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October 29, 2024 41 mins

Dan talks about the criteria used to determine who the MVP in the NFL is this season and how reputations can affect voting. Plus, former NFL DT and sports broadcasting legend Mike Golic drops by to talk some pigskin.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Don't be that guy, you know, the guy, he's already
making plans for the parade. He's already saying it's over.
The Yankees can't come back. Don't be that guy. Don't
tempt fate. I know historically the numbers are on your side,
but the Yankees, with two more games here at home,

(00:27):
maybe Aaron Judge gets going, maybe the Yankees start to
look like the Yankees. But it would help if they
had a better pitch selection location for Freddie Freeman, who's
now homered in five consecutive World Series games. All right,
final hour on the way. We'll talk to Big Mike Gullick.
He'll join us a little bit. We say good morning.
If you're watching on Peacock, thank you for downloading the

(00:49):
app and our radio affiliates around the country. So the
Dodgers hold on to beat the Yankees. Got a little
more interesting late in the game and the ninth inning,
but they're up three to zero in the series tonight. Right,
Game four, temperature should be in the upper fifties, mid
fifties by first pitch at eight oh eight, Eastern Steelers
beat the g Men, Pittsburgh is now six and two

(01:11):
on the year. I'm looking at the schedule, they have
a bye week. Second half is pretty demanding here, or
at least the appearance on paper is pretty demanding. But
once again, you're going to have another winning record for
Mike Tomlin. But you know they may limp towards the
finish line here. You know, it feels like the last

(01:33):
couple of years, the media has been it's wishful reporting
that they want Josh Allen to be the MVP. And
I always felt like, you know, they were asking him
to do too much in Buffalo and or the expectation
level was extremely high. Is he as valuable to his
team as Patrick Mahomes is, Yeah, you can make that argument,

(01:56):
but Mahomes is winning super Bowls. Josh Allen hasn't been one.
Yem This is the year though. Josh Allen is truly,
to me, heads above everybody for MVP, and you know
the voting may not show that, but for me, if
I look at the MVP odds, he's tied with Lamar
Jackson right now. He's had one interception, I think, fourteen

(02:19):
touchdowns and one interception. The team has played well that
win in Seattle. To me, you know, people probably didn't
watch or didn't care, and it might be one of
those oh wow, they really they dominated Seattle in Seattle,
and that said a lot to me to travel and
play that well, and it was never in doubt. But

(02:41):
he is the MVP in my opinion right now. Now
that's not to say Lamar Jackson hasn't been great, because
I think you could make the case he's better this
year at this point than he was in the two
previous years when he won the MVP. Mahomes is in there,
you know, his value I think is probably get I

(03:03):
guess we look at that value differently because it's not
the numbers for Patrick Mahomes, it's the numbers for these
other players. You know, Jared Goff, he's got great numbers.
It's the threat of Mahomes that to me makes him that,
you know, high MVP candidate Jalen Hurts is a distant

(03:24):
fifth here on the MVP list, But to me, Josh
Allen is your MVP and Lamar Jackson that is a
really good offense. And you know you're running the ball,
you're passing the ball, although I you know, for the
life of me can't believe that you have, you know,
John Harball having a defense that is this bad and
you let Jameis Winston Reughew up.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
Yes, mart is the prerequisite for Coach of the Year
and MVP like eight, your team can't be too good
for you to get that award.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Well, Mahomes is here, I mean he's up high and
he hasn't played great. They're undefeated.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
Maybe I'm talking about like talent around.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
I think that maybe that's where you look at Coach
of the Year in the NBA. Phil Jackson only won
it once because well, he's got all that talent. Chuck
Nole never won it. Well he's got all that talent. Yeah,
I think that that may factor in. Like brock perty,
I don't know how. I don't know his value because
he got all that talent around it, so we hold

(04:26):
that against him. And sometimes to incorporate all that talent
and make it all work is challenging in its own right.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yes, that's almost like Tom Brady in two thousand and seven.
They had to go undefeated in order for him to
win the MVP Award. They couldn't go thirteen and three.
You had to be unbelievable for him to win the
MVP Award when you have Randy Moster throw too.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah, but it's tricky when people that you know you
have a different definition. It's open to interpretation. If you're
voting on NBA or baseball or football, you have voters
who are looking at different things. The criteria is different
for a voter, and they don't have anything that says,
here's your pamphlet you're going to be voting, this is

(05:09):
what you need to factor in. Even the Heisman. I'm
not told factor this in or don't factor that in.
It's open to your interpretation, which I do like it.
But I do think if you vote on these awards,
your vote should be made public. You should stand behind it.
I was proud to tell people who I voted for.

