Jon Stewart and Ilana Glazer chat about Glazer’s new film, ‘Babes,’ which provides a much-needed and accurate portrayal of pregnancy and motherhood. And filmmaker, writer, actor, and artist Miranda July discusses with Desi Lydic how the topics covered in her new novel, “All Fours,” like perimenopause, traumatic childbirth, and female sexual freedom, often go undiscussed.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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We're back to show I Got Tonight.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
She's an actor and a comedian.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
She co wrote and she co wrote in stars in
the new film Babes.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Please welcome to a lot of guys here. Please No,
(00:50):
I love you.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
I just love you, John Stewart, I love you a
lot of.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
And boy, this movie is so good, thank you. And
it's so funny and you're so good in it, and
I'm just I'm thrilled to death for you.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Yeah, it's are you? Are you excited for?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
It's coming out?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
What is it coming out?
Speaker 4 (01:10):
It's coming out in select cities May seventeenth, and expands
and expands the twenty fourth.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Then did you yourself personally?
Speaker 4 (01:21):
No, just the demographics, you know.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
So, Alana Glazer didn't say I would like to go
to Louisville with my mouve. It's the relationships. So it's
it's yourself. It's Michelle Boutteaux and it's Hassin Mena plays
her husband, and he's the most wonderful husband.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
It's not believable.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
They are such a delicious couple. And also, like Michelle
keeps saying, it's giving such queens, we look like we
grew up in Queen's together.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
You know, it really does.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I have to tell you though, Like at the end,
I'm not going to give any away, but like I
did get a little like tiary.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Yeah good like it? Oh yeah, baby, why.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Would you do that?
Speaker 4 (02:03):
You feel your feelings?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
I was feeling my feelings. What about your feelings? Not
only is this about the mom?
Speaker 1 (02:08):
You're the mom? You had your Mother's Day?
Speaker 4 (02:10):
I was actually we were doing a Q and A
screening in Lincoln Square. I was with Julie Louis Dreyfuss.
I was like, happy Mother's Day to me, dog. So
I got to yeah, yeah, that's lovely Q and A
for us. I was like, thank you girl.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Okay, So she doesn't live there.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
At the Lincoln Square, AMC No, That's what I'm wondering. No,
but I'm so glad you liked it.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yeah, it's really and how did was it strange to
sit in the theater and watch it go down.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Didn't scadaddled after the Q and A.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
You don't watch the people watch the movie?
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Well, you know, I've seen it a bunch of times.
We did the test screenings too, and it was like
in Burbank or whatever. They lured people at the mall
to come see the movie and you know, give us feedback.
And so I've just seen it so many times. And
I just watched it in la at like a little
private screening and we have tomorrow the premiere.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
So how did they lure So I did that once?
And what do they do to lure them? Because I
think they should use gummies?
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Yeah, I think they use gummies. I think that's legal.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Now.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
I think I think people need work. They lore them
with employment in an employment based insurance system. So people
are just desperate.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
And they like to have the opinions.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Do they after something like that happens, do they come
does the company come to you and say, Phil, yes
from kIPS Bay for sure, said do they really?
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Yeah? Oh yeah, they definitely care about their the people's opinion,
which I do too, and like also, you take some
stuff with the grain of salt. Sometimes They're like it
was really gross, and it's like, yeah, well, you know,
you just don't usually see women talk like this or
experience pregnancy through their own voice, So I could see
why you think it's gross.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
That's the perspective of the relationship between you and Michelle, so.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Lovely and easy and just natural.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
And we've been friends for twenty years, oh for real,
for truly twenty years. So you know she is likes
a real oh big titty just oh, we are dead,
we are dead. Just Michelle loves top titty meat, our
top titty meat, just spilling over just twenty years. She
is effervescent. She is effervescent. She is she is effervescent.
