September 11, 2024 • 41 mins
Dan discusses the viewing numbers for the NFL this weekend and concludes that any reports of the eventual demise of the NFL were premature. And former NFL DL Mike Golic drops by to weigh in on the future of the NFL.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to The Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio Final Hour on this Wednesday, Dan and the
dan 's Dan Patrick Show come on in Stay.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Awhile Mike Gullick Big Mike will join us coming up
here in a little bit. Christian McCaffrey is iffy for
Week two. Panthers lose their best player, Derek Brown, and
looks like Justin Fields gets the start for Pittsburgh. The
NFL's looking at the new Deshaun Watson civil lawsuit. There's
a lot of whisper rumor speculation, and I think we
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have to be careful of what the Browns might do,
what the NFL might do is their smoke? Is there
going to be fire? Could the Cleveland Browns get out
of this contract if they wanted to? And Mike Florio
Pro Football Talk, who's a lawyer who's looking at the contract.
He got a hold of the contract and there's language
in there that it looks like if Deshaun Watson didn't
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disclose this latest civil lawsuit that stems back to twenty twenty,
the Cleveland Browns could get out of this contract with
two years remaining on that contract. I don't know if
they want to get out of the contract. But this
is where we are as of today. He's not going
to be put on the Commissioner's exempt list, but they
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are monitoring this. But it is early in the process here.
But the speculation yesterday out of Cleveland, or at least
it felt this way, there were some members of the
media that maybe grabbed the story, got the story. Maybe
you were giving a heads up in the story and
then started to spin this a little bit forward. Could
the Cleveland Browns get out from underneath to Shan Watson's contract?
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presented by Discover. The holdout of Hasan Read reached a
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new level on Monday because he missed the jets first
game of the season. He came over from the Eagles
in a trade, wanted a new contract. Now he forfeited
his game check, which is nearly eight hundred thousand dollars
by missing the game that cost him eight hundred. His
holdout has now cost him nearly six million dollars. Fines
in forfeited money doesn't appear to be any end in
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sight with this. It is so jetsy and that you
trade for a guy and you think if you're going
to trade for him, you're going to have a contract
worked out, You're going to say to his agent what's
it going to take, We're not going to trade for him,
and then he's going to hold out. Hazin Reddick has
been holding out and of course if you saw the
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Jets defensive line they got roughed up in the game
Monday night against the forty nine ers, that would only
help his bargaining. But I don't know how you cover
up six million dollars in losses and are they going
to this clean? Can you do that? Because I don't
know the NFL Players Association, I don't know how that
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works when it comes to fines in forfeited money. Can
the Jets just go, Hey, no worries here, We're gonna
wipe out six million dollars. Are you going to get
him back any getting back anytime soon? And will he
make that much of a difference for this.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
That's that.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Still. I don't have a problem with the Jets offense
other than they didn't get the ball. They had it
twenty one minutes. I had a problem with the defense,
especially the allowing the forty nine ers to get into
the second level on that defense, on just about every
running play they got past the first line and then
they went into the second level. That to me is
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really alarming because that defense is supposed to be a
top five defense. I mean, you got a couple of
players who are all pros there, and you know, maybe
Sauce Gardner could be up for Defensive Player of the Year.
He's that impactful. Quentin Williams like they have players. But
just watching that, that was what was more concerning than
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I expect Aaron Rodgers. He has to ease into this.
I didn't expect four touchdown passes. Now you have this
game against Tennessee. Now this is a tricky one. I
didn't expect them. You know they weren't going to beat
San Francisco. Now you got Tennessee. Tennessee favored in that
game they started on ILWE two. Now all of a sudden,
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things start to get interesting. Like Robert sala Is either
going to get fired mid season, or he'll be up
for Coach of the Year. I don't think there's any
middle ground for him. I don't He's either going to
get fired week twelve or he's going to be heralded
as what an incredible job that he did. He lived
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up to Dan Patrick's hype of getting the Jets to
the Super Bowl. Your coach of the year.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Yes, the Jets have at Tennessee against the Patriots, against
the Broncos, winnable against the Vikings, at least on paper,
those are winnable ish games. What if they have a
slow start and they decide, well, why are we going
to sign Hassan Reddick? Now we're we're one and four
and we're going to bring him in and pay him
seventy five million dollars to do what?
Speaker 2 (05:22):
But then, if you start out four and one, do
you go, do we really need him? We start out
four and one, right, It's a conundrum. The NFL average
twenty one million viewers per game opening week, the most
watched week one on record. Stat of the day, stat
of the day, best steat of the day, stat of
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the day.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Here comes that?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
What stat of the day? All told one hundred and
twenty three million people saw at least a part of
one game, the highest total for an opening week since
twenty nineteen. That long ago that there were articles the
decline of the NFL. There were quite a few of them,
the decline of the NFL. Now the NFL is teflon.
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You can have controversies, you can have political issues, you
can have statements on football fields and practice jerseys. You
can have off the field issues. You can have Deshaun
Watson off the field. I mean Colin Kaepernick what he
was involved in, kneeling on the sidelines during the anthem.
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They're resilient, they survive. It's kind of like New York City.
Everything that's happened in New York City, New York City
always comes back. And of course this being the anniversary
of nine to eleven, you're there in New York and
now I've gone down to the Freedom Towers just to
pay my respects. But New York moves on. Yeah, they
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do whatever it is, whatever happens, they move on. The
NFL is that way. They move on night. We'll figure
it out. Nothing to see here. Move on. It's week
to week. You forget about that story. You move on
to the next one. Hey, we're gonna play all these
games in foreign countries, international games all right. Now, years
ago we'd be like, what are we doing? Why are
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they playing games? There? Went out here? Now, hey how
about a Friday night game here? Hey, we're going to
take over Christmas. Like it doesn't matter. It metastasizes. It's
not getting smaller, it's getting larger. And then all of
a sudden, you're gone. I mean, it's how big can
it get? And I always use this analogy when I
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was at Sports Center and I had a boss, Steve Bornstein,
who started the NFL network, and he said, we're going
to find out how much Sports Center is too much?
And they were re airing Sports Center, so we would
do the eleven o'clock let's say Sunday night. It would
reair all Monday morning up until like ten or eleven
o'clock in the morning. And I'm going, who's gonna watch this? Well,
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anybody in college is going to watch this. You're either
gonna watch late at night or maybe late at night,
and then you'll watch in the morning when you wake
up from your hangover or kids can't stay up at
eleven o'clock at night, get up for breakfast, you get
to watch Sports Center, and I was shocked by it.
And you know, I get I underestimated the power of
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Sports Center at that time. And the NFL's trying to
see how much is too much? And I don't know
if it's gonna happen in my lifetime where all of
a sudden there's a pushback and say no more. I mean,
you've had political stuff, You've had bad guys, You've I mean,
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you've had players involved in murders. I mean, you've had
a lot of things involved here. And the NFL is
as strong as it's ever been, stronger than it's ever been.
Throw in fantasy, throw in gambling. Gambling is just going
to increase fantasy. The importance of that. I mean, it's
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they've yet defined their high water mark here.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Yeah, Pauling, I went back and looked about when the
NFL decided to make the draft primetime. That was twenty ten.
I found our rundown from the next day. Is the
NFL crazy for trying to put the draft in primetime?
Because that's what we're discussing. This is too much. It's
a selection show, and they're going to put it on
a Thursday night primetime rounds one and two, and there's
a lot of questions, what are they doing?
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Is this too much?
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Not fifteen years fourteen years old? You're like, oh, it's crushing.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
But also, if you look at the release of the
schedule and the number of people, you know who your
team's going to play. You don't know when they're going
to play them, but people tune in. It's not like
it's a mystery of who you're playing. It's like, hey,
we're playing the Steelers. What week? Oh that'll be a
Thanksgiving Oh okay, I might be able to go. We
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tune into that. Multiple networks carrying the draft two three
days crazy. I mean, the appetite is insatiable here. Yes, Marmon, Yeah,
me and Paul were just talking like where are you
gonna go? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (10:18):
What are you who are gonna complain to? There's there's
no other option.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
And they survived a billion dollar lawsuit CTE concussions survived,
not a big deal, COVID, move on, it's okay, survived
everything you can throw at the NFL. It just seemed
to have a force field around them. There's a moat
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around their castle. You're not getting in, Yes, Mark Yeah.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
They're the number one rated program or like five different networks,
whatever network they're on, number one rated show.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
When you look at the end of the year of
top rated TV shows, it starts with the NFL and
it doesn't end with the NFL, you know, until after
the top twenty shows. It feels like it's they're getting
monster numbers here. And I mean it's a testament to
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the fans who want more are getting more and the
ability to be interactive with fantasy, because that's another thing.
