August 19, 2024 • 53 mins
Colin Cowherd is joined by Danny Parkins to talk about Caleb Williams & the Chicago Bears (10:36). Danny & Colin discuss Tua's comments on Brian Flores (15:31), Andy Reid being the GOAT coach and Aaron Rodgers upcoming season with the Jets (47:50). They also hit sports gambling, WNBA vs MLB and Danny's final days in Chicago as a radio host.
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ft ball. Dane Parkins is my guest today. He is
(02:01):
leaving six seventy the Score in Chicago. It's a pretty
iconic sports talk radio station, and he is moving on
to television to be announced. So I think this is
tougher for you, and it will be eventually for me
(02:23):
than ever moving off podcasting or television. So I grew
up child of divorce. Radio was my friend. My sister
was five six years older, so she was out of
high school by the time I was in it. So
I grew up rurly on the beach. You had separation
between neighbors. I didn't live in a cul de sac.
(02:43):
I didn't have a car yet. So radio is my friend.
Radio is what I dreamed of. Radio has been my
entire life. I do a simulcast now, which my radio
show is not as good because of that. It's good
enough to rate and drive revenue. But if there are
days that I listen to local radio when I'm around
(03:04):
the country in Boston or Chicago or LA and I
miss it. And there are days I think I wish
I could tell a fifteen minute story today on radio,
because I've got a really good one and I can't.
The remote changes it. So your radio is really what
I grew up with, and now it's just called audio.
It's still vibrant. By the way, there's a lot of
(03:25):
money in audio. Sean Hannity is doing just fine on
a eight hundred stations, so you're leaving six seventy to score,
and I think the view will be you're going to
a television job, but you don't have that radio mic.
And it is the coolest thing in the world. When
you have a great show, it is so raw and
(03:47):
so personal, and so it's a canvas. It's got few limitations.
Is it hard for you leaving a dream job even
though it's considered a career upgrade.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, it is you. Uh, you nailed it. I left
Chicago once to go pursue a radio career with the
expressed goal of getting back to Chicago. All I ever
wanted to do was host afternoon Drive in Chicago. Since
I was sixteen years old. I would drive to school
(04:21):
in the morning and listen to Howard Stern and I
would drive home from school and listen to mac Yirkow
and Harry and Boors and Bernstein, two awesome local Chicago
radio shows. And then I would be a delivery driver
and I would listen to those shows. And I love radio,
love it, love it, love it, love it. I'm a careerist,
(04:44):
I'm ambitious. I have a four year old and a
two year old. Radio's market share locally and across the
country is going down. Podcasts, on demand, internet and cars,
all of those things. And while that is probably happening
on some level also with TV, this is an opportunity
(05:06):
that I didn't play in the NFL. I didn't make
Major League Baseball starting pitcher money like this is an
opportunity for me to grow my profile, grow my brand,
and grow your brand. Sounds ridiculous, but you know what
I mean, and change the life of my two sons,
hopefully if it works. And so am I going to
(05:29):
miss it? Yes, no doubt about it. But I'm excited
to learn something new. I'm excited to feel like I'm
getting better at something. Yeah, I don't think I really
had that anymore in radio. I wasn't bored with the show.
I loved the show. I mean, I loved the Parkinsons
(05:50):
Eagles Show and Shane Reared and Chris Hannahill our producers.
I love doing it every single day. But I'm excited
to try to get better at something. And you know,
you know how it is. I mean, you host a
TV show that simulcast on radio and you have a podcast,
like I'm not closing the door on radio forever or
Chicago forever, or who knows what digital project I'll be
(06:14):
able to create in the future. You know, I don't.
I don't know. I'm thirty seven years old. I've got
a long runway of a career. Left, and I think
that there was, or I know there was a little
bit of a feeling. If I'm just being totally personal.
I don't know how many people care about this, but
like that I had come close to a ceiling in
(06:37):
both relevance and revenue in local radio. And that's a
four hour a day show, five days a week. There's
not much time left for other stuff. And then yea,
then sometimes some things you're not allowed to do because
of competitors and companies and that sort of thing. And
(06:58):
so I felt like I owed it to myself and
my kids when this opportunity came around to take a
swing at it and try it. And there will be
things that I absolutely wish that I was able to
do on the TV show that I could have done
on the radio show, There's no doubt about that. But hey,
I'm not going to have to watch a baseball game,
(07:19):
not Tuesday night either anymore. There will be trade offs.
So yeah, leaving radio is very very difficult. It was bittersweet,
especially because it required me to leave Chicago. But I'm
pumped about this, man, I really am.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
So it's interesting right now. Currently in New York, the
Mets are toast the Yankees bullpen will probably keep them
away from a World Series crown, though they're certainly viable.
Jets Giants are pathetic. I still don't buy into the
TETs this year. Brooklyn Nets always a bit of a
tire fire. And in Los Angeles the teams are doing
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really well. I mean, USC one twelve and eight, and
people are critical of it. It's like they've won ten
games average last two years, like that's our loser. So
Chicago's sports are interesting because and I think I told
you this considering the vast sports history. Not only is
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Caleb Williams sort of potentially the first great quarterback, it's
a fairly starless town for Chicago. There was a time
when Michael Jordan, Scotty Pipa Siskel and Ebert Oprah like
it was everybody like it was just it felt as
big as New York. And you've got a hockey player
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or two. That's interesting. But I was thinking the other
day Caleb Williams just isn't a bear. He's going to be.
He's filling a huge void in a sports crazy city.
And you know you've been you know Chicago as well
as anybody that I bring on the show Talk a
little bit about this city. Who's that's kind of missing,
(09:04):
like a it's it has some founding fathers, you know,
like Mike Ditka, but it doesn't really have its next
it performer. Now hockey is different, right, it doesn't. It doesn't.
It may work in a city, but it's very local.
Let's talk about Chicago sports. What's missing and what's coming.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yeah, you're on it. Connor Bedard is the hockey player
that you're referring to, and he is a fena. He's
he might be the best player in the league in
a year or two. He is excellent, fairly anonymous guy
outside of Chicago could easily walk down Madison Avenue without
being recognized. Angel Reese is now a pretty big star
(09:45):
in terms of like Q rating plays for the Chicago
Sky But obviously that's a thing on the com that's new.
You know, would not when you're talking about a city
of Walter Payton and Mike Ditka and Michael Jordan, Angel
Reese and Connor Bandard have a lot ways to go.
The twenty sixteen Cubs was a team, Like they're talking
about what the statue will be for that thing? You
(10:07):
could make it. Chris Bryant, but that would be leaving
out John Lester and Anthony Rizzo and Joe Madden and
ben Ziebers like that'll probably be a collective. It was
about one hundred and eight years and the curse and
so singular star power in Chicago historically has really been
Bears or Bulls. You know, Ernie Banks had it for sure,
(10:28):
long time ago, Frank Ryan Sandberg, Ryan Sandberg for sure,
as mentioned Frank Thomas. But in recent vintage you look
to football and basketball and it's been a while. I mean,
we've talked about this before on the pod only organization
with no four thousand yard passer only organization with no
thirty touchdown quarterback, and the Bears are the one thing
(10:51):
that everyone in Chicago agrees upon. Baseball split Cubs and Socks,
more Cubs than Socks, but still split. Winter pro sport shorts,
Bulls and Blackhawks. Yeah, you can be a fan of both,
but eighty two hockey games eighty two NBA games, you're
a bigger fan of one or the other. Inevitably you
care much more about one or the other. It's split
for your winter pro sports attention. Everyone's a Bears fan.
(11:15):
Everyone cares about the Bears and the history of the
city is but Gus and Singletary and Irlacker and Sayers
and Peyton and Johnny Morris, who played in the fifties
is the all time leading receiver in Bears franchise his
five thousand and fifty career receiving yards. So it's just
(11:36):
remarkable and so like offensive passing football, we've never seen
it before. You know, a year of Brandon Marshall and
Alshon Jeffrey, a year of Eric Kramer, a year of
Jay Cutler, but nothing sustained. So what Caleb Williams Not
only does he have the ability to play like Rogers
or Mahomes hopefully and be like a modern quarterback, which
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this city has never really seen before, but he also
so as a celebrity. On Draft Night, he was talking
about advice that he got from Denzel Washington, whose number
is in his phone. He played in Hollywood. He's cool.
He has a huge Instagram following. He was rich upon arrival,
Like there's just this town is so starved. Yeah, for
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the star power, but also just for excellence. On the
one thing that everybody can agree on in the city
that if Caleb Williams is what he is supposed to be.
He will own that town, own it.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah. You and I live in cities, and this is interesting.
LA and Chicago, where people that don't live there have
incredibly strong opinions that are anti that city.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Oh so yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, off, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Yeah. So you know, there's there's things I like. I
love Vancouver, BC. For what I like it for. It's
it's proximity to the waterfront and the kindness of its people.
I like its international flavor. I love London the history
of it, parks everywhere, great hotels, incredible pubs, lounges, best
(13:07):
bar city in the country. I like Los Angeles because
I love the weather. It's just a vast city, thirty
one music venues, I mean, just everything you want. I'm
literally I can feel that I just took a nap
with my door open, and that I can, you know,
feel the water and hear the water. It's like okay.
And then there's Chicago, which I love for a lot
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of reasons. I think it's a vibrant downtown. I think
the architecture, the river running through the city. Love the people,
love the people. It's also a great guy town, sports music, steaks,
beautiful beautiful people. It's a guy's tad. It's my favorite
guys town. Like nothing against you know, everybody, But it's like,
(13:51):
if you had to say one city in the country,
five guys, let's party, Chicago's really good. I mean you
basically have a beach on the city. You poke a park,
a boat, thirty yards stare at the city. I've done
that four or five times. But it's interesting. We live
in a time with social media that these cities are
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highly criticized, tend to lead left with their politics. That's
the reason for it. What is it like to live
in Chicago when you hear about the outrageous crime and
the danger of the city, Like, what is your experience
living there?
