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September 25, 2024 53 mins

Colin is joined by Danny Parkins co-host of “Breakfast Ball” on FS1!

They start with Danny’s hometown Chicago Bears and why Caleb Williams is struggling to overcome the franchise’s dysfunction (3:00) and why it’s so important to hire one of the few top coordinators in the league (11:30).

Then, they discuss why the Cowboys aren’t close to competing for a championship and why the biggest obstacle to their success is someone in their organization (17:00). They debate the reasons behind Trevor Lawrence’s massive regression and if the Jags made a mistake giving him the bag (29:00).

Colin and Danny compare and contrast the cities of Chicago and New York now that Danny’s moved to the Big Apple to host Breakfast Ball (40:30) and dive into why they both love stand-up comedy (48:30). 

Finally, they weigh in on Brady’s early struggles in the booth and stress the need to give the GOAT some time (59:00)!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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the country to one of the co hosts on Breakfast
Ball in FS one. An interesting guy who's got a

(00:48):
lot of different thoughts and a lot of different things,
and so I'm going to try to bring him on
regular to hear on the volume. So obviously when I
bring you on, there's Chicago stories, and there's you have
real keen insight to Chicago. And it's interesting because I
think Caleb Williams is one of the most talented quarterbacks
I've ever seen in college. I think there's an lway
a little Andrew Luck. He's like Josh Allen, he's not

(01:13):
consistently accurate out of college. You have to work on
that with Josh Allen. Aaron Rodgers was very accurate in college.
Certain guys are that's not what he is.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
He is.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
You got a sandpaper him. And when I talk about
the Bears dysfunction, you and I get it, you especially.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
We tend to.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Think of Detroit, Loserville in Cleveland. But because Chicago did
have one of the great teams ever and because they
had Michael Jordan, and we've had Oprah and Siskel and Ebert,
and it's a big city and everybody loves it, you
tend to think, oh, the Bears are well funded, the
facilities are this, that's the outside, but take the audience
to the mccaskey's the dysfunction of this organization since you've

(01:59):
been a kid.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yeah, I mean they got an indoor practice facility with
a roof that was high enough where you could hunt
a football within the last decade, like it's every other
team in the league had it, so multiple practice facilities.
Like John Fox, to his credit, did kind of bring

(02:23):
them forward. Him and Ryan Pace of like, hey, we
need to upgrade these things. But like that's twenty seventeen.
We're talking about here, so just in terms of the investment,
the practice facilities. I mean, the old thing on the
mccaskey's back with the eighty five Bears was that they
would throw around, you know, nickels like manhole covers, like
it is a historically cheap organization. They are owners that

(02:46):
inherited it, right, it's a charter heritage franchise.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
But so their wealth is the Bears, right.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
They're not an oil tycoon, they're not real estate magnets.
Their wealth is in this valuation of a football team
that they don't have of hundreds and hundreds of millions
of dollars just sitting in cash from some other business.
They're not the Walmart people.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
And so it is.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
It's a big family. It's a dysfunctional family. It's been
passed down. There's like nine siblings. Some of them have
no interest in football whatsoever and want to get out
and want to cash in and liquidate. George McCaskey, who's
kind of the face of it now, is self admittedly
just a fan. He's like, I know nothing about football.
It's like, George, you've been doing this forever, Like either

(03:30):
learn something about football, or stop saying or stop saying
that you don't know anything about football, because then you're
like in the meetings hiring all these people. So there's
been there's countless examples of the historic dysfunction and the
cheapness with the Bears. I do think it's gotten a
lot better in the last five to ten years, and
the money has gotten so crazy with the national television

(03:54):
contracts that it's it's harder to be cheap. There are
some ways still, like they were going to hire Jim Harbaugh.
That was never going to happen. They were not going
to give someone twenty million dollars a year, fifteen million
dollars a year with that type of go and celebrity.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
They were just not prepared to do it.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
And that is a huge bummer because he wanted to
be the Bears coach, or he was at least very
intrigued by being the Bears coach for the last like
two hiring cycles.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
So it holds them back in some ways. For sure.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
Ryan Poles I think is really smart and I think
he's been a very good hire overall. I would not
have kept Matt Eberflus. I think that was a mistake
when they got the number one draft pick with Caleb Williams.
I would have lined up Caleb Williams with the best
offensive head coach you could get, because my thing was, like,
by definition, you are limiting your talent pool, Like you're

(04:48):
only able to hire coordinators for Caleb, who then could
leave to go be head coaches somewhere else Whereas if
you fire Matt Eberflus, I think Ben Johnson leaves Detroit
like that would have.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
Been pretty good.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
Like if you don't get Harbaugh Ben Johnson, he leaves
your division rival and he comes and coaches Caleb, that's
a pretty good spot to be in.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
So I thought keeping eber Fluse was a mistake and.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Where there What I'm afraid of right now is not
Caleb Williams. I think his talent is so undeniable that
he actually will be able to overcome some of the
stink of the Bears. We've seen that before, like Josh Allen,
to use your example, he's had a defensive head coach
and Sean McDermott. He's had one guy who is maybe

(05:35):
a borderline top five receiver in Stefan Diggs. Other than that,
not much in terms of elite playmakers.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Just got a run game, just got one this year.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
Yeah, and that's it is what I mean. He had
Dable and Dorsey and now he's got Brady, so he's
had three different play callers. Defensive head coach terrible Drafters.
Took him a couple of years, but the talent was
undeniable that he got there. So the Chargers have changed
over a bunch with Justin Herbert, bad coaches, different play callers.

