Colin’s top takes of the week!
First, he’s joined by John Middlekauff,, host of “3 and Out” to Aaron Rodgers becoming “weird” late in his career (3:30) which lead teams to pass on him. They compare his relatively short “prime” to some other all-time great quarterbacks (7:00) and debate whether Matthew Stafford could surpass Rodgers on the list of all-time QBs if he plays 2-3 more good years of football (11:00)
They address the concerns coming out of Minnesota about quarterback JJ McCarthy and whether the Vikings could be in trouble at quarterback this season (14:45) and Colin predicts Shedeur Sanders will be starting for the Browns by week 8 (20:30)
Then, he’s joined by Jason Timpf, host of “Hoops Tonight” to discuss the Knicks struggles in finding a head coach to replace Tom Thibideau (30:45) and explore the best potential landing spots for Kevin Durant (42:30)!
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the ultimate driving machine Electrified BMW Aaron Rodgers got married.
I saw he had a wedding ring on and I
was talking about this on FS one today. In the
last year, I've had a couple of buddies who are
gms in the league, and one of the lines I've
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used in my business for a long time is weird
doesn't work. You can have an ego, you can even
be a little temperamental. You can make mistakes, but if
you're weird, eventually companies will move on from you. And
I had a general manager tell me I was out
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with him about six months ago, and he said, Aaron
just got weird. And he said, and there's a story
that McVeigh passed on him, Kevin O'Connell passed on him.
He was the Steeters third choice. And it's I was
writing down a list today of the quarterbacks I would
take over Aaron in the league, and there were sixteen
of them, including like bo Nicks. I'm not paying Bonnicks anything.
He's more coachable, he's more athletic, he throws a fine ball.
(01:55):
I think Aaron's just gotten to a point where I
think Pittsburgh's about the only offer he had, and reportedly,
according to Chefter, he was their third choice.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yeah, I mean, I do think it's pretty bizarre that
he signs this contract and he's supported in the wedding ring.
I mean, this is these quarterbacks. You know who they're
married to is kind. I mean, they're pretty big stars, right,
They're like actors, NBA stars. Josh Allen gets married. We
all know it. Not all these guys even married famous
people like Josh Allen or Tom Brady. They're married to
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other famous people. Patrick Mahomes married to his high school sweetheart.
Peyton Manning's married to a girl I think he dated
in college. Who cares this whole thing of like, I
got things going on in my personal life, which I
assumed it was negative stuff. Turns out maybe he was
just getting married and wanted to push this off. It's
just kind of the I've always been pro Aaron Rodgers
as a player because I thought he was incredible, you know,
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I thought, in the peak of his powers, he's one
of the best athletes in terms of their sport I've
ever seen in my entire life, which is weird because
when you look at the totality of his career, it
almost feels underwhelming for how good he was. You know,
I think he let down in the playoffs. I mean
they lost a couple of years ago at home to
Jimmy Garoppolo in the forty nine ers offense. I think
they scored thirteen points. That can't happen. But I think
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this whole because we knew he was going to go
to Pittsburgh. It was just when he was going to sign.
But that picture of him with the wedding ring is
just a little bizarre. I mean, there's really no way around. Yeah, right,
And you've been on this forever. Listen as someone that
got I got married for the first time at forty
years old. Now there is a and a lot of
my friends and my brother got married in their late twenties,
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early thirties. Your life is dramatically different, you know. I mean,
obviously then you have kids. It is a completely different lifestyle.
And he's just kind of been in this weird spot. Obviously.
Also as a player, he's no longer the same. His
mobility's gone. Yes, he's just not a dominant player anymore.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
You can argue Tom Brady had a twenty year prime,
a twenty year prime now even though he was really
good past forty, really considerate maybe forty one and then
the prime ended, but he was still threw a great
ball at forty.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I'd get I'd give him for that first that first
year and a half, his hamp I think he was
pretty damn good.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Ye, People forget this. Aaron's last year in Green Bay
they played in they played an average Lions team at
home and lost, and it was Aaron. I think it
was Aaron's last was his last game as a Packer.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
And he got outplayed by Golf in that game, but
Early outplayed Aaron.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
So that year, if you go back statistically, Aaron was
a B plus quarterback. He didn't play his first three
years in the league, right he sat in the bench.
His fourth theory started, he went six and ten. I
can argue Aaron had less than a ten year prime.
I mean, because he hasn't done anything in four years.
He didn't do anything the first four years. So I
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mean Aaron's prime was about half of Brady's.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I'd give I'd give him two thousand and nine to
about twenty one twenty two. I mean he won the
MVP in twenty one twenty one. Yeah, about about ten
eleven years max.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Think about that. Brady's at twenty and I so if
you really look at Peyton Manning's probably about fourteen usually,
you know, I mean Mahomes maybe one of those seventeen
to eighteen years Aaron just and I think a lot
of it was just Aaron. I don't think he was
as committed in the off season. I think he wasn't.
(05:26):
You know, I thought he was really good the year
he went six and ten, But I didn't think he
was I just thought he was talented. He wasn't a
winning quarterback. But I think a lot of that is
just I've always been one of these people. I'm not
impressed by people that get jobs. I'm impressed by people
that keep them. Like I think there is there is
a real skill to being Lebron James or Tom Brady
or Derek Jeter, and it's a commitment on nutrition, what
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you eat, sleep, And I think that's a skill. I
think discipline's a skill. Maybe people don't. Maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe mental health professionals would argue that disciplines is you know,
it's it's.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Not a skill. Anyone who says that not is a moron.
From the Navy seals to our athletes, to our CEOs,
what are they?
Speaker 1 (06:08):
And I just look at Aaron's prime. It's half of Brady.
And you can say what you want, but that last
year in Green Bay, he was a B quarterback and
he's gone downhill since. I mean, he's just a pocket
guy now. And he's not even like an elite pocket guy.
He's just a pocket guy.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Well, I think when you look at his contemporaries or
definitely his peers over his career, because he came in
a lot later than Peyton and definitely, you know, definitely
Peyton and Tom, he was way more physically gifted than
those guys. Those guys couldn't run, Tom and Peyton couldn't
run at all. I would say Drew Brees definitely wasn't
a mobile quarterback, and he just had more skills. I mean,
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I would say Peyton and Drew Brees are known at
best average arms, right, they hung their hat on accuracy.
Tom had the best arm of that trio. But those
guys worked like they could get cut next year. I mean,
everyone you ever talked to that were around those guys,
they were discussed like they were Michael Jordan or Kobe
Bryan or Tiger Woods. Their addiction to their craft and
how much it meant to them. I do think Aaron
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really benefited a lot. I mean, Tom Brady goes to
the Patriots who sucked right him, and Bill turned that
thing around. Peyton went to the Colts who had the
number one overall pick, and Drew Brees and Sean Payton
showed up to the Saints that were known as the Aince.
This guy went to the Green Bay Packers, who were
a model franchise for fifteen plus years before he got there.
(07:32):
And I always think that, like listen him and Davante. Sometimes,
you know, you kind of make up your own problems
in your head when life's going a little too good.
And it felt like those two guys, I mean, they
have to look back after the couple bumpy years of going,
we actually had it pretty good. You know, it can
be a little boring in this town, but we had
a lot of success here For a reason.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
I'm looking up Aaron Drew Brees's career from the first
five years with the Chargers and then you know that
fifteen year run or whatever it was with the Saints.
If I go back to Drew Brees, a smaller athlete,
you can say his first great year was two thousand
and four with the Chargers. So let me count these
years one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen,
(08:16):
fifty sixteen. I would say Breeze had either sixteen or
seventeen elite years, I mean, and I think Brady's twenty plus.
So and again this isn't bash Aaron. It's just when
you go and I've said this, I said this before
to you. If Stafford won another super Bowl, Stafford was
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better in college, he was better early, he was much
better later. If Stafford plays three more years, and I
endor McVeigh, they would be good. They have I mean
it's they've they've got their ship rolling. If he gets
one more super Bowl, you're gonna look at Matt Stafford,
and you're gonna look at Aaron Rodgers, and you're gonna
have to have a real hard conversation because that means
(08:58):
Stafford's playoff wreck is gonna be significantly better than Aaron Rodgers,
which is basically five hundred people think I'm crazy when
I say this. Stafford has more a game legacy than
any player in the league over the next three years.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
I will say this about Rogers when it came to Stafford,
he was one of his biggest proponents over the years.
You know, when he was middling away in Detroit, He's like,
you guys don't realize and obviously the football people held
him in high regard. Kind of got screwed that he
got drafted to this franchise. That I mean They're gonna
be kids right now in Detroit that have no clue
how big of a joke that franchise used to be.
(09:38):
I will say, I think Rogers kind of morphed a
little more into like an NBA player, right, or like
receivers off then act than these quarterbacks. I mean even
Tom for a long period of time just kind of
shut his mouth, kept his head down dealing with Bill.
I mean, Peyton, would he have ever gone to Denver
if they hadn't cut him in India and he had
no other neck injury, he just would have played it
out forever in Indianapolis. So yeah, I just think Aaron,
(10:01):
and part of it might be the nature of that franchise.
