May 6, 2021 • 29 mins
On today's Dan Patrick Show, the guys discussed John Means no-hitter for the Orioles yesterday. ESPN insider Adam Schefter joins us to discuss the timing of his report on Aaron Rodgers and why he decided to drop the news on Draft Day. Lastly, Pierre McGuire, NHL on NBC analyst, called in to recap what happened between the Rangers/Capitals last night, and what could be the repercussions.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio. John Means's no hitter was the third of
the season already. I was curious, big name pitchers, Hall
of fame pitchers who haven't thrown no hitters, And Roger
Clements never did it, Pedro Martinez never did it. Greg
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Maddox never did it. Steve Carlton never did it. So
those are some I mean, how many starts do you
have with those pictures combined? Don Drysdale, Whitey Ford, Robin Roberts,
Early Win, Kurt Chilling, CC Sabathia. The best active pitcher
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without a no hitter Zach Grenky, I guess, but yeah,
pretty amazing. You start to look at those who have
no hitters, and why is it it's the guy that
you probably only haven't heard too much about. Now does
the does the opposition not get geared up when you're
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you're facing somebody like John Means? But if this was
you know somebody, well, I was going to say, the
Orioles don't have not necessarily a great pitching staff, but
you know Max Scherzer or Justin Verland, are you're going
to be facing them, You're probably going to be a
little bit more geared up. But Maddox I understand not
throwing a no hitter because he you know, he allowed
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them the opposition put the ball in play. Like he
got you out. He was not trying to strike you out.
But Carlton, strikeout guy, Shielding, strikeout guy, Clemens, strikeout guy.
You know those are the guys that you you have
no hitters. Yampo means was a couple of years ago.
He actually made the All Star team. In twenty nineteen,
he was twelve and eleven. He was second for Rookie
of the Year. Even though he's twenty six years old.
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He was second for Rookie of the Year. This year
he's four and oh and uh cy young candidate. He's
here's one point three seven. But there's always names like
I remember there's a guy for the Cardinals, probably fifteen
years going to Bud Bud Smith. I think it was
his second month in the league. He throws a no hitter.
I have no idea if he played ten more games
or two more years, or it happens sometimes in the majors.
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Remember Mike Weir from Canada, he won a Major. Yeah,
he won the Masters. I have no idea he's still playing. Yeah,
he's playing on the Champions Tour and playing well, but
then he never followed up. It's like a moment and
then you go, he won like two last week or
two weeks ago, he beat John Daly in a Champions
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Champions event. But yeah, you're right, you get that one moment.
And sometimes this happens in golf with majors, where you go,
Danny Willett has won the Masters, and you go and
we'll never hear from Danny Willett again. Probably who was
the guy who won in Minnesota? Rich Beam? Rich Beam
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won the PGA Championship. Little guy. He used to be
on the show all the time. Yeah, we had. He
was part of the book what is it not, Blood
Sweat and Beers. But it was something something that there
was a book that was based on Alan Schipnut wrote
it and it was about Rich Beam and his caddy
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and uh, I forget what the name of the book was,
but it was it was really insightful. Yes, Todd, Blood
Sweat and Tease. Um Fritzie just uh oh no, somebody
else just sent me this. Pedro threw a no hitter
for nine innings against the Padres, but the team hadn't
scored either. He lost his no hitter in the tenth
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or eleventh inning. Uh yeah, but still no no hitter
for Pedro. Yes, he's like Jacob Degram needs no hitters game.
Even then he might have a no hitter. We're gonna
have to go into the tenth inning here, poor guy. Yeah.
If you ever felt sorry for yes, yes, yes, I
mean not that sorry because he gets paid. But you
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just and I sometimes that happens with a certain pictures
where the team doesn't score, they just don't Keegan and Iowa, Hey, Keagan,
what's on your mind? Hey damn, hey, Keith, six one,
one sixty. I hate to do it, but I got
to defend the Toddler here. I remember my freshman year
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of high school basketball. Our coach lined us up in
layup lines and we did drills on how to take
a charge so you don't smack your head. Oh okay, well,
thank you, Keagan. So somebody agrees with you todd that
you you know you can take charges or practice it.
I just remember my little league basketball career. I was
an oh in twenty team and no one would pass
me the ball. I played on a team everyone was
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for some reason three years older than me. The ball
happened to bounce my way. I threw it and it
went over the backboard because there's no way I was
going to pass it back, and the coach gave me
one of these things with his finger, like, here's a
nice spot next to me on the bench. You're done
for the afternoon. Thank you, Todd. Welcome Nolan Ryan. Seven
no hitters, Sandy Kofax four, Justin Verlander three, Bob Feller three,
Sid Young three, Larry Corkrane three, Mike Fires two, Jake
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Carrietta two, Randy Johnson in there, Johnny Vandermere of course
do the back to back no hitters. Not a lot
of big names though, throwing those no hitters. Nolan Ryan,
I think seven no hitters and then had like twelve
one hitters. Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast.
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It was just about a week ago, a couple hours
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from now, where Adam Schefter came on Sports Center and
said basically that Aaron Rodgers wanted out of Green Bay.
Walk me through that. Did you get a phone call
or text? You know? Then? The funny part about it
is that I've heard people say, oh, Aaron Rodgers wanted
that out before the draft, and I could assure you
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Aaron Rodgers did not want that out before the draft.
I've had people say the Green Bay Packers planted that.
It was a very pro Packer story. I could assure
you the Greenbay Packers didn't plant that. When people guess
at where stories come from, more often than not, they're
usually wrong, and in this case they're wrong. This was
an accumulation all during the off season of just listening
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to people talk and observing. And if we go back
to the NFC Championship game that the Agreement Packers lost
at home, did we not hear Aaron Rodgers after that
game talk about his level of unhappiness if you will,
uncertainty for the future. Just go back and listen to
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that press conference, and it sounds almost like he's saying
goodbye to Green Bay. And so you're antenna is up,
And I'm just telling you. Throughout the course of the season,
there was rarely a week that went by where I
didn't hear something about Aaron Rodgers. And on Draft day
there's a report that morning from Paul Allen out in
Minneapolis that the forty nine ers made a draft offer,
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which they didn't make an offer. They never made an offer.