(05:31):
I was proud to be able to vote on all
these awards, and I had no problem saying this is
why I voted for this player, this is why I
didn't vote for that player. And I think if you
have the honor, you sign up for it. Therefore, it
leads to more discussion. And if I'm the NBA, I

(05:52):
want that or baseball or football, I want people talking, discussing, arguing.
I think it's good for sports where you talk about that, Hey,
Lamar Jackson MVP. Yeah, but he didn't do anything in
the postseason. That's not what this is based on. Hey,
Joker is not going to win MVP until he does
something in the playoffs. Okay, if that's your criteria, Jannis,

(06:15):
We're not going to give him MVP until he wins
a championship. They gave Joe ellen beat An MVP and
he wasn't the MVP in my opinion, but they gave
it to him. I thought that there was a media
backlash of, oh my god, Joker is going to win
a third MVP. We can't have that happen. He's not
Larry Bird, And I went, you guys are moving the

(06:37):
goalpost here, or you're moving the basket on him. He
was the best player in basketball. I also think he
came to the reality. It didn't take long where he said,
you know what, we're not that good this year in Denver.
Now he's scoring forty points a game because he needs to.
But yeah, I don't argue with people if they're willing

(06:59):
to stand behind you know that this is why I voted,
or you know, I'll engage with that because I like
when you have passion, This is why I voted for
that person. Now if you say I didn't vote for
this guy because well he wins or he's won it before,
that's not what you do. And Lamar Jackson, to me,

(07:20):
I think will be hurt this year because what he
hasn't done in the postseason, whereas Mahomes will get more
credit because what he has done in the postseason. Yes pulling.

Speaker 5 (07:29):
It's almost like Mahomes is at the stage where his
reputation is the MVP candidate, because if you look at
his stats, is he has eight touchdown passes and nine picks.
His quarterback rating is twenty third in the league. He's
behind Aaron Rodgers in quarterback rating, but his reputation is
the MVP candidate and the fact that they still win,
that's the level he's reached.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Nikola Jokich had forty points in an overtime win against
the Raptors, so he's had back to back forty point
plus games. Last night, Pallo Bancaro the second youngest player
in NBA history to have at least fifty ten rebounds
five assists in a game. The other person is Lebron James.

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I know that, you know, I said, don't be that
guy when it comes to the Dodgers, and you know,
sweeping plan the parade, all of those things. Dave Roberts,

(08:45):
Dodger manager, asked this question.

Speaker 7 (08:48):
You're one of the few people on earth who know
what it's like to come back from a three to
zero deficit.

Speaker 8 (08:52):
Don't talk about wrong guy way too early.

Speaker 7 (08:56):
What do you remember about your mindset going into that,
and what maybe did you learn from that that you
can take into it now that you're on the other side.

Speaker 8 (09:03):
I don't want to divulge any secrets, but from the
other side, I just think that we have got to
stay focused, stay urgent. I think offensively, to be quite honest,
we left a lot of runs out there tonight. Still
found a way to win a ballgame, and there's just
got to be urgency. I just don't want to let

(09:23):
these guys up for air.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
That's the key, the word urgency. Go up to the
plate and make something happen, be on the mound, make
something happen. Don't wait for it to happen. Certainly at
Yankee Stadium, you just don't want the Yankees to all
of a sudden pop out and they're up three or
four nothing, because then you change, then they change. You
want to keep them on their heels. You stay on

(09:47):
your toes. You put them on their heels, and whatever
you do, do not make a mistake. To judge, do
not keep him where he's guessing, thinking in his head,
and take that misery up to the plate every time,
because the Moury goes up there and the more he fails,
the more it's in his head. And you just don't
want to let all it takes. Sometimes it's not even

(10:10):
a home run, it's like a bleeder. It's like find
the gap, just something where you probably didn't deserve it,
but you did. The baseball gods are with you. Do
not make a mistake. Don't make a Freddie Freeman pitch mistake,
as the Yankees have done. Fresh in Milwaukee is back.
We'll try it again.

Speaker 9 (10:30):
Hi Fresh Yo, This is fresh in Milwaukee, Yo. DP.
I got two complaints. First of all, how come the
Dallas Cowboys keep playing like they just left Old Country buffet.
Put the fork down somebody and put some speed on
this field. And second of all, what's going on with
this soft NBA? Man? Can we put the era debate

(10:54):
to rest? Now? Joel to be already, You're gonna play
no back to the backs, There's no trap, no carrying
the money is astronomical. What's happening with the NBA isn't
worth watching?

