Some concerning news for those with immunocompromised systems has emerged. A recent study found that the vaccines are proving less effective than for people with normal immune systems. 46% of transplant patients had no antibodies after two vaccine shots and the other 54% who did develop antibodies, were at lower levels. Joe Barrett, senior Midwest correspondent at the WSJ, joins us for why immunocompromised people might be looking at booster shots to help.
Next, the summer travel season is here and it is all about the beach destinations. In previous years, the top leisure vacations we all big international cities, and now everyone is looking toward places like Miami, Cancun, Honolulu, and anywhere they can go all-inclusive. The travel industry still has a long way to go before it recovers, but planning ahead right now is more important than ever. Rani Molla, senior data reporter at Vox’s ReCode, joins us for how 2021 is the summer of resorts.
Finally, retro gaming is having a moment right now and the must have item to make it all complete is an old tube TV. Enthusiasts are looking at online marketplaces and even yard sales for CRT TVs that will match up perfectly with old pixelated game displays. It provides that nostalgia feel, hides flaws, and smooths out the experience. Aiden Moher, contributor to Wired, joins us for more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Thursday, June three. I'm Oscar Ramirez in Los Angeles,
and this is the Daily Dive. Some concerning news for
those with immuno compromise systems has emerged. A recent study
has found that vaccines are proving less effective than for
people with normal immune systems. Already, six percent of transplant
(00:21):
patients had no antibodies after two vaccine shots, and the
other who did develop anybodies were at lower levels. Joe Barrett,
Senior Midwest correspondent at The Wall Street Journal joins us
for why immuno compromised people might be looking at booster
shots to help next. The summer travel season is here
and it's all about the beach destination. In previous years,
(00:45):
the top leisure vacations were all big international cities. Now
everyone is looking towards places like Miami and Coon on
Lulu and anywhere they can go all inclusive. The travel
industry still has a long way to go to recover.
The planning ahead right now is more important than ever.
Ronnie Mola, senior data reporter at Boxes Recode, joins us
(01:06):
for is the summer of resorts Finally, Retro gaming is
having a moment right now and they must have item
to make it all complete is an old tube TV.
Enthusiasts are looking at online market places and even yard
sales for CRT TVs that will match up perfectly with
old pixelated game display. It provides that nostalgia feel, hides
(01:29):
flaws and smooths out the experience. Aidan Moher, contributor to Wired,
joins us for more. If it smooths without the noise,
let's dive in. Apparently there's sort of a theoretical risk
that it could cause organ rejection. I mean, I think that,
you know, theoretical means relatively remote. But they want to
(01:51):
do these studies just to make sure that it's safe
for people, you know, and that it's effective. Is it
worth it for them to actually get this extra shot?
About joining us now? Is Joe Barrett, Senior Midwest correspondent
at the Wall Street Journal. Thanks for joining us, Joe,
good to be here. I want to talk about the
COVID nineteen vaccine and people that have an immunocompromise system.
(02:11):
So this would be people that are transplant patients, some
people with certain cancers, things like that they take these
drugs to suppress their immune system. A new study found
out that these people are not getting the normal amount
of antibodies in their system after receiving their two doses,
you know, if they were getting Maderna or Fiser vaccines.
(02:32):
So in some cases now they're exploring a booster shot
for them. Some are trying to get monoclonal antibodies treatments
to boost their systems and protection against COVID nineteen. So, Joe,
what are we seeing in these studies? What are they
showing about these people? People with compromised immune systems always
have a little bit less of an uptake of vaccines
(02:53):
from what I understand, but it was really stark with
the COVID vaccines. The study that came out in April
showed that only about forty six percent of people who
hadn't gotten two shots had actually gotten any anybodies. And
the people who actually did get anybody's gotten less than
a person with the normal immune system. So there were
(03:13):
people out there who had gotten two shots and basically
thought they were covered, you know, like everybody else, but
it turns out many of them aren't. And you needed
to do additional testing to figure out how much immunity
you have, and you know, whether you've got any at all.
There's about ten million people in the US that take
immuno suppressants for various conditions, So that's a lot of
(03:33):
people that might know somebody in their lives that have
an immuno compromise system. The CDC has basically said that
they should operate as if they weren't even vaccinated. That's
how much they don't really know about this. And that's
the big question is is what to do. You know,
they're trying to explore options right now for how to proceed,
how to get them those antibodies. Some people consulting with
(03:56):
their doctors are going out and getting another booster shot,
but the CDC says really needs more study. I mean,
they don't. They just don't want to send people off
when they're not a hundred percent sure what the reaction
is going to be. Apparently there's sort of a theoretical
risk that it could cause organ rejection. I mean I
think that, you know, theoretical means relatively remote. But they
want to do these studies just to make sure that
(04:17):
it's safe for people, you know, and that it's effective.
