April 14, 2023 • 37 mins
First, (3:00) Colin looks back at the damage done from the disastrous Dan Snyder era in Washington, and what separates Draymond Green and Charles Barkley from other NBA media.
Then, longtime NFL writer - and host of the Open Mike podcast - Mike Silver joins Colin to discuss what changed to make Dan Snyder sell the Commanders, which owner could be forced out next, if the Niners could deal Trey Lance before the start of the season, how long Aaron Rodgers will play for the Jets, if Texans GM Nick Caserio could be on his way out in Houston, and how he’s approaching his gig covering the Warriors and the longtime friend Steve Kerr.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. Hi, everybody, Welcome into the Friday Morning Podcast.
My buddy Mike Silver. In about ten minutes, we'll stop
by some thoughts on the Niners, some thoughts on Aaron Rodgers,
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some thoughts on ob j and Lamar. Thoughts on Dan
Snyder mercifully finally selling the Washington football team, the Commanders.
He's been a bad owner. It's hard to explain to
somebody in their twenties or early thirties how popular Washington
was back in the seventies and eighties. It was the
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Washington at the time Redskins, not the Green Bay Packers
that were on TV every weekend. The biggest rivalry in
the NFL at that time was Washington head coach George
Allen and the Cowboys and head coach Tom Landry. Second
was probably Steelers Chuck Noll and the Raiders. Some of
that was John Madden, I believe as the coach or
the Dolphins, Don Shula, like Dan Snyder, has done an
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egregious job. I mean, Donald Sterling was a bad guy
and a bad owner. But the Clippers were never a
huge brand. Marge Shot took the Cincinnati Reds arguably the
most popular franchise in the seventies early eighties and ruined him.
And Dan Snyder did as good a job as you
possibly could do to ruin and tarnish a great name.
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It didn't matter whose quarterback Billy Kilmer in the seventies,
it could be Joe Thiseman, Mark Rippin, Doug Williams. Washington
was really good for a long time, but Snyder was greedy,
treated people poorly about the money, about himself and hopefully
the new owners. I mean, it can't be difficult. We'll
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just embrace the community. When I was a kid growing up,
the first game I ever remember watching was nineteen seventy two.
It was January or February. It was the Super Bowl
between Washington and the Miami Dolphins on a small black
and white TV in my bedroom downstairs. We had a
Frank Lloyd flat roof house in Grayland, Washington, and downstairs
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I had a little black and white TV. And I
can remember on a Sunday watching a Super Bowl in
my little black and white TV. It wasn't nearly as
big back then, and garyya Premium was a kicker for
the Miami Dolphins. He screwed up fourteen to seven. Dolphins
beat Washington in the Super Bowl. He screwed up, tried
to pass a ball, Washington grabbed it. That was our
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only touchdown of the game. But those Washington teams were
my favorite. Diron Talbert, Charlie Taylor, the wide receiver Larry Brown,
the running back Billy Kilmer, the quarterback Mike Bass, the
cornerback Pat Fisher, Chris Hanburger. That was literally, you know,
fifty years ago, and I can remember half the roster
and it just remained. Joe Gibbs took over what a
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proud franchise and Dan Snyder basically killed a great brand.
Killed it hard to do. I mean it just it
would be the equivalent of ruining the Braves or the
Dodgers or the Yankees brand. The equivalent of that, It
would be the equivalent of ruining Michigan football or Oklahoma football,
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just ruining the bank. How bad would you have to
be for how long to completely ruin the brand? People
now don't even think of Washington as a top ten franchise,
forget winning just merchandise. There used to be a twenty
five year waiting list waiting list for season tickets for Washington.
Look it up back in the seventies and eighties. It's
hard to explain to people that are twenty five years
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old or thirty five years old how big Washington was.
They were part of the biggest rivalry in the National
Football League with the Dallas Cowboys. So Snyder has been
an utter disaster. Robert Sarver with a Phoenix suns Marde
shot Donald Sterling. It is. It's not like owning any
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other business. It's front facing, it's public. Your employees are
vital rock stars in a community, part of the charitable
part of the community, the entertainment portion of your community.
They're in schools with kids, they're filling stadiums, they're starting businesses.
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You know, pro sports can mean so much to a community,
and so you have to get the right owners. It's funny.
I go skiing in Utah and the area I ski
has some really beautiful homes on the mountain and one
of them is Dan Snyder's, and every time I ski
buy it. I'm like god, worst owner in pro sports
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the sport. I love worst owner right there, good riddens.
One of the things I love about having Draymond Green
as part of the volume is that I think there
are two athletes or former athlet eats in America that
stand above the rest in terms of being analysts. The
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best former athlete currently a TV analyst for any network
in any sport is Charles Barkley. He literally gets in
the news cycle. He is in the news cycle. He
creates stories, and the reason he does is because he's
brootally honest. I'm watching him the other night and Charles
Barkley comes out and says, don't waste your time, some
of these games aren't worth watching. Why he would get
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criticism from the blogs shows you how out of touch
the blogs are. That's why he's popular, because the blogs
play it safe and Barkley doesn't. Let's face at Celtics,
Sixers Bucks easily the best teams in the East. Miami's
good enough to make somebody uncomfortable. Cleveland's good enough to
make somebody uncomfortable. Those are the three best teams now.
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The West is wide open, the East isn't. And the
second person a current athlete that is also a podcaster
or broadcaster is Draymond Green. Draymond and Charles to me
are the best current or former players in any sport Baseball, football, basketball, hockey, MLS.
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Why because they're fearless doesn't mean they're reckless, They're fearless.
And it's a great example of the Internet. Twitter is
constantly rewarding people who play it safe and say the
right things. And Barkley's not on Twitter, and Draymond doesn't
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give a shit. And for all you young broadcasters out there,
twenty two percent of the country is on Twitter, seventy
eight percent aren't. It's not real life. I mean, there's
nobody in the NFL, and I work at a network
with a lot of good analysts. There's nobody in the
NFL that says relevant or creates news like Barkley. And
I think mostly because people are a little timid, a
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little fearful of saying something that rocks the boat, contrarian
getting beat up on social media. But I love the
fact that Draymond Green came out and said I couldn't
believe Lebron was gas the other night. Draymond is friends
with Lebron James. He doesn't care. I have no problem
with most analysts have relationships. I mean, Troy Aikman obviously
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knows Jerry Jones, but I never felt Troy Aikman had
a problem ripping Jerry Jones and criticizing Jerry Jones. But
I think that shows the fortitude and the fearlessness of
Draymond Greene is he doesn't care about his relationships. The
bottom line here is Lebron did look gassed. Jason McIntyre
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was at the game, game was over, Lebron was done.
Hands on hips. It should be twenty twentieth year in
the NBA, but I think Barkley and Draymond have really separated.
