May 26, 2023 • 15 mins
Colin gives his instant reaction to the Celtics taking Game 5 of the Eastern Conference Finals and drawing the series closer at 3-2 heading into Game 6. He also touches on some non-sports topics, including Twitter’s decline under Elon Musk and why he sides with the Hollywood writers in their current strike.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. Hi, everybody, welcome in for an instant reaction.
As the Celtics cut the Miami Heat series lead. The
three to two Celtics took control. We figured they would
(00:25):
no Gabe Vincent, Tyler Harroll could never play in this series,
and the last couple of games Miami has really felt
like they were down a shooter or two. Both teams
actually shot the ball very well tonight, according to Stan
Van Gundy. He said at the end of the game,
Boston was like, I don't know thirty eight and two
when they shot over forty percent on threes this year,
(00:46):
and they did again tonight. So they've quickened the pace
since being down three to zero in the series. They're
moving it. That means they're getting better shots. There are
excuses and there are reasons. I don't think Miami's talented
enough to miss both Tyler Hero and Gabe Vincent and
went on the road. I think They're going to go
back home and win and shut out the series, and
(01:07):
then Tyler Hero and Vincent will both be available for
the Denver Nuggets, and I think it's a really good finals.
I don't care what their ratings are, you know, I
was thinking about this is that I've probably bounced around
the country just because of my job more than the
average person. Some of you have lived one or two
other places, but you know, as many of you know,
I grew up in the Northwest, and then I went
(01:28):
to Vegas, and then I went to Tampa. Then I
went back to the Northwest. That I went to the
East Coast, which I love for eleven years, and then
now I'm in Los Angeles. So I don't have this
burning loyalty or passion for individual teams. There are certain
players I really liked Tom Brady Lebron. Obviously, I'm a
(01:49):
fan of the Warriors, but I was a fan of
the Patriots when I lived in the Northeast, just because
of the efficiency and the intelligence of the coaching and
the players. I like smart sports. I like Lincoln Riley.
I think he's really smart. I like Jim Harbaugh. I
think he's really smart. My wife grew up in Michigan.
Why would I like the Wolverines. I just think Harball
wins everywhere. His teams get tough, they get efficient, they
(02:13):
get smart. So I'm kind of wherever I move, I
watch sports for that region heavily. I can remember being
in the Northeast and really getting into the Red Sox,
really getting into the Yankee Series, and then loving the
vacation in Rhode Island and Nantucket. I still miss it.
I still miss the Northeast. I go there every summer.
So I don't have this birding loyalty or passion for
(02:34):
any one team, maybe outside of USC football, which I
like poking people in the ribs. I don't even know
if I like them as much as I say I do,
but I like to irritate people sometimes it's a personality flaw.
But I do think there I root for interesting. I
think Boston's a fascinating team. If they lose, if they win,
they're back in the finals. They could certainly beat Denver.
(02:56):
I would take Denver, but it would be very close.
I think Denver would have the better coach, a dominant
the best player in Jokich, and multiple scores. I think
Boston would be the better defensive team. I think Denver
would be the more efficient offensive team, with an edge
clearly in coaching. Plus it's harder to win in Denver,
certainly this year if you look at the Celtics record,
(03:17):
than it is to win in Boston. So I would
take them in like six games, the Nuggets. But there
are certain teams, and I think Boston's one of those.
When you get a franchise that has great history and
high expectations like the Celtics, and they have this group
and they can't quite get the ring yet. Now Tatum's
only twenty five. You got to be patient. But you know,
(03:38):
this is a city that's had Bill Russell with eleven titles,
Bobby Orr and the Bruins KG and the Celtics won
a title, Paul Pierce Reel and Coach Dock Rivers. So
there's a history here that when they're good, they win,
and this team is one of those. When they're really good,
they didn't win last year and they just feel like
they don't quite deliver in big games, often at home.
(04:02):
So I think Miami goes and wins again. But I
think I think the Celtics are a fascinating team. And
remember both Jalen Brown and Tatum have qualified for the Max,
so they have to pay over six hundred million dollars
to those two players. Now, if they come back, Dad
is going to absolutely limit what you can surround them with,
and you're not going to be able to just go
(04:23):
get a brogged in and you're going to be thin.
