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June 19, 2024 41 mins

Dan Patrick talks with Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio about the NFL changing the criteria for Comeback Player of the Year. Dan reacts to a few major pieces of news in the NBA. Plus, Dan looks back on Lance Armstrong's controversial dominance of the Tour de France.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio. It's hour two on this Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Dan and the Dan It's Dan Patrick Show spend a
lot of time at the first hour reminiscing about the
say hey kid, Willie Mays passing away at the age
of ninety three. You got the Celtics parade set for Friday.
We will have a game six Friday with the Oilers
beating the Panthers. If you're going to have a parade,
a Friday parade is really good and really bad because

(00:32):
take the day off, maybe a half day. Maybe Friday
leaks into Saturday and then drips into Sunday, and then
maybe you come to your senses and you get ready
to go to work on Monday. But Celtic's parade set
for Friday. Celtics reportedly win the title, then they go
to Florida to party. Why are you going to Miami party?

(00:55):
How about Vegas?

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Maybe? Can you just stay in boss?

Speaker 4 (01:00):
Oh it's wrong with Miami?

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Well, I know, but that's also that just seems kind
of I don't know, Miami. You're the Celtics. You don't
go down there to Miami.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
Think Miami is kind of a hotbed right now. It's
kind of where like the world is going to party.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
But it's still You're the Celtics. You don't like the
Miami heat. You don't want to be there in Miami
celebrating on their turf. Exactly. Oh okay, I see what.
I see the approach you're taking. I mean, like, you
know what, how about we wait until after Friday, do
the parade, and then we disperse, then we go Vegas.

Speaker 4 (01:38):
After the parade, I don't have to see any of
you guys until camp starts.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
You think they're tired of seeing each other? Likely? Likely?

Speaker 5 (01:48):
Oh, without question. Okay, the parade is the climax and
if we.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
All go home, okay, Like Jalen Brown is like, yes, yes,
we do this together.

Speaker 6 (01:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
I love Jason Tatum. I love Jason Tated, He's my brother.
We need to do this together right up until after
the parade and now I'll see in a couple months.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
Yeah, see ya.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Late last hour, Woje said the Pistons are firing Monty Williams.
He still has five years, sixty five million dollars left
on his deal. This just in from Wojes. The Pacers
are going to sign Pascal Siakam to a one hundred
and eighty nine million dollar deal four years for one
hundred and eighty nine million dollars. That is a max contract.

(02:31):
He's a good player. It's just weird that, you know,
he's not must see TV. You would think for numbers
like that, you'd be like, man, people are going to
come out and see him. All right, he's going to
give you a twenty one and eight. It's like, okay,
thirty years of age, all right, pile Scow, good.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Good job there.

Speaker 5 (02:54):
Yes, uh Marvin, Yeah, he's a good player, but he's
not a media guide type of player, like come see
Jason Tatum and the Boston Celtics. No one says, come
see Pascal Siakam in the Indiana Pacers.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
No, no, it's not like you know the ticket you
know that they the ticket stub or the program for
each game. Come out and see it's a passqual versus
the Lakers. Just not going to be that way. But
all right, this is going right now. That's what's crazy
because when you go three hundred million dollars for a

(03:27):
max deal with this guy or this guy, and you
think that there would be something extra that goes along
with that other than well, these TV deals are worth
billions of dollars. Somebody's got to get paid here, and
that's the trickle down. It just thirty million is like, oh,
you make thirty million. Used to be making thirty million

(03:48):
in a career. Now it's like, uh, yeah, I'm only
making I'm only making thirty million dollars a year.

Speaker 5 (03:54):
Yes, Marvin, if you're a fringe NBA player in the
G League right now, you're at the three point line,
let me make one hundred thousand and three pointers so
I can at least try to get some of this money.
Because there's, like we always say, there's a difference between
being like right.

Speaker 6 (04:09):
There and not being right there.

Speaker 5 (04:11):
Like, you know what, if I can make forty percent
of my three pointers, I can make thirty million dollars
a year just being a three and D guy.

Speaker 6 (04:19):
Yeah, I could be Jaden McDaniels. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Well, even Klay Thompson now at his age, he's going
to be, you know, forty million dollars a year to
just be a catch and shoot guy with Orlando or
staying with Golden Steak. Stat of the Day brought to
you by Panini America, the official trading cards of the program.
The toughest cycling race of the year is back, the
Tour de France the world's top cyclist and the twenty

(04:44):
one day journey close to three thousand miles, I believe,
and you can stream it exclusively all race long Saturday
Saturday morning on Peacock. I'm watching the thirty for thirty
on Lance Armstrong. It's actually two parts, and we've had
Lance on the show. You can't help but dislike him

(05:07):
when you hear him in this documentary. But there's also
I have admiration for him because it's a dirty sport.
It's been a dirty sport well before Lance Armstrong. But
he saw it and then he said, I want what
the Italian team is taking. And then he found out
that it was something called EPO and he called it bleeping'

(05:30):
rocket fuel. He was taking what you were taking. And
then he became the greatest cyclist of all time. It's
almost like Barry Bond said, oh wait, I'm not the
best player. It's Maguire and Sosa. How about I take
what they're taking. I'm going to tell you, I'm going
to show you what I can do. I'm going to
put up numbers that are going to blow everybody away,

(05:52):
and that's exactly what he did. Roger Clemens may have
looked and said, you know, hey, these guys are using
I'm going to use.

