May 11, 2021 • 44 mins
Tim Kurkjian talks to Dan about all the strikeouts in major league baseball. Tim says that the pitching is so good now and that's why the hitters have no chance.
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You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio. Welcome to the program. It's our two. On
this Tuesday, Dan and The Dane's Dan Patrick Show spent
a lot of time talking about Tim Tebow and or
Russell Westbrook's accomplishment. What year is this that we're talking about?
Tim Tebow playing football again? Been nine years? Going to
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sign a one year deal, is going to be part
of the ninety man roster. Just so everybody knows he
didn't make the team, he made the roster. All that
is is he made the roster to go to camp.
If he makes the fifty three man roster, then we
could have a real discussion here. But for everybody who's
up in arms that he's taken a roster spot, did
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anybody get upset? The DK Metcalf got a chance to
run against guys who have spent their entire lives trying
to qualify for the Olympic team. Now they created an
extra space for DK Metcalf to run. Nobody had a
problem with that, right, Hey, this is fun? All right?
Maybe that's what this is. Maybe Urban Meyer is doing
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Tim Tebow a favor. Here's your curtain called Tim, Come
on in Let's see if you can play tight end.
Do I think he can? No, I don't. I don't,
But I do think that urban Meyer owes it to
Tim Tebow. He may not be respecting the game and
respecting the players. And you know, was he going to
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lose the locker room? Like the number of things that
I've heard in the last twenty four hours is kind
of crazy. He didn't give him a five year deal,
And I wouldn't be surprised if Tim plays in practice
and then he realizes he's not a tight end, and
then maybe he joins urban Meyer's staff. That's it feels
like last call for him. He's thirty three years of age,
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nine years off DK Metcalf, hadn't run tracked since high school.
Once again, nobody had a problem with it. He's actually
out there with some of the fastest guys in the
world trying to make the Olympic team. Now, you know,
by you know, most observers, he did pretty well there,
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like he held his own. Okay, let's just see if
Tebow can do it. When somebody gets a sponsors exemption
into a golf tournament, nobody's up in arms. Nobody says, oh,
you're taking away a roster spot. This is Tim Tebow,
and with Tim Tebow comes headlines, opinions, and right now
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you're getting former players tweeting he's taken a roster spot.
Judging from the tight ends that they have. There are
other guys who were taking roster spots on that Jacksonville team,
just saying, poll question, McLevin, when do we have Okay,
will Tim Tebow make the Jaguars sixty? Say no? So
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people are still skeptical that this will eventually happen. Yeah,
and I agree, Jeremy and Texas joins us. Hey, Jeremy,
what's on your mind morning? First of all, it cost
Kim Leebo. You know, he hasn't played football and that long,
but he's been an athlete. He's been playing baseball, so
he's not like he's not conditioned. Two is he's got
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the size in the field. Sounds like a Travis Kelsey,
you know, he's not Oh no, no, no, no, no
no no, don't do that, no no no, don't do that.
Don't mention Travis Kelsey that he's he's he's not even
in his neighborhood, not even in his zip code. Like
he's just trying to be the third tight end. Travis
Kelsey is a Hall of Famer. Yeah. See, I'm not
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sure about it, but I think baseball shape and football
shape are different too. Yes, that fitness level I don't know,
but it is now you can say, well, he's been
competing and working hard. What you do for baseball is
completely different than what you do for football. Yes. And actually,
not to bring it back to Michael Jordan, but watching
that documentary and he talked about his transition to baseball
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and his he said it he had a NBA body,
he had to completely break it down and rebuild his
body to fit baseball. Yeah. Wild, it's a great point. Yeah,
Polly that said, if you've seen seeing Tim Tebow and
the minors of the Mets, he looked like he was
in football shape, not baseball shack. He's honestly, he's bigger
than he was when he played football. Yes, he's jacked, yes,
which you don't need it all to play well. Sometimes
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when you see a guy who's jacked on the football field,
he doesn't look as jack because he's got pads on
and there are other guys around you that are jacked.
Not many baseball. Like when Bo Jackson played baseball. You went, Wow,
that's different, Tebo. You see him out in the right
field and you're thinking, Anna, third and one, I'm gonna
give him the ball. Yeah, Polly, I think was it
in Washington? We went to the All Star Game and
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got to CBP batting practice. Aaron Judge is tall and big.
Giancarlos Stanton looks like an NFL jacked tight end. He
does not look like a baseball player. There's a different
Giancarlos Stanton is like Miles Garrett of the Browns, where
you just go, oh my god, how do they make
him that big? Eight seven seven three. D P Show
email ADRESSDPA, Dan Patrick dot com, Twitter handle at dp
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show Segod morning to our radio and TV partners, and
we say a load of Lloyd and Tampa, Hey Lloyd,
Good morning, Dan, Good morning guys. This whole thing about Tebow,
you know, taking a roster spot is the point that
gets me going. Guys try year after year after year
as undrafted players to make a team. You can't blame
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the guy for wanting to try. And if he proves
that he can't block and he can't catch, and he
makes the team, then it's a publicity stunt. But you
could argue urban Meyer is a publicity stunt, so let
him take a shot. Yeah, I look, I'm okay with it.
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I don't have any control over the decision that's on
urban Meyer, but I just let him try out. No
other team's gonna let him try out. The only thing
I thought of when I saw that there was a
possibility there is I wish him would have tried it
nine years ago, ten years ago, just been open to it.
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Emergency quarterback, but you're going to use him as an
h back. I wish that he would have tried, just
to see if he could have. Tim wanted to continue
to try to be a starting quarterback, and he got
a lot of opportunities. He just not a quarterback, not
an NFL quarterback. There are guys who play quarterback at
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a high level in college. That doesn't mean you're going
to be a great pro a good pro. It just
he won the Heisman. There was tebow Time. He won
that incredible playoff game with the Steelers. Broncos beat the Steelers.
Everybody fell in love with tebow Time. Nobody really brought
up the fact that Tim's inability to play the position
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required tebow Time because if you play really well, then
you don't have to have tebow time. How about you
got a three touchdown lead going into the worth quarter
as opposed to we're down four. Well, gotta make something happen.
And his best trait was running, yeah pull. If you
go back to Taysom Hill when he was at BYU,
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and he played a lot of quarterback at BYU. When
he was at his pro day, he was asked by
both the media and the teams, are you open to
switching positions? He said, yes, I'm open to it, but
the plan right now is to go forward to play quarterback.
If someone wants to take me at the chance to
learn a position and they're willing to go through the
learning cover with me, I'm fine with that, or I'm
fine with the quarterback persis. He's very open to it.
He was asked a game again about it. He said,
I love the game of football. I know my timeframe
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is short to play in this game, so I'm going
to take advantage of it at any position that I'm
asked to play. Look at where Taysom Hill is now. Yeah, yeah,
he embraced it. But he's probably a better athlete, better
suited for the NFL with his athleticism, because you're talking
about a guy who could play wide receiver and as
a kick returner and as a quarterback. Yea, at some
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point as a Jaguars fan, when do you start getting
nervous about urbane decision making? Uh? Well, you couldn't screw
up Trevor Lawrence. Okay, right, he has handed that one.
But there's you know, like he came in and blew
out the whole scouting scouts team right, the whole stat
staff there, which I don't know, maybe that happens all
the time, but all the time. But but he brought
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in the strength and conditioning coach from Iowa who was
fired from Iowa, and Urban wanted to give him a
second chance. Oh hey, we're signing a tight end. Awesome,
who's oh Tim Tebow who doesn't get a job out
of Urban Meyer? What do you gotta do to not
get a game? Can I be the GM? I know
football a lot about it, all right, So that's the
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poll question and we'll get some more phone calls on
this topic coming up. Russell Westbrooks at the all time
record last night triple doubles as he passes Oscar Robertson
Rush now has seven career twenty plus assists, twenty plus
our twenty point game games, three more than the rest
of all active NBA players combine one eighty two career
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triple doubles. I mean, these are these are incredible stats.
