05/11/21 DPS Hour 1 Tom Silverstein

Tom Silverstein talks to Dan about Aaron Rodgers and the Packers' beef. Tom says that he would really like to hear from Aaron Rodgers directly so he can learn what Aaron's gripes are.

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You are listening to The Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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you're here, ready to go? Check in with the Packers
coming up. Saw a report on the NFL network quote,
there's a real possibility Aaron Rodgers could be traded to Denver. Okay, yeah,

(00:27):
I guess there's a real possibility. How about there's not
a possibility. That would be news if you give me that.
But it feels like they're just it's like the wild
wild West. You can just throw something out there and
nobody's checking anybody on anything here. Hey, I'm hearing the
Browns are interested in Aaron Rodgers. Really, that's not what

(00:51):
I'm hearing. But hey, let's put it out there. Aaron
Rodgers Raiders. Okay, yeah, all of this is a real possibility,
I guess because he doesn't seem happy in Green Bay.
But you know, well, we'll get a little bit more
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That'll be coming up in a little bit eight seven

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Whole question, Play the Day, stat of the Day, all
of that forthcoming. Tim Tebow. His success at the University
of Florida was probably a blessing and a curse for
the former Heisman Trophy winner because it did provide him
with multiple opportunities, multiple opportunities to try to blake quarterback
in the NFL, and then he switched to play baseball,

(01:55):
and that was a cash grab for the Mets they
were using Tebow. Tebow didn't mind having the opportunity to
maybe show that he could play baseball. And now here
he is back with the NFL. He's expected to sign
a one year deal with the Jags to play tight end.
Problem is he's thirty three and he hasn't played tight
end before. Other than that, productive players like Logan Thomas

(02:19):
he was a quarterback Virginia Tech. He's now a good
tight end, a jack of all trades. Taysom Hill, quarterback
at BYU jack of all trades. Tebow hasn't played football
since the twenty fifteen preseason. Presumably they are younger players
with more speed who actually played tight end. But you

(02:39):
have to think that the Jags head coach Urban Meyer
is bringing in Tim Tebow for his leadership, not necessarily
for his skill. And maybe he's bringing him in as
a favor, and that's understandable. It's a ninety man roster.
That doesn't mean that he makes the team. I think
it might be. I'll do you a favor, Come on, end.

(03:00):
These guys are neighbors in Jacksonville. They live a couple
of houses from each other. Now, that doesn't mean urban
Meyer wants to bank on Tim Tebow being his starting
tight end. I think we've made that big leap from Oh,
they're they're gonna sign Tebow. Okay, let me wait and
see if he makes the roster here, this is a
ninety man roster. When they get it down to fifty three,

(03:24):
is Tim Tebow still there? And he might be fourth
or fifth on the depth chart. I don't know if
he can block an edge rusher. I don't know if
he can get off a block and get down field.
I don't know, what he capable of running. I don't
know his hands, I don't know if he can catch.
But I'm curious how it started tebow call. Did he

(03:47):
just go, Hey, I'm gonna go get some sugar from
a coach. I'm gonna go knock on his door. Hey, coach,
can I borrow some sugar and play tight end for you?
What some sugar in tight end for you? Serviceable tight end? Uh? Yeah, sure,
come on in. I mean the Jags have five tight

(04:09):
ends on their roster right now. You might go, who
are those tight ends? Yeah, you're right. They don't have
a big name, but you know James O'Shaughnessy. You have
Chris man Hurts, Luke Farrell. Did you say Chris Man Hurts.
You made that up? No, you made that up. Chris
Man hurt Man Hurts, Ben Ellefson and Tyler Davis. Man

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Hurts was signed in free agency. He has twelve catches
in seventy career games. O'Shaughnessy has eighty eight catches in
six seasons with Kansas City in Jacksonville. Ellefson has one
career catch. Davis played in eight games last season after
Jags selected him in the sixth round. Farrell is the

