Colin is joined by Nick Wright, host of “First Things First” on FS1!
They HAD to start with Colin’s recent take about Trump’s conviction that went viral on social media (3:00), why they don’t buy the doomsayers take on society (6:00) and why the constant grievance politics doesn’t work for them (11:00)
Then, they pivot to the WNBA and why its explosion in popularity due to Caitlin Clark was bound to be “messy” (19:30). They compare it to the NBA and conclude that the WNBA is actually MORE physical than the NBA (27:30) and why Angel Reese taking on a “villain” role is great for the sport (35:00)
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Speaker 3 (01:25):
It before you even get going. I can I say
something on Colin Cowherd's behalf, Okay, I am, And we
don't have to spend any time on this other than
this statement I want to make. I am offended on
behalf of my dear friend, Colin Cowherd, that so much
(01:48):
of the Internet reacted surprised by your agent thoughtful and
dare I say obvious take on Donald Trump. The amount
of people that were like, oh, I was worried Colin
was a Trump, I'm like, have you been a lot?
Like I'm not saying that Colin was out here, you know,
(02:12):
knocking doors for Bernie Sanders, but the idea that there
were people that were they were like, oh, what a
pleasant surprise. I'm like surprise. And so, first of all,
I'm glad you said what you said, but I'm also
kind of offended on your behalf that people were surprised
by it. So I just wanted to say that off
(02:33):
the top, and then we can do what everything well.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
I well, I had a comment one time and it
wasn't an endorsement of anything. I just said, I have
this feeling we're going to see a red wave during
mid terms because of the way one of the things
I didn't love. I don't love when government overreaches on anything.
And I thought some of the COVID stuff, it's like,
let Californians take their kids to the beach, it's a
virus get in the sun. I thought they were a
(02:55):
little over the top. And I said, I got a
I think we're going to see a red wave. It
wasn't an endorsement.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
So I remember when that happened, and I think do
so maybe that is where the surprise came from. Ye,
I think some people took that as a hope rather
than a prediction. And you know that you were just
saying because we talked about it. I think more so
in the moment about the pessimism or optimism about what
(03:21):
was going to happen. But yeah, okay, So maybe that's
where the surprise came from because people saw that. And
by the way, in those that specific midterms, a lot
of people that were just crunching the numbers, you know,
the pollsters and stuff, thought that was certainly very in
play that this last round of that round of midterms,
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there was going to be significantly more you know, conservative
Republican gains than there were, So maybe that's where it
came from. But I was just I was. I was
very pleased listening to the pod, and I was initially
pleased by the reaction, and then I was I started
getting annoyed by it. I was like, yeah, of course,
you think Colin's out here hanging out in southern California
(04:02):
wearing a red hat, Like, give me a break, guys,
but go ahead.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Well, for the record, sometimes I just like to be instructive.
The dollar in America, For all those lamenting the economy,
our dollar right now is the strongest it's nineteen eighty.
What does that mean? That means, folks, if you have
the wherewithal financially to travel overseas go this summer, that's
(04:29):
the dollar will buy you more. What you know it means, obviously,
you know our dollar on the exports imports. A strong
dollar is always an economic advantage for us. But what
it really means to the common person is if you
can ever go to Europe go the dollars hasn't been
this strong since nineteen eighty, So everybody lamenting the economy.
(04:51):
Nobody's saying it's like the dot com Bill Clinton era,
right when, like you know, Grocer dot com skyrockets and
like is losing money, But we're saying it's not. Seventy
two percent of Americans now believe that. That's what I
read yesterday, that their economy, their finances are fine, but
the country is to believed.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
So that that it's a similar thing. By the way,
and then again we can move off this. I shouldn't
have said this off the top, but it's similar, which is,
how dangerous is your neighborhood, Oh, it's pretty safe. How
dangerous is the country? Terribly dangerous? Like it is. There
is a lot of that, and I don't think I
don't think anyone would argue right now everything's perfect or
(05:32):
ideal or even necessary necessarily the best it's been in
the last ten years, twenty years, whatever. But the point
you made, which is trying to sell you an America
that doesn't exist, I thought that you don't see I
thought was very a very smart way of putting it, Like,
it is very difficult to say these like that. There
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is this level of crises in every sector of life
going on, and for anyone who experiences daily life to
then be like, well, I'm not seeing any of the
you know, I'm not seeing that, and so yeah, I
obviously agreed with you, but yeah, go ahead, as you were.
I don't know where we're going to start.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah, yeah, well I can always tell when somebody is
not from Southern California, they say you live in a
gated community outside of Hidden Hills, which is like the
Kardashian neighborhood. Southern California doesn't gate a lot of its communities.
Now Orange County might, but La County doesn't. So I mean,
there's some Beverly Hills stuff, but you can drive all
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over the flats of Beverly Hills and there's no gates there.
So you can drive up right next to a Hollywood
director in Beverly Hills. So whenever anybody says like, oh,
you live in your gated community, it's like, no, that
you'll see more of those in Cincinnati per capita than here.
Like on golf courses. LA's really frankly quite open. There's
an area in Malibu which is hard to get into
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with stars Beverly Hills on the Denzel Washington, the hillside
very difficult to get into. Orange County's got more of
it tends to be a bit more conservative, golf course driven.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Where I live.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
I right now live in an apartment by young people.
Like this idea that I'm by, I'm mansioned and it's like,
and for the record, I don't really care what anybody
thinks about my you know, if you like me, great,
if you don't find But my point is is that
I got a bullshit meter that's pretty good. And like,
if you keep selling me on something, I'm walking around
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the town and where I live right now as young people,
it's not a wealthy area and it's like, no, there's.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
A wolf factor there just is if you can't always
tell me that you know what I mean, the collapse
is around the corner, imminent happening. And it even more
so if you try to sell me in my opinion
three and a half years ago, if you don't reelect me,
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then hell will be at your doors. Then three and
a half years later you kind of have to pretend
hell is at your doors. And I don't think that's
what most people are experiencing. I'm not acting like to
be there. It's times aren't tough I'm not acting like,
you know, inflation didn't really hit a lot of people hard.
