3 & Out - Chiefs stay UNDEFEATED, Penthouse or Outhouse, Raiders are a mess - The Colin Cowherd Podcast

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What is going on? Everybody Happy Tuesday? Heard a little
some sums going on today, But we're gonna talk a
little football because it's actually Monday night when I'm recording this,
and I just watched the Kansae Chiefs win again. Thought
they had won it in regulation. Baker Mayfield drives them
for the game tying touchdown. Todd Bowles, We'll dive into

(02:24):
it all for some reason, doesn't go for two. The
Chiefs scoring overtime and remain undefeated as the only undefeated
team currently in the NFL and have a nice little
cushion in the AFC for the number one seed, and yeah,
who would have saw that coming? The Chiefs. Just it's
got to be an incredible time to be a Chiefs fan.
Other than that, what a game by Baker Mayfield, Liam

(02:47):
Cohen missing players that they were awesome. I mean the
quarterback play tonight was and the coaching in that environment,
in that weather, what was really fantastic, very very enjoyable
to watch the second half of that game. Got to
do a little outhouse and penthouse. And you know, we
have a new addition because the Porta Potty Panthers won

(03:09):
a game. So if you get beat by the Porta
Potty Panthers, I mean, what does that make the Saints
who then fire their coach this morning and the Raiders
who fired it felt like half their staff, so you're
one of their head coach, But hey, master the Raiders. Obviously,

(03:30):
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It doesn't get any better than this. This is the pinnacle,
the peak of being a sports fan. This is what
it had to feel like living in Chicago in the
early and late nineties watching Jordan. If you lived in

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New York in the late nineties early two thousands with
the Yankees, I saw it when I lived in the
Bay Area, when Kevin Durant showed up, and even the
couple of years before, you just never thought the Warriors
were gonna lose ever, And that's what it feels like
watching the Chiefs. You're like, Yeah, their offense just isn't
that good. They're relying on Kareem Hunt, who they had

(05:39):
to sign off the street because they're starting running back
broke his leg. You're like, God, he doesn't look that good.
And as the game starts going, You're like, God, he
actually kind of looks good. You're like, oh, Travis Kelsey's
kind of old doesn't quite move the same, only runs
these five and six yard routes, and then as the
game goes on, he just consistently catches those routes. DeAndre
Hopkins classic that drive. Honestly, I thought the game was

(06:03):
over with you know, about a little under thirteen minutes.
The Chiefs get the ball. It is seventeen to seventeen.
They have a fifteen play eight and a half minute drive,
then went seventy five plus to score the touchdown. When
you know, Mahomes lobs it to p Ryan and I

(06:25):
guess that was earlier in the game. That's when he
hit Hopkins and he had already gotten hurt. But then
he was fine and came back a little scared, but
obviously everything was alright. He played the rest of the game.
But he hits Hopkins for a second touchdown of the game,
and you're like, what an incredible championship drive. Like they
got it all, even though they don't because their stud

(06:45):
running back has a broken leg and is out still
another month. Their best wide receiver is on injured reserve,
and they're relying on as you saw earlier in the game, Worthy,
who is a very talented player, a little raw I
mean Mahomes hit him down the sideline, couldn't get both
and bounds a little embarrassing. Kelsey, I think it is
fair to say. I do think he will show up
for the playoffs. He's not what he once was. And

(07:09):
then Hopkins, who probably runs a five zho forty, was
fantastic tonight. I mean that trade the night was like
an organizational move. It's like, yeah, we made this move
early for a reason. This guy's gonna help us out.
And obviously they don't win the game without him and Mahomes,
Kareem Hunt, DeAndre Hopkins, Kelsey, they drive him right down
the field and score a touchdown. I thought the game

(07:30):
was over. And then the Bucks get the ball back.
They go three and out. Then the Chiefs get the
ball back, they go three and out. They're like this
is nuts. Then the Bucks get the ball back again
with a little bit under two minutes and twenty seconds.
You're like, there's no way. And then Baker Mayfield, who listen,
there are not I don't know, is he's a top

(07:54):
ten quarterback like I obviously he I wouldn't say he's
a top five guy. With Lamar Allen Stafford, Mahomes Herbert
like those guys would all get drafted before he did.
But I think when you start talking obviously Jared Goff
this season, like there aren't many quarterbacks playing as well

(08:15):
as this guy, and tonight a lot like Mahomes, he
ain't really playing with a full deck. His best receiver
has messed up hamstring, his second best wide receiver, who
was having an elite contract year, shattered his ankle, and
he's thrown to Sterling Shepherd and Kate Otten who is

(08:35):
a good player, and his running backs. At one point
in time, when the Bucks took the lead in this
game fourteen to ten, they showed a graphic His wide
receivers had two catches, his running backs had four, and
his tight ends all being o had five. So like,
what a night from Baker Mayfield and his offensive coordinator
because they had no business given their injuries, you know,

(08:57):
on paper, competing in this game. But this is what
makes Monday Night football so fun is that you get
these fun games because regardless of what your record is.
And now the Bucks have lost four out of five games.
This is a kitchen sink game for them. They know
you're playing on primetime, you're playing on national television against

(09:17):
the two time defending champs, Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes, and
you give it all you got, and their quarterback, I thought,
for the most part, was flawless, and Mahomes was excellent too.
Both those guys, like what a high level quarterback game
in a driving rainstorm when clearly it was very difficult
to keep your feet. Obviously, that's why Mahomes is an

(09:38):
all time great, and why Baker Mayfield has reestablished himself
or just established himself, because you would say he never
really was as a top ten quarterback in the NFL,
and honestly, this year is closer to five than he
is ten. He has been fantastic. But I think if
you wanted to nitpick the Bucks, they drive that Liam

(09:59):
Cohens play calling the night because his wide receivers are
so limited, getting rid of the ball fast, running a
bunch of quick outs, getting the ball to the running
backs in the flat, hoping they can make plays. And
they did pretty consistently, even if it's just gaining five
or six yards, not having Baker hold it too long,
especially in a rainstorm, and they drive that the play
call to get the game tying touchdown was just fantastic.

(10:22):
Akman crushing Todd Bowles for calling the time out, you know,
heat of the moment. If you don't have another play call,
you're coming a long way. I think it's easy to
be sitting there and saying it. I do think kind
of a tough spot, but regardless, it worked out fine.
I think if you do want to nitpick him, it's like, listen,
you've already lost to Tampa or excuse me, Atlanta twice.

(10:45):
It is gonna be. You're playing the Chiefs now and
you got the forty nine ers in six days. You
probably just want to put all your cards in the
middle of the table. You just ran two plays that
could have scored. I mean, if Aughton holds onto the ball,
that's touchdown. The very next play, easy touchdown. Clearly your
two point plays and essentially what you're running are pretty good.