I mean, that's the reality is. Once you pay multiple players,
you don't have much of a bench. So, like I
think this is really a results driven decision. If they
can win a championship, you pay them the money. If
they can't get to the final, I think you have
(04:43):
to consider moving Jalen Brown because I think you can
get a ton form. One of the things I've learned
through the years watching sports, and never every time you
think a player is unmovable John Wall Westbrook, somebody always
one on talent, somebody always thinks they can solve a
player's issue, don't kid yourself. Jalen Brown has no issues.
(05:07):
His hands injured, so he's not shooting it particularly well.
You could get you could get first round picks, you
could get a starter and a bench player. You could
get a ton for Jalen Brown. And this idea that
you know when I throw out my Warriors idea, Wiggins
a draft pick in Jordan Poole. Whether it happens or not,
(05:28):
if you can't get to the finals, this was the
year to get to the finals. Mbiden Harden unraveled, Miami
knocked him off for you. Miami was down, Tyler Hero,
twenty point a game guy. Cavaliers were too young. Tibbs
is a culture guy. He's too RIGI and the Knicks
are absolutely going to get somebody and be better next year,
(05:48):
Like this is the year to win it. The Bucks
got bounced. They were too old. It was laid out
for you. And by the way, Victor Oladipo comes back
next year, Tyler Hero, if you played the Heat again,
would be back next year. So this will be a
better Miami team next year. So this is the year.
If you can't get to the finals, get there. Got
(06:09):
to take phone calls. So it's very results based decision
for the Celtics, which I think makes Game six in
Miami absolutely fascinating. If Gabe Vincent plays, I take Miami close,
Miami four or five points. First three went to the Heat,
(06:29):
next to go to the Celtics. It's been a streaky series.
I'd take Miami all right, quick break two non sports topics.
I'm not going to see you guys for a week
right after this. How great have the NBA Playoffs been
so far? If you live in one of those cities
and wanted to go to the games, there is only
(06:50):
one place to get tickets. The game Time App the
fastest growing ticketing app in the US for last minute
amazing deals. They don't stop with the NBA. They do baseball, hockey, concerts,
comedy shows too. Download the game Time App and use
(07:10):
the code colin cliin get twenty dollars off your first
purchase twenty bucks off first purchase. Terms apply again. Download
the game Time App. Use the code colin seeli in
last minute tickets, lowest prices guaranteed. The game Time App
(07:35):
the fastest growing sports app in the United States. Use
the code colin ceeliin so two non sports topics. So
one of the things that's a big turnoff for me
in the political media. And there's a handful of people
(07:56):
I really respect and like, but if I know, I
know which way you're leaning, it's kind of a non
starter for me. I'm not really interested in partisan politics
from reporters and pundits, and it's very, very hard to
find those people. So when Elon Musk bought Twitter, the media,
the conservative media all supported him. Left leaning media didn't
(08:20):
give him a chance. And my takeaway is, I'm a
pretty independent voter. I've voted for you know right and left,
and I feel like sometimes I'm on a very small
island with non crazy people and everybody twenty percent of
conservatives are batshit crazy far right, and twenty percent of
(08:40):
liberals are left of Hollywood. I just feel like there's
this island and I'm on it. Of independence who socially
lean left and maybe fiscally or moderates or lean right.
I know there's a lot more people we think because
they don't go on Twitter. Remember, ninety five million Americans
are on Twitter. The country has three hundred and thirty
(09:01):
five million people. Most people are not on sixty five
seventy percent of Americans are not engaged on social media
giving you their opinion. So the independence and the moderates,
they're mostly mostly not hanging out. So I felt with
Elon Musk taking over Twitter, I just wanted to give
him a fair shake, and I said it, I'm going
to give him three four months I started the volume.
(09:23):
It took me nine months to a year to hire
a staff management. We made a lot of mistakes, So
you have a right when you buy a company for
forty some billion dollars to make mistakes. But I will
say I'm never going to leave Twitter, and if I do,
I'm not going to announce it. I don't need the attention.
If I'm going to leave it, I'm going to leave it.
But my takeaway is it's gotten significantly worse. Too many
(09:46):
fight videos, too much violence, too many small commercials. I'm
constantly muting. I probably I was never somebody who blocked
a ton of people, and mostly just mute people who
are annoying or trolls. I have a lot of filters
on mind, so I don't really see a lot, nor
I don't run it all the time. I have people
on my staff at the volume or FS one that
kind of run all my social I have I think
(10:07):
seven eight social accounts. I don't know the password to
any of them. Twitter is the only one I'm on.
