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June 21, 2024 41 mins

Dan Patrick gives his thoughts on how the Baseball Hall of Fame should be viewing players from the Steroid Era. Dan discusses the significance of the Negro Leagues and their role in MLB's history after the special game between the Giants and Cardinals at Rickwood Field on Wednesday night.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's our two on this Meet Friday, Dan and the
dan ET's Dan Patrick Show. Glad to have you on board.
Stay as long as you like. Operator Tyler standing by
actually sitting by to take your phone calls. We have
a poll question. You got a stat of the day
coming up.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
If you're watching on Peacock or just listening on our
radio affiliates around the country, It's a meat Friday. We
have steak fajitas, we have chicken fajitas. Who has it
better than we do?

Speaker 3 (00:29):
No buddy, No buddy, no buddy.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
I was watching some Olympic coverage last night with the swimming,
just watching Katie Ladecki swim, and it seems like an
optical illusion that somebody could be that far ahead of
the second best swimmer in that event in the entire country.
And I think she owns like the top twenty four
all time records for that event, the fifteen hundred. And

(00:58):
you're just watching, You're going she she's lapping the field.
These are the best swimmers in the world, our best
swimmers in the United States. And then the person who
comes in second, they're thrilled that they came in second
because they're going to the Olympics. But still you're like, uh,
Katie to lea. Jackie finishes, and she puts on her
street clothes and she has some lunch, and then the

(01:21):
second place finisher finishes.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Truly remarkable in that event. Yes, Paul, she won a
race by twenty seconds.

Speaker 4 (01:30):
They're showing her finish and then the announcers have to
calm down and then re up and say and then
then second place. Yes, she has the nineteen fastest times
in history. They showed her her world record one the
other day. She gets done, and she has to stay
in the pool because you're not allowed to leave the
pool until the event's over. So she's just like looking
around for people to wait.

Speaker 5 (01:50):
Twenty seconds.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yes, I mean that's an eternity.

Speaker 5 (01:55):
We haven't even been talking about it for twenty seconds. Yes,
then that's how long she's one by.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Poll question for well, the poll questions for hour one,
and then we'll turn our attention to something different, perhaps
an hour two.

Speaker 5 (02:07):
See, holy crap, it's unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Yes, it is. Who will last.

Speaker 5 (02:12):
Longer with the Lakers, Lebron James or JJ Redick, JJ
is now up to sixty seven percent of that vote.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Well done, lad, Okay.

Speaker 5 (02:18):
Unfortunately for JJ, who will have a better first season
Jj Redick and the Lakers or Doug Gottlieb and his
new assignment. Doug Gottlieb now has jumped out to a
pretty sizable lead here at fifty six percent.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Of the vote.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
I'm going to take JJ Reddick there. I think he'll
have a better year than Doug. Doug Gottlieb at Wisconsin
Green Bay Stevens point.

Speaker 5 (02:41):
People saying the Horizon League is no Western Conference, which, okay,
it's easy there.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Is there a joker in the Horizon League that Doug's
gonna have to coach against?

Speaker 6 (02:55):
There?

Speaker 2 (02:56):
All right, we'll get phone calls coming up.

Speaker 4 (02:59):
Yes, Mark uh, Oakland is in the Horizon League. Oh,
the team from Michigan.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yeah, well but they lost their twenty five year old
four Maybe a waiver he's done?

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yes, Maarton is.

Speaker 7 (03:13):
Larry Blurd in the Horizon League? Is Indiana State in
the Horizon Missouri Valley?

Speaker 2 (03:18):
And I know I think he transferred. He was in
the transfer portal, wasn't it. Oh let's take yeah, yeah,
I had the goggles. I think he I think he
was in the transfer portal.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
Kareem abdul Jabbar, Kaream what those are great nicknames for him?

Speaker 8 (03:33):
All right?

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Uh so do we have a poll question for hour
two seat count?

Speaker 3 (03:36):
Those are?

Speaker 5 (03:37):
Those are truly great nicknames, Kareem abdul Jabbar.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
That I love that one.

Speaker 5 (03:44):
You can't nicknames though, do have to be assigned to you, right?

Speaker 9 (03:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Keith van Horn rims Horn, rim Glass, Yeah, Okay, Okay, Okay, Friday,
I'll give you a blop. Thank you. Yeah, I like
you started to push it a little bit.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
I have to reintroduce people to Keith van Horn. He
was the next Larry Bird.

Speaker 5 (04:02):
Our audiences they do, oh yeah, I don't think we
have to worry about skewing it towards the younger. Okay,
I think they're okay, all we have a mature audience.
It's mature, not an older audience, a mature experience. By
the way, the Lakers did hire JJ Reddick. It's a
four year deal.