You know, you've talked about this a lot of people
have over the years. There's no owner to really get
involved and kind of calm everyone down. Yes, even just
the basic of like hey, you want to take my
jet with your new wife or your buddies to wherever
you want, just the you know, the Eddie de Barbelow,
Jerry Jones, the robber craft like kind of taking care
(10:23):
of you. That there's no that guy doesn't really exist.
So I honestly think that those guys and if I
was a Packer fan, We'll see how the Jordan Love
stuff plays out. But it's like, God, why did these
guys make such a big stink? We could have kept
it rolling for a couple of years. We have a
really good coach. It's like, remember when he was having
at odds with Gudikins. It's like, what are you actually
(10:43):
mad about with him? Like what what did he do?
You know, what are we talking about? And let's face it,
his ego was really really hurt with the Jordan Love
draft pick well, looking back, and there have been a
lot of articles, so was Tom and what did Tom do?
Went out and said I'm going to dominate and win
Super Bowls and you're gonna have to get rid of
that guy, not me. Aaron kind of took the different
tactic like screw you guys, get rid of me, and
(11:05):
obviously age. Let's face it, in the history of sports,
isn't Aaron's career parallel the most guys we've ever watched.
Once you get to your late thirties, you had an injury,
popped achilles, and you're just never quite the same. And
then usually you go to these weird franchises or in
his You know, this scenario kind of a desperate one.
I think they have a lot of guys, from Cam
(11:27):
Hayward to TJ. Tamika that are like serious cats. This
has got to be like, wait, we had to wait
for you. It's not like you're the greatest thing since
sliced bread.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Here, Bud, Yeah, yeah, I mean, listen, I'm not this.
I think this year he'll win. He in a nine games,
he'll have twenty three touchdowns, ten picks. He'll be fine.
I'll miss a game or two. It'll but it is
interesting when you look back, I think Aaron views himself
is picked on or marginalized by the media. And when
you just start looking at Peyton's career and Ben's career,
and Breeze's career, and Brady's career and Elway and Marino,
(11:59):
you just start looking at some of these careers, Aaron's
prime was just not as long, and some of that
he sat behind far. But I thought he aged really
quickly and you can speculate why he did, but he did. Okay,
So I want to throw this out. The JJ McCarthy
stuff's kind of fascinating to me because he was the
(12:19):
one guy in this quarterback class two years ago. I
didn't like. I just didn't see it. I thought he
was a bit small. I thought he was athletic enough.
I'm always very very cautious when people say he's a winner.
What the f does that mean? Doesn't mean anything. Danny
Werfel was a winner. Every Florida coach, every Florida quarterback
he bo. Yeah, under Spurrier was a winner. Johnny Manziel
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was a winner. It doesn't mean anything. I always believe
that if you look at most NFL quarterbacks, they had,
even Brock Purdy, who I don't love, they had to
carry their college offense, Big Ben, Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers,
Eli Manning. You know they're not playing with five star guys.
That's why Ohio State, you think, would have ten great
NFL quarters. C J. Strouds their first really good one.
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USC's had very few great NFL quarterbacks, and Alabama hasn't,
LSU hasn't. Burrow obviously is but he was a transfer.
But JJ McCarthy his last two years, he threw the
ball over thirty times one time, he never trailed. He
had a great run game, And so I look at
him and Ross Tucker came out with a story, and
(13:23):
I think Ross is a very credible guy. I don't
know him, but very credible guy. He said, listen, there's
concerns they wanted to resign Donald. And I heard the
same thing. But because of my relationship with Darnald, I
wondered if people were telling me that. My source was
telling me that because they knew I loved Donald, but
they had said they actually they actually want Sam and
I couldn't believe it. I'm like, no, you got you
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drafted JJ McCarthy. He has to play. If Ross Tucker
says there's concerns, I believe that, do you.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah? I mean I think that going back to that
Detroit game when he was really skinny on the sideline,
you know, at the end of the season, after meeting
multiple injuries. And I also think it gets back to
the way in which he played. Was not a guy
that had to carry his offense in college. He handed
the ball off and they played defense. And they had
thirty NFL guys over a two year span, right, I mean,
(14:15):
look at Stetson. Bennett was on a team that you know,
any decent quarterback could have navigated. And I think the
concerning part is you have to massage this if you're
the team. So it's like, okay, Darnold gets fifty five
plus million guaranteed from Seattle, It's like, you can't. They
were like, we're not going to give him that. I
think they wanted to keep Daniel Jones. Remember they made
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a big deal to bring him in on the practice
squad last year. But then Chris Ballard starts sniffing around, Hey,
we'll give you fourteen fifteen million dollars. So then they're thinking, well,
how would this look if we match that or even
give him a little bit more shows It tells everyone
we don't believe. So they were kind of in a
weird spot. I think they would have loved, you know,
Daniel Jones. Market's only eight to ten easier to justify.
(14:58):
What did you start getting once they gave Daniel Jones
that money, Like, I don't know, like where you stand
on this. I think Daniel Jones gonna be the starter
of a week one.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
And that was.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Before the kid heard his hit his shoulder.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
He was going to beat out Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
He's going to be the starter.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
I had an NFL GM told me he had never
last year. I texted him about Anthony Richardson. He goes,
I've never seen an NFL quarterback that bad on accuracy,
on shit out in the flat. I those were the
exact words. He goes. The layup stuff is brutal. He
is badly missing layups and so I thought Daniel Jones
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would beat him out in camp.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Well, to me, what it is is a couple of
years ago, Trey Lance. It was over the moment they
signed Sam Darnold as the two, and then Trey Lance
wasn't even on the team. Might be harder to trade
Anthony Richardson because of the injury. But I think this
team's in a weird spot. They're all in on this roster.
It's excellent, and they loaded up because they had JJ
McCarthy's rookie contract. They bought a bunch of guys in
free agency their team. If you told me they just
(16:02):
had Dak Prescott was their quarterback, I'd be like, well,
if he just doesn't turn it over in the postseason,
this team's gonna be tough. You know, you put Brock
Berdy on their Super Bowl favorites, right, but this guy's
never started an NFL game, And even the going back
to remember Harbaugh was suspended and the and Sharon Moore.
It didn't even passed the ball in the second half
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against Penn State. It was a special team that he
got to, you know, orchestrate and run as a quarterback.
He was not asked like most of these quarterbacks in
twenty twenty five. So I'm very concerned because a lot
of times also young quarterback, but Caleb got drafted number
one overall. It went shitty, but ultimately it's like, Okay,
you know, the Bears hadn't made the playoffs. The expectations
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for this team. They just won fourteen games. If they
won like nine games and missed the playoffs, it would
be catastrophic. It'd be a there's a lot of pressure
on a guy. I don't remember the last time a
guy that was drafted this high was like a expected
anything less than the NFC Championship game. It gets to
the Trey Lance and Anthony Richardson. Obviously, Trey was on
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a team that was expected to compete for the Super Bowl.
So it's different than just going to a team typically
drafting in the top five. The cult same thing, like
you draft this guy in the top five, he's expected
to be a playoff level quarterback. That's different than just
going to some crappy team like ultimately Jayden Daniels, who
was incredible. The pressure on them to start the year
wasn't that high, right if they would have won six
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to seven games, he exceeded everything. Same thing with CJ.
Stroud a couple years ago, but they got to kind
of sneak up on everyone. There's those sneaking up. Minnesota's,
I would say, one of the marquee teams in the
league coming into the year. It's a tough spot for
a young player. That's like, what if Week two were
down ten and we're gonna need you to throw it
forty five times and then all of a sudden, justin
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Jefferson's I getting the ball. We know how those wide
receivers are. I wouldn't blame him.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
The two stories in the NFL at quarterback that are
fascinating are what is JJ McCarthy and who will win
the own starting job? Because so tomorrow or the time
this airs, it's mandatory mini camp. This is not voluntary OTA,
so veterans can show up. And my argument is this
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owner Jimmy Haslam signed Johnny, drafted Johnny Manzellen Baker Mayfield
and signed to Sean Watson to an egregiously bad contract.
He's desperate for a star at quarterback. He wants a
star at quarterback. Well, Kenny Pickett's got no juice dyll
In Gabriel's five to eight, Joe Flacco's old shador is
the only potential star. And if you look at the
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first five weeks, it's five top ten offenses. Then Aaron
Rodgers in Pittsburgh, and it's a lot of dynamic offenses
and dynamic quarterbacks Joe Burrell and Lamar Jackson and again
two and Mike McDaniel. There's a lot of powerful offenses.
If they're dull in the first six weeks because they
don't have a very good roster, they're probably a four
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to six win team. My take is Jimmy Haslam is
going to make a call and say I want you
to standers. History tells me this, owner. We we've seen this.
We saw Jim the late Great Jim Mersey get pissed
off because Carson Wentz had a bad game in Jacksonville
and they shipped him out of town. After a twenty
seven and seven season, a twenty seven touchdown seven pick season.
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Carson Wentz. That was his last good year. I think
Shadeure the star power will matter in ninety percent of markets.
It doesn't Cleveland at quarterback it does. So my guess
is there's a lot of dull, small old Shadoor by
week eight is starting. Do you think I'm out of
my mind?
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Uh? Well, you're on board, flat, I know you've been
making you know, tongue in cheek. Flacco is going to
start week one right are you? You were there? Okay,
if it gets to a point, the team's not going
to be very good.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
You know, the defense can only carry us so long.
