Colin Cowherd Podcast - Ravens Blow Out Bills, Vikings Best In The NFL? Commanders Cruising, Eagles Get Smoked, Jets Lose Ugly - The Colin Cowherd Podcast

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as Baltimore did everything right and hammered Buffalo. We're going

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to have a really really long breakdown of many of
the games this weekend, including Alabama Georgia with John Middelkoff
in about ten minutes. So you know this, Buffalo and Baltimore,
two teams that met tonight, are both were to good teams,
great cores, really solid coaches, excellent organizations, front offices, draft

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developed well. But they're they're unlike Kansas City, which wins
all these games. Kansas City never blows you away all
year long. Usually when you're a dynasty. You know, Steph
Katie Klay Thompson in their prime, Bama in their prime,
Yukon women's basketball, Yokovic and tennis. When you get dominant

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players Serena, they jumped through the TV. I mean, it's
just they're just exhilarating blowout wins. Kansas City doesn't give
you that. Kansas City just plays close and wins, which
I do think eventually now with Rashi Rice perhaps out
for the year, cross your fingers on that. Maybe that's

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that's the tipping point. But Baltimore in any Sunday can
look like the best team in the world. And Buffalo
last Monday looked like the best team in the world,
and yet the Ravens lost at home to the Raiders
and the Bills that I weren't even competitive. So those
teams are just Baltimore to me is so highly emotional.
Half to half, I mean, their first half statistics in

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the last two weeks between the Cowboys and Baltimore and
then the Bills tonight in Baltimore, I mean, it's remarkable.
Their efficiency, their power, they're dynamic. You don't quite know
ever what you're going to get half to half from Baltimore.
But tonight's one of those nights. Where everything went well,
Derek Henry big eighty seven yard run to start it,

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and just gashing Buffalo. So I like Baltimore in this
game to win because I thought stylistically they Buffalo hadn't
faced a team like this yet, and you know, Baltimore
is Chris Collins were set at tonight. They're like facing
one of those academy teams in college that runs you know,
you know, you think it's an outdated, weird offense. It's

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hard to practice for it, especially in a short week.
There's nothing like Baltimore and Lamar Jackson in the league,
So I just thought that played in there. But in
the second half, Buffalo had, you know, just for a minute,
had a little momentum. They were running the ball pretty well,
and then they tried a weird trick play. And listen,
if you're gonna do trick plays, I'm a fan of them.
About every third or fourth week. They have to work

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because any trick play that fails, you look like the
worst coach in the face of the earth. The McDermott
was just getting killed when they are the offensive coordinator
Joe Brady when they make that call. But it wasn't
going to be Buffalo's night. You could tell from the
first half all the energy, the tackling wasn't great, just
was going to be Baltimore's night, and last week was
going to be Buffalo's night. Those two teams, I mean,

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on any the three teams in this league that in
any half can look unbeatable, or the Minnesota Vikings, the
Buffalo Bills, and the Baltimore Ravens. And so when Derreck
Henry now is finally cooking for them and Lamar Jackson,
I will you know, I've defended Lamar Jackson for years,
and my take is all these quarterbacks are different, some tall,
some short, you know, some more running, some better pocket.

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I love Stafford, Aaron Rodgers in the pocket. I like
Lamar out of it. The guy who wins seventy six
percent of his games and take away the Kansas City Chiefs.
He wins big games, just beat the Cowboys, just beat
the Bills convincingly in both. He's just so damn dynamic.
There's nothing else on the planet like him. And so,
you know, I used to kind of be like, you
got to be a pocket quarterback. Wiggle a little. The

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game's changed, the rules have changed, and you know it
took everybody about a year to figure out if he
could play. But you could just see tonight Buffalo's totally
out of sorts, Lamar playing with a ton of confidence.
And you know, we live in a weird world now
where you can present people with evidence. You can literally
present people with evidence. I see it in politics all

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the time, and people just don't want to believe it.
And it's like, you can look at all the passing
numbers for Lamar Jackson fourth quarter passing in the pocket passing,
you know, he's very good, He's better than average. He's
obviously the greatest running quarterback of all time. But this
idea that he can't throw from the pocket now Jalen
hurts from the pocket, I don't think it's great. You know,

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Russell Wilson from the pocket, I don't think was great.
Lamar's really above average from the pocket, and tonight he
was hitting and they finally furnished him with decent wide receivers.
Mark Andrews doesn't feel like the player he was about
two years ago. Tight Ends tend to age fast, more
collisions they're asked to block, their bodies get beat up.

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So about the time Mark Andrews feels like he slowed
down a little bit. You know, they finally drafted and
developed some young wide receivers, but everybody was hitting tonight
on all cylinders. And so that's why, you know, when
Baltimore got off to a sluggish start, I said, you know,
there's too well run of an organization to bail on him.
And I really do think there are about eight organizations
in this league that are really really well run. You know,

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we all know Kansas City, Buffalo, Baltimore. It's not just
winning their well run. I think the Rams aren't playing
well because they're all beat up. They're well run. San
Francisco's well run. Generally, Philadelphia is well run. And then
there's about a third of the league that's a circus,
you know, impulsive owner, you know, too many kids in
the front office from the owner. They're just not particularly sharp.

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So Buffalo and Baltimore are going to be around at
the end of the season. This league is crazy. I
guess you know we're going to talk about this with
John my surprise team this year. Before the season started,
I said, keep your eye on Washington. So we've been
right on that. Minnesota's playing Minnesota maybe the best coach

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team in the league, offensive head coach and defensive coordinator.
They're Buffalo's. Minnesota's defense is playing well, and it's not
a highly heralded defense. But I think I think the
early indications are Minnesota feels completely for real to me. Coaching,

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quarterback play, weapons, they feel absolutely real to me. Washington
is really fascinating offensively. I think the coaching and the
quarterback play is like kind of mind blowing for a rookie.
I still think they're fairly awful on the back end
of their defense. And the question for Washington is if

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they start peeling off wins, here, are they one of
those teams at the trade deadline that thinks we're going
to be a playoff team and can win playoff games.
Do they go out and make a move at the
trade deadline. I could see them doing that. Some draft
capital go get a player. Washington. Their efficiency on offense,
I keep saying, regression of the mean, it's going to

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pull back. I bet against them this weekend. I thought
Arizona would win. It's just unheard of. It's like they're
setting all sorts of records. Minnesota feels more legit than Washington.
When Washington gets into the heart of their schedule. I
don't think it's gonna look like this. I watched Tampa
Bay run through them like a hot knife. But Washington

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and Minnesota two NFC teams. I'll tell you this. Here's
the other thing that jumps out to me.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
So THEFC.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
Is right now better than the NFC, and a lot
of it's just they hit on like six or seven
really good quarterbacks. Caleb this weekend got his feet under him.
Jayden Daniels looks absolutely fantastic. So I think JJ McCarthy
and Pennix can both play. But you got it, looks
like two guys that can really work in the NFC.
So good for Chicago and good for Washington to win

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starved franchises that haven't had great owners. Washington's got new ownership,
Chicago's same old ownership, but they've got their quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
It looks like all right.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
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I could start in a lot of areas. I'm gonna
start with Minnesota Green Bay because going into Lambeau twenty

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eight and other lead. It was weird. I said this
Friday on FS one, I didn't want to bet this
game because I could see two different things happening. And
one of the things I can see happening is Jordan
Love without a lot of in game reps against Brian
Flores and just being rusty, just being off. I mean,
Brock Purdy and CJ. Stroud were like, this defense is insane.
I've never seen anything like it. And I did feel

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like Jordan just kind of it was moving real fast
for him, and I mean they're special teams. Their defense
it wasn't good either. Green Bay had I think seven
penalties in the first half, but I did give them.
I mean they made it tight. Is it a fair
defense of Jordan Love? Is this may be the best
defensive coordinator you're not getting in game reps? This is

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a lot. I mean, this thing made Brock Purdy and CJ.
Stroud look lost. Is that fair?

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah? I think there's two ways to look at it. First, obviously,
you missed that much time coming off a knee injury,
and he's a player that's predicated on moving around a
little bit. You could argue did you need to do
this after you won the last two games, could you
have waited another week and just see what you can
do muck up the game with Malik Willis now, The
counter is, this is not the NBA guys play when

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they're injured. They don't sit out when they're healthy. No
matter what, you play right if you can. And by
the end of the game, he definitely looked a little
bit better. But here's the thing, Colin, and this goes
back to last year and even before he got injured
in the Eagles games, he could be really sloppy with
his footwork. Yes, and maybe he took good notes from
Aaron Rodgers. I would say Aaron Rodgers is one of

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the only players that has ever gotten away with it
at the level in which he's gotten away with it.
You know, far balls. He threw a lot of interceptions, right,
I mean, it's it's not normal to throw the ball
constantly off your back foot forty yards and the when
you're playing a high end defense. I did a little
research the last couple of weeks because I was like,
do people in the league think Minnesota is for real?

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The Niners and the Texans both responded, Hell yeah. Then
they came out today, Kevin O'Connell and Sam Donald that
first half look like Joe Montana and Bill Walsh and
obviously their defensive coordinator. Like after that first half, it
wasn't even close. No team was in their realm of
level of play through three weeks and a half. It's
not the Chiefs, not any other team in the league.