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Okay, so you might remember the last radiothon that I
did three and a half years ago. You promoted it
on the show. I named it the what about Chicago
radiothon because it was a play on words, because when
people talk about like gun control, they'll say, well, what
(14:48):
about Chicago. They've got strict gun laws, but they still
have bad gun violence. And it's just such a bad
faith argument because if you look up the stats on
the crime, a huge percentage of the guns that are
involved in illegal crime come from Indiana, which is right,
which is an eight minute drive away. You pay a
(15:11):
six dollars toll and you can go get whatever you
need and then you drive it back in and they
don't search your trunk. And that's part of the issue. Right,
So we're not surrounded by states that have the same
laws as US and so, and these people that make
that argument know it, but they don't care. So does
Chicago have its problems, of course, does it have poverty,
(15:31):
of course. Does it have a gun violence problem, no
doubt about it. But it has so many incredible people
that are doing everything in their power to solve those
problems and to work on it that I just hate
when people who aren't from here describe it as a
war zone because they read a clip of the they
see a clip on the news, and they've never been there.
(15:51):
And it's like, stop, you don't care about solving the problem.
You're just crapping on people who are actually working to
solve it. And so either it keeps Chicago out of
your mouth, get involved and solving the problem if you
really care about it, or come here and see that.
You can go to Oak Street Beach or North Avenue
Beach or Michigan Avenue or the West Loop or the
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United Center or Salt Shed this new amazing venue right
in the heart of the city, or you know what
I mean, like any number of world class restaurants and
neighborhoods and crazy diverse culture from like Pilsen to Hyde
Park to Liquor Park, like you know what I mean.
It's it's unbelievable. It's a city of neighborhoods. And so
(16:35):
I love Chicago, I love the people. I get defensive
when people make those bad faith arguments about it. You know,
would you want to be in the wrong part of
town by yourself at one in the morning, No, probably not.
But could you go to the ten PM show at
the Chicago Theater and get out at eleven thirty or
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midnight and be perfect safe, you know, on State Street
in downtown Chicago, of course, and then you could ride
the Red Line to wherever you were going and be fine.
And you know. So it's just so much of it
is blown out of proportion and based on stereotypes and
used for political purposes that it's just it's honestly upsetting,
(17:20):
because I do think it does real damage to people.
I remember I was in Israel. This was years ago.
I was in Israel and I said that I was
from Chicago, and someone asked me if it was safe,
and I was like, really, Israel, You've been literally at
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war with every country that borders you in your sixty
eight years of existence or whatever it was at the time,
and you're asking me about the safety of Chicago. So, like,
the reputation really does matter, and it really does travel internationally.
But listen, I mean, the weather sucks in the winter.
The taxes are high. We've had some corrupt politicians in
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our day, so our money isn't spent perfectly. But to me,
it's the greatest city in the world.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
So I you know, it was really funny that Tua,
who I think, by all accounts is a really nice guy.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Religious, I'm agnostic, but very religious. I think he's a
very decent person. He's bright, he's a hard worker. I
you know, I don't like his injury history, his size.
I think he's very limited in January in cold weather,
which is why Tyreek killed Make it work early because
it may not work late. But he came out and
he really took shots and called Brian Flores his first coach,
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terrible person. And it got me thinking about Andy Reid
and Bill Belichick, and that all of Belichick's guys except
maybe Eric Mangini, are harsh and not liked and rough.
I mean Josh McDaniel, Charlie Wise, and I can like him.
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You know, he loved Greg Sheiano, Brian Flores, Joe Judge,
Matt Patricia, I mean Matt Patricia pissed off Matt Stafford
the day he got into town. And all of Andy
Reid's guys, even the ones that have quote unquote failed,
Matt Naggi. Matt Naggie used to reach out to me
and say thank you for kind words because his son
would listen to me driving to school and he appreciated
(19:22):
that his dad got support from one guy in the country.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
But Andy Reid's guys, he's a sweetheart.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Yeah, yeah, Doug Peterson. And so it really got me thinking.
First of all, I think if somebody craps on you,
especially when you're young. It's one thing if somebody calls
me out on my shit, and I'm now older, but
when you're developing and you're young and somebody buries you,
I kind of liked it. From Tua. And I'm not
(19:48):
a tit for tat person, but I thought, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Kind of like that.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
I'm kind of a fan of that. Where where do
you I said this yesterday, Andy Reid wins three straight.
We're gonna have a real discussion about Belichick and Andy Reid,
Like a real discussion Belichick one with one quarterback and
he wins with everybody. But what did you make little
And I'm rambling here, but what did you make of
(20:13):
Tua's response? I kind of like that he just called
out one of Belichick's guys and said it's a terrible
person because I think I think it will I think
it will affect him. This is not a good day
for Brian Flores.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, it's not a good day for Flores. I thought
it was a really compelling moment that he shared with Levitard,
and it was I think part of it was like
he's a made guy, right, he got paid. Yeah, I
think there's I think that was some aspect of oh, sure,
this organization paid me, so they committed to me, not
to that guy. So now I can tell some truths
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and that doesn't belittle the truth. I just don't know
that he says it eighteen months ago. I think that
there's something too. You have that security, you can tell
some truths there. But of course it matters. You want
you want your kids to believe in themselves. That you
don't want them to be delusional, but you you want
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your kids to believe in yourselves. The power of positivity
affirmations is a big thing nowadays. Yeah, you know so,
I think that there is absolutely something to it. I
don't know that it overcomes arm strength and if Ireek Hill,
you know, holds a hamstring in December, I don't know
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that it overcomes that. But Tua is good. Is how
I look at Tua? Of he's good, Yeah, he's like
of course they were going to pay him. Their offense
has proven that it can be elite. When I hear
people talk about, well they had too many pass rushers
get hurt, or they didn't invest enough in their interior
of their offensive line, or cold weather like it, I
(21:50):
think that speaks to kind of the issue with Tua
is that there is some there are some limitations, there's
some concerns. I think if he didn't have Tyreek Hill
and Jalen Wattle and one of the five best offensive
play callers in the league, we'd have more questions about Tua,
but man, I will very rarely, if ever, criticize guys
for honesty. It's honest. I don't know if it's a
(22:14):
hundred percent truthful. I'm sure Brian Flores has a different
version of events, but like that is too. That was
clearly to his truth and he told it to us,
and I think that was incredibly compelling stuff. As for
your Andy Reid caveat, you know, I worked in Kansas
City before Chicago, so I covered those teams when he
got there, and I I thought I had an appreciation
(22:36):
for what he was in Philly, and because he was
out of the curb, Like if you remember when he
got run out of Philly, people were like, he likes
to pass the ball more than he likes to run
the ball. Yes, now that's the entire league Like he was,
he was ahead of the curve. And the list is incredible.
Donovan McNabb, Kevin Cobb, Jeff Garcia, Mike Vick, Alex Smith
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and then of course Mahomes. All of those guys best
years of their career with Andy Reid, everyone, every single one,
and like I don't know, Mike Vick and Alex Smith
are pretty different, you know, like Donovan McNabb and Kevin
Cobb are not exactly the same quarterback. So that speaks
(23:23):
to a level of offensive geniusness that I will be
surprised if when Andy Reid hangs it up people actually
call him the goat, like if that is ever a
majority opinion, because we are such a rings culture, and
he obviously won't be at Belichick. But in terms of
hey man, Bill Belichick, he doesn't have a winning record
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without Brady. Andy Reid's got a winning record with a
lot of different guys. He's hit the over on his
win total every year he's been in Kansas City. He
is undefeated to the over since he's been chief. That
is insane. So like he's just he's the best coach
(24:05):
in the NFL. I don't think it's particularly close.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, and I do think there. I've always had a
theory that Andy why his assistants do better. So Andy
is a teacher. Belichick's not. Belichick's more authoritarian. Belichick's really smart.
Moms spoke several languages. Dad was a pioneer in scouting.
But proximity to genius does an equal genius right. You
(24:29):
can have the smartest friend in the world, it doesn't
make you smarter. You know, you may be curious and
ask questions, but it doesn't raise your IQ. Teachers succeed.
If you look at Bill Walsh, Mike Hongren, Andy Reid,
many of the great offensive coaches intellectually shared wisdom. A
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lot of the defensive coaches coaching trees. They were culture builders,
they were authoritative. They're not teaching, and I don't think
Belichick is. I think Belichick was attracted to people, a
lot of them Northeast guys that could handle him. He
liked a gruffness because he knew what he was and
(25:12):
what he wasn't and so he built a wall around
him of really tough coaches. Whereas Andy builds, he builds
a class, and he's the mentor of the class and
he's constantly teaching. That's kind of my theory on the two.
And both work, by the way, clearly, But I if
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I've always been impressed. It's one thing to be successful
at something, but there is there is value in like, oh,
this radio host worked in this city and that city
and at the network and that TV show. Other than
just being he dominated in Iowa. Nothing against Iowa. So
like for you, you've crushed in radio, Now you want
(25:56):
to try, you know, cable television. So I feel like
read the depth of his success. If he wins three
in a row, I have no problem saying that's the
best football coach I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, I love that, and I hope that more people
do you know you you helped me promote the book
that I co authored, Pipeline to the Pros. And that's
not to get a big plug in there, but like
I talk, it's about coaching and management pipeline in the
NBA from the D three level to the NBA level,
And the recur the recurring theme of the book, or
one of them, was teaching. Coaching is teaching, period. It
(26:32):
is the coaching is teaching. And a reason why so
many of those guys from that background work so well
is because they were literally teachers, whether they were history
teachers or whatever, because they like they needed to do
it to have the privilege of coaching the basketball team.
And so hey, does the does Patrick Ewing buy in
(26:53):
to what Jeff Van Gundy is saying? When Jeff Van
Gundy looks like a pit squep next to him, Yeah,
he buys in it if Jeff Van Gundy can teach
him something, if he can make him better. And you know,
I was in those locker rooms with the chiefs in
like the early part of this rise, and so you
know they Romeo Crenell was there before, Todd Haley, was
(27:15):
there before Scott Pioli who was on the Belichick New England.