Not to say others don't have talent, they have separated
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My buddy Mike Silver, part of the volume, longtime NFL reporter,
writes for Ballet Sports in the San Francisco Chronicle. Actually,
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begin they're gonna be doing some warrior games since he
knows Steve Kerran knows hoops, which is great. We'll get
into that in a second. So, Daniel Snyder, it's hard
to ruin a great brand, right, like like like Downald
Sterling was a bad human, but that was never a
great brand, right. Robert Sarver did all he could to
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ruin the Suns, but it wasn't a huge national brand. Seventies, eighties, nineties,
Washington was the Packers. I mean they were when I
was a kid growing up. They were the franchise after
Dallas and the Steelers, it's it's such a great fan base, exactly, exactly.
So a lot of people felt, despite the harassment charges,
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that the owners would support Dan Snyder and he would
just figure out a way despite bad pr to hang around.
Any insight to what possibly happened, well, I think one
thing that happened is that one of his own publicly
started talking about maybe kicking him out. And I know
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Jim murs say really, really well. I admire his conviction.
He goes against the grain at times. It's possible Jim
Mursay just spoke honestly and from his heart. It's also
possible that Jim Ursay had had some conversations with other
owners who said, you know what, we agree with you,
and if you say that, you know you'd have our
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at least quiet support. But that was not insignificant when
Jim Ursay started public you know, came out publicly and said, yeah,
I don't know, maybe we should get rid of this guy.
And Jim Ursay has three daughters, he's very close to him.
He didn't like the way that the allocations against Stan
Snyder were selling NFL owners and the league. Um, you know,
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prior to that, it had been thought well, a lot
of owners have skeletons. Trust me, I worked I worked
for them for eight years. Trust me. They do a
whole other podcast topic. But you know a lot of
owners have skeletons, and a lot of owners more charitably
could have people come out of the woodwork to accuse
them of things that maybe aren't totally accurate. But they
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didn't want to open that can of worms where you know, okay,
if accusations happen, it sets the stage for these franchises.
They want to be generational that while we've been on
this podcast that you know, each one is appreciated and
another hundred thousand dollars or something. You know, they didn't
want to open that can of worms. And remember Jerry
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Richardson and face some pretty serious allegations just passed away recently.
That problem got solved because he was older and he
was just done. He was like, you know what, fine,
I'm out. And they didn't have to The NFL owners
didn't have to deal with it. The NBA solved the
problem twice by throwing money at the problem. Essentially a
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having the balls Adam Silver on its like first day
on the job to say you're out. Donald Stirling, whether
it's constitutional or not. And then a giant offer from
Steve Ballmer and again with the sons that happened with Starvers.
So you know, this is a little bit of all
of that. Daniel Sneider wasn't gonna make it easy and
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walk away, but I think once he heard Jim Mursay
say that, he realized, man, something has turned. Now the
next least popular owner is Jimmy Haslum, who infuriated owners
for another reason and agreed bad fully guaranteed contract to
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Deshaun Watson. So if we had a ranking of least
popular owners among other billionaire owners, haslam now is number one. Right. Well,
that's so cool that you broached that because I used
to do oder rakings. As far as I know, I'm
the only one who I did them annually for SI
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dot com and then Yahoo, and of course they were
my rankings about who I thought were doing the best
jobs of owning teams. But that actually has my wheels spitting, Like,
what about an insight e oder rakings of which owners
are the most hated among the other owners. And you know,
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you bring up a good point, but I think in
the end, you know, yeah, that frustrated other owners that
Jimmy Haslum did that because now we got to deal
with this guaranteed contract stuff. And other owners didn't like
it when David Tepper came in and gave Matt Rule.
Sound weird in retrospect, but gave Matt Rule all that
money because it messed up the coaching contract market. But
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I feel like owners get over that stuff, you know, eventually,
but the you know what, owners can't get over allegations
if proven, and maybe we'll never know that one owner,
Daniel Snyder allegedly cooked the books and screwed them out
of their share of the gate. That's less forgivable, you
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know for the billionaire set. So yeah, they tend to
stick together. They tend to not want to set precedents like, oh,
a couple of accusations could knock ex owner out of
the league and make them lose this incredible investment. But
you know, Daniel Snyder put them through the rigor in
a lot of ways, and Ursy possibly knowing that he
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spoke for a larger contingent, was kind of like, Okay,
this is this is a nightmare. Look if the Colts
play the Commanders, if they're still called that at the
FedEx Field or a new stadium at Jim Ursay takes
the field pregame to go schmooz. He should get like
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an adoring celebration at a prolonged ovation from those Washington
fans for a huge, huge assist on getting Daniel Snyder
the f out, because heaven knows, it's been long coming
and it's tough to shed any tears. By the way,
there's usually about any given time about seven or eight
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great quarterbacks in the NFL, seven or eight great coaches
in the NFL, and seven or eight great gms in
the league. I'd argue they're not seven or eight great owners.
I'm dead serious, Like yeah, I mean that's again like
doing the Rakings all those years. I really had to
think about it. You would here, I'll say it a
different way. You would think that the people who own
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NFL teams because they've succeeded or been born into success.
But the ones who succeeded, you'd think they're competitive people.
And now they're in the public eye. You'd think thirty
two people would be going after it. I'll do anything
to win. Nah, it's a much, much, much smaller number.
There's a large segment of ownership. That's like, you know what,
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franchises appreciating. We're guaranteed a profit simply from the TV
deals alone. And if we win, cool. If we win
once in a while, great, If we win more than
once in a while, right on, let's ride that wave.
But they're not living and breathing in it. So when
I did the rankings, the people who lived and breathed
it aggressively trying to generate revenue and then aggressively tried
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to look for ways to spend that revenue, either through
salary cap manipulation or non cap expenditures. Like coaches. I
put very high, which is paradoxically weirdly, in my very
first owner rankings, I had Daniel s Or crazy high
because my thought was, yeah, he's he's got terrible people's skills.
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He does things to undermine his coach at GM by
budding up to players, but at least he's trying really
hard to get money and use that money to win,
and he really wanted to win. He fell more and
more as the rankings went on, and unfortunately the rankings
didn't go on long enough for him to really really
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you know, go to his rightful place. But yeah, and
I just wanted to give a very brief history lesson
for you non old people. And you'll remember some of
this column. You probably weren't paying his close of attention.
But the old NFL I called the bullet Burrow bosses.
You had all these families that kind of had teams,
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and they were like, we're gonna share everything. We're just
gonna share the revenue from the TV deals, We're gonna
share a revenue from the gate. We're gonna split it up,
and we're all gonna do things equally. And you know,
as lefty as I could get sometimes when it comes
to NFL economics, I'm very like invisible hand free market.
