Colin is joined by Nick Wright, host of “First Things First” on FS1 to NOT stick to sports.
They begin by contrasting and comparing the two VP candidates and why J.D. Vance’s actions and language have been incredibly offensive and could hurt the Republican ticket (3:30), and discuss the massive odds swing in the election (14:15).
Then they dive into the huge online controversy surrounding women’s Algerian boxer Imane Khelif and why it’s asinine that so many people rush to judgment before having all the facts (23:00).
Finally, the end by ridiculing all of the people claiming expertise online over every subject (30:30) and the reasons behind so many people embracing every conspiracy theory under the sun (35:00)
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Speaker 1 (01:54):
Welcome into part two of the podcast with Nick Right.
So I'm gonna throw this out because you and I
I don't talk a lot of politics, but it's.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Whatever you do. You go viral man. The the the
Internet had you clocked as a hardcore right wingers, so weird,
I know. Well, it's just you're just old, white and rich,
that's all. And so so so because of that, they
just assumed it. So every time you say anything that
(02:26):
isn't like Maga hat wearing Trump or stuff. There are
corners of the internet that are just throw parties, like
I think today, That's what I was telling you before
the show today. You just said, like, saw Kamala Harris.
She wasn't pointing angry and she was smiling. Made me
feel good. And they are like important political accounts like
(02:47):
Colin Cowherd says, why Kamala Harris is gonna win the election?
So they're so happy about it. It just it delights
me every time I see it. But go ahead, So
I didn't mean to interrupt you, but I'm excited where
this is going to go. So so it was first.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Of all, whenever anybody in any situation in life is
trying to convince me that something's true too hard, like
why are you doing that? That's where I'm kind of
cynical as a person, like if something's like even when
people have pitched me businesses, the couple of businesses that
(03:22):
I've bought a stake in a business, or both times
where I really somebody came up and said, hey, I
think you'll like it. I'll send you a deck I
think it's interesting. I've never ever purchased any part of
a company. When you hard sell me, same with a car,
I'll walk in, I'll tell you what I like. I'm
quick cut to the chase, get me the contract. So
(03:43):
you know they're they're the Conservatives are trying to Vice
presidents don't decide elections. They can hurt you. They like
baseball managers. They don't win many games. They can lose
your games if they lose the locker room. So so
Kamala's vice president Tim Walls, he not gonna it doesn't
really matter because he'll just get out of the way.
(04:06):
He's a high school football coach. He was well liked.
He's not deciding this thing. They do appear to really
like each other.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
That matters.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yep, jd Vance could hurt you. That's the worst kind
of VP pick where he could actually pull a point
or two down or Lojah state. So very quickly he
says something about women without kids, and I'm like, you
guys are struggling with women. I wouldn't go there. He
did something today and by the time this airs it
(04:37):
will have been discussed at nauseum by the political pundits.
But I thought to myself, Oh, oh, I wouldn't do that.
So he went to Kamala's plane.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
I saw this too, So they were planning. If people
don't know, they his plane and air force too, I
guess is the one she's on. Both laying in the
same airfield, and so he was. So they both happened
to me in the same place. So we walked over.
So now you take over and say what.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
And it was so it was almost as if he
was trying to kind of intimidate her, and I thought,
time out. It already pissed off a lot of women who,
by the way, would love children but they can't have them.
Well I've known, right, That's okay, So that's first. Then
you combine it with I'm going to try to intimidate
(05:26):
our potentially first female president. And I really thought, oh,
christ Trump may have it. This could like this is
a baseball This is Bobby Valentine taking over the Red Sox,
pissing off Dustin Pedroia. And he was gone like thirty
(05:47):
games later.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
It was like, holy.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
God, this is a And I think to myself, no,
because I tend to be moderate but lean left, I'm
not going to overreact. It's just a vice president. They
don't matter. But I saw that, and I that's really
bad judgment.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
So that reacting No, I listen, I think that, So
I'll go macro to micro. I think that anyone. This
is the problem with being a phony is you're never
acting on instinct. You're acting. Wait the person I'm trying
(06:25):
to pretend I am, how would they act? And you
fuck it up all the time. That's my my My
honest died in the whole opinion of jd. Vance's he's
I had no idea who he is. It's not this guy.
He's cosplaying as I know that because he has been
in the public eye for a long time. And you
(06:47):
can come around on things, you can change positions, but
you can't write a book about the opioid epidemic and
then call Donald Trump and opiate and opioid as a
slur about how this is how bad it is. It
ruined my family, ruined my area. He say to people,
(07:08):
he reminds you of Hitler, and change enough to where
you're like, I want to be his vice president. Nobody
changes that much like that the end. But so his
heat what he has done super successfully is navigate from
you know, a guy who wrote a book that people
(07:29):
liked to up until the day Biden dropped out the
overwhelming likely vice next vice president of the United States.
He navigated that in an incredibly short period of time
because his true north was what do I need to
say and do to achieve the next rung of power?
(07:50):
And it has worked, but more often than not, at
some point that bill comes due, and that bill is
coming due right now because the guy can't make it,
can't do anything on instinct. Everything's like, wait, what am
I supposed to do in this spot? And so there's
(08:13):
so every time he talks, it's like, why'd you say that?
Like today, some local reporter has said to him, some
friendly local reporter was like, you know, one of the
things you're criticized about is that you don't smile in them.
What is something that makes you smile? And the answer
to that question is literally anything my kids, a baseball game,
(08:36):
the flag of the United States. And his answer was, well,
I smile when I laugh at ridiculous questions like that
from the fake media. And I'm like, that's not what
you wanted to say, buddy, but you think that's what
you're supposed to say. And so yeah, I mean I
think I think in general, like when you're not able
(08:56):
to have at least something of a consistent like. I
understand all politicians pander and change positions. I get that,
but this is such a dramatic turn of events. He
seems like a different person. The other thing on the
first thing you said about the reason he's in real
trouble is the comment about childless women. And this is
(09:18):
I will admit I'm about to say something overtly political. Okay,
so this is one of my biggest problems with the
so many of our super conservative politicians. I actually don't
know how much they truly understand about how babies are
(09:42):
made and the human reproductive system and all of it.
Because jd Vance would tell you I was talking about
people that don't want to have children, and I think
that's bullshit. I think that if you're choosing not to
have kids, you're not as important of a citizen someone
that wants to start a family. I think he truly
(10:04):
believes that. Fine, whatever, I think that's wrong, but at
least I can get he's like, you have more of
an investment. But it's such a fundamental misunderstanding that so
many people and families desperately want to have kids and
the biggest tragedies of their life are that they haven't
been able to or I mean, I will all tell
(10:26):
something very personal because she shared it publicly. My sister
had a child and everything was fine, seemingly with my nephew.
Everything is fine with my nephew, but everything is fine
with the pregnancy, and then over the next four years
had four of the most excruciating miscarriages anyone can imagine,
(10:51):
and then had basically a miracle baby who's now my niece.
