Colin Cowherd’s Fantasy Football Over/Under Picks and Predictions + The 10 Biggest Questions for Week 9 (Ep. 1425)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, everybody. Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Football Podcast. I'm
Ryan Warmley, joining this Friday morning, the start of November
by Pat fitz Morris and by Derek browd Bellas we
are into now the third month of the NFL season.
We are into the second half of the season. Kind
of that with it not being an even number of weeks.
It kind of happens in the middle of this week.
But we are, I mean in the stretch run really

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of fantasy seasons. Remarkable stuff that it goes as fast.
It feels like it goes faster every year deeper. How
is your Halloween?

Speaker 2 (00:31):
That's good man.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
I was telling Pat, I had some misgivings or problems
with I makeup and stuff for my costume. Apparently you
can be allergic to that thing. Didn't know that until now.
So I don't know whether to thank really crappy I
makeup or old age, but one.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Of them is to blame here.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yeah, fits, how about you? We talked a bit about
some of your favorite candies and scary movies yesterday. How
was your actual Halloweens?

Speaker 4 (00:55):
It was good. So my kids have aged out of
the trick retreating phase, but you know, we it was funny.
My wife was like swatting my son's hand, my hand
as we were going into this big candy bag. She
was all worried we weren't gonna have enough for the
trigger treaters and we never get a ton. So of course, like,
we still have more than half the bag left, and

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now I can have free rein over the kit Kats
and Reese's Peanut buttercups and Snickers. So yeah, it's all good.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Pat, Do you not use the tube bowl approach? You
take out one really fast, dump a little bit in there,
hide it into the cupboard.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
No, no, no, okay, de Bro, I'm mad.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
I didn't think of the Worther's original joke yesterday when
we were talking about the favorite candy.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
That's what I didn't know if anybody heard.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
That, and I was mad. I didn't think of myself quickly, Devra,
because we talked about yesterday with ericson what is your
favorite candy and your favorite Halloween movie?

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Oh, people hated this. People hated this out on social media.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
It's candy corn Baby, the one I want, the one
I want of Halloween candy.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
I will not be denied this. It is so awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
I feel like I'm the only person who doesn't have
candy corn first or last. For me, it's just fine.
It's a perfectly fine Halloween candy.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
That's a polarizing take, Worm Gottas mentioned it polarizing take.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
And then what about your favorite Halloween movie?

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Ooh, that's a really good one. I'm not that much
of a scary movie boff Man honestly either.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
Oh, it has to be hocus Pocus one on one,
that's what Ericson said. Yeah, it has to be hocus Pocus. Definitely.
That's definitely a banger. Although I will say, uh, before
we get rolling here, a lot of sequels really suck
and miss the mark.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
That one that was a good one.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Hocus Pocus sequel. Yeah, yeah, I've ever seen it. I
probably haven't. I just don't remember it. So I'm not
a big scary movie guy either.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Well, Worm, that one won't scare you.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's a good point. I said, scream
because that's kind of like a parody of scary movies.
That was my my choice yesterday. All right, but we're
past Halloween, like, so we're past October, we're past the
halfway point just about of the fantasy season. Like I mentioned,
this is our Friday show quick reminder. All of our
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Before we jump into this week's questions, let's check in
with Colin Coward and his over under picks for the
Fantasy Over Under Challenge. Time now for the Week nine
Over Under Challenge. As always, this segment is presented by DraftKings.
I'm Ryan Warmley, joined by Colin Coward. We're talking through
some of our favorite player picks for this week's slate.

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We will jump right in, but First, I do want
to remind everyone listening you can play along with our
over under challenge and try to not only beat Colin,
but win some cool prizes as well by heading to
fantasypros dot com Slash Challenge Colin. Let's start with the quarterbacks.
Kirk Cousins going up against the Cowboys quarterback sixteen in
fantasy scoring on DraftKings this season. He does have multiple
top five finishes so far. Obviously, that five hundred yard

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game was a big one a couple of weeks ago.
He's now facing this Cowboys pass defense allowing eight point
two yards per attempt and likely know Micah Parsons in
this one. What do you expect out of Cousins.

Speaker 5 (04:26):
Well, he's made a lot of hay against the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers and the Carolina Panthers. They come off a
very emotional game. I think there's gonna be some points
in this game. I actually I rarely like the Dallas Cowboys.
I like him in this spot because Atlanta generates no
pass rush at all. But I think you have to
be careful with Cousins. He does generate a lot. If

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you look at his games this year, a lot of
his production is against Tampa and Carolina. I'm gonna push
back a little bit in this game. I think it's
lower scoring than people think. I'll take Dallas to win.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Do you think maybe Beijeon has a better game on
the ground for the Falcons than Cousins does through the air.

Speaker 5 (05:04):
I do. I like Beijean a lot. I think Kirk Cousins,
because that offensive line is very good, has made Kyle
Pitts better probably than he is. I think he's been
a huge disappointment. Brock Bowers for the Raiders has been
everything promised a tight end. Kyle Pitts has been a disappointment.
I'll always take bijon. Cowboys don't defend the run vigorously,

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so I think if there's a side to take, that's
the side.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
Another quarterback we wanted to hit on Jalen Hurts going
up against the Jags. He's quarterback three this season twenty
one point six fantasy points per game on DraftKings, and
really has been rounding into form lately in terms of
his fantasy scoring. QB four in Week seven, QB one
in Week eight, just last week, and now I was
facing this Jags defense allowing eight point one yards per
attempt second worse than the NFL, just just behind the

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Cowboys here. So what do you make of Hurts in
this one?

Speaker 5 (05:51):
Well, I think what the Eagles have done a nice
job with is they're really they've closed the boundaries on him.
He's throwing less and running more, and they realize they're
leaning into his strength. He is a hyper athletic quarterback.
Last week, I think he had ten rushes. Only he's
only throwing like twenty four times a game. So I

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think what he's becoming is a more efficient version. I
think sometimes off those Shane Stike in years, they would
see him as a quarterback. They would just kind of
let him do his thing. AJ Brown, Devonte Smith. But
I think when you when you close it in a
little bit, create boundaries and say we're throwing at twenty
four times, you're running at ten to twelve, he is

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more efficient the turnovers come down. I like Jalen Hurts
in the spot.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
One of the other players in this week's challenge is
actually DeVante Smith's in this same game. So let's actually
jump ahead to him while we're talking about the Eagles. Anyway,
He's wide receiver twenty three to nine point four fantasy
points per game on DraftKings this season again facing this
Jags defense eleven point five yards per catch, that's twenty
sixth in the NFL. So specifically for DeVante Smith, what
do you see out of him this week?

Speaker 5 (06:58):
Well, I I like him, you know, and I think
aj Brown has such a relationship with Jalen Hurts, and
I think you can see it on film. So I
always feel like he's their number two pitch and it
just depends on the coverage. But I almost always like
him in big spots, and I just don't think Jacksonville's
very good defensively at all, so I would probably expect

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him to be productive.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Let's look at a running back here, Josh Jacobs against
the Lions RB sixteen. On the season, he's run for
six hundred and sixty seven yards, that's fourth most in
the NFL. Just hasn't had quite the pass catching or
the touchdowns to score as many points in fantasy. Facing
this Detroit rush defense tied for twenty second the NFL
and yards per carry allowed. Obviously, the state of Jordan
Love is going to be really important in this one,

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both in terms of the offensive efficiency for the Packers
and also just in terms of the volume. We saw
that Week two game where Jacobs carried the ball thirty
two times when Malik Willis was starting, So you know,
obviously again there's some gray area here until we know
for certain on Love trending like he's not going to play,
at least from what we can tell. But what do
you make out of Jacobs in this matchup?

Speaker 5 (08:03):
Well, I think they don't know who's going to play,
and so they have a very good pass protecting offensive line,
but they may not have their best passer. I think
green Bay's the side here just because Jared Goff's limping,
they're on the road, Jared Goff's first outdoor game, and
Matt Lafleur is an elite schemer, so I think green Bay,
even though a dog, I think they're the side here.