Is it worth it for them to actually get this
extra shot or not? Right? And Obviously, the way everything
works out, that organ is more important than the vaccine
would be. You know, you need to take care of
that to help complete the body system more than he
would need these vaccines. So that's kind of the tough
spot to be in. You did speak to a few
(04:38):
people who are in this situation, and you know, one
of them specifically, he was a man who went out
and got another shot and his anybody levels did shoot up. Yeah, apparently,
you know anecdotally this is this is working for some
people that you know, they really haven't tested enough to
be sure that it's gonna kind of work for everybody,
(04:58):
but you know, they have been talked about, well, if
the second, if the third one doesn't work, you could
even possibly get a fourth one. If it's proving that
this is safe. There's also possible benefit from going so
you had fives room Maderna, you know, going what they
call cross platform and having your next shot be a
Johnson and Johnson like that might spur a reaction that's
different than what the other one did. And so you know,
(05:20):
there's a lot of options out there, but sort of
the CDC in its guidance as being you know, very
cautious and the thought obviously is it that it is
that cocktail of drugs that is doing something to the
vaccine that's that's causing the odd anybody's not to form. Yeah,
people you know who have had transplants, that's about five
thousand of the ten million who take immuno suppressants, they
(05:42):
take like more than one, and I guess some of
them are some of the immuno suppressants are stronger or
make the vaccine even less effective than other ones. Like,
so there are some people with lupus who might be
taking one of the drugs the transplant patients take, and
their chance of getting anybody's is just as lower, even
lower than people with the transplants. Any Anyways, it's like
(06:04):
it's kind of a complicated picture. But the transplants people
take off in more than one, and so they're sort
of the biggest group that's sort of at risk for
this all in one lump. So and so has there
been a recommendation for people who take aminos presence to
go and get tested for anybody's to see what their
levels are like right now? I don't think the testing
is very widely available at the moment, but you know,
(06:27):
they do recommend that people talk to their doctors, and
their doctors are certainly going to tell them to you
know where extra ppe, don't you know, don't act like
you can take that mask off yet because you might
not be predicted. So it's not widely recommended yet that
everybody gets tested, but it kind of seems like that's
the path for we're heading. Joe Barrett, Senior Midwest correspondent
(06:47):
at The Wall Street Journal, Thank you very much for
joining us. No problems, take care. You didn't spend any
money last year in vacations or anything. And then also
it was just a hell of a year. You know,
people want to feel like, Okay, I'm getting a break.
(07:09):
Finally I'm going to have this and when i'm so,
when I go on vacation, let's make it really luxurious
if possible. Joining us now is Ronnie Mola, senior data
reporter at Vox's Recode. Thanks for joining us, Ronnie, Thanks
for having me. I love to talk about these types
of stories for a couple of different reasons. One, we're
getting back to normal people are starting to venture out
(07:30):
into the world again. But then also purely for planning purposes,
you know, we're gonna be talking about top travel destinations,
and basically, if you're planning a vacation, you want to
do it early, you want to do it right. You
might want to go to these places we're gonna talk about.
You might want to think of some alternative places, you know,
because we were so confined at home and the only
(07:51):
way we can get out is in our own little
pods and everything. The big summer travel things were all
about road trips. Fore, it's going to be a summer resorts, leisure,
luxury trips, beach resorts, things like that. Ronnie, tell us
what we're expecting for this summer. The summer, you're going
to see a lot of North American beach resorts. Part
(08:11):
of that has to do with a lot of the
travel restrictions. You don't know what you're getting into if
you go to another country. Traditionally in the summer people
go to big international cities New York, San Francisco, Tokyo, Sydney.
You're not seeing any of that this year. You're going
to see a lot of Florida, also, Hawaii. Beaches in
Mexico so basically close by each places, and that's because
(08:35):
they offer this sort of resort package where you know,
you get a flight, you get in, you might get
picked up by the resort, and then you spend your
whole vacation for the most part on the resort, which
is a more conservative way to travel, especially if you know,
in the wake of a pandemic, when you're worried about
being exposed to too many people or too many different situations.