There are so many women out there that the biggest
tragedy of their lives is through no fault of their own. Yes,
they can't have kids, right then this guy is. And
(11:11):
the reason I said, I don't think they know how
babies are made. That's a little tongue in cheek, But
my point is if you have that at all in
your consciousness, that oh wait, there's a lot of people
that want to have kids that are struggling having kids,
then you'd be more careful with your words. You wouldn't
say things like childless women. You would find a way
(11:32):
to make your point, which is essentially that people that
have decided I want to be lifelong bachelor or I
want to be lifelong single. Is the point you're really
trying to make that you don't think they have as
much skin in the game as someone who has kids
and grandkids. And again, I don't know that I agree
(11:54):
with that take, but that to take that you can
at least defend. But when you just flippantly throw this
stuff out there, it's like, man, there's people are understanding,
people that want to root for you and vote for you,
are gonna say you're saying I count less. I voted
for Trump twice, not me. I'm this theoretical person, and
(12:18):
because I can't have a baby, I count like, like
that's going to cost you. And you said, you know,
I think that if this had happened three months ago,
he would have changed his mind. But I think Trump's
in a weird spot because he can't kick jd off
the ticket after he made fun of Biden for dropping out, Like, man,
this is a quit. Last twenty days is a pretty
(12:41):
quick turnaround. As far as the odds now, we're a
long ways out. A lot can change. But I felt
like Trump was Some of my friends in the high
stakes gambling community, the poker players.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
That's why I watch from presidential elections, I watched the
gaming market.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Yeah, yes, so some of the best poker players in
the world the week before Biden dropped out were betting
Trump at minus two hundred to minus two twenty and
as of this moment, it's Kamala minus one ten, a tiny,
tiny favorite in three weeks. I mean it's been three weeks.
(13:23):
That is a wild turn of events on holl of
this and how this thing flipped so quickly in the markets. Again,
in the markets, I mean, the audience knows who I'm
voting for, but that's fine.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Yeah, yeah, well, and that that also includes an assassination attempt,
which I should have literally with an iconic photo guaranteed
him the election. I mean it was like, in a
weird way, I saw that photo and I was like,
oh boy, well, it's no.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
To squander that much goodwill and a lead and the
all of it in record time. Also then makes you
I'm very interested in how these next couple months ago,
because all of a sudden you can still win, like
(14:14):
things change. But man, Trump, Trump, when he thinks he's
losing his historically doesn't act less unhinged. He doesn't like Okay,
now's the time to be disciplined. Now's the time to
stay on message about taxes, like I just don't think
that's coming.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah, I mean it's you know, it's funny. I've always
laughed at this stick to sports thing, and I'm always like, well,
then you stick to not lecturing me on how to
produce a radio show or a podcast. Is my take
is everybody gets an opinion on politics because in the
summer months, in election years, there's nothing going on. I mean,
if it wasn't for the Olympics, what in the hell
would any of us talk about Because nobody plays in
(14:57):
the preseason. Sean McVay newted it when he didn't play
anybody and went ate to no to start the season.
So the truth is, I like people, even if they're
not particularly gifted orders or they're not pundits. I'm interested
in different I like different political opinions. I've said this before.
(15:21):
Fans call sports radio shows. On average, they're dreadful, they're repetitive,
they have nothing creative to say. But but there is
value if you're doing I do a simulcast, but if
you do strictly a radio broadcast of having the occasional
argumentative call, the call that's absurdly wrong. I mean it's
(15:44):
it was Mike and the Mad Dog. Like some of
the funniest moments are just idiotic calls. You know, it
is part of the theater. So I like, I don't
I like people to have different opinions. I glean all
sorts of information. You don't have to be an expert.
I mean, I've said before football coaches have acknowledged, like,
(16:04):
you know, a fan, Andy Reid's like, a fan sent
me a play.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Yeah, we kind of somebody on the guy that works
at one of the janitorial staff drew something up for him. Yeah,
he was like. And I also if if someone decides
I'm simply someone in our field decides I'm simply never
talking about it, So that's fine. Like, I get that.
(16:31):
Sometimes that's an edict, sometimes it's a it's uh, it's
just you know, it's strategy. That's fine. What I don't
love is if someone does talk about it and clearly
is afraid to be honest about how they feel, Like
so I stay out of One of the reasons I
(16:54):
rarely talk about this is because I'm not a moderate.
I don't pretend to be like I like I my
politics are. I think some people consider I'm extreme. That's fine,
but I'm not gonna I'm not going to all of
a sudden act like, well, you know, up until you know,
a couple months before, I was undecided. I you know, no,
(17:17):
I wasn't like I sorry, my dog's were being annoying,
like I wasn't undecided. And in my lifetime since I've
been you know, old enough to vote, I've voted Democrat
every election. So if I'm going to talk about it,
I'm gonna be honest with you know, with folks about
where I stand on it.
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Speaker 3 (19:01):
I think.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
One of the things I've done well in my career,
and this is really boring, but I think I'm really
good at it is topic selection. Is I talk about
really interesting. I pick the right stuff to talk about,
and I think it's about twenty five to thirty percent
of my success is I don't get into spaces that
people don't care about. So when Lebron had an opinion
(19:23):
about China, remember that and people, yeah, of course, why
why won't you talk about that? Because it's bureaucracy and
nobody cares. And you didn't care about China an hour
before this. So like, people talk about the transgender stuff,
and my take is, you don't really care about that.
I don't know much about it and you don't care
(19:44):
about it, and it doesn't move. Yeah, so it doesn't
do that.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
I am very much.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I am loyal my whole career. I am loyal to
the topic that moves the needle. Because you could be
an expert on hockey. I could know nothing about college football,
but I'll beat you because I choose a better topic.
And so when I avoid the transgender topics, first they're murky.
I let Ethan Strauss had a fascinating doctor on in
(20:10):
regards to it, and it was I didn't have more
clarity or less after forty minutes of talking, but it
was a fascinating listen. And so if I'm not an
expert on something, if it's murky or it's bureaucracy, and
I don't, it's not.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Something that's So I'm so glad you said that. And
I know we're going long. Okay, then there's nothing quicker
than all of a sudden, let's talk about you know,
the transgenderism and whether who should be able to play
what's sport and all of that. I was amazed at
how dumb some of my colleagues were last Thursday when
(20:52):
the women's boxing match in the Olympics happened. So I'm
going to give you my day. Okay. I wake up
Thursday morning, I have the podcast, then the TV show.
I checked Twitter. I see what everybody sees. Some people
are like, a man beat up a woman and she cried.
(21:13):
Some people are like, what do you see This woman's
loses all the time in boxing and was born a woman.
Here's a picture of her as a kid. And some
people were like, no, she's she's switched sex at birth.
And then people are like, no, they're not at birth,
pardon me, And then it'd be like, hmm, okay, well
I'm certainly not gonna get to the bottom of this
(21:33):
story in the next half hour. Luckily it's women's boxing
at the Olympics, which was not gonna be in the rundown. Ever,
it was not you know, somebody beat uh gad, I'm sorry,
are Simone Biles? And you know in something we were
talking about, it's not something involving the men's basketball team.
(21:56):
We were never gonna talk about the women's boxing the Olympics. Ever,
it was not in the zeitgeist. It's not like the
audience like, oh, you promised us that tomorrow you're gonna
break down the match. Now you're afraid of it. So
why don't I give this a few hours and see
what the actual information is and then decide if I
want to talk about it tomorrow or the next day.
(22:19):
And then I did, and I'm like, God, damn man,
this thing's complicated, like definitely not a transgender issue at all.
But also, if I'm to believe the Russian Boxing Federation,
which by the way, I don't believe, but it seems
to be compelling evidence she might have been born DSD.
