2024 Trade Deadline Tier List (with Foolish Baseball)

Talkin' Jake is joined by Foolish Bailey to determine who had the best and worst trade deadlines in MLB this season!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, and welcome to Waken Jake. Always a special day
when Foolish Bailey is with myself in BBD as we
go over the trade deadline and we know what the
kids like. It's tearless season. Wait, where's Jolly upgrade button?
It's foolish Bailey, Bailey, how are you?

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yeah, I'm doing well. The kids do love a teer
list and they love s S is the best in
a teer list. I'm still not entirely sure why that is.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Yeah, I mean, I'm sure it's been commented numerous times.
Me and me and Jolly went through the positions before
the year Beeves, I think, do you I have current
categories laid out? Do you want me to run through
them again?

Speaker 3 (00:42):
I've written them down, okay as you read them to
me pre show.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
So I currently for the Waken Jake people, Thank you subscribe.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Look at that.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
I currently have won the trade deadline. Pretty basic. At
the top, Uh, move the needle. I think that's a
fun because that's kind of the ask at the end
of the day, except for those Yankee fans, we want more.
Below that, I have moved the mouse, which uh, you
know is kind of the something happened we.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
We you know, our finitely did something.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Front office was a week they shook the screensaver loose
below that I have, what was this? Nothing matters? And
then I have we could have confidently done better, which,
if you know me, I'm not that way. I like
to think the front office is a secret place where
we have all these numbers and information and codes that help.

(01:42):
But I also think half of them aren't. I think
half of them do have secret sauces and the other
half just have no clue what they're doing. So with that,
let's start placing. And when we do our tierless we
usually shuffle some things around during and if we find
something we like, I guess aiming wide Bailey did, where'd

(02:05):
this deadline land for you? Is this? There was a
lot of transactions there obviously, wasn't the big fish. Did
you find it enjoyable or did you find it kind
of man?

Speaker 2 (02:15):
I found it more enjoyable than my previously low expectations.
Like we talked about this last month, the who was
a contender who was going to be a buyer, who
was a seller at the deadline hadn't really revealed itself
a month ago, and there has been some separation in
the standing sense. So we did see some teams really
commit to selling or really commit to buying. But the
thing that I also enjoyed is there were some teams

(02:36):
that did a little bit of both, and I think
we'll talk about those teams as well. And so that
sort of spiced up the deadline because it wasn't generic
buyer seller. You know, there's some teams in the middle
just kind of wheeling and dealing a little bit there,
and that's probably what I enjoyed the most.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Who I mean, We'll start off lamestream media. That's all
I am now these days. I used to be, you know,
the cool the cool guy that rolled with John Boy.
Now I'm just another lame streamer. What are the wins?

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Like?

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Who's you know? Clicking around the internet this morning and
going by gut Field, there was a lot of Dodgers
talk out there. I feel like the Padres have to
be in the conversation. I know, the capital wise they
gave up a lot, The Orioles did a lot. A
couple teams also did a lot of transactions. I guess
who from there jumps out for you or who else

(03:27):
am I missing?

Speaker 2 (03:30):
In terms of teams that would be viewed as buyers.
I think the Dodgers did the best here. They got
the best rental arm available in Flairty. And I just
man like, Tommy Edmond is a good baseball players. That's
really all I can say about it. Tommy Edmond is
a good baseball player. He puts up his war, he
steals bases, he plays great defense, he's versatile, he's like

(03:51):
a league averageish hitter throughout his career. He's like a
really good baseball player. And just like, the fit is
just so good with those two. I think of all
the teams that were just buying, they did a great
job of acquiring the talent they need to acquire without
giving a ton of prospect capital up.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Yeah, and I mean Copeck arm talent wise, of relievers,
he's in the discussion. I mean that gets a little
tricky because, like I could also say Gregorysoto has great
arm talent, but he's his obviously value is in a
different place right now. Yeah, I think it's tough to
negotiate against the Dodgers. I guess the only thing where

(04:28):
I was kind of getting defensive this morning a little
bit was people were talking about Kiermeyer Rosario and some
of their other moves in I don't know in a
positive light, and like, I get it. I mean, their
MLB names we know, but also I don't know, the
back end of that Dodgers lineup can still end up

(04:51):
in a weird place. And I don't know. I guess
people were talking about their offensive moves impressively and I didn't.
I don't feel that way.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
No, I think that's fair to say, Like, you know,
Edmond is a league average bat and he's probably the
best bat they added. So, uh, you know, that's not
necessarily a lineup lengthener, you know, it's just a it's
a good guy to have. But I do agree that
that does not necessarily give to the bottom half of
the line up a huge boost.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
Yeah, I mean, it's just again, there's gonna be a
lot of injuries for every team. There's gonna be guys
coming back right now, the the bottom of the Dodgers
lineup as of today, and again, Mookie Betts is gonna
come back. And I'm not sure Munthsi's timeline, sure, but
right there, right near they're five six, seven eight nine
is listed as Jason Hayward, Andy Pajes Cavin Bigio, Kei

(05:42):
k Hernandez and Nick Ahmed with a bench of Ahmed Rosario,
Kirmyron Outman. So like, hey, something a lot of things
are gonna come together for this Dodgers team. They're a
power player and maybe the biggest thing where they are
a win that I need to put my the guns
down a little bit capital wise, that we're going to
talk about with some of these other teams. Yeah, it

(06:03):
didn't feel like they. I mean, I like Miguel Vargas
a lot. I think he's got quick hands and I yeah,
tough for anyone in Chicago right now to contribute. But
I don't know. If Miguel Vargas had a big second half,
we'd be looking at him as a middle of the
lineup Dodgers hitter.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah, he's a guy who's like sort of trended down
in the long term and I feel for him, but
you know, it'll be interesting to see like what he
can do going forward.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Yeah, my scouting is tough. I he has quick hands, uh,
and I feel like, well, you never know players with opportunity.
The White Sox, well, I'm interested to see where they're
at on this list. I think the Dodgers probably go
on top of the pie for now. Will We'll see
see if anyone else deserves to really join them up there?

(06:56):
Who else is deadline? Did you really like Bailey?

Speaker 2 (06:59):
There? There were there were really three other teams I
really liked and and if you want to, you know,
let me hit on all three of those.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
Okay, I've started saying I've started saying cook like, I
really use it. And that's right, that's a we got
ice effects how it starts. So I think I need
to I want to apologize to the people on that.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
The The problem is and and BBD is correct about
this is once you start ironically using it, you will
start un ironically using it, and there will be you know,
no clear point of transition from there. Remember from mid
as well, Yeah, these teams are are not mid though.
In terms of their trade deadlines. I liked what the
Marlins did. They really loaded up. It was it's a

(07:42):
deep system. Augusta Ramirez, who was in the Jastism trade,
was in my opinion, probably the best prospect traded the
entire trade deadline. Rays I think did a good job.
They did. Weird Raizy buying and selling at the same time,
I really liked it for them overall, it'll just probably
work for them both in the short term and the

(08:03):
long term. And I'm gonna shout out to the Toronto
Blue Jays as well. I really liked what the Blue
Jays did here because and we'll talk about it also
from the Astros perspective later, but that Kakujie deal, I
think the return on that was really nice. That to
me felt like maybe the most lopsided deal in terms
of this entire trade deadline. And I just feel like
the way they position themselves, they they sort of lengthened

(08:26):
the window. They gave themselves another crack at it next year,
and you know, I liked it.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yeah, I I think I'm full on board with you
for both Miami teams Tampa Bay the number of prospects
they got, while you know, Chris Morrel for Perettas. I
hear the you know, some of the analytics stuff on
Perettas that maybe he's playing slightly above his skis. I