(06:05):
He hasn't won big, but as a talent has overcome it.
So I think Caleb is going to be fine. What
I am worried about, though, is when it was John
Fox with Mitch Trubisky. Everyone knew that Fox was not
going to be the guy from Mitch long term, but
they didn't want to fire him a year early and

(06:27):
pay him to go away. So it was John Fox
and Dow Loggins for a year of Mitch Trubisky. Then
they fired the whole staff and hired Matt Naggy. So
now it's two systems in two years, and that put
Mitch Trubisky behind the eight ball. And then they did
the exact same thing with Justin Fields. He was there
for one year of Matt Naggy and then they fired

(06:48):
him and.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
They moved on to the next guy.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
And so then Justin Fields had two systems in two years,
two different went from Matt Naggy to Luke Getzi. So
now you're learning two different offenses, two different play callers,
two different sets of you know, ideas and fundamentals. And
so if this doesn't work and you end up firing
Eberflus and Shane Waldron, it will be the exact same
thing that you did to your last two first round

(07:14):
pick quarterbacks, and that just I don't care who it is,
it stunts your development to not have continuity of coaching.
So I'm not worried about the talent. I am absolutely
worried about the coaching around him. And the line is
clearly regressing and even worse than it was supposed to be.
But I think a lot of that is also Shane

(07:35):
Waldron because and I'm giving you a long answer, but
you wanted all of the context. Yeah, they were the
second ranked rushing team in the NFL last year. It's
the four of the five offensive linemen are the exact same,
and in theory they upgraded at center, though it looks
like they maybe somehow it downgraded and Ryan Bates has
been hurt. But that's not all justin fields. But Khuil

(07:58):
Herbert was a five yard per carry guy. So, like
I would have told you coming into the year, Kevin
Jenkins their left guard, Nate Davis their right guard when
he plays, and Darnell Wright their right tackle, who was
the tenth overall pick. All better run blockers than pass blockers,
and they're the worst running team in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yes, there's no question the O line has significantly regressed.
And most of those guys were young, ascending players, right.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
And so to me, I don't believe that these guys
just forgot how to run block. I think that there's
something in and I can't I'm not able to tell
you what it is, but I think Shane Waldron clearly
is not doing a good job. Another example, week one,
Gerald Everett out snapped Cole Kmet. That makes no sense.

(08:49):
It makes sense, It makes no col Commett, top ten
tight end in the NFL for sure, young athletic, good blocker,
good pass catcher, coming off the best season of his career,
homegrown kid under contract in his athletic prime.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
That made no sense.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
And they corrected it in week two and Week three
and week three at a Monster game. But it's like,
how do I know more about the personnel of the
Bears than Shane Waldron does? And I get that there's
a learning curve, but come on, man, you're a professional
coach making seven figures. So I think Shane Waldron's been
a disaster through three weeks, and I hope that he
can correct it.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
Well.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
I think sometimes we all know there's about six great
coaches in the NFL and about six great quarterbacks. Well
there's maybe six great coordinators. Like, for instance, Brian Flores
for the Vikings defensively is a great coordinator, just absolutely fantastic.
Brock Purty and c J. Stroud the last two weekends

(09:45):
have said, yeah, I've never seen any of these coverages.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
I don't even know what I was looking at.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Like Brock Curty is one of the cognitive guys in
this league. That is Sam Donald played with him for
a year and Donald's like, I've never seen anybody that
good at the line of scrimmage. He's I mean, it's
almost like on the spectrum, like you're like, how does
he know that? Like he's just different. There's a rain
Man quality, Like how does he memorize all this stuff?

(10:12):
So Brian Flora is Viking defensive coordinator, He's just better.
Shanahan is an offensive coordinator. I made Matt Schaub. You know,
Brian Hoyer had a winning record. I don't think people
think about this. It's like when you get in a plane,
but every sixth pilot is great. The rest of our
guys they take off, they land, they got They're not
doing Sully on the Hudson. They would have crashed that

(10:33):
plane into the Tapanzie Bridge h Hudson. You know, they
would have hit a bridge. And so I think when
I watched the Bears and I look at their talent,
is would the Bears have like Washington spent big money
on Kingsbury like the new owners. I mean, I know Sean,
they went after Sean Payton. Money was not an object

(10:56):
with Washington. Now it just so happens. The Denver owners
are richer than the Washington owners. But Kingsbury like got
top dollar. I wonder about the Bears, is it like
you should I've had? I mean, it's I look at
it and I think to myself, Brian Flores he got fired.
Maybe he got a discount. But I always feel like

(11:18):
some organizations don't hire well.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Listen, I I it's undeniable, man, and first time coaches
are cheaper, and you don't fire early because you don't
want to have dead money on guaranteed contracts, like paying
guys not to work for you. That is a place
where you can win. I'm saying in the margins. That's

(11:44):
not to minimize coaching. It's just the Packers can spend
the same as the Jaguars, who can spend the same
as the Cowboys, who could spend the same as the
Rams in free agency because there's a salary cap.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
There's a salary for on players.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
But that is a place coaching where there's cap that
you could just throw, catch the problem that's and get
the best. And that is a place where ownership can
make a difference. And that's why I said, like far
ball was just not on their list. They were not
willing to do it. And so yeah, I definitely think
that they go cheap in that regard and that that's