(22:39):
A little confused, but it also seems like so so wait,
so she definitely woman, been a woman in her whole life,
by the way, from a conservative Muslim nation where transgender
is not a thing because not allowed. But did she
have a physical advantage? Oh okay, I get that argument,
(23:00):
all right. I now have the information, still a little confused. Luckily,
I'm under no obligation to talk about this because again,
it's the quarterfinals of the women's boxing at the Olympics,
so we'll just let this one pass. And the amount
of people that were like prominent people that were like, well,
(23:26):
it's fucking showing up on Elon Musk's propaganda machine, so
it must be the story to talk about. So I'm
going to on the front and be like, I don't
know what I'm talking about, but let's talk about it,
like what are you doing? What are you doing? Like
what you and the reason, like you said, the reason
(23:47):
folks I believe talked about that knowing they didn't know
anything was because they didn't want people to tweet to them.
You're afraid to talk about it. They didn't. They were
trying to get out in front of And I'm going
to say one other thing on this, because it's the
(24:10):
justification a lot that certain folks make when they talk
about stuff before they have all the information or they're wrong.
Is listen I say on the front end, I don't
know everything. You know, it's kind of casual, I'm not
that bright whatever. It is. Always be leary of folks
who every time they make one of those mistakes is
(24:34):
slanted in the same direction. Right, if you're just a
dumb guy, that's just like hey, we're just talking. Then
you'll make mistakes in both directions. Then sometimes you'll say
something that is wildly wrong on the conservative side, and
(24:54):
sometimes you'll say things that are wildly wrong on the
liberal side. Sometimes you'll say things wildly wrong on you know,
the the you'll vary your mistakes. In my experience, what
tends to happen is folks consistently make this mistake slanted
in the same direction of the people yelling at them
(25:17):
on the internet, and then they're like, well, I told you,
I'm not that bright, Like, eh, I don't know, seem
bright enough to never make the mistake in the other direction.
So in some certain things you're okay on So yeah,
I was. I called demandse my son, who I do
the podcast with that night. I was like, man, I
was like, we should be proud of the podcast we
(25:40):
did today. He's like why. I was like, because we
didn't make the mistake so many people made, which is
talk about a serious, real life issue that by the way,
that's a real human being that has to go back
to her country all of it when we had none
of the information, just because Twitter was yelling at us
to do it. Well, it's.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
I had texted Bob Costas once he was on Bill
Maher talking about this, and he used the word murky,
and I'm I'm very not suspicious, but I'm very unimpressed
by people who have strident positions on difficult topics. So
(26:23):
I actually interviewed with a friend of mine, Joe Donlin,
had a podcast he's debuting in Chicago. He asked me
about it, and my take was, and again, I'm not
ducking anything, I said Joe. During COVID, I watched people
who work to check out at Costco lecturing doctor Fauci
on vaccines, like that's embarrassing, Like I don't know everything.
(26:45):
It saved lives. It could have come from a lab.
I don't know. And I told him in regards to this,
I said, I have to trust the IOC. They have
medical boards. I said, these governing bodies on these incredibly
difficult situations. It's not like the same decision you had
(27:06):
deciding where to put the restrooms in a stadium, Like
it's not. They literally spent hours, days, weeks knowing this
would be difficult, and at some point success matters. Fauci's
history matters. Sick Mark Cuban successful, he knows more than
you and me on business, like the Olympic Committee didn't
(27:28):
just haphazard least, Hey, what do you think let's flip
a coin.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Well, also, here's the other thing, And this is where
I'm super skeptical. If you were to be like Nick,
what do you know more than the average person about?
And what are you nearly an expert in? Be like, Okay,
it's a narrow that's a narrow thing, but I have things.
(27:54):
I certainly am almost an expert in broadcasting just because
I've done it my whole career. I'm I think i'm,
you know, almost an expert, if not an expert in
sports history and you know, data and information and I
oddly I am not an expert, but I know way
(28:15):
more than the average person about American history, most notably
from the beginning of the Civil War to the passage
of the Civil Rights Act because that one hundred years,
I've really studied other stuff, you know, I just know
what I know. Folks that somehow on every hot button
(28:38):
issue have it clocked like, oh, you're full of shit,
Like there's no chance you have the informed opinion on
the origin of COVID, how vaccines are made, chromosoonal issues
in regards to transgenderism. Those three topics have nothing to
(29:01):
do with each other. You got them all down, Like,
that's a very unique set of skills you're dealing with here.
And by the way, you also seem to, you know,
dabble when necessary in you know the best ways to
put down social unrest within a city if there's a riot.
You know that one who the next vice president of
(29:21):
the United States should be picked based on electoral maps?
You know that one. Like you're all phony experts, you're
all you all are just so coughing. You know this.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Michael Jordan couldn't hit a baseball, and he's arguably the
best athlete in NBA history. I mean couldn't hit a baseball.
Randy Moss tried to play basketball, so did Roy Jones.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Guys, oh, I left one out. Sorry, I left one out.
By the way, in the middle of those other things,
you became a legit expert on Eastern European wars and
the best way to litigate those like I don't. I
I don't believe you. I just don't.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
What I believe is you know the way you want
the world to be, and you will pretend you have
the expertise to give yourself the authority on how it
should be.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Well, I told you, I've told you there's an explosion.
This will take a few minutes. But there's been an
explosion in conspiracy theories over the last ten years. And
it's actually very explainable. I mean, there was always the
occasional conspiracy theory. It is now an epidemic. Why because
conspiracy theorists need an explanation for all the cultural changes.
(30:41):
We've had more cultural changes due to the technology that
is in front of us than ever before. And people
studies have shown that are conspiracy theorists tend to need answers.
They're not as culturally irrelevant, they're not as socioeconomically relevant,
they're not as popular as they think they deserve, and
so they need answers. So they say, well, this is
(31:01):
why this is happening. It's rigged, not even elections. Just
so what you're finding, there's an explosion of conspiracy theories
and they're by people that want simple answers that things
changed and they can't explain it. And I mean, they're
doing studies on conspiracy theories. Why are they exploding? And
(31:22):
it's because tech has I mean, good God, in my business.
In the last three years, the whole fucking thing has
turned upside down. My whole business, I mean, podcasts didn't exist.
Now I own a company. You know that's a podcast company.
I mean, the whole world's changed. Radio and cable TV,
my favorites, they're regressing fast quickly. So again it's what
(31:45):
I have gotten to a point where the conspiracy theory
guy is it's like sports fan every time their team loses, says,
well it was rigged, or it's the officials. I just
don't have time, like I just I know people Joe Rogan,
but it's like Joe, not everything is a conspiracy.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Come on, well, but so listen, and again I'm fine
with healthy skepticism. I'm fine with that. I'm fine with
you know what I mean, with not taking you know,
just what the government tells you as gospel immediately as
they tell you. A great fine with I'm fine with
(32:23):
all of that. It's healthy, what right, what I'm what
I'm honestly and this is and then all you know,
this is finished the glass of wine, which means I'm
probably being maybe a little more casual with my thoughts
than I otherwise would be. What I'm not fine with
(32:44):
is people that I know to be dumb pretending they
have figured out super complicated issues. I'm just not okay
with it. And you mentioned and I'm not listen. I'm
not trying to shit talk Joe Rogan. But I saw,
you know, the clips from his last stand up, the
(33:05):
one that just came out, Yeah, and I'm like, man,
this is the guy. This guy is the one that
is shaping public opinion on really important things. The guy
that thought it was on the board that the State
(33:28):
of the Union was a taped speech because he hadn't
quite figured out the entire Congress, including two hundred and
fifty Republicans, are there standing or booing or clapping. That
guy's a thought leader on everything. By the way, Joe
Rogan definitively thought leader and deserved on UFC stuff, how
(33:51):
to build a popular podcast, maybe number one draft pick
in the world on those two topics. You don't get
to be the thought leader on every topic. I mean,
I guess you do, but you're not going to be incredible.