(11:06):
Like Liam Cohen, think about all the negativity, Let's just
use a guy, Shane Waldron. Everyone thinks he's the village idiot. Rightfully.
So the Raiders couldn't get rid of their offensive coordinator,
who ironically had come from Chicago, Lukeagetzi fast enough. They
fired him. The quarterback coach, the offensive line coach, it's clear.
You watch some offensive coordinators, regardless of quarterback, you're like,

(11:28):
they have no fuel for play calling. Like, regardless of
how talented the guys you have running your offense, you
can feel if they have like a just an innate
ability and a rhythm to their play calling. And if
you've watched Liam Cohen all season long, he has been awesome.
And if you want to argue, it's one thing to

(11:48):
do with Mike Evans and Chris Godwin, Like, Okay, he's
got a full deck. How about you take those two
guys away and you go to toe to toe with
a big time defense, a championship defense, on the road
in a rainstorm, and him and Baker answered the bell,
So I think, like, what do you gotta lose? Why
not just go for it there? Because basically, when you

(12:11):
kick the field goal, which let's face it now with
the uh how the extra point whatever, thirty five plus yards,
it's not a gimme in the rain. And even Aikman,
as he said, I would have gone for two. You
start thinking like, is he gonna slip and miss this?
And then you give them a chance. They had twenty
seven seconds now. Ultimately they ended up punting, but you're
basically just taking a fifty to fifty coin flip, right,

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And I'm against always going for two as some of
these teams do. Like I'm cool with kicking field goals
and just throwing up one point when we score touchdowns.
I think that's a spot that you gotta go for,
especially with how well your quarterback's playing. Go for the
jugular right there, and he didn't and ultimately a cost

(12:56):
him because you give the ball back to you know,
the mid nineties or the late nineties Yankees like they're
gonna win because they always win. I was just looking
at the uh, you know, the conference standings, and it's
like you watch the Bills and you're like, God, this
offense is awesome. How good is Josh playing? You watch

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the Ravens when they're on they're just scoring forty with ease.
And then he watched the Chiefs.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
It's like, you know, halfway through the fourth quarter, like,
are they gonna be able to punch this in to
get over you know, to get from seventeen to twenty four?

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Like it is a difficult proposition for them to move
the ball. They are not an explosive offense, and yet
they're undefeated, and they have a clear cushion over teams
like the Ravens and the Bills, who are clearly Super
Bowl contenders, and the Chiefs are just chugging along so
very entertaining game. It's just you just can't beat this team.

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I mean, you really can't. They just find a way. Obviously,
the big scare when Mahomes fell a little funny on
his ankle or hit pointer or something going on. I
had to be carried for like half the way and
then he started walking. Obviously, you know, Carson Wentz starts
warming up your kind of hard drops. You're like, no,
please be okay. And obviously he shook it off and
everything was all right. But I thought both those two

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quarterbacks just gutty performances that that is not easy. I mean,
that was a Chief defense that a couple of weeks
ago made Kyle Shanahan a brock purty look like scrubs,
thoroughly embarrass them. And for Liam Cohen, you know, we
talk a lot about people interviewing and people love throwing
around names, and obviously that you know, after two weeks
it was it was Koubiak's kid in New Orleans. Well,

(14:35):
that train fell off the tracks. Slow X offense has
been having a lot of issues. I don't care what
their record ends up being. If you just watch the
Bucks play offense, like if you watch the Chiefs play offense,
the Bucks play offense like, those are just two well
run operations given what they have. Like I defend the Chiefs, like,
why is their offense not more explosive? I don't know.

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They have a thirty six year old jet center at
tight end. They have a young kid Worthy who clearly
swim in a little bit. They have Kareem Hunt, who
was on the street. I mean, what do you expect
the ninety nine rams like that? That's not gonna happen here.
So its same thing with the Bucks. So for both
those two teams in a rainstorm, how many offensive coordinators

(15:18):
in the league, given the personnel of those two teams,
would have been able to get around twenty four to
twenty five points at the end of regulation in that environment.
I don't know if many could. So very very impressive night.
From a coaching standpoint, it's funny you watch there's so
many shitty teams in the league right now, and you
watch so many poorly coached operations, and then you like,

(15:42):
if I'm a Bucks fan, I'm holding my head high,
like this team this year, if it wasn't for some injuries,
we are right there. We are a playoff team. I
feel pretty confident about that, obviously, not now that they're
gonna probably end up being seven or eight wins. And God,
given their injuries, how many guys have missed games who
are missing them now and miss games earlier. It's coaching now.

(16:05):
If you want to like Todd, you gotta be a
little more aggressive. And I think there's a balance of
like Sirianni's reckless nature and just like now's the time,
Like now's the time to pounce, now's the time to
put your chips in the middle of the table, now's
the time to take a big swing. And it's just
clearly not really in his nature. And ultimately, I think

(16:28):
it's a big reason that they didn't win. And now
they've got the forty nine ers in six days, who
are going to bring in Christian McCaffrey and you're really
leaking oil and it kind of could fall apart here.
But I was really impressed with just the Bucks effort
and moxie and just no quit because I think some
teams might have folded, especially after Mahomes drove them, because

(16:51):
Andy and Mahomes and that defense who actually you know,
gave it up at the end. They just they're tough. Man.
You can't. It's really pretty crazy. I mean, I can't
imagine being a Chiefs fan like my age. Most of
your life, even the good teams never did shit in
the playoffs, and then you guys just had some horrendous teams.

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And now for basically the last five or six years,
it feels like you're unbeatable. Obviously, you haven't won it.
Every year, you've lost in a Super Bowl, you've lost
an AFC Championship game, but like the Patriots for twenty years,
it honestly feels like you guys never lose. And this
feeling it doesn't get any better as a sports fan,
it doesn't get any more enjoyable. You have, over the

(17:35):
course of the last six years, won it in every
conceivable way, tight games, blowouts, come from behind, guys injured
coming back from injury in a game. It's just it's
been remarkable to watch. There are so many parallels with
those kind of Patriot dynasty and just the mental toughness,

(17:56):
finding ways to win in games where you just don't
have it. Guys get injured and next guy comes up.
You're like, who you playing with? And the Hopkins trade,
I mean, that's you to talk about speaking about being aggressive,
Todd Bowl's not aggressive. Well, the Chiefs for aggressive a
couple of years weeks ago and traded for this guy.
And a couple of weeks later, he's catching nine or

(18:16):
ten balls, a couple of touchdowns and just making huge
play after huge play. And he's probably as fast as
me or you, and it does not matter because his
contested catches are elite. He's still a pretty good route runner,
and he's excellent in the short and intermediate game. And
now Mahomes is gonna have more and more trust with him.
Just throw the ball his way and most of the
time if he's looking at you, it's not a fifty

(18:39):
to fifty ball, it's like an eighty twenty ball him.
So we'll see if the Chiefs are inclined to do
anything more tomorrow. You know, there were some rumors on
the interweb about Latimore the corner from from the Saints, like, listen,
you can never have enough DB's and defenders I mean,

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if they were to do something like that, I would
imagine they'll still sniff around some offensive weapons, but maybe
they feel like you get Pachaco back, you let hopkins
Worthy keeps growing that if our defense is good enough,
we'll just smother you, as we did last season and
was a big reason that we were the super Bowl champs.
So Chiefs got eight to zero and the Bucks, you know,

(19:21):
lose their fourth game in the last five and now
face the forty nine ers who are coming off a buye.
So this this season could kind of get away from
them fast, even though it's not an embarrassment what happened
to them, right, we'll get into an embarrassment that happened
to a team in their division. But fun game. That
game got more entertaining as it went on. Let's do

(19:44):
a quick penthouse and outhouse because the outhouse is the
most fun part. I mean the penthouse. Chiefs are on scholarship,
they ain't moving, they were not going to leave tonight
even if they had lost that game. They're just this
team doesn't even fe good as the last couple of years,
and it's not inconceivable that they go what fifteen and

(20:06):
two is sixteen and one on the table. I'd be
stunned if they went undefeated, but someone's gotta beat them.
They just find ways. I would if I was a
betting man right now, I'd say fifteen to two, which
is a problem because the Bills are gonna lose another
game and they already have two losses in the Ravens