Speaker 10 (04:21):
Now.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
I don't know where you start off with your negotiations,
because you know what Dan Hurley was offered, and JJ
Reddicks probably thinking, Okay, I have a ton more NBA
experience than he did, but he's won a couple of
titles in college.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
I played at Duke with coach K.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Now, do you go in there and say, I want
Dan Hurley money because he got four years I think
eight million dollars. Where's Hurley got a longer deal with
more money? And I don't know if it matters, because
if I'm JJ Reddick, I'd rather say, hey, that's a
great salary. Now I want to free up money for
my assistant. And if you're able to get those players

(05:02):
like that, that really can be a big difference maker.
Where you have a new coach and then you surround
him with those who have coached before. It happens in
college football. Happened with Dionne at Colorado that he surrounded
himself with men who had been head coaches before or
high end assistant coaches. And I think that's really the

(05:23):
important part of this is who is the coach? How
much experience does he have. When Phil Jackson took over
the Bulls, he had only coached in the CBA and
then all of a sudden text winner. I mean, he
had some older coaches, experienced coaches who were there to
help him out. You know, find me a coach and
then show me what his supporting staff looks like, and

(05:45):
then you could probably say if he's going to be
successful or not. And a lot of times, you know,
you go on the cheap with these assistant coaches. I mean,
look at what the Clippers are doing, so they paid Tyloo.
Now that you just brought in Jeff Van Gundy added
him to the roster as an assistant coach. I think
that's a great hire. Comes from the Celtics. Sam Cassell
was with the Celtics now going to the Lakers. Scotty Brooks,

(06:06):
former coach with Portland now coming in, Jared Dudley on
the MAVs staff coming in, Like, those are really really
important hires there, and I wouldn't worry about, Hey, that
guy could take my job one day, because if you're
Jj Reddick, if we win, you win. If we lose,
you lose, and then there will be somebody in there.

(06:28):
But these guys might get other jobs if you win,
just like what happened with Boston, Okay, Sam Cassell got
the job with the Lakers.

Speaker 7 (06:36):
Yes, Mark, it could be like a Tom Thibodau when
he's with the Celtics and O eight he was like
almost like their defensive coordinator. Yeah, and you do a
great job there, Boom, you get a job with the Bulls,
and then the Tea Wolves and then the Knicks, and
you have a career as a head coach.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
I would rather share the win because that ensures that
we continue to do this. By the way, the Lakers
are plus three thousand to win the NBA title. They
have the same odds as the Warriors and the Phoenix Suns.
All right, we'll get to more phone calls here. I
was watching not only the Olympic Trials with the swimming
Rowdy Gaines.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Dan Hicks do a wonderful job with that.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
I was also watching the baseball last night, and you know,
it was an emotional moment. Willie Mays got his tribute
on Fox. The game at Rickwood Field in Birmingham, Alabama.
That's where Willie Mays made his debut. And you had
Fox there, you had you know Jeter, and you had
a Rod big Poppy were there. Willy Mays just passed away,

(07:32):
and you know, you're bringing new eyes, new ears to
an event, perhaps so they can find out about who
this player was, why he's so great. And then you
had Barry Bonds, who was there. And Barry Bonds is
the godson of Willie Mays. Now, Barry doesn't do much.
I don't think he wants to be a baseball analyst.
But Barry Bonds is still one of the brighter baseball

(07:55):
minds that I've ever spoken to. He once said to me,
because I knew, I mean, he's a student of the game.
He's a very very bright baseball person. And I said,
how much information do you share with the younger players
on the team. He goes none. I go why not?
He goes, well, they could be my opponent next year.

(08:16):
And I was floored that he wouldn't share that information
with his own teammate because they may not be a
teammate the following year. So Barry's there and they do
an interview with him, and I started to wonder about
this whole new generation comes in. They may look at
steroids differently. Like we've moved on from steroids, we don't

(08:39):
talk about it. I still think they're players cheating in
baseball now, I mean it's more sophisticated. But are we
going to get to the point where we look at
Roger Clemens, a Rod Bonds and just say you know what.
That was part of the time, part of the era.
You know, everybody was doing it, and it feels like
there could be a whitewash with that. We're gonna we're

(09:02):
gonna rewrite history. We're gonna cleanse baseball because that's what
the commissioner wants to do. Let's get out of that
steroid stuff here. You know, we want to showcase our talent.
Nobody's cheating anymore. Everything's great. Look at all these broadcast
partners we have. Because you got a Rod who is
front and center as the analyst for the Mothership and
also for Fox. He got caught twice. He shouldn't be