In the NFL, it's an offensive league now with the rules.
If they force him to start Shadoor Sanders and the
coach doesn't want to play him, I do think Kevin
Stefanski by the end of the year, we'll just quit.
It'll be one of those situations where Stefanski and Barry,
who are very highly thought of. And I was actually
(20:08):
in the car today, I was listening to show when
you gave me a little shoutout talking about how it
was clear during the draft right they draft, they overdrafted
Gabriel to keep the owner off their back and then
the kid kept falling and raft that.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I think it's true because I asked GMS about Dylan
Gabriel and they're like, he's not a third round draft pick.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
I thought I knew people that thought the guy was
undrafted because of this time, not not that he's not.
I mean he's an excellent college player and I mean
very productive. But going in the third round I think
was a jarring move for a lot of teams. Wow,
and I truly believe they did it. And if it's
the visuals of the of the owner hovering over them,
but he was there in the fifth round. I do
(20:50):
think it's you have to make plays in practice. I
mean they do have some start, you know, the Miles
Garretts and these guys that are playing every week in
the NFL. It's not like some of these other sports
and baseball or basketball where you kind of go through
the motions even if your team is out of it.
You still like practice is hard, the games are hard.
So if you make a guy the starter, he'd better
be showing something, especially if he's running the scout team.
(21:11):
I remember when perty became the starter, when Jimmy Garoppolo
and Trey Lance went down. It was easy to justify
to the team because the Fred Warners and the boss
were like, we love this guy in practice, We've been
seeing him goes back to the Rogers and some of
these guys that run the scout team, they earn street
cred with the team. And I do think you throw
a guy like that in the coach and the GM
wouldn't just be behind the scenes like what are we doing?
(21:34):
The team could quit on you, but the owner has
proven that he doesn't really care. I get asked a
lot like how can these owners be so successful in
whatever line of work they do and then such bad owners?
And I do you know the thing with football that's
different than just running a trucking company or tepper and
an investing firm. You can just buy your way out
(21:56):
of stuff once you get so much capital and resources.
In football, everyone the salary cap. Salary cap, you only
have a limited amount of draft picks. And once you
invest in a couple guys like they do, get a
huge piece of your puzzle. Right Like in Flying j
if you buy the wrong building, whatever ten million are
are right off off to the next thing. In football,
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like some of the like they got rid of Russell
Wilson in Denver. It really crippled their cap immediately right,
so's you can't just buy your way out of stuff,
regardless how much cash the owner actually has in its pocket.
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Speaker 4 (23:49):
I wanted to move on to the Knicks. So I
see this report this morning, and it's from Sham's talking
about how they're just calling up around all these big
shot code which is in the league. Jason Kidd, Doka,
Quinn Snyder, Chris Finch, what do you make of this
bizarre behavior.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
From the Knicks right now? I'm not a tinfoil hat guy,
but James Dolan who's been in a band. I'm not
sure if he still is views himself as an artist
and that's why he is his his his greatest achievement
is not the Knicks. I mean he inherited the cable
vision from his dad. Right, it's the Sphere in Vegas,
(24:29):
which is a remarkable Have you been there? I think
you've been there six times.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
I absolutely love it.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah, So it's a remarkable musical engagement achievement all time
in the world, and that's really where his heart is.
Irving aves Off, a former great promoter now I think
he's MGM Management is one of his closest friends. He was,
you know, he was a had a record label. That's who.
That's who James Dolan is. So when he wants to
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get a GM, he goes after a star Phil Jackson.
Then he wanted Steve Kerr and Amari Stodamire on Bad
Knees out of Phoenix and Tibbs isn't his kind of guy.
So who does he go after? Jason Kidd, who's a star.
He's interested in. Kevin Durant, who's a star. That's who
James Dolan is. He hangs around stars. He loves stars.
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He's a creative. This is not a criticism, but I
think he listened to his players grumble. You know, he
sat down with his players and again he relates to
artists and athletes and stars. He just go look at
the history. And when he was doing the sphere for
two years, he was disengaged from the team and they
got very patient and very pragmatic and very basketball. He
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and very villanova ish and that's Tibbs. And so you
get rid of Tibbs. It's not the same culture. It's
not the same team. You still have the Villanova guys,
but it won't feel the same. So it just it
just feels like James and I don't I almost you know,
he reminds me a little bit of Ersay and that
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Ersay would rather sit with his guitar and hang out
with Dylan outside of football more than anything else. And
I think James Dolan's a little bit of that. And
I think he's an emotional guy. He's an artist. He
relates to artists and he listens to his stars, and
he didn't have a plan, and I think it's a big,
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big mistake. This, by the way, this is what every
Nick fan dreaded is that when he came back from
the sphere he would get hands on And there are
various reports on who has their fingerprints on this, but
they're not getting rid of TIBs. He just signed a
new deal without Dolan, you know, acquiescing to a suggestion
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or making the move himself. So in the end, this
is what the Knicks man. This league's crazy owners in
the NFL and the NBA. You know that all owners
now Jason are billionaires. It was years ago they weren't.
They made they were worth six hundred million or eight
hundred million. They wouldn't blow out staffs. They didn't want
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to write a forty six million dollar check. That is
a rounding air. And now of these owners and they're
all I see it in the NFL all the time.
Guys will just blow out staffs. David Tepper write a
sixty eighty million dollar check. The dollars didn't want to
do that eight, ten, twelve years ago. They do now.
So I don't know who they're gonna land they they
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I mean, they've been turned out by seven coaches, all
the good ones, Finch and Emo Duka and Jason Kidd,
and they're just getting turned out by everybody.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
Yeah, matt Isshbia blew out of staff twice within two
years of owning the team.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
It's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
I uh, you know, it's it's fascinating because, like I
tried to look at it in a very open minded way,
because like I actually do think Jason Kid's a better
coach now than he gets credit for a couple of
years ago. I wasn't super high on him, but he,
just like anybody else, as a competitor, has been doing
it for a while now and he's gotten pretty good
at it. Like I was looking at the Knicks for
a second, like, I agree with you in terms of
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the kind of topsy turvy unstable nature with which you
look and you portray to people when you fire your
coach in a situation like this. But I also think
Tims left some meat on the bone with this next team.
I thought they underachieved all season right out the gates.
They underachieved.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
He brought it.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
He's not a creative offensively, He's not like the team
got very predictable offensively.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
I thought the major issue with this team schematically was spacing,
and it actually impacted both ends of the floor on offense.
Meant what you're mentioning in terms of creative offense, like
his what he did on offense in terms of his creativity.
The spacing for this team was extremely poor, which made
life very difficult, but it had a trickle down effect
in the sense that or spacing also affects your transition defense,
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Like if you don't have your guys situated in proper
spaces on the floor, then on missus and turnovers, you
don't have guys in position to be back in transition defense.
And the Pacers annihilated them in transition in worse than
ever in game six, like embarrassing fashion in Game six
is Siakam and everyone else was just getting run out
up after runout dunk after runout layups. So like I
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did think there was like a defensible case to move
on from TIBs to more of a tactician. I actually
see Jason Kidd as a solid option in the sense
that he was a master of modern four out spacing
with Luca when he was there, which actually I think
is a really natural fit with Brunson, and Brunson played
for Kid before, so there's like some natural stuff there.
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And then he did a good job with transition defense
with the MAVs despite them not being super athletic. So
I give him credit for that that would work. The
thing there is, it's just unrealistic. And if I'm Jason Kidd,
why would Like, I don't actually see the Knicks as
that grade of a job, like insane New York pressure.
The roster is really good, but it's not amazing.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
It's not Oh, by the way, Mikhale Bridges wants a
new contract. OG's getting paid, Brunson's getting paid like the
Mitchell Robinson. These guys are getting paid like that. Dallas
think Lively's not getting paid, Cooper Flag won't get paid.
I don't know if Max Christy doesn't cost much, AD's
getting paid, but you get twenty four and eleven Like, Yeah,
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I look at Dallas and I'm like, I get excellence
when they're healthy, and I get an incredible top end
with Lively and Flagg. I know what the Knicks are
and there's a ceiling and I see it all the time.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Yeah, exactly, Like, I don't see it as being the
kind of job that Jason Kidd would be willing to
basically sabotage his situation and force his way there and
then like the other names I saw, I didn't even
particularly like, like ima Udoka is a motivator, that's like
his primary role, And I don't think that's a specific
need for the Knicks, Like I think the specific thing
that Nick's need is just someone to come in and
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take them to the next level in terms of their
offensive organization and their spacing, which will lead to them
having a bunch of additional benefits and transition defense. I
understand there's a hesitancy to call a guy like Mike Malone,
and the reason why is because he has a reputation
for being a hard ass and Tibbs was kind of
a hard ass, and like, I don't think they want
to go down that route again. But there's like hard
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ass and then there's TIBs. Like Mike Malone leaned on
his starters big minutes, but still not even close to
what Tibbs did. And one of the things I'll say
about Mike Malone, he was an excellent defense and spacing coach.