(20:28):
because they blew that game against the Ravens and lost
to Jamis Winston already got three losses. So you got
got a pretty comfortable lead because these other teams fucked
up early in the season. That like, listen, you watch
the Ravens when their offense is on, it's incredible. You
watch how well Josh Allen has played this year, and
honestly their defense, and I feel like this is a

(20:49):
pretty good muscle flexier for Sean McDermott. He takes a
lot of shit. He's made some mistakes in some big moments.
No one can dispute that. But we try to promote
a and hold up high. So many coaches in the NFL,
Sean McDermott runs circles around what eighty five percent of them.
I mean, it's just gonna be another thirteen win season
for the guy. And second or third seed and have

(21:11):
a pretty good chance. He's gonna be favored in playoff games.
And it's just like can he beat the Chiefs. It's like, yeah,
certain people just couldn't beat Michael Jordan. I trust me.
I lost a lot of people lose to Tiger Woods
pretty sure. Not many people beat Tom Brady and if
you did, you immediately became a legend. So they're beating
everybody else, and it's really just gonna come down for

(21:32):
the Ravens and the Bills, like can you take him
out in this team in that organization, which it feels
like they are more susceptible this year. But I fell
for it last year and I got burned financially. That
says a lot of people did. And this year, even
if I'm like I don't trust him enough, I'm definitely

(21:52):
not betting against him. Might just be a stayaway. But
I think those three teams and we'll see what the
Steelers coming off the by play the Commanders this week,
that their record's gonna be really good and can they
win the division? Is this Russ thing a little smoke
and mirrors or is this sustainable? But you got TJ.
Watt I mean, a big reason last year that they

(22:13):
blimped into the playoffs because the guy got hurt and
he missed a lot of games. If he plays seventeen
games and he's healthy, he basically is their quarterback. He's
by far their best player, and he's one of the
most impactful players in the league. And you have a
guy like that. If Russ can just play solid in
these playoff games, if he can just wreck shop and

(22:34):
ruin whoever he's playing like, they would have a chance.
Not because of Russ, but because of TJ. Watt, which
is the type guy you want. I mean Chris Jones
that basically won the Chiefs the Super Bowl last year
in the biggest moment, he was the guy that shoved
Purty on the ground when Iyuk was wide open. And
to me, in the NFC, there's only one team that

(22:55):
deserves it right now. It's Alliance. I mean, there are
other teams that have a shot, but like Minnesota is
struggling to beat Joe Flacco. The Packers just got punked.
The Rams are coming. They're foreign four. The Niners are
foreign four. I mean the Cardinals. Actually, when you look
at their losses. Someone sent me this stat like the
teams they've lost to are combined like twenty seven and eight.

(23:18):
I mean, they have lost to excellent teams this season,
but I just I can't put them in that category. Atlanta, Like,
I'm sorry, You're just I'm not taking you that seriously.
You're gonna be a playoff team. I probably plan on
betting against you in the first round. We'll have to
wait for the matchup, but I think I can already

(23:40):
see it from coming from a mile away, Like that's
a good underdog spot for the Green Bay Packers, the
Minnesota Vikings if that's the Rams, or the forty nine
ers like Hammer time. So yeah, I mean, this is
the AFC's best teams, feel like better than the NFC's
best teams, which basically just feels like the Lions. And

(24:01):
then there's a huge group of other teams and we'll
see how it plays out over the next three or
four weeks, but I think it's fair to say that
the Lions have really kind of established themselves, you know,
alone with those other AFC teams the outhouse listen, a
lot of you guys like the Porta Potti Panthers, and
they deserved it. I mean, they had looked like an
expansion team. But when you are the Porta Potty Panthers

(24:24):
and your quarterback, who most people view as just a
major bust and not a very good player, leads essentially
a game winning drive against the Saints and then less
than what twelve fifteen hours after, they fired Dennis Allen.
In the nicest way possible, they're like, we love the guy,

(24:46):
we love the family. He'll always be a saint, but
pack up your shit and get out here. You're an
embarrassment and rightfully so. And now they you know, the
thing going viral about the quarterbacks with the most losses,
it's basically just David Carr and Derek Carr. You know,
after year five, after your six, after your seven, no

(25:06):
one has more losses after year eleven than Derek Carr.
He has literally got Dennis Allen. He's been the starting
quarterback for Dennis Allen being fired twice, first time in
NFL history. Obviously a bunch of injuries. But you lose
to the Porta Potty Panthers, you have to fall under
that category two. And to me, that vault you in
a category like I watched a little bit on one

(25:30):
of the four boxes of the Titans, and Drake may like,
I just they don't have a lot going for them,
but I take them more seriously than a team that
just loses at Carolina as a massive favorite, Like I
can't even put them in the outhouse. You could argue,
once you lose to the porta potty Panthers, you go

(25:51):
into your own own category, like you're basically like the
shit at the bottom of the porta potty that is
the Saints. They've lost seven straight games. Listen, we can
make fun of the Giants all we want. They're terrible
and they are going nowhere fast. But listen, their scores
might not totally reflect the game you watch, but you're like, hey,

(26:14):
they're just they're fighting along. They're just not very good.
No one thought that they were gonna beat the Commanders,
I would say everyone, especially when Derek plays. You're like, listen,
the Panthers are loosing this game. And then you look
up and Derek's looking over at Alvin Kamara and the
Panthers have the ball back and they're just kneeling it.
You're like, wait, are the Panthers about to win this

(26:34):
game and have the same amount of wins as the Giants?
As the Saints, as the Titans, as the Patriots. You're like, no, no,
They're like, yeah, so I for this week's out house,
I gotta put one NFC. I'm putting the Saints over
the Panthers as being that shitty. And then the other

(26:56):
team who fires three coaches? Who fires in right after Halloween?
Three coaches on the offensive side of the ball with
a first year head coach. It is crazy. And here's
the irony here. How connected they are? Dennis Allen, Derek
Carr former Raiders now in the Saints. Everyone's getting fired.

(27:18):
Who's interconnected here? It's like, how can you as someone
send me a textasda a former NFL players? Like who
cleans house like this in the middle of the season.
What is this gonna do? It's not like you have
some top twelve quarterback who's underachieving. Your quarterbacks are eight
and O'Connell, who ninety nine percent of sports fans couldn't

(27:38):
point out of a lineup. And Gardner Minshew, who is
the ultimate backup quarterback, and if you put him on
a good team and he has a right coach, he
could be kind of competitive like every other game. If
you put him on an awful team with bad coaching.
You are fucked. I mean you should bet against that
team every single week. Angles are in shambles, in absolute shambles.

(28:02):
And you looked up and Joe Burrow's like, ooh whoop, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown.
It's like the Raiders. It is crazy. Listen, years change, presidents,
change weather changes one thing never one thing never changes,
always stays the same. Is the Raiders suck? It is insane.