(08:56):
know he does have the full poll thing that we've
talked about on here before that I I believe in
like I've seen perette It's like I can play baseball,
big prospect. It feels like the Rays tapped into it
and now they're trying to cash in more. I am
a Christopher Morell guy that I think the Rays are
are laughing a little bit. I think they think they

(09:17):
can get the same production out of morel if not
more pop, while also cashing in on more prospects along
the way. And dude, that that Trevor Rodgers package. I mean,
I don't know, man, I feel like for everything we've
dreamt of of the Orioles cashing in some of these
some of their more real prospects. Like Connor Norby, I

(09:40):
think he qualifies top fifty type prospect. I realized there's
the Holidays and Adleys and guys ahead of him, But
I don't know for that the cash in to be
Trevor Rodgers, that was a little surprising.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
I actually didn't find it too shocking. Like Connor Norby,
we'll get into it, but he is a tier of
prospect that competitors trade. You know, He's not like that
is that's great guy to have around and to cash
in that ship when you get the opportunity. But when
you get the opportunity, you do move on. I think, Okay,

(10:17):
when you're a good team.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
I like the way you phrase that like that's that's
kind of Every team has their own individual almost prospect line.
They don't cross, you know, for our Yankees that we're
familiar with, if you're if you're a top twenty five guy,
I think they feel invested enough slash scared to get
hurt that that guy is gonna see daylight with the

(10:42):
Yankees at this point, whether it's Vulpi, whether it's Domingas,
whether it's I think Spencer Jones. I think he just
crossed into the we're too scared to get hurt by it.
I think other teams would have been more willing to
because there's risk there with the strikeouts rate, and not
not all giants are good at as all three of

(11:02):
us are under the five nine, five eight marker. On
this show BB Shoes, you're the high man.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
I claim five ten on you're the center on this
pickup basketballah.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
Of our of our US three by three team. Draymond, Sorry,
it looked like you had something to say, whether it's
about Yankees prospects, Spencer Jones, or something else, and then
I took.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
It well, I was about to say what you just said,
which is that other teams would have definitely moved on
from a Spencer Jones tier prospect.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
Right, let me enough Yankee talk. Actually, let's stay with
the Orioles a little bit, because this one I've I've
been digesting a little bit. Uh, And maybe some people
find irony here. I have wanted Eloy to be freed
for a while. I love his I love his natural

(11:56):
talent when he's right. I do think, uh, I think
we're silly as baseball fans to assume that players are
gonna give the same effort on bad, losing teams than
they would on a team that has a lot of hope.
And I realized there's early results on Jazz Chisholm being
a Yankee. But when you're playing for something that matters,

(12:21):
like just how you show up, ELOI is probably gonna
be pretty hype to show up to work. And I
don't think any white Sox player has said that over
the past couple of years. But the money for Eloy,
who's been an injury prone DH his recent performance, and
then I guess on the other side of it, we
already mentioned Rogers a little bit. Eflyn, who is is

(12:43):
it rude to call him a Chad innings eater. Is
he a step above that because he's giving preceptive innings.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
He's he's a he's a glorified innings eater, you know,
like he's like he is good. I wish my Brave's
traded for him, But yeah, I mean that is the
role he's there is to just he is to be
a quality start machine. And that quality start maybe six innings,
three n runs every time, right.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
And I guess I guess that's what I would say
when you say you're Braves trade firm. I mean he
would slot into the four or five starter where the
Orioles right now, I mean, Zach Efflin has an argument
for the three that we're you know, we're talking playoff baseball.
We're talking one of the favorites in the AL. And
the money attached, which fans should not super care about,

(13:30):
although I don't think Baltimore knows what their spending future
is truly. Yes, we have new ownership, Yes you did,
Corbyn Burns, but that eighteen mil for Zach Efflin next year. Again,
it doesn't hurt a team, but value wise, I don't know,
like the Rays works not happy to move on, but
kind of.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yeah, No, I mean we talked about this in the
Trade Deadline episode we did last time around, that that
because the Ethlyn deal was backloaded, that that would be
a price ority for them, because that eighteen mil for
him is probably more than they'd be comfortable spending. I
will say this though, with regards to the long term spending,
like Eloy is not a factor in that. Like he
is a rental. He has club options, and they're gonna

(14:11):
get declined almost certainly.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
I would say, if he goes nuts, is there there's
a chance, right, I don't.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
I'm gonna say no. And here's why, because I think
he's just gonna be a platoon bat. So like a
few homers against lefties, it's not enough for you to
convince yourself that he needs that type of money.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Man and Eloy September October would put that fan base
in an interesting spot for the first time a little while.
I don't think you can just for DH value wise,
but that could be fun to watch. So do you
did you like the Orioles moves in general?

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Yeah? They moved the needle Wink Wink No Judge DVD?

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Yeah they did. They did. You can't You can't argue
against that at all. I guess, and maybe the other
thing here is being co heired to your your peers,
like it's it's tough to say another American League contender
put the chips more on the table, you know.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
The the Yankees did. I would say, okay, please.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
Because we we had an office of morose Yankee fans yesterday,
because daydreams of Jack Flaherty and Carlos Estevez's or Tanner
Scott's all went out the window. That we're sitting here
with two homer a game, Jazz Chisholm, with our tail
between our legs, right.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
I mean, the thing that they're forgetting is that Jazz
Chislm is now pacing for about one hundred home runs
this year.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yeah, coming for job, but yeah, he's.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Coming for Judge. But no, I I mean, Jazz is
a serious acquisition that Gusta Rimirez is a serious prospect
to give up. I think there is disappointment there with
regards to the pitching, but also like I mean, gotta remember,
like part of this conversation was maybe they were gonna
trade Nester, you know, and they didn't do that. So
I think that I think they're in an all right spot.
I mean, the Orioles are better than them. Like, I
think they're probably gonna win that division, But I don't

(16:04):
know if I don't, I don't know if Jack Flerty
would have made a difference, to be honest with you,
but that I think the Yankees handled it just fine.
They drew the line in the prospects sand and uh,
they'll they'll be in a perfectly fine position come October.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Well what about as we go, Orioles to Yankees, the
the best team in the American League, the Cleveland guard Dogs. Uh,
they brought in Lane Thomas, who's been in trade rumors
for a little while now, and just such a such
a Guardian's trade, and then Alex Cobb at the buzzer whicheverone,

(16:43):
was like, all right, this is something. I mean does
that Does that move the needle for you? Does that
move the mouse for you?

Speaker 2 (16:51):
I'm gonna say it moves the needle, And I'm gonna
tell you why the Lane Thomas thing correct? Right? Like
I think if you asked, you know, Chris Rose, he'd
be like, this is the most Guardians outfielder trade deadline
acquisition of all time. Right that Alex Cobb is sneaky.
I think it's sneaky good. Potentially you're in do it.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
He has not pitched in the majors this year. He
has had one start in the miners. I've seen some
of the pitch data from it. It looks like it
was pretty good. This is a guy who has had stretches,
you know, with the Giants, particularly where the peripherals have
been really really nice. I thought it was very sneaky.
I thought it was a very Cleveland. I The obvious
move for them, you know, would have been to try

(17:32):
to get like Fetti from within the division or someone
like that, you know, like cheap, right. They they got
even cheaper, they got more creative, they got Alex Cobb.
I actually quite liked it. I'm gonna call it a
needle mover because of that.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Wow, that was okay, See, I thought Cobb, and I
guess I just live in the world of fear of
pitcher injuries right now that if if you haven't pitched
at this point of the season, it's it's very daunting
for me, especially Alex Cobb. Thirty six now uh thirty
six turns thirty seven October seventh, where he'll be the

(18:05):
starting pitcher against the new York Yankees. But yeah, I
don't know. I know Chris Rose didn't love the Cob
part of it, But I again, I think risk risk
reward wise with Cobb, I guess it's low risk and
there's a chance for a high end starting pitcher. Right.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Yeah, that's the thing there. You're talking about risk reward.
There is no risk. There is definitely potential for reward though,
Like there is upside here, and I don't think people
are acknowledging that.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Okay, let's there's been a little too much positivity for me, Bailey, Yeah, yeah, great,
all the Ale contenders you moved. Oh, Dodgers, we love.
I skipped the Blue Jays a little bit. I'll circle
back on that because they did get a nice Cakuchi package.
I guess I just want to see more. I don't
know what deadlines?