He made a championship defense out of non championship defensive
talent and they were always consistently one of the best
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floor spacing teams in the league. And they were very
good and again, we can. We got to least acknowledge
Jokis was there. So Jokic makes it a lot easier, obviously,
but he specifically was very good at making spacing opportunities
out of non spacers, guys like Aaron Gordon, guys like
Christian Brown, guys like Bruce Brown over the years, guys
like h Russell Westbrook even so like fitting a guy
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like Josh Hart, Mitchell Robinson, some of these non shooting
types of players, even Mkhail Bridges, who has struggled a
lot as a shooter in this postseason run. Like, I
actually think Mike Malone is a really good fit for
this NIXT team. I think he's a completely reasonable option
that doesn't involve you doing something insane like calling you
on the league. Because here's what gets crazy. Let's say
you call the MAVs and they're like, okay, sure, let's
talk about Jason Kidd. What are you going to offer us?
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We already acknowledged this is not a championship roster, So
you're going to give up assets for a coach. You
need players, You need talent in there, so like its
specifically defensive talent your front court. So I don't really
understand what the endgame is here.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, I just I am on the short list of
people that think Dallas is going to be really good,
really fast. I think Flag and Lively are you know,
they're duke guys. They're going to be quick learners. They
play at the highest level of competition Collegiately, I think
One's going to be One's twenty one or twenty two.
He's going to be a rim protector for the next decade.
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So Cooper Flag can be out in transition, won't have
to worry about being down low and getting jammed up,
which has always been what Lebron loves. He doesn't want
to be messed up in that junk. He wants to
you know, he wants that ball out and up the court.
So and I just you know, PJ. Washington, Christy. If
Kyrie comes back, I'm not sure what they're going to
do with him. Ad I would forget the taxes, forget
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everything else. I would not lead Dallas. I think Dallas
is a good job. The situation that's fascinating to me
is Houston because I think I think right now san
Antonio is about ready to pop. So I like san
Antonio and they could get you honest, and I think, Okay,
see as set and I think Houston's going to be
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in that group of three young teams a little lost
because Jalen Green, I'm in, Thompson's excellent, Sengoon's excellent, but
there's just a lot of athleticism that's not very good
in a half court game. And I think I think
Okase has popped. San Antonio is going to pop, and
I so I could if I'm if I'm a dooka,
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I would consider the job. I think Houston's one of
those that, like the national media, we hover in, we
drop in, we go, oh okay, Houston didn't like what
I saw, I'll be honest, and I think you can
push him around. I don't think they have a lot
of half court possessions that are just sort of lost.
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You don't get good looks. They look a little disorganized eye.
But Jason kid to me, the next five years in
Dallas are gonna be fascinating with just this trajectory that
goes through the roof.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
The roster is weird because it's kind of imbalanced in
a sense that they just have an absurd amount of
front court talent, like you don't relively, Gafford, Anthony Davis, PJ.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Washington, and Cooper Flag.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Like that's five starting caliber players that all play the
four or the five. So like, I do see an
imbalance there, but there's an insane amount of talent. And
I actually go the other way there, which is like
they can afford to go into training camp and just
bring all these guys in and start playing and basically
look around the league and be like, who's gonna throw
us the Godfather offer for PJ. Washington, for Daniel gafferd Ford,
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Anthony Davis, Like you could a argue that Ad is
going to be the target that someone goes after, like
because Ad is hurt now, so he's got that classic
Everyone's down on him. They think he's old, they think
he's beat up. Ad comes out of training camp looking
like he's in great shape, motivated, kicks everybody's butt for
a couple of months. He instantly becomes like a dude
you could flip for an enormous mountain of assets.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
So I.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
Look at Dallas as a very very healthy situation moving forward.
It's not the same Luka Doncic were right on the
doorstep of the title, but they do have a lot
of big picture potential. We got a report from Shams
today that Kevin Durant and his business partner, Ridge Climate
are kind of canvassing the league looking for potential opportunities.
The five names that were thrown out in the SHAMS
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report for the Houston Rockets, San Antonio Spurs, the Miami Heat,
the Minnesota Timberwolves, in the New York Knicks. Did where
did your head go when you saw that report this morning?
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Well, I think he works everywhere. I think there's very
few players that fit everywhere, and Katie is one of them.
He doesn't necessarily need to be the soul of the team.
He doesn't need the ball constantly in his hands. You
get great length, a willing defender twenty four, twenty six.
I think KD fits everywhere. You know, if I was
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KD I in New York, I think he fits New
York well. But Brunson has the ball in his hands.
I mean in his mind, is he thinking Brunston's got
some Westbrook like dribble the air out of the ball.
And I'm sitting in the corner like I could see him,
like I've been through that. You know, Kyrie, who he
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played with, also can be a little bit like that.
So I could see KD just saying, you know, because
he's got the leverage here, I could see him saying,
I've kind of done the ball centric guard thing. I
just don't want it again. Pat Riley and Spolster are
very convincing people. Miami's a great place to play, no
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state tax, It's a winter league, a lot of warm weather. Like,
Miami's a really attractive place out east. But I'm a
KD fan. I think he fits in a lot of
places in Minnesota. He obviously fits. And you know, we've
talked about this, like Lebron in his prime was great,
but he had to be the offensive ecosystem you had
to Chris Bosh had to reduce, you know, got marginalized.
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Kevin Love can get marginalized guys get away from the rim.
Go you know, Kyrie Irving, you can't have the ball
that So Kevin never provides that kind of obstacle, Like
he just kind of fits. So I can tell you this,
if if if if you were a GM and you
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talk to a coach or players, a lot of guys
would raise their hands and say, get KD. Because I
think he loves basketball. He's a good teammate, He's got
a good sense of humor. He doesn't need to be
the media darling. I think he's really liked and respected
in the league.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
One hundredsent agree.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
You know.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
I love the point you made about his fit, Like
he all five of these teams the basketball makes a
lot of sense.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
There's one.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
The one team that I was like that doesn't make
as much of a sense in terms of the basketball
fit to me was the Spurs because it's like, I
don't love the idea of putting a super thin front
court player that likes the perimeter next to another super
thin front court player that likes them.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
I wasn't a huge fan of that one. It also
just doesn't really fit San Antonio's timeline. So the Spurs
one was weird for me. The Heat, I like the fit.
I just don't know why KD would go there because
it just feels like another move to a team that's
not good enough to win the title. Like I'm just
not sure that like is Kevin Durant, Tyler Harrow, bam Adebayo,
is that enough to win the title. I don't.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
I don't think so much. But like when I'm watching
that kid Benedict Mathern. Mathern for Indy Tonight. I mean,
I'm not trying to overreact here, but when I'm watching
him and I'm like, Jesus, he's just a kid, Like
he's gonna you're gonna get this two out of three
games next year, like this is this? I mean, by
the way, again, I think was either third leading scorer
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on the team or fourth leading scorer this year.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Like he coming into the coming into this series. He
was actually the highest per minute score for the Pacers
in this playoff run because I use it a shorter roll,
but his like points per thirty six minutes was the
highest on the team.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Yeah, okay, So I watch him and I think, oh,
he's going to become a full time starter and it
will be Siakam Halle and Mathern are their three leading scorers.
So I mean, I just I'm looking at the East
and I'm like, I think Indiana is going to take
a leap next year. You know, they'll play with a
finals level confidence. So I just I don't think. I
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just I and I'm not just saying this because they're
up two to one. I look at Indiana and I'm like, man,
that is a team with I mean outside of I
mean Sayakam, he is what he is. I feel like
seventy five percent of Indiana all those players will be
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better next year. I mean out Seawkams game is his game.
They're better than they were last year. It's just like
all of them. I was just so impressed with him tonight.
So we can start talking about with Tatum out next year.
It's gonna run through Indy. We've got to be honest
about this. It's gonna run through Indy. They are deep,
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they're well coached. Most of their players are ascending. The
East is running through Indy.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
I agree, And I don't see the heat as like
an obvious like, oh, he goes there and he's all
of a sudden the favorite in the Eastern Conference.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
I like the Rockets fit.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
I think his skill set is desperately needed as a
guy who's a shot creator gone shoot from the perimeter.
He also brings length at the rim, which is not
like the Rockets are a big, strong team. They're not
like a long arms team. Like Jabari Smith Junior is
like the one guy they have that offers The.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
Rockets need him. Jason, I would argue the Rockets need
him more than any other team that he would play for.
They need him their half court offense gets lost a.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
Lot, Yeah, and he would go in there and immediately
vault them into top tier championship contention, So that move
makes some sense. I will say, by far, out of
these five teams, my favorite fit is the Timberwolves. It's
a similar lack of redundancy in the sense that he
brings kind of like exactly what the team doesn't have,
which is a rock solid secondary ball handler next to
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Ant who can really generate shots for his team. But
they can surround KD with elite super physical defense, which
is what he hasn't had in these other destinations. And
also similarly, Nas red not super vertical, Julius Randall not
super vertical, Rudy Gobert is vertical, but like they, Kevin
Durant would be a guy at the four spot, different
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from Kat last year, different from Nas who brings real
vertical length to the table where you can imagine Jaden McDaniels,
Kevin Durant and Rudy Gobert on the floor together in
that front line and it's like all arms just everywhere,
and it would just be really, really difficult to handle,
but it's gonna be really interesting. I'm hopeful. I'm hopeful
that we get a pretty quick, like a set of
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action here in late June where we find out where
all these guys land. But Colin, I sincerely appreciate you
taking the time to join us tonight. It was good
to see you, Colin. It was great to see you man,
great to see you buddy.