Speaker 2 (11:08):
That's up to you, Fresh. I think that you know,
the three point shot has really damaged the NBA. Those
who do it well do it at a very high level,
and some of the greatest shooters who have ever played.
The problem is everybody else. Basketball is about movement. Look,
I'm gonna sound like to get off my lawn, but

(11:31):
I think there's too much. I can't say too much
of a good thing because I don't think it and
I love to shoot deep, but it just feels like,
you know, the Celtics are putting up fifty to sixty
three pointers and great, granted they're a really good shooting team.
It's all the other teams that then want to try
to be the Celtics or all the players who want

(11:52):
to be Steph Curry. I just this feels like an
all or nothing, just like baseball. It's the three point
shot and that's it. You either hit it or you don't.
Baseball you either hit it or you don't. And that
baseball finally got back to movement where the bases are bigger.
Now we're stealing bases. Now, there's more movement in the game.

(12:16):
Maybe they'll get around eventually too. We don't need to
have somebody throwing one hundred miles an hour and having
a couple of Tommy John's. I would be happy with that.
But with basketball, if it's always been predicated on movement
without the ball, now it's just stand around. I would
love to see, you know, if you got back to
dunks were three points, although we were dunk heavy back

(12:41):
in the nineties, like it felt like everybody was dunking,
So I'm not sure. I don't know how you do
this if you're able to have a rule that changes
so you don't have as many threes. But I would
love to see movement like backdoor cuts, like just pick
and rolls, little simple mid range jumpers instead of everybody

(13:05):
just kind of gearing up on the perimeter. Yeah, pulling.

Speaker 5 (13:07):
I went back and look the twenty twenty three to
twenty four regular season, the two NBA teams with the
most three point attempts per game, the Celtics at forty
two attempts per game and the Mavericks at forty attempts
per game.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah, it's just a lot, but look, the Celtics won
the Magic, made the playoffs. I get it. It doesn't
mean it's just sthetically pleasing. You know, baseball, I'm gonna
throw it one hundred and then you try to hit it,
you know, one hundred miles an hour. That's not great baseball.
I mean it's kind of one dimensional. And baseball you

(13:44):
got nine players movement and I'll hit and run, bunt
going the other way, stealing bases, all of those things.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
Yeah, Mark JJ Redding should win Coach of the Year.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
Last night I watched the Lakers Suns and there was
a back door cut to Austin Reaves and I was like,
I can't even believe that happened. Instead of standing around
to watch Lebron but.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
I don't know if you win Coach of the Year
because of that unlikely? Yeah, and why did you vote
for him? They did a back door pass and back
in late October Austin Reeves did it.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
It was a play out of time out. He took
a chance out of his pocket. Whoa look at that.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
He's getting credit for things coaches are supposed to do.
As opposed to Darvinham would be like, uh, I don't know,
call a timeout. Sure, what do you want to talk about?
JJ Reddick getting credit because he's bringing his tablet to
the car washed, getting his car washed, he's looking at plays.

Speaker 5 (14:40):
We always make the joke that when coaches don't use timeouts,
you can't carry him over the next day.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Women.

Speaker 5 (14:45):
What if each team got a hundred timeouts per season
and you got to space them out over eighty two
games or one hundred and fifty.

Speaker 10 (14:51):
I don't know what it would be.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
I don't want them taking more time out, so it
would be less. I want less timeouts. How about you
really utilize those timeouts because you do get the TV
timeouts as well. But yeah, you're right, It's like I
don't want to encourage more threes or more timeouts. I
can I can do without that, yes.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
Mark, And it's the replay also like no, thank.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
You, Yeah, just get instant replay correct when you use
instant replay. I'm looking at these numbers. Average viewership Game
two of the World Series Dodgers and Yankees in Japan
sixteen million, average viewership in America thirteen point eight million.

(15:37):
So more people in Japan are watching the World Series.
What is the population of Japan?

Speaker 5 (15:43):
We're playing the Population Japan game and play that in years.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Oh, Todd is I mean, Todd is our magna kum
lade in here? Do you have any idea the population
of Japan?

Speaker 11 (15:57):
Todd forty seven point three, Miss, I have no idea, clearly.

Speaker 12 (16:03):
Okay, let's start with I'm going to go one hundred
and forty seven million.

Speaker 11 (16:07):
Oh all right, I'm gonna give you a hint.

Speaker 5 (16:09):
Okay, the population of the United States estimate three hundred
and forty six million.

Speaker 4 (16:15):
Half of that in taxes, so closest to the whole.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Okay, go over. Okay, So Seatan's already made his guess.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
What was it?

Speaker 5 (16:22):
One forty seven?

Speaker 2 (16:23):
I let's say one.