How many times you watch a game and you don't
care about the two teams, but you care about your
fantasy team, or you don't care about the two teams,
but you're gonna bet. I mean, having that as a
kind of a drawing power build in. I mean, that's
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that's incredible to have that you're gonna watch a game
that you wouldn't normally watch. If I said we take
away gambling in fantasy, how many games are you truly
going to watch? How many games do you watch because
of fantasy and gambling? And to have that ability to
get you know, sort of people on the periphery who
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will watch the Bears and the Texans coming up Sunday night,
and normally they wouldn't watch the game, but they've got CJ.
Stroud on their fantasy team. Yes, Marvin. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
And when the NFL moves to eighteen games in the
Super Bowl is on President Day weekend.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
I mean, they did it again.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
But if you're looking at now taking over, it feels
like the NFL gets generous, like they go, let's give
something back here. How about maybe July. We'll give you July,
all right, do whatever you want to do with it.
Sb's and the All Star Game, all right, good luck
with that, all right, and then maybe it'll be June.
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May Hey, I we'll let you have that. But then
you know, we're gonna have the lead up to the combine,
and then you have the draft, and then we have
free agency, and then all of a sudden, they go,
commissioner needs a vacation. All right, what't you take June
and July off? Come on, yeah, maybe just June. Then
we'll come back. We'll get ready for camp and you know,
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OTAs and then all of a sudden, you know, I
said to the dan NC the other day, I said,
get ready. We're not getting a day off except for
two days at Thanksgiving for the next six months. It's
full speed ahead. It's football, and I mean you throw
in college football as well, but that's just sort of
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an accessory. It's like any NFL, no college Oh yeah,
I got a game tonight. All right, I'm gonna watch
Coastal Carolina.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Yeah, Paul I had the top one hundred most watched
US TV broadcast of twenty twenty three. Ninety three of
them are football games, and I'm the ones that aren't
the State of the Union, and they combine three network's
ratings together. The Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade actually is up there.
The Academy Awards, there's the SEC Championship, which actually beat
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the College Football Championship ironically, and then there's like some
show called Next Level Chef which debuted on Fox.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
I think it debuted.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
After the Super Bowl, so that was Oh yeah, that's true.
Ninety three of one football relateds.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
All right, we'll take a break here, Big Mike Golick
will join us and uh get his thoughts on a
variety of things. Here. Your phone calls always welcome. See
do we have a new poll question for the final
hour of this program? We do we have who won
the debate last night.
Speaker 7 (14:20):
Come oh wait, sorry, oh.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Wait, sorry that was the wrong Wow, whoa what happened there? Yeah?
I did watch a little bit. I mean, I think
most people are locked in on who they're voting for,
but I did watch because I wanted to see how
they interacted or how they didn't interact, and were they
respectful to each other? And when did the mud slinging start?
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You know that. It's sort of like, uh even the
handshake to begin with was kind of awkward as well.
But uh so, what's it? What is the poll question
for the final?
Speaker 7 (14:57):
Well, we got another suggestion here that's equally as an appropriate.
I think Deshaun Watson a better football player or person.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
That's gonna be a tough one. Dang, let's go with you.
Let's go with the first one.
Speaker 7 (15:10):
Yeah, better football player or person.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
We'll see how that one goes.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Any other choices.
Speaker 7 (15:21):
Hey, how about we go back to which was worse
the Giants uniforms or the Giants play? Right now, that's
at sixty one percent. The Giants play was worse than
those ugly uniforms.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
The Montreal Canadians. They look good on the Canadians they
don't look going on the giants here. All right, let
me take a break. It seems like a good time
to take a break back after this from the Dan
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Speaker 2 (16:29):
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Mike Golick, former NFL defensive lineman went it to Notre
Dame is oo ooh oh, my bad, seriously, my bad. Okay,
let's just get it over with. Let's just get it
over with. How painful was that watch for you with
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Notre Dame against Northern Illinois.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
I was sitting right in the stands there watching that,
and uh it was. And you know in week two
of the College see and there were a number of
big teams playing smaller teams that pulled out, you know,
close wins. So my thought the whole time there was
just get the win. Just get the win. Just get
the win. It's all that matters. They went up fourteen
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to thirteen in the second half. I thought, Okay, maybe
they'll put another field goal on them, another touchdown on them,
and they'll win the game. And then Riley Leonard throws
that interception that's returned thirty yards to the fifty yard line.
A couple first downs later, they kicked the field goal,
and unfortunately Notre Dame has done this before two years
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ago to Marshall certain wiom and my son Mike and
Jake were here as well. So it it was crushing.
And I say this in all sincerity, congratulations in Northern Illinois.
I mean they they outplayed Notre Dame. They out It
wasn't fluky, it wasn't Oh my god, all these turnovers.
They outplayed Notre Dame in South Bend the first time
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they ever went there, and kudos to them, tip of
the cap to them. Even Marcus Freeman said, Hey, maybe
we're basically reading the clippings, but coaching staff and players
and they let one slip away. They won't let one
slip away that they couldn't.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Yeah, but the good news is it's a twelve team
playoff and you know your your toughest game. I always say,
all their toughest game is USC but then tell that
to Notre Dame facing Northern Illinois, like, hey, weeke in
and week out. You know, you just can't slip up.
And they do this every year. It feels like there's
that one slip up game where you go, what is
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going on here?
Speaker 5 (18:38):
The problem with they should be able to absorb another
loss and possibly make the twelve. But here's the situation.
I think we'll only have two losses up to twelve,
maybe a third depending on the season, but basically two
losses and if Notre Dame. If Notre Dame wins out,
they'll probably they'll they'll most likely be if they were
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to lose another one. You put that Northern Illinois loss
up against somebody else with two losses, and it's probably
not going to be as bad a loss as Notre
Dame was to Northern Illinois, So that could have them
with two losses on the outside looking in, possibly.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Talking to Mike Golick. He is the co host of
Gojo Golick on DraftKings Network and you can see it
from eight am to ten am. Do players care about
the uniform when they do, like the Giants uniforms or
the Steelers throwbacks or the Packers three like the players
care when they're putting these things on.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
I think most don't. I know, I never did. I
think we are in an era of more style, where
where players have stylists to match their clothes to go
into walk into the game, you know, because they're on camera.
So I do think players are more aware of style
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than they or years ago. But I think for the
most part, once a game starts, they don't care. Every
linemen are just trying to get air in their lungs,
you know, Receivers are just trying to catch balls. DB's
are trying to stop that. So I think once a
game starts, no, they don't for the most part, they
don't care how.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Closely are you watching the Deshaun Watson situation that it's
not about necessarily play on the field. Now you have
this civil lawsuit that's been refiled, and could the Cleveland
Browns get out from underneath this contract?
Speaker 5 (20:32):
And actually, Dan, everything is about play on the field.
Right When he signed with Cleveland, it was because he
had a great year in Houston and then sat for
games because he wanted to be traded, and he didn't
have any criminal charges against him, they were all civil
and he settled with ID think twenty three of the
twenty four or twenty two of the twenty three, and
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the Browns and Haslam signed him because he played great
in Houston. That's why they say him and gave him that.
Then everybody thought a ridiculous contract that was just recently
beaten by Dak Prescott. And now the Browns they will
look to try and get out of this contract because
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again of his quarterback play it being bad this time
that they'll look for a clause or a well they
have the clause or for a reason to get out
of this deal now. So while it's horrendous of what
went on off the field, of which he was suspended
eleven games, find five million dollars, and we all know
what he went through. But it's on the field, Dan
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that controlled all of this, and fans hated it. Fans
hated the fact that the Browns signed him. But then
after a while, you're just gonna root for your colors,
You're gonna root for your jersey and try and root
for a win. But now that he's playing bad, it's like, hey,
can we get rid of him fast enough?