But that's what they are. There's stats. If I said, hey,
look at the numbers of Miguel Cabrera, if I said
look at Rockael pal Merrow's numbers, like you'd go, wow,
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those are incredible numbers. Were they great players? Did they
just compile? And Matthew Stafford has big numbers. Philip rivers
big numbers like we have compilers. Now this the triple
double is the kig because if we didn't coin a
phrase here, probably back when Magic was doing it, then
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it wouldn't be hey, we've got a triple double. What
if you averaged forty nine and nine did an average
triple double? Russ average a triple dubble? What if what
if you averaged I don't know, fifteen twenty assists, nine rebounds,
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he did an average a triple double. Triple doubles really
easy to understand. And Russ more triple doubles than everybody,
the most one off triple double games. In the last
thirty years. Russ has forty eight of those games where
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he was one off, whether it was a rebound or
an assist or maybe a point. Lebron has fifty four
of those. Jason Kidd had fifty seven of those games.
Stat of the Day, stat of the day that past
out of the day stat of the day. Here comes
that one stat of the day. Here is Russell Westbrook Junior.
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The third on his appreciation for some of the greats
of the game as a player in this league and
to make it in this league, it's it's one thing.
But to be in this league and consistently do great
things and try to do great things, it's tough to do.
And the ones before me because like Ai and Oscar Magic,
like I said, the list can go on. Understanding and
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being grateful. Like I said the other day, I'm super
grateful for especially for Oscar because he paved the way. Yeah,
they did. Congratulations to Russell Westbrook. I don't know what
it means because you're gonna have the analytics that community
is going to say, well, ball dominant, not a great player,
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not a good shooter, compiler. I will say in defense
of Russell Westbrook. If you say, hey, when I go
watch somebody play, do I think they're they're giving it
their all? Does it matter to them? Does it mean something?
Do they care as much as it cares to me?
Russell Westbrook is on the short list of players that
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I watch and it feels like every single possession matters
to them. Now he doesn't win. They had an opportunity
at Oklahoma City, had Golden State down three games to one.
In fairness to him, Durant didn't play well and then
Durant set him out of here. I think he thought
that there was a glass ceiling. I'm not going to
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win a championship here, James Harden, you got Russell Westbrook there,
He wanted out, Do you want to play with Russell
Westbrook as your point guard? Now? If you said Magic's
my point guard? Yes, John Stockton, yes, Steve Nash yes,
Isaiah Thomas yes. Even Steph Curry, who's ball dominant. But
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Steph is not like we get caught up in this
point guard. I mean Oscar was a scorer. I mean
like he was just a basketball player. Like we get
caught up in these designations. It's like who is a
point guard. Russ to me, is not really a point guard.
He's just basketball player. Like, what's new Luca point guard?
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I guess by today's definition, he's a point guard. No,
he's just a basketball player. Ball dominant guard is what
he is. Scottie Pippen was a point forward. They didn't
have a true point guard. I don't know these designations.
Steph Curry, I mean, he's not a point guard, but
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I'll take him over Russell Westbrook and there have been
a lot of great guards. But because of these stats,
you're always going to be able to say, well, that's
the triple double. That's all. He's got the most triple doubles.
That doesn't mean that he's the second best point guard
of all time. Yeah. Do you think that people classify
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Steph Curry's a point guard because he's not tall, he's
not that tall, because he's never He's only averaged more
than eight assist once in his career. He's listed in
NBA Reference as PG point guard his entire career. Not
one of those that switched like Tim Duncan. He switched
it every year. But he plays with Clay Thompson, who's
the other guard who is a shooting guard. You're a
shooting yes, but that's not fair to Steph Curry because
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if you rank the top shooting guards of all time,
he's in the mix. Well, he's the greatest shooter of
all time, but he's listed as a point guard right
without a mistake by staff point guard? No, because he
went back one more year at Davidson to work on
being a point guard. And I think he thought that
that was his entry point into the NBA. Is I
can only play if I'm a point guard because you're
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shooting guard at that time. You know he's six three,
he's slight, whereas Clay. You know, Clay's got a better
build as far as being that two guard. Yea, if
he was considered a shooting guard, stop me when I
get to where he goes all time. And this is
a from a lot of different list. Michael Jordan's number one,
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Kobe Bryant's number two. A lot of people have Dwayne
Wade as a third best shooting guard of all time,
kind of modern era since eighty. I never thought Dwayne
was a great shooter. He was a slasher, yeah, but
they haven't listed more shooting guard. He was listed as
a shooting guard Okay, Well those guys aren't better than
ray Allen. I mean, ray Allen's better shooter than those guys. Harden.
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You know, as far as like who would you want? Oh? Oh,
I thought you were saying like Dwyne Wade or Steph Curry. Um,
why wouldn't feel bad if my consolation prize is either
one of them. Let's let's put it that way. They
have James Harden, Fourth, Clyde Drexler. Fifth, Clyde Drexler. Yeah,
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a few different lists. Fifth on shooting guard, shooting guard,
not shooter. Was he was a slasher? He went a shooter.
Reggie Miller list as a shooting guard. Now Reggie is
a shooter. Yeah. See, well we're having the discussion of
UM shooters versus slashers. Where do scorers fit in that trifecta? Um,
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he's just a scorer. Well, I look at a scorer
as a guy who he gets his points in a
variety of ways, shoots and slashes. Well, he does everything.
I don't think he's a great shooter. You know that.
And there are guys who somehow get points and you go,
they're doing it and they're not great shooters. Russ is
not a great shooter. Yeah, see yay, just saying like
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the Kobe's of the world, Kobe was a volume guy,
like he got into a rhythm, but he had great form,
like he had all the shots, but he he's a scorer.
Sometimes if if you all you do is you can
shoot jumpers, then you're known as a shooter, the guy
who can get to the hoop slash, then you're known
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as a score. Yeah. Mcli. Do you think it's possible
Curry when it's all said and done, ends up higher
on the all time player list and Kobe, I think
it's gonna be real close. Uh, you gotta win a
couple more titles. Yeah, I still think Curry he's gonna
get a lot of top ten love. Well. Once again,
it's the statistical part of this he's gonna have, so
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you know, he's gonna play in six hundred fewer games
I think than Ray Allen and surpass him in three
point shooting. So like these numbers, while they're crazy now,
in ten years we might look back and go, Man,
who would have thought? I thought that record was you know, unbreakable.
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I mean it took a long time for Oscar. That
was forty seven years but Russell Westbrook did that. What's
Luca don Chick gonna average for his career? He's gonna
average a triple double. Pretty good start, yeah, mcclu. But
he has to win, you know, like Dirk, Dirk was amazing.
That hasn't want anything. Yeah, we just saw him. He's
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thirty six on the ESPN players. I know, but I
got I got people arguing is the second greatest point
guard of all time. He didn't want anything. Now, I know,
you go, well, you can't put all that on him
in basketball. I can put more of that on you
because it's five guys football, I know, we you know,
put it all in the quarterback. Either you did great
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or you did poor. You won or you lost the
super Bowl. Basketball, if it's five guys, yes, two guys
can win you a championship. There. Russ hasn't won anything.
Now you can say Stockton didn't win anything, got to
the finals twice. You're right. I mean he lost to Jordan,
You're right. He did not win. Gary Peyton wonderful, didn't win, Okay,
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I get it. Oscar won one when he went and
he was with Kareem and he was a different player
back then when they won their title. If Jerry West
had nine championship rings eight see the Greatest Player of
all Time? He went. He went against the Celtics every
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year and lost. A team that had eight or nine
Hall of Famers on the roster. He lost. If Jerry
has seven titles, see the Greatest Player of all time? Right,
that's where you're trying to figure out, you know, where
somebody fits historically. By the way, Russ has still got
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quite a few years left here. He's not gonna win
a title in Washington. Take years going on. If I
said he's gonna win a title, then it's a hot take.
You gotta understand how these hot takes work. Man. Oh yeah, Paul,
I have a little career stat for you. Steph Curry
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and Kobe Bryant both averaged twenty five, six and five
for their careers. Almost exact stats there. And if Steph
Curry is going to lead the NBA and scoring this year,
both will have led the NBA's oring twice in their careers.
Their stat line is almost exactly. I can't put Steph
over Kobe. I can't. He's got time, but I can't
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do that. I find him fascinating, just like I did Kobe.
It felt like Kobe. Yeah. See, you know you get
into these discussions, then you disparage somebody. I don't want
to do that. Kobe is higher on the list than
Stuff is at thirty two years old. Kobe Bryant average
twenty five and a half a game. Steph Curry's averaging
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thirty two a games. Yeah, the NBA is different, very different.
Three points are completely every Like a team scores one
hundred and forty points, nobody blinks. Remember it used to
be first team to one hundred would get a win.
Now it's like, hey, would you you guys scored one
hundred and twenty? Yeah we lost, We lost by eight.