Speaker 12 (16:24):
I really only picked the forty seven and I want
to add one hundred to just show how wrong I believe.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
The time is. Okay, Marvin, how many people live in Japan?

Speaker 4 (16:33):
Two hundred and eight million to eight.

Speaker 5 (16:37):
I'm gonna go, uh one eighty four five? My god,
I just counted them all up. It's one hundred and
twenty four million people living in Japan.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
Okay on twenty four strong, so that's suburbs included.

Speaker 5 (16:55):
That's one third the population of the United States. That
means the ratings are three times what ours old. I
got a headche saying that.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Ye wait, what are you doing?

Speaker 10 (17:03):
I don't even know if that was right?

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Yeah it sounded right, Yeah, thank you? All right, Uh,
let me take a break. Big Mike Golick is going
to join us. Coming up, what's he think of Josh
Allen MVP, who had a worst week, Anthony Richardson with
the Colts or Tyreek Stevenson with the Bears. We're back
with Big Mic after this.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
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Speaker 2 (17:34):
More phone calls coming up, seton would you update the
poll results? Then? We'll bring in big Mike Golick.

Speaker 12 (17:42):
Yep, sure we got two of them working right now?

Speaker 4 (17:44):
All right?

Speaker 12 (17:45):
Uh, let's see. One foot tap twice should be impressive,
but no catch or a catch.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Right now.

Speaker 12 (17:55):
That is fifty to fifty down the middle. Not even
like fifty point one. It is fifty fifty right down
the middle. One foot tap twice should be impressive, but
no catch or a catch.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
You can't split right down the middle.

Speaker 5 (18:07):
I don't think it should.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
It should be. It's two feet. It's not right and left,
but it doesn't say that.

Speaker 12 (18:13):
Is two Is it two feet or is it one
foot twice?

Speaker 2 (18:17):
It's still if I if I add one plus one,
it's two feet, but the rule says both feet. That's
where they kind of get around the gray area.

Speaker 5 (18:27):
Yes, Paul, it would be unfair if there was ever
a one footed wide receiver in the league, he would
never be able to complete a catch right as a
one eyed person.

Speaker 11 (18:34):
I can make that joke.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Mike Gollick, co host of Gojo and Golic on DraftKings Network,
former defensive line Look what you walked into.

Speaker 10 (18:48):
I think it's harder to tap the same foot twice,
I agree, than to get two feet down, So I mean,
technically you should allow that because it is definitely harder
to do. It was stunning to watch that to see
the left foot never hit the ground when it had
room to hit the ground.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah, but it says both feet so that's where the
language is there, and it's pretty simple. So no touchdown there. Okay,
who had a worst week? Anthony Richardson or the Bears
defensive back Tyreek Stevenson.

Speaker 10 (19:24):
Well, I mean, Anthony Richardson has been having a rough year,
so I mean it's kind of becoming a cumulative effect
on what Shane Syken is going to do. I'm actually
calling that game them in Minnesota this Sunday night for
Westwood One, and you know, Shane Styken certainly is not
given a vote of confidence as Anthony Richardson as the starter.

(19:48):
But that's been cumulative the mistakes that were made in
the Bears game, and not just Tyreek Stevenson, I mean
was the optics were horrible of him, you know, getting
on the crowd, but then to physically make the mistakes
they made at the end of the play, you box out,
you have a man and you box out, and you

(20:09):
have somebody who's behind everybody else. That's a given, but
it's like all is forgotten. When the ball is in
the air, everybody jumps. There's supposed to be one jumper
on the offense. It was zach Ertz and one jumper
on the defense and the rest are boxing out. The
crazy thing is dan On That is the pass rush.
Now normally you send two or three guys, they had

(20:31):
a fourth. This is coaching because I don't imagine TJ.
Edwards on his own said I'm going to spy a
quarterback fifty five yards away from the end zone, like
he can affect the play if he runs. That was
one of the most ridiculous optics things I've ever seen.

(20:52):
He wasn't rushing, and I wish I could remember the team.
There was another team that had a hail Mary and
the opposing team rushed for but they overloaded the defensive
left side the offensive right side, so the quarterback couldn't
roll right and making an easier throw. They made the
quarterback go left, so it's harder to build up to

(21:14):
throw the long pass to have a spy, And that's
coaching because that player had to be told to do that.
That was mind boggling.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Yeah, I didn't understand it. You're a no man's land
because he's not running. But you know the play before
that mike where they just gave them, they gave them
a chance to be in hail Mary range.

