Michael Kosta reports on WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange’s prison release, Alex Jones’s shameless cash grab as his conspiracy network Infowars shutters, and a new Surgeon General advisory warning against, uh, gun violence? Plus, China one-upped America’s lunar landing by visiting the far side of the moon and Josh Johnson shares some advice on how the U.S. can reassert its supremacy. Also, Lewis Black tackles big companies like Chick-fil-A and Apple, as well as fire departments and hospitals, expanding into the summer camp space. And, Peter S. Goodman, New York Times global economics correspondent and author of “How the World Ran Out of Everything: Inside the Global Supply Chain,” discusses American business and consumer reliance on a rickety supply chain, the need for anti-trust enforcement, and creating a more resilient supply chain that’s not just optimized for big box retailers and investors.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 1 (00:36):
Everybody, We're cooking the Daily Show. I'm Michael Kosta. We've
gotten so much to talk about tonight. Julian Assange is
a free man, Alex Jones is a broke man, and
the Surgeon General is warning America the gun violence is
a bad who knew? Let's get into the headlines. Let's
(00:59):
kick things off with some big international news about a whistleblower. No,
not the Boeing ones. They've all suddenly died under completely
normal circumstances. I'm talking about one who got some good
news this morning.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Julian Assange, who founded WikiLeaks and rocked governments around the
world with it, is said to plead guilty in US
federal court to a single felony charge in exchange where
his freedom, ending the year's long legal saga around his
explosive publication of US state secrets. Assage, celebrated by some
as a hero, reviled by others as a reckless vandal,
(01:32):
published state secrets of country after country, none more damaging
than the vast trove of US classified documents WikiLeaks posted
online starting in twenty ten, at the height of US
wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
That's right, Wiki Leak's founder and man who looks like
he feeds James Bond to sharks, Julian Massange is out
of prison. And like many of you, when I first
heard the news, I thought, which one is he again,
because I thought he was Edward Snowden, And then then
someone said, no, Edward Snowden is Edward Stone, and that's
why they call him that, and that made sense to me. Now.
(02:09):
Julian Osandra is the one who spent a decade on
the run for revealing war crimes committed by America in Iraq,
even though the people who did those crimes weren't punished.
It's all things to an obscure military doctrine known as
snitches get stitches. And let's be honest, a lot of
this stuff he leaked, we already knew America was doing
bad shit in Iraq. The DNC was in cahoots with
(02:32):
Hillary's campaign. It's like how you kind of already knew
that your wife was banging her tennis instructor, but it's
nice to have it confirmed.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
By the way.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
In that example, I'm the tennis instructor. Now, some people
think of sand is a villain for revealing state secrets,
while others argue that the States shouldn't have had those
secrets in the first place. But what irks me about
Assand is that he didn't reveal any of the secrets
I wanted to know. You know, he's gonna dump literally
millions of documents, and not a single one was about
(03:04):
aliens or who killed JFK or why they never made
a Forrest Gump sequel. I mean, I don't want ten fast,
infurious sequels. I want to see Forrest Gump accidentally invent
the macharena. Right, Yeah, let's move on from a character
that some love and some hate to a character who's
much easier to judge, Alex Jones. Now, it's been a
(03:27):
year and a half since the Boner Pillsbury dough boy
was ordered to pay one point five billion dollars to
the Sandy Hook families, and now the Repo man is
pulling up at the door.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones is losing his media empire. Court
appointed trustee has laid out plans for shutting down Jones's
Info Wars. The money will go towards the one point
five billion dollars Jones has been ordered to pay families
of the Sandy Hook shooting victims. He pushed the claim
that the twenty twelve massacre wasn't real. The plan calls
(03:59):
War one down operations and then liquidating inventory.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Oh no, Info Wars is dead. But how will I
know which vaccines turned me gay? The good news here
is that this shows that if you maliciously lie to
the American people, you will be held accountable like zero
point three percent of the time, and the rest of
(04:24):
the time you'll be elected president. But politics aside, I
think we can all agree it's a great day in
America whenever a podcast ends. So it's been a rough
final week for Jones, but he spent it doing what
he loves.
Speaker 6 (04:40):
Jones spouted lies even as he drove to the hearing
in Houston.
Speaker 7 (04:44):
It is all a Raisin power ground.
Speaker 6 (04:47):
Leading up to the hearing, he had been vacillating between
tears more lies.
Speaker 7 (04:53):
That was the FBI and the just Department behind all
these fake lawsuits against me to get me off the air.
Speaker 6 (04:59):
And naked opportunity peddling supposed dietary supplements until the last moment.
Speaker 7 (05:04):
If you order any products at info war store dot com,
you will get them before info wars a shutdown.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
It's crazy that his listeners think the vaccine is going
to kill them, but then they spend hundreds of dollars
on off label weight loss supplements. You know, I don't
want anything weird in my body. That's why I take
Bethel polyettrazol fifteen G and tiger gut. By the way,
if you're sad you can no longer buy pills from
the info war Store, please consider purchasing Michael Costa's pills
(05:38):
for a stronger brain or whatever. Just give me your money,
you stupid piece of shit.
Speaker 8 (05:47):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Everyone loves a camera turn. Let's move on to some
public health news. A lot of people don't know this,
but getting shot is not good for your health. Luckily,
America's top doctor is here to let you know. Knew.
Speaker 9 (06:04):
This morning, a first of its kind advisory from the
Surgeon General's Office declaring firearm violence and urgent public health Crisis.
The new advisory spells out just how pervasive firearm violence
is and calls for the quote collective commitment of the
nation to stop it.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Yeah, that you knew it.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
I thought the Surgeon General's warnings were supposed to be
for things you can avoid. You know, you can choose
not to smoke cigarettes. But no one's seeing this news. Like,
you know, I was going to try to get shot
this weekend, but now I'll change my plans. Sorry, I'm
a bit skeptical. I know this guy's just trying to help.
It's just that in the last year, the Surgeon General
has already declared social media and loneliness as public health problems.
(06:48):
And I'm like, hey, man, we know, all right, the
surchon General never tells us anything we don't already know.
Like if he came out and just said, hey, just say,
you know, peanut butter stays inside you forever. That's something
that's helpful and I can take action.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Now, right.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
And that's another thing. Why are we trusting a guy
who calls himself the surgeon General. That sounds like a
profession my four year old daughter makes up. Yeah, I
want to be either a surgeon general or a ballerina dentist.