Team like that. It's just there's no defense. Nobody cares
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about the regular season, and I think the numbers show
that it's almost It has a very free flowing backyard
field to it. Until we get to the postseason. Let's
take a break. Is it time to worry? If you're
a Dodger fan? What's with all these no hitters? Tim Kirchin.
Tim Kirchin ESPN is set to join us. How about
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the Cubs. Why has he been avoiding tray? That's way
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too long? Why is he avoiding us? Could be on us.
Let's bring in Tim Kirk Tim Kirchin ESPN. Hi, Timmy,
how are you good? Dad? I have not been avoiding you.
I do that. I used to be on your show
every Friday. It was great. Yeah, you know what, I'm
gonna blame Fritzie for that. Fritzie, why haven't you had
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Tim Kirchina. It is a major oversight. I love Timmy
and I have no excuse for that. But at all,
Fritzie's always going, let's get for Ducci on and I
go in Rosenthal. I said, wow, what about Kirchin? I
did say Buster can't do it today? So what about?
We were okay with it. It's great to have you on, Tim,
great to talk to you again. And uh, you know
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we were talking about this with the strikeouts when we
were growing up. If you struck out one hundred times
as a hitter. That was embarrassing. Now it's okay. At
what point did it did we change where it's okay
to strike out in baseball? For me, Dan, it came
in the mid eighties when Bo Jackson, Jim Presley, Robbed
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Dear Pete, and Kabelia. They all came to the big
leagues at the same time, big strong guys swung as
hard as they could. At twenty five thirty homers a year,
struck out one hundred and fifty times, and ever since
then it has been o K to K. That's about
thirty five years, but the last five to ten years
this is completely out of control. Now a thousand and
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ninety two more strikeouts in April than there were hits.
It is ridiculous. You talk about one hundred strikeout guys. Dan.
From nineteen hundred to nineteen sixty three combined, there were
ninety four individual players who struck out one hundred times,
and now every year we have one hundred and sixty
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guys or so who strike out one hundred times or more.
It's amazing what we're watching these days, and it's mostly
because the stuff these guys see on a nightly basis
is ridiculously good. The velocity is so far off the charts,
and yet it's the secondary stuff that's even better than
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the velocity. And it comes down to this. When Jacob deGrom,
Max Scherzer, Garrett Cole are d and they're locating, our
hitters have no chance against them. They don't just make
an out, they strike out. It's remarkable what we're watching
every night now. But also, and I know it's I'm
the get off my line guy, but put the ball
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in play, like put put your bat on the ball,
and you don't see that. And this is what I
miss with baseball. It's it's subtle, but it is the
hit and run, a stolen base, hitting it the other way,
Oh there's a shift on. Oh my gosh, how about
you just hit it where there's nobody over there? So
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I can you see somebody embracing what Whitey Herzog had
with the Cardinals, where it's going to be speed and
defense and running like something that's counterintuitive to what we have.
Will we have a team that does that? No, Dan,
we won't. That Cardinal team was built for doing that.
They played on AstroTurf, They had a bunch of really
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fast guys. They beat the ball into the ground and
ran everybody. We don't play that game anymore, Dan, I
did the game last night, Rav Eduardo president I and
we had two bunts for a hit, and we had
two sacrifice bunts last night, and one was a squeeze
and I almost started. I was so happy to see that,
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because we don't play that game anymore. I mean, look
a look at the Yankees. I'm doing the Yankee game
tonight with Ravvie and Eduardo. The Yankees don't have a
triple yet. They have seven stolen bases all season, which
is a lot for them, but it's the fuse in
the league, and they average about one double per game.
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This is where we are. If you don't hit the
ball out of the ballpark, as most teams do, you
simply don't win these days. And I desperately miss growing
up at a time where Rod Carew would dump a
bunt and get a hit, Brett Butler would drag one
to the right side and get a hit. And we
don't have that anymore. And I miss it because I
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think those are the most skillful, exciting parts of the game,
and I think we're all a little bit tired of
just watching guys hit it as far as they can
and strike it out three times in between. I was
also wondering about the pitching stats here. We've had four
no hitters already this season. If it's a swing and
miss league and nobody's putting the ball in play, then
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we're probably going to break the single season no hit record,
I'm gonna guess, or we should be flirting with it
right well, eight is the record that was done in
the eighteen hundreds. But Dan, you're right, we have lost
the value of the hit in the game today. We're
no longer interested, nor are our hitters being taught to
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hit a hard groundball through that hole over there. They're
not interested in getting a single. Last year, Dan, the
Reds who made the playoffs had more walks than singles.
It's the first time in history any teams finished with
more walks than singles. That's where we are now. But
I'm going to try to defend our hitters because I'm
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with you on this. Can we please just put it
in play? Can we please beat the shift over there?
But our guys have been swinging the same way for
fifteen years. They have one swing and it's beautiful and
if you run into that bad path, it's not a
liner to left, it's a home run. To ask these
guys who have been hitting the same way for fifteen years, Okay,
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we're gonna make a big change tonight. We want you
to choke up and hit it to right field, and
we want you to do it against Max Scherzer tonight.
Good luck with that. It's like telling a basketball player,
you know, the way you've been shooting for all these years,
we want you to change the shooting motion tonight, and
we want you to not follow the flight of the ball.
A lot of guys still do that. That's a hard
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thing to do. So I think to ask a hitter, hey,
we want you to make a change, and we want
you to go out and get a hit off of
Justin Bieber, well, good luck with that. So that's the
concern is this is a This is going to take
years to make the change, and we're gonna have to
literally go to batting cages where ten year olds are
hitting and tell them, all right, this is what we
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want you to do. We want you to hit it
over there, and we don't want you to try to
get it up in the air every single time. You
just called Shane Bieber Justin Bieber. I did not, did
I really? And I wouldn't know Justin Bieber if I
fell over. Oh god, I'm sorry, what happened to you?
This is why we don't have Tim Kirchin on Todd
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Justin Bieber. What is that all about it? I'm sorry,
that's terrible. You know what, We'll take it out of
the rear, Okay, So don't don't worry about that. We'll
clean it up. Well, I don't know anything about music,
and I just found out the other day that Chris
Martin is the lead singer in cold Play. I wouldn't
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know one of their songs, and they hit me over
the head either. So anything that is pop culture wise,
just leave me out. What's the last concert you attended? Well,
I've only been to three in my whole life, and
I'm sixty four years old. I went to see Dan
Fogelberg in college on a date that was a disaster.
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By the way, then, wait, why was it a disaster? Well,
me and a woman in college. I had no idea
what to do. That's why it was a disaster. And
by the way, that still goes today. So you were
striking out at the rate of today's baseball players, way
worse than today's right. Yes, I didn't even try at
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you didn't have a launch angle, did you, right? And
then my daughter, my daughter in the eighth grade, we
went to see Yellow Card, which I kept getting mixed up.
I kept calling him a Green Card because I get
I miss them up with Green Day or something, and
stupid me, having been to one concert in my life,
I was told concert starts at seven thirty. So I
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have five eighth grade girls in my car, and I think,
all right, concert starts at seven thirty, will be done
by nine ten. It'll be great. They had like four
bands play before Yellow Card or Green Card or whatever
they were called, and they went on at ten thirty.
We got home at like one thirty in the morning
on a school night. The women were like ready to
(31:12):
kill me. It was so bad. And then I saw
Kenny Chesney at Syracuse when we dropped our daughter off
for college about ten years ago. So I'm sixty four
and I've been to three concerts in my life, and
I just found out the other day Molly Hatchett is
not a woman. So someone should have told me that
before this, how are the Dodgers? Do you start when
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you start to worry if you're a Dodger fan, here, Tim, Well,
they've lost fifteen out of twenty, and during that stretch
only the Tigers have played worse than the Dodgers. Who
knew this is the ultimate beauty of the game, Dan,
The Warriors in their great days never never had a
five and fifteen stretch where you wondered, are they okay?
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The Dodgers are gonna be fine. They got a bunch
of injuries, they haven't hit in two weeks. It's gonna change.