(28:24):
How crappy this franchise is. Okay, this was a game
that has been circled on the calendar the last several
years because it's usually had huge playoff implications. It's had
huge implications for the division and for home field. But

(28:49):
now the Cowboys s think and the Eagles are basically
battling the Commanders and they are currently a massive favorite
on the road in Dallas. Obviously, Dak Prescott injured his
handstring out. You have Ceedee Lamb hurt his shoulder week
to week. Who knows if he's gonna play before we

(29:09):
get into the Cowboys watching the Eagles. And this is
why I picked him to start the year. I don't
think we can. I think people underestimated how much talent
is on that team. I also think people underestimated how
good Saquon Barkley is if he's healthy. He is such
a difference making player. He is just the total package

(29:31):
as a runner. Can run inside, can break tackles, can
go off tackle, can go outside, runs, sweeps pitches, you
get him in space. He's got elite speed. Obviously the
play that went viral doing the three sixty the backwards
hurdle like he's an all time athlete and he's got
elite speed and power like this guy is a game

(29:52):
changing player to go with DeVante Smith, who's a no
doubt about it contract extension guy. The Eagles already that
and aj Brown went healthy, which you know he's battles
some injuries. Is easily one of the best wide receivers
in the league. They have a good offensive line, they have,
you know, a quarterback who's playing at a high level

(30:13):
and when he's proven, when he runs like he's a
very very effective player. And they got Vig Fangio on
defense with a ton of talented players. Linebacker can be
a little bit of a question mark, but a lot
of young defensive linemen that this team is oozing with talent.
Now their coach is like a drunk dude at a
blackjack table hitting on seventeen and eighteen. It is a

(30:35):
wild ride, it really is, you know, going forward on
fourth and shorts going for it on two pointers instead
of just kicking the field goals. He's very entertaining, he
really is. And that game, you know against the Jags
little freakish. It was close. They're up twenty two to nothing.
The Jags score like the next player or two. Saquon

(30:58):
does you know a fumble where he just falls on
the ground by himself, ball hits the ground, You're not
technically down because no one hits you. Jacks pick it
up and return it for a touchdown. So and then listen,
the Jags got two two pointers, so it was twenty
two to sixteen. You're like, WHOA. I started thinking, if
Sirianni blows this to Doug Peterson, Joe l Embiid is

(31:20):
completely off the hook. But he didn't. He handled it.
Nikobe Dean made a great pick on an awful play
by one of the most overrated players in like the
history of America and Trevor Lawrence. But listen, the Eagles,
like this team is gonna win twelve for thirteen games
on talent alone. Now do we trust him when they
get to the playoffs. With Sirianni just kind of reckless nature,

(31:41):
you never quite know what's gonna happen. It's gonna be
a wild ride, must watch television, big win for the Eagles,
But they go into Dallas and all signs pointing to
them kicking the shit out of them. I actually think
if you're a Cowboy fan, this is a good thing.
Cause listen, it was clear early on, yeah, probably not
a playoff team. Now it's kind of clear you're headed

(32:03):
for a disastrous season. Let's use the Chargers last year
as an example. Their season fell off the rails. It
ended up twofold. I mean two things happened. Right, landed
Jim Harbaugh and landed top picks in every round. Well,
they found their starting right tackle who's a stud in
Joe Alt because they drafted fifth. Then they also drafted

(32:26):
high in the second round, and they got Lad McConkey,
who's gonna be a high end player in the NFL
for a long time. And they got other guys in
the draft. Obviously, they really like when you have an
awful season and you're not gonna make the playoffs. You
are much better off going six and eleven and drafting
eighth then going eight to nine in drafting fifteenth, because

(32:51):
it's not just about the first round, it's literally about
every round. So in the second round you are drafting
thirty ninth or forty first. How often do we see
guys at the top of the second round become impact
All Pro players. So clearly the Cowboys are going to
have a new coach. Mike McCarthy's not going to be extended.

(33:14):
They're going to blow it all up, rightfully, so, but
this job, to me becomes way more desirable. Obviously, Jerry's
a wild card, not an easy environment to work in,
and they have a ton of high priced players right
Dak's making two hundred CDs, make it over one hundred.
Parson has to get paid this offseason. They have three

(33:35):
guys they're invested in that make as much money as
any other team's three guys. It's a boatload of cash
they have invested in this guys. You got to hit
on draft picks. I think they've drafted pretty well over
the last couple of years, but now gives you an
opportunity to draft premium players because it is hard to
draft at twenty five right, because it's not just twenty

(33:56):
five on Thursday night in round one. Twenty fifth in
the second round is twenty fifth in the third round.
You're just picking at the end of the rounds for
all seven rounds. Now, obviously you can manipulate it and
trade up, but like, look at the Chargers. The Chargers
have a long way to go, and we'll get into
them in a minute, but like, the easiest way to

(34:17):
just get the train back on the tracks is to
utilize Once you get a new coach, a new administration
that you feel comfortable knows what they're doing. Now, part
of Jerry's job this offseason gonna be to land his
gym Harbaugh. Is that Bill Belichick? Is that Mike Frable,
I don't know. But if they get the coach right,

(34:37):
you can really take advantage of a draft after a
bad season. Because the Cowboys for three straight years have
been drafting twelve or excuse me, I mean, have been
winning twelve games. They haven't been sniffing, drafting in the
top ten of the rounds. And now, like this season
clearly is gonna suck, the rest of the year is
gonna be rough. It is could get uglier. As Dak said,

(35:01):
we bleep and suck, and he's not wrong. They do.
They're a tough watch. So the silver lining is the draft,
and you want to be as crappy the rest of
the season as possible. I don't think, you know, winning
one or two more games the rest of season, that
is not the worst thing. Speaking of chaotic franchises, it

(35:27):
was last year at this time that the Raiders, and
rightfully so, fired Josh McDaniels, who, like his previous stop
in Denver, had become the first head coach in NFL
history to not make it past year two in either
spot of his head coaching tenures. Obviously, they fired the
general manager as well. Well, then they go all in

(35:49):
on Antonio Pierce and he gets the pick of the litter,
like you get to hire any staff you want. And
he hires some guys lou Getzi, which everyone's like, are
we sure luke Getzy's any good? The iires Rich Skangarello,
who is kind of a laughingstock within NFL circles, and
he also hires the assistant offensive line coach from the
forty nine Ers. Well, last night some people text me,

(36:11):
I'm trying to fall asleep at like eleven twelve o'clock,
and it's sometimes hard after football nights, you gotta kind
of come down. I'm just laying there, wide awake, but
I don't want to look at my phone because I
remember these Chip Kelly talked about he brought in these
Navy seal guys that like, when you put the phone
close to your eyes late at night, you trigger something
in your brain. You're just making it worse trying to

(36:31):
fall asleep. So I try to be careful with that
phone in my eyes when I'm laying in bed, like
past like ten thirty eleven o'clock. So people are texting
me about the Raiders firing somebody, and I'm not really
paying attention. And when I get up this morning, I
realized they didn't just fire their offensive coordinator, they fired
three people. It really is kind of sad how bad

(36:54):
Mark Davis has been because i'mlike Dan Snyder, which by
all accounts was like legitimately a bad people hated working
there and it was just an embarrassment. I do think
Mark's heart is in the right place. He is really
trying to do the right thing right. He goes from Gruden,
who gets fired midseason that was out of his control.