Speaker 6 (05:58):
Now.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Look what I'm going to do when I go to Toronto.
And Lance did that with the tour, defronts the problem
I always have with Lance. Now, once again, if you
said somebody's going to raise one hundred million dollars for
cancer research, Okay, what's the downside, Well, he cheated and

(06:20):
he was very vindictive to those who called him out
for cheating. And that's what happened. On one hand, you
have Livestrong that was unbelievable. But then you have the
other side of this and if Lance had but Lance
couldn't do this. He couldn't approach it any other way
than how he approached everything.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
He was aggressive, bleep.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
You, I'm going to do it my way, and if
you get my way, I'm coming after you. And that's
what he did. And he's suing people. That's the that's
the harsh part all of it. Of all of it,
you can't like him, But there's part of me that
he came back from testicular cancer just that alone, to
ride in the tort front and then all of a sudden,

(07:01):
you realize, if you're going to be one of his teammates,
you got to use, and then everybody else who's using.
I think they had a race. I don't know when
it was, but they were trying to find somebody who
actually passed a drug test and they went down to
the twenty fourth place finisher and declared that person the winner.
But Lance, fascinating guy. Didn't read the room very well,

(07:27):
but fascinating guy. And you know, I'd seen the documentary.
I don't know, I just felt like I wanted to
revisit it, you know when I saw a commercial for
a promo for the Twitter France. Because we don't care
about it like the way we did. It's like America's Cup.
The only time we cared about it is when we
lost it, Like we truly were like we got to

(07:49):
get that cup back. All these billionaires in there, you know,
their yachts and we got to get that back. Didn't
mean anything for us, like our pride was it those
Aueses took our America's Cup.

Speaker 7 (08:06):
Yeah, Pauline, and I remember at the time it was
the French media that was attacking Lance Armstrong the most,
which rallied American sports fans against the French media, not
against Lance Armstrong. I remember a day we were doing
the show, and I'm pretty sure as Floyd Landis, the
former cyclist accused Lance of something, we didn't even have
a chance to have Fritzy call for Lance. Lance's representative

(08:27):
called us and said he'd like to come on your
show to talk about this. We didn't even have to
book him. He booked himself on our show to fight
this accusation, which was.

Speaker 6 (08:35):
True, by the way.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yeah, Floyd was the whistleblower here, the former Tor Defronce winner.
But yeah, it's kind of fascinating how we all of
a sudden became a fan of the Tour Defronce, like
we cared about it. But it's just because of the
nationalism that went on with that with Lance, Yes.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
And the way Lance handled all of those accusations became
the blueprint of how everyone should handle being accused of
steroid ass Look at see Lance, That's what an innocent
guy does. He sues everybody. He goes after them for
you know, tarnishing his name. That's how you handle it.
If you're really innocent, you go sue. Oh, yeah, he
attacked his attackers. Yeah, didn't end up well, but but

(09:18):
you know that he's still Lance Armstrong. It's not one
of those like they took away everything and he got
sued by the government. He had to pay the He
was supposed to pay them one hundred million dollars. They
settled for five million dollars. So it was like serious stuff.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Here, But it could have been a remarkable story even
if he didn't win. The tour defronts, you know, coming
back testicular cancer. But he talks about started using when
he was like twenty years of age, and the sport
has been dirty. They talk about cyclists who did amphetamines,

(09:58):
some did cocaine. This is back in the you know,
like I don't know, fifties, so it's been dirty for decades.
But I like that the French got upset because Lance
was dominating. And it's okay if one of their cyclists cheats,
but Lance can't cheat and then call us names. We're
not gonna we're gonna stay. We got principles here. But

(10:19):
Lance fascinating. But the fact that he talked about this
EPO and he said it was like rocket fuel, and
then all of a sudden he's doing what other teams
are doing, and then he dominated. But it is pretty fascinating.
All right, poll question Seaton for the final hour, for
this hour and clean up from last hour.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
Let's say we've got up there. Should Florida be nervous?
I'll let you decide what exactly that means. Well, the Panthers, Oh, well,
we're just going to leave it as Florida. Should Florida
be nervous?