It's like you're just mashing two real jobs together. Dummy.
If we're going to have a US surgeon general. Yeah,
(07:26):
my daughter's a dummy. Sometimes, if we're going to have
a US surgeon general, he needs to at least do
one of them. Right, Either he's in charge of the
President's surgeries, or we give him an army. Then at
least when you sign into social media, he can drone
your house. Social media addiction solved.
Speaker 6 (07:43):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Finally, let's talk about the moon. We see it in
the sky every night. But did you know the moon
is also in other countries? Well, it is, and now
some of them are taking notice.
Speaker 10 (07:59):
China is now the first country to ever bring back
samples from the far side of the Moon. It's Lunar
Probe just completed its historic mission, retrieving samples of dust
and rock from the side of the Moon facing away
from the Earth.
Speaker 11 (08:12):
Chinese scientists anticipate the return samples will include volcanic rock
that's over two million years old, a major difference to
samples collected by astronauts during the Apollo missions.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Holy shit, you know, China's the first one to visit
the far side of the Moon, which, if you don't know,
is the part of the Moon the Earth never sees
because the Moon Okay, it's spinning while the Earth. Okay,
it's turning like in my head is China.
Speaker 12 (08:40):
And it.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
You guys get it anyway, China did it. So now
there are three different flags planted on the moon, the
Chinese flag, the United States flag, and that flag from
sant Alito's wife, so the woman loves flags. For more
on China's landing on the Moon, we go live to
Cape Canaveral with Josh Johnson. Josh, this is a huge
(09:12):
scientific achievement. China is the first country to reach the
far side of the Moon. What does this mean.
Speaker 13 (09:17):
I'll tell you what it means, Michael. It means America's
guy get back to the moon right now? All right,
someone called Neil Armstrong or Lance Armstrong or or Lance
Bass one of them.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
But why why do we have to get back to
the moon?
Speaker 13 (09:31):
Because the moon is the only thing America has left.
We don't have the best cars anymore, we don't have
the best democracy anymore.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Even the best basketball.
Speaker 13 (09:39):
Players are from like Slovaka Stan. You know, all we
have left is the moon, and now China's taking that
from us too. No, No, as a matter.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Of national pride, we're going back, Okay, so we're gonna
build a whole new Moon program that's gonna be expensive
as hell.
Speaker 13 (09:53):
Oh yeah, it's gonna bankrupt us. All right, we got
to cancel Medicare and education immediately. Okay, sorry, kids, you
can't read good no more. But you can take pride
knowing America is the best at Moon.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Okay. So, so we're gonna blow up our budget just
to show China that we can also collect moon dirt.
Oh man, come on, We're not going up there do
that nerd shit. We're going up there to knock their
flag down. Why shot shot.
Speaker 14 (10:29):
If we knocked their flag down, you're gonna start a war.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
No, no, no costa chill.
Speaker 13 (10:33):
What's gonna start the war is when our astronauts knock
it down with their dicks.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
This all owl, This isn't down. This is a terrible
idea for starters. Taking your dick out on the Moon.
It's gonna make it explode.
Speaker 13 (10:53):
I know, but it's the only way to show China
we're still the big dogs.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
But josh, we've already been to the moon. We're focused
on Mars now.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Not anymore. The Moon is our girl, Okay.
Speaker 13 (11:07):
We've been together since the sixties, Mars was just a
side piece, all right, and now China is trying to
take our girl behind our back and in our face.
We can't let that happen. And that's why I'm here
at the launching pad. What I'm gonna go win the
moon back?
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Josh, No, don't go to them. You're not qualified to
go up. Josh, come back.
Speaker 15 (11:31):
Josh, Josh, listen moon Juh.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
We've both made some mistakes.
Speaker 13 (11:44):
We fooled around with Mars, and you let someone else
get your rocks off.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
But we're together now.
Speaker 13 (11:50):
Baby, and America is never gonna leave you again. Now
let me get up in them craters, Josh.
Speaker 15 (11:57):
Josh, wait, Josh, don't take your dick out, Josh. I
think as Dick exploded, I tried to warn him, Josh Johnson,
everybody what we Dick exploding.
Speaker 14 (12:11):
When we come back, Lewis Black will be on the
show joining me. Don't all way, Josh, welcome back to
(12:35):
Davin Show.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
When a news story falls through the cracks, Lewis Black
catches it for a segment we call back in Black.
Speaker 16 (12:49):
Ah Summer, when my bulls glue themselves to my thigh
and don't let go until Labor Day and if you're
a kid.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
It means going to camp.
Speaker 16 (13:01):
Summer camp used to be about playing sports, making friends, and,
if you're lucky, finding a dead body. But for parents
who think it's time for their five year old to
start focusing on a career, there are a few camps
just for them, like this one.
Speaker 13 (13:18):
Chick fil A is getting some backlash over its new
summer camp coming to Louisiana at the end of July.
Speaker 17 (13:23):
Kids will learn scales such as taking guest orders and
backing food.
Speaker 12 (13:27):
The franchises that are doing it only charge about thirty
five dollars ages five to twelve, and kids learn.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
The chicken sandwich business.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Wow, did you hear that?
Speaker 16 (13:39):
Chick malayans a summer camp.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Tell me now.
Speaker 16 (13:45):
Kids are finally getting to learn the chicken sandwich business.
You know, nothing says summer fun like third degree grease burns.
And the beast part about Chick fil A camp is
it only costs thirty five dollars.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
What a bargain. I mean for thirty five dollars, you.
Speaker 16 (14:05):
Can't even find a babysitter on the terror watch list.
Even Khalid Sheik Muhammad was forty dollars an hour and
he didn't even change diapers.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
But if that's still too steep a.
Speaker 16 (14:19):
Price tag, you can always bring them for free to
the company who's basically raising them anyway.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Apple.
Speaker 17 (14:27):
For over twenty years now, Apple stores have hosted Apple Camp.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
This is where kids and their parents can get creative
on the latest Apple devices.
Speaker 11 (14:35):
This year's session focuses on using the iPad to create
an interactive storybook.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
They're creating animations.
Speaker 17 (14:42):
They're adding ar shapes at three D shapes to ear
photos where they place the three D shapes in the
world around.