Speaker 10 (21:38):
So this is a combination of That's why it's tough
to just point to one person, whether it's a player
or coach and say bad play. I mean this was
players and coach. Bad execution on the jump ball, bad
coaching on having a player spy for there's no need
to spy, and having them playoff that much and let

(22:00):
them get into hail Mary situation by giving up that
much space. Normally you have guys short, shorter on the
sidelines to protect the odd about to not make it
an easy pass, and guys deep. So there's a lot
of look at Tyreek Stevenson is going to catch the
brunt of this because of his antics before the play.

(22:21):
But there's a whole lot of looking in the mirror
to go around on that series.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Do you remember a player coming in the huddle and saying,
I'm tired, I got to come out.

Speaker 10 (22:31):
There has now listen when And I don't want to
make this generational, but we see kind of generational in
basketball where load management has taken over, and I get
it from the analytics and the trainers in that where
back again in my day, guys played eighty two games

(22:55):
where it certainly can be done. I mean, nobody ever
tapped out now, I mean you see, I mean it's
almost a given if a player runs a deep route
that they're off the field on the next play, and
it's just kind of an understood thing. You just see
more helmet tapping today in the college and pro game
than you saw back in years past. That was a mistake.

(23:21):
And even heard Ryan Kelly the center kind of alluding
to you know, he was talked to about it. It's
not a good look and it's not a good look
at all.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Are the Steelers a threatening team?

Speaker 10 (23:33):
I'll tell you what. Russell Wilson, you know, there was
a big question on on would he recapture some of
the Seattle days or were to be more of the
Denver days. They scored thirty seven points against the Jets
and what twenty eight, twenty six, twenty eight against the Giants,
So we know they can run the ball. Najia Harris

(23:54):
had three straight games over one hundred yards. We know
they can play good defense. So they've given up against
the run a little bit on the Jetsians, but they
can play good defense. And now they have a passing game,
and they have a passing game that goes downfield. And
I don't mean the hail Mary's that that Russell throws
and really kind of loops and gives your guy, you know,
a sixty to forty chance rather than a fifty to
fifty chance. He throws a nice deep ball. He's always

(24:15):
been the best deep ball thrower in the league. So
they have because you're right, we keep asking who's the
threat to Kansas City? Was a Baltimore and they have
a bad loss to Cleveland? Is it Buffalo? Still? Certainly
could be Buffalo still certainly could be Baltimore. But you
have to give Pittsburgh the benefit of the doubt of
getting into the conversation.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Your NFL MVP halfway point.

Speaker 10 (24:36):
Is Wow, boy?

Speaker 4 (24:44):
Is it?

Speaker 10 (24:44):
I mean?

Speaker 4 (24:45):
Is it?

Speaker 7 (24:45):
Is it?

Speaker 10 (24:45):
Josh Allen?

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Is it?

Speaker 10 (24:47):
I mean?

Speaker 5 (24:47):
For me?

Speaker 10 (24:48):
I would have what's that?

Speaker 2 (24:49):
For me? It is?

Speaker 10 (24:51):
Yeah, I would say, and I would have said if
they had won the game, I would say Lamar Jackson
again for a third, I mean, because he was having
a hell of year. Derek Henry's been a big help
to that offense. That's helped Lamar as well, but that
loss kind of her. I would say Josh Allen and
or Lamar.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
But it's interesting. I look at the odds DraftKings has
Mahomes as the second favorite, So Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson
are tied and then it's Patrick Mahomes, And I think
that's just Mahomes. The threat of Mahomes, yes, because he
He's got more interceptions than he does touchdowns. Nobody else
has the threat like Patrick Mahomes does.

Speaker 10 (25:32):
Without question. You say Pat Mahomes and you say, oh,
they have a chance. Even though remember going into the season,
he was mad last season even though they won the
Super Bowl because the offense was outplayed by the defense
and he didn't like that because this offense has been
historic couple of years before that and they just can't
get back to that for whatever reason. Now you add

(25:53):
the injuries this year with Pacheco at running back and
obviously the receiver room, but the offense is still lagging
behind the defense and that doesn't make Mahomes happy. But
it's still it's Patrick Mahomes, so he can pull some
miracle play.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Talking to Mike Golick, co host of Gojo and Golwick
on DraftKings Network, when is it an appropriate time to
talk about the Cowboys.