(04:33):
She is vibrant, top titty meat. John Stewart, you know
what I mean. But you know, to be honest, to
be honest, like this is this is how women talk. Yes,
And you know, when we first sent this script out,
I wrote this with the we My mom just called
(04:55):
you backstage the number one mench. You're like number two
compared to Joshua, who I wrote this wrote, sorry, you
got to meet him number one, such a mensch. And
you know, when we were and Susie Fox, our producer
as we were writing this and collaborating it, we put
a list together of the most surprising and absurd experiences
we were having becoming parents, and we couldn't believe that
(05:19):
these things hadn't been covered in film, you know, And
we send the script out sort of to the industry
or whatever to see if anybody wants to make it,
and you know, some people got it, and then some
people found it like really gross, really blue, and it's like, no,
it's just real. This is how women talk to each
other and this is what pregnancy is.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
You know, you get well, that is the thing about
it as you watch it as someone who is non woman.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
I don't know if that's the term we're using.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Now, whatever you say becomes the culture being.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
It was yes, you ate and left no crumbs. Oh
my daughter talking nice, and she has me say it
at times out of context nice nice. It's brutally embarrassing,
but it really the repartee, the way that you guys talk,
(06:14):
the friendship that around it comes so naturally to the
characters that it's incredibly infectious. And you just also the
fis you guys are like the just dirty dirty.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Laverne and Shirley, like it is so like the.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Physical comedy as well is also such a big part
of this.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Yeah, I mean I think like women are dying to
just be themselves, you know, and it's like, weirdly, we're
in this time increasingly where our bodies are more and
more policed, and it's it's just funny what people are like.
This is a ranch calm, shocking, and I'm like, God,
I to woman, you ever laughed with the woman?
Speaker 6 (06:57):
You know?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I gotta tylo And then if you guyanas are, can
I can I give.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Away at least the one line? Can I say?
Speaker 4 (07:05):
On street you can do whatever you One of my favorite.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Lines is the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
She has this incredible sort of relationship with this gentleman uh,
and it's it's really this lovely kind of walk through
your evening. And it ends with they're both obviously feeling
very amorous, and Alana turns to him and says, uh,
let's ruin some towels.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
I was just like, score, it's so awesome.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Thank you. Shout out to Shout out to Stefan James
who plays that actor and the incredible cast, Oliver Platt,
Sandra Bernhardt, John Carol Lynch Hassen Manhaj The Lucas Brothers
fan favorite.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Lucas Brothers are They're really funny.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Incredible And Dragona is played by Elena Spinskaya. Can you
believe Dragona Dragana was Yeah? First movie ever?
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Can I tell what?
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Yes? Girl, first movie ever?
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Are you serious?
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Slate crush. It goes back to her like spot you
know every take and it was just like, thank you.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Is there anything more fun than talking about a movie
that they haven't seen yet? There's very little I enjoy
more than the secret information that you and I have
that they dude, I imagine the Oppenheimer people did that.
They'd come around and they go, you know what he
said to Einstein and the audience would be like, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
What the movie is.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Should I give a summary?
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Do you want to give amy? Give a summary?
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Please? Okay?
Speaker 1 (08:27):
So yes?
Speaker 4 (08:30):
So this movie is about two best friends who are
in very different points in their lives. Dawn, who's played
by Michelle Buteau, has two kids and a husband, and
my character Eden is single and a free spirit and
gets knocked up and decides to keep the baby and
their friendship is tested thereafter, and hilarity and also pathos Pathos,
(08:57):
Mad Pathos, mad mad mad Pathos.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Crumbs, no crumbs.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
I just love you so much, and you're so good
and everything you do is just filled with just bangers
after bangers, like just the lines are so funny and
your stuff is so good and and for God's sakes.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Woman, Oh, it is my honor of pleasure, my heroes.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Stop it.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Welcome back to day.
Speaker 7 (09:26):
So my guest tonight is an accomplished filmmaker, writer, actor,
and artist. Her new novel is called All Fours. Please welcome,
Miranda July. Oh, thank you for being Do you do
(09:58):
you want?
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Do you want to take it home with you?
Speaker 6 (10:00):
Such a weird shape for a desk? Okay, it is
my book.
Speaker 7 (10:03):
It's yeah, great, segue. I am so happy that you're here.
I loved your book. It's exceptional. It's so funny and
honest and brave.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
I am.
Speaker 7 (10:17):
I was very leisurely enjoying it over the last two weeks,
and then I got to that point in the book
where I only had like twenty pages left, and I
started to panic that it was almost over. So I
saved the rest for Mother's Day Perfect, and I locked
myself in the bathroom for some alone time. So I
could enjoy the rest of your book. I could not
(10:37):
imagine a better way of celebrating. Mother said, truly, I'm
not done.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
That's a hard one. Leave me alone.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
I'm still in the shower. The water's not running.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
It's phenomenal.
Speaker 7 (10:51):
Congratulations or I don't want to spoil it, but give
us the synopsis of the of the book.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
Ah, well, do you have secret desires?
Speaker 7 (11:04):
Okay, don't say I mean you sound like that. I
feel like you could do the voice of Omni.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
But I mean, yes, why do you live?