I mean, there was a front page article in the
Kansas City Star. The headline was arrowhead anxiety. People thought
that they were bugging the rooms, like you know what
I mean. It was. It was a culture of like
fear and dictatorship, what you're talking about. And Andy Reid
came in and they marveled at it. They was it
(27:40):
was night and day, black and white. They could not
believe the culture shift that one coach was able to
do for an organization. You know, he hired John Dorsey
and then he has a say in hiring Brett Viach
Like he's the top dog in that organization. He doesn't
want the personnel say like he had in Philly for
a minute, it burnt him out. But everything runs through
(28:03):
the Andy Reid ethos. And yes, he empowers his coaches
a ton so much so that I think he like
kind of lies on their behalf to get them jobs.
Like he'll be like, oh yeah, Matt Naggie, he was
calling those plays. No, he wasn't, well you know what
I mean, Like Andy Reid never stopped calling plays, but
he will do it to get to get his guys promoted.
And then as soon as Matt Naggie failed in Chicago,
(28:26):
he brought him right back to Kansas City, and Mahomes
swears by him, by the way, swears by Matt.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Neg So I threw this out today on my radio show.
I said baseball's making a lot of changes now, not
because they want to, but because they have to. I mean,
now we've seen runner on second base and extra innings,
they're discussing six innings for starting pitchers, the pitch clock,
(28:53):
the DH, the universal DH.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Balls and strikes. What they're doing in the minors.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Yeah, okay, why because ESPN's not interested. They've bet on hockey,
not baseball. We have bet on college football, NFL, World Cup,
and Lachlan Murdoch, I think I can say this doesn't
appear to be as big a baseball fan as an
NFL fan and a World Cup fan. He's a global traveler,
a global citizen. And the Apple deal for baseball was
(29:21):
a zero. The Roku deals embarrassing, and baseball has to
make changes. And I said this, I've been into baseball
this season because they go Twani's amazing. The Yankees are good.
I like Bryce Arper. We have like three faces of
the league. I think Mookie Bets could be better than
all of them. But we have like some really domestic stars.
And I said, but here's what's funny. Even in a
(29:43):
year of the Olympics, the Euros COPA WNBA is smashing records.
Those all go away next year and the election. So
Fox News, MSNBC and C and NS ratings are up.
NBC's raiding, Olympics up, Fox COPA, Euros up. They all
disappear next year. And I said, if I was a
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network president, you give me Baseball WNBA eight year deal
and one costs one seventh of the other. With Caitlin Clark,
I would choose the WNBA. And I would not have
said that a year ago. You're part of the Angel
rees thing, and I Danny, I feel like it's a
little bird magic to legendary players. Rivals in college come
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to the NBA immediately good. I mean, Angel Rees is
like a double double record, Caitlin Clark, the playmaker, the
assist record. I've never felt this before. I'm watching the
WNBA on weekends over baseball, and it's been a good
baseball year.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
It has been a good baseball year. So I'm with you,
especially because one story, and you know this from starting
a business. My parents were market people. I feel like
I have an okay understanding of it. You can tell
a story of growth that matters a lot baseball. The
arrow is going down NBA, the arrow is going up.
(31:02):
That matters fast, right, that that inherently matters to like
Wall Street investors. The narrative that you can sell all
of those things. The problem that baseball has as I
see it, because I do think the pitch clock was excellent.
Theo Epstein, Yeah, theo Epstein is the smartest executive I've
ever talked to in sports. He now is advising Major
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League Baseball and some of this stuff, Like I think
that I think that they're trying. I don't even they
can't market stars. I don't believe that it's that it's
too hard, too hard to hit the ball, like these
pitchers have gotten so good, and the spin rate is
so high and the velocity is so high that you
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go to these games and every team has a couple
of starters and three or four relievers whose average fastball
velocity is ninety eight miles of an hour above, and
they just the starter pitches into the fifth and the
and they bring in ninety eight, ninety eight, ninety nine,
one oh two. There's twelve or thirteen combined strikeouts. When
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you when you see Roger Clemens or Justin Verlander have
thirteen strikeouts by himself, You're like, I'm watching individual greatness.
But when it's four or five guys combining for thirteen strikeouts,
and I am a pretty astute baseball fan, and I've
heard of one or two of them like that, that's
an inherent boring. It's just it's boring. The ball is
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not in play enough. So I love that they're trying things.
I like the idea of, like some real radical changes,
like should we do construction on stadiums and widen the outfield?
Speaker 1 (32:43):
How about this lower the mound. They did it in
Bob Gibson in the late sixties because he was just
you couldn't hit Bob Gibson. You lower the mound six
inches and the ball's not coming down at you, and
the hitting averages all go up fifteen yep, two sixty
becomes two seventy five.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
If you can do that, that's great. I was surprised
that this they tried at one of the lower levels.
I think it was single A. It might've even been
lower than that. They tried moving the mound back from
sixty feet six inches to like sixty one six thinking
that the velocity wouldn't be as crazy, and the offensive
numbers actually went down. I don't know what the explanation
(33:22):
if that was, if like the hook and like the
curvature was too big, or like more dramatic. I have
no idea why that didn't work Like that seems counterintuitive
to me. But whatever you can do lowering the mound,
widening the outfield more foul like less foul territory. I mean,
I'd be open to a lot of things, like limiting
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the number of pictures on a roster, saying that you've
got to go five innings or six innings for a
starting pitcher. A foul ball isn't a strike, like, I'd
be interested in a lot of things to explore to
figure out a way to inject some offense into the game,
because I don't know Fox ad it. Did you watch
the Baseball All Star Game? I don't know if you watched.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Or now I watched. I watched innings of it. I
watched the early innings.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Those pitchers like like Mason Miller, Uh okay, how could
you possibly hit it? Like they're the best hitters in
the world and the best pitchers in the world, and
the best pitchers won. Like it's a it was a
low scoring game, you know. And so it's just it's very,
very hard to generate offense. And because the science says
(34:33):
and the stats say that when a pitcher goes three
times through a lineup, they are expectedly more likely to
allow more runs. Starters are getting pulled, relievers are being
inserted into the game. You're seeing all these pitching changes
and you're not. It used to be a huge deal. Oh,
Tom Glavin is starting today, Greg Maddox is starting today.
(34:54):
My ticket is worth more because I want to go
see that guy. Now, you go see Paul Skins. Yeah,
he might strike about ten, but he could be pulled
after the fifth inning, and with the pitch clock yeah,
that's an hour and fifteen minutes. So it just you
got to figure out ways to get more offense into
that sport.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Listen, I have a deal with DraftKings, but I beyond that.
I had a deal before that with their primary rival.
Before that. I lived in Vegas for seven years, so
I didn't gamble on sports growing up. I didn't grow
up in a city there was nobody to gamble with.
We were all poor. But when I went to Vegas
for seven years out of college, my favorite thing to
do after the eleven o'clock News, where I was the
sports anchor on a Friday night during the football season
(35:35):
was go to Pala Station and bet parlays and bet
like twenty dollars on four different cards, and then wake
up back when college football started at nine am Pacific,
because you know, I didn't have the audience. Now they've
pushed all the games back for the revenue in the audience.
But you know sports gambling really well, you and Nick
Wright both have the poker brain. And I saw the
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other day somebody there was a do gooder, you know,
there was a media do gooder criticizing sports gambling. And
I'm not obviously I'm pro media, and I think fake
news is ridiculous, But I do think the media can
be out of touch, can be really out of touch
on stuff. I thought there was too much hysteria. Though
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I was pro vaccine, there was a lot of hysteria.
I thought canceling college football for young people to sit
outside in the sun in September was a little overwrought.
I mean, they closed the beaches in California and skateboard parks.
It just was overreaching. The media was hysterical when we
knew pretty pretty quickly with the science under twenty two
(36:42):
if you didn't have physical maladies, you were fine. It
was a you know you were gonna make it. So
I also think some of the media can be really
preachy on sportscampling. So in the companies I've worked with,
the average bet is four dollars. You cannot It's easier
to ruin your life for four dollars eating fast food
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burgers than it is gambling on sports. Your health will
deteriorate faster than your wallet on four dollars a bet.
And I also think one of the things that sports
gambling offers, and I think it's really important and a
very tribal angry. Time in America is community. I love
betting with somebody and we have the opposite bet of
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the same bet. It's just fun. Maybe it's my guy DNA.
I love having bets with buddies on games and we're
laughing and high fiving. Where are you on sports betting?
First of all, you know that I reached out to
you a year and a half ago to bring you
to the volume based on your sports gambling. What is
your overarching opinion on it? It's dangers and it's how
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do you feel about it?
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Well, listen, I love sports gambling. I've been betting on
sports since I was fifteen and it was definitely not
legal in the suburbs of Chicago. Again, parents' market people.
I don't look at it as that entirely different. Now, obviously,
you make you make a bet on Nvidia, you get
it wrong and this stock goes down. It doesn't go
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to zero. You can lose a bet and it goes
to zero. So I understand why there are differences. But
it's it's all about It's a market, that's what it is.
It's information. I think it's good for just us people
sports consumers to have these really smart numbers. People inject
unbiased probability into the discussion of sports. I think it
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makes people smarter if it is disseminated in an intelligent way.
And also as just a student of history, prohibition doesn't work.
It didn't work for alcohol, it doesn't work for the
sex trade, it doesn't work for gambling, it doesn't work
for marijuana. I'm not saying that everything in the world
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should be legal. I understand why some things need to
be illegal, but generally speaking, if it's not going to
kill you, I do believe that it should be legal
and then regulated and taxed, and that actually would be
safer and better for all people involved, So I don't
really worry too much about the dangers. Of course we
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should have the disclaimers attached, you know, the one I gambler,
you know, of course that should exist. Of course, responsible
game like I don't like when people say frant who
was someone just had to like backtrack on one of
the big broadcasts where they came out and they said like,
this is a can't lose, this is a lock bet
your mortgage on it, and he said it kind of flippantly,
(39:42):
but then people got on him. I forget who it was.
