John is back reacting to Mike Tomlin’s Pittsburgh Steelers, led by QB Russell Wilson and defensive superstar TJ Watt, defeating the struggling New York Giants on Monday Night Football by a score of 26-18. John salutes Mike Tomlin’s squad after climbing to the top of the AFC North with a Lamar Jackson & Baltimore Ravens loss this past Sunday. Despite all of the question marks surrounding the Pittsburgh Steelers, Middlekauff breaks down how Russell Wilson, George Pickens and the Steelers are surprisingly competitive before diving into how Wilson, the veteran QB, took back the starting job from Justin Fields earlier this season. Next, Middlekauff goes off on the hapless New York Giants and Brian Daboll, who has been coaching well, despite falling to 2-6 on the season putting them in the cellar of the NFC East. Then, John explains why Giant QB1 Daniel Jones is the “worst type of athlete” before going into the numbers on the former Duke signal caller. John goes on to explain why the New York Giants and New York Jets would kill for the front office success of the New York Yankees or New York Mets. Finally, another electric edition of Outhouse and Penthouse featuring Patrick Mahomes & the Kansas City Chiefs, the red-hot Detroit Lions and more.
3:10 - Giants at Steelers reaction
24:54 - NFL Penthouse & Outhouse
37:45 - Tyrique Stevenson cost Bears the game
44:02 - Questioning Anthony Richardson's competitive nature
52:03 - The power of good coaching
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What is going on? Everybody? How are we doing? Hopefully
everyone had a fun time watching Monday night football. We
had a barn burd halftime nine nine. But the Steelers
Mike Tomlin and most importantly Russell Wilson and the deep
ball pull away. They're six and two. So the Steelers
go to six and two. The Giants meanwhile go to
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two and six and have parlayed that offseason hard knocks
where everyone was making fun of him into a bad
season which most people saw coming. So we'll talk about
this game. We'll hit on from Tomlin to Russell to
Daniel Jones, the day ball. A lot going on, big
picture with these teams. We'll do a little my penthouse
(02:22):
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I mean, this outhouse has turned into a lot of
like a porta potty. That's what's going on, and we
have a new addition and Rogers might be involved. Got
to hit on the viral video of Tyreek Stevenson and
kind of what I would do if I ran the Bears.
(02:45):
Anthony Richardson tapping out in that game was something I
wasn't really alerted to until this morning because I had
the game on mute, so you just can't quite So
I saw that video go viral, It's like damn. Then
we'll hit on some other football stuff. No mail bag today,
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got to start this off with a hat tip and
a salute and just you know, an overall thumbs up
to Mike Tomblin because one, I think a lot of
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people that listen definitely to me and Colin when we
do our shows me over the years, think I'm like
a Tomlin hater. It's impossible to not think Mike Tomlin
is a good coach, but we're also when you go
to the playoffs and have a winning record every year,
you get compared to the other really good coaches, and
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he hasn't won a playoff game in a long time.
And coming into this season, I thought they were gonna
be worse. I thought that nine ten wins of getting
in as the seventh seed and being one and done,
I thought this would be the year they don't even
make the playoffs. I was wrong. At six and two.
They could cruise the second half of the season and
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go five and four and have eleven wins and be
a lock wild card team. But it's clear that they
have a very very good chance to win the division.
And the move he made two weeks ago, as he
said It's why I'm so highly compensated. I thought was insane. Uh,
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not just because I don't think. I didn't think Russell
Wilson was good anymore, but it was working what they
were doing, playing defense, running justin fields, and he saw
something that was not sustainable. And we say it all
the time, like when guys go from coordinators two head coaches.
A lot of you guys listening or watching, I'm sure
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going positions where you start managing people, you're in charge,
and you realize it's a lot different when you're just
giving suggestions than the one making the decisions. And listen,
I wasn't alone when I thought, like, you're gonna go
to Russell Wilson one. I didn't even believe him. I
thought he was messing with the Jets. And then when
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they go into the locker room with George Pickens like
that Thursday or Friday, and they're trying to be mom
about it, he's like, hey, he's a starting quarterback. We've
been working after practice. It was pretty clear like yeah,
this is happening. And then in that game started rocky.
By the end, clearly they are a much better passing
team tonight, though it was a game changer for them,
and he made that decision simply because and listen, Justin
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Fields deserves a lot of credit and he's going to
extend his career for a long time. Is he a
starting quarterback in this league. It's probably gonna be difficult
for him to be moving forward. But when you become
a backup, two things have to be accounted for your character,
your work ethic, because a lot of it's not playing,
how you are during the week, how you are in practice,
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how your teammates like him. He has been really impressive
in this situation because when you get yanked and your
team's winning, he could have handled it more poorly or
just not I mean poorly in general. He didn't handle
it poorly at all. He could have just I don't know,
created a little bit of a stink, had his agent
link some stuff, just been pissed off and publicly. And
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it feels like the way he was with Russell Wilson
on the sideline the night, couldn't have handled it any better.
That's maturity. That that's called being a pro. And we
always say like not we but coaches always say they
love saying this. You gotta be a pro. You gotta
be a pro. There's also a human element to this
that he was able to kind of shove to the side,
keep his head down be a pro. And it's been
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really impressive. But they obviously don't have the running element anymore.
With Russell Wilson. They ran like a quarterback sweep tonight.
My guess is they ran that just to get that
on film to keep defenses. Honest, Russell's not a runner.
He got like three steps and slid immediately. Like that
element that Justin Field's had is gone from their game.
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But they go, who cares, we want him to throw
the ball and throw the ball downfield. And in the
first half they easily should have had a touchdown to
George Pickens, who only got the one foot down twice.
One takeaway I had tonight from that play, which by
the letter of the law, is the right call. If
you get the same foot down two separate times before
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you go out of bounds and you're second foot never touches.
That should count. Like if you watch that play, I
don't think there's a human alive that goes that's not
a catch. But it wasn't, and they had to settle
for all these field goals, and it's whatever the score
is at halftime nine to nine. The Steelers easily could
have been up seventeen to nine or seventeen to six
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at halftime like they were moving the ball forty three
yards deep ball to George Pickens, thirty six yards deep,
ball to Van Jefferson, little underthrown. I think one thing
that's pretty evident his arm strength. In the peak of
his powers. The guy that I saw beat the shit
out of the Niners in the middle of the twenty tens.
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It's not quite as potent, but it's still pretty good.
He hit the touchdown pass to Austin, the little return
guy who's dynamic little receiver as well. Friar moved down
the field for a first down for eleven yards Darnell
Washington on a crossing route. He was twenty of twenty
eight for two hundred and eighty yards. And to me,
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that ball and that pressure of being able to flip
the field with explosive plays was definitely something they didn't
really have with justin fields and it would happen every
so often, but Russell is not gonna pick you apart
over the middle of the field. That's always been the
knock on him, right, he doesn't like throwing over the
middle of the field. And then over the last couple
of years he's become a dink and dunk guy and
(10:23):
not willing to push it and clearly whatever Tomlin does,
which makes him, you know, one of the better coaches
of his generation, a guy that everyone in the league respects,
and a guy that just never loses, a guy that
just never loses. Because you can't tell me if you
take Justin Fields and Russell Wilson. The Giants were sniffing
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around on Russell Wilson. If you put Russell Wilson on
that team, it's just not working. It's simply not It's
not exactly like Pittsburgh has the ninety three Dallas Cowboys
offensive line blocking for him. But you watch it and
you go, yeah, I could see this getting a little
bit better. And honestly, there were some signs tonight where
I said it a week ago, I was like, I
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don't know if this team can win a playoff game.
Then Baltimore loses, and now you go, obviously they don't
play each other, I think for a couple more weeks,
and then again toward the end of the season, so
if you just handle business there now one curveball for
both those two teams is that if you told me
the Deshaun Watson Because Baltimore just played Cleveland, Pittsburgh has
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not played Cleveland yet, so they both still have three
remaining games. Pittsburgh has two and Baltimore has one more
remaining with Cleveland. If you told me Deshaun Watson was
starting all those games, I would say, pretty good chance
it was a four to zero sweep by the two teams.
Worst case scenario, maybe Cleveland just gets one game at home,
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makes the game weird some fumbles. Well, that dramatically changed
because the Cleveland team you saw yesterday that took out Baltimore,
like that's a real team and that's a team now
obviously they beat Baltimore, but like they could be Pittsburgh
as well, And that's something you didn't really have to
factor in before because no one took them. Like Deshaun
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Watson wasn't beating this team the way he was playing
early in the season. Rips's Achilles Jamison bombs away and
it's a tough opponent. So that's something to keep an
eye on if you're a Steeler Raven fan. Right. But
I just think that this passing element post Roethlisberger when
they went with the Rudolphs, and they went with the
Duck Hodges, and then a couple of years with Kenny Pickett,
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it was a joke. And Fields, who I think played
much better this season than he even did last year
when everyone was trying to act like he was a
good player. Still as very flawed as a passer. And
while Russell has things you would like him to be
better at, that willingness and that touch on the deep route,
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on the go route, on just deeper breaking grounds, he
will just let it loose and he's confident in it
rip even though sometimes it's just and listen, Van Jefferson,
make a play on the ball. Obviously, George Pickens, with
that big body, I don't even care if it's a
little under thrown as a fifty to fifty ball. We'll
let our blue chip premium guy go up and make
a play. You throw a fifty to fifty ball to
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our big ass tight end that we just extended. Okay,
we'll live with it. You probably got to be pretty
accurate when you're throwing it to Austin, and he was
tonight hit him in stride, easy touched him. So that
was an impressive It's just an impressive organizational little stretch
here by Mike Tomlin, by the Steelers, by Russell and
Justin Fields. I said this, and I've been hammering this
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point home because when I went to the combine, it's
just so clear. So many of these teams have no
fucking shot. It's like you got no shot. It's got
to be incredible if you're an owner of one of
these teams, because you're gonna make money no matter what.
Your team can blow, your team can win one or
two games every year for a decade straight, you get
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the same check from the league as the Dallas Cowboys,
the forty nine Ers, or the Pittsburgh Steelers. It doesn't matter.
But there is a reason the same teams consistently compete
in the playoffs and have winning records. And obviously Tomlin
the Steelers organization. You watch the night like there are
certain players that were just born to play for certain teams,
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and to me, TJ. Watt just feels I mean, obviously
he's a Pittsburgh Steeler, but like it's just a match
made in heaven, like that guy was born to play
for that brand. To play in front of those fans
and to play on that unit for that organization, you know,
it wouldn't have been the same fight he like PJ.
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Watt even the same level of players on like the
Jags or the Dolphins. Right, it just it feels right.
And he was an absolute dominant menace tonight. And when
they have high Smith healthy as well, and you got
to go into must passing situations, you are fucked like
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you're in major trouble, especially if you're a situation like
the Giants where you got backup offensive linemen in and
they ate them live. As the game went on, and
the Giants honestly played probably one of their better games
of the season. You saw Brian day ball early on, like, like,
the Steelers just look like the Steelers do. That's how
they play at ten am games, That's how they play
Sunday night games, how they play Thursday night games. Like
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most of their games look in a similar vein Now,
they were more explosive down the field than in recent
memory because of Russell, but the vibe of their game
is very similar. Right, they get this freak fumble, the
Giants fall on it late in the game, It's like, God,
the Giants score here, Well they got to get a
two point conversion two because they did your classical analytical
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you're down fourteen, you go for two when you score,
which I totally understand unless you're the fucking Giants. You
have scored ten point total in two games. Let's just
try to tie the game. You struggle to move the ball,
let alone score the ball, and then the two point
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play they ran, as Troy Aikman said, was an embarrassment,
Tyreek Stevens says. Stevenson says, thanks, guys, you might want
to focus up because no one was paying attention on
that play and Malik Neighbors got immediately tackled. You go
for two when your offense is terrible. Like, all things
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are not equal. The Giants are no guarantee to ever
gain a yard, especially against the Pittsburgh Steelers. Let's just
go down a touchdown. Maybe something weird happens, we'll tie
it up with a touchdown. But of course you go
for two because the analytics, we're trying to win the game.