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My guess is they're going to try to control the
line of scrimmage. That's the way to beat Detroit is
keep Detroit's offense off the field, keep that lion O
line off the field. And I think the way to
do that, especially if Malik Willis plays, is with the
run game. So I expect there to be a real
accentuation by Green Bay on rushing the football.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
We usually talk about specific players in these segments, but
just because you mentioned Lafleur and kind of the job
he's done scheming, he's got to be up there for
Coach of the Year so far, right, I mean what
he's done with Jordan Love missing games, you know, on
multiple different occasions now with multiple injuries. I every year
I'm more and more impressed by Matt Lafluir.

Speaker 5 (09:00):
Well, it also feels like his team. You know, with
Aaron Rodgers, you feel like you're complying with Aaron's needs
and wants. I think once Aaron left, it is now
Matt Lafleur's offense. And I think he likes the power
run game. I think this organization drafts and develops at
a very high clip. So I do feel like he

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has a real footprint on this offense, a real imprint.
You can see it. And I think for years and
years we've just kind of given far of an Aaron
Rodgers too much credit. And I think Lafleur, to your point,
is a top five coach.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Let's wrap up with a couple of receivers here. Malik
Nahbors is on this week's challenge, going up against the
Commanders for the second time. That pass defense is playing
a bit better the last couple of weeks compared to
how they did early. That Week two game from Neighbors
was quite a performance. Eighteen targets and Jones only threw
twenty eight passes in the game. Eighteen of them went
to Malik Nabors ten catches, one hundred and twenty seven

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yards and a touchdown in that Week two matchup. He's
wide receiver eight and points per game on the season
by the Neighbors, a little lower since returning from the Kakashia,
but obviously super talented. What do you think he does
in this encore against Washington?

Speaker 5 (10:07):
Well, I think without Andrew Thomas, I don't trust anything
about the New York Giants offense, so I'd be a seller,
But the Giants defensive line is good enough that they
get you off the field. I like Washington in this spot.
It's a rivalry game. I think Washington people view that
Hail Mary is a miracle win. If you watch the game,
Washington absolutely outproduced and outplayed the Bears. I think Washington

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win here is big, but I do think that's an
advantage because New York will trail and that means neighbors
will get a lot a lot of looks in the
second half. So if you have an offense and it
has limitations like the Giants, but you know they trail late,
watch neighbors have big production.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
Last receiver here, Pooka Nakua back in our Lives after
missing a large chunk early in the year. Going up
against Seattle. He was wide receiver twenty two in that
week eight return from injury, had eleven point one Fantasy
points on DraftKings. He led the rams and targets and
had one hundred and six receiving yards in that game.
There was some question, you know, going into the game
about you know, limited snap count, what's he actually going
to look like? And then he looked kind of like

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the alpha there. I mean, they really have two alphas
when when everybody's healthy, they're now facing the Seahawks pass
defense allowing ten point seven yards per catch, that's tie
for tenth in the NFL. What do you think about Pooka,
you know, in relation to Cooper cup or just him
in general. If he's gonna have a big game.

Speaker 5 (11:28):
Well, I think he will offensive coach Sean McVay extra
time to prepare because they played on Thursday night. If
you watch the Rams, Pooka is their number one. Cooper
Cup maybe more expensive and more historically relevant, Pooka is
their one. I think Kyron Williams and Pooka Nakua are
really their top two targets. Cooper Cup has been slotted

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into third because they can't really count on him to
be available, So I think Pooka. I love the Rams
in this spot. I love when McVeigh and Stafford, like
Andy Reid and Mahomes, get extra time to prepare off
a Thursday night game. Love the Rams and love Pooka.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
Here. We'll wrap up there. Remember to head to Fantasypros
dot Com Slash Challenge to play along all season long.
Thanks a lot, Colin. Thanks man. All Right, fellas, it's
our Week nine key questions here. We'll start off with
Chargers Browns because I want to start off talking about
this Browns offense. Are we excited to start these brown

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skilled players again this week? Coming off of a largely
pretty great Week eight performance under you know new quarterback
Jameis Winston deep bra I'll start with you.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
I'm honestly not the Bolts passing. Our past defense has
been pretty tough. We've I've been throwing a little bit
of cold water on Cedric Tillman said the big games,
you know. I mean, obviously we were big into him
last week, but I'm throwing a little bit of cold
water here. The Chargers secondary has been very good, allowing
the fifth fiues fantasy points per game to perimeter wide receivers.

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They've been very good against tight ends, seventh lowest yards perception. Honestly,
and this might be odd, guys, the guy I'm most
excited for in this game is actually Nick Chubb. The
Chargers run defense can be had.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
They're allowing the eleventh.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
Highest yards of the contact pert tempt on the twelfth
highest yards per carry to zone runs. I think this
is a really sneaky spot for Nick Chubb to get
going after last week we saw his workload trickle up.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Already bet the over for his rushing yards.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Yeah. Fits. We talked a little bit about Nick Chubb
yesterday too on the show with ericson and how you
know it was only you know, fifty two yards I think,
but he was the first running back to go over
fifty yards in a game against Baltimore this season. Now,
Baltimore lost Michael Pierce during the game. Travis Jones banged up,
but still nobody else has done it, and Nick Chubb
did and also, like Deva mentioned, kind of getting that
volume up again too. So I also like Nick Chubb

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a bit this week. What do you think about him?
Especially do you like him better than some of these
pass catchers.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
Yeah, I mean his second game back and we saw
him get sixteen carries and we saw him play a
snapchair I think just under six so he is almost
back to full featured back status already. Which what an
amazing comeback considering like just thinking back to how bad
that injury looked when you know Minka Fitzpatrick, through no
fault of his own, just hit him when he was

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planted in such a horrible way and that was truly
a grotesque injury. Great to see one of the best
pure runners in the NFL back. I am excited about
this offense again, worm Like the passing game has new
life with Jamis. We're getting chubbed back and the offensive
line is getting healthier, which was a big problem earlier
in the season. So Jamis Winston threw forty one passes

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last week, and his first start for the Browns and
his average depth of target on his throats with ten yards.
And I mentioned this on our show yesterday, Worm, but
I'll mention it again because it's such a great stat
Courtesy of our buddy Jacob Gibbs over at CBS. Jamis
had two hundred and seventy five catchable air yards last week.

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The previous sing season high for addy quarterback this year
in catchable air yards Brock Purdy with two hundred and thirteen.
Jamis just blew that number out of the water in
his first start. And you know that doesn't obviously include
after the catch yard, so like that shows what his
ceiling is. Everyone's being really conservative with him, doesn't like

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the matchup. I think last time I checked his Jamis
had an ECR of like QB eighteen. I've got him
in the top ten. Like he's going to do his thing.
The one thing that could torpedo Jamis, of course, is
if he throws like four interceptions, and that allows the
Chargers to just hold the ball and take the air
out of it, because I think they are allowed currently

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averaging the most seconds between snaps of any team in
the league, like the Chargers played a glacial pace, so
that's the danger here. But man if Jamis doesn't turn
it over a bunch, Cedric Tillman is blossoming, David Nijoku
is a must start. Jerry Judy and Elijah Moore are playable.
This is going to be a fun offense.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, Dee Broh, I wanted to ask you about the
quarterback ranking because this is another thing we talked about
a bit on the Start Sit show with Ericson. Fitz
and Erickson were pretty far apart in their ranking of
Jamis for this week. Fit's already mentioned he's got Jamis
in the top ten. Rickson had him down. I think
like QB seventeen, QB eighteen range, where do you have Jamis?

Speaker 2 (16:16):
I'm with Erickson.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
I got him at QB seventeen and like, I think
the volume can be there for Jamis. There's just other
quarterbacks that I like this week. Like, I know this
doesn't sound like a hot take, but considering his production
for the entire season, I've got Patrick Mahomes inside my
top twelve. I like Geno more like bo Nix Moore.
I think it's a good bounce back spot for Kaleb.