People could google the story. It happened, I don't know, a
few months ago. Like so, like, don't say that because
some idiot out there might actually bet their mortgage and
you could argue I shouldn't be responsible for that. But
like it's you know, in general, as long as it
is done as hey, this is entertainment. Don't out what
you can afford to lose. And you can either do
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it because you are a Bears fan and you want
to bet on the Bears, or you say, I want
to bet on the Seahawks because I think that four
and a half is a good number and it should
be three, and I'm getting a point and a half
of closing line value and that's off the key number
of three and across four as an added bonus. And
I got in early on the bet on you know,
Sunday night when they posted the line, and then by
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the time kickoff happened six and a half days later,
the market is corrected in my favor. Like, you can
do it both ways. You could bet for fun, or
you could bet to try to be a sharp, or
you could bet somewhere in between. And if you don't
like gambling, don't like you know, no one, no one
is forcing you to do it. I understand that it
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is a if you have no interest in it, and
now you're seeing it everywhere, it feels like you're inundated
with it. But you talk to guys who did local
radio like longer than I did. It used to be
every commercial was for a car dealership, and then it
became everyone was for a beer alcohol brand. Now it's
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for a sports book. Like it's whoever is the newer
thing in the advertising space, They take over and they
mass produce to try to get market share. So these
things go in cycles. But people have been gambling on
sports for the entire history of sports. I don't really
pearl Clutch about any of this. I don't do it.
(41:29):
Oh won't somebody please think of the children? That doesn't
really concern me too much. And I look at it
as enhancement. Frankly, it's like bacon on a cheeseburger. I
like cheeseburgers. I like bacon on a cheeseburger more. I
like watching football. I like watching football more if I
have a bet on it, Like, that's what it is.
It just enhances my sports experience.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
So whenever I criticize somebody a lot like Baker Mayfield,
I always start with a qualifier. I think he and
his wife are great people. I know a private story
about them that is very complimentary. I think he's one
of the twenty best quarterbacks in the league, and I'm
rooting for him. I just thought he was overdrafted, an immature,
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and so Aaron Rodgers I feel the same way. I'd
vote him for the Hall of Fame. I think there
are qualities about him that are better than Brett Farve,
but he has become it feels to me podcast guest
Slash Quarterback on that he is sort of just doing
his own thing. Bill Simmons always had this theory and
(42:34):
I've had a similar one. Like the older you get,
the richer you get. If you're not married, you get
a little weird. I could name like four people off
the top of night. You get a little odd. You're
on your phone too much. But I've had so many
opinions about Aaron Rodgers. I just don't think he's going
to be as good as a quarterback as people think.
His last year in Green Bay, he wasn't as good
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as Jordan love Now with a very good offensive line,
a good offensive coach and like symmetry inside the building.
I don't know if Solikan coach Natt Hackett's a disaster
and that online is they cross your fingers. He won't
be the best quarterback in his division, and probably with
two and Josh Allen, he'll be the third most productive.
So where do you stand on Rogers? I don't believe
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you can be a savior at forty years old off
a major surgery with Josh Allen, Mike McDaniel and two
in a division. I think CJ. Stroud can in his division.
I don't think Aaron can at his age with those
quarterbacks in his division. Where do you stand on him now?
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Right? So the coming off the injury part is the
huge caveat right, because we saw Brady do it in Tampa.
So yeah, it is possible. But forty year old's coming
off of achilles injury with will say other interests to
put it mildly, he's not Brady, right, Brady maniacal about
football football right, football, football football football. Obviously, that's not Rogers.
(43:59):
This is maybe not as fact based and analytical as
you would come to expect an opinion of mine to be.
I just hope he's good, so that we haven't been
wasting our time these last two years. We have talked
so much about Aaron Rodgers on Pat McAfee and Aaron
(44:23):
Rodgers on Joe Rogan and Aaron Rodgers an RFK, and
Aaron Rodgers the vaccine and Aaron Rodgers the toxic Internet
brain and Aaron Rodgers the troll, And I'm just like man.
He is one of the most talented quarterbacks that I've
ever seen play the position. He influenced Mahomes, he influenced Caleb.
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He is a first ballot Hall of Famer. The only
player in the history of the sport with more MVPs
than him is Peyton Manning. He is one of the
first guys that I've ever seen who was a gunslinger
who didn't turn the ball over. He has a forty
five touchdown, six interception season on his liking like that
(45:04):
that is one of the craziest seasons I've ever seen
anyone have in my life. And so like, there's just
been so many column inches and so many takes and
so so much word vomit on Aaron Rodgers the last
two years that I want, I feel like we deserve
Jets Bengals Divisional Weekend, like I feel like we deserve
(45:25):
it as sports fans. I want to see Aaron Rodgers
Josh Allen for the Division week seventeen. I just I'm
rooting for him to be better than his weirdness and
his age and his injury suggest that he should be.
Because they're gonna be on National TV six times again,
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like it is a really compelling sports theater. And it
sucked watching Zach Wilson on Monday Night Football last year.
I don't want to do that type of thing again.
So I am hoping that the conversation about Aaron Rodgers
can be about football again, because he's simply one of
the greatest football players that I've ever seen. And if
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he goes out and he's just bad, he'll still be
a first ballot Hall of Famer. He'll be a bit
of a punchline, and that would suck, because, yeah, I
disagree with a ton of things that he said, but
I still love watching the guy play football, and so
I'm really hoping that we get some version. He's not
gonna be forty five and six, but I hope we
(46:28):
get a great version of Aaron Rodgers because then at
least it will have made the last two years of
nonsense feel like it mattered in a sports sense.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
Yeah, I'd be like promising your kid's a great vacation
for two years and then you go to Hawaii and
there's a tropical storm.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
Yes, yes, you're the perfect that's the perfect analogy exactly.
It's like, come on, man, like this hat this I want.
If it's thirty to six Niners Jets in week one
and he three days, I'm gonna be like, come on,
I don't care about what he said on Tuesday. Like,
just like, give me one of those throws where you
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flick it with your wrist. It's thirty yards on the
time Garrett Wilson catches it, and that game's twenty seven
to twenty four in the fourth quarter with two minutes left. Like,
give me that to make all this other nonsense worth something.
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And I said, I count my life in my summers.
How many summers do I have left? And I figured
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out I got like twenty five summers if I you know,
and uh so, let me ask you, Danny Parkins six
seventy the score, he just left that Chicago iconic radio
station for a television deal to be announced. You've had
a different summer. How's it for you? You just wrapped up
a big charity.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
Yeah. I gotta say this was not how I drew
up my summer. I was looking for like family vacation
and you know, maybe a golf trip with some buddies
and a little R and R. But you know, the
Wednesday to Saturday of this last week is the craziest
four day stretch of my career and it's not even close.
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Wednesday we wrapped up the Parkinson'spiegel Show. So got a
goodbye show in radio, and you know that that's rare.
There are legends of the business that sometimes will be
fired and never get to say goodbye to their audience.
So you do it up big and talk to people
who really mattered to the show and to us. And
my family came in and surprised me and studio for
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the last segment, which was really emotional. I kind of
have lived my life on the radio and so shared
things about, you know, my first son being in the
hospital from his premature birth, and my dad of and
passing away, my brother passing away. So it was super
emotional bringing them all in. But then that coincided with
something that I've been working on for literally over a
year thirteen months planning a radiothon for cancer research and
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partnership with the CUBS. I broadcast for twenty four hours
Thursday to Friday in honor of my brother Brad, who
passed away from glioblastoma terminal brain cancer. Raised five hundred
and sixty thousand dollars in twenty four hours, brought on
you know, about fourteen cancer patients, three world renowned doctors,
and then between nine p and four A took sixty
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calls from people telling their cancer stories. Just incredibly emotional,
people making five dollars donations, people making surprise fifteen thousand
dollars donations. Tom Rickett's owner the CUBS donated twenty five grand.
Not expected. It was Ryan Sandberg announced for the first
time that he cancer free, like live on the air, unplanned.
(51:02):
I had no idea. He just happened to have his
last oncology appointment that morning and then came in and
announced it. So I mean truly one of the craziest
broadcast days of my life. Leading into Saturday at Wrigley,
we had planned and it had never happened before. You know,
the iconic stand Up to Cancer moment that happens at
the World Series or Alstar Game. It had never happened
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at a local game at a local ballpark. So wet.
The Cubs, myself stand Up to Cancer, have been planning
this event for a long time. And Brad's son, my nephew,
got to throw out the first pitch to Craig Counsel,
the Cub's manager, who happened to grow up with my
brother Bet Brad childhood best friends. So I had my
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whole family on the field where my Brad's son throws
out the first pitch. Then the stadium stands for cancer.
At the end of the fourth inning, I've got ten
family members standing holding you know, my brother's name up there,
and it was just, you know, it was it was incredible.
It was just so emotional, and the charity that I've
joined the board of directors of, I know I'm rambling
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a little bit, but it was just like wrapping up
a radio show that I loved, wrapping up this charity
event that I'd planned for so long doing this like
incredibly symbolic thing in my brother's honor. It's just been
a whirlwind of a ninety six hours. Man.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
Well, congratulations and your next chapter. I'm not going to
give it away, but it's it's exciting, and it's it's
I think one of the more enjoyable things for me
at this point in my life is watching young talented
people get opportunities and help lubricate those. And you're going
to crush it wherever you go, and we both know
where you're going.
Speaker 2 (52:42):
So no, that's the thing, like after the radio thought,
I'm supposed to have a week off, and now it's
I'm coming to you from a hotel room, you know.
So like my life is not slowing down anytime soon.
But listen, I wouldn't have it any other way. I
could not be more excited about what's next. You just
have to prom that you'll have me on the pod
when we can actually talk about it.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
All right, Danny, whatever you're doing the mystery that's about
to be unveiled, I hope you're a regular on my podcast.
And it's good talking again, buddy, and congrats on all
your success Colin.