And the other people saying that the forty nine ers
called and I said, how long till it gets out
that Aaron Rodgers Monts had agree? Is it next week?
Is it next when he doesn't show to the OTAs,
is it next month when he isn't it's going to
come out. What does it matter if it comes out
now or next week or next month? And so so
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you chose to break the news on draft day? That
is actually that is absolutely accurate, correct. But it wasn't
something that you got information about. No o, okay, okay, no,
there was nothing that morning that came in and said
to me, yeah, he wants out, you should report this.
Like it was going on all off season. You just
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keep hearing it, and there was more and more talk,
and now they're starting to be on Rogers talking. I said,
you know what this isn't gonna wait much longer. Let's
just go. And it just happened to be drafted because
I wondered when you said it didn't come from Rogers,
didn't come from the Packers, and it's being characterized differently.
I was wondering, Okay, you're not gonna tell me your source.
You know, what was the motive behind that? Yeah, yeah,
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there's not a source. No, no, I know, but I
know that now. But we're just finding this out right now,
I said, I said around the NFL out, I said,
I said it, you know, I mean, I don't know.
People want to believe whatever they want to believe. It
was just an accumulation of information throughout the course the
entire off season. Did the Rams make an offer? The
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Rams inquired in January, and again that's an example. I
knew when they were calling and they were quickly rebuffed,
like the conversation went nowhere. But they checked in early
in January, and they were not the only team that
checked in. So, by the way, Dan, why are these
teams checking in because he's available or their hearing is available.
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Where are they hearing that? Are they hearing it from
the Packers? Are they hearing it from Aaron Rodgers, because
it has to come from one of those two. Right, Well,
I'm just saying that there was a lot of speculation
in league circles. However, you want to characterize that that
he was unhappy and wanted out, And then if you
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just again go back to the press conference, go back
to Jeopardy. Now, I he cou to play Jeopardy. He
could do Jeopardy, host Jeopardy and play football together. You
could do that. Yeah, but he's doing that, he's making
the comments he's making. I mean, you know, it's funny.
There were so many people that knew this of his
unhappiness that I think all I really there was shine
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a light on some of what had gone on the
fact that, you know, Mark Murphy, the Packers, isn't it
flown out to meet with him. The Packers GM Brian
Goodacuns had flown out to meet with him. Packer's head
coach Matt Lafloory had flown out to meet with him.
They're all trying to state their case, plead with him
to come back, explain to him why he should be
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in Green Bay. And by the way, doesn't appear that
any of them made any progress with him, So this
was all going on. But what can we confirm though
Adam does he want Brian Goodacoon's fired the GM, can
we confirm that. I've never said that, it doesn't No, No,
I'm just saying there's so much information out that other
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people have put out there that I don't know what
has been confirmed. I mean Rodgers hasn't said anything. I
mean even you know, did he refer to Goudacons as
Jerry Krauss. I don't know that. But let me say this,
there's so much stuff that's flowing around out there, some
of which is probably true, some of which probably isn't.
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And I would say this also, whatever was floating around
out there, whatever's being said, we probably don't know the
majority of the story. And I was saying this, like
when Tom Brady left in England. We think we might
have an idea, but I guarantee you one day we'll
hear more to that than what was just out there
being discussed on your show or ESPN or whatever it
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may be. And I believe that that's the case. Fran Rogers,
we know he was unhappy with some of the moves
the Packers made. We know that he didn't like that
day not only drafted Jordan Love, but didn't even tell
him they were drafting Jordan Love. We know that he
has issues with certain people, but we probably don't know
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a lot of the things that have really pissed him
off through the years in Green Bay that have been
building and plus, Dan, everybody gets like this, I think
at some point, and you're like, you're probably like this.
You get to a certain point. He got engaged over
the New Year, different life. He's been there seventeen years, right,
at some point everybody wants to try something different. You
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want to try something different at one point in time.
Did you know how old were you when that happened? Dan? Uh? Fifty? Okay,
Well Aaron Rodgers is fifteen? Quarterback? Here's right. Yeah, So
I mean, but do you know that he wants out?
He still wants out? Well, I know, I believe, Do
I know? Yeah? I know, Yeah, I believe, I believe.
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Do I know he wants out? What do we know?
Fully know? I have been told that he does not
want to be there by many people. Okay, so you
whatever that means he doesn't want to be there. Well,
I'm just trying to separate fact from fiction. Rumor from
innuendo and and and that's why I go to this source.
That's why I wanted to have you on, because it
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started with you. Now did I hear about the Rams thing? Later? Yes?
I did. I wondered about the Niners if you gave
them a do over, don't trade those draft picks to
the Dolphins, and you can have those draft picks with
the Packers. Have entertained a trade like that, No, I
don't believe. I don't believe they would have. You know,
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Kyle Shanahan called Mike Matt Lafloor that night to feel
it out, to see whether the Niners should make a run,
as these men have documented, and quickly was able to
ascertain if the Packers had at that time no interest
in dealing Aaron Rodgers. And so the talks never went anywhere,
just as they never went anywhere with the Los Angeles Rams.
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But then we are now in early May, and the
Packers have held firm to their stance. And the interesting
part becomes, now, over time, what happens to change this
particular dynamic. Does Aaron Rodgers sup in his dance? I
don't believe he will, but we'll see. Do agree with
Packers come off their stance of saying we won't trade him.
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I don't know right now. They don't have to make
a decision, right The fact of the matter is they
couldn't trade him until after June one anyway, due to
the salary cap numbers. If they trade him today, it
would be a third eight million dollars charge. If they
trade them post June one, it will be split up
to sixteen and twenty two between the two years. So
they can't even do anything for the next twenty six
twenty seven days, whatever that may be. So there's no
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reason for them to budge up that stance. They want
Aaron Rodgers to change his mind. They're going to continue
to hold out hope that he changes his mind, do
what they can to change his mind. I don't think
he will, but there's no rush right now, So potential
suitors here because if you think there's this stalemate continues
and Rogers doesn't want to play, at some point the
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Packers have to cut their losses and just say okay,
well hold on. But do they then, because they could
just say, you know what, Aaron, you don't want to
play anymore. You're not going to play here. We're not
going to trade you, and then it's just a standoff.