(12:22):
undeniably an issue now. But I gotta be fair man
Like once they high once they said they were keeping Eberflus,
I thought that Shane Waldron's resume made sense. He had
been a play caller before, and he had had top
you know, the eleventh ranked offense, the sixteenth ranked offense,

(12:44):
the seventeenth ranked offense with Gino Smith, and I was like, Okay,
I've seen the Bears hire first time play callers my
whole life. At least this guy has done it. And
he was a part of the thing that rejuvenated Gino
Smith put him in the Comelayer the year conversation thirty
touchdown guy. I was like, if he can turn a

(13:04):
mid level talent into a high performer, imagine what he
could do with a high level performer, right, or a
high level talent in Kayleb Williams.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
So I was.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
I was upset that they were in the situation where
they could only interview people for the coordinator spot, but
I actually thought on paper at the time that it
made sense. So I'm I'm very down on how it's
looked through three games. I'm not completely writing it off,
but they could but they could fire him at the
end of this year for sure.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yeah, it's interesting.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
So you were.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Optimistic with Shane Waldron taking Geno to the sixteenth best offense.
Kevin O'Connell has made Sam Darnold, Joe Namath and his prime.
So now that's the gap I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
So the really great well and that's why I wanted
an offensive head coach. Yes, yes, yes, exactly well and
and man the NFC North like.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
Matt Matt Lafleur, Okay, Matt Lafleur.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
People were legitimately having the conversation of if Aaron Rodgers
was done, like six or seven years ago, Matt Lafleur
replaces Mike McCarthy, he gets two more MVPs and a
couple of NFC Championship Game appearances out of Aaron Rodgers.
Then Jordan Love comes in and is instantly awesome, and

(14:28):
he gets two hundred and twenty five million dollars.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
And then Jordan Love gets hurt.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Malik Willis had been in the building for nineteen days
and he is undefeated. With Matt Lafleur, they put up
thirty this past week. You got Kevin O'Connell doing that
in Minnesota, and you got Ben Johnson doing what he's
doing in Detroit. There are damn good offensive coaches in
the NFC North. Like Shane Waldron is a distant for us,

(14:58):
which was another reason why I was You've got to
hire an offensive head coach to try to compete with
these guys.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
So you know, we've talked on the podcast. I don't
I don't spend a lot of time. In fact, I've
always argued because Skip Bayles's talk Cowboys incessantly and lebron
so I don't talk Cowboys as much, mostly because the lead. Yeah,

(15:26):
and I'm not. It just doesn't interest me. But it
is interesting that the Lakers and the Cowboys have become
sort of the same business where the brand is way
better than the product, and that they're basically a family business.
I mean, the Lakers are run by Kobe's agent, and
I know Kurt Rambis and like him, but the Rambas
family is involved. It is a lot of it's a

(15:48):
lot of people close to the Bus family. And that's
the same thing. It's Charlotte Jones, it's Stephen Jones, it's
Jerry Jones. There's not a lot of outside influence, but
they're they're remarkable brands. I don't the Lakers are. I
think Anthony Davis is just fantastic. I thought last year
he was easily the best defensive player in the League,
and you know, Rudy Gobert whatever. But I don't think

(16:09):
they're a championship team. They just don't have They're not close.
These teams like Boston have like eight really good players.
Seven are the good players. But I look at the
Cowboys and it's this is what I'm about to say,
is really insane.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Oh good that the if you really take.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
A deep breath, the Cowboys have not won multiple playoff
games in any year in twenty nine years.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
Now.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Just think of that's that's not a big ask at
the NFC. The last four they've had good quarterback play.
Romo and Dak are b plus to a minus quarterback.
They're a very good quarterback play and the Kirk Cousins mode.
They've had offensive coaches who are more than competent. I mean,
I've had some offensive coaches, and I'm always fascinated by

(17:03):
really successful people Jerry Jones that have a blind spot
that is so obvious. The radio hits the fact that
he wants to be called GM and I'm like, Jerry,
you're this oil maverick. You're a brilliant businessman. He and
Stan Kronky are two of the smartest guys in the
league other owners lean on Jerry. Does he not get

(17:26):
how disfunctional? I mean they really they always lead the
NFL in retaining their own draft picks. And so is
it ego? Is it a blind spot Jerry's vanity and personality.
I'm fascinated when I see like Elon Musk similarly, does
he not see what he is?

Speaker 3 (17:47):
Well? What are the sociopathic? You know? Yeah, I think.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
You've probably met a lot more billionaires than I have.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
You know, a lot of normal ones.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
It's not it's not a you get into this like
stratosphere of ego entitlement, you literally own the building. It's just,
you know, it's it's just it has to warp your
sense of reality and things that make sense. But I
do think that the media sometimes gets it wrong with

(18:24):
with Jerry. And I'm not saying he's crazy like a
fox or that like everything is calculated, but.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
He likes it. Chaos is his fuel. He does not.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
Believe that us talking about Ceedee Lamb's contract and Dak
Prescott's contract and Mike McCarthy's contract and his radio appearances
and weird things that he says, he does not believe
that that has any impact on wins and losses. He
doesn't and and in fact, he probably thinks that it

(19:01):
has an absolute impact on the ratings that they get
on Sunday Night Football and at four twenty five on
Sunday on Fox. And he very well might be right,
because they are everyone cares about him. You might hate him,
you might love him, but the numbers bear out people
care about him. So I think that he is feeding