Win the game, just see if we can tie the game. Like,
let's just let's take baby steps. What do they say
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you gotta crawl then walk, then run, like, let's not
try to sprint here before you can just take two
steps moving forward. And you know, the Steelers six and two,
very very impressive, and the Giants, like you could tell
Brian Daboll wanted that. And this is why you always
gotta be careful when you gamble on you know, Monday
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night games, especially as the season goes on, because you
will get I think now I have to relook exactly
what the rules are for the flexes, but you will
have bad teams play really good teams and you'll go, ah,
this is gonna be a blowout, and all of a sudden,
it'll be the third quarter and it'll be a tie game.
Because these coaches make a ton of money, these players
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have a lot of pride, like they're human beings. They
understand playing in a solo game on primetime on Monday
night is a big deal, and you get an extra
day to prepare and you usually throw the kitchen sink,
not just schematically, but effort wise. You play harder than
you typically do. Sad to say, but it's kind of true.
And it felt like early on in that the New
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York Giants like, ah, this is as harder you've seen
him play all season long. Brian Dabell doesn't want to
get regardless of what his record is, doesn't want to
get embarrassed on Monday Night football by a team that's,
you know, going to cruise to eleven or twelve wins.
And I think this is the hard part about their
situation because, like it's been well reported that they don't
(18:23):
want to fire Brian Daball or Joe Shane. They would
like this to work. I think Brian Daball deserves to
get a little time because it kind of hit me
tonight watching them play. I think Daniel Jones is by
far the worst type athlete and definitely worst type quarterback.
Think about this. He looks the part. He's like six ' five.
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He's a really good athlete. He's it's he's like six five,
two twenty. He's a good athlete. He's a high character,
smart guy, knows all the plays, tough at shit. Teammates
like him, so he checks the coaches like him, checks
all these boxes. Arm's good, not great, but listen, Alex Smith.
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We've seen a lot of guys have long careers without howitzers.
But then he plays and you're like, I don't know,
Like I've been watching football long enough to know this
doesn't work, and we've been saying that now for years.
But there's only one game a week. So then you
go back to Tuesday and Wednesday, and he's the first
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guy in the building. He's studying the hardest, he knows
the game plan. By Wednesday, he knows all the plays,
he knows all the defensive looks, he's helping the other
players out. Coaches love him. And then the game starts again.
And if day Ball had hair like myself, he would
pull it all out, but we don't, so we can't.
So you just go, what the hell am I watching?
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And it feels like a consistent theme with guys like this.
He's just talented enough to constantly tease you, and just
I mean and bad enough to com Still he lose
you games. Now, it's not all his fault, but it's
hard to watch Daniel Jones play and go I don't know, like,
I don't think this really works anywhere, even the Alex
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Smith komp. I don't think he could have played like
Alex Smith the way Alex did with the forty nine
ers and even early on with the Chiefs because he
does a lot of things where you just what the
hell was that. So if he ever was going to
be a really good player with the skill set that
he has, he would be a no mistake guy. He
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would never make a mistake, and he to me, he
would be a lot more accurate than he is, and
to me his accuracy is just very, very hit or miss.
But I think the Giants clearly he won't be the
quarterback next year. But back to the day ball thing, Okay,
you keep him next year. I do think after that
Hard Knocks came out, it's hard for anyone that falls football,
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specifically the Giants fans, to take their general manager seriously.
Like you don't have to have worked in an NFL
front office, you don't have to under have to like
understand the true inner workings of free agency in the draft.
If you were just a fan of football to watch
that and go this, this doesn't feel right. And I'm
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not even specifically talking about the Saquon not signing him
or signing him. I'm just talking about like, Daves, what
are you thinking, Dave's who do you want? And as
someone in the NFL told me, it's like if that
was just for cameras. Why would you let that out
because it makes you look so bad, not just to
the fans, but your other peers in the league. So
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I think it is fair to say that we have
to take the way that he approached that as face value.
But here's the problem with firing a GM and keeping
the coach that then you get this new GM to
come in. He gives like him a year trial run,
and then you're just all out of whack and watching
the Yankee game tonight, obviously they're getting embarrassed right now.
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In the World Series, did you hear what I just said?
In the World Series, and Brian Cashman takes a lot
of shit. The Giants fans would sell their left leg
to have the level of competence of Brian Cashman running
their operation. Look at the New York Mets. They get
rid of the owner, they hire or he sells the
(22:23):
team to Steve Cohen, and they just feel like a
real operation. The New York Knicks, who for the majority
of my adult life have sucked. And then these last
couple of years, they get Leon Rose, they get Tibbs,
they have this vision, They get Jalen Brunson. Now we'll
see if their moves this year payoff. Trading for Karl
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Anthony Towns. But hey, sometimes you take a big swing
to take the next step. But we know they're gonna
be good because it feels like they're really well run.
And then you look at the two football teams that
owners are completely different. One guy is just very what
I think. I think John Marra, I think very presidential.
I think very like country club, just old school. When
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I think Woody, I just think kind of rich kid,
crazy ass nut job. But both guys wealthy, owned very
valuable franchises and they're both in chambeles. They're both in chambeles.
I would say Woody's version is worse when you factor
in Aaron Rodgers as their quarterback and Daniel Jones at
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the Giants quarterback. But what they both have in common
is in a league that is just you know, determined
and judged on. You can tell me about your process
all day long, and coaches love doing that. I say
this all the time. The only reason people were obsessed
with Nick Saban's process because he won seven national titles.
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Nick Saban had never won a national title. No one
would give a shit about his process. It's results oriented
business and the results for the two football teams. But
I mean, the Giants aren't that much different football wise
than the Jets. It just feels a little bit less,
maybe disastrous, because they don't have this high water mark
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that everyone expected because they had Aaron Rodgers. The expectations
were low because of Daniel Jones. But they're in shambles.
And now you look at their division, like, obviously the
Cowboys suck, they're still better than the Giants. Now the
Commanders have real leadership, have a real coach, have a
real gm have a quarterback. They're only gonna get better.
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And the Eagles, you know, kind of shook off some
craziness early in the season. You know, let's face it,
the Eagles have mainly been good for the last twenty years,
so like they don't win the Super Bowl every year,
but for the most part, they're winning double digit games.
And the Giants have fired. You know, gone how many
coaches post Tom Coughlin. They're on their fourth, who feels like,
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in a weird way, maybe maybe not as fighting for
his job now in the year three, after all, three
of the other guys only made it two years. So
this is a franchise in a lot of turmoil, and
we got a front row seat in that hard knocks.
That was pretty embarrassing. Like I'll promise you this, I
just don't think the Steelers, you know, would ever feel
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like that. It doesn't mean every organization's perfect. Every organization's
perfectly buttoned up and knows what they're doing on every
single move and gets everything right and there's not disagreement,
But that was I've never experienced anything like that as
just a fan of football, watching it on TV, having
been in these meetings and seeing the way these guys talk,
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that's hard to shake. For the jam. So props to
the Steelers, Props to Mike Tomlin. If you're a Steeler fan,
you should be fired up teams not just in first place,
but you guys have played good football. You play Steeler football.
Run the fucking ball. Najee Harris looks awesome and he's
someone who I falled since high school too, high school
fifteen minutes away from me where I lived in the
Bay Area, followed his career at Alabama, and obviously watched
(26:06):
it close. This is the best football he's played so
far in his NFL career. His physicalness his speed, he
looks explosive. Obviously we know Jalen Warren kind of brings
a little change of pace. How many yards they run
for atnite almost one hundred and seventy yards nas he
ran for one hundred and fourteen average six yards to carry.
So if I'm a Steeler fan, I'm feeling pretty good.
Headed to work tomorrow. Let's do a quick my penhouse
(26:38):
in my outhouse. Listen, it doesn't get any better than
the crib and the mansion that the Chiefs are living in,
even when they don't play that well, even when they
just don't even try that hard, and they cruise do
an easy victory if it wasn't for a backdoor cover.
That's twenty seven to thirteen easyw for Kansas City. And
(27:02):
let's face it, you can nitpick all you want, like, oh,
they've barely won this game. They shouldn't have won that game.
Like you're gonna look up and they're gonna be fifteen
and two. And they've added Hopkins who had three catches
or maybe it was two catches for twenty nine yards,
and they added Today from the New England Patriots. So
(27:24):
you had an offensive guy, a defensive guy you already
have a good team, Like I just have faith just
in their whole operation. Now they are no lock to
win the Super Bowl, but the way everything's playing out
right now, they're gonna get home field. So you can
nitpick them all you want. Tell me who's betting against
(27:45):
the Chiefs hosting playoff games? And when you're the number
one seed, you're the only squad that gets to buy.
So I've said it from the beginning. They are on scholarship,
in the nicest penthouse, in the biggest mansion, are living
like fucking kinks. You win a game fifty two to
fourteen when your quarterback throws for less than one hundred yards.
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If you told me this there was a game in
the NFL, because I would believe it in college, because
a guy could run for like four hundred yards and
score six or seven touchdowns. In the NFL, I would
say it'd be borderline statistically impossible, because you'd probably need
a huge rushing game and then multiple defensive scores to
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have a quarterback throw for under one hundred yards and
win a game fifty two to fourteen or just score
fifty two points. That that feels like a statistical anomaly.
But it also feels a lot like the Detroit Lions,
who when you lose Hutchinson, you never know, like how
are you gonna shake off that emotional letdown? And listen,
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they still got to be sniffing around for trades. They
still need to make a move. But you lose Jamison
Williams to I wish we would just say what they
got in trouble for, Like no one cares, like you did,
a little steroids, a little cocaine, whatever it was. Can
you just put what he got to spend it for?
Was it because he was injured he was trying to rehab,
Like I don't care. I don't think most people care.
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But we know you got spend it for pds, Like
for what? But you lose them and then you're like,
well they lose their speed element and you're looking up
and Gibbs is going ninety yards on a run. It's
like this, this is this is even fair? And the
Titans will get to it a little bit. But props
Alliance because last year they had one of the greatest
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seasons in the history of the franchise, and then to
come back this season look like they've looked for most
of the year I know they hit. That game against
Tampa was weird, but for the most part, God, they've
been impressive. I you know, I struggled. I could have
just left it at that. I really could have, because listen,
playing a divisional game with jamis like, it sucks to
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lose that game if you're the I don't think that
differently of you. I think Cleveland's a very tough place
to play. You do have a major, major flaw, like
your past defense and your coverage for a team that
had one of the best defenses statistically in recent memory
last year, a complete defense, Like you have a problem,
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and it's like, no matter who you play, you are very,
very susceptible. And it creeped its head in last you know,
two days ago, and it's bigger reason you lost. Now
I understand that Kyle Hamilton should have caught the ball. Well, yeah,
par even when your guys are given opportunities to make plays,
they dropped the ball, hit them right in the bread basket.