I think feels a little safer to people. Yeah, those
(08:57):
all inclusive packages, and one of the travel experts that
you were talking to about this put it a pretty
accurate way. I think we went from these social bubbles
and pods, very carefully curated groups of friends and family
that you would be doing stuff with. Two now bubble travel,
which is kind of this all inclusive thing. We're getting out,
we're going to other locations, but it still has that
(09:18):
feeling of safetiness because you're staying on that resort. You're
limiting yourself in that sense. Yeah, it's it's like people
are trying to limit their exposure, you know that they're
not trying to sort of wing in and say, oh,
well we'll catch a bus from here, or we maybe
we'll stop in at this city. They're trying to be
like Okay, you know, wouldn't go anywhere at all last year.
We need a break, we need a vacation. We might
(09:40):
have saved up a little extra money. What's the way
we could do this in a way that seems the safest.
And a lot of these resorts are also requiring either
COVID tests beforehand or on site, so it gives people
at least the feeling of safety. Yeah, and you mentioned
it right there. A lot of people are splurging this
time around because they were able to save some money
last year, in large part due to not going out
(10:02):
on these vacations that people would normally do. Uh, you know,
stimulus checks, all that stuff, whatever it is. People have
saved up more money, so they're looking for these more
luxury experiences. Also, yeah, I think it's a two part thing, right, Yeah,
you didn't spend any money last year in vacations or anything.
And then also it was just a hell of a year.
You know, people want to feel like, Okay, I'm getting
(10:23):
a break, finally I'm going to have this, and when
i'm so, when I go on vacation, let's make it
really luxurious if possible. Another interesting thing about all of
this is we just came out of Memorial Day weekend,
a lot of people were traveling. You know, we're doing
these stories looking towards summer and what to expect and
all that, But the travel industry does have a long
way to recover. One of the big things when you
(10:44):
look at is cruises and cruise lines really took a
huge hit during the pandemic in part because of those closures,
and you know, there was a lot of outbreaks on
those things before that. You know, we always heard stories
about outbreaks of neuro virus even so you know that
was always kind of a thing. But cruise lines really
you do have a very loyal customer base. But still
it's going to take a while for that travel industry
(11:05):
to come back. What you're seeing in the cruise industry
is a lot what you're like what you're seeing in
the travel industry, and that's that it's recovering more quickly
in North America's recovering more quickly in the United States,
where you have higher vaccination rates. All of travel sort
of related. You know, people are going to go travel
once they're vaccinated for the most part. So if you're
seeing a lot of common US destinations recovering more quickly,
(11:26):
So the Caribbean is doing much better in cruises than
something more internationally. And that's also people traveling again for
the first time, you know, in more than a year.
It just makes sense that they want to go somewhere
like a little closer to home that feels a little
more safe than you know, going on a big international trip.
The other part of it too is you know, places
(11:47):
like vr b oh Airbnb are also going to be
impacted with a lot of people wanting to get out
their remote work. Airbnb I know is you know, aiming
at a shift at longer stays, things like twenty a
month long basically, but even you know, again going back
to that, you know, I'm planning on vacation, what are
my options? You know, a lot of these airbnbs and
(12:08):
houses places, these isolated places that have easy access to water,
mountain ranges, parks, they had really good years this past year.
And that trend is going to continue because the resorts
we were talking about, that's sort of the new trend.
But the one that's like continuing over from last year
is this idea of road trips and then vacation rentals.
So there's an estimate that there's going to be more
(12:29):
road trips this year than there were in nine, you know,
which is what you'd expect in normal years for to
get more and more. And then the vacation rental industry,
you know, things like airbnb are also is expected to
do really well again because people like having, you know,
their own house and where they could kind of stay
separate from other people. And as you mentioned, this whole
(12:49):
work from home trend where people are allowed to work
from pretty much anywhere. They're saying, hey, why don't I
go rent a place for a few weeks or a
month because I could be anywhere. Why do I have
to be in my apartment Brooklyn? You know, I could
be next to a National park. And similar to the
resort thing with these haesian rentals, the ones that are
doing best are the ones where they're located next to
something nice and outdoors, either a national park or the lakes,
(13:13):
or you know, something where people could get outside and
and do the relatively safe thing. Ronnie Mola, Senior data
reporter at Voxes Recode, thank you very much for joining us.
Thanks for having me again to you know, plug in
(13:36):
your old Supernintendo to your four k HDR glass screen.
The TV doesn't know what to do with it. It
sends out an analog signal in what's called to for
d P, which is like a low res video signal.