I'm like things are perfect. I'm like any that there
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are that things are going swimmingly across the board. But
somewhere between things being you know, the greatest they've ever
been and the worst they've ever been is reality, and
I think it is. I don't think anyone is trying
to sell us it's the best it's ever been, because
that wouldn't be, I think, believable. But you do have
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people trying to sell us that it is the worst
it's ever been, and that's not that's right, that's I
don't think what most people. It's hard to sell that
when you know unemployments at four percent are below it's
the there are certain things yeah with that, it's just
people aren't going to buy it, even if we wish
things were better.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
But go ahead, Yeah, and I and I also think
the truth is we have many challenges ahead of us
as a society, and there's no perfect administration. And I
never seek I don't ask my wife to be perfect
or my employer to be perfect.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
I hope you're on the right side of.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Big environmental issues, on big economic issues, but I don't
ask for perfection and but but I mean, we do
have challenges going forward. I tend to when it comes
to politics, I'm looking at your policies more than people
and I and I told this to a conservative friend
of mine. You guys have got to shift out of grievance.
(09:39):
That's not a policy. Like, you can't just go angry
until election day. You have to at some point pivot
to and here's two or three peas.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
You've got to at some point have some shite you
And by the way, both there is a and I'm
I hate when people do the both parties thing, but
in this regard, it's true. Both parties when they're out
of power are doing more of the here's what's wrong.
I totally get that, Yes, but there needs to be
a level of and here is my plan, you know
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what I mean? Like that, here is.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
The say what you will think about? Go ahead, think
about this. You go on a date with a girl
and all she does is bitch about her ex boyfriend
instead of talking about hey, like, this is what I
like to do? What do you want to do together?
Like there's a level of anger and resentment and grievance
it's got you can fill the cup up pretty quickly,
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like at some point pivot to all right, let's get
optimistic on this thing. Here's what we're doing. You gotta
it's like almost like I used to have a boss
he passed away, Larry Kenop, and he used to always
say it was a really I really used it, he said.
You know, sometimes you have to put your arm around
it in an employee and with your left leg kick
him in the ass. You can't just rip him for
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fifteen in it. You got to put your arm around
him and say, boy, I'm pissed off, I'm pissed off,
or I really love you. But managers, coaches, politicians, it
can't be a fire hose of grievance. You've got to
give me positive.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
And you've got any really any you mentioned relationship, any like,
not just dating, romantic relationship. Nobody wants to have dinner
or drinks with the friend that the moment you sit down,
it's just woe is me. Here's here is the last
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awful thing. You know, if I didn't have bad luck,
I wouldn't have any you know what I mean. That's
the story of my life. No, and I'm not again,
I am not trying to be toned up. I understand
some people really really have it rough. But the folks
who no matter and all of us know these people
that no matter the situation that's going on, they are
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always either in crisis real or imagined, or they have
just you won't believe how I just got screwed over.
Let me tell you about it. That person's exhausting. And
it doesn't mean you don't want you don't have the
empathy for someone when something happens. But the people that
I think are most magnetic, most attractive in as far
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as to spend time with, are people that almost no
matter what's going on, they're either looking forward, solution orient oriented,
or they're just you know, they are trying to figure
out a way through. And that's the people you want
to hang out with. Those are the and for a
lot of in my opinion, whether this is the right
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or the wrong way to elect politicians, a lot of
what decides close elections is the old who do you
want to have a beer with? Test? Again, I think
that's kind of dumb, but that is It's been shown
time and again, and I just don't think people love
the whiner and I and I. At one point in
time it felt to me like the conservative wing of
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America had done a really good job, whether it's accurate
or not, of marketing themselves as the we'll figure this out.
Bad shit happens. Yeah, but you know what, whatever it is,
we are going to And again, even if I think
it was bullshit marketing, it was the way people people
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associated with it, and they associated the left with more
of the whining and complaining. That is, if you tell
me right now that there is a politician that just
did a thirty minute interview and all they did was
bitch and moan. I don't associate that with AOC. I don't.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Now.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
You might say AOC has bad ideas, but she has ideas.
She came into Congress She's like, hey, green, new deal,
I want to remake everything. Here's the bill. And you
might say that's a disastrous bill. What you didn't come
in and say is, oh, it's so unfair. What's happening
to me? Everyone's out to get me. No, I just
don't find that personally inspired. And there's the political thing.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Yeah, no, no, that's I always thought.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
I've said this before.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
My two favorite politicians ever are Reagan and Obama and
there was, they weren't. Neither was catastrophic, and I've worked
with people who are catastrophic where the sky is falling.
And Reagan always had a smile on his face and
we'll figure it out. He was a very positive guy.
Reagan just felt like, good morning in America. We're gonna
make it work. This is the greatest country.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
I loved.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Reagan and Obama always had a this job is hard.
Let's take a deep breath. I'm gonna wear a beas suit.
Don't freak out. This job is not easy. Phil Knight
has a manifesto. When he started Nike, he wrote down
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ten and a lot of this you could see in
Air the movie Air Ben Affleck and number nine on
it was this will be messy. And one of the
real things I talked about today about the WNBA was
we are seeing this moment in time where this league.
And I've always said, I'm in the omelet business, not
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the egg business. I don't make you interesting. When you're made,
I talk about you, not my job to make the omelet.
I'll report on the omelet. So I didn't talk about
the WNBA because, frankly, it didn't get ratings. I mean Jesus,
the finals got seven hundred thousand. Now you have a
catalyst that explodes when a business explodes. It could be
a tech business, pharmaceutical business, it could be a law firm.
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When something explodes, shit gets messy, and we're in the
messy phase. For the WNBA. Their early schedule for the
Fever is insane. They're played twice lay.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
A game played colin from previous Friday until Sunday. That
nine day stretch, they play as many games as the
Aces have played all year. They it was and it
was again from a marketing standpoint, I got it. Put
Caitlyn as many places as possible. From a the you know,
the Fever played eleven game, the Finding champs have played six.