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Which NFL fan base should feel the worst today.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
Least Cincinnati though though Zach Taylor in weeks one and
two in his time in Houston is one in ten,
So that's a problem. That's a problem for the players
standpoint of execute on the field and the coaches standpoint
of not having them ready. But now New England, we know,
even with Bill Belichick and girod Mayo, who was a
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linebacker coach under Bill, they're gonna have a tough defense.
But for their offense, and I know they didn't have
t Higgins and I don't think they tried to run
the ball enough in what was a one score game
going into the fourth quarter. But they have perennially been
bad the first two games, but to me, there was
no excuse to put up the small amount of points
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that they did.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
As a former player, the difference between being hurt and
being injured is what.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
It's a gray area, man, It's a gray area. Was
a gray area to me because I was a tenth
rounder who started maybe my career and felt if I
left the field, I may not get back on the field.
So players are in different positions. For the most part,
players are tough and we'll want to work through. Now.
What has helped is I was pretty much get the
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one to make the decision on whether I wanted to play,
whether I wanted to take the needle take the pill,
of which I did many many times to play. Now,
you know, you hear coaches say it's the doctor's decision.
If the doctor says no, then it's no. We could
talk our doctors into letting us play as long as
it wasn't too detrimental or you know, blown acl or
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something like that. But we could talk the doctors into
a shot or letting us play. Now you can't. Now
it's a little more difficult to do that, and you'll
kind of have your helmet taken away from you, which
in all honesty is a good thing.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
What is that?
Speaker 7 (23:55):
Like?
Speaker 2 (23:55):
How long does it take you get the shot to
then you've feel the numbness or you don't feel anything.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
Oh. I mean there was a year, my year in Miami,
I got the cartilage torn in my ribs, between my
ribs in the in game one. I got shot up
before the game and at halftime for most of the season,
and it feels I mean, listen, you could have hit
me with a baseball bat and I wasn't gonna feel
a thing. And I've had that shot up, my shoulders,
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shot up, my heel shot up. I mean, I've had
a lot of things. And I'm not saying this to
say I was this tough guy. I'm saying this as
this is what was done when I played. I mean,
there was a needle going into somebody all the time.
And people can think about it what they want to
think about. If they said, well, didn't you think about
what you were going to be like at fifty, I said,
I thought about playing on that Sunday and that was it. Again.
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Players are smarter and take care of their bodies better today.
Don't get me wrong. It The shot though, worked. They
numbed the pain but man, when it wore off, whether
it was on the plane ride home or in a
home game, when I went home and went to bed,
you definitely felt that that's when the pain pills kicked in,
and that's when you know it could lead to opioid
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problems for players. It wasn't pretty, Dan, It wasn't a
pretty way to go about your business.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Quarterback play in Week one, we're seeing touchdown passes down considerably.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
Why, well, I think defenses are ahead of offenses. You're
not playing your starters in preseason games as much, though.
I get it to a point because practicing with a
team for a couple of days before you play them
in preseason I think is actually more important. But still
it's not completely full go. It's not usually it's not
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tackling into the ground. You certainly can't hit the quarterback
when you're practicing with another team. And in preseason starters
don't play a lot see Cincinnati and why they slow
start one in ten in under Zach Taylor in the
first two weeks, and defenses are normally ahead of offenses.
I think that has a lot to do with it.
I think we'll eventually go to an eighteen game schedule
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will probably go down to two preseason games, so you'll
get even less work by the starters, and the offense
really needs to be in a timing rhythm. Defense needs
to as well, but the offense with all the different parts,
needs to be in sync, I think more than the defense.
And they're just not getting the reps in preseason that
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they normally had gotten years ago.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
The commissioner has talked about the number of international games,
and I was told by source that they're going to
sell that package. The international games probably going to be
sold separately. The question is how many countries do you
think the NFL is going to try to play games
in the near future.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
As many dan as many as they can. I mean,
they are trying so hard to globalize the game. I
don't believe we will ever have a team overseas like
Jacksonville in London, or let alone a division overseas. I
don't think that will ether ever happen. But I think
and and this isn't like baseball and hockey when you
and and even football, where you have a lot of
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overseas players playing in our sport. You don't have a
lot of that in the NFL. So the only way
way the NFL gets global the globalization of it is
to go play on their turf in their territory. So
they'll try and play everywhere. And you got to be careful.
I mean, you're talking ten hour flights, you're talking the
grass is horrible. But the players are highly paid. Uh players,
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don't get me wrong, but they're still not the owners
who are grabbing this money from from games overseas or
out of the country and kind of conditions. Be damned situation.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
But can we give the fan too much football?
Speaker 5 (27:48):
Well, we can't give the the international fan too much
football because they don't see it that much.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
But obviously to us in the United States, can we
can we give you too much? Can we be gluttonous
that eventually you say enough, I'm backing away from the buffet.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
No, no, I don't think so. The only day there
hasn't been an actual schedule game after Christmas and Wednesday
this year is a Tuesday. There's been a game on
Tuesday because of a weather causing a game to you know,
be postponed a couple of days. But that's good. Tuesday
is going to be the only day an NFL game
hasn't been scheduled. You cannot have enough. I mean it is.
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It is by far and away the most popular sport.
I remember there were NBA analysts saying, oh, the football
playing on Christmas isn't going to affect the NBA is
still king on it on Christmas. It's a joke. I mean,
it's not even close. And it rules the roost. And
I think college football quite honestly a second, but nothing
will affect people wanting to watch the NFL A big
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reason you can gamble on it.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Do you remember a certain time one time when an
offensive lineman pancaked you, like it stood out out of
all the offensive linemen that you took on with. It
was just like, damn, that was different.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
Well, there were so many times. One time I played
against the late great Bill Freelik, who I actually played
against for years when he was at Pitt and I
was at Notre Dame, and then we played against each
other in the NFL. Man he pancaked me. Well, I
actually hurt my knee on the play and went on
(29:25):
ir for four weeks. He just folded me backwards and
I kind of bent back as I was trying to
fight it on my knee. That that because I was injured.
Was probably the one that I'll remember the most, but
I'm not gonna lie. It happened a couple of times.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
What was your super Bowl pick?
Speaker 5 (29:45):
My super Bowl pick this year is Detroit, Detroit over
Kansas City.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Okay, yeah, yeah, you know what. And I took the
Jets because I thought did okay, yeah, I I thought
that Robert Salah either gets fired after week twelve or
he's the coach of the year. I think the defense
is really good. I think Rogers will ease into things.
(30:11):
They got some playmakers there, and I thought, and maybe
it's trying to get you know, clickbait. I could have
taken Kansas City. I took Detroit as well, you know,
because Kansas City is right in front of you, and
sometimes what's in front of you, we don't want to
take that because nobody's going to notice if you say
I'm taking Kansas City to win it all exactly right.
(30:32):
But uh, I went kicking and screaming. I wanted to
change my pick to the Chiefs. When I'm like, no,
I'll stick with the Jets. I'm gonna have confidence in
you know, an angry Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
Well, I think Aaron and I think the russ will
kick off a little bit because we're used to seeing
Aaron was kind of Pat Mahomes before Pat Mahomes. Maybe
Pat Mahomes is a little more magician like. But Aaron
on the run, rolling right, rolling left, rowing, dropping dimes
was incredible. In this first game, he didn't do that much.
He just got rid of the ball. You know. He
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was almost truly like a pocket quarterback when he can
be pretty dangerous outside the pocket. And I think he'll
get to that. And I agree. If they're going to
go somewhere, they're going to be led by their defense.
That's why it was a little disheartening to get run
on the way that defense got run on because they're
breaking in a new old lineman and they really got
Garrett Wilson and Breise Hall as your two main weapons.
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But I get you wanting to go out on a
limb because our mutual friend Stu Gotts picked the Jets
and Chicago in the Super Bowl, so he really really
went out on a limb.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yeah, great to talk to you, my best of the family.
Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
You got it, did.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
That's Mike Golick, co host of Gojo and Golick on
DraftKings Network eight am to ten am, and yeah, had
to hit him with the Notre Dame question at some point.
Let's just get the band aid off there out of
the way. So how about we take a break, Last
Call for Phone Calls, what we learn, what's in store tomorrow,
this day in sports history, all of that Right after this, be.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Sure to catch the live edition of The Dan Patrick
Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
To summarize the Deshaun Watson situation we talked about pretty
much throughout the show. Started the show talking about this,
did Deshaun watch and disclose this new civil lawsuit that
has surfaced that is being refiled now, but it comes
from what happened in twenty twenty. If Deshaun Watson disclosed
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this to the Browns, the issue is over. If he didn't,
and if he ends up being suspended for it, the
Browns could escape the final two years of a five
year deal. That comes from a source with the NFL.
Stat of today has been brought to you by Panadi America,
the official trading cards of the program. Last Call for
Phone Calls what we learn, what's in store tomorrow? Basketball
(33:01):
coming up tonight standalone game Las Vegas Aces against the
Indiana Fever on NBA TV. That's spicy standalone. Let me see.
How about Jim and Nevada. Hi, Jim, what's on your
mind today? Good morning Dan?
Speaker 9 (33:19):
I'm six five to eighty. Hey, I'm the Shahn Watson.
We're not to talk or even condone or his behavior,
but my thought was talking about you talked about the
NFL business three years ago, the kids, eighty kids, twenty
five years old, the criminals behind him in Texas. I
(33:42):
would assume he's represented by attorneys. He goes to negotiate
a contract with, you know, with the Browns, and then
when we assume with this representation that there would be
full disclosure or wouldn't he assumed that when it comes
down to the Browns in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
I would think so if if look, if you've already
had twenty three cases, then you've settled. Is there one
that you're not bringing up for a reason? Unless he
didn't know that there was another one. That's the only
thing that I can think of. But I would if
I'm the Cleveland Browns, I would say to Deshaun Watson.
(34:22):
We need full disclosure. We can't have any surprises here.
We're going out on a limb. We're going to make
this contract guaranteed. We're going all in on you. No surprises, Okay,
no surprises. Tell us everything you know and then then
we'll do this contract. Maybe they he didn't tell them,
Maybe he didn't know that this was going to be
(34:44):
something that was refiled, but it certainly sounds like there's
something there. I don't know how much is there, what's there,
but something is there. And that's just the start to
get some chatter here. Dave and Lancaster.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Hey Dave, Sorry, Dan, I just love calling just to
say thank you to you and the show and the
dan nets. Twenty three years ago on this day, I'm
an Army vet. Ten years I was on the DMZ
South and North Korea, and days like this you start
(35:21):
reflecting on what you're appreciative of, and I just want
to say thank you for always bringing joy and happiness
into my life. All I have is my son and sports,
and ten years in the army, that's the only thing
that kept me going was the sports. So I just
want to say thank you so much for always bringing
(35:42):
joy and I just wanted to reflect on that today.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Well you dan having Yeah, thank you for the phone
call day, thank you for your service there. Yeah, this
is a day to reflect, it's a day to remember.
That's why I love going to parades when they honor military,
certain Vietna, certainly the Vietnam veterans. Like I've been to
a Vietnam themed parade that was sparsely attended, and I
(36:14):
felt sad because, I mean, we don't want to remember
that those who served, but they still served. You know,
did we like why they were there? No, we didn't.
Did we know we weren't going to win that, Yes,
but they still served. I mean they're not World War
two heroes in people's eyes, but still they served. Whenever
(36:36):
I see Vietnam or Pow or I served, I mean,
there's so many of these people who give and give
without thinking. And that's what you had, you know, twenty
three years ago, first responders, emt you know, hospitals, nurses, firefighters,
(36:59):
police office. We saw it and then we got to
go back to whatever we were going to do. There
were people who saw it that became their job that
day for months and when my brothers in law would
tell me they were asked to go to funerals because
they didn't have enough firefighters to go to these funerals
(37:21):
to represent. They were asked to go even if they
didn't know the firefighter who might have died. And one
of my brothers in law he said they would go
to like, you know, three or four funerals or memorials
a day, sometimes on top of working, you know, cleaning
up World Trade Center and whatever. You could imagine seeing
(37:46):
in the debris there at the World Trade Center. I mean,
we throw around hero in sports. These are heroes. Those
are true heroes. You go in when everybody's coming out
a hero. Eli Manning will join us, coming up tomorrow,
Our good buddy Ross Tucker will stop buying. How about
(38:06):
this day in sports history Paul.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Nineteen eighty five. Pete Rose of the Reds got hit
forty one ninety two to break the record by Ty
Cobb nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Day, here's a little quiz.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
I think you'll get this one. Blank from the New
York Mets became the first NL infield to hit thirty
home runs and still thirty bases in a season nineteen
eighty seven for the Mets, Howard Johnson, Howard Johnson's correct
bop nineteen ninety nine, Brett Favre and Robert Brooks of
the Green Bay Packers completed a ninety nine yard touchdown
reception against the Bears to tie an NFL record.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Of course, you can't break it, Yeah, yeah, can't break it.
Pete Rose's hit was off Eric Shao of the Padres.
How about that. I'd love trivia like this. This is
what true trivia is. This guy, this guy homered in
his first at bat in the major leagues. He didn't
(38:56):
homer until his final at bat in the major leagues. Now,
he was only in baseball from nineteen sixty six to
nineteen sixty nine. First did bat homeward, Last did bat homeward.
Those are the only two home runs of his career.
You're not going to get it, Johnny Miller. First, he
(39:19):
played for the Yankees, so he hit a home run
in his first ad bat, and his second career home
run came in his final ad batch. Johnny Miller, that's
what he did. H That's a great trivia. Great trivia.
Uh Saturday Night, It's Big ten Saturday Night, Indiana UCLA
on NBC and PEA Conker comes Saturday night percent bye
(39:40):
discover final results of the poll question Seaton O'Connor.
Speaker 7 (39:43):
Let's go, we have up there, which was worse the
giants uniforms or the giants play right now they're play
still eking out the uniforms. Uniforms getting a sturdy forty
percent of that vote though.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Okay, yeah, I as soon as they came out on
the field, I said to a friend, where they better
be good today? And then all of a sudden, it
didn't take long before they weren't very good. Any other
poll results that you would like to wrap up? We
decided to not do any of the more controversial ones. Good,
that's probably good. Yeah, much to my chagrin. This actually
(40:18):
not says chagrin. It is sugar chagrin. And we learned,
we learned how to pronounce no, that's a bunch of crap. Well,
the English version of dower they call it door.
Speaker 7 (40:29):
They say it door, but for the rest of us,
for like a hundred years, it's been the standard pronunciation
in this country as dower.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Yeah, I've never heard dr. Nobody's ever heard of door. Yeah,
it's dower.
Speaker 7 (40:42):
Yeah, so whatever, I don't remember the caller's name. I'm
sticking with Dower. Probably he was from San Antonio.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
He could have been from Oxford or Cambridge, I don't know,
but yeah, Todd, would you learn today? After once pitching
him several potential SNL.
Speaker 5 (40:58):
Skits, Jimmy Fown was finally able to get Mick Jack
to agree to one show me all.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Seeton, What did you learn today? The rooster is outdated? Apparently? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (41:06):
Who knows?
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Love the rooster with Mick Jagger, Marvin the.
Speaker 6 (41:09):
Sona Reddicks lost six million dollars.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Woo Paul, Johnny Miller, Johnny Miller, Todd, would you learn today?
Speaker 5 (41:16):
Nate in Ohio is a very your brownspan right now?
He may not be able to shake those people?
Speaker 2 (41:20):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Awhile Mike Gullick Big Mike will join us coming up
here in a little bit. Christian McCaffrey is iffy for
Week two. Panthers lose their best player, Derek Brown, and
looks like Justin Fields gets the start for Pittsburgh. The
NFL's looking at the new Deshaun Watson civil lawsuit. There's
a lot of whisper rumor speculation, and I think we
(00:34):
have to be careful of what the Browns might do,
what the NFL might do is their smoke? Is there
going to be fire? Could the Cleveland Browns get out
of this contract if they wanted to? And Mike Florio
Pro Football Talk, who's a lawyer who's looking at the contract.