Speaker 10 (26:16):
Well, I mean, I think it's always appropriate time to
talk about the Cowboys. That they're They're like the Yankees,
They're like Notre Dame. It's like whether they're good or bad,
they're always talked about. Listen, Dan, I listen, and I'm
not the only one. But I can only speak for myself.
I thought before the season that they were going to
take a step back. They did nothing to help their

(26:37):
running game, nothing at all. Their old line became somewhat
young with the center and left left tackle, so I thought,
who are they going to throw the ball to? But
Ceedee lambwet a monster year last year, and their defense,
they didn't do anything to help against the run. I mean,
they're in a position now, and then losing Lawrence and
Parson certainly hurt them, but they become in a position

(27:00):
where they have to scheme to stop a run, whether
it's run blitz load the box, and they already load
the box, the third most in the league is still
can't stop the run. So they have a personnel issue,
which goes to Jerry Jones, which goes to Steven Jones.
So yeah, I mean it's it's absolutely fine to talk
about the Cowboys and the step back they've taken.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
But if we know they're not going to be good,
It's like the Jets. At what point are we just
talking about the Jets because you're going to get clicks
with Aaron Rodgers. We know they're not doing anything. It's
it's been a debacle.

Speaker 10 (27:37):
It's a it's a quite honestly, it's a waste of time,
other than you're going to get clicks, but to talk
about the Jets in any meaningful way, or to talk
about Dallas in any meaningful way. They'll have a game
here or there, but they're not going to do anything.
They're not going to be a threat. I know we're
basically coming up to half the year, but they've shown

(27:59):
nobody's walking in the door to help outside of a trade.
I mean, you got Devontae Adams that didn't help, Firing
Robert Salad didn't help, Changing the play caller didn't help,
and the Cowboys just don't have the personnel to help,
and nothing's no one's coming off the couch. You know,
nobody's Joe flaccoing this thing to save a season. It's

(28:22):
just not going to happen.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
I wonder there's teams that need things at the trade deadline,
but we tend to go, boy, that guy could be traded,
or that guy could be traded, and then they're not traded. Right,
do you see any name or names that you think
will be traded?

Speaker 10 (28:40):
Not any big names? You know we got listen.

Speaker 4 (28:43):
You know this.

Speaker 10 (28:43):
You've been doing this longer than I've been doing this.
Talking about the NFL trade deadline was a blip on
the radar. You said, oh, here's the date, here's the time,
and then wait for nothing to happen. But all of
a sudden, one year, Christian McCaffrey gets traded. TJ. Hopkinson
gets traded, and they both have are a huge input
to their new teams San Francisco and Minnesota, respectively. So

(29:05):
all of a sudden, it's like, well, wait a minute,
a guy can come in and kind of change the
landscape a little bit. The big names talked about this
year have been Max Crosby and Miles Garrett, right, because
you know, Detroit needs a pass rusher. I thought they
were going to go after a Son Reddick, but the Jets.
I mean, listen, the Jets already pushed all their chips
in the middle of the table. They might as well

(29:25):
continue to do it. But I thought the Jets were
going to trade a Son Reddick, and I thought Detroit
would be a landing spot. But Max Crosby and Miles
Garrett aren't going to get traded. You had the receivers
that got traded in Cooper and Devonte Adams, which certainly
can Cooper certainly can help in Buffalo. Like I said,
the Jets are just are too far gone in this.

(29:46):
So I think there'll be some minor trades like there
have been, but I don't think any major names are
going to go, especially on the defensive pass rush side.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Would you wear a guardian helmet if you were playing.

Speaker 10 (29:58):
I probably wouldn't, but I don't. I have a problem
with guys that do. I'm amazed at some people that say, oh,
this looks weird or looks domb So what I mean,
So what if a guy thinks that's going to protect them?
And I know the information is still out there on
just how much it protects. But if somebody wants to
wear that for the physical protection and just the mental

(30:19):
side of it of feeling better. So what I mean,
more power to them. I probably wouldn't. But if I had,
you know, you know, documented a number of concussions. I
think I maybe have had them, but they weren't documented.

Speaker 4 (30:34):
Again, don't know.

Speaker 10 (30:35):
Maybe if I had a number of them and more
prevalent today than it was when I played, that maybe
I would be more aware of it today and wear one.
But I have zero issue with players wearing them.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
We don't talk about linemen with concussions the way we
do other positions, and linemen are engaged with every single play.
Why is that.

Speaker 10 (30:55):
There is a there's a new helmet coming out. I
think it's already out for linemen, which protrudes in the
forehead area and the talk of it being a lineman
because linemens are in a hit every single play, but
it's not. It's not a for lack of a better term,

(31:16):
a car wreck hit. You know, like a dB or
a linebacker. You know where they're space coming up there,
filling space on a wide receiver or a running back
who got to the second or third level, and there's
that major collision. Offensive defensive linemen hit within three feet
of one another, you know, and then they'll use their
hands more than their head. Their heads will still collide.