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And honestly, well, I guess we'll see the Bills the night,
but not the complete game, the defense and the offense
and the weapons they have. Colin So you ran into
a buzzsaw, but you can't throw interception. He wore a
far of jersey to the game. Jordan loved it, and
he played a lot like him in the first half,
flinging it all over to the other team.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah, I mean, I think the knock on Jordan Love
and I heard this coming out of college was he
was loose. He was talented, but he was really loose.
And players that play like that Mahomes can early in
his career generally. Now, the good news he has Matt Lafleur,
but players like that will revert back to that when
things speed up. They'll get really loose. We've seen by
the way Stafford earlier in his career could do this

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where you know, when things break down, you're running for
your life, you're moving, you're trailing, you're just trying to
make plays. So I give Jordan Love a little bit
of a pass. But I think the thing with Donald
that's unbelievable is that his precision. I mean he had
sep twenty to twenty eight seven rushes. So you're getting
all the upside that we always knew with Donald, which

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was guy can make plays, a big, strong guy, and
we're getting none of the reckless. So I was, I
was texting with a friend in the league today. He goes,
Minnesota's got the best coaching staff in the league right now,
top to bottom, the best coaching staff. Everything's hitting, and
this is an offensive league, and we always know who

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the hot offensive coordinator is Ben Johnson a couple of
years ago. Last year, we don't talk about the hot
defensive coordinator. Mike McDonald for Baltimore was But you're over
shadowed because it's an offensive league. Brian Flores, people forget
when he was in Miami, take the two a thing out.
He takes a mess over. They're not very good for
about four weeks they get pretty interesting for four and

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by week eight Miami had elite defense and special teams,
and he has worked hard. Flores has to clean up
his reputation. When Tua bagged on him, he immediately addressed
it and apologized. He smiles. Kevin O'Connell, by the way,
have you noticed this is letting Brian talk at press conferences.
He's giving him an opportunity to like, hey man, we're

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going to rehab your image here a little bit. Brian
is smiling. I mean clearly Minnesota like knows what they have,
knows they're not going to keep forever. He's going to
get a job. We'll rehab your reputation. But I think
what Flores is doing Jordan Love, Brock Purtty, c. J.
Stroud look completely lost.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yeah, Brian Flores is as good as it gets right now.
A defensive coordinator. You could argue they're the equals right
now of Andy Reid and Spags. But the difference is Andy.
Andy has Mahomes thrown to me and you He's got
Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison. You know what Andy would do
for Aaron Jones. I mean, I mean their offensive weaponry
and like you said, even the pick today for Sam

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Darnold to throw interceptions. Guys are making great place, yes,
and his athleticism showing up. This is a guy went
from like, oh, he's gonna get a good contract to
every game that goes by, it's like, what is this
team gonna do? I mean, you don't let a quarterback
who's playing like this walk out the building. You just don't.
And with every passing week, I mean that they are

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dominating these games. I'm sorry when you go up twenty
eight to nothing. We saw it in this game. We
saw it in the Alabama game. It's a little bit
different for the offense in the second half than when
the game is, you know, ten to seven in the
third quarter. Just the corners, the DB's, the coordinators are
not calling the same things, but their speed on offense

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is eye opening. I mean, Jefferson is an all time talent.
I mean he just jumps off the screen. Addison is
a fantastic player and the play calling everyone in the league.
You talk to him, I talk to him. Kevin is
just like a very humble, low key, you know, former quarterback,
good looking guy, but he does carry it. You know.
Jim Harbaugh carries himself like a big swing and Dick

(15:03):
Kevin O'Connell when he's a pretty mellow, low key you
wouldn't know he was San Diego State, you know, just
drafted by the pat Patriots. You wouldn't know he's a
former NFL quarterback just watching him on the screen. But
as a play caller, I mean he's right up there
immediately with the Andes and the Kyles, and then he

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a couple of years ago, remember how bad their defense
was and hiring Flores. It's it's they look like a
juggernaut right now now. Yeah, I mean you never know
Donald in some of these bigger games. There's just you
won't know it till he plays it. But he keeps
answering the bell against the best teams of the league.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah, and John, I don't think we look at Minnesota's
talent defensively as elite. That's why every weekend it's a
different player. I mean, you watch the Chiefs today. Chris
Jones is unblockable every sing I mean today, it was
ridiculous with backup offensive lineman.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
It was a joke.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
They could literally even the running backs would come over
to help. It didn't matter. He just blew through people.
SODA's doing it with different players each week because they
don't really have an Aaron Donald. They don't have a
Chris Jones. What they have as a collective, they're well coached,
they're lined up, and again green Bay's special teams were
out of sorts. I'm gonna give it a little bit
of a green Bay pass just because of It's like

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your first test is a calculus test in college, Like
that was a tough one for Jordan Love to walk
into that defense and that momentum. But it's not And
I love Sam Darnold, but this story is equal Donald's
redemption and resurrection and the defense it is shutting people down.
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going to pivot to another game. Ram Chicago. Chicago beat
the Rams twenty four eighteen, and again Rams don't have
Pooka Cooper their best offensive linemen. If they did, I

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think they win this game. They just couldn't convert. They're
not They can't convert in the red zone very well.
They don't have playmakers. Every drive for the Rams feels
like it has to be like a seventy play drive.
But I thought Caleb Williams today speaking of the North. Now,
again the Rams weren't fully staffed, but I thought Caleb
Williams today with a run game, so Swift had I

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think seven catches, they had one hundred and twenty five
yards rushing. Therefore, the offensive line was better because the
defense had to be honest. I thought Caleb looked and
again they had these young quarterbacks. Even Jaden Daniels can
struggle with this. You know, the motion penalties they go
on the road or it's loud. I mean, even Jordan Love,

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Aaron Rodgers today the Jets had five of them. That's tough.
But I thought Caleb today looked, feet were better, poised,
o line better, and he had a run game. And
it's like, yeah, that's I thought Caleb played really well.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah, I mean, I still think he misses some passes
that he definitely hit a lot in college. I don't
want to call them layups, but there were a couple
of today, a DJ Moore down the sideline. But this
is the formula for a young quarterback. One hundred and
thirty yards on the ground and twenty three attempts. You
know what they did last week, But you know, fifty
attempts when the majority of the game is within a

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score is insanity. It's one thing when you got paid
Manning or Aaron Rodgers and you're not setting the guy
up for success. And I'm with you, I like, they
just have to find a way now they kind of
like bench swift. But then he started making plays. They
were saying during the week they were gonna give other
running backs a shot, maybe to give him a little
kick in the ass, Like you're dancing around too much.

(19:29):
We paid you to depend on you to help this
young guy out and he just listen, you don't turn
the ball over. The reason we talk about turnover so
much and here coaches talking because in these NFL games,
even early in the slate, you're like this, this seven
games going on right now is terrible. Half of them
are all tight in the fourth quarter. So you give
the ball away. It's pretty devastating. And he doesn't throw

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a pick and you're only throwing the ball twenty three times,
Like that's a successful strategy against you know, most teams
that you're gonna play. But you cannot ask this guy
to throw the ball fifty times a game and think
that's conducive to winning. Not with the guy playing the
fourth game of his career who has a little hero

(20:12):
ball syndrome to him. Yes, so when you're asking him
to do it a lot, it's gonna get a.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
Little out of whack well. And the interesting thing, the
tricky thing for Chicago is, and you saw it again today,
iber Flues's defense situational. He's pretty good. Matt knows what
he's doing on that side of the ball. Now, Cliff
Kingsbury obviously knows what he's doing on the offensive side
of the ball. You're watching right now a masterclass. But
a lot of these guys who are great. Some guys

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are vice president, some guys are CEOs. Clearly eber Flus
knows defense because you have to. They don't give you
a lot of freebies. The Rams today again they had
didn't have Cooper Puka, so it makes it really difficult.
But when I watch Chicago today, I guess the word
I would use is the one you used formula. I'm like, oh, yeah,

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this this will work. They've they played even when they led,
it was just the off. It's just amazing, what a
decent it doesn't You don't have to rush for two
hundred yards one hundred and thirty. Just Swift popped about
five runs, several catches and it just that's the formula.
I still think this is going to be a seven

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win team, but John, it will feel better than last
year's seven win team. You'll look at it and go, oh,
we didn't have Keenan for a bunch of games. The
defense is excellent. It feels when I watch Caleb play
and justin fields, I feel sometimes justin fields is it's
he's lost. Caleb's wildly talented, he just sometimes misses easy throws.

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But I kind of I feel like today a couple
of times his expression doesn't change, he doesn't get down.
There was a couple of the clocks winding down. I
just felt, justin I just felt Caleb felt under control today.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, he definitely was less frenetic than the last couple
of weeks. And that's where Aden has really thrived. You're like,
does this guy even get is he unflappable? But one
thing that you just mentioned he's got going for him
and they've been hammered all year is Brian Robinson, the
running back from Texas, is a really good player. Hand
the ball off to him and that just calms everyone down.
And the Bears were not able to run the ball.

