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July 23, 2024 42 mins

Dan reports that the reality of an 18-game NFL season is undeniable, even if it won’t begin until the end of the decade. And he speaks to Andrew Marchand, senior writer for The Athletic, about the changes happening in media rights deals with the proliferation of streaming services.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Final Hour on this Tuesday, Dan and the Dan. It's
Dan Patrick Show. I saw this headline yesterday, and of
course I clicked on it because that's the clickbait that
they want TNT Sports plans to match Amazon's media rights package,
forcing NBA stare down. That doesn't sound like good news.
They're going to match Amazon's media rights forcing an NBA

(00:28):
stare down. If I'm TNT, do I want to stare down?
If I'm the league office, do I want to stare down?
I would want TNT to still be involved in the
media rights. Here, we'll talk to a media reporter writer
who's knee deep in this. Andrew Marshawn will join us
coming up in a little bit. We'll separate fact from fiction.

(00:51):
Just got this note from a friend at the Players Association.
The NFL Players Association has engaged in high level discover
Ussians with the NFL about the potential implementation of an
eighteen game regular season schedule. This according to the nflpa's
executive director, Lloyd Howell. He met with the Washington Post

(01:13):
reporters and editors and said that talks between the union
and the league haven't progressed to formal negotiations, but the
discussions between the two sides, which have not been previously reported,
indicate the latest pursuit by the league and team owners
of an eighteen game schedule has moved beyond the hypothetical stage.

(01:39):
To no one's surprised. We've talked about this for years
that once they went to seventeen. I was told by
somebody with the league office that eighteen is a formality.
The question is when it happens, and it probably won't
happen till the end of this decade. I mean, it
might be twenty thirty one before we get there, but

(02:00):
we will get there to eighteen games. The question that
I've always had is will you build in another bye week?
Can you have two bye weeks? Let's be fair to
the players. We benefit, but once the player gets injured,
we move on that player playing eighteen games. Now, all
of a sudden, this is half the year that you're

(02:20):
playing football, training for football, and just to ensure that
we still have those great players who are able to play,
I think you're going to have load management. I think
the NFL will get to load management. As strange as
that may sound. Now, we already have that a little bit,
because you get to week seventeen or eighteen, you can
rest some of your players if you've already secured your

(02:42):
home field advantage, or you know you're going to win
your division, whatever it's going to be. But that is
a mere formality. But now they're making it semi official
publicly that the NFL Players Association have discussed this at
a very very very high level, not formal negotiations, and

(03:03):
that's where, Okay, we'll give you an eighteenth game. Now
what do the players get? Can we get more roster spots?
You know, is there anything here that you can go
back to your union and say, hey, we got you
this because it's another paycheck, but you know you need
more than that. The question is what can you ask?

(03:24):
What can you get? But yes, you're going to eighteen
game schedule, not anytime soon, but we are going to
get there. Good morning. If you're watching on Peacock, thank
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(03:48):
cities around America. US men hold off Germany. They win
ninety two to eighty eight. So now the rosters are
going to get frozen. On Thursday. Now you go into
battle and you open up with Serbia. Miami beats Memphis
in overtime, the Summer League title, and Jordan Love having
a hold in as he is looking for a contract

(04:11):
extension that will put him in the fifty to fifty
five million dollar range. Now, Jordan Love, he'll get paid.
Dak Prescott's going to get paid, and to a tonga
Iloa going to get paid. And that's the waiting game.
So Jerry Jones keeps waiting. You know that Dak Prescott's
going to get more than those players. Now if you
signed him, now, can you get him? Well, they should

(04:34):
have signed him before. But you know, the the financial
clock keeps ticking. Here at all of a sudden, Jordan
Love's going to be the highest paid quarterback in the
league until two it comes along and becomes the highest
paid and then Dak comes along. And here we are
again with the Cowboys with Dak with this contract, and

(04:55):
you play the waiting game unless you're moving on from Dak.
I just never understand that, hey, we're working on this.
Hey we're working on this. Hey we're and this is
a franchise that was all in. What exactly are they
all in on? Are they all in on not doing
anything in the off season because they've accomplished that except
for they brought in Zeke Elliott. But you went from

(05:18):
all in to Cede Lamb not going to be at camp,
Michael Parsons contract, and of course Dak Prescott. I'm just
curious what the financial logistics of this from Jerry Jones's
perspective is. And I know he's got other things. He's
got a paternity suit that he's dealing with, but I