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Are you hating pirates man? Okay, they had it. They
had a chance to really like make an impact on
this wild card race, and they came away with. The
two key acquisitions were Brian de la Cruz and Isaiah
Kiner Filefa. If it was sheer amount of names, that's great.

(19:17):
That's that's seven names right there between those two. But
I mean, Brian de la Cruz, I get like, I
get it. Like I was in on him at one
point probably guess going into twenty twenty two, I was like,
oh yeah, because he had a nice September and twenty
one I was like, Oh, this is a guy. He's
got pop, he's got barrel rates. And since then it's
like he's a slightly below league average hitter at a

(19:39):
corner outfield spot. And he's not a good defender either,
Like is he is he better than Connor Joe? You know,
like that's presumably like who he's kind of gonna take
some playing time from IKF is ikf.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
You know, like that's what's happening.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
I mean, it's it's not a bad guy to have,
but it's just it's certainly not a needle mover. And man,
they just had an opportunity here, and I guess the
philosophy was, we're a young team, We're going to get
more cracks at it down the line. We have enough
pitching prospects, and they did cash in a little bit
with the Quinn Priest element there. You know that we

(20:13):
can use as our poker chips at the table, or
that they can really fill out this rotation in the
years to calm. But I just feel like, you know,
and there's another team I'll say similarly about later on,
these young teams that feel like they're entering their window
rather than exiting it. And the caution they're showing around
the trade deadline I think is the wrong way to
do it, because tomorrow is never granted. You know, they're

(20:36):
relying on ah because next year will be better and
we'll have this rookie come up, blah blah blah. There's
no need to push in all our chips now. I
just don't think so. I think if you've got to
crack at a wild card spot, you've got to make
an earnest attempt at getting there. And I don't feel
like they did.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yeah the Pirates for me, and so I do think
a fair part of the exercise is like in theory,
I love Brent Rooker to the Pittsburgh Pirates, Like I
thought that would be, Hey, you got some window years there,
you got some high end potential. Brent Riker didn't get traded,

(21:11):
and who knows what Oakland was asking because there's a
lot of Brent Rooker's numbers you could look at and
be like damn. I think he's awesome. So the A's
could have been asking for a lot. He didn't get traded,
so I can't judge on that. I can judge on
Jesse Winker man, like Jesse Winker the Pirate that feels impactful,
like a one thirty ops plus type guy that you

(21:34):
could plug into that lineup. Also, I mean this is
dumb Jki fangm but like Jesse Winkers general energy, with
what's going on in Pittsburgh right now, that would have
been electric. So the fact that you pass on whatever
that could have been, Yeah, that hurts.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Yeah, it does. And they're not the only team I
would say did that, but I think they're the worst
offender overall.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Who's the other one that's uh, that's Jones and at
you because I see, uh, what's the frame I was
gonna say itching at the is? Are there any phrases
chomping at the big Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
You know, I would say, I would say the Minnesota
Twins and and maybe this could be applied to the
Pirates as well. It's on the ownership, like they were
just like, don't add any salary, and they're like, well,
we can't really do anything. And I think maybe some
teams got a little more creative than those two in
that regard, But I mean they're six and a half
off the Guardians, and I just feel like, like I

(22:30):
really have believed all year that the Twins were gonna
chase them down. The entire year, I've been like, even
with the Guardians hot spot, I'm like, the Twins are better,
and now I'm just not so sure. I mean, six
and a half back with basically two months ago in
the season and very little coming from the trade deadline,
they're gonna be super reliant on you know, Royce Lewis
and Correa go crazy and Buckston. You know, then then yeah,

(22:50):
you know it's there for them. But uh, there were
maybe opportunities here at the trade deadline, and they just
I feel like they just basically did nothing.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Yeah, I'll be interested to say, because I I okay
not to go full hippie on you guys. Energy in
life and stuff just matters. Right now, the Twins are
getting bullied by the New York Mets. Maybe they Salvage's
last game Pablo vers Sevy. Tune in and next week

(23:17):
they've got a full Chicago week. It's White Sox and Cubby. So, hey,
maybe we're looking at the Twins a week from now,
and you know they've rattled off seven out of eight
in they're three and a half back. Whatever it is
man to get beat down by the Mets twice in
completely different fashions, To not do anything at the deadline,
no offense to Trevor richards Go sling some changeups up there?

(23:41):
Why not? Uh, dude, I've been We've been fake anti
Minnesota just because of our mutual friend Trevor Ploof. You know,
almost just send your jabs and they've got We've got
some easy jabs. We've been able to send up Minnesota
the past couple of years. They've got some easy.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Jobs X twenty years.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
Yeah, they've got some easy jobs that they can send
at the Yankees for the last fifteen or so. I
like the Twins yea too. The lineup is very real.
Uh and they're a and it even.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Look please rotation too like Wood's Richardson's been good like
that was the biggest question mark.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yeah, yeah, I I don't know. I guess this deadline
we didn't see a lot of the Hey, i'll give
you this player, but you have to eat their money.
That maybe Minnesota would have been into things like that
because the prices were up this year. We talked about
the sellers market, and I think we saw that happen,

(24:47):
but Minnesota also had it feels like there was options,
Like even I know Max Kepler's been there forever, but
if that was your money out a Max Kepler bat,
I feel like could have got on a real return. Yeah,
And you have guys like I don't know, Dude Kepler, Larnak.

(25:07):
There there's always a Minnesota Moose Matt Walner Like, I
feel like lineup wise, I actually feel good with where
they're at that they they should have done more. Man,
it's a nice roster Kirolof, it's the other lefty that
I just they all blur together in Minnesota For me

(25:27):
that I don't know, it felt like there was more
there and that's tough. I really liked the line up
really Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
And what's funny is they could I think they could
still win the division just because the roster is really good.
And maybe that's their perspective is like they're like the
I think people that were a little overwhelmed at the Orioles, like, well,
you look at the roster, like where are you going
to improve, you know, And there's maybe a slight element
of that with the twins, But yeah, I'm sure there
are opportunities there and they just did not come into

(25:56):
a fruition.