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And I sided with the Eddie de barbelows of the
Jerry Joneses who shook things up and said, wait a minute,
why are we sitting around, you know, taking our guaranteed
money and not trying to aggressively generate revenue. We're these
incredibly valuable franchises. Let's get after it. And it turned
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they tried to turn that into ways to get ahead
on the field and to the point where, oh, we
got to create a salary capture. So the NFL has
a lot of communist socialist properties, they share money, they
have a worse Shelby first scheduling formula. They have a
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worse Shelby first draft formula. And I could go on
and on and on about you know, central control and
all that, but you know there are there's still some
old Guard owners who subscribe to that model. And I
will give it to Daniel Snyder that he was not
one of those. So I want to talk about the
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Niners because you have such in depth, you have tentacles
all over that organization. And by the way, increasingly when
I follow your Twitter feed, all your critics are lightening
up because you've been right so many times and broken
so many stories. They are like silver, I hate, yeah, whatever,
what's the latest news. So the trail hand stuff is interesting.
I was talking to Jordan Palmer the other day and
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he's like, you know, if you look at the offense
San Francisco runs, a lot of these plays are scheme
to succeed. Sam Darnold's going to have the best protection,
the best weapons, the best coach he's ever had. And
we know he's a big, strong, athletic kit and coachable
and hard working. He's just not accurate enough. But this
system makes you more accurate. Don't be shocked if Jimmy
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Garoppolo's not nearly as good with the Raiders as he
was of the Niners. So brock Purty, I think the
franchise likes a lot, and Sam Darnold in house, we
all know at some point, and I think the Niners
are and even some of the soundbites and some of
the quotes from your articles, they're going to move off
something if they missed. They're not going to try to
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double down on wrong. Let's just be honest. Could Tray
Lance be moved before the season. He could, but I
believe that brock Purty's injury and the uncertainty that still
surrounds his recovery made that much much less likely. Before
the playoffs, I wrote and reported it's over. Brock Purty's
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the guy because they want to go with this model
where they pay everybody and have the quarterback on the
rookie deal. Yeah, that's that's what trading for that pick
was about. That's what drafting Lance was supposed to be about.
And with Purdie, the models even better. You're not even
allowed to reopen his contract for two more years. It's
even cheaper than Trail as his deal, and they and
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he showed Kyle Shandahan. You know, people are like, well,
how can you say Purty. I'm like, I'm not saying that.
Kyle believes it based on what he saw from Purdy.
He's the guy. So going into that Philly game for
the Conference championship, the only thing that could have derailed
that plan was what happened. If Rock Purty had broken
his leg, it would have been brutal and it would
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have hurt and it would have sucked. But they would
have been like, fine, he'll come back. It's because of
what happened to was throwing elbow. You're not totally sure, Ay,
you're not sure when, and b you're still not positive
that it's gonna be like it was before. And I
have PTSD because a lot of my Twitter critics probably
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weren't born when I was right about the Joe Batana
Steve Young stuff. But Joe Batana missed basically two seasons
after elbow surgeries, and he did come back after that
and have two really really good years with the Chiefs,
but nothing is promised. And so I think because of that,
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it gives them an opening to say, look, we knew
Lance was going to take a while to develop because
he was raw. It's taken longer. It didn't work when
we just handed it to him last year. We ended
up having to bring Garoppolo back as a hedge and
ultimately turned to Party. But maybe we can develop him
and use this offseason to get him some more reps.
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And I don't know if this offense makes you more accurate,
because you're going to have to be more accurate than
or consistently accurate than Trey Lance was before he got
hurt last year. But you know, there's still a lot
of things to potentially like about him. So I believe
what they'll do is they'll say, look, Party's not going
to be here till at least the start of the season,
maybe longer. We're gonna split reps between Lance and Darnold.
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See how they react, see what we have. Basically, if
one of them has to start the opener, it's the
guy we think gives us the best chance to win.
And I think one thing that people are missing here
is that when they say, well, they're gonna trade tray
lads and admit their mistake, Yeah, eventually they're going to
admit their mistake. If it was a mistake, but they're
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not fielding offers to like get back in the first
round for tray Lads. And I know it only takes
one team, but if they trade tray Lads now, I
think it's for a three or something. And so I
just don't think you have urgency too. You don't know
about Pertie. You'd like another option, you'd like to see
if you could develop a more because you do have
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a lot invested in them. You're not paying them a lot,
and you could always move them, you know, a year
from now, if it goes the way you wanted to
with Perty, and possibly if it does with Darnold. So
I think if someone called him and said we will
give you a two like something, they thought, oh yeah,
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they yeah. I think if someone calls it says we'll
give you a three for tray Lads, they go a three. Well,
let's see, we currently have ninety six picks in the
third round. Ye, not all these guys are gonna make
our team. I mean, I just don't think. I think
I'd rather have a chance to you know, develop them
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this offseason. Maybe they will. I don't even think they'll
necessarily get offered to three, right now. But listen, if
he goes out and looks good in the preseason and
possibly earlier the season, they could get a lot more
for him a year from now. So you went to
cal Aaron Rodgers did. But Aaron Rodgers has gotten a
little bit more indifferent and critical of the media over
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the last several years. And I said this on the
show today. There's a lot of reports now that this
thing won't get done Jets and Packers until after the draft.
So Green Bay does have a need at tied end
that's fairly urgent. They'll probably draft a tight end in
the first round. They need another receiver, pretty thin and
young at receiver. They'll go that in the second round.
But the roster is good, not great, but it's good.
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It's not San Francisco, it's not Philadelphia. I don't think
it's as good maybe as you know a Buffalo or
as you know the top teams in the AFC. But
it's a good roster. I believe that Aaron if he
just came out and just said, guys, I'm in for
two years minimum, it would be over. Then the Jets
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would be like, okay, we know it, you know it.
But I said this today and I've been critical of Aaron.
But Aaron's too smart to not know that once you
take the most money, you won't have the best roster.
He took the money. He's too smart to think, yeah,
two rookie receivers, I'm not going to work with him
in the off season. That'll work great. I honestly think
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that we all make choices on what matters to us.
You have a great family, great friends in your career.
You have prioritized those and they're all strong. Some people
care about their career, some people care about social life
somewhat less stress. Aaron's made a decision, in my opinion,
and winning. Second, what he wants is control roll over
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the media, over situations, over the Packers. That he could
end all this bullshit. He can end the drama, Mike.
If he just said two years I'm in, I'll think
about a third. Why doesn't he do that? Well, First
of all, I've also made some bad decisions in terms
of priorities, specifically continuing to root for cal which is
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you know, no, and I joke, but you know, charitably,
for Aaron, I would say this, he said he was
thinking about retiring, you know, very seriously recently that's what
he you know, will take up at his word. It's
I think it's better not to say I've been for
two years if you're not sure that you are. And sure,
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he could say I've been for two years and you
know by December being like, oh, I'm you know, this
is terrible, I'm out of here. But maybe it's to
his credit that he's not sure he's in for two years.
And listen, I know I know from talking to my
sources that the Jets understand that there's a scenario where
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he only plays one and they are not telling the packers. Sorry, man,
you know, we take it or leave it. What they're
saying to the packers is, look, man, you know if
he comes and he plays one year, we give up
all this. That seems kind of skewed. Is there a
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mechanism in this trade where if that happens, we get
something back after he retires, And I think that's you know,
they consider that a reasonable request. So yeah, Aaron could
end that if he just said I'm in for two.