(05:39):
would think that his son might be able to handle
the business portion of this. To get your star players,
if you the longer you wait, the more it cost you.
Imagine if you had signed c Ede Lamb how many
months ago before justin Jefferson, see, you might have saved
some money. Or Michael Parsons or Dak Prescott. I'm sure

(06:01):
that there's somebody far smarter than me that can tell
me know what the Cowboys are doing makes a whole
lot of sense.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yeah, Paulie, I could see them if Dak Prescott had
a great year last year, thirty six touchouts. But he
goes like every other year is a great year and
then it's either injury or not that great of a year,
gonna be thirty one. Once you sign him this next
contract that means the next five years.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Then just say you're not signing him.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
Well, they're not going to publicly say anything.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Well, it doesn't matter if you say it, you're going
to you're gonna do it.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
Right, But you could let him play out this season
if he regresses, you move on with no financial break.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
Why don't they say that? Now? Why don't they just
say we want him to play out this year? Like
what what is the logic of not doing anything, not
saying anything, not doing anything, kicking the.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
Can and preventing him holding out?

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Maybe, but well he's eventually going to realize that you're
not going to pay me. Now do you hold out
with the season? See, I think Dak would play no
matter what. I just don't understand. And if you don't,
if you don't want to keep him or you don't
want to sign him to that deal, then just say, look,
we're going to have you play this season. That's it.
You're gonna play this season. Okay, so then what do

(07:13):
you do with Mike Caparsons? What are they doing with him?
If they if they're not sure about Dak Prescott, what
are you doing with Mike Caparsons. That's what I'd like
to know. I'd like to understand the logic or ceedee lamb,
because the longer you wait, more receivers are getting paid
and the money goes up. Defensive players getting paid and
the price tag goes up. So I'm just trying to

(07:34):
understand the financial logistics here with the Cowboys. Yes see,
I don't know that.

Speaker 5 (07:40):
You can just tell somebody we're not paying you, but
play well this year.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Well you could say we're not going to pay you
this year. Yeah, I mean eventually he's gonna go uh
so we're not talking contract.

Speaker 5 (07:53):
No, not until the end of the season. But how
many years now has this kind of been the thing?

Speaker 2 (07:58):
I agree.

Speaker 5 (07:58):
I don't know that you can. I don't know that
you can really do that and expect like morale to
be high.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
But he's eventually going to get to that realization that
they're not going to pay him, and then he still
has to go out and play. I just don't understand
the logic. If you're not going to pay him, then
just say, we want you to play this season, Dak.
We want to see if you can put up another
MVP like season or whatever you want to say. So,

(08:29):
what are you doing with CD Lamb and what are
you doing with my Caparsons? So I let's separate Dak
Prescott here. Those two guys are going to get paid.
That's not one of those. Well, we need to see
a little bit more for that's because those two are
no brainers, but they're not paying them that. If it's
a no brainer, then pay them. Then ceedee, Lamb's not

(08:51):
in camp. You just let's try to take away as
many distractions as possible. That's what I don't understand. But
then that's why the Cowboys are the Cowboys. Yes, Paul, I.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
Would say that with Prescott, the risk is two ways.
With the Steel the Cowboys. If they didn't sign him
and let him play out the season, if he plays
poorly or regresses, they're in great shape. They can move
on in the position. Financially, If he plays really well,
which is the only way for him to get paid
is to play really well, he can be paid anywhere
he can go anywhere. That's the risk. So you're it's

(09:25):
a huge risk for the cowboy.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
You haven't seen enough where you go. I believe this
is the quarterback he is.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
Yeah, if he was twenty six not thirty one. I
think the age has a lot to do with Like
Parsons is a short thing because of his age. I
think with Prescott, if he's had a subpar season, regressed
and you said, I've seen his best work, I'm going
to pay two hundred and eighty million for the next
five years of it.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, but look what kirk Cousin Scott. I mean, Dak
Prescott can't be worried about getting paid. If kirk Cousins
can get paid like that coming off an Achilles injury,
I mean, come on, Dak will get paid. Somebody will
pay him somewhere.

Speaker 5 (10:04):
Yes, he'd I think part of the reason that kirk
Cousins got paid was because he didn't have this like
loyalty element to it. I want, he didn't really care
where he was at. Ultimately, he's like, if you're going
to pay me, then I'm going to go there. But
if they're going to pay me, then I'm going to
go there. And if you're going to pay me, then
I'm going to go over there. Dak's trying to stay
a cowboy, and there's this that sort of dangled over,

(10:25):
like being the Cowboys quarterback and staying there has been
an element to the negotiations that if he had just
been willing to go somewhere else and try to get paid,
maybe he would have.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Well, he'll get paid no matter where he goes, he will.
But loyalty is a two way street. So you eventually
have to realize Jerry Jones doesn't want you, and then
you'll go okay, like he can't go come on, please
love me, I'll stay. I want to be a Cowboy
for a lot. I mean, I don't think there's any
loyalty anymore in any of these sports. You want to

(10:59):
be the Cowboys quarterback, that's for sure, until they don't
want you to be the Cowboy quarterback, and then you go, okay,
I'll go elsewhere.