Now I don't think that serves anybody but nobody. Yeah,
nobody wins. But okay, do you want to be the
guy in Green Bay? Do you want to be the
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Mark Murphy the president the GM who trades Aaron Rodgers?
Do you want to do you want that on your resume? Then?
I think they already chose that direction by drafting Jordan
Love Adam Well. I agreed that. I mean that that's
where a lot of this starts. A lot of this again,
how much I don't know, but certainly a healthy portion
of it. And that was their decision. And so again
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they could say that, you know, as somebody said to
me yesterday, each side as levers, the Packers could say
we're not trading you and if you don't want to play,
you're never playing again. And oh, by the way, and
this would be really petty and really small and really
hard to imagine, but they could say, you also are
thirty million dollars in signing artist money. Now, I can't
believe that somebody who's done so much for one franchise
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would be subject to that where the team would come
after him for the money. But the Packers could do that.
It's a business. I mean, that's that would be their decision.
Aaron Rodgers. If he says I'm not showing up, they're
in trouble, and so to me, I've always felt like
Aaron Rodgers wants the Green Bay Packers to do everything here.
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He wants them to draft Georgiana, he wants them to
trade him. He doesn't want any of the mud on
his hands. And I've always felt like Aaron Rodgers has
got to get a little mud in his hands and
not worry about, not care because the one's gonna wash off.
All you have to do is say I love Green Bay,
love my seventeen years, the love the coaches, and I
love the players, my teammates. But they made their decision
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last year, and now with everything going on in my life,
I'm making the mind. It's not that hard, right. Sorry.
I know that he'll disappoint some people, but that's that's
where he's at. Why hasn't Rogers spoken at him. I
don't know that. That's a great question to me. He
can clear up a lot of this rumor innuendo. What's
factor No, no, no, it's not rumored. Into anything. He
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wants out. He wants out. He does not want to
be there. That's not a rumor, that's not innuendo. He
doesn't want to be there. Well, no, the other stuff
about you know, how he views Gooda Coons, you know,
the like there's there's other things there. You know. I
trust what you say that he wants out. But if
he does, say, hey, you know they they cut my
friend Jake Kumero. Okay, how important was that to this?
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You drafted Jordan Love You didn't give me a heads up.
Do I have my issues with Brian Gouda Koons? Yeah,
I mean, I mean I don't know, but at some
point I think he owes it to him himself and
the situation to just tell us what you feel, what
you think, instead of question to read into it. Okay,
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let me ask a question. I don't think he owes
that to us. Do you ever do you why did
Carson Palmer? Did he ever state why he held that
a Cincinnati and and want to more? Do we know
the reasons that he wanted to move on in full? Well, okay,
you don't owe it what the Packers fans. Yeah, Carson
eventually talked about it. Yes, he talked about he didn't
want to play for a losing organization anymore. He didn't
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like he didn't think that the Bengals were a NFL franchise.
You know, their practice facility was horror. I mean there's
a long thing list of things that Carson talked about there.
Well we ever get a full, full, honest explanation from
Time Brady about why he left New England. That's fair,
But but he was free to go, like Tom. Tom
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could Yeah, Tom could just walk away. He didn't have
to say anything. He was like, correct, here here is
my response to all of this. I'm leaving. I'm gonna
go play for the Buccaneers. This is different because you
got money that's tied up with Aaron h And granted
you did draft his replacement in New England, Jimmy G.
But we saw what happened with Tom Brady. Tom went
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above Belichick to make sure Jimmy G got escorted out
of the building. He had a power move. Here's here's
something interesting, Dan, This already unfolded, This very scenario unfolded
in the NFC. No noruth already this offseason, and no,
it was not with a Super Bowl winning MVP legendary quarterback,
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but it was with a former number one overall pick
the Lions in Matthew Stafford went through this dance already. Okay,
and maybe the Green Bay Pack and I don't know
when we've ever said this before, should take a pat
from the Detroit Lions playbook. And these two sides sat down,
agreed that they would be better a part and used
it to their advantage. Matthew Stafford now he wanted he
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wounded up in La. The Lions traded him, got three
ones back for that guy, so everybody won. It was
not messy. It was a clean divorce. But this is
this is like somebody said this to me this morning.
Then they said, it's like the couple that disagrees the
married couple where they won. Couple wants to go into therapy.
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The other couple wants to get the other person wants
to get a divorced. But they want the person who
who wants to go say we want the divorce. Ada
Rodgers doesn't want it. He wants them to do everything.
He wants them to draft toward and love. He wants
them to me and then he wants them to trade him.
Went to me, He's just got to come out and
literally cut the court for everybody and say I'm not
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coming back. But that's why I said, he's got to
say something at him. You're saying he felt that, okay,
but you said he didn't owe us No, no, no,
he doesn't. He owes the situation. So he can't. You
want clarity, finality, then you can. He can, he can,
he can create that finality, yes, clarity. No, I don't
think he's got to specify about Brian Gouda, counstro Jake Coomer.
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But he will give us clarity that he truly wants
out by saying I truly want out there. Now we
know I want I'm not coming back. Trade me. How
does this all? How does this all play out? You're betting, well,
it's it's the biggest question of the off season, and
it's the biggest question since Tom Baby became a free
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age of the last offseason in the NFL. And again, nobody,
the Packers don't have to do anything. Um my guess
is nobody will do anything until they have to. So
my guesses they'll be OTAs later this morning. He won't
be there, they'll be training camp. And does he show,
does he say I owe it to the who I
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really like and the players who I really like to
be there. Or does his feeling override all that and
has he made the ultimate decision his mind? It's done
and over and I don't know whether his stance softens.
Right Like again, people change their minds. That happens in life,
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in football, in business. I couldn't tell you how it's
going to work out. All I can tell you is
it is an issue. It's a big issue, and it's
not going away. Dan. Who's the starting quarterback for the
Packers Week one? That's a great question, right, you know,
I don't know that Jordan Love is ready for that,
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as much as his need. Franchise invested in him. When
you when you talk to people, that's that's the great part.
So if they if they move on, if somehow they
move on to Aaron Rodgers, they got to bring in
another quarterback at him. I think so Dan, I think
so Dan. The way it was described to me this
all season was I was telling people about Jordan Love,
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people that have watched him practice, and I said, how
is he? And the exact raise was He's got a
long way to go. Yeah. I figured, Hey, you're a
great sport coming on and clarifying it. I appreciate that. Well.