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Yeah? Dan Lebtard lives there. Yes, you should have some
studios or no, not yet.

Speaker 4 (10:58):
Right now absolutely has seventy two percent of the vote.
And if you could go back in history and watch
one player, Babe Babe Wooth, Babe Ruth, Willie Mays, Jesse Owens,
Wilt Chamberlain, right, and now forty four percent of the vote,
does Babe Ruth?

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Okay, I think that's the wrong decision.

Speaker 8 (11:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
I would have taken Jesse Owens at the nineteen thirty
six Olympics. He's currently in last Okay, Well, then people
aren't very smart. Yeah smart, I can car.

Speaker 5 (11:23):
I know he's not on the board, but I'm going
to take Aba Julie Irving. Okay, from what I've heard,
and he seems like a mythical figure when he was
in the ABA.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah, somebody sent me an outline of Doctor Jay's hand.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
You want to get humbled. I put my hand up
next to his.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
I could have put my other hand up there, and
his hand was still like biggest hands. Him and Connie Hawkins.
Connie Hawkins played for the Phoenix Suns. I got seem
in person, and Connie wasn't anywhere near what Doctor j was.
He was a playground legend. The book Foul was about
Connie Hawkins and I just seeing Doc's hands, and I

(12:09):
was there in Philadelphia after they had lost a playoff
game and their season was over. He's in the locker room.
He's got ice on his knees. When he's got his
hands on his knees, and it looked like they went
all the way down to his ankle like his shins.
He had et hands. You know you see et. That's
Doc had hands that were just huge, like crazy. And

(12:34):
when people say, oh, Shack's hands are too big, Shack's
hands aren't bigger than Doctor Jay's. Like he can't shoot
free throws, his hands are too big. No, he doesn't
have any touch, He has no form Doctor J had
a beautiful shot, great rotation, So it's not his hands
are too big.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
Yeah, Pong, it's.

Speaker 7 (12:52):
Really we talked about this before the TV Ero and
Bird and Magic took over. But if Doctor J's four
or five years younger and his prime is in eighty
one through eighty six instead of the late seventies or
you know, Kareem attlle Jabbar, I think he's almost underrated,
because yes, most people, even like me, I started watching
Kareem when I was well, when magical.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
I think Kareem is the greatest player of all time. Okay,
if I look at the resume, they changed rules because
of him, couldn't play his freshman year. They outlawed the dunk.
Although like they outlawed the dunk I think with Wilt
in college. But with Kareem, what he did, he won

(13:34):
three titles because he was eligible for three Most Outstanding Player.
What he did in the NBA, like single handedly was awesome.
It just felt like Oscar came over to the Bucks.
Kareem needed Oscar, so Oscar, that's Oscar's title, not Kareem's.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
That's Oscars.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
And then of course he had magic, and magic you know,
was obviously great with Kareem and vice versa, but then
it became magic titles, not Kareem's. I don't know if
Kareem ever had his own titles unless you go back
to UCLA, But yeah, what he did and nobody's been able.
You talk about signature moves, nobody has mastered that. Nobody's

(14:16):
even come close to a skyhook. Again, it's because that's his.
Nobody else can emulate it. But it is gorgeous.

Speaker 5 (14:25):
Yes, mar would the UCLA freshman team have won the
national title?

Speaker 6 (14:29):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yes, because the freshman team beat the varsity team.

Speaker 6 (14:35):
Did they really? Yes?

Speaker 2 (14:36):
They played against each other and they beat the team
that won the national title. So the second best team
in America that year was the freshman team at UCLA.
Head coach John Caliperi, now at Arkansas joined just in
a little more than an hour from now, Mike Florio
will join us coming up here momentarily.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
The Comeback Player of the Year award. It got either a.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
New definition or reinforcing the definition that it's always been
because they're trying to prevent a Joe Flacco type situation.

Speaker 9 (15:09):
Again, finally we're addressing Yes, finally that's been bothering people.
Damn it, Joe Flacco one comeback Player of the Year.
Jamar Hamlin came back from the dead and he didn't
win the Comeback Player of the Year.

Speaker 4 (15:23):
Got to address the Joe Flacco situation.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
Yes, we do. Floria will join us.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
The Brandon Ayuk situation is interesting because he keeps saying
they don't want me in San Francisco.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
They say they do.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
And we'll talk to Floria about just some of the
other headlines there in the off season that we should
at least be aware of, and we'll come back talk
to him after this.