(22:17):
I think the problem though, big picture, if the Bears
only end up with seven or eight, you know, you
just got coaching flux. Then you got new coordinators and
then you got more movement. I mean, that's just always
an issue whenever we talk about young quarterbacks and just
young teams in general, because they do have a lot
of talents. But if you couldn't win this game, Colin

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the Rams, you know, understaffed coming off a big win,
so you know they can inhale a little bit that
ten am kickoff for a West Coast team long trip.
This was if you're not winning this game, you're probably
instead of heading for seven or eight, might be heading
for five or six. So this was a big game
for Chicago at home. Quiet the crowd a little bit

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because the fans, they're like, what the hell's going on here?
Partly because the expectations were so high. That's why think
about with Jayden Daniels, both of them, I mean, these
guys went one too. Both of them won the last
two Heismans. But the expectations for Jaden weren't nearly as
high as Caleb just because of the Avalanche hype. Really
over the course of his college career from three years

(23:20):
ago when he came in for Spencer Rattler in a
Kansas game and ripped the ball out of the guy's hands.
And you watch Jayden Daniels and you go, I don't
know how you could look much better, just in terms
of calm, poise, deep ball accuracy, accuracy across the field,
just zero freak out whenever there's a rush, throwing guys open,

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like to me right now. And it's not apples to apples.
They're playing on different teams. His offensive coordinators clearly better.
They sculpted an offense around him that just fits. He's
in the shotgun. But Kingsbury's added more physical run game
by Adam Anthony Lynn, who they stole from the Niners,
who's kind of an old school running back guy, and
it's just working. And I don't know how many games,

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how good their defense is. Ultimately, the Cardinals might just suck,
But just if you just watch him independent of everything,
you go, holy shit, this guy's this guy's got a
lot going for him.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
So let's pivot to that forty two fourteen, Washington goes
into Arizona. So this is one of my games I
really liked. I liked Arizona a lot. I thought you
talk about a good spot for the Bears rams off
an emotional game beat up. I thought this was a
great spot for Arizona. One of the two things that
jump out to me is how not only accurate twenty

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six of thirty eight rushes seven yards of play for
Jaden Daniels, how effortlessly accurate he is moving left, moving right.
It's some guys, it's a strength. Like Sam Darnold. I
always feel like has to kind of have his feet
set to throw the ball accurately. Yeah, Jaden Daniels, it's
just Washington. On run plays, on screenplays, it feels there's

(25:10):
so much space. I feel like it's easier. Jayden Daniels
is it's just easy looking to.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Me, Colin. He has in the last six days they
played on Monday night, attempted fifty three passes and he's
completed forty seven of them. And did they punt today?
They might not have. They scored forty two points. They
definitely didn't put on Monday night. I mean your offense,
they didn't punt the week before. It's impossible to be

(25:37):
any less efficient. Well, when you're literally completing every pass
and they're running for they ran first almost six yards
of carry. Their run game fundamentally like what I grew
up around football. Pat Hill. Andy Reid's a little more
physical than Cliff Kingsbury, but he has mastered what he does,

(25:58):
that shotgun run, and it's working right now for them,
and clearly as quarterback is comfortable in that, and their
offense has got to be one of the more fun
units in the league to watch. But when you're completing
at that accuracy, like Caleb still has passes where you're like, god, yeah,
it's a little off.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
So is Jordan Love.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah, but what's his name for the Broncos? Now, granted
it was a torrential downpour, balls flying all over the place,
Bo Nicks. This guy, this this looks like twenty fifteen
Aaron Rodgers or something right now. I mean just hitting
guys in stride on every pass, short wheel routes, intermediate routes,
deep routes, two point conversions where there's this field is

(26:40):
way wider than it is long, so you got to
be precise it is. I mean, he would be we
got a long way to go. But the odds, you know,
Caleb was like plus one fifty to win Rookie of
the Year. This guy was like five to one. I mean,
he's he's got a lot of momentum right now. If
he keeps this up. I mean, look at the division,
Cowboys and shambles, bunch of injuries. Eagles look like trash.

(27:02):
We know the Giants aren't going to win many games.
Maybe you were right, maybe this is a playoff team,
not even a playoff team. I mean, could they win
the division? Long way to go?

Speaker 1 (27:11):
They were my surprise. This is my surprise team in
the NFL was Washington. I didn't look very smart after
they got trounced by Tampa, but it looks good now.
So it's really I was talking to Steve Kim. I
had dinner with him the other night, and you know,
people forget Kime two time executive year. He had a
really tough owner to deal with, and Kyler was very difficult.

(27:32):
Kyler just doesn't watch enough film, and it's been an issue.
I've supported him, it's an issue. But I was talking
to him about Cliff and he said, listen, he said,
Cliff now has tried head coaching twice. It hasn't worked.
He says, but when you sit down with him and
interview him, the reason he got head coaching jobs. He's
a really a brilliant guy. He's just not he's he's

(27:53):
not a disciplinarian. Things got a little loose, right, like
like it would get loose. But Kime told me when
he went to Washington, he goes that jad and Daniels
kid could not literally get a better guy. First of all,
he's not a yellowness screamer. He's a teacher. He's fun.
He likes to make it fun. He gives you, he

(28:13):
watches what you do, manufactures and offense based solely on
what you do. And because Jaden moved, Cliff was banging
on the table for this guy. He's like, guys, I
don't want to hear about J. J. McCarthy. This is
the guy. This is the guy. So he went all
in on this. Adam Peters, the new GM, dan Quinn,
they listened to Cliff. Cliff was like, this is it,
and it's just this is very true. Brian Flores is

(28:36):
the best defensive coordinator in football. His personality got in
the way of his coaching as a head coach. Cliff's
personality the opposite of Flora's. It's not intense, he doesn't bark,
he doesn't discipline. Cliff's the opposite. So Flores in Kingsbury
are the antithesis of each other. But in both instances,
one guy is too intense or was, and one guy

(28:57):
doesn't want to manage and discipline and you.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Have to do some of it.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yeah, but Flores and Kingsbury are a plus plus plus
at what they do, and that we see this all
over the world. Some guys are just salesmen. Some guys
can be the president but couldn't sell anything. It's just
the way the world works. When I watch that offense today,
it's crazy. I don't remember seeing an offense. They're not

(29:21):
fooling people. What they're basically doing is they're getting They're
winning the math game. They just looked like, I mean,
these runs, John, these running backs aren't having to create
anything off contact. They're getting four and five yard runs
before anybody initiates contact. It just it just looks so easy.
Maybe I'm waiting for them to struggle and get into

(29:43):
a fistfight, but it's like they just it's just up
down seven on seven.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
I've been saying this for a long time. The best
part about the NFL. In most industries, you know, people
fight and claw in the private sector in different corporations
to try to at the head of the table because
it's so much more lucrative than a lot of different
management spots. But in football, the number two spot, whether
you're the offensive or defensive coordinator, especially on a team

(30:12):
where the head coach is the opposite, pays you like
two to five million dollars and you have no responsibility
when someone gets injured, when someone gets DUI, when who
knows what happens, which we've all followed the NFL long enough.
Literally everything happens. Ain't year problem. You're still getting paid
three million dollars and it's got to be one of

(30:34):
the best jobs in It's still you spend a lot
of time. It's a lot of work, but in terms
of the amount of money you're getting paid in the
when you're great like Flores or Kingsbury, whoever the best
coordinate Steve Spagnola, and none of the responsibilities on you
and you Basically in those guys individual spots, they kind
of get to be the head coach of their group. Right.

(30:55):
Kevin O'Connell's not telling Flores what to do. Dan Quinn's
not telling Kingsbury what incredible gig now there is. I
understand there's a big difference between three million dollars and
fourteen million dollars or ten million dollars. But some of
these guys, especially once they've tried it, like you could
do this for a long period of time and just
become a legend doing this. Like where is Cliff I

(31:16):
would imagine maybe not the NFL, but like over the
next couple of years, colleges are gonna call him again,
right Yeah, And they pay a lot. I think forty
guys make over four million dollars. I mean, you make
a lot of money and you don't have to answer
to anybody. Hard to get a better gig than that
that he's got going right now right in why And
I'd say same thing for Flores. I do think Flores
is gonna battle. You know, like you said, did you

(31:38):
see the viral clip of Kyle lightening into Brandon Ayuk
for wearing the wrong shorts? It came out. It came
out on Friday, Brandon, and you came to practice with
the wrong shorts, you know, in the regular season only,
like the press is only allowed there out there for
fifteen minutes, so it's the only time they were out there,
and Kyle went up to him and lit him up.
I mean it was kind of embarrassing. For Ayuk, like

(31:59):
there's a dress code. He has the different shorts than
literally the entire team, and that's type stuff. You know.
Some coaches, like one thing I heard about Cliff is like, oh,
just let that fly, let that go, and you can't
like that ain't flying. And Kyle's not you know, Belichick here.
But it's hard being like that's on you as a
head coach. Little things like the wrong socks, right, And

(32:21):
I think Flora is dealing with the quarterback because that
is kind of like the heartbeat of the organization is
not really going to be anything. He's gonna be able
to answer as a coordinator. But eventually, if you're that good,
you know someone's gonna give him another because he's he's
not good. I mean right now, he's elite. Like you said, yes,
defense more than offense too. It's usually about like you

(32:42):
got to have the Jimmy's and the Joe's and who
do they got? Harrison Smith's like my age, I mean,
who who what are they? John Randall's not on the
defensive line. What are they going out there? In Minnesota?
So it's yeah, those two guys right now, you're talking
coordinators of the year through four weeks. I mean it's
Brian Floras and Cliff Kingsbury kicking everybody's ass well.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
And also, I mean the Cowboys have a coach in
the hot seat, the Eagles have a coach in the
hot seat, the Giants have a coach in the hot seat.
The building in Washington right now is joyful. They're winning,
they're young, they're ahead of schedule, and I think over
the course of a long season going to work happy
being on a winning show, being on a winning team
in that division, there is a lot of intensity week

(33:23):
to week. There is a sh you know what ton
of pressure on McCarthy, Sirianni Dable. That Washington building right
now is like, how good. That's one of the best
flights the Washington football team has flown in a decade.
Arizona to DC five hours that flight that sas big.