Speaker 2 (53:16):
Thank you so much. You know anytime I would love
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leaving six seventy the Score in Chicago. It's a pretty
iconic sports talk radio station, and he is moving on
to television to be announced. So I think this is
tougher for you, and it will be eventually for me
(02:23):
than ever moving off podcasting or television. So I grew
up child of divorce. Radio was my friend. My sister
was five six years older, so she was out of
high school by the time I was in it. So
I grew up rurly on the beach. You had separation
between neighbors. I didn't live in a cul de sac.
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I didn't have a car yet. So radio is my friend.
Radio is what I dreamed of. Radio has been my
entire life. I do a simulcast now, which my radio
show is not as good because of that. It's good
enough to rate and drive revenue. But if there are
days that I listen to local radio when I'm around
(03:04):
the country in Boston or Chicago or LA and I
miss it. And there are days I think I wish
I could tell a fifteen minute story today on radio,
because I've got a really good one and I can't.
The remote changes it. So your radio is really what
I grew up with, and now it's just called audio.
It's still vibrant. By the way, there's a lot of
(03:25):
money in audio. Sean Hannity is doing just fine on
a eight hundred stations, so you're leaving six seventy to score,
and I think the view will be you're going to
a television job, but you don't have that radio mic.
And it is the coolest thing in the world. When
you have a great show, it is so raw and
(03:47):
so personal, and so it's a canvas. It's got few limitations.
Is it hard for you leaving a dream job even
though it's considered a career upgrade.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, it is you. Uh, you nailed it. I left
Chicago once to go pursue a radio career with the
expressed goal of getting back to Chicago. All I ever
wanted to do was host afternoon Drive in Chicago. Since
I was sixteen years old. I would drive to school
(04:21):
in the morning and listen to Howard Stern and I
would drive home from school and listen to mac Yirkow
and Harry and Boors and Bernstein, two awesome local Chicago
radio shows. And then I would be a delivery driver
and I would listen to those shows. And I love radio,
love it, love it, love it, love it. I'm a careerist,
(04:44):
I'm ambitious. I have a four year old and a
two year old. Radio's market share locally and across the
country is going down. Podcasts, on demand, internet and cars,
all of those things. And while that is probably happening
on some level also with TV, this is an opportunity
(05:06):
that I didn't play in the NFL. I didn't make
Major League Baseball starting pitcher money like this is an
opportunity for me to grow my profile, grow my brand,
and grow your brand. Sounds ridiculous, but you know what
I mean, and change the life of my two sons,
hopefully if it works. And so am I going to
(05:29):
miss it? Yes, no doubt about it. But I'm excited
to learn something new. I'm excited to feel like I'm
getting better at something. Yeah, I don't think I really
had that anymore in radio. I wasn't bored with the show.
I loved the show. I mean, I loved the Parkinsons
(05:50):
Eagles Show and Shane Reared and Chris Hannahill our producers.
I love doing it every single day. But I'm excited
to try to get better at something. And you know,
you know how it is. I mean, you host a
TV show that simulcast on radio and you have a podcast,
like I'm not closing the door on radio forever or
Chicago forever, or who knows what digital project I'll be
(06:14):
able to create in the future. You know, I don't.
I don't know. I'm thirty seven years old. I've got
a long runway of a career. Left, and I think
that there was, or I know there was a little
bit of a feeling. If I'm just being totally personal.
I don't know how many people care about this, but
like that I had come close to a ceiling in
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both relevance and revenue in local radio. And that's a
four hour a day show, five days a week. There's
not much time left for other stuff. And then yea,
then sometimes some things you're not allowed to do because
of competitors and companies and that sort of thing. And
(06:58):
so I felt like I owed it to myself and
my kids when this opportunity came around to take a
swing at it and try it. And there will be
things that I absolutely wish that I was able to
do on the TV show that I could have done
on the radio show, There's no doubt about that. But hey,
I'm not going to have to watch a baseball game,
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not Tuesday night either anymore. There will be trade offs.
So yeah, leaving radio is very very difficult. It was bittersweet,
especially because it required me to leave Chicago. But I'm
pumped about this, man, I really am.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
So it's interesting right now. Currently in New York, the
Mets are toast the Yankees bullpen will probably keep them
away from a World Series crown, though they're certainly viable.
Jets Giants are pathetic. I still don't buy into the
TETs this year. Brooklyn Nets always a bit of a
tire fire. And in Los Angeles the teams are doing
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really well. I mean, USC one twelve and eight, and
people are critical of it. It's like they've won ten
games average last two years, like that's our loser. So
Chicago's sports are interesting because and I think I told
you this considering the vast sports history. Not only is
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Caleb Williams sort of potentially the first great quarterback, it's
a fairly starless town for Chicago. There was a time
when Michael Jordan, Scotty Pipa Siskel and Ebert Oprah like
it was everybody like it was just it felt as
big as New York. And you've got a hockey player
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or two. That's interesting. But I was thinking the other
day Caleb Williams just isn't a bear. He's going to be.
He's filling a huge void in a sports crazy city.
And you know you've been you know Chicago as well
as anybody that I bring on the show Talk a
little bit about this city. Who's that's kind of missing,
(09:04):
like a it's it has some founding fathers, you know,
like Mike Ditka, but it doesn't really have its next
it performer. Now hockey is different, right, it doesn't. It doesn't.
It may work in a city, but it's very local.
Let's talk about Chicago sports. What's missing and what's coming.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yeah, you're on it. Connor Bedard is the hockey player
that you're referring to, and he is a fena. He's
he might be the best player in the league in
a year or two. He is excellent, fairly anonymous guy
outside of Chicago could easily walk down Madison Avenue without
being recognized. Angel Reese is now a pretty big star
(09:45):
in terms of like Q rating plays for the Chicago
Sky But obviously that's a thing on the com that's new.
You know, would not when you're talking about a city
of Walter Payton and Mike Ditka and Michael Jordan, Angel
Reese and Connor Bandard have a lot ways to go.
The twenty sixteen Cubs was a team, Like they're talking
about what the statue will be for that thing? You
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could make it. Chris Bryant, but that would be leaving
out John Lester and Anthony Rizzo and Joe Madden and
ben Ziebers like that'll probably be a collective. It was
about one hundred and eight years and the curse and
so singular star power in Chicago historically has really been
Bears or Bulls. You know, Ernie Banks had it for sure,
(10:28):
long time ago, Frank Ryan Sandberg, Ryan Sandberg for sure,
as mentioned Frank Thomas. But in recent vintage you look
to football and basketball and it's been a while. I mean,
we've talked about this before on the pod only organization
with no four thousand yard passer only organization with no
thirty touchdown quarterback, and the Bears are the one thing
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that everyone in Chicago agrees upon. Baseball split Cubs and Socks,
more Cubs than Socks, but still split. Winter pro sport shorts,
Bulls and Blackhawks. Yeah, you can be a fan of both,
but eighty two hockey games eighty two NBA games, you're
a bigger fan of one or the other. Inevitably you
care much more about one or the other. It's split
for your winter pro sports attention. Everyone's a Bears fan.
(11:15):
Everyone cares about the Bears and the history of the
city is but Gus and Singletary and Irlacker and Sayers
and Peyton and Johnny Morris, who played in the fifties
is the all time leading receiver in Bears franchise his
five thousand and fifty career receiving yards. So it's just
(11:36):
remarkable and so like offensive passing football, we've never seen
it before. You know, a year of Brandon Marshall and
Alshon Jeffrey, a year of Eric Kramer, a year of
Jay Cutler, but nothing sustained. So what Caleb Williams Not
only does he have the ability to play like Rogers
or Mahomes hopefully and be like a modern quarterback, which
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this city has never really seen before, but he also
so as a celebrity. On Draft Night, he was talking
about advice that he got from Denzel Washington, whose number
is in his phone. He played in Hollywood. He's cool.
He has a huge Instagram following. He was rich upon arrival,
Like there's just this town is so starved. Yeah, for
(12:17):
the star power, but also just for excellence. On the
one thing that everybody can agree on in the city
that if Caleb Williams is what he is supposed to be.
He will own that town, own it.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah. You and I live in cities, and this is interesting.
LA and Chicago, where people that don't live there have
incredibly strong opinions that are anti that city.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Oh so yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, off, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Yeah. So you know, there's there's things I like. I
love Vancouver, BC. For what I like it for. It's
it's proximity to the waterfront and the kindness of its people.
I like its international flavor. I love London the history
of it, parks everywhere, great hotels, incredible pubs, lounges, best
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bar city in the country. I like Los Angeles because
I love the weather. It's just a vast city, thirty
one music venues, I mean, just everything you want. I'm
literally I can feel that I just took a nap
with my door open, and that I can, you know,
feel the water and hear the water. It's like okay.
And then there's Chicago, which I love for a lot
(13:30):
of reasons. I think it's a vibrant downtown. I think
the architecture, the river running through the city. Love the people,
love the people. It's also a great guy town, sports music, steaks,
beautiful beautiful people. It's a guy's tad. It's my favorite
guys town. Like nothing against you know, everybody, But it's like,
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if you had to say one city in the country,
five guys, let's party, Chicago's really good. I mean you
basically have a beach on the city. You poke a park,
a boat, thirty yards stare at the city. I've done
that four or five times. But it's interesting. We live
in a time with social media that these cities are
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highly criticized, tend to lead left with their politics. That's
the reason for it. What is it like to live
in Chicago when you hear about the outrageous crime and
the danger of the city, Like, what is your experience
living there?
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Okay, so you might remember the last radiothon that I
did three and a half years ago. You promoted it
on the show. I named it the what about Chicago
radiothon because it was a play on words, because when
people talk about like gun control, they'll say, well, what
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about Chicago. They've got strict gun laws, but they still
have bad gun violence. And it's just such a bad
faith argument because if you look up the stats on
the crime, a huge percentage of the guns that are
involved in illegal crime come from Indiana, which is right,
which is an eight minute drive away. You pay a
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six dollars toll and you can go get whatever you
need and then you drive it back in and they
don't search your trunk. And that's part of the issue. Right,
So we're not surrounded by states that have the same
laws as US and so, and these people that make
that argument know it, but they don't care. So does
Chicago have its problems, of course, does it have poverty,
(15:31):
of course. Does it have a gun violence problem, no
doubt about it. But it has so many incredible people
that are doing everything in their power to solve those
problems and to work on it that I just hate
when people who aren't from here describe it as a
war zone because they read a clip of the they
see a clip on the news, and they've never been there.
