May 11, 2021 • 37 mins
On today's Dan Patrick Show, DP reacts to the Jags signing of Tim Tebow. Should he be getting a chance, at a position he's never played, after not playing the sport for multiple years? Tom Silverstein, Packers beat reporter for the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel joins us to discuss where we're at with the Aaron Rodgers saga. And ESPN's Kurkjian calls in to explain whether Dodgers fans should begin to worry given their start
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio. Tim Tebow his success at the University of
Florida was probably a blessing and a curse for the
former Heisman Trophy winner because it did provide him with
multiple opportunities, multiple opportunities to try to play quarterback in
the NFL, and then he switched to play baseball, and
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that was a cash grab for the Mets. They were
using Tebow. Tebow didn't mind having the opportunity to maybe
show that he could play baseball, and now here he
is back with the NFL. He's expected to sign a
one year deal with the Jags to play tight end.
Problem is, he's thirty three and he hasn't played tight
end before. Other than that productive players like Logan Thomas.
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He was a quarterback Virginia Tech. He's now a good
tight end, A jack of all trades. Taysom Hill, quarterback
at BYU, jack of all trades. Tebow hasn't played football
since the twenty fifteen preseason. Presumably they are younger players
with more speed who actually played tight end, But you
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have to think that the JAG's head coach Urban Meyer
is bringing in Tim Tebow for his leadership, not necessarily
for his skill. And maybe he's bringing him in as
a favor, and that's understandable. It's a ninety man roster.
That doesn't mean that he makes the team. I think
it might be I'll do you a favor. Come on in.
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These guys are neighbors in Jacksonville. They live a couple
of houses from each other. Now that doesn't mean Urban
Meyer wants to bank on Tim Tebow being his starting
tight end. I think we've made that big leap from
all they're they're gonna sign Tebow. Okay, let me wait
and see if he makes the roster here. This is
a ninety man roster. When they get it down to
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fifty three, is Tim Tebow still there? And he might
be fourth or fifth on the depth chart. I don't
know if he can block an edge usher. I don't
know if he can get off a block and get
down field. I don't know what he capable of running.
I don't know his hands. I don't know if he
can catch. But I'm curious how it started Tebow call.
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Did he just go, Hey, I'm gonna go get some
sugar from a coach. I'm gonna go knock on his door, Hey, coach, Uh,
can I borrow some sugar and play tight end for you?
What some sugar in play tight end for you? Maybe
serviceable tight end? Uh? Yeah, sure, come on in. I
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mean the Jags have five tight ends on their roster
right now. You might go, who are those tight ends? Yeah,
you're right. They don't have a big name, but uh,
you know James O'Shaughnessy. You have Chris man Hurts, Luke Farrell.
Did you say Chris Man Hurts. You made that up? No,
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you made that up. Chris Man hurt Man Hurts, Ben
Ellefson and Tyler Davis. Man Hurts was signed in free agency.
He has twelve catches in seventy career games. O'Shaughnessy has
eighty eight catches in six seasons with Kansas City in Jacksonville.
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Ellefson has one career catch. Davis played in eight games
last season after Jag selected him in the sixth round.
Farrell is the team's fifth round pick this year. I
believe he's out of Ohio State. Somebody's losing a job
in this group here. I don't know how many tight
ends you normally keep, but they do have a roster there.
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Meyer and Tebow did something special at Florida and maybe
they can recapture some of that Tebow magic, Tebow time,
a surprise second football life for Tim. Yes, todd Man,
it's gonna hurt if Tebow takes his spot. I don't
know how you can possibly look yourself in the mirror
after that. And here's the wind up and the pitch.
Thank you, todd Yeah, I'm not up in arms about it.
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There are a lot of players, former players, who were saying,
why is he getting a chance here? I mean, what
is the down sign? Here? Can you play? I don't
think urban Meyer is going to keep him on the
fifty three man roster if he can't play. But urban
Meyer does had total autonomy there, and maybe this is
one of those Hey, you didn't make the team, do
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you want to stay on my coaching staff. That's the
feeling I got is and this is why I thought
Alex Smith was going to go to Jacksonville and maybe
back up Trevor Lawrence, just to give him some guidance.
He has a relationship with urban Meyer from their days
when they played at Utah. He quarterbacked at Utah and
he just said he didn't want to play anymore. But
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maybe Tim Tebow goes in and then he stays on
the staff as an assistant coach, and I don't think
anybody would have a problem with that. But this has
got the NFL up in arms. How dare Tim Tebow
take away a roster spot. I don't know if he's
going to the ninety man, that's different than the fifty three. Now,
if he makes the fifty three, then we could have
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a discussion there. Yeah, Paully, I just checked the Jacksonville
Jaguars shop dot com and no Tibo Jersey. Yet you
need Trevor Lawrence. I got eight different options for you,
Travis et n Yeah, because those nothing for Tebow's big
with I was like, the NBA will keep an old
player on the rock like Udanni's. Hasslim is actually still
on the heat roster. He doesn't play. But then Jowan
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Howard did this forever, like, but the NFL feels like
you can't really do that, just keep a player coach.
But but they didn't take nine years off. Tim hasn't
played football in nine years, right, But Hasslim doesn't even
get in the games. He's just a coach that happened
to stick on the roster. Yeah, that's really what Tibo
would be if he happens to make the team, right
or would he play well, He's still taking a roster spot.
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That's that That's what has a lot of the former
players upset. It feels like, how dare him take a
roster spot here? Now you can say, did he take
a roster spot in the Mets farm system? I guess
he did, But I blame that on the Mets. I mean,
if the Mets didn't sign Tim Tebow, I don't think
anybody else was going to. That was, hey, we're going
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to use you, Tim, you can use us and maybe
you get a chance to play in the major leagues.
It didn't work out. Now he's trying to play tight
end at age thirty three, which is what a lot
of us suggested to Tim, me included years ago. Did
you ever as soon as you would bring that up,
he'd shut it down. Why don't you try tight nump?
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I want to play quarterback? And I understand that a
lot of this is the ego. I won the Heisman
Trophy as a quarterback. I won a playoff game in Denver.
I'm a quarterback. And then you realize you're not. I mean,
if Taysom Hill said I'm only a quarterback, he might
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not be in the league. Antoine Randall l if he said, hey,
I want to play quarterback, he wouldn't have had that career.
But he did. He had a great career. Eric Crouch
famously didn't want to be a kick returner or wide
receiver with the Rams. He wanted to be a quarterback.
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your prime with M drive, Yes, Paul, isn't. Isn't it
fascinating how many lives Tebow has. He's managed every couple
of years to pop up, have some relevancy. You know,
he's a mat for a couple of years, then you
know college game day, good really good media gig and
then one last call at age thirty three to play
for the Jaguars. With this young, hot quarterback fascinating. I
just want to wait until they get to camp. Let's
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see what happens. Let's see if he can play the position.
I don't think urban Meyer is going to keep him
on the roster to do him a favor because Urban
ultimately has to win. Who gives us the best chance
of winning. Now, you might say that they don't have
a formidable lineup of tight ends there, and they don't.