(19:23):
the sports take industrial complex because it's oxygen for him.
He wants to be relevant, he wants to be talked about.
It's clearly an ego play, but also it programs a
lot of airtime and that has to be good for business.
I guarantee he subscribes to the all publicity is good

(19:43):
publicity mantra. We're talking about him and that's making him money,
either directly or indirectly. So that's what And by the way,
I also think, and I said this on the first
week of Breakfast Ball because we were on before the
season started, I was like, these contracts all get done,
no one holds out anymore, Like they not really, Yeah,

(20:05):
Jonathan Taylor for a game, Melvin Gordon for four games,
Chris Jones for a game, like host Levy on Bell.
No one actually holds out. You're like, oh, they should
have signed Dak Prescott early. Dak didn't want to sign early.
Dak wanted to to sign first. He wanted Jordan Love

(20:27):
to sign first because that just gave him more money.
Ceedee Lamb wanted aj Brown to sign first. He wanted
Devonte Smith to sign first. He wanted Justin Jefferson to
sign first, because they know that they have the Cowboys
over a barrel, because Dak had a no tag clause
and a no trade clause and Ceedee Lamb got one

(20:49):
hundred and eighty targets last year. If Ceedee Lamb isn't
on the Cowboys, they would go from the highest scoring
team in the league to awful. He mat he the
more to Dallas than any non quarterback, matters to their offense,
more than Christian McCaffrey, more than Tyreek Hill. Yeah, like,

(21:10):
I just I think chaos is part of the formula
to the popularity in Dallas, and I think it's all
by design.

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on the air and we were talking about Deshaun Watson,
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But if you had a minute thirty left in a game,
one time out and had to go seventy yards doable
same players. Would you take Gardner Minshew or Deshaun Watson

(22:56):
to be your quarterback? And I said, I'd take Gardner
Minshew because he moves about his well as Deshaun. He
plays with more confidence and I think he's more accurate.
And he's like, no, that's crazy. And so we got
into talking about this and I said, Jaden Daniels or
Trevor Lawrence. And I said, here's what I know about
Jaden Daniels. He moves better than Trevor. He appears to

(23:17):
be more accurate than Trevor. And I love Trevor Lawrence,
but I have seen him now that Buffalo game, which
was at least the first half a standalone game. Dude,
he missed the crossing route that is a any college
quarterback can make it effortlessly. He missed a pass in
the flat that he was low and behind him. And

(23:39):
I said he's too loose. I said, he looks like
a quarterback that if you said, hey, you want to
go golf Friday afternoon or watch more film, he choose golf.
He's too talented to be that loose and bad on
the layups. It's not mechanical. Because he was great in

(24:01):
high school, he was great in college, and he was
he's shown signs. Yes, you put Trevor Lawrence down there
right now, minute thirty in a game, I would take
Kirk Cousins over him. I think I'd take Gardner Minshew
over it. I'm not joking on Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
No, I think that it is totally fair. I do
think that you can lose your mechanics. He brought up clear,
he brought up you brought up golf right like a yeah, yeah.
Any any golfer will tell you that you can lose
your mechanics, you can lose your swing. So I do
think it is in play that Trevor Lawrence is. I mean,

(24:38):
hell Mahomes said it this week that he doesn't think
that he his mechanics are completely locked in, that he's
relying too much on his arm and sat right now
with his feet and his footwork. So I do think
that when you have an arm like Trevor Lawrence, which
is a top ten arm in the NFL, it makes
it possible that you you lose your fundamentals a little

(25:00):
bit more. And so I don't think they're gonna bench
him like thug Peterson was like, anything's on the table, Like,
I don't think it is, Like I I don't think
you're benching a two hundred and fifty million dollar quarterback,
but I do think that you need to be working
on footwork fundamentals and breaking him down a little bit.
Deshaun Watson in week one looked like he forgot how

(25:21):
to play football.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
We charted it.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
He had six passes that landed out of bounce, like
they're just like straight not catchable balls. And then that's
not including airmailing guys throwing it at their feet hurtling up.
So I think he's regressed. I mean, he's been a
little bit better since, but he's regressed terribly. Trevor Lawrence

(25:45):
has regressed terribly and Minshew, it's just funny you bring
him up. What I've always said about him is like
he's gonna go down swinging, like he's a fun quarterback
to watch, yes, oh, and like but like delude usional confidence,
like he will he believes he can make every throw.
It's like Mario Chalmers when he was on the heat

(26:06):
and he had teammates that were Lebron, Bosh and Wade,
and he was like why don't you ever drop up
the final play for me? And it's like it's like
I had a pretty big shot at Kansas in the
final four. It's like, yeah, buddy, but that's Dwayne Wade,
you know what I mean? Like your Gardner Minshew, why
do you think you can make that throw? But like
one out of two or three times he can make it,
and so he does it. So he's a fun guy

(26:27):
to watch. But I will say too, man, it's hard.
Quarterback play in the NFL is very clearly hard. It's
hard to project, it's hard to pay, it's hard to
be consistent in and so that's also why. And this
isn't what you asked about, but I'm gonna say it anyway.