(15:51):
And it's like, stop, you don't care about solving the problem.
You're just crapping on people who are actually working to
solve it. And so either it keeps Chicago out of
your mouth, get involved and solving the problem if you
really care about it, or come here and see that.
You can go to Oak Street Beach or North Avenue
Beach or Michigan Avenue or the West Loop or the
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United Center or Salt Shed this new amazing venue right
in the heart of the city, or you know what
I mean, like any number of world class restaurants and
neighborhoods and crazy diverse culture from like Pilsen to Hyde
Park to Liquor Park, like you know what I mean.
It's it's unbelievable. It's a city of neighborhoods. And so
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I love Chicago, I love the people. I get defensive
when people make those bad faith arguments about it. You know,
would you want to be in the wrong part of
town by yourself at one in the morning, No, probably not.
But could you go to the ten PM show at
the Chicago Theater and get out at eleven thirty or
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midnight and be perfect safe, you know, on State Street
in downtown Chicago, of course, and then you could ride
the Red Line to wherever you were going and be fine.
And you know. So it's just so much of it
is blown out of proportion and based on stereotypes and
used for political purposes that it's just it's honestly upsetting,
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because I do think it does real damage to people.
I remember I was in Israel. This was years ago.
I was in Israel and I said that I was
from Chicago, and someone asked me if it was safe,
and I was like, really, Israel, You've been literally at
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war with every country that borders you in your sixty
eight years of existence or whatever it was at the time,
and you're asking me about the safety of Chicago. So, like,
the reputation really does matter, and it really does travel internationally.
But listen, I mean, the weather sucks in the winter.
The taxes are high. We've had some corrupt politicians in
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our day, so our money isn't spent perfectly. But to me,
it's the greatest city in the world.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
So I you know, it was really funny that Tua,
who I think, by all accounts is a really nice guy.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Religious, I'm agnostic, but very religious. I think he's a
very decent person. He's bright, he's a hard worker. I
you know, I don't like his injury history, his size.
I think he's very limited in January in cold weather,
which is why Tyreek killed Make it work early because
it may not work late. But he came out and
he really took shots and called Brian Flores his first coach,
(18:40):
terrible person. And it got me thinking about Andy Reid
and Bill Belichick, and that all of Belichick's guys except
maybe Eric Mangini, are harsh and not liked and rough.
I mean Josh McDaniel, Charlie Wise, and I can like him.
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You know, he loved Greg Sheiano, Brian Flores, Joe Judge,
Matt Patricia, I mean Matt Patricia pissed off Matt Stafford
the day he got into town. And all of Andy
Reid's guys, even the ones that have quote unquote failed,
Matt Naggi. Matt Naggie used to reach out to me
and say thank you for kind words because his son
would listen to me driving to school and he appreciated
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that his dad got support from one guy in the country.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
But Andy Reid's guys, he's a sweetheart.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Yeah, yeah, Doug Peterson. And so it really got me thinking.
First of all, I think if somebody craps on you,
especially when you're young. It's one thing if somebody calls
me out on my shit, and I'm now older, but
when you're developing and you're young and somebody buries you,
I kind of liked it. From Tua. And I'm not
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a tit for tat person, but I thought, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Kind of like that.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
I'm kind of a fan of that. Where where do
you I said this yesterday, Andy Reid wins three straight.
We're gonna have a real discussion about Belichick and Andy Reid,
Like a real discussion Belichick one with one quarterback and
he wins with everybody. But what did you make little
And I'm rambling here, but what did you make of
(20:13):
Tua's response? I kind of like that he just called
out one of Belichick's guys and said it's a terrible
person because I think I think it will I think
it will affect him. This is not a good day
for Brian Flores.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, it's not a good day for Flores. I thought
it was a really compelling moment that he shared with Levitard,
and it was I think part of it was like
he's a made guy, right, he got paid. Yeah, I
think there's I think that was some aspect of oh, sure,
this organization paid me, so they committed to me, not
to that guy. So now I can tell some truths
(20:48):
and that doesn't belittle the truth. I just don't know
that he says it eighteen months ago. I think that
there's something too. You have that security, you can tell
some truths there. But of course it matters. You want
you want your kids to believe in themselves. That you
don't want them to be delusional, but you you want
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your kids to believe in yourselves. The power of positivity
affirmations is a big thing nowadays. Yeah, you know so,
I think that there is absolutely something to it. I
don't know that it overcomes arm strength and if Ireek Hill,
you know, holds a hamstring in December, I don't know
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that it overcomes that. But Tua is good. Is how
I look at Tua? Of he's good, Yeah, he's like
of course they were going to pay him. Their offense
has proven that it can be elite. When I hear
people talk about, well they had too many pass rushers
get hurt, or they didn't invest enough in their interior
of their offensive line, or cold weather like it, I
(21:50):
think that speaks to kind of the issue with Tua
is that there is some there are some limitations, there's
some concerns. I think if he didn't have Tyreek Hill
and Jalen Wattle and one of the five best offensive
play callers in the league, we'd have more questions about Tua,
but man, I will very rarely, if ever, criticize guys
for honesty. It's honest. I don't know if it's a
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hundred percent truthful. I'm sure Brian Flores has a different
version of events, but like that is too. That was
clearly to his truth and he told it to us,
and I think that was incredibly compelling stuff. As for
your Andy Reid caveat, you know, I worked in Kansas
City before Chicago, so I covered those teams when he
got there, and I I thought I had an appreciation
(22:36):
for what he was in Philly, and because he was
out of the curb, Like if you remember when he
got run out of Philly, people were like, he likes
to pass the ball more than he likes to run
the ball. Yes, now that's the entire league Like he was,
he was ahead of the curve. And the list is incredible.
Donovan McNabb, Kevin Cobb, Jeff Garcia, Mike Vick, Alex Smith
(23:01):
and then of course Mahomes. All of those guys best
years of their career with Andy Reid, everyone, every single one,
and like I don't know, Mike Vick and Alex Smith
are pretty different, you know, like Donovan McNabb and Kevin
Cobb are not exactly the same quarterback. So that speaks
(23:23):
to a level of offensive geniusness that I will be
surprised if when Andy Reid hangs it up people actually
call him the goat, like if that is ever a
majority opinion, because we are such a rings culture, and
he obviously won't be at Belichick. But in terms of
hey man, Bill Belichick, he doesn't have a winning record
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without Brady. Andy Reid's got a winning record with a
lot of different guys. He's hit the over on his
win total every year he's been in Kansas City. He
is undefeated to the over since he's been chief. That
is insane. So like he's just he's the best coach
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in the NFL. I don't think it's particularly close.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, and I do think there. I've always had a
theory that Andy why his assistants do better. So Andy
is a teacher. Belichick's not. Belichick's more authoritarian. Belichick's really smart.
Moms spoke several languages. Dad was a pioneer in scouting.
But proximity to genius does an equal genius right. You
(24:29):
can have the smartest friend in the world, it doesn't
make you smarter. You know, you may be curious and
ask questions, but it doesn't raise your IQ. Teachers succeed.
If you look at Bill Walsh, Mike Hongren, Andy Reid,
many of the great offensive coaches intellectually shared wisdom. A
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lot of the defensive coaches coaching trees. They were culture builders,
they were authoritative. They're not teaching, and I don't think
Belichick is. I think Belichick was attracted to people, a
lot of them Northeast guys that could handle him. He
liked a gruffness because he knew what he was and
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what he wasn't and so he built a wall around
him of really tough coaches. Whereas Andy builds, he builds
a class, and he's the mentor of the class and
he's constantly teaching. That's kind of my theory on the two.
And both work, by the way, clearly, But I if
(25:33):
I've always been impressed. It's one thing to be successful
at something, but there is there is value in like, oh,
this radio host worked in this city and that city
and at the network and that TV show. Other than
just being he dominated in Iowa. Nothing against Iowa. So
like for you, you've crushed in radio, Now you want
(25:56):
to try, you know, cable television. So I feel like
read the depth of his success. If he wins three
in a row, I have no problem saying that's the
best football coach I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Yeah, I love that, and I hope that more people
do you know you you helped me promote the book
that I co authored, Pipeline to the Pros. And that's
not to get a big plug in there, but like
I talk, it's about coaching and management pipeline in the
NBA from the D three level to the NBA level,
And the recur the recurring theme of the book, or
one of them, was teaching. Coaching is teaching, period. It
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is the coaching is teaching. And a reason why so
many of those guys from that background work so well
is because they were literally teachers, whether they were history
teachers or whatever, because they like they needed to do
it to have the privilege of coaching the basketball team.
And so hey, does the does Patrick Ewing buy in
(26:53):
to what Jeff Van Gundy is saying? When Jeff Van
Gundy looks like a pit squep next to him, Yeah,
he buys in it if Jeff Van Gundy can teach
him something, if he can make him better. And you know,
I was in those locker rooms with the chiefs in
like the early part of this rise, and so you
know they Romeo Crenell was there before, Todd Haley, was
(27:15):
there before Scott Pioli who was on the Belichick New England.
I mean, there was a front page article in the
Kansas City Star. The headline was arrowhead anxiety. People thought
that they were bugging the rooms, like you know what
I mean. It was. It was a culture of like
fear and dictatorship, what you're talking about. And Andy Reid
came in and they marveled at it. They was it
(27:40):
was night and day, black and white. They could not
believe the culture shift that one coach was able to
do for an organization. You know, he hired John Dorsey
and then he has a say in hiring Brett Viach
Like he's the top dog in that organization. He doesn't
want the personnel say like he had in Philly for
a minute, it burnt him out. But everything runs through
(28:03):
the Andy Reid ethos. And yes, he empowers his coaches
a ton so much so that I think he like
kind of lies on their behalf to get them jobs.