The TV thinks it's for a d I or four
a DP, doesn't know what to do with it. It
tries to scale it up, and I looked, really Matthew
(13:57):
and Money. Joining us now is Aidan Moher, gay journalist
and contributor to Wired. Thanks for joining us, Aiden, Hey,
thanks so much for having me. I wanted to talk
about some gaming right now, more specifically retro gaming, and
one of the I guess hottest pieces that retro gamers
are are looking for right now are actually old CRT TV.
(14:18):
So these old cathode ray tube TVs, you know, to
complete that retro gaming look. But also a lot of
times these retro games were made for these types of TV,
so it looks better than it would on you know
what we're using now, big l c D flat screens. So, Aiden,
tell us a little bit about kind of this renaissance
of retro gaming and how a lot of people are
looking for these old TVs right now. Sure, Yeah, I'm
(14:42):
in my late thirties and so I grew up gaming
on tube TVs. Right, I had a Superintendo. I had
antendo to people on the PlayStation, that's what I had,
a tube TV. I actually used a Commodore six pepore
monitor as my main gaming Michie as a as a
kid growing up. And um, these systems in the games
were designed with you know, pixel based graphics and analog
(15:03):
video signals that were meant to be fed into tps
that you know, had lower resolutions, lower fidelity, but also
really interesting technology behind them with cathode ray too that
really produced a super unique, interesting video signal and look.
And while I would say that you know, you go
back and you watch old VHS tape, they don't hold
(15:25):
up very well because the technology behind them was you know,
not not there yet. Like video technology for film and
television has come so far, and so as game but
you can't go back as effectively or easily, and like
remaster U Super Nintendo game for modern constole without a
lot of effort, and of course it happened. But if
you you know, plug in your old Super Nintendo to
(15:47):
your four k HDR flat screen, the TV doesn't know
what to do with it. It sends out an analog
signal in what's called to for d P, which is
like a low res video signal. The TV thinks it's
four eight I or four a DP, doesn't know what
to do with it. It tries to scale it up,
and I look at really mess and muddy. So there
(16:07):
are ways you can do this. You can bake it
into the software so that it operas is, or graphics
in software spits it out as a ten ADP video signal.
Or you can get an expensive failer that you would
plug into your TVs that will do that job, but
that's still outputting, you know, an analog video takenal onto
a digital screen through digital pipeline in a way that
(16:30):
was never envisioned at the time. You're right, you know
about these TVs. You know, it would flatten out some
of those uh some of those images, kind of hide
some of those imperfections, and those old pixels you know,
just really looked really good in crypts sometimes back in
the day. And I've noticed kind of this rise of
retro gaming. You know, you go on TikTok or Instagram
and you see even YouTube channels dedicated to people just
(16:52):
playing old video games and people following along just kind
of for that nostalgia factor. So you know, what do
people do if they want to get into this and
kind of get an old TV. Where should they be looking?
Because they're not making these TVs anymore. I think in
the article you not that somebody said that the secondhand
supply of these TVs might stick around for maybe about
(17:13):
a decade at most. Yeah, so they stopped making them
in around two thousand, Steve done or so. Uh. The
production pipeline for them is very complex, and they also
use a lot of like kind of nasty things inside
of them. There's a lot of landings out of these TVs.
But like they're not you know, they're not easy to produce.
So I don't expect anybody, you know to see this
rise in uh, you know, retro gaming and the desire
(17:35):
for tarts settling start producing them again. But the fact
of the matter is that there are a lot of
them to go out there, and they're most of them,
especially sort of the older ones were built like bricks
and like, you know the same way of regular original
Nintendo game Boy still works even though it was dropped
seven hundred times, you know, like every year by five
year old. A lot of these old retro crt s
(17:58):
are similar. They need a bit of you know, a
bit of loves. You can take them in and get them.
It's called recapped, or you change our capacitors inside. Those
are the things that don't age very well. But you
do that and all of a sudden, the TV looks
maybe better than it was, you know, did when it
would purchase, you know, if you put better capacitors in there.