(16:14):
Now that maybe that was sneaky, brilliant, and then I'll
let you finish. I'm sorry because it will lead to
I think Caitlin being awesome at the end of the year,
because all of a sudden, she's gonna be the most
rested player in every game because they got they have
no more back to backs, they have no more three
games in four nights. So the rest of the year
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she's gonna have real time in between it, but they
were they but go ahead, you were. You were making
a point that I interrupted.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
So it's just an it's an exploding business. For the
first time it was you know, let's we all know
the backstory on the w NBA that it was subsidized
by the NBA for a decade. Now they moved into
smaller arenas, it wasn't terribly profitable. Las Vegas has sort
of figured it out first to be the first franchise
that's making real money, almost has an an ideal with
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its players. But the point being is this is an explosion,
and you see it in tech all the time. You
just quite it's it's hard to predict the unpredictable, and
so I.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Think so much of the Caitlyn Clark WNBA commentary has
actually been some weird media meta commentary about the commentary,
like it has been very like the basketball stuff, I
think is pretty straightforward. This is a hell of a
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rookie class. Cameron brank is going to be a star.
Angel Reese is going to be a star, Caitlyn Clark
is going to be a superstar, and maybe those other
two will as well. And they have brought a lot
of eyeballs. Caitlyn Clark's team seems to really be struggling,
probably in part because they had the number one pick
the last two years for a reason, and partially because
of this schedule. And is there some predictable jealousy either,
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just based purely on attention and economics? Is some of
it about ads rookie and some hazing short, all that
stuff kind of to me is a pretty straightforward sports story,
up to and including the foul heard around the world
that was just a hard flagrant, not even a flagrant too,
like it was a hard foul. But the commentary has
(18:22):
really been about the commentary, and there's so many levels
to it. So I want to start with the first
thing you said, which is like thought exercise. Let's say
in five years there is a Tiger Woods like athlete
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and and some would say, oh, we've already had it,
but no Tiger Woods esque in that he captures everyone's
attention in hockey. Do we then need to go on
the air and be like, we are so sorry that
we weren't covering hockey before we did a moral disservice.
(19:08):
I don't feel we do, and so I don't feel
when folks have been like, well, you're new to the party, Like, well,
in our specific business, the party just got going. Now.
It doesn't mean it was not worth a worthwhile league.
It doesn't mean I'm not glad it exists. But I
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on my show, I barely talk about professional baseball. I
don't talk anything about hockey. It'd be one thing if
on our shows we were talking eleven different sports and
just like, nope, we have time for cricket, but we're
not making time for the WNBA. That's not the truth.
That's not how these shows work. And there has been
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to me an element of what I would compare to
the hipster band phenomenon, which is if there is a
band that all of a sudden is playing arenas, but
a year ago was playing eight hundred person venues. The
folks who were the fan of the band then sometimes
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are like, oh, you know, I was here before it
was popular, and they're almost snarky towards the new people,
as opposed to being like, hey, I always knew this
was awesome, Glad you're here now. So I don't love that,
and I think so I think that is problematic in one
direction from a media perspective. Here's another thing. I think
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is problematic from a media perspective. In the other direction,
folks who clearly have the attitude of you should be
happy I'm even talking about your sport. Therefore, none of
my opinions are open for criticism because you're just lucky
to be getting my opinions. I think that's bullshit too.
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And I think if it were or if it were hockey,
or if it were the MLS, I think people would
have an easier time with it. Because there is the
gender aspect of it. People are nervous about how we
talk about it. And then you add to it that
there is also a very obvious now we can talk
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about how significant, but an obvious at least component of
a racial component, which is it is odd that this
league that is majority black, a disproportionate amount of its
stars have been white women throughout history and now its
biggest star is a white woman. That is an added
landmine or a complication, whatever you want to put it.
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And I think because people are so afraid of all
of this, everyone's just freaking out and losing their mind
about a foul and who's talking what, And all of
a sudden, now the WNBA without anyone mentioning, Hey, the
Connecticut Sun are undefeated is taking up more airtime than
it has in the last five years combined. It's a
fascinating media story as much as anything.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I thought.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
James Jones, who's been watching the WNBA for years, had
the most prescient, prescient point on it. I thought it
was really smart. I didn't think about this.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
He says.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
The biggest difference between the NBA and the WNBA is
the NBA is much more vertical. You may occasionally have
a woman break away in the WNBA and dunk it.
Men go through the lane, jump over other men, and jampers,
often behind their head. Both leagues can shoot, Both leagues
can move their feet, both leagues can rebound. Both leagues
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can pass. The NBA men jump over other six or
eight men and duncan in their face regularly, he said.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Because of that.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
The WNBA is more physical. You score through physical banging body.
You don't go over, you go into. Oh, it's fascinating,
he said. The WNBA is actually more physical than the NBA.
The NBA is no hand check. You can't stay in
front of anybody. The Biggs all shoot threes. The lanes
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wide open. That's not the WNBA, you score bully ball.
And he said, so if you watch the WNBA for years,
it's way more physical.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Oh, so that's the NBA. So I hadn't even I
hadn't even thought about it. So I says, I, it's
a great point by James. So I considered myself like
more in I was in tune enough prior to Caitlin
Clark with the WNBA to make a significant wager before
last season on the Aces to repeat because I'm like, oh,
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they're the best team, Asia Wilson. I am not in
tune enough to tell you who the All Stars were,
you know what I mean? So I was, I was.
I was a cash visual observer of the league, which
I think makes me above average for you know, America,
but below average for the diehards because there's a level
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of the other aspect is it almost feels like Americans
who are fans of like the EPL, your English Premier League,
there is a where there's almost not don't love casuals
and casual fans. And I feel like the WNBA, for
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its first time, maybe in its existence, is experiencing casual fans.
And so that was the other thing that I thought
was so fascinating about some of the coverage of the
angel quote from yesterday. So the internet aggregators did do
something unfair to Angelry. She gave a long, thoughtful answer,
(24:53):
and they cut it right when she said, you know,
basically when she said, you know, this is because of
me too, and then right after that she then talks
about her teammate and other women, but they cut it
to where it just sounded like that. But now there's
a whole other group of people who aren't used to
(25:15):
Internet aggregators doing stuff that they've done to every athlete.
It sucks, it's unfair, and they thought Angel Reese was
getting unfairly picked on. It's like, nope, Actually, all those
accounts do that to everybody. Can they do it to Kyrie?
Do it Aaron Rodgers? They do it to anyone who
they can, because they're just trafficking clicks. And it's a
lot of to me, like, you know, almost like very
(25:42):
what's the word communities online that don't interact with each other,
who all of a sudden are getting put in the
same chat room and everyone's just yelling at d and
everyone's mad and you don't even really and there are
a lot of real things going on about it now,
like you at about the tech space and about growing.