(09:25):
anywhere near Major League Baseball. He should not be the
person you go, and we're gonna trot him out. And
I couldn't help but wonder what Derek Jeter thinks sitting
next to a Rod, and maybe sitting next to Bonds
and Big Poppy was under suspicion as well. And here's Jeter,
who was never under suspicion, probably looking at these guys, going,
you gotta be kidding me, Nick, this is this is

(09:48):
baseball's pregame show.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
Right here.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
A Rod, a Rod threatening to sue baseball got twice.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
I just have a weird feeling. And look, this really
comes back. And I've said this before. It's about you,
the fan. If you want to go to Cooperstown, and
I encourage you to, it's a wonderful place to go,
and you don't care if there's steroid plaques there, then okay.
I mean I can say, hey, I wouldn't do it,

(10:22):
but if you do it, put the history there on
the plaque. I mean, there's bad things in museums all
over the world. Now artist or what is depicted. There's
a lot of things that are questionable. But this is
our pastime and we can't do that. We shouldn't do that,
but it feels like we're going to do that. And

(10:43):
it is a museum, it's the baseball museum. Doesn't mean
you have to like it, but we should learn. I'm
afraid that we're going to try to move on from
this and then we won't remember what this was like.
And yes, did everybody benefit? They did. Did people look
the other way, yes they did. Did owners look the

(11:03):
other way, yes they did? Did managers look the other way?
Did players not really care about the integrity of the game. Absolutely,
But I'm watching this and you know, one day somebody's
going to go, hey, Alex Rodriguez got caught twice, which
I've said, if you get caught twice, you should never
be around the game. You know, you want to ban
Pete Rose. I'm going to ban you for you know,

(11:25):
cheating the game twice. But it feels like we might go, yeah,
but still, he hit X number of home runs, X
number hits. He was this, he was you know, wait,
I think we're going to get to that point. We're
going to do this with Bonds, We'll do it with Clemmens.
As long as you just tell the history of the sport.

(11:45):
I don't want to whitewash history. I don't want to
rewrite history. If you want to do it, you want
to showcase a Rod. A Rod probably thinks being the
face of baseball, he's going to get into the Hall
of Fame. He hasn't been benefited, I don't think with voting.
But it feels like the new generation of baseball writer
and maybe fan, maybe you're like, oh, come on, old man,

(12:09):
what's the big deal.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
So what if they cheated? Well, if you're going to.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Do that, then let's restore what Lance Armstrong did in
the Tour de France, Like do we pick and choose?

Speaker 3 (12:19):
How we do this?

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Somebody tests positive cheated the game. I mean the amount
of money, and this was passed on to you to pay.
But the amount of money the steroid guys got paid,
I mean Bonds wasn't getting paid. A lot of money
went to the Giants all of a sudden. You know,
he had the Fountain of Youth. He's making twenty million
dollars a year. He probably made one hundred and sixty

(12:40):
million dollars after he got to the Giants, maybe more,
you know. But McGuire benefited, so sub benefited. Now I'm
talking financially. McGuire's not getting into the Hall of Fame, Sam,
He's not getting into the Hall of fame. But I
don't know if Rafael pal merril, I don't know if
we get to that point where we go, oh, come on,
it's not the end of the world. So what they cheated,

(13:01):
we were entertained by it. Okay, it's back to you.
I'll put the onus on you, the fan. You want
to go see you want to that's the game you
want to follow, Then fine, I can only tell you
just because I'm old school.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
I'm old and old school. I can't do it. I
can't do it.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
I was really involved in the Roger Clemens situation, really involved,
and I knew a lot of information, and you know, I,
I just I can't do it because I wanted to
know what I'm looking at and making sure it's real.
And I always go back to and look, maybe I'm

(13:41):
a Hallmark geting card kind of guy. Hank Aaron, Hank
Aaron my favorite ballplayer. He didn't cheat, and look at
those numbers he put up. And it broke my heart
when Barry Bonds broke Hank's all time home run record
and he had to sit there and eat it. It
was horrible, felt terrible, but you know that's baseball, baseball

(14:05):
in that era. But I just I can't let it.
And I'm watching it in real time last night, and
I'm just going we are going to move past it.
Maybe Veterans Committee down the road will bring those guys in,
maybe maybe you'll get a whole different thought process. But
it comes back to, now, do I want to go

(14:26):
to Cooperstown if those guys are in there, Yes, I
would still go because it's the history of the sport.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
Yeah, Mark, are you.