Speaker 16 (14:48):
Then, Oh, thank god, just what our children need, more
screen time. I hope they'll use these iPads on planes
at full volume while I contemplate getting a second besectomy.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Better safe than sorry.
Speaker 16 (15:09):
I will say these Apple camps seem way nicer than
the ones in China.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
I mean, for starters, the kids get to leave. Oh
stop it, seriously, wake up? How do you moan over there? Unbelievable.
But maybe I'm judging too quickly.
Speaker 16 (15:31):
Who knows these camps could be fostering the storytellers of tomorrow.
Speaker 18 (15:36):
And basically, a donut as a vase, but the ball
always goes through his hole, so his friend helps him
put like a in his in the full time so
the ball doesn't go through.
Speaker 16 (15:49):
This girl could write the next great animated film. But
if you dare touch the opening weekend of Inside Up three,
I'll sue the shit out of you. Follow your dreams,
but stay away from Daddy's gravy train. But if the
fry Elator and ADHD don't do it for your child.
(16:13):
There are some camps that teach actual.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Skills, which is all.
Speaker 12 (16:17):
Fire Department gave young people the opportunity to have experienced
what it's like to be a firefighter. It's hosting a
kid's summer camp, and the fun kicked off yesterday. This
year's summer camp introduces them to the roles and responsibilities
of the Fire Department. With up close and hands on experience,
campers ages eight to thirteen will get a view of
firefighting tasks like pulling hose, spraying water forcible entream and rescue.
Speaker 16 (16:44):
First of all, I don't think you need a camp
to teach teen.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Boys how to pull hose. I mean they tend to
figure it out on their own.
Speaker 16 (16:57):
By the way, camp is just like police camp, but
with more cardio and less framing people for murder. I
admire these kids but they better not show up when
I burned down my Panama City condo for the insurance money.
Stay away from daddy's other gravy train your little.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Life saving shits.
Speaker 16 (17:21):
But a firefighting camp sounds like too much fun. Don't worry,
You've still got options.
Speaker 17 (17:29):
At this summer camp should be longtounds middle schoolers take
care of baby Tory a seventy five thousand dollars high
fidelity simulator.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
And there's also so pick you boyson.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Do you want to dress a wound or build a bony?
Speaker 17 (17:45):
Bay Cares Diane Roush Camp Nurse Junior at Dunedin Sally L.
Bailey Nursing Education Center is not your typical teenage summer fun.
Here they're learning about patient care and broken bones and
CPR and more. For Camilla and Ellie and dozens of others,
this might be their future.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
What the fucking is that supposed to be a baby.
It looks like someone knocked up Megan.
Speaker 16 (18:24):
Somebody's sending that thing to the Supreme Court and we'll
have abortion back in no time. But of course, there's
also one very affordable summer program that parents are forgetting
about ignoring your kids and letting them go off for
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three months. You know, watch TV, kickrocks, maybe even pull
some hoes. That's how I spent my summers as a kid,
and look how I turned out.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Thank you Mike COVID, Thanks for having a.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Little course black everyone, and welcomed back.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Peter Goodman will be joining me on the show, so
don't go away.
Speaker 19 (19:10):
Welcome back to the Daily Show.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
My guest tonight is a global economics correspondent for The
New York Times and author of the new book How
the World Ran out of Everything Inside the Global Supply Chain.
Please welcome Peter Goodman. Yes, so how the World ran
(19:55):
out of everything? During COVID we ran out of toilet paper,
baby formula, computer chips. We had cars that were ready
to run, but no computer chips. What the happened? And
did we fix it?
Speaker 20 (20:09):
We have not fixed it. I'm sorry to say. The
vulnerabilities are still there. What happened was a reveal of
something that had been there for decades. We are dependent
upon this really improvised ad hoc rickety supply chain. It's
really a bunch of supply chains. We've been devoted to
this kind of reckless, ruthless form of deregulation and during
(20:31):
the pandemic, just as we were in our darkest hour
of need, it buckled, and yeah, we ran out a
lot of stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
When I was reading your book, I kept asking myself
the same question, which was, why don't we just make
this shit here?
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Why aren't we making all of the shit here? Well,
but you you answer that, but explain, explain it. Explain
to me again.
Speaker 20 (20:56):
We could make more things here, and there's a movement
to make more things here, and that's helpful. It's in
the margins. But we're not going back to self sufficiency. Look,
if there was no trade, you and me wouldn't be
having this conversation. We'd be out trying to feed our
families with bark or whatever. And you know, I'm not
that good at growing food.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
I'm sure you're not either. So here we are. We're
dependent upon a globe supply chain. I did lose a
tomato in the wind last night on my rooftop garden, but.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Good luck with that.
Speaker 20 (21:26):
Yeah, I don't want to try to feed my family
through my own labor. So we have trade, and we've
got a lot of jobs in this country that are
dependent upon a global supply chain. And it's been a
consumer bonanza. We've just done a very poor job cushioning
the people who've lost jobs. We don't need to throw
out globalization. We need to reconfigure it. We need sensible regulations.
(21:46):
We need working people to get more of a piece
of the action so we have a more reliable supply chain.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
You tell the story in the book about one company
that is trying to make these glow in the Dark toys,
even as a contract with Sesame Street, and he wants
to actually use American manufacturing, but can't find American manufacturers
to do it right.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I mean, he calls around these are these?
Speaker 20 (22:11):
I follow this one container from a factory in China
to the west coast of the United States and then
across the continent to Starkville, Mississippi, where his warehouse space.
He couldn't find somebody to make the molds for these
products unless he paid twelve times as much as the
price in China. You try to get somebody to make
up kind of children's pop up book style package for.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
His product, and he was told, this.
Speaker 20 (22:32):
Is just too complicated, go make this in China. It
was the path of least resistance.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
You follow this path, this container ship from China all
the way to Mississippi and literally this is this is
the path it takes. I mean, it is a harrowing journey.
And as an American that buys a lot of stuff, yeah,
I'm going, holy shit, I didn't know that all this happened.
I just press click and then it shows up.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Yeah, well then it worked.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah yeah. Do I do we need to buy less
dumb shit? I know it's like not the most intellectual question,
do we need to buy less dumb shit? It's a
legitimate question.
Speaker 20 (23:06):
Look, I rode for three days with a long haul
truck driver from Kansas City to Dallas and back.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
It sounds like my worst nightmare.