And that's why that's why to bring it back to
where you started on this, I don't get there are
(34:14):
so many times people are like, you're afraid to talk
about and the answer is no, I, who have a
pretty big ego, have the humility to know, Man, there's
people that know a hell of a lot more about
this than me. I'm gonna let them figure it out,
at least the beginning parts of it before I form
(34:37):
my opinion. And it's so hard right now for folks
to a agree on what a trusted sources in order
to get the data to form an opinion. And it's
so hard for people to say, man, that one's hard,
that one's complicated. Nobody wants nothing. For some reason, nothing's
(34:59):
allowed to be complicated. Like I again, I will. I'm
gonna wade into really murky ground, but I'm going to
go ahead and say it, and I'm not afraid to.
I think basically all foreign wars are complicated, and I
haven't dedicated my life to figuring that out. I know
(35:20):
some people have. And I'm a really smart guy. I
don't know much about a lot of the rest of
the world. I know nothing about warfare. And the number
of people who just confidently say no, this is black
and white and simple, and here's how you fix it,
(35:40):
Like here's how you fix it, Like, man, if it
was that easily fixable, I think it had been fixed.
Like I'm not acting like nothing is simple, But the
amount of people that just rush to this super complicated
issue that multiple PhDs are trying to figure out I
solved during my lunch break, I just don't buy. I
(36:02):
just don't trust those people. I just don't trust those people.
I mean, I don't think they should be taken seriously.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
I just watched the documentary on Iran Contra Oliver North
and it was so good and so fascinating and it
took years and years and years for it to get uncovered.
They still don't have all the answers.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
But where was that? What was that on? What service?
Do you know?
Speaker 1 (36:25):
I think it was? I think it was Netflix. I
mean I I basically in the football season, I don't
watch it, and then once the football season ends, I watch.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
It every day.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Like my my viewing is documentary, yeah, Labor Day until
Super Bowl and then I just go documentaries Netflix. That's
where I go and so and I. By the way,
I don't have time. I get one or two really
good books a year, maybe three, and I do it
when I fly. That's why I like to fly. It
forces me to sit down and you know, really dive
(36:56):
into a book. I'm gonna do it this week when
I fly to Chicago. But my my history books are
documentaries and i'll watch two, like like, i'll watch two
or three on a Saturday before I go out.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
Yep, love it. By the way, that's the the I'll
give one. I'm gonna plug one one podcast that's not
mine or yours, but is a it's a popular ones,
but it's also there's a podcast called Hardcore History.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
I think the guy releases three a year. They're four
to five hours long. And when like I listened to
him when I play poker, and it's you know, it's like, hey,
you ever wondered how Alexander the Great became Alexander the Great? Well,
here's four hours on his father for real, and that's
(37:53):
what it is. And it's this guy basically reading you
a book on you know, world hist but it's you know,
his podcast. But I'm the reason I thought of that
is I love that podcast. But during football season, I
can't even listen to that during football because during football
season there's so much watching a football, consuming football information,
(38:14):
doing all this stuff and then those other six months
a year, I can try to become a well rounded
human being. But you know, I only got a month
left because then football's coming again.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Remember when the Hollywood writers went on strike and every
that lasted. Remember that I had a theory that Netflix
knows when it gains and loses subscribers. The streaming services
all do. And one of the reasons that this this
strike was happening a big chunk of it during the
football season is they wanted to clean up all their
(38:48):
books because when the streaming services started, Remember, okay, yeah,
you are trying. You are trying to buy who could
buy the globe first, who could win the global race
because we'd maxed out on domestic subscribers, and so all
of them blew through their budgets only none of them,
even Netflix for a long time didn't make any money.
And eventually they're like, okay, the subs are we've kind
(39:11):
of reached we've reached mass consumption. And they looked at
their books and said, shit, we've got to clean these up.
All of them did, outside of Netflix. They all had to.
So they decided to strike during the football season, saying
this is the time that nobody we lose subs. We're
not going to do We're not going to do heavy
(39:32):
production during this time. We're just going to rerun a
lot of our stuff because this is the time of
the year that the people to watch us don't like sports.
If you do, we just lose men. And then the
minute you get close to the end of the football season,
they got the strike figured out, They're like, okay, now
we have to create new stuff because here come the
(39:53):
men and women back into our streaming service. And that
was my you.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
Know, I mean, like, I don't know if that's totally right,
totally wrong, or somewhere in between, but it's a good theory.
I whether it's right, by the way, I don't you know.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
As I say, Joe Rogan has a few two committee
conspiracy theories. That's my big one.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Yeah. But so that's the thing. And this is where
we can leave it, because you and I both do
traffic in somewhat wacky ideas theories. Hey, this occurred to me.
But to go back to where we started, it's all
about the fluff of life. Like I don't I feel
(40:45):
entitled entitled the wrong word, but I'll use it. I
feel totally entitled to come on your show and be like, hey,
I just got a feeling Dak and Bill Belichick are
going to be both with the Giant next year. And
but and and if someone's like, what's that based on him? Like,
(41:05):
my gut, it makes sense. I know enough about Bill
and Dak and the salary cap that it's plausible, and
I just think it makes sense. But if you were
to really push me on it, like well, or have
you talked to anyone? No? Of course not. Have you
do you know Bill? No? Do you know Dak? No?
Do you know the mar family? No? I just it's
(41:27):
my gut feeling. So really I don't know anything, but
it makes sense and I and I truly think it's
gonna happen. What I wouldn't do is be like, here's
why the vaccine was a fraud. It's like, oh, wasn't it.
Have you studied this?
Speaker 2 (41:47):
No?
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Have you did you talk to anyone? No? Do you
do you know anything? No? I'm just guessing. It's just
my gut because that shit matters, like it's I think,
having wacky, fun gut feeling theories. It's nice things about
being about sport in sports. Yes, if I'm wrong the
(42:09):
day and then I then we should go. It's been
ninety minutes. The biggest day of my career was July fourth,
twenty sixteen, filling in for you because three minutes before
the show started, Kevin Durant picked the Warriors and ESPN
and ESPN two was in Wimbledon. I was filling in
for you because it's fourth of July and the biggest
(42:32):
story in the sports world. I'm the only person you know.
I'm We're the only network doing it, and I it's
my second time ever filling in for you, and I
still to this day, I think that day changed my
whole career. The Herd popped a huge number. I handled
it well and whatever. That day on the air, on
the air, biggest day of my career. I floated the
(42:54):
idea that what if this is just a double cross
Kevin Durant was doing. This has been lost to the history,
which was because when because Durant couldn't sign yet, he
could just verbally commit, but in order to do that,
the Warriors had to let Harrison Barnes leave. And I
was like, what if Durant is actually planning on staying
(43:17):
with Oklahoma City but they just blew a three to
one lead to Golden State, and he wants to make
them worse, so he tells them I'm coming. They let
Harrison Barnes leave, and then on July seventh, when he
can sign, he does the ultimate villain move, which is like,
I'm not going anywhere. I'm staying with the Thunder. To
(43:38):
this day, it's one of my favorite sports theories ever.
It was totally ridiculous. It had no chance. He wrote
an article for the What Have the Players Tribune, but
I really believed. I was like, I know, legally he
can do this. It would be an amazing thing. And
I talked about it on the air thirty minutes after
(43:59):
he signed with the Warriors. I was like, unless it
was just wacky, goofy stuff, fun, but it's sports, so
gives a ship like it's totally fine. That's why our
job's the best.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
My most important day was this moment because I live
in the moment and this podcast.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
What a jerk.