I don't know if I offer you much clarity, damn,
but I tried to do the best I could. Yeah,
I know, Well you did better than Rogers is doing
right now. Thank you, buddy, Adam Schefter The Adam Schefter Podcast.
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three a ser ago that drove the face off three
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fights simultaneously. Rooney and Dowd teacher Seppy going out it
with halfaway flock well clip one second is That's how
it started last night NBCSN, NHL and NBC Inside the
Glass analyst Pierre maguire was on the call for that
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game last night. It'll be on the call for tonight's
Rangers Bruins matchup NBCSN. Probably less fireworks in that one,
and Pierre kind enough to join us Pierre. When did
you sense that there was something that was going to
happen prior to or quickly after the puck was drawn.
Probably earlier in the afternoon, Dan, when I had a
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chance to talk to large Ell or the Washington Capitals.
The Washington Capitals clearly brought their a game, not just
athletically but physically as well, and I think they were
tired of some of the rhetoric that was going out
there about their team. I know the Rangers were very
tired about some of the rhetoric that was going on
around their team. So I think earlier in the afternoon
I kind of felt there was going to be some shenanigans. Ever,
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it's going to happen. Whether it happened at the start
of the game or the middle of the period, I
didn't know. But also, if you send the fourth line
out both teams, I'm guessing you're sending out your tough guys.
And that's not normal for a face off to start
a matchup, is it. Well. The one thing I'd give
Peter lave Let, the coach of the Washington Capital, is
a little leadway on that he doesn't get last change
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because he's on the road and usually the line that
you're talking about with Doubt Hathaway. At Haggling, they play
a lot against the other team's top lines, so I
don't think they were sure what exactly Mike Sullivan was
going to do. Mike sorry, not myself, and I apologize.
I'm thinking Pittsburgh what David Quinn was going to do.
But I would tell you this, David Quinn comes with
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his artillery. They don't have a lot of it obviously
with the Rangers, and then everything kind of gets gone.
Give us the backstory on this, Pierre Well, Obviously, the
Tom Wilson situation on Monday, Dan wasn't something that endeared anybody,
I think in the hockey world to what happened. I
mean it basically it was Tom Wilson getting involved to
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paddle Busnevitch and then eventually getting involved with our ten Pannaron.
Pannaron being a superstar player in the league and Tom
Wilson basically just tossing him down to the ice and
could have been very, very dangerous obviously, as you know,
without a helmet off, if he hits his head instead
of his shoulder, Dan, I think we have a very
large potential problem. Obviously, he hit his shoulder and not
nearly as much mayhem or or injury caused to Panarin.
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But that's really the backstory of this whole thing with
Tom Wilson and the New York Rangers. Okay, but five
thousand dollars, Fine, no suspension. It's not like Tom Wilson
doesn't have a rap sheet here. But can you factor
in priors with someone like Tom Wilson and should he
have been suspended? Well, I said last night, it begs
the question, why wouldn't you have suspended him for one game?
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And I think if you had suspended him for that
game last night, you wouldn't have had what we had.
And I'll just I won't use my words, Dan, I'll
use the words of Brendan Smith, who got involved and
fought Tom Wilson. He said at the end of the game.
I have no bad blood with anybody at the Washington Capitals.
I do with Tom Wilson. And so if Tom Wilson's
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not part of the equation, I don't think we have
or we had last night, explain the etiquette of fighting
in today's NHL. I don't know if I can. Things
have changed a lot because of the salary cap. It
used to be you could carry three or four extra
players that would be quote unquote enforcers. I don't think
we have the room the luxury of that anymore, not
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that I call it a luxury, but against the salary cap,
it's an issue. And now you know you need to
be a player. You just can't be a one dimensional
asset to a team in terms of police in a game.
You've got to be able to play, and if you can't,
then you're not valuable. I will say this, Dan, I
think it's really important. Tom Wilson's not a one dimensional player.
He's a really good, important power forward for the Washington Capitals.
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He was a major part of a Stanley Cup winning team.
He's not a knuckle dragger. He's a legitimate good player.
But sometimes he crosses the line. And he did that
the other night in New York. Okay, but how do
you get your message across? You know, I go back
to when the Oilers had Dave Simenko protecting Gretzky. How
do you how do you enforce without it being fighting
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in today's NHL. Well, I think there's a lot of
different ways you can own the pot the other team
takes penalty is trying to defend against you. You run
the score up on the power play. You can play
an aggressive four check game and target some of their defensemen.
You can create matchups that you talked about correctly off
the opening faceoff, where you put a debt player on
against a star player and you make sure that star
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player feels some physical pain. You can do all that stuff.
But the truth of the matter is, I would like
to have a player like Tom Wilson on my team.
I wish Rick Tockett was still playing in the NHL.
I had the privilege of coaching Rick. We want a
Stanley Cup with Rick in Pittsburgh in nineteen ninety two,
and a big reason why we want the physicality and
the dogged determination of Rick Hackett. They don't make play
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a lot of players like that anymore. They really don't.
Five thousand dollars for a guy who makes whatever, five
million dollars, I mean, that does seemed like that's really impactful.
Wouldn't you take a five thousand dollar hit if it
meant that you were sending a message to a team.
Mike Wilson did, yeah, but I don't know what message
he was sending in that situation. Now everybody said, oh,
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was a scrum around the net. Yeah, it was a
harmless scrum in a power place situation. He was out
there actually killing a penalty. He knew the Rangers didn't
have any artillery on the ice. So I don't know
what message he's trying to present. It's already a Washington
Capital's team that's down a lot of people because of
injury and COVID related instances, a team that's a legitimate
contender to win the Cup. So I don't know what
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message he was sending to the Rangers. That being said,
I think he got himself into trouble. Now. It's really
underscrutiny all the time. Every shift he takes in the league,
he's under scrutiny. Now, what's the NHL do, if anything? Today?
They've got to look at the Pavo Boutsnevit's cross check
on Anthony Mantha. I don't know what they're going to
do with that. That took place in the third period.
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I mean, that wasn't particularly good, So that's something they're
going to have to look at. But all that being said,
I think they have to look back and say, did
we handle the Tom Wilson situation correctly, Pierre. Great to
talk to you, buddy, and have fun tonight. Probably a
little less drama with the Rangers in bruins, right, Really
nice visity, Really, Dan, thanks a lot. That's Pierre McGuire.