But that's like the high end, right. We're not to
a point yet where you can't go on to a
(18:20):
Facebook marketplace or craiglist and find free TV or t
vs for ten bucks or twenty bucks. You know, people
giving them away for free as long as you'll come
pick them up. The place that I would suggest people
start is just looking online. Or you know, if you
have like a recycling drive or like a weekend where
people do a lot of like you know, you put
all your stuff out on the curb for a weekend
(18:41):
drive around your town, you might find some pretty great
old CRT s sitting on the side of the road
and they still work. The best art you can have
is the one that you can find like they all
like when they're so unique, they all any type of
model or even like the same model, but different versions
like different TV side by did just have their own
charm and their own feel. Like analog video is just
(19:03):
such a due format that like there's no bad TV
as long as it's not you know, like beyond repair
in terms of how it's a pointed video, like they
all offered something different. Aiden Moher, game journalists and contributor
to Wired, thank you very much for joining us. Yeah,
thanks so much. I always after. That's it for today.
(19:30):
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It's Thursday, June three. I'm Oscar Ramirez in Los Angeles,
and this is the Daily Dive. Some concerning news for
those with immuno compromise systems has emerged. A recent study
has found that vaccines are proving less effective than for
people with normal immune systems. Already, six percent of transplant
(00:21):
patients had no antibodies after two vaccine shots, and the
other who did develop anybodies were at lower levels. Joe Barrett,
Senior Midwest correspondent at The Wall Street Journal joins us
for why immuno compromised people might be looking at booster
shots to help next. The summer travel season is here
and it's all about the beach destination. In previous years,
(00:45):
the top leisure vacations were all big international cities. Now
everyone is looking towards places like Miami and Coon on
Lulu and anywhere they can go all inclusive. The travel
industry still has a long way to go to recover.
The planning ahead right now is more important than ever.
Ronnie Mola, senior data reporter at Boxes Recode, joins us
(01:06):
for is the summer of resorts Finally, Retro gaming is
having a moment right now and they must have item
to make it all complete is an old tube TV.
Enthusiasts are looking at online market places and even yard
sales for CRT TVs that will match up perfectly with
old pixelated game display. It provides that nostalgia feel, hides
(01:29):
flaws and smooths out the experience. Aidan Moher, contributor to Wired,
joins us for more. If it smooths without the noise,
let's dive in. Apparently there's sort of a theoretical risk
that it could cause organ rejection. I mean, I think that,
you know, theoretical means relatively remote. But they want to
(01:51):
do these studies just to make sure that it's safe
for people, you know, and that it's effective. Is it
worth it for them to actually get this extra shot?
About joining us now? Is Joe Barrett, Senior Midwest correspondent
at the Wall Street Journal. Thanks for joining us, Joe,
good to be here. I want to talk about the
COVID nineteen vaccine and people that have an immunocompromise system.
(02:11):
So this would be people that are transplant patients, some
people with certain cancers, things like that they take these
drugs to suppress their immune system. A new study found
out that these people are not getting the normal amount
of antibodies in their system after receiving their two doses,
you know, if they were getting Maderna or Fiser vaccines.
(02:32):
So in some cases now they're exploring a booster shot
for them. Some are trying to get monoclonal antibodies treatments
to boost their systems and protection against COVID nineteen. So, Joe,
what are we seeing in these studies? What are they
showing about these people? People with compromised immune systems always
have a little bit less of an uptake of vaccines
(02:53):
from what I understand, but it was really stark with
the COVID vaccines. The study that came out in April
showed that only about forty six percent of people who
hadn't gotten two shots had actually gotten any anybodies. And
the people who actually did get anybody's gotten less than
a person with the normal immune system. So there were
(03:13):
people out there who had gotten two shots and basically
thought they were covered, you know, like everybody else, but
it turns out many of them aren't. And you needed
to do additional testing to figure out how much immunity
you have, and you know, whether you've got any at all.
There's about ten million people in the US that take
immuno suppressants for various conditions, So that's a lot of
(03:33):
people that might know somebody in their lives that have
an immuno compromise system. The CDC has basically said that
they should operate as if they weren't even vaccinated. That's
how much they don't really know about this. And that's
the big question is is what to do. You know,
they're trying to explore options right now for how to proceed,
how to get them those antibodies. Some people consulting with
(03:56):
their doctors are going out and getting another booster shot,
but the CDC says really needs more study. I mean,
they don't. They just don't want to send people off
when they're not a hundred percent sure what the reaction
is going to be. Apparently there's sort of a theoretical
risk that it could cause organ rejection. I mean I
think that, you know, theoretical means relatively remote. But they
want to do these studies just to make sure that
(04:17):
it's safe for people, you know, and that it's effective.