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Jared Golf can throw it. Although we're worried about the
weather a little bit for that game Dak Prescott. I
think it's a big bounce back spot possibly for him.
So it's not so much that I hate Jamis this week.
I just like other scoring environments better than this one.
Like if you were to tell me this game walked
away like as a thirteen or a six team to

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nine type of game, I honestly wouldn't be that surprised.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Go to Cowboys Falcons. I want to talk about Kyle Pitts,
who is having, you know, a resurgence here the last month.
In the last four weeks, he has seven catches for
eighty eight yards, three catches for seventy yards, seven catches
for sixty five yards, and four for ninety one with
two touchdowns in that most recent game. Is he a
Tier one tight end option this week? And also moving
forward fits.

Speaker 4 (17:27):
Maybe on the borderline of it, Like this resurgence is
encouraging for sure, But two of those four games were
against the Buccaneers, who have allowed the fourth most receiving
yards and fourth most fantasy points to tight ends. Another
of those big four games for Pits was against the Panthers,
who have allowed the most fantasy points to tight ends.
And the fourth game during that four game hot streak

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for Pits was against the Seahawks, who have allowed the
fourth most receiving yards and ninth most fantasy points to
tight end. So he has taken advantage of a soft
stretch of scheduling. But it's not all man related. I mean,
it is nice to see Pitts tapping into his talents
because this dude is big and fast and freakishly athletic,

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and like he is certainly capable of being a Tier
one tight end. Let's just see it sustand maybe when
the matchups aren't quite.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
As favorable, how would you rate the matchup this week?

Speaker 4 (18:19):
Enough that I'm checking to see where I have Jamis
in or Jamis, excuse me, where I have Pits in
my rankings. I've got him at seventh against Dallas. I know,
what would you say, deebro? Kind of a neutral matchup
the Cowboys.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
I actually quietly loved this matchup for Kyle Pitts. I
don't think.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
Dallas has either faced a lot of good tight ends
or a lot of good tight ends that have been utilized.
Like you could say, okay, well, they've played the Ravens,
they've they've played the Browns, but then it was Watson,
it was the Ravens. Not really utilizing a lot of guys.
This is quietly, I think, a smash spot for Kyle
Pitts and the reason it like Dallas. Again, I talked
about they haven't seen a lot of offenses that featured

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George Kittle absolutely destroyed them, and I was high on
him walking into that matchup because Dallas has quietly given
up the highest yards per reception two tight ends and
the third most receiving touchdowns. So I'm with you, we're
not far apart. Like Kyle Pitts.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
I've got him at tight end six for the.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
Week, but that's only because I love Evan Ingram a
little bit more and I like Kaitott and a little
bit more so, Like I can only push him up
so high into the rankings, but I still love Kyle Pitts,
like I'll start him over David and Joku, Jake Ferguson, Laporta, Andrews,
a bunch of different guys that I think people would
like this week too.

Speaker 4 (19:38):
Yeah, And that's the thing I mean. Ingram and Otten
are sort of forced to be these like target hogs
in their offense because of the situation with the wide
receivers on those teams, whereas there's always the chance that
Pits might get lost in the target shuffle a little
bit behind London and Mooney de.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
Bro What would you where would you drink Pits in
terms of rest of season? Like, how many tight ends
would you rather have from this point forward than Pitts?

Speaker 3 (20:02):
Oh, that's a good call. I mean, really, I think
it's a short list. It's Traving Bride, George kittle Brock, Bauers,
and I think the conversation starts at tight end four
with Travis Kelcey. You could put Evan Ingram probably into
that conversation too. But we've seen a lot more bad
than we've seen good out of Trevor Lawrence this year.
Uh So I still think that we haven't seen the

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best iteration of the Falcons offense. Boys, Like I still
think that this offense is kind of finding its way,
Like we've seen two to three games really good of
like Bijon like coming on, like same thing with Kyle
Pitts and Drake London. Like, I think there are still
better days ahead for this Atlanta Falcons offense. So I
think the conversation begins at tight end four. I've got
him at tight end five rest the season?

Speaker 1 (20:46):
Does that?

Speaker 4 (20:47):
Does that mean that they're going to insert Pennox at quarterback?
The iteration of this offense, Kirk is good, Dad.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
I guess, I guess fits. We've officially hit your deadline
for that to happen, right, wasn't I know.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
Of Cousins getting benched on the merits for Pennix? Didn't happen,
but hey still might happen before the season is out.
We see they can't play the Buccaneers every week. Man
their regular season matchups against the Bucks are over there.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
If they could, that would be so glorious if they could.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Let's go to Broncos Ravens games in Baltimore. Bow Knicks
has been a top ten fantasy quarterback in three of
the last four weeks. He now gets a Baltimore defense
that has been thrown on all season and is also
just pretty banged up. In general, The Ravens are good
typically against mobile quarterbacks, which is not surprising because they
see one every day in practice. But this is not

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the typical Ravens defense, at least it certainly hasn't been
the first two months. Do we trust bow Knicks to
continue his hot streak or are we worried about the
rookie QB in Baltimore, a place where rookie QB's typically struggle.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
Deebro, what do you think typically used to struggle? I mean,
I don't think this past defense can freaking stop anybody. Nowadays,
I've got him flirting.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
I think I.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
Think you can start the conversation for him as low
in quarterback one somewhere around QB seven QB eight.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
Right now.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
Currently I've got him at QB thirteen. He's in a
long mix of guys like the Staffords, Sam Darnold's, Dak Prescott,
Pat Mahomes of the week. If somebody wanted to have
him as a low end QB one, I totally understand it, because,
I mean, worm, you might want to cover your years.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
I'm not worried about the Baltimore defense.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
Like at all.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
They have to look, they have to show the ability
to stop anybody through the air. And this is not
even just oh well, they've been hurt and dude, they
were at full strength and they still sucked. It didn't
freaking matter. So bo Nix, I do think that he's
probably gonna end up as a QB one this week,
so I want to stay probably above consensus considering where
ECR comes in. But I mean, you're telling me the
past defense that's given up the most passing touchdowns in

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the NFL, the most passing yards per game. Hell and no,
I'm not scared of them.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
So before I toss to fits, I have one follow
up for you, d Bro, because this is thing I
brought up on an earlier show this week too. The
rape prior to the injuries went healthy. The Ravens defense
where they really struggled was against teams that had an
Alpha receiver. Jamar Chase did really well against him, Rashi
Rice in that first game of the season, ceed Lamp
Defante Adams and that Raiders loss. It was always the
teams that had that really really high level number one.

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The Broncos don't really have that. I mean, your milers
mayvarian some of these guys, but none of them are
clearly in that tier one tier. I mean, even in
that Bucks game, that Bucks offense looked a lot different
as soon as Mike Evans went out. So now that
they are getting healthy, because healthy er Nate Wiggins and
Rol Humphrey are practicing again this week and trending towards playing.
It seems like if they're healthy, then this is the

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type of passing attack that doesn't have that alpha that
has really hurt them so much this year. Does that
way into it at all? Or do you just think
like any style of Like I guess what I'm asking
is because that Bill's game is kind of the prime
example of a team that didn't take advantage of the defense,
and that was Priamari Cooper trade. They didn't have that
alpha guy and it really worked to the Ravens benefit.
Do you think that this could be another scenario like

(23:56):
that if as they get healthy, or do you think
they're just kind of in shambles and it's gonna be
strong passing regardless.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
I'm gonna throw this back at you, worm, who do
you think is the better NFL wide receiver right now?
Cedric Tillman or Courtland Sutton? Is he a true alpha
because he absolutely just wrecked them last week?

Speaker 1 (24:14):
Well, but that was the one game that was the
game where they were beat up, that was where they
didn't have a hun.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
But are they fully healthy walking into this game?