Speaker 7 (14:34):
More disappointed in someone like Bonds? Because he was so
naturally gifted and he was already an MVP caliber player
before he decided to start juicing.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Well, he probably would have been a Hall of Famer,
you know if he didn't go to the Giants. I mean,
he was unbelievable. But here's the thing. He saw who
was getting all the attention. And I was told this firsthand.
He was like, you got to be kidding me. Bonds
and Sosa are uh McGuire and Sosa are getting all

(15:05):
this publicity and basically said, oh, you want to see
what you can do? You want to see what I
can do with this? And we saw what he could do.
He made a mockery of it. But I don't know
as we move forward if people care as much. You know,

(15:25):
people covered this, and yes, I didn't know what was
going on.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
I mean, I it's weird.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
You don't want to think negative like you you you
want to be a fan, but then my job is
not to be a fan. My job is to go Okay,
does that make sense there? I was friends with Jason
Giombi friends with Mark McGuire. They're using right, in front
of me, you know, And that's that's tough. And I

(15:54):
caution young journalists broadcasters, be careful who you get close
to because you still to cover them. And I made
a mistake with that. And would I've done it differently?
I would have, But I just I don't know. You
want to see this isn't WWE You're watching baseball, you
want it to be real. I'm watching the NBA or golf,

(16:17):
and there's cheaters in those sports too, getting an advantage,
the amount of money when you get an advance.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
I get all of that.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
And yes, I am a naive with this, and I
do want to believe in the good of the game
and who I'm seeing and who I'm watching. And you
think of Jackie Robinson, or you think of Willie Mace,
you think of Mickey Manton. Like those guys played the
Sandy Kofax. They played the game the right way. And
who do we showcase in some of these situating You know,
A rod is the guy we're showcasing there? You know,

(16:48):
doesn't make sense, But then I might be in the minority.

Speaker 4 (16:52):
Yeah, Paul, it's a great point because if you imagine
you're twenty years old watching that broadcast last night and
all of a sudden, let's bring in the all time
home run King.

Speaker 9 (17:00):
Barry.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
Bond's in the whole set. Treats him like a champion,
and it's a casual conversation. You know, big poppies on
the set as well, and there's smoke around him with
the Mitchell thing years and years ago, and it's fascinating that,
you know, it's it's cooling off every year. And if
Bond starts doing more media, which I don't think he
would do, probably not, it could it could help that situation.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Yeah, well, I don't think him being a nice guy
makes me go, you know what, I'm gonna forgive him
for the steroids, like Lance Armstrong, is it not a
good guy? I don't forgive him, but I certainly understand
everybody was cheating in the Tour de France.

Speaker 5 (17:36):
Yeah, but Baseball's one of baseball's big problems is that
you're like, hey, how do we deal with the You're
asking a bunch of you know, guys on amphetamines to
figure out how we deal with the steroid guys.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah, well, and that has been the dilemma if you
want to, But you know, I can't say everybody was
on amphetamines speed, But as far as hitting a home run,
the numbers.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
Steroids help people hit home.

Speaker 5 (18:05):
Runs, and I'm sure that amphetamines help people get up
on a long road stretch.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
That is true.

Speaker 5 (18:09):
So absolutely they all were performance enhancing. How do you
manage one and not the other.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Well, I could probably look at the guys who are
using steroids saying they were probably mphetamines as well, so
they did, you know, probably double dipped. Yeah, try to
get up play all these games, but you're also using
steroids or performance enhancing drugs.

Speaker 5 (18:28):
Yeah, let unletted coffee. It's in the uh in the clubhouse.
I don't know. I'm guessing there are a lot of
dudes who are sipping from one pot or the other.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Yeah, that weren't bulked up. Yeah, it's tricky. Baseball has
a tricky history. I just don't want to whitewash it.
I don't want to just say, hey, we're going to
rewrite that that never happened. All right, let me take
a break back after this.

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Speaker 2 (19:34):
More phone calls coming up. Hello, Hello, yeah, yes, popcorn?
Uh No, I went outside. I think I swallowed a bug.
I went out to you know, I'm head of quality
control here on the triggers. I think I swallowed a bug.

Speaker 5 (19:52):
Oh, dang, it is Friday.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
Wait, it just dawn on you. That's Meet Friday.

Speaker 5 (19:58):
It's kind of re Yeah, nobody, No, we're doing that
earlier today.

Speaker 9 (20:05):
Yes, what teak and chicken fita? No.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
Yes, it's going to be in the mid nineties and
humid this weekend, which is not that common up here,
are you guys? How do you guys handle extreme heat?
You you like it?

Speaker 3 (20:20):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (20:22):
Like just living, like going outside, dealing with it or better.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
Where are we going with this?

Speaker 5 (20:27):
It's terrible. Being hot's terrible, like it's the worst. Yeah,
I mean it's going to be hot.