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the ultimate driving machine Electrified BMW Aaron Rodgers got married.
I saw he had a wedding ring on and I
was talking about this on FS one today. In the
last year, I've had a couple of buddies who are
gms in the league, and one of the lines I've
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used in my business for a long time is weird
doesn't work. You can have an ego, you can even
be a little temperamental. You can make mistakes, but if
you're weird, eventually companies will move on from you. And
I had a general manager tell me I was out
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with him about six months ago, and he said, Aaron
just got weird. And he said, and there's a story
that McVeigh passed on him, Kevin O'Connell passed on him.
He was the Steeters third choice. And it's I was
writing down a list today of the quarterbacks I would
take over Aaron in the league, and there were sixteen
of them, including like bo Nicks. I'm not paying Bonnicks anything.
He's more coachable, he's more athletic, he throws a fine ball.
(01:55):
I think Aaron's just gotten to a point where I
think Pittsburgh's about the only offer he had, and reportedly,
according to Chefter, he was their third choice.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yeah, I mean, I do think it's pretty bizarre that
he signs this contract and he's supported in the wedding ring.
I mean, this is these quarterbacks. You know who they're
married to is kind. I mean, they're pretty big stars, right,
They're like actors, NBA stars. Josh Allen gets married. We
all know it. Not all these guys even married famous
people like Josh Allen or Tom Brady. They're married to
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other famous people. Patrick Mahomes married to his high school sweetheart.
Peyton Manning's married to a girl I think he dated
in college. Who cares this whole thing of like, I
got things going on in my personal life, which I
assumed it was negative stuff. Turns out maybe he was
just getting married and wanted to push this off. It's
just kind of the I've always been pro Aaron Rodgers
as a player because I thought he was incredible, you know,
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I thought, in the peak of his powers, he's one
of the best athletes in terms of their sport I've
ever seen in my entire life, which is weird because
when you look at the totality of his career, it
almost feels underwhelming for how good he was. You know,
I think he let down in the playoffs. I mean
they lost a couple of years ago at home to
Jimmy Garoppolo in the forty nine ers offense. I think
they scored thirteen points. That can't happen. But I think
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this whole because we knew he was going to go
to Pittsburgh. It was just when he was going to sign.
But that picture of him with the wedding ring is
just a little bizarre. I mean, there's really no way around. Yeah, right,
And you've been on this forever. Listen as someone that
got I got married for the first time at forty
years old. Now there is a and a lot of
my friends and my brother got married in their late twenties,
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early thirties. Your life is dramatically different, you know. I mean,
obviously then you have kids. It is a completely different lifestyle.
And he's just kind of been in this weird spot. Obviously.
Also as a player, he's no longer the same. His
mobility's gone. Yes, he's just not a dominant player anymore.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
You can argue Tom Brady had a twenty year prime,
a twenty year prime now even though he was really
good past forty, really considerate maybe forty one and then
the prime ended, but he was still threw a great
ball at forty.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I'd get I'd give him for that first that first
year and a half, his hamp I think he was
pretty damn good.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Ye, People forget this. Aaron's last year in Green Bay
they played in they played an average Lions team at
home and lost, and it was Aaron. I think it
was Aaron's last was his last game as a Packer.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
And he got outplayed by Golf in that game, but
Early outplayed Aaron.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
So that year, if you go back statistically, Aaron was
a B plus quarterback. He didn't play his first three
years in the league, right he sat in the bench.
His fourth theory started, he went six and ten. I
can argue Aaron had less than a ten year prime.
I mean, because he hasn't done anything in four years.
He didn't do anything the first four years. So I
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mean Aaron's prime was about half of Brady's.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I'd give I'd give him two thousand and nine to
about twenty one twenty two. I mean he won the
MVP in twenty one twenty one. Yeah, about about ten
eleven years max.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Think about that. Brady's at twenty and I so if
you really look at Peyton Manning's probably about fourteen usually,
you know, I mean Mahomes maybe one of those seventeen
to eighteen years Aaron just and I think a lot
of it was just Aaron. I don't think he was
as committed in the off season. I think he wasn't.
(05:26):
You know, I thought he was really good the year
he went six and ten, But I didn't think he
was I just thought he was talented. He wasn't a
winning quarterback. But I think a lot of that is
just I've always been one of these people. I'm not
impressed by people that get jobs. I'm impressed by people
that keep them. Like I think there is there is
a real skill to being Lebron James or Tom Brady
or Derek Jeter, and it's a commitment on nutrition, what
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you eat, sleep, And I think that's a skill. I
think discipline's a skill. Maybe people don't. Maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe mental health professionals would argue that disciplines is you know,
it's it's.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Not a skill. Anyone who says that not is a moron.
From the Navy seals to our athletes, to our CEOs,
what are they?
Speaker 1 (06:08):
And I just look at Aaron's prime. It's half of Brady.
And you can say what you want, but that last
year in Green Bay, he was a B quarterback and
he's gone downhill since. I mean, he's just a pocket
guy now. And he's not even like an elite pocket guy.
He's just a pocket guy.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Well, I think when you look at his contemporaries or
definitely his peers over his career, because he came in
a lot later than Peyton and definitely, you know, definitely
Peyton and Tom, he was way more physically gifted than
those guys. Those guys couldn't run, Tom and Peyton couldn't
run at all. I would say Drew Brees definitely wasn't
a mobile quarterback, and he just had more skills. I mean,
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I would say Peyton and Drew Brees are known at
best average arms, right, they hung their hat on accuracy.
Tom had the best arm of that trio. But those
guys worked like they could get cut next year. I mean,
everyone you ever talked to that were around those guys,
they were discussed like they were Michael Jordan or Kobe
Bryan or Tiger Woods. Their addiction to their craft and
how much it meant to them. I do think Aaron
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really benefited a lot. I mean, Tom Brady goes to
the Patriots who sucked right him, and Bill turned that
thing around. Peyton went to the Colts who had the
number one overall pick, and Drew Brees and Sean Payton
showed up to the Saints that were known as the Aince.
This guy went to the Green Bay Packers, who were
a model franchise for fifteen plus years before he got there.
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And I always think that, like listen him and Davante. Sometimes,
you know, you kind of make up your own problems
in your head when life's going a little too good.
And it felt like those two guys, I mean, they
have to look back after the couple bumpy years of going,
we actually had it pretty good. You know, it can
be a little boring in this town, but we had
a lot of success here For a reason.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
I'm looking up Aaron Drew Brees's career from the first
five years with the Chargers and then you know that
fifteen year run or whatever it was with the Saints.
If I go back to Drew Brees, a smaller athlete,
you can say his first great year was two thousand
and four with the Chargers. So let me count these
years one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen,
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fifty sixteen. I would say Breeze had either sixteen or
seventeen elite years, I mean, and I think Brady's twenty plus.
So and again this isn't bash Aaron. It's just when
you go and I've said this, I said this before
to you. If Stafford won another super Bowl, Stafford was
(08:36):
better in college, he was better early, he was much
better later. If Stafford plays three more years, and I
endor McVeigh, they would be good. They have I mean
it's they've they've got their ship rolling. If he gets
one more super Bowl, you're gonna look at Matt Stafford,
and you're gonna look at Aaron Rodgers, and you're gonna
have to have a real hard conversation because that means
(08:58):
Stafford's playoff wreck is gonna be significantly better than Aaron Rodgers,
which is basically five hundred people think I'm crazy when
I say this. Stafford has more a game legacy than
any player in the league over the next three years.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
I will say this about Rogers when it came to Stafford,
he was one of his biggest proponents over the years.
You know, when he was middling away in Detroit, He's like,
you guys don't realize and obviously the football people held
him in high regard. Kind of got screwed that he
got drafted to this franchise. That I mean They're gonna
be kids right now in Detroit that have no clue
how big of a joke that franchise used to be.
(09:38):
I will say, I think Rogers kind of morphed a
little more into like an NBA player, right, or like
receivers off then act than these quarterbacks. I mean even
Tom for a long period of time just kind of
shut his mouth, kept his head down dealing with Bill.
I mean, Peyton, would he have ever gone to Denver
if they hadn't cut him in India and he had
no other neck injury, he just would have played it
out forever in Indianapolis. So yeah, I just think Aaron,
(10:01):
and part of it might be the nature of that franchise.
You know, you've talked about this a lot of people
have over the years. There's no owner to really get
involved and kind of calm everyone down. Yes, even just
the basic of like hey, you want to take my
jet with your new wife or your buddies to wherever
you want, just the you know, the Eddie de Barbelow,
Jerry Jones, the robber craft like kind of taking care
(10:23):
of you. That there's no that guy doesn't really exist.
So I honestly think that those guys and if I
was a Packer fan, We'll see how the Jordan Love
stuff plays out. But it's like, God, why did these
guys make such a big stink? We could have kept
it rolling for a couple of years. We have a
really good coach. It's like, remember when he was having
at odds with Gudikins. It's like, what are you actually
(10:43):
mad about with him? Like what what did he do?
You know, what are we talking about? And let's face it,
his ego was really really hurt with the Jordan Love
draft pick well, looking back, and there have been a
lot of articles, so was Tom and what did Tom do?