(31:37):
And when you hit a running back on a running play,
the running back normally isn't at full speed, So while
there's actually continuously hitting the head of every play, it's
not as as speed driven impact as the more space
in between the hitters.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Is what's that feeling like when you're under the pile
and you can't get up and you got hundred pound
guys we're on top of you. Maybe you can't breathe,
Maybe there's extracurriculars, like, what's that feeling like?

Speaker 4 (32:08):
Well?

Speaker 10 (32:09):
I was normally part of the extracurriculars or try and
get the ball, trying to bend some fingers or twist
some hands. And I was normally one of those three
hundred pounders laying on somebody smaller, trying to take the
air out of them, trying to when you pushed up
off of them, trying to have your forearm maybe push
on their neck or their lower back. But luck that

(32:29):
usually only happens in they scrum for the football, and
if a small guy gets caught on the bottom, that
could be it could be a problem, But for bigger
guys it's it's not really that big of an.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Issue, so there's no conversation that goes on.

Speaker 10 (32:44):
I think my brother Bob, when he was a nose
tackle on Cleveland, used to talk about a conversation he
would have with Boomer asiasin when there were fumbles and
they were in the bottom of a scrum, they would
they would chat about something. I don't think they were
often fond or good conversations. There were probably a lot
of swear words involved, but yeah, there's there's some bad

(33:08):
things that go on in those pile ups.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Do you hold any grudges?

Speaker 10 (33:14):
No, oh no, just like just like if there's a
sideline blow up on the same team of players or coaches.
I don't put anything in on game day because tensions
are so high, emotions run so high.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Nobody chief shotted you that you still hold a grudge
against them.

Speaker 11 (33:31):
No.

Speaker 10 (33:32):
Kevin Gogan, we got in the fight. He was with
the Cowboys, I was with the Eagles. He punched me
in that he did a little six inch Mike Tyson
jab on me in a fight that didn't get seen
by the referees, and he exploded my lip. I mean
I had blood on the inside of my face, masks
on my face. I didn't even realize it until I
got off the field. But hey, it was we were
both squared off. It was fair. I mean, I wasn't

(33:54):
a great player, Dan, so I was a line stepper
at times, so I unfortunately felt into the cab. And
now I never went after anybody's knees or anything like that,
But no, I never. My My fights were kind of
straight up, squared up, face to face.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
So if you saw Kevin Gogan, just hey, how's the family.
Everything's going.

Speaker 10 (34:15):
Yeah, I'd relive.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
The day said six seven, three thirty, So.

Speaker 10 (34:19):
I'd look up at him like I did on the
field and say, dude, that was a great punch. That
was twisted my face mask and caught me right in
the chin. What you got to give credit where credit's due.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Good to talk to you, Mike, my best of the family.
Thanks for joining us. That's Mike Golick, co host of
Gojo and Golick on DraftKings Network. We'll take a break
last call for phone calls, what we learn, what's in
store tomorrow. Back after this.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
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Speaker 2 (34:54):
WAP last call for phone calls, what we learn, what's
in store tomorrow? Chris Sims from Football Talk will join
us on the program. Uh Sean and Oregon joins us. Now,
good morning, Sean. What's on your mind?

Speaker 10 (35:07):
Hey Dan?

Speaker 13 (35:08):
I want to say I heard about someone saying, but
Derek Jeter given a pep talk, they don't want that,
Derek Jeter. I already heard the interview we had talked
with Aaron Judge. All he talked about was winning. Aaron
Judge probably went to a slump because of the listener.
Derek Jeter and all the pressures come from a Yankee
legend like that. You want to tell at this point,
you just tell them, hey, brother, you just go out there.

(35:31):
You just walk out there like a Jedi Knight and
let go and use the force.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
Brother, Okay Sean. Kevin Malar said that he'd have Jeter
do a pep talk tonight. I don't know if that
would be a good look for Fox with I mean, look,
they're not the most journalistic, responsible group that is there.
With Big Poppy and a Rod. It's weird seeing a
Rod on the set with Rob Manfred the commissioner, and

(35:56):
they're just chatting it up. I'd love to know what
the commissioners are actually thinking when he sees a Rod. Well,
ya hey Ron, good to see you, Hey, commissioner, thanks
for suspending me a couple of times for steroids, Yes, Paulin.

Speaker 5 (36:09):
When they opened the broadcast on Fox last night, the
Yankees fans were chanting, Poppy sucks. Poppy sucks, which he
doesn't first of all, but it's like the ultimate compliment.
You have ten thousand people chanting Poppy sucks when he's
the guy who prevented you from winning the World Series.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Yeah, yeah, see didn't.