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Speaker 3 (16:28):
More phone calls coming up next hour.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Jamal Crawford Turner Sports JJ Reddick expected to be sworn
in sometime this week as the Lakers new head coach.
Pistons need a new head coach. They fired Monty Williams
with five years and sixty five million dollars left on
his contract. He had a twenty million dollar buyout when
he was the Phoenix Suns head coach. He might be

(16:53):
the highest paid coach in the NBA and he's not
coaching in the NBA. John Caliper, Arkansas head coach, will
stop by as well, so his Mike Florio from Pro
Football Talk Live co host and NBC Football Night in America.
You can find Mike and Chris Sims on peaconck. It's
the show that precedes hours Monday through Friday. Mike, thanks

(17:15):
for joining us, and of course this is the biggest
story in my opinion this week. The Comeback Player of
the Year award has been sort of redefined or re emphasized.
Now we will never have to worry about a pesky
story like Joe Flacco with what he did, because he
didn't come back from anything other than not being any good.

(17:35):
So what is the NFL doing? I know they wanted
Damorrow Hamlin to be the Comeback Player of the Year
because he came back from dead, but why are they
doing this?

Speaker 11 (17:46):
Well, this has been lingering for a while, and I
actually started when Gino Smith won it Dan in the
twenty twenty two season coming back from sucking. And that
goes back to Ryan Tannehill. Frankly in twenty nineteen after
his time with the Dolphins, he wasn't very good, he
gets traded, he replaces Marcus Mariota, he plays well, he's
the comeback Player of the Year. There's never been any guidance

(18:06):
for the voters on what comeback Player of the Year means,
so they've been trying to make it more clear that
you're coming back from something that caused you to miss
time the prior season. Now it's still not hard and
fast ruled. It's going to be determined on a case
by case basis. I've come up with various questions that
I've been peppering the AP with, like what about this,
what about this, how about this, how about that? And

(18:29):
it Again, they're not going to reject ballots. For example,
if Aaron Rodgers did come back last year during the
season after tearing the achilles week one, comes back and
plays and vaults the Jets to the playoffs. Under this
new characterization, he wouldn't be eligible because it speaks to
injury or illness the prior year. So there's still some

(18:49):
stuff that's got to get worked out. The goal is
come back from injury illness, and they need to have
and they've tried to do this a separate category of
most improved Player. Then you have an award coming back
from sucking and coming back from injury illness. You've got
two separate awards. Why not just do that.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Aaron Rodgers can't be Comeback Player of the Year this
upcoming season if he's.

Speaker 11 (19:11):
Great No this year, yes, this year, yes, because he
missed almost all of last year. My point is if
he'd come back last year and played the last five games,
which is all Joe Flacco did, and had taken the
Jets to the playoffs after suffering the torn achilles ten
and I remember there was that talk, is he coming back?
Is he coming back? Maybe I'm coming back. If he
had under this standard, he wouldn't have been eligible. But
I'm told they're going to look at it all case

(19:33):
by case, so we'll see how it plays out. We'll
see how it goes.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
I like this is a big deal, you know, well.

Speaker 11 (19:38):
I think it is. For the people who bet on it.
It definitely is. And there are some people, you know,
Jake Croucher with NBC. Jake Croucher had a lot of
money on Demor Hamlin winning Comeback Player of the Year,
and when that didn't happen, there's a lot of people
that bought those tickets when it looked like a no brainer.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
It was the biggest sure thing exactly. He came back
from the dead, mic, I know.

Speaker 11 (20:00):
But the problem is he played like seventeen snaps on
defense all year, and I think that's what kept him.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
Way, Mike.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
He came back from dead to play seventeen snaps.

Speaker 11 (20:13):
Yes, maybe he should have won it in twenty twenty
three or twenty two, the year that it actually happened.
I don't know. I mean, because he lived it was
week seventeen. He lived after that, you could argue he
should have been the Comeback Player of the Year.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
That why don't you name the award after him?

Speaker 6 (20:28):
Mike.

Speaker 11 (20:31):
I think even though his case didn't cause this I
think it accelerated it and cemented it and ensured that
the AP was going to make it clear for the
first time we do have guidance on what it means
to be the comeback.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
Then goodness. By the way, what is the news with
Aaron Rodgers?

Speaker 2 (20:46):
A lot of these shows, and I know it's got
to be clickbait that their metrics will tell them talk
about Aaron Rodgers? Is there anything that fans should really
be aware of, concerned of with Aaron Rodgers?

Speaker 11 (21:00):
Hey, Dan, some of us are still trying to make money.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
At least you admit it, Mike. At least you admit
it that. Come on, I can't, I can't do it,
But we're not.

Speaker 11 (21:12):
We're not going to force feed vegetables. When they want cookies,
they want cookies, they get cookies.

Speaker 12 (21:18):
Baby.

Speaker 11 (21:20):
Here's here's the thing that was my big takeaway.

Speaker 6 (21:23):
Two things.