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All right, buddy, this was great.
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This is great. I'll talk to you later, see it
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Speaker 1 (01:54):
Welcome into part two of the podcast with Nick Right.
So I'm gonna throw this out because you and I
I don't talk a lot of politics, but it's.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Whatever you do. You go viral man. The the the
Internet had you clocked as a hardcore right wingers, so weird,
I know. Well, it's just you're just old, white and rich,
that's all. And so so so because of that, they
just assumed it. So every time you say anything that
(02:26):
isn't like Maga hat wearing Trump or stuff. There are
corners of the internet that are just throw parties, like
I think today, That's what I was telling you before
the show today. You just said, like, saw Kamala Harris.
She wasn't pointing angry and she was smiling. Made me
feel good. And they are like important political accounts like
(02:47):
Colin Cowherd says, why Kamala Harris is gonna win the election?
So they're so happy about it. It just it delights
me every time I see it. But go ahead, So
I didn't mean to interrupt you, but I'm excited where
this is going to go. So so it was first.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Of all, whenever anybody in any situation in life is
trying to convince me that something's true too hard, like
why are you doing that? That's where I'm kind of
cynical as a person, like if something's like even when
people have pitched me businesses, the couple of businesses that
(03:22):
I've bought a stake in a business, or both times
where I really somebody came up and said, hey, I
think you'll like it. I'll send you a deck I
think it's interesting. I've never ever purchased any part of
a company. When you hard sell me, same with a car,
I'll walk in, I'll tell you what I like. I'm
quick cut to the chase, get me the contract. So
(03:43):
you know they're they're the Conservatives are trying to Vice
presidents don't decide elections. They can hurt you. They like
baseball managers. They don't win many games. They can lose
your games if they lose the locker room. So so
Kamala's vice president Tim Walls, he not gonna it doesn't
really matter because he'll just get out of the way.
(04:06):
He's a high school football coach. He was well liked.
He's not deciding this thing. They do appear to really
like each other.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
That matters.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yep, jd Vance could hurt you. That's the worst kind
of VP pick where he could actually pull a point
or two down or Lojah state. So very quickly he
says something about women without kids, and I'm like, you
guys are struggling with women. I wouldn't go there. He
did something today and by the time this airs it
(04:37):
will have been discussed at nauseum by the political pundits.
But I thought to myself, Oh, oh, I wouldn't do that.
So he went to Kamala's plane.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
I saw this too, So they were planning. If people
don't know, they his plane and air force too, I
guess is the one she's on. Both laying in the
same airfield, and so he was. So they both happened
to me in the same place. So we walked over.
So now you take over and say what.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
And it was so it was almost as if he
was trying to kind of intimidate her, and I thought,
time out. It already pissed off a lot of women who,
by the way, would love children but they can't have them.
Well I've known, right, That's okay, So that's first. Then
you combine it with I'm going to try to intimidate
(05:26):
our potentially first female president. And I really thought, oh,
christ Trump may have it. This could like this is
a baseball This is Bobby Valentine taking over the Red Sox,
pissing off Dustin Pedroia. And he was gone like thirty
(05:47):
games later.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
It was like, holy.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
God, this is a And I think to myself, no,
because I tend to be moderate but lean left, I'm
not going to overreact. It's just a vice president. They
don't matter. But I saw that, and I that's really
bad judgment.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
So that reacting No, I listen, I think that, So
I'll go macro to micro. I think that anyone. This
is the problem with being a phony is you're never
acting on instinct. You're acting. Wait the person I'm trying
(06:25):
to pretend I am, how would they act? And you
fuck it up all the time. That's my my My
honest died in the whole opinion of jd. Vance's he's
I had no idea who he is. It's not this guy.
He's cosplaying as I know that because he has been
in the public eye for a long time. And you
(06:47):
can come around on things, you can change positions, but
you can't write a book about the opioid epidemic and
then call Donald Trump and opiate and opioid as a
slur about how this is how bad it is. It
ruined my family, ruined my area. He say to people,
(07:08):
he reminds you of Hitler, and change enough to where
you're like, I want to be his vice president. Nobody
changes that much like that the end. But so his
heat what he has done super successfully is navigate from
you know, a guy who wrote a book that people
(07:29):
liked to up until the day Biden dropped out the
overwhelming likely vice next vice president of the United States.
He navigated that in an incredibly short period of time
because his true north was what do I need to
say and do to achieve the next rung of power?
(07:50):
And it has worked, but more often than not, at
some point that bill comes due, and that bill is
coming due right now because the guy can't make it,
can't do anything on instinct. Everything's like, wait, what am
I supposed to do in this spot? And so there's
(08:13):
so every time he talks, it's like, why'd you say that?
Like today, some local reporter has said to him, some
friendly local reporter was like, you know, one of the
things you're criticized about is that you don't smile in them.
What is something that makes you smile? And the answer
to that question is literally anything my kids, a baseball game,
(08:36):
the flag of the United States. And his answer was, well,
I smile when I laugh at ridiculous questions like that
from the fake media. And I'm like, that's not what
you wanted to say, buddy, but you think that's what
you're supposed to say. And so yeah, I mean I
think I think in general, like when you're not able
(08:56):
to have at least something of a consistent like. I
understand all politicians pander and change positions. I get that,
but this is such a dramatic turn of events. He
seems like a different person. The other thing on the
first thing you said about the reason he's in real
trouble is the comment about childless women. And this is
(09:18):
I will admit I'm about to say something overtly political. Okay,
so this is one of my biggest problems with the
so many of our super conservative politicians. I actually don't
know how much they truly understand about how babies are
(09:42):
made and the human reproductive system and all of it.
Because jd Vance would tell you I was talking about
people that don't want to have children, and I think
that's bullshit. I think that if you're choosing not to
have kids, you're not as important of a citizen someone
that wants to start a family. I think he truly
(10:04):
believes that. Fine, whatever, I think that's wrong, but at
least I can get he's like, you have more of
an investment. But it's such a fundamental misunderstanding that so
many people and families desperately want to have kids and
the biggest tragedies of their life are that they haven't
been able to or I mean, I will all tell
(10:26):
something very personal because she shared it publicly. My sister
had a child and everything was fine, seemingly with my nephew.
Everything is fine with my nephew, but everything is fine
with the pregnancy, and then over the next four years
had four of the most excruciating miscarriages anyone can imagine,
(10:51):
and then had basically a miracle baby who's now my niece.
There are so many women out there that the biggest
tragedy of their lives is through no fault of their own. Yes,
they can't have kids, right then this guy is. And
(11:11):
the reason I said, I don't think they know how
babies are made. That's a little tongue in cheek, But
my point is if you have that at all in
your consciousness, that oh wait, there's a lot of people
that want to have kids that are struggling having kids,
then you'd be more careful with your words. You wouldn't
say things like childless women. You would find a way
(11:32):
to make your point, which is essentially that people that
have decided I want to be lifelong bachelor or I
want to be lifelong single. Is the point you're really
trying to make that you don't think they have as
much skin in the game as someone who has kids
and grandkids. And again, I don't know that I agree
(11:54):
with that take, but that to take that you can
at least defend. But when you just flippantly throw this
stuff out there, it's like, man, there's people are understanding,
people that want to root for you and vote for you,
are gonna say you're saying I count less. I voted
for Trump twice, not me. I'm this theoretical person, and
(12:18):
because I can't have a baby, I count like, like
that's going to cost you. And you said, you know,
I think that if this had happened three months ago,
he would have changed his mind. But I think Trump's
in a weird spot because he can't kick jd off
the ticket after he made fun of Biden for dropping out, Like, man,
this is a quit. Last twenty days is a pretty
(12:41):
quick turnaround. As far as the odds now, we're a
long ways out. A lot can change. But I felt
like Trump was Some of my friends in the high
stakes gambling community, the poker players.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
That's why I watch from presidential elections, I watched the
gaming market.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Yeah, yes, so some of the best poker players in
the world the week before Biden dropped out were betting
Trump at minus two hundred to minus two twenty and
as of this moment, it's Kamala minus one ten, a tiny,
tiny favorite in three weeks. I mean it's been three weeks.