(26:50):
Everyone being surprised by Josh Allen it bothers me. He
is clearly the second best quarterback in football, and he
has been for a couple of years now. Yeah, yards, touchdowns, wins.
Since twenty twenty, he's second in wins, he's second in yards,

(27:14):
and he's first in touchdowns, all to the Mahomes.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
You look at their numbers. Now, it's regular season.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
Mahomes obviously has him in the postseason undeniable, but yards
touchdowns wins. He's two to two and one in terms
of ranks since twenty twenty. And he doesn't have Andy Reid,
he didn't have Tyreek Hill, he didn't have Travis Kelce.
He is a remarkable football player, and so be like,

(27:43):
I'm so surprised that Josh Allen is doing this this year.
Why because he lost Gabe Davis and Stefan Diggs, who
like wit the last seven games of last season.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
Like it just we need to do a better job.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
I think of, like, oh, you're not Mahomes, so we
can like pick you apart and criticize you. I'm not
saying no criticism is fair. Mahomes has thrown three terrible
interceptions this year for total, Like obviously anybody can be criticized,
but like, if you've got a problem with Josh Allen
at quarterback, then the only guy you're allowed to like
is Mahomes.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
He's the only one.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
It's a really hard position to be consistently great at well.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
It's also people have never I've read every Phil Micholson
book and he doesn't have the discipline of Tiger mentally,
like like physically, he didn't have it in his prime.
If you take one person off the planet. Tiger Woods.
Phil Micholson has like eight more major wins. Like it's
there's some time. I mean, the Utah Jazz are like

(28:47):
considered kind of a dynasty. They've got two titles without
one player, Michael Jordan. Like we also, we don't appreciate
in life how these cacasional mediors change. Like Charles Bartley
never won a title again, go to the final against Jordan, Jesus,

(29:10):
Charles was insanely good. I mean, so they go back
to those you go back to those Suns teams. This
was before everybody took threes. Danny Google the games. They
were scoring one thirty four regularly with mid range jumpers.
They were in chanting. Barkley's team changed the league.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Like the CEO of Burger King does very well for himself.
The guy who runs Pepsi, he's great. He's got a
lot of houses. Like, yeah, it's not McDonald's and Coke,
but it's okay. It's it's okay to be second best
when you're Peyton manning square all time.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
Now, Listen, I'm like one of.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
The last people in the world who's willing to at
least entertain a Peyton Manning was better than Tom Brady argument,
but it's I think about Peyton is like, I've never
seen a quarterback control a game more than Peyton Manning did.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
I think he literally changed the position.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Correct, And the other thing that I love about Peyton's
like legacy four super bowls with four coaches.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
Yeah he was the system.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
But yeah, four super bowls four different coaches, that's pretty crazy.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Peyton's lebron He is the system correct, Correct, Tom and
Montana were part and elevated a great system.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah right, And you can't deny what they have in
the trophy chest and the winning and I'm not I'm
not going to argue against it, but singular dominance of
like this guy is the system and you win because
of this guy, no matter what else you got. Peyton
is in a class of his own in that regard.

(30:57):
But yeah, it's like people are like, are you worried
Jaden Daniels is better than Caleb Williams. I'm like, I
guess a little, but like it's because it's all a
crap shoot and it's about situation and no one really knows.
I think Caleb is gonna be great and gonna be fine,
and I think he's gotten better week to week to week.
But I mean, what would JJ McCarthy be doing right

(31:18):
now if he was getting the Sam Darnold reps? Would
we be talking about him as an undefeated quarterback.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
In the preseason? It looked amazing, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
So like, who the hell knows? Right Bo Nicks?

Speaker 1 (31:31):
One week, the guy can't throw the ball two yards
past the line of scrimmage. Last week he's slinging it
all over the field and signaling first down and like
playing with a bunch of swagger. I'm like in the
league is I can't believe that I gamble on it
every week.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
It's impossible. It is impossible to predict.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
By the way, do you let me just say this
for anybody that listening in our business, I love radio.
It's therapeutic. It's good for me. Television doesn't give me
the same high as radio does. But I like tape
TV because I have a really nice crew and a team,
and it's funny and it's it's basically I'm doing TV
radio simulcast. So it's a little of both. Do you
miss radio and the sort of the journey every day,

(32:12):
The therapeutic journey of it.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
Yeah, no question, there are just my life right now
is really weird.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Like I'm living in a hotel in Times Square and
trying to sell a house and trying to buy a
house or rent a house, and the parent from Afar
and be a husband from Afar. But then I'm also
like doing a bunch of cool things in New York.
So I've had like a lot of good weird stories
and adjusting to being on national TV. There's just a

(32:41):
lot of weird things that happened with being on TV.
But then it's like we're gonna talk about the cowboys
and the Chiefs and the Ravens and the Bengals and
the Bears, Whereas in local radio, I could sell an
eight minute story about you know, Wardrobe at FS one,
and like, I think it would be really entertaining and good.
But there's no actual outlet for these types of stories.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
So I miss it. I miss my guys.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
I missed like the nitty gritty and the minutia of
being there for the Caleb story. So yeah, I of course, man,
it's radio is my first love. All I ever wanted
to do was afternoon Drive Chicago radio, and I did
it and I loved it, but it's not the same
now as it was back in the nineties and the

(33:26):
early in mid two thousands when I really fell in
love with it. And so, you know, I just I'm
an ambitious guy and this opportunity came along, and so
I'll always miss it.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
But you know, this is this is the right thing
for me to do.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
You know, people think big cities are all the same.
So I spent some time in London in the summer,
which is probably London's like Chicago, but bigger. It has
the parks, great architecture, terrific food. Believe it or not,
London's food scene has improved dramatically. There must be ten
Gordon Ramsey restaurants alone. And when I was in London