It was like, and it wasn't even some frozen rope.
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It was a little lollipop pass. But you lose to
Cleveland with jamis like I gotta boot you out. I'm
tempted to throw the Bills in there if we're just
doing it on a weekly basis. Like I watched a
lot of that Seattle game. It was raining, it was
bad weather, and they beat the shit shit out of Seattle.
They destroyed them. Keon Coleman's coming on the knock on
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him was like he can't get open. It's like, yeah,
he's like six ' three, throw him up, let him
make contested catches. Use a Marii Cooper who didn't do
anything in the game. But you know, I think the
question with Amar is when you say it, Mari Cooper,
I don't really think cold weather. I don't really think
inclement weather. Tough conditions not really his thing, you know,
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like DeAndre Hopkins, his style of play should translate well
Amri's you know, I don't know, uh, but you watch
James Cook run the ball. We know Sean McDermot is
one of the better defensive coaches. You get nervous in
these big games with them. They've done stupid stuff. But
I'm a believer in the Bills. So they're like poking
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their head in, you know, screaming at Dan Campbell and
Andy Reid. They're the only team that's kind of on
the fridge. It's hard with the Packers. They got some
quarterback injuries. Minnesota. You're gone, Houston, like, I'm sorry, your
record's good. I have a bet on you to get
the number one seed with your injuries. You lose digs. Now,
Nico's already gone. You get the Jets held. You might
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be seven and two, but you just haven't played that well.
Uh so, Yeah, it's it's cheeks just kind of chilling,
cruising down the road by themselves, like the fifty cent meme.
You know when he looks and he smiles and drives
off the outhouse. You know, in the summer, if you're
at like a concert and you gotta go, like the
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only place to go to the bathroom is the porta pottis,
and there's that line and it's like one hundred and
ten degrees and if you you know, eat something bad
and it's like I gotta, I gotta go, And you're
getting that thing and probably seventy five people have used
it over the last day and a half. It reeks.
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You can't breathe. There's this like shit humidity piss mix
in the air and you can't breathe. But you have
to go. That to me would be the Panthers. Like
that is Panthers football. They are so bad. They even
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ask Sean Payton after the game. People can talk shit
about Sean Payton all they want. You gotta appreciate Hell,
He'll just say how he feels. They're like, hey, Sean,
your defense is really rolling. He's like, yeah, their offense stinks.
That wasn't exactly verbatim what he said, but he's like, yeah,
their offense isn't any good. I mean, the Panthers are
an abomination. It just doesn't get any worse, canalis Bryce Young.
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I watched some highlights of that game today. H God,
that's it's the porta potty in the peak of summer,
and we all know when you open that door, that
little latch and you're just you're just desperate for some air,
some fresh air, and it that's the Panthers. I don't
even know what to say about the Titans. I love Nashville.
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Getting married in Nashville Stadium's going to be sweet. They stink,
I mean they stink. They actually aren't that far away
from Porta Potti's status. I just like a couple more
players on their team. But you lose a game fifty
two to fourteen. It was thirty five to fourteen and
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a half. I feel I didn't watch the end of
that game, but did Dan Campbell call off the Dogs?
I mean, that's that's pretty bad man. The Panthers and
Titans are going nowhere fast, and I think we just
got to add this team, the Patriots. They're out they
win a game, right, Even the Giants, you just watch
them play like they're not. I can't compare them to
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the Titans or the Panthers. But when you lose to
the Patriots in a game where you don't have a
timeout after the first quarter because you blew all three
of them on delay of game situations. Someone reminded me
of this situation today. I think they had a ten
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play drive when they score to take the lead against
the Patriots with I forget exactly how much times on
the clock. Was it two fifty or three minutes or something?
So as you're driving, you know, hey, if we score,
you have eyes. You took basic math and elementary like, well,
we need a two point conversion, So have a two
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point conversion play called immediately when you score, or even
in the huddle like Hey, Aaron, if we score here,
this is gonna be our two point play. Get him
up in the huddle. Instead, they score, and they've already
they've already had a million delay of game situations throughout
the game. They get a delay of game on the
two point conversion, and then when they run the play,
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they barely make it past the five yard line. Aaron
Rodgers a shell of himself, There's just no way around it.
And if he was gonna be a shell of himself
and a bottom like wherever the middle line is of
just the you know, like the sixteenth, fifteenth, seventeenth quarterback
kind of that range, if he was on the wrong
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side of that, the Jets were absolutely screwed. And Colin's
taken a lot of shit over the years for being
critical of Aaron, just with his leadership and some stuff.
It's kind of showing like at the end of the day,
you're the most important guy here at the moment, not
the coaching, not Jeff Ulbrick who's never been a head coach,
not Todd down Downing who's been fired by like five
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different teams. Like, Aaron, can can you just lead us
to a couple of victories and he's incapable of doing
that right now, he really is. He's incapable of doing it,
and he's listen, I've defended him with like no one
gives a shit in twenty twenty four about his vaccine
status and most people didn't care at the time, beside
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the media. The darkness retreats and stuff like that. Stuff
gets so overblown, but like this is a moment, like, hey, man,
can you just kind of rally the fucking troops because
like back to what I said about that, like the
players didn't care, they didn't care at all, But this
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is a moment where they got a young team and
everyone's kind of looking around. It's like when Tom Brady's
like follow me, follow me to freedom. As Charlie Steiner
once said, Peyton Manning when he went to Denver Broncos
kind of just feels like Aaron just like, eh, let eron,
I'm cool and the team is just it's a joke,
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it really is. Now they're not as bad as the
Panthers or the Titans, but when you factor in how
bad that losses, like you could put it on equal
footing of getting beat fifty two to fourteen by the
Detroit Lions, like losing to the New England Patriots in
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the fashion in which you lost to him. It's just
borderline if you're a fan, like it feels like unforgivable,
Like I can't even look at this team, and then
they play Thursday night. I didn't even realize that till
this morning. It's like, wait, it's Jets Texans. They lose
the Texans. I mean, they might as well just buy
that whole strip of Porta potties. That whole strip of
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Porta potties, like a Taylor Swift concert is probably the world.
It have to be like a hard rock or like
a country concert, not just little girls, because I would imagine,
like Taylor Swift, the Porta potties probably smell a lot
better than some of the concerts I've been to. But
that would be the Jets, the whole strip, like the
twenty straight Porta potties. Okay, let's hit on a couple
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other things around the NFL. One of the big stories
of Monday morning. I missed this exact incident on day night.
I saw it at the end after, you know, I
recorded with Colin after the afternoon games, and again on
the Sunday night games, and then I recorded our own
podcast really late, so I didn't see the Tyreek Stevenson
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viral video, which I would say is the biggest viral
video so far of the NFL season, and I do
think it'll be pretty tough to top that moment for
the young man. Obviously, it was really embarrassing and it's
something that good teams can never tolerate. Now, I'm not
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some moral high horse guy when it comes to sports,
like I know what I'm involved in. I'm really not
just in general in the business world like this. We
live in a bottom line society and in football it's
about winning and losing, and businesses about making fucking money. Like,
I'm not one of those media guys. I don't even
consider myself a media guy that likes to pound my
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chest and lecture people on stuff. And I'm not like
it funny seeing everyone say they should cut the guy. Well, one,
he's a starter and one of the better defense in
the league and has been a starter from the moment
he was drafted. He's part of the Carolina trade that
landed the Panthers Bryce Young. He's been an excellent player
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for them. People make mistakes now, sometimes our mistakes are
worse than others, and for a player that's about as
bad as you get. That jumps the shark on just
being an embarrassing moment, on being a moment where the
coaches chew your ass out the following week that comes
like the entire city thinks you lost them a football game, because,
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let's face it, he kind of did. He wasn't paying
attention the ball snapped, he looks they're already running. His
job is to actually ebra flu said it, to get
the guy that caught the ball. Well, he's so discombobulated
because the player's already started. He just kind of runs
to the scrum and obviously he ends up tipping the
ball to Noah Brown. So it was one of the
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bigger individual disaster plays you'll ever see from a defensive player.
You could argue, given the scenario and the context of
the game, the actual that it's a hail Mary, it's
one of the worst NFL plays from an individual you
will ever see. But like, you're not cutting this guy one.
If you did cut him, which again they never would,
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he would be claimed by thirty one teams in the NFL.
So the Carolina Panthers, I'm pretty sure they have the
worst record. Uh maybe that I don't know. I don't
have the whoever has the you know it's tiebreaker. There
are some obviously one win teams. Whoever is top of
the waiver wire claim would claim him, he'd be gone.
So you're not cutting the guy. But this is a
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teachable moment, and to me, this is a reflection of
your locker room because that was a game where you
were getting out played and if it wasn't for your defense,
who was holding this team to field goals, you could
have been down like twenty four to nothing because they
were kicking your ass. But your defense is playing their
balls off. Montes Sweat looks like Lawrence Taylor flying around
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chasing Jayden Daniels. I don't know. It feels like besides,
like Kyler and Lamar one of the fastest guys in
the league at quarterback, and they're doing everything humanly possible
even though your offense isn't doing crap to keep you
in the game. And then in the fourth quarter, you
got Sweat busting off a fifty five sixty yard run.
You got Caleb pulling plays out of his ass getting
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chased around. You got Keenan making plays. DJ Moore making
plays obviously sweat making plays like those guys did everything
to stay locked in even when times were the toughest
to win. You a football game on the road, clearly
against a good team, and we lose because of that moment.
So you're not gonna cut him and like having a
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stern talking do in the office, I don't think that
does anything. I think you got a draw a line
in this end to your locker room. This will never
be tolerated here because there are a lot of guys
on this team. We're gonna be on the team for
the foreseeable future. And whether they make the playoffs or
not this year, I don't think they're going to. But
the game plan over the next several years will be
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to make the playoffs every year with the talent we
have on this roster. And eber Flus, because he's literally
coaching for his job, clearly he's gonna want this guy
to play come Sunday. Why he's playing the Arizona Cardinals,
who offensively can be a major major problem. Well, guess
who's not going anywhere? The general manager And to me,
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this is an easy BP fastball for the GM to
draw a line in the sand, make him in active
for a game, and just show everyone else in that
locker room, not only do I appreciate everything you did,
what happened on Sunday in Washington will never ever be
tolerated here Again, Tyree Stevenson, He's not going anywhere. He's
gonna be a part of this team. He's gonna obviously
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really learn from this moment. But like, to me, that's
the move, and we'll see what they do. Ben him
for a quarter, Like, it's not about that. It's about
because like benching for a quarter, how does that change
what just happened to me? It's about letting every young
guy on the roster, starting with your quarterback, like, I
want you to know that like the thing we're building
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here and what we stand for and what this organization
represents in terms of winning culture. Would Belichick? Would Andy Reid?
Can you imagine that happening for Dan Campbell, Jim or
John Harbot, Mike Tomlin what they would do in that
moment with that instance of that individual player. So I
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think it's an easy one for the Chicago Bears to
just to show their team that that's not okay, and
we appreciate everyone that laid it on the line from
start to finish in that game, because most of their
guys did, they played winning or put themselves in a
position to win the game in the fourth quarter of
the Bears definitely played winning football offensively and defensively. Coaches
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screwed up with the full back tipe to the offensive lineman.