Is it worth it for them to actually get this
extra shot or not? Right? And Obviously, the way everything
works out, that organ is more important than the vaccine
would be. You know, you need to take care of
that to help complete the body system more than he
would need these vaccines. So that's kind of the tough
spot to be in. You did speak to a few
(04:38):
people who are in this situation, and you know, one
of them specifically, he was a man who went out
and got another shot and his anybody levels did shoot up. Yeah, apparently,
you know anecdotally this is this is working for some
people that you know, they really haven't tested enough to
be sure that it's gonna kind of work for everybody,
(04:58):
but you know, they have been talked about, well, if
the second, if the third one doesn't work, you could
even possibly get a fourth one. If it's proving that
this is safe. There's also possible benefit from going so
you had fives room Maderna, you know, going what they
call cross platform and having your next shot be a
Johnson and Johnson like that might spur a reaction that's
different than what the other one did. And so you know,
(05:20):
there's a lot of options out there, but sort of
the CDC in its guidance as being you know, very
cautious and the thought obviously is it that it is
that cocktail of drugs that is doing something to the
vaccine that's that's causing the odd anybody's not to form. Yeah,
people you know who have had transplants, that's about five
thousand of the ten million who take immuno suppressants, they
(05:42):
take like more than one, and I guess some of
them are some of the immuno suppressants are stronger or
make the vaccine even less effective than other ones. Like,
so there are some people with lupus who might be
taking one of the drugs the transplant patients take, and
their chance of getting anybody's is just as lower, even
lower than people with the transplants. Any Anyways, it's like
(06:04):
it's kind of a complicated picture. But the transplants people
take off in more than one, and so they're sort
of the biggest group that's sort of at risk for
this all in one lump. So and so has there
been a recommendation for people who take aminos presence to
go and get tested for anybody's to see what their
levels are like right now? I don't think the testing
is very widely available at the moment, but you know,
(06:27):
they do recommend that people talk to their doctors, and
their doctors are certainly going to tell them to you
know where extra ppe, don't you know, don't act like
you can take that mask off yet because you might
not be predicted. So it's not widely recommended yet that
everybody gets tested, but it kind of seems like that's
the path for we're heading. Joe Barrett, Senior Midwest correspondent
(06:47):
at The Wall Street Journal, Thank you very much for
joining us. No problems, take care. You didn't spend any
money last year in vacations or anything. And then also
it was just a hell of a year. You know,
people want to feel like, Okay, I'm getting a break.
(07:09):
Finally I'm going to have this and when i'm so,
when I go on vacation, let's make it really luxurious
if possible. Joining us now is Ronnie Mola, senior data
reporter at Vox's Recode. Thanks for joining us, Ronnie, Thanks
for having me. I love to talk about these types
of stories for a couple of different reasons. One, we're
getting back to normal people are starting to venture out
(07:30):
into the world again. But then also purely for planning purposes,
you know, we're gonna be talking about top travel destinations,
and basically, if you're planning a vacation, you want to
do it early, you want to do it right. You
might want to go to these places we're gonna talk about.
You might want to think of some alternative places, you know,
because we were so confined at home and the only
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way we can get out is in our own little
pods and everything. The big summer travel things were all
about road trips. Fore, it's going to be a summer resorts, leisure,
luxury trips, beach resorts, things like that. Ronnie, tell us
what we're expecting for this summer. The summer, you're going
to see a lot of North American beach resorts. Part
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of that has to do with a lot of the
travel restrictions. You don't know what you're getting into if
you go to another country. Traditionally in the summer people
go to big international cities New York, San Francisco, Tokyo, Sydney.
You're not seeing any of that this year. You're going
to see a lot of Florida, also, Hawaii. Beaches in
Mexico so basically close by each places, and that's because
(08:35):
they offer this sort of resort package where you know,
you get a flight, you get in, you might get
picked up by the resort, and then you spend your
whole vacation for the most part on the resort, which
is a more conservative way to travel, especially if you know,
in the wake of a pandemic, when you're worried about
being exposed to too many people or too many different situations.
I think feels a little safer to people. Yeah, those
(08:57):
all inclusive packages, and one of the travel experts that
you were talking to about this put it a pretty
accurate way. I think we went from these social bubbles
and pods, very carefully curated groups of friends and family
that you would be doing stuff with. Two now bubble travel,
which is kind of this all inclusive thing. We're getting out,
we're going to other locations, but it still has that
(09:18):
feeling of safetiness because you're staying on that resort. You're
limiting yourself in that sense. Yeah, it's it's like people
are trying to limit their exposure, you know that they're
not trying to sort of wing in and say, oh,
well we'll catch a bus from here, or we maybe
we'll stop in at this city. They're trying to be
like Okay, you know, wouldn't go anywhere at all last year.