(04:57):
team's fifth round pick this year. I believe he's out
of Ohio stake. Somebody's losing a job in this group here.
I don't know how many tight ends you normally keep,
but they do have a roster there. Meyer and Tebow
did something special at Florida, and maybe they can recapture
some of that Tebow magic. Tebow time, a surprise second

(05:20):
football life for Tim. Yes, todd Man, it's gonna hurt
if Tebow takes his spot. I don't know how you
can possibly look yourself in the mirror after that. And
here's the wind up and the pitch. Thank you, Todd. Yeah,
I'm not up in arms about it. There are a
lot of players, former players, who were saying, why is
he getting a chance here? I mean, what is the

(05:41):
down sign? Here? Can you play? I don't think urban
Meyer is going to keep him on the fifty three
man roster if he can't play. But urban Meyer does
that total autonomy there, and maybe this is one of
those Hey, you didn't make the team, do you want
to stay on my coaching staff? That's the feeling I
got is and this is why I thought Alex Smith

(06:02):
was going to go to Jacksonville and maybe back up
Trevor Lawrence just to give him some guidance. He has
a relationship with Urban Meyer from their days when they
played at Utah. He quarterbacked at Utah and he just
said he didn't want to play anymore. But maybe Tim
Tebow goes in and then he stays on the staff
as an assistant coach. And I don't think anybody would
have a problem with that. But this has got the

(06:26):
NFL up in arms. How dare Tim Tebow takeaway a
roster spot. I don't know if he's going to the
ninety man, that's different than the fifty three. Now, if
he makes the fifty three, then we could have a
discussion there. Yeah, Paully, I just checked the Jacksonville jaguarshop
dot com and no Tebo Jersey all. Yet you need
Trevor Lawrence. I got eight different options for you, Travis

(06:47):
etn Yeah, heau's those nothing for Tebows big with yes,
I was like, the NBA will keep an old player
on the rock like Udannis Haslam is actually still on
the heat roster. He doesn't play, but they Joan Howard
did this forever earlier. But the NFL feels like, you
can't really do that, just keep a player coach. But
but they didn't take nine years off. Tim hasn't played

(07:07):
football in nine years, right, But hassm doesn't even get
in the games. He's just a coach that happened to
stick on the roster. Yeah, that's really what Tebow would
be if he happens to make the team, right or
would he play well, he's still taking a roster spot.
That that's what has a lot of the former players upset.
It feels like, how dare him take a roster spot here?

(07:30):
Now you can say, did he take a roster spot
in the Mets farm system? I guess he did, But
I blame that on the Mets. I mean, if the
Mets didn't sign Tim Tebow, I don't think anybody else
was going to That was, hey, we're gonna use you, Tim,
you can use us and maybe you get a chance
to play in the major leagues. It didn't work out.
Now he's trying to play tight end at age thirty three,

(07:53):
which is what a lot of us suggested to Tim,
me included years ago. Did you ever as soon as
you would bring that up, he'd shut it down. Why
don't you try tighten ump. I want to play quarterback,
and I understand that a lot of this is the ego.
I won the Heisman Trophy as a quarterback. I won

(08:14):
a playoff game in Denver. I'm a quarterback, and then
you realize you're not. I mean, if Taysom Hill said
I'm only a quarterback, he might not be in the league.
Antoine Randall l if he said, hey, I want to
play quarterback, he wouldn't have had that career. But he did.

(08:35):
He had a great career. Eric Crouch famously didn't want
to be a kick returner or a wide receiver with
the Rams. He wanted to be a quarterback. He didn't
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many lives Tebow has? He's managed every couple of years
to pop up have some relevancy. You know, he's a

(09:17):
Met for a couple of years. Then you know college
game day, good really good media gig and then one
last call at age thirty three to play for the
Jaguars with this young hot quarterback fascinating. I just want
to wait until they get to camp. Let's see what happens.
Let's see if he can play the position. I don't
think urban Meyer is going to keep him on the
roster to do him a favor because Urban ultimately has