Speaker 6 (11:06):
Yes, marmon, Yeah, everyone should just treat this like a business,
because that's exactly what it is. You're loyal to like
your high school. You're not loyal to your pro sports
team that you play for. You play like your loyalty
is to the back of your jersey, not the front.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Okay, look at you? Sorry, yes, Tom.

Speaker 7 (11:22):
How much does Jack and or his agent equate being
the Dallas Cravers quarterback in terms of dollars When you're
negotiating money, it's like I'm taking a little less, but
I am the Cowboys quarterback, which leads to a B
and C in revenue.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Well, I thought that maybe the last time that would
factor in, and I even said to Dak, just get
it done. You make a lot of money off the field.
That's not the way agents work. They're not going, hey,
he makes a lot of money being the Cowboys quarterback. Hey,
we'll take a little less. A team friendly. What are
the Cowboys doing? If you're Dak Prescott? Where you go? Man?

(11:53):
I'm all in. You got cdee lamb, you know, not
showing up at camp. Michael Parsons once get paid. Mike
McCarthy might be on his last year there, Jerry is
certainly getting up there in years. And what have you
really accomplished other than you're a really good regular season team.
So there's a lot of things to factor in here.

(12:15):
But just trying to understand the logic because the last
time I said Jerry just signed Dak Prescott because if
you don't, he's going to cost you. So then how
much money did he cost you because you waited? I
just don't understand. If it's a no brainer, then make
it a no brainer instead of no blino. See what

(12:35):
I did with that? A little Spanish there, ago. Yeah.
The pole question for the final hour of this program
is what see don't con man?

Speaker 7 (12:42):
Dan?

Speaker 2 (12:43):
You know what?

Speaker 5 (12:43):
That's a hell of a question. That is a hell
of a good question.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Let me you don't have one? Yeah, no, I do.

Speaker 5 (12:50):
What I mean is it's a hell of a question
that we've asked. Oh, okay, should the NBA go with
summer league overtime rules? Want to guess the results?

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (13:01):
Sixty fifty fifty fifty? It's fifty point one to forty
nine point nine.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
I like it. I like that. That's it.

Speaker 5 (13:08):
That's a banger, yes, just barely barely edging out though.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Okay, people like that rule. I like that. I liked
I thought it was. It was a nice surprise last
night watching summer league basketball. Adam in West Virginia, Hi, Adam,
what's on your mind today? Hey? Dan?

Speaker 8 (13:26):
A couple of boat names and now you got a
quick question for you. Okay, how about the big po
and then this is Dan's boat?

Speaker 2 (13:38):
No, nope, we don't want to draw too much attention
to this is Dan's boat. But okay, now, what else?

Speaker 8 (13:47):
If you could have any interview you wanted over the
next four years, so you retire somebody that you've never had,
who would that be? And why?

Speaker 9 (13:56):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (13:56):
I would still take Michael Jordan. I just think there's
still a lot of there's a lot of topics that
you could explore a little deeper, but I would probably
need an hour, well hope for an hour with that.
But yeah, I would say Michael. I mean, we've had
just about everybody we've been very fortunate to have who

(14:20):
we want to have, but he's sort of the the
one that you would still that's going to bring about
headlines there.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
Yes, the update I have on the Michael Jordan interview
is not much, but I can recap about was it
three years ago when the Last Dance documentary came out?

Speaker 4 (14:38):
Three to four years ago?

Speaker 3 (14:39):
Four years ago when that was going on, we were
put in touch with the representative for Michael Jordan, the gatekeeper,
and she said not right now, And then I said,
how about once before Dan retires, and a response I
got was when the retirement date is set, get back
to me that year that's the last team.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
Okay, that's positive. That's not enough.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
It's not a no, it's not negative. Okay.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
So in two and a half years after email her back, Okay,
remind me, I think.

Speaker 7 (15:07):
As soon as the ball drops for twenty twenty seven,
she said that year am January first email.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
No, our contract is up in one point five years. Yeah.
I got to make sure I stay alive long enough
to be able to do that.