(26:03):
I actually think all of this is going to be
good for the league, for everybody. We're getting all of
them out of the way early and by the time
you get to the you know, the part of the
season after the Women's Olympics or the after the Olympics
with women's basketball team plays, everyone's going to kind of
know the rules of engagement, who's good who from a player,
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respective who's bad, what teams are good. And people are
into it, and they do have a nice built in
time of year for their sport to be going on,
because we got a maximum of seven NBA games left
and then we are into the real dead time, and
people care what angel Resent does and they care what
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Cap does, and then people are going to by definition
care about what the best teams in Asia, Wilson those
people do. And so I think it's great. I think
it is so I think it's like having for me
right now while I'm talking to you. Behind on the screen,
right behind the camera is the Royals Guardians game because
for the first time in eight years, I'm watching every
(27:12):
baseball game the Royals play because for the first time
in eight years. They're competitive, and for me, it's like,
oh cool, Like I have a new thing that I
care about because I only am a nine hard baseball
fan when my hometown team's good, which if your Royals fan,
is about once every fifteen years. And so I go
long stretches where I only watch big game for the playoffs.
(27:33):
But it's fun to have something new. It's fun to
have a new thing to be into. And that's how
I feel about the WNBA.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Yeah, May through September. Now they play their championship in
football season. But I think I've told you this before.
I'm pretty selfish on that is that I literally know exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
When my.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Vacations are every year. I know I'm gonna work six
and a half months football, take a week off, come
back for March madness, NFL free agency, take a couple
of fridays off, do the NFL Draft, take another Friday off,
do like six to seven weeks of hard NBA, and
then I've got like two months, ten weeks of oh shit, yeah,
do a couple of vacations built in and there exactly right. Yeah,
(28:19):
And so it's like if I can get every day,
I mean today Jason mcinron Jason McIntyre Night Today spent
at least an hour on the WNBA, and.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
It was a blast.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
We had all sorts of good debates and I we
will you know when the show ends. We lovered to
get up and walk out at the same time. We
don't sit around at all, and he goes, he goes. Man.
We had some good debates and I'm like, that was
a great June show. Waiting for the NBA. I'm like,
that's as good as a June show is going to
get for three hours, and I'm like it was. There
were great debates. We talked stars and villains and rivals
(28:53):
and oh, I'm gonna scheduling business.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Can I ask you a question about villains? So I
said this on the podcast I do with my son
this morning, which was it was in the context of
Angel Rees saying, you know, I'll be the villain. Yeah,
And my take was, and maybe you can think of
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someone no one actually enjoys being the permanent villain, with
maybe one exception that I'll give you. So Lebron tried
it on, didn't fit him. Dylan Brooks literally said Dylan
the villain, and then two weeks later was like why
is everyone calling me a villain? Patrick Beverly pretends he
(29:37):
wants to be the villain, but then comes down and like, oh,
that lady in the crowd said something really mean to me.
Draymond kind of is okay with it. But also I
think Draymond wants to be liked, and I don't think
he wants to be He doesn't mind being the enforcer,
but the villain is different. I don't think there are
(29:59):
in today's in f real you know villains. So the guy,
the only one I came up with currently is I
do think Luca enjoys playing on the road more than
at home and mfing the crowd and all of it.
But I don't think it is sustainable long term to
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permanently be the villain. People might say, Reggie Miller, that
was for one so that was for one arena. Then
you know MSG. And it should be noted that Reggie
Miller was six and twelve in his career in the
playoffs in MSG. It was the worst in the He
had the worst record in MSG home road versus any
(30:47):
arena he played in his whole career more than five times.
So even though he liked said he liked being the villain.
It didn't actually, you know translate. I don't think it's
sustainable to permanently be the villain in sport. I don't
know if you agree, but that's what I thought of
when Angel said I'll do it. I think she can
do it for now. I don't think you can do
it permanently.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Yeah. I tend to believe as a performer, I am
at my best when I'm neutral, So I don't like
to be elevated, nor do I like to be the villain.
I feel like every day i'm going on, I'm walking
onto a stage and I'm performing for the audience, and
inside of a big studio, I'm performing for a camera
in Jason McIntyre, and I think I'm best performing neutral
(31:33):
is that I have strong opinions the audience. Is it
for it or against it? There have been times I've
been popular and unpopular. But I think for a performer neutral,
I mean, Jerry Seinfeld could handle a heckler, but that's
not what he would ask for. He could also ask
for a ten minute standing ovation, but that would get tedious.
Jerry's at his best when he has to earn the
(31:55):
approval and get the laughs regardless off at Caesar's Palace
or the laugh Factory in Taledo, Ohio. So I think
I think all athletes because I almost feel like it's
being it's a car racer is. I want my my
heartbeat to never fluctuate corners, flats, finish, beginning. It stays
(32:17):
the same, so my adrenaline doesn't change radically.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I don't make more.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Emotional moves or more urgent moves, So I I largely
agree with you. I think everybody likes to be liked
at some point. But I also think people sometimes understand
their roles. As a dad, I understand sometimes my voice
is deeper. Sometimes if I say, hey, knock it off,
it plays better in the room than if my wife
(32:42):
would sit like I have a more a deeper.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Richer voice.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
So I think there are roles I have played from
time to time to be the heavy in the family and.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Just say cut that shit out.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
But doing it.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
I also like to.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Be permanently that in any phase eye thing is just tough.
I think it wears on you and I'm and maybe
I am. Maybe there is an obvious athlete that I'm
just People in the comments section will tell me if
I'm forgetting one. But I can't think of an in
modern maybe again in yesteryear, but in modern America, if
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you will, I can't think of an athlete that has
successfully been just perma villain any place, anywhere, for you know,
more than a season. Again. Lebron, who I think is
as mentally tough the Dallas series in twenty eleven, notwithstanding
of any athlete we've ever seen, tried that hat on
(33:43):
for a year and that then led to the Dallas
Series and he hated it like it wore him down
so much he had the only true failure of his career.
I just don't think that's a healthy spot to be.