Speaker 8 (20:32):
It's suffocating, it's muggy, it's human. Just stay in the
air conditioning with a cold drink, watch TV like a nap.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (20:39):
That's why it's great that there's essentially soccer on right
now from nine am till about six pm. You get
home from work, you take a nap real quick during
the soccer match.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
It's great.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
The stage is said for another major the women's season,
and it's the KPMG Women's PGA Championship that'll be on
NBC Golf Channel and Peak. All right, Uh, silence in Delaware, Hey, silence,
what's on your mind?

Speaker 12 (21:06):
Hey? Yeah, you're doing today. Nice to talk to you.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (21:11):
I've been a van since again at ESPN, and I
always appreciate everything you say. I like JJ Reddick. I
just wanted to make two comments real quick, and then
I hang up and listen. I like JJ Reddick. Man,
he's a Duke alung so and I'm really a Duke fan,
so I think he's going to do good. I don't

(21:33):
know about the playoffs, but I hope they give him
more time than one year. And I was also I
heard you talking about a Rod. I wanted to know
if you saw Reggie Jackson's reports at how you felt
about that, Like I mean to broadcast seem to stop

(21:55):
when he started speaking.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Oh and I and I actually heard it last night,
saw it SILENTCE. So Reggie Jackson was part of, you know,
the the entire night. Ken Griffy Junior was there. You
had a Rod Jeter, big Poppy, I mean, you had
a wonderful Willie Mays's son was there. And this was
in Birmingham, Alabama. And Reggie was asked about kind of

(22:18):
you know, emotional memories here and coming back here. Reggie
had played there, and Reggie had this to say.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Coming back here is not easy.

Speaker 10 (22:31):
The racism that I played here when I played here,
the difficulty of going through different places where we traveled. Unfortunately,
I had a manager and I had players on the
team that helped me get through it. But I wouldn't
wish it on anybody. People said to me today I
spoke and they said, you think you're a better person.

(22:54):
You think you won when you played here and conquered.
I said, you know, I would never wanted to do it.
You want to do it again. I walked into restaurants
and they would point at me and said, can't eat here.
I would go to a hotel and they said, can't
stay here. We went to Charlie Finley's country Club for

(23:16):
a welcome home dinner and they pointed me out with
the end word, he can't come in here.

Speaker 9 (23:22):
Finley marks the whole team out.

Speaker 10 (23:26):
Finally they let me in there. He said, we're going
to go to the diner and eat Hamburgers or go
where we're wanting.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
So it's pretty powerful with Reggie Jackson and what he experienced.
And the broadcast stopped because it was supposed to be
this celebratory reminisce, feel good Willie Mays, Major League Baseball,
Negro League stars who played in this you know, this
historical baseball field park, and then Reggie just hits pause

(23:57):
and he throws in reality. I thought it was awesome. No,
he it stays with you, obviously. I mean, that's PTSD.
I don't care how many years ago. I don't care
how many decades ago. Hall of Famer mister October, I
don't care. I still remember that couldn't go into a restaurant.

(24:20):
Can't go into a country club where my owner of
the Oakland A's Kansas City's, you know he's taking us
in there. He did mention some of his teammates who
stood up for him. But it's tough enough to get
to the major leagues. That's why I look at Jackie
Robinson with such admiration of the person it took to

(24:42):
allow the player that he was to be able to
take center stage. You have to, as a person, swallow
some pride, ego, a whole lot of stuff so he
could still play baseball because he knew the importance. If
he failed, then the others who were trying to follow
wouldn't have gotten the opportunity, or they would have had
to have waited. Imagine, you go to work, You may

(25:04):
have teammates who don't like you, the opposition doesn't like you,
Fans don't like you. Where you can stay, and you
can't stay where you can eat and not eat. Just
you can't go out at night just being nervous. Who
are you around, who you're talking to, and somebody may
do something crazy. But you know, I applaud Reggie because

(25:25):
it wasn't pleasant going back there. He doesn't have fond memories.
He would never wish that on anybody. Just getting to
the major leagues is so difficult, the degree of difficulty
for the African American ballplayers, and some never even got
the opportunity. But when you look at Jackie Robinson, what

(25:47):
he did, when he did it, how he did it,
and everything that was in front of him, and to me,
he's the greatest athlete in history because baseball was his
fourth best sport. He became a Hall of Famer, broke
the color barrier and opened the door for you know,
black baseball players to get that opportunity.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
So it's good.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
I think baseball is trying to showcase the Negro leagues,
African American players putting their records in the record books
now because they realize that they're missing out on a generation,
maybe another generation of African American players who aren't.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
Playing baseball anymore.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
And you know, telling the story of Major League Baseball
without the African Americans is not possible. So I applaud
Reggie for saying what he said. Normally, you know, people
on a set love to just laugh. Everything's and then
you stop talking and then we all laugh. I mean,
big Poppy awkwardly laughed after Reggie had talked about something

(26:50):
really serious about, you know, maturing I would have killed
somebody and then I would end up in an oak tree.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
Hang.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
I mean crazy, powerful, powerful stuff. But it was the
right moment for Reggie going back, Hey, fond memory, No,
and then he gives you what reality really is. Hey,
this great game here, not always some phone calls in

(27:18):
here Baker and Bozeman, Hey, Bake, what's on your mind today?