But maybe it's to Aaron's credit that he's not saying
that because he's just not sure. Your guess how long
he would play with the Jets. I think it's two.
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It could. You know, Aaron's career, first year as a
starter in Green Bay, first year with Hackett, it has
taken him usually because I've been told he's not a
big grinder in the offseason like a Brady A Peyton
or Russell Wilson, that Aaron's second year is usually the
year he pops. Well, I don't think he wants to
do a one walk off and be average. I think
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I think he wants to end. It's good for his legacy,
it's good for money, it's good. I think he wants
to have a reviable year and I don't think his
first year, frankly, is going to be great. But he
doesn't consider this year one first of all, Year one
with Hackett on the floor was a whole new scheme
and that I believe that was a legitimate adjustment. By
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the way they got to the NFC Championship game. He
did not have a great statistical year, but they went
thirteen to three. He got to the NFC Championship Game.
But I think the way that he and the Jets
are thinking of this is this is essentially year four
after a gap, because it's Hackett, and because it's that offense.
And it's not like Hackett plus the floor by the
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way attack, it plus Salo, who's like you run the offense.
I'm you know, I'll keep an eye on my specialty,
which is defense. So if you believe that Aaron and
Hackett are now resuming a very fruitful partnership that won
consecutive MVPs their next two years together, and it's the
Jets receivers and other players who are going to have
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to adjust to that, Aaron may not think it's he
Aaron probably thinks I'm going to just be rolling for
the get go. But going back to what you said earlier,
just as he made a decision not to work with
the new receivers a year ago, when clearly, as Patrick
Mahobes could tell you, that was an important thing to
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do for winning, I think that's what you need to
look at. If this trade doesn't get done Draft weekend,
you will probably hear I suspect, Hey, it turns out
Aaron Rodgers and Garrett Wilson and Alan Lazard and you
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know all those Jets targets are working out in la
or somewhere and there because there's nothing to stop him.
You can't say he's tampering, and you can't say Garrett
Wilson's tampering. So I think it is important to hit
the ground running at year one and that that'll be
the way we know if there's no trade right away
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or the next couple of weeks, would I would expect
we'll see him and those guys for the Jets start
to work together, as Mike Silver is prone to do
either strong opinions or breaking stories. There was a report
about Nick Cesario, former Patriot now running the Texans, that
he may be going back to New England, which would
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not shock me because cal McNair and I've got pretty
good intel on this. It's one of the stranger owners
to work within the NFL. I'll just leave it at that.
It's interesting. Tell me your thoughts on that rumor, because
I think Demiko Ryans is gonna now mostly run the show.
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Is it a power struggle? What is it? So I
piled onto this rumor today and I'll walk you through.
You know, we live in this little insular, gossipy world
and it is so quaint on social media or otherwise.
When people say they don't leak, the forty nine ers
don't leak. They don't talk, and fans think they know
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things and that journalists would never know things because they
don't leak. Like, if you fans understood how much talking
is going on at all times in our little world,
you would be you know, your mind would be. I'm
not I won't reveal too many secrets, but you know
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what I mean. Oh yeah, So at the owners meetings recently,
there are a lot of people there, including me, and
a lot of drinking, lot of talking, and I heard
a lot of talking about Nick as Sarrio, and I
wasn't hearing, hey, I want to go back to New England.
I was hearing, hey, he's out, He's gonna be out now.
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I didn't hear it from a source or source says
good enough to report this is happening. So I want
to be clear. I heard that rumor along with other people,
that Nick Cassario is going to be out after the draft,
and that would presumably be a hey, we're hiring Debiko Ryans. Demiko,
don't worry, we're gonna get you. Let you get your
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own GM. Just let's wait, let's do it after the draft.
Not necessarily, Debco Ryans put a hit on him but
it was just part of the process of bringing in
de Vico Ryans as I heard it now. I didn't
report this because this was basically other people in our
world GMS coaches the kind of people who go to
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owner meetings telling me, Hey, this is what I have
been hearing, and they usually know things. So I didn't
report it. I just stood on it. Then some rumor
reports of rumors started coming out, so finally I piled
onto a tweet from Mike Florio who said the rumor
is next Casserio blah blah blah, and I said, to
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further flesh out that rumor, the talk is that the
Texans would then target forty nine Ers assistant general manager
Adam Peters. So I guess I'm now piling onto a
report of a rumor. It's not reporting this is happening,
but I am reporting that there's a lot of talk
that Nickosserio, none of his own volition, would be gone
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after the draft, and that Damiko Ryan's guy that they
would want is Adam Peters. They've obviously worked together in
San Francisco. Adam Peters is a very well regarded personnel
guy who took his name out of the hat when
Tennessee and Arizona had their recent openings and basically said, Hey,
I like it in San Francisco. I like being John
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Lynch's number two. I'm good for now. Now. That could
have been theoretically with knowledge that hey, he's and is
looking like it might happen. That could have happened independently,
or these could all be rumors, But I don't think.
I think there was so much talk that at least
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this is being pondered. Um, all right, let's pivot to
you're going to cover some games for the San Francisco Chronicle.
You're good friends with Steve Kerr. They're easily the most
interesting team in the league. So first of all, tell
the audience most No, many don't your relationship with Kerr,
who I covered in Portland and you've known for years.
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Well so back when I was learning about journalism in
high school, they would have told you you have you
can't cover you know a guy or a team that
you love and you know we as you know, we
don't root for teams the way fans do. That's not
a thing. But I have to go full disclosure on
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Steve Kerr, and he could he knows how I was
taught because he and I we're high school journalists. Together.
We co wrote a sports column for our high school
paper in Los Angeles. The paper was called The Palisades Tideline.
Our column was called the Rip Tide, and it lived
down to its name. Trust And you know he is.
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You know, he's a very good friend of mine, an
awesome person, and as we do with friends, I stick
up for him. I'm so proud of all the things
about it, including his coaching. So it's I can't be
an objective person when it comes to him. But there's
another wrinkle to this. I did grow up in Los Angeles,
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but I was like the only Warrior fan at our
school because I was born in San Francisco, So I
got clowned by everyone, including Steve Kerr for being the
Warrior guy. So the deliciousness of all of this and
the run of the last nine years a lifelog Warrior
fan working for NFL Network for most of it, so
(36:03):
I didn't have to worry about journalism because I don't
cover basketball and Steve it's been an incredible ride. Well,
now I'm at the San Francisco Chronicle. I am a columnist,
and though columnists give their opinion. You know, we cover things.
And so now I've been this weird position where it's
like I'm not really a Warrior fan anymore because I'm
(36:23):
a columnist, but I grew up one. I've been one
for all these cur years. And of course I am
rooting for my friend. So I am going to write
the first of several Warrior columns that it's I'm gonna
write it after this podcast and probably to borrow boarding,
and I'm gonna go full disclosure. Steve Currs, my boy,
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here are some things I love about them. But you know,
of course, what Steve and I talk about this stuff
a joke. I've always like, yeah, dude, I'm gonna say
the game has passed you by. If the Warriors know,
anyone could coach the Warriors, but it's time for a change,
and I'm gonna bring the hammer down. Mike Silver is
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The volume. Hi, everybody, Welcome into the Friday Morning Podcast.