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but flies right by. So you know, I've been on
this thing where I talk about.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
It before you even get going. I can I say
something on Colin Cowherd's behalf, Okay, I am, And we
don't have to spend any time on this other than
this statement I want to make. I am offended on
behalf of my dear friend, Colin Cowherd, that so much
(01:48):
of the Internet reacted surprised by your agent thoughtful and
dare I say obvious take on Donald Trump. The amount
of people that were like, oh, I was worried Colin
was a Trump, I'm like, have you been a lot?
Like I'm not saying that Colin was out here, you know,
(02:12):
knocking doors for Bernie Sanders, but the idea that there
were people that were they were like, oh, what a
pleasant surprise. I'm like surprise. And so, first of all,
I'm glad you said what you said, but I'm also
kind of offended on your behalf that people were surprised
by it. So I just wanted to say that off
(02:33):
the top, and then we can do what everything well.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
I well, I had a comment one time and it
wasn't an endorsement of anything. I just said, I have
this feeling we're going to see a red wave during
mid terms because of the way one of the things
I didn't love. I don't love when government overreaches on anything.
And I thought some of the COVID stuff, it's like,
let Californians take their kids to the beach, it's a
virus get in the sun. I thought they were a
(02:55):
little over the top. And I said, I got a
I think we're going to see a red wave. It
wasn't an endorsement.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
So I remember when that happened, and I think do
so maybe that is where the surprise came from. Ye,
I think some people took that as a hope rather
than a prediction. And you know that you were just
saying because we talked about it. I think more so
in the moment about the pessimism or optimism about what
(03:21):
was going to happen. But yeah, okay, So maybe that's
where the surprise came from because people saw that. And
by the way, in those that specific midterms, a lot
of people that were just crunching the numbers, you know,
the pollsters and stuff, thought that was certainly very in
play that this last round of that round of midterms,
(03:42):
there was going to be significantly more you know, conservative
Republican gains than there were, So maybe that's where it
came from. But I was just I was. I was
very pleased listening to the pod, and I was initially
pleased by the reaction, and then I was I started
getting annoyed by it. I was like, yeah, of course,
you think Colin's out here hanging out in southern California
(04:02):
wearing a red hat, Like, give me a break, guys,
but go ahead.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Well, for the record, sometimes I just like to be instructive.
The dollar in America, For all those lamenting the economy,
our dollar right now is the strongest it's nineteen eighty.
What does that mean? That means, folks, if you have
the wherewithal financially to travel overseas go this summer, that's
(04:29):
the dollar will buy you more. What you know it means, obviously,
you know our dollar on the exports imports. A strong
dollar is always an economic advantage for us. But what
it really means to the common person is if you
can ever go to Europe go the dollars hasn't been
this strong since nineteen eighty, So everybody lamenting the economy.
(04:51):
Nobody's saying it's like the dot com Bill Clinton era,
right when, like you know, Grocer dot com skyrockets and
like is losing money, But we're saying it's not. Seventy
two percent of Americans now believe that. That's what I
read yesterday, that their economy, their finances are fine, but
the country is to believed.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
So that that it's a similar thing. By the way,
and then again we can move off this. I shouldn't
have said this off the top, but it's similar, which is,
how dangerous is your neighborhood, Oh, it's pretty safe. How
dangerous is the country? Terribly dangerous? Like it is. There
is a lot of that, and I don't think I
don't think anyone would argue right now everything's perfect or
(05:32):
ideal or even necessary necessarily the best it's been in
the last ten years, twenty years, whatever. But the point
you made, which is trying to sell you an America
that doesn't exist, I thought that you don't see I
thought was very a very smart way of putting it, Like,
it is very difficult to say these like that. There
(05:56):
is this level of crises in every sector of life
going on, and for anyone who experiences daily life to
then be like, well, I'm not seeing any of the
you know, I'm not seeing that, and so yeah, I
obviously agreed with you, but yeah, go ahead, as you were.
I don't know where we're going to start.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah, yeah, well I can always tell when somebody is
not from Southern California, they say you live in a
gated community outside of Hidden Hills, which is like the
Kardashian neighborhood. Southern California doesn't gate a lot of its communities.
Now Orange County might, but La County doesn't. So I mean,
there's some Beverly Hills stuff, but you can drive all
(06:35):
over the flats of Beverly Hills and there's no gates there.
So you can drive up right next to a Hollywood
director in Beverly Hills. So whenever anybody says like, oh,
you live in your gated community, it's like, no, that
you'll see more of those in Cincinnati per capita than here.
Like on golf courses. LA's really frankly quite open. There's
an area in Malibu which is hard to get into
(06:56):
with stars Beverly Hills on the Denzel Washington, the hillside
very difficult to get into. Orange County's got more of
it tends to be a bit more conservative, golf course driven.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Where I live.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
I right now live in an apartment by young people.
Like this idea that I'm by, I'm mansioned and it's like,
and for the record, I don't really care what anybody
thinks about my you know, if you like me, great,
if you don't find But my point is is that
I got a bullshit meter that's pretty good. And like,
if you keep selling me on something, I'm walking around
(07:27):
the town and where I live right now as young people,
it's not a wealthy area and it's like, no, there's.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
A wolf factor there just is if you can't always
tell me that you know what I mean, the collapse
is around the corner, imminent happening. And it even more
so if you try to sell me in my opinion
three and a half years ago, if you don't reelect me,
(07:57):
then hell will be at your doors. Then three and
a half years later you kind of have to pretend
hell is at your doors. And I don't think that's
what most people are experiencing. I'm not acting like to
be there. It's times aren't tough I'm not acting like,
you know, inflation didn't really hit a lot of people hard.
I'm like things are perfect. I'm like any that there
(08:17):
are that things are going swimmingly across the board. But
somewhere between things being you know, the greatest they've ever
been and the worst they've ever been is reality, and
I think it is. I don't think anyone is trying
to sell us it's the best it's ever been, because
that wouldn't be, I think, believable. But you do have
(08:38):
people trying to sell us that it is the worst
it's ever been, and that's not that's right, that's I
don't think what most people. It's hard to sell that
when you know unemployments at four percent are below it's
the there are certain things yeah with that, it's just
people aren't going to buy it, even if we wish
things were better.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
But go ahead, Yeah, and I and I also think
the truth is we have many challenges ahead of us
as a society, and there's no perfect administration. And I
never seek I don't ask my wife to be perfect
or my employer to be perfect.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
I hope you're on the right side of.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Big environmental issues, on big economic issues, but I don't
ask for perfection and but but I mean, we do
have challenges going forward. I tend to when it comes
to politics, I'm looking at your policies more than people
and I and I told this to a conservative friend
of mine. You guys have got to shift out of grievance.