(33:43):
I mean, if you're a Commanders fan, that you haven't
seen that kind of competency forever.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Yeah. I mean RG three, before he got injured, was
really a special talent run around. Yeah, but he wasn't
picking you apart in the pocket like this guy was,
So you know, obviously his running was extremely special and
his arm strength was good Jayden has both those, but
the ability to just sit there like he's I don't know,

(34:12):
like a Mahomes or Herbert and make these throws from
within the pocket. And like you said, Philadelphia, that that
place you can only have and maybe who knows, maybe
Tampa and Jason Lyt and Todd Bowles just a great
matchup against the Eagles. I mean they've kicked their ass
twice in the last whatever six games, right the playoff
game and in this one. But you don't get too
many of those when you come into the season with

(34:32):
the pressure spending all this money and that thing, that
thing was on, and it was on. It was twenty
one to nothing before you even blinked time.

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(35:04):
of the NFL. Order Now so it's Tampa thirty three,
Philadelphia sixteen Eagles looked unprepared. You know, I was thinking
about this time of possession thirty six minutes to twenty three.
I mean, it wasn't close. And Philadelphia is the kind

(35:27):
of team because of their offensive line prowess through the years.
They do that to teams where they just play keep away.
You know, Jalen Hurts may not get your touchdowns all
the time in the red zone, but they dominate time
of possession. They usually are that kind of team. Detroit
can do that now with their offensive line for them
to get dominated. I was sitting and watching that game
and I thought, so, they're not dominating time possession. They're

(35:48):
not tackling well. Hurts is eighteen for thirty. They were
outgained by I wrote it down here at one point
two and twenty yards. I don't know where it finished,
but it was close to that. They don't do anything
well right now. Saquon Barkley a great player, and you
can't use injuries anymore. Like, there's no question Philadelphia. The
Chargers they're beat up. I mean the Rams they're beat up.

(36:08):
It happens, but I can still see things the Rams
do or teams that are beat up do, and I'm like, oh,
that's that's good football. I don't know what Philadelphia does well.
And again I thought this.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
You know.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
Tampa has been mowed over the previous two weeks, so
we know they're a vulnerable team. We don't think they're
playing like the Vikings. Do you think there's any chance
I can't point to anything they do well like Eberflus.
Their defense is pretty damn feisty. He's a defensive coach.
Do you think there's any chance Nick gets run in season?

Speaker 2 (36:46):
I think the Eagles are very hesitant to do that.
I mean, who would they have to bump up He's
you know, they're coordinators, like they just want those guys
to coordinate and Nick. I don't really know what Nick's
doing beside giving the thumbs up to go four on
four down. I mean, we know about his rocky relationship
with the quarterback. Think about the game. We just watched
Herbert and Mahomes, who both make an astronomical amount of money,

(37:08):
who have injuries all over the place. Mahomes lose, Mahomes
literally takes out his best receiver, probably blows out his knee.
You know, Herbert's out back there running for his life.
But when you watch him you go, these are two
special players, right right. You watch Jalen and you watch
him when he's off, and you go, this is it's
hard to function. That game wouldn't have been as close

(37:29):
as it was, Colin, if Saquon hadn't busted like this
sixty yard run that led him to a touchdown, that
was looking like it's going to be like forty to ten,
and Saquon just busted a huge run and they scored
a touchdown. But that game wasn't remotely close. And when
it's off for Jalen, like you said, injuries, literally the
whole league's Herbert right now. Yeah, so it's like you
still got Dallas Goddard, pro bowler, he still got pro

(37:51):
ballers on your offensive line, you got Saquon Barkley, you
got more than functional wide receivers with I don't think
Tampa's exactly got Dion Sanders Dereaux reeves back there right now,
and you just watch him. He gets down and you go,
I don't see it. I don't see it. Like I'm
watching perty today and I'm watching Jalen Hurts and I go,
I don't even think it's close. Just a guy that

(38:13):
calm can make throws, and you watch Jalen and he
kind of feels like the guy that you saw at
Oklahoma that everyone thought like, is this an NFL quarterback? Now,
clearly he's better than that. But once I give him
two hundred million dollars, the expectations quadruples, and you watch
him and you go, well, I'm watching Baker and I'm
watching this guy. It ain't even close. Who's got the

(38:33):
better quarterback?

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Well, I also think here's the reality most quarterbacks. Jaden
Daniels is getting really really good coaching. Stam Darnold is
not good enough to be really good unless he has
an elite coach. I think we can have this opinion
on Jalen Hurts. He's simply not talented enough to excel

(38:57):
without elite coaching because when he had it, he was good.
Darnald has it, and he's good.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Now.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
There are guys in this league. You know, Brady worked
with Charlie Weiss. He can work with Josh McDaniels. He
worked with Bruce Arians, he worked with Todd Bowles. Those
are a handful of Manning won trophies with, you know,
four different coaches. But there are players in this league
that have talent, but they need a special boss. And

(39:21):
I think Jalen to me, I've gone from thinking he's
special too, I'm thinking he's potentially special with an elite
Shane Steichen. And I think I feel the same way
about Darnald, Like if you gave him Sam a bad
coach Tom in sixty games from now, it wouldn't look
this good. Like how about this. Jalen's closer to Sam
Darnold in that he needs absolutely two or three things

(39:45):
for it to work. He's talented, but he's not talented
enough to overcome mediocre coaching.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
I think Kellen Moore is a good coach now. He
was a pocket quarterback. He was around Dak for a
long time, who essentially is a pocket quarter and last
year he worked with Herbert in a pretty chaotic situation
with brand Staley. I do think it's tough to overcome
just this weird Sirianni situation, Like they basically tell him

(40:12):
like stay out of the way, but on game day
he's still in charge. You ultimately work for him if
you're one of these coordinators, but you kind of don't
because what's he really telling you to do, especially if
you're Fangio and I think the Eagles tried to pass.
I mean, I think they thought long and hard last year,
clearly after they got just molly wopped in that wild
card game against Tampa about firing him and just hiring Belichick.

(40:36):
I think that was a long and hard decision. And
a lot of times when you make a long and
hard decision, I think you could say this about a
personal relationship if you're like anything, a break up with
her six months later, like I probably should have done
it back then, firing somebody, you know, I think it's
the same. And I think you're kind of seeing you're
always gonna have injuries. But this Sirianni thing is, can

(40:56):
you imagine the discussion tomorrow just in Philadelphia, and like
these players, the coaches, Howie that they all hear it.
It's like no one's like putting their ear muffs on
what's going around. It's one of the last cities in
America or radio's massive, The local television shows do huge numbers.
The Eagles are their Yankees, and you lose it's football

(41:20):
that they got bludgeoned by a team that literally just
knocked them out of their playoffs and ruined their season,
and you might have to see again in the playoffs.
And that's just And I think it gets back to also,
Sirianni and the conversation is going to start coming up
more as a quarterback good enough? You know, was that
year two years ago? Perfect situation, perfect boss, perfect coordinator

(41:43):
gonna be an outlier year? Cam Newton had one, right,
the MVP year, Matt Ryan had one, Kyle Shanahan. It
happens to players. Perfect situation, confidence is high, great coordinator, whatever,
and you look back at the course of their career
and you go, yeah, he ended up making two hundred
and fifty million dollars, but how many great seasons does
he have now? Matt Ryan and Cam Newton I think

(42:03):
are better players than Jalen Hurts. I mean, there's a
reason one guy went one the other guy went three,
like Jalen was the second round pick that most people thought,
like was that a little rich? I thought that, And listen,
I've been wrong. I thought he was a running back
and I didn't think he threw the ball well enough.
And he still doesn't throw It's weird. He throws a
good deep ball, but he can't. Like you watch Herbert today,

(42:25):
doesn't matter where his feet are. That thing is he
could throw a rocket anywhere on the field all angles
soak In Mahomes, Jalen simply can't yea if his feet
aren't set at the pocket, the ball like flies, It flutters,
just it's not a pretty ball. Colin.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
Yeah, and I think there is a reality. Philadelphia is
an organization. It's the only organization in the league, the
Eagles that fire a lot of coaches and move off quarterbacks.
But I don't think it's chaotic. Maybe it's because they
have good ownership and Howie Rose when a good GM.
You know, Carolina mose through co but Philadelphia does too.
But they were right on Carson Wentz. I think I

(43:06):
think Jalen's better in the locker room maybe than Carson
Wentz was.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
So you ste guy.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Yeah, yeah, and I think he's a really good kid.
But I but I think we have to be honest
about this. Playing quarterback is hard. He's smaller than you'd like,
he gets banged up a little more than you'd like,
and he's generally had above average players around him, and
the Eagles O line for most of his career has
been top five in the league. When aj and DeVante
are healthy. They're outstanding, and the tight ends in Philly

(43:34):
for they just they're always good. Now he's got Saquon,
so you have a very loud city, good well owned,
smartly run I'm gonna be less patient. All you can't
always have. Let's be honest. If you get a great coordinator.
Stikin was going to get a job. Tom Telesco when
he ran the Chargers told me because Herbert had Stike

(43:55):
in his first year. He's like, we're not going to
be able to keep this guys. Guy's way too. It's
the same with a kid in Houston, Ben Johnson. They
thought they lost, but he exit stage right on the plane,
got off, it came back. So the truth is you
can't have a quarterback in pam a fortune if everything's
right now. Is Josh Allen better with Brady than Dorsey,

(44:19):
but he's still wildly productive when he didn't have the
right guy. And so you get to a point with
Philadelphia's history is John they're not patient. You shouldn't have
to have a quarterback. It shouldn't have to be perfect
for it to be good. Jesus Rashi Rice out for
the Chargers. Their online this year is not very good.
Last year they had horrible receivers. No, not everybody as Mahomes.