They're gonna be the best team in baseball by the
end of the year. But it just shows you when
people asked me when the season started, well, the Dodgers
win one hundred and seventeen games this year, I said, no,
it's too hard to do that in today's game. So
this is a bad rough patch for them. They'll get
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out of it. They'll be great before long. Do you
still play basketball? Yeah? I played the other This was
so bad. I was at a gym and I was
just shooting by myself, and these two kids came up
to me, and there was another like old guy in there,
shooting at another The two kids, probably ten years old, said,
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do you guys want to play two on two? So
I assumed the two old guys would pair up and
we'd have a little you know, a young guy and
an old guy. Instead, the two little guys wanted to
play the two old guys two on two. So that
was the last time that I played. And I took
that ten year old to the rack to believe me,
which I was pretty proud of because he was bigger
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than I was. So now you used to play hoops
with cal Ripkin? All right? Yess how good was rip
You know? Amazing Dan? He never played in high school
and he became a great basketball player. I mean, he's
so big and so strong around the rim. You just
cannot move him with those giant legs in the lane.
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So if I made this is terrible. I should never
say this. He asked me once, He said, show me
how to do that move that you do, okay, and
it's a little guy move that If I can't make
that play, I can't play anywhere, all right. So I
show it to him. And it took me like a
year to perfect that move for me. So I showed
it to him and then we played like three days
later and he's using that move in the game. Three days.
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It took him, but you know what he did. You
know what he did. He practiced that. He went into
the gym by himself and worked on this little shake
with his left hand and then crossed to his right
the move I showed him. He had it in three days.
It took me. It took me a year. It in
three days. That's how great an athlete he is. See,
this is why we have Tim Kirchin on. I love
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Tim Kirchin. I don't understand how this happened way too long.
Verducci doesn't have stories like this. You're right, that was
That's my bad. I got confused. Now Rosenthal does, but
Verducci does not has a bad phone line anywhere. We
have a story. Yes, Tim, it's great to talk to
you about you always. You put a smile on my face.
I know you love the game. I'd like to love
the game more. Let's put it that way. And they
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make it hard sometimes. Yeah, well we're getting back to it, Dan,
don't worry, but thanks for having me on today. It's
really nice to see it. Great to see you, Timmy.
That's Tim Kirchin, Tim Kirchin ESPN, and he's got the
game tonight, the Yankees and the Rays prepping for tonight's game.
He crushed. Tim's one of those guys, and like you
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take him for granted because I was there five days
a week, sometimes six days a week at the Mothership
and you would just see him always in good mood,
always and always had something positive to say about the game.
And I mentioned Kenny Maine. When we come back, I
just want to pay tribute to Kenny Maine. ESPN. Let
him go after twenty seven years. We will get to
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more of your phone calls as well. We'll take a
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your podcasts, get your phone calls coming up. ESPN let
Kenny Main go after twenty seven years, and that announcement
came out yesterday. I got a chance to anchor with
Kenny for a few years. In fact, he came in
(36:15):
after Keith Oberman left and Kenny was my tag team
partner at the eleven o'clock Sports Center. He's just a
great soul and I enjoyed being around him. He loved
to laugh and very creative. Funny had a style that
was unique and I don't know how many sports centers
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he was doing. But Kenny, You'll be fine knowing Kenny.
He'll he always seems to find the sunshine. Yeah, Paul,
I remember really specifically when when Keith left and you
were paired with Kenny. That was a big big deal
to us the consumer of ESPN, because there's a lot
of pressure on a guy like that to work well
with you, because the bar was so high with Keith leaving,
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and he was really fun right off the bat, like
he didn't shy away or seem scared. He jumped right in.
Was you guys? Had a good back and forth? Yeah,
And there was a lot of pressure then because he
was nothing like Overman in his style, his approach. They
were two different people. And I remember that I think
a lot of rich Eisen brought it up to me yesterday.
(37:21):
He said, who made that call for Kenny to replace Keith?
And I remember I was on a camping trip with
my son. He was in the Boy Scouts or Cub Scouts,
and I didn't have phone service. Like, I wasn't involved
in that decision, believe it or not. Nothing, but I
internally people were saying, you know, hey, who are you
(37:42):
going to pick? And I kept saying, I'm not making
this pick because I didn't want to pick somebody and
then have management not like who I picked, you know,
because they do these focus groups and all this stuff.
And I just said, who do you want to see
at eleven o'clock every night? You guys decide because I
wasn't going to do it. And Kenny came in, and
(38:07):
Kenny was just so I work with Bob Lee and
I had to kind of figure out how Bob and
I were going to do this. Then I worked with Keith.
We had to figure that out together. Kenny was the
same way. You kind of have to figure out each
other because there is some rhythm, you know, synchronicity in
doing it, and you're there every You're with them more
than you are anybody else in your life. You're there
(38:29):
nine ten hours a day and that person you're doing
live TV, and you know, how do you help them?
How do they help you? Having that chemistry and you
know there's magic to it. Believe it or not, you
can try, You can try your damnedest. That doesn't mean
that it works. Oberman and I never ever discussed our
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relationship what we do on the air, never never talked
about what we were writing, never talked about how we
were going to deliver something. Did you go into show
was not knowing the other guys writing in bits or
tone or any direction? Yeah? Nothing, nothing. Now, I didn't
want to know because I wanted to react naturally and
I wanted him to react naturally. And you know, we
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were able to make that work. Bob Lee was a
great partner too. He really taught me how to do
Sports Center, to be a journalist on Sports Center. Keith
taught me about entertainment. Kenny taught me about Senci humor,
you know, just how to use it subtlety. And Kenny
had an unbelievable arm. He was like a third string
(39:35):
quarterback at UNLV when Randall Cunningham was there. Kenny had
an absolute gun, unbelievable arm, unbelievable arm. Crazy, yeah, Paul, Yeah,
Kenny Mayne. He actually played a little bit at UNLV.
He threw three touchdowns in two years. He had like
six thirty seven yards he played, and I think he
(39:58):
got a try out with he tore his ankle or
something like that, but I think you got to try
it with your Bengals. And then he went into journalism.
He was making garbage cans. He was making garbage cans,
I think in Seattle, and he sent a note to
my boss basically saying, hey, check the box here. Do
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you want to hire me? Oh my gosh, you can't
pass this up to now. You better stay with what
you're doing. And then another option was maybe try something
else for you know, your future, and he got the
job from John Walsh. All right, a couple of phone
calls here, we've been talking about Tim Tebow quite a bit,
Marco and Tim Pee. Hey, Marco, what's on your mind? DP,
(40:44):
DP dan F Dan Nation chat row every one, Good morning. No,
I just I agree with you guys, one hundred percent.
I agree with Paulie because look at Julian Edelman. He
would he adapted, he asked, he did whatever would ask
of him. And when you when you get an opportunity
with Belichick, you would You would think Tim would have
humbled himself and said, you know, I just want to
(41:06):
play with Tom Brady, why not be a tight end.
But I think he went with Tim Ego instead of
Tim Tebow. Oh okay, all right, thank you Marko. Yes,
this had a little bit. You know, he did play
special teams in New York. The problem was he wasn't
great at it. He would have he would have he
already humbled himself to be like a guyer. I think
Austin in South Carolina he wasn't fast enough to be
(41:27):
a gunner. Austin in South Carolina. Yeah, you got touched
on this a second ago. But um, when I hear
a guy trying to make a roster spot. They're trying
to get on the team, meaning special teams. Um up back, um,
hell hands team? Maybe. I mean it's you're and I
think this could have been a lot cooler. I mean,
I hate to say it, but he would have been
(41:48):
a guy on the roster for COVID emergencies and whatnot,
a quarterback like a Denver Bronco situation for example. Um
but um, I think that to Taysom Hill and he's
trying to make the rob he's going to go at
the tight end. But obviously it can be scouted at
a bunch of other special teams, utility positions and whatnot. Yeah,
maybe that Urban can use him elsewhere. Thank you, Austin.
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Here's one thing to keep an eye on. And I
don't know if you'll get people on the record, players
on the record. This is in college football. This isn't gimmicky.
The players who will be in the Jacksonville Jaguars camp
will look at this carefully because they want to make
sure Tim Tebow is earning that roster spot. Internally, this
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will be this will be discussed. I don't know if
it's an issue. Maybe he's going to be great for
the locker room, but players will keep an eye on this.
Urban wants to have the attention of that locker room.
You want everybody on the same page. You want that
credibility that you've earned. These young guys they don't care
(42:51):
about Tim Tebow. If he can help them win, that's
one thing. But if he does take a rosters, then
you'll start to hear something internally. Until then, the ninety
man roster not a big deal, at least not yet.