Speaker 1 (24:20):
They're healthy or they're not? They're certainly not fully healthy.
It's a good point.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
No, I really like I'm needling you a little bit here,
but a good point I think. I think in its entirety,
this this secondary, whether healthy or not, I think has
been downgraded to a point where I I don't think
you have to be that true type of alpha. Like
I think there's a conversation, especially in skill, skill sets

(24:45):
and archetypes between Cedric Tillman and Courtland Sutton. So I
think Courtland Sutton is good enough to take advantage of
this matchup and lead the way. And would we have
said this maybe before last week? Probably maybe not.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
But he's been getting a ton of volume and he
took advantage of the Carolina Panthers last week, So I
think you could do it against the Ravens.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Soo, Ravens just us. He can't get pressure on anybody,
which is now came any offense. Yeah. But by the way,
this isn't even me being defensive by the Ravens. This
is me deciding if I need to start Courtland Sutton
in a few weeks this week, so start him the
follow up? Yeah, Fitz, what do you think about this?
You know, we we talked about bo Nicks again yesterday,
but again top ten Fantasy quarterback three the last four weeks.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
He's been on a real leater QB two last week, and.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
We sort of joked about, you know, the historic historically
not a good matchup for rookie quarterbacks going into Baltimore,
But you know, this Ravens defense does not have Terrell
Suggs or Ed Reed roaming around anymore. So, but I
still kind of agree with your premise here, Worm that
maybe this isn't quite the matchup it looks to be

(25:48):
on paper. And a lot of the reason why bo
Nicks has been an effective fantasy quarterback has been the
value he has added as a runner. Like he has
put up really impressive rushing numbers, like more impressive than
some of the guys we were expecting big rushing totals from.
So can he just come in and pick apart the
Ravens past defense, especially if they do have I don't

(26:11):
know what the status of Marlin Humphrey Nate Wiggins is.
Are those guys going to play it this week?

Speaker 1 (26:15):
Where I'm they've been limited in practice, so it's it's unclear.

Speaker 4 (26:19):
So, like I mean, I still feel like it's a
capable secondary if those guys are healthy. So yeah, I
do kind of have a hard time believing that Bonix,
a rookie who has not really been dicing up people
with his arm, is going to come into Baltimore, which
has traditionally been a really tough place to play during
the John Harbaugh era and just like tear it up.

(26:42):
So I am conservative with my ranking of Bonnicks this week.
I've got him QB sixteen.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Just quickly, I want to throw a second question out
for this matchup, because we talked about it on the
day it happened, but we haven't really talked about it
on the shows at least the ones I've been on
in the days since. So now that we have had
some time to kind of process this trade, what are
we doing with the Baltimore pass catchers this first week
with Deontay Johnson in town? Fits for this game?

Speaker 4 (27:05):
I'm starting Jay Flowers and maybe Mark Andrews depending on
my tight end situation, and sitting everyone else.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
Debra, I'm honestly worried about everybody in this matchup. Dude,
Somebody's catching a Patrick's certain shadow. It's gonna happen. The
question is who you betting on I. I don't think
it's gonna be Rashad Bateman. I don't think it's gonna
be a Deontay Johnson, which I'll throw this out here,
I unless you are oppressed, I would not be starting

(27:34):
Deontay Johnson this week. Like we this is just going
back to what have we seen out of these guys
getting traded in short windows? Amario Cooper, uh, DeAndre Hopkins,
Like they're not gonna play. He's not gonna play a
full time snap role. That's not gonna happen. So really
you're just hoping and praying he catches a touchdown because
outside of that, he probably has a down game. We've

(27:56):
seen it off of every single wide receiver, even freaking
Devonte Adams trade and he had report with the quarterback
going in. So it's just not enough time to digest
the playbook nor to really like integrate yourself fully in
the offense. Like so I'm I'm down on Rashad Bateman
because and wharm you know this as well as I do.
Baltimore loves their their twelve and thirteen personnel. How much

(28:19):
do we see that? Like do we see more eleven personnel?
I think probably down the stretch. But I don't think
that's gonna be automatic in the first game for Deontay Johnson.
So in that idea, Okay, well, if they're playing multiple
tight ends, probably still then they're gonna have to get
Deontay Johnson's going to factor in his passing attack. He's
probably not taking snaps away from Zay Flowers. It's probably

(28:42):
Rashad Bateman. If they're in two wede receiver sets, it's
gonna take the snap hit, so Bateman could see his
snaps lowered. Deontay's not gonna be a full time guy.
Somebody's gonna catch a Patrick's certain shadow that's probably going
to be Zay Flowers. If I'm Denver, I say, you've
got a part time guy that you just traded for,
not so much worried about him. You know another guy

(29:03):
that's just a deep ball specialist in Vershaan Bateman, not
that worried about him. Okay, let's just wipe Save Flowers
off the map with patrickes for ten and you try
to beat us.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Go ahead. That's if I'm the the Denver Broncos DC.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
That's the way that I'm looking at it, And so
I'm worried, honestly about all these different pass catchers.

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Speaker 1 (31:35):
All right, guys, let's go to Dolphins Bills. The Dolphins
offense scored twenty seven points in Week eight, looking a
lot more normal with two tongue of Iloa back at quarterback.
The unit struggled mightily in the first matchup with the Bills, though,
even before Tua left that game with a concussion back
in week two. So what do we expect from Miami
skill players this week? Fits well.

Speaker 4 (31:54):
One guy who didn't struggle mightily in that first matchup
with the Bills Forum was Devon a Chen who had
twenty two carries for ninety six yards and seven catches
for sixty nine yards and a touchdown. So I would
expect to see a chan heavily involved as a pass
catcher once again, because the Bills have allowed an NFL
high four hundred and thirty four receiving yards to running

(32:16):
backs and the Bills run defense, you know, not that great.
So Ah Chan's going to be heavily involved in and
maybe Raheem Moster gets in on things, but otherwise I
don't know. Like Tyreek Hill has not had a great
deal of success against the Bills in recent years. Jalen
Waddle had a pair of one hundred yard games against
the Bills in twenty twenty two, but hasn't done much since.

(32:38):
Just seems like Sean McDermott and his staff kind of
have a handle on the Miami passing game and how
to keep it under control. So I'm excited about a
chan tempered enthusiasm for other components of the Miami offense.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Deebra, how are you approaching the Dolphins in this one.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
I'm currently on betting Pros right now, betting the over
at plus money on devon A Chan's receptions at four
and a half. That's why how I'm attacking this, hoom.
I think it's a Chan time, dude, and honestly, like
I'm gonna be. I don't want to start Jalen Wattle.
If anybody tuned into the live stream yesterday on Halloween,
basically every question we feeled was, hey, do us play

(33:15):
Jalen Wattle? And I'm like no, no, no, no, no,
no no no no, Like you got to get volume
to score fantasy points even in tough matchups, jaal and
Wattle's not getting it Like this is very much exactly
what we saw last year. It's the Tyreek Hill show.
Get him a thirty percent target chair and Jalen Wattle
if you get targets, cool if you don't cool. So
lately with Tua, the wide receiver two in this offense

(33:38):
has been devon a chan so I'm I'm gonna also
be below consensus on Tyreek Hill, like Tua has been
crushed in these matchups by the Buffalo Bills, and Tyreek
Hill is gonna get his targets and stuff. This is
a top three pass defense in the NFL. Like Tyreek Hill,
I've got a wide receiver eight. I can make you
a really good case. Like straight up, I want to

(34:00):
play Chris Alave over Tyreek Hill this week. I would
want to play assuming like Hookah's banged up and stuff
when we get to that game later, but Cooper Cup
probably playing him over tyreek Hill. Like I'm I just
think this is a game where we could see the
Dolphins have struggled religiously against the Bills, and I don't
see what's going to change in this matchup. So I'm
going to nerf tyreek Hill. I'm gonna have Jalen Wattle

(34:23):
in the wide receiver three or four territory and definitely
do not start him this week and fire up a chain.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
I think he crushes.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
This is a total non secutor. I meant to withy
this stuff at the top of the show and just forgot.
And since we're talking about the AFC East in this matchup,
I'll use that as this, like, you know, excuse for
transitioning to it. Where does that Garrett Wilson catch rank
amongst the all time catches you guys saw from last
night's game. That was I think it was better than
the Odell catch, Like you think it better. I think

(34:50):
it was better. He his he like kind of together.
This dude was like going full Michael Jordan, like doing
the splits in mid air follow I thought it was
more import assive I mean, obviously the O double one
was impressive too, but I thought this catch was just
it just looked sick. It was one of the coolest
catches I've ever seen.