(37:14):
Then he gets an offseason, he goes, listen, we have
the special teams coach that everyone likes of the interim,
but I got the opportunity to hire Josh mc daniels
and his general manager from Belichick. I think this is
worth the risk. Blows up in his face. Then he
kind of goes back to I should have hired the
interim coach. You got players on your team telling you
to hire Antonio Piers. He does. Then Cliff Kingsbury won't

(37:39):
take the job because your organization is a little cheap.
You'll only offer him two year contract. Washington's like, we'll
give you three, partly because you don't fully trust Antonio
Piers and you don't want to be obligated for more
years if you got to end up firing everybody, which
in a weird way, was the right call by the
Raiders and also the right call by Cliff. Go their
separate ways. Clearly he's going to change Cliff's life being

(38:02):
in Washington. Coach and Jane Daniels. The Raiders just blow
everyone out who I don't think would have been hired
as coordinators anywhere, and now you just have this chaotic
hamster wheel that never ends. And the Raiders were able
to be much more ruthless in this modern day situation
of the franchise because the media deals worth more, they

(38:23):
have more money. Vegas is worth dramatically more than the
disastrous Oakland situation. He just has money to pay guys.
A couple million dollars, a couple of million dollars pay
guys to go away, because even if they only gave
this offensive coordinator a two year deal, like he's probably
making one and a half million dollars a year, So
Mark Davis is probably paying him over two million just

(38:44):
to not work. Talking about the American Dream. One time,
I've been paid to go away and it was I
don't remember. Maybe it was ten grand, maybe it was
twenty grand. It felt like at the time a lot
of money. I can't imagine being paid over seven figures
to not work. It's like, wait, I'm really rich, and

(39:05):
I don't have you telling me not to come into
the job. You would be surprised how often I talk
to people around the NFL that say, person X, who's
a general manager, who's a coach, who's an assistant coach.
His fingers are crossed that they fire him. He would
die to be paid to leave this situation. He is miserable.

(39:31):
They're humans too, and you get put in these positions
where you're stuck. Listen, I'm not crying for these guys.
They are making a boatload of money. We're talking about
one percenters. Life is good. It's like, what about their children, Well, yeah, okay,
maybe they off the move. They're still going to private
school and they can still get, you know, a eighty
thousand dollars car for him on their sixteenth birthday. So

(39:54):
like their problems are first class problems. Plus they chose
this profession. Part of coaching is moving. I don't feel
sorry for you there, pick another job if you don't
want to move around. It's part of the gig. That's
why it pays a premium. But I just feel like
the Raiders are just so poorly run and this is
never gonna end. And this is not a Dan Snyder

(40:17):
situation where it's just like he's just a bad guy.
Everyone likes Mark. He is literally trying to win, but
it's just not gonna work with him as the owner.
Like we have enough evidence now it's the same shit
every year. It literally never ends. They fire coaches in
the middle of the season more than any franchise. It

(40:40):
really is nuts. It's always a coordinator here, an offensive
coordinator here, a defensive coordinator there, a head coach there,
a head coach there. It never ends. Everyone made fun
of Al Davis at the end of his life, right
he was going through a coach here, coach there, firing
people on stop. This is the same situation, just at
a higher level because they have more and they have

(41:01):
some good players on the team. Get rid of DeVante.
Now you got Max Crosby. The owner says, we won't
trade Max Crosby. You're going nowhere, and you're going nowhere fast.
Your team is a joke. And to me like this
is I just think we have enough evidence as long
as the Davis family owns this team, this is never
going to change. It really is not, because I think

(41:25):
we can already see the light at the end of
the tunnel. In this situation, is Antonio Pierce so one
and done. It's clearly on the table. How could you
argue otherwise like he is, he's safe. In what world
would a guy that fires three coaches? November one, essentially

(41:47):
his first year is the full time head coach safe.
In any other situation, a coach that blows guys like
this out in the middle of the season, you'd be like, well,
his job is next. And this is the thing, Like,
would anyone be shocked if the day after the season
Antonio Pierce has fired, Tom tellesco is fired. It never ends.

(42:12):
And I feel for Raider fans because in a league
where every team it feels like, has moments, they just
never do. They not only never win, they always suck.
They don't even They're at the point now where the
majority of their games you don't need to watch. They

(42:33):
are completely irrelevant. And I hear all these people say
this all the time, these older people around the NFL,
the league is better when the Raiders are good. And
the answer is that's just not true, because for the
last twenty plus years, the league has never ever been
more popular and made more money, and the Raiders for

(42:55):
the last fifty years have never been more irrelevant to
the landscape of winning and losing because they always lose.
And now they're in a division with Andy Reid and
Patrick Mahomes. Who is I don't know easily if Belichick
and Brady because they got six or one A. They
gotta be one B in my lifetime. You got Jim Harbaugh,

(43:18):
who are about to dive into is just a winning machine.
And Sean Payton and Bo Nicks like you can just
see the trajectory of the franchise. They are dramatically better
than they were last year, and next year I would
imagine they'll be dramatically better than they were this year
as they get more and more money once they get
rid of that Russell Wilson cap space. I just feel

(43:42):
sorry for this fan base because what are you supposed
to do? I mean, you're just stuck and you just
know the outcome and you try to sell yourself in
the off season maybe this is the year, maybe we
can compete, And then it's not even Halloween. You're like, yeah,
we just suck again. How does this happen? I don't know.

(44:02):
Speaking of the Chargers, and listen, part of football is
most of these owners, the difference of them all is
you just hire the right guy or you don't. And
there is an element of luck and randomness in all this. Right,
the Chargers have been the better version of the Raiders
for the last twenty years. But they are synonymous with

(44:25):
that franchise because they also have just found ways to
lose on a higher level, and they have made the
playoffs more consistently, and they have had better teams. But
like the Raiders, it was always easy to make fun
of them because they always went cheap on the coach.
You're like, how is this team not better than it is?
It's like, well, they have the second lowest paid coach

(44:47):
in the league. That's what I've always given credit to
Mark Davis. He has really tried when he does not
have the money to I mean now he does, but
at the time when he hired Gruden, it was a
really aggressive move. They hadn't moved yet, he didn't have
the influx of cash. He said, I give the guy
a hundred million dollars. Then a couple of years later,
I'll give Josh McDaniels eighty million dollars. It blew up

(45:10):
in his face. But I give you credit for being aggressive,
because you know, if you get that guy right, it
changes the landscape where you're heading. Dean Spanos has always
been the opposite. It's like, we could give me Mike
McCoy for two million dollars, give me Brandon Staley for
four million dollars, give me Anthony Lynn for three and
a half million dollars. It's like, Dean, this isn't that complicated.

(45:32):
Why your team is underachieving because you need a coach
that is worth three or four x what you're paying
this guy. And this offseason, the heavens aligned. Jim Harbaugh
wanted out because the NCAA was coming after his ass
but I got an asking price. I cost sixteen million
dollars a year, and the coaches I'm bringing with me,

(45:55):
Zach Minter, my defensive coordinator, he ain't cheap either. He
probably he makes close to what Anthony Lynn and Mike
McCoy were making. Maybe Brandon Staley made a little more
than him, But my guess is he makes two and
a half three million dollars and Jim's well over fifteen.
And guess what happens in Jim Harbaugh's last three stops

(46:17):
the San Francisco forty nine ers in twenty ten or
six and ten his first year in twenty eleven, they
were thirteen and three. This is why I told everybody
I don't give a shit what their roster looks like.
I don't care how limited. Their wide receivers are. I
don't care. How bad do you think their depth is?
This fucking guy does one thing, and one thing only.

(46:40):
He wins everywhere he goes, and the first thing he
does is turn that thing around immediately. I'm not saying
he's gonna win the Super Bowl year one. I wasn't
say he was gonna win the National Championship year one.
But he ain't gonna lose his first year at Michigan.
Remember in twenty fourteen, his last year with the forty
nine Ers, the Mission and Wolverines went five and seven.