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You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio. John Means's no hitter was the third of
the season already. I was curious, big name pitchers, Hall
of fame pitchers who haven't thrown no hitters, And Roger
Clements never did it, Pedro Martinez never did it. Greg
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Maddox never did it. Steve Carlton never did it. So
those are some I mean, how many starts do you
have with those pictures combined? Don Drysdale, Whitey Ford, Robin Roberts,
Early Win, Kurt Chilling, CC Sabathia. The best active pitcher
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without a no hitter Zach Grenky, I guess, but yeah,
pretty amazing. You start to look at those who have
no hitters, and why is it it's the guy that
you probably only haven't heard too much about. Now does
the does the opposition not get geared up when you're
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you're facing somebody like John Means? But if this was
you know somebody, well, I was going to say, the
Orioles don't have not necessarily a great pitching staff, but
you know Max Scherzer or Justin Verland, are you're going
to be facing them, You're probably going to be a
little bit more geared up. But Maddox I understand not
throwing a no hitter because he you know, he allowed
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them the opposition put the ball in play. Like he
got you out. He was not trying to strike you out.
But Carlton, strikeout guy, Shielding, strikeout guy, Clemens, strikeout guy.
You know those are the guys that you you have
no hitters. Yampo means was a couple of years ago.
He actually made the All Star team. In twenty nineteen,
he was twelve and eleven. He was second for Rookie
of the Year. Even though he's twenty six years old.
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He was second for Rookie of the Year. This year
he's four and oh and uh cy young candidate. He's
here's one point three seven. But there's always names like
I remember there's a guy for the Cardinals, probably fifteen
years going to Bud Bud Smith. I think it was
his second month in the league. He throws a no hitter.
I have no idea if he played ten more games
or two more years, or it happens sometimes in the majors.
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Remember Mike Weir from Canada, he won a Major. Yeah,
he won the Masters. I have no idea he's still playing. Yeah,
he's playing on the Champions Tour and playing well, but
then he never followed up. It's like a moment and
then you go, he won like two last week or
two weeks ago, he beat John Daly in a Champions
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Champions event. But yeah, you're right, you get that one moment.
And sometimes this happens in golf with majors, where you go,
Danny Willett has won the Masters, and you go and
we'll never hear from Danny Willett again. Probably who was
the guy who won in Minnesota? Rich Beam? Rich Beam
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won the PGA Championship. Little guy. He used to be
on the show all the time. Yeah, we had. He
was part of the book what is it not, Blood
Sweat and Beers. But it was something something that there
was a book that was based on Alan Schipnut wrote
it and it was about Rich Beam and his caddy
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and uh, I forget what the name of the book was,
but it was it was really insightful. Yes, Todd, Blood
Sweat and Tease. Um Fritzie just uh oh no, somebody
else just sent me this. Pedro threw a no hitter
for nine innings against the Padres, but the team hadn't
scored either. He lost his no hitter in the tenth
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or eleventh inning. Uh yeah, but still no no hitter
for Pedro. Yes, he's like Jacob Degram needs no hitters game.
Even then he might have a no hitter. We're gonna
have to go into the tenth inning here, poor guy. Yeah.
If you ever felt sorry for yes, yes, yes, I
mean not that sorry because he gets paid. But you
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just and I sometimes that happens with a certain pictures
where the team doesn't score, they just don't Keegan and Iowa, Hey, Keagan,
what's on your mind? Hey damn, hey, Keith, six one,
one sixty. I hate to do it, but I got
to defend the Toddler here. I remember my freshman year
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of high school basketball. Our coach lined us up in
layup lines and we did drills on how to take
a charge so you don't smack your head. Oh okay, well,
thank you, Keagan. So somebody agrees with you todd that
you you know you can take charges or practice it.
I just remember my little league basketball career. I was
an oh in twenty team and no one would pass
me the ball. I played on a team everyone was
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for some reason three years older than me. The ball
happened to bounce my way. I threw it and it
went over the backboard because there's no way I was
going to pass it back, and the coach gave me
one of these things with his finger, like, here's a
nice spot next to me on the bench. You're done
for the afternoon. Thank you, Todd. Welcome Nolan Ryan. Seven
no hitters, Sandy Kofax four, Justin Verlander three, Bob Feller three,
Sid Young three, Larry Corkrane three, Mike Fires two, Jake
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Carrietta two, Randy Johnson in there, Johnny Vandermere of course
do the back to back no hitters. Not a lot
of big names though, throwing those no hitters. Nolan Ryan,
I think seven no hitters and then had like twelve
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It was just about a week ago, a couple hours
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from now, where Adam Schefter came on Sports Center and
said basically that Aaron Rodgers wanted out of Green Bay.
Walk me through that. Did you get a phone call
or text? You know? Then? The funny part about it
is that I've heard people say, oh, Aaron Rodgers wanted
that out before the draft, and I could assure you
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Aaron Rodgers did not want that out before the draft.
I've had people say the Green Bay Packers planted that.
It was a very pro Packer story. I could assure
you the Greenbay Packers didn't plant that. When people guess
at where stories come from, more often than not, they're
usually wrong, and in this case they're wrong. This was
an accumulation all during the off season of just listening
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to people talk and observing. And if we go back
to the NFC Championship game that the Agreement Packers lost
at home, did we not hear Aaron Rodgers after that
game talk about his level of unhappiness if you will,
uncertainty for the future. Just go back and listen to
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that press conference, and it sounds almost like he's saying
goodbye to Green Bay. And so you're antenna is up,
And I'm just telling you. Throughout the course of the season,
there was rarely a week that went by where I
didn't hear something about Aaron Rodgers. And on Draft day
there's a report that morning from Paul Allen out in
Minneapolis that the forty nine ers made a draft offer,
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which they didn't make an offer. They never made an offer.
And the other people saying that the forty nine ers
called and I said, how long till it gets out
that Aaron Rodgers Monts had agree? Is it next week?