Speaker 4 (35:06):
I think we're not recency, We're not docking him for
maybe not being technically inbounds on that. I thought that
was a dubious inbounds call. To be quite honest, it
was that was a vibe call.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
The reps were like, we can't call this not a touchdown.
We're gonna get booed.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
We're gonna have to get security to help us escort
us out if we don't call this a touchdown.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Garrett, he was making one handed catches right and left
last night. That was that was fun to watch, all right.
Like I said, I didn't really have a good transition
to that.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
I mean, it's it's a top ten all time catch,
no doubt. I think it's the top ten.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
It just and again, like not only was it just
an impressive catch, it just looked like it still.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
Seeing you know, the one thing I've looked for, Guys,
nobody has made the Garrett Wilson air Jordan like picture
mean yet, Like I haven't seen that yet. I've seen Odell.
I haven't seen the negative space picture yet, so I waiting.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
I saw a lot of it with like them side
by side, like people posting the two images together, but
I didn't see a lot of the like actual edited team.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
I haven't seen the aired Garrett yet. I'm waiting for that. Yeah,
Will Away, which one's six?

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Yeah? All right, let's go to the next game here.
Saints Panthers with Deontay Johnson, who we already talked about
now in Baltimore. Who is the Carolina receiver to play
in Fantasy xaviorly Get, who I think had kind of
popped up on the injury report a bit. Jalen Coker,
who I know Devra has been a big fan of
for a while, or you know door number three depru
will start with you.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Well, I know all the entire fantasy industry is in
on him right now.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
But if you've been in these streets, you've been on
this podcast feed, and you've been listening to shows since
before the NFL Draft, you already knew about Jalen Coker.
You already had him stashed in all your dynaty taxi squads.
Because I was talking about him before the freaking NFL
Draft and how he It was a shame.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
It was a travesty that he went undrafted. Kid can play.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
I think if you're gonna make a bet on anybody
eating them in receiving art receiving yards this week, I'm
going to put my bet on Jalen Cocher. And this
is no shade against Lagette. Laguat's been good, he hasn't
been great. And the matchup, I just this all goes
back to and yes, the entire Saints secondary.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Is banged up. I'm not gonna say that they're not.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Jalen Cocker has been freaking fantastic on a per route basis,
and the Saints are giving up the eighth most Fantasy
points per game to opposing slot wide receivers and the
third most receiving yards. I it's Jim and Coker week,
people enjoy.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Where are you ranking him?

Speaker 5 (37:31):
Like?

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Are you you actively starting him?

Speaker 3 (37:33):
I'm actively starting in a few different leagues. Yeah, as
a flex, and I'm gonna have him like right now,
I've got him at Jalen Cocker, Where are you at?
I've got him right now at wide receiver forty two.
I think that he is in the same conversation as Wando,
Robinson and Jay when Tolbert and that's only two spots ahead.

(37:54):
Oh excuse me, yeah, three spots ahead of Xavier Lagette.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
Okay, fits, What do you think? Do you all so
endorse Jalen Coker as the guy in this you know,
receiving game or is it Leaget or is it somebody else?

Speaker 4 (38:06):
It's no one With Bryce Young at quarterback for the Panthers,
I'm not starting any of these guys. The rest of
the season is simply a Dynasty scouting mission to assess
Xavier Legette, Jalen Cocher, and Jatavian Sanders. I am not
letting Deebro talk me into starting Jalen Cocher over Jalen Waddle.
That's not going to happen.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
One gets targets fits, the other one won't.

Speaker 4 (38:27):
Yeah, targets from Bryce Young, Dude, targets from Bryce.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
I mean yeah, but aren't those targets from Bryce Young
and the same thing as no targets from Tua?

Speaker 5 (38:35):
Right?

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Or maybe more better for Bryce? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Well, so, so how about sinking with this offense? Then
with Bryce Young starting? If Jonathan Brooks is active, fits
are you starting him or do you want to know
see how he looks in his.

Speaker 4 (38:48):
First Now he is, he is fantasy pyrite, like he
has been the biggest fool's gold of the twenty twenty
four fantasy season. Like everyone thinks he's going to come
in and be this workhoorse savior right away. At first
of all, no incentive for the Panthers to use him heavily.
He is coming off a torn acl, the team does
not have playoff aspirations, and Cuba Hubbard is running really well.

(39:09):
I would expect them to work in Jonathan Brooks very sparingly.
It's a red shirt season for all these guys. It's
like your hot shot University of Maryland basketball recruits. Put
him on the bench for a year, let him learn,
bring him in in, you know, as red shirt freshman.
A year from now, it might look better for the Panthers.

(39:31):
They might have a new quarterback. But this year wash out.
Do not start any Panthers other than perhaps Cuba.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
Bradon Pierce, red shirt freshman this year from Maryland. He
said all last year, seven footer can hit the three. God,
I'm hoping he's I hoping he's the next successful big
ten redshirt freshman since since Ethan Hap that's what's here?

Speaker 5 (39:53):
We go?

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Good lord, what have we done?

Speaker 1 (39:56):
I know zero people listening care about that. Well, what
have we done? The show? Dear bro, you are really
high on Jonathan Brooks in Dynasty drafts? Are you starting
him this week if he's active?

Speaker 2 (40:05):
No, I'm not starting him.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
If he can get up to full like, I think
Carolina is being extremely conservative with him because they look
at him as one of the cornerstones, the few cornerstones
that they do have, if any right now outside of
Jonathan Brooks. I think he's a cornerstone of this franchise
moving forward, so they are extremely being patient and treating
him with kid gloves. I think that he only plays

(40:27):
a handful of snaps. Could his workload go up down
the season to get a look at the young kid.
That all depends on how comfortable he is and how
where his health is at. I don't think that they're
going to like just keep shoving him into into the closet.
If he is ready to go by season's in, he
could see a cup of coffee as the league guy
later in the season. Do I project that this week?

Speaker 1 (40:49):
No, not at all. Let's go to Bears at Cardinals.
Marvin Harrison Junior had one hundred eleven receiving yards and
a touchdown in Week eight. It was just his second
game inside the top twenty receiver is in fantasy this season.
So are we back to ranking him highly even in
a tough matchup in Chicago or are we saying that
we kind of need to see it some more still

(41:10):
before we start moving back up the rankings to kind
of where he was during draft season.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
Debro, I've got him at wide receiver sixteen right now.
You have to tell me versus ECR is that high?
Am I equal with ECR? Where am I at worm?
Because I feel like I'm probably above ECR with that,
and really ECR is wide receiver seventeen and halfway oare
So I mean, I'm gonna be in line with consensus.
I can't see myself pushing him up much higher considering

(41:36):
all the players that I have above him, And I
think that's right.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
Is it a tough matchup? Yes?

Speaker 3 (41:42):
And if people have been reading the primer, you thought
the ability for Marvin Harrison Junior to have a big
game last week was there? Because this all goes back
to the coverage data people. Versus too high, he has
not been good and this is part of the role
and part of how they're using him. But versus single high,
he's still been awesome. Single high matchups like that is

(42:02):
the Marvin Harrison Junior the usage that we thought we were.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
Getting in every single week.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
So going back to this, the Bears run single high
at the fifth highest rate, almost sixty percent of the
defensive snaps against single high, Marvin Harrison Junior has a
twenty five point five percent target chare, almost three yards
per route run, and almost a twenty nine percent first
reach here.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
So is this a tough matchup?

Speaker 1 (42:23):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (42:25):
Is Marvin Harrison Junior still possibly gonna pop off for
a big game?