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Speaker 2 (26:27):
Bang professional.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
That's all I know, man, that's who I am. What
how about this? Let's chock off some teams that we
just pretty much straight up don't want to talk about,
like the Colorado Rockies at the Nick Mehrors trade I unfortunately,
I can only bring so much to the table about that.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yeah. Uh, he has good pitch data, so probably not
good to trade him. Good job, Brewers, I guess they'll
it's Rockies Brewers, it's a release. I don't know. It
doesn't sound good.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
No, it should be a nightmare for Rockies fans in
a month or two because Nick miras well, it inevitably
will be his last nine innings. He struck out all
twenty seventy face and you're like, wow, Milwaukee, that's what
they do. God, I guess who else is like a
tweener Like, I mean, Oakland kind of wasn't a juicy deadline.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Right, No, they could have moved on from Miller Rooker
and they chose not to. They did trade. Uh, Lucas
is it is that how you say? And that is
I would say significant to some degree just because of
the amount of team control, which was part of the
discussion with you know, Miller in the first place. So, uh,
good job Royals there. But Oakland A's not a. It

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didn't change anything, you know.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Yeah, I guess Twins and A's were the last two
teams that everyone was like, Oh, They'm don't know anything.
Earth Tagg's interesting. Everybody, yeah, loves him. I don't know
if that's the story behind position player pitching Brett Phillips
to the Yankees, which I know you're gonna dive in
an hour two of this program.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Prospect people I know were underwhelmed by their SEG package.
How much value does he reliever have even with that
much time. It's a it's an interesting equation. It felt
like more could have happened there if he's good.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
How about how about the team he went to? The
Kansas City Royals. Uh oh, A little little headshake. Uh oh.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
I I don't love it, and I think I'm gonna
excuse it a little bit because among the teams that
are you know, potential buyers, they didn't have a lot
of prospect capital to choose from. So I like their
SEG trade, but there's not much here that that uh
you know, really changes the outlook for me. If they,

(28:52):
you know, make the playoffs and grab a wild card spot,
it'll be on the merit of the team that they
had in April, not necessarily any of the moves they
made it this deadline.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yeah. I there's a certain level of respect that I
want to give them because it feels like they're doing
like they're trying to win at Like, yeah, it feels
like they're doing things proper, Like, hey, we're gonna sign
a couple free agents to bolster our team. We're gonna
make a couple of trades to try to bolster our
team and hopefully we end up in a good spot.

(29:23):
I think it's just there's this weird thing in the
back of everyone's head that they're like, I don't think
the Royals are gonna end up in the playoffs, which
maybe they will, dude, because Bobby Witt is dumb good. Yes,
the two plays he made in the ninth inning to
help end their game the other day. To be doing

(29:44):
that at shortstop and be doing what he's doing offensively,
it's really unreal. And Vinnie Pascuentino's a friend, so I'm
a rod Who else do we care about Detroit? I
mean they go with a cell, but I don't don't
know Chafe and Flaherty like nothing, nothing needle moving either way?

Speaker 2 (30:05):
Right, Yeah, I just didn't care for this, you know.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
Yeah, I mean for a trade deadline where we saw
teams like you mentioned the Kokuchi trade and Trevor Rodgers
a couple of trades that you're like, Wow, there's some
there's some real parts moving. Hell, uh, I guess a
team we've been dancing around during the duration of this.
The Padres Uh the package for Tanner Scott that that

(30:33):
felt real was that more than they got for Rogers.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
More than they got for Rogers. Let me look at
what was the Rogers returning in Rogers?

Speaker 1 (30:44):
Was Norby and Stours?

Speaker 2 (30:47):
Yeah it was. No, that's definitely more, I would say.
But the Padres, well, I mean I've said this about
them before, but like probably is just a it's he's
a prospect machine. He's probably you know, he loses like
probably ninety percent of his trades in terms of dollars
per war. But you know, every now and then he

(31:07):
gets to get like Juan Soto or Fernano Tattoes Junior
or you know, something like that, and like everyone's like, oh,
they emptied the farm. No, they'll be back. The farm
will be back. And he, you know what he had
at least this trade deadline. He did, as you said,
draw the prospect line in the sand. You know, they're
he's not trading Ethan Solas, He's not trading. Here's a

(31:29):
good name, Leo Dallas, Devrees or Derize. That's a guy.
That's a guy to look out for. By the way,
he's like seventeen in a ball doing really good job.
But yeah, I actually the Padres actually really like the
deadline because if you just ascribed to the AJ Preller
is an infinite prospects machine, then they're fine. You know,
Like they gave up a lot of guys who are

(31:50):
all basically trending downward, like Robbie Snelling and Adam Mazer.
Those were guys they were really excited about in April.
But it's not April anymore. It's the last day of July,
and you know, the things can change for prospects and
the outlook very quickly.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Yeah, it was you know, Graham Paulie. I remember there
was talks he was gonna be their opening day third Basement,
and I was like, who's this guy?

Speaker 2 (32:11):
She like barely played in double A.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
Hey, can I ask you a question, why aren't we
doing All Star break prospect rankings? Updates? There are?

Speaker 2 (32:23):
The concept certainly exists. What I find is very often
there behind a paywall, which is why the average fan
goes to MLB pipeline and doesn't get the updated stuff,
and then it gives people the wrong idea.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
It's just insane to me. It's it's insane that at
the start of every year or the end of the season.
That's what we see when the one time people truly care,
like before the season. Sure, how's our how are prospects looking?
How many top one hundred do we got when the
trades are actually happening. I don't know. It feels like

(32:57):
this shouldn't be something I have to say.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
No, I agree with you, I will say. In the
defensive prospect evaluators up there, particularly public facing ones, it's
really hard. Yeah, because it's just constant information coming in
every single game, you know, and so much can change
for a prospects outlook over the course of even a
few weeks or a few months, and it's there's so
many of them it's hard to keep track.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
Leo Dallas Devrees, you know your guy.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
That's my guy.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
That's just an everyday update. Getting a little sad hearing
that you say Augustine Ramirez was the best prospect traded
and then seeing I think a numbers like I don't know,
I guess welcome to the life of a GM.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Yeah for sure.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Man, Jazz looks great though, just got another hit, Yeah,
hit jazz. Let me let me.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
I'd like to comment on jazz as well, like as
corny as it sounds like, and it's and as funny
as it is. That probably the fan base, which I
would say has the reputation for holding players accountable the most.
He just like it's it's quite he just needs someone
to believe in him. That's really what it was like.

(34:12):
Just I mean, coming up, he came through the Arizona system.
They traded him away for Zach Gallen Miami. There's just
and I don't want to criticize Miami too much because
you know, he did make the playoffs last year. It's
just a low energy organization and he's a high energy guy,
you know. And I just feel like he just needed someone,

(34:32):
some organization to believe in him. And I don't you know,
I hope it's the Yankees. But even early in the year,
like beyond that, stuff like he was exhibiting signs that
his true talent level had improved, even if he was
still being a league average hitter, because stuff like the
barrel rate and the chase rate and the contact rate,
we're all improving. And I think the Yankees capitalized on
that as much as the need for like an energy gi.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Yeah, we were again, I keep using the word morose
because it made me laugh. From the movie Knocked Up,
they do shrooms in a Vegas hotel room and they
talk about how the chairs are looking at them. It's
a really great scene. It didn't need to be in
the movie, but it was nice that it was. They
really let Paul Rudd and Seth Rogen cook for the Yankees.

(35:17):
It's funny. We did a whole discussion of like no
being being logical illogical fans like we want to wipe
out pitcher, whether that's a starter or reliever, and we
didn't get that. Jazz Chisholm does have the chance to
be Now double check me on this, but he has

(35:38):
a chance to be the most valuable piece that was
traded at this deadline. Like, if Jazz Chisholm is a
plus infielder outfielder for the next two and a half years,
that has an argument to be the most valuable player
traded for.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
I think that I think as an extremely true. I
think that is a definite possible because everyone everyone knows
like he's more you know, untapped potential if anything. And
I think that's why there's been some frustration with him
because uh, like I mean, it's it's so dumb to
go back on. Like people were mad he was on
the cover of MLB The Show. People are mad that
he has this. He has the same attitude that Soto

(36:17):
has the same level of cockiness. But people were mad
just because he didn't have Sodo's track record. Right, well,
what if he does? You know, what if that you
know that that could happen, Like what if he has
a nine to fifty ops for the rest of the
season in any Yankees uniform, or if he has two
great seasons after that, Like, you know what, we'll laugh
at the idea that jazz chism was ever considered overrated.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
Yeah, that's uh. The the MLB the Show stuff is
complete bs like, yeah, the you know, the I don't
know how the process goes, but I'm sure they inquire
with multiple guys a year and there's a price tag
on it. And yes, did it help him that his
name is Jazz? Probably? But I who cares. I I