He got a hold of the contract and there's language
in there that it looks like if Deshaun Watson didn't
(00:56):
disclose this latest civil lawsuit that stems back to twenty twenty,
the Cleveland Browns could get out of this contract with
two years remaining on that contract. I don't know if
they want to get out of the contract. But this
is where we are as of today. He's not going
to be put on the Commissioner's exempt list, but they
(01:17):
are monitoring this. But it is early in the process here.
But the speculation yesterday out of Cleveland, or at least
it felt this way, there were some members of the
media that maybe grabbed the story, got the story. Maybe
you were giving a heads up in the story and
then started to spin this a little bit forward. Could
the Cleveland Browns get out from underneath to Shan Watson's contract?
(01:40):
All right? Eight seven to seven three, DP Show email
address Dpatdanpatrick dot com, Twitter handle at DP show. Good morning.
If you're watching on Peacock, our streaming partner and our
radio affiliates as well, Big ten Saturday Night it'll be
Indiana and UCLA, NBC and Peacock. Here comes Saturday Night,
presented by Discover. The holdout of Hasan Read reached a
(02:01):
new level on Monday because he missed the jets first
game of the season. He came over from the Eagles
in a trade, wanted a new contract. Now he forfeited
his game check, which is nearly eight hundred thousand dollars
by missing the game that cost him eight hundred. His
holdout has now cost him nearly six million dollars. Fines
in forfeited money doesn't appear to be any end in
(02:24):
sight with this. It is so jetsy and that you
trade for a guy and you think if you're going
to trade for him, you're going to have a contract
worked out, You're going to say to his agent what's
it going to take, We're not going to trade for him,
and then he's going to hold out. Hazin Reddick has
been holding out and of course if you saw the
(02:46):
Jets defensive line they got roughed up in the game
Monday night against the forty nine ers, that would only
help his bargaining. But I don't know how you cover
up six million dollars in losses and are they going
to this clean? Can you do that? Because I don't
know the NFL Players Association, I don't know how that
(03:06):
works when it comes to fines in forfeited money. Can
the Jets just go, Hey, no worries here, We're gonna
wipe out six million dollars. Are you going to get
him back any getting back anytime soon? And will he
make that much of a difference for this.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
That's that.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Still. I don't have a problem with the Jets offense
other than they didn't get the ball. They had it
twenty one minutes. I had a problem with the defense,
especially the allowing the forty nine ers to get into
the second level on that defense, on just about every
running play they got past the first line and then
they went into the second level. That to me is
(03:47):
really alarming because that defense is supposed to be a
top five defense. I mean, you got a couple of
players who are all pros there, and you know, maybe
Sauce Gardner could be up for Defensive Player of the Year.
He's that impactful. Quentin Williams like they have players. But
just watching that, that was what was more concerning than
(04:07):
I expect Aaron Rodgers. He has to ease into this.
I didn't expect four touchdown passes. Now you have this
game against Tennessee. Now this is a tricky one. I
didn't expect them. You know they weren't going to beat
San Francisco. Now you got Tennessee. Tennessee favored in that
game they started on ILWE two. Now all of a sudden,
(04:31):
things start to get interesting. Like Robert sala Is either
going to get fired mid season, or he'll be up
for Coach of the Year. I don't think there's any
middle ground for him. I don't He's either going to
get fired week twelve or he's going to be heralded
as what an incredible job that he did. He lived
(04:55):
up to Dan Patrick's hype of getting the Jets to
the Super Bowl. Your coach of the year.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Yes, the Jets have at Tennessee against the Patriots, against
the Broncos, winnable against the Vikings, at least on paper,
those are winnable ish games. What if they have a
slow start and they decide, well, why are we going
to sign Hassan Reddick? Now we're we're one and four
and we're going to bring him in and pay him
seventy five million dollars to do what?
Speaker 2 (05:22):
But then, if you start out four and one, do
you go, do we really need him? We start out
four and one, right, It's a conundrum. The NFL average
twenty one million viewers per game opening week, the most
watched week one on record. Stat of the day, stat
of the day, best steat of the day, stat of
(05:43):
the day.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Here comes that?
Speaker 2 (05:46):
What stat of the day? All told one hundred and
twenty three million people saw at least a part of
one game, the highest total for an opening week since
twenty nineteen. That long ago that there were articles the
decline of the NFL. There were quite a few of them,
the decline of the NFL. Now the NFL is teflon.
(06:12):
You can have controversies, you can have political issues, you
can have statements on football fields and practice jerseys. You
can have off the field issues. You can have Deshaun
Watson off the field. I mean Colin Kaepernick what he
was involved in, kneeling on the sidelines during the anthem.
(06:36):
They're resilient, they survive. It's kind of like New York City.
Everything that's happened in New York City, New York City
always comes back. And of course this being the anniversary
of nine to eleven, you're there in New York and
now I've gone down to the Freedom Towers just to
pay my respects. But New York moves on. Yeah, they
(06:59):
do whatever it is, whatever happens, they move on. The
NFL is that way. They move on night. We'll figure
it out. Nothing to see here. Move on. It's week
to week. You forget about that story. You move on
to the next one. Hey, we're gonna play all these
games in foreign countries, international games all right. Now, years
ago we'd be like, what are we doing? Why are
(07:22):
they playing games? There? Went out here? Now, hey how
about a Friday night game here? Hey, we're going to
take over Christmas. Like it doesn't matter. It metastasizes. It's
not getting smaller, it's getting larger. And then all of
a sudden, you're gone. I mean, it's how big can
it get? And I always use this analogy when I
(07:42):
was at Sports Center and I had a boss, Steve Bornstein,
who started the NFL network, and he said, we're going
to find out how much Sports Center is too much?
And they were re airing Sports Center, so we would
do the eleven o'clock let's say Sunday night. It would
reair all Monday morning up until like ten or eleven
o'clock in the morning. And I'm going, who's gonna watch this? Well,
(08:06):
anybody in college is going to watch this. You're either
gonna watch late at night or maybe late at night,
and then you'll watch in the morning when you wake
up from your hangover or kids can't stay up at
eleven o'clock at night, get up for breakfast, you get
to watch Sports Center, and I was shocked by it.
And you know, I get I underestimated the power of
(08:29):
Sports Center at that time. And the NFL's trying to
see how much is too much? And I don't know
if it's gonna happen in my lifetime where all of
a sudden there's a pushback and say no more. I mean,
you've had political stuff, You've had bad guys, You've I mean,
(08:50):
you've had players involved in murders. I mean, you've had
a lot of things involved here. And the NFL is
as strong as it's ever been, stronger than it's ever been.
Throw in fantasy, throw in gambling. Gambling is just going
to increase fantasy. The importance of that. I mean, it's
(09:13):
they've yet defined their high water mark here.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Yeah, Pauling, I went back and looked about when the
NFL decided to make the draft primetime. That was twenty ten.
I found our rundown from the next day. Is the
NFL crazy for trying to put the draft in primetime?
Because that's what we're discussing. This is too much. It's
a selection show, and they're going to put it on
a Thursday night primetime rounds one and two, and there's
a lot of questions, what are they doing?
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Is this too much?
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Not fifteen years fourteen years old? You're like, oh, it's crushing.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
But also, if you look at the release of the
schedule and the number of people, you know who your
team's going to play. You don't know when they're going
to play them, but people tune in. It's not like
it's a mystery of who you're playing. It's like, hey,
we're playing the Steelers. What week? Oh that'll be a
Thanksgiving Oh okay, I might be able to go. We
(10:01):
tune into that. Multiple networks carrying the draft two three
days crazy. I mean, the appetite is insatiable here. Yes, Marmon, Yeah,
me and Paul were just talking like where are you
gonna go? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (10:18):
What are you who are gonna complain to? There's there's
no other option.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
And they survived a billion dollar lawsuit CTE concussions survived,
not a big deal, COVID, move on, it's okay, survived
everything you can throw at the NFL. It just seemed
to have a force field around them. There's a moat
(10:43):
around their castle. You're not getting in, Yes, Mark Yeah.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
They're the number one rated program or like five different networks,
whatever network they're on, number one rated show.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
When you look at the end of the year of
top rated TV shows, it starts with the NFL and
it doesn't end with the NFL, you know, until after
the top twenty shows. It feels like it's they're getting
monster numbers here. And I mean it's a testament to
(11:14):
the fans who want more are getting more and the
ability to be interactive with fantasy, because that's another thing.