(44:41):
But my take is with Jalen Hurts, is this a
guy where everything has to be right, because when healthy,
it's almost all right.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
Yeah. I think also, while the Eagles run through a
lot of people, they had two stalwarts on their team
that were the best two players on each side of
the ball in Jason Kelsey, who's a first bout Hall
of Famer, in Fletcher Cox, who's probably a Hall of Famer.
Those guys were drafted by Andy Reid. I was working
for the Eagles when both the guys got there. So
it's like, you lose those two guys they both retire

(45:11):
this offseason. It kind of all falls on the shoulders
now of Jalen, you know, and the Sirianni thing. So
it's like I'm four moving on. Like, if you're not
good enough, you're not good enough. There's a bottom line business.
I also think though, you know, the Carson Wentz was
right at the tipping point when contracts were big, and
now they're like historically massive. It does get a little

(45:33):
more difficult with dead cap and signing bonuses, like to
just cut it off after a year or two. You know,
like this guy's getting another coach, like when sirianni Let's
gets fired at the end of the year, which I
think we'd all bet on right now because this team's
not going to go to the super Bowl, Like, Jalen's
getting another year and it'll be very fascinating. Also, like

(45:56):
how interested are people to work with them? Because it's
it's kind of complicated, right, He's not just a plug
and play guy. It's not like Lamar's not either, but
everyone would have no problem doing that. You know, Jalen's
like he's fast, but he's not running by everybody. He's
got a good arm, but he's a little inaccurate at times,
not that confident as a thrower. So it's you know,

(46:18):
is that Belichick and Josh McDaniel's written all over you?
I don't know. But where else is he going? I mean,
I'm looking at Trevor Lawrence barely throwing for one hundred
and fifty yards, Doug Peterson's owing four. He's gonna get
ran out of town. These gave that guy two hundred
million dollars. I mean, yeah, is that just a plug
and play job? I don't know what this is.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
Let me ask you. Albert Breer told me Friday, keep
your eye on Jacksonville with Belichick. So if you were
Belichick and you could have Trevor Lawrence and a very
rich owner, or Jalen Hurts a loud city on aggressive media,
because I mean Jacksonville's like a small college town. I

(46:54):
mean the media is pretty toothless. You get Trevor Lawrence.
His contract's not outrageous, you know, right yet. I mean
it's big, but it's not outrageous. The ceiling's low. There's
not a ton of pressure. I mean, let's be honest. Jacksonville.
You know, they're occasionally interesting.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
But there is no pressure there.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Yeah, or massive pressure. A smaller quarterback, turnover prone, probably
not as gift. The Jalen Hurts your Belichick both offer,
which do you take?

Speaker 2 (47:21):
I choose the Eagles in a heartbeat, Like I mean,
I'm used to that. If I'm Belichick, I was in
Boston for twenty five years. I can handle the bullets
flying at me. I go to an organization that has
proven they know what they're doing. You know the thing
with Jacksonville, Okay, in a year, we'll move off Jalen.
They still have a lot of other impact high end.
They had a left tackle, they got multiple wide receivers,

(47:42):
they got Saque under contract, they got young players on
defense that I like that I could use easily. You
look at Jacksonville. Everyone goes there and loses. Everybody, Yeah,
every single person and the cons everyone seems to like
them in the media. I don't know him personally, but
everyone goes there and fails and fails hard, and like
sometimes we have to admit, like Trevor Lawrence got up

(48:05):
more than Jalen Hurts. I mean they gave him two
hundred million dollars guaranteed in that contract. Like Jalen's is
starting to kick in, Like this thing kicks in like
after this year. Right, if you're Trevor Lawrence, he just
might not be very good Colin. I mean, it just
might be that simple. We've seen infinitely more at a
Jalen Hurts than we have at Trevor Lawrence at this time.
I would choose Philadelphia in a heartbeat, because one the

(48:30):
owner has a history of like, I'll do whatever it takes.
What do you need, coordinators, help you want me to
rip down a building, build you a new one for
a facility for the players, he'll do anything where it's
like I also think if your Bill you kind of
like the bright lights, you know, your Bill freaking Belichick,
Vince Lombardi, you know this is this go to Jacksonville

(48:52):
like one. I'm not saying he would choose that, but
I would hope if it came down to those two,
he would choose Philadeli.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
All Right, it wasn't pretty and the weather was less
than ideal. We talked about good spots and bad spots
for young quarterbacks. I did not think this was a
good spot for bow Knicks. Denver beats the Jets ten
to nine. My take, I have two takeaways on this game.
First of all, I thought it was a great spot

(49:24):
for the Jets star quarterback, extra time to prepare against
rookie quarterback back to back road games. Instead, Denver brought
enormous pressure. Aaron Rodgers got banged all day fifteen times,
multiple sacks, hits. They could not protect him. They had

(49:47):
I think five either delay of games or offensive penalties
at the line of scrimmage. I thought the Jets looked
out of sync. Aaron had no time. Aaron took a
beating today, and that's the second game in a Row
Denver's defense. Denver's defense, you know they drafted a couple

(50:08):
of guys on that side. It's it's playing really well.
I think it's playing over its head. But the bigger,
my bigger takeaway was undisciplined penalties on the Jets. Maybe
it's an outlier. Aaron got crushed. They couldn't protect him,
and that's not an elite defense in the eyes. We're
not talking Kansas City, even Buffalo Baltimore. And by the way,

(50:30):
Jets have Minnesota next in London. So this was like,
get the layups. This was a layup, extra prep time.
Lose to Denver. This is where Aaron kind of called
Saula out after the game on some of his stuff.
Does it go sideways or do you just say bad
weather game?

Speaker 2 (50:50):
It happens to me when I'm watching the first half.
I went, you know, headed on one of my screens,
Like the box score means nothing in this game, Right,
You get a game, it's gonna be weird. You just
win it and move on. Bo Nicks threw for sixty yards.
Sixty yards. You cannot lose a game at home. I
don't care what the weather is. When the opposing quarterback

(51:11):
who's a rookie making his four start throws for sixty
yards and they score ten points if you lose, like
you can't get to twelve or fifteen. And this just
gets back and even Aaron says after the game, like, yeah,
the weather was bad in the first half, but I
was making bad throws. He's running for his life. Yeah,
I mean there are several times we were like, Aaron,
you better get ot a bounce and he's running as
hard as he can to get because they're coming for him.

(51:33):
And you know, this gets back to what a Denver half.
They have one of, if not the best corner in
the league, and where they put that guy on their
best wire receiver, so it was harder for them to operate.
And some of these other guys they are not exactly
rolling out. This is not Green Bay. They're not going
three deep at that position. They're so dependent on him
and when he couldn't and it was gonna be hard,

(51:53):
especially in the first half it was just torrential downpour.
Its hard. You have to win that game. But you
know what, Colin do They Their head coach is Robert Sala, who,
now let's just look at his history. Nice guy, not
winning a lot of games, and we just don't trust
their coaching staff. So it's like, vance, Joseph's come a
long way from last year around this time and give
it up seventy points. This year's doing a really good

(52:15):
job because, like you said that, they're not exactly rolling
out Pro bowlers everywhere on defense. But who are you
taking just in a game, bad weather, game, weird situation,
Sean Payton, Robert Sala even if you don't know the quarterbacks,
you're taking Sean Payton every day of the week. And
that was a type game where it's like, well, I
thought the Jets are supposed to be gritty and tough.
It's like, okay, you're playing the Patriots, and listen, you

(52:37):
and I and anyone that watch gave Aaron a lot
of credit. Looked really good. I watched the Patriots play
the forty nine ers a day and the Niners treated
a thing like a practice in one by twenty. I
mean things, they're a joke. They're not any good. So okay,
you get it's the NFL. You want to win, But like,
did we put too much stock in that game? Because
I'm watching today it's like, well, where's your grittiness and toughness.
This is a type game where your defense gets a