(36:57):
wish my name was Jad, Like it wouldn't be Waking Jake,
it'd be Jazz and I don't.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
It'd probably be just a different brand.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Yeah, maybe it would help, Uh, maybe it'd hurt. But yeah,
he did the other thing that was just big light
bulb moment for me, cause again, it's how we appreciate
the sport in different teams. Like, Okay, in my head,
jazz Chism second basement. Fine jazz Chism goes to the outfield,

(37:28):
he says he's gonna win the gold Glove. Doesn't look
like that. Fine, uh, covering ground, making some highlight plays,
seeing jazz chishm play third base, and then being like, okay,
let me call time out. He's twenty six, he's hyper athletic.
He came up as a shortstop like a lot of
guys do. It's two games, but at third base he's

(37:50):
looked oddly comfortable. And when you just do the hey,
this guy was a slightly below average shortstop playing third base.
There's a lot of guys that have a track record
of that working out. Like I, maybe this is really dumb,
and I can regret these words, but like I feel
like I was looking at the Yankees' third baseman for
the next two and a half years.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Interesting. Yeah, I don't know if I would go that far.
Like there's potential to move around. I mean, Glabor's a
free agent after this year, right, so maybe second base
for him, and I want to contrast that too a
little bit, just because and I don't want to be
too critical, but like it's funny that like Jazz comes
in with this reputation of being, if anything, kind of
a selfish teammate, and there's a little bit of like that.
You'll remember, like that Mickey ROAs stuff. He was talking

(38:31):
about that like ruffled a few feathers. I know he's
your guy too, but yeah, like Glabor was there saying
I play second base, you know, like laying down the law.
This is my zone, and Jazz is like, all right,
I'm come over and play third base. He's never played
it before, right, He's never played it well.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
And I think it goes to everything you were talking about,
whether between energy or between you know, feel like showing
up and playing for the more Orlans feels very different
than showing up and playing for the Yankees.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Uh it does.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
I think I dropped. I think I dropped this last time.
And this is unrelated, but it's just a flex for me.
You know, Tyler Glass now at Cole Tucker's wedding, he
was it was in his trade period and you know
everyone's that's asking like, okay, this have have you heard it?
Blah blah blah, And I think someone hit him with like,

(39:24):
you know the Yankees call, you know, you've got those
beautiful those beautiful locks and tyler glass. Now without hesitation,
he was like that cut my hair. They're the Yankees, dude,
Like you're you're playing for the team that you always
heard was the team.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
I flipped through the Yankees. Uh like their uh you know,
dress code or whatever the other day and there's actually
they have no laws against tattoos in your bottom lip
that say no juice?

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Are you I would double check that. Uh okay, Yeah,
you know between the different the different Steinberner's, I think
different people have had different rules on that. Yeah, hey,
mark Leider Junior. That lettuce was flowing back there. I
don't know if that's gonna be a stern talking to
or not. I wonder if this.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
Morning something might have happened. Seen him yet go tee
was gone.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
But there's a lot of lettuce dripping out the back,
and no one cares. What people do care about? Bailey?
Are your two favorite teams the Atlanta Braves and the
Seattle Mariners?

Speaker 2 (40:28):
That's right?

Speaker 1 (40:30):
Are you? Is anyone happy with the Brave. I'm seeing
a lot of ho hum about the Braves.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
I'm feeling ho hum personally. And I'll tell you why
I'm feeling ho hum. Well, first of all, it's like
it's is Anthopolis? Is he is this? Is this? Is
he just a one hit wonder? Is he just like
a band album? Did he make one good album and
say we'll just make that same album over and over
and over again and and and yet at the same time,

(40:55):
there is a difference between how he handled trading for
so Laer this time versus last time. When he did
it last time, he was coming off of the it
was twenty twenty one, and he was like, here's some
guys who were good in twenty nineteen, Rosario and Jock
and Jorge Solaire who had not been good in twenty
twenty one first half, and he was banking on the

(41:15):
track record there and because of that, there was no investment.
These guys were unwanted. That's why the trade deadline worked.
They they acquired players they were essentially unwanted, one dimensional
sluggers who weren't slugging, you know. And what ended up
happening is those sluggers got hot and they won the
World Series. This is different because they've traded for so

(41:37):
Laire and they've basically traded for the rights to the
contract that the Giants just signed him to. That I
guess the Braves could have signed him too if they
really wanted to as well and didn't. The tricky thing
with it as is not the short term. I think
the short term it's great. I mean, so Lair, if
you saw them in the Braves lineup right now, I
think he has like the second highest on base percentage,

(41:58):
you know, like he beats lead off for them, as
he did in twenty twenty one. Like I'm not doubting
Jorge Seler's talents. It's the long term is weird because
I don't think they can have Ozuna and Acunya and
so Lair at the same time, right which would mean
trading Ozuna's final year, which I wouldn't hate, you know,
like that, because they're they'd be selling high. The return

(42:18):
would probably be really good. They could get, you know,
a chance to get a really good prospect or something
like that. But yeah, it was just weird. And then
that was basically the only thing they did. So it's
a team banking on the idea that they have a
good roster and they're gonna get Harris back, and if
they're gonna get Freed back, and eventual they're gonna get
Albies back. And uh, it was very much a trade deadline.

(42:38):
It's like, yeah, we're kind of resigned to a wildcard
spot and that's baseball in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
Yeah, like they you know, there there's beauty to it
that if the Braves make a run this year, that
that Nthopolis one hit that he keeps remixing, well, I
get it. Yeah, if they if they end up falling flat, obviously,
people are gonna point to Ronald's injury and strikes, injury
and whatever else happens along the way. But I don't know,

(43:05):
there's also gonna be a little bit of comedy there, like, really, dude,
you ran back the same thing with the same players.
Like that's I don't know. That feels like fans running
a team, which it would normally get scoffed at.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Yeah, they're good. There's gonna be a game where so
Layer and Duval and Rosario all play and it's just
I mean, is this is this nostalgia or is this
just or is this good in twenty twenty four. I
don't know. Yeah, I mean Solaire's good, so Laire's good,
right too.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
I guess for me, I'm I see both sides of
the argument, and there's part of me that really wants
it to work out because I just think there's something,
because there should be something to the concept of like, hey,
if our scouting and analytics liked player a thirteen months ago,
then we should still like that player's analytics. Just free

(44:00):
agency happened and the Giants offered him more money or
however it played out that in theory, this shouldn't be insane,
but feels insane.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
It feels well. And here's what I'll say. The Giants
were the team that confused me the most and that
I probably disliked the most. And I guess they would
be in the what was this and the Braves would
be in the move to the Mouse. But like just
I think this trade deadline exposed the Giants, who came
into the season with some expectations. I had expectations for sure,

(44:30):
especially after they grabbed Chapman and Snell. Late just directionless,
just utterly directionless, utterly rudderless. I just really hated it,
like they move off the Solair contract that it was okay, fine,
but it's like you just signed them to that, like
did you want them? You know, there was Blake Snell talk.