Speaker 13 (27:23):
Happy Friday?

Speaker 8 (27:24):
Danny.

Speaker 14 (27:24):
You know last segment you were talking about something that
that just resonated with me, And to be honest, I've
been wanting to call you about this for months because
I'm wound up about it. I've been a baseball zello
at my entire life, and I agree with you that folks,
even including myself, have been ambivalent about the steroid era
and how much of a cheat that really was. Well,

(27:45):
let me tell you the most blatant form of cheating
isn't really being talked about in terms of the Hall
of Fame. I'll put it in the context of Deon Sanders,
including on your show. He's been famously asked, you know
you're hall of Fame in football why weren't you more
successful in baseball? And Gianna said, hitting that baseball is hard.
He said, if I knew what pitch was coming, that'd
be a different story. Let me tell you who knew

(28:06):
what pitch was company was the Astros in the twenty
seventeen obviously World Series roster. And so when you talk
about Oltuve, when you talk about Burlander, those guys, anytime
that conversation should come up, they should be in the context. Well,
they shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame because that
is far more of a blatant cheet than anything that's
ever happened with Pete Rose or went to steroids.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
I mean, yeah, look, you don't get any argument here.
It's been proven. You know, l Twove is going to
have to answer to this now. Verlander, I don't know
if he's been attached to steroids or cheating, I should say,
but he was on the roster. He's on the team,
and you had to know about it. Imagine if you're

(28:50):
he's a pitcher, his hitters are getting the signals. Imagine
if it was the other way around, how he would
feel it was cheating and the only people who were punished.
We're in the front of manager and a GM.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
But that was poorly handled by Major League Baseball Rob
Manfred did a poor job with that. Oh, nobody's gonna
give any testimony here. Well, if you really want to
do a deep dive, you may not like what you find.
But if you're gonna do it for the integrity of
the game, then you It doesn't matter the casualties. It's
gonna be ugly, it's gonna hurt, but hopefully the game

(29:26):
is better because of that. But yeah, the Astros. If
you said Al Tuvey's not getting in the voters, I'm
not a voter. I can only give you my opinion.
Is he a Hall of Fame Baseball player? The credentials
will be there. Now, do you want to put him
in because of what happened with the cheating scandal? I
would have no problem if you said, we're not going
to put him in, or I'm gonna make him. I'm

(29:47):
gonna make him wait ten years. I mean, how do
you punish him? Baseball didn't punish him. Can the writers
punish him?

Speaker 3 (29:55):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
But once again, it's it's a museum to museum tell
the history. You put it on the plaque. Now, I mean,
I'm fine with that as well. There's bad guys. There's
the guys who were racist, there were cheaters. I mean,
there's a lot of guys who were in the Hall

(30:17):
of Fame. But you want to tell the story of
Major League Baseball, then truly tell the story. Make it
a museum where we learn the good, bad and the
ugly that we showcase major League Baseball in the right way.
Tell Bonds's story, tell Maguires or so. I'm fine with
that l two vay story. But it's up to you

(30:39):
the fan, if you want it. I have no control
over other than my opinion here. I don't vote, and
if I voted, i'd have there's guys that I would
even consider for the Hall of Fame. When you tell
me that somebody was a Hall of Famer before they cheated,
it's the totality of your career. As I always say,

(31:00):
he was Father of the Year for ten years. Yeah,
then he left with his secretary, so maybe not the
father of the Year after that. Bonds was unbelievable in Pittsburgh,
Clemens was great in Boston, and then all of a
sudden things happened.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
It's not just a coincidence.

Speaker 7 (31:18):
Yes, Mark, I'm having a hard time wrapping my head
around the four straight MVP Awards that Barry Bonds won
with those same voters that vote for the Hall of Fame.
You saw him busting out of his uniform and his
head size was a different I mean, and he was
winning all these MVP awards.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
But this is the argument, there was no steroid testing.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Major League Baseball couldn't get that past The Players Association
commissioner Seally told me about that. He said, look, I
can't I'm trying. Can't do it. And then I suggested
you should start testing in the minor leagues and he did.
He said, you know, I can do it there, but
I can't get it, you know, in major League Baseball.