But if Tim Tebow gets a chance, maybe that's all
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he's asking, like one last chance. Let's see. Okay, it
didn't work out, and it didn't work out with my
former coach. Now I know I can put all of
this to rest because there's no more baseball, there'd be
no more football, and that he could be an analyst
if he wanted to with the Mothership, or he could
be an assistant coach there. But also understand this is
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a business, like the NFL is a reality show. It
truly is the ultimate reality show. If you can somehow
cash in on Tim Tebow, would Shod Khan and the
Jags be opposed to that? Answers No, you call hard
knocks right away, and you say, hey, come on down,
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come on we got Trevor Lawrence, Urban Meyer and Tim
Tebow make hard knocks all about Tim Tebow, and you
have that dramatic voice, the former Heisman Trophy winner just
can't seem to hang on. Then they drops the ball
they had the music you build. Urban shakes his head.
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Trevor Lawrence throws it to Tim Tebow. Oh be so exciting.
Let me see if he makes the fifty three man roster.
Who wants to bet on Tim Tebow making the fifty
three man roster here, not the practice squad. No, he
is opening day roster. Suit it up, suit it up,
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Ready to go, coach, Put me in, coach, I'm ready
to play. Who wants a piece of that? Tim Tebow
is on the field in a uniform. Week one crickets, rickets, Paulie.
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How many tight ends can you have on a roster?
Is a rule against it? No? I don't think I
think you can have you know, ten if you want. Mclovin.
Would teams normally carry three two? Three? Yeah, I'm not sure,
but I don't know if they're carrying enough for him.
I go thumps down. Okay, I don't think they can
keep five or six? You want to do that as
a pole. By the way, does he make the team? Okay?
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What do you think, Paul? Do most NBA NFL teams
keep two or three active quarterbacks these days? Is it
generally two active? Usually two? And then you have an
inactive practice squadish? Yeah, that's like you know, the Packers
are bringing in quarterbacks like Chad Kelly and they but
they have to do that because Jordan Love was inactive.
He wasn't even dressed to play in games last year.
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They have to have a backup quarterback. They may have
to have a starting quarter back here, but they were
expected when Adam Schefter joined us, he said they're going
to be bringing in quarterbacks. That wasn't news. What happened
yesterday that the Packers announced they're bringing in some candidates here. Yeah,
MC club. So if you're Tebow and if you do
have a three quarters, you're in the tight ye room.
Do you sneak down the hallway to just sit in
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on some quarterback meetings? Do you think he would try that?
Not unless he's invited. That's a room by way. Gardner
Minshew I think is still there. It feels like Gardner
Minshew can end up in Green Bay for some reason
like that would be that would be a quality backup quarterback.
I don't know if Jacksonville, you know, would trade him,
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but it feels like if if you're Green Bay, my
first round pick is not ready, and could I get
somebody who would be ready? Because this is a team
that is, you know, obviously a super Bowl caliber team.
And if you don't have Aaron Rodgers, then who can
you have in there as a backup quarterback? Yeah? Mclub,
did we just lay the Tebow story to Aaron Rodgers somehow?
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If I can get a link, if I can link
it to Lebron James and then the Cowboys. I got
a home run here. Somehow work his ankle into this,
and yes, his ankle, and then you have Dak Prescott
who had the ankle's surgery Lebron is he a Cowboys fan? Yeah? Yeah,
here we go. We got it all here. Yeah. I
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did see a story that the Jags and the Cowboys
are the two front runners for hard knocks. This is
from like a month ago on NFL dot Com. I mean,
the Cowboys always sell at hard knocks, But what don't
you want to see the Jags? Now? Well, what am
I going to see with the Cowboys in training camp.
Now you might see Michael Parsons, who's a big personality,
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their first round draft pick. Uh, you know, the return
of Dak Prescott from you know, ankle surgery. Uh, what else?
I mean, Jerry's always going to be front and center.
I would think urban Meyer's first year. Now, if I'm
urban Meyer, I don't want the cameras there my first year, Like,
I want to ease into this. I don't want any
more distractions than I'm gonna already. Have you signed Tim Tibow? Yeah, exactly,
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I did that just as of faith, just as a favor. Yes,
there's a note in here. They don't have to be
on hard knocks. You know, there's rules becaut a first
year coach, but they want to be shot. Kahn has
requested the league that hey, what so maybe maybe they
want this circus. Well, this is um this is the
first start here. This is certainly the entree into hard
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knocks where you go, Okay, got urban You got Trevor Lawrence? Wait,
you you just signed him? Yes, we'll have you on.
That wouldn't be enough to have urban Meyer and Trevor Lawrence.
You got Tim Tebow? We can, we can work with that.
By the way, the most receptions by tight ends in
twenty twenty. Just to give you an idea of where
the Jags are on that list. Uh, Darren Waller, who
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was originally a wide receiver one hundred and seven catches.
Travis Kelsey was a quarterback in high school. He had
one hundred and five catches. Logan Thomas, originally a quarterback,
seventy two catches. There. All right, it's not out of
the realm of possibilities here, but I will say those
three players that I just mentioned are incredible athletes. Tim
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was just a big guy on a great team and
did wonderful things, you know, but then all of a sudden,
he got to the pros, had a long delivery. He
wasn't his fast or quick. You know. He They were
a mismatch with just about every team they played against.
And he could run and he could throw well enough,
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and that's all you needed. At Florida there was I mean,
that's one of the more talented teams we've had in
college football in a long long time. Tim got to
the NFL and he just couldn't play. You know. The
release isn't quick, He's not quick. He's still a big,
powerful guy. But I I don't know. Well, we'll get this,
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you know, see what urban Meyer needs to see from
Tim Tebow? Yeah, Paul, we have a snarky tweak to
the Tim Tebow beats. Instead of you, will you make
the rosters career receptions for Tim deebo a half? Is
the over under a half a reception for his career?
Where would you go a half of a catch? I'm
gonna go under. I'm gonna do the under. I didn't
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do the under the Jags. This is on NFL dot Com.
The Jags will get the nod in twenty twenty one.
For Hard Knocks, We'll start with the background. The only
team that's publicly stated a desire to be the focus
of Hard Knocks. There's never been enough buzz around the
team demerit serious consideration. That's no longer the case, Urban Meyer,
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Trevor Lawrence. So looks like the Jags will be a
hard Knocks and then you throw in Tim Tebow. Sure,
I think we got ourselves a TV show. Sure to
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Radio and the iHeart Radio app. Tom Silverstein covers the Packers,
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and he's been a busy man here, but he's taken
time out for us. He covers the Packers for the
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. Let me start with the Tebows story.
Let me give you something different here, Tom, what do
you think about Tim Tebow's chances of making the Jags
h Let's see. I would say they're probably akin to
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Rogers plan for the Bears. Maybe. Oh, okay, that that
would probably be my equation there, right, quiet week after
a wild week. So where do you Is it a
good thing if you're a Packers fan that it's been quiet,
it's probably a good thing. Yes, you know, so many
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things were fired right on draft day, and then she
had all the reverberations after that and little nuggets coming out,
and now I think it's just down to time. I
think time is the one element that could make this
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thing go away. It's possible. I still don't believe that
it's gonna end well, but you know what time you
start to people start to think differently and view things differently,
and suddenly you get closer to actual season starting and
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training camp and then maybe things flip a little bit.
So that's really what it's going to come down to.