Like he'll be like, oh yeah, Matt Naggie, he was
calling those plays. No, he wasn't, well you know what
I mean, Like Andy Reid never stopped calling plays, but
he will do it to get to get his guys promoted.
And then as soon as Matt Naggie failed in Chicago,
(28:26):
he brought him right back to Kansas City, and Mahomes
swears by him, by the way, swears by Matt.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Neg So I threw this out today on my radio show.
I said baseball's making a lot of changes now, not
because they want to, but because they have to. I mean,
now we've seen runner on second base and extra innings,
they're discussing six innings for starting pitchers, the pitch clock,
(28:53):
the DH, the universal DH.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Balls and strikes. What they're doing in the minors.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Yeah, okay, why because ESPN's not interested. They've bet on hockey,
not baseball. We have bet on college football, NFL, World Cup,
and Lachlan Murdoch, I think I can say this doesn't
appear to be as big a baseball fan as an
NFL fan and a World Cup fan. He's a global traveler,
a global citizen. And the Apple deal for baseball was
(29:21):
a zero. The Roku deals embarrassing, and baseball has to
make changes. And I said this, I've been into baseball
this season because they go Twani's amazing. The Yankees are good.
I like Bryce Arper. We have like three faces of
the league. I think Mookie Bets could be better than
all of them. But we have like some really domestic stars.
And I said, but here's what's funny. Even in a
(29:43):
year of the Olympics, the Euros COPA WNBA is smashing records.
Those all go away next year and the election. So
Fox News, MSNBC and C and NS ratings are up.
NBC's raiding, Olympics up, Fox COPA, Euros up. They all
disappear next year. And I said, if I was a
(30:04):
network president, you give me Baseball WNBA eight year deal
and one costs one seventh of the other. With Caitlin Clark,
I would choose the WNBA. And I would not have
said that a year ago. You're part of the Angel
rees thing, and I Danny, I feel like it's a
little bird magic to legendary players. Rivals in college come
(30:26):
to the NBA immediately good. I mean, Angel Rees is
like a double double record, Caitlin Clark, the playmaker, the
assist record. I've never felt this before. I'm watching the
WNBA on weekends over baseball, and it's been a good
baseball year.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
It has been a good baseball year. So I'm with you,
especially because one story, and you know this from starting
a business. My parents were market people. I feel like
I have an okay understanding of it. You can tell
a story of growth that matters a lot baseball. The
arrow is going down NBA, the arrow is going up.
(31:02):
That matters fast, right, that that inherently matters to like
Wall Street investors. The narrative that you can sell all
of those things. The problem that baseball has as I
see it, because I do think the pitch clock was excellent.
Theo Epstein, Yeah, theo Epstein is the smartest executive I've
ever talked to in sports. He now is advising Major
(31:22):
League Baseball and some of this stuff, Like I think
that I think that they're trying. I don't even they
can't market stars. I don't believe that it's that it's
too hard, too hard to hit the ball, like these
pitchers have gotten so good, and the spin rate is
so high and the velocity is so high that you
(31:44):
go to these games and every team has a couple
of starters and three or four relievers whose average fastball
velocity is ninety eight miles of an hour above, and
they just the starter pitches into the fifth and the
and they bring in ninety eight, ninety eight, ninety nine,
one oh two. There's twelve or thirteen combined strikeouts. When
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you when you see Roger Clemens or Justin Verlander have
thirteen strikeouts by himself, You're like, I'm watching individual greatness.
But when it's four or five guys combining for thirteen strikeouts,
and I am a pretty astute baseball fan, and I've
heard of one or two of them like that, that's
an inherent boring. It's just it's boring. The ball is
(32:29):
not in play enough. So I love that they're trying things.
I like the idea of, like some real radical changes,
like should we do construction on stadiums and widen the outfield?
Speaker 1 (32:43):
How about this lower the mound. They did it in
Bob Gibson in the late sixties because he was just
you couldn't hit Bob Gibson. You lower the mound six
inches and the ball's not coming down at you, and
the hitting averages all go up fifteen yep, two sixty
becomes two seventy five.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
If you can do that, that's great. I was surprised
that this they tried at one of the lower levels.
I think it was single A. It might've even been
lower than that. They tried moving the mound back from
sixty feet six inches to like sixty one six thinking
that the velocity wouldn't be as crazy, and the offensive
numbers actually went down. I don't know what the explanation
(33:22):
if that was, if like the hook and like the
curvature was too big, or like more dramatic. I have
no idea why that didn't work Like that seems counterintuitive
to me. But whatever you can do lowering the mound,
widening the outfield more foul like less foul territory. I mean,
I'd be open to a lot of things, like limiting
(33:44):
the number of pictures on a roster, saying that you've
got to go five innings or six innings for a
starting pitcher. A foul ball isn't a strike, like, I'd
be interested in a lot of things to explore to
figure out a way to inject some offense into the game,
because I don't know Fox ad it. Did you watch
the Baseball All Star Game? I don't know if you watched.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Or now I watched. I watched innings of it. I
watched the early innings.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Those pitchers like like Mason Miller, Uh okay, how could
you possibly hit it? Like they're the best hitters in
the world and the best pitchers in the world, and
the best pitchers won. Like it's a it was a
low scoring game, you know. And so it's just it's very,
very hard to generate offense. And because the science says
(34:33):
and the stats say that when a pitcher goes three
times through a lineup, they are expectedly more likely to
allow more runs. Starters are getting pulled, relievers are being
inserted into the game. You're seeing all these pitching changes
and you're not. It used to be a huge deal. Oh,
Tom Glavin is starting today, Greg Maddox is starting today.
(34:54):
My ticket is worth more because I want to go
see that guy. Now, you go see Paul Skins. Yeah,
he might strike about ten, but he could be pulled
after the fifth inning, and with the pitch clock yeah,
that's an hour and fifteen minutes. So it just you
got to figure out ways to get more offense into
that sport.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Listen, I have a deal with DraftKings, but I beyond that.
I had a deal before that with their primary rival.
Before that. I lived in Vegas for seven years, so
I didn't gamble on sports growing up. I didn't grow
up in a city there was nobody to gamble with.
We were all poor. But when I went to Vegas
for seven years out of college, my favorite thing to
do after the eleven o'clock News, where I was the
sports anchor on a Friday night during the football season
(35:35):
was go to Pala Station and bet parlays and bet
like twenty dollars on four different cards, and then wake
up back when college football started at nine am Pacific,
because you know, I didn't have the audience. Now they've
pushed all the games back for the revenue in the audience.
But you know sports gambling really well, you and Nick
Wright both have the poker brain. And I saw the
(35:59):
other day somebody there was a do gooder, you know,
there was a media do gooder criticizing sports gambling. And
I'm not obviously I'm pro media, and I think fake
news is ridiculous, But I do think the media can
be out of touch, can be really out of touch
on stuff. I thought there was too much hysteria. Though
(36:21):
I was pro vaccine, there was a lot of hysteria.
I thought canceling college football for young people to sit
outside in the sun in September was a little overwrought.
I mean, they closed the beaches in California and skateboard parks.
It just was overreaching. The media was hysterical when we
knew pretty pretty quickly with the science under twenty two
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if you didn't have physical maladies, you were fine. It
was a you know you were gonna make it. So
I also think some of the media can be really
preachy on sportscampling. So in the companies I've worked with,
the average bet is four dollars. You cannot It's easier
to ruin your life for four dollars eating fast food
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burgers than it is gambling on sports. Your health will
deteriorate faster than your wallet on four dollars a bet.
And I also think one of the things that sports
gambling offers, and I think it's really important and a
very tribal angry. Time in America is community. I love
betting with somebody and we have the opposite bet of
(37:23):
the same bet. It's just fun. Maybe it's my guy DNA.
I love having bets with buddies on games and we're
laughing and high fiving. Where are you on sports betting?
First of all, you know that I reached out to
you a year and a half ago to bring you
to the volume based on your sports gambling. What is
your overarching opinion on it? It's dangers and it's how
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do you feel about it?
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Well, listen, I love sports gambling. I've been betting on
sports since I was fifteen and it was definitely not
legal in the suburbs of Chicago. Again, parents' market people.
I don't look at it as that entirely different. Now, obviously,
you make you make a bet on Nvidia, you get
it wrong and this stock goes down. It doesn't go
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to zero. You can lose a bet and it goes
to zero. So I understand why there are differences. But
it's it's all about It's a market, that's what it is.
It's information. I think it's good for just us people
sports consumers to have these really smart numbers. People inject
unbiased probability into the discussion of sports. I think it
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makes people smarter if it is disseminated in an intelligent way.
And also as just a student of history, prohibition doesn't work.
It didn't work for alcohol, it doesn't work for the
sex trade, it doesn't work for gambling, it doesn't work
for marijuana. I'm not saying that everything in the world
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should be legal. I understand why some things need to
be illegal, but generally speaking, if it's not going to
kill you, I do believe that it should be legal
and then regulated and taxed, and that actually would be
safer and better for all people involved, So I don't
really worry too much about the dangers. Of course we
(39:18):
should have the disclaimers attached, you know, the one I gambler,
you know, of course that should exist. Of course, responsible
game like I don't like when people say frant who
was someone just had to like backtrack on one of
the big broadcasts where they came out and they said like,
this is a can't lose, this is a lock bet
your mortgage on it, and he said it kind of flippantly,
(39:42):
but then people got on him. I forget who it was.