(34:00):
with my wife and my third or fourth time being there,
I told her, I said, I love Chicago, and I
think that's why I love London. People lament the weather
in Chicago, but the springs and falls are amazing. The
summers are killer. You're on a lake, and the truth
is wear a coat.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
You know.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
London similarly, I'm not a heat guy, so I love
going to walk in Hyde Park. But you know it's interesting.
You think, oh, New York and Chicago. Danny's lived in
two big cities. They are the opposites to me, like
New York and Chicago could not be more. Do people
think La and New York are different? And they are,

(34:37):
but give the audience some sense. Do you sense a
difference between New York and Chicago? Not just tall buildings.
I think there's a sensibility. I think the river running
through Chicago changes it. The Midwest changes it.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Yeah, it's it's definitely different. Listen, I'm biased. I love Chicago.
Chicago's home. I think Chicago's the greatest city in the world.
And yeah, I went from you go from a garage
to a garage at work and then work in a
radio studio the winter. The winter's never bothered me. Yeah,
you know football is on in the winter. I'm gonna
be inside anyway. I think this is I think the

(35:14):
biggest difference is in Chicago we have alleys, so that
means so that means our trash isn't on the street. Yes,
and that means you can park in a reasonable manner.
In New York it's so condensed and no one has
an alley, so the trash is just on the sidewalk,

(35:36):
and there aren't really a lot of public parking garages,
so it's a lot of street parking.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
So it's just it's super congested.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
In Chicago, it's it's obviously there's a ton of traffic
on the highways. The traffic is brutal, but when you
get into the city, you can.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
Kind of hide your car, you can kind of hide
your trash.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Like, so it's just it's it's clean and liveable and smooth,
and it feels like a big giant neighborhood. New York
is congested and dirtier and louder New York.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
New York is Rome. Yes, Yes, New York is Rome,
which is the same thing. It's just dirty and congested,
and it's it's a lot. It's overwhelming, and there's they're
kind of making it up as they go at Chicago's.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
Stacked on top of each other.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
In Rome, you like, it's like, here's a Michelin restaurant,
here's a world class hotel, and then you know, two
hundred feet down is an ancient civilization, Like, oh wow,
that's crazy. They just kept building it on top of
each other and then and that's kind of.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
How New York feels. But there are things about New York.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
The bodega scene in New York is the greatest thing
in the world. Yeah, like there was like New York
is so expensive, and it is. It is significantly more
expensive than Chicago. But you can walk came to a
place that looks like it should only be able to
sell you, like a bottle of water and cigarettes and

(37:06):
a stick of gum in the New York Post and
you can get like the greatest pastrami sandwich you've ever
had for nine dollars and it's the only meal you
need to eat all day. So New York and there's
a New York's awesome. And also if you find green
space in New York, it feels like it was an accident. Yeah,
and you're like, oh my god, green space and then

(37:27):
it's like the most peaceful, beautiful thing ever. So I've
gone to like Central Park multiple times and just chilled
out because it feels like it's a complete oasis amidst
all of the chaos.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
Then I always had a feeling whenever when I was
in Connecticut. I didn't go to Boston ever. I went
to New York constantly, and I always said, there's an
energy in New York. That is, it's even much bigger
than Chicago, and Chicago's got energy.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
It is a Rome.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
It's Rome.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
When you're in Rome, it is just going fast. I
mean I remember going to Rome with my wife and
you know, you do a few touristy things, but you know,
we got vespas and we just went through the city.
We hired these two guys to take us around and
it's like get ready, hold on, here we go and
we're flying through alleys and just the pace of Rome

(38:11):
in New York it's exhilarating. And I can remember. I
can remember there was a night in New York.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
It was the fall.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
I took my wife in there and we went and
it was just a gorgeous fall. It was just it
was like sixty three degrees. It got crisp. But at
night we went to a great dinner. It was a
sexy night. And I remember telling my wife we were
in I think we were in meat packing district or something.
It was a lot of the hipsters and the good
looking people. And I'm like, I understand why people in

(38:40):
New York think the United States ends at the Hudson River.
Like Elliott, you get why They're like, Utah, is that
in the country, Utah?

Speaker 3 (38:51):
Like I get why they think that.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Oh, absolutely, Like New York elitism is earned, Like it's
earned you. Anything can happen here at any time. So
this is crazy New York story. And I'm out here
alone and I'm trying to like make the best of it.
My wife and kids are going to be coming out here,
and I'm going to move out to the Burbs in

(39:14):
a house and so like. But I'm in the city
right now. And so I love stand up comedy. I'm
obsessed with it. I watch documentaries about it, listen to
podcasts about it, go to any show. I've been to
the Comedy Seller a few times already since I've been
out here. I had been a dozen times before. But
a guy I know, Chicago comedian named Pat McGann. He
opens for Sebastian Maniscalco, and Sebastian just did five straight

(39:36):
nights at Madison Square Garden, most consecutive sellouts by a
comedian at MSG. I'd never been to anything other than
a college basketball game at the Garden. So I hit
up Pat and I was like, hey, man, can I
come to the show, And he was like, yeah, absolutely,
thrilled that you're in New York.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
Let's do it. I go.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
He gives me a little backstage pass. We're hanging out
in his green room before I'm just alone. I'm pumped,
and he said, yeah, you picked a good night to come.
I'm like, yeah, man, of course, Madison Square Guard and
it's kicking off this tour. It's amazing. He's like, no, no, no, no,
there's three openers tonight. Normally it's two hats podcast co
host me and Seinfeld and Sebastian had asked Jerry Seinfeld