How many times you watch a game and you don't
care about the two teams, but you care about your
fantasy team, or you don't care about the two teams,
but you're gonna bet. I mean, having that as a
kind of a drawing power build in. I mean, that's
(11:38):
that's incredible to have that you're gonna watch a game
that you wouldn't normally watch. If I said we take
away gambling in fantasy, how many games are you truly
going to watch? How many games do you watch because
of fantasy and gambling? And to have that ability to
get you know, sort of people on the periphery who
(11:59):
will watch the Bears and the Texans coming up Sunday night,
and normally they wouldn't watch the game, but they've got CJ.
Stroud on their fantasy team. Yes, Marvin. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
And when the NFL moves to eighteen games in the
Super Bowl is on President Day weekend.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
I mean, they did it again.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
But if you're looking at now taking over, it feels
like the NFL gets generous, like they go, let's give
something back here. How about maybe July. We'll give you July,
all right, do whatever you want to do with it.
Sb's and the All Star Game, all right, good luck
with that, all right, and then maybe it'll be June.
(12:41):
May Hey, I we'll let you have that. But then
you know, we're gonna have the lead up to the combine,
and then you have the draft, and then we have
free agency, and then all of a sudden, they go,
commissioner needs a vacation. All right, what't you take June
and July off? Come on, yeah, maybe just June. Then
we'll come back. We'll get ready for camp and you know,
(13:02):
OTAs and then all of a sudden, you know, I
said to the dan NC the other day, I said,
get ready. We're not getting a day off except for
two days at Thanksgiving for the next six months. It's
full speed ahead. It's football, and I mean you throw
in college football as well, but that's just sort of
(13:23):
an accessory. It's like any NFL, no college Oh yeah,
I got a game tonight. All right, I'm gonna watch
Coastal Carolina.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Yeah, Paul I had the top one hundred most watched
US TV broadcast of twenty twenty three. Ninety three of
them are football games, and I'm the ones that aren't
the State of the Union, and they combine three network's
ratings together. The Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade actually is up there.
The Academy Awards, there's the SEC Championship, which actually beat
(13:53):
the College Football Championship ironically, and then there's like some
show called Next Level Chef which debuted on Fox.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
I think it debuted.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
After the Super Bowl, so that was Oh yeah, that's true.
Ninety three of one football relateds.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
All right, we'll take a break here, Big Mike Golick
will join us and uh get his thoughts on a
variety of things. Here. Your phone calls always welcome. See
do we have a new poll question for the final
hour of this program? We do we have who won
the debate last night.
Speaker 7 (14:20):
Come oh wait, sorry, oh.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Wait, sorry that was the wrong Wow, whoa what happened there? Yeah?
I did watch a little bit. I mean, I think
most people are locked in on who they're voting for,
but I did watch because I wanted to see how
they interacted or how they didn't interact, and were they
respectful to each other? And when did the mud slinging start?
(14:49):
You know that. It's sort of like, uh even the
handshake to begin with was kind of awkward as well.
But uh so, what's it? What is the poll question
for the final?
Speaker 7 (14:57):
Well, we got another suggestion here that's equally as an appropriate.
I think Deshaun Watson a better football player or person.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
That's gonna be a tough one. Dang, let's go with you.
Let's go with the first one.
Speaker 7 (15:10):
Yeah, better football player or person.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
We'll see how that one goes.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Any other choices.
Speaker 7 (15:21):
Hey, how about we go back to which was worse
the Giants uniforms or the Giants play? Right now, that's
at sixty one percent. The Giants play was worse than
those ugly uniforms.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
The Montreal Canadians. They look good on the Canadians they
don't look going on the giants here. All right, let
me take a break. It seems like a good time
to take a break back after this from the Dan
Patrick Show.
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Speaker 2 (16:29):
He's co host of Gojo and Golick on DraftKings Network's
Mike Golick, former NFL defensive lineman went it to Notre
Dame is oo ooh oh, my bad, seriously, my bad. Okay,
let's just get it over with. Let's just get it
over with. How painful was that watch for you with
(16:49):
Notre Dame against Northern Illinois.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
I was sitting right in the stands there watching that,
and uh it was. And you know in week two
of the College see and there were a number of
big teams playing smaller teams that pulled out, you know,
close wins. So my thought the whole time there was
just get the win. Just get the win. Just get
the win. It's all that matters. They went up fourteen
(17:14):
to thirteen in the second half. I thought, Okay, maybe
they'll put another field goal on them, another touchdown on them,
and they'll win the game. And then Riley Leonard throws
that interception that's returned thirty yards to the fifty yard line.
A couple first downs later, they kicked the field goal,
and unfortunately Notre Dame has done this before two years
(17:36):
ago to Marshall certain wiom and my son Mike and
Jake were here as well. So it it was crushing.
And I say this in all sincerity, congratulations in Northern Illinois.
I mean they they outplayed Notre Dame. They out It
wasn't fluky, it wasn't Oh my god, all these turnovers.
They outplayed Notre Dame in South Bend the first time
(17:59):
they ever went there, and kudos to them, tip of
the cap to them. Even Marcus Freeman said, Hey, maybe
we're basically reading the clippings, but coaching staff and players
and they let one slip away. They won't let one
slip away that they couldn't.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Yeah, but the good news is it's a twelve team
playoff and you know your your toughest game. I always say,
all their toughest game is USC but then tell that
to Notre Dame facing Northern Illinois, like, hey, weeke in
and week out. You know, you just can't slip up.
And they do this every year. It feels like there's
that one slip up game where you go, what is
(18:37):
going on here?
Speaker 5 (18:38):
The problem with they should be able to absorb another
loss and possibly make the twelve. But here's the situation.
I think we'll only have two losses up to twelve,
maybe a third depending on the season, but basically two
losses and if Notre Dame. If Notre Dame wins out,
they'll probably they'll they'll most likely be if they were
(19:01):
to lose another one. You put that Northern Illinois loss
up against somebody else with two losses, and it's probably
not going to be as bad a loss as Notre
Dame was to Northern Illinois, So that could have them
with two losses on the outside looking in, possibly.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Talking to Mike Golick. He is the co host of
Gojo Golick on DraftKings Network and you can see it
from eight am to ten am. Do players care about
the uniform when they do, like the Giants uniforms or
the Steelers throwbacks or the Packers three like the players
care when they're putting these things on.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
I think most don't. I know, I never did. I
think we are in an era of more style, where
where players have stylists to match their clothes to go
into walk into the game, you know, because they're on camera.
So I do think players are more aware of style
(19:59):
than they or years ago. But I think for the
most part, once a game starts, they don't care. Every
linemen are just trying to get air in their lungs,
you know, Receivers are just trying to catch balls. DB's
are trying to stop that. So I think once a
game starts, no, they don't for the most part, they
don't care how.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Closely are you watching the Deshaun Watson situation that it's
not about necessarily play on the field. Now you have
this civil lawsuit that's been refiled, and could the Cleveland
Browns get out from underneath this contract?
Speaker 5 (20:32):
And actually, Dan, everything is about play on the field.
Right When he signed with Cleveland, it was because he
had a great year in Houston and then sat for
games because he wanted to be traded, and he didn't
have any criminal charges against him, they were all civil
and he settled with ID think twenty three of the
twenty four or twenty two of the twenty three, and
(20:53):
the Browns and Haslam signed him because he played great
in Houston. That's why they say him and gave him that.