Speaking of locker room, I do think the Cults are
in a very precarious situation. Obviously, their quarterback has gone
viral throughout the season for I don't know, not being
able to complete passes. And like we learned in Cleveland,
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when Joe Flacco is on your team, if your quarterback
is not playing well, he's better than you, or he's
better than that guy and should be starting. We saw
in Cleveland major upgrade we saw in Indy he came in.
Offense looks dramatically better. As we sit here on October
twenty eighth, I think it's universally agreed upon that today
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Joe Flacco is a better player than Anthony Richson. But
this was another one of those situations yesterday. Because I
don't have the volume on the game. If I don't
pay attention for a play and something happens. You don't
really know what happens unless you see on social media later,
or obviously you just watch the highlight shows and you
figure out like, wait, Anthony Richardson tapped out of the
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game for a play. Oh, he was injured or something
tweaked his shoulder or his hipoca, No, he was winded.
And I thought about it a lot today because I
saw Pat McAfee asking Belichick about it, and I thought
about the viral video that from the Netflix Quarterback series
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when the Chiefs are in the playoffs and Mahomes hurts
his ankle and Andy Reid is telling him to go
to the locker room with Rick Burkeholder the trainer and
get an X ray, and Pat is dog cussing him,
refusing to go. Matt Nagge comes over, talks to him,
The trainer talks to him, and then finally Eric b
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Enemy comes talk to him and they all tell him
you gotta go get an X ray, and he is
just dropping f ward every other sentence, refusing to go.
And when you watch Lamar, no quarterback I've ever seen
runs around more and I have never thought for one
second even when he's played bad, and I've been critical
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of him like in a playoff game that he ain't
laying it on the line, and his competitive character is
not elite. So you think of the best quarterbacks you're
playing in the AFC, If you're the Colts, the best
team with the best quarterback has ten out of ten
competitive character. I would say Lamar Jackson's competitive character ten
out of ten. Oh, that other team that's five and
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two and gonna be probably a thirteen to fourteen win team,
the Buffalo Bills. I would put Josh Allens at a
ten out of ten. So the three, honestly three of
the better quarterbacks I've seen in my lifetime when it
just comes to physical skills, when it comes to accomplishments,
when it comes to ability, and when it comes to competitiveness.
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You would have to drag those fucking guys off the
field to have them miss a play in a big
game against a division rival in the second half on
third in goal. They wouldn't tap out of the game
if there was a pot of gold outside the stadium.
So to seeing Anthony Riginson tap out, I went, do
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we have to question his competitive character? Is it just
simply while he's tired, he runs more than some guys,
it's like, well, Lamar runs all the time, Kyler runs
all the time. And I was talking with some scouts
and one said, you know, Johnny's never really played. He
was injured in high school, he was injured early in Florida,
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and his one season at Florida they went six and six,
so half the games didn't even matter, and then he
was injured. Last year he's been injured again. And I thought, well, okay,
Because I do think through experiences you build up stuff,
whether it's confidence, whether it's understanding of your sport, of
your craft. I also think once you hit a certain age,
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they were like innate competitive traits that you either have
or you don't. I think a lot of people listening
to this, whatever business or industry you're in, whether you
have them, the people you work for them, you have
them when you're around people that are really really competitive financially. Obviously,
in sports it's about winning and losing. It is something
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that you cannot mistake or fake. And some people are
just a little I would say lacks when it comes
to that. And I do think you have to question
how the rest of the locker room because this gets
to the Bears thing like, even if I really like
Tyrek Stevenson, like, this is our job. We are paid
to win these games, and if we don't, if we
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miss the playoffs, if a new coach comes in, the
majority of guys on this roster are not Montese Sweat
Jalen Johnson and Caleb Williams or DJ Moore. Most guys
are fighting for their fucking jobs on a yearly, weekly basis.
In the NFL. Obviously, if you're a veteran player, once
you make week one yr contract is guaranteed for the
rest of the season, but definitely on a weekly or
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a yearly basis. It's like, we can't afford to lose guys,
and I'm watching the Colts lose that game. His stats
were horrendous. I saw someone breaking down, like some of
those were drops. It's like, okay, Like, you don't just
become forty four percent passer on the season because your
wide receivers are dropping a lot of balls. He's an
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inaccurate passer, but it's like, Okay, we got a project.
We drafted him fourth overall. I can live like this
is what I went into business with. I cannot live
with that competitive character question mark because now it's been
one thing. Listen. We had durability concerns, we had accuracy concerns,
and now the number one concern is, like I've seen
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so many former players that have said, in all my
life of being around football, I have never seen this ever,
Like it's been universally agreed upon. It never happens. It
happens when you're hurt, and usually that guy's kind of
limping off or laying on the ground. He tapped out
like he's Alvin Kamar or Christian McCaffery or Derreck Henry
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after a fifty yard run. The quarterback and the five
offensive lineman never come out of the game ever, if
they are not injured. I think if you're a Colts fan,
you've tried to rationalize the inaccuracies, the amount he's going
to have to grow to be competitive at the highest level.
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But I think you were hoping, like, hey, everything, we
hear high character people like him, But now we got
competitive question marks. To me, those are non starters. You
don't have a snowballs chance in hell to compete in
that conference against the competitive level of guy that you
have to play, who are already infinitely better players, and
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that you know, to get Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen or
Patrick Mahomes out of a game, they would have to
have a serious, serious injury. You almost have to chock
it up to in the loss. And I saw a
headline the day that Shane Steichen, I think, in a
call to the media, said that they're still evaluating who's
going to be their starting quarterback. I think the decision
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was made for you the moment he tapped his helmet.
You have to start Joe Flacco. Now you got to
whether this guy's out of shape, whatever the deal is,
we got to do some soul searching here because that
can never be okay. When Jonathan Taylor, I mean, they
got random guys on defense that were playing their ass
off in that game. That can't be accepted because if
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it is accepted, Listen, a lot of people in the
NFL make fun of the Colts because they think Chris
Ballard is well liked by a lot of people in
the media, and he kind of gets a pass. I
don't even know the guy, and I've been pretty optimistic
when I talk about him. But if Joe Flacco's not
their starting quarterback this year, like I'm sorry, their organization
is a joke one. I mean, Flacco is just clearly
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a better player right now, but to that specific incident,
I just don't see how his teammates can take him seriously. Last,
but not least, I think the power of coaching, this
is why these guys make so much money, is on
full display really in college and the pros every Saturday
and Sunday, but nothing more than this Sunday. Like all
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I heard coming into the regular season was the Jets.
The Jets are the betting favorite to win the AFC East.
And my whole thought was, even if you think Rogers
is going to be Pete Rogers, look at their coaching
staff that this is you have to have both. You
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can have Joe Montana or Tom Brady, but you typically
also have to have Bill Belichick or Bill Walsh. Like
Mike Holmgren was a lot better when he had Brett Pharr.
Andy Reid's been excellent. You giving Patrick Mahomes like it's
a duo. The head coach in football means so much,
and it's like everyone that acts like Sean McDermott and listen,
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He's had some devastating losses, but he has a pretty
long resume now of being a winner and that organizational philosophy.
And currently if you go to the standings on NFL
dot com or ESPN dot com, they have a gigantic
lead and it's not even Halloween. The Patriots coach clearly's
in over his head, the Jets have no coach, and
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the Dolphins coach is the most overrated coach in recent memory.
Like this division could be over by December first, it
really could, and the Bills just have to keep playing
for seating purposes. But like Sean McDermott and Joe Brady,
because this was a team, it's like, oh, they lost
these guys, they got rid of their safeties, they traded
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step On Diggs. Watched them play against Seattle on the
road in the rain. How buttoned up that operation was.
The Packers, to me, have just been a revelation this
year because the reason most of us liked him so
much coming into the season. It's like, did you see
Jordan Love down in stretch last year? Look, Aaron Rodgers,
if this defense is just a little bit better, Steam
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could win Super Bowl. And then he gets hurt opening night,
he gets hurt again yesterday, and it's like he missed games.
They had to start Malik Willis for two games. They
had to bring Malik Willis yesterday into a game that
was tightly contested. And I look today Malik Willis Ford
Matt Lafoor and that offense is twenty nine of thirty
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nine for seventy five percent, throwing three touchdown and no picks.
He's also averaging over eight yards of carry and he's
ran in another touchdown. Like that's what coaching is. If
you gave the Packers Ebra Flus and Shane Waldron, there's
zero chance there six and two, I mean none. And
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if you flip flopped Lafleur and Halflee in and those
guys with the Bears, I think it's safe to assume
their defense would still be really good, but their offense
would be dramatically better. I don't think the Minnesota Vikings
roster is that great. Obviously, the receiver is an incredible talent,
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and Aaron Jones is really good, but now they've lost
their left tackle. You look at their defensive pieces, like,
who's their best defensive player, a forty year old Harrison Smith.
Like sometimes you watch them get pressure, like who are
these guys? You're like, Oh, they drafted this guy in
the fourth round four years ago. This is not Zadarius
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Smith and Daneil Hunter on the squad anymore. But they
got Kevin O'Connell and they got Brian Flores, and now
I think they're gonna come back to earth a little
bit more because the left tackle's gone. But I would
still expect them to be a ten win team. I've
said this forever about McVeigh. For them even being in
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position that if they got everyone back they would still
be alive is an incredible accomplishment. To win that game
early on in the season against the forty nine ers
with no wide receivers is one of the crazier things
I've ever seen. Because the Niners blew two bad games,
one to Arizona and one to the Rams. They are
not equals. Ultimately, Stafford was thrown to me and you
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Kyler still had, you know, James Connor, Trade McBride, Marvin Harrison, Dortch,
a kind of like like, they got guys that keep
you on your toes. Is why they've had some big
comeback victories the last couple of years. Since Kyler came back,
I kept saying, listen, I whiffed on the Saints they
might not win another game. Spencer Rattler is one of
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the worst players I've ever seen. Might not be all
his fault. They're missing offensive lineman, they got wide receiver injuries,
but he's got awful. But look at the Chargers schedule
right now. They won last year. I think they went
five to twelve. They obviously had the fifth overall pick.
They were terrible. They lost a game on Thursday night
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like sixty to twenty, which is ironic because they ended
up hiring that GM who got fired the next day
that the Raiders literally got him fired. But this Charger
team was an embarrassment to football. Do you know what's
gonna happen when the season ends this year? The Chargers
are gonna be in the playoffs. I'm gonna read you
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their schedule. The Chargers this week at the Browns. I
like the Chargers. The following week Titans, I like the Chargers.
They get the Bengals at home. Tougher game, but definitely winnable.
Ravens loss at the Falcons, loss at the Chiefs, loss, Buccaneers,
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million injuries, Chargers, Broncos, another team Cha their quarterback brought
in their guy, have a bunch of guys on defense
that most people don't know that well. Besides, her Tain
probably gonna be a playoff team as well. There's a
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reason these guys are making fifteen eighteen million dollars because
if you got Eberflus and I got Sean Payton or
Jim Harbaugh, I have an exponentially better chance to be
playing in the middle of January than you do. We
both could lose a bad game, we both could win
a bad game during the regular season, but over the
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course of the year, it's advantaged me. And it's why
I was always so critical on the Chargers, Like I
like so many of your players. You went from Drew
Brees to Philip Rivers to Justin Herbert. That's pretty damn good.
The overwhelming majority of the NFL would have died for
that twenty five year run. But when you refuse to
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pay coaches any money, you can't complain about underwhelming and
missing the playoffs all the time. He said, you know what,
screw it here, Jim Harbaugh. Here is five years, sixteen
million dollars a year. Oh, you want to bring Jesse Mentor,
who's clearly one of the better defensive coordinators in the league.