Speaker 6 (15:21):
Cross the fingers.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Okay, all right, let me take a break. I'm gonna
find out if TNT is still in the NBA business,
because I'm not sure the headlines match what was said yesterday.
And maybe when you see the expression could be headed
for a stare down with the NBA. It doesn't sound

(15:42):
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Speaker 2 (17:03):
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I saw the headline the Athletic Andrew Marshaan, TNT Sports
plans to match Amazon's media rights package, forcing NBA staredown. Now.
Andrew doesn't do the headlines, so the headline to me
was a little confusing. There. This doesn't sound like it's

(17:26):
a good day for TNT if you're headed for an
NBA staredown. But let's bring in Andrew Marshaan to explain.
Does your story match the headline and vice versa, Yeah, I.

Speaker 9 (17:37):
Think it does.

Speaker 7 (17:38):
Dan.

Speaker 9 (17:39):
TNT is matching Amazon Prime Videos completed contract with the NBA.
They feel like this is TNT. They have the right
to match based off of their contract right now, which
gives them back in rights, which means they can match
another deal. The NBA's contention. I believe they haven't said

(18:01):
this publicly yet. It is gonna be no, you can't.
We want to go with Amazon Prime Video. It's a
streaming deal that was a linear cable TV contract and
so this could be headed towards litigation. So I believe
the stare down headline for my editors is accurate.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Okay, is this a good day for TNT?

Speaker 9 (18:21):
Is it a good day? I wouldn't say it's a
good day, but I'd say that you know, they're playing
their last card, and in any negotiation, leverage is the key,
and so this is a chance to have maybe some leverage,
especially with the NBA likely not wanting to go to court.
I don't think TNT wants to go to court. So

(18:42):
you know, at the word you know the best, the
NBA says, yeah, it's your deal, We're gonna pass on
Amazon and go to TNT. I would find that highly
unlikely to happen. But could they say, well, yeah, you
did have these back end rights, we disagree, we want
to move on, we want a divorce. Here's one hundred
million dollar that's a for instance. So could they get
something out of this. Yeah, I think that's possible. And

(19:06):
so I think, uh, is it a good day for TNT?
I don't. We'll have to see, but it's a it's
a move that I can see why they made.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
How did we get to this point in the first place, Well.

Speaker 9 (19:18):
The NBA, I don't know, I want to call it
a mistake. But in the contract they have now uh,
they put in back end rights, which gives networks like
ESPN and TNT the rights to match conceivably in a
new deal. What's happened is you know that was those
deals were made a decade ago. Streaming wasn't what it
is now. So there's an argument to be made that

(19:39):
these contracts are completely different. And so, uh, the NBA
is our you know, wants to move on. I mean,
this is a weird like if they if they end
up with tn T, it's a weird circumstance. It's like,
you know, you telling your wife, I want a divorce,
but she's like, no, no, we have an agreement. I'm
going to stay together for another eleven years. So I
don't know how that actually plays out logically, but to me,

(20:03):
it really right now is a legal question. I've talked
to some people who've seen the contract. I don't know
the exact language in the contract, and they say that,
you know, if your TNT can look at it one way,
the NBA can look at it another way. Can they
find you know, some kind of settlement. I'd be very
surprised if Amazon doesn't end up with at least some
sort of package. And you know, I'd be a little

(20:23):
bit more surprised if TNT has a full package of games. Now,
can I get something out of this? This is why
they're playing this card.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
What leverage does Charles Barkley have?

Speaker 9 (20:34):
I mean, he has all a leverage in the world,
you know. I know Charles is on your show a lot.
You know, I talked to Charles sometimes as well, and
he has said that he wants to retire. Now most
people don't think he will do that, but he has
a long term contract with TNT Sports and he's down

(20:55):
in Atlanta and he loves the people there, so you know,
they have a lot of things that he could still
do for that. You know, the NCAA Tournament is something
that's still on tn T and TBS is air along
with CBS. He's involved with that. They have a lot
of other entities where they could use Barkley. You know,
could they in this what's going on right now between
the NBA and TNT. Could they get highlights where you

(21:17):
preserve inside the NBA so it keeps going or some
you know, a slimmer package where he continue with inside
the NBA. You know, I look the calculus with inside
the NBA. I don't think that really matters that much
to the NBA's executives because first off, these are eleven
year contracts. How much longer is inside the NBA as
it's currently composed, gonna go on for maybe three four

(21:40):
more years, five at most probably, And so it's not
really in the equation. But but Barkley, if he wants
to work, he's gonna get paid a lot of money.
Think Romo money if he wants to keep going, or
you can continue to work at TNT, where is a
long term contract.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Yeah, but he's he's far more valuable than Tony Romo is.
I mean he's.