(40:20):
to open for him at MSG and Seinfeld comes out.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
The crowd doesn't know.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Nineteen thousand people go ballistic, and Seinfeld famously hates arenas.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
He really only likes to do theaters and like comedy clubs.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
And he gets out there and he's like, this is
so great, and he's doing like the Seinfeld books.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
How cool is this. He's like, I'm a kid.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
From the Bronx and I've never played Madison Square Garden before.
And the place goes ballistic, and then he does twenty
minutes of like Staten Island humor. You know you're in
the city, but you're on the island and then you're
in the Hamptons like he's just like he's just like
being Seinfeld, but all about New York in front of
New Yorkers that people are going insane. And I leave

(41:02):
the garden at ten thirty and it's buzzing and it
was like the Knicks just hit a walk off.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
And I'm like, only here.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
The only place that guy will do an arena is
MSG and he'd never done it before and it was
a complete surprise and it was just it was a
Wednesday night, it was it was awesome.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Speaking of comedy, I was so fortunate and that that
my favorite New York comedy story is I walked into
Carolines and Colin Quinn in it like looked like he
was going to bed. Ten minutes later walked in. He's
like having a work on some stuff and he crushed
for an hour, just and he was in like gray
warm ups in a collared shirt that I think had

(41:39):
spaghetti stains on it, and he just did an hour.
And I remember leaving with my friend, I think it
was Brian, and I'm like, and this was fifteen years ago,
and I remember saying, Dude, that guy is the most
underrated comedian in the country like everything he's on. I laugh,
and he hadn't quite hit yet, like he'd been on
a shit but it didn't work. Now he's obviously done

(42:01):
these Broadway shows that are fricking hysterical. He's always been
Seinfeld's best buddy. But I saw Colin Quinn fifteen years ago.
New Yorkers knew him, New Yorkers understood how great he was,
but like a lot of people, you know, Utah didn't.
Now everybody like pays attention knows he's absolutely brilliant. And
then I saw in speaking of comedy, my wife got

(42:24):
me tickets in the front row John Mulaney at the
United Center in Chicago on the rehab tour.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Helly, I was not in the front row, but I
was there.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
That's the best hour of comedy I've ever because it
was so raw and so personal. And I told Anne,
I said, that wasn't comedy, that was an hour of therapy.
We just we were in an hour of therapy, an
hour fifteen And the fact that these comedians Sebastian, who
I'm going to in Chicago, I think in November ninth,

(42:53):
eighth or ninth or something like that. He's good, you know,
I've always said this about comedians and maybe I think
this about you and I. In our art business, we
don't get a third take, Actors get twenty takes. They
don't even write their own material. Sebastian Mulaney, Seinfeld, Colin Quinn.
They write it, they perform it one take. I think

(43:16):
comedians people just do not understand how lucky we are
to have people that can stand in front of ten
thousand people. I would be terrified.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
They're brilliant, brilliant.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
It's it's the most impressive art form to me, and
it's the purest because this is not like an original
observation by me.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
I think it was Seinfeld who I first heard say it.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
They are judged every eight seconds because that's about set
up the punchline on average, somewhere around there, and they've
got to be getting a laugh.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Now.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
Some people will tell a longer, more drawn out story,
and it can't They might not literally be eight seconds,
but we can be giving a take on you know,
breakfast Ball or The Herd or whatever, and we think
we're crushing it, and maybe we are and maybe we aren't,
but we're not getting any feedback, so we can live
with the delusion that we're crushing it. They I mean,

(44:17):
Mulaney has definitely bombed. Yeah, you know, like Seinfeld has bombed,
Quinn has bombed, Rock has bombed, like these and because
they're they got to eat it sometimes to figure out
what works and to get the new material. And they
have that like feedback loop that we just don't get.
Like Billy Joel knows when he performs piano, man, it's

(44:38):
gonna crush, you know, Like Brad Pitt when he walks
into a restaurant knows he's gonna get fond all over.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
These guys every time they go out they could eat it.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
And I just I think that it's so impressive to
be able to create something from nothing. And the other
thing is like we have games, like we are talking
about actions of other things.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
These guys are.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Creating and girls are creating their own material completely from experience,
completely from thin air. And there's ten thousand people or
forty people or whatever it is. We're basically sitting there
with our arms cross being like make me laugh, funny man,
and then they do.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
It's amazing. So I can talk about this.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
Davittel incredible, Neil Brennan incredible, there's so much good comedy
right now.