So I don't follow a lot and read a lot,
but I do from time to time. I go and
read articles and I want to see the response of
people to other people's articles. It's more nasty comments, way
more violence, too many commercials, and for me, it's a
(10:28):
massive turn off. So instead of complaining about it, I
just I just don't go on it much. And you know, Friday,
when my show's over, a lot of times, I'll put
that puppy down until Sunday. Maybe I'll have somebody on
the staff tweet stuff. But I try to be fair.
I try to be reasonable. I think Twitter's never been
more corrosive. I think those images of constant violence, I
(10:51):
think they're bad on your psyche. I think they're I
think they're bad for all of us. Left right, independent, man, woman,
old young. I think it's bad for all of us.
So I gave Elon Musk a shot. It's not political.
I couldn't give a rip. It's just Twitter today is
ugle ear that it's been, and I go on it less.
(11:13):
Second opinion I had, there's a big writers strike, and
you know, nobody outside of you know, LA and Hollywood
cares much about what Hollywood thinks. But I will tell
you I've known two or three people in my life
who are actors, not many, and I've known a half
dozen writers, and I always had I always try to simplify,
(11:38):
you know, complex negotiations. Maybe I'm not smart enough to
figure out the complex stuff. But I always thought my
wife and I'll sit down and watch a streaming show
and she really gets into him, and she's got a
really good eye for writing, and we will if we
start a Hulu show or a Netflix show, or an
Amazon Prime show or a Paramount show, whatever it is.
(11:59):
I like Acorn, which is more British stuff. It feels
more realistic. People don't look like Ryan Gosling, you know,
or Tom Cruise. It doesn't matter who the actors are.
If the writing is poor, we'll turn it off. We'll
give it about ten minutes. If the writing stinks, I mean,
if the writing's bad early, if you can't sell me
in the first ten minutes, then what's the middle of
(12:21):
it going to sound like? And so I bet you
I've watched a dozen streaming shows, Acorn, Hulu. I don't
know any of the actors. Now I don't buy People magazine.
I'm not into that stuff. But I don't know any
of the actors, and I'm completely utterly captivated because the
writing's great. There's a reason even great actors Robert de Niro,
(12:45):
Kevin Costner, Denzel Washington, Hanks, Michael Keaton, there's a reason
they've been in bad movies. They didn't become worse actors.
The writing sucked. And one of the things I was
told very early in this business that musicians get taken
for a ride because the suits, you know, the corporate
(13:09):
heads always looked at musicians as really vulnerable and not
really paying attention to the bottom line before it was
too late. And second in that was you know, in
Hollywood a lot of times, you know, they put their
thumb on the people. I mean, if you didn't have
a union for writers, you think they'd pay them. So
(13:33):
I've always fallen on the writers. Just watching television, A
very simplistic solution is good writers equal good series. Doesn't
matter how good the acting is. Now I'm not saying
I always feel like with actors there are a little
bit like play by play announcers. I've never watched as
good as Joe Buck and Troy Akminar, as good as
(13:54):
Jim nance is now Michaels. I've never watched a game
because of them, but they do have an ability to
elevate my experience of the game. Now, in an opinion
show or a talk show, I will watch Bill Maher's
show only if Bill Maher is on, and that's why
he makes more. I will only listen to a podcast
if the star podcaster is on. Play by play, guys,
(14:17):
I'm going to watch the game, a bad guy can
erode the quality of the experience. I feel the same
way with actors. I'm not saying that Tom Hanks doesn't
make a movie better. Don Cheadle, Ed Norton, Meryl Streem.
I'm not saying they don't make a movie better. But
if the writing's good, I really don't care about the actors.
I really don't. For all the technology and all the
(14:40):
advancements in society, very few things are more entertaining to
me and make me happier than a great movie or
a great streaming show at a great sporting event on TV.
Maybe I'm a old school I love sit in front
of a and watch a great movie, a great streaming show,
(15:02):
or a great game. And who creates great sports the athletes,
but they need coaches. Who creates the great streaming shows?