Speaker 11 (21:24):
One, I think the Jets handled this whole thing extremely poorly.
Just excuse the guy's absence from mandatory minicamp, or do
the mandatory minicamp the prior week and make last week
a couple of days of voluntary OTAs. Then it's no
big deal. This was a strategic and pr blunder by
the Jets to call it an unexcused absence. Secondly, from

(21:46):
Roger's perspective, Hey, don't schedule your trip to wherever the
hell you.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
Went in the middle of June.

Speaker 11 (21:53):
You've been doing this twenty years, you know when mandatory
minicamp is quite possibly going to be and when he
gets in of microphones and cameras and he wags his
finger in January about how next year it's got to
be all about winning, not some of the time, not
most of the time, all the time. We got to
get the bs out of the building. That has nothing
to do with winning. Oh you know what, I might

(22:14):
run for vice president and ghost the Jets, and I'm
going to go on all these different podcasts and spew
these crazy ass conspiracy theories. But that doesn't count because
it didn't happen in the building. He's very good at
crafting a standard and not applying it to himself. Some
would say he's perfectly suited going to politics, which I
think is inevitable. So that's the other side of it too.
He comes off as hypocritical by not being there because

(22:36):
of what he said in January.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
How would it go if you met Aaron Rodgers, You.

Speaker 6 (22:42):
Not well for me?

Speaker 11 (22:44):
Not well for me. I can't wait to turn sixty, Dan,
I've done some research. Most states have laws that protect
us once we reach sixty, so if someone hits us,
they get slapped with elder abuse charges. So I'm going
to be even more of an ass when.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
You're due for an ass kicking, though, Mike.

Speaker 11 (23:02):
I'm gonna be more of an ass when I turned six.
But yeah, I would love I think that Aaron Rodgers
and I have some things in common. I'd like to
think I could maybe get through to him and we
can have a real debate. But that's the thing. He
never wants to talk to anybody who might disagree with him.
He goes on all these safe space podcasts and says
all this crazy stuff, and the hosts never say, dude,

(23:25):
you gotta you gotta maybe try decaf or you know,
maybe read a different book. Or everything isn't a conspiracy.
I love a good conspiracy theory. I love one, not
a thousand of them. It can't be that everything is
the product of some massive government conspiracy.

Speaker 6 (23:43):
Anyway.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
Yeah, can you.

Speaker 6 (23:45):
Set it up?

Speaker 11 (23:45):
Can you broker it? Sure you can do it, Milford,
I'll come up, get him there. I'll be there and
he's not far away.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk Live co host, Is there
anything to this Chief's Kansas City, Missouri situation?

Speaker 11 (23:59):
Well, this is great for the Chiefs. Chiefs and Royals
win no matter what, because you've got voters in Jackson County,
Missouri who have said, no, way know how, we're not
going to extend to sales TAC to renovate Arrowhead and
build a new stadium for the Royals. So fine, what
do you do. We're gonna keep our options open. Well,
they're not gonna relocate. You just have to go across

(24:20):
the border. This is perfect. This is the great option
for any team that's trying to get taxpayer money. You
get two states that are right on the state line,
and all you gotta do is slide across to the
other side and you get what you're looking for. So
Kansas passes, the House of Representatives passes a measure to
pay for new stadiums for both teams. The Senate's got

(24:41):
to act on it, but they're moving quickly. Special Session.
Off they go. Chiefs have at least through twenty thirty.
Nothing stops them from striking a deal with Kansas, but
I assume Missouri is going to try to come up
with something and whatever it is, Chiefs, it's great. You
have two suitors. They're gonna bid and bid and bid
and bid, and you just sit back and wait for
the best offer and you pick one or the other.

(25:01):
This is great for the Chiefs. They don't have to
threaten to move. They're going to get what they want,
either from Kansas or Missouri.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
What does it mean to the fans with this lawsuit
the NFL is fighting right now.

Speaker 11 (25:12):
Well, it potentially means that the way NFL games are
made available out of market games, games that aren't just
served up on Sunday afternoon by your local CBS or
Fox affiliate, that will be revolutionized. It will be cheaper.
You might be able to buy it one team at
a time if you want the Sunday ticket package, not
the whole thing for the whole season. I've always thought

(25:33):
something seemed off about Sunday ticket They market it as Hey,
if you're a Packers fan living in Pittsburgh, you can
watch all the Packers game. Well, yeah, you also can
watch all the others because you have to buy all
the others. You got to buy the whole damn thing
every week for every team. It's always seemed wrong to me.
So if this results in a loss for the NFL,
you've got the potential for a major payment that's going

(25:56):
to be made to millions of class members. But the
NFL is ain't going to have to change its ways
to avoid future liability. So that's the And I know
the NFL probably not probably definitely doesn't want me to
say this, but all fans should be rooting for the
NFL lose this because then true choice at an affordable
price likely will happen for fans who want.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
To watch out of market games. But we're talking about
Alec Cart Yeah, okay.