In my opinion, Okay, why don't you think it'll work
out for Rogers and the Packers. Well, one, I just
think that with Aaron Rodgers, when there's an issue and
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he holds a grudge, it's it's a grudge forever. It's
not something that he gets over very easily. This could
be a little bit different in that maybe he just
wanted to make his point and that there's some things
that they could do. I'm starting to you're starting to
see signs that maybe he does want to come back.
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I mean you're seeing his surrogates start to say, well,
you know, it's not as bad as you think it is.
And you know, everything you hear from either sources or
people who've played with him or anything like that, it's,
in my opinion, it's coming from him. So maybe there
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is a chance for reconciliation. Yeah, I'm just trying to
sort through a fact in fiction here, Tom, And I
know that you have to do this too, because there's
so much that's been reported. I don't like nobody says yeah,
that's absolutely true. No, that's resolutely falls because Aaron hasn't
said anything, and it's I mean, it's tough to navigate this,
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but I'm curious of the national view as opposed to
the local view of this. Are they different? Yeah? I
mean I think from a local standpoint now, if we're
talking about the view of what this whole thing is about, yes,
I think it's it's different if we're talking about the
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viewpoint of how this will end up. I'm not sure
that you know, the local people here also feel like
this is not going to end well and that he's
going to probably wind up somewhere else. But I mean
from the standpoint of what this is all about. You know,
we deal with Aaron on a regular basis and know
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a lot about them, and also know a lot about
the Packers and Brian Grutekunst and what they've done to,
you know, build around Rogers. And you know, there's a
sentiment all through the national media that he's not had
anybody to play with through his most of his career,
and of us locally know about Greg Jennings and Jordy
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Nelson and Drew Michael Finley and Randall Cobb and DeVante Adams,
and I'm forgetting a bunch of people in a really
good offensive line. So I think there is some difference. Yeah,
and then you start to look at possible destinations here
for Aaron Rodgers. Why is Denver standing out over everybody else?
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At least that that feels like Denver is the front
runner if he doesn't stay in Green Bay. Yeah, it
does to me too. I don't know why. I guess
maybe for one, it's got to be in the AFC,
you know, just history tells us it's got to be
in the AFC. Ted Thompson delt Brett Fire to the Jets,
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and Brian Boudecunst is a Thompson disciple. He's not going
to trade him, you know, to anyone in the NFC.
I don't think that could beat him. So that's number one.
Then you look at Denver. I just think that, and
I'm speculating some here, but John Elway has got to
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know what an MVP quarterback can do for him. They
did it with Peyton Manning, and Alway won two Super
Bowls at the end of his career, and so why
couldn't Rogers win too for Denver. That's kind of my
vice sentiment or my thought on why it would be
Denver Now it could be the Raiders. I think that
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probably would be very logical. I'm not sure that Aaron
Rodgers would know what he's getting into if he goes
to play for John Gruden, But you know, Denver, Denver
just seems more logical to me. If you could get
real answers, honest answers from Rogers or somebody within the
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Packers organization, who would you want to talk to today? Rogers,
no question. I mean, let's hear it, you know, right
right from him. I want to hear what his gripes are,
what is real and what isn't real? And is he
really dug in? I mean, that's that's a sense. I
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get that he is so dug in that he's never
going to play for the Packers again. But then you
always get the mixed messages from his former teammates who
are now sort of moving the dial a little bit
towards he'll come back. You certain things are changed. I
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don't know if it's going to require Briden Gruticus to
take out a billboard and green Bay that he's sorry
he drafted for you to fly a lamp over Lambeau.
You know, I'm sorry, Aaron. I don't know. I really
don't know. Now you just trying to figure out what
the time frame is on all of this, and so
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Jordan's Love is not going to be ready again this year?
Is that? Is that right? That's my gut feeling. You know,
when it was kind of tough last year because train
camp was shortened, we only got to see Jordan's Love
a little and I'm by we, I mean the media,
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and then during once practice starter for the season, you
almost never see him. You just saw him throwing drills
on air, so you couldn't really tell where he was at.
The coaches give you the usual that he's advancing, but
you know, Brian Godkin's made it pretty clear when he
drafted him that this is a two or three year project.
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And that's kind of where I don't understand from Roger's standpoint,
why there's he feels threatened about it because he should
be able to beat this guy out this year and
next year and maybe even the year after that, and
I think he could fulfill his contract easily. But you know,
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if he plays like if he plays like he did
last year, this year, how do they cut up? I mean,
how do you cut a guy? What if he wins
the Super Bowl? How do you cut a super Bowl
quarterback and move on to the next guy. I just
I don't that's the part, the insecurity part that I
don't understand. Tom. Thank you for joining us. I know
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you've been busy covering this. We appreciate your time any time. Dan.
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Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Tim Kirchin, ESPN, Hi, Timmy,
how are you. I'm good Dad. I have not been
avoiding you when I do that I used to be
on your show every Friday. It was great. Yeah, you
know what, I'm gonna blame Fritzie for that. Fritzie, why
(25:39):
haven't you had Tim Kirchin. I it is a major oversight.
I love Timmy and I have no excuse for that.
But at all, Fritzie's always going, let's get for duci
on and I go in Rosenthal. I said, wow, what
about Kirchin? I did say, Buster can't do it today?
So what about We were okay with it. It's great
to have you on, Tim, great to talk to you again.
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And you know, we were talking about this with the
strikeouts when we were growing up. If you struck out
one hundred times as a hitter, that was embarrassing. Now
it's okay. At what point did it did we change
where it's okay to strike out in baseball? For me, Dan,
it came in the mid eighties when Vo Jackson, Jim Presley, Robbed,
(26:23):
Dear Pete Incavelia. They all came to the big leagues
at the same time, big strong guys, swung as hard
as they could. At twenty five thirty homers year, struck
out one hundred and fifty times and ever since then
it has been okay to kay, that's about thirty five years,
but the last five to ten years this is completely
(26:44):
out of control. Now a thousand and ninety two more
strikeouts in April than there were hits. It is ridiculous.
You talk about one hundred strikeout guys DAN. From nineteen
hundred to nineteen sixty three combined, there were ninety four
individual players who struck out one hundred times, and now
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every year we have one hundred and sixty guys or
so who strike out one hundred times or more. It's
amazing what we're watching these days. And it's mostly because
the stuff these guys see on a nightly basis is
ridiculously good. The velocity is so far off the charts,
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and yet it's the secondary stuff that's even better than
the velocity. And it comes down to this. When Jacob deGrom,
Max Scherzer, Garrett Cole are dealing and they're locating, our
hitters have no chance against them. They don't just make
it out, they strike out. It's remarkable what we're watching
every night now. But also, and I know it's I'm
(27:49):
to get off my lawn guy, but put the ball
in play like put put your bat on the ball,
and you don't see that. And this is what I
miss with baseball. It's subtle, but it is the hit
and run a stolen base hitting it the other way.
Oh there's a shift on. Oh my gosh, how about
you just hit it where there's nobody over there? So
(28:12):
I can you see somebody embracing what Whitey Herzog had
with the Cardinals, where it's going to be speed and
defense and running like something that's counterintuitive to what we have.
Will we have a team that does that? No, Dan,
we won't. That Cardinal team was built for doing that.