(09:42):
to win. Who gives us the best chance of winning. Now,
you might say they don't have a formidable lineup of
tight ends there, and they don't. But if Tim Tebow
gets a chance, maybe that's all he's asking, like one
last chance. Let's see. Okay, it didn't work out, and
it didn't work out with my former coach. Now I
know I can put all of this to rest because

(10:03):
there's no more baseball, there'd be no more football, and
that he could be an analyst if he wanted to
with the mother Ship, or he could be an assistant
coach there. But also understand this is a business, like
the NFL is a reality show. It truly is the
ultimate reality show. If you can somehow cash in on
Tim Tebow. Would Shod Khan and the Jags be opposed

(10:27):
to that? The answers No, you call hard knocks right away,
and you say, hey, come on down, come on. We
got Trevor Lawrence, Urban Meyer and Tim Tebow make hard
knocks all about Tim Tebow. And you have that dramatic voice,
the former Heisman Trophy winner just can't seem to hang on.

(10:51):
Then they drops the ball they had the music you build.
Urban shakes his head. Trevor Lawrence throw it to Tim Tebow.
Oh be so exciting. Let me see if he makes
the fifty three man roster. Who wants to bet on
Tim Tebow making the fifty three man roster here? Not

(11:14):
the practice squad. No, he is opening day roster, suited up,
suited up, ready to go. Coach, Put me in, coach,
I'm ready to play. Who wants a piece of that?
Tim Tebow is on the field in a uniform Week
one crickets rackets, Paulie, how many tight ends can you

(11:44):
have on a roster? It's a rule against it. No,
I don't think I think you can have you know
ten if you want McLevin. When the teams normally carry
three two three, Yeah, I'm not sure, but I don't
know if they're carry enough for him. I go thumbs down. Okay,
I don't think they can keep five or six. Do
you want to do that as a pole? By the way,
does he make the team? Okay? What do you think?

(12:04):
Pol Do most NFL teams keep two or three active
quarterbacks these days? Is it generally two active? Usual? Two?
And then you have an inactive practice squadish? Yeah, that's
like you know, the Packers are bringing in quarterbacks like
Chad Kelly and they but they have to do that
because Jordan Love was inactive. He wasn't even dressed to

(12:24):
play in games last year. They have to have a
backup quarterback. They may have to have a starting quarterback here,
but they were expected when Adam Schefter joined us, he
said they're going to be bringing in quarterbacks. That wasn't news.
What happened yesterday that the Packers announced they're bringing in
some candidates here. Yeah, mclub. So if you're Tebow and
if you do have a three quarters, you're in the
tight y room. Do you sneak down the hallway to

(12:47):
just sit in on some quarterback meetings. Do you think
he would try that? Not unless he's invited. That's a
room by way. Gardner Minshew I think is still there.
It feels like Gardner Minshew can end up in Greenback
for some reason like that would be that would be
a quality backup quarterback. I don't know if Jacksonville, you know,

(13:08):
would trade him, but it feels like if if you're
Green Bay, my my first round pick is not ready,
and could I get somebody who would be ready? Because
this is a team that is, you know, obviously a
super Bowl caliber team. And if you don't have Aaron Rodgers,
then who can you have in there as a backup quarterback? Yeah? Mclub.

(13:28):
Did we just link the Tebow story to Aaron Rodgers somehow?
If I can get a link, if I can link
it to Lebron James and then the Cowboys, I got
a home run here. Somehow work his ankle into this,
and yes, his ankle, and then you have Dak Prescott
who had the ankle's surgery. Lebron is he a Cowboys fan? Yeah? Yeah,

(13:50):
there we go. We got it all here. Yeah. I
did see a story that the Jags and the Cowboys
are the two front runners for hard knocks. This is
from like a month ago on NFL dot Com that,
I mean, the Cowboys always sell at hard knocks. But
what don't you want to see the Jags? Now? Well?
What am I going to see with the Cowboys in
training camp? Now? You might see Michael Parsons, who's a

