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January 14, 2025 43 mins

Jon Stewart examines how Trump's finger-pointing, and the GOP's threats to withhold disaster relief for the LA wildfires are missing the bigger picture: nature is f**ked, and helping those in pain shouldn't be a political issue.

Mark Carney, Canadian economist and former Governor of the Bank of Canada and Bank of England, chats about his country’s response to Donald Trump’s desire to annex Canada: “It’s not going to happen.” They also discuss the impending financial crisis Canada faces if Trump follows through on his tariff threats and how the country’s upcoming election mirrors the 2024 U.S. presidential race. 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 1 (00:53):
I didn't even want to tell you this before economist
Mark Carney is here. Yeah, you us for it. We listened.
We will be discussing whether or not he's going to
run to be the Liberal Party of Canada's new leader,
or if he will be the governor of our fifty

(01:13):
first state.

Speaker 6 (01:14):
We're not sure yet.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
But of course, all news pales in comparison to what
is occurring right now in the state of California. Horrifying
inferno whose danger even now has not passed. But even
amongst the tragedy and sadness, there have been incredible moments
of human compassion and kindness, neighbors looking after neighbors, charitable

(01:39):
contributions pouring into GoFundMe from all areas of the world,
mainly the tireless and heroic actions of firefighters in the
California region soe of then prisoners fighting with incredible bravery
and tenacity, rescue workers from all over the country, rescue
workers from outside the country, rescue workers from Mexico, Mexico.

(02:10):
Damn your open borders, Biden boy, I guess they are
sending us their best. You want to know how bad
it is in California right now, Here's how bad it is.

Speaker 7 (02:29):
President Vladimir Zelenski has offered to send one hundred and
fifty Ukrainian first responders to help battle the massive wildfires.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
We're so fed that a country that has been relentlessly
bombed for almost three years was like you poor best.
But it is a testament to the resilientdiance of the
human spirit of man's ability across cultural and political and

(03:05):
religious lines in times of crisis to appeal to our
better angels, as Archbishop Desmond tutu One said, we are
made for goodness and love and compassion, or as our
own President elect put it.

Speaker 6 (03:18):
Trump shared a meme on truth Social of fires raging
behind the Hollywood Sign, which was photoshopped to read Trump
was right.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Appropriate. Thank you, mister President. I'd almost forgotten your pension
for casual cruelty and dick foolery flames. Nice touch on
the graphics. Surely you won't be content with just trolling
those in dire need. Surely you also see this as
a merch portunity.

Speaker 8 (03:50):
The New York Post posted these images of President elect
Donald Trump driving a golf cart wearing a Trump was
right about everything hat.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Trump was right about almost everything. I wouldn't say he
was right about the outfit choice rule of thumb. Never
dressed in the same color scheme as the upholstery of
your own vehicle. Unless wait, perhaps Trump has reached his

(04:22):
highest form, part man, part golf cart, and apparently all cholesterol.
I don't know. I guess uh RFK junior stat Okay,
but Trump is control. The problem now is Republicans appear

(04:45):
to want to attach there I told you SOS as
a condition of funding California's disaster relief.

Speaker 9 (04:53):
I expect that there will be strings attached to money
that is ultimately approved.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
I think there should probably be conditions on that day.
That's personal view.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Before we put funds into place, We've got to find
out exactly how we're going to hold these leaders accountable
and what sort of policy changes are required. There can't
be a blank check on this. They don't deserve anything.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
To be honest with you, and the last they show
us they're going to make some changes.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
What the fuck is wrong with you, really, senator from Alabama,
the state near the bottom in math reading and test scores.
Next time you get hit by a hurricane, why don't
we have a little parent teacher conference to see that
if you got your scores up, you would get the money.
Or actually, let's not do it, because you'll get the

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money anyway, because we're not psychos. That is psychotic. There's
something wrong with you. And you know what, And here's
the thing. I can do the Daily Show back and
run down all the congress people and senators on the
right calling for conditions on disasterrate that absolutely had the
opposite view when it was their state on the line.