They played on AstroTurf. They had a bunch of really
(28:34):
fast guys. They beat the ball into the ground and
outran everybody. We don't play that game anymore, Dan, I
did the game last night, Ravi, Eduardo president I, and
we had two bunths for a hit, and we had
two sacrifice bunts last night and one was a squeeze
and I almost started. I'm so happy to see that
(28:55):
because we don't play that game anymore. I mean, look
at the Yankees. I'm doing the Yankee game tonight with
Ravvi and Eduardo. The Yankees don't have a triple. Yet
they have seven stolen bases all season, which is a
lot for them, but it's the fuse in the league,
and they average about one double per game. This is
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where we are. If you don't hit the ball out
of the ballpark, as most teams do, you simply don't
win these days. And I desperately miss growing up at
a time where Rod Carew would dump a bunt and
get a hit, Brett Butler would drag one to the
right side and get a hit, And we don't have
that anymore. And I miss it because I think those
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are the most skillful, exciting parts of the game, and
I think we're all a little bit tired of just
watching guys hit it as far as they can and
strike it out three times in between. I was also
wondering about the pitching stats here. We've had four no
hitters already this season. If it's a swing and miss
league and nobody's putting the ball in play, then we're
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probably gonna the single season no hit record, I'm gonna guess,
or we should be flirting with it right well, eight
is the record that was done in the eighteen hundreds.
But Dan, you're right, we have lost the value of
the hit in the game. Today, we're no longer interested.
Nor are our hitters being taught to hit a hard
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groundball through that hole over there. They're not interested in
getting a single. Last year, Dan, the Reds who made
the playoffs, had more walks than singles. It's the first
time in history any team has finished with more walks
than singles. That's where we are now. But I'm going
to try to defend our hitters because I'm with you
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on this. Can we please just put it in play?
Can we please beat the shift over there? But our
guys have been swinging the same way for fifteen years.
They have one swing and it's beautiful. And if you
run into that bad path, it's not a liner to left,
it's a home run. To ask these guys who have
been hitting the same way for fifteen years, Okay, we're
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gonna make a big change tonight. We want you to
choke up and hit it to right field, and we
want you to do it against Max Scherzer tonight. Good
luck with that. It's like telling a basketball player, you know,
the way you've been shooting for all these years, we
want you to change your shooting motion tonight and we
want you to not follow the flight of the ball.
A lot of guys still do that. That's a hard
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thing to do. So I think to ask a hitter, hey,
we want you to make a change, and we want
you to go out and get a hit off of
Justin Bieber. Well, good luck with that. So that's the
concern is this is a this is going to take
years to make the change, and we're gonna have to
literally go to batting cages where ten year olds are
hitting and tell them, all right, this is what we
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want you to do. We want you to hit it
over there, and we don't want you to try to
get it up in the air every single time. You
just called Shane Bieber Justin Bieber. I did not, did
I really? And I wouldn't know Justin Bieber if I
fell over. I'm sorry what happened to you. This is
why we don't have Tim Kirchin on Todd. Justin Bieber
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is all about it. I'm sorry that that's terrible. You
know what, We'll take it out of the rear, okay,
So don't don't worry about that. We'll clean it up. Well,
I don't know anything about music, and I just found
out the other day that Chris Martin is the lead
singer in cold Play. I wouldn't know one of their songs,
and did they hit me over the head either, So
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anything that is pop culture wise, just leave me out.
What's the last concert you attended? Well, I've only been
to three in my whole life, and I'm sixty four
years old. I went to see Dan Fogelberg in college
on a date that was a disaster. By the way,
then wait, why was it a disaster? Well, me and
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a woman in college. I had no idea what to do.
That's why it was a disaster. And by the way,
that still goes today. So you were striking out before
at the rate of today's baseball players, way worse than
today's right, Yes, I didn't even try at you didn't
have a launch angle, did you, right? And then my daughter,
my daughter in the eighth grade, we went to see
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Yellow Card, which I kept getting mixed up. I kept
calling him a green Card because I get I can
miss them up with Green Day or something, and stupid
me having been to one concert in my life, I
was told concert starts at seven thirty. So I have
five eighth grade girls in my car and I think,
all right, concert starts at seven thirty, will be done
by nine oh, by ten, it'll be great. They had
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like four bands play before Yellow Card or Green Card
or whatever they were called, and they went on at
ten thirty. We got home at like one thirty in
the morning on a school night. The women were like
ready to kill me. It was so bad. And then
I saw Kenny Chesney at Syracuse when we dropped our
daughter off for college about ten years ago. So I'm
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sixty four and I've been to three concerts in my life,
and I just found out the other day Molly Hatchett
is not a woman. Someone should have told me that
before this. How are the Dodgers? Do you start when
you start to worry if you're a Dodger fan? Here,
Tim Well, they've lost fifteen out of twenty, and during
that stretch only the Tigers have played worse than the Dodgers.
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Who knew this is the ultimate beauty of the game, Dan,
the Warriors and their great days never never had a
five and fifteen stretch where you wondered, are they okay?
The Dodgers are gonna be fine. They got a bunch
of injuries, they haven't hit in two weeks. It's gonna change.
They're gonna be the best team in baseball by the
end of the year. But it just shows you when
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people ask me when the season started, well, the Dodgers
win one hundred and seventeen games this year, I said, no,
it's too hard to do that in today's game. So
this is a bad rough patch for them. They'll get
out of it. They'll be great before long. Do you
still play basketball? Yeah? I played. The other This was
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so bad. I was at a gym and I was
just shooting by myself and these two kids came up
to me, and there was another like old guy in
there shooting at another hoop. The two kids, probably ten
years old, said, do you guys want to play two
on two? So I assumed the two old guys would
pair up and we'd have a little you know, a
young guy and an old guy. Instead, the two little
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guys wanted to play the two old guys two on two.
So that was the last time that I played. And
I took that ten year old to the rack. To
believe me, I was pretty proud of because he was
bigger than I was. So now you used to play
hoops with Cal Ripkin. All right, yess how good was
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rip You know? Amazing Dan? He never played in high
school and he became a great basketball player. I mean
he's so big and so strong around the rim. You
just cannot move him with those giant legs in the lane.
So if I made this is terrible. I should never
say this. He asked me once, He said, show me
how to do that move that you do. Okay, and
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it's a little guy move that If I can't make
that play, I can't play anywhere, all right. So I
show it to him. And it took me like a
year to perfect that move for me. So I showed
it to him, and then we played like three days
later and he's using that move in the game. Three days.
It took him, but you know what he did. You
know what he did. He practiced that. He went into
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the gym by himself and worked on this little shake
with his left hand and then crossed to his right
the move I showed him. He had it in three days.
It took me. It took me a year. He had
it in three days. That's how great an athlete he is. See,
this is why we have Tim kirchin On. I love
Tim Kirchen. I don't understand how this happened. Way too long.
D doesn't have stories like this, are right? That was
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That's my bad. I got confused. Now Rosenthal does, but
Verducci does. Not a bad phone line anyway. Oh we
have a story. Yeah, Tim, it's great to talk to
you about he always you put a smile on my face.
You love the game. I'd like to love the game more.
Let's put it that way. And they make it hard sometimes. Yeah, well,
we're getting back to it. Dan, don't worry. But thanks
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for having me on today. It's really nice to see it.