My buddy Mike Silver. In about ten minutes, we'll stop
by some thoughts on the Niners, some thoughts on Aaron Rodgers,
(00:21):
some thoughts on ob j and Lamar. Thoughts on Dan
Snyder mercifully finally selling the Washington football team, the Commanders.
He's been a bad owner. It's hard to explain to
somebody in their twenties or early thirties how popular Washington
was back in the seventies and eighties. It was the
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Washington at the time Redskins, not the Green Bay Packers
that were on TV every weekend. The biggest rivalry in
the NFL at that time was Washington head coach George
Allen and the Cowboys and head coach Tom Landry. Second
was probably Steelers Chuck Noll and the Raiders. Some of
that was John Madden, I believe as the coach or
the Dolphins, Don Shula, like Dan Snyder, has done an
(01:04):
egregious job. I mean, Donald Sterling was a bad guy
and a bad owner. But the Clippers were never a
huge brand. Marge Shot took the Cincinnati Reds arguably the
most popular franchise in the seventies early eighties and ruined him.
And Dan Snyder did as good a job as you
possibly could do to ruin and tarnish a great name.
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It didn't matter whose quarterback Billy Kilmer in the seventies,
it could be Joe Thiseman, Mark Rippin, Doug Williams. Washington
was really good for a long time, but Snyder was greedy,
treated people poorly about the money, about himself and hopefully
the new owners. I mean, it can't be difficult. We'll
(01:49):
just embrace the community. When I was a kid growing up,
the first game I ever remember watching was nineteen seventy two.
It was January or February. It was the Super Bowl
between Washington and the Miami Dolphins on a small black
and white TV in my bedroom downstairs. We had a
Frank Lloyd flat roof house in Grayland, Washington, and downstairs
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I had a little black and white TV. And I
can remember on a Sunday watching a Super Bowl in
my little black and white TV. It wasn't nearly as
big back then, and garyya Premium was a kicker for
the Miami Dolphins. He screwed up fourteen to seven. Dolphins
beat Washington in the Super Bowl. He screwed up, tried
to pass a ball, Washington grabbed it. That was our
(02:33):
only touchdown of the game. But those Washington teams were
my favorite. Diron Talbert, Charlie Taylor, the wide receiver Larry Brown,
the running back Billy Kilmer, the quarterback Mike Bass, the
cornerback Pat Fisher, Chris Hanburger. That was literally, you know,
fifty years ago, and I can remember half the roster
and it just remained. Joe Gibbs took over what a
(02:56):
proud franchise and Dan Snyder basically killed a great brand.
Killed it hard to do. I mean it just it
would be the equivalent of ruining the Braves or the
Dodgers or the Yankees brand. The equivalent of that, It
would be the equivalent of ruining Michigan football or Oklahoma football,
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just ruining the bank. How bad would you have to
be for how long to completely ruin the brand? People
now don't even think of Washington as a top ten franchise,
forget winning just merchandise. There used to be a twenty
five year waiting list waiting list for season tickets for Washington.
Look it up back in the seventies and eighties. It's
hard to explain to people that are twenty five years
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old or thirty five years old how big Washington was.
They were part of the biggest rivalry in the National
Football League with the Dallas Cowboys. So Snyder has been
an utter disaster. Robert Sarver with a Phoenix suns Marde
shot Donald Sterling. It is. It's not like owning any
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other business. It's front facing, it's public. Your employees are
vital rock stars in a community, part of the charitable
part of the community, the entertainment portion of your community.
They're in schools with kids, they're filling stadiums, they're starting businesses.
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You know, pro sports can mean so much to a community,
and so you have to get the right owners. It's funny.
I go skiing in Utah and the area I ski
has some really beautiful homes on the mountain and one
of them is Dan Snyder's, and every time I ski
buy it. I'm like god, worst owner in pro sports
(04:42):
the sport. I love worst owner right there, good riddens.
One of the things I love about having Draymond Green
as part of the volume is that I think there
are two athletes or former athlet eats in America that
stand above the rest in terms of being analysts. The
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best former athlete currently a TV analyst for any network
in any sport is Charles Barkley. He literally gets in
the news cycle. He is in the news cycle. He
creates stories, and the reason he does is because he's
brootally honest. I'm watching him the other night and Charles
Barkley comes out and says, don't waste your time, some
of these games aren't worth watching. Why he would get
(05:25):
criticism from the blogs shows you how out of touch
the blogs are. That's why he's popular, because the blogs
play it safe and Barkley doesn't. Let's face at Celtics,
Sixers Bucks easily the best teams in the East. Miami's
good enough to make somebody uncomfortable. Cleveland's good enough to
make somebody uncomfortable. Those are the three best teams now.
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The West is wide open, the East isn't. And the
second person a current athlete that is also a podcaster
or broadcaster is Draymond Green. Draymond and Charles to me
are the best current or former players in any sport Baseball, football, basketball, hockey, MLS.
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Why because they're fearless doesn't mean they're reckless, They're fearless.
And it's a great example of the Internet. Twitter is
constantly rewarding people who play it safe and say the
right things. And Barkley's not on Twitter, and Draymond doesn't
(06:27):
give a shit. And for all you young broadcasters out there,
twenty two percent of the country is on Twitter, seventy
eight percent aren't. It's not real life. I mean, there's
nobody in the NFL, and I work at a network
with a lot of good analysts. There's nobody in the
NFL that says relevant or creates news like Barkley. And
I think mostly because people are a little timid, a
(06:50):
little fearful of saying something that rocks the boat, contrarian
getting beat up on social media. But I love the
fact that Draymond Green came out and said I couldn't
believe Lebron was gas the other night. Draymond is friends
with Lebron James. He doesn't care. I have no problem
with most analysts have relationships. I mean, Troy Aikman obviously
(07:13):
knows Jerry Jones, but I never felt Troy Aikman had
a problem ripping Jerry Jones and criticizing Jerry Jones. But
I think that shows the fortitude and the fearlessness of
Draymond Greene is he doesn't care about his relationships. The
bottom line here is Lebron did look gassed. Jason McIntyre
(07:34):
was at the game, game was over, Lebron was done.
Hands on hips. It should be twenty twentieth year in
the NBA, but I think Barkley and Draymond have really separated.
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My buddy Mike Silver, part of the volume, longtime NFL reporter,
writes for Ballet Sports in the San Francisco Chronicle. Actually,
(09:23):
begin they're gonna be doing some warrior games since he
knows Steve Kerran knows hoops, which is great. We'll get
into that in a second. So, Daniel Snyder, it's hard
to ruin a great brand, right, like like like Downald
Sterling was a bad human, but that was never a
great brand, right. Robert Sarver did all he could to
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ruin the Suns, but it wasn't a huge national brand. Seventies, eighties, nineties,
Washington was the Packers. I mean they were when I
was a kid growing up. They were the franchise after
Dallas and the Steelers, it's it's such a great fan base, exactly, exactly.