Then everybody thought a ridiculous contract that was just recently
beaten by Dak Prescott. And now the Browns they will
look to try and get out of this contract because
(21:14):
again of his quarterback play it being bad this time
that they'll look for a clause or a well they
have the clause or for a reason to get out
of this deal now. So while it's horrendous of what
went on off the field, of which he was suspended
eleven games, find five million dollars, and we all know
what he went through. But it's on the field, Dan
(21:36):
that controlled all of this, and fans hated it. Fans
hated the fact that the Browns signed him. But then
after a while, you're just gonna root for your colors,
You're gonna root for your jersey and try and root
for a win. But now that he's playing bad, it's like, hey,
can we get rid of him fast enough?
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Which NFL fan base should feel the worst today.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
Least Cincinnati though though Zach Taylor in weeks one and
two in his time in Houston is one in ten,
So that's a problem. That's a problem for the players
standpoint of execute on the field and the coaches standpoint
of not having them ready. But now New England, we know,
even with Bill Belichick and girod Mayo, who was a
(22:22):
linebacker coach under Bill, they're gonna have a tough defense.
But for their offense, and I know they didn't have
t Higgins and I don't think they tried to run
the ball enough in what was a one score game
going into the fourth quarter. But they have perennially been
bad the first two games, but to me, there was
no excuse to put up the small amount of points
(22:43):
that they did.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
As a former player, the difference between being hurt and
being injured is what.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
It's a gray area, man, It's a gray area. Was
a gray area to me because I was a tenth
rounder who started maybe my career and felt if I
left the field, I may not get back on the field.
So players are in different positions. For the most part,
players are tough and we'll want to work through. Now.
What has helped is I was pretty much get the
(23:16):
one to make the decision on whether I wanted to play,
whether I wanted to take the needle take the pill,
of which I did many many times to play. Now,
you know, you hear coaches say it's the doctor's decision.
If the doctor says no, then it's no. We could
talk our doctors into letting us play as long as
it wasn't too detrimental or you know, blown acl or
(23:40):
something like that. But we could talk the doctors into
a shot or letting us play. Now you can't. Now
it's a little more difficult to do that, and you'll
kind of have your helmet taken away from you, which
in all honesty is a good thing.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
What is that?
Speaker 7 (23:55):
Like?
Speaker 2 (23:55):
How long does it take you get the shot to
then you've feel the numbness or you don't feel anything.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
Oh. I mean there was a year, my year in Miami,
I got the cartilage torn in my ribs, between my
ribs in the in game one. I got shot up
before the game and at halftime for most of the season,
and it feels I mean, listen, you could have hit
me with a baseball bat and I wasn't gonna feel
a thing. And I've had that shot up, my shoulders,
(24:25):
shot up, my heel shot up. I mean, I've had
a lot of things. And I'm not saying this to
say I was this tough guy. I'm saying this as
this is what was done when I played. I mean,
there was a needle going into somebody all the time.
And people can think about it what they want to
think about. If they said, well, didn't you think about
what you were going to be like at fifty, I said,
I thought about playing on that Sunday and that was it. Again.
(24:46):
Players are smarter and take care of their bodies better today.
Don't get me wrong. It The shot though, worked. They
numbed the pain but man, when it wore off, whether
it was on the plane ride home or in a
home game, when I went home and went to bed,
you definitely felt that that's when the pain pills kicked in,
and that's when you know it could lead to opioid
(25:08):
problems for players. It wasn't pretty, Dan, It wasn't a
pretty way to go about your business.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Quarterback play in Week one, we're seeing touchdown passes down considerably.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
Why, well, I think defenses are ahead of offenses. You're
not playing your starters in preseason games as much, though.
I get it to a point because practicing with a
team for a couple of days before you play them
in preseason I think is actually more important. But still
it's not completely full go. It's not usually it's not
(25:42):
tackling into the ground. You certainly can't hit the quarterback
when you're practicing with another team. And in preseason starters
don't play a lot see Cincinnati and why they slow
start one in ten in under Zach Taylor in the
first two weeks, and defenses are normally ahead of offenses.
I think that has a lot to do with it.
I think we'll eventually go to an eighteen game schedule
(26:05):
will probably go down to two preseason games, so you'll
get even less work by the starters, and the offense
really needs to be in a timing rhythm. Defense needs
to as well, but the offense with all the different parts,
needs to be in sync, I think more than the defense.
And they're just not getting the reps in preseason that
(26:25):
they normally had gotten years ago.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
The commissioner has talked about the number of international games,
and I was told by source that they're going to
sell that package. The international games probably going to be
sold separately. The question is how many countries do you
think the NFL is going to try to play games
in the near future.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
As many dan as many as they can. I mean,
they are trying so hard to globalize the game. I
don't believe we will ever have a team overseas like
Jacksonville in London, or let alone a division overseas. I
don't think that will ether ever happen. But I think
and and this isn't like baseball and hockey when you
and and even football, where you have a lot of
(27:05):
overseas players playing in our sport. You don't have a
lot of that in the NFL. So the only way
way the NFL gets global the globalization of it is
to go play on their turf in their territory. So
they'll try and play everywhere. And you got to be careful.
I mean, you're talking ten hour flights, you're talking the
grass is horrible. But the players are highly paid. Uh players,
(27:29):
don't get me wrong, but they're still not the owners
who are grabbing this money from from games overseas or
out of the country and kind of conditions. Be damned situation.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
But can we give the fan too much football?
Speaker 5 (27:48):
Well, we can't give the the international fan too much
football because they don't see it that much.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
But obviously to us in the United States, can we
can we give you too much? Can we be gluttonous
that eventually you say enough, I'm backing away from the buffet.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
No, no, I don't think so. The only day there
hasn't been an actual schedule game after Christmas and Wednesday
this year is a Tuesday. There's been a game on
Tuesday because of a weather causing a game to you know,
be postponed a couple of days. But that's good. Tuesday
is going to be the only day an NFL game
hasn't been scheduled. You cannot have enough. I mean it is.
(28:24):
It is by far and away the most popular sport.
I remember there were NBA analysts saying, oh, the football
playing on Christmas isn't going to affect the NBA is
still king on it on Christmas. It's a joke. I mean,
it's not even close. And it rules the roost. And
I think college football quite honestly a second, but nothing
will affect people wanting to watch the NFL A big
(28:47):
reason you can gamble on it.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Do you remember a certain time one time when an
offensive lineman pancaked you, like it stood out out of
all the offensive linemen that you took on with. It
was just like, damn, that was different.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
Well, there were so many times. One time I played
against the late great Bill Freelik, who I actually played
against for years when he was at Pitt and I
was at Notre Dame, and then we played against each
other in the NFL. Man he pancaked me. Well, I
actually hurt my knee on the play and went on
(29:25):
ir for four weeks. He just folded me backwards and
I kind of bent back as I was trying to
fight it on my knee. That that because I was injured.
Was probably the one that I'll remember the most, but
I'm not gonna lie. It happened a couple of times.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
What was your super Bowl pick?
Speaker 5 (29:45):
My super Bowl pick this year is Detroit, Detroit over
Kansas City.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Okay, yeah, yeah, you know what. And I took the
Jets because I thought did okay, yeah, I I thought
that Robert Salah either gets fired after week twelve or
he's the coach of the year. I think the defense
is really good. I think Rogers will ease into things.
(30:11):
They got some playmakers there, and I thought, and maybe
it's trying to get you know, clickbait. I could have
taken Kansas City. I took Detroit as well, you know,
because Kansas City is right in front of you, and
sometimes what's in front of you, we don't want to
take that because nobody's going to notice if you say
I'm taking Kansas City to win it all exactly right.
(30:32):
But uh, I went kicking and screaming. I wanted to
change my pick to the Chiefs. When I'm like, no,
I'll stick with the Jets. I'm gonna have confidence in
you know, an angry Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
Well, I think Aaron and I think the russ will
kick off a little bit because we're used to seeing
Aaron was kind of Pat Mahomes before Pat Mahomes. Maybe
Pat Mahomes is a little more magician like. But Aaron
on the run, rolling right, rolling left, rowing, dropping dimes
was incredible. In this first game, he didn't do that much.
He just got rid of the ball. You know. He
(31:10):
was almost truly like a pocket quarterback when he can
be pretty dangerous outside the pocket. And I think he'll
get to that. And I agree. If they're going to
go somewhere, they're going to be led by their defense.