Speaker 9 (22:02):
He is Yeah, I mean yeah, I would agree. I mean,
look the Romo contract that changed the industry. The reasons
for that happening was my day football was a disaster,
and the big thing was the rights negotiations for the
new NFL deals were coming up. ESPN Romo was the
biggest thing since John Madden at that point, they wanted
to steal him. It was right before the pandemic. So

(22:24):
the reason why that deal happened and now you know,
led to Tom Brady at three hundred and seventy five
million dollar contract. But yeah, you can argue for sure,
studio people, you know, your nature of your business, talk
show people, those are really the most important because they're
in terms of financially because they're building the content. The
content is the game when you're talking about a Romo situation.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Talking to Andrew Marsham, the Athletics senior writer covers sports media,
looking at these deals, we talked about streaming now and
the importance of streaming where we didn't know anything about
streaming eleven years ago. These leagues have to kind of
project out of what is going to be new, you know,

(23:06):
do we have any idea of what is going to
be new as far as consuming this in the next
you know, eight to eleven years, definitely.

Speaker 9 (23:15):
I mean, look, ESPN is going about the lean in
really heavily to try to move their business model, you know,
more towards streaming. They have a venture called Venue, which
they're teaming up with Fox Sports and with TNT Sports
where you can just get those three platforms in one
place and then they're going to go on their own.
So they're leading in Amazon obviously is a streaming only platform.

(23:38):
They have the NFL NBC's deal. The way it's going
to work is that Peacock is going to have exclusives
on Mondays, Tuesday is going to be on National TV
on broadcasts, and then Sundays after the NFL is going
to be on broadcasts. Then they're going to have a
plethora of playoffs and Amazon and NBC will rotate in
terms of conference finals every year. ESPN has it almost

(24:00):
every year of their eleven year deal. So yeah, that's
where the NBA wants to go. I mean that's clearly
they want Amazon's market cap. They want streaming because that's
where the future is, you know, cables being left behind.
And so yeah, this this deal is gonna be different.
I mean, regardless of what happens with tn T and
the NBA, this is gonna be NBC's back. I mean

(24:23):
that's the one thing that's like basically official now with yesterday,
with the Amazon being the target for tn T, the
NBC is back. You're gonna have the John Tesh song,
You're gonna have Tariko as the lead play by player,
No Eagles the number two. They'll get some analysts and
away they go.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
How good a summer has it been for the w
n b A.

Speaker 9 (24:43):
I mean, it's been amazing. You know, their timing is
not perfect because you know, as part of these NBA deals,
the w n b A is also involved, and so
you know, the networks they see the growth. I mean
the w n b A. I saw some early ratings
from the All Star Game, their eye popping from Saturday
Night with Kaitlyn Clark. So you know, if this was

(25:03):
two or three years down the road, I think they'd
be in an even better position. You know, executives aren't
really gonna pay more for what might be. They want
what is. And you know, the w n b A.
You know Caitlyn Clark, and we can talk about everything else.
Kaitlyn Clark's the difference everybody, and she is driving this
league and it's gonna make other teams more popular and

(25:25):
the sport broaden its base. But yeah, it's gonna see
an influx. But you know the one thing I think
is always lost in these discussions is when we talk
about the major leagues, the NFL, the NBA, UH base Baseball,
we act as if like they just started and they
were juggernauts and if you go back to Magic Bird,

(25:46):
you know, those games were on tape, the lay of
the finals before Magic and Bird, and then it grew
into Michael Jordan and that league. The league at that
point was about a quarter century, which is where the
w n b A is now, and that's where you
saw the exponential growth. You know, we had the legends
of Koozy and Pistol Pete and Wilt and all those people,
but they wasn't as big a business as it became.

(26:08):
And I think the WNBA might be having that same
short of maturation where you look at where it is
in its history.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Can the NFL be overexposed? Like can we have too much?