Speaker 20 (23:14):
It's everyone's worst nightmare, which is why we don't have
enough truck drivers. And the best part of that moment,
we're somewhere in Oklahoma and this truck driver looks out
the window and he says, people just buy too much
the word you just use. And we could do well
thinking more carefully about what we buy and what we need.
But let's face it, like we're gonna keep making stuff,
(23:35):
We're gonna keep consuming stuff. The question is are we
going to have a more resilient supply chain or one
that's just optimized for basically big box retailers and investors,
because that's what we've had now for decades.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
I had before reading your book, I had always kind
of seen China as this aggressor that has taken American
jobs and manufacturing. And do you feel that's the case.
Is that an accurate portrayal? I think what you painted
the picture so well in here was that it's American
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business executives, right that are saying we can make more money.
It's not the American worker that's saying this. It's the
executed factory.
Speaker 20 (24:16):
Jobs moved to China because publicly traded corporations governed by
the imperative to lower their costs and produce lower priced products,
but fattened their margins as well. They sent production to China.
They were encouraged to go there by the investor class,
and it worked out really well for them. And look,
(24:37):
this is an old story, right, Chinese labor was brought
in to build the railroads, talk about it states, Yeah,
and the Walmart going to the People's Republic of China.
That's just a continuation of the old story of basically
undercutting American labor unions, undercutting American working people. These are decisions,
you know, the hollowing out of our factory towns that
are not made in Beijing. These are decisions made in
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boardrooms in New York, in Seattle, in Congress.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
It's not always portrayed that way, right, you know, it's
portrayed as there's China taking our economy.
Speaker 13 (25:09):
Right.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
But what we have a big debate coming up Thursday night.
Trump in correct me if I'm wrong, But Trump puts
some tariffs on China, and Biden has kept a lot
of those, has advanced them, has advanced that. What can
we expect when this question comes up Thursday night? Where
do they stand on?
Speaker 20 (25:28):
You know, I don't know how much nuanced there will
be in that debate, but let's face it, there.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Are very few things I think we all know that debate. Yeah, yeah, there.
Speaker 20 (25:36):
Are not many things that garner agreement in American polities.
But one of them, unfortunately, is the sort of cartoonish
depiction of China as this job killing juggernaut without any
of the details that we've already discussed. I mean, I
think in terms of the differences between these two candidates,
Donald Trump is a threat to the global supply chain.
He's proud to be a threat to the global supply chain.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
He likes the photo.
Speaker 20 (25:59):
Op of slapping tariffs on steel and mugging for the
cameras with steel workers going back to work. Never mind
that there are six to eight times as many people
who go to work at factories in America that buy
steal as there are people who make steel, so those
companies are less competitive. Biden is also bashing China. This
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is a bipartisan initiative, but it's a much more nuanced
kind of industrial policy.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
It's less about.
Speaker 20 (26:27):
Containing China's rise. I mean, Trump is really about let's
have a cold war with China. Biden is more about
let's embrace industrial policy. Let's try to make electric.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Vehicles in the US.
Speaker 20 (26:38):
These are some significant difference.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
I was in Vermont this weekend performing I eat a
lot of ice cream in my life. I wanted to
go see the Ben and Jerry's ice cream factory where
it all started. These were two men in nineteen seventy
eight who started making ice cream out of a gas station.
Right and then, as I kind of dug into it,
I was also reading your book. It's kind of a
perfect tie in. I REALI, oh, they sold the company
(27:01):
to Unilever in year two thousand and all of a sudden,
these two men who really care about keeping things local,
who really cared about social issues. It felt like the
big evil corporation was constantly pushing back against them and
was constantly looking at profit margins. Is there something that
I can feel optimistic about? Is capitalism always just defeat us?
(27:25):
And these two little Ben and jerrymanscup it's capitalism.
Speaker 20 (27:28):
I mean, you know, the people who benefit from the
status quot would have us believe that regulating and taxing
and enforcing anti trust laws, we might as well, you know,
be advocating Venezuela style, you know, I mean it's just nonsensical, right,
Capitalism needs markets, Markets need regulation. They can't function with that.
But in terms of what we can do, you know,
(27:50):
consumers are not going to save us from the vulnerabilities
in the globally comt We're busy dealing with it.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Yes, so I can I can keep buying plastic shit
from my four year old daughter on Amazon. I'm not
turning you in.
Speaker 20 (27:59):
I mean, it's going to take any trust enforcement, labor
mobilization so that working people get a piece of the action.
So they're less likely to quit their jobs in the
middle of a pandemic. I mean, you know, Henry Ford
problematic character Newer a thing or two about making things
in the supply chain. He said explicitly as he raised
wages for workers in twenty fourteen and was called a
(28:22):
communist by somebody, said, I just want to make things reliably.
Any business that's premised on low wage labor is inherently unstable.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Right And that's where we're at right now.
Speaker 8 (28:32):
It feels like, I mean, normalcy is built on this
idea that huge numbers of people have to do dangerous
jobs away from their families, with little control or understanding
about their schedules, and they just have to suck that
up for the benefit of our sort of just in time,
ruthlessly efficient that turns out not to be so efficient.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Global economy. You personally that I can steal from you?
What can I do? What do you do? What any
habits of yours that have changed since research and writing this?
Speaker 20 (29:00):
Yeah, I mean I try to give my business to
people who are actually in control of their businesses. I mean,
if you're mostly transacting with big companies that are answerable
to Wall Street, then you're ultimately transacting with entities that
are thinking about shareholder interests the bubble. They can't afford
to be kind to their workers necessarily because their competitors aren't.
(29:21):
They can't afford to think about keeping production local, they
can't think about the highest quality ingredients, and they can't
think beyond the next quarter. So certainly local small production.
But again, consumers are not going to save us from
the vulnerability and the global supply chain. It's going to
take regulation, it's going to take labor mobilization.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
But it helps to know that my fourteen dollars strawberries
at the farmers market is probably going to better use
than the nine dollars strawberries at the Amazon. You need
to stop somewhere else, exactly. These are the celebrity prices
that I get. Look how the world ran out of
everything is available now you're good man, everybody, Thank you
(30:01):
everything A quick break of the white back after us.
Thank you. That's a show for tonight. Here it is
your moment of zad kary.
Speaker 9 (30:20):
What makes you nervous?