(44:52):
It didn't happen. That would have honestly made more sense
given the opt out situation there. You know, it just
feels like they were like they came into the regular
season and they were like, Okay, if all these things
hit right, if all these new acqusitions work, we're going
to be a playoff team. And then as soon as
league gets hurt, they were like, all right, it's over.
You know, like there's no there's no adjustment, there's no

(45:16):
you know, once, once there's any deviation from the perfect plan, directionless.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
You know, it's like big I don't want to say
big market Royals because at least you know, the Royals
are putting their chips on the table where the giants who.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Goes there, they're a little they're just there.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
That's the John boy himself. Oh okay, he's waving with
his Wow look at that meat hook. Nice wave. Oh
see that's for the YouTube only.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Sorry, Dan Patrick fans, you won't see that one.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
It it's just the timing of everything is really tough
for the Giants, where Snell finally comes back and pitches
a couple of good games, and there's Robbie Ray off
the IL one of their offseason acquisitions and five inning shutout.
But it's like, I don't know, man, you gotta read
the tea leaves just a little better. Because the Dinmonbacks

(46:13):
look good and they had some strategic ads that that
I liked. The Padres again, prospects aren't real. Let's let's
go all in, and that's before you get to the Dodger.
So in a way, I feel bad that. You know,
if the Giants were an NL Central team, I feel
like we'd be having different fun conversations. But where they're

(46:36):
currently at, they're it's just it's tough to even look
at the lineup on paper, Like I'm sorry, Giants fans,
I could I can very much talk myself into the pitching, Like,
if everything goes right, awesome this Giants lineup, I don't know.
The further and further away we get from Buster Posey

(46:56):
and Brandon Crawford finding sneaky MVP season, the more and
more it feels like their calculus is off from one
really good season.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Yeah, they they're like you said Royals, they're they're like
the bad Brewers. Okay, yeah, like like no superstar in
the lineup, but the Brewers make it work. Maybe. I
mean that's discounting what Yell is doing this year, but
just in general over the last few years, like lineup

(47:28):
of a bunch of hundred ops plus guys, you know,
good pitching, make it work, you know.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
And the Brewers I haven't haven't looked at their team
page in a little bit. Yeah, the starting pitching is funny.
I mean, does there does their deadline move anything for you?
It's it's Frankie mont It's Frankie Montas and Savali, which
I guess putting all the trade deadline names down on paper.
Of the starting pitching there, there's something there. And they

(47:56):
needed innings.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Yeah, that's what that's basically. I said it was cheap
and brewersy, but it was good. I liked it. It
was they got cheap innings. They needed cheap innings. You
know what else? What else is there to say?

Speaker 1 (48:10):
I mean that is the whole scouting report. Let's see.
As I as I peruse NL teams, I feel like
there's a couple big ones. As much as I love
my snakes like it's reliever ads and it's nice, but
they Josh Bell. Josh Bell is the emergency Walker replacement.
It was Timely felt like I moved the mouse if

(48:31):
I had to, had to label it, like, hey, we
added relievers, but we're we're banking on what we have here.
I mean, the Cubs made plus minus moves. I'd love
to get your thoughts on that. And then the Mets
in Cardinals, sneaky danced a bit that I'd like to
hear on those three.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Yeah, well, I'll say I'll hit dinebacks real quick. Didn't
like it, okay, Josh Bell Timely, it just felt like
they're in a precarious spot and they didn't do enough.
I think I think they may get passed up in
terms of this wild Card race in the last couple
of months. Here, Oh, who do you want me to
hit on? Cardinals?

Speaker 1 (49:10):
Cardinals and Mets?

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Cardinals and Mets? What I have here? On Cardinals? It
was the one trade, the big three way trade was
the was the impactful one, like getting fam and getting fetti.
They got fetti. Yeah that right, Yeah, okay, I'm sorry.
Hard to keep it.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
In that in that trade. A lot kind of got
lost in translation that Hey, if Fetti does what he
does this year and next year, he is one of
the most valuable players trading.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Yes, it is, because it's one year I think eight
and a half for him, and that's that's great, Like
that's I mean we in the last episode we compared
it to e Flyn, Right, if we said Fetti and
e Flyn are similar enough pitchers. One of them is
eighteen million next year, the other one's eight that's a
big difference. You can do a lot with that ten
million in the Cardinals position. So, yeah, it was it

(50:01):
was good enough. I guess it's somewhere between moved to
the mouse and moved to the needle because I was
kind of sad see Edmund go as well. Yeah, a
lot of people thought that the Cardinals won the three
way trade, like they got the best value and maybe
the Dodgers were second in the White Sox third. I
still kind of like it from the Dodgers' side more.
But Cardinals, you know, good enough, gave themselves a shot,

(50:23):
I better than Dinebacks.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
Yeah, I don't, I don't know. I I think value wise, Yeah,
because again Fetti for starting pitcher prices could have some
serious value the Snakes. For me, I guess in my head,
I was mentally locked in on them. I was mentally
locked in on them not doing a lot. So again,

(50:47):
I guess my scope there already changed that Corm Carroll
had an awful start. They're getting there, starting pitching back
the Josh Bell. I guess you can say a little
bit of a panic move also, just a little bit
of why not, Like, Hey, he's pay the money, he's owed,
he's there. If he could give us a month like
he did last trade deadline, why not? Yeah, Hey, Puck

(51:08):
is a reliever, all right, d back's Jake back Off.
Any Mets thoughts, Bailey Mets thoughts.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
You know what they did. It was like when you're
playing like a franchise mode on a video game, right,
and then there's like a screen that's like team needs
or something like that. They just went and like filled
it in and yeah, you know what I mean. Like, so,
I guess in that sense is a good deadline. They're like,
we needed a lefty bat. Here's Jesse Winker, we needed

(51:36):
a back end, started eat innings. Here's Paul Blackburn. All right,
done and dusted. Not very creative, but they checked the boxes.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
That's fine. Yeah, you're right, they got that notification. You
get silver points if you get two relievers. Yeah, gold
points if you could get Paul Blackburn when I said
Chad Innings eater before, h maybe maybe he hits that.
And hey, I guess I like the Winker deal when

(52:05):
as everything settled down for what that Mets lineup is
doing to people. If he can be Jesse Winker for
two months like pair, they're officially a borderline problem in
the National League.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Yeah, and I want to compliment them further too, because
they they made that those moves and they totally stuck
with the timeline, which is for them, the timeline is
twenty twenty four is kind of gravy like if they
if they make the playoffs this year, that wasn't necessarily
their expectation. They were They're really looking at twenty twenty
five and beyond. So they made those ads to, you know,
try to push them over the finish line and get

(52:42):
a wild card in twenty twenty four. But they didn't.
You know, it's like they traded away any of those
great prospects. They got the deadline last year when they
were selling you know.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
No they didn't compromise anything, and I I don't know,
there's just something to franchise vibes that there's horrible irony
that the Mets World's Series team of last year coming
into the season just had the anti sauce and then
the Mets team that was built to sell whether Manaia,

(53:12):
Sevy Alonzo, whoever you wanted. Here they are with as
as the deadline hits, probably the best offense for a
month in baseball. Uh And I mean enough pitching that
that bullpen's pretty hodgepodgy. But I don't know they added
they've added Mayton Braso, band Stanic, anyone else.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
That.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
Yeah, they they went for it in the lightest way
possible they.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Did and also camped them real quick. Padre's kind of
going through the same thing. Like they're also a little
bit post hype having some success. Now. I'd put them
as needle mover. We talked about them earlier. But the
thing that that moved the needle for me on the
Padres is just like, like if they make the playoffs,
they're just gonna have They're just gonna be stacked on
the bullpen. Man, it's gonna be unbelievable. Like the guys

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that can roll out six, seventh, eight ninth. You know,
so they just if they're in that position, like they're
gonna be scary in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Yeah, I feel like it's become a bad click around
articles or like or oh like after the first round
of the postseason, they'll be like re ranking the postseason
teams or March madness. They'll go like, you know, the
now that we're down to thirty two, re ranking the
thirty it's like Saint Peter's is at twenty six m

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you know, something like that coming into the post. If
the San Diego Padres make the postseason, that's a messed
up team to play. Dude, that's a lineup with stars pitchers,
with gross stuff at every level. That man, if the
if the Preller the Preller Ways ever came to Fruition,

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seeing the copycat Prellers that would follow, it'd be kind
of electric for the sport.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
It would be electric. And I will point out, like
another reason why the Padres could be hashtag built for
October is their weakness right now is the back end
of the rotation. But that doesn't matter as much in
the playoffs. Just chuck chuck. Number five in the bullpen
and let your top guys cook.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Yeah, we're cooking. Uh, who else really needs to be hit? Bailey?
I feel like the Boston Red Sox Houston Astros are
a couple of the big teams. The Astros really only
Kaku keet is there a bullpen body?