Speaker 9 (26:22):
It's it's right now, it's proven. No, you know, there's
no evidence to think that we don't want more NFL Now.
This year, the ratings will likely be down in the
NFL because of the presidential election. That's what we generally see.
But I think that will just be a hiccup because
of the focus on politics. But I don't think so.
I think with fantasy like, look, there's no graph that

(26:44):
goes just straight up and will football change. I do
think the thing that to watch is just the NFL's
investment in flag football, which you know, I don't think
football is. It's still gonna be tackle. But just the
game's change, does the audience not like that as much?
If it keeps changing and you know, becomes a little
bit less, you know, it already has a little less

(27:06):
Jack Lambert, Dick budkis Era. That's the one thing I
think that could change. But I feel like with gambling,
with fantasy football, with people have such passions for their teams.
And also it's the perfect TV sport it's once a week.
I always say this about baseball. If the Yankees played
once a week, what would the ratings be. They might
not be football ratings, they'd be pretty high. And so

(27:28):
I do think it has the advantage of just the
perfect once a week in terms of your favorite team,
and only three hours is really a perfect model these days.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Great to talk to you again, Andrew, thanks for joining us.
Thanks Danni's Andrew Marshall, the Athletic senior writer covering sports media.
We went through a time when we were doing Sports
Center where we were going to try to see if
we could give you too much Sports Center because Sports
Center was on constantly and I kept thinking, we're over
exposing Sports Center, and then I realized we weren't. Because

(28:00):
you get done with a sports Center be late night
or let's say Sunday night. We'd get done at midnight,
twelve thirty, it'd re air, then it would re air
in the morning, so everybody who couldn't stay up, they
could get up watch it before they went to school.
And I mean that was Steve Bornstein, who was my boss,
and I remember him saying this. He goes, what if

(28:21):
we just put Sports Center on in the morning, And
I thought, God will be over exposed, and he said, no,
everybody is going to have their time slot. When they
get up, they're having breakfast. Maybe your son or daughter
didn't get to see it late at night, and he
was right. He was right. Now I think, I mean,

(28:42):
they missed the boat now because they used to cash
in on having personalities. Then they didn't want to have personalities.
Now they're desperate for personalities. But it feels like so
much has happened with Sports Center that it's just not
the same. And I don't say this because I used
to work there during the glory days. I've watched this
unfold for years. It's just different. How we consume sports

(29:05):
I didn't have to worry about social media when we
did Sports Center. You were tuning in to actually get
the scores and highlights your team. Now you know that.
Now sports Center has the tricky job Scott Van Pelt
of Now what do I give you? That's different, and
you know Scott has done a great job with that.
But overall, with Sports Center, you probably know pretty much

(29:27):
what's going on before you see it, and we didn't.
We didn't have to have that as an opponent. You
tuned in to watch us do Sports Center and give
you the highlights. Speaking of Sports Center, Todd has a
Sports Center tease today I do. Yeah, yeah, nobody asked
for it, but I came in today. Todd has now
reminded me. In fact, I was walking in from shooting

(29:48):
hoops and Todd had act like he dropped his Sports
Enter tees on the floor, accidentally.

Speaker 7 (29:52):
Purposely dropped it by where you were going to walk
through there.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Yes, and I saw it, and you go, oh, that's
my Sports Center tees that passive aggressive.

Speaker 7 (29:58):
I don't know was that.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
I'm ready for it? Okay, okay, can we get the
music here.

Speaker 5 (30:03):
It's funny too, because if Todd had done that on
the air, it would have by far been the funniest
thing he had done. But he chose to do it
not on the air, as I often do, I should.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Say yes, a lot of your funny stuff. Yes, is
bad timing.

Speaker 7 (30:16):
I gotta work on this one day.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Here we go.

Speaker 7 (30:25):
They're balking in Memphis, how the Grizz fizzled out versus
the summer heat, and ot it's good to be the king.
How lebron took control Team USA once again in a
gem versus Germany. They say they love him and Lambeau.
So why won't the pac take a leap of faith
and bring Jordan to bed beg borrow and deal what
it took to ready Joe's wrist and we camp out
with the Eagles? Will Saquan soor with the division rival?

(30:45):
Is he more barkley than bite? Salute the commanders? Why
some say James game will conquer Calib's psychotherapy? What got
the Royals riled when Wit got snakepit by the d
Backs while they quite Kershaw the Dodger say, Kling's ready
to get back in the bump and is a game
set match for T and T we take him in
out the NBA's media writes, mats don't what the ending

(31:06):
was supposed to be was and Olympic ceremonies are about
to open in Paris. Don't close the door on US
Sports Center.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
No, you totally blew that a little too long. Balk off.

Speaker 5 (31:15):
Yes they're balking in Memphis. Yeah, go figure you over writing?

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yeah, yeah, twenty words? Yes? Did you time this sound?
Did you rehearse this?

Speaker 7 (31:27):
I rehearsed it briefly. I was so excited about the
other lines. I was like, I have to find a
way to read this fast and get it in. It's
hard on the fly like that. It's not a taped thing.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Always go less, not more sports on to do this live.