Speaker 11 (26:22):
And I mean ESPN was willing to, according to evidence
that came out in this trial so far, pay or
charge seventy dollars for the whole package when the Sunday
ticket was up for bid a couple of years ago,
seventy dollars for the whole year, plus a per team option.
And there's a document where the NFL makes it clear
they don't like that, because the whole argument is the

(26:44):
NFL is fixing the price of Sunday ticket at a
level that is high enough that a lot of people
won't get it and they'll just watch whatever games are
available to them in their local market. So if you
knock that out and you let ESPN, YouTube, Direct TV,
Apple whoever, or say we're going to maximize the subscribers

(27:04):
to this thing, We're gonna give it away. Apple there
was a report at one point was gonna give it
as part of their current Apple TV Plus package at
no additional cost. So you can get a lot more
people and a lot more choice for the consumer if
you don't want to watch whatever happens to be on
your local CBS station at one o'clock Eastern on a Sunday.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Before I let you go this Brandon Ayuk situation, he
keeps saying they don't want him in San Francisco. San
Francisco says they want him. I know that there was
talking Deebo Samuel and Brandon Ayuk, maybe one of the
two being traded. So is this just negotiations here?

Speaker 11 (27:38):
Well, I think the forty nine ers really want to
hold the band together for one more year, and that
includes Brandon Ayho get fourteen point one million in the
fifth year option of his contract from twenty twenty. They
definitely want him for fourteen to one. The question is
how much do they want to pay him? And I
think Dan, as we see the receiver market kind of
start to look like the running back market, where there's
so many great receivers coming out every year, you have

(27:59):
to ask yourself, which guys are gonna get the we're
not paying you thirty million a year response from their team.
Look at what Malik neighbors, the six overall pick in
the draft. Take them by the Giants. He's getting twenty
nine million for four years total. So if you can
go get great young receiver, get him under a cheap contract,

(28:20):
then you might say no to a Brandon Eye. Only
the best of the best are going to get top
of the market, and I think Brandon Iyock falls in
this no man's landed. Hey, Dan, if there was somebody
else that was willing to pay him what he wants,
he would have been traded before the draft. And now
I think he's just trying to agitate for something because
he knows the forty nine ers aren't going to give
him what he wants and.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Trevor Lawrence's deal, I know Dak Prescott is just saying,
all right, but you know, let's let the cash register
go up even higher here.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
How does this play out?

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Jerry Jones going to be make a good business decision
when it comes to Dak Prescott for a change.

Speaker 11 (28:56):
For a change's key because they waited too long to
get him signed to his second contract after his third
season when the window opened, they made him play out
his rookie deal at like two or three million dollars,
which was laughable. Then they tagged him for a year,
and then they realized when they were tagging him the
second time, we're kind of screwed here because he's one
year away from doing the Kirk Cousins thing where he's

(29:18):
gonna walk away because we would have to give him
an exorbitant amount to tag him a third time. So
they were forced to do a contract that put them
in the position they're now in. Dan They've got a
fifty five million dollar cap charge for Prescott this year,
and if he leaves after this year, they have a
fifty four million dollar cap charge next year, even if
he's not on the team. Their only way to engineer

(29:40):
that and get those numbers down is to extend his deal.
That's where his leverage comes from. What Trevor Lawrence gets,
what Jared Goff got, what Tuatonga Biloha might get, it
doesn't matter. Dak has everything in his favor and the
Cowboys have painted themselves into a corner that they aren't
willing to find a way out of.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
That eighteen game skilled schedule is just it's lingering, and
it feels like the NFL puts it out to get
kind of reacting.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
Well, you know how this works.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
It's like, let's let people talk about it and then
you can ask the commissioner, go, well, you know, we're
taking everything into consideration here.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
How real is eighteen games?

Speaker 11 (30:17):
I think it happens at the latest with the next CBA,
because when push comes to shove Dan, the owners will
say we want eighteen games, and if we don't get
eighteen games, we'll lock you out until you agree to
eighteen games. And the players, as we know from twenty
eleven before that nineteen eighty seven with the failed strike,
they will not go a year without football. The owners
will because they already got their luxury yachts and their

(30:40):
billions stashed away here, or they're not. I'm not suggesting
there's anything wrong with that. I'm just saying that they
can go without it for a year. You're a football player,
You've got a finite number of years you can play.
We have seen time and again they will not shut
down the sport for a year. So that's the latest
it's going to happen. They will cry uncle when it's
time for the next CBA. I think the leg is
currently trying to figure out is there a way to

(31:03):
go to them now and get them to agree to
eighteen games before the CBA expires, because I think dan
what the NFL is looking at when you consider what
the NBA got on its new TV deals. Yes, the
current NFL deals go through twenty thirty three. The league
has the right to pull the plug after twenty twenty
nine on all of them, and I guarantee you they're

(31:25):
going to pull the plug because it's not going to
be any worse than what's currently due to be paid
to the NFL under the media deals. And if you
can go to the table with NBCCBS, Fox, ABC, etc.
With eighteen game regular season, you get even more great stuff.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Mike is always thanks for joining us, Thanks Nancy, everybody.
That's Mike Florio Pro Football Talk Live. You can watch
it Monday through Friday. It's the show. The precege hours
will take a break. Phone calls are coming up after this.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am PS
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
Keith and Arizona joins us.