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You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio. Welcome to the program. It's our two. On
this Tuesday, Dan and The Dane's Dan Patrick Show spent
a lot of time talking about Tim Tebow and or
Russell Westbrook's accomplishment. What year is this that we're talking about?
Tim Tebow playing football again? Been nine years? Going to
(00:21):
sign a one year deal, is going to be part
of the ninety man roster. Just so everybody knows he
didn't make the team, he made the roster. All that
is is he made the roster to go to camp.
If he makes the fifty three man roster, then we
could have a real discussion here. But for everybody who's
up in arms that he's taken a roster spot, did
(00:43):
anybody get upset? The DK Metcalf got a chance to
run against guys who have spent their entire lives trying
to qualify for the Olympic team. Now they created an
extra space for DK Metcalf to run. Nobody had a
problem with that, right, Hey, this is fun? All right?
Maybe that's what this is. Maybe Urban Meyer is doing
(01:04):
Tim Tebow a favor. Here's your curtain called Tim, Come
on in Let's see if you can play tight end.
Do I think he can? No, I don't. I don't,
But I do think that urban Meyer owes it to
Tim Tebow. He may not be respecting the game and
respecting the players. And you know, was he going to
(01:26):
lose the locker room? Like the number of things that
I've heard in the last twenty four hours is kind
of crazy. He didn't give him a five year deal,
And I wouldn't be surprised if Tim plays in practice
and then he realizes he's not a tight end, and
then maybe he joins urban Meyer's staff. That's it feels
like last call for him. He's thirty three years of age,
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nine years off DK Metcalf, hadn't run tracked since high school.
Once again, nobody had a problem with it. He's actually
out there with some of the fastest guys in the
world trying to make the Olympic team. Now, you know,
by you know, most observers, he did pretty well there,
(02:13):
like he held his own. Okay, let's just see if
Tebow can do it. When somebody gets a sponsors exemption
into a golf tournament, nobody's up in arms. Nobody says, oh,
you're taking away a roster spot. This is Tim Tebow,
and with Tim Tebow comes headlines, opinions, and right now
(02:33):
you're getting former players tweeting he's taken a roster spot.
Judging from the tight ends that they have. There are
other guys who were taking roster spots on that Jacksonville team,
just saying, poll question, McLevin, when do we have Okay,
will Tim Tebow make the Jaguars sixty? Say no? So
(02:55):
people are still skeptical that this will eventually happen. Yeah,
and I agree, Jeremy and Texas joins us. Hey, Jeremy,
what's on your mind morning? First of all, it cost
Kim Leebo. You know, he hasn't played football and that long,
but he's been an athlete. He's been playing baseball, so
he's not like he's not conditioned. Two is he's got
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the size in the field. Sounds like a Travis Kelsey,
you know, he's not Oh no, no, no, no, no
no no, don't do that, no no no, don't do that.
Don't mention Travis Kelsey that he's he's he's not even
in his neighborhood, not even in his zip code. Like
he's just trying to be the third tight end. Travis
Kelsey is a Hall of Famer. Yeah. See, I'm not
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sure about it, but I think baseball shape and football
shape are different too. Yes, that fitness level I don't know,
but it is now you can say, well, he's been
competing and working hard. What you do for baseball is
completely different than what you do for football. Yes. And actually,
not to bring it back to Michael Jordan, but watching
that documentary and he talked about his transition to baseball
(03:58):
and his he said it he had a NBA body,
he had to completely break it down and rebuild his
body to fit baseball. Yeah. Wild, it's a great point. Yeah,
Polly that said, if you've seen seeing Tim Tebow and
the minors of the Mets, he looked like he was
in football shape, not baseball shack. He's honestly, he's bigger
than he was when he played football. Yes, he's jacked, yes,
which you don't need it all to play well. Sometimes
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when you see a guy who's jacked on the football field,
he doesn't look as jack because he's got pads on
and there are other guys around you that are jacked.
Not many baseball. Like when Bo Jackson played baseball. You went, Wow,
that's different, Tebo. You see him out in the right
field and you're thinking, Anna, third and one, I'm gonna
give him the ball. Yeah, Polly, I think was it
in Washington? We went to the All Star Game and
(04:39):
got to CBP batting practice. Aaron Judge is tall and big.
Giancarlos Stanton looks like an NFL jacked tight end. He
does not look like a baseball player. There's a different
Giancarlos Stanton is like Miles Garrett of the Browns, where
you just go, oh my god, how do they make
him that big? Eight seven seven three. D P Show
email ADRESSDPA, Dan Patrick dot com, Twitter handle at dp
(05:02):
show Segod morning to our radio and TV partners, and
we say a load of Lloyd and Tampa, Hey Lloyd,
Good morning, Dan, Good morning guys. This whole thing about Tebow,
you know, taking a roster spot is the point that
gets me going. Guys try year after year after year
as undrafted players to make a team. You can't blame
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the guy for wanting to try. And if he proves
that he can't block and he can't catch, and he
makes the team, then it's a publicity stunt. But you
could argue urban Meyer is a publicity stunt, so let
him take a shot. Yeah, I look, I'm okay with it.
(05:45):
I don't have any control over the decision that's on
urban Meyer, but I just let him try out. No
other team's gonna let him try out. The only thing
I thought of when I saw that there was a
possibility there is I wish him would have tried it
nine years ago, ten years ago, just been open to it.
(06:08):
Emergency quarterback, but you're going to use him as an
h back. I wish that he would have tried, just
to see if he could have. Tim wanted to continue
to try to be a starting quarterback, and he got
a lot of opportunities. He just not a quarterback, not
an NFL quarterback. There are guys who play quarterback at
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a high level in college. That doesn't mean you're going
to be a great pro a good pro. It just
he won the Heisman. There was tebow Time. He won
that incredible playoff game with the Steelers. Broncos beat the Steelers.
Everybody fell in love with tebow Time. Nobody really brought
up the fact that Tim's inability to play the position
(06:50):
required tebow Time because if you play really well, then
you don't have to have tebow time. How about you
got a three touchdown lead going into the worth quarter
as opposed to we're down four. Well, gotta make something happen.
And his best trait was running, yeah pull. If you
go back to Taysom Hill when he was at BYU,
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and he played a lot of quarterback at BYU. When
he was at his pro day, he was asked by
both the media and the teams, are you open to
switching positions? He said, yes, I'm open to it, but
the plan right now is to go forward to play quarterback.
If someone wants to take me at the chance to
learn a position and they're willing to go through the
learning cover with me, I'm fine with that, or I'm
fine with the quarterback persis. He's very open to it.
He was asked a game again about it. He said,
I love the game of football. I know my timeframe
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is short to play in this game, so I'm going
to take advantage of it at any position that I'm
asked to play. Look at where Taysom Hill is now. Yeah, yeah,
he embraced it. But he's probably a better athlete, better
suited for the NFL with his athleticism, because you're talking
about a guy who could play wide receiver and as
a kick returner and as a quarterback. Yea, at some
(07:56):
point as a Jaguars fan, when do you start getting
nervous about urbane decision making? Uh? Well, you couldn't screw
up Trevor Lawrence. Okay, right, he has handed that one.
But there's you know, like he came in and blew
out the whole scouting scouts team right, the whole stat
staff there, which I don't know, maybe that happens all
the time, but all the time. But but he brought
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in the strength and conditioning coach from Iowa who was
fired from Iowa, and Urban wanted to give him a
second chance. Oh hey, we're signing a tight end. Awesome,
who's oh Tim Tebow who doesn't get a job out
of Urban Meyer? What do you gotta do to not
get a game? Can I be the GM? I know
football a lot about it, all right, So that's the
(08:41):
poll question and we'll get some more phone calls on
this topic coming up. Russell Westbrooks at the all time
record last night triple doubles as he passes Oscar Robertson
Rush now has seven career twenty plus assists, twenty plus
our twenty point game games, three more than the rest
of all active NBA players combine one eighty two career
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triple doubles. I mean, these are these are incredible stats.