Speaker 7 (31:38):
These days, I'm pretty sure they put that on tape
and then it doesn't time it right. They probably get
a second chances.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Okay, next time you tape your Okay, that's timed.

Speaker 5 (31:48):
That's been the problem with the songs is that we
make todd to do those live, like the Olivia Newton
John thing. If only he had the ability to record that,
that's right, then.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
If only we have recording equipments radio, come sah.

Speaker 7 (32:01):
We'll do things with my voice, like they say with
the press.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Right, you recorded this, I did, don't google, let's just
try to. You had a chance to do this again,
and you chose not to. You said, nope, no, I
think we got it.

Speaker 7 (32:17):
That speaks to matching the notes, but also to even
sound better. I'm pretty sure even the best in the
business they have ways of making the actual singers sound better.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
We do too. We can help you. I don't know
we have those kind of yeah, we do. We have
the equipment here, Yes, Marvin.

Speaker 6 (32:31):
The best thing was the big german was in the
bag while he's recording this for the first time, and
the big German tells Weeks and all of us out here, guys,
he needs to hear the music. The Weeks goes, he
does hear the music, and he just keeps going.

Speaker 5 (32:44):
Commercial because when you're in your car, it sounds way
better than this, right.

Speaker 7 (32:50):
It's very true.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Or the shower. Yeah, this is this is deplorable. I
mean this is terrible.

Speaker 7 (32:58):
I kill it the way every time in the show
all right gets standing ovations. That's cheering and encores and everything.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Is very high. I don't want to know about your
standing ovation in the shower. Okay, bloop, let me take
a break, last call for phone calls, what we learn,
what's in store tomorrow?

Speaker 1 (33:16):
After this, be sure to catch the live edition of
The Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six
am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio WAPP.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Last call for phone calls, what we learn? Once in
store tomorrow. You know what I've learned. Paul Feinbaum does
not like Lincoln Riley at least as a coach, because
I saw the latest. It's not a report, it's his opinion.
And Paul works for ESPN and Gain Day. He's a
college football analyst, and he talked about Dion Sanders would

(33:48):
be the perfect fit at USC to take over for
Lincoln Riling. And my thought was, how about we see
if Dion can coach at Colorado first before we want
to send him to USA. Plus, there's a huge buyout
for Lincoln Riley at USC. Let's just slow down with
Dion because they're over under I think is five and
a half wins this year. It's not exactly the guy

(34:11):
that I want. Put him in that situation there at
USC and say all right, now, you make some magic.
If you can't do that at Colorado and Colorado, you know,
I thought this would be the year that maybe they're
you know, eight win team something like that, and they
probably should be in the you know, the big twelve.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
Yeah, Poland remember the tennis player Anakrnerkova. Yes, a lot
of coverage, a lot of drama.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Remember, not ever forgot it.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
Not a lot of results. That's Colorado football right now.
There's a lot going on. They're very entertaining. They get
a lot of coverage.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
I want to see how many times game day and
the big noon kickoff and Lil Wayne and everybody else
goes out there this year. That's what I want to say.

Speaker 6 (34:53):
Yeah, Mark, if they start out two and zero, everyone's
everyone's back on, everyone's back on.

Speaker 8 (34:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (34:59):
Oh wait, quick on Yeah, if they win like eleven games,
will they be talking them getting into the playoff. I'm
not saying they will, but save Colorado. Yes, eleven wins, Yes,
what about ten? Where it's like, but it's Colorado and
you're trying to do TV.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
I'd have to know everybody else. I'd have to know
the landscape there just to be fair to it. But
you know, are they going to get more attention? Yes?
The question is is it good attention? This year? Now
the expectation level is higher. It's not Josey. Look at them.
They beat TCU. Hey, they barely beat Colorado State. Now

(35:43):
they're losing to everybody, and they won four games. Nobody
in the history of the sport has received more attention
positive attention than Dion did for winning just four games.
He was the Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year. What
do we do? Yeah, give him some time. But you

(36:04):
know his son's going to go to the NFL, Travis Hunter.
They're two way player go to the NFL. That's when
people are speculating how long is Deon going to stay?
And I don't think USC is going to bounce out
of Lincoln Riley and bounce into Deon Sanders. That to
me doesn't make a lot of sense. Yes, boy, I've.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
Got Colorado's schedule here, and it's very weird because they
don't play any heavyweights, like big, huge games, but they
play a lot of games where they could lose North
Dakota State in game one. That's not a throwaway, no anyway,
Oh that's a good game at Nebraska. Now it's not
Nebraska of twenty years ago, but they're probably gonna be better.
Colorado State Week three away Baylor home. I mean Central Florida,

(36:48):
Kansas State, Arizona, Cincinnati, all decent football.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
This isn't a tough schedule.