We need a break, we need a vacation. We might
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have saved up a little extra money. What's the way
we could do this in a way that seems the safest.
And a lot of these resorts are also requiring either
COVID tests beforehand or on site, so it gives people
at least the feeling of safety. Yeah, and you mentioned
it right there. A lot of people are splurging this
time around because they were able to save some money
last year, in large part due to not going out
(10:02):
on these vacations that people would normally do. Uh, you know,
stimulus checks, all that stuff, whatever it is. People have
saved up more money, so they're looking for these more
luxury experiences. Also, yeah, I think it's a two part thing, right, Yeah,
you didn't spend any money last year in vacations or anything.
And then also it was just a hell of a year.
You know, people want to feel like, Okay, I'm getting
(10:23):
a break, finally I'm going to have this, and when
i'm so, when I go on vacation, let's make it
really luxurious if possible. Another interesting thing about all of
this is we just came out of Memorial Day weekend,
a lot of people were traveling. You know, we're doing
these stories looking towards summer and what to expect and
all that, But the travel industry does have a long
way to recover. One of the big things when you
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look at is cruises and cruise lines really took a
huge hit during the pandemic in part because of those closures,
and you know, there was a lot of outbreaks on
those things before that. You know, we always heard stories
about outbreaks of neuro virus even so you know that
was always kind of a thing. But cruise lines really
you do have a very loyal customer base. But still
it's going to take a while for that travel industry
(11:05):
to come back. What you're seeing in the cruise industry
is a lot what you're like what you're seeing in
the travel industry, and that's that it's recovering more quickly
in North America's recovering more quickly in the United States,
where you have higher vaccination rates. All of travel sort
of related. You know, people are going to go travel
once they're vaccinated for the most part. So if you're
seeing a lot of common US destinations recovering more quickly,
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So the Caribbean is doing much better in cruises than
something more internationally. And that's also people traveling again for
the first time, you know, in more than a year.
It just makes sense that they want to go somewhere
like a little closer to home that feels a little
more safe than you know, going on a big international trip.
The other part of it too is you know, places
(11:47):
like vr b oh Airbnb are also going to be
impacted with a lot of people wanting to get out
their remote work. Airbnb I know is you know, aiming
at a shift at longer stays, things like twenty a
month long basically, but even you know, again going back
to that, you know, I'm planning on vacation, what are
my options? You know, a lot of these airbnbs and
(12:08):
houses places, these isolated places that have easy access to water,
mountain ranges, parks, they had really good years this past year.
And that trend is going to continue because the resorts
we were talking about, that's sort of the new trend.
But the one that's like continuing over from last year
is this idea of road trips and then vacation rentals.
So there's an estimate that there's going to be more
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road trips this year than there were in nine, you know,
which is what you'd expect in normal years for to
get more and more. And then the vacation rental industry,
you know, things like airbnb are also is expected to
do really well again because people like having, you know,
their own house and where they could kind of stay
separate from other people. And as you mentioned, this whole
(12:49):
work from home trend where people are allowed to work
from pretty much anywhere. They're saying, hey, why don't I
go rent a place for a few weeks or a
month because I could be anywhere. Why do I have
to be in my apartment Brooklyn? You know, I could
be next to a National park. And similar to the
resort thing with these haesian rentals, the ones that are
doing best are the ones where they're located next to
something nice and outdoors, either a national park or the lakes,
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or you know, something where people could get outside and
and do the relatively safe thing. Ronnie Mola, Senior data
reporter at Voxes Recode, thank you very much for joining us.
Thanks for having me again to you know, plug in
(13:36):
your old Supernintendo to your four k HDR glass screen.
The TV doesn't know what to do with it. It
sends out an analog signal in what's called to for
d P, which is like a low res video signal.
The TV thinks it's for a d I or four
a DP, doesn't know what to do with it. It
tries to scale it up, and I looked, really Matthew
(13:57):
and Money. Joining us now is Aidan Moher, gay journalist
and contributor to Wired. Thanks for joining us, Aiden, Hey,
thanks so much for having me. I wanted to talk
about some gaming right now, more specifically retro gaming, and
one of the I guess hottest pieces that retro gamers
are are looking for right now are actually old CRT TV.