(06:00):
We need to do everything we can. We have citizens
that are literally going to get worse by the day.
Just shut the fuck up because I can do it.
But it doesn't even matter. I'm not even gonna do
it because red states are always the tragic victims of
circumstance outside of their control, and Democrats always vote for
their aid, whereas blue state disasters are a function of

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their flawed morality and policy. And if we help blue
state survivors, well, what message will that send? What lesson
will they learn? But fine? If strings must be attached,
what be the strings?

Speaker 10 (06:34):
The problem with California is forestry management.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
Oh yeah, that's true. I didn't that's true. The management
of the forest. You have to rake the leaves and
shut down the illegal elf tree cookie factory. It's the
I understand. And what a great, utterly anodyne suggestion. I mean,
what forest couldn't be managed better? I mean, you've been

(06:59):
to a forest lately. Chaos. It's chaos in the dirt
and leaves and what is that bear shit? I'm sure
I want to see the manager. Okay, so we get
the money if we have better forest management, everybody then
gets food and clothes. What else?

Speaker 3 (07:18):
They've not done the necessary work to make sure there's
fresh water flowing. It's a key areas.

Speaker 7 (07:23):
Oh water, no question, no question. Water for the fire.
I'm going to get that message to the firefighters. Toot.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Sweet water is so important. Water is a terrific fire.
I don't even want to say the R word, but
I but, as I always say, more, what do you
got there, mister fire? Nothing like water? Water works on
all kinds of fire, except for one kind of fire.

(07:55):
But I don't know which one that is, but odds
are with you point taking forest management and get some
water up here, and then your children may have blankets.
These are all great pointers on how to mitigate fires,
and I'm sure California has absolutely been trying water and
forest management. Maybe not good enough, but they have it.
There's one thing you might not be considering as you

(08:17):
criticize them, and that's this. I don't know what kind
of a system you can develop that completely mitigates the
risk of fire plus drought conditions plus sixty to eighty
mile per hour winds plus delicious wood. Look at this.
Look what's happening right there? Do you see this fire
to tornado? Break your way out of that? Do you understand?

(08:51):
I love the blame game. I love the blame game.
I play it all the time. But the fires are
out and the fire to torn The only thing that
would stop that is the absence of oxygen, which, if
I'm being honest, we could do. Hear me out. There's
something something called a klosh. A close is a covering.

(09:16):
You've probably seen it in pie shops. You can put
a close now if I'm just very quickly, guys, that's
the continental sized cloche that we had on a previous
program suggested for immigration reform, we need a little more
casual guests. Can you check on the sideboard behind the

(09:37):
gravy frigates. It's not if it's not there, it's under
the sink. The California that's it. The California closure air
tight the best way to smother a Los Angeles sized fire.
And if you live in New Jersey, keep a pie
fresh in a diner for eight to nine years. The close.

(09:58):
I am going to make clothes happen years from now. Now.
I'm gonna get a hat that says, don't do it
with writing about everything? Oh god, what all you idiots

(10:21):
or dead? Don't you so? But these people don't actually care.
They're not actually trying to find a solution. They're just
trying to work their pet issues into this tragic situation.
It's confusing, but thankfully some people are being more explicit
in their conspiracy theories.

Speaker 11 (10:38):
On ex Representative Marjorie Taylor Green asked why don't they
use geoengineering like cloud seating to bring rain down on
the wildfires in California?

Speaker 3 (10:47):
They know how to do it.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Who is they, Margaret? Are you perhaps referring to the
theyish people. Is that is that what it is, Margaret,
The very same people that control the area on fire.
Why would we they destroy the very industry they control

(11:22):
when we also have the means to bring the rains.
We have space lasers and we can bring rain. The
clues of them, Margaret, Alex News.