Speaker 12 (36:26):
It's like one of the funniest things I've ever seen
in sports. But I don't remember which game it was,
But when they introduced Mariano Rivera after he gave up
that lead to the Red Sox, the Red Sox fans
all cheered him at Fenway Mariotto Rivera, They're like, yeah,
let's go.

Speaker 4 (36:44):
So it's just hilarious to see his smile.

Speaker 12 (36:46):
He's like tipping his cap like all right, I know
you got me, okay whatever.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
It's very funny.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Sebastian in Utah. Hey, Sebastiani, Dan, first time, long time,
I've got a sleeper pick for Man.

Speaker 10 (37:02):
He needed a game like that.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Okay, I got a keyon Coleman. Well for that one
block walked keon Coleman.

Speaker 13 (37:12):
He dog walks the Seahawks. His stats were five to
seven seventy yards and a touchdown does not do him
justice because it gives us hope. He looked a lot
better now that Digs was gone. He made some of
those defenders look pretty silly.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
He took one of the Seattle defenders, took him all
the way over to the bench. He blocked him all
the way to the bench. They may have something with him,
and he's got some personality as well. Uh Andy and
Rhode Island Hi Andy with sonnymne Hey.

Speaker 14 (37:44):
Good morning, Dan, fixed one a sexy one seventy and
I just wanted to chime in and back in two
thousand and seven, during the off season, they actually went
ahead and chained it from one foot to two feet
because of a controversy that had actually happened in the
two thousand and seven AFC Championship versus Patriots and Indianapolis

(38:06):
and Bill Belichick. He was actually at the fourfont to
get this rule change, and you know, now it's come
a full circle and seeing George Pickens and get into
double tap. But I also feel that physics would not
allow you, in a natural up and down motion to actually.

Speaker 13 (38:20):
Tap your foot twice.

Speaker 14 (38:22):
And also I'd like to see if I could just
possibly sneak it a little ryme time.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Oh wow, we haven't had a rhyme time from Fritzie.
But here's Andy and Rhode Island.

Speaker 14 (38:33):
So here it is, guys, weird Fritz weird?

Speaker 10 (38:40):
Fritz?

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Is that is that weird?

Speaker 14 (38:43):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Okay, weird or Fritz? Yes? Marvin Odd Todd Hey, yeah,
oh all right, thank you?

Speaker 11 (38:53):
And god so one of the garbage pail kids back
in the day. If you click with.

Speaker 15 (38:57):
Those, you to Alex in Utah splat Pat and I
hated it, glad Pat. You know there's a guy falling
as a kid falling off of a skateboard and its
face was like mashed into the ground.

Speaker 4 (39:07):
That said splat Pat.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Hey, Alex, Hey.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
Thanks for squeazing in.

Speaker 9 (39:13):
Guys.

Speaker 13 (39:13):
Hey, I have a quick T shirt idea that I
actually I think Todd might like.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Okay, so this is based on a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 7 (39:23):
He had Steve Young on the show and mentioned that
he had hypocryphally been drafted by the Dodgers, but you.

Speaker 10 (39:30):
Know, didn't didn't go.

Speaker 14 (39:31):
So does that make him a draft Dodger?

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Oh well, okay, I don't think we want to make
two shirts like that, but we could. We certainly might
sell well. This dands sports history Paulie.

Speaker 10 (39:42):
Nineteen seventy three.

Speaker 9 (39:44):
But O. J.

Speaker 5 (39:44):
Simpson ran for one hundred and fifty seven yards, putting
over one thousand yards and it was only the seventh
game of the season. You know what I want to there?
And let's see Jerry Rice nineteen ninety five with the
San Francisco forty nine ers, became the NFL's career leader
in receiving yards with fourteen thousand.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Forty twenty eighteen. Klay Thompson had fourteen three pointers in
a game in a win against the Bulls. That's not
when he had thirty seven points in the quarter, was.

Speaker 4 (40:10):
It, Marv No, that was a different shooting spree.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Yeah. Uh, let's go around the room. What we learned
on the program, Todd, If you learn anything.

Speaker 11 (40:18):
I did, Yankee fans should have known things weren't going
to go well.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
Left.

Speaker 11 (40:20):
Then when Fat Joe opened up Game three.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
In the Bronx seat at people down on Fat Joe.

Speaker 4 (40:26):
Yeah, Marvin Goldic Senior was a line stepper, Paulie.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Poor Fat Joe Todd, What did I learn.

Speaker 11 (40:32):
It attempted to make a catch in the NFL? You
think it should count if a receiver gets the same
foot down twice?

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Yes, two feet not both feet?

Speaker 11 (40:40):
Fair enough?

Speaker 2 (40:40):
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