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Yes, as well.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
It's he maybe popped off and the coverage scheme helped
him do that last week. But like it hasn't been
volume based, it was efficiency based. He hasn't seen more
than seven targets in any of his last five games.
So I've got him wide receiver nineteen and that almost
feels generous based on the usage lately. I just I

(42:52):
want to see him more involved, Like I want to
see double digit target games, and we just haven't been
getting them.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Yeah, I mean only two games is the top twenty
receivers this season, and one of them he got all
of his production in one quarter. Quarter. Yeah, it's been
like five quarters of total you know, productive, you know,
you know performance from him. So yeah, it it's weird
because like it really took me a while to start saying, okay,
maybe he shouldn't be ranked in that like top twelve

(43:19):
fifteen range, and I came around on that, and then
you see this kind of bounce back game, and it's
it's always a question, you know, for a ton of
players every year, like how quickly do you then go
back to this is the guy we expected versus this
is the guy we've seen, and maybe this is kind
of the outlier performance. So I'll be really curious to
see how he does again in this matchup with the Bears.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Just a note on the Rams eight highest single high
rate and now he gets a team that's top five.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
Yeah, it's good. It's a good note. Speaking of the Rams.
Rams at Seahawks is our next game. Now. Originally, when
I put this together, Pukunukua had not left practice with
the knee issue, so the original question was phrased as
Now that both are back and healthy, Kunakua Cooper Cup
both belong in the top ten of Fantasy Wide receivers Puka.
For those who missed it, I can't imagine many people

(44:07):
did miss it, left practice with any issue. They described
it like from the Beat reporting and from the team
as a very minor. We're currently in our are they
playing tool giving Puka seventy one chance to play? That's
based on one healthy practice, one limited, and some of
the reporting. But you guys kind of feel differently. It
sounds like from what we were talking about before the show.

(44:28):
So I guess let's instead of treating these guys as healthy,
let's just turn this into a conversation about this receiving
game for this week. You know, Pookinakua, with him limited
or even possibly missing this game, how are you treating
Cooper Cup depro.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
I've got Cooper Cup at wide receiver ten, and let's
put unless Pooka misses it, I'm probably not bumping him
much higher than that.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Well, no, I take that back.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
I mean, I think if Pooka's out or we get
more pessimistic news today or through the weekend, then Cooper
Cup probably goes up to wide receiver seven for me,
I just dropped Pookah to wide receiver fifteen. I'm more concerned, man,
like this, what kind of injury reporting have we seen
out of this team? Oh, we don't know if Puka's

(45:15):
gonna play a full time role. Okay, that happens. Oh
we get no news about Jordan Whittington being hurt and
not playing at all because people were starting him and
then he plays nothing in one of the games.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
Like, so, counting this a little coal division, man, The
forty nine ers with the McCaffrey stuff early in the year,
the Rams lately, the Seahawks never have their injury reports
out of them. This whole division is just like playing
fastest for injury reporting.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
It's absolutely frustrating, man.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
So I I mean, if we're getting news right now
definitively that he is one hundred percent not going to
be one hundred percent, like it, that's the fact he's
not going to be one hundred percent going into this game.
People need to kind of treat this with kid gloves
right now. And some of that's bumping up Cooper Cup
at the ranks, and some of that's dropping Pooka Nakua

(46:01):
and depending on what other options, Like, if you're in
an eight or a ten team league and you've got
other like Studeley options, you might even consider sitting Pooka
Nakuah depending on your options, like if you got other
really freaking good wide receivers, like I'm Marvin Harrison Junior
playing him over Puka maybe this week, Like didn't think
we're I was gonna be there. I mean I had
Puka is my way to see her five before this

(46:21):
news came out. So I love him in this matchup,
but crap man, like what how how good is his health?

Speaker 2 (46:27):
And how much does he play?

Speaker 3 (46:28):
And in just a note, supposedly, unless I read the
reports wrong, this is the same knee that he missed
time because of that's not even it's not even like,
oh it's a different leg. So yeah, I'm super concerned.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Fits how are you approaching this game given the question marks?
And also do you think Puka's gonna play or not?

Speaker 4 (46:46):
I think as we record this on Friday morning that
the Friday practice report will tell the tale. I think
if Puka practices Friday, he plays. If he does and
he's not gonna play, I kind of feel how that's
gonna be. And regardless of the size of my league.
I'd play Puka if he does practice on Friday and
is you know, cleared to go for Sunday. Yeah, I

(47:08):
mean I would be a little worried about it, Like
you have to fear that this is starting to become
maybe a chronic issue for Puka. And it's sad because,
like how enthusiastic were the Puka investors when he came
back and had the game he had against the Vikings.
And I don't know about you guys, but I watched
that game and I thought, I have to rank him

(47:29):
ahead of a Cup every week, Like he just looks
so dominant right now, Like I have to rank him
ahead of Cup, even though I still kind of like
Cup if he's healthy. So but I do think, you know,
Cup obviously a play either way, and his target out
look greatly enhanced if Puka sits. But I would still

(47:51):
play Puka if he does indeed suit up for this game.
But yeah, this is concerning long term, especially for the
Puka Dynasty investors, because you know, he had injury problems
in college. Now they're rolling over to the NFL, and
it's a shame because when this guy is right physically,
he is a top ten borderline top five receiver.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
Pat Patter, you are you bumping Cup up in the
ranks with the Puka news at all?

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (48:16):
I mean I'll probably have him like where you have him?
What wide receiver seven or wide receiver eight?

Speaker 1 (48:21):
If?

Speaker 3 (48:21):
Yeah, I've got him at wide receiver nine right now.
But I'm kind of like I'm making the conversation inside
my head right now to bump him to wide receiver seven.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
Say two kind of follow questions one, just quickly, where
are you guys ranking Stafford with this news?

Speaker 2 (48:33):
It bumps him down. It bumps him down.

Speaker 4 (48:36):
Yeah, And that's the thing, of course, I bet an
over on Stafford passing yardage right before we got the
Puka news. So right now I've got Stafford QB eleven,
and if Puka doesn't play, I'll probably haven't done at
like fourteen or fifteen.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
I mean, I've got him at QB eight. I'm dropping
him right now to probably the QB ten right now.
I do think the other the other fallout of this
that we haven't talked about. I already had him at
this ranking, but Kyraen Williams should be ranked RB one
overall this week like he is going to get used

(49:10):
a ton. This is a top three, top five matchup. Like,
I think the biggest fallout for people is like I
think Kyron is gonna smash in this game. Like he
was already set for a really good game. Now you're
telling me Puka might be limited maybe out It's not
just a cup stuff Like I think Kyron is gonna crush.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
The last thing I was gonna ask the rope before
I move out this game, do you recall was it
knee injuries? And I know Puka had a lot of
injury stuff college is one of the reasons he felt
Was it his knee or was it other it was.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
It was a lot of soft tissue stuff. I think
I think he did have some knee stuff in there,
but it was a lot of different soft tissue stuff.
Like it just it sucks, man, Like he's he's so
freaking talented, man, Like that's just where I'm like, come on, NFL,
can we just turn off injuries?

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Like has anybody and I meant to tweet this out
of the day. Have y'all also ever pulled up your leagues.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
Like in the last like two to three weeks and
just gone to waivers and almost wanted to shit a
tears seeing Brandon, I you, Chris Godwin, all these different
guys on waivers, Like I'm scrolling through names and I'm.

Speaker 4 (50:12):
Like, no, you know, yes, it's like watching the Oscars
and getting the montage of you know, deceased movie stars
at the end like that. That's how I feel like
I'm getting emotional about it. But by the way, deebro
the bold prediction that Kyen is gonna smash this week,

(50:32):
that's like prediction. You know, I know, I'm at Star
Wars movie is going to gross a lot of money
or something.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
I know, I'm out here just tossing that clickbait. You know,
Kyen's gonna just run over Seattle or shattering takes.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
I know clickbait corner from Debro Kyrine should be ranked highly.
Let's go to Lions at Packers. So just quickly odd
Jordan Love the are they playing tool with Fantasypraise dot Com,
which are our new tool this year, AI powered kind
of predictive tool about whether guys are gonna.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
Play or not.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
It does give Jordan Love an eighty seven percent chance
to play. That's based on some of the practice reporting
you know the fact that he went from it did
not practice to a limited practice on Thursday. Continue to
keep an eye on that. It is not a sure
thing that he's gonna play, but our tool does like
the possibility that he does. So the way I kind
of phrase his question was if he does play versus
if he doesn't. If Jordan Love does play, is there
anybody in this matchup that we don't love? I mean

(51:22):
even Sam la Porter, who's been in disappointment this season,
it's coming off his best week of the year. And
then on the flip side, if Love doesn't end up playing,
how far did the Packers players drop in your rankings?
Fits will start with you.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
So if Love is playing, like Watson and Wix are
the guys who are your maybe tough choices probably for
most people like on the outside looking in, But I
think Watson would probably be a little more playable than Wix,
at least based on the usage trends for the Packers,
but obviously both really sort of risk reward not safety options.