Speaker 11 (11:36):
Alex Jones wrote that Los Angeles fires are part of
a larger globalist plot to wage economic warfare and de
industrialize the United States before triggering total collapse.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
Oh all right, well it's Alex Jones. He is certainly
known for this type of thinking. I don't believe anyone
is going to be taken in by this type of post.

Speaker 11 (11:59):
Elon Mus corresponded to that post by writing, true.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
No, I feel safe, but unfortunately a lot of the
information that's out there is not correct, and because of
poor forest management, that information just jumps, igniting into larger
and larger nonsense infernos that coincidentally seem to reinforce whatever
grudge any of these folks have against California, especially their ideology.

(12:39):
When you hear stories about State of Oregon sending sixty
fire trucks, I haven't confirmed that myself yet. But they
had to go to Sacramento to get emissions testing, get
them to LA where they're needed. I mean, this is
woke on, woke on wild kind of stuff. Oh, woke
on wild. I remember those VHS tapes spring Breakers, reading

(13:00):
the autobiography of Malcolm X and putting on more clothes,
getting cat called show us your privilege. By the way,
as far as what he was saying, those fired, the
whole thing is bullshit. The fire trucks were not sent

(13:21):
to Sacramento to get emissions testing. They were sent there
to be transitioned into minivans without their parents' consent. That's
what happened. But man, if there is one thing harder
to extinguish than the fires, it is the most resilient

(13:42):
of the rights talking points. The whole thing is a
complete disaster.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
A lot of it comes back to DEI.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Kristin Crowley, the fire chief in Los Angeles. She is
a very silly woman, the first gay female fire chief ever. Wow.

Speaker 8 (13:58):
Under her is Christina kept first lesbian assistant chief. Then
under her is Christine Larson. They're all Christina Christina.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
She's also a.

Speaker 8 (14:09):
Lesbian Christina Christina Christina lesbian, lesbian, lesbian what what are
you doing?

Speaker 2 (14:16):
You just summoned them?

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Do you understand you can't You can't just say the
name three times? Do you know what? You're just unleashed
onto this earth. From now on, it's just infernos and
lesbian firefighters. Anyway. I'm not sure Megan with a why

(14:43):
should be criticizing people named Christina? But apparently to the right,
drought conditions, high winds, and densely stacked flammable structures were
all fine until they added to lesbians. Then something pecurely happen.

Speaker 4 (15:02):
What is your message to city administrators starting with Mayor Besk?

Speaker 8 (15:07):
My message is the fire department needs to be properly funded,
and it's not.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
It's not at this point, does the City of Los
Angeles fail you?

Speaker 11 (15:14):
Yes, we need to be fully fully funded and supported
so that our firefighters can do their jobs.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
Lesbian firefighter has attacked black lady mayor. Who will the
right support in this opposite of a sophie's choice? Really,
I mean in the hierarchy of dee crimes, black lady

(15:46):
mayor lesbian fire fighter. I don't know which one of
those is there. I want to say white whale, but
that'd be wrong. But I'm not suggesting that DEI is
not responsible for it at least ninety nine percent of
this tragedy. But Devil's advocate. This is the Palisades in

(16:08):
nineteen twenty three, and that's not after a fire. It's
just dead. It's like a desert and someone decided to
build a city there, a densely populated allbe a beautiful
city in the middle of it. That's what they did.
And I'm gonna guess that the person whose idea it
was wasn't a lesbian firefighter or a black lady mayor.

(16:32):
We didn't even have lesbians back then until one snuck
here from France in nineteen thirty four. So stop with
the DEI. Oh that was the straw that broke the
cabal's back. The meritocracy built that city. The meritocracy created
the dangerous conditions that made a tragedy like this almost inevitable.

(16:55):
Don't take my.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
Word for it.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
I know the liberal argument sounds like Charlie Brown's teacher
to your ear. Let me get someone who speaks to
your frequency.