(09:39):
That's not a policy. Like, you can't just go angry
until election day. You have to at some point pivot
to and here's two or three peas.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
You've got to at some point have some shite you
And by the way, both there is a and I'm
I hate when people do the both parties thing, but
in this regard, it's true. Both parties when they're out
of power are doing more of the here's what's wrong.
I totally get that, Yes, but there needs to be
a level of and here is my plan, you know
(10:12):
what I mean? Like that, here is.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
The say what you will think about? Go ahead, think
about this. You go on a date with a girl
and all she does is bitch about her ex boyfriend
instead of talking about hey, like, this is what I
like to do? What do you want to do together?
Like there's a level of anger and resentment and grievance
it's got you can fill the cup up pretty quickly,
(10:36):
like at some point pivot to all right, let's get
optimistic on this thing. Here's what we're doing. You gotta
it's like almost like I used to have a boss
he passed away, Larry Kenop, and he used to always
say it was a really I really used it, he said.
You know, sometimes you have to put your arm around
it in an employee and with your left leg kick
him in the ass. You can't just rip him for
(10:59):
fifteen in it. You got to put your arm around
him and say, boy, I'm pissed off, I'm pissed off,
or I really love you. But managers, coaches, politicians, it
can't be a fire hose of grievance. You've got to
give me positive.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
And you've got any really any you mentioned relationship, any like,
not just dating, romantic relationship. Nobody wants to have dinner
or drinks with the friend that the moment you sit down,
it's just woe is me. Here's here is the last
(11:36):
awful thing. You know, if I didn't have bad luck,
I wouldn't have any you know what I mean. That's
the story of my life. No, and I'm not again,
I am not trying to be toned up. I understand
some people really really have it rough. But the folks
who no matter and all of us know these people
that no matter the situation that's going on, they are
(12:00):
always either in crisis real or imagined, or they have
just you won't believe how I just got screwed over.
Let me tell you about it. That person's exhausting. And
it doesn't mean you don't want you don't have the
empathy for someone when something happens. But the people that
I think are most magnetic, most attractive in as far
(12:25):
as to spend time with, are people that almost no
matter what's going on, they're either looking forward, solution orient oriented,
or they're just you know, they are trying to figure
out a way through. And that's the people you want
to hang out with. Those are the and for a
lot of in my opinion, whether this is the right
(12:46):
or the wrong way to elect politicians, a lot of
what decides close elections is the old who do you
want to have a beer with? Test? Again, I think
that's kind of dumb, but that is It's been shown
time and again, and I just don't think people love
the whiner and I and I. At one point in
time it felt to me like the conservative wing of
(13:11):
America had done a really good job, whether it's accurate
or not, of marketing themselves as the we'll figure this out.
Bad shit happens. Yeah, but you know what, whatever it is,
we are going to And again, even if I think
it was bullshit marketing, it was the way people people
(13:32):
associated with it, and they associated the left with more
of the whining and complaining. That is, if you tell
me right now that there is a politician that just
did a thirty minute interview and all they did was
bitch and moan. I don't associate that with AOC. I don't.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Now.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
You might say AOC has bad ideas, but she has ideas.
She came into Congress She's like, hey, green, new deal,
I want to remake everything. Here's the bill. And you
might say that's a disastrous bill. What you didn't come
in and say is, oh, it's so unfair. What's happening
to me? Everyone's out to get me. No, I just
don't find that personally inspired. And there's the political thing.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Yeah, no, no, that's I always thought.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
I've said this before.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
My two favorite politicians ever are Reagan and Obama and
there was, they weren't. Neither was catastrophic, and I've worked
with people who are catastrophic where the sky is falling.
And Reagan always had a smile on his face and
we'll figure it out. He was a very positive guy.
Reagan just felt like, good morning in America. We're gonna
make it work. This is the greatest country.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
I loved.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Reagan and Obama always had a this job is hard.
Let's take a deep breath. I'm gonna wear a beas suit.
Don't freak out. This job is not easy. Phil Knight
has a manifesto. When he started Nike, he wrote down
(14:59):
ten and a lot of this you could see in
Air the movie Air Ben Affleck and number nine on
it was this will be messy. And one of the
real things I talked about today about the WNBA was
we are seeing this moment in time where this league.
And I've always said, I'm in the omelet business, not
(15:20):
the egg business. I don't make you interesting. When you're made,
I talk about you, not my job to make the omelet.
I'll report on the omelet. So I didn't talk about
the WNBA because, frankly, it didn't get ratings. I mean Jesus,
the finals got seven hundred thousand. Now you have a
catalyst that explodes when a business explodes. It could be
a tech business, pharmaceutical business, it could be a law firm.
(15:41):
When something explodes, shit gets messy, and we're in the
messy phase. For the WNBA. Their early schedule for the
Fever is insane. They're played twice lay.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
A game played colin from previous Friday until Sunday. That
nine day stretch, they play as many games as the
Aces have played all year. They it was and it
was again from a marketing standpoint, I got it. Put
Caitlyn as many places as possible. From a the you know,
the Fever played eleven game, the Finding champs have played six.
(16:14):
Now that maybe that was sneaky, brilliant, and then I'll
let you finish. I'm sorry because it will lead to
I think Caitlin being awesome at the end of the year,
because all of a sudden, she's gonna be the most
rested player in every game because they got they have
no more back to backs, they have no more three
games in four nights. So the rest of the year
(16:35):
she's gonna have real time in between it, but they
were they but go ahead, you were. You were making
a point that I interrupted.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
So it's just an it's an exploding business. For the
first time it was you know, let's we all know
the backstory on the w NBA that it was subsidized
by the NBA for a decade. Now they moved into
smaller arenas, it wasn't terribly profitable. Las Vegas has sort
of figured it out first to be the first franchise
that's making real money, almost has an an ideal with
(17:03):
its players. But the point being is this is an explosion,
and you see it in tech all the time. You
just quite it's it's hard to predict the unpredictable, and
so I.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Think so much of the Caitlyn Clark WNBA commentary has
actually been some weird media meta commentary about the commentary,
like it has been very like the basketball stuff, I
think is pretty straightforward. This is a hell of a
(17:34):
rookie class. Cameron brank is going to be a star.