Is it next when he doesn't show to the OTAs,
is it next month when he isn't it's going to
come out. What does it matter if it comes out
now or next week or next month? And so so
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you chose to break the news on draft day? That
is actually that is absolutely accurate, correct. But it wasn't
something that you got information about. No o, okay, okay, no,
there was nothing that morning that came in and said
to me, yeah, he wants out, you should report this.
Like it was going on all off season. You just
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keep hearing it, and there was more and more talk,
and now they're starting to be on Rogers talking. I said,
you know what this isn't gonna wait much longer. Let's
just go. And it just happened to be drafted because
I wondered when you said it didn't come from Rogers,
didn't come from the Packers, and it's being characterized differently.
I was wondering, Okay, you're not gonna tell me your source.
You know, what was the motive behind that? Yeah, yeah,
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there's not a source. No, no, I know, but I
know that now. But we're just finding this out right now,
I said, I said around the NFL out, I said,
I said it, you know, I mean, I don't know.
People want to believe whatever they want to believe. It
was just an accumulation of information throughout the course the
entire off season. Did the Rams make an offer? The
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Rams inquired in January, and again that's an example. I
knew when they were calling and they were quickly rebuffed,
like the conversation went nowhere. But they checked in early
in January, and they were not the only team that
checked in. So, by the way, Dan, why are these
teams checking in because he's available or their hearing is available.
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Where are they hearing that? Are they hearing it from
the Packers? Are they hearing it from Aaron Rodgers, because
it has to come from one of those two. Right, Well,
I'm just saying that there was a lot of speculation
in league circles. However, you want to characterize that that
he was unhappy and wanted out, And then if you
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just again go back to the press conference, go back
to Jeopardy. Now, I he cou to play Jeopardy. He
could do Jeopardy, host Jeopardy and play football together. You
could do that. Yeah, but he's doing that, he's making
the comments he's making. I mean, you know, it's funny.
There were so many people that knew this of his
unhappiness that I think all I really there was shine
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a light on some of what had gone on the
fact that, you know, Mark Murphy, the Packers, isn't it
flown out to meet with him. The Packers GM Brian
Goodacuns had flown out to meet with him. Packer's head
coach Matt Lafloory had flown out to meet with him.
They're all trying to state their case, plead with him
to come back, explain to him why he should be
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in Green Bay. And by the way, doesn't appear that
any of them made any progress with him, So this
was all going on. But what can we confirm though
Adam does he want Brian Goodacoon's fired the GM, can
we confirm that. I've never said that, it doesn't No, No,
I'm just saying there's so much information out that other
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people have put out there that I don't know what
has been confirmed. I mean Rodgers hasn't said anything. I
mean even you know, did he refer to Goudacons as
Jerry Krauss. I don't know that. But let me say this,
there's so much stuff that's flowing around out there, some
of which is probably true, some of which probably isn't.
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And I would say this also, whatever was floating around
out there, whatever's being said, we probably don't know the
majority of the story. And I was saying this, like
when Tom Brady left in England. We think we might
have an idea, but I guarantee you one day we'll
hear more to that than what was just out there
being discussed on your show or ESPN or whatever it
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may be. And I believe that that's the case. Fran Rogers,
we know he was unhappy with some of the moves
the Packers made. We know that he didn't like that
day not only drafted Jordan Love, but didn't even tell
him they were drafting Jordan Love. We know that he
has issues with certain people, but we probably don't know
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a lot of the things that have really pissed him
off through the years in Green Bay that have been
building and plus, Dan, everybody gets like this, I think
at some point, and you're like, you're probably like this.
You get to a certain point. He got engaged over
the New Year, different life. He's been there seventeen years, right,
at some point everybody wants to try something different. You
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want to try something different at one point in time.
Did you know how old were you when that happened? Dan? Uh? Fifty? Okay,
Well Aaron Rodgers is fifteen? Quarterback? Here's right. Yeah, So
I mean, but do you know that he wants out?
He still wants out? Well, I know, I believe, Do
I know? Yeah? I know, Yeah, I believe, I believe.
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Do I know he wants out? What do we know?
Fully know? I have been told that he does not
want to be there by many people. Okay, so you
whatever that means he doesn't want to be there. Well,
I'm just trying to separate fact from fiction. Rumor from
innuendo and and and that's why I go to this source.
That's why I wanted to have you on, because it
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started with you. Now did I hear about the Rams thing? Later? Yes?
I did. I wondered about the Niners if you gave
them a do over, don't trade those draft picks to
the Dolphins, and you can have those draft picks with
the Packers. Have entertained a trade like that, No, I
don't believe. I don't believe they would have. You know,
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Kyle Shanahan called Mike Matt Lafloor that night to feel
it out, to see whether the Niners should make a run,
as these men have documented, and quickly was able to
ascertain if the Packers had at that time no interest
in dealing Aaron Rodgers. And so the talks never went anywhere,
just as they never went anywhere with the Los Angeles Rams.
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But then we are now in early May, and the
Packers have held firm to their stance. And the interesting
part becomes, now, over time, what happens to change this
particular dynamic. Does Aaron Rodgers sup in his dance? I
don't believe he will, but we'll see. Do agree with
Packers come off their stance of saying we won't trade him.
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I don't know right now. They don't have to make
a decision, right The fact of the matter is they
couldn't trade him until after June one anyway, due to
the salary cap numbers. If they trade him today, it
would be a third eight million dollars charge. If they
trade them post June one, it will be split up
to sixteen and twenty two between the two years. So
they can't even do anything for the next twenty six
twenty seven days, whatever that may be. So there's no
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reason for them to budge up that stance. They want
Aaron Rodgers to change his mind. They're going to continue
to hold out hope that he changes his mind, do
what they can to change his mind. I don't think
he will, but there's no rush right now, So potential
suitors here because if you think there's this stalemate continues
and Rogers doesn't want to play, at some point the
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Packers have to cut their losses and just say okay,
well hold on. But do they then, because they could
just say, you know what, Aaron, you don't want to
play anymore. You're not going to play here. We're not
going to trade you, and then it's just a standoff.
Now I don't think that serves anybody but nobody. Yeah,
nobody wins. But okay, do you want to be the
guy in Green Bay? Do you want to be the
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Mark Murphy the president the GM who trades Aaron Rodgers?
Do you want to do you want that on your resume? Then?