But that's what they are. There's stats. If I said, hey,
look at the numbers of Miguel Cabrera, if I said
look at Rockael pal Merrow's numbers, like you'd go, wow,
(09:26):
those are incredible numbers. Were they great players? Did they
just compile? And Matthew Stafford has big numbers. Philip rivers
big numbers like we have compilers. Now this the triple
double is the kig because if we didn't coin a
phrase here, probably back when Magic was doing it, then
(09:50):
it wouldn't be hey, we've got a triple double. What
if you averaged forty nine and nine did an average
triple double? Russ average a triple dubble? What if what
if you averaged I don't know, fifteen twenty assists, nine rebounds,
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he did an average a triple double. Triple doubles really
easy to understand. And Russ more triple doubles than everybody,
the most one off triple double games. In the last
thirty years. Russ has forty eight of those games where
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he was one off, whether it was a rebound or
an assist or maybe a point. Lebron has fifty four
of those. Jason Kidd had fifty seven of those games.
Stat of the Day, stat of the day that past
out of the day stat of the day. Here comes
that one stat of the day. Here is Russell Westbrook Junior.
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The third on his appreciation for some of the greats
of the game as a player in this league and
to make it in this league, it's it's one thing.
But to be in this league and consistently do great
things and try to do great things, it's tough to do.
And the ones before me because like Ai and Oscar Magic,
like I said, the list can go on. Understanding and
(11:18):
being grateful. Like I said the other day, I'm super
grateful for especially for Oscar because he paved the way. Yeah,
they did. Congratulations to Russell Westbrook. I don't know what
it means because you're gonna have the analytics that community
is going to say, well, ball dominant, not a great player,
(11:42):
not a good shooter, compiler. I will say in defense
of Russell Westbrook. If you say, hey, when I go
watch somebody play, do I think they're they're giving it
their all? Does it matter to them? Does it mean something?
Do they care as much as it cares to me?
Russell Westbrook is on the short list of players that
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I watch and it feels like every single possession matters
to them. Now he doesn't win. They had an opportunity
at Oklahoma City, had Golden State down three games to one.
In fairness to him, Durant didn't play well and then
Durant set him out of here. I think he thought
that there was a glass ceiling. I'm not going to
(12:25):
win a championship here, James Harden, you got Russell Westbrook there,
He wanted out, Do you want to play with Russell
Westbrook as your point guard? Now? If you said Magic's
my point guard? Yes, John Stockton, yes, Steve Nash yes,
Isaiah Thomas yes. Even Steph Curry, who's ball dominant. But
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Steph is not like we get caught up in this
point guard. I mean Oscar was a scorer. I mean
like he was just a basketball player. Like we get
caught up in these designations. It's like who is a
point guard. Russ to me, is not really a point guard.
He's just basketball player. Like, what's new Luca point guard?
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I guess by today's definition, he's a point guard. No,
he's just a basketball player. Ball dominant guard is what
he is. Scottie Pippen was a point forward. They didn't
have a true point guard. I don't know these designations.
Steph Curry, I mean, he's not a point guard, but
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I'll take him over Russell Westbrook and there have been
a lot of great guards. But because of these stats,
you're always going to be able to say, well, that's
the triple double. That's all. He's got the most triple doubles.
That doesn't mean that he's the second best point guard
of all time. Yeah. Do you think that people classify
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Steph Curry's a point guard because he's not tall, he's
not that tall, because he's never He's only averaged more
than eight assist once in his career. He's listed in
NBA Reference as PG point guard his entire career. Not
one of those that switched like Tim Duncan. He switched
it every year. But he plays with Clay Thompson, who's
the other guard who is a shooting guard. You're a
shooting yes, but that's not fair to Steph Curry because
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if you rank the top shooting guards of all time,
he's in the mix. Well, he's the greatest shooter of
all time, but he's listed as a point guard right
without a mistake by staff point guard? No, because he
went back one more year at Davidson to work on
being a point guard. And I think he thought that
that was his entry point into the NBA. Is I
can only play if I'm a point guard because you're
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shooting guard at that time. You know he's six three,
he's slight, whereas Clay. You know, Clay's got a better
build as far as being that two guard. Yea, if
he was considered a shooting guard, stop me when I
get to where he goes all time. And this is
a from a lot of different list. Michael Jordan's number one,
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Kobe Bryant's number two. A lot of people have Dwayne
Wade as a third best shooting guard of all time,
kind of modern era since eighty. I never thought Dwayne
was a great shooter. He was a slasher, yeah, but
they haven't listed more shooting guard. He was listed as
a shooting guard Okay, Well those guys aren't better than
ray Allen. I mean, ray Allen's better shooter than those guys. Harden.
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You know, as far as like who would you want? Oh? Oh,
I thought you were saying like Dwyne Wade or Steph Curry. Um,
why wouldn't feel bad if my consolation prize is either
one of them. Let's let's put it that way. They
have James Harden, Fourth, Clyde Drexler. Fifth, Clyde Drexler. Yeah,
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a few different lists. Fifth on shooting guard, shooting guard,
not shooter. Was he was a slasher? He went a shooter.
Reggie Miller list as a shooting guard. Now Reggie is
a shooter. Yeah. See, well we're having the discussion of
UM shooters versus slashers. Where do scorers fit in that trifecta? Um,
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he's just a scorer. Well, I look at a scorer
as a guy who he gets his points in a
variety of ways, shoots and slashes. Well, he does everything.
I don't think he's a great shooter. You know that.
And there are guys who somehow get points and you go,
they're doing it and they're not great shooters. Russ is
not a great shooter. Yeah, see yay, just saying like
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the Kobe's of the world, Kobe was a volume guy,
like he got into a rhythm, but he had great form,
like he had all the shots, but he he's a scorer.
Sometimes if if you all you do is you can
shoot jumpers, then you're known as a shooter, the guy
who can get to the hoop slash, then you're known
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as a score. Yeah. Mcli. Do you think it's possible
Curry when it's all said and done, ends up higher
on the all time player list and Kobe, I think
it's gonna be real close. Uh, you gotta win a
couple more titles. Yeah, I still think Curry he's gonna
get a lot of top ten love. Well. Once again,
it's the statistical part of this he's gonna have, so
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you know, he's gonna play in six hundred fewer games
I think than Ray Allen and surpass him in three
point shooting. So like these numbers, while they're crazy now,
in ten years we might look back and go, Man,
who would have thought? I thought that record was you know, unbreakable.
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I mean it took a long time for Oscar. That
was forty seven years but Russell Westbrook did that. What's
Luca don Chick gonna average for his career? He's gonna
average a triple double. Pretty good start, yeah, mcclu. But
he has to win, you know, like Dirk, Dirk was amazing.
That hasn't want anything. Yeah, we just saw him. He's
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thirty six on the ESPN players. I know, but I
got I got people arguing is the second greatest point
guard of all time. He didn't want anything. Now, I know,
you go, well, you can't put all that on him
in basketball. I can put more of that on you
because it's five guys football, I know, we you know,
put it all in the quarterback. Either you did great
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or you did poor. You won or you lost the
super Bowl. Basketball, if it's five guys, yes, two guys
can win you a championship. There. Russ hasn't won anything.
Now you can say Stockton didn't win anything, got to
the finals twice. You're right. I mean he lost to Jordan,
You're right. He did not win. Gary Peyton wonderful, didn't win, Okay,
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I get it. Oscar won one when he went and
he was with Kareem and he was a different player
back then when they won their title. If Jerry West
had nine championship rings eight see the Greatest Player of
all Time? He went. He went against the Celtics every
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year and lost. A team that had eight or nine
Hall of Famers on the roster. He lost. If Jerry
has seven titles, see the Greatest Player of all time? Right,
that's where you're trying to figure out, you know, where
somebody fits historically. By the way, Russ has still got
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quite a few years left here. He's not gonna win
a title in Washington. Take years going on. If I
said he's gonna win a title, then it's a hot take.
You gotta understand how these hot takes work. Man. Oh yeah, Paul,
I have a little career stat for you. Steph Curry
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and Kobe Bryant both averaged twenty five, six and five
for their careers. Almost exact stats there. And if Steph
Curry is going to lead the NBA and scoring this year,
both will have led the NBA's oring twice in their careers.
Their stat line is almost exactly. I can't put Steph
over Kobe. I can't. He's got time, but I can't
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do that. I find him fascinating, just like I did Kobe.
It felt like Kobe. Yeah. See, you know you get
into these discussions, then you disparage somebody. I don't want
to do that. Kobe is higher on the list than
Stuff is at thirty two years old. Kobe Bryant average
twenty five and a half a game. Steph Curry's averaging
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thirty two a games. Yeah, the NBA is different, very different.
Three points are completely every Like a team scores one
hundred and forty points, nobody blinks. Remember it used to
be first team to one hundred would get a win.