Went out and said I'm going to dominate and win
Super Bowls and you're gonna have to get rid of
that guy, not me. Aaron kind of took the different
tactic like screw you guys, get rid of me, and
(11:05):
obviously age. Let's face it, in the history of sports,
isn't Aaron's career parallel the most guys we've ever watched.
Once you get to your late thirties, you had an injury,
popped achilles, and you're just never quite the same. And
then usually you go to these weird franchises or in
his You know, this scenario kind of a desperate one.
I think they have a lot of guys, from Cam
(11:27):
Hayward to TJ. Tamika that are like serious cats. This
has got to be like, wait, we had to wait
for you. It's not like you're the greatest thing since
sliced bread.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Here, Bud, Yeah, yeah, I mean, listen, I'm not this.
I think this year he'll win. He in a nine games,
he'll have twenty three touchdowns, ten picks. He'll be fine.
I'll miss a game or two. It'll but it is
interesting when you look back, I think Aaron views himself
is picked on or marginalized by the media. And when
you just start looking at Peyton's career and Ben's career,
and Breeze's career, and Brady's career and Elway and Marino,
(11:59):
you just start looking at some of these careers, Aaron's
prime was just not as long, and some of that
he sat behind far. But I thought he aged really
quickly and you can speculate why he did, but he did. Okay,
So I want to throw this out. The JJ McCarthy
stuff's kind of fascinating to me because he was the
(12:19):
one guy in this quarterback class two years ago. I
didn't like. I just didn't see it. I thought he
was a bit small. I thought he was athletic enough.
I'm always very very cautious when people say he's a winner.
What the f does that mean? Doesn't mean anything. Danny
Werfel was a winner. Every Florida coach, every Florida quarterback
he bo. Yeah, under Spurrier was a winner. Johnny Manziel
(12:40):
was a winner. It doesn't mean anything. I always believe
that if you look at most NFL quarterbacks, they had,
even Brock Purdy, who I don't love, they had to
carry their college offense, Big Ben, Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers,
Eli Manning. You know they're not playing with five star guys.
That's why Ohio State, you think, would have ten great
NFL quarters. C J. Strouds their first really good one.
(13:02):
USC's had very few great NFL quarterbacks, and Alabama hasn't,
LSU hasn't. Burrow obviously is but he was a transfer.
But JJ McCarthy his last two years, he threw the
ball over thirty times one time, he never trailed. He
had a great run game, And so I look at
him and Ross Tucker came out with a story, and
(13:23):
I think Ross is a very credible guy. I don't
know him, but very credible guy. He said, listen, there's
concerns they wanted to resign Donald. And I heard the
same thing. But because of my relationship with Darnald, I
wondered if people were telling me that. My source was
telling me that because they knew I loved Donald, but
they had said they actually they actually want Sam and
I couldn't believe it. I'm like, no, you got you
(13:44):
drafted JJ McCarthy. He has to play. If Ross Tucker
says there's concerns, I believe that, do you.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah? I mean I think that going back to that
Detroit game when he was really skinny on the sideline,
you know, at the end of the season, after meeting
multiple injuries. And I also think it gets back to
the way in which he played. Was not a guy
that had to carry his offense in college. He handed
the ball off and they played defense. And they had
thirty NFL guys over a two year span, right, I mean,
(14:15):
look at Stetson. Bennett was on a team that you know,
any decent quarterback could have navigated. And I think the
concerning part is you have to massage this if you're
the team. So it's like, okay, Darnold gets fifty five
plus million guaranteed from Seattle, It's like, you can't. They
were like, we're not going to give him that. I
think they wanted to keep Daniel Jones. Remember they made
(14:36):
a big deal to bring him in on the practice
squad last year. But then Chris Ballard starts sniffing around, Hey,
we'll give you fourteen fifteen million dollars. So then they're thinking, well,
how would this look if we match that or even
give him a little bit more shows It tells everyone
we don't believe. So they were kind of in a
weird spot. I think they would have loved, you know,
Daniel Jones. Market's only eight to ten easier to justify.
(14:58):
What did you start getting once they gave Daniel Jones
that money, Like, I don't know, like where you stand
on this. I think Daniel Jones gonna be the starter
of a week one.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
And that was.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Before the kid heard his hit his shoulder.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
He was going to beat out Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
He's going to be the starter.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
I had an NFL GM told me he had never
last year. I texted him about Anthony Richardson. He goes,
I've never seen an NFL quarterback that bad on accuracy,
on shit out in the flat. I those were the
exact words. He goes. The layup stuff is brutal. He
is badly missing layups and so I thought Daniel Jones
(15:36):
would beat him out in camp.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Well, to me, what it is is a couple of
years ago, Trey Lance. It was over the moment they
signed Sam Darnold as the two, and then Trey Lance
wasn't even on the team. Might be harder to trade
Anthony Richardson because of the injury. But I think this
team's in a weird spot. They're all in on this roster.
It's excellent, and they loaded up because they had JJ
McCarthy's rookie contract. They bought a bunch of guys in
free agency their team. If you told me they just
(16:02):
had Dak Prescott was their quarterback, I'd be like, well,
if he just doesn't turn it over in the postseason,
this team's gonna be tough. You know, you put Brock
Berdy on their Super Bowl favorites, right, but this guy's
never started an NFL game, And even the going back
to remember Harbaugh was suspended and the and Sharon Moore.
It didn't even passed the ball in the second half
(16:22):
against Penn State. It was a special team that he
got to, you know, orchestrate and run as a quarterback.
He was not asked like most of these quarterbacks in
twenty twenty five. So I'm very concerned because a lot
of times also young quarterback, but Caleb got drafted number
one overall. It went shitty, but ultimately it's like, Okay,
you know, the Bears hadn't made the playoffs. The expectations
(16:43):
for this team. They just won fourteen games. If they
won like nine games and missed the playoffs, it would
be catastrophic. It'd be a there's a lot of pressure
on a guy. I don't remember the last time a
guy that was drafted this high was like a expected
anything less than the NFC Championship game. It gets to
the Trey Lance and Anthony Richardson. Obviously, Trey was on
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a team that was expected to compete for the Super Bowl.
So it's different than just going to a team typically
drafting in the top five. The cult same thing, like
you draft this guy in the top five, he's expected
to be a playoff level quarterback. That's different than just
going to some crappy team like ultimately Jayden Daniels, who
was incredible. The pressure on them to start the year
wasn't that high, right if they would have won six
(17:25):
to seven games, he exceeded everything. Same thing with CJ.
Stroud a couple years ago, but they got to kind
of sneak up on everyone. There's those sneaking up. Minnesota's,
I would say, one of the marquee teams in the
league coming into the year. It's a tough spot for
a young player. That's like, what if Week two were
down ten and we're gonna need you to throw it
forty five times and then all of a sudden, justin
(17:46):
Jefferson's I getting the ball. We know how those wide
receivers are. I wouldn't blame him.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
The two stories in the NFL at quarterback that are
fascinating are what is JJ McCarthy and who will win
the own starting job? Because so tomorrow or the time
this airs, it's mandatory mini camp. This is not voluntary OTA,
so veterans can show up. And my argument is this
(18:13):
owner Jimmy Haslam signed Johnny, drafted Johnny Manzellen Baker Mayfield
and signed to Sean Watson to an egregiously bad contract.
He's desperate for a star at quarterback. He wants a
star at quarterback. Well, Kenny Pickett's got no juice dyll
In Gabriel's five to eight, Joe Flacco's old shador is
the only potential star. And if you look at the
(18:34):
first five weeks, it's five top ten offenses. Then Aaron
Rodgers in Pittsburgh, and it's a lot of dynamic offenses
and dynamic quarterbacks Joe Burrell and Lamar Jackson and again
two and Mike McDaniel. There's a lot of powerful offenses.
If they're dull in the first six weeks because they
don't have a very good roster, they're probably a four
(18:54):
to six win team. My take is Jimmy Haslam is
going to make a call and say I want you
to standers. History tells me this, owner. We we've seen this.
We saw Jim the late Great Jim Mersey get pissed
off because Carson Wentz had a bad game in Jacksonville
and they shipped him out of town. After a twenty
seven and seven season, a twenty seven touchdown seven pick season.
(19:15):
Carson Wentz. That was his last good year. I think
Shadeure the star power will matter in ninety percent of markets.
It doesn't Cleveland at quarterback it does. So my guess
is there's a lot of dull, small old Shadoor by
week eight is starting. Do you think I'm out of
my mind?
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Uh? Well, you're on board, flat, I know you've been
making you know, tongue in cheek. Flacco is going to
start week one right are you? You were there? Okay,
if it gets to a point, the team's not going
to be very good.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
You know, the defense can only carry us so long.
In the NFL, it's an offensive league now with the rules.
If they force him to start Shadoor Sanders and the
coach doesn't want to play him, I do think Kevin
Stefanski by the end of the year, we'll just quit.
It'll be one of those situations where Stefanski and Barry,
who are very highly thought of. And I was actually
(20:08):
in the car today, I was listening to show when
you gave me a little shoutout talking about how it
was clear during the draft right they draft, they overdrafted
Gabriel to keep the owner off their back and then
the kid kept falling and raft that.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I think it's true because I asked GMS about Dylan
Gabriel and they're like, he's not a third round draft pick.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
I thought I knew people that thought the guy was
undrafted because of this time, not not that he's not.