I think they already chose that direction by drafting Jordan
Love Adam Well. I agreed that. I mean that that's
where a lot of this starts. A lot of this again,
how much I don't know, but certainly a healthy portion
of it. And that was their decision. And so again
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they could say that, you know, as somebody said to
me yesterday, each side as levers, the Packers could say
we're not trading you and if you don't want to play,
you're never playing again. And oh, by the way, and
this would be really petty and really small and really
hard to imagine, but they could say, you also are
thirty million dollars in signing artist money. Now, I can't
believe that somebody who's done so much for one franchise
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would be subject to that where the team would come
after him for the money. But the Packers could do that.
It's a business. I mean, that's that would be their decision.
Aaron Rodgers. If he says I'm not showing up, they're
in trouble, and so to me, I've always felt like
Aaron Rodgers wants the Green Bay Packers to do everything here.
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He wants them to draft Georgiana, he wants them to
trade him. He doesn't want any of the mud on
his hands. And I've always felt like Aaron Rodgers has
got to get a little mud in his hands and
not worry about, not care because the one's gonna wash off.
All you have to do is say I love Green Bay,
love my seventeen years, the love the coaches, and I
love the players, my teammates. But they made their decision
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last year, and now with everything going on in my life,
I'm making the mind. It's not that hard, right. Sorry.
I know that he'll disappoint some people, but that's that's
where he's at. Why hasn't Rogers spoken at him. I
don't know that. That's a great question to me. He
can clear up a lot of this rumor innuendo. What's
factor No, no, no, it's not rumored. Into anything. He
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wants out. He wants out. He does not want to
be there. That's not a rumor, that's not innuendo. He
doesn't want to be there. Well, no, the other stuff
about you know, how he views Gooda Coons, you know,
the like there's there's other things there. You know. I
trust what you say that he wants out. But if
he does, say, hey, you know they they cut my
friend Jake Kumero. Okay, how important was that to this?
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You drafted Jordan Love You didn't give me a heads up.
Do I have my issues with Brian Gouda Koons? Yeah,
I mean, I mean I don't know, but at some
point I think he owes it to him himself and
the situation to just tell us what you feel, what
you think, instead of question to read into it. Okay,
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let me ask a question. I don't think he owes
that to us. Do you ever do you why did
Carson Palmer? Did he ever state why he held that
a Cincinnati and and want to more? Do we know
the reasons that he wanted to move on in full? Well, okay,
you don't owe it what the Packers fans. Yeah, Carson
eventually talked about it. Yes, he talked about he didn't
want to play for a losing organization anymore. He didn't
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like he didn't think that the Bengals were a NFL franchise.
You know, their practice facility was horror. I mean there's
a long thing list of things that Carson talked about there.
Well we ever get a full, full, honest explanation from
Time Brady about why he left New England. That's fair,
But but he was free to go, like Tom. Tom
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could Yeah, Tom could just walk away. He didn't have
to say anything. He was like, correct, here here is
my response to all of this. I'm leaving. I'm gonna
go play for the Buccaneers. This is different because you
got money that's tied up with Aaron h And granted
you did draft his replacement in New England, Jimmy G.
But we saw what happened with Tom Brady. Tom went
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above Belichick to make sure Jimmy G got escorted out
of the building. He had a power move. Here's here's
something interesting, Dan, This already unfolded, This very scenario unfolded
in the NFC. No noruth already this offseason, and no,
it was not with a Super Bowl winning MVP legendary quarterback,
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but it was with a former number one overall pick
the Lions in Matthew Stafford went through this dance already. Okay,
and maybe the Green Bay Pack and I don't know
when we've ever said this before, should take a pat
from the Detroit Lions playbook. And these two sides sat down,
agreed that they would be better a part and used
it to their advantage. Matthew Stafford now he wanted he
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wounded up in La. The Lions traded him, got three
ones back for that guy, so everybody won. It was
not messy. It was a clean divorce. But this is
this is like somebody said this to me this morning.
Then they said, it's like the couple that disagrees the
married couple where they won. Couple wants to go into therapy.
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The other couple wants to get the other person wants
to get a divorced. But they want the person who
who wants to go say we want the divorce. Ada
Rodgers doesn't want it. He wants them to do everything.
He wants them to draft toward and love. He wants
them to me and then he wants them to trade him.
Went to me, He's just got to come out and
literally cut the court for everybody and say I'm not
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coming back. But that's why I said, he's got to
say something at him. You're saying he felt that, okay,
but you said he didn't owe us No, no, no,
he doesn't. He owes the situation. So he can't. You
want clarity, finality, then you can. He can, he can,
he can create that finality, yes, clarity. No, I don't
think he's got to specify about Brian Gouda, counstro Jake Coomer.
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But he will give us clarity that he truly wants
out by saying I truly want out there. Now we
know I want I'm not coming back. Trade me. How
does this all? How does this all play out? You're betting, well,
it's it's the biggest question of the off season, and
it's the biggest question since Tom Baby became a free
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age of the last offseason in the NFL. And again, nobody,
the Packers don't have to do anything. Um my guess
is nobody will do anything until they have to. So
my guesses they'll be OTAs later this morning. He won't
be there, they'll be training camp. And does he show,
does he say I owe it to the who I
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really like and the players who I really like to
be there. Or does his feeling override all that and
has he made the ultimate decision his mind? It's done
and over and I don't know whether his stance softens.
Right Like again, people change their minds. That happens in life,
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in football, in business. I couldn't tell you how it's
going to work out. All I can tell you is
it is an issue. It's a big issue, and it's
not going away. Dan. Who's the starting quarterback for the
Packers Week one? That's a great question, right, you know,
I don't know that Jordan Love is ready for that,
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as much as his need. Franchise invested in him. When
you when you talk to people, that's that's the great part.
So if they if they move on, if somehow they
move on to Aaron Rodgers, they got to bring in
another quarterback at him. I think so Dan, I think
so Dan. The way it was described to me this
all season was I was telling people about Jordan Love,
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people that have watched him practice, and I said, how
is he? And the exact raise was He's got a
long way to go. Yeah. I figured, Hey, you're a
great sport coming on and clarifying it. I appreciate that. Well.
I don't know if I offer you much clarity, damn,
but I tried to do the best I could. Yeah,
I know, Well you did better than Rogers is doing
right now. Thank you, buddy, Adam Schefter The Adam Schefter Podcast.