Speaker 10 (17:07):
So I was talking to this guy and he was
telling me he goes, dude, one day, he goes. It's
just going to be the right wind, and fire is
going to start in the right place, and it's going
to burn through La all the way to the ocean.
And it's not a thing we can do about it now.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
Of course, he did go on to say lesbians will
make it worse. The point is, man, we are humans.
We build shit in difficult areas on the belief that
we will figure out how to subdue God and nature

(17:42):
for God's sakes. Fifty years they made a movie about
what a dumb idea would be to develop this city
into the country's second largest metro area. Even they knew
LA wasn't a good place to raise your daughter or
your sister, My sister, My God. Movies wild in the seventies,

(18:15):
like you could do anything in movies like there's no
like slap court, like literally in that they're like Jack,
do it again this time when you fist, like there
you do. Sometimes things happen that are beyond the bounds
of human infrastructure, although admittedly the La powers that be

(18:37):
have not covered themselves in glory at this time. Right now,
if you need help, emergency information, resources and shelter is available.
All of this can be found at URL. Look, I'm

(18:58):
not saying she's Churchill. Es and gentlemen, don't worry when
the bombs start falling. Don't worry. Just insert useful information here.
So yeah, improvements can be made in leadership, in management,
in design, in materials, in myriad ways. But sometimes fire

(19:22):
fox a tornado and make some mockery of human infrastructure
and our ability to dictate the terms of our existence
on this planet. But the one thing it shouldn't dictate
is the cruelty that we would show to those in pain,
because we don't think they consistently vote right. But if

(19:44):
you are gonna please, but if you're gonna attach strings,
I still think this announcement was too.

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Speaker 1 (20:29):
When we come back, we'll be talking to Mark Carney.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Don't go away my guest tonight.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
I'm excited about this. He's orr you want to hear this.
He's a Canadian economist, former governor of the Bank of
Canada and Bank of England. Please welcome to the program,
Mark Carney, sir. Welcome, sir. I welcome you to our land, America.

(21:24):
We are soon to be well.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
There was a border when I came. John, where was the.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
Last time you checked twitters? So you've really involved yourself
in I remember you from two thousand and eight, and
I truly I mean this, your work in helping Canada
get through the economic crisis of two thousand and eight,
the financial crisis that hit this country terribly, and I

(21:49):
thought made a lot of really painful decisions for the
people of this country. I thought Canada avoided the worst
of that, and I believe you played a very strong
role in that.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
We did. I mean, thank you. We did. Here's and
but we.

Speaker 9 (22:11):
You know, we did because we didn't do things that
we didn't understand. So we didn't let our banks do
things that they didn't understand, just because all the other
banks were doing them, so subprime cdo squared really, you know,
fancy derivatives.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
You're saying you didn't let you thought, let's not let
the banks dissolve mortgages into particulate matter, mix it into cups,
throw it off, throw it in the air, and then
sell that.

Speaker 9 (22:38):
Well, throw it in the air, take a big profit,
pay themselves a lot of money, yes, and then it
hits the ground.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
How did you not have to do that?

Speaker 3 (22:48):
We didn't understand it.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Job, some of them don't understand it. That's all it took.
That's all it took. So you've gone off now and
you've worked with Bregsitt in the Bank of England trying
to Is that.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
My idea, Briggs, it wasn't. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
No, you're Canadian. You're very polite, very nice. You're never
one of those like I want to leave a union. No,
you stay in it until it dies. What what what
are they making up there of the overtures and sort
of trolling to Canada about being a part of the
United States.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
Well, I mean, the bottom line is not going to happen.
Uh Jews that that I mean?

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Uh? Because you don't want you don't want well, we.

Speaker 9 (23:34):
We're we're proud, we find you very attractive, but we're
not we're not moving We're not not moving in with you.
It's it's not you, it's us. We have if we
do things a little differently in Canada, were we believe
and I just walked up before you.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Go any further, I'm up for it. We're up for it.
Whatever you do differently. We want experiment to what do
you guys want?