That's why it was a little disheartening to get run
on the way that defense got run on because they're
breaking in a new old lineman and they really got
Garrett Wilson and Breise Hall as your two main weapons.
(31:31):
But I get you wanting to go out on a
limb because our mutual friend Stu Gotts picked the Jets
and Chicago in the Super Bowl, so he really really
went out on a limb.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yeah, great to talk to you, my best of the family.
Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
You got it, did.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
That's Mike Golick, co host of Gojo and Golick on
DraftKings Network eight am to ten am, and yeah, had
to hit him with the Notre Dame question at some point.
Let's just get the band aid off there out of
the way. So how about we take a break, Last
Call for Phone Calls, what we learn, what's in store tomorrow,
this day in sports history, all of that Right after this, be.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Sure to catch the live edition of The Dan Patrick
Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
To summarize the Deshaun Watson situation we talked about pretty
much throughout the show. Started the show talking about this,
did Deshaun watch and disclose this new civil lawsuit that
has surfaced that is being refiled now, but it comes
from what happened in twenty twenty. If Deshaun Watson disclosed
(32:39):
this to the Browns, the issue is over. If he didn't,
and if he ends up being suspended for it, the
Browns could escape the final two years of a five
year deal. That comes from a source with the NFL.
Stat of today has been brought to you by Panadi America,
the official trading cards of the program. Last Call for
Phone Calls what we learn, what's in store tomorrow? Basketball
(33:01):
coming up tonight standalone game Las Vegas Aces against the
Indiana Fever on NBA TV. That's spicy standalone. Let me see.
How about Jim and Nevada. Hi, Jim, what's on your
mind today? Good morning Dan?
Speaker 9 (33:19):
I'm six five to eighty. Hey, I'm the Shahn Watson.
We're not to talk or even condone or his behavior,
but my thought was talking about you talked about the
NFL business three years ago, the kids, eighty kids, twenty
five years old, the criminals behind him in Texas. I
(33:42):
would assume he's represented by attorneys. He goes to negotiate
a contract with, you know, with the Browns, and then
when we assume with this representation that there would be
full disclosure or wouldn't he assumed that when it comes
down to the Browns in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
I would think so if if look, if you've already
had twenty three cases, then you've settled. Is there one
that you're not bringing up for a reason? Unless he
didn't know that there was another one. That's the only
thing that I can think of. But I would if
I'm the Cleveland Browns, I would say to Deshaun Watson.
(34:22):
We need full disclosure. We can't have any surprises here.
We're going out on a limb. We're going to make
this contract guaranteed. We're going all in on you. No surprises, Okay,
no surprises. Tell us everything you know and then then
we'll do this contract. Maybe they he didn't tell them,
Maybe he didn't know that this was going to be
(34:44):
something that was refiled, but it certainly sounds like there's
something there. I don't know how much is there, what's there,
but something is there. And that's just the start to
get some chatter here. Dave and Lancaster.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Hey Dave, Sorry, Dan, I just love calling just to
say thank you to you and the show and the
dan nets. Twenty three years ago on this day, I'm
an Army vet. Ten years I was on the DMZ
South and North Korea, and days like this you start
(35:21):
reflecting on what you're appreciative of, and I just want
to say thank you for always bringing joy and happiness
into my life. All I have is my son and sports,
and ten years in the army, that's the only thing
that kept me going was the sports. So I just
want to say thank you so much for always bringing
(35:42):
joy and I just wanted to reflect on that today.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Well you dan having Yeah, thank you for the phone
call day, thank you for your service there. Yeah, this
is a day to reflect, it's a day to remember.
That's why I love going to parades when they honor military,
certain Vietna, certainly the Vietnam veterans. Like I've been to
a Vietnam themed parade that was sparsely attended, and I
(36:14):
felt sad because, I mean, we don't want to remember
that those who served, but they still served. You know,
did we like why they were there? No, we didn't.
Did we know we weren't going to win that, Yes,
but they still served. I mean they're not World War
two heroes in people's eyes, but still they served. Whenever
(36:36):
I see Vietnam or Pow or I served, I mean,
there's so many of these people who give and give
without thinking. And that's what you had, you know, twenty
three years ago, first responders, emt you know, hospitals, nurses, firefighters,
(36:59):
police office. We saw it and then we got to
go back to whatever we were going to do. There
were people who saw it that became their job that
day for months and when my brothers in law would
tell me they were asked to go to funerals because
they didn't have enough firefighters to go to these funerals
(37:21):
to represent. They were asked to go even if they
didn't know the firefighter who might have died. And one
of my brothers in law he said they would go
to like, you know, three or four funerals or memorials
a day, sometimes on top of working, you know, cleaning
up World Trade Center and whatever. You could imagine seeing
(37:46):
in the debris there at the World Trade Center. I mean,
we throw around hero in sports. These are heroes. Those
are true heroes. You go in when everybody's coming out
a hero. Eli Manning will join us, coming up tomorrow,
Our good buddy Ross Tucker will stop buying. How about
(38:06):
this day in sports history Paul.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Nineteen eighty five. Pete Rose of the Reds got hit
forty one ninety two to break the record by Ty
Cobb nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Day, here's a little quiz.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
I think you'll get this one. Blank from the New
York Mets became the first NL infield to hit thirty
home runs and still thirty bases in a season nineteen
eighty seven for the Mets, Howard Johnson, Howard Johnson's correct
bop nineteen ninety nine, Brett Favre and Robert Brooks of
the Green Bay Packers completed a ninety nine yard touchdown
reception against the Bears to tie an NFL record.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Of course, you can't break it, Yeah, yeah, can't break it.
Pete Rose's hit was off Eric Shao of the Padres.
How about that. I'd love trivia like this. This is
what true trivia is. This guy, this guy homered in
his first at bat in the major leagues. He didn't
(38:56):
homer until his final at bat in the major leagues. Now,
he was only in baseball from nineteen sixty six to
nineteen sixty nine. First did bat homeward, Last did bat homeward.
Those are the only two home runs of his career.
You're not going to get it, Johnny Miller. First, he
(39:19):
played for the Yankees, so he hit a home run
in his first ad bat, and his second career home
run came in his final ad batch. Johnny Miller, that's
what he did. H That's a great trivia. Great trivia.
Uh Saturday Night, It's Big ten Saturday Night, Indiana UCLA
on NBC and PEA Conker comes Saturday night percent bye
(39:40):
discover final results of the poll question Seaton O'Connor.
Speaker 7 (39:43):
Let's go, we have up there, which was worse the
giants uniforms or the giants play right now they're play
still eking out the uniforms. Uniforms getting a sturdy forty
percent of that vote though.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Okay, yeah, I as soon as they came out on
the field, I said to a friend, where they better
be good today? And then all of a sudden, it
didn't take long before they weren't very good. Any other
poll results that you would like to wrap up? We
decided to not do any of the more controversial ones. Good,
that's probably good. Yeah, much to my chagrin. This actually
(40:18):
not says chagrin. It is sugar chagrin. And we learned,
we learned how to pronounce no, that's a bunch of crap. Well,
the English version of dower they call it door.
Speaker 7 (40:29):
They say it door, but for the rest of us,
for like a hundred years, it's been the standard pronunciation
in this country as dower.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Yeah, I've never heard dr. Nobody's ever heard of door. Yeah,
it's dower.
Speaker 7 (40:42):
Yeah, so whatever, I don't remember the caller's name. I'm
sticking with Dower. Probably he was from San Antonio.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
He could have been from Oxford or Cambridge, I don't know,
but yeah, Todd, would you learn today? After once pitching
him several potential SNL.
Speaker 5 (40:58):
Skits, Jimmy Fown was finally able to get Mick Jack
to agree to one show me all.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Seeton, What did you learn today? The rooster is outdated? Apparently? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (41:06):
Who knows?
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Love the rooster with Mick Jagger, Marvin the.
Speaker 6 (41:09):
Sona Reddicks lost six million dollars.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Woo Paul, Johnny Miller, Johnny Miller, Todd, would you learn today?
Speaker 5 (41:16):
Nate in Ohio is a very your brownspan right now?
He may not be able to shake those people?
Speaker 2 (41:20):
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