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hackled Vicdowd and Gardard Hathaway. They combined for two goals
three a ser ago that drove the face off three
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fights simultaneously. Rooney and Dowd teacher Seppy going out it
with halfaway flock well clip one second is That's how
it started last night NBCSN, NHL and NBC Inside the
Glass analyst Pierre maguire was on the call for that
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game last night. It'll be on the call for tonight's
Rangers Bruins matchup NBCSN. Probably less fireworks in that one,
and Pierre kind enough to join us Pierre. When did
you sense that there was something that was going to
happen prior to or quickly after the puck was drawn.
Probably earlier in the afternoon, Dan, when I had a
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chance to talk to large Ell or the Washington Capitals.
The Washington Capitals clearly brought their a game, not just
athletically but physically as well, and I think they were
tired of some of the rhetoric that was going out
there about their team. I know the Rangers were very
tired about some of the rhetoric that was going on
around their team. So I think earlier in the afternoon
I kind of felt there was going to be some shenanigans. Ever,
(23:53):
it's going to happen. Whether it happened at the start
of the game or the middle of the period, I
didn't know. But also, if you send the fourth line
out both teams, I'm guessing you're sending out your tough guys.
And that's not normal for a face off to start
a matchup, is it. Well. The one thing I'd give
Peter lave Let, the coach of the Washington Capital, is
a little leadway on that he doesn't get last change
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because he's on the road and usually the line that
you're talking about with Doubt Hathaway. At Haggling, they play
a lot against the other team's top lines, so I
don't think they were sure what exactly Mike Sullivan was
going to do. Mike sorry, not myself, and I apologize.
I'm thinking Pittsburgh what David Quinn was going to do.
But I would tell you this, David Quinn comes with
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his artillery. They don't have a lot of it obviously
with the Rangers, and then everything kind of gets gone.
Give us the backstory on this, Pierre Well, Obviously, the
Tom Wilson situation on Monday, Dan wasn't something that endeared anybody,
I think in the hockey world to what happened. I
mean it basically it was Tom Wilson getting involved to
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paddle Busnevitch and then eventually getting involved with our ten Pannaron.
Pannaron being a superstar player in the league and Tom
Wilson basically just tossing him down to the ice and
could have been very, very dangerous obviously, as you know,
without a helmet off, if he hits his head instead
of his shoulder, Dan, I think we have a very
large potential problem. Obviously, he hit his shoulder and not
nearly as much mayhem or or injury caused to Panarin.
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But that's really the backstory of this whole thing with
Tom Wilson and the New York Rangers. Okay, but five
thousand dollars, Fine, no suspension. It's not like Tom Wilson
doesn't have a rap sheet here. But can you factor
in priors with someone like Tom Wilson and should he
have been suspended? Well, I said last night, it begs
the question, why wouldn't you have suspended him for one game?
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And I think if you had suspended him for that
game last night, you wouldn't have had what we had.
And I'll just I won't use my words, Dan, I'll
use the words of Brendan Smith, who got involved and
fought Tom Wilson. He said at the end of the game.
I have no bad blood with anybody at the Washington Capitals.
I do with Tom Wilson. And so if Tom Wilson's
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not part of the equation, I don't think we have
or we had last night, explain the etiquette of fighting
in today's NHL. I don't know if I can. Things
have changed a lot because of the salary cap. It
used to be you could carry three or four extra
players that would be quote unquote enforcers. I don't think
we have the room the luxury of that anymore, not
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that I call it a luxury, but against the salary cap,
it's an issue. And now you know you need to
be a player. You just can't be a one dimensional
asset to a team in terms of police in a game.
You've got to be able to play, and if you can't,
then you're not valuable. I will say this, Dan, I
think it's really important. Tom Wilson's not a one dimensional player.
He's a really good, important power forward for the Washington Capitals.
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He was a major part of a Stanley Cup winning team.
He's not a knuckle dragger. He's a legitimate good player.
But sometimes he crosses the line. And he did that
the other night in New York. Okay, but how do
you get your message across? You know, I go back
to when the Oilers had Dave Simenko protecting Gretzky. How
do you how do you enforce without it being fighting
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in today's NHL. Well, I think there's a lot of
different ways you can own the pot the other team
takes penalty is trying to defend against you. You run
the score up on the power play. You can play
an aggressive four check game and target some of their defensemen.
You can create matchups that you talked about correctly off
the opening faceoff, where you put a debt player on
against a star player and you make sure that star
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player feels some physical pain. You can do all that stuff.
But the truth of the matter is, I would like
to have a player like Tom Wilson on my team.
I wish Rick Tockett was still playing in the NHL.
I had the privilege of coaching Rick. We want a
Stanley Cup with Rick in Pittsburgh in nineteen ninety two,
and a big reason why we want the physicality and
the dogged determination of Rick Hackett. They don't make play
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a lot of players like that anymore. They really don't.
Five thousand dollars for a guy who makes whatever, five
million dollars, I mean, that does seemed like that's really impactful.
Wouldn't you take a five thousand dollar hit if it
meant that you were sending a message to a team.
Mike Wilson did, yeah, but I don't know what message
he was sending in that situation. Now everybody said, oh,
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was a scrum around the net. Yeah, it was a
harmless scrum in a power place situation. He was out
there actually killing a penalty. He knew the Rangers didn't
have any artillery on the ice. So I don't know
what message he's trying to present. It's already a Washington
Capital's team that's down a lot of people because of
injury and COVID related instances, a team that's a legitimate
contender to win the Cup. So I don't know what
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message he was sending to the Rangers. That being said,
I think he got himself into trouble. Now. It's really
underscrutiny all the time. Every shift he takes in the league,
he's under scrutiny. Now, what's the NHL do, if anything? Today?
They've got to look at the Pavo Boutsnevit's cross check
on Anthony Mantha. I don't know what they're going to
do with that. That took place in the third period.
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I mean, that wasn't particularly good, So that's something they're
going to have to look at. But all that being said,
I think they have to look back and say, did
we handle the Tom Wilson situation correctly, Pierre. Great to
talk to you, buddy, and have fun tonight. Probably a
little less drama with the Rangers in bruins, right, Really
nice visity, Really, Dan, thanks a lot. That's Pierre McGuire.
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