(52:59):
couple of touch downs. Weird game, but you win seventeen
to ten, but you score nine points nine points like
that's just and it comes down to a field goal
on a bad weather game that the dude missed.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
So let's be honest about this. So the Jets offense,
outside of a couple plays, was abysmal against the Niners,
it struggled against Tennessee, and it was pretty awful today.
So we have to be totally honest. It's looked they
have looked good. The Jets have looked good on a

(53:32):
short week game against Jacoby Brissett and a rookie head
coach at home against the Patriots. That's when the Jets
looked good. They didn't look good against Tennessee. They won,
they got boat raced by San Francisco. They looked awful today.
To me, this team has had one really good game
against As we watched the Niners hammer New England, the

(53:54):
worst team in the league, I think we're over. If
the Jets played in Indianapolis, US, you know, I think
we don't like their head coach. We know the coordinator
is suboptimal. The offensive line today got worked by a
hyper aggressive defensive front without a pro bowler. I mean,

(54:16):
I just I mean Denver was beat up. I think
in the linebacking corps. I mean I watched that game
and I'm like, Okay, don't be too harsh, but you
that is not extra prep and that was the offense.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Well, Colin, I understand they're stacking the line of scrimmage,
but in a game like that, how is Rogers thrown
it forty two times a game they only ran twenty
three times. Like, that's a game where any good coordinator
to me, is running it thirty five times. It would
be one thing if you're down seventeen to nothing. They
were up after a halftime six to nothing, so it's

(54:50):
the game. And then they score at seven to six.
Like that's a game where you're running it NonStop. But
Aaron gets to play call, Like does he listen to
everything that Taniel hacking? I don't blame him because in
Aaron's mind, I know more football. I'm smarter than this guy,
and the only reason he's there is because of him.
It's a very weird dynamic. The whole thing. It's like,
it doesn't feels like Aaron's the superior. But he's there

(55:11):
because Aaron wanted him. But it's just I just don't
see how you're rushing for twenty like twenty three attempts.
Like to me, that number has to be well over
thirty in a game like that. It's not to be
one thing if he's averaging ten yards to say, hey,
they're still being explosive in the weather, They're not. I
mean he was dinking and dunking even when he was
completing balls partly couldn't even grip the ball. And every

(55:31):
time he went back there, like you said, by the
end of the game, like he just hurt his knee.
You know, he's kind of getting up because he's getting paid.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
Oh no, no, he Aaron took a beating. I'll give him credit.
Aaron was not short on passion or.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
He was into it. No, for sure. So many pass
plays like just make it easier on the guy. Don't
they go too deep at running back? I mean this
the backup. The kid from Wisconsin, the twenty one year
old is like two hundred and forty pounds. He Raylen
Allen had eight carries a day, Like, how does he
not get fifteen in that game, in that weather. You

(56:05):
and I have lived in the Northeast on a day
like that. It's brutal. It's brutal. There's no football going on,
let alone slippery. Right, It's that turf in New York
that everyone hates. You're asking Aaron to drop back a lot.
That's a brutal loss. I mean, that is a brutal loss.
Even if Denver turns out to be solid, like you,
you're going on the road to Minnesota. I think in

(56:27):
a in a week they play Pittsburgh. I mean their schedule.
I remember looking at it like it's kind of yeah.
I mean as they could get. We just do not
trust their coaching staff and the NFL. You know, in
college you see it all the time, like even when
the game plans bad, if you got better players, like
you got no shot, like USC, Like they've got way
better players in Wisconsin. So even if they're off, like

(56:48):
who cares? The NFL is just not like that, Like
unless you're the seven Patch or some of these teams
that are so dramatically talented than the opponent, Like what
the hell's the big difference for in New York Jets
and Denver Broncos maybe they're better if you just put
them on a neutral field and beautiful weather, but that's
not football and that's not the NFL. So you get

(57:09):
this spot. It's like, well, Vance Joseph and Sean Payton
for the last second half of last year and so
far this year like kind of feel like they know
what they're doing. And Robert Sala and Thatt Hackett, now
we got pretty long evidence that given their spots, like
Sala as a defensive coordinator, as a head coach, it
just hasn't been great. And it's like this excuse, this excuse,
that excuse, Like eventually you either win or you don't.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
Yeah, when Sala left, didn't Demiko Ryans take the job
and he was better? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So usually,
if you're a good coordinator and you take a job,
you are not replaced by somebody that is viewed as better.
Right now, when Demiko left, it was Steve Wilkes that
wasn't better. So generally, if you're a hot shot coordinator

(57:53):
and get a job, you don't upgrade. And I got
nothing against Sla, but I know enough people inside the
Niners organization. They looked at Demi Eco as a superstar.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
But just look at you know, in fairness to Sola,
like Dimiko is a superstar, but look at him. He's
better in solid defensive coordinator, becomes a head coach immediately,
just good last year, makes the playoffs, gonna cruise the
playoffs again, Like he just knows what he's doing. And
I think it's just one of those jobs either kind
of got it or you don't. And we know fast

(58:23):
and you feel it when a guy walks into the room,
like I've been around Andy Reid Harbaugh. You just know it.
And Demiko was that guy's a player. When I was
with the Eagles, we traded for Demiko, like he just
we traded his play. He'd torn his achilles. He wasn't
same player, but we valued his intangibles as smarts and
it's translated. The guy went from like graduate assistant or
quality control to the defensive coordinator in like three years.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
I mean, it's unheard of it.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
This guy made millions. So it's like, why are you
even coaching Dimiko? It's because I was born to do this,
and clearly it was Robert Solo. It's just nice guy.
I think he's a good defensive coordinator, but this whole
situation just a lot like the Eagles with Siriani. It
just can get weird, and it can get weird fast,
and partly because their markets.

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Speaker 2 (59:12):
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the fourteenth biggest city in the country. It plays like
it's eightieth. It's just quiet, like the media is like
your friend. Nobody's really you know, there's nobody with real
teeth in Philadelphia. Everybody's got teeth. In New York, you know,
you've got still four active newspapers. You know, newspapers are
dying New York. They're still around the batting case at

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Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
All right, let's go to Kansas City seventeen, Chargers ten. Yeah.
I was thinking about this, you know, because when the
game was starting, Jim Nance and Romo were talking about
the injuries and you know, Dermy and James Slater Bosa
and they were talking about some of the injuries. It's
a lot of guys that get hurt all the time.
And they got off to a seven nothing lead. Herbert

(01:01:32):
to that that Lloyd Maconutee the kid, Oh god, that
back of the end zone touchdown throw is just it
just that illustrates how hard it is to be a
successful quarterback. Chargers had three sacks Surtay, they'd lead seven nothing.
You felt like Herbert was limping, but it was working,

(01:01:52):
and you're and you're like, oh, Chargers aren't little bit
of a hole. But watching my two thoughts were the
same Charger players and a couple of Marody Expensive, the
same guys are getting hurt all the time. Keenan Allen,
Mike Williams, Harwall got rid of them. They just weren't healthy.
I kind of think they're going to move off Bosa

(01:02:13):
eventually and Derwin James. They're just hurt all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Khalil Mack's been really good for them. I mean, he
looks fantastic, doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
He he Yep. And they've got a couple of pass
rushers out there that they they've drafted. Well, they've got
some players, But when your same guys are getting hurt,
even if they're high profile, I think year two for Harball,
maybe at the trade deadline he may move off some
more guys. He wants dependability. But as I watched Kansas
City and again, Herbert's running first life because they have

(01:02:44):
backups starting on all over the offensive line. I feel
like every Kansas City game now looks the same. Everyone
is that you know they'll they'll fall in a hole,
or you'll watch them early and you're thinking, this isn't
the Sunday They just they're they're just not and then
Rashee Rice gets hurt very early, and I'm like they're

(01:03:05):
on the road they're out of sync. Chargers had multiple
sacks and then they just and I think so much
of this is Andy Reid inspects they just slowed the
game down. They're really good at killing momentum. Mahomes had
a couple of big runs. He had a couple of
beautiful passes. Kelsey was more visible today and available. Obviously,

(01:03:26):
with Rastee Rice out, Travis Kelcey becomes more available. But
there is something about Kansas City is that we tend
to love flash like Darnold's numbers, and I like Kansas City.
But I ask you, if they played Minnesota tomorrow, I
would take Kansas City. What are we supposed to make
of this team that isn't pretty? Every single game is close.