How much he gonna cost, Well, he's about three million bucks. Okay,
here's three million bucks. How much your total staff gonna cost?
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Dramatically more money than you've ever paid anybody. That's what
we gotta do. Because you're watching the Chargers, you're watching
the Broncos. They're not exactly rolling out superstar players at
all these positions. Yet they have good coaches, they have
guys that know what they're doing, and they're both gonna
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probably like a seventy five percent chance both make the playoffs.
I think there's one hundred percent chance one of them
makes the playoffs. If I was a betting man, I
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What is going on? Everybody? How are we doing? Hopefully
everyone had a fun time watching Monday night football. We
had a barn burd halftime nine nine. But the Steelers
Mike Tomlin and most importantly Russell Wilson and the deep
ball pull away. They're six and two. So the Steelers
go to six and two. The Giants meanwhile go to
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two and six and have parlayed that offseason hard knocks
where everyone was making fun of him into a bad
season which most people saw coming. So we'll talk about
this game. We'll hit on from Tomlin to Russell to
Daniel Jones, the day ball. A lot going on, big
picture with these teams. We'll do a little my penthouse
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in my outhouse. We got some stinkers in the outhouse.
I mean, this outhouse has turned into a lot of
like a porta potty. That's what's going on, and we
have a new addition and Rogers might be involved. Got
to hit on the viral video of Tyreek Stevenson and
kind of what I would do if I ran the Bears.
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Anthony Richardson tapping out in that game was something I
wasn't really alerted to until this morning because I had
the game on mute, so you just can't quite So
I saw that video go viral, It's like damn. Then
we'll hit on some other football stuff. No mail bag today,
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got to start this off with a hat tip and
a salute and just you know, an overall thumbs up
to Mike Tomblin because one, I think a lot of
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people that listen definitely to me and Colin when we
do our shows me over the years, think I'm like
a Tomlin hater. It's impossible to not think Mike Tomlin
is a good coach, but we're also when you go
to the playoffs and have a winning record every year,
you get compared to the other really good coaches, and
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he hasn't won a playoff game in a long time.
And coming into this season, I thought they were gonna
be worse. I thought that nine ten wins of getting
in as the seventh seed and being one and done,
I thought this would be the year they don't even
make the playoffs. I was wrong. At six and two.
They could cruise the second half of the season and
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go five and four and have eleven wins and be
a lock wild card team. But it's clear that they
have a very very good chance to win the division.
And the move he made two weeks ago, as he
said It's why I'm so highly compensated. I thought was insane. Uh,
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not just because I don't think. I didn't think Russell
Wilson was good anymore, but it was working what they
were doing, playing defense, running justin fields, and he saw
something that was not sustainable. And we say it all
the time, like when guys go from coordinators two head coaches.
A lot of you guys listening or watching, I'm sure
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going positions where you start managing people, you're in charge,
and you realize it's a lot different when you're just
giving suggestions than the one making the decisions. And listen,
I wasn't alone when I thought, like, you're gonna go
to Russell Wilson one. I didn't even believe him. I
thought he was messing with the Jets. And then when
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they go into the locker room with George Pickens like
that Thursday or Friday, and they're trying to be mom
about it, he's like, hey, he's a starting quarterback. We've
been working after practice. It was pretty clear like yeah,
this is happening. And then in that game started rocky.
By the end, clearly they are a much better passing
team tonight, though it was a game changer for them,
and he made that decision simply because and listen, Justin
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Fields deserves a lot of credit and he's going to
extend his career for a long time. Is he a
starting quarterback in this league. It's probably gonna be difficult
for him to be moving forward. But when you become
a backup, two things have to be accounted for your character,
your work ethic, because a lot of it's not playing,
how you are during the week, how you are in practice,
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how your teammates like him. He has been really impressive
in this situation because when you get yanked and your
team's winning, he could have handled it more poorly or
just not I mean poorly in general. He didn't handle
it poorly at all. He could have just I don't know,
created a little bit of a stink, had his agent
link some stuff, just been pissed off and publicly. And
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it feels like the way he was with Russell Wilson
on the sideline the night, couldn't have handled it any better.
That's maturity. That that's called being a pro. And we
always say like not we but coaches always say they
love saying this. You gotta be a pro. You gotta
be a pro. There's also a human element to this
that he was able to kind of shove to the side,
keep his head down be a pro. And it's been
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really impressive. But they obviously don't have the running element anymore.
With Russell Wilson. They ran like a quarterback sweep tonight.
My guess is they ran that just to get that
on film to keep defenses. Honest, Russell's not a runner.
He got like three steps and slid immediately. Like that
element that Justin Field's had is gone from their game.
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But they go, who cares, we want him to throw
the ball and throw the ball downfield. And in the
first half they easily should have had a touchdown to
George Pickens, who only got the one foot down twice.
One takeaway I had tonight from that play, which by
the letter of the law, is the right call. If
you get the same foot down two separate times before
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you go out of bounds and you're second foot never touches.
That should count. Like if you watch that play, I
don't think there's a human alive that goes that's not
a catch. But it wasn't, and they had to settle
for all these field goals, and it's whatever the score
is at halftime nine to nine. The Steelers easily could
have been up seventeen to nine or seventeen to six
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at halftime like they were moving the ball forty three
yards deep ball to George Pickens, thirty six yards deep,
ball to Van Jefferson, little underthrown. I think one thing
that's pretty evident his arm strength. In the peak of
his powers. The guy that I saw beat the shit
out of the Niners in the middle of the twenty tens.
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It's not quite as potent, but it's still pretty good.
He hit the touchdown pass to Austin, the little return
guy who's dynamic little receiver as well. Friar moved down
the field for a first down for eleven yards Darnell
Washington on a crossing route. He was twenty of twenty
eight for two hundred and eighty yards. And to me,
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that ball and that pressure of being able to flip
the field with explosive plays was definitely something they didn't
really have with justin fields and it would happen every
so often, but Russell is not gonna pick you apart
over the middle of the field. That's always been the
knock on him, right, he doesn't like throwing over the
middle of the field. And then over the last couple
of years he's become a dink and dunk guy and
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not willing to push it and clearly whatever Tomlin does,
which makes him, you know, one of the better coaches
of his generation, a guy that everyone in the league respects,
and a guy that just never loses, a guy that
just never loses. Because you can't tell me if you
take Justin Fields and Russell Wilson. The Giants were sniffing
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around on Russell Wilson. If you put Russell Wilson on
that team, it's just not working. It's simply not It's
not exactly like Pittsburgh has the ninety three Dallas Cowboys
offensive line blocking for him. But you watch it and
you go, yeah, I could see this getting a little
bit better. And honestly, there were some signs tonight where
I said it a week ago, I was like, I
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don't know if this team can win a playoff game.
Then Baltimore loses, and now you go, obviously they don't
play each other, I think for a couple more weeks,
and then again toward the end of the season, so
if you just handle business there now one curveball for
both those two teams is that if you told me
the Deshaun Watson Because Baltimore just played Cleveland, Pittsburgh has
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not played Cleveland yet, so they both still have three
remaining games. Pittsburgh has two and Baltimore has one more
remaining with Cleveland. If you told me Deshaun Watson was
starting all those games, I would say, pretty good chance
it was a four to zero sweep by the two teams.
Worst case scenario, maybe Cleveland just gets one game at home,
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makes the game weird some fumbles. Well, that dramatically changed
because the Cleveland team you saw yesterday that took out Baltimore,
like that's a real team and that's a team now
obviously they beat Baltimore, but like they could be Pittsburgh
as well, And that's something you didn't really have to
factor in before because no one took them. Like Deshaun
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Watson wasn't beating this team the way he was playing
early in the season. Rips's Achilles Jamison bombs away and
it's a tough opponent. So that's something to keep an
eye on if you're a Steeler Raven fan. Right. But
I just think that this passing element post Roethlisberger when
they went with the Rudolphs, and they went with the
Duck Hodges, and then a couple of years with Kenny Pickett,
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it was a joke. And Fields, who I think played
much better this season than he even did last year
when everyone was trying to act like he was a
good player. Still as very flawed as a passer. And
while Russell has things you would like him to be
better at, that willingness and that touch on the deep route,
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on the go route, on just deeper breaking grounds, he
will just let it loose and he's confident in it
rip even though sometimes it's just and listen, Van Jefferson,
make a play on the ball. Obviously, George Pickens, with
that big body, I don't even care if it's a
little under thrown as a fifty to fifty ball. We'll
let our blue chip premium guy go up and make
a play. You throw a fifty to fifty ball to
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our big ass tight end that we just extended. Okay,
we'll live with it. You probably got to be pretty
accurate when you're throwing it to Austin, and he was
tonight hit him in stride, easy touched him. So that
was an impressive It's just an impressive organizational little stretch
here by Mike Tomlin, by the Steelers, by Russell and
Justin Fields. I said this, and I've been hammering this
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point home because when I went to the combine, it's
just so clear. So many of these teams have no
fucking shot. It's like you got no shot. It's got
to be incredible if you're an owner of one of
these teams, because you're gonna make money no matter what.
Your team can blow, your team can win one or
two games every year for a decade straight, you get
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the same check from the league as the Dallas Cowboys,
the forty nine Ers, or the Pittsburgh Steelers. It doesn't matter.
But there is a reason the same teams consistently compete
in the playoffs and have winning records. And obviously Tomlin
the Steelers organization. You watch the night like there are
certain players that were just born to play for certain teams,
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and to me, TJ. Watt just feels I mean, obviously
he's a Pittsburgh Steeler, but like it's just a match
made in heaven, like that guy was born to play
for that brand. To play in front of those fans
and to play on that unit for that organization, you know,
it wouldn't have been the same fight he like PJ.
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Watt even the same level of players on like the
Jags or the Dolphins. Right, it just it feels right.
And he was an absolute dominant menace tonight. And when
they have high Smith healthy as well, and you got
to go into must passing situations, you are fucked like
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you're in major trouble, especially if you're a situation like
the Giants where you got backup offensive linemen in and
they ate them live. As the game went on, and
the Giants honestly played probably one of their better games
of the season. You saw Brian day ball early on, like, like,
the Steelers just look like the Steelers do. That's how
they play at ten am games, That's how they play
Sunday night games, how they play Thursday night games. Like
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most of their games look in a similar vein Now,
they were more explosive down the field than in recent
memory because of Russell, but the vibe of their game
is very similar. Right, they get this freak fumble, the
Giants fall on it late in the game, It's like, God,
the Giants score here, Well they got to get a
two point conversion two because they did your classical analytical
(15:50):
you're down fourteen, you go for two when you score,
which I totally understand unless you're the fucking Giants. You
have scored ten point total in two games. Let's just
try to tie the game. You struggle to move the ball,
let alone score the ball, and then the two point
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play they ran, as Troy Aikman said, was an embarrassment,
Tyreek Stevens says. Stevenson says, thanks, guys, you might want
to focus up because no one was paying attention on
that play and Malik Neighbors got immediately tackled. You go
for two when your offense is terrible. Like, all things
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are not equal. The Giants are no guarantee to ever
gain a yard, especially against the Pittsburgh Steelers. Let's just
go down a touchdown. Maybe something weird happens, we'll tie
it up with a touchdown. But of course you go
for two because the analytics, we're trying to win the game.