The actors, and they need great writers. So as I
drive around, I'm one of those nerds who occasionally honks
(15:22):
to show support for the writers. It's very liberal of me.
I'm going on a vacation with my son talking a week.
(15:47):
The volume
The volume. Hi, everybody, welcome in for an instant reaction.
As the Celtics cut the Miami Heat series lead. The
three to two Celtics took control. We figured they would
(00:25):
no Gabe Vincent, Tyler Harroll could never play in this series,
and the last couple of games Miami has really felt
like they were down a shooter or two. Both teams
actually shot the ball very well tonight, according to Stan
Van Gundy. He said at the end of the game,
Boston was like, I don't know thirty eight and two
when they shot over forty percent on threes this year,
(00:46):
and they did again tonight. So they've quickened the pace
since being down three to zero in the series. They're
moving it. That means they're getting better shots. There are
excuses and there are reasons. I don't think Miami's talented
enough to miss both Tyler Hero and Gabe Vincent and
went on the road. I think They're going to go
back home and win and shut out the series, and
(01:07):
then Tyler Hero and Vincent will both be available for
the Denver Nuggets, and I think it's a really good finals.
I don't care what their ratings are, you know, I
was thinking about this is that I've probably bounced around
the country just because of my job more than the
average person. Some of you have lived one or two
other places, but you know, as many of you know,
I grew up in the Northwest, and then I went
(01:28):
to Vegas, and then I went to Tampa. Then I
went back to the Northwest. That I went to the
East Coast, which I love for eleven years, and then
now I'm in Los Angeles. So I don't have this
burning loyalty or passion for individual teams. There are certain
players I really liked Tom Brady Lebron. Obviously, I'm a
(01:49):
fan of the Warriors, but I was a fan of
the Patriots when I lived in the Northeast, just because
of the efficiency and the intelligence of the coaching and
the players. I like smart sports. I like Lincoln Riley.
I think he's really smart. I like Jim Harbaugh. I
think he's really smart. My wife grew up in Michigan.
Why would I like the Wolverines. I just think Harball
wins everywhere. His teams get tough, they get efficient, they
(02:13):
get smart. So I'm kind of wherever I move, I
watch sports for that region heavily. I can remember being
in the Northeast and really getting into the Red Sox,
really getting into the Yankee Series, and then loving the
vacation in Rhode Island and Nantucket. I still miss it.
I still miss the Northeast. I go there every summer.
So I don't have this birding loyalty or passion for
(02:34):
any one team, maybe outside of USC football, which I
like poking people in the ribs. I don't even know
if I like them as much as I say I do,
but I like to irritate people sometimes it's a personality flaw.
But I do think there I root for interesting. I
think Boston's a fascinating team. If they lose, if they win,
they're back in the finals. They could certainly beat Denver.
(02:56):
I would take Denver, but it would be very close.
I think Denver would have the better coach, a dominant
the best player in Jokich, and multiple scores. I think
Boston would be the better defensive team. I think Denver
would be the more efficient offensive team, with an edge
clearly in coaching. Plus it's harder to win in Denver,
certainly this year if you look at the Celtics record,
(03:17):
than it is to win in Boston. So I would
take them in like six games, the Nuggets. But there
are certain teams, and I think Boston's one of those.
When you get a franchise that has great history and
high expectations like the Celtics, and they have this group
and they can't quite get the ring yet. Now Tatum's
only twenty five. You got to be patient. But you know,
(03:38):
this is a city that's had Bill Russell with eleven titles,
Bobby Orr and the Bruins KG and the Celtics won
a title, Paul Pierce Reel and Coach Dock Rivers. So
there's a history here that when they're good, they win,
and this team is one of those. When they're really good,
they didn't win last year and they just feel like
they don't quite deliver in big games, often at home.
(04:02):
So I think Miami goes and wins again. But I
think I think the Celtics are a fascinating team. And
remember both Jalen Brown and Tatum have qualified for the Max,
so they have to pay over six hundred million dollars
to those two players. Now, if they come back, Dad
is going to absolutely limit what you can surround them with,
and you're not going to be able to just go
(04:23):
get a brogged in and you're going to be thin.