Speaker 7 (30:23):
Oh when my wife yells at me when I'm coming
home from work, and not really I'm unsure what she's
mad about.
Speaker 11 (30:28):
On this particular day is really when I when I
get nervous.
Speaker 9 (30:33):
How about for the debate, because if that happens on Thursday,
you know you'll have about It's.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
All good to take that offline.
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Everybody, We're cooking the Daily Show. I'm Michael Kosta. We've
gotten so much to talk about tonight. Julian Assange is
a free man, Alex Jones is a broke man, and
the Surgeon General is warning America the gun violence is
a bad who knew? Let's get into the headlines. Let's
(00:59):
kick things off with some big international news about a whistleblower. No,
not the Boeing ones. They've all suddenly died under completely
normal circumstances. I'm talking about one who got some good
news this morning.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Julian Assange, who founded WikiLeaks and rocked governments around the
world with it, is said to plead guilty in US
federal court to a single felony charge in exchange where
his freedom, ending the year's long legal saga around his
explosive publication of US state secrets. Assage, celebrated by some
as a hero, reviled by others as a reckless vandal,
(01:32):
published state secrets of country after country, none more damaging
than the vast trove of US classified documents WikiLeaks posted
online starting in twenty ten, at the height of US
wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
That's right, Wiki Leak's founder and man who looks like
he feeds James Bond to sharks, Julian Massange is out
of prison. And like many of you, when I first
heard the news, I thought, which one is he again,
because I thought he was Edward Snowden, And then then
someone said, no, Edward Snowden is Edward Stone, and that's
why they call him that, and that made sense to me. Now.
(02:09):
Julian Osandra is the one who spent a decade on
the run for revealing war crimes committed by America in Iraq,
even though the people who did those crimes weren't punished.
It's all things to an obscure military doctrine known as
snitches get stitches. And let's be honest, a lot of
this stuff he leaked, we already knew America was doing
bad shit in Iraq. The DNC was in cahoots with
(02:32):
Hillary's campaign. It's like how you kind of already knew
that your wife was banging her tennis instructor, but it's
nice to have it confirmed.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
By the way.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
In that example, I'm the tennis instructor. Now, some people
think of sand is a villain for revealing state secrets,
while others argue that the States shouldn't have had those
secrets in the first place. But what irks me about
Assand is that he didn't reveal any of the secrets
I wanted to know. You know, he's gonna dump literally
millions of documents, and not a single one was about
(03:04):
aliens or who killed JFK or why they never made
a Forrest Gump sequel. I mean, I don't want ten fast,
infurious sequels. I want to see Forrest Gump accidentally invent
the macharena. Right, Yeah, let's move on from a character
that some love and some hate to a character who's
much easier to judge, Alex Jones. Now, it's been a
(03:27):
year and a half since the Boner Pillsbury dough boy
was ordered to pay one point five billion dollars to
the Sandy Hook families, and now the Repo man is
pulling up at the door.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones is losing his media empire. Court
appointed trustee has laid out plans for shutting down Jones's
Info Wars. The money will go towards the one point
five billion dollars Jones has been ordered to pay families
of the Sandy Hook shooting victims. He pushed the claim
that the twenty twelve massacre wasn't real. The plan calls
(03:59):
War one down operations and then liquidating inventory.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Oh no, Info Wars is dead. But how will I
know which vaccines turned me gay? The good news here
is that this shows that if you maliciously lie to
the American people, you will be held accountable like zero
point three percent of the time, and the rest of
(04:24):
the time you'll be elected president. But politics aside, I
think we can all agree it's a great day in
America whenever a podcast ends. So it's been a rough
final week for Jones, but he spent it doing what
he loves.
Speaker 6 (04:40):
Jones spouted lies even as he drove to the hearing
in Houston.
Speaker 7 (04:44):
It is all a Raisin power ground.
Speaker 6 (04:47):
Leading up to the hearing, he had been vacillating between
tears more lies.
Speaker 7 (04:53):
That was the FBI and the just Department behind all
these fake lawsuits against me to get me off the air.
Speaker 6 (04:59):
And naked opportunity peddling supposed dietary supplements until the last moment.
Speaker 7 (05:04):
If you order any products at info war store dot com,
you will get them before info wars a shutdown.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
It's crazy that his listeners think the vaccine is going
to kill them, but then they spend hundreds of dollars
on off label weight loss supplements. You know, I don't
want anything weird in my body. That's why I take
Bethel polyettrazol fifteen G and tiger gut. By the way,
if you're sad you can no longer buy pills from
the info war Store, please consider purchasing Michael Costa's pills
(05:38):
for a stronger brain or whatever. Just give me your money,
you stupid piece of shit.
Speaker 8 (05:47):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Everyone loves a camera turn. Let's move on to some
public health news. A lot of people don't know this,
but getting shot is not good for your health. Luckily,
America's top doctor is here to let you know. Knew.
Speaker 9 (06:04):
This morning, a first of its kind advisory from the
Surgeon General's Office declaring firearm violence and urgent public health Crisis.
The new advisory spells out just how pervasive firearm violence
is and calls for the quote collective commitment of the
nation to stop it.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Yeah, that you knew it.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
I thought the Surgeon General's warnings were supposed to be
for things you can avoid. You know, you can choose
not to smoke cigarettes. But no one's seeing this news. Like,
you know, I was going to try to get shot
this weekend, but now I'll change my plans. Sorry, I'm
a bit skeptical. I know this guy's just trying to help.
It's just that in the last year, the Surgeon General
has already declared social media and loneliness as public health problems.
(06:48):
And I'm like, hey, man, we know, all right, the
surchon General never tells us anything we don't already know.
Like if he came out and just said, hey, just say,
you know, peanut butter stays inside you forever. That's something
that's helpful and I can take action.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Now, right.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
And that's another thing. Why are we trusting a guy
who calls himself the surgeon General. That sounds like a
profession my four year old daughter makes up. Yeah, I
want to be either a surgeon general or a ballerina dentist.
It's like you're just mashing two real jobs together. Dummy.
If we're going to have a US surgeon general. Yeah,
(07:26):
my daughter's a dummy. Sometimes, if we're going to have
a US surgeon general, he needs to at least do
one of them. Right, Either he's in charge of the
President's surgeries, or we give him an army. Then at
least when you sign into social media, he can drone
your house. Social media addiction solved.