Speaker 5 (11:15):
I know everything?
Speaker 7 (11:16):
You take only money?
Speaker 6 (11:18):
The book is it's really for every woman who's aging
and has secret desires and anxieties about those desires, and
is wondering what's going on with her body and her.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Marriage and just her whole self.
Speaker 6 (11:38):
And uh, I mean you, I don't know what you
were doing there in the bathroom, but.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
I wrote it for you.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
It does feel that way.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
You.
Speaker 7 (11:54):
You made a very specific choice to not name your
main character, your narrator of the novel, be honest, is
it me?
Speaker 5 (12:06):
Because I wonder I left.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
It open as so you would be able to Yeah,
I mean, I feel like the secret thing that you're
wanting to know is did I have a very hot
emotional affair with a young man who worked at the
Hertz rent a car?
Speaker 7 (12:23):
Well, I would, I would never be so bold to ask,
but did you and tell me everything?
Speaker 5 (12:30):
I mean, you have to read it and.
Speaker 7 (12:35):
Is kind of into it. What I appreciated so much
is the fact that you explore all of these different
topics that are sort of unspoken in our society. You
talk about perimenopause, you talk about the trauma involved in childbirth,
you talk about finding sexual freedom and intimacy in all
(12:56):
of its forms. Why do you think those things aren't
talked about very often?
Speaker 5 (13:01):
I know, I why aren't they?
Speaker 6 (13:05):
Like I was looking, I was like, probably right, I
started writing the book when I was forty five, but
probably at like forty I was looking for that book
or like, honestly, I would have taken a pamphlet.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
Like I was that desperate, And I mean all I
could figure.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
Was like, oh, what's coming must be so humiliating that
it's like out of respect to us that we don't
talk about it.
Speaker 7 (13:34):
You know, it does feel like that. Do you think
that the conversation is changing? Do you think more women
are talking?
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Right?
Speaker 6 (13:40):
Well, the thing is like, so that was happening, this
like absence right, like this cliff, like there's a cliff
on the cover, because that's kind of a mapless place
that we're talking about.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
But meanwhile, in real.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
Life, me and all my friends were having these really
incredible conversations about our bodies and our our marriages and
our we were questioning. Everything was like this radical questioning
and exciting. It was exciting, like heart pounding real not
boring times. And so I thought, it, is there something
(14:17):
bad that happens if you write about that?
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Yeah, I guess we'll find out.
Speaker 7 (14:24):
I mean it, it really it, It really spoke to me,
and in so many ways you One of my favorite
parts was when you talk about having a conversation with
another character, I should say your character, not you. Your
character had a conversation with someone and uh and they
said people are either parkers or drivers, not both. You
(14:46):
can be one or the other. Explain what a parker
is and what a driver is, and which are you?
Speaker 5 (14:53):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (14:53):
So I always feel like there's this other kind of
person who j can have a good.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
Time more easily.
Speaker 6 (15:03):
It's it's it's like another kind of woman who's just
like chill.
Speaker 8 (15:08):
You know her, And then there's then and those are drivers, right,
they can do a cross country drive and it's just like,
you know, a fun time.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
And then there's parkers and they need a discrete task
that's nearly impossible and for which they will receive applause,
which is I mean, you don't end up here if
you're not a parker, either of us. Yeah, yeah, so
(15:38):
that's the I mean, I don't know. Everyone can decide
on their own heads at home which.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
Kind they are.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
You.
Speaker 7 (15:46):
I love that you have described this as a coming
of age story, and it made me wonder, like, why
do all coming of age stories have to be about teenagers?
Why can't a coming of age story about a woman
in the middle of her life?
Speaker 6 (16:02):
Right, I know, And it's so funny all those teenage
coming of age stories, which is literally also what every
love song is about too. The unspoken thing is there's
a hormonal change that happens at this age. But we
build all this meaning on top of it, right, you know,
all this and it's beautiful, all the stuff that that
time of life means. There's also a hormonal change that
(16:24):
happens at this time of life, but.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
No story, right, Like, what is the love story about now,
you know, And.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
I think it's like not just a benign accident that
there's no stories like I think, you know, maybe we're
just supposed to think we're done now that we had.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Our kids, or you know, I hope not.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
No, No, it's I absolutely I think I'm like just
barely old enough older than you to be able to say, like, no,
don't worry.
Speaker 7 (16:58):
I'm so grateful that you wrote this book. It really
it spoke to me. I think it's going to speak
to so many other women. It is such a fun read.