Win the game, just see if we can tie the game. Like,
let's just let's take baby steps. What do they say
(16:55):
you gotta crawl then walk, then run, like, let's not
try to sprint here before you can just take two
steps moving forward. And you know, the Steelers six and two,
very very impressive, and the Giants, like you could tell
Brian Daboll wanted that. And this is why you always
gotta be careful when you gamble on you know, Monday
(17:18):
night games, especially as the season goes on, because you
will get I think now I have to relook exactly
what the rules are for the flexes, but you will
have bad teams play really good teams and you'll go, ah,
this is gonna be a blowout, and all of a sudden,
it'll be the third quarter and it'll be a tie game.
Because these coaches make a ton of money, these players
(17:38):
have a lot of pride, like they're human beings. They
understand playing in a solo game on primetime on Monday
night is a big deal, and you get an extra
day to prepare and you usually throw the kitchen sink,
not just schematically, but effort wise. You play harder than
you typically do. Sad to say, but it's kind of true.
And it felt like early on in that the New
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York Giants like, ah, this is as harder you've seen
him play all season long. Brian Dabell doesn't want to
get regardless of what his record is, doesn't want to
get embarrassed on Monday Night football by a team that's,
you know, going to cruise to eleven or twelve wins.
And I think this is the hard part about their
situation because, like it's been well reported that they don't
(18:23):
want to fire Brian Daball or Joe Shane. They would
like this to work. I think Brian Daball deserves to
get a little time because it kind of hit me
tonight watching them play. I think Daniel Jones is by
far the worst type athlete and definitely worst type quarterback.
Think about this. He looks the part. He's like six ' five.
(18:48):
He's a really good athlete. He's it's he's like six five,
two twenty. He's a good athlete. He's a high character,
smart guy, knows all the plays, tough at shit. Teammates
like him, so he checks the coaches like him, checks
all these boxes. Arm's good, not great, but listen, Alex Smith.
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We've seen a lot of guys have long careers without howitzers.
But then he plays and you're like, I don't know,
Like I've been watching football long enough to know this
doesn't work, and we've been saying that now for years.
But there's only one game a week. So then you
go back to Tuesday and Wednesday, and he's the first
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guy in the building. He's studying the hardest, he knows
the game plan. By Wednesday, he knows all the plays,
he knows all the defensive looks, he's helping the other
players out. Coaches love him. And then the game starts again.
And if day Ball had hair like myself, he would
pull it all out, but we don't, so we can't.
So you just go, what the hell am I watching?
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And it feels like a consistent theme with guys like this.
He's just talented enough to constantly tease you, and just
I mean and bad enough to com Still he lose
you games. Now, it's not all his fault, but it's
hard to watch Daniel Jones play and go I don't know, like,
I don't think this really works anywhere, even the Alex
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Smith komp. I don't think he could have played like
Alex Smith the way Alex did with the forty nine
ers and even early on with the Chiefs because he
does a lot of things where you just what the
hell was that. So if he ever was going to
be a really good player with the skill set that
he has, he would be a no mistake guy. He
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would never make a mistake, and he to me, he
would be a lot more accurate than he is, and
to me his accuracy is just very, very hit or miss.
But I think the Giants clearly he won't be the
quarterback next year. But back to the day ball thing, Okay,
you keep him next year. I do think after that
Hard Knocks came out, it's hard for anyone that falls football,
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specifically the Giants fans, to take their general manager seriously.
Like you don't have to have worked in an NFL
front office, you don't have to under have to like
understand the true inner workings of free agency in the draft.
If you were just a fan of football to watch
that and go this, this doesn't feel right. And I'm
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not even specifically talking about the Saquon not signing him
or signing him. I'm just talking about like, Daves, what
are you thinking, Dave's who do you want? And as
someone in the NFL told me, it's like if that
was just for cameras. Why would you let that out
because it makes you look so bad, not just to
the fans, but your other peers in the league. So
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I think it is fair to say that we have
to take the way that he approached that as face value.
But here's the problem with firing a GM and keeping
the coach that then you get this new GM to
come in. He gives like him a year trial run,
and then you're just all out of whack and watching
the Yankee game tonight, obviously they're getting embarrassed right now.
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In the World Series, did you hear what I just said?
In the World Series, and Brian Cashman takes a lot
of shit. The Giants fans would sell their left leg
to have the level of competence of Brian Cashman running
their operation. Look at the New York Mets. They get
rid of the owner, they hire or he sells the
(22:23):
team to Steve Cohen, and they just feel like a
real operation. The New York Knicks, who for the majority
of my adult life have sucked. And then these last
couple of years, they get Leon Rose, they get Tibbs,
they have this vision, They get Jalen Brunson. Now we'll
see if their moves this year payoff. Trading for Karl
(22:44):
Anthony Towns. But hey, sometimes you take a big swing
to take the next step. But we know they're gonna
be good because it feels like they're really well run.
And then you look at the two football teams that
owners are completely different. One guy is just very what
I think. I think John Marra, I think very presidential.
I think very like country club, just old school. When
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I think Woody, I just think kind of rich kid,
crazy ass nut job. But both guys wealthy, owned very
valuable franchises and they're both in chambeles. They're both in chambeles.
I would say Woody's version is worse when you factor
in Aaron Rodgers as their quarterback and Daniel Jones at
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the Giants quarterback. But what they both have in common
is in a league that is just you know, determined
and judged on. You can tell me about your process
all day long, and coaches love doing that. I say
this all the time. The only reason people were obsessed
with Nick Saban's process because he won seven national titles.
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Nick Saban had never won a national title. No one
would give a shit about his process. It's results oriented
business and the results for the two football teams. But
I mean, the Giants aren't that much different football wise
than the Jets. It just feels a little bit less,
maybe disastrous, because they don't have this high water mark
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that everyone expected because they had Aaron Rodgers. The expectations
were low because of Daniel Jones. But they're in shambles.
And now you look at their division, like, obviously the
Cowboys suck, they're still better than the Giants. Now the
Commanders have real leadership, have a real coach, have a
real gm have a quarterback. They're only gonna get better.
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And the Eagles, you know, kind of shook off some
craziness early in the season. You know, let's face it,
the Eagles have mainly been good for the last twenty years,
so like they don't win the Super Bowl every year,
but for the most part, they're winning double digit games.
And the Giants have fired. You know, gone how many
coaches post Tom Coughlin. They're on their fourth, who feels like,
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in a weird way, maybe maybe not as fighting for
his job now in the year three, after all, three
of the other guys only made it two years. So
this is a franchise in a lot of turmoil, and
we got a front row seat in that hard knocks.
That was pretty embarrassing. Like I'll promise you this, I
just don't think the Steelers, you know, would ever feel
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like that. It doesn't mean every organization's perfect. Every organization's
perfectly buttoned up and knows what they're doing on every
single move and gets everything right and there's not disagreement,
But that was I've never experienced anything like that as
just a fan of football, watching it on TV, having
been in these meetings and seeing the way these guys talk,
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that's hard to shake. For the jam. So props to
the Steelers, Props to Mike Tomlin. If you're a Steeler fan,
you should be fired up teams not just in first place,
but you guys have played good football. You play Steeler football.
Run the fucking ball. Najee Harris looks awesome and he's
someone who I falled since high school too, high school
fifteen minutes away from me where I lived in the
Bay Area, followed his career at Alabama, and obviously watched
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it close. This is the best football he's played so
far in his NFL career. His physicalness his speed, he
looks explosive. Obviously we know Jalen Warren kind of brings
a little change of pace. How many yards they run
for atnite almost one hundred and seventy yards nas he
ran for one hundred and fourteen average six yards to carry.
So if I'm a Steeler fan, I'm feeling pretty good.
Headed to work tomorrow. Let's do a quick my penhouse
(26:38):
in my outhouse. Listen, it doesn't get any better than
the crib and the mansion that the Chiefs are living in,
even when they don't play that well, even when they
just don't even try that hard, and they cruise do
an easy victory if it wasn't for a backdoor cover.
That's twenty seven to thirteen easyw for Kansas City. And
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let's face it, you can nitpick all you want, like, oh,
they've barely won this game. They shouldn't have won that game.
Like you're gonna look up and they're gonna be fifteen
and two. And they've added Hopkins who had three catches
or maybe it was two catches for twenty nine yards,
and they added Today from the New England Patriots. So
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you had an offensive guy, a defensive guy you already
have a good team, Like I just have faith just
in their whole operation. Now they are no lock to
win the Super Bowl, but the way everything's playing out
right now, they're gonna get home field. So you can
nitpick them all you want. Tell me who's betting against
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the Chiefs hosting playoff games? And when you're the number
one seed, you're the only squad that gets to buy.
So I've said it from the beginning. They are on scholarship,
in the nicest penthouse, in the biggest mansion, are living
like fucking kinks. You win a game fifty two to
fourteen when your quarterback throws for less than one hundred yards.
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If you told me this there was a game in
the NFL, because I would believe it in college, because
a guy could run for like four hundred yards and
score six or seven touchdowns. In the NFL, I would
say it'd be borderline statistically impossible, because you'd probably need
a huge rushing game and then multiple defensive scores to
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have a quarterback throw for under one hundred yards and
win a game fifty two to fourteen or just score
fifty two points. That that feels like a statistical anomaly.
But it also feels a lot like the Detroit Lions,
who when you lose Hutchinson, you never know, like how
are you gonna shake off that emotional letdown? And listen,
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they still got to be sniffing around for trades. They
still need to make a move. But you lose Jamison
Williams to I wish we would just say what they
got in trouble for, Like no one cares, like you did,
a little steroids, a little cocaine, whatever it was. Can
you just put what he got to spend it for?
Was it because he was injured he was trying to rehab,
Like I don't care. I don't think most people care.
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But we know you got spend it for pds, Like
for what? But you lose them and then you're like,
well they lose their speed element and you're looking up
and Gibbs is going ninety yards on a run. It's
like this, this is this is even fair? And the
Titans will get to it a little bit. But props
Alliance because last year they had one of the greatest
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seasons in the history of the franchise, and then to
come back this season look like they've looked for most
of the year I know they hit. That game against
Tampa was weird, but for the most part, God, they've
been impressive. I you know, I struggled. I could have
just left it at that. I really could have, because listen,
playing a divisional game with jamis like, it sucks to
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lose that game if you're the I don't think that
differently of you. I think Cleveland's a very tough place
to play. You do have a major, major flaw, like
your past defense and your coverage for a team that
had one of the best defenses statistically in recent memory
last year, a complete defense, Like you have a problem,
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and it's like, no matter who you play, you are very,
very susceptible. And it creeped its head in last you know,
two days ago, and it's bigger reason you lost. Now
I understand that Kyle Hamilton should have caught the ball. Well, yeah,
par even when your guys are given opportunities to make plays,
they dropped the ball, hit them right in the bread basket.
It was like, and it wasn't even some frozen rope.
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It was a little lollipop pass. But you lose to
Cleveland with jamis like I gotta boot you out. I'm
tempted to throw the Bills in there if we're just
doing it on a weekly basis. Like I watched a
lot of that Seattle game. It was raining, it was
bad weather, and they beat the shit shit out of Seattle.