I mean he's an excellent college player and I mean
very productive. But going in the third round I think
was a jarring move for a lot of teams. Wow,
and I truly believe they did it. And if it's
the visuals of the of the owner hovering over them,
but he was there in the fifth round. I do
(20:50):
think it's you have to make plays in practice. I
mean they do have some start, you know, the Miles
Garretts and these guys that are playing every week in
the NFL. It's not like some of these other sports
and baseball or basketball where you kind of go through
the motions even if your team is out of it.
You still like practice is hard, the games are hard.
So if you make a guy the starter, he'd better
be showing something, especially if he's running the scout team.
(21:11):
I remember when perty became the starter, when Jimmy Garoppolo
and Trey Lance went down. It was easy to justify
to the team because the Fred Warners and the boss
were like, we love this guy in practice, We've been
seeing him goes back to the Rogers and some of
these guys that run the scout team, they earn street
cred with the team. And I do think you throw
a guy like that in the coach and the GM
wouldn't just be behind the scenes like what are we doing?
(21:34):
The team could quit on you, but the owner has
proven that he doesn't really care. I get asked a
lot like how can these owners be so successful in
whatever line of work they do and then such bad owners?
And I do you know the thing with football that's
different than just running a trucking company or tepper and
an investing firm. You can just buy your way out
(21:56):
of stuff once you get so much capital and resources.
In football, everyone the salary cap. Salary cap, you only
have a limited amount of draft picks. And once you
invest in a couple guys like they do, get a
huge piece of your puzzle. Right Like in Flying j
if you buy the wrong building, whatever ten million are
are right off off to the next thing. In football,
(22:16):
like some of the like they got rid of Russell
Wilson in Denver. It really crippled their cap immediately right,
so's you can't just buy your way out of stuff,
regardless how much cash the owner actually has in its pocket.
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Speaker 4 (23:49):
I wanted to move on to the Knicks. So I
see this report this morning, and it's from Sham's talking
about how they're just calling up around all these big
shot code which is in the league. Jason Kidd, Doka,
Quinn Snyder, Chris Finch, what do you make of this
bizarre behavior.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
From the Knicks right now? I'm not a tinfoil hat guy,
but James Dolan who's been in a band. I'm not
sure if he still is views himself as an artist
and that's why he is his his his greatest achievement
is not the Knicks. I mean he inherited the cable
vision from his dad. Right, it's the Sphere in Vegas,
(24:29):
which is a remarkable Have you been there? I think
you've been there six times.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
I absolutely love it.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah, So it's a remarkable musical engagement achievement all time
in the world, and that's really where his heart is.
Irving aves Off, a former great promoter now I think
he's MGM Management is one of his closest friends. He was,
you know, he was a had a record label. That's who.
That's who James Dolan is. So when he wants to
(24:56):
get a GM, he goes after a star Phil Jackson.
Then he wanted Steve Kerr and Amari Stodamire on Bad
Knees out of Phoenix and Tibbs isn't his kind of guy.
So who does he go after? Jason Kidd, who's a star.
He's interested in. Kevin Durant, who's a star. That's who
James Dolan is. He hangs around stars. He loves stars.
(25:18):
He's a creative. This is not a criticism, but I
think he listened to his players grumble. You know, he
sat down with his players and again he relates to
artists and athletes and stars. He just go look at
the history. And when he was doing the sphere for
two years, he was disengaged from the team and they
got very patient and very pragmatic and very basketball. He
(25:40):
and very villanova ish and that's Tibbs. And so you
get rid of Tibbs. It's not the same culture. It's
not the same team. You still have the Villanova guys,
but it won't feel the same. So it just it
just feels like James and I don't I almost you know,
he reminds me a little bit of Ersay and that
(26:01):
Ersay would rather sit with his guitar and hang out
with Dylan outside of football more than anything else. And
I think James Dolan's a little bit of that. And
I think he's an emotional guy. He's an artist. He
relates to artists and he listens to his stars, and
he didn't have a plan, and I think it's a big,
(26:21):
big mistake. This, by the way, this is what every
Nick fan dreaded is that when he came back from
the sphere he would get hands on And there are
various reports on who has their fingerprints on this, but
they're not getting rid of TIBs. He just signed a
new deal without Dolan, you know, acquiescing to a suggestion
(26:45):
or making the move himself. So in the end, this
is what the Knicks man. This league's crazy owners in
the NFL and the NBA. You know that all owners
now Jason are billionaires. It was years ago they weren't.
They made they were worth six hundred million or eight
hundred million. They wouldn't blow out staffs. They didn't want
(27:06):
to write a forty six million dollar check. That is
a rounding air. And now of these owners and they're
all I see it in the NFL all the time.
Guys will just blow out staffs. David Tepper write a
sixty eighty million dollar check. The dollars didn't want to
do that eight, ten, twelve years ago. They do now.
So I don't know who they're gonna land they they
(27:26):
I mean, they've been turned out by seven coaches, all
the good ones, Finch and Emo Duka and Jason Kidd,
and they're just getting turned out by everybody.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
Yeah, matt Isshbia blew out of staff twice within two
years of owning the team.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
It's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
I uh, you know, it's it's fascinating because, like I
tried to look at it in a very open minded way,
because like I actually do think Jason Kid's a better
coach now than he gets credit for a couple of
years ago. I wasn't super high on him, but he,
just like anybody else, as a competitor, has been doing
it for a while now and he's gotten pretty good
at it. Like I was looking at the Knicks for
a second, like, I agree with you in terms of
(28:01):
the kind of topsy turvy unstable nature with which you
look and you portray to people when you fire your
coach in a situation like this. But I also think
Tims left some meat on the bone with this next team.
I thought they underachieved all season right out the gates.
They underachieved.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
He brought it.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
He's not a creative offensively, He's not like the team
got very predictable offensively.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
I thought the major issue with this team schematically was spacing,
and it actually impacted both ends of the floor on offense.
Meant what you're mentioning in terms of creative offense, like
his what he did on offense in terms of his creativity.
The spacing for this team was extremely poor, which made
life very difficult, but it had a trickle down effect
in the sense that or spacing also affects your transition defense,
(28:42):
Like if you don't have your guys situated in proper
spaces on the floor, then on missus and turnovers, you
don't have guys in position to be back in transition defense.
And the Pacers annihilated them in transition in worse than
ever in game six, like embarrassing fashion in Game six
is Siakam and everyone else was just getting run out
up after runout dunk after runout layups. So like I
(29:02):
did think there was like a defensible case to move
on from TIBs to more of a tactician. I actually
see Jason Kidd as a solid option in the sense
that he was a master of modern four out spacing
with Luca when he was there, which actually I think
is a really natural fit with Brunson, and Brunson played
for Kid before, so there's like some natural stuff there.
(29:25):
And then he did a good job with transition defense
with the MAVs despite them not being super athletic. So
I give him credit for that that would work. The
thing there is, it's just unrealistic. And if I'm Jason Kidd,
why would Like, I don't actually see the Knicks as
that grade of a job, like insane New York pressure.
The roster is really good, but it's not amazing.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
It's not Oh, by the way, Mikhale Bridges wants a
new contract. OG's getting paid, Brunson's getting paid like the
Mitchell Robinson. These guys are getting paid like that. Dallas
think Lively's not getting paid, Cooper Flag won't get paid.
I don't know if Max Christy doesn't cost much, AD's
getting paid, but you get twenty four and eleven Like, Yeah,
(30:07):
I look at Dallas and I'm like, I get excellence
when they're healthy, and I get an incredible top end
with Lively and Flagg. I know what the Knicks are
and there's a ceiling and I see it all the time.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Yeah, exactly, Like, I don't see it as being the
kind of job that Jason Kidd would be willing to
basically sabotage his situation and force his way there and
then like the other names I saw, I didn't even
particularly like, like ima Udoka is a motivator, that's like
his primary role, And I don't think that's a specific
need for the Knicks, Like I think the specific thing
that Nick's need is just someone to come in and
(30:43):
take them to the next level in terms of their
offensive organization and their spacing, which will lead to them
having a bunch of additional benefits and transition defense. I
understand there's a hesitancy to call a guy like Mike Malone,
and the reason why is because he has a reputation
for being a hard ass and Tibbs was kind of
a hard ass, and like, I don't think they want
to go down that route again. But there's like hard
(31:04):
ass and then there's TIBs. Like Mike Malone leaned on
his starters big minutes, but still not even close to
what Tibbs did. And one of the things I'll say
about Mike Malone, he was an excellent defense and spacing coach.
He made a championship defense out of non championship defensive
talent and they were always consistently one of the best
(31:24):
floor spacing teams in the league. And they were very
good and again, we can. We got to least acknowledge
Jokis was there. So Jokic makes it a lot easier, obviously,
but he specifically was very good at making spacing opportunities
out of non spacers, guys like Aaron Gordon, guys like
Christian Brown, guys like Bruce Brown over the years, guys
like h Russell Westbrook even so like fitting a guy
(31:45):
like Josh Hart, Mitchell Robinson, some of these non shooting
types of players, even Mkhail Bridges, who has struggled a
lot as a shooter in this postseason run. Like, I
actually think Mike Malone is a really good fit for
this NIXT team. I think he's a completely reasonable option
that doesn't involve you doing something insane like calling you
on the league. Because here's what gets crazy. Let's say
you call the MAVs and they're like, okay, sure, let's
talk about Jason Kidd. What are you going to offer us?