So a lot of people felt, despite the harassment charges,
(10:05):
that the owners would support Dan Snyder and he would
just figure out a way despite bad pr to hang around.
Any insight to what possibly happened, well, I think one
thing that happened is that one of his own publicly
started talking about maybe kicking him out. And I know
(10:25):
Jim murs say really, really well. I admire his conviction.
He goes against the grain at times. It's possible Jim
Mursay just spoke honestly and from his heart. It's also
possible that Jim Ursay had had some conversations with other
owners who said, you know what, we agree with you,
and if you say that, you know you'd have our
(10:50):
at least quiet support. But that was not insignificant when
Jim Ursay started public you know, came out publicly and said, yeah,
I don't know, maybe we should get rid of this guy.
And Jim Ursay has three daughters, he's very close to him.
He didn't like the way that the allocations against Stan
Snyder were selling NFL owners and the league. Um, you know,
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prior to that, it had been thought well, a lot
of owners have skeletons. Trust me, I worked I worked
for them for eight years. Trust me. They do a
whole other podcast topic. But you know a lot of
owners have skeletons, and a lot of owners more charitably
could have people come out of the woodwork to accuse
them of things that maybe aren't totally accurate. But they
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didn't want to open that can of worms where you know, okay,
if accusations happen, it sets the stage for these franchises.
They want to be generational that while we've been on
this podcast that you know, each one is appreciated and
another hundred thousand dollars or something. You know, they didn't
want to open that can of worms. And remember Jerry
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Richardson and face some pretty serious allegations just passed away recently.
That problem got solved because he was older and he
was just done. He was like, you know what, fine,
I'm out. And they didn't have to The NFL owners
didn't have to deal with it. The NBA solved the
problem twice by throwing money at the problem. Essentially a
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having the balls Adam Silver on its like first day
on the job to say you're out. Donald Stirling, whether
it's constitutional or not. And then a giant offer from
Steve Ballmer and again with the sons that happened with Starvers.
So you know, this is a little bit of all
of that. Daniel Sneider wasn't gonna make it easy and
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walk away, but I think once he heard Jim Mursay
say that, he realized, man, something has turned. Now the
next least popular owner is Jimmy Haslum, who infuriated owners
for another reason and agreed bad fully guaranteed contract to
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Deshaun Watson. So if we had a ranking of least
popular owners among other billionaire owners, haslam now is number one. Right. Well,
that's so cool that you broached that because I used
to do oder rakings. As far as I know, I'm
the only one who I did them annually for SI
(13:23):
dot com and then Yahoo, and of course they were
my rankings about who I thought were doing the best
jobs of owning teams. But that actually has my wheels spitting, Like,
what about an insight e oder rakings of which owners
are the most hated among the other owners. And you know,
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you bring up a good point, but I think in
the end, you know, yeah, that frustrated other owners that
Jimmy Haslum did that because now we got to deal
with this guaranteed contract stuff. And other owners didn't like
it when David Tepper came in and gave Matt Rule.
Sound weird in retrospect, but gave Matt Rule all that
money because it messed up the coaching contract market. But
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I feel like owners get over that stuff, you know, eventually,
but the you know what, owners can't get over allegations
if proven, and maybe we'll never know that one owner,
Daniel Snyder allegedly cooked the books and screwed them out
of their share of the gate. That's less forgivable, you
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know for the billionaire set. So yeah, they tend to
stick together. They tend to not want to set precedents like, oh,
a couple of accusations could knock ex owner out of
the league and make them lose this incredible investment. But
you know, Daniel Snyder put them through the rigor in
a lot of ways, and Ursy possibly knowing that he
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spoke for a larger contingent, was kind of like, Okay,
this is this is a nightmare. Look if the Colts
play the Commanders, if they're still called that at the
FedEx Field or a new stadium at Jim Ursay takes
the field pregame to go schmooz. He should get like
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an adoring celebration at a prolonged ovation from those Washington
fans for a huge, huge assist on getting Daniel Snyder
the f out, because heaven knows, it's been long coming
and it's tough to shed any tears. By the way,
there's usually about any given time about seven or eight
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great quarterbacks in the NFL, seven or eight great coaches
in the NFL, and seven or eight great gms in
the league. I'd argue they're not seven or eight great owners.
I'm dead serious, Like yeah, I mean that's again like
doing the Rakings all those years. I really had to
think about it. You would here, I'll say it a
different way. You would think that the people who own
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NFL teams because they've succeeded or been born into success.
But the ones who succeeded, you'd think they're competitive people.
And now they're in the public eye. You'd think thirty
two people would be going after it. I'll do anything
to win. Nah, it's a much, much, much smaller number.
There's a large segment of ownership. That's like, you know what,
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franchises appreciating. We're guaranteed a profit simply from the TV
deals alone. And if we win, cool. If we win
once in a while, great, If we win more than
once in a while, right on, let's ride that wave.
But they're not living and breathing in it. So when
I did the rankings, the people who lived and breathed
it aggressively trying to generate revenue and then aggressively tried
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to look for ways to spend that revenue, either through
salary cap manipulation or non cap expenditures. Like coaches. I
put very high, which is paradoxically weirdly, in my very
first owner rankings, I had Daniel s Or crazy high
because my thought was, yeah, he's he's got terrible people's skills.
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He does things to undermine his coach at GM by
budding up to players, but at least he's trying really
hard to get money and use that money to win,
and he really wanted to win. He fell more and
more as the rankings went on, and unfortunately the rankings
didn't go on long enough for him to really really
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you know, go to his rightful place. But yeah, and
I just wanted to give a very brief history lesson
for you non old people. And you'll remember some of
this column. You probably weren't paying his close of attention.
But the old NFL I called the bullet Burrow bosses.
You had all these families that kind of had teams,
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and they were like, we're gonna share everything. We're just
gonna share the revenue from the TV deals, We're gonna
share a revenue from the gate. We're gonna split it up,
and we're all gonna do things equally. And you know,
as lefty as I could get sometimes when it comes
to NFL economics, I'm very like invisible hand free market.
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And I sided with the Eddie de barbelows of the
Jerry Joneses who shook things up and said, wait a minute,
why are we sitting around, you know, taking our guaranteed
money and not trying to aggressively generate revenue. We're these
incredibly valuable franchises. Let's get after it. And it turned
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they tried to turn that into ways to get ahead
on the field and to the point where, oh, we
got to create a salary capture. So the NFL has
a lot of communist socialist properties, they share money, they
have a worse Shelby first scheduling formula. They have a
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worse Shelby first draft formula. And I could go on
and on and on about you know, central control and
all that, but you know there are there's still some
old Guard owners who subscribe to that model. And I
will give it to Daniel Snyder that he was not
one of those. So I want to talk about the
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Niners because you have such in depth, you have tentacles
all over that organization. And by the way, increasingly when
I follow your Twitter feed, all your critics are lightening
up because you've been right so many times and broken
so many stories. They are like silver, I hate, yeah, whatever,
what's the latest news. So the trail hand stuff is interesting.