(47:04):
Harbaugh's first year, they went ten and three. Last year
the Chargers, I think we even forget this because this
ten months removed, they went five and twelve. Five and twelve.
They drafted last year ahead of the New York Giants.
Think about that, How shitty we view the New York Giants,
How bad they have been. The Chargers drafted ahead of

(47:26):
the New York Giants. The Chargers drafted ahead of the
Tennessee Titans. Think think how many bad teams the Chargers
drafted ahead of last year? They were that bad five
and twelve. Jim Harbaud November fourth, currently has five wins.
His records for the last three spots were sixteen and

(47:47):
twenty nine. He's out even halfway through this season, he's
twenty eight and nine, and I would imagine five. I
mean he's at minimum winning five more games. Bet he
gets to eleven, so you're talking six, he's gonna have
thirty four wins. That is almost in three spots year one,

(48:07):
almost a twenty win difference. Assuming he gets to eleven wins.
Who knows to me, I go to twelve. Look at
a schedule. It's crazy. How good this guy is. It
really is. And yeah, he's a weirdo, and yeah he
talks sometimes all over the map, and he's just a
different cat. He's a borderline nut job. But he is

(48:28):
a football savant and whatever the hell he does, and
I've heard this forever, well he doesn't call the plays.
He's got of a meat heead. You can give me
any fucking excuse you want about the guy. All I
know is his resume speaks for itself. In this industry
more than any other, you can quantify a guy is
a good or bad based on one thing. What's his

(48:50):
win loss record? And everywhere this guy goes that loss
to win ratio is always like you're losing way more
than you're winning. And then you get Jim and that
pendulum immediately flips, and all of a sudden, within a
couple of years, you're competing for Super Bowls, you're competing
for national championships. And once he got that monkey off

(49:12):
his back, which was a really big deal because I listen,
if you wanted to be critical, he could never win
the big one, like history was on your side up
until twenty twenty three, and the moment he beat Nick
Saban in the Rose Bowl, it was on like Donkey Kong.
Clearly he matched up really well against Washington and de
Boor kicked his ass. National champs. If they do a

(49:34):
good enough job building this thing. They're not good enough
this year, they might not even be good enough next year.
But within a couple of years. He currently has Justin Herbert,
who last year everyone's like, what the hell's going on
with Justin Herbert? Stop comparing him to mahomes Lamar and
Josh Allen. He's over sixty five percent with receivers that

(49:56):
are meh at best. He has ten touchdowns in one interception,
and I don't think the numbers do him Justice. When
you watch him play, you go, yeah, there's a big four.
There's Mahomes, Lamar Allen. There's basically one, one B in
one C and then there's two because this guy's that good.

(50:18):
And I told Colin you could throw Matt Stafford in
there as well. That would probably be the top five
as we sit here today, just in terms of physical
gifts and everything. Obviously, Jared Goff's having an incredible season,
but we all acknowledge, like Jared Geff doesn't have these
guys physical gifts. Herbert at any moment can run thirty
yards right, and obviously he can throw it a mile long,
so can the other guys. Lamar probably has the worst

(50:41):
arm out of the group, but he's by far the
best athlete, and he's become so accurate. And I'm not
saying his arms bad, but relative to like Josh Allen, Justin, Herbert,
Matt Stafford, it's not quite that, even though it's really good. Obviously,
Jared Goff, like I just I don't put him in
that category, even though he's having an elite season. And
I just think Jim Bak andngrats Man because you are

(51:02):
a certified ass kicker, Okay, a couple of NFL notes
Christian McCaffrey and listen, I'm recording this basically twenty four
hours before the trade deadline, so we'll see what happens.
But if this guy is healthy by far, unless Miles
garrettor Max Crosby is traded, the biggest trade acquisition will

(51:25):
beat Christian McCaffrey, a guy that has not played this season.
If he comes back and he looks eighty five ninety
percent of what he was, that is a massive addition.
And that puts the forty nine ers not just back
into the playoff conversation, but like into the NFC landscape.
Remember they beat the Packers in the Lions last year.
Like this was a team that has owned the Rams.

(51:48):
This is a team that last year played the Eagles
and beat the living piss out of them. So they
are going to be very comfortable playing all these teams. Now,
you could argue the Lions are better this year, and
the other thing, the Lions are gonna have his home
field advantage more than likely. And what I know whether
like the Eagles only have one game difference, the same
with Washington. So we'll see how the season plays out.

(52:09):
But the Niners are not gonna have home field advantage
like they did last year, so they will have to
go on the road. Well, I've seen him go to Dallas,
I've seen him go to Green Bay and win playoff games.
They have done it before. They're comfortable in that environment,
and I just think they're a team that if Christian
McCaffrey comes back and he looks the part, watch out

(52:29):
because that is as big of an addition you can
make during the trade deadline, unless, like I said, Max
Crosby or Miles Garrett, which all signs point to they
will not be dealt. Though if I were those teams,
I would highly entertain trading him both. You know, someone
texted me today a buddy in the league was like,
remember when Adam Peters took a bunch of crap during

(52:51):
the like his quarterback search when he basically went up
to the last couple of days and he went to
top Golf and he did a lot of work right
up until the end on what quarterback he was going
to draft, right because he knew Caleb Williams, who the
Bears basically acknowledged they were going to draft six months

(53:11):
before they even know the draft came about, Like they
knew they were drafting him in the fall, and Adam
Peters took a lot of shit. Their story is not written.
And I said this to Colin, and I said this
on my podcast. By no means are you putting anything
in concrete or in sharpie. But as we sit here

(53:32):
right now, the gap between these two players is a
mile wide. And the one thing Caleb's gonna have to
overcome that now, Jaden, it looks like the Washington Commanders
is gonna be well run. Is not is a franchise
that just doesn't really know what they're doing for this
very historic, this huge brand and this massive city that

(53:54):
has this huge fan base. The Bears historically are kind
of a joke the last I don't know, fifteen years.
I mean, their owner feels like she's one hundred and
fifty years old. They're very cheap, and it reflects what
we're watching this season, ever, flews completely over his head
and the last two weeks are complete embarrassment. And then

(54:14):
you got Jayden, who just has dominated kind of from
day one, who has a real coach and now a
real competitive owner and a GM that has won rings
with multiple teams, who was the most qualified general manager
candidate probably the last twenty years. So it is funny

(54:35):
how things age. Adam Peters taking these guys to top golf,
does he know what he's doing? Meanwhile, the Bears, it's
like they zeroed in on Caleb Williams. Should maybe they
have done a little bit of research on Jayden Daniels
because you just watch the guys play physically. Part of
the knock was Caleb's all time physical freak. What the
hell's the difference, Jaden elite arm, Jaden better athlete, So

(55:00):
it's easier for him to see he definitely has more touch.
Now you could argue it's just confidence, right, and Caleb's
lost his because he's playing for an organization that just
ruined your confidence, which okay, But how often are we
gonna make excuses? Is it gonna be like year four
or five like we're doing with Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
Well, if he if he played here, if he had
this guy coaching for him, if he was throwing it
to this guy. It's like, guys, we've been watching him
for long enough, now can we just acknowledgem not very good,
He's not terrible. He's not like some JaMarcus Russell all
time scrub. But he's just not that good, especially relative
to paying a guy two hundred million dollars. If you

(55:40):
ask the Jags right now, you can get a redo,
you can do a little take back.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
Hey, I know we handed you two hundred million dollars.
We'd like to take that back. What do you think
they would say? Of course they would say yes, which
it was moronic at the time, like guys even Tua,
like at the time, at least Tua had produced for
multiple years at a much higher level, like Trevor Lawrence,
Like this guy didn't even throw twenty touchdowns last year?