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Our guy? Uh? Yankees legend? Oh Caleb fergus caleeb Ferguson
ended up there and then Boston. I don't know if
the Mets are their comp for expectations heading into the season,
but it felt like they they also checked some soft
ad boxes that they're they're banking on their timeline.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
Yeah they are. I actually disliked the Red Sox okay,
straight deadlight more so than the Mets. I feel like
the Mets went for it more. I feel like they
had more concrete moves to improve the team. I know
Red Sox needs some bullpen help, and they got the
bullpen help, but again, it felt very much like we're
banking on the timeline here, and I'm not also coming
it from the perspective of like I said about the Pirates,

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you won't you know tomorrow is never granted. You don't know,
You just don't know if you've got a shot at it, Like,
let's give it a good, honest shot.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
Yeah, I I see both sides of it. And maybe
this is just a Yankee fan just praying that Boston.
Boston's a weird mental exercise for me, because their offensive
numbers are pretty damn good, and they've been missing a
lot of the guys that are supposed to be good
for them. The rotation that was supposed to be a

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laughing stock of sorts has been electric, and it's like,
you know right now, it's they They added Paxton, which
was like a free bonus piece that I know some
Atlanta fans and other teams were eyeing as like, ooh,
James Paxton, but I don't know, like how Capaveta cut
her cross and Beo's the guy that I think you

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want to leave him in there just to find out
if he can be the Brian Bayo we've heard about
that the bullpen was the need and they added a
couple of potties back there that like, I I get
it from their front.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Yeah, I guess I'm a little bit more skeptical than
you on it. I mean, Dave Danny Jansen's a nice ad.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
I'll get him that Danny Jansen. I realize every team
has these guys and the stats don't always back it up.
But when Danny Jansen sees the pinstripes, he he transforms.
He's no longer Danny Janssen. It it feels like, it
feels like well, and he's probably one of your gut
idols now. But pammelhorse Steve, like that's that's Danny Jansen,

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nurse the Yankees.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Pammeilhorse Steve is very important for representation. You know, when
when children and almost twenty nine year old men watch
the Olympics, it's important to see yourself represented.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
I mean that was I get. I get all of it,
and there is something beautiful to it. Uh, the fact
that our society is just like, oh, look at this.
This guy looks kind of nerdy, but he's gonna contribute
right at the end. Yes, we love it's funny.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
I don't I don't want to get us too off
kilter here, but it's so funny because like, watching the
men's all round was like, uh oh, look at these
fun scrappy underdogs, and then watching the women's All around
was like, look at this fucking absolute tank of a
team that no one can even come close to be
it's the same country.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
Yeah, the US men can get the bronze if if
the women blow this.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Right.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Yeah, I don't know. I had some I have to
check in on my father time takes here and there,
because there's there's a couple of bronze medals for the
USA that I was like, I don't know. I get
that we're obnoxious and bad a lot, but it's a metal. Yeah,
there's it's two above it.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
But bronze is like, but silver sucks. Winning Bronze is awesome.
Bronze is like a survival. We still got a medal.
Silver's like oh if we were just Every silver medalist
is just like crying at the end, like oh I
blew it, And every bronze medalist is like whoa.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
I will say it's been tough for me to watch
the swimming stuff because that just gets separated by like
the final tap, and I'm like, I would I would
kill myself. Here we go. Uh, if if I spent
my life living in a pool, I'm not a strong swimmer.
But if I spent my life swimming in a pool,
I'm doing these days where I'm just swimming laps for sixteen, eighteen,

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twenty years and I lose the Olympic gold medal because
that just can't be be It's the gold medal, Like,
that's I get if you have a medal, that's insane.
It's still top three whatever. We just did this, the
gold medal. No one can ever say anything. Everyone could
beats in this event. I got the gold medal and
I look back, get a replay and it's like, oh

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yeah that yeah, that final stroke point seven to two,
two point seventy four. I shouldn't say I would kill myself.
I would just be very very sad. Yeah, exactly, Okay,
and that's the trade deadline. Any other teams that you
that really stand out for you. I feel bad because

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there's gonna be a couple organizations that are like I
tuned into this. I guess Phillies deserves a little more mentioning.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Yeah, I can cut, we can kind of speed run
the attle.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
You go wherever your heart desires.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Bailey, I'm gonna say Phillies moved the needle. I think
I would compet. I would say it was kind of
like the Orioles one, like good team made the ads
that make sense right?

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
You like their bullpen out, bullpen in moves.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
I actually did. I actually did like it. I'm gonna
you know what, I'm gonna say something nice here real quick, Angels.
I thought the Estevus return was really nice. Speaking of
the Phillies, I thought they did a really good job
on that. They got two prospects with helium, which is
a term we learned last time I was on here,
and I think that was a nice sort of sneaky
move for them. We'll see how it works out. Teams

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I didn't really like. I mean, I would say the
Red Sox are or not Red Sox, excuse me, the
the Cubs were? What was this for me? We talked
a little bit about it. The Parades for morel trade
is gonna be so fun to look back at a
year from now because who knows what direction that could go.
I mean, that's that's, you know, two very different types
of players who you know, theoretically play the same position

(01:01:32):
in our similar age, So that one's gonna be fun. Cubs,
I don't know, man, I like it's not that it's
nothing matters, but I hated the Astros Blue Jays trade
on the for the Astros perspective, like that was like,
that's so much to give up for the end of
you say, Kakucci's contract, Like, I'm sorry, and I like

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Kikuchi a lot, but that's just like that's insane, Like
you gotta get Flairty or someone like that if that's
the return.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Right, that's interesting in hindsight.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Yeah, and actually had had some quick thoughts on that
as well from the Tiger's perspective, which was that they
don't need any more players like Will Wagner or Joey
low Perfito because their team is pretty much comprised of
them already. But I mean still, Jake Jake Blosses seems
like a really good pitcher, Like like there's a chance
that Jake bloss is gonna pitch better than you, say,
Kakuchi over the next two months, right, and then they'll

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have them for six more years.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
Yeah, that was very interested to see it. Every season
has ended up with same old astros, so it's almost
one of those like, hey, I we could if you
say Kakuchi has been a two e R guy and
he's striking out double digit guy's a start, It's like, Okay,

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that's Houston one year. Everything's not gonna happen for them.
And I don't know. This year still has in like
that they've caught the Mariners, but they haven't actually passed
the Mariners. That was a head tilt for me this morning,
like because they were on such a quick climb that
it was like, Okay, Houston's gonna be ahead by three
games now. Yeah, their chips are all in and.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
It's there they are, And I feel like the and
I mean, and we may talked about this for a while,
like the competitive window is really it's coming to a close,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
I mean a couple Verlanders, Lander, Old Bregman final year probably,
I don't know. Every time I say that'll Kyle Tucker
will be back and.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
They need to get him extended like asap if they
want any chance to be competitive Yankee few.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
Years, Yankees will be down in the series three to one,
and I'll just I'll be sad watching Olympic swimming replays
wishing I was in that pool. Yeah, Angels, I just
want them to trade more guys. I feel like I
I think if I'm sorry, if you have I feel
like they did a lot of stuff and was it

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needle moving? Did you like any of it?