Speaker 6 (07:43):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Finally, let's talk about the moon. We see it in
the sky every night. But did you know the moon
is also in other countries? Well, it is, and now
some of them are taking notice.
Speaker 10 (07:59):
China is now the first country to ever bring back
samples from the far side of the Moon. It's Lunar
Probe just completed its historic mission, retrieving samples of dust
and rock from the side of the Moon facing away
from the Earth.
Speaker 11 (08:12):
Chinese scientists anticipate the return samples will include volcanic rock
that's over two million years old, a major difference to
samples collected by astronauts during the Apollo missions.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Holy shit, you know, China's the first one to visit
the far side of the Moon, which, if you don't know,
is the part of the Moon the Earth never sees
because the Moon Okay, it's spinning while the Earth. Okay,
it's turning like in my head is China.
Speaker 12 (08:40):
And it.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
You guys get it anyway, China did it. So now
there are three different flags planted on the moon, the
Chinese flag, the United States flag, and that flag from
sant Alito's wife, so the woman loves flags. For more
on China's landing on the Moon, we go live to
Cape Canaveral with Josh Johnson. Josh, this is a huge
(09:12):
scientific achievement. China is the first country to reach the
far side of the Moon. What does this mean.
Speaker 13 (09:17):
I'll tell you what it means, Michael. It means America's
guy get back to the moon right now? All right,
someone called Neil Armstrong or Lance Armstrong or or Lance
Bass one of them.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
But why why do we have to get back to
the moon?
Speaker 13 (09:31):
Because the moon is the only thing America has left.
We don't have the best cars anymore, we don't have
the best democracy anymore.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Even the best basketball.
Speaker 13 (09:39):
Players are from like Slovaka Stan. You know, all we
have left is the moon, and now China's taking that
from us too. No, No, as a matter.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Of national pride, we're going back, Okay, so we're gonna
build a whole new Moon program that's gonna be expensive
as hell.
Speaker 13 (09:53):
Oh yeah, it's gonna bankrupt us. All right, we got
to cancel Medicare and education immediately. Okay, sorry, kids, you
can't read good no more. But you can take pride
knowing America is the best at Moon.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Okay. So, so we're gonna blow up our budget just
to show China that we can also collect moon dirt.
Oh man, come on, We're not going up there do
that nerd shit. We're going up there to knock their
flag down. Why shot shot.
Speaker 14 (10:29):
If we knocked their flag down, you're gonna start a war.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
No, no, no costa chill.
Speaker 13 (10:33):
What's gonna start the war is when our astronauts knock
it down with their dicks.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
This all owl, This isn't down. This is a terrible
idea for starters. Taking your dick out on the Moon.
It's gonna make it explode.
Speaker 13 (10:53):
I know, but it's the only way to show China
we're still the big dogs.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
But josh, we've already been to the moon. We're focused
on Mars now.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Not anymore. The Moon is our girl, Okay.
Speaker 13 (11:07):
We've been together since the sixties, Mars was just a
side piece, all right, and now China is trying to
take our girl behind our back and in our face.
We can't let that happen. And that's why I'm here
at the launching pad. What I'm gonna go win the
moon back?
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Josh, No, don't go to them. You're not qualified to
go up. Josh, come back.
Speaker 15 (11:31):
Josh, Josh, listen moon Juh.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
We've both made some mistakes.
Speaker 13 (11:44):
We fooled around with Mars, and you let someone else
get your rocks off.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
But we're together now.
Speaker 13 (11:50):
Baby, and America is never gonna leave you again. Now
let me get up in them craters, Josh.
Speaker 15 (11:57):
Josh, wait, Josh, don't take your dick out, Josh. I
think as Dick exploded, I tried to warn him, Josh Johnson,
everybody what we Dick exploding.
Speaker 14 (12:11):
When we come back, Lewis Black will be on the
show joining me. Don't all way, Josh, welcome back to
(12:35):
Davin Show.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
When a news story falls through the cracks, Lewis Black
catches it for a segment we call back in Black.
Speaker 16 (12:49):
Ah Summer, when my bulls glue themselves to my thigh
and don't let go until Labor Day and if you're
a kid.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
It means going to camp.
Speaker 16 (13:01):
Summer camp used to be about playing sports, making friends, and,
if you're lucky, finding a dead body. But for parents
who think it's time for their five year old to
start focusing on a career, there are a few camps
just for them, like this one.
Speaker 13 (13:18):
Chick fil A is getting some backlash over its new
summer camp coming to Louisiana at the end of July.
Speaker 17 (13:23):
Kids will learn scales such as taking guest orders and
backing food.
Speaker 12 (13:27):
The franchises that are doing it only charge about thirty
five dollars ages five to twelve, and kids learn.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
The chicken sandwich business.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Wow, did you hear that?
Speaker 16 (13:39):
Chick malayans a summer camp.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Tell me now.
Speaker 16 (13:45):
Kids are finally getting to learn the chicken sandwich business.
You know, nothing says summer fun like third degree grease burns.
And the beast part about Chick fil A camp is
it only costs thirty five dollars.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
What a bargain. I mean for thirty five dollars, you.
Speaker 16 (14:05):
Can't even find a babysitter on the terror watch list.
Even Khalid Sheik Muhammad was forty dollars an hour and
he didn't even change diapers.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
But if that's still too steep a.
Speaker 16 (14:19):
Price tag, you can always bring them for free to
the company who's basically raising them anyway.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Apple.
Speaker 17 (14:27):
For over twenty years now, Apple stores have hosted Apple Camp.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
This is where kids and their parents can get creative
on the latest Apple devices.
Speaker 11 (14:35):
This year's session focuses on using the iPad to create
an interactive storybook.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
They're creating animations.
Speaker 17 (14:42):
They're adding ar shapes at three D shapes to ear
photos where they place the three D shapes in the
world around.
Speaker 16 (14:48):
Then, Oh, thank god, just what our children need, more
screen time. I hope they'll use these iPads on planes
at full volume while I contemplate getting a second besectomy.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Better safe than sorry.
Speaker 16 (15:09):
I will say these Apple camps seem way nicer than
the ones in China.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
I mean, for starters, the kids get to leave. Oh
stop it, seriously, wake up? How do you moan over there? Unbelievable.
But maybe I'm judging too quickly.