(14:13):
big personality, their first round draft pick. Uh, you know,
the return of Dak Prescott from you know, ankle surgery. Uh,
what else? I mean, Jerry's always going to be front
and center. I would think urban Meyer's first year. Now,
if I'm urban Meyer, I don't want the cameras there
my first year, Like I want to ease into this.
I don't want any more distractions than I'm gonna already

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have signed him Tebow. Yeah, exactly, I did that just
as of faith, just as a favor. Yes, there's a
note in here. They don't have to be on hard knocks.
You know, there's rules because a first year coach, but
they want to be shot con has requested the league
that hey what so maybe maybe they want this circus. Well,
this is um this is the first start here. This

(14:59):
is certain the entree into hard knocks, where you go, Okay,
got Urban You got Trevor Lawrence. Wait you you just
signed him to Yes, we'll have you on. That wouldn't
be enough to have Urban Meyer and Trevor Lawrence. You
got Tim Tebow. We can we can work with that.
By the way, the most receptions by tight ends in
twenty twenty, just to give you an idea of where

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the Jags are on that list. Darren Waller, who was
originally a wide receiver, one hundred and seven catches. Travis
Kelsey was a quarterback in high school. He had one
hundred and five catches. Logan Thomas, originally a quarterback, seventy
two catches. There. All right, it's not out of the
realm of possibilities here, but I will say those three

(15:42):
players that I just mentioned are incredible athletes. Tim was
just a big guy on a great team and did
wonderful things, you know, but then all of a sudden
he got to the pros, had a long delivery. He
wasn't his fast or quick, you know. He they were
a mismatch with just about every team they played against.

(16:04):
And he could run and he could throw well enough,
and that's all you needed. At Florida, there was I mean,
that's one of the more talented teams we've had in
college football in a long long time. Tim got to
the NFL and he just couldn't play. You know, the
release isn't quick. He's not quick. He's still a big,

(16:24):
powerful guy. But I um, I don't know. Well, we'll
get this, you know, see what urban Meyer needs to
see from Tim Tebow? Yeah, Poling, we have a snarky
tweak to the Tim Tebow bats. Instead of will you
make the rosters career receptions for Tim Tebow a half
is the over? Under a half a reception for his career?

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Where would you go? Ah, half of a catch? I'm
gonna go under. I'm gonna do the under. I didn't
do the under the Jags. This is on NFL dot Com.
The Jags will get the NOD in twenty twenty one.
For Hard Knocks, we'll start with the background. The only
team that's publicly stated a desire to be the focus

(17:08):
of Hard Knocks. There's never been enough buzz around the
team de merit serious consideration. That's no longer the case,
urban Meyer, Trevor Lawrence. So looks like the Jags will
be a hard knocks And then you throw in Tim Tebow. Sure,
I think we got ourselves a TV show. All right,

(17:29):
we'll come up with a poll question or did you
settle on one you wanted. Yeah, we're gonna put up
will Tim Tebow make the Jags as a starter. Then
we have some other options about we have a Russell
Westbrook pole. Oh okay, yeah, all right. And also I
want to bring back some of the comments Bob Baffort
made yesterday on the show, because once he was done
with the interview, I had Reggie Miller waiting in the
on deck circle. We didn't get a chance to chop

(17:50):
up some of the things he said in the last
hour of the show. He of course is the Kentucky
Derby winning trainer, and he's not going to the Preakness,
but medina a Spirit is going. We'll talk about some
of the things that he had to say. We'll talk
about Russell Westbrook passing Oscar Robertson for the all time

(18:10):
career triple doubles. So the Big Oh said he was
rooting for us to break his record. All Right, we'll
take a break, we'll come back. We'll check in with
the packers. What is real? What is not fact? From
fiction and it's quiet. Is that a good thing or
a bad thing? If you're a Packers fan? Coming up

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calls coming up. People all fired up about Tim Tebow