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Speaker 3 (46:57):
Speak.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
You know, the hard job that has a committe feel
to it and has instant reaction because of X or Twitter.
Is being a football analyst because football is the most
popular sport. You're judged every eight seconds, because that's about
how long plays last. People aren't judging Joe Buck or
Mike Tarico every eight seconds. They're following the play, but

(47:18):
they are judging Chris Collinsworth and Tony Romo and Tom Brady.
And it was thinking about this with Tom Brady. So
let me just tell you how I see. One of
the things that offends me about bitcoin n FT. Success
is hard, and people who invest in bitcoin, I always

(47:41):
think it's a shortcut. I've been in the stock market
since eighty eight. I've been buying and selling real estate
over twenty homes since eighty nine to ninety. I've had
swings and misses. My career has been since nineteen eighty seven.
It's hard. We put in a lot of hours. Tom
Brady's put in as many hours as I have or more.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
Being a quarterback.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
So when people are trying to sell me an NFT,
it's like, Oh, you don't want to put the work in.
You're going to be diluted into This is a this
is get rich quick, and of course it's a paradise
for grifters and NFTs all bullshit and ninety nine percent
of them are all bankrupt. And I think bitcoin similarly,
you can't buy a whopper at Burger King with it.
I don't care if you have eight million bitcoin, you

(48:26):
can't buy anything with it.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
Congrats. So and it kind of so.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
When people pitch me on it, it just feels like, Oh,
you don't want to put the work in in life,
You don't want to have to, like study stocks, because
that's what Warren Buffett does all day long, and he's
eighty eight study stocks allfing day. And so I'm kind
of offended by the idea of bitcoin, Like it's a
lottery ticket, I buy it, talk to a loser on

(48:51):
a Reddit board.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
The economic future of America isn't going to be guided
by a twenty six year old gamer in a one
bedroom in Sheboygan. Like, you know what, Peter Warren Buffett like,
this is it's hard, Jamie Diamond in New York.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
These guys, No, it's it's yeah, it's I mean, listen,
it's it's very hard. And the I mean I remember
being told about bitcoin when it was at twenty five
hundred and I was like, I don't get it, and
it went to sixty thousand, and I'm like, oh damn.
I wish I would have taken the time to actually
understand it, because I know some smart people that have

(49:28):
definitely made a ton of money in crypto.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
I'm with you on the NFTs.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
Completely, but is it real money, what's the future of it,
what's the end game of it? I have absolutely no idea,
but that's an interesting thought on like the get rich
quicks because it does it does seem like a cutting
of a corner in some way, but clearly there are
people who have made a gazillion dollars. I would take
that corner cut if if I was an early adopter

(49:53):
of it.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
So my point being as I move I segue into this,
is that Tom Brady, because he's Tom Brady and signed
for his zillion dollars, people are judging him and it's
like time out. It took him from the time he
started playing quarterback in high school to the time he
got really good in the NFL. It was like nine
year process. You're giving him three games. Bradshaw Terry Bradshaw

(50:18):
started on games. Chris collins Worth did B level, C
level games forever. We don't allow people. What we're doing
in society is we're increasingly harsh immediately. It doesn't allow
anything to bake. So what becomes more attractive is bitcoin
and NFT and overnight sensations. But to do that you

(50:40):
have to take a shortcut, and to be great, there
are no shortcuts. Michael Jordan, Scotty Scheffler, Tiger Woods. They
started at three six. So when Brady gets criticism. I'm like,
you guys, understand it's gonna It took him nine years
of high school, college and pro football practicing every day

(51:03):
before you're like he And by the way, even when
he was winning super Bowls the first several it was like, well,
he's a system quarterback and nobody gave him credit. Mahomes
is so brilliant you immediately gave him credit. But I
find it's one of the things in society. It's like
we are killing the bake and bake is great is
how the great happens, and we're killing it. We young

(51:25):
people try stuff, they fail, and we crush them for it,
and it's like hide, just keep baking. Shit takes nine
years to be great at anything.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
No, I mean, I think it's patience is very, very
hard because we live in an instant gratification society and
we can get anything at our fingertips. I think about
this with my kids, like they will grow up in
the world of Amazon Prime. They could be like, they
see something at a friend's house, bring it up to us,

(51:55):
and we have to be very disciplined to not like
have it on their doorstep by the time we get home.
You know, it's just you get this feedback on stuff
so damn quickly. And on the analyst front, what you're
saying is objectively true. But I don't have a great
solve for it because I don't think Tom Brady was
going to accept the job to be on the D
team to do panther smalcons right.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
I don't think that was gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
And so because he's on the A team, and because
he got the contract that was reported on, and because
he's Tom Brady, we're gonna I mean, he's gonna call
Super Bowls really quickly, and that's gonna be in front
of one hundred and fifty million people, and it's gonna
there's going to be stakes attached to it. But what
I love about these players is they can handle it

(52:43):
like they're They are fine being coached, they are fine
being criticized, and they will work at it in order
to get better. Because you've been around enough athletes in
the business. They want to know. They want like, am
I doing a good job at this? How can I
be better at it? They're way less sensitive than US
broadcast types. US broadcast types could be sensitive, have egos,

(53:06):
don't love feedback, think that we know everything that we're doing.
I've worked with so many athletes that are like, Hey,
this isn't what I'm this is isn't what I.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
Know how to do. Teach me, tell me.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
So. If he takes it seriously, which I think he
clearly is, I think he's been better Game three than
he was Game one. I've already seen a bunch of progress.
If he really does work at this for ten years,
He's going to be excellent at it. There's no doubt
about that. Danny Parkins, what a fast fifty minutes.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
Thanks buddy, oh anytime you know.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
I love this, and I mean especially when my wife
and kids are in Chicago. I literally have nothing to do.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!

2. Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang

2. Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang

Ding dong! Join your culture consultants, Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, on an unforgettable journey into the beating heart of CULTURE. Alongside sizzling special guests, they GET INTO the hottest pop-culture moments of the day and the formative cultural experiences that turned them into Culturistas. Produced by the Big Money Players Network and iHeartRadio.

3. The Joe Rogan Experience

3. The Joe Rogan Experience

The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.

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