Now it's like, hey, would you you guys scored one
hundred and twenty? Yeah we lost, We lost by eight.
Team like that. It's just there's no defense. Nobody cares
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about the regular season, and I think the numbers show
that it's almost It has a very free flowing backyard
field to it. Until we get to the postseason. Let's
take a break. Is it time to worry? If you're
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the Cubs. Why has he been avoiding tray? That's way
(22:42):
too long? Why is he avoiding us? Could be on us.
Let's bring in Tim Kirk Tim Kirchin ESPN. Hi, Timmy,
how are you good? Dad? I have not been avoiding you.
I do that. I used to be on your show
every Friday. It was great. Yeah, you know what, I'm
gonna blame Fritzie for that. Fritzie, why haven't you had
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Tim Kirchina. It is a major oversight. I love Timmy
and I have no excuse for that. But at all,
Fritzie's always going, let's get for Ducci on and I
go in Rosenthal. I said, wow, what about Kirchin? I
did say Buster can't do it today? So what about?
We were okay with it. It's great to have you on, Tim,
great to talk to you again. And uh, you know
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we were talking about this with the strikeouts when we
were growing up. If you struck out one hundred times
as a hitter. That was embarrassing. Now it's okay. At
what point did it did we change where it's okay
to strike out in baseball? For me, Dan, it came
in the mid eighties when Bo Jackson, Jim Presley, Robbed
(23:47):
Dear Pete, and Kabelia. They all came to the big
leagues at the same time, big strong guys swung as
hard as they could. At twenty five thirty homers a year,
struck out one hundred and fifty times, and ever since
then it has been o K to K. That's about
thirty five years, but the last five to ten years
this is completely out of control. Now a thousand and
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ninety two more strikeouts in April than there were hits.
It is ridiculous. You talk about one hundred strikeout guys. Dan.
From nineteen hundred to nineteen sixty three combined, there were
ninety four individual players who struck out one hundred times,
and now every year we have one hundred and sixty
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guys or so who strike out one hundred times or more.
It's amazing what we're watching these days, and it's mostly
because the stuff these guys see on a nightly basis
is ridiculously good. The velocity is so far off the charts,
and yet it's the secondary stuff that's even better than
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the velocity. And it comes down to this. When Jacob deGrom,
Max Scherzer, Garrett Cole are d and they're locating, our
hitters have no chance against them. They don't just make
an out, they strike out. It's remarkable what we're watching
every night now. But also, and I know it's I'm
the get off my line guy, but put the ball
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in play, like put put your bat on the ball,
and you don't see that. And this is what I
miss with baseball. It's it's subtle, but it is the
hit and run, a stolen base, hitting it the other way,
Oh there's a shift on. Oh my gosh, how about
you just hit it where there's nobody over there? So
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I can you see somebody embracing what Whitey Herzog had
with the Cardinals, where it's going to be speed and
defense and running like something that's counterintuitive to what we have.
Will we have a team that does that? No, Dan,
we won't. That Cardinal team was built for doing that.
They played on AstroTurf, They had a bunch of really
(25:57):
fast guys. They beat the ball into the ground and
ran everybody. We don't play that game anymore, Dan, I
did the game last night, Rav Eduardo president I and
we had two bunts for a hit, and we had
two sacrifice bunts last night, and one was a squeeze
and I almost started. I was so happy to see that,
(26:19):
because we don't play that game anymore. I mean, look
a look at the Yankees. I'm doing the Yankee game
tonight with Ravvie and Eduardo. The Yankees don't have a
triple yet. They have seven stolen bases all season, which
is a lot for them, but it's the fuse in
the league, and they average about one double per game.
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This is where we are. If you don't hit the
ball out of the ballpark, as most teams do, you
simply don't win these days. And I desperately miss growing
up at a time where Rod Carew would dump a
bunt and get a hit, Brett Butler would drag one
to the right side and get a hit. And we
don't have that anymore. And I miss it because I
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think those are the most skillful, exciting parts of the game,
and I think we're all a little bit tired of
just watching guys hit it as far as they can
and strike it out three times in between. I was
also wondering about the pitching stats here. We've had four
no hitters already this season. If it's a swing and
miss league and nobody's putting the ball in play, then
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we're probably going to break the single season no hit record,
I'm gonna guess, or we should be flirting with it
right well, eight is the record that was done in
the eighteen hundreds. But Dan, you're right, we have lost
the value of the hit in the game today. We're
no longer interested, nor are our hitters being taught to
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hit a hard groundball through that hole over there. They're
not interested in getting a single. Last year, Dan, the
Reds who made the playoffs had more walks than singles.
It's the first time in history any teams finished with
more walks than singles. That's where we are now. But
I'm going to try to defend our hitters because I'm
(28:03):
with you on this. Can we please just put it
in play? Can we please beat the shift over there?
But our guys have been swinging the same way for
fifteen years. They have one swing and it's beautiful and
if you run into that bad path, it's not a
liner to left, it's a home run. To ask these
guys who have been hitting the same way for fifteen years, Okay,
(28:24):
we're gonna make a big change tonight. We want you
to choke up and hit it to right field, and
we want you to do it against Max Scherzer tonight.
Good luck with that. It's like telling a basketball player,
you know, the way you've been shooting for all these years,
we want you to change the shooting motion tonight, and
we want you to not follow the flight of the ball.
A lot of guys still do that. That's a hard
(28:45):
thing to do. So I think to ask a hitter, hey,
we want you to make a change, and we want
you to go out and get a hit off of
Justin Bieber, well, good luck with that. So that's the
concern is this is a This is going to take
years to make the change, and we're gonna have to
literally go to batting cages where ten year olds are
hitting and tell them, all right, this is what we
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want you to do. We want you to hit it
over there, and we don't want you to try to
get it up in the air every single time. You
just called Shane Bieber Justin Bieber. I did not, did
I really? And I wouldn't know Justin Bieber if I
fell over. Oh god, I'm sorry, what happened to you?
This is why we don't have Tim Kirchin on Todd
(29:29):
Justin Bieber. What is that all about it? I'm sorry,
that's terrible. You know what, We'll take it out of
the rear, Okay, So don't don't worry about that. We'll
clean it up. Well, I don't know anything about music,
and I just found out the other day that Chris
Martin is the lead singer in cold Play. I wouldn't
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know one of their songs, and they hit me over
the head either. So anything that is pop culture wise,
just leave me out. What's the last concert you attended? Well,
I've only been to three in my whole life, and
I'm sixty four years old. I went to see Dan
Fogelberg in college on a date that was a disaster.
(30:10):
By the way, then, wait, why was it a disaster? Well,
me and a woman in college. I had no idea
what to do. That's why it was a disaster. And
by the way, that still goes today. So you were
striking out at the rate of today's baseball players, way
worse than today's right. Yes, I didn't even try at
(30:30):
you didn't have a launch angle, did you, right? And
then my daughter, my daughter in the eighth grade, we
went to see Yellow Card, which I kept getting mixed up.
I kept calling him a Green Card because I get
I miss them up with Green Day or something, and
stupid me, having been to one concert in my life,
I was told concert starts at seven thirty. So I
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have five eighth grade girls in my car, and I think,
all right, concert starts at seven thirty, will be done
by nine ten. It'll be great. They had like four
bands play before Yellow Card or Green Card or whatever
they were called, and they went on at ten thirty.
We got home at like one thirty in the morning
on a school night. The women were like ready to
(31:12):
kill me. It was so bad. And then I saw
Kenny Chesney at Syracuse when we dropped our daughter off
for college about ten years ago. So I'm sixty four
and I've been to three concerts in my life, and
I just found out the other day Molly Hatchett is
not a woman. So someone should have told me that
before this, how are the Dodgers? Do you start when
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you start to worry if you're a Dodger fan, here, Tim, Well,
they've lost fifteen out of twenty, and during that stretch
only the Tigers have played worse than the Dodgers. Who
knew this is the ultimate beauty of the game, Dan,
The Warriors in their great days never never had a
five and fifteen stretch where you wondered, are they okay?
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The Dodgers are gonna be fine. They got a bunch
of injuries, they haven't hit in two weeks. It's gonna change.