Speaker 4 (36:54):
It's not tough, but it's like they don't play any pushovers.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
They should be a lunch better or how many games
are they going to be favored in? That's what I'd
be curious because last year, I don't know if they
were favored in any game. And I mean people pretty
much projected how they were going to be They won
four games.

Speaker 6 (37:14):
Yes, Mark, I'm gonna push back on the sportsman of
the Year coming. I'm an give him Sportsman of the
Year because he had us up at two o'clock in
the morning watching Colorado Colorado State.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Here was another thing that was brought to my attention.
It's like, and this is a USC person and they said,
you know, you keep talking about USC going into the
Big Ten. Who exactly are we afraid of in the
Big Ten? And I said, no, I'm talking about the
schedule that you travel to all these places. You're not traveling,

(37:45):
you know, across town, maybe to Arizona, Arizona State. Now
you're going to you know, Rutgers. I mean, it's a
little bit different. Now. Do I think the Big Ten
is the big bad Big Ten?

Speaker 10 (37:58):
No?

Speaker 2 (37:58):
I don't. I mean minnesot they're not good, Wisconsin kind
of hit or miss, Northwestern, e Purdue, Indiana, Rutgers. So
you're worried about Michigan who you face? Penn State, big

(38:22):
disappointment every year they don't beat quality team. See you
got Ohio State, you don't even face so high Like,
So what am I worried about other than the travel
part of this going into the Big Ten?

Speaker 9 (38:35):
Like?

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Am I worried about anything? Schools? And the more you
think about it, what is the Big Ten? It's Michigan
and Ohio State, occasionally Wisconsin occasionally Penn State. Who else
is in there? Where you go Maryland? I mean that's
the Big Ten. Michigan State, they've been inconsistent. I'm not worried.

(38:58):
I mean, I might worry about defense like they did
last year, and you don't have Caleb Williams this year.
But I mean I'm not looking at this like I
would the SEC. If I'm Texas going into the SEC,
or I'm USC going into the Big Ten, I'd much
rather be USC going into the Big Ten because Texas

(39:18):
and Oklahoma going into the SEC buckle up, and it
looks like Florida State and Clemson will not be leaving
the ACC at least this upcoming season. Good luck. What
a mess? A mess? Yes, Marmon, poor Florida State.

Speaker 6 (39:41):
I still feel really bad for I'm going undefeated and
still not getting into the top four.

Speaker 8 (39:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (39:45):
I know if they were in the SEC, obviously they
would have been. If they were in any other conference,
the Big Ten, would they have gotten in yees?

Speaker 2 (39:53):
Yeah, yeah. We don't respect the ACC.

Speaker 6 (39:56):
So what was the difference when Clemson was getting in
the playoffs?

Speaker 2 (40:00):
I think we view them as that they were year
and in, year out great and that you knew if
you invested in them, that they were going to play
maybe for a national title or win a national title.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
Yes, Paul, isn't it wild how different the NFL in
college football is. College football completely changes from year to year,
different rules. It's a mess all the time with different things.
The NFL's just streamlined the games on the same time
every year.

Speaker 4 (40:24):
They're nothing like each other at a sport.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
Well, but you have the NFL has a blueprint here,
college football doesn't their blueprint. The ink keeps running on it,
and they're like, they got to come up with another
blueprint the NFL. It is idiot proof. It's like, here's
what you do. If you're a bad team, you get
an easier schedule. If you're a good team, you get
a tougher schedule. We want parody here. Yes, Todd, I

(40:50):
kind of.

Speaker 7 (40:51):
Agree with Paul. It does seem like they're almost a
one eighty in some ways with the scheduling and everything
about it, the chaos of college sports and the consistency
that we look forward to.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
Well, let's see it settles when they finally get the
blueprint that says, all right, we got fifty teams and
they're going to be strategically placed in divisions, and then
we're going to narrow this down and we're going to
have you know, one big super Bowl like the NFL eventually. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (41:14):
See, I love when things go full circle, that they
go right back to the solution to the problem is
exactly the way they started. Yeah, that's why it's called
the Southeastern Conference. That's why it's called the Pack. That's
why it was given regional names and wasn't called like
the Big America Conference. Yes, yes, because they were based

(41:36):
on regions that then people would play, and then maybe
they play against each other.

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