Speaker 3 (24:01):
You you want like, we can be friends.

Speaker 9 (24:06):
There could be a few benefits, John, friends with benefits,
but not I'm not going to commit all the way
benefits of trade, benefits of you know, defense, right, Yeah,
I know.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
We'll be cool about it. We won't levy tariffs on
all your goods as retribution for you not going out
with us. We respect your boundaries. Is it is there
a fear now that there will be an economic trade
war with how much of this do you believe is
is bluster? And how much preparation do you need to

(24:39):
do for it?

Speaker 3 (24:41):
Well, we have to prepare for it.

Speaker 9 (24:43):
And I think you know you look at what happened
five six years ago when we did have a similar
situation with the trade war and others being.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
A lumber and well there was only a few lumbers.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
Lumbers very important to us.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
John.

Speaker 9 (24:56):
Uh, the you know it's it's fool me one. Shame
on you, f me twice, Shame on me. Right, why
don't we feel what I feel like? You're breaking up
with me? The entire interview, This is this, we're resetting
the relationship and we're going to be stronger.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
We're going to be stronger going forward, because as you say.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Yeah, no, I'm just kidding, swiped left hard as hell.
Uh do you think this time? You know, look, I
don't know that Americans know that fifty of you know,
our fuel comes from Canada.

Speaker 9 (25:29):
Yeah, yeah, the electricity for this, for this show comes
from not this show.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
We got some solar up on there.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
We're to ours only comes from Venezuela. We're that leftist,
it's that bad.

Speaker 9 (25:41):
Well, that that that you know, that brings a point
four and a half million barrels a little more than
that of oil come from Canada to the United States.
And if you don't take that oil the way your
refineries are, your other option is Venezuela.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
No. So okay, So that's it's funny you bring that up,
taking them over as well. Are you surprised at you know,
is America generally? You know, I think we've always been
known as we like to live our values and speak them.
It feels like this administration is going to be more

(26:16):
explicit about what's really happening. Hey, what's up Greenland. I
don't know if you know this, but you have something
under your soil that we want, so you're hours. You know,
I feel like past administrations would do the same thing,
but they would be like, and we're liberating you, like
they would make it a high minded affair. Is it

(26:38):
easier to deal with someone that is transactional at his
core in that way? Take your time.

Speaker 9 (26:47):
Yeah, I'm going to tell you now, I think in
the end it's not because in the end, in a relationship,
I'm going to keep the relationship.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
My god, if we're going to kill therapy, what is happening?
Every time you're like, I hear.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
You, I hear.

Speaker 9 (27:07):
I made a few resolutions this year, John, and it
was still in January.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
But you've got to you got to have some shared values.

Speaker 9 (27:15):
You've got to be able to predict how the other
is going to behave so it's not just a series
of transactions right, Look, we can do a series of transactions.
We're fine. We're in a strong position. You want to
do a series of deals, you know, Uh, we can
do that.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
What's much better is to look at our look at
everything we've had, John.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Together, and we couldn't. You were just about the leading.
You're like, look, man, if it's late and you're drunk,
you can call us.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
It's cool.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
But I would rather we need something to each other so.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
That, yeah, we get something out of this together, like
Sunday afternoon in the park.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
What you're talking about, little bit? And so right now
there is is turmoil. Well Trudeau has resigned. Yuh, there
will be new elections. When do you know when the
new elections are?

Speaker 3 (28:06):
They have to be by October.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
They could come sooner, sooner than October.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
Sooner than October.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yes, what would be the trigger of the elections sooner?

Speaker 9 (28:15):
Well, it would be likely the choice of the current
governing party, which is a Liberal party.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
And you are of the Liberal Party.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
I am of the Liberal Party.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
Yes, are they looking for a new leader?

Speaker 3 (28:29):
I think they might be.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
John, sir, may I recommend to you with your charm
and debonair wit, yet strong financial backbone, that you offer
yourself as have you offered yourself as as leader?