They're gonna be the best team in baseball by the
end of the year. But it just shows you when
people asked me when the season started, well, the Dodgers
win one hundred and seventeen games this year, I said, no,
it's too hard to do that in today's game. So
this is a bad rough patch for them. They'll get
(32:16):
out of it. They'll be great before long. Do you
still play basketball? Yeah? I played the other This was
so bad. I was at a gym and I was
just shooting by myself, and these two kids came up
to me, and there was another like old guy in there,
shooting at another The two kids, probably ten years old, said,
(32:37):
do you guys want to play two on two? So
I assumed the two old guys would pair up and
we'd have a little you know, a young guy and
an old guy. Instead, the two little guys wanted to
play the two old guys two on two. So that
was the last time that I played. And I took
that ten year old to the rack to believe me,
which I was pretty proud of because he was bigger
(33:00):
than I was. So now you used to play hoops
with cal Ripkin? All right? Yess how good was rip
You know? Amazing Dan? He never played in high school
and he became a great basketball player. I mean, he's
so big and so strong around the rim. You just
cannot move him with those giant legs in the lane.
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So if I made this is terrible. I should never
say this. He asked me once, He said, show me
how to do that move that you do, okay, and
it's a little guy move that If I can't make
that play, I can't play anywhere, all right. So I
show it to him. And it took me like a
year to perfect that move for me. So I showed
it to him and then we played like three days
later and he's using that move in the game. Three days.
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It took him, but you know what he did. You
know what he did. He practiced that. He went into
the gym by himself and worked on this little shake
with his left hand and then crossed to his right
the move I showed him. He had it in three days.
It took me. It took me a year. It in
three days. That's how great an athlete he is. See,
this is why we have Tim Kirchin on. I love
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Tim Kirchin. I don't understand how this happened way too long.
Verducci doesn't have stories like this. You're right, that was
That's my bad. I got confused. Now Rosenthal does, but
Verducci does not has a bad phone line anywhere. We
have a story. Yes, Tim, it's great to talk to
you about you always. You put a smile on my face.
I know you love the game. I'd like to love
the game more. Let's put it that way. And they
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make it hard sometimes. Yeah, well we're getting back to it, Dan,
don't worry, but thanks for having me on today. It's
really nice to see it. Great to see you, Timmy.
That's Tim Kirchin, Tim Kirchin ESPN, and he's got the
game tonight, the Yankees and the Rays prepping for tonight's game.
He crushed. Tim's one of those guys, and like you
(34:49):
take him for granted because I was there five days
a week, sometimes six days a week at the Mothership
and you would just see him always in good mood,
always and always had something positive to say about the game.
And I mentioned Kenny Maine. When we come back, I
just want to pay tribute to Kenny Maine. ESPN. Let
him go after twenty seven years. We will get to
(35:11):
more of your phone calls as well. We'll take a
break here. We're back after this Dan Patrick Show. Thanks
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your podcasts, get your phone calls coming up. ESPN let
Kenny Main go after twenty seven years, and that announcement
came out yesterday. I got a chance to anchor with
Kenny for a few years. In fact, he came in
(36:15):
after Keith Oberman left and Kenny was my tag team
partner at the eleven o'clock Sports Center. He's just a
great soul and I enjoyed being around him. He loved
to laugh and very creative. Funny had a style that
was unique and I don't know how many sports centers
(36:38):
he was doing. But Kenny, You'll be fine knowing Kenny.
He'll he always seems to find the sunshine. Yeah, Paul,
I remember really specifically when when Keith left and you
were paired with Kenny. That was a big big deal
to us the consumer of ESPN, because there's a lot
of pressure on a guy like that to work well
with you, because the bar was so high with Keith leaving,
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and he was really fun right off the bat, like
he didn't shy away or seem scared. He jumped right in.
Was you guys? Had a good back and forth? Yeah,
And there was a lot of pressure then because he
was nothing like Overman in his style, his approach. They
were two different people. And I remember that I think
a lot of rich Eisen brought it up to me yesterday.
(37:21):
He said, who made that call for Kenny to replace Keith?
And I remember I was on a camping trip with
my son. He was in the Boy Scouts or Cub Scouts,
and I didn't have phone service. Like, I wasn't involved
in that decision, believe it or not. Nothing, but I
internally people were saying, you know, hey, who are you
(37:42):
going to pick? And I kept saying, I'm not making
this pick because I didn't want to pick somebody and
then have management not like who I picked, you know,
because they do these focus groups and all this stuff.
And I just said, who do you want to see
at eleven o'clock every night? You guys decide because I
wasn't going to do it. And Kenny came in, and
(38:07):
Kenny was just so I work with Bob Lee and
I had to kind of figure out how Bob and
I were going to do this. Then I worked with Keith.
We had to figure that out together. Kenny was the
same way. You kind of have to figure out each
other because there is some rhythm, you know, synchronicity in
doing it, and you're there every You're with them more
than you are anybody else in your life. You're there
(38:29):
nine ten hours a day and that person you're doing
live TV, and you know, how do you help them?
How do they help you? Having that chemistry and you
know there's magic to it. Believe it or not, you
can try, You can try your damnedest. That doesn't mean
that it works. Oberman and I never ever discussed our
(38:51):
relationship what we do on the air, never never talked
about what we were writing, never talked about how we
were going to deliver something. Did you go into show
was not knowing the other guys writing in bits or
tone or any direction? Yeah? Nothing, nothing. Now, I didn't
want to know because I wanted to react naturally and
I wanted him to react naturally. And you know, we
(39:13):
were able to make that work. Bob Lee was a
great partner too. He really taught me how to do
Sports Center, to be a journalist on Sports Center. Keith
taught me about entertainment. Kenny taught me about Senci humor,
you know, just how to use it subtlety. And Kenny
had an unbelievable arm. He was like a third string
(39:35):
quarterback at UNLV when Randall Cunningham was there. Kenny had
an absolute gun, unbelievable arm, unbelievable arm. Crazy, yeah, Paul, Yeah,
Kenny Mayne. He actually played a little bit at UNLV.
He threw three touchdowns in two years. He had like
six thirty seven yards he played, and I think he
(39:58):
got a try out with he tore his ankle or
something like that, but I think you got to try
it with your Bengals. And then he went into journalism.
He was making garbage cans. He was making garbage cans,
I think in Seattle, and he sent a note to
my boss basically saying, hey, check the box here. Do
(40:19):
you want to hire me? Oh my gosh, you can't
pass this up to now. You better stay with what
you're doing. And then another option was maybe try something
else for you know, your future, and he got the
job from John Walsh. All right, a couple of phone
calls here, we've been talking about Tim Tebow quite a bit,
Marco and Tim Pee. Hey, Marco, what's on your mind? DP,
(40:44):
DP dan F Dan Nation chat row every one, Good morning. No,
I just I agree with you guys, one hundred percent.
I agree with Paulie because look at Julian Edelman. He
would he adapted, he asked, he did whatever would ask
of him. And when you when you get an opportunity
with Belichick, you would You would think Tim would have
humbled himself and said, you know, I just want to
(41:06):
play with Tom Brady, why not be a tight end.
But I think he went with Tim Ego instead of
Tim Tebow. Oh okay, all right, thank you Marko. Yes,
this had a little bit. You know, he did play
special teams in New York. The problem was he wasn't
great at it. He would have he would have he
already humbled himself to be like a guyer. I think
Austin in South Carolina he wasn't fast enough to be
(41:27):
a gunner. Austin in South Carolina. Yeah, you got touched
on this a second ago. But um, when I hear
a guy trying to make a roster spot. They're trying
to get on the team, meaning special teams. Um up back, um,
hell hands team? Maybe. I mean it's you're and I
think this could have been a lot cooler. I mean,
I hate to say it, but he would have been
(41:48):
a guy on the roster for COVID emergencies and whatnot,
a quarterback like a Denver Bronco situation for example. Um
but um, I think that to Taysom Hill and he's
trying to make the rob he's going to go at
the tight end. But obviously it can be scouted at
a bunch of other special teams, utility positions and whatnot. Yeah,
maybe that Urban can use him elsewhere. Thank you, Austin.
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Here's one thing to keep an eye on. And I
don't know if you'll get people on the record, players
on the record. This is in college football. This isn't gimmicky.
The players who will be in the Jacksonville Jaguars camp
will look at this carefully because they want to make
sure Tim Tebow is earning that roster spot. Internally, this
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will be this will be discussed. I don't know if
it's an issue. Maybe he's going to be great for
the locker room, but players will keep an eye on this.
Urban wants to have the attention of that locker room.
You want everybody on the same page. You want that
credibility that you've earned. These young guys they don't care
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about Tim Tebow. If he can help them win, that's
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