People could google the story. It happened, I don't know, a
few months ago. Like so, like, don't say that because
some idiot out there might actually bet their mortgage and
you could argue I shouldn't be responsible for that. But
like it's you know, in general, as long as it
is done as hey, this is entertainment. Don't out what
you can afford to lose. And you can either do
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it because you are a Bears fan and you want
to bet on the Bears, or you say, I want
to bet on the Seahawks because I think that four
and a half is a good number and it should
be three, and I'm getting a point and a half
of closing line value and that's off the key number
of three and across four as an added bonus. And
I got in early on the bet on you know,
Sunday night when they posted the line, and then by
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the time kickoff happened six and a half days later,
the market is corrected in my favor. Like, you can
do it both ways. You could bet for fun, or
you could bet to try to be a sharp, or
you could bet somewhere in between. And if you don't
like gambling, don't like you know, no one, no one
is forcing you to do it. I understand that it
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is a if you have no interest in it, and
now you're seeing it everywhere, it feels like you're inundated
with it. But you talk to guys who did local
radio like longer than I did. It used to be
every commercial was for a car dealership, and then it
became everyone was for a beer alcohol brand. Now it's
(41:08):
for a sports book. Like it's whoever is the newer
thing in the advertising space, They take over and they
mass produce to try to get market share. So these
things go in cycles. But people have been gambling on
sports for the entire history of sports. I don't really
pearl Clutch about any of this. I don't do it.
(41:29):
Oh won't somebody please think of the children? That doesn't
really concern me too much. And I look at it
as enhancement. Frankly, it's like bacon on a cheeseburger. I
like cheeseburgers. I like bacon on a cheeseburger more. I
like watching football. I like watching football more if I
have a bet on it, Like, that's what it is.
It just enhances my sports experience.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
So whenever I criticize somebody a lot like Baker Mayfield,
I always start with a qualifier. I think he and
his wife are great people. I know a private story
about them that is very complimentary. I think he's one
of the twenty best quarterbacks in the league, and I'm
rooting for him. I just thought he was overdrafted, an immature,
(42:11):
and so Aaron Rodgers I feel the same way. I'd
vote him for the Hall of Fame. I think there
are qualities about him that are better than Brett Farve,
but he has become it feels to me podcast guest
Slash Quarterback on that he is sort of just doing
his own thing. Bill Simmons always had this theory and
(42:34):
I've had a similar one. Like the older you get,
the richer you get. If you're not married, you get
a little weird. I could name like four people off
the top of night. You get a little odd. You're
on your phone too much. But I've had so many
opinions about Aaron Rodgers. I just don't think he's going
to be as good as a quarterback as people think.
His last year in Green Bay, he wasn't as good
(42:56):
as Jordan love Now with a very good offensive line,
a good offensive coach and like symmetry inside the building.
I don't know if Solikan coach Natt Hackett's a disaster
and that online is they cross your fingers. He won't
be the best quarterback in his division, and probably with
two and Josh Allen, he'll be the third most productive.
So where do you stand on Rogers? I don't believe
(43:17):
you can be a savior at forty years old off
a major surgery with Josh Allen, Mike McDaniel and two
in a division. I think CJ. Stroud can in his division.
I don't think Aaron can at his age with those
quarterbacks in his division. Where do you stand on him now?
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Right? So the coming off the injury part is the
huge caveat right, because we saw Brady do it in Tampa.
So yeah, it is possible. But forty year old's coming
off of achilles injury with will say other interests to
put it mildly, he's not Brady, right, Brady maniacal about
football football right, football, football football football. Obviously, that's not Rogers.
(43:59):
This is maybe not as fact based and analytical as
you would come to expect an opinion of mine to be.
I just hope he's good, so that we haven't been
wasting our time these last two years. We have talked
so much about Aaron Rodgers on Pat McAfee and Aaron
(44:23):
Rodgers on Joe Rogan and Aaron Rodgers an RFK, and
Aaron Rodgers the vaccine and Aaron Rodgers the toxic Internet
brain and Aaron Rodgers the troll, And I'm just like man.
He is one of the most talented quarterbacks that I've
ever seen play the position. He influenced Mahomes, he influenced Caleb.
(44:44):
He is a first ballot Hall of Famer. The only
player in the history of the sport with more MVPs
than him is Peyton Manning. He is one of the
first guys that I've ever seen who was a gunslinger
who didn't turn the ball over. He has a forty
five touchdown, six interception season on his liking like that
(45:04):
that is one of the craziest seasons I've ever seen
anyone have in my life. And so like, there's just
been so many column inches and so many takes and
so so much word vomit on Aaron Rodgers the last
two years that I want, I feel like we deserve
Jets Bengals Divisional Weekend, like I feel like we deserve
(45:25):
it as sports fans. I want to see Aaron Rodgers
Josh Allen for the Division week seventeen. I just I'm
rooting for him to be better than his weirdness and
his age and his injury suggest that he should be.
Because they're gonna be on National TV six times again,
(45:45):
like it is a really compelling sports theater. And it
sucked watching Zach Wilson on Monday Night Football last year.
I don't want to do that type of thing again.
So I am hoping that the conversation about Aaron Rodgers
can be about football again, because he's simply one of
the greatest football players that I've ever seen. And if
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he goes out and he's just bad, he'll still be
a first ballot Hall of Famer. He'll be a bit
of a punchline, and that would suck, because, yeah, I
disagree with a ton of things that he said, but
I still love watching the guy play football, and so
I'm really hoping that we get some version. He's not
gonna be forty five and six, but I hope we
(46:28):
get a great version of Aaron Rodgers because then at
least it will have made the last two years of
nonsense feel like it mattered in a sports sense.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
Yeah, I'd be like promising your kid's a great vacation
for two years and then you go to Hawaii and
there's a tropical storm.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
Yes, yes, you're the perfect that's the perfect analogy exactly.
It's like, come on, man, like this hat this I want.
If it's thirty to six Niners Jets in week one
and he three days, I'm gonna be like, come on,
I don't care about what he said on Tuesday. Like,
just like, give me one of those throws where you
(47:04):
flick it with your wrist. It's thirty yards on the
time Garrett Wilson catches it, and that game's twenty seven
to twenty four in the fourth quarter with two minutes left. Like,
give me that to make all this other nonsense worth something.
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This is a paid advertisement. All right, I've got I've
got a late summer tan. My wife asked me today,
how's your summer going, because we we're going to see
each other now for twelve straight days starting Wednesday night.
And I said, I count my life in my summers.
How many summers do I have left? And I figured
(48:44):
out I got like twenty five summers if I you know,
and uh so, let me ask you, Danny Parkins six
seventy the score, he just left that Chicago iconic radio
station for a television deal to be announced. You've had
a different summer. How's it for you? You just wrapped up
a big charity.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
Yeah. I gotta say this was not how I drew
up my summer. I was looking for like family vacation
and you know, maybe a golf trip with some buddies
and a little R and R. But you know, the
Wednesday to Saturday of this last week is the craziest
four day stretch of my career and it's not even close.
(49:27):
Wednesday we wrapped up the Parkinson'spiegel Show. So got a
goodbye show in radio, and you know that that's rare.
There are legends of the business that sometimes will be
fired and never get to say goodbye to their audience.
So you do it up big and talk to people
who really mattered to the show and to us. And
my family came in and surprised me and studio for
(49:50):
the last segment, which was really emotional. I kind of
have lived my life on the radio and so shared
things about, you know, my first son being in the
hospital from his premature birth, and my dad of and
passing away, my brother passing away. So it was super
emotional bringing them all in. But then that coincided with
something that I've been working on for literally over a
year thirteen months planning a radiothon for cancer research and
(50:15):
partnership with the CUBS. I broadcast for twenty four hours
Thursday to Friday in honor of my brother Brad, who
passed away from glioblastoma terminal brain cancer. Raised five hundred
and sixty thousand dollars in twenty four hours, brought on
you know, about fourteen cancer patients, three world renowned doctors,
and then between nine p and four A took sixty
(50:39):
calls from people telling their cancer stories. Just incredibly emotional,
people making five dollars donations, people making surprise fifteen thousand
dollars donations. Tom Rickett's owner the CUBS donated twenty five grand.
Not expected. It was Ryan Sandberg announced for the first
time that he cancer free, like live on the air, unplanned.
(51:02):
I had no idea. He just happened to have his
last oncology appointment that morning and then came in and
announced it. So I mean truly one of the craziest
broadcast days of my life. Leading into Saturday at Wrigley,
we had planned and it had never happened before. You know,
the iconic stand Up to Cancer moment that happens at
the World Series or Alstar Game. It had never happened
(51:25):
at a local game at a local ballpark. So wet.
The Cubs, myself stand Up to Cancer, have been planning
this event for a long time. And Brad's son, my nephew,
got to throw out the first pitch to Craig Counsel,
the Cub's manager, who happened to grow up with my
brother Bet Brad childhood best friends. So I had my
(51:46):
whole family on the field where my Brad's son throws
out the first pitch. Then the stadium stands for cancer.
At the end of the fourth inning, I've got ten
family members standing holding you know, my brother's name up there,
and it was just, you know, it was it was incredible.
It was just so emotional, and the charity that I've
joined the board of directors of, I know I'm rambling
(52:07):
a little bit, but it was just like wrapping up
a radio show that I loved, wrapping up this charity
event that I'd planned for so long doing this like
incredibly symbolic thing in my brother's honor. It's just been
a whirlwind of a ninety six hours. Man.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
Well, congratulations and your next chapter. I'm not going to
give it away, but it's it's exciting, and it's it's
I think one of the more enjoyable things for me
at this point in my life is watching young talented
people get opportunities and help lubricate those. And you're going
to crush it wherever you go, and we both know
where you're going.
Speaker 2 (52:42):
So no, that's the thing, like after the radio thought,
I'm supposed to have a week off, and now it's
I'm coming to you from a hotel room, you know.
So like my life is not slowing down anytime soon.
But listen, I wouldn't have it any other way. I
could not be more excited about what's next. You just
have to prom that you'll have me on the pod
when we can actually talk about it.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
All right, Danny, whatever you're doing the mystery that's about
to be unveiled, I hope you're a regular on my podcast.
And it's good talking again, buddy, and congrats on all
your success Colin.
Speaker 2 (53:16):
Thank you so much. You know anytime I would love
to come on. Thank you sir the volume.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
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