(13:23):
That is a wild turn of events on holl of
this and how this thing flipped so quickly in the markets. Again,
in the markets, I mean, the audience knows who I'm
voting for, but that's fine.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Yeah, yeah, well, and that that also includes an assassination attempt,
which I should have literally with an iconic photo guaranteed
him the election. I mean it was like, in a
weird way, I saw that photo and I was like,
oh boy, well, it's no.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
To squander that much goodwill and a lead and the
all of it in record time. Also then makes you
I'm very interested in how these next couple months ago,
because all of a sudden you can still win, like
(14:14):
things change. But man, Trump, Trump, when he thinks he's
losing his historically doesn't act less unhinged. He doesn't like Okay,
now's the time to be disciplined. Now's the time to
stay on message about taxes, like I just don't think
that's coming.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah, I mean it's you know, it's funny. I've always
laughed at this stick to sports thing, and I'm always like, well,
then you stick to not lecturing me on how to
produce a radio show or a podcast. Is my take
is everybody gets an opinion on politics because in the
summer months, in election years, there's nothing going on. I mean,
if it wasn't for the Olympics, what in the hell
would any of us talk about Because nobody plays in
(14:57):
the preseason. Sean McVay newted it when he didn't play
anybody and went ate to no to start the season.
So the truth is, I like people, even if they're
not particularly gifted orders or they're not pundits. I'm interested
in different I like different political opinions. I've said this before.
(15:21):
Fans call sports radio shows. On average, they're dreadful, they're repetitive,
they have nothing creative to say. But but there is
value if you're doing I do a simulcast, but if
you do strictly a radio broadcast of having the occasional
argumentative call, the call that's absurdly wrong. I mean it's
(15:44):
it was Mike and the Mad Dog. Like some of
the funniest moments are just idiotic calls. You know, it
is part of the theater. So I like, I don't
I like people to have different opinions. I glean all
sorts of information. You don't have to be an expert.
I mean, I've said before football coaches have acknowledged, like,
(16:04):
you know, a fan, Andy Reid's like, a fan sent
me a play.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Yeah, we kind of somebody on the guy that works
at one of the janitorial staff drew something up for him. Yeah,
he was like. And I also if if someone decides
I'm simply someone in our field decides I'm simply never
talking about it, So that's fine. Like, I get that.
(16:31):
Sometimes that's an edict, sometimes it's a it's uh, it's
just you know, it's strategy. That's fine. What I don't
love is if someone does talk about it and clearly
is afraid to be honest about how they feel, Like
so I stay out of One of the reasons I
(16:54):
rarely talk about this is because I'm not a moderate.
I don't pretend to be like I like I my
politics are. I think some people consider I'm extreme. That's fine,
but I'm not gonna I'm not going to all of
a sudden act like, well, you know, up until you know,
a couple months before, I was undecided. I you know, no,
(17:17):
I wasn't like I sorry, my dog's were being annoying,
like I wasn't undecided. And in my lifetime since I've
been you know, old enough to vote, I've voted Democrat
every election. So if I'm going to talk about it,
I'm gonna be honest with you know, with folks about
where I stand on it.
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paid advertisement. It's interesting because a lot of people, I'll
give you an example, think if I don't bring up politics,
you're being woke. I'm giving an example.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
I think.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
One of the things I've done well in my career,
and this is really boring, but I think I'm really
good at it is topic selection. Is I talk about
really interesting. I pick the right stuff to talk about,
and I think it's about twenty five to thirty percent
of my success is I don't get into spaces that
people don't care about. So when Lebron had an opinion
(19:23):
about China, remember that and people, yeah, of course, why
why won't you talk about that? Because it's bureaucracy and
nobody cares. And you didn't care about China an hour
before this. So like, people talk about the transgender stuff,
and my take is, you don't really care about that.
I don't know much about it and you don't care
(19:44):
about it, and it doesn't move. Yeah, so it doesn't
do that.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
I am very much.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I am loyal my whole career. I am loyal to
the topic that moves the needle. Because you could be
an expert on hockey. I could know nothing about college football,
but I'll beat you because I choose a better topic.
And so when I avoid the transgender topics, first they're murky.
I let Ethan Strauss had a fascinating doctor on in
(20:10):
regards to it, and it was I didn't have more
clarity or less after forty minutes of talking, but it
was a fascinating listen. And so if I'm not an
expert on something, if it's murky or it's bureaucracy, and
I don't, it's not.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Something that's So I'm so glad you said that. And
I know we're going long. Okay, then there's nothing quicker
than all of a sudden, let's talk about you know,
the transgenderism and whether who should be able to play
what's sport and all of that. I was amazed at
how dumb some of my colleagues were last Thursday when
(20:52):
the women's boxing match in the Olympics happened. So I'm
going to give you my day. Okay. I wake up
Thursday morning, I have the podcast, then the TV show.
I checked Twitter. I see what everybody sees. Some people
are like, a man beat up a woman and she cried.
(21:13):
Some people are like, what do you see This woman's
loses all the time in boxing and was born a woman.
Here's a picture of her as a kid. And some
people were like, no, she's she's switched sex at birth.
And then people are like, no, they're not at birth,
pardon me, And then it'd be like, hmm, okay, well
I'm certainly not gonna get to the bottom of this
(21:33):
story in the next half hour. Luckily it's women's boxing
at the Olympics, which was not gonna be in the rundown. Ever,
it was not you know, somebody beat uh gad, I'm sorry,
are Simone Biles? And you know in something we were
talking about, it's not something involving the men's basketball team.
(21:56):
We were never gonna talk about the women's boxing the Olympics. Ever,
it was not in the zeitgeist. It's not like the
audience like, oh, you promised us that tomorrow you're gonna
break down the match. Now you're afraid of it. So
why don't I give this a few hours and see
what the actual information is and then decide if I
want to talk about it tomorrow or the next day.
(22:19):
And then I did, and I'm like, God, damn man,
this thing's complicated, like definitely not a transgender issue at all.
But also, if I'm to believe the Russian Boxing Federation,
which by the way, I don't believe, but it seems
to be compelling evidence she might have been born DSD.
(22:39):
A little confused, but it also seems like so so wait,
so she definitely woman, been a woman in her whole life,
by the way, from a conservative Muslim nation where transgender
is not a thing because not allowed. But did she
have a physical advantage? Oh okay, I get that argument,
(23:00):
all right. I now have the information, still a little confused. Luckily,
I'm under no obligation to talk about this because again,
it's the quarterfinals of the women's boxing at the Olympics,
so we'll just let this one pass. And the amount
of people that were like prominent people that were like, well,
(23:26):
it's fucking showing up on Elon Musk's propaganda machine, so
it must be the story to talk about. So I'm
going to on the front and be like, I don't
know what I'm talking about, but let's talk about it,
like what are you doing? What are you doing? Like
what you and the reason, like you said, the reason
(23:47):
folks I believe talked about that knowing they didn't know
anything was because they didn't want people to tweet to them.