Great to see you, Timmy. Be sure to catch the
live edition of The Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine
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You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio. Tim Tebow his success at the University of
Florida was probably a blessing and a curse for the
former Heisman Trophy winner because it did provide him with
multiple opportunities, multiple opportunities to try to play quarterback in
the NFL, and then he switched to play baseball, and
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that was a cash grab for the Mets. They were
using Tebow. Tebow didn't mind having the opportunity to maybe
show that he could play baseball, and now here he
is back with the NFL. He's expected to sign a
one year deal with the Jags to play tight end.
Problem is, he's thirty three and he hasn't played tight
end before. Other than that productive players like Logan Thomas.
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He was a quarterback Virginia Tech. He's now a good
tight end, A jack of all trades. Taysom Hill, quarterback
at BYU, jack of all trades. Tebow hasn't played football
since the twenty fifteen preseason. Presumably they are younger players
with more speed who actually played tight end, But you
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have to think that the JAG's head coach Urban Meyer
is bringing in Tim Tebow for his leadership, not necessarily
for his skill. And maybe he's bringing him in as
a favor, and that's understandable. It's a ninety man roster.
That doesn't mean that he makes the team. I think
it might be I'll do you a favor. Come on in.
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These guys are neighbors in Jacksonville. They live a couple
of houses from each other. Now that doesn't mean Urban
Meyer wants to bank on Tim Tebow being his starting
tight end. I think we've made that big leap from
all they're they're gonna sign Tebow. Okay, let me wait
and see if he makes the roster here. This is
a ninety man roster. When they get it down to
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fifty three, is Tim Tebow still there? And he might
be fourth or fifth on the depth chart. I don't
know if he can block an edge usher. I don't
know if he can get off a block and get
down field. I don't know what he capable of running.
I don't know his hands. I don't know if he
can catch. But I'm curious how it started Tebow call.
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Did he just go, Hey, I'm gonna go get some
sugar from a coach. I'm gonna go knock on his door, Hey, coach, Uh,
can I borrow some sugar and play tight end for you?
What some sugar in play tight end for you? Maybe
serviceable tight end? Uh? Yeah, sure, come on in. I
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mean the Jags have five tight ends on their roster
right now. You might go, who are those tight ends? Yeah,
you're right. They don't have a big name, but uh,
you know James O'Shaughnessy. You have Chris man Hurts, Luke Farrell.
Did you say Chris Man Hurts. You made that up? No,
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you made that up. Chris Man hurt Man Hurts, Ben
Ellefson and Tyler Davis. Man Hurts was signed in free agency.
He has twelve catches in seventy career games. O'Shaughnessy has
eighty eight catches in six seasons with Kansas City in Jacksonville.
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Ellefson has one career catch. Davis played in eight games
last season after Jag selected him in the sixth round.
Farrell is the team's fifth round pick this year. I
believe he's out of Ohio State. Somebody's losing a job
in this group here. I don't know how many tight
ends you normally keep, but they do have a roster there.
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Meyer and Tebow did something special at Florida and maybe
they can recapture some of that Tebow magic, Tebow time,
a surprise second football life for Tim. Yes, todd Man,
it's gonna hurt if Tebow takes his spot. I don't
know how you can possibly look yourself in the mirror
after that. And here's the wind up and the pitch.
Thank you, todd Yeah, I'm not up in arms about it.
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There are a lot of players, former players, who were saying,
why is he getting a chance here? I mean, what
is the down sign? Here? Can you play? I don't
think urban Meyer is going to keep him on the
fifty three man roster if he can't play. But urban
Meyer does had total autonomy there, and maybe this is
one of those Hey, you didn't make the team, do
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you want to stay on my coaching staff. That's the
feeling I got is and this is why I thought
Alex Smith was going to go to Jacksonville and maybe
back up Trevor Lawrence, just to give him some guidance.
He has a relationship with urban Meyer from their days
when they played at Utah. He quarterbacked at Utah and
he just said he didn't want to play anymore. But
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maybe Tim Tebow goes in and then he stays on
the staff as an assistant coach, and I don't think
anybody would have a problem with that. But this has
got the NFL up in arms. How dare Tim Tebow
take away a roster spot. I don't know if he's
going to the ninety man, that's different than the fifty three. Now,
if he makes the fifty three, then we could have
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a discussion there. Yeah, Paully, I just checked the Jacksonville
Jaguars shop dot com and no Tibo Jersey. Yet you
need Trevor Lawrence. I got eight different options for you,
Travis et n Yeah, because those nothing for Tebow's big
with I was like, the NBA will keep an old
player on the rock like Udanni's. Hasslim is actually still
on the heat roster. He doesn't play. But then Jowan
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Howard did this forever, like, but the NFL feels like
you can't really do that, just keep a player coach.
But but they didn't take nine years off. Tim hasn't
played football in nine years, right, But Hasslim doesn't even
get in the games. He's just a coach that happened
to stick on the roster. Yeah, that's really what Tibo
would be if he happens to make the team, right
or would he play well, He's still taking a roster spot.
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That's that That's what has a lot of the former
players upset. It feels like, how dare him take a
roster spot here? Now you can say, did he take
a roster spot in the Mets farm system? I guess
he did, But I blame that on the Mets. I mean,
if the Mets didn't sign Tim Tebow, I don't think
anybody else was going to. That was, hey, we're going
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to use you, Tim, you can use us and maybe
you get a chance to play in the major leagues.
It didn't work out. Now he's trying to play tight
end at age thirty three, which is what a lot
of us suggested to Tim, me included years ago. Did
you ever as soon as you would bring that up,
he'd shut it down. Why don't you try tight nump?
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I want to play quarterback? And I understand that a
lot of this is the ego. I won the Heisman
Trophy as a quarterback. I won a playoff game in Denver.
I'm a quarterback. And then you realize you're not. I mean,
if Taysom Hill said I'm only a quarterback, he might
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not be in the league. Antoine Randall l if he said, hey,
I want to play quarterback, he wouldn't have had that career.
But he did. He had a great career. Eric Crouch
famously didn't want to be a kick returner or wide
receiver with the Rams. He wanted to be a quarterback.
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your prime with M drive, Yes, Paul, isn't. Isn't it
fascinating how many lives Tebow has. He's managed every couple
of years to pop up, have some relevancy. You know,
he's a mat for a couple of years, then you
know college game day, good really good media gig and
then one last call at age thirty three to play
for the Jaguars. With this young, hot quarterback fascinating. I
just want to wait until they get to camp. Let's
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see what happens. Let's see if he can play the position.
I don't think urban Meyer is going to keep him
on the roster to do him a favor because Urban
ultimately has to win. Who gives us the best chance
of winning. Now, you might say that they don't have
a formidable lineup of tight ends there, and they don't.
But if Tim Tebow gets a chance, maybe that's all
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he's asking, like one last chance. Let's see. Okay, it
didn't work out, and it didn't work out with my
former coach. Now I know I can put all of
this to rest because there's no more baseball, there'd be
no more football, and that he could be an analyst
if he wanted to with the Mothership, or he could
be an assistant coach there. But also understand this is
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a business, like the NFL is a reality show. It
truly is the ultimate reality show. If you can somehow
cash in on Tim Tebow, would Shod Khan and the
Jags be opposed to that? Answers No, you call hard
knocks right away, and you say, hey, come on down,
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come on we got Trevor Lawrence, Urban Meyer and Tim
Tebow make hard knocks all about Tim Tebow, and you
have that dramatic voice, the former Heisman Trophy winner just
can't seem to hang on. Then they drops the ball
they had the music you build. Urban shakes his head.