I mean, that's the reality is. Once you pay multiple players,
you don't have much of a bench. So, like I
think this is really a results driven decision. If they
can win a championship, you pay them the money. If
they can't get to the final, I think you have
(04:43):
to consider moving Jalen Brown because I think you can
get a ton form. One of the things I've learned
through the years watching sports, and never every time you
think a player is unmovable John Wall Westbrook, somebody always
one on talent, somebody always thinks they can solve a
player's issue, don't kid yourself. Jalen Brown has no issues.
(05:07):
His hands injured, so he's not shooting it particularly well.
You could get you could get first round picks, you
could get a starter and a bench player. You could
get a ton for Jalen Brown. And this idea that
you know when I throw out my Warriors idea, Wiggins
a draft pick in Jordan Poole. Whether it happens or not,
(05:28):
if you can't get to the finals, this was the
year to get to the finals. Mbiden Harden unraveled, Miami
knocked him off for you. Miami was down, Tyler Hero,
twenty point a game guy. Cavaliers were too young. Tibbs
is a culture guy. He's too RIGI and the Knicks
are absolutely going to get somebody and be better next year,
(05:48):
Like this is the year to win it. The Bucks
got bounced. They were too old. It was laid out
for you. And by the way, Victor Oladipo comes back
next year, Tyler Hero, if you played the Heat again,
would be back next year. So this will be a
better Miami team next year. So this is the year.
If you can't get to the finals, get there. Got
(06:09):
to take phone calls. So it's very results based decision
for the Celtics, which I think makes Game six in
Miami absolutely fascinating. If Gabe Vincent plays, I take Miami close,
Miami four or five points. First three went to the Heat,
(06:29):
next to go to the Celtics. It's been a streaky series.
I'd take Miami all right, quick break two non sports topics.
I'm not going to see you guys for a week
right after this. How great have the NBA Playoffs been
so far? If you live in one of those cities
and wanted to go to the games, there is only
(06:50):
one place to get tickets. The game Time App the
fastest growing ticketing app in the US for last minute
amazing deals. They don't stop with the NBA. They do baseball, hockey, concerts,
comedy shows too. Download the game Time App and use
(07:10):
the code colin cliin get twenty dollars off your first
purchase twenty bucks off first purchase. Terms apply again. Download
the game Time App. Use the code colin seeli in
last minute tickets, lowest prices guaranteed. The game Time App
(07:35):
the fastest growing sports app in the United States. Use
the code colin ceeliin so two non sports topics. So
one of the things that's a big turnoff for me
in the political media. And there's a handful of people
(07:56):
I really respect and like, but if I know, I
know which way you're leaning, it's kind of a non
starter for me. I'm not really interested in partisan politics
from reporters and pundits, and it's very, very hard to
find those people. So when Elon Musk bought Twitter, the media,
the conservative media all supported him. Left leaning media didn't
(08:20):
give him a chance. And my takeaway is, I'm a
pretty independent voter. I've voted for you know right and left,
and I feel like sometimes I'm on a very small
island with non crazy people and everybody twenty percent of
conservatives are batshit crazy far right, and twenty percent of
(08:40):
liberals are left of Hollywood. I just feel like there's
this island and I'm on it. Of independence who socially
lean left and maybe fiscally or moderates or lean right.
I know there's a lot more people we think because
they don't go on Twitter. Remember, ninety five million Americans
are on Twitter. The country has three hundred and thirty
(09:01):
five million people. Most people are not on sixty five
seventy percent of Americans are not engaged on social media
giving you their opinion. So the independence and the moderates,
they're mostly mostly not hanging out. So I felt with
Elon Musk taking over Twitter, I just wanted to give
him a fair shake, and I said it, I'm going
to give him three four months I started the volume.
(09:23):
It took me nine months to a year to hire
a staff management. We made a lot of mistakes, So
you have a right when you buy a company for
forty some billion dollars to make mistakes. But I will
say I'm never going to leave Twitter, and if I do,
I'm not going to announce it. I don't need the attention.
If I'm going to leave it, I'm going to leave it.
But my takeaway is it's gotten significantly worse. Too many
(09:46):
fight videos, too much violence, too many small commercials. I'm
constantly muting. I probably I was never somebody who blocked
a ton of people, and mostly just mute people who
are annoying or trolls. I have a lot of filters
on mind, so I don't really see a lot, nor
I don't run it all the time. I have people
on my staff at the volume or FS one that
kind of run all my social I have I think
(10:07):
seven eight social accounts. I don't know the password to
any of them. Twitter is the only one I'm on.