(56:09):
Are you sure about this one? It's like, yeah, we
think we are. And then six months later, uh, not
really well, of course, not awful decision. So I just
think sometimes it's funny how stories happening around the draft
where we just give a guy a bunch of credit
and then we're critical of another guy, and then six

(56:30):
months later we look back and we're like, eh, that
was a pretty terrible take. That wasn't one of my takes.
I mean, I have everyone freaking out about top golf.
It's like, who would have thought six months later the
Washington has the best quarterback by a pretty wide margin. Okay,

(56:53):
let's do a little mail back, nothing too long. I'll
get to a lot of mail bags over the course
of this week. So John Midlcoff is the Instagram. Fire
in those dms. If you're watching this on YouTube, fire
in my Instagram dms, you're listening on the podcast, phone
wide open, Holler at me. I've got this question a lot. Obviously,

(57:15):
there are a lot of Bears fans who are very,
very not just obviously down on the coaching staff, but
question the quarterback. And basically this question is it looks
like Caleb Williams is relearning the position. He looks hesitant
to make decisions. Whenever he bombs it, it looks predetermined.

(57:35):
He never hits it. He can't sit in the pocket
and make go through progressions. It doesn't help to play
for the Bears. Waldron and the coaching staff are idiots,
but Caleb is flat out missing guys. And this has
been a theme question we get daily and obviously after
Sunday when he looks bad, consistently people ask these questions,

(57:57):
and people thought I was being a hater. And after
they played Carolina and Jacksonville, like I told Colin, like
I'm sorry. I'm just not going to anoint them after
beating those two teams. Jacksonville's defense is a joke, Carolina.
I mean, unless you're playing Dennis Allen is going to
lose to everybody. They are not very good either, so

(58:19):
when they play real teams. They did Houston early in
the season, he was overmatched because the offensive line's overmatched.
You see him against Washington, He's hideous. Ninety five percent
of the game does make He is very talented, but
just in terms of playing quarterback, there's a difference between
he has the physical skills. Anthony Richardson has a lot

(58:41):
of talent, can't play quarterback. Caleb's a better obviously than
Anthony Richardson, but he's much closer to that than he
is to just being a good player. And we can
blame the coaching. I do think Ryan Poles deserves shit too.
I love Romadunza. I would want Roma Donsay on my team.
But if they could do it over again, you cannot

(59:02):
convince me that they wouldn't have taken an offensive lineman
at number nine. You just can't convince me they got
Keenan Allen, cole Comet Swift, and Dj Moore and you
could have just, I don't know, signed two or three
undrafted free agents and let the cream rise. Roam's a
good player, but that was not what they needed. They

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had a good defense, they needed offensive lineman. So the
offensive line isn't good and he feels rattled, and the
coaching staff's bad, and it's all directly tied to each other.
So do I think the guy's going to be a bust?
I do not, But he's got a long way before
we just call him a good player because right now

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he's not a good player. He's just not a good player.
He's got talent, but he when you watch him, does
not play well. Are the Panthers having a historically bad
two seasons? Obviously, in terms of wins, there's not much
to cheer about. But in my life I can't remember

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someone having back to back number one overall picks, which
the Panthers are on track to do unless they put
together a two game win streak. This was before the
Saints game against the Saints and the Giants, well, they
won one game. Can you imagine getting up early to
watch Panthers Giants, which is an international game. I love

(01:00:28):
it when there's an international game that is just completely
irrelevant if you wake up early. Now, if you live
on the East coast, the game kicks off at nine thirty.
But if you live on the West coast and you
get up, you're you're a sicko, a junkie, because even
myself and I've gotten up early, like the Jets game,

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the Bears game. But this is a game that just
does not matter. It just does not matter. And if
someone that does this for a living, I have a
soft spot for games that just do not matter because
I just I can focus on other stuff. I just
don't need to focus. Like there's nothing that can happen
in this game that matters. So basically the question is

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it's hard to even evaluate the organization at this point.
Head coach in DC seem like they will be successful,
but there is almost zero talent on this roster. Where
do the Panthers go from here? Well, I do think
I think I heard or read or looked. I definitely looked,
but I've heard people say this. There are seven teams

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right now with two and seven records, so the number
one overall pick. We'll see how this goes. This is
actually one of those games that's a huge moment. Neither
one of these teams is winning five games, so whoever
loses this is in prime position because the Giants have

(01:01:55):
already lost to The Giants lost to the camp Boys,
They've lost to Washington twice, and Philly beat him, so
they are currently they're zero to four in the division,
so I think it's fair to assume they're gonna go

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oh and six. If you're the Giants and you're gonna
consistently suck this bad, you want that number one or
two pick, like you don't want to pick seven. What
the hell is the point we just saw last year.
It's cool to get my league neighbors, but they would
have loved to draft Drake may Is the guy they wanted,
and or Jayden, and they didn't have access to him
because they were they had won enough pointless games. If

(01:02:38):
I was a betting man right now, I would I
would imagine. Here's a hard part about the NFL is.
I was talking to UH one our producers yesterday after
we recorded some stuff, and he's a big Commander's guy,
lives in the area, and you can't just go win, win, win,

(01:02:59):
that's loss because the team's better in the NFL because
even if you win eleven games, you're gonna have some
of your eleven wins are gonna be upset wins right
where you're like an underdog on the road and you
win the game, and some of your losses will be
like a home six point favorite in December. It happens

(01:03:21):
every single year. So like Carolina, New England, Tennessee, all
these teams like they're gonna all end up with three
or four wins, so they are going to win other
games and not all of them are gonna happen against
each other. So all of a sudden, you're like, Damn,
did Tennessee just beat Houston? Did the New York Giants

(01:03:44):
just beat the Eagles? It sounds crazy to say out loud,
but it literally happens every freaking year, that these games
in December that you never think, especially by then you
might be like a touchdown favorite at home. Hell, it
might be a touchdown favorite on the road and loose,
so that it's really hard to go, Yeah, we know

(01:04:05):
all these teams suck, but which one of these teams
has a massive upset that we don't see coming? Because
it's it's inevitable. It happens every single year a mini rant.
The national narrative behind Ar and Flacco is maddening from
a Colt fan who watches every snap as much as

(01:04:28):
I in the world. Like Shane Siken, he has not
put Ar in positions to succeed this season. Ar has
an average depth of chart target of thirteen yards. This
is easily the highest in the league this season. Without question,
Steikan likes to throw the ball deep Ar and rarely

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gives him easy completions and screens to help sustain drives
and move the chains, whereas with Flacco he routinely schemes
up easy completions with downs, Pittman on screens, zig routes, drags, etc.
All of that is to say, why would the Colts
ever benj R. To go to Flacco this season? Starting

(01:05:14):
Flacco may get us one or two more wins, but
it's not like Joe is bringing us to Super Bowl.
We have been laughed at the past few seasons for
constantly having a carousel of quarterbacks, and now people want
to turn on the future at quarterback. This is my
issue with that. I hear what you're saying. I'm not
trying to defend Stike in here. I don't know the