(31:58):
And I told him go talk to the clubhouse, guys.
Do you want to find out about what's going on
major League Baseball? Bring the club guys, the club's in there.
Then you're gonna find out. I said, you're not gonna
like what you're gonna find out. And look at what happened.
He brought in the clubhouse guys.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
Yeah, Pauling Bonds, we always do this.

Speaker 4 (32:16):
Bond's five year runs starting in two thousand, he had
forty nine homers, seventy three homers, forty six, forty five,
forty five. Now the seventy three obviously is galactic. The
other three seasons forty six homers, forty five, forty five.
Like Sammy Sosa has way more big home run seasons
than Bond's because they took the bat out of Bond's hands.

(32:37):
Those three seasons he was walked one hundred ninety eight times,
one hundred and forty eight times, and then an all
time record of two hundred and thirty two walks in
two thousand and four, at age thirty nine.

Speaker 12 (32:47):
I do.

Speaker 5 (32:49):
Woo day stana day start outa day, scant outa day.
This is the stule of the day.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
Stat of Today.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Brought to you by Panini America, the official trading cards
for The Dan Patrick Show. Normally, if you walk a
hundred times in a season, that's really good. You got
a really good eye. He was intentionally walked one and
twenty times in one season. Intentionally walked, Bonds would have
hit at least eighty five home runs that year.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
He might have hit even more than that, but that's
where you go. Okay, you guys are cheating over there.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Let me see what I could do with this stuff.
This is late in his career. He had one pitch
using every at bat that he got one pitch, just
a little piece of cheese and that's it and here
it comes and he didn't miss that really really tight
compact quick swing, boom gone.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
Yeah, amazing.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
All right, let me take a break. More phone calls
coming up. We'll check in with the Lakers in about
a half hour from now. Is jj Reddick? Did they
give a time for when he's going to be sworn
in as the new head coach?

Speaker 12 (34:02):
There?

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Tom?

Speaker 3 (34:03):
Did you? Or is it? Is it official yet by
the Lakers?

Speaker 8 (34:07):
I have not heard an official word just yet, at
least as far as the request to have the prominent
people on, including the coach. Okay, maybe things haven't been
officially dotted and signed.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Why didn't the Lakers respond to you that it's not official?

Speaker 9 (34:19):
Yeah, as of yesterday afternoon. Thinks it may have changed
over the past time.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
I'm guessing it's official. I'm good to guess it's official.
All right, let me take a break. We're back after this.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
App Make your Night a family movie Night. It's Kung
Fu Panda four. After defeating villains with his unmatched courage
and mad martial arts skills, Poe takes on a new adventure.
The hit movie from theaters, now streaming on Peacock. I
missed the first three. I don't know if I need
the first three to get ready for Kung Fu Panda four,

(35:00):
But if I do, I'll have to set aside some
time there. All right, Todd has a rhyme time. By
the way, we also have a Celtics limerick here. Keith
and Florida joins us on the program. Hi, Keith, what's
on your mind today?

Speaker 13 (35:15):
Hello dan Hello Danette's Happy Friday everybody. Yeah, I have
a ode to the Celtics for the victory this week,
and it's in limerick form, and I'm going to name
all five starting Celtics in the limericks.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Okay, here we go. This is Keith and Florida.

Speaker 13 (35:32):
There once was a team starring Tatum and for zing
As you love him or hate them, they had White
and Jalen three pointers.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
They're nailing. No holiday if you try to fade them.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Okay, all right, that's Keith and Florida, right, fine, yeah,
Cod has a rhyme time. I didn't now are you
ready for this?

Speaker 9 (35:51):
I am?

Speaker 3 (35:51):
Okay.

Speaker 9 (35:52):
Are you guys right?

Speaker 2 (35:53):
I don't know you guys are the participants? Okay, all right,
so you have some rhyme time. Explain what rhyme time is.

Speaker 8 (35:57):
I'm gonna give you two words that don't rhyme and
and the answer is two words that do rhyn.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
Okay, the clues don't rhyme like.

Speaker 8 (36:03):
For example, for example, oysters panther, not football panther, hockey panther.

Speaker 9 (36:10):
Oysters panther.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
Could chuck.

Speaker 9 (36:15):
Oysters panther would be what do you do to oysters?

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Shuck?

Speaker 3 (36:18):
Kod chuck shuck could chuck. That's exactly how they All right,
thank you, Tony, all right, We're all done. That's it.