(19:56):
maybe making the roster. Former players upset, respect the game. Okay,
it's a ninety man roster. Now I can like it
and say that, No, he doesn't deserve a roster spot.
I mean, if you want to put him, and I'm
not the head coach, I'm not a rookie coach trying
to win with urban Meyer. But urban Meyer doing him

(20:19):
a favor. I wouldn't be surprised if Tim closes up
shop and ends up being on the staff with urban Meyer.
That would be my thought, and maybe that he could
be beneficial with that team. By the way, we talk about, oh,
he didn't deserve this, didn't earn this. DK Metcalf didn't
earn a spot at the Olympic trials or to qualify

(20:40):
for the Olympics. They gave him an exception. They created
another spot just so he could run. Dk Metcalf hasn't
run tracks since high school. Nobody had a problem with this,
did they. PJ Tour has exemptions. There's guy's in the Masters.

(21:00):
They don't you know, they won the Masters, but that
doesn't mean they should be playing in the Masters at
the age of seventy. But you get a lifetime invite,
so this does happen. It's not just Tim Tebow. Nobody
had a problem with dk Metcalf running in that race,
and I didn't either. You know, it shined the light
on some of those sprinters who wouldn't have gotten any

(21:21):
publicity whatsoever. And look, he ran a decent time, So
all right, it's fine. Are there gimmicks? Yes, yes, pulling.
This is a long long time ago. We were on
the air in two thousand and nine, and remember Tim
Tebow came back for his senior year at Florida, and
it was this. It was at the end of a
senior year in Florida, and I suggested that Tim Tebow

(21:42):
be allowed to stay in college perpetually forever. He should
have stayed at Florida and just kept playing quarterback there
for the next ten years. I know, you can't do
though you can't. They should have made an exemption. He
could have just been the Florida quarterback forever. It's been
perfect for everybody. Maybe the NFL Gibbs Jacksonville a fifty
fourth ross your spot, it's the Tebow spot. This team
feels like an sect. There two more signings from an

(22:05):
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we have our poll question correct. Yeah, will Tebow make
the Jags side question? Is it smart for the Jags
to bring him in? If this is about money, then

(22:48):
maybe it kind of makes sense. Maybe it's a smart
move just to get some buzz because there hasn't always
been buzz down there. Well, I think you've got enough
buzz with Urban Meyer Trevor Lawrence. Now if you don't,
then we have a problem. I think if you win,
that's your buzz. If you're saying, hey, come on out
and see Tim Tebow warm up and catch some passes

(23:09):
or stand on the sidelines. Okay, does it help in marketing,
I guess. But look, Jacksonville fans are waiting for a winner.
You hope that you have the building blocks of a winner.
You want a young team. You got a rookie coach,
got a rookie quarterback, and you hope that you're growing.

(23:30):
You know, do I want maybe? You know, Tebow helps
take away a little of the headline or spotlight from
Trevor Lawrence, which could be a good thing. I just
will be surprised if Tim makes the fifty three man roster.
It's all, you know, good for him. He wants to try.
It's like with the Mets. I said, good for him,
you want to try, and go ahead, Michael Jordan wants
to play baseball? Go ahead? Yeah. Yeah. This might be

(23:53):
the stupidest reason ever, but they could probably sell Tim
Tebow in London you know, and Shot Khan has that
international desire. Yeah, but what are you seeing when you
go see the Jags? Like Tim London don't know they die.
I recognize that guy, Okay, I mean they Yeah, those
are soccer fans. Like just a recognizable face to market

(24:16):
might be something. No. I think fans show up. They
show up no matter what, like they love their football.
So I don't think signing Tim Tebow is gonna, you know,
all of a sudden generate larger audiences here. Yes, boy.
Albert Brier Sports illustrated a story about just about a
month or so ago with an NFL executive who said

(24:38):
they're leaning away towards from a team in London, and
they're more into the couple games here, a couple of
games there, stay with the game schedule, not really relocating
a team. Tom Silverstein covers the Packers, and he's been
a busy man here, but he's taking time out for us.
He covers the Packers for the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. Let
me start with the Tebows story. Let me give you