Speaker 16 (15:31):
Who knows these camps could be fostering the storytellers of tomorrow.
Speaker 18 (15:36):
And basically, a donut as a vase, but the ball
always goes through his hole, so his friend helps him
put like a in his in the full time so
the ball doesn't go through.
Speaker 16 (15:49):
This girl could write the next great animated film. But
if you dare touch the opening weekend of Inside Up three,
I'll sue the shit out of you. Follow your dreams,
but stay away from Daddy's gravy train. But if the
fry Elator and ADHD don't do it for your child.
(16:13):
There are some camps that teach actual.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Skills, which is all.
Speaker 12 (16:17):
Fire Department gave young people the opportunity to have experienced
what it's like to be a firefighter. It's hosting a
kid's summer camp, and the fun kicked off yesterday. This
year's summer camp introduces them to the roles and responsibilities
of the Fire Department. With up close and hands on experience,
campers ages eight to thirteen will get a view of
firefighting tasks like pulling hose, spraying water forcible entream and rescue.
Speaker 16 (16:44):
First of all, I don't think you need a camp
to teach teen.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Boys how to pull hose. I mean they tend to
figure it out on their own.
Speaker 16 (16:57):
By the way, camp is just like police camp, but
with more cardio and less framing people for murder. I
admire these kids but they better not show up when
I burned down my Panama City condo for the insurance money.
Stay away from daddy's other gravy train your little.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Life saving shits.
Speaker 16 (17:21):
But a firefighting camp sounds like too much fun. Don't worry,
You've still got options.
Speaker 17 (17:29):
At this summer camp should be longtounds middle schoolers take
care of baby Tory a seventy five thousand dollars high
fidelity simulator.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
And there's also so pick you boyson.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Do you want to dress a wound or build a bony?
Speaker 17 (17:45):
Bay Cares Diane Roush Camp Nurse Junior at Dunedin Sally L.
Bailey Nursing Education Center is not your typical teenage summer fun.
Here they're learning about patient care and broken bones and
CPR and more. For Camilla and Ellie and dozens of others,
this might be their future.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
What the fucking is that supposed to be a baby.
It looks like someone knocked up Megan.
Speaker 16 (18:24):
Somebody's sending that thing to the Supreme Court and we'll
have abortion back in no time. But of course, there's
also one very affordable summer program that parents are forgetting
about ignoring your kids and letting them go off for
(18:45):
three months. You know, watch TV, kickrocks, maybe even pull
some hoes. That's how I spent my summers as a kid,
and look how I turned out.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Thank you Mike COVID, Thanks for having a.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Little course black everyone, and welcomed back.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Peter Goodman will be joining me on the show, so
don't go away.
Speaker 19 (19:10):
Welcome back to the Daily Show.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
My guest tonight is a global economics correspondent for The
New York Times and author of the new book How
the World Ran out of Everything Inside the Global Supply Chain.
Please welcome Peter Goodman. Yes, so how the World ran
(19:55):
out of everything? During COVID we ran out of toilet paper,
baby formula, computer chips. We had cars that were ready
to run, but no computer chips. What the happened? And
did we fix it?
Speaker 20 (20:09):
We have not fixed it. I'm sorry to say. The
vulnerabilities are still there. What happened was a reveal of
something that had been there for decades. We are dependent
upon this really improvised ad hoc rickety supply chain. It's
really a bunch of supply chains. We've been devoted to
this kind of reckless, ruthless form of deregulation and during
(20:31):
the pandemic, just as we were in our darkest hour
of need, it buckled, and yeah, we ran out a
lot of stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
When I was reading your book, I kept asking myself
the same question, which was, why don't we just make
this shit here?
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Why aren't we making all of the shit here? Well,
but you you answer that, but explain, explain it. Explain
to me again.
Speaker 20 (20:56):
We could make more things here, and there's a movement
to make more things here, and that's helpful. It's in
the margins. But we're not going back to self sufficiency. Look,
if there was no trade, you and me wouldn't be
having this conversation. We'd be out trying to feed our
families with bark or whatever. And you know, I'm not
that good at growing food.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
I'm sure you're not either. So here we are. We're
dependent upon a globe supply chain. I did lose a
tomato in the wind last night on my rooftop garden, but.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Good luck with that.
Speaker 20 (21:26):
Yeah, I don't want to try to feed my family
through my own labor. So we have trade, and we've
got a lot of jobs in this country that are
dependent upon a global supply chain. And it's been a
consumer bonanza. We've just done a very poor job cushioning
the people who've lost jobs. We don't need to throw
out globalization. We need to reconfigure it. We need sensible regulations.
(21:46):
We need working people to get more of a piece
of the action so we have a more reliable supply chain.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
You tell the story in the book about one company
that is trying to make these glow in the Dark toys,
even as a contract with Sesame Street, and he wants
to actually use American manufacturing, but can't find American manufacturers
to do it right.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I mean, he calls around these are these?
Speaker 20 (22:11):
I follow this one container from a factory in China
to the west coast of the United States and then
across the continent to Starkville, Mississippi, where his warehouse space.
He couldn't find somebody to make the molds for these
products unless he paid twelve times as much as the
price in China. You try to get somebody to make
up kind of children's pop up book style package for.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
His product, and he was told, this.
Speaker 20 (22:32):
Is just too complicated, go make this in China. It
was the path of least resistance.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
You follow this path, this container ship from China all
the way to Mississippi and literally this is this is
the path it takes. I mean, it is a harrowing journey.
And as an American that buys a lot of stuff, yeah,
I'm going, holy shit, I didn't know that all this happened.
I just press click and then it shows up.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Yeah, well then it worked.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah yeah. Do I do we need to buy less
dumb shit? I know it's like not the most intellectual question,
do we need to buy less dumb shit? It's a
legitimate question.
Speaker 20 (23:06):
Look, I rode for three days with a long haul
truck driver from Kansas City to Dallas and back.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
It sounds like my worst nightmare.
Speaker 20 (23:14):
It's everyone's worst nightmare, which is why we don't have
enough truck drivers. And the best part of that moment,
we're somewhere in Oklahoma and this truck driver looks out
the window and he says, people just buy too much
the word you just use. And we could do well
thinking more carefully about what we buy and what we need.