(51:58):
So whereas conversely, if Jordan Love is out, I think
Josh Shacobs and Jayden Reed are really the only guys
you want to play in this offense, like not even
Tucker Kraft because in Malik Willis's previous two starts he
had fewer than twenty passing attempts both times. So to
the Lions, like, yeah, obviously Gibbs in Montgomery and Saint
Brown are in your lineup, but I Laporta and Goff

(52:22):
are totally dependent on what your roster looks like because
those guys are our borderline like back end QB one
back end tight end one types, and maybe you have
a better option.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
You don't think we would see if Love is out
another like thirty carry game from Josh Jacobs though, right,
because the Lions are too good to do that again.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
You know, it seems like you can do that against them.

Speaker 4 (52:41):
Well, they have a good run defense or have had.
Maybe it hasn't been as lights out as it was.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
He's gonna score so much like you can't keep up
with them. It feels like that.

Speaker 4 (52:51):
So I do feel like Matt Lafleur is somewhat cognizant
of not trying to run Josh Shacobs into the ground
like the first time when Love sustained the injury in Brazil.
The next week against the Titans, like we saw some
ridiculous number of carries from Jacobs, like twenty eight or whatever,
and I was kind of exc I think it was
over thirty. I think it was like maybe it was thirty.

(53:12):
Then in week three I was kind of expecting the
same thing, and he had under twenty, and they like
mixed in more Emmanuel Wilson, I think. And now they've
got Chris Brooks too, who is running well in just
a horse. That dude's like two hundred and thirty five pounds.
So maybe it's kind of an ensemble effort. But with
Jacob's leading the way, I just I don't think that
Lafleur really wants to like consistently be giving Jacobs twenty

(53:35):
five plus carries.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
Debra, how are you looking at this game if Love
plays versus if he doesn't.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
Well, first of all, I want to attack this not
only from the a are they playing tool, because I
think that that is a fantastic tool, especially given insight
to people that you know, what am I doing?

Speaker 2 (53:50):
What do I moves?

Speaker 3 (53:50):
Do I need to make considering on if players are
playing or not? But I think the line and the
betting lines are telling us that Jordan Love plays. If not,
the total would be lower, and if not, the line
would be different. So I think it's it's practice reports.
I think the other thing in Fitzy and I were
talking about this before we turn the mics on the
fact that the Packers had Jordan Love out there yesterday

(54:11):
would have looked like from all every video I saw
that it was raining at practice. So you don't want
Jordan Love if you're that worried about his growing slipping
and sliding around on a wet practice field. So as
well as it's supposed to rain during this game, so
some of this could be okay. Can you prove to
us that you can move around in less than ideal conditions.
So I do think Jordan Love is going to play.

(54:32):
I agree with Fitzi's earlier assessment about this being a
divisional game, and the Packers are like, look, we got
any shot at the freaking division. We need to win
this game, and that is I mean, the only chance
they have to do that is with Jordan Love. I
don't think they could do that in previous weeks what
they've done with Malik Willis and going run heavy and
things like that, And so I do think Love plays.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
I think this is a huge.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
Game for Jaden Reid and Romeo Dobbs. Detroit has been
rushed by the slot. But as far as the guys
you don't want to play, and this is assuming Love plays,
I'm not playing Christian Watson. He has not been utilized
hardly at all versus single high, and I think that's
what they're going to see a ton of Detroit last year.
I mean, they're already utilizing it on over sixty percent

(55:16):
of their snaps this season. But even last year, in
the two meetings that the Packers had against the Lions,
almost sixty percent of the defensive snaps were single high
Christian Watson versus single high. This year, he's got an
eighteen percent target per route run rate one point four
yards per route run and Tucker Craft, Yeah, like if
Jordan Love plays, he's a low end tight end one.

(55:36):
If Jordan Love were to happen to miss this game,
I'm with FITZI I would sit him. It's also just
a growth. It's a horrible matchup for him. Detroit has
been legit against tight ends, second fuset receiving yards and
fantasy points allowed at the position, So I think it's
it's gonna be a tough game for him, and I
think this is gonna be a good game for Sam Laporta.
Packers have been bad versus tight ends, so his route

(55:59):
share and his targets go up in another game without
Jameson Williams.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Let's go to Colts at Vikings. Before we get to
the key question for Sunday Night's matchup, I want to
ask you guys about your Uber Eats Sunday Night Meals
of the Week debro. What must order food gets you
reaching for your Uber Eats app for great game day
deals when you think of Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
I didn't know this was a Minnesota food, but I'm
so happy to talk about it.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
I love Swedish meatballs, dude, Like it's that is probably
in the top fifteen of foods for me just in general.
So you're telling me, I'm going to a place where
it's done well, must it's a must.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
Have fits how about you?

Speaker 4 (56:39):
For me, it's the uh, It's got to be the
juicy lucy. So this is a famous kind of cheeseburger
where they bake the cheese or fry the cheese. I
guess right inside the burger. Just gotta be careful if
you're getting that fresh off the grid. All that stuff
can be like malten lava, and it is very easy
to burn the inside of your mouth.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
So like a Hamburger hot pocket sounds glorious.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (57:04):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
I some of my best friends growing up, they're you know,
families from Minnesota, and so every once in a while
when I would go over, we would have a juicy,
lucy uh extremely extremely delicious. So I fully endorse that
pick from fits I was one of my favorite parts
about doing this segment each week is like learning about
what cities have which foods because a lot of these
cities I just haven't been to or or don't associate
them with this food. I did not know that Minnesota

(57:27):
is where pizza rolls were invented. And I love a
good pizza roll. And I don't know if they're like considered,
like they perfected or they're the best, but it's if
you look atup, it's where they were invented. Uh, is
a pizza rolls. So not that they're the healthiest thing.
I can't eat them too much, but if they were healthy,
I would eat them every day. Pizza rolls are freaking.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
Lots of cheese enveloped and other things. That's the that's
the thing that I'm getting out of here. Like did
they invent hot pockets too?

Speaker 5 (57:55):
Like?

Speaker 1 (57:56):
Well? And then nice thing too is everything we just
listed Swedish meatballs and juice Lucy's and Pizza's. They're all
great for watching football. Those are all great football snacking foods. Yeah,
so I would be super on board with the whole
meal of just those two I'll put together. Honestly, it
sounds pretty delicious. There you have it, our Uber Eats
Sunday Night Meals of the week again. We got the
Juicy Lucy for fits. We've got Swedish meatballs for Debro.