(24:59):
something different here, Tom, what do you think about Tim
Tebow's chances of making the Jags? Uh, let's see, I
would say they're probably akin to Rogers playing for the Bears. Maybe. Oh, okay,
that that would probably be my equation there, right, quiet

(25:21):
week after a wild week. So where do you Is
it a good thing? If you're a Packers fan that
it's been quiet, it's probably a good thing. Yes, you know,
so many things were fired right on draft Day, and
then of course you had all the reverberations after that

(25:42):
and little nuggets coming out, and now I think it's
just down to time. I think time is the one
element that could make this thing go away. It's possible.
I still don't believe that it's gonna end well. But

(26:03):
you know, with time, you start to people start to
think differently and view things differently, and suddenly you get
closer to actual season starting and training camp and then
maybe things flip a little bit. So that's really what
it's going to come down to in my opinion. Okay,

(26:25):
why don't you think it'll work out for Rogers and
the Packers. Well, one, I just think that with Aaron Rodgers,
when there's an issue and he holds a grudge, it's
it's a grudge forever. It's not something that he gets
over very easily. This could be a little bit different

(26:47):
in that maybe he just wanted to make his point
and that there's some things that they could do. I'm
starting to starting to see signs that maybe he does
want to come back. I mean, you're seeing his surrogates
start to say, well, you know, it's not as bad

(27:08):
as you think it is. And you know, everything you
hear from either sources or people who've played with him
or anything like that, it's, in my opinion, it's coming
from him. So maybe there is a chance for reconciliation. Yeah,
I'm just trying to sort through a fact in fiction here, Tom,

(27:29):
and I know that you have to do this too,
because there's so much that's been reported. I don't like
nobody says yeah, that's absolutely true. No, that's absolutely false,
because Aaron hasn't said anything, and it's I mean, it's
tough to navigate this, But I'm curious of the national
view as opposed to the local view of this. Are

(27:51):
they different? Yeah, I mean I think from a local standpoint,
if we're talking about the view of what this whole
thing is about, yes, I think it's different. If we're
talking about the viewpoint of how this will end up,
I'm not sure that you know, the local people here

(28:15):
also feel like this is not going to end well
in that he's going to probably wind up somewhere else.
But I mean from the standpoint of what this is
all about, you know, we deal with Aaron on a
regular basis and know a lot about him, and also
know a lot about the Packers and Brian Gutekunst and

(28:35):
what they've done to, you know, build around Rogers, and
you know there's a sentiment all through the national media
that he's not had anybody to play with through his
most of his career, and of us locally know about
Greg Jennings and Jordy Nelson and Drew Michael Finley and

(28:56):
Randall Cobb and DeVante Adams and forgetting a bunch of
people in a really good offensive line. So I think
there is some difference. Yeah, and then you start to
look at possible destinations here for Aaron Rodgers. Why is
Denver standing out over everybody else at least that that

(29:17):
feels like Denver is the front runner if he doesn't
stay in Green Bay. Yeah, it does to me too.
I don't know why. I guess maybe for one, it's
got to be in the AFC, you know, just history
tells us it's got to be in the AFC. Ted
Ted Thompson Dealt Brett Fire to the Jets, and Brian

(29:37):
budecrinst is Ted thompson disciple. He's not going to trade him,
you know, to anyone in the NFC. I don't think
that could beat him, So that that's number one. Then
you look at Denver. I just think that, and I'm
speculating some here, but John Elway has got to know

(29:58):
what an MVP quarterback and do for him. They did
it with Peyton Manning and I always won two Super
Bowls at the end of his career, and so why
couldn't Rogers win too for Denver. That's kind of my
vice sentiment or my thought on why it would be
Denver Now it could be the Raiders. I think that
probably would be very logical. I'm not sure that Aaron

(30:23):
Rodgers would know what he's getting into if he goes
to play for John Gruden, but you know, Denver, Denver
just seems more logical to me. If you could get
real answers, honest answers from Rogers or somebody within the
Packers organization, who would you want to talk to today?
Rogers okay, no question. I mean, let's hear it, you know,