(32:06):
We already acknowledged this is not a championship roster, So
you're going to give up assets for a coach. You
need players, You need talent in there, so like its
specifically defensive talent your front court. So I don't really
understand what the endgame is here.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, I just I am on the short list of
people that think Dallas is going to be really good,
really fast. I think Flag and Lively are you know,
they're duke guys. They're going to be quick learners. They
play at the highest level of competition Collegiately, I think
One's going to be One's twenty one or twenty two.
He's going to be a rim protector for the next decade.
(32:40):
So Cooper Flag can be out in transition, won't have
to worry about being down low and getting jammed up,
which has always been what Lebron loves. He doesn't want
to be messed up in that junk. He wants to
you know, he wants that ball out and up the court.
So and I just you know, PJ. Washington, Christy. If
Kyrie comes back, I'm not sure what they're going to
do with him. Ad I would forget the taxes, forget
(33:04):
everything else. I would not lead Dallas. I think Dallas
is a good job. The situation that's fascinating to me
is Houston because I think I think right now san
Antonio is about ready to pop. So I like san
Antonio and they could get you honest, and I think, Okay,
see as set and I think Houston's going to be
(33:25):
in that group of three young teams a little lost
because Jalen Green, I'm in, Thompson's excellent, Sengoon's excellent, but
there's just a lot of athleticism that's not very good
in a half court game. And I think I think
Okase has popped. San Antonio is going to pop, and
I so I could if I'm if I'm a dooka,
(33:49):
I would consider the job. I think Houston's one of
those that, like the national media, we hover in, we
drop in, we go, oh okay, Houston didn't like what
I saw, I'll be honest, and I think you can
push him around. I don't think they have a lot
of half court possessions that are just sort of lost.
(34:09):
You don't get good looks. They look a little disorganized eye.
But Jason kid to me, the next five years in
Dallas are gonna be fascinating with just this trajectory that
goes through the roof.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
The roster is weird because it's kind of imbalanced in
a sense that they just have an absurd amount of
front court talent, like you don't relively, Gafford, Anthony Davis, PJ.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Washington, and Cooper Flag.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Like that's five starting caliber players that all play the
four or the five. So like, I do see an
imbalance there, but there's an insane amount of talent. And
I actually go the other way there, which is like
they can afford to go into training camp and just
bring all these guys in and start playing and basically
look around the league and be like, who's gonna throw
us the Godfather offer for PJ. Washington, for Daniel gafferd Ford,
(34:58):
Anthony Davis, Like you could a argue that Ad is
going to be the target that someone goes after, like
because Ad is hurt now, so he's got that classic
Everyone's down on him. They think he's old, they think
he's beat up. Ad comes out of training camp looking
like he's in great shape, motivated, kicks everybody's butt for
a couple of months. He instantly becomes like a dude
you could flip for an enormous mountain of assets.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
So I.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
Look at Dallas as a very very healthy situation moving forward.
It's not the same Luka Doncic were right on the
doorstep of the title, but they do have a lot
of big picture potential. We got a report from Shams
today that Kevin Durant and his business partner, Ridge Climate
are kind of canvassing the league looking for potential opportunities.
The five names that were thrown out in the SHAMS
(35:43):
report for the Houston Rockets, San Antonio Spurs, the Miami Heat,
the Minnesota Timberwolves, in the New York Knicks. Did where
did your head go when you saw that report this morning?
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Well, I think he works everywhere. I think there's very
few players that fit everywhere, and Katie is one of them.
He doesn't necessarily need to be the soul of the team.
He doesn't need the ball constantly in his hands. You
get great length, a willing defender twenty four, twenty six.
I think KD fits everywhere. You know, if I was
(36:19):
KD I in New York, I think he fits New
York well. But Brunson has the ball in his hands.
I mean in his mind, is he thinking Brunston's got
some Westbrook like dribble the air out of the ball.
And I'm sitting in the corner like I could see him,
like I've been through that. You know, Kyrie, who he
(36:39):
played with, also can be a little bit like that.
So I could see KD just saying, you know, because
he's got the leverage here, I could see him saying,
I've kind of done the ball centric guard thing. I
just don't want it again. Pat Riley and Spolster are
very convincing people. Miami's a great place to play, no
(36:59):
state tax, It's a winter league, a lot of warm weather. Like,
Miami's a really attractive place out east. But I'm a
KD fan. I think he fits in a lot of
places in Minnesota. He obviously fits. And you know, we've
talked about this, like Lebron in his prime was great,
but he had to be the offensive ecosystem you had
to Chris Bosh had to reduce, you know, got marginalized.
(37:22):
Kevin Love can get marginalized guys get away from the rim.
Go you know, Kyrie Irving, you can't have the ball
that So Kevin never provides that kind of obstacle, Like
he just kind of fits. So I can tell you this,
if if if if you were a GM and you
(37:42):
talk to a coach or players, a lot of guys
would raise their hands and say, get KD. Because I
think he loves basketball. He's a good teammate, He's got
a good sense of humor. He doesn't need to be
the media darling. I think he's really liked and respected
in the league.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
One hundredsent agree.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
You know.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
I love the point you made about his fit, Like
he all five of these teams the basketball makes a
lot of sense.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
There's one.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
The one team that I was like that doesn't make
as much of a sense in terms of the basketball
fit to me was the Spurs because it's like, I
don't love the idea of putting a super thin front
court player that likes the perimeter next to another super
thin front court player that likes them.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
I wasn't a huge fan of that one. It also
just doesn't really fit San Antonio's timeline. So the Spurs
one was weird for me. The Heat, I like the fit.
I just don't know why KD would go there because
it just feels like another move to a team that's
not good enough to win the title. Like I'm just
not sure that like is Kevin Durant, Tyler Harrow, bam Adebayo,
is that enough to win the title. I don't.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
I don't think so much. But like when I'm watching
that kid Benedict Mathern. Mathern for Indy Tonight. I mean,
I'm not trying to overreact here, but when I'm watching
him and I'm like, Jesus, he's just a kid, Like
he's gonna you're gonna get this two out of three
games next year, like this is this? I mean, by
the way, again, I think was either third leading scorer
(39:00):
on the team or fourth leading scorer this year.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Like he coming into the coming into this series. He
was actually the highest per minute score for the Pacers
in this playoff run because I use it a shorter roll,
but his like points per thirty six minutes was the
highest on the team.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Yeah, okay, So I watch him and I think, oh,
he's going to become a full time starter and it
will be Siakam Halle and Mathern are their three leading scorers.
So I mean, I just I'm looking at the East
and I'm like, I think Indiana is going to take
a leap next year. You know, they'll play with a
finals level confidence. So I just I don't think. I
(39:37):
just I and I'm not just saying this because they're
up two to one. I look at Indiana and I'm like, man,
that is a team with I mean outside of I
mean Sayakam, he is what he is. I feel like
seventy five percent of Indiana all those players will be
(39:58):
better next year. I mean out Seawkams game is his game.
They're better than they were last year. It's just like
all of them. I was just so impressed with him tonight.
So we can start talking about with Tatum out next year.
It's gonna run through Indy. We've got to be honest
about this. It's gonna run through Indy. They are deep,
(40:18):
they're well coached. Most of their players are ascending. The
East is running through Indy.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
I agree, And I don't see the heat as like
an obvious like, oh, he goes there and he's all
of a sudden the favorite in the Eastern Conference.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
I like the Rockets fit.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
I think his skill set is desperately needed as a
guy who's a shot creator gone shoot from the perimeter.
He also brings length at the rim, which is not
like the Rockets are a big, strong team. They're not
like a long arms team. Like Jabari Smith Junior is
like the one guy they have that offers The.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
Rockets need him. Jason, I would argue the Rockets need
him more than any other team that he would play for.
They need him their half court offense gets lost a.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
Lot, Yeah, and he would go in there and immediately
vault them into top tier championship contention, So that move
makes some sense. I will say, by far, out of
these five teams, my favorite fit is the Timberwolves. It's
a similar lack of redundancy in the sense that he
brings kind of like exactly what the team doesn't have,
which is a rock solid secondary ball handler next to
(41:20):
Ant who can really generate shots for his team. But
they can surround KD with elite super physical defense, which
is what he hasn't had in these other destinations. And
also similarly, Nas red not super vertical, Julius Randall not
super vertical, Rudy Gobert is vertical, but like they, Kevin
Durant would be a guy at the four spot, different
(41:41):
from Kat last year, different from Nas who brings real
vertical length to the table where you can imagine Jaden McDaniels,
Kevin Durant and Rudy Gobert on the floor together in
that front line and it's like all arms just everywhere,
and it would just be really, really difficult to handle,
but it's gonna be really interesting. I'm hopeful. I'm hopeful
that we get a pretty quick, like a set of
(42:01):
action here in late June where we find out where
all these guys land. But Colin, I sincerely appreciate you
taking the time to join us tonight. It was good
to see you, Colin. It was great to see you man,
great to see you buddy.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
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