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Trevor Lawrence throws it to Tim Tebow. Oh be so exciting.
Let me see if he makes the fifty three man roster.
Who wants to bet on Tim Tebow making the fifty
three man roster here, not the practice squad. No, he
is opening day roster. Suit it up, suit it up,
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Ready to go, coach, Put me in, coach, I'm ready
to play. Who wants a piece of that? Tim Tebow
is on the field in a uniform. Week one crickets, rickets, Paulie.
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How many tight ends can you have on a roster?
Is a rule against it? No? I don't think I
think you can have you know, ten if you want. Mclovin.
Would teams normally carry three two? Three? Yeah, I'm not sure,
but I don't know if they're carrying enough for him.
I go thumps down. Okay, I don't think they can
keep five or six? You want to do that as
a pole. By the way, does he make the team? Okay?
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What do you think, Paul? Do most NBA NFL teams
keep two or three active quarterbacks these days? Is it
generally two active? Usually two? And then you have an
inactive practice squadish? Yeah, that's like you know, the Packers
are bringing in quarterbacks like Chad Kelly and they but
they have to do that because Jordan Love was inactive.
He wasn't even dressed to play in games last year.
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They have to have a backup quarterback. They may have
to have a starting quarter back here, but they were
expected when Adam Schefter joined us, he said they're going
to be bringing in quarterbacks. That wasn't news. What happened
yesterday that the Packers announced they're bringing in some candidates here. Yeah,
MC club. So if you're Tebow and if you do
have a three quarters, you're in the tight ye room.
Do you sneak down the hallway to just sit in
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on some quarterback meetings? Do you think he would try that?
Not unless he's invited. That's a room by way. Gardner
Minshew I think is still there. It feels like Gardner
Minshew can end up in Green Bay for some reason
like that would be that would be a quality backup quarterback.
I don't know if Jacksonville, you know, would trade him,
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but it feels like if if you're Green Bay, my
first round pick is not ready, and could I get
somebody who would be ready? Because this is a team
that is, you know, obviously a super Bowl caliber team.
And if you don't have Aaron Rodgers, then who can
you have in there as a backup quarterback? Yeah? Mclub,
did we just lay the Tebow story to Aaron Rodgers somehow?
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If I can get a link, if I can link
it to Lebron James and then the Cowboys. I got
a home run here. Somehow work his ankle into this,
and yes, his ankle, and then you have Dak Prescott
who had the ankle's surgery Lebron is he a Cowboys fan? Yeah? Yeah,
here we go. We got it all here. Yeah. I
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did see a story that the Jags and the Cowboys
are the two front runners for hard knocks. This is
from like a month ago on NFL dot Com. I mean,
the Cowboys always sell at hard knocks, But what don't
you want to see the Jags? Now? Well, what am
I going to see with the Cowboys in training camp.
Now you might see Michael Parsons, who's a big personality,
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their first round draft pick. Uh, you know, the return
of Dak Prescott from you know, ankle surgery. Uh, what else?
I mean, Jerry's always going to be front and center.
I would think urban Meyer's first year. Now, if I'm
urban Meyer, I don't want the cameras there my first year, Like,
I want to ease into this. I don't want any
more distractions than I'm gonna already. Have you signed Tim Tibow? Yeah, exactly,
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I did that just as of faith, just as a favor. Yes,
there's a note in here. They don't have to be
on hard knocks. You know, there's rules becaut a first
year coach, but they want to be shot. Kahn has
requested the league that hey, what so maybe maybe they
want this circus. Well, this is um this is the
first start here. This is certainly the entree into hard
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knocks where you go, Okay, got urban You got Trevor Lawrence? Wait,
you you just signed him? Yes, we'll have you on.
That wouldn't be enough to have urban Meyer and Trevor Lawrence.
You got Tim Tebow? We can, we can work with that.
By the way, the most receptions by tight ends in
twenty twenty. Just to give you an idea of where
the Jags are on that list. Uh, Darren Waller, who
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was originally a wide receiver one hundred and seven catches.
Travis Kelsey was a quarterback in high school. He had
one hundred and five catches. Logan Thomas, originally a quarterback,
seventy two catches. There. All right, it's not out of
the realm of possibilities here, but I will say those
three players that I just mentioned are incredible athletes. Tim
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was just a big guy on a great team and
did wonderful things, you know, but then all of a sudden,
he got to the pros, had a long delivery. He
wasn't his fast or quick. You know. He They were
a mismatch with just about every team they played against.
And he could run and he could throw well enough,
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and that's all you needed. At Florida there was I mean,
that's one of the more talented teams we've had in
college football in a long long time. Tim got to
the NFL and he just couldn't play. You know. The
release isn't quick, He's not quick. He's still a big,
powerful guy. But I I don't know. Well, we'll get this,
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you know, see what urban Meyer needs to see from
Tim Tebow? Yeah, Paul, we have a snarky tweak to
the Tim Tebow beats. Instead of you, will you make
the rosters career receptions for Tim deebo a half? Is
the over under a half a reception for his career?
Where would you go a half of a catch? I'm
gonna go under. I'm gonna do the under. I didn't
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do the under the Jags. This is on NFL dot Com.
The Jags will get the nod in twenty twenty one.
For Hard Knocks, We'll start with the background. The only
team that's publicly stated a desire to be the focus
of Hard Knocks. There's never been enough buzz around the
team demerit serious consideration. That's no longer the case, Urban Meyer,
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Trevor Lawrence. So looks like the Jags will be a
hard Knocks and then you throw in Tim Tebow. Sure,
I think we got ourselves a TV show. Sure to
catch the live edition of The Dan Patrick Show weekdays
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Radio and the iHeart Radio app. Tom Silverstein covers the Packers,
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and he's been a busy man here, but he's taken
time out for us. He covers the Packers for the
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. Let me start with the Tebows story.
Let me give you something different here, Tom, what do
you think about Tim Tebow's chances of making the Jags
h Let's see. I would say they're probably akin to
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Rogers plan for the Bears. Maybe. Oh, okay, that that
would probably be my equation there, right, quiet week after
a wild week. So where do you Is it a
good thing if you're a Packers fan that it's been quiet,
it's probably a good thing. Yes, you know, so many
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things were fired right on draft day, and then she
had all the reverberations after that and little nuggets coming out,
and now I think it's just down to time. I
think time is the one element that could make this
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thing go away. It's possible. I still don't believe that
it's gonna end well, but you know what time you
start to people start to think differently and view things differently,
and suddenly you get closer to actual season starting and
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training camp and then maybe things flip a little bit.
So that's really what it's going to come down to.
In my opinion, Okay, why don't you think it'll work
out for Rogers and the Packers. Well, one, I just
think that with Aaron Rodgers, when there's an issue and
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he holds a grudge, it's it's a grudge forever. It's
not something that he gets over very easily. This could
be a little bit different in that maybe he just
wanted to make his point and that there's some things
that they could do. I'm starting to you're starting to
see signs that maybe he does want to come back.