Angel Reese is going to be a star, Caitlyn Clark
is going to be a superstar, and maybe those other
two will as well. And they have brought a lot
of eyeballs. Caitlyn Clark's team seems to really be struggling,
probably in part because they had the number one pick
the last two years for a reason, and partially because
of this schedule. And is there some predictable jealousy either,
(18:00):
just based purely on attention and economics? Is some of
it about ads rookie and some hazing short, all that
stuff kind of to me is a pretty straightforward sports story,
up to and including the foul heard around the world
that was just a hard flagrant, not even a flagrant too,
like it was a hard foul. But the commentary has
(18:22):
really been about the commentary, and there's so many levels
to it. So I want to start with the first
thing you said, which is like thought exercise. Let's say
in five years there is a Tiger Woods like athlete
(18:44):
and and some would say, oh, we've already had it,
but no Tiger Woods esque in that he captures everyone's
attention in hockey. Do we then need to go on
the air and be like, we are so sorry that
we weren't covering hockey before we did a moral disservice.
(19:08):
I don't feel we do, and so I don't feel
when folks have been like, well, you're new to the party, Like, well,
in our specific business, the party just got going. Now.
It doesn't mean it was not worth a worthwhile league.
It doesn't mean I'm not glad it exists. But I
(19:31):
on my show, I barely talk about professional baseball. I
don't talk anything about hockey. It'd be one thing if
on our shows we were talking eleven different sports and
just like, nope, we have time for cricket, but we're
not making time for the WNBA. That's not the truth.
That's not how these shows work. And there has been
(19:54):
to me an element of what I would compare to
the hipster band phenomenon, which is if there is a
band that all of a sudden is playing arenas, but
a year ago was playing eight hundred person venues. The
folks who were the fan of the band then sometimes
(20:15):
are like, oh, you know, I was here before it
was popular, and they're almost snarky towards the new people,
as opposed to being like, hey, I always knew this
was awesome, Glad you're here now. So I don't love that,
and I think so I think that is problematic in one
direction from a media perspective. Here's another thing. I think
(20:38):
is problematic from a media perspective. In the other direction,
folks who clearly have the attitude of you should be
happy I'm even talking about your sport. Therefore, none of
my opinions are open for criticism because you're just lucky
to be getting my opinions. I think that's bullshit too.
(20:58):
And I think if it were or if it were hockey,
or if it were the MLS, I think people would
have an easier time with it. Because there is the
gender aspect of it. People are nervous about how we
talk about it. And then you add to it that
there is also a very obvious now we can talk
(21:21):
about how significant, but an obvious at least component of
a racial component, which is it is odd that this
league that is majority black, a disproportionate amount of its
stars have been white women throughout history and now its
biggest star is a white woman. That is an added
landmine or a complication, whatever you want to put it.
(21:44):
And I think because people are so afraid of all
of this, everyone's just freaking out and losing their mind
about a foul and who's talking what, And all of
a sudden, now the WNBA without anyone mentioning, Hey, the
Connecticut Sun are undefeated is taking up more airtime than
it has in the last five years combined. It's a
fascinating media story as much as anything.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I thought.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
James Jones, who's been watching the WNBA for years, had
the most prescient, prescient point on it. I thought it
was really smart. I didn't think about this.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
He says.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
The biggest difference between the NBA and the WNBA is
the NBA is much more vertical. You may occasionally have
a woman break away in the WNBA and dunk it.
Men go through the lane, jump over other men, and jampers,
often behind their head. Both leagues can shoot, Both leagues
can move their feet, both leagues can rebound. Both leagues
(22:43):
can pass. The NBA men jump over other six or
eight men and duncan in their face regularly, he said.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Because of that.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
The WNBA is more physical. You score through physical banging body.
You don't go over, you go into. Oh, it's fascinating,
he said. The WNBA is actually more physical than the NBA.
The NBA is no hand check. You can't stay in
front of anybody. The Biggs all shoot threes. The lanes
(23:15):
wide open. That's not the WNBA, you score bully ball.
And he said, so if you watch the WNBA for years,
it's way more physical.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Oh, so that's the NBA. So I hadn't even I
hadn't even thought about it. So I says, I, it's
a great point by James. So I considered myself like
more in I was in tune enough prior to Caitlin
Clark with the WNBA to make a significant wager before
last season on the Aces to repeat because I'm like, oh,
(23:48):
they're the best team, Asia Wilson. I am not in
tune enough to tell you who the All Stars were,
you know what I mean? So I was, I was.
I was a cash visual observer of the league, which
I think makes me above average for you know, America,
but below average for the diehards because there's a level
(24:09):
of the other aspect is it almost feels like Americans
who are fans of like the EPL, your English Premier League,
there is a where there's almost not don't love casuals
and casual fans. And I feel like the WNBA, for
(24:30):
its first time, maybe in its existence, is experiencing casual fans.
And so that was the other thing that I thought
was so fascinating about some of the coverage of the
angel quote from yesterday. So the internet aggregators did do
something unfair to Angelry. She gave a long, thoughtful answer,
(24:53):
and they cut it right when she said, you know,
basically when she said, you know, this is because of
me too, and then right after that she then talks
about her teammate and other women, but they cut it
to where it just sounded like that. But now there's
a whole other group of people who aren't used to
(25:15):
Internet aggregators doing stuff that they've done to every athlete.
It sucks, it's unfair, and they thought Angel Reese was
getting unfairly picked on. It's like, nope, Actually, all those
accounts do that to everybody. Can they do it to Kyrie?
Do it Aaron Rodgers? They do it to anyone who
they can, because they're just trafficking clicks. And it's a
lot of to me, like, you know, almost like very
(25:42):
what's the word communities online that don't interact with each other,
who all of a sudden are getting put in the
same chat room and everyone's just yelling at d and
everyone's mad and you don't even really and there are
a lot of real things going on about it now,
like you at about the tech space and about growing.