It is saucy, it is funny. I'm so happy for you. Congratulations.
I can't wait to see what you do next. Thank
you for being here.
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We handpicked some of our favorite recent moments from the
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We're back to show I Got Tonight.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
She's an actor and a comedian.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
She co wrote and she co wrote in stars in
the new film Babes.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Please welcome to a lot of guys here. Please No,
(00:50):
I love you.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
I just love you, John Stewart, I love you a
lot of.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
And boy, this movie is so good, thank you. And
it's so funny and you're so good in it, and
I'm just I'm thrilled to death for you.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Yeah, it's are you? Are you excited for?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
It's coming out?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
What is it coming out?
Speaker 4 (01:10):
It's coming out in select cities May seventeenth, and expands
and expands the twenty fourth.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Then did you yourself personally?
Speaker 4 (01:21):
No, just the demographics, you know.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
So, Alana Glazer didn't say I would like to go
to Louisville with my mouve. It's the relationships. So it's
it's yourself. It's Michelle Boutteaux and it's Hassin Mena plays
her husband, and he's the most wonderful husband.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
It's not believable.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
They are such a delicious couple. And also, like Michelle
keeps saying, it's giving such queens, we look like we
grew up in Queen's together.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
You know, it really does.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I have to tell you though, Like at the end,
I'm not going to give any away, but like I
did get a little like tiary.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Yeah good like it? Oh yeah, baby, why.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Would you do that?
Speaker 4 (02:03):
You feel your feelings?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
I was feeling my feelings. What about your feelings? Not
only is this about the mom?
Speaker 1 (02:08):
You're the mom? You had your Mother's Day?
Speaker 4 (02:10):
I was actually we were doing a Q and A
screening in Lincoln Square. I was with Julie Louis Dreyfuss.
I was like, happy Mother's Day to me, dog. So
I got to yeah, yeah, that's lovely Q and A
for us. I was like, thank you girl.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Okay, So she doesn't live there.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
At the Lincoln Square, AMC No, That's what I'm wondering. No,
but I'm so glad you liked it.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yeah, it's really and how did was it strange to
sit in the theater and watch it go down.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Didn't scadaddled after the Q and A.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
You don't watch the people watch the movie?
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Well, you know, I've seen it a bunch of times.
We did the test screenings too, and it was like
in Burbank or whatever. They lured people at the mall
to come see the movie and you know, give us feedback.
And so I've just seen it so many times. And
I just watched it in la at like a little
private screening and we have tomorrow the premiere.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
So how did they lure So I did that once?
And what do they do to lure them? Because I
think they should use gummies?
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Yeah, I think they use gummies. I think that's legal.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Now.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
I think I think people need work. They lore them
with employment in an employment based insurance system. So people
are just desperate.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
And they like to have the opinions.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Do they after something like that happens, do they come
does the company come to you and say, Phil, yes
from kIPS Bay for sure, said do they really?
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Yeah? Oh yeah, they definitely care about their the people's opinion,
which I do too, and like also, you take some
stuff with the grain of salt. Sometimes They're like it
was really gross, and it's like, yeah, well, you know,
you just don't usually see women talk like this or
experience pregnancy through their own voice, So I could see
why you think it's gross.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
That's the perspective of the relationship between you and Michelle, so.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Lovely and easy and just natural.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
And we've been friends for twenty years, oh for real,
for truly twenty years. So you know she is likes
a real oh big titty just oh, we are dead,
we are dead. Just Michelle loves top titty meat, our
top titty meat, just spilling over just twenty years. She
is effervescent. She is effervescent. She is she is effervescent.
(04:33):
She is vibrant, top titty meat. John Stewart, you know
what I mean. But you know, to be honest, to
be honest, like this is this is how women talk. Yes,
And you know, when we first sent this script out,
I wrote this with the we My mom just called
(04:55):
you backstage the number one mench. You're like number two
compared to Joshua, who I wrote this wrote, sorry, you
got to meet him number one, such a mensch. And
you know, when we were and Susie Fox, our producer
as we were writing this and collaborating it, we put
a list together of the most surprising and absurd experiences
we were having becoming parents, and we couldn't believe that
(05:19):
these things hadn't been covered in film, you know, And
we send the script out sort of to the industry
or whatever to see if anybody wants to make it,
and you know, some people got it, and then some
people found it like really gross, really blue, and it's like, no,
it's just real. This is how women talk to each
other and this is what pregnancy is.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
You know, you get well, that is the thing about
it as you watch it as someone who is non woman.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
I don't know if that's the term we're using.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Now, whatever you say becomes the culture being.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
It was yes, you ate and left no crumbs. Oh
my daughter talking nice, and she has me say it
at times out of context nice nice. It's brutally embarrassing,
but it really the repartee, the way that you guys talk,
(06:14):
the friendship that around it comes so naturally to the
characters that it's incredibly infectious. And you just also the
fis you guys are like the just dirty dirty.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Laverne and Shirley, like it is so like the.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Physical comedy as well is also such a big part
of this.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Yeah, I mean I think like women are dying to
just be themselves, you know, and it's like, weirdly, we're
in this time increasingly where our bodies are more and
more policed, and it's it's just funny what people are like.