Speaker 3 (28:46):
I just started thinking about it when you throw not yes.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Just here the Conservatives have h and.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
This will this will blow your mind. So the Conservatives
are run by Pierre Pouliet. Did I say that correctly? Yes,
it's a fictional JK. Rowling name at best. Pierre pol
This is and this always fascinates me. I want to
show this. This is so Trudeau. Obviously. The other guy
is Pierre Polliev. It looks like and he is Trudeau's rival. Yes,

(29:19):
they look like two fictional boys' school rivals in like
or like. Poll seems like a villain in a like
karate Kid movie. Like there's something very very off putting.
What is he like in person?

Speaker 6 (29:41):
Proddie, take your.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
To You're not you're not, You're not far off.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
He is.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
He is, there is. I'll say this.

Speaker 9 (29:53):
There is a type of politician. You have a few
of them here in the United States. I think we
just stop it. Yeah, they had a lot in and
around Brexit.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
Yes, and we have mister paulief in Canada.

Speaker 9 (30:07):
Type of politician who's you know, tend to be lifelong politician,
really tend to worship the market. They've never actually worked
in the private sector, and they see opportunity and tragedy
like you just had with the California fires, these horrible fires,
and they see opportunity and tragedy to push an agenda
that here's when they prepared earlier and they and they

(30:29):
fit it in. And so whether it was Brexit here
often you know, the Star of the Beast type approach.
So Pierre Pauliev when COVID started, his reaction was, there's
a good time to cut spending and cut taxes. Everyone's
just been pushed out of a job. Nobody's got worked,
so let's cut the taxes on the work they don't have,

(30:50):
and let's take away the social safety net when everybody's vulnerable.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Wow, and how did that work out for me?

Speaker 3 (30:59):
Well, unfortunately he was in opposition.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
So oh, that was his idea.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
That was his idea.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Ah and the people now see the head wins for
this more right wing populism though, are all around the world,
and it feels like Canada is no different there. I mean,
did Trudeau bow out because he knew he wouldn't win?
Is this an attempt to give the Liberal party there
a chance?

Speaker 3 (31:24):
I think it does give the Liberal Party a chance?

Speaker 9 (31:27):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (31:27):
Right, and he did that purposefully.

Speaker 3 (31:32):
Yeah, he came to that. Yeah, he came to that conclusion.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
He came to that conclusion. Or Nancy Pelosi called him and.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
Said, somewhere in the middle, some meatirical.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
Comedy shows up. There did a bit that made fun
of him for five minutes, and he fell apart. Who So,
who are the top contenders right now that you believe
give the Liberal Party the best chance? Poliev is going
to be their champion. Yes, yeah, who would give the
best opportunity?

Speaker 9 (32:03):
Well, I think in a situation like this, you need change,
You need to address the economy. We've got an economic
crisis because of what mister Trump is about to do
or saying he's about to do. But we also have
challenges in housing, cost of living.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Did you need the same inflationary pressures that we faced here?

Speaker 9 (32:21):
You know, I can debate the absolute level, but we
had the same inflationary pressure as well.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
No, we will debate the absolute level.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
Well, I don't think.

Speaker 9 (32:29):
I think the look Canadian has been very hard pressed
in the last few years. Wages have not kept up
with inflation. People are you know, people are falling behind,
not getting ahead. Housing is very expensive, and there's this
broader concern again exclamation point put on by the Trump tariffs,
about what the future brings. The world's more divided, it's

(32:51):
more dangerous.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
What are we going to do?

Speaker 9 (32:53):
And truth be told, the government has been not as
focused on those issues use as it could be. We
need to focus on them immediately. That can happen now,
and that's what this election is.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
Can I tell you something. I feel like I'm looking
in a mirror. We just had that election.

Speaker 8 (33:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
Run. When I say run, I mean not for office,
I mean run the other way that. It's so hard.
It's when when the headwinds are like that, it's really
difficult for a candidate to come in who is saddled
with the policies that are But let's say, oh boy,
let's say.