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I mean you're seeing his surrogates start to say, well,
you know, it's not as bad as you think it is.
And you know, everything you hear from either sources or
people who've played with him or anything like that, it's,
in my opinion, it's coming from him. So maybe there
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is a chance for reconciliation. Yeah, I'm just trying to
sort through a fact in fiction here, Tom, And I
know that you have to do this too, because there's
so much that's been reported. I don't like nobody says yeah,
that's absolutely true. No, that's resolutely falls because Aaron hasn't
said anything, and it's I mean, it's tough to navigate this,
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but I'm curious of the national view as opposed to
the local view of this. Are they different? Yeah? I
mean I think from a local standpoint now, if we're
talking about the view of what this whole thing is about, yes,
I think it's it's different if we're talking about the
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viewpoint of how this will end up. I'm not sure
that you know, the local people here also feel like
this is not going to end well and that he's
going to probably wind up somewhere else. But I mean
from the standpoint of what this is all about. You know,
we deal with Aaron on a regular basis and know
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a lot about them, and also know a lot about
the Packers and Brian Grutekunst and what they've done to,
you know, build around Rogers. And you know, there's a
sentiment all through the national media that he's not had
anybody to play with through his most of his career,
and of us locally know about Greg Jennings and Jordy
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Nelson and Drew Michael Finley and Randall Cobb and DeVante Adams,
and I'm forgetting a bunch of people in a really
good offensive line. So I think there is some difference. Yeah,
and then you start to look at possible destinations here
for Aaron Rodgers. Why is Denver standing out over everybody else?
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At least that that feels like Denver is the front
runner if he doesn't stay in Green Bay. Yeah, it
does to me too. I don't know why. I guess
maybe for one, it's got to be in the AFC,
you know, just history tells us it's got to be
in the AFC. Ted Thompson delt Brett Fire to the Jets,
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and Brian Boudecunst is a Thompson disciple. He's not going
to trade him, you know, to anyone in the NFC.
I don't think that could beat him. So that's number one.
Then you look at Denver. I just think that, and
I'm speculating some here, but John Elway has got to
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know what an MVP quarterback can do for him. They
did it with Peyton Manning, and Alway won two Super
Bowls at the end of his career, and so why
couldn't Rogers win too for Denver. That's kind of my
vice sentiment or my thought on why it would be
Denver Now it could be the Raiders. I think that
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probably would be very logical. I'm not sure that Aaron
Rodgers would know what he's getting into if he goes
to play for John Gruden, But you know, Denver, Denver
just seems more logical to me. If you could get
real answers, honest answers from Rogers or somebody within the
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Packers organization, who would you want to talk to today? Rogers,
no question. I mean, let's hear it, you know, right
right from him. I want to hear what his gripes are,
what is real and what isn't real? And is he
really dug in? I mean, that's that's a sense. I
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get that he is so dug in that he's never
going to play for the Packers again. But then you
always get the mixed messages from his former teammates who
are now sort of moving the dial a little bit
towards he'll come back. You certain things are changed. I
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don't know if it's going to require Briden Gruticus to
take out a billboard and green Bay that he's sorry
he drafted for you to fly a lamp over Lambeau.
You know, I'm sorry, Aaron. I don't know. I really
don't know. Now you just trying to figure out what
the time frame is on all of this, and so
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Jordan's Love is not going to be ready again this year?
Is that? Is that right? That's my gut feeling. You know,
when it was kind of tough last year because train
camp was shortened, we only got to see Jordan's Love
a little and I'm by we, I mean the media,
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and then during once practice starter for the season, you
almost never see him. You just saw him throwing drills
on air, so you couldn't really tell where he was at.
The coaches give you the usual that he's advancing, but
you know, Brian Godkin's made it pretty clear when he
drafted him that this is a two or three year project.
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And that's kind of where I don't understand from Roger's standpoint,
why there's he feels threatened about it because he should
be able to beat this guy out this year and
next year and maybe even the year after that, and
I think he could fulfill his contract easily. But you know,
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if he plays like if he plays like he did
last year, this year, how do they cut up? I mean,
how do you cut a guy? What if he wins
the Super Bowl? How do you cut a super Bowl
quarterback and move on to the next guy. I just
I don't that's the part, the insecurity part that I
don't understand. Tom. Thank you for joining us. I know
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you've been busy covering this. We appreciate your time any time. Dan.
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Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Tim Kirchin, ESPN, Hi, Timmy,
how are you. I'm good Dad. I have not been
avoiding you when I do that I used to be
on your show every Friday. It was great. Yeah, you
know what, I'm gonna blame Fritzie for that. Fritzie, why
(25:39):
haven't you had Tim Kirchin. I it is a major oversight.
I love Timmy and I have no excuse for that.
But at all, Fritzie's always going, let's get for duci
on and I go in Rosenthal. I said, wow, what
about Kirchin? I did say, Buster can't do it today?
So what about We were okay with it. It's great
to have you on, Tim, great to talk to you again.
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And you know, we were talking about this with the
strikeouts when we were growing up. If you struck out
one hundred times as a hitter, that was embarrassing. Now
it's okay. At what point did it did we change
where it's okay to strike out in baseball? For me, Dan,
it came in the mid eighties when Vo Jackson, Jim Presley, Robbed,
(26:23):
Dear Pete Incavelia. They all came to the big leagues
at the same time, big strong guys, swung as hard
as they could. At twenty five thirty homers year, struck
out one hundred and fifty times and ever since then
it has been okay to kay, that's about thirty five years,
but the last five to ten years this is completely
(26:44):
out of control. Now a thousand and ninety two more
strikeouts in April than there were hits. It is ridiculous.
You talk about one hundred strikeout guys DAN. From nineteen
hundred to nineteen sixty three combined, there were ninety four
individual players who struck out one hundred times, and now
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every year we have one hundred and sixty guys or
so who strike out one hundred times or more. It's
amazing what we're watching these days. And it's mostly because
the stuff these guys see on a nightly basis is
ridiculously good. The velocity is so far off the charts,
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and yet it's the secondary stuff that's even better than
the velocity. And it comes down to this. When Jacob deGrom,
Max Scherzer, Garrett Cole are dealing and they're locating, our
hitters have no chance against them. They don't just make
it out, they strike out. It's remarkable what we're watching
every night now. But also, and I know it's I'm
(27:49):
to get off my lawn guy, but put the ball
in play like put put your bat on the ball,
and you don't see that. And this is what I
miss with baseball. It's subtle, but it is the hit
and run a stolen base hitting it the other way.
Oh there's a shift on. Oh my gosh, how about
you just hit it where there's nobody over there? So
(28:12):
I can you see somebody embracing what Whitey Herzog had
with the Cardinals, where it's going to be speed and
defense and running like something that's counterintuitive to what we have.
Will we have a team that does that? No, Dan,
we won't. That Cardinal team was built for doing that.