This is a ranch calm, shocking, and I'm like, God,
I to woman, you ever laughed with the woman?
Speaker 6 (06:57):
You know?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I gotta tylo And then if you guyanas are, can
I can I give.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Away at least the one line? Can I say?
Speaker 4 (07:05):
On street you can do whatever you One of my favorite.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Lines is the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
She has this incredible sort of relationship with this gentleman uh,
and it's it's really this lovely kind of walk through
your evening. And it ends with they're both obviously feeling
very amorous, and Alana turns to him and says, uh,
let's ruin some towels.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
I was just like, score, it's so awesome.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Thank you. Shout out to Shout out to Stefan James
who plays that actor and the incredible cast, Oliver Platt,
Sandra Bernhardt, John Carol Lynch Hassen Manhaj The Lucas Brothers
fan favorite.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Lucas Brothers are They're really funny.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Incredible And Dragona is played by Elena Spinskaya. Can you
believe Dragona Dragana was Yeah? First movie ever?
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Can I tell what?
Speaker 4 (07:53):
Yes? Girl, first movie ever?
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Are you serious?
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Slate crush. It goes back to her like spot you
know every take and it was just like, thank you.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Is there anything more fun than talking about a movie
that they haven't seen yet? There's very little I enjoy
more than the secret information that you and I have
that they dude, I imagine the Oppenheimer people did that.
They'd come around and they go, you know what he
said to Einstein and the audience would be like, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
What the movie is.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Should I give a summary?
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Do you want to give amy? Give a summary?
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Please? Okay?
Speaker 1 (08:27):
So yes?
Speaker 4 (08:30):
So this movie is about two best friends who are
in very different points in their lives. Dawn, who's played
by Michelle Buteau, has two kids and a husband, and
my character Eden is single and a free spirit and
gets knocked up and decides to keep the baby and
their friendship is tested thereafter, and hilarity and also pathos Pathos,
(08:57):
Mad Pathos, mad mad mad Pathos.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Crumbs, no crumbs.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
I just love you so much, and you're so good
and everything you do is just filled with just bangers
after bangers, like just the lines are so funny and
your stuff is so good and and for God's sakes.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Woman, Oh, it is my honor of pleasure, my heroes.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Stop it.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Welcome back to day.
Speaker 7 (09:26):
So my guest tonight is an accomplished filmmaker, writer, actor,
and artist. Her new novel is called All Fours. Please welcome,
Miranda July. Oh, thank you for being Do you do
(09:58):
you want?
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Do you want to take it home with you?
Speaker 6 (10:00):
Such a weird shape for a desk? Okay, it is
my book.
Speaker 7 (10:03):
It's yeah, great, segue. I am so happy that you're here.
I loved your book. It's exceptional. It's so funny and
honest and brave.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
I am.
Speaker 7 (10:17):
I was very leisurely enjoying it over the last two weeks,
and then I got to that point in the book
where I only had like twenty pages left, and I
started to panic that it was almost over. So I
saved the rest for Mother's Day Perfect, and I locked
myself in the bathroom for some alone time. So I
could enjoy the rest of your book. I could not
(10:37):
imagine a better way of celebrating. Mother said, truly, I'm
not done.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
That's a hard one. Leave me alone.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
I'm still in the shower. The water's not running.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
It's phenomenal.
Speaker 7 (10:51):
Congratulations or I don't want to spoil it, but give
us the synopsis of the of the book.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
Ah, well, do you have secret desires?
Speaker 7 (11:04):
Okay, don't say I mean you sound like that. I
feel like you could do the voice of Omni.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
But I mean, yes, why do you live?
Speaker 5 (11:15):
I know everything?
Speaker 7 (11:16):
You take only money?