Speaker 9 (33:36):
Just just just throw it out a while you trying
to preserve the relationship. A wild hypothetical. Let's say the
candidate wasn't part of the government. Let's say the candidate
did have a lot of economic experience.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
Let's say the candidate did deal with prices. Let's say
the candidate had a plan to deal with the challenges
in the here and now, sneaky.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
You're running as an outsider.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
I am an outsider.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Wow, that's all. So you're going to be coming in
there to say I have not been in the government.
I have worked in the financial markets. I understand all
the things that go around trade. I mean you worked. Look,
let's take the California fires. You've done an awful lot
with the banks, with insurance industries. So if you understand
very particularly what's happening out there in California.

Speaker 9 (34:25):
Very particularly, I mean ten years ago, Government Bank of England,
you oversee the Lloyd's of London, which does all the
insurance for exactly this type of stuff. Ten years ago,
they're saying there's gonna be a lot more fires, so
we're gonna have a lot less insurance, a lot less insurance,
as we've seen unfortunately in California and this, I mean
it's an absolute strategy with people going through a lot
less insurance place like Canada.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
Last year.

Speaker 9 (34:46):
You may have noticed here in New York we had
a few fires in Canada.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yes, I was going to talk to you about that latter.
The fire.

Speaker 9 (34:55):
The fires in Canada, including where I was born, my
hometown Fort Smith, Northwest, territories around where I grew up
in Alberta.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
These fire one second, really small town, small from Alberta,
and they've probably been sleeping the whole time they heard
the name is the bus coming out Berta? What are
we doing here? But all.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
We got the fires, We got the fires, got the fires.

Speaker 9 (35:28):
John if the fires alone would have made Canada the
fourth largest minter in the world after the United States,
China and India.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Just the fire, just the fires alone.

Speaker 9 (35:41):
And this you could see this coming ten years ago
as the insurance companies and now we're dealing with this,
which is why we need to act more broadly on
the issue.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Through climbing and everything else. Let me ask you a
question about this, because this speaks to what these Republican
politicians saying. They keep saying, Oh this DEI Lloyd's of
LFE insurance companies ten years ago, they make risk assetments
and they change policies. Did they change those policies because
they assess the risk of lesbians being in the firefighting department?

(36:12):
Or did they go climate change is happening and these
fires are going to be more damaging, and they're going
to happen more frequently, and so we're going to be
changing our rates and we're going to be dropping policies.
Which one did they go.

Speaker 9 (36:25):
With very decidedly the second and what they have seen
is the number of these extreme events that they ensure. Remember,
they're pulling back insurance from you know, you can't get
insurance in many coastal areas in Florida, you can't get
insurance obviously in Los Angeles.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
So they've been pulling back.

Speaker 9 (36:44):
And still even with all that sophistication, the number of
these extreme weather events that they ensure have gone up
three times and the cost of it has gone up
five times. So they are furiously backped.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
And this gets us to the rub, which I think
is why I feel like we're in such a vice
when it comes to climate change and political feasibility and
what can we reasonably expect people's virtue to accomplish. You know,
you have always you've championed with the banking industry esg
UH projects, You've championed climate projects. As soon as these

(37:21):
big banks got a hold that Donald Trump was going
to be back in office, they all bailed, They all
bailed on all these commitments that they made, and you're
left in some ways holding the carbon tax bag. Is
that going to make your your running more difficult?

Speaker 3 (37:37):
Well, you packed a lot into this, I did. Can
I tell you something.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
I read your Wikipedia page.

Speaker 9 (37:44):
The U remind me to edit it later on the
UH Two things. One what the banks and it's only
the American banks, But what they decided.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
To do, yeah, is to I didn't know there were
other banks.