Speaker 6 (32:06):
Keith.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
What's on your mind this morning?

Speaker 13 (32:09):
Dan, Dan, I play a possible poll question for Seaton. Okay,
it's a little it's a little maybe too early, and
uh maybe a little complicated, but I'm wondering what the
passing of Lollie Mays.

Speaker 12 (32:20):
Who the greatest living baseball player is right now? And
I have a few suggestions to fill the uh to
fill the questionnaire? I mean, you got the challenging ones
with UH, with Pete Morose and Barry Bonds, but Kid
Griffy Junior, Johnny Bench, Uh, maybe Derek Jeter, just curious.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Sandy Kopek's still alive. Yeah, there's there's quite a few players.
Best player of all time? Well, it depends on if
you accept what Bonds accomplished, and if you do, then
you'd have to say Bonds just from the sheer numbers here,
but best player currently alive Junior's in there too, Pete.

(33:02):
I mean, you can't take away Pete's numbers. You can
take away Hall of Fame inductee status, but you can't
take away what he did as a baseball play. He's
the winningest player of all time. So i'd probably, you know,
once again, the need you know, the playing career stands
apart from what he was doing.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
As a manager.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
Now, was he gambling when he was playing? I don't
think he started when he was as a manager. But
if they don't have proof on it, then I'll that
had nothing to do with his stats. By the way,
It's not like he was using you know, performance and
dancing drugs. So I would say Pete is the greatest
living player right now. I mean, just off the top

(33:46):
of my head. Jim in Rochester, Hi Jim, what's on
your mind today?

Speaker 11 (33:51):
Hi?

Speaker 14 (33:51):
Dan?

Speaker 15 (33:51):
Watching the finals with some friends in the last week
and question came up about the best big man shooter
six ten or taller. And when it came out, I
assumed everyone was going Durant, but I had a different
guy from the seventies obviously. Etually, Jack Sigma came up,

(34:14):
Dirk and Rick Mount came up, freaking Dan Thissel. But
I got a guy eight Rookie of the Year early
seventy one, seventy two, two seventy three, he averages thirty one,
seventy four, seventy five, MVP.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
Averages dirty Bob McAdoo, Bob mcadow.

Speaker 15 (34:35):
I'll take Bob McAdoo all day over Durant. If you
look at his highlights, he was six or eleven, but
did not shoot inside of ten feet recently.

Speaker 6 (34:44):
Yep. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
And look there's a lot of guys in that group.
I mean Durant. Durant has knocked down dagger Man, I
mean just killer. He's the guy if you said he's
got an o been eighteen footer. Of all the big
men you're talking about, I'm going to take Durant. I

(35:07):
just think he's he can't miss Sickmund was great. Dan
Issel was wondering Jerry Lucas, like, there are guys who
were great shooters. Isso I think is really underrated. But
Dirk was. Dirk reinvented the position. I got to factor

(35:29):
that in. There have been a lot of great shooting
big men. They just there were a lot like Patrick Ewing.
We didn't know that he could shoot you know, eighteen
footers because he didn't do that at Georgetown, and he
got into the NBA and became more of an offensive
force than a defensive force. And he's, you know, probably
top five defensive players of all time in college basketball.

(35:52):
So there's there's a lot of big men who have played,
who have who have shown range. Larry Bird, is he
a big man six ' nine. He's as good as
anybody who's ever played. But like, what is it six '
ten makes you a big man or six eleven makes

(36:13):
you a big man?

Speaker 3 (36:14):
Yeah, Paul, I don't think.

Speaker 7 (36:15):
We should use height with this one because Durant was
never playing the big man role. He was always an
outside to end player. Novitzky started outside and then went
to the basket. He didn't you Guys like Jack Sickman,
Dan Issel and Bill Lambier and Bab McAdoo were listed
at center or power forward on the team, and they
started as post guys who expanded like sick Man was.

(36:36):
He looked like a ladder unfolding at seven feet out
there in the in the eighties. So I think those
are like centers who shot from deep, and I don't
look at Durant in the same way, he's a tall
guy who plays like a wing position here wing.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Well, you know you're taking guys who were centers who
could shoot outside as opposed to guys who would have
been centers in a different era, and now they're playing
the three or maybe the four.