You're afraid to talk about it. They didn't. They were
trying to get out in front of And I'm going
to say one other thing on this, because it's the
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justification a lot that certain folks make when they talk
about stuff before they have all the information or they're wrong.
Is listen I say on the front end, I don't
know everything. You know, it's kind of casual, I'm not
that bright whatever. It is. Always be leary of folks
who every time they make one of those mistakes is
(24:34):
slanted in the same direction. Right, if you're just a
dumb guy, that's just like hey, we're just talking. Then
you'll make mistakes in both directions. Then sometimes you'll say
something that is wildly wrong on the conservative side, and
(24:54):
sometimes you'll say things that are wildly wrong on the
liberal side. Sometimes you'll say things wildly wrong on you know,
the the you'll vary your mistakes. In my experience, what
tends to happen is folks consistently make this mistake slanted
in the same direction of the people yelling at them
(25:17):
on the internet, and then they're like, well, I told you,
I'm not that bright, Like, eh, I don't know, seem
bright enough to never make the mistake in the other direction.
So in some certain things you're okay on So yeah,
I was. I called demandse my son, who I do
the podcast with that night. I was like, man, I
was like, we should be proud of the podcast we
(25:40):
did today. He's like why. I was like, because we
didn't make the mistake so many people made, which is
talk about a serious, real life issue that by the way,
that's a real human being that has to go back
to her country all of it when we had none
of the information, just because Twitter was yelling at us
to do it. Well, it's.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
I had texted Bob Costas once he was on Bill
Maher talking about this, and he used the word murky,
and I'm I'm very not suspicious, but I'm very unimpressed
by people who have strident positions on difficult topics. So
(26:23):
I actually interviewed with a friend of mine, Joe Donlin,
had a podcast he's debuting in Chicago. He asked me
about it, and my take was, and again, I'm not
ducking anything, I said Joe. During COVID, I watched people
who work to check out at Costco lecturing doctor Fauci
on vaccines, like that's embarrassing, Like I don't know everything.
(26:45):
It saved lives. It could have come from a lab.
I don't know. And I told him in regards to this,
I said, I have to trust the IOC. They have
medical boards. I said, these governing bodies on these incredibly
difficult situations. It's not like the same decision you had
(27:06):
deciding where to put the restrooms in a stadium, Like
it's not. They literally spent hours, days, weeks knowing this
would be difficult, and at some point success matters. Fauci's
history matters. Sick Mark Cuban successful, he knows more than
you and me on business, like the Olympic Committee didn't
(27:28):
just haphazard least, Hey, what do you think let's flip
a coin.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Well, also, here's the other thing, And this is where
I'm super skeptical. If you were to be like Nick,
what do you know more than the average person about?
And what are you nearly an expert in? Be like, Okay,
it's a narrow that's a narrow thing, but I have things.
(27:54):
I certainly am almost an expert in broadcasting just because
I've done it my whole career. I'm I think i'm,
you know, almost an expert, if not an expert in
sports history and you know, data and information and I
oddly I am not an expert, but I know way
(28:15):
more than the average person about American history, most notably
from the beginning of the Civil War to the passage
of the Civil Rights Act because that one hundred years,
I've really studied other stuff, you know, I just know
what I know. Folks that somehow on every hot button
(28:38):
issue have it clocked like, oh, you're full of shit,
Like there's no chance you have the informed opinion on
the origin of COVID, how vaccines are made, chromosoonal issues
in regards to transgenderism. Those three topics have nothing to
(29:01):
do with each other. You got them all down, Like,
that's a very unique set of skills you're dealing with here.
And by the way, you also seem to, you know,
dabble when necessary in you know the best ways to
put down social unrest within a city if there's a riot.
You know that one who the next vice president of
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the United States should be picked based on electoral maps?
You know that one. Like you're all phony experts, you're
all you all are just so coughing. You know this.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Michael Jordan couldn't hit a baseball, and he's arguably the
best athlete in NBA history. I mean couldn't hit a baseball.
Randy Moss tried to play basketball, so did Roy Jones.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Guys, oh, I left one out. Sorry, I left one out.
By the way, in the middle of those other things,
you became a legit expert on Eastern European wars and
the best way to litigate those like I don't. I
I don't believe you. I just don't.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
What I believe is you know the way you want
the world to be, and you will pretend you have
the expertise to give yourself the authority on how it
should be.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Well, I told you, I've told you there's an explosion.
This will take a few minutes. But there's been an
explosion in conspiracy theories over the last ten years. And
it's actually very explainable. I mean, there was always the
occasional conspiracy theory. It is now an epidemic. Why because
conspiracy theorists need an explanation for all the cultural changes.
(30:41):
We've had more cultural changes due to the technology that
is in front of us than ever before. And people
studies have shown that are conspiracy theorists tend to need answers.
They're not as culturally irrelevant, they're not as socioeconomically relevant,
they're not as popular as they think they deserve, and
so they need answers. So they say, well, this is
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why this is happening. It's rigged, not even elections. Just
so what you're finding, there's an explosion of conspiracy theories
and they're by people that want simple answers that things
changed and they can't explain it. And I mean, they're
doing studies on conspiracy theories. Why are they exploding? And
(31:22):
it's because tech has I mean, good God, in my business.
In the last three years, the whole fucking thing has
turned upside down. My whole business, I mean, podcasts didn't exist.
Now I own a company. You know that's a podcast company.
I mean, the whole world's changed. Radio and cable TV,
my favorites, they're regressing fast quickly. So again it's what
(31:45):
I have gotten to a point where the conspiracy theory
guy is it's like sports fan every time their team loses, says,
well it was rigged, or it's the officials. I just
don't have time, like I just I know people Joe Rogan,
but it's like Joe, not everything is a conspiracy.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Come on, well, but so listen, and again I'm fine
with healthy skepticism. I'm fine with that. I'm fine with
you know what I mean, with not taking you know,
just what the government tells you as gospel immediately as
they tell you. A great fine with I'm fine with
(32:23):
all of that. It's healthy, what right, what I'm what
I'm honestly and this is and then all you know,
this is finished the glass of wine, which means I'm
probably being maybe a little more casual with my thoughts
than I otherwise would be. What I'm not fine with
(32:44):
is people that I know to be dumb pretending they
have figured out super complicated issues. I'm just not okay
with it. And you mentioned and I'm not listen. I'm
not trying to shit talk Joe Rogan. But I saw,
you know, the clips from his last stand up, the
(33:05):
one that just came out, Yeah, and I'm like, man,
this is the guy. This guy is the one that
is shaping public opinion on really important things. The guy
that thought it was on the board that the State
(33:28):
of the Union was a taped speech because he hadn't
quite figured out the entire Congress, including two hundred and
fifty Republicans, are there standing or booing or clapping. That
guy's a thought leader on everything. By the way, Joe
Rogan definitively thought leader and deserved on UFC stuff, how
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to build a popular podcast, maybe number one draft pick
in the world on those two topics. You don't get
to be the thought leader on every topic. I mean,
I guess you do, but you're not going to be incredible.