(30:47):
right right from him. I want to hear what his
gripes are, what is real and what isn't real? And
is he really dug in? I mean, that's that's the
sense I get that he is so dug in that
he's never going to play for the Packers again. But
then you always get the mixed messages from his former

(31:08):
teammates who are now sort of moving the dial a
little bit towards he'll come back. I know, you know,
certain things are changed. I don't know if it's going
to require Briden Grutkums to take out a billboard and
Green Bay that he's sorry he drafted to fly a

(31:32):
lamp over Lambeau. You know, I'm sorry, Aaron. I don't know.
I really don't know. Yeah, you just trying to figure
out what the time frame is on all of this.
And so Jordan's Love is not going to be ready
again this year? Is that? Is that right? That's my
gut feeling. You know, when it was kind of tough

(31:54):
last year because train camp was shortened, we only got
to see in Love a little and I'm by we,
I mean the media, and then during once practice starter
for the season, you almost never see him. You just
saw him throwing drills on air, so you couldn't really
tell where he was at. The coaches give you the

(32:16):
usual that he's advancing, but you know, Brian Riderkins made
it pretty clear when he drafted him that this is
a two or three year project. And that's kind of
where I don't understand from Roger's standpoint, why there's he
feels threatened about it because he should be able to
beat this guy out this year and next year and

(32:38):
maybe even the year after that, and I think he
could fulfill his contract easily. But you know, if he
plays like if he plays like he did last year
this year, how do they come? I mean, how do
you cut a guy? What if he wins the Super Bowl?
How do you cut a Super Bowl quarterback and move

(32:58):
on to the next guy. I just I don't that's
the part, the insecurity part that I don't understand. Tom.
Thank you for joining us. I know you've been busy
covering this. We appreciate your time anytime. Dan. That's to Silverstein,
the Packers beat reporter Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. Here's something for you.

(33:19):
Packers have drafted zero wide receivers in the first round
during Aaron Rodgers sixteen seasons in Green Bay. Patriots drafted
zero wide receivers in the first round. During Tom Brady's
first sixteen seasons in New England. Tom won five Super

(33:40):
Bowls in those sixteen years. Rogers has won one stat
of the day, stat of the day, that past stat
of the day, stat of the day here comes that
what stat of the day? Although the Packers have drafted
a quarterback in the first round und whereas the Patriots

(34:02):
did not. That's why we're here because if they didn't
draft Jordan Love. And I go back to what I said,
I if Rogers scores from eight yards out and they
beat the Buccaneers and go to the Super Bowl, is
he worried about Jordan Love? Is he worried about what?

(34:23):
Does he have a problem with the GM. You have
a good team the Packers in the last two years.
That that's what you want. And they have surrounded Rogers
with talent. Now, could they have drafted a wide receiver, yes,
they could have, but they do have a good offensive line,

(34:44):
good running back. They have found good receivers, a good
tight end. That's that's what's that's what's different about this? Yes, Paulie.
Can you guess how many quarterbacks the Patriots drafted while
Tom Brady was on the roster During tom Brady's I
guess two decades in New England? Guess how many quarterbacks
they used draft picks on seven? Anyone else want to

(35:07):
take a shot, I'd say six? Ten. They drafted ten
quarterbacks after Tom Brady joined Rohan Davy, Cliff Kingsbury, Mattcastle,
Kevin O'Connell, third round pick, Zach Robinson, Ryan Mallett, third
round pick, Jimmy Garoppo's second round pick, Jacobe Procett, third
round pick, Danny Etling, and Jared Stidham. Ian Rappaport says

(35:28):
the Packers made a quote significant long term contract offered
Aaron Rodgers. The two sides, however, are quote not in
a good place. Rogers has talked to several players about
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(36:58):
been broken. He now is most career triple doubles at
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But is Russ a great player? We'll talk about that
a little bit more coming up at the top of
the hour. And the triple double. A lot of times,
you know when you hear some of the older players,
you know, Willie May's, Mickey Mantle, they probably would have said, Wow,
if thirty thirty was a big deal, I would have
done it every year. They weren't stat conscious the way