I was talking to Jordan Palmer the other day and
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he's like, you know, if you look at the offense
San Francisco runs, a lot of these plays are scheme
to succeed. Sam Darnold's going to have the best protection,
the best weapons, the best coach he's ever had. And
we know he's a big, strong, athletic kit and coachable
and hard working. He's just not accurate enough. But this
system makes you more accurate. Don't be shocked if Jimmy
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Garoppolo's not nearly as good with the Raiders as he
was of the Niners. So brock Purty, I think the
franchise likes a lot, and Sam Darnold in house, we
all know at some point, and I think the Niners
are and even some of the soundbites and some of
the quotes from your articles, they're going to move off
something if they missed. They're not going to try to
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double down on wrong. Let's just be honest. Could Tray
Lance be moved before the season. He could, but I
believe that brock Purty's injury and the uncertainty that still
surrounds his recovery made that much much less likely. Before
the playoffs, I wrote and reported it's over. Brock Purty's
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the guy because they want to go with this model
where they pay everybody and have the quarterback on the
rookie deal. Yeah, that's that's what trading for that pick
was about. That's what drafting Lance was supposed to be about.
And with Purdie, the models even better. You're not even
allowed to reopen his contract for two more years. It's
even cheaper than Trail as his deal, and they and
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he showed Kyle Shandahan. You know, people are like, well,
how can you say Purty. I'm like, I'm not saying that.
Kyle believes it based on what he saw from Purdy.
He's the guy. So going into that Philly game for
the Conference championship, the only thing that could have derailed
that plan was what happened. If Rock Purty had broken
his leg, it would have been brutal and it would
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have hurt and it would have sucked. But they would
have been like, fine, he'll come back. It's because of
what happened to was throwing elbow. You're not totally sure, Ay,
you're not sure when, and b you're still not positive
that it's gonna be like it was before. And I
have PTSD because a lot of my Twitter critics probably
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weren't born when I was right about the Joe Batana
Steve Young stuff. But Joe Batana missed basically two seasons
after elbow surgeries, and he did come back after that
and have two really really good years with the Chiefs,
but nothing is promised. And so I think because of that,
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it gives them an opening to say, look, we knew
Lance was going to take a while to develop because
he was raw. It's taken longer. It didn't work when
we just handed it to him last year. We ended
up having to bring Garoppolo back as a hedge and
ultimately turned to Party. But maybe we can develop him
and use this offseason to get him some more reps.
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And I don't know if this offense makes you more accurate,
because you're going to have to be more accurate than
or consistently accurate than Trey Lance was before he got
hurt last year. But you know, there's still a lot
of things to potentially like about him. So I believe
what they'll do is they'll say, look, Party's not going
to be here till at least the start of the season,
maybe longer. We're gonna split reps between Lance and Darnold.
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See how they react, see what we have. Basically, if
one of them has to start the opener, it's the
guy we think gives us the best chance to win.
And I think one thing that people are missing here
is that when they say, well, they're gonna trade tray
lads and admit their mistake, Yeah, eventually they're going to
admit their mistake. If it was a mistake, but they're
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not fielding offers to like get back in the first
round for tray Lads. And I know it only takes
one team, but if they trade tray Lads now, I
think it's for a three or something. And so I
just don't think you have urgency too. You don't know
about Pertie. You'd like another option, you'd like to see
if you could develop a more because you do have
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a lot invested in them. You're not paying them a lot,
and you could always move them, you know, a year
from now, if it goes the way you wanted to
with Perty, and possibly if it does with Darnold. So
I think if someone called him and said we will
give you a two like something, they thought, oh yeah,
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they yeah. I think if someone calls it says we'll
give you a three for tray Lads, they go a three. Well,
let's see, we currently have ninety six picks in the
third round. Ye, not all these guys are gonna make
our team. I mean, I just don't think. I think
I'd rather have a chance to you know, develop them
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this offseason. Maybe they will. I don't even think they'll
necessarily get offered to three, right now. But listen, if
he goes out and looks good in the preseason and
possibly earlier the season, they could get a lot more
for him a year from now. So you went to
cal Aaron Rodgers did. But Aaron Rodgers has gotten a
little bit more indifferent and critical of the media over
(24:34):
the last several years. And I said this on the
show today. There's a lot of reports now that this
thing won't get done Jets and Packers until after the draft.
So Green Bay does have a need at tied end
that's fairly urgent. They'll probably draft a tight end in
the first round. They need another receiver, pretty thin and
young at receiver. They'll go that in the second round.
But the roster is good, not great, but it's good.
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It's not San Francisco, it's not Philadelphia. I don't think
it's as good maybe as you know a Buffalo or
as you know the top teams in the AFC. But
it's a good roster. I believe that Aaron if he
just came out and just said, guys, I'm in for
two years minimum, it would be over. Then the Jets
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would be like, okay, we know it, you know it.
But I said this today and I've been critical of Aaron.
But Aaron's too smart to not know that once you
take the most money, you won't have the best roster.
He took the money. He's too smart to think, yeah,
two rookie receivers, I'm not going to work with him
in the off season. That'll work great. I honestly think
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that we all make choices on what matters to us.
You have a great family, great friends in your career.
You have prioritized those and they're all strong. Some people
care about their career, some people care about social life
somewhat less stress. Aaron's made a decision, in my opinion,
and winning. Second, what he wants is control roll over
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the media, over situations, over the Packers. That he could
end all this bullshit. He can end the drama, Mike.
If he just said two years I'm in, I'll think
about a third. Why doesn't he do that? Well, First
of all, I've also made some bad decisions in terms
of priorities, specifically continuing to root for cal which is
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you know, no, and I joke, but you know, charitably,
for Aaron, I would say this, he said he was
thinking about retiring, you know, very seriously recently that's what
he you know, will take up at his word. It's
I think it's better not to say I've been for
two years if you're not sure that you are. And sure,
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he could say I've been for two years and you
know by December being like, oh, I'm you know, this
is terrible, I'm out of here. But maybe it's to
his credit that he's not sure he's in for two years.
And listen, I know I know from talking to my
sources that the Jets understand that there's a scenario where
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he only plays one and they are not telling the packers. Sorry, man,
you know, we take it or leave it. What they're
saying to the packers is, look, man, you know if
he comes and he plays one year, we give up
all this. That seems kind of skewed. Is there a
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mechanism in this trade where if that happens, we get
something back after he retires, And I think that's you know,
they consider that a reasonable request. So yeah, Aaron could
end that if he just said I'm in for two.
But maybe it's to Aaron's credit that he's not saying
that because he's just not sure. Your guess how long
he would play with the Jets. I think it's two.