Speaker 9 (38:00):
Because I'm financing. But in terms of for Canada, you know,
what we need to do is make sure that we're
dressing these issues, doing our bit, making our companies more competitive,
because you know what's going to happen in the United
States five years from now, You're going to care.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
About it again. Right, You're gonna have an election. You're
gonna care about it again.

Speaker 9 (38:18):
We better be in a position where we've done our
bit at that point. But we need to do it
in a way that Canadians today are not paying the
price right now.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
How do you do that? That's the rub. How do
you make proactive measures on future disasters feasible in a
political moment Today? Every time I've seen a gas tax
or a carbon tax floating, it's not politically feasible.

Speaker 9 (38:43):
So the vast majority of our missions in Canada come
from our industry. In fact, almost thirty percent of emissions
from Canada come from the production and shipment of oil
to the United States.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
You're welcome, You're welcome.

Speaker 9 (38:58):
Yeah, So part of it is cleaning that up, getting
those emissions down more than changing in a very short
period of time the way Canadians live.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
Right, But you're not obviously got to take away our oil.

Speaker 9 (39:15):
We'd like to take well, you you don't apparently want
the oil as much as you used to.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
Have you decided to run yet, because a lot of
people in the Liberal Party in Canada have said specifically
they will not run. I think they fear the headwinds
in this election.

Speaker 9 (39:34):
I want to can I say one thing on that
I want to defend very because this is a very
important point. So if you look at our our foreign minister,
mel Ni Jolie, our finance minister Dominic LeBlanc, Steve McKinnon,
who's our labor minister, they are not running in part
because there's a crisis right now because of the threat
of the Trump tariffs.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
So they're they're saying I won't run because I want
to focus.

Speaker 9 (39:57):
They've they're there, yeah, country before already in personal ambition
and it's absolutely.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Right, right right, yeah, so but but do you say
I don't.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Have a job.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Yeah, you don't have a job presently.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
I do, but it's you know you and.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Oh coy with me. I love the chase, I love
this cat and mouse.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
Well, we had to shake things up.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
We are, we are having a We've spiced up our
relationship tremendously throughout this interview. So congratulations on announcing on
this program that you are to be the leader. That's
we see her with a handshake, Mark Carney. We're gonna

(40:45):
take a quick break and will be right back after
this is sure, that's on shop for tonight, but obviously

(41:09):
before we go, we're gonna check it with your hooks
for the rest of the week, mister Jordan Clopper, Jorda,
talk to me, man, What do you got on deck
for the rest of the week.

Speaker 12 (41:20):
Well, we'll be talking about the government banning TikTok next week.
John and I know we've all had our fun, but
now that it's over, might I suggest a little something
called books? I think you might find them equally entertaining.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
I don't. I don't think that. Did you know you
have a charger?

Speaker 3 (41:47):
Maybe a charger you don't. I just think if you.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Call books you don't swipe.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
I just think I've read. I've turned out a book before.

Speaker 12 (41:54):
Okay, I've forgotten how to read.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
All right, Jordan, Thank God for everybody. Now, before we go,
I also want to just very quickly say, please, I
know there are a lot of organizations buying for support.
Please consider supporting the California Fire Foundation. They're on the ground.
They're working with local fire agencies and community organizations to
provide support for impacted residents. If you can, please donate

(42:20):
at URL. But that's who you are on that here.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
It is your moment of zat if I don't see
you again. Thank you for allway.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
You could have stopped taking the hard questions years ago,
and you didn't, so we appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
This is let's say, one last dance, right.

Speaker 8 (42:37):
I don't know how I'm going to fill my dance
card now?

Speaker 11 (42:40):
How will I fill that void without you?

Speaker 3 (42:47):
Explore more shows from the Daily Show podcast universe by
searching The Daily Show wherever.

Speaker 6 (42:52):
You get your podcasts.

Speaker 11 (42:54):
Watch The Daily Show week nights at eleven ten Central
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Speaker 10 (43:00):
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Speaker 1 (43:07):
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