Speaker 5 (37:01):
Yeah, Marsha, because there's a big difference between a big
man and a tall man like Durant and like even
like Sam Perkins. Those guys are a tall man. Yes,
guys like you were just saying Jack Sigma, even like
a Rick Smiths.

Speaker 6 (37:14):
Who could hit the open jumper. Yeah, those were big.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Man Travis in Green Bay, Hi, Travis, what's on your
mind today?

Speaker 14 (37:21):
Good morning, Dan. I have a question for you and
the dan Ads to chew on this morning. If if
what Lebron is saying is true, if he says that
it's Anthony Davis's team, shouldn't the Lakers be looking at
John cal Perry with that history with Anthony Davis and
that any record.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
No, no, no no, that.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
That NBA ship has sailed cali Perry is a college
coach and now going to Arkansas.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
He'll Jon is coming up.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
I mean all I ask him, whence you know, did
he give it any thought, when's the last time he
gave thought to coaching in the NBA, because he certainly
had opportunities. I'm just curious what he thought with Dan
Hurley at his age thinking about coaching in the NBA. Yeah,
because John didn't have a good run. You know, it
came down to if they drafted Kobe instead of Kerrie Kittles.

(38:13):
Is it too soon to ask coach calab don't forget
up first. David in La, Hi, David, what's on your mind?

Speaker 15 (38:20):
Hello?

Speaker 8 (38:20):
Dan?

Speaker 6 (38:21):
I did.

Speaker 8 (38:21):
I was fortunate enough to have seen Willie Mays play
baseball in nineteen sixty six. My father had been offered
his company's box at Chase Stadium on a night when
the San Francisco Giants were in town facing the Mets.
And I've got to say I was as transfixed as
you or Tim Kirchin just watching Willie take that in

(38:43):
practice from the rail there. But regarding the Polo Grounds,
my first baseball game was in sixty three, and that
was the mets temporary home before they got their new
stadium in Queen's And that oblique structure in center field
described by Seaton also doubled as the clubhouse, and I
can still remember a starting pitcher for the Mets. I

(39:05):
think it was Tracy Stallard getting knocked out of a
game and having to make that long five hundred foot
walk of shame to the showers.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Didn't Tracy Stallard give up Roger Merris's sixty first home run?
So yes, yeah, Tracy Stallard. Would you rather be remembered
that you gave up something like that or not be.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
Remembered at all?

Speaker 16 (39:29):
Marvin, I know, Ralph Branker, you do, yeah, Seatan, I
don't need to read remembered for that.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
That you gave up a legendary home run.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
I mean, it's cool, I guess, but it is a
certain place in history, like you.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Got to be there in the moment facing Roger Marris
at Yankee Stadium.

Speaker 4 (39:52):
See, I don't mind if it's just like, if it's
a landmark home run that was like, ah, look, this
was there, you know, sixtieth home run or whatever it is,
that's fine. But if it was like, hey, remember when
you gave up that home run to lose the World Series?

Speaker 3 (40:07):
That's to me.

Speaker 4 (40:08):
They're not all created equally, you know, Yes, Todd, I
think I'd.

Speaker 17 (40:11):
Be on the wrong side of history regardless of what
it was.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
You just want to be remembered.

Speaker 17 (40:15):
Yeah, yeah, even though you were a part of something terrible.
I totally understand what Seten said. I'd rather be just
a milestone homeworn than losing the whole championship because of
something you did. But you're part of something that's going
to be forever in lores or what.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
Not, and that speaks to your role on this show.
I guess it might not be great, but somehow never
be remembered. You're going to be remembered memorable.

Speaker 17 (40:35):
For such a horrible thing. How could you have possibly
said or have done that?

Speaker 3 (40:38):
Yeah, but you know it's happened for over two decades.

Speaker 6 (40:42):
Why not, So just embrace it at this point.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Yeah, what do you think you're going to be remembered
for in life or this show?

Speaker 3 (40:48):
This show?

Speaker 17 (40:51):
I'd like to think that from a positive stepput that
I put myself out there, even two huge levels of embarrassment.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
It's the beard staying it's not stand okay.

Speaker 6 (41:00):
This is just I'm just having a little fun with it.
It is not a long term Who is.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
The guy from Popeye? Is it brutus Y?

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Yeah? You look like brutus No, No, he had the
beard I know you're doing. You don't have to put
up with me too much longer. Todd only three and
a half.

Speaker 6 (41:18):
We can hang in there.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
We can do that, can we?

Speaker 6 (41:20):
I think we can? You can?

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Can I do it? Jamal Crawford to Turner's Sports, will
join us. Is JJ Reddick the right guy for the Lakers?
And John Caliperi will join us his thoughts on Dan
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