They destroyed them. Keon Coleman's coming on the knock on
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him was like he can't get open. It's like, yeah,
he's like six ' three, throw him up, let him
make contested catches. Use a Marii Cooper who didn't do
anything in the game. But you know, I think the
question with Amar is when you say it, Mari Cooper,
I don't really think cold weather. I don't really think
inclement weather. Tough conditions not really his thing, you know,
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like DeAndre Hopkins, his style of play should translate well
Amri's you know, I don't know, uh, but you watch
James Cook run the ball. We know Sean McDermot is
one of the better defensive coaches. You get nervous in
these big games with them. They've done stupid stuff. But
I'm a believer in the Bills. So they're like poking
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their head in, you know, screaming at Dan Campbell and
Andy Reid. They're the only team that's kind of on
the fridge. It's hard with the Packers. They got some
quarterback injuries. Minnesota. You're gone, Houston, like, I'm sorry, your
record's good. I have a bet on you to get
the number one seed with your injuries. You lose digs. Now,
Nico's already gone. You get the Jets held. You might
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be seven and two, but you just haven't played that well.
Uh so, Yeah, it's it's cheeks just kind of chilling,
cruising down the road by themselves, like the fifty cent meme.
You know when he looks and he smiles and drives
off the outhouse. You know, in the summer, if you're
at like a concert and you gotta go, like the
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only place to go to the bathroom is the porta pottis,
and there's that line and it's like one hundred and
ten degrees and if you you know, eat something bad
and it's like I gotta, I gotta go, And you're
getting that thing and probably seventy five people have used
it over the last day and a half. It reeks.
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You can't breathe. There's this like shit humidity piss mix
in the air and you can't breathe. But you have
to go. That to me would be the Panthers. Like
that is Panthers football. They are so bad. They even
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ask Sean Payton after the game. People can talk shit
about Sean Payton all they want. You gotta appreciate Hell,
He'll just say how he feels. They're like, hey, Sean,
your defense is really rolling. He's like, yeah, their offense stinks.
That wasn't exactly verbatim what he said, but he's like, yeah,
their offense isn't any good. I mean, the Panthers are
an abomination. It just doesn't get any worse, canalis Bryce Young.
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I watched some highlights of that game today. H God,
that's it's the porta potty in the peak of summer,
and we all know when you open that door, that
little latch and you're just you're just desperate for some air,
some fresh air, and it that's the Panthers. I don't
even know what to say about the Titans. I love Nashville.
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Getting married in Nashville Stadium's going to be sweet. They stink,
I mean they stink. They actually aren't that far away
from Porta Potti's status. I just like a couple more
players on their team. But you lose a game fifty
two to fourteen. It was thirty five to fourteen and
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a half. I feel I didn't watch the end of
that game, but did Dan Campbell call off the Dogs?
I mean, that's that's pretty bad man. The Panthers and
Titans are going nowhere fast, and I think we just
got to add this team, the Patriots. They're out they
win a game, right, Even the Giants, you just watch
them play like they're not. I can't compare them to
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the Titans or the Panthers. But when you lose to
the Patriots in a game where you don't have a
timeout after the first quarter because you blew all three
of them on delay of game situations. Someone reminded me
of this situation today. I think they had a ten
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play drive when they score to take the lead against
the Patriots with I forget exactly how much times on
the clock. Was it two fifty or three minutes or something?
So as you're driving, you know, hey, if we score,
you have eyes. You took basic math and elementary like, well,
we need a two point conversion, So have a two
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point conversion play called immediately when you score, or even
in the huddle like Hey, Aaron, if we score here,
this is gonna be our two point play. Get him
up in the huddle. Instead, they score, and they've already
they've already had a million delay of game situations throughout
the game. They get a delay of game on the
two point conversion, and then when they run the play,
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they barely make it past the five yard line. Aaron
Rodgers a shell of himself, There's just no way around it.
And if he was gonna be a shell of himself
and a bottom like wherever the middle line is of
just the you know, like the sixteenth, fifteenth, seventeenth quarterback
kind of that range, if he was on the wrong
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side of that, the Jets were absolutely screwed. And Colin's
taken a lot of shit over the years for being
critical of Aaron, just with his leadership and some stuff.
It's kind of showing like at the end of the day,
you're the most important guy here at the moment, not
the coaching, not Jeff Ulbrick who's never been a head coach,
not Todd down Downing who's been fired by like five
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different teams. Like, Aaron, can can you just lead us
to a couple of victories and he's incapable of doing
that right now, he really is. He's incapable of doing it,
and he's listen, I've defended him with like no one
gives a shit in twenty twenty four about his vaccine
status and most people didn't care at the time, beside
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the media. The darkness retreats and stuff like that. Stuff
gets so overblown, but like this is a moment, like, hey, man,
can you just kind of rally the fucking troops because
like back to what I said about that, like the
players didn't care, they didn't care at all, But this
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is a moment where they got a young team and
everyone's kind of looking around. It's like when Tom Brady's
like follow me, follow me to freedom. As Charlie Steiner
once said, Peyton Manning when he went to Denver Broncos
kind of just feels like Aaron just like, eh, let eron,
I'm cool and the team is just it's a joke,
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it really is. Now they're not as bad as the
Panthers or the Titans, but when you factor in how
bad that losses, like you could put it on equal
footing of getting beat fifty two to fourteen by the
Detroit Lions, like losing to the New England Patriots in
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the fashion in which you lost to him. It's just
borderline if you're a fan, like it feels like unforgivable,
Like I can't even look at this team, and then
they play Thursday night. I didn't even realize that till
this morning. It's like, wait, it's Jets Texans. They lose
the Texans. I mean, they might as well just buy
that whole strip of Porta potties. That whole strip of
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Porta potties, like a Taylor Swift concert is probably the world.
It have to be like a hard rock or like
a country concert, not just little girls, because I would imagine,
like Taylor Swift, the Porta potties probably smell a lot
better than some of the concerts I've been to. But
that would be the Jets, the whole strip, like the
twenty straight Porta potties. Okay, let's hit on a couple
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other things around the NFL. One of the big stories
of Monday morning. I missed this exact incident on day night.
I saw it at the end after, you know, I
recorded with Colin after the afternoon games, and again on
the Sunday night games, and then I recorded our own
podcast really late, so I didn't see the Tyreek Stevenson
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viral video, which I would say is the biggest viral
video so far of the NFL season, and I do
think it'll be pretty tough to top that moment for
the young man. Obviously, it was really embarrassing and it's
something that good teams can never tolerate. Now, I'm not
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some moral high horse guy when it comes to sports,
like I know what I'm involved in. I'm really not
just in general in the business world like this. We
live in a bottom line society and in football it's
about winning and losing, and businesses about making fucking money. Like,
I'm not one of those media guys. I don't even
consider myself a media guy that likes to pound my
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chest and lecture people on stuff. And I'm not like
it funny seeing everyone say they should cut the guy. Well, one,
he's a starter and one of the better defense in
the league and has been a starter from the moment
he was drafted. He's part of the Carolina trade that
landed the Panthers Bryce Young. He's been an excellent player
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for them. People make mistakes now, sometimes our mistakes are
worse than others, and for a player that's about as
bad as you get. That jumps the shark on just
being an embarrassing moment, on being a moment where the
coaches chew your ass out the following week that comes
like the entire city thinks you lost them a football game, because,
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let's face it, he kind of did. He wasn't paying
attention the ball snapped, he looks they're already running. His
job is to actually ebra flu said it, to get
the guy that caught the ball. Well, he's so discombobulated
because the player's already started. He just kind of runs
to the scrum and obviously he ends up tipping the
ball to Noah Brown. So it was one of the
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bigger individual disaster plays you'll ever see from a defensive player.
You could argue, given the scenario and the context of
the game, the actual that it's a hail Mary, it's
one of the worst NFL plays from an individual you
will ever see. But like, you're not cutting this guy one.
If you did cut him, which again they never would,
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he would be claimed by thirty one teams in the NFL.
So the Carolina Panthers, I'm pretty sure they have the
worst record. Uh maybe that I don't know. I don't
have the whoever has the you know it's tiebreaker. There
are some obviously one win teams. Whoever is top of
the waiver wire claim would claim him, he'd be gone.
So you're not cutting the guy. But this is a
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teachable moment, and to me, this is a reflection of
your locker room because that was a game where you
were getting out played and if it wasn't for your defense,
who was holding this team to field goals, you could
have been down like twenty four to nothing because they
were kicking your ass. But your defense is playing their
balls off. Montes Sweat looks like Lawrence Taylor flying around
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chasing Jayden Daniels. I don't know. It feels like besides,
like Kyler and Lamar one of the fastest guys in
the league at quarterback, and they're doing everything humanly possible
even though your offense isn't doing crap to keep you
in the game. And then in the fourth quarter, you
got Sweat busting off a fifty five sixty yard run.
You got Caleb pulling plays out of his ass getting
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chased around. You got Keenan making plays. DJ Moore making
plays obviously sweat making plays like those guys did everything
to stay locked in even when times were the toughest
to win. You a football game on the road, clearly
against a good team, and we lose because of that moment.
So you're not gonna cut him and like having a
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stern talking do in the office, I don't think that
does anything. I think you got a draw a line
in this end to your locker room. This will never
be tolerated here because there are a lot of guys
on this team. We're gonna be on the team for
the foreseeable future. And whether they make the playoffs or
not this year, I don't think they're going to. But
the game plan over the next several years will be
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to make the playoffs every year with the talent we
have on this roster. And eber Flus, because he's literally
coaching for his job, clearly he's gonna want this guy
to play come Sunday. Why he's playing the Arizona Cardinals,
who offensively can be a major major problem. Well, guess
who's not going anywhere? The general manager And to me,
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this is an easy BP fastball for the GM to
draw a line in the sand, make him in active
for a game, and just show everyone else in that
locker room, not only do I appreciate everything you did,
what happened on Sunday in Washington will never ever be
tolerated here Again, Tyree Stevenson, He's not going anywhere. He's
gonna be a part of this team. He's gonna obviously
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really learn from this moment. But like, to me, that's
the move, and we'll see what they do. Ben him
for a quarter, Like, it's not about that. It's about
because like benching for a quarter, how does that change
what just happened to me? It's about letting every young
guy on the roster, starting with your quarterback, like, I
want you to know that like the thing we're building
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here and what we stand for and what this organization
represents in terms of winning culture. Would Belichick? Would Andy Reid?
Can you imagine that happening for Dan Campbell, Jim or
John Harbot, Mike Tomlin what they would do in that
moment with that instance of that individual player. So I
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think it's an easy one for the Chicago Bears to
just to show their team that that's not okay, and
we appreciate everyone that laid it on the line from
start to finish in that game, because most of their
guys did, they played winning or put themselves in a
position to win the game in the fourth quarter of
the Bears definitely played winning football offensively and defensively. Coaches
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screwed up with the full back tipe to the offensive lineman.
Speaking of locker room, I do think the Cults are
in a very precarious situation. Obviously, their quarterback has gone
viral throughout the season for I don't know, not being
able to complete passes. And like we learned in Cleveland,
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when Joe Flacco is on your team, if your quarterback
is not playing well, he's better than you, or he's
better than that guy and should be starting. We saw
in Cleveland major upgrade we saw in Indy he came in.
Offense looks dramatically better. As we sit here on October
twenty eighth, I think it's universally agreed upon that today
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Joe Flacco is a better player than Anthony Richson. But
this was another one of those situations yesterday. Because I
don't have the volume on the game. If I don't
pay attention for a play and something happens. You don't
really know what happens unless you see on social media later,
or obviously you just watch the highlight shows and you
figure out like, wait, Anthony Richardson tapped out of the
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game for a play. Oh, he was injured or something
tweaked his shoulder or his hipoca, No, he was winded.