(01:05:35):
guy personally. You can't throw intermediate in short routes if
you don't think the guy has any touch to throw them.
So why don't I throw quick screens or wheel routes
because the airmails. Part of the reason I throw deep
is because I think that's the only pass that he
has the chance to make. Flacco has more touch than
Anthony Richson obviously, So I think when you look at

(01:06:00):
the situation with Anthony Richardson, he's the future. That's all
we ever hear at this point in time. No, he
might be the future, but he's currently not the present.
And as we saw last night, Joe Flacco might not
be that good either. He's not me. He's thirty nine
to forty years old, like he has limitations. And this

(01:06:22):
is where I think the culture in this awfully weird situation,
they had no choice after what happened to do what
they did because of the roster, Because how could Ryan Kelly, Pittman,
Jonathan Taylor, Quintin Nelson. They couldn't operate after you tapped out.
They could not. It was not possible. Now, maybe after

(01:06:45):
a week or two everyone can take a deep breath,
but they had no choice. So I think that move
was probably less about the forty four percent completion and
more like this guy tapped out in the middle of
a game against our division rival, Like that happened. How
do I look all my DeForest Buckner in the face?
I mean it's like, hey, DeForest, listen. I know you've

(01:07:07):
played through I don't know seven plus injuries over the
last five years, laid your heart, soul, and literally your
body on the line for this franchise. But we're gonna
keep rolling with Anthony Richardson who were not winning with
So I think it was a tough situation. And this
is when you draft projects and then you find your

(01:07:30):
team being pretty competitive. You get yourself in these weird situations,
and that's where they're at right now, in this weird situation.
Patriot fan from New England. Why is nobody in the
media talking about Drake May? Is it just because the
Pats suck? All I hear about is Caleb Daniels and

(01:07:50):
even Nicks. In his first two starts, May has thrown
for five touchdowns and over five hundred yards. The last
rookie to do that was Dan Marino. This is all
behind o line. Yeah, listen, you're not the Red Sox
or the Celtics. You remove Ballichick and Brady like you

(01:08:10):
just aren't that relevant. Now, if this guy is good
and you start winning, you will be relevant. And again,
but right now you don't. Just we're not obligated to
talk about you, and you become much more of a
local product than you do a national product. And when
you're looking like you're gonna win three or four games
on the season, people are not breaking down Drake May

(01:08:34):
every game. And for example, you just played the Titans.
Unless you're a Titans or Patriot fan, you do not
need to watch that game. You just don't. Now, maybe
at the end of the season, if I want to
do something like let's break down all the rookie performances,
you go back and you look at everything. But when
there are real games being played with playoff implications, I mean, honestly,

(01:08:58):
that might have been the low game on the docket
in terms of importance of the entire day. And so
it's just you guys were spoiled because for a long,
long period of time, you're right there with the Cowboys
no matter what wind, loser draw. We're talking Pats, Belichick, Brady,
you were at the top of the food chain. You

(01:09:20):
were like the lion in the jungle. Now you're like
the muskrat, just trying to survive. So like this, this
is what happens when you suck. Question for the mailbag.
Do you think because there are so many rules to
protect the quarterback that they seem to be getting softer
and are becoming more injury prone. That's a good question.

(01:09:46):
I think when you look around the NFL, the top guys,
I mean, Herbert's hurt his ankle, but for the most part,
he hasn't missed any time. Stafford's, you know, been pretty
durable given that he's been getting his ass kicked. Mahomes
never miss his time, Lamar never really misses time, Josh
Allen never misses games. I would say the top dogs,

(01:10:07):
you know, Jared Goss very very durable, Jalen Hurts for
running quarterbacks durable, Kyler's been durable as of late. So
I would say most of the top guys pretty I mean,
it's pretty weird when you see Dak's gonna miss a
couple games for a hamstring. It's not often that you
see a quarterback hurt his hamstring. But yeah, I don't know.

(01:10:29):
I just think sometimes injuries with quarterbacks gonna be kind
of random, would be. I guess my first reaction to
your question, what do you think about the Colts and
the benching of aar I think it's an organizational failure
to give up so soon knowing he was always going
to take longer. If they truly have a team of

(01:10:52):
Vets that want to win now, then why draft him fourth? Overall?
It makes no sense. Shane hasn't done a damn thing
to help him in terms of play. Call it just
as him. They just have him dropping back like he's
prime Philip rivers. What where are the bootleg passes? I

(01:11:13):
would guess, And this is where what I said earlier
is it. Shane would say, I'd call bootleg pass and
I don't have any faith that he hits it because
we run him in practice and the airmails it. Lorady
skips it. He's not accurate, So like the accuracy is something,
it's very real, Like that's a tangible thing. Now, if
you want to make the argument of like, listen, we're

(01:11:34):
not going anywhere with Flacco either, we might as well
give this guy as many reps as possible so we
at least know by the end of the year, like
is this something we want to keep doing or do
we already need to pivot, which I think would be
a fair argument. But like I said, the moment that happened,
your entire team turned on him. This is not this

(01:11:56):
is not a guess, this is not an opinion. It
was clear they turned on them. Ryan Kelly, the heartbeat
of the team, one of if not their best players,
said yeah, we had to have a talk with him.
So like that, this isn't They didn't have a choice.
It's like sometimes if you're the CEO or a manager

(01:12:17):
and it's like your employees are gonna there's gonna be
a mutiny inside the office, like you gotta do something.
It's the power is taken out of your hands. You
either make the change to avoid the mutiny and avoid
a riot with your employees and in this case, your
locker room, or you just risk everyone turning on everybody

(01:12:41):
in the whole season being a complete waste of time.
And to me, that's where they were headed. If they
didn't make Flacco the quarterback because of all the comments
from the players, Now, could they you know, Flacco was
pretty bad on Sunday night? Could they just go back
to them this week and be like, listen, we've talked,

(01:13:01):
are everyone's met with them, We've done a lot of
hard tohearts. But he had multiple comments last week It's
like I don't even think he quite gets it, which
is understand a young kid just doesn't quite understand what
he doesn't even understand, which is a problem because they
got so many like DeForest Buckner, Ryan Kelly, Quintin Nelson

(01:13:23):
like these are pretty Jonathan Taylor, like pretty high level cats,
you know, and you got this guy, this naive player
who doesn't even understand what's at stake here and then
also isn't playing well. It's a powder keg of disaster.
And that's where I think they're in this weird spot.
Like if you want to blame the coach and the

(01:13:44):
GM have at it, you're not wrong. If you want
to blame Anthony Richardson, blame him. I mean yet last
night collins Worth talking about the benching and they show
him Listen, sometimes we just we yawn, nothing we can do.
They go to him on the sideline and he yawns.
I mean, you talk about the timing. It couldn't have
been any worse. Anyone that's played pee wee football let

(01:14:07):
alone the pros like, you don't you don't want to
get cut yawning by a coach let alone on television
now late game tired, he's not playing. I don't even
think it's that crazy, but the timing of it was like,
I feel bad for this kid. He can't catch a break,
but it is what it is. And now you got
this situation where they're kind of up Shit's creek without

(01:14:28):
a paddle because there's no way to get a quarterback.
You invested heavily in this guy, and the only way
for him truly to get better is eventually. Obviously there
are things he can do in practice and stuff, but
like he's got to get more game reps, and to
give them more game reps, there's a chance that you

(01:14:48):
just lose and he just sucks in those games, which
is a big problem. So I don't know, man, I
feel for you Colts fans because this eas and it
feels like got away from you really fast. The volume

(01:15:10):
mm hmm

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