(38:04):
we are now. Everything is about stats and it's easy
to consume because it's perfect for social media. The triple double,
it wasn't called a triple double one Oscar play. I
think it became a triple double maybe with Magic, certainly
with Jay Kidd, but it wasn't a thing. Oscar just

(38:27):
averaged double digits and points, rebounds and assists, and growing
up in Cincinnati where Oscars started, we just thought Oscar's
just a great player. We didn't go, oh, he's better
than Jerry West because he averages a triple double. If
Oscar averaged I don't know thirty nine and nine, same

(38:49):
player any different. But we didn't have the term triple
double back then. It was just Oscar was great, right.
I never gave it pause where I went he's averaging
double digit rebounds. It's just you watched Oscar play and

(39:10):
you knew that he was one of the great players
in the game. Will Chamberlain probably average a triple double
in points, rebounds and blocks, will once led the league
and assists. I mean, there's these statistical anomalies, and we
fall in love with that. Is Russ a great player?

(39:36):
Does he help his team win? Would you want him
as your teammate? Those are things that I think are
fair to the conversation. If you're going to say he
belongs in there's the second greatest point guard of all time. Now, statistically,
if you want to put him in there over John
Stockton or Isaiah Thomas or whoever it might be, do

(40:00):
you want to play with that player. James Harden wanted
out of Houston, Kevin Durant wanted out of Oklahoma City.
Russ was with both of those guys. Russ got traded
for John wall when's the last time you watch John
walleny game? I love watching Russell Westbrook play. The fact

(40:28):
that every every single not every single game, every single possession,
it feels like it's the most important thing in his life.
But is that a good thing? Ball dominant, probably more
ball dominant than anybody in the history of the game.

(40:50):
Let that sink in. He's got the ball. Do we
diminish the triple double now because it's Russell Westbrook? Whereas
we celebrated the reason why Oscar is a top ten
player is in part due to the triple double, because
we went, oh my god, he average a triple double.
He's got to be one of the great players of

(41:11):
all time an Oscar is, But is he one of
the top ten players? Is Russell Westbrook going to be
one of the top twenty five players of all time?
And he probably will be. I got a list of
players going at top players according to ESPN dot com
coming into this season. You know, I love a good

(41:36):
list here. This is coming into this season. Lebron Is one,
Anthony Davis two, Janis three, Luca four, Kawhi, Kevin Durant,
Dame Lillard, Steph Curry, James Harden, and the Joker. You
have to go all the way to thirty six to

(41:56):
find Russell Westbrook. He's just above Marcus Smart. I don't
think Russ made the All Star team this year. It's
a it's a it's a great accomplishment. It truly is
to do this for your career. But I don't know

(42:17):
if he's one of the great point guards of all time.
Fascinating yes, statistical anomaly, yes, is he a great player?
Do you want him on your team? Games on the line,
big possession and look, I don't put all the blame
on him what happened with Okase, but it feels like

(42:38):
Kevin Durant was like, I'm not winning a title with
this guy. Let me go see if I can pick
off one or two with Golden State James Harden. He
wanted Russell Westbrook and then he didn't. Now he's in Washington.
If there's a basketball purgatory, it's pretty close. Like you

(42:59):
at least passed through Washington with their basketball team before
you get to basketball purgatory. Maybe Sacramento. Yes, I think
one of the criticism when he misses, it's just so bad,
you know, it's not like it goes in and out
like it'll hit like the lower side of the rom
like last night his game winning shot attempt. I mean,

(43:20):
it's just a clank. He's a score, not a shooter. Now,
I hear this. Boy, if he could shoot, he'd be okay, okay, yeah,
all right if he could, but he can't. We'll talk
a little bit more about this coming up and your
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