(58:18):
We got pizza rolls for myself. Uber Eats has the
best game day deals all season long, order now for
game day. The other one I was considering I didn't
pick was bunt cake, which.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Is very cakes. I looked at it too. Yeah, I'll
look at it too. Man, we have a nothing bunt
cake place near my house. I can't say that.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
I don't, you know, gain five to ten pounds during
the NFL season because of it.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
I believe it. I would do the same. All right,
let's get into this game. Joe Flacco is starting against
the Vikings this week. How do we like Flacco and
the Colts pass catchers going up against this ferocious Vikings
pass rush debro.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
I mean, i'm, i'm, I think Flacco is gonna throw
the ball a lot in this game. So I think
for the volume, you know, okay, fire him up as
a QB two in super flex leagues. As far as
his efficiency and stuff, I'm very worried about it. We
know that Flores is gonna blitz thee every living crap
out of him. They lead the NFL and blitz rate
amongst thirty five thirty six qualifying quarterbacks, Joe Flacco twenty

(59:19):
ninth and passing grade thirty fifth, almost dead last in
yards per attemph versus the blitz.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
So that's not good.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
Michael Pittman, I am gonna definitely have him low this week.
I think this is a Josh Downs week, and I
know again or shattering takes. I know Josh Downs has
been really good, I know crazy, but Minnesota has struggled
against slot wide receivers. They're allowed in the third most
fantasy points per game, six most receiving yards per game

(59:47):
to opposing slot wide receivers, so I think it's probably
more of a down game for Pittman. But fire up
Josh Downs, Man, I'm gonna have him comfortably as a
top twenty four guy this week.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
I know you're being sarcastic about uh your shattering take.
Fitz actually does not agree with you, based on our
conversation yesterday.

Speaker 4 (01:00:05):
Yeah, just well Downs in the inside the top twenty
at wide receiver in ECR. And I'm just I'm not
there on Josh Downs. Like everyone seems too ready to
anoint him as a superstar. And we kind of got
the same treatment with like Wandel Robinson earlier this season,
and I was a little skeptical about that. But like,
and I do like Josh Downs. I have him on

(01:00:26):
some Dynasty teams. I'm like exciting he's getting used more
smooth mover, sure handed, you know, some real elusiveness. But like,
I'm just not ready to grant superstar status to a
guy who just had a second one hundred yard game
of his career last week and who has five touchdowns
in twenty three career games. Like, so let's let's see

(01:00:48):
a little more. And like you, Debro, I hate this
matchup for the cults passing game. US Bank Stadium is
a tough place to play Man and Brian Flores, like,
you know, so the Vikings are going to be spitting
fire after losing two straights. They're gonna blitz Flacco like crazy,
and he's not the most mobile guy. We know that

(01:01:10):
the DraftKings odds on an interception for Joe Flacco minus
one forty five, and I might have put one of
my children's college funds on that. The over the over
half an interception on Joe Flacco minus one forty five.
So yes, I've pretty aggressively bet that one. So yeah,
I mean, I think the Vikings are going to smoke

(01:01:31):
the Colts this week. And though I do have Downs
ranked inside starter range, like, I'm not wildly excited about him,
and I'm not wildly excited about Pittman either, But I'm
also not totally sure that Downs is the better play
than Pittman. And I know Pittman might not be one
hundred percent with this back issue he's been having, but
like on a week to week basis, I'm not one

(01:01:51):
hundred percent sure that I'm going to be ranking Downs
over Pittman every week. And maybe, as Debro has pointed out,
this is a matchup that favors the slot receiver. But
like people are making kind of a leap of faith
with Josh Downes that I'm not ready to make yet.
And maybe I'll be, you know, put in my place
if he has one hundred and fifty yard game with
two touchdowns this week. But until we get there, I'm

(01:02:14):
not there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
I want to mention one more thing on Josh Downs.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
Could he have been the guy we didn't talk enough
about the entire offseason because we talk about all the
time investing in talented second year wide receivers that flash
in their rookie season. Could he be the guy that
we didn't talk enough during the off season about that
correlation with right now full season pace for Josh Downs

(01:02:40):
one hundred and thirty three targets, ninety one receptions, almost
one thousand receiving yards, and eight touchdowns. That's the pace
he's on right now.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
Wide receiver nineteen in ECR this week. By the way,
just quickly before we get off this game, Deebro, do
you think Flaka gives him the better chance to win
this week? And I think going forward you can make
the argument. Certainly, yes, Flacos played well this year, but
in this particular batchup like I think both quarterbacks would
struggle against the viki's defense, truthfully, but I just so

(01:03:10):
worry about a statue like Joe and I love Joe
Flacco obviously, but I just a statue going up against
his pass rush terrifies me.

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
I think both these quarterbacks were struggling in this matchup,
whether it's a rich or Joe Flacco.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
I think I've been.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
Extremely on the other side as far as a lot
of consensus, which I saw a lot of people kind
of pandering and reversing those takes. The more news we
got that came out about the Colts, I think I'm sorry,
I just I don't agree with playing Joe Flacco. I
don't care if you make the wild card. I think that,
like I understand the locker room and all this kind

(01:03:45):
of stuff. How much are they worried about the locker
room for everybody that's that's you know, caping up for
all the locker room narratives. Yeah, because the coach cares
a lot about the locker room that he didn't even
talk to or didn't even discuss anything with his players.
They found out through social media that their quarterback was
getting benched. So yeah, your locker room. But anyway, I
don't agree with him benching Anthony Richardson for the outlook

(01:04:06):
of this franchise.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
But I think I agree that. I think both quarterbacks
have struggle here.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
So let's go to the last game of the week
Buccaneers at Chiefs fits. Kate Otten is tight end six
in ECR half PPR rankings this week.

Speaker 4 (01:04:21):
Is that too high, too low?

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
Or just right? Coming off of two weeks where he
could bind four twenty targets, seventeen catches, one hundred and
eighty one yards and two touchdowns.

Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
Yeah, just right. I have him at te six behind
Travis Kelcey Brockbowers, David Njoku, Trey McBride, and Evan Ingram.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
H Debra.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
I've got him at tight end five behind Kelsey, Bauers,
McBride and Ingram. Dude, Kate Otten's been so freaking good,
and I think, again we talked about last week, he
should be a high end flex like you should be
playing him as basically a wide receiver three in your
lineups like last week, twenty percent targets here, thirty percent

(01:05:04):
first reach here, that's that's alpha level first read target
chare like, plus you you married that with the matchup.
Kansas City is one of the best matchups on the
board for tight ends. Second most receiving yards, third most
Fantasy points per game. The last little nugget, and this,
this is eye popping, Like I'm gonna tweet this out.
Since Week four, Kate Otten has averaged fifteen Fantasy points

(01:05:27):
per game. And to put that in perspective for people
the entirety of the season, that's equal with Brock Bowers.
That is equal with Terry McLaurin for the entire season.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
Uh well, you guys kind of answered it by telling
me who was ranked ahead of him. But I was
going to ask, like Kate Otten versus Kyle Pitts, because
it's two tight ends that we like. It sounds like
you both have hot in the head.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
Hot in the head. Yeah, but I would be I
would be flexing pits.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
This week, I think the season. Would you rather have
Pits ahead of at and rest of the season.

Speaker 4 (01:05:55):
I'd rather have Pits because Mike Evans at some point.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
Yeah, yeah, I'd rather have Pits.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
To just again, this is this goes back to not
just a volume but a talent perspective. I think for
all talent, I don't think anybody's gonna make the case
for Kad Ott and over Kyle Pitts and roll talent volume.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
You would think Aten will still be because he'll be
the number two target even once Mike Evans comes back,
I meant coming back, and Pitts is still gonna be
somewhere like two three four, I mean depending on the game.
So but yeah, obviously talent is is.

Speaker 4 (01:06:23):
He's sort of he's sort of Tampa's answer to Jake Ferguson,
a guy who's not like wild talented, but just get
this elevated role. He's a very capable pass catcher, you know,
playing in an offense that really needs him to step
up and play a big role.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
That's a damn good call twenty twenty four k Ott
and his twenty twenty three Jake Ferguson mount then and
they'll god hang that in the loof fancy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
That's a wonderful call.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
By the way, in our in our dynasty league that
the three of us are in, I have Bowers, Pits
and Kate Otten. So if one of you guys is
going to get trade for a tight end, please Trey Benson.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
Trey Benson for Kyle Pits, let's do it. I'm still
waiting on the offer one. I'm talking about it, but
my bars don't gather us there. Best of lucky in
your Week nine matchups, everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
I hope everybody had a good Halloween and is excited
for this, you know, November December. That's real football. So
excited to get to this time of year and getting
closer and closer to the fantasy playoffs. Four fits and Debro.
I'm Ryan warmly thank you everybody for tuning in and
we'll see again next time.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
Stuffing and cuffing season, Let's go.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
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