But let's face it, like we're gonna keep making stuff,
(23:35):
We're gonna keep consuming stuff. The question is are we
going to have a more resilient supply chain or one
that's just optimized for basically big box retailers and investors,
because that's what we've had now for decades.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
I had before reading your book, I had always kind
of seen China as this aggressor that has taken American
jobs and manufacturing. And do you feel that's the case.
Is that an accurate portrayal? I think what you painted
the picture so well in here was that it's American
(24:08):
business executives, right that are saying we can make more money.
It's not the American worker that's saying this. It's the
executed factory.
Speaker 20 (24:16):
Jobs moved to China because publicly traded corporations governed by
the imperative to lower their costs and produce lower priced products,
but fattened their margins as well. They sent production to China.
They were encouraged to go there by the investor class,
and it worked out really well for them. And look,
(24:37):
this is an old story, right, Chinese labor was brought
in to build the railroads, talk about it states, Yeah,
and the Walmart going to the People's Republic of China.
That's just a continuation of the old story of basically
undercutting American labor unions, undercutting American working people. These are decisions,
you know, the hollowing out of our factory towns that
are not made in Beijing. These are decisions made in
(24:59):
boardrooms in New York, in Seattle, in Congress.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
It's not always portrayed that way, right, you know, it's
portrayed as there's China taking our economy.
Speaker 13 (25:09):
Right.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
But what we have a big debate coming up Thursday night.
Trump in correct me if I'm wrong, But Trump puts
some tariffs on China, and Biden has kept a lot
of those, has advanced them, has advanced that. What can
we expect when this question comes up Thursday night? Where
do they stand on?
Speaker 20 (25:28):
You know, I don't know how much nuanced there will
be in that debate, but let's face it, there.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Are very few things I think we all know that debate. Yeah, yeah, there.
Speaker 20 (25:36):
Are not many things that garner agreement in American polities.
But one of them, unfortunately, is the sort of cartoonish
depiction of China as this job killing juggernaut without any
of the details that we've already discussed. I mean, I
think in terms of the differences between these two candidates,
Donald Trump is a threat to the global supply chain.
He's proud to be a threat to the global supply chain.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
He likes the photo.
Speaker 20 (25:59):
Op of slapping tariffs on steel and mugging for the
cameras with steel workers going back to work. Never mind
that there are six to eight times as many people
who go to work at factories in America that buy
steal as there are people who make steel, so those
companies are less competitive. Biden is also bashing China. This
(26:20):
is a bipartisan initiative, but it's a much more nuanced
kind of industrial policy.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
It's less about.
Speaker 20 (26:27):
Containing China's rise. I mean, Trump is really about let's
have a cold war with China. Biden is more about
let's embrace industrial policy. Let's try to make electric.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Vehicles in the US.
Speaker 20 (26:38):
These are some significant difference.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
I was in Vermont this weekend performing I eat a
lot of ice cream in my life. I wanted to
go see the Ben and Jerry's ice cream factory where
it all started. These were two men in nineteen seventy
eight who started making ice cream out of a gas station.
Right and then, as I kind of dug into it,
I was also reading your book. It's kind of a
perfect tie in. I REALI, oh, they sold the company
(27:01):
to Unilever in year two thousand and all of a sudden,
these two men who really care about keeping things local,
who really cared about social issues. It felt like the
big evil corporation was constantly pushing back against them and
was constantly looking at profit margins. Is there something that
I can feel optimistic about? Is capitalism always just defeat us?
(27:25):
And these two little Ben and jerrymanscup it's capitalism.
Speaker 20 (27:28):
I mean, you know, the people who benefit from the
status quot would have us believe that regulating and taxing
and enforcing anti trust laws, we might as well, you know,
be advocating Venezuela style, you know, I mean it's just nonsensical, right,
Capitalism needs markets, Markets need regulation. They can't function with that.
But in terms of what we can do, you know,
(27:50):
consumers are not going to save us from the vulnerabilities
in the globally comt We're busy dealing with it.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Yes, so I can I can keep buying plastic shit
from my four year old daughter on Amazon. I'm not
turning you in.
Speaker 20 (27:59):
I mean, it's going to take any trust enforcement, labor
mobilization so that working people get a piece of the action.
So they're less likely to quit their jobs in the
middle of a pandemic. I mean, you know, Henry Ford
problematic character Newer a thing or two about making things
in the supply chain. He said explicitly as he raised
wages for workers in twenty fourteen and was called a
(28:22):
communist by somebody, said, I just want to make things reliably.
Any business that's premised on low wage labor is inherently unstable.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Right And that's where we're at right now.
Speaker 8 (28:32):
It feels like, I mean, normalcy is built on this
idea that huge numbers of people have to do dangerous
jobs away from their families, with little control or understanding
about their schedules, and they just have to suck that
up for the benefit of our sort of just in time,
ruthlessly efficient that turns out not to be so efficient.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Global economy. You personally that I can steal from you?
What can I do? What do you do? What any
habits of yours that have changed since research and writing this?
Speaker 20 (29:00):
Yeah, I mean I try to give my business to
people who are actually in control of their businesses. I mean,
if you're mostly transacting with big companies that are answerable
to Wall Street, then you're ultimately transacting with entities that
are thinking about shareholder interests the bubble. They can't afford
to be kind to their workers necessarily because their competitors aren't.
(29:21):
They can't afford to think about keeping production local, they
can't think about the highest quality ingredients, and they can't
think beyond the next quarter. So certainly local small production.
But again, consumers are not going to save us from
the vulnerability and the global supply chain. It's going to
take regulation, it's going to take labor mobilization.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
But it helps to know that my fourteen dollars strawberries
at the farmers market is probably going to better use
than the nine dollars strawberries at the Amazon. You need
to stop somewhere else, exactly. These are the celebrity prices
that I get. Look how the world ran out of
everything is available now you're good man, everybody, Thank you
(30:01):
everything A quick break of the white back after us.
Thank you. That's a show for tonight. Here it is
your moment of zad kary.
Speaker 9 (30:20):
What makes you nervous?
Speaker 7 (30:23):
Oh when my wife yells at me when I'm coming
home from work, and not really I'm unsure what she's
mad about.
Speaker 11 (30:28):
On this particular day is really when I when I
get nervous.
Speaker 9 (30:33):
How about for the debate, because if that happens on Thursday,
you know you'll have about It's.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
All good to take that offline.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
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