And I thought about it a lot today because I
saw Pat McAfee asking Belichick about it, and I thought
about the viral video that from the Netflix Quarterback series
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when the Chiefs are in the playoffs and Mahomes hurts
his ankle and Andy Reid is telling him to go
to the locker room with Rick Burkeholder the trainer and
get an X ray, and Pat is dog cussing him,
refusing to go. Matt Nagge comes over, talks to him,
The trainer talks to him, and then finally Eric b
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Enemy comes talk to him and they all tell him
you gotta go get an X ray, and he is
just dropping f ward every other sentence, refusing to go.
And when you watch Lamar, no quarterback I've ever seen
runs around more and I have never thought for one
second even when he's played bad, and I've been critical
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of him like in a playoff game that he ain't
laying it on the line, and his competitive character is
not elite. So you think of the best quarterbacks you're
playing in the AFC, If you're the Colts, the best
team with the best quarterback has ten out of ten
competitive character. I would say Lamar Jackson's competitive character ten
out of ten. Oh, that other team that's five and
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two and gonna be probably a thirteen to fourteen win team,
the Buffalo Bills. I would put Josh Allens at a
ten out of ten. So the three, honestly three of
the better quarterbacks I've seen in my lifetime when it
just comes to physical skills, when it comes to accomplishments,
when it comes to ability, and when it comes to competitiveness.
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You would have to drag those fucking guys off the
field to have them miss a play in a big
game against a division rival in the second half on
third in goal. They wouldn't tap out of the game
if there was a pot of gold outside the stadium.
So to seeing Anthony Riginson tap out, I went, do
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we have to question his competitive character? Is it just
simply while he's tired, he runs more than some guys,
it's like, well, Lamar runs all the time, Kyler runs
all the time. And I was talking with some scouts
and one said, you know, Johnny's never really played. He
was injured in high school, he was injured early in Florida,
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and his one season at Florida they went six and six,
so half the games didn't even matter, and then he
was injured. Last year he's been injured again. And I thought, well, okay,
Because I do think through experiences you build up stuff,
whether it's confidence, whether it's understanding of your sport, of
your craft. I also think once you hit a certain age,
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they were like innate competitive traits that you either have
or you don't. I think a lot of people listening
to this, whatever business or industry you're in, whether you
have them, the people you work for them, you have
them when you're around people that are really really competitive financially. Obviously,
in sports it's about winning and losing. It is something
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that you cannot mistake or fake. And some people are
just a little I would say lacks when it comes
to that. And I do think you have to question
how the rest of the locker room because this gets
to the Bears thing like, even if I really like
Tyrek Stevenson, like, this is our job. We are paid
to win these games, and if we don't, if we
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miss the playoffs, if a new coach comes in, the
majority of guys on this roster are not Montese Sweat
Jalen Johnson and Caleb Williams or DJ Moore. Most guys
are fighting for their fucking jobs on a yearly, weekly basis.
In the NFL. Obviously, if you're a veteran player, once
you make week one yr contract is guaranteed for the
rest of the season, but definitely on a weekly or
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a yearly basis. It's like, we can't afford to lose guys,
and I'm watching the Colts lose that game. His stats
were horrendous. I saw someone breaking down, like some of
those were drops. It's like, okay, Like, you don't just
become forty four percent passer on the season because your
wide receivers are dropping a lot of balls. He's an
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inaccurate passer, but it's like, Okay, we got a project.
We drafted him fourth overall. I can live like this
is what I went into business with. I cannot live
with that competitive character question mark because now it's been
one thing. Listen. We had durability concerns, we had accuracy concerns,
and now the number one concern is, like I've seen
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so many former players that have said, in all my
life of being around football, I have never seen this ever,
Like it's been universally agreed upon. It never happens. It
happens when you're hurt, and usually that guy's kind of
limping off or laying on the ground. He tapped out
like he's Alvin Kamar or Christian McCaffery or Derreck Henry
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after a fifty yard run. The quarterback and the five
offensive lineman never come out of the game ever, if
they are not injured. I think if you're a Colts fan,
you've tried to rationalize the inaccuracies, the amount he's going
to have to grow to be competitive at the highest level.
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But I think you were hoping, like, hey, everything, we
hear high character people like him, But now we got
competitive question marks. To me, those are non starters. You
don't have a snowballs chance in hell to compete in
that conference against the competitive level of guy that you
have to play, who are already infinitely better players, and
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that you know, to get Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen or
Patrick Mahomes out of a game, they would have to
have a serious, serious injury. You almost have to chock
it up to in the loss. And I saw a
headline the day that Shane Steichen, I think, in a
call to the media, said that they're still evaluating who's
going to be their starting quarterback. I think the decision
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was made for you the moment he tapped his helmet.
You have to start Joe Flacco. Now you got to
whether this guy's out of shape, whatever the deal is,
we got to do some soul searching here because that
can never be okay. When Jonathan Taylor, I mean, they
got random guys on defense that were playing their ass
off in that game. That can't be accepted because if
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it is accepted, Listen, a lot of people in the
NFL make fun of the Colts because they think Chris
Ballard is well liked by a lot of people in
the media, and he kind of gets a pass. I
don't even know the guy, and I've been pretty optimistic
when I talk about him. But if Joe Flacco's not
their starting quarterback this year, like I'm sorry, their organization
is a joke one. I mean, Flacco is just clearly
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a better player right now, but to that specific incident,
I just don't see how his teammates can take him seriously. Last,
but not least, I think the power of coaching, this
is why these guys make so much money, is on
full display really in college and the pros every Saturday
and Sunday, but nothing more than this Sunday. Like all
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I heard coming into the regular season was the Jets.
The Jets are the betting favorite to win the AFC East.
And my whole thought was, even if you think Rogers
is going to be Pete Rogers, look at their coaching
staff that this is you have to have both. You
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can have Joe Montana or Tom Brady, but you typically
also have to have Bill Belichick or Bill Walsh. Like
Mike Holmgren was a lot better when he had Brett Pharr.
Andy Reid's been excellent. You giving Patrick Mahomes like it's
a duo. The head coach in football means so much,
and it's like everyone that acts like Sean McDermott and listen,
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He's had some devastating losses, but he has a pretty
long resume now of being a winner and that organizational philosophy.
And currently if you go to the standings on NFL
dot com or ESPN dot com, they have a gigantic
lead and it's not even Halloween. The Patriots coach clearly's
in over his head, the Jets have no coach, and
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the Dolphins coach is the most overrated coach in recent memory.
Like this division could be over by December first, it
really could, and the Bills just have to keep playing
for seating purposes. But like Sean McDermott and Joe Brady,
because this was a team, it's like, oh, they lost
these guys, they got rid of their safeties, they traded
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step On Diggs. Watched them play against Seattle on the
road in the rain. How buttoned up that operation was.
The Packers, to me, have just been a revelation this
year because the reason most of us liked him so
much coming into the season. It's like, did you see
Jordan Love down in stretch last year? Look, Aaron Rodgers,
if this defense is just a little bit better, Steam
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could win Super Bowl. And then he gets hurt opening night,
he gets hurt again yesterday, and it's like he missed games.
They had to start Malik Willis for two games. They
had to bring Malik Willis yesterday into a game that
was tightly contested. And I look today Malik Willis Ford
Matt Lafoor and that offense is twenty nine of thirty
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nine for seventy five percent, throwing three touchdown and no picks.
He's also averaging over eight yards of carry and he's
ran in another touchdown. Like that's what coaching is. If
you gave the Packers Ebra Flus and Shane Waldron, there's
zero chance there six and two, I mean none. And
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if you flip flopped Lafleur and Halflee in and those
guys with the Bears, I think it's safe to assume
their defense would still be really good, but their offense
would be dramatically better. I don't think the Minnesota Vikings
roster is that great. Obviously, the receiver is an incredible talent,
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and Aaron Jones is really good, but now they've lost
their left tackle. You look at their defensive pieces, like,
who's their best defensive player, a forty year old Harrison Smith.
Like sometimes you watch them get pressure, like who are
these guys? You're like, Oh, they drafted this guy in
the fourth round four years ago. This is not Zadarius
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Smith and Daneil Hunter on the squad anymore. But they
got Kevin O'Connell and they got Brian Flores, and now
I think they're gonna come back to earth a little
bit more because the left tackle's gone. But I would
still expect them to be a ten win team. I've
said this forever about McVeigh. For them even being in
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position that if they got everyone back they would still
be alive is an incredible accomplishment. To win that game
early on in the season against the forty nine ers
with no wide receivers is one of the crazier things
I've ever seen. Because the Niners blew two bad games,
one to Arizona and one to the Rams. They are
not equals. Ultimately, Stafford was thrown to me and you
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Kyler still had, you know, James Connor, Trade McBride, Marvin Harrison, Dortch,
a kind of like like, they got guys that keep
you on your toes. Is why they've had some big
comeback victories the last couple of years. Since Kyler came back,
I kept saying, listen, I whiffed on the Saints they
might not win another game. Spencer Rattler is one of
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the worst players I've ever seen. Might not be all
his fault. They're missing offensive lineman, they got wide receiver injuries,
but he's got awful. But look at the Chargers schedule
right now. They won last year. I think they went
five to twelve. They obviously had the fifth overall pick.
They were terrible. They lost a game on Thursday night
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like sixty to twenty, which is ironic because they ended
up hiring that GM who got fired the next day
that the Raiders literally got him fired. But this Charger
team was an embarrassment to football. Do you know what's
gonna happen when the season ends this year? The Chargers
are gonna be in the playoffs. I'm gonna read you
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their schedule. The Chargers this week at the Browns. I
like the Chargers. The following week Titans, I like the Chargers.
They get the Bengals at home. Tougher game, but definitely winnable.
Ravens loss at the Falcons, loss at the Chiefs, loss, Buccaneers,
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million injuries, Chargers, Broncos, another team Cha their quarterback brought
in their guy, have a bunch of guys on defense
that most people don't know that well. Besides, her Tain
probably gonna be a playoff team as well. There's a
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reason these guys are making fifteen eighteen million dollars because
if you got Eberflus and I got Sean Payton or
Jim Harbaugh, I have an exponentially better chance to be
playing in the middle of January than you do. We
both could lose a bad game, we both could win
a bad game during the regular season, but over the
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course of the year, it's advantaged me. And it's why
I was always so critical on the Chargers, Like I
like so many of your players. You went from Drew
Brees to Philip Rivers to Justin Herbert. That's pretty damn good.
The overwhelming majority of the NFL would have died for
that twenty five year run. But when you refuse to
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pay coaches any money, you can't complain about underwhelming and
missing the playoffs all the time. He said, you know what,
screw it here, Jim Harbaugh. Here is five years, sixteen
million dollars a year. Oh, you want to bring Jesse Mentor,
who's clearly one of the better defensive coordinators in the league.
How much he gonna cost, Well, he's about three million bucks. Okay,
here's three million bucks. How much your total staff gonna cost?
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Dramatically more money than you've ever paid anybody. That's what
we gotta do. Because you're watching the Chargers, you're watching
the Broncos. They're not exactly rolling out superstar players at
all these positions. Yet they have good coaches, they have
guys that know what they're doing, and they're both gonna
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end up. I would I feel pretty confident that there's
probably like a seventy five percent chance both make the playoffs.
I think there's one hundred percent chance one of them
makes the playoffs. If I was a betting man, I
just take Harbod Justin Herbert over bownex the volume mhm
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Colin Cowherd
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