And that's why that's why to bring it back to
where you started on this, I don't get there are
(34:14):
so many times people are like, you're afraid to talk
about and the answer is no, I, who have a
pretty big ego, have the humility to know, Man, there's
people that know a hell of a lot more about
this than me. I'm gonna let them figure it out,
at least the beginning parts of it before I form
(34:37):
my opinion. And it's so hard right now for folks
to a agree on what a trusted sources in order
to get the data to form an opinion. And it's
so hard for people to say, man, that one's hard,
that one's complicated. Nobody wants nothing. For some reason, nothing's
(34:59):
allowed to be complicated. Like I again, I will. I'm
gonna wade into really murky ground, but I'm going to
go ahead and say it, and I'm not afraid to.
I think basically all foreign wars are complicated, and I
haven't dedicated my life to figuring that out. I know
(35:20):
some people have. And I'm a really smart guy. I
don't know much about a lot of the rest of
the world. I know nothing about warfare. And the number
of people who just confidently say no, this is black
and white and simple, and here's how you fix it,
(35:40):
Like here's how you fix it, Like, man, if it
was that easily fixable, I think it had been fixed.
Like I'm not acting like nothing is simple, But the
amount of people that just rush to this super complicated
issue that multiple PhDs are trying to figure out I
solved during my lunch break, I just don't buy. I
(36:02):
just don't trust those people. I just don't trust those people.
I mean, I don't think they should be taken seriously.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
I just watched the documentary on Iran Contra Oliver North
and it was so good and so fascinating and it
took years and years and years for it to get uncovered.
They still don't have all the answers.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
But where was that? What was that on? What service?
Do you know?
Speaker 1 (36:25):
I think it was? I think it was Netflix. I
mean I I basically in the football season, I don't
watch it, and then once the football season ends, I watch.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
It every day.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Like my my viewing is documentary, yeah, Labor Day until
Super Bowl and then I just go documentaries Netflix. That's
where I go and so and I. By the way,
I don't have time. I get one or two really
good books a year, maybe three, and I do it
when I fly. That's why I like to fly. It
forces me to sit down and you know, really dive
(36:56):
into a book. I'm gonna do it this week when
I fly to Chicago. But my my history books are
documentaries and i'll watch two, like like, i'll watch two
or three on a Saturday before I go out.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
Yep, love it. By the way, that's the the I'll
give one. I'm gonna plug one one podcast that's not
mine or yours, but is a it's a popular ones,
but it's also there's a podcast called Hardcore History.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
I think the guy releases three a year. They're four
to five hours long. And when like I listened to
him when I play poker, and it's you know, it's like, hey,
you ever wondered how Alexander the Great became Alexander the Great? Well,
here's four hours on his father for real, and that's
(37:53):
what it is. And it's this guy basically reading you
a book on you know, world hist but it's you know,
his podcast. But I'm the reason I thought of that
is I love that podcast. But during football season, I
can't even listen to that during football because during football
season there's so much watching a football, consuming football information,
(38:14):
doing all this stuff and then those other six months
a year, I can try to become a well rounded
human being. But you know, I only got a month
left because then football's coming again.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Remember when the Hollywood writers went on strike and every
that lasted. Remember that I had a theory that Netflix
knows when it gains and loses subscribers. The streaming services
all do. And one of the reasons that this this
strike was happening a big chunk of it during the
football season is they wanted to clean up all their
(38:48):
books because when the streaming services started, Remember, okay, yeah,
you are trying. You are trying to buy who could
buy the globe first, who could win the global race
because we'd maxed out on domestic subscribers, and so all
of them blew through their budgets only none of them,
even Netflix for a long time didn't make any money.
And eventually they're like, okay, the subs are we've kind
(39:11):
of reached we've reached mass consumption. And they looked at
their books and said, shit, we've got to clean these up.
All of them did, outside of Netflix. They all had to.
So they decided to strike during the football season, saying
this is the time that nobody we lose subs. We're
not going to do We're not going to do heavy
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production during this time. We're just going to rerun a
lot of our stuff because this is the time of
the year that the people to watch us don't like sports.
If you do, we just lose men. And then the
minute you get close to the end of the football season,
they got the strike figured out, They're like, okay, now
we have to create new stuff because here come the
(39:53):
men and women back into our streaming service. And that
was my you.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
Know, I mean, like, I don't know if that's totally right,
totally wrong, or somewhere in between, but it's a good theory.
I whether it's right, by the way, I don't you know.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
As I say, Joe Rogan has a few two committee
conspiracy theories. That's my big one.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Yeah. But so that's the thing. And this is where
we can leave it, because you and I both do
traffic in somewhat wacky ideas theories. Hey, this occurred to me.
But to go back to where we started, it's all
about the fluff of life. Like I don't I feel
(40:45):
entitled entitled the wrong word, but I'll use it. I
feel totally entitled to come on your show and be like, hey,
I just got a feeling Dak and Bill Belichick are
going to be both with the Giant next year. And
but and and if someone's like, what's that based on him? Like,
(41:05):
my gut, it makes sense. I know enough about Bill
and Dak and the salary cap that it's plausible, and
I just think it makes sense. But if you were
to really push me on it, like well, or have
you talked to anyone? No? Of course not. Have you
do you know Bill? No? Do you know Dak? No?
Do you know the mar family? No? I just it's
(41:27):
my gut feeling. So really I don't know anything, but
it makes sense and I and I truly think it's
gonna happen. What I wouldn't do is be like, here's
why the vaccine was a fraud. It's like, oh, wasn't it.
Have you studied this?
Speaker 2 (41:47):
No?
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Have you did you talk to anyone? No? Do you
do you know anything? No? I'm just guessing. It's just
my gut because that shit matters, like it's I think,
having wacky, fun gut feeling theories. It's nice things about
being about sport in sports. Yes, if I'm wrong the
(42:09):
day and then I then we should go. It's been
ninety minutes. The biggest day of my career was July fourth,
twenty sixteen, filling in for you because three minutes before
the show started, Kevin Durant picked the Warriors and ESPN
and ESPN two was in Wimbledon. I was filling in
for you because it's fourth of July and the biggest
(42:32):
story in the sports world. I'm the only person you know.
I'm We're the only network doing it, and I it's
my second time ever filling in for you, and I
still to this day, I think that day changed my
whole career. The Herd popped a huge number. I handled
it well and whatever. That day on the air, on
the air, biggest day of my career. I floated the
(42:54):
idea that what if this is just a double cross
Kevin Durant was doing. This has been lost to the history,
which was because when because Durant couldn't sign yet, he
could just verbally commit, but in order to do that,
the Warriors had to let Harrison Barnes leave. And I
was like, what if Durant is actually planning on staying
(43:17):
with Oklahoma City but they just blew a three to
one lead to Golden State, and he wants to make
them worse, so he tells them I'm coming. They let
Harrison Barnes leave, and then on July seventh, when he
can sign, he does the ultimate villain move, which is like,
I'm not going anywhere. I'm staying with the Thunder. To
(43:38):
this day, it's one of my favorite sports theories ever.
It was totally ridiculous. It had no chance. He wrote
an article for the What Have the Players Tribune, but
I really believed. I was like, I know, legally he
can do this. It would be an amazing thing. And
I talked about it on the air thirty minutes after
(43:59):
he signed with the Warriors. I was like, unless it
was just wacky, goofy stuff, fun, but it's sports, so
gives a ship like it's totally fine. That's why our
job's the best.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
My most important day was this moment because I live
in the moment and this podcast.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
What a jerk.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
All right, buddy, this was great.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
This is great. I'll talk to you later, see it
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Speaker 1 (44:31):
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