Speaker 8 (36:24):
Wait, was that I had a few more okay, essential oiler,
essential oiler.

Speaker 9 (36:35):
That would be vital dry sidle, that would be central oiler.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Game six coming up tonight.

Speaker 9 (36:43):
Dwayne ticker tape, Dwayne Ticker.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
Tape, Wade parade, Wade.

Speaker 9 (36:48):
Parade, very good, all right, thank you, Tom Willy Higher
well late late news things things have happened. We say
Willy Higher.

Speaker 8 (36:59):
Okay, Willie's nickname, say hey and hey J Willian Higher,
say hey, J. Desist Angel, Desist Angel. What do you
do before you desist?

Speaker 9 (37:19):
Cease Angel? Cease Reese, desist Angel.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Is ceasee Angel. Reese and Caitlyn Clark are playing again
this weekend.

Speaker 9 (37:29):
They play every other day.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
It feels like when I was growing up, the seventy
six Ers played the Celtics every Sunday afternoon on DV
on CBS.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
Be like, man, how's that happening?

Speaker 9 (37:40):
We're getting it.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
You know, two best teams, two big markets, and they're
always playing on Sunday afternoon.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
All right, what else do you have time?

Speaker 8 (37:46):
How about Beg's Nicole Begs Nicole, Yes, mar Disco brisk.

Speaker 9 (37:56):
Sports My god, why not.

Speaker 8 (37:58):
Disco Brisko, brat Pack Pirate like a baseball player. Brat
Pack Pirate. Pirate has been geting a lot of attention.
Schemes Okay and brat Pack are a bunch of teens
schemes and pirates teens schemes.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
Pauls is becoming musty TV by the way he he is.
It's an event when he's on the mountain.

Speaker 8 (38:20):
Yes time, ice chest Celtic. Ice chest Celtic the word
for an ice chest. But he puts stuff in to
keep things cooler. Okay, cooler Celtic. We just got to
ring and lead the team from the bench as the figurehead.

Speaker 9 (38:45):
Cooler.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
I'm in a real generous mood today. I'm gonna give
that one to you.

Speaker 8 (38:49):
Zepic see wuz see Wu Trim Kim would be slim,
Okay Kim, why not?

Speaker 9 (38:59):
Zepic and Sea Woo would be slay.

Speaker 8 (39:01):
Get up trading cards, Get up trading cards, Greenie.

Speaker 9 (39:11):
I'm gonna leave you with this last one. This is
a bonus because the clues and the answer both rhyme.
This is a special one.

Speaker 8 (39:17):
Ready, Deli mahente, Deli Mahente.

Speaker 9 (39:24):
Close enough, Deli mahenty.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
They don't rhyme, close it up, play along, Deli mahen rhymed.

Speaker 5 (39:30):
Delia special because they both.

Speaker 9 (39:34):
Rhyme or come close to rhymeing. So what would be
a Deli Sandwigian? Who would Mahenti be? I don't know
the answeroud.

Speaker 8 (39:43):
Be Reuben Zubin, Ruben Zubin. Deli started to be a
Reuben and Mahente. We got two s panders in there.

Speaker 4 (39:51):
Have we missed that one?

Speaker 9 (39:52):
Corisco?

Speaker 3 (39:53):
Who's zubin Mohente?

Speaker 9 (39:55):
Is that his name?

Speaker 3 (39:56):
He's a sports center rancor.

Speaker 9 (39:57):
Yes, okay, he's on a lot.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
I know Nicole Brisco because you point her out all
the time. No other anchor normally, Yes, yes, I see,
Can I do one?

Speaker 5 (40:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (40:08):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (40:09):
This is a ryin time.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 5 (40:11):
Todd's jokes.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
Celtic's Dukie.

Speaker 5 (40:16):
Todd's jokes, Celtic's Dukie.

Speaker 6 (40:19):
Yes, Paulie ham Tatum, I knew you'd be on the
same Pageum the here we go uha Chia in Texas,
Hi to you, what's on your mind?

Speaker 3 (40:34):
Hello, good morning morning.

Speaker 15 (40:37):
I'm calling to do a birthday shout out for my
wonderful husband. It's a milestone for him. It's his thirtieth
and we just welcome to newborn, so we're not able
to go out and celebrate. So he doesn't miss a show,
and I know he's somewhere around his house listening to it,
and so I just thought he would love this.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
What's his name to you?

Speaker 15 (41:00):
Is Marcus?

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Marcus in Congratulations on the new baby. There happy She
didn't even know where Marcus is probably hiding from us somewhere.
Diaper duty. You said duty. Final hour. We'll check in
with the Lakers. Everybody happy with this move? One more

(41:22):
hour to go.
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