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It could. You know, Aaron's career, first year as a
starter in Green Bay, first year with Hackett, it has
taken him usually because I've been told he's not a
big grinder in the offseason like a Brady A Peyton
or Russell Wilson, that Aaron's second year is usually the
year he pops. Well, I don't think he wants to
do a one walk off and be average. I think
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I think he wants to end. It's good for his legacy,
it's good for money, it's good. I think he wants
to have a reviable year and I don't think his
first year, frankly, is going to be great. But he
doesn't consider this year one first of all, Year one
with Hackett on the floor was a whole new scheme
and that I believe that was a legitimate adjustment. By
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the way they got to the NFC Championship game. He
did not have a great statistical year, but they went
thirteen to three. He got to the NFC Championship Game.
But I think the way that he and the Jets
are thinking of this is this is essentially year four
after a gap, because it's Hackett, and because it's that offense.
And it's not like Hackett plus the floor by the
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way attack, it plus Salo, who's like you run the offense.
I'm you know, I'll keep an eye on my specialty,
which is defense. So if you believe that Aaron and
Hackett are now resuming a very fruitful partnership that won
consecutive MVPs their next two years together, and it's the
Jets receivers and other players who are going to have
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to adjust to that, Aaron may not think it's he
Aaron probably thinks I'm going to just be rolling for
the get go. But going back to what you said earlier,
just as he made a decision not to work with
the new receivers a year ago, when clearly, as Patrick
Mahobes could tell you, that was an important thing to
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do for winning, I think that's what you need to
look at. If this trade doesn't get done Draft weekend,
you will probably hear I suspect, Hey, it turns out
Aaron Rodgers and Garrett Wilson and Alan Lazard and you
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know all those Jets targets are working out in la
or somewhere and there because there's nothing to stop him.
You can't say he's tampering, and you can't say Garrett
Wilson's tampering. So I think it is important to hit
the ground running at year one and that that'll be
the way we know if there's no trade right away
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or the next couple of weeks, would I would expect
we'll see him and those guys for the Jets start
to work together, as Mike Silver is prone to do
either strong opinions or breaking stories. There was a report
about Nick Cesario, former Patriot now running the Texans, that
he may be going back to New England, which would
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not shock me because cal McNair and I've got pretty
good intel on this. It's one of the stranger owners
to work within the NFL. I'll just leave it at that.
It's interesting. Tell me your thoughts on that rumor, because
I think Demiko Ryans is gonna now mostly run the show.
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Is it a power struggle? What is it? So I
piled onto this rumor today and I'll walk you through.
You know, we live in this little insular, gossipy world
and it is so quaint on social media or otherwise.
When people say they don't leak, the forty nine ers
don't leak. They don't talk, and fans think they know
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things and that journalists would never know things because they
don't leak. Like, if you fans understood how much talking
is going on at all times in our little world,
you would be you know, your mind would be. I'm
not I won't reveal too many secrets, but you know
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what I mean. Oh yeah, So at the owners meetings recently,
there are a lot of people there, including me, and
a lot of drinking, lot of talking, and I heard
a lot of talking about Nick as Sarrio, and I
wasn't hearing, hey, I want to go back to New England.
I was hearing, hey, he's out, He's gonna be out now.
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I didn't hear it from a source or source says
good enough to report this is happening. So I want
to be clear. I heard that rumor along with other people,
that Nick Cassario is going to be out after the draft,
and that would presumably be a hey, we're hiring Debiko Ryans. Demiko,
don't worry, we're gonna get you. Let you get your
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own GM. Just let's wait, let's do it after the draft.
Not necessarily, Debco Ryans put a hit on him but
it was just part of the process of bringing in
de Vico Ryans as I heard it now. I didn't
report this because this was basically other people in our
world GMS coaches the kind of people who go to
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owner meetings telling me, Hey, this is what I have
been hearing, and they usually know things. So I didn't
report it. I just stood on it. Then some rumor
reports of rumors started coming out, so finally I piled
onto a tweet from Mike Florio who said the rumor
is next Casserio blah blah blah, and I said, to
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further flesh out that rumor, the talk is that the
Texans would then target forty nine Ers assistant general manager
Adam Peters. So I guess I'm now piling onto a
report of a rumor. It's not reporting this is happening,
but I am reporting that there's a lot of talk
that Nickosserio, none of his own volition, would be gone
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after the draft, and that Damiko Ryan's guy that they
would want is Adam Peters. They've obviously worked together in
San Francisco. Adam Peters is a very well regarded personnel
guy who took his name out of the hat when
Tennessee and Arizona had their recent openings and basically said, Hey,
I like it in San Francisco. I like being John
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Lynch's number two. I'm good for now. Now. That could
have been theoretically with knowledge that hey, he's and is
looking like it might happen. That could have happened independently,
or these could all be rumors, But I don't think.
I think there was so much talk that at least
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this is being pondered. Um, all right, let's pivot to
you're going to cover some games for the San Francisco Chronicle.
You're good friends with Steve Kerr. They're easily the most
interesting team in the league. So first of all, tell
the audience most No, many don't your relationship with Kerr,
who I covered in Portland and you've known for years.
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Well so back when I was learning about journalism in
high school, they would have told you you have you
can't cover you know a guy or a team that
you love and you know we as you know, we
don't root for teams the way fans do. That's not
a thing. But I have to go full disclosure on
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Steve Kerr, and he could he knows how I was
taught because he and I we're high school journalists. Together.
We co wrote a sports column for our high school
paper in Los Angeles. The paper was called The Palisades Tideline.
Our column was called the Rip Tide, and it lived
down to its name. Trust And you know he is.
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You know, he's a very good friend of mine, an
awesome person, and as we do with friends, I stick
up for him. I'm so proud of all the things
about it, including his coaching. So it's I can't be
an objective person when it comes to him. But there's
another wrinkle to this. I did grow up in Los Angeles,
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but I was like the only Warrior fan at our
school because I was born in San Francisco, So I
got clowned by everyone, including Steve Kerr for being the
Warrior guy. So the deliciousness of all of this and
the run of the last nine years a lifelog Warrior
fan working for NFL Network for most of it, so
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I didn't have to worry about journalism because I don't
cover basketball and Steve it's been an incredible ride. Well,
now I'm at the San Francisco Chronicle. I am a columnist,
and though columnists give their opinion. You know, we cover things.
And so now I've been this weird position where it's
like I'm not really a Warrior fan anymore because I'm
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a columnist, but I grew up one. I've been one
for all these cur years. And of course I am
rooting for my friend. So I am going to write
the first of several Warrior columns that it's I'm gonna
write it after this podcast and probably to borrow boarding,
and I'm gonna go full disclosure. Steve Currs, my boy,
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here are some things I love about them. But you know,
of course, what Steve and I talk about this stuff
a joke. I've always like, yeah, dude, I'm gonna say
the game has passed you by. If the Warriors know,
anyone could coach the Warriors, but it's time for a change,
and I'm gonna bring the hammer down. Mike Silver is
always money the volume. Make sure to check out the
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