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
I'm gonna say, I'm actually gonna put it under what
was this? Like, I get the level of excitement for
Rose Reina, and maybe there is something you said. They're
similar to Jazz about getting like an energy guy, but like, uh,
he just had Rose Reina hadn't been that great this year,
you know. And And the funny thing that like the
Mariners have been trying to do is you'll remember is

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the constant, uh oh, we strike out too much. Let's
get some contact hare so we don't strike out too much. Oops,
we still lead the league in strikeouts, and now we
don't hit any home runs and a rose Areraina still
strikes out a lot. So it's it's kind of funny there. Yeah,
I don't know. I'm not totally in love with it.
I'm not totally in love with uh you know. I
mean I get it you need when you need bullpen help,

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but I'm not totally in love with them trading Jonathan
Class for Jimmy Garcia, and I thought that was another
case where the Blue Jays did well, and that's why
I have them towards that top tier.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
Yeah, I uh yeah, It's it's always funny reading the
scouting stuff that they were like Class A eighty speed
with an actual pop two that if anything clicks like that,
that one can bite you. Yeah. Uh, let's see. Is
I do a final perusal Bailey of teams that I
need to hear about Cincinnatio Rangers.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
Rangers are definitely a nothing matters that is that they're
quintessential nothing matters.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
And I think Chafin and Bochi meant for each other though,
so maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
Something I will say BBD. I'm saying the White Sox
could have done better and that they they you know,
not just in terms of like their decisions of who
to sell and not sell, because I think some people
are like, oh what are they doing? They should have
traded Crochet, they should have traded Louise Robert, Okay with
that if they don't do that, but the guys, I
think they should have gotten more. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
Was torn on I was thinking about them just because
like they traded everyone that like had to go.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
I think they did.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
They did, they did their minimum as far as moving
off them.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Use yeah, but just I feel like in terms of
when they did that, the returns could have been better.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
Prospect he was Yeah, I you know, the thing for
me that we do. We laugh at prospects and we
say update rankings and blah blah blah, and hey, this
guy's from Harvard and his stuff ticked up. Rais. Yeah,
there's a quantity aspect to prospects that just needs to
be just needs to be factored in. And the fact

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that the White Sox were sitting there with X amount
of prospects that came back and the Rays are sitting
there with X amount of prospects that came back. Like
who do you believe in? Which front office do you
like more? Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
That?

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
Yeah, for what was on the table, I'm very much
with you on Crochet and Robert. I would love to
know the obviously, anyone would love to know the offers
out there. Crochet never made sense to me, and I'm
glad I leaned into it a little bit just because
the value prop is off. He's it's thrown way more
innings than he's ever thrown coming off of being hurt,

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so that I had him not being able to be
traded because teams being like, I don't know what to
do with this guy for the back half of this year,
and then when he came out and laid his demands,
it's like, no chance, it's just isn't happening. And then Robert,
you know, I I really would have liked to see
what the nuclear teams actually throughout there, because it's not

(01:07:24):
Eloy level. It's not close to eloy level, because lou
Bob can still go get it and has hit enough
this year, but there's also injury stuff. And it's also
that those twenty million dollar team options can look super
friendly if he's last year's least Robert, they can also
look daunting if you're not sure what you're gonna get. Yeah,
I think so, Like we talked about this with Robert

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versus Rooker a little bit, you know, just the idea
that those guys each have I want to say three
and a half after this and or you know, like
if we're counting this year as the half, and it's like, well,
the rookie years are gonna be cheaper and the Robert years.
It's a team friendly deal overall, but twenty million is
not nothing, you know, right, I mean, you're taking it,

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but the question is like are you ecstatic to take it?
Are you like?

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
We gotta take it. We gotta see what he's got,
because you know, even though he got injured last year.
We just got to put him out there and hope
he can do his thing.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
Yeah, I would have, because the Oriols and White Sox
were talking. I'm sure sure Luis Robert was on the table.
You wonder if that ever got in either team's realm,
because if you're willing to play pay for Zach Eflin
for eighteen mil next year, I don't know. It's it's
a very interesting game, especially between the Oriols new ownership

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and you know, playing out of the park baseball like
we normally do. Bailey, if there's any teams that you
feel like need to get shuffled or mentioned, I have
four teams that I haven't.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
Played anywhere yet and official objections to where guys are
right now. Red's Twins, A's Nationals haven't placed anywhere yet.

Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
Twins. I don't know if we're giving them credit for
Like that's just an ownership level problem, Like if we
were GMS, we couldn't have done better the same.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
Yeah, decisions, I think. But I liked it. I'll start.
I liked the Nationals. I liked it. You could you
could just call it a mouse mover. They did stuff
that makes sense. I liked who they got in return overall,
like in the Lane Thomas deal, like getting I think
Klemy and Rothfield, Ameriz Junior and Jose Tange like those
guys have all flashed at times. And Clemy was I

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think their second round last year for Cleveland, and they
everyone liked the It wasn't tangly trade deadline, but everyone
liked the Oh you guys got a draft pick and
a prospect for Hunter Harvey. I think they did a
good job even though it wasn't you know, they didn't
have a ton to potentially sell like they did, you know,
like last year when they had Candelario for example. You know,

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they didn't get to do the same with Nick Senzel
this year because that one didn't quite work out. But
I thought they did a good job.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
Okay, yeah, I'm in on the Nats who alter twins.
Put them twins nothing, It does not matter.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
Get something matters, Red's A's I need to play somewhere,
and I'd love to hear thoughts on where the Royals
should land.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
We can put A's under could have done better, I think,
And that's not like I like that is the one,
maybe even more so than the White Sox where I
could be like, should you. I mean, by deadline day
they weren't gonna trade Mason Miller because he's hurt, you know.
But I just wondered about a Rooker deal because I

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feel like there could have been serious return there and
maybe that was the time. I don't know. I love Rooker,
though I'm you know, maybe it's not such a bad thing.
Maybe that's too harsh, but just to fill out the tierless,
let's put him at the bottom there, just because they
could have gotten a lot of prospect capital and really
turned things around, and they didn't, and I felt like
they just waited too long.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
They did a lot grouping at the bottom. That's that's
how it feels like a tiers.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
The best organizations in baseball right there. Reds need a home, Pirates, Royals.
I was in between Red Red's nothing matters at.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
Least a little bit. See if Frankie they were actually.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
Got We've got Royals on there, roy Royals. I have
in a spot. I could argue they moved the mask
because they did stuff. It'll help. I don't know with
the Royals where they're at.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
Hates their their trades, so it's the problem.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
I hate. I hate their trades. I hate their city,
and I also kind of like the Roster barbecue.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
We'll just do you get hate from any cities or
fan bases. No, right, you're you're pretty generally well liked
Blue Jays.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Yeah. I know y'all counter the same thing. But at
least we're getting at least we're we're getting credit where
credits to because they did have a nice trade playing
this time around.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
Top of the heap. I kf ol you say out,
Uh Bailey, I thank you. Uh in a way, this
was a tearless in a way, this was just chopping ball.
Which that's yeah, that's what I'm about. Everyone go follow
foolish Bailey on every platform, uh, YouTube, Twitter, insta X

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to any other websites Brinster, Ulster, Microsoft Office.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
Uh huh, farmers only dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
Yeah, you do do well there. Uh Bailey, thank you.
We'll talk to you again. Uh. Probably a topical one
August is when uh some of the fan bases start
to tune out a little bit. But we'll figure that
out another time. Uh. For now, BBD, tell him tell
him what Uncle Dan says.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
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