Speaker 6 (11:18):
The book is it's really for every woman who's aging
and has secret desires and anxieties about those desires, and
is wondering what's going on with her body and her.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Marriage and just her whole self.
Speaker 6 (11:38):
And uh, I mean you, I don't know what you
were doing there in the bathroom, but.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
I wrote it for you.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
It does feel that way.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
You.
Speaker 7 (11:54):
You made a very specific choice to not name your
main character, your narrator of the novel, be honest, is
it me?
Speaker 5 (12:06):
Because I wonder I left.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
It open as so you would be able to Yeah,
I mean, I feel like the secret thing that you're
wanting to know is did I have a very hot
emotional affair with a young man who worked at the
Hertz rent a car?
Speaker 7 (12:23):
Well, I would, I would never be so bold to ask,
but did you and tell me everything?
Speaker 5 (12:30):
I mean, you have to read it and.
Speaker 7 (12:35):
Is kind of into it. What I appreciated so much
is the fact that you explore all of these different
topics that are sort of unspoken in our society. You
talk about perimenopause, you talk about the trauma involved in childbirth,
you talk about finding sexual freedom and intimacy in all
(12:56):
of its forms. Why do you think those things aren't
talked about very often?
Speaker 5 (13:01):
I know, I why aren't they?
Speaker 6 (13:05):
Like I was looking, I was like, probably right, I
started writing the book when I was forty five, but
probably at like forty I was looking for that book
or like, honestly, I would have taken a pamphlet.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
Like I was that desperate, And I mean all I
could figure.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
Was like, oh, what's coming must be so humiliating that
it's like out of respect to us that we don't
talk about it.
Speaker 7 (13:34):
You know, it does feel like that. Do you think
that the conversation is changing? Do you think more women
are talking?
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Right?
Speaker 6 (13:40):
Well, the thing is like, so that was happening, this
like absence right, like this cliff, like there's a cliff
on the cover, because that's kind of a mapless place
that we're talking about.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
But meanwhile, in real.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
Life, me and all my friends were having these really
incredible conversations about our bodies and our our marriages and
our we were questioning. Everything was like this radical questioning
and exciting. It was exciting, like heart pounding real not
boring times. And so I thought, it, is there something
(14:17):
bad that happens if you write about that?
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Yeah, I guess we'll find out.
Speaker 7 (14:24):
I mean it, it really it, It really spoke to me,
and in so many ways you One of my favorite
parts was when you talk about having a conversation with
another character, I should say your character, not you. Your
character had a conversation with someone and uh and they
said people are either parkers or drivers, not both. You
(14:46):
can be one or the other. Explain what a parker
is and what a driver is, and which are you?
Speaker 5 (14:53):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (14:53):
So I always feel like there's this other kind of
person who j can have a good.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
Time more easily.
Speaker 6 (15:03):
It's it's it's like another kind of woman who's just
like chill.
Speaker 8 (15:08):
You know her, And then there's then and those are drivers, right,
they can do a cross country drive and it's just like,
you know, a fun time.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
And then there's parkers and they need a discrete task
that's nearly impossible and for which they will receive applause,
which is I mean, you don't end up here if
you're not a parker, either of us. Yeah, yeah, so
(15:38):
that's the I mean, I don't know. Everyone can decide
on their own heads at home which.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
Kind they are.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
You.
Speaker 7 (15:46):
I love that you have described this as a coming
of age story, and it made me wonder, like, why
do all coming of age stories have to be about teenagers?
Why can't a coming of age story about a woman
in the middle of her life?
Speaker 6 (16:02):
Right, I know, And it's so funny all those teenage
coming of age stories, which is literally also what every
love song is about too. The unspoken thing is there's
a hormonal change that happens at this age. But we
build all this meaning on top of it, right, you know,
all this and it's beautiful, all the stuff that that
time of life means. There's also a hormonal change that
(16:24):
happens at this time of life, but.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
No story, right, Like, what is the love story about now,
you know, And.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
I think it's like not just a benign accident that
there's no stories like I think, you know, maybe we're
just supposed to think we're done now that we had.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Our kids, or you know, I hope not.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
No, No, it's I absolutely I think I'm like just
barely old enough older than you to be able to say, like, no,
don't worry.
Speaker 7 (16:58):
I'm so grateful that you wrote this book. It really
it spoke to me. I think it's going to speak
to so many other women. It is such a fun read.
It is saucy, it is funny. I'm so happy for you. Congratulations.
I can't wait to see what you do next. Thank
you for being here.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
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Speaker 7 (17:21):
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