(01:03:50):
It doesn't matter who the opponent is. They don't start
necessarily well, they always end great. Do you worry at
all that Kansas City is sort of following in this
it's kind of a fulfilling prophecy. It's they're just winning
the same way and they're not playing particularly well for
long periods of time.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Yeah. I feel like Spags Nandy are just like you know,
you fill up refrigerator and they're making meal after meal
and every time they're using different ingredients. You're like, how
are you doing this? Eventually, if you don't go to
the store, you're gonna run out stuff to make food with.
And today after Mahomes, he threw a pretty bad pick
early in the game Eric Carol Kelsey and then he
hit He didn't mean to, but Rashi Rice is their

(01:04:31):
best receiver and he kind of ended up hitting him
like he's John Lynch because he was trying to make
a tackle, might have blown out his knee. Like that's
so you let's just hypothetically say he's gone for a
long period of time or the season. That's pretty devastating.
They were playing with Kareem Hunt. This is not twenty eighteen.
He's back on the team because they're starting running back

(01:04:52):
just broke his leg and the other kid from Missouri,
his own family threw a wedding last Sunday because they
didn't even think the guy was gonna be an NFL player.
So I just I don't know, like, it's remarkable what
they're doing, and they've been playing like this basically for
two and a half years now. He does feel eventually,
like I love these guys and they are It's truly

(01:05:15):
one of the great runs of my lifetime any sport.
What they're rattling off now these over this five years,
but specifically these two years. I don't know how you
can maintain this. Eventually, you're gonna obviously they're gonna lose
some games this year, but like they're margin foreir in
a playoff game, it's just very, very difficult for them
to score. And Mahomes cannot and you saw Andy get

(01:05:35):
kind of mad ely you cannot turn the ball over,
you know, And I think Andy felt right away like
this Charger team came to play this Jim Harbaugh, They're ready,
like this could be fifteen to thirteen final score, and
he airmails it and steal fumbles and it's like you
could tell Andy was pissed because this has to be
a flawless We hold onto the ball, even if we're
gonna score fourteen points total, Okay, we'll win at fourteen

(01:05:58):
to ten. We can't hate them. The ball at their
own thirty yard line. And I think if the two
tackles are there, Chiefs easily could have lost today. I mean,
they are holding on. It's it's competitive character, the toughness,
it's it's what you get out of like some of
those late nineties Bulls teams, some of those Curry Clay

(01:06:20):
Draymond teams. Like it's only they're the only team in
the league that has this in the back to keep
doing this, like eventually just drop a game. Whatever. They
just they refuse to lose. They got nothing. I mean,
they're best receivers carted off the field five minutes into
the game. They're riding Kareem Hunt. Well, I'm pretty sure
it wasn't even in the league like three weeks ago,
but they had no choice because the other guy broke

(01:06:41):
his leg. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
No, as I watched that game, they got I mean, listen,
they got they got an injury break. The Chargers are
missing tackles, Abosa, Derwin j They were missing their best
athletes defensively, and you know it's the NFL. You have
to make up for that. But I as I watched them,
you know they're going.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
It's a tough it's a tough opponent for that because
their defense, Chris Jones and Spags, they just kept on
any long third and long, they would just put ninety
five over one of the tackles, even though he's a
defensive tackle. So it's like, yeah, I just become a
defensive They wouldn't do that with Alton Slater in the game,
that's right. So it was a total mismatch. You're just
you just kind of screwed.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
And I think what they do with Chris Jones. There's
no rigidity with the Chiefs. Like you know, the saying
I use all the time at the volume to everybody
is don't worry about being right, get it right, don't
get stubborn on stuff. It's a fluid business. Change The Chiefs,
like you said, they go into the cupboard and whatever
is available they use. Like they're not a rigid franchise, which,

(01:07:42):
by the way, New England became in their dominance. I mean,
Belichick basically took over the drafts. Belichick only wanted to
coach players he liked to coach. They got very rigid.
They started buying into their own stuff. And by the way,
Greg Popovich, you know I'm not going to deal with Kawhi,
well you probably should. He's great. The danger of the danger.

(01:08:04):
One of the things I always respect about Saban. He
just kept hiring great coaches. He went from a defensive
culture to a quarterback wide receiver culture. Saban was just like,
whatever wins wins. And I always said that that's really
different with Saban. He doesn't have Belichick's ego. He was
willing to just pivot off guys, move into guys. I mean,
good God, in the middle of a national championship, gave
me changes quarterbacks. Saban was whatever wins works. I feel

(01:08:28):
with Andy Reid, I get that, I get I don't
feel like there's this definitive sort of moral standard, this saying,
you know, just do your job. Kansas City doesn't have
one of those. They don't have to do your job right,
they don't have one. Well, they just they do what

(01:08:48):
they have to do in this series to score.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
Yeah, I think Andy what makes him pretty special is
every guy knows you got to do your job because
he will cut your trade you. But he doesn't talk
like that. I mean, this is a California kid at
his core. He wore sandals, right, You see Nick? When
do you ever see Nick Saban? Not? I mean most
of the time in a suit, but if not in
a suit, slacks, in a polo. You see Andy's in

(01:09:13):
rainbow sandals. You know he's he vacations, you know he's
a beach guy. La so I think that's kind of
his core and his personality. But he has high standards
and I think that's set by their core leaders in Mahomes,
Jones and Kelsey. Now I do think they benefit. Is
a league watered downs the wrong way, but it's definitely
not as top heavy because the Bills and Ravens play tonight. Well,

(01:09:37):
Chiefs been beating them for years right in big games,
so it's not like Mahomes Nandy would be intimidated in
those spots. But who else are they really worried about? Right?
The Steelers? No? Well, I think you think Justin Fields
is beating them, It have to be Buffalo and lamar
In that in a game to beat the Chiefs would

(01:09:58):
have to be awesome thrown the ball because they are
not going to let him run around. They just are. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
I think that's why Buffalo this year is interesting because
they have a legitimate running game and they're much less
Josh Allen reliant. They have two excellent tight ends and
excellent running back and so I feel like.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
Houston would be the wild card too. I would say that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
I don't trust Houston not. I think when Joe Mixon's healthy,
they're tough they're a tough out. I think as good
as C. J. Stroud is. We saw it with KAYLEB Williams. Today,
young quarterbacks need to run game just changes everything. I mean,
I love what Jayden Daniels is doing, but they're running
the hell out of the ball. At Washington he's getting
you know, there's a lot of second and fours, third
and one. It just opens up everything. And so I

(01:10:41):
think I think Buffalo finally has given Josh James. Cook's
a real running back. He's explosive. So I think that's
the play. But I just again, I'll go back to
it when I watch Kansas City. Generally with dynasties, we
get this. You know, Durant shows up in Golden State
for three years, they look different, Bama Saban looked different.
Georgia for a couple of years, looked at front. I mean, hell,

(01:11:01):
last year Michigan was so dominant they didn't throw the
ball on the road against rivals and beat Penn State.
It looks like a dynasty. If you just saw the
Chiefs on a week to week basis and had to
guess who's the best team in the league, you wouldn't
put HM in the top six. Like, I mean, Mahomes
makes a terrible throw. I mean, they got so lucky
today he threw a pick, then the guy fumbled down
the sideline, Like, I mean, it's just here, doesn't look

(01:11:25):
like it should.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
This year, they're not going to have enough. But over
the next couple of years, if you were on the
bus with Andy going back, he go that guy, Jim
Harbaugh is going to have that team looking like ours.
And you felt it today, like and they just ran
out of gas and Herbert limping around and think about
I was thinking about this Watson Alabama game. Three of

(01:11:48):
the last four games, Kaylin dw Borr has worked Kirby Smart,
Steve Sarkisian, and Dan Lanning. The one guy kicked his ass. Now,
granted Michigan was a lot better than Washington was hardball
bors destroying these other guys. They're all making ten to
twelve million and running college football. And Jim Harbaugh has
proven you see that stats the first time ever a

(01:12:09):
reigning national champion had played the reigning Super Bowl champion.
You know, I think there's a fifty to fifty chance
Jim Arbaugh wins a Super Bowl one Like he's that
level of a guy yeah, it was. It was awesome
to watch his team today just come out like they
were there to brawl and they were not. And how
much money did they have sitting in the suite? Three

(01:12:31):
hundred million dollars, right, I mean, so it's just wait
till they, over the next couple of years are able
to build it up. Andy's been in Kansas City how
long now, eleven years? Like it's gonna take him a
couple of years. But if they can keep Herbert healthy,
that thing's gonna be real because that style, the exactly
what the Chiefs are doing always translates tackle everybody, rush

(01:12:53):
the passer, run the ball, and have a good quarterback
who just it's weird, like he wants a game manager
with but with the that type skill set. Because I
watch Herbert today and I don't know what his box
score was, and I bet half the people talking about
it will be like he's overrated, Like I don't know
what you're talking about that guy. I'd take that guy
on my team any day of the week, and twice
on Sundays.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
All right, I want to have one college opinion. So
I watched you know, some Alabama Georgia and so Carson
Beck coming into the year, felt like the no doubt
about it. Number one pick. He had three picks. Brock
Bowers is so talented. I mean people have asked Kirby smart.

(01:13:35):
I've had a couple of conversations with people about brock
Bowers when he was going to get drafted, and people
would call Kirby smart and they would ask him, what
do you think of your tight end brock Bowers? And
He's like, listen, man, we're Georgia. We have good players.
There's nothing on the planet like. Yeah, when you watch
George's quarterback without brock Bowers and Lad mcconkeye, okay, a

(01:13:55):
great player, but when you watch him without that safety
valve brock Bowers, There's no way I could draft Carson
Beck number one. Absolutely no way. Now, I think quinn
Ewers is really interesting. Shoudur Sanders is a talent. Do
you want to deal with the other stuff? I'm not sure.
I think cam Ward's insane, but it's I watched that
George Obama game and I'm thinking, I'm sorry we didn't

(01:14:17):
think it was a good quarterback class. I think cam
Ward and quinn Ewers you cannot watch. I thought Carson
Beck just does not look like a number one guy
on the board. You take away that tight end weapon
and that slot weapon, they still have the best talent
in the country. It that was my take on that
game is I thought I picked Alabama to win. I
thought Bama would win. It got very close at the end.