(26:03):
I actually think all of this is going to be
good for the league, for everybody. We're getting all of
them out of the way early and by the time
you get to the you know, the part of the
season after the Women's Olympics or the after the Olympics
with women's basketball team plays, everyone's going to kind of
know the rules of engagement, who's good who from a player,
(26:25):
respective who's bad, what teams are good. And people are
into it, and they do have a nice built in
time of year for their sport to be going on,
because we got a maximum of seven NBA games left
and then we are into the real dead time, and
people care what angel Resent does and they care what
(26:49):
Cap does, and then people are going to by definition
care about what the best teams in Asia, Wilson those
people do. And so I think it's great. I think
it is so I think it's like having for me
right now while I'm talking to you. Behind on the screen,
right behind the camera is the Royals Guardians game because
for the first time in eight years, I'm watching every
(27:12):
baseball game the Royals play because for the first time
in eight years. They're competitive, and for me, it's like,
oh cool, Like I have a new thing that I
care about because I only am a nine hard baseball
fan when my hometown team's good, which if your Royals fan,
is about once every fifteen years. And so I go
long stretches where I only watch big game for the playoffs.
(27:33):
But it's fun to have something new. It's fun to
have a new thing to be into. And that's how
I feel about the WNBA.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Yeah, May through September. Now they play their championship in
football season. But I think I've told you this before.
I'm pretty selfish on that is that I literally know exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
When my.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Vacations are every year. I know I'm gonna work six
and a half months football, take a week off, come
back for March madness, NFL free agency, take a couple
of fridays off, do the NFL Draft, take another Friday off,
do like six to seven weeks of hard NBA, and
then I've got like two months, ten weeks of oh shit, yeah,
do a couple of vacations built in and there exactly right. Yeah,
(28:19):
And so it's like if I can get every day,
I mean today Jason mcinron Jason McIntyre Night Today spent
at least an hour on the WNBA, and.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
It was a blast.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
We had all sorts of good debates and I we
will you know when the show ends. We lovered to
get up and walk out at the same time. We
don't sit around at all, and he goes, he goes. Man.
We had some good debates and I'm like, that was
a great June show. Waiting for the NBA. I'm like,
that's as good as a June show is going to
get for three hours, and I'm like it was. There
were great debates. We talked stars and villains and rivals
(28:53):
and oh, I'm gonna scheduling business.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Can I ask you a question about villains? So I
said this on the podcast I do with my son
this morning, which was it was in the context of
Angel Rees saying, you know, I'll be the villain. Yeah,
And my take was, and maybe you can think of
(29:17):
someone no one actually enjoys being the permanent villain, with
maybe one exception that I'll give you. So Lebron tried
it on, didn't fit him. Dylan Brooks literally said Dylan
the villain, and then two weeks later was like why
is everyone calling me a villain? Patrick Beverly pretends he
(29:37):
wants to be the villain, but then comes down and like, oh,
that lady in the crowd said something really mean to me.
Draymond kind of is okay with it. But also I
think Draymond wants to be liked, and I don't think
he wants to be He doesn't mind being the enforcer,
but the villain is different. I don't think there are
(29:59):
in today's in f real you know villains. So the guy,
the only one I came up with currently is I
do think Luca enjoys playing on the road more than
at home and mfing the crowd and all of it.
But I don't think it is sustainable long term to
(30:22):
permanently be the villain. People might say, Reggie Miller, that
was for one so that was for one arena. Then
you know MSG. And it should be noted that Reggie
Miller was six and twelve in his career in the
playoffs in MSG. It was the worst in the He
had the worst record in MSG home road versus any
(30:47):
arena he played in his whole career more than five times.
So even though he liked said he liked being the villain.
It didn't actually, you know translate. I don't think it's
sustainable to permanently be the villain in sport. I don't
know if you agree, but that's what I thought of
when Angel said I'll do it. I think she can
do it for now. I don't think you can do
it permanently.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Yeah. I tend to believe as a performer, I am
at my best when I'm neutral, So I don't like
to be elevated, nor do I like to be the villain.
I feel like every day i'm going on, I'm walking
onto a stage and I'm performing for the audience, and
inside of a big studio, I'm performing for a camera
in Jason McIntyre, and I think I'm best performing neutral
(31:33):
is that I have strong opinions the audience. Is it
for it or against it? There have been times I've
been popular and unpopular. But I think for a performer neutral,
I mean, Jerry Seinfeld could handle a heckler, but that's
not what he would ask for. He could also ask
for a ten minute standing ovation, but that would get tedious.
Jerry's at his best when he has to earn the
(31:55):
approval and get the laughs regardless off at Caesar's Palace
or the laugh Factory in Taledo, Ohio. So I think
I think all athletes because I almost feel like it's
being it's a car racer is. I want my my
heartbeat to never fluctuate corners, flats, finish, beginning. It stays
(32:17):
the same, so my adrenaline doesn't change radically.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I don't make more.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Emotional moves or more urgent moves, So I I largely
agree with you. I think everybody likes to be liked
at some point. But I also think people sometimes understand
their roles. As a dad, I understand sometimes my voice
is deeper. Sometimes if I say, hey, knock it off,
it plays better in the room than if my wife
(32:42):
would sit like I have a more a deeper.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Richer voice.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
So I think there are roles I have played from
time to time to be the heavy in the family and.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Just say cut that shit out.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
But doing it.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
I also like to.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Be permanently that in any phase eye thing is just tough.
I think it wears on you and I'm and maybe
I am. Maybe there is an obvious athlete that I'm
just People in the comments section will tell me if
I'm forgetting one. But I can't think of an in
modern maybe again in yesteryear, but in modern America, if
(33:20):
you will, I can't think of an athlete that has
successfully been just perma villain any place, anywhere, for you know,
more than a season. Again. Lebron, who I think is
as mentally tough the Dallas series in twenty eleven, notwithstanding
of any athlete we've ever seen, tried that hat on
(33:43):
for a year and that then led to the Dallas
Series and he hated it like it wore him down
so much he had the only true failure of his career.
I just don't think that's a healthy spot to be.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
The volume. Thanks for listening to part one of the
conversations with Nick.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Don't forget to check back for part two.
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