(14:18):
So these old cathode ray tube TVs, you know, to
complete that retro gaming look. But also a lot of
times these retro games were made for these types of TV,
so it looks better than it would on you know
what we're using now, big l c D flat screens. So, Aiden,
tell us a little bit about kind of this renaissance
of retro gaming and how a lot of people are
looking for these old TVs right now. Sure, Yeah, I'm
(14:42):
in my late thirties and so I grew up gaming
on tube TVs. Right, I had a Superintendo. I had
antendo to people on the PlayStation, that's what I had,
a tube TV. I actually used a Commodore six pepore
monitor as my main gaming Michie as a as a
kid growing up. And um, these systems in the games
were designed with you know, pixel based graphics and analog
(15:03):
video signals that were meant to be fed into tps
that you know, had lower resolutions, lower fidelity, but also
really interesting technology behind them with cathode ray too that
really produced a super unique, interesting video signal and look.
And while I would say that you know, you go
back and you watch old VHS tape, they don't hold
(15:25):
up very well because the technology behind them was you know,
not not there yet. Like video technology for film and
television has come so far, and so as game but
you can't go back as effectively or easily, and like
remaster U Super Nintendo game for modern constole without a
lot of effort, and of course it happened. But if
you you know, plug in your old Super Nintendo to
(15:47):
your four k HDR flat screen, the TV doesn't know
what to do with it. It sends out an analog
signal in what's called to for d P, which is
like a low res video signal. The TV thinks it's
four eight I or four a DP, doesn't know what
to do with it. It tries to scale it up,
and I look at really mess and muddy. So there
(16:07):
are ways you can do this. You can bake it
into the software so that it operas is, or graphics
in software spits it out as a ten ADP video signal.
Or you can get an expensive failer that you would
plug into your TVs that will do that job, but
that's still outputting, you know, an analog video takenal onto
a digital screen through digital pipeline in a way that
(16:30):
was never envisioned at the time. You're right, you know
about these TVs. You know, it would flatten out some
of those uh some of those images, kind of hide
some of those imperfections, and those old pixels you know,
just really looked really good in crypts sometimes back in
the day. And I've noticed kind of this rise of
retro gaming. You know, you go on TikTok or Instagram
and you see even YouTube channels dedicated to people just
(16:52):
playing old video games and people following along just kind
of for that nostalgia factor. So you know, what do
people do if they want to get into this and
kind of get an old TV. Where should they be looking?
Because they're not making these TVs anymore. I think in
the article you not that somebody said that the secondhand
supply of these TVs might stick around for maybe about
(17:13):
a decade at most. Yeah, so they stopped making them
in around two thousand, Steve done or so. Uh. The
production pipeline for them is very complex, and they also
use a lot of like kind of nasty things inside
of them. There's a lot of landings out of these TVs.
But like they're not you know, they're not easy to produce.
So I don't expect anybody, you know to see this
rise in uh, you know, retro gaming and the desire
(17:35):
for tarts settling start producing them again. But the fact
of the matter is that there are a lot of
them to go out there, and they're most of them,
especially sort of the older ones were built like bricks
and like, you know the same way of regular original
Nintendo game Boy still works even though it was dropped
seven hundred times, you know, like every year by five
year old. A lot of these old retro crt s
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are similar. They need a bit of you know, a
bit of loves. You can take them in and get them.
It's called recapped, or you change our capacitors inside. Those
are the things that don't age very well. But you
do that and all of a sudden, the TV looks
maybe better than it was, you know, did when it
would purchase, you know, if you put better capacitors in there.
But that's like the high end, right. We're not to
a point yet where you can't go on to a
(18:20):
Facebook marketplace or craiglist and find free TV or t
vs for ten bucks or twenty bucks. You know, people
giving them away for free as long as you'll come
pick them up. The place that I would suggest people
start is just looking online. Or you know, if you
have like a recycling drive or like a weekend where
people do a lot of like you know, you put
all your stuff out on the curb for a weekend
(18:41):
drive around your town, you might find some pretty great
old CRT s sitting on the side of the road
and they still work. The best art you can have
is the one that you can find like they all
like when they're so unique, they all any type of
model or even like the same model, but different versions
like different TV side by did just have their own
charm and their own feel. Like analog video is just
(19:03):
such a due format that like there's no bad TV
as long as it's not you know, like beyond repair
in terms of how it's a pointed video, like they
all offered something different. Aiden Moher, game journalists and contributor
to Wired, thank you very much for joining us. Yeah,
thanks so much. I always after. That's it for today.
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