They played on AstroTurf. They had a bunch of really
(28:34):
fast guys. They beat the ball into the ground and
outran everybody. We don't play that game anymore, Dan, I
did the game last night, Ravi, Eduardo president I, and
we had two bunths for a hit, and we had
two sacrifice bunts last night and one was a squeeze
and I almost started. I'm so happy to see that
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because we don't play that game anymore. I mean, look
at the Yankees. I'm doing the Yankee game tonight with
Ravvi and Eduardo. The Yankees don't have a triple. Yet
they have seven stolen bases all season, which is a
lot for them, but it's the fuse in the league,
and they average about one double per game. This is
(29:16):
where we are. If you don't hit the ball out
of the ballpark, as most teams do, you simply don't
win these days. And I desperately miss growing up at
a time where Rod Carew would dump a bunt and
get a hit, Brett Butler would drag one to the
right side and get a hit, And we don't have
that anymore. And I miss it because I think those
(29:38):
are the most skillful, exciting parts of the game, and
I think we're all a little bit tired of just
watching guys hit it as far as they can and
strike it out three times in between. I was also
wondering about the pitching stats here. We've had four no
hitters already this season. If it's a swing and miss
league and nobody's putting the ball in play, then we're
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probably gonna the single season no hit record, I'm gonna guess,
or we should be flirting with it right well, eight
is the record that was done in the eighteen hundreds.
But Dan, you're right, we have lost the value of
the hit in the game. Today, we're no longer interested.
Nor are our hitters being taught to hit a hard
(30:19):
groundball through that hole over there. They're not interested in
getting a single. Last year, Dan, the Reds who made
the playoffs, had more walks than singles. It's the first
time in history any team has finished with more walks
than singles. That's where we are now. But I'm going
to try to defend our hitters because I'm with you
(30:39):
on this. Can we please just put it in play?
Can we please beat the shift over there? But our
guys have been swinging the same way for fifteen years.
They have one swing and it's beautiful. And if you
run into that bad path, it's not a liner to left,
it's a home run. To ask these guys who have
been hitting the same way for fifteen years, Okay, we're
(31:01):
gonna make a big change tonight. We want you to
choke up and hit it to right field, and we
want you to do it against Max Scherzer tonight. Good
luck with that. It's like telling a basketball player, you know,
the way you've been shooting for all these years, we
want you to change your shooting motion tonight and we
want you to not follow the flight of the ball.
A lot of guys still do that. That's a hard
(31:22):
thing to do. So I think to ask a hitter, hey,
we want you to make a change, and we want
you to go out and get a hit off of
Justin Bieber. Well, good luck with that. So that's the
concern is this is a this is going to take
years to make the change, and we're gonna have to
literally go to batting cages where ten year olds are
hitting and tell them, all right, this is what we
(31:44):
want you to do. We want you to hit it
over there, and we don't want you to try to
get it up in the air every single time. You
just called Shane Bieber Justin Bieber. I did not, did
I really? And I wouldn't know Justin Bieber if I
fell over. I'm sorry what happened to you. This is
why we don't have Tim Kirchin on Todd. Justin Bieber
(32:07):
is all about it. I'm sorry that that's terrible. You
know what, We'll take it out of the rear, okay,
So don't don't worry about that. We'll clean it up. Well,
I don't know anything about music, and I just found
out the other day that Chris Martin is the lead
singer in cold Play. I wouldn't know one of their songs,
and did they hit me over the head either, So
(32:29):
anything that is pop culture wise, just leave me out.
What's the last concert you attended? Well, I've only been
to three in my whole life, and I'm sixty four
years old. I went to see Dan Fogelberg in college
on a date that was a disaster. By the way,
then wait, why was it a disaster? Well, me and
(32:51):
a woman in college. I had no idea what to do.
That's why it was a disaster. And by the way,
that still goes today. So you were striking out before
at the rate of today's baseball players, way worse than
today's right, Yes, I didn't even try at you didn't
have a launch angle, did you, right? And then my daughter,
my daughter in the eighth grade, we went to see
(33:13):
Yellow Card, which I kept getting mixed up. I kept
calling him a green Card because I get I can
miss them up with Green Day or something, and stupid
me having been to one concert in my life, I
was told concert starts at seven thirty. So I have
five eighth grade girls in my car and I think,
all right, concert starts at seven thirty, will be done
by nine oh, by ten, it'll be great. They had
(33:36):
like four bands play before Yellow Card or Green Card
or whatever they were called, and they went on at
ten thirty. We got home at like one thirty in
the morning on a school night. The women were like
ready to kill me. It was so bad. And then
I saw Kenny Chesney at Syracuse when we dropped our
daughter off for college about ten years ago. So I'm
(33:57):
sixty four and I've been to three concerts in my life,
and I just found out the other day Molly Hatchett
is not a woman. Someone should have told me that
before this. How are the Dodgers? Do you start when
you start to worry if you're a Dodger fan? Here,
Tim Well, they've lost fifteen out of twenty, and during
that stretch only the Tigers have played worse than the Dodgers.
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Who knew this is the ultimate beauty of the game, Dan,
the Warriors and their great days never never had a
five and fifteen stretch where you wondered, are they okay?
The Dodgers are gonna be fine. They got a bunch
of injuries, they haven't hit in two weeks. It's gonna change.
They're gonna be the best team in baseball by the
end of the year. But it just shows you when
(34:42):
people ask me when the season started, well, the Dodgers
win one hundred and seventeen games this year, I said, no,
it's too hard to do that in today's game. So
this is a bad rough patch for them. They'll get
out of it. They'll be great before long. Do you
still play basketball? Yeah? I played. The other This was
(35:02):
so bad. I was at a gym and I was
just shooting by myself and these two kids came up
to me, and there was another like old guy in
there shooting at another hoop. The two kids, probably ten
years old, said, do you guys want to play two
on two? So I assumed the two old guys would
pair up and we'd have a little you know, a
young guy and an old guy. Instead, the two little
(35:23):
guys wanted to play the two old guys two on two.
So that was the last time that I played. And
I took that ten year old to the rack. To
believe me, I was pretty proud of because he was
bigger than I was. So now you used to play
hoops with Cal Ripkin. All right, yess how good was
(35:43):
rip You know? Amazing Dan? He never played in high
school and he became a great basketball player. I mean
he's so big and so strong around the rim. You
just cannot move him with those giant legs in the lane.
So if I made this is terrible. I should never
say this. He asked me once, He said, show me
how to do that move that you do. Okay, and
(36:05):
it's a little guy move that If I can't make
that play, I can't play anywhere, all right. So I
show it to him. And it took me like a
year to perfect that move for me. So I showed
it to him, and then we played like three days
later and he's using that move in the game. Three days.
It took him, but you know what he did. You
know what he did. He practiced that. He went into
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the gym by himself and worked on this little shake
with his left hand and then crossed to his right
the move I showed him. He had it in three days.
It took me. It took me a year. He had
it in three days. That's how great an athlete he is. See,
this is why we have Tim kirchin On. I love
Tim Kirchen. I don't understand how this happened. Way too long.
D doesn't have stories like this, are right? That was
(36:48):
That's my bad. I got confused. Now Rosenthal does, but
Verducci does. Not a bad phone line anyway. Oh we
have a story. Yeah, Tim, it's great to talk to
you about he always you put a smile on my face.
You love the game. I'd like to love the game more.
Let's put it that way. And they make it hard sometimes. Yeah, well,
we're getting back to it. Dan, don't worry. But thanks
(37:09):
for having me on today. It's really nice to see it.
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