(01:14:40):
There was a million plays in the second half. I mean,
you could talk about that game for four days. But
that was my take is that cam Ward is becoming
with quinn Ewers, they're becoming the top two picks.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
Yeah, you know, I hadn't really Georgia's last couple of years.
They don't play in any meaningful games so the end
of the season, but these last two weeks against Kentucky
and Alabama, this guy looked completely over whelmed. I mean,
they easily could have lost to Kentucky. You actually might
be pretty good beat Ale miss And then last night,
to me, those fifty to fifty balls in the second half,
like that's not NFL football. In the first half when

(01:15:11):
it was on and he had to drive the ball
and fit it into windows, he looked completely overwhelmed. Now
it's not saying he's not talented, he's not an NFL player,
but to me, he's like a second or third round pick.
I couldn't take that guy in the first round. Are
you insane? Have we seen? And like you said, all
these guys had him on the top of the board,
and these last couple of weeks you're watching them and

(01:15:33):
there's a lot of pressure and you go, eh, it's
not I don't care how many yards you throw for
when you're down thirty three to fifteen. I'm sorry that
the defense isn't quite playing like they were when it
was seven nothing or fourteen nothing in the first quarter
and it's all on the line. The lights are the brightest.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
And the airthing John. When you watch Quinn viewer's arm strength.
There's YouTube videos of him in high school. It leads
like a pro. When he's like seventeen. The ball flies
out of Quinn Youwer's hands. He was just sort of
lifestyle diet. He was just undisciplined.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
He had like a J.

Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
Cutler feelure, like does he love football? He's kind of
a mess. Well Sarks got him buttoned up. That ball
flies out of his hand. Cam Ward's electric with a
good arm and shadur Is, I mean, the kid is
weirdly accurate throwing off one foot.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
These last two weeks for Shador, Like if you want
to make the argument for him to go number one,
to come off that win, a little bit of a
miracle win. What happened the next week, you can either
like could they lay an egg here? They came and
blitz those guys and he was making throws. His talent
compared to Carson Beck's talent is not not even close.

(01:16:41):
Not in the same conversation like the Carson I mean
Texan With scouts last night, I was like, where is
this guy? First rounder?

Speaker 1 (01:16:46):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
Where's he going?

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
Is?

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
Like there was a lot of everyone's watching this thing,
the entire league, the scouts. I can't even imagine how
many scouts were in attendance. A lot of people. You
could the box score at the end of the game.
I'll promise you a lot of scouts leave to go
home in the third quarter. Watched the fourth quarter in
the on TV like that. That first half is something
you'll never forget if you were an attendance or you
were GM watching at your hotel room. You can't. You

(01:17:09):
can't unforget that, you really can't. And I how good
does Kailan do? Bore Well?

Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
I was talking to a friend that's a booster at
the University of Washington, and I think Jed Fish is
a good coach. But if you go to last year's
team that played for the national championship, all their talent
was on offense. It was all on offense. They just
didn't have a lot of I mean, they had a
decent defensive tackle that I think the Rams got undrafted
free agent. They had one good corner. Huskies always have

(01:17:35):
pretty good corners. But it was just like Kaylan got
a team. Kailin didn't win nine games there. He beat
Oregon three straight times in two years. Oregon had better players,
and we think Dan Lanning's a good coach.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
Was nine. He was a nine point underdog in the
Pac twelve Championship last year against Oregon and a five
point underdog against Sark.

Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
And it just Kaylan de boor there is. This is
a reference that people will forget Don James, but I
grew up with Don James as the Husky coach, and
Saban credits Don James for his early coaching acumen. And
Washington never lost a game they should have. They always
won the games and they often pulled up sets. I

(01:18:13):
don't think there is before the game starts. He may
create the best game plans. Like some coaches are good
adjustment coaches. Some coaches are great recruiters. A lot of
these college guys can recruit. They're not great play creators,
play callers. Lane Kiffin is, but he can also recruit.

(01:18:34):
Lane's pretty good coach. But Klin de Boor's ability to
get three star athletes turn them into four and five
star players, so he can recruit, he can develop. His
game plans are insane. I mean they they just every
time they played Oregon first three series, Oregon's in a hole.
I mean, Georgia had one of what forty two straight
regular season games. It was over. He may create the

(01:18:57):
best game plan. And some guys are just great in
the film room. They're just they're film room wizards. But
I mean, I bet bet Alabama winning the first half,
I mean for for the next eight years, because that's
what he did at Washington. And and by the way,
in Washington didn't have anything close to Bama's talent.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
You know what he is, He's a he's an extension
because this guy, you know, was just kind of over
it and had opportunities to go different places after Washington
and didn't. But he's Chris Peterson. If Chris Peterson had
chose to go to the SCA. He's just he's intense
in the sense of like high standards. There's not people
aren't screwing around, and there's an intellectual capacity there that
is higher than basically everyone he's going up against. Like

(01:19:41):
I'm sorry, Kirby, high level guy. His resume speaks for itself,
but just in terms of schematics, like I'm taking to
bore you know what I mean, I just I just am.
And it's an offensive sport. Even Nick has admitted to that.
So Kirby's just had a disadvantage. You just take the
offensive coaches, right, I mean, look at sark get Ryan Day.
It's an offensive sport, especially in college. But Kaylin Duboor,

(01:20:06):
I think it's the total package of he clearly knows
what he's doing, like it's undebatable now, but his offensive prowess,
which I was like, what's he gonna look like without
his guy Ryan Grubb that goes to Seattle, Oh, exactly
the same. I mean to be up twenty eight, nothing
like that at home against it's borderline impossible to follow

(01:20:29):
a Vince Lombardi or a Nick Saban or John Wooden.
I don't think it could go any smoother after last night.
For that guy, Nick's already given him his blessing. You
eventually have to do it. But to work Kirby like that,
you can't convince me that was a close game. It
was thirty three to fifteen with ten minutes to go
in the game. They hit a couple of big plays.
Now it ultimately Bama had to hit a big play,

(01:20:51):
which they did, but that was that was domination Colin.
That was to come out like that at home. I
means he getting on track extension at the end of
the year. I know he just got hired, but I mean,
how do you do how do you go from Nick
Saban to that? How lucky are they? Well?

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
And he's also smart because he inherited momentum, and I
think what he did he inherited momentum. I mean he's
termed Jalen Milroll. Like I never thought Jalen Milroll was
a pro, and I watched him and I'm like, Jesus
efficient throws a pretty deep ball. I mean, there's just
something in his coaching. Michael Pennix, you could see very

(01:21:30):
quickly through a beautiful ball left hander A lot of
scouts don't like. But it was pretty clear earlier, like
Pennix throws, he's like a bigger tu The ball's too pretty,
so he's gonna get drafted. I didn't when I watched
Jalen Milroll, I was like, kind of athletic. His game
is cleaned up, like.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
Had him looking like Josh Allen in the first quarter
last night. Would you rather have Jalen Milroe in the
third round or Carson Beck in the first? I know
which one I'd choose. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
So I was having this conversation with something today and
I said, I just you know, once again, coaching, it
could be the vikings on both sides. It can be
what's happening in Washington. I mean, Jesus gives Sean Payton
credit on a You know, it's a short week. When
you play on the road, go home, although I think
they stayed out East, but it's hard. I mean, sometimes

(01:22:19):
you're at a disadvantage. You have Aaron Rodgers, I have
bow Nicks. You're at home. I'm on the road. That's
a disadvantage. You pull a win out like that. Coaching
is just bigger than we think.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
I know, we got to get out of here, but
I think it takes I don't think many people could
walk into the shoes of Saban. He's still around. I
mean he lives in the town. Obviously, he does the
game day stuff, but it feels like he's always around Alabama.
That cannot be. He recruited half the team. He just
coached Jalen Milroll last year to the playoffs, had Michigan

(01:22:50):
on the ropes. That guy still going to games. He's
been to several games this year. That's that's not easy.
I mean this guy, I mean, he's borderline Jesus in
the state of Alabama, and that's who you're taking over for.
And to have it go like this because I think
they got a guy who is secure enough in himself
because he's nothing like Nick. He's not a screamer in

(01:23:11):
a yeller. He's much at all, like I said with
Chris Peterson, much more cerebral, much more mellow. But he's
so good schematically. At the end of the day, the
highest level players in college you can either resonate with them. Now,
Nick's a great scheme guy too, but Nick was so
intense they were kind of scared this guy just knows
everything that's going on football wise. How do they not listen?
They clearly are and it's working. I mean, it's not

(01:23:32):
out of the realm possibility that they're in the National
Championship Game? Is it? After what we just witnessed last night?

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
No. I think if I had to guess today, I
would say Texas, Ohio State, and Bama look different. And
I think, I think what happened to George, I didn't
think it would look like that, But I.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
I don't look at them the same with their quarterback,
like you could tell me they'd losing the Elite eight
or whatever. However the brackets are now.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
Yeah. John Middlecock, former NFL Scout three and ounce his podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
Good stuff, Bud, take it easy, con.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
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