So I don't follow a lot and read a lot,
but I do from time to time. I go and
read articles and I want to see the response of
people to other people's articles. It's more nasty comments, way
more violence, too many commercials, and for me, it's a
(10:28):
massive turn off. So instead of complaining about it, I
just I just don't go on it much. And you know, Friday,
when my show's over, a lot of times, I'll put
that puppy down until Sunday. Maybe I'll have somebody on
the staff tweet stuff. But I try to be fair.
I try to be reasonable. I think Twitter's never been
more corrosive. I think those images of constant violence, I
(10:51):
think they're bad on your psyche. I think they're I
think they're bad for all of us. Left right, independent, man, woman,
old young. I think it's bad for all of us.
So I gave Elon Musk a shot. It's not political.
I couldn't give a rip. It's just Twitter today is
ugle ear that it's been, and I go on it less.
(11:13):
Second opinion I had, there's a big writers strike, and
you know, nobody outside of you know, LA and Hollywood
cares much about what Hollywood thinks. But I will tell
you I've known two or three people in my life
who are actors, not many, and I've known a half
dozen writers, and I always had I always try to simplify,
(11:38):
you know, complex negotiations. Maybe I'm not smart enough to
figure out the complex stuff. But I always thought my
wife and I'll sit down and watch a streaming show
and she really gets into him, and she's got a
really good eye for writing, and we will if we
start a Hulu show or a Netflix show, or an
Amazon Prime show or a Paramount show, whatever it is.
(11:59):
I like Acorn, which is more British stuff. It feels
more realistic. People don't look like Ryan Gosling, you know,
or Tom Cruise. It doesn't matter who the actors are.
If the writing is poor, we'll turn it off. We'll
give it about ten minutes. If the writing stinks, I mean,
if the writing's bad early, if you can't sell me
in the first ten minutes, then what's the middle of
(12:21):
it going to sound like? And so I bet you
I've watched a dozen streaming shows, Acorn, Hulu. I don't
know any of the actors. Now I don't buy People magazine.
I'm not into that stuff. But I don't know any
of the actors, and I'm completely utterly captivated because the
writing's great. There's a reason even great actors Robert de Niro,
(12:45):
Kevin Costner, Denzel Washington, Hanks, Michael Keaton, there's a reason
they've been in bad movies. They didn't become worse actors.
The writing sucked. And one of the things I was
told very early in this business that musicians get taken
for a ride because the suits, you know, the corporate
(13:09):
heads always looked at musicians as really vulnerable and not
really paying attention to the bottom line before it was
too late. And second in that was you know, in
Hollywood a lot of times, you know, they put their
thumb on the people. I mean, if you didn't have
a union for writers, you think they'd pay them. So
(13:33):
I've always fallen on the writers. Just watching television, A
very simplistic solution is good writers equal good series. Doesn't
matter how good the acting is. Now I'm not saying
I always feel like with actors there are a little
bit like play by play announcers. I've never watched as
good as Joe Buck and Troy Akminar, as good as
(13:54):
Jim nance is now Michaels. I've never watched a game
because of them, but they do have an ability to
elevate my experience of the game. Now, in an opinion
show or a talk show, I will watch Bill Maher's
show only if Bill Maher is on, and that's why
he makes more. I will only listen to a podcast
if the star podcaster is on. Play by play, guys,
(14:17):
I'm going to watch the game, a bad guy can
erode the quality of the experience. I feel the same
way with actors. I'm not saying that Tom Hanks doesn't
make a movie better. Don Cheadle, Ed Norton, Meryl Streem.
I'm not saying they don't make a movie better. But
if the writing's good, I really don't care about the actors.
I really don't. For all the technology and all the
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advancements in society, very few things are more entertaining to
me and make me happier than a great movie or
a great streaming show at a great sporting event on TV.
Maybe I'm a old school I love sit in front
of a and watch a great movie, a great streaming show,
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or a great game. And who creates great sports the athletes,
but they need coaches. Who creates the great streaming shows?
The actors, and they need great writers. So as I
drive around, I'm one of those nerds who occasionally honks
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to show support for the writers. It's very liberal of me.
I'm going on a vacation with my son talking a week.
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