November 27, 2024 • 29 mins
Bobby and Justin are back for their mid week episode giving their mid-season ish All-Pro lists on offense
00:00 Intro + Welcome Dan Patrick
1:20 All Pro QB’s
9:20 Saquon Barkley, Derrick Henry then everyone else
19:05 Daniel Jones to Vikings Instant Reaction
20:55 All Pro WR’s
26:10 All Pro TE’s & OL
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Football Today, presented by Captain Morgan. I'm your
host Bobby Skinning here with my co host Justin Pennock,
and we're doing all pro teams uh this uh today
only offense. We did defense last week. I feel like
we got a pretty good grass on where this is
going to end. All Pro voting happens, you know sooner,
you know it's it's coming up on it with the season,
(00:20):
you know, what's six weeks away from being ended. Justin Pennock,
how you doing? How you feeling? Has anything changed since
we originally were going to do this two weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I think I changed the order of some guys, like
I maybe had on some guys first and then I
put them second. Yes, some things did change for me.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yes, yeah. So we're gonna do first team and second team.
I think wide receiver is what changed the most for me.
Running Backs flip flop for me, but quarterbacks stayed the same.
And we're gonna we're gonna start with quarterback. Who's your
first team All Pro quarterback?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Justin my first team All Pro quarterback. I want to
say first, Happy Thanksgiving for everybody who's listening.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Thanks for supporting us through football today, Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Tell us about your hey, comment what your friggin thankful for?
In the words of Bobby Skinner, and uh hello to
Dan Patrick. If this is if this makes it on
the Dan Patrick feed, happy to have you on John
Boy Media football football today. We're doing some good stuff.
Uh my first quarterback. This is something that I did
flip from two weeks ago. I now first have Lamar Jackson,
(01:25):
and I have Josh Allen, second, and then third for
honorable mention, I have Jared Goff.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I'm surprised that you left a name off of this
because I only did first team and second team. The
first team is Lamar. I feel like that this is
super like. You can make an argument for a couple
other guys maybe if you wanted to, but I feel
like this one is easy. He's the reigning MVP and
he's having a better season than he was, you know,
than then last year. You know, he's number one EPA
(01:57):
for play fifth and passing your yards for game first
and total. But he has that extra game first and
passing touchdowns only three interceptions. The only starter with less
is Justin Herbert. Then you get to the rushing staff,
where a six hundred yards which is most for quarterbacks,
and then three rushing touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Like at.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Last year he won the MVP, and I thought there
was arguments for the position players and stuff, and I think,
you know, Saquon might be making an argument to get
it this year if he breaks the rushing record. But
I feel like the difference is Lamar's having a typical
MVP year where last year I thought it was like
a down year for the quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Right if Lamar statistically was having the season that he
was having last year, then it's like, oh, come on, man,
Like there already was a pretty decent argument through this
time last year that maybe Tyreek Hill should get it,
but it would be all right, come on, you gotta
give this the saque We're going to talk about SIQ
one his ability to finish games and helping the Eagles
actually finish football games too, But even yards per attempt,
(02:54):
where Jared Goff is number one at nine, Lamar Jackson
the second at eight point nine. The rushing added on
top of the season that he's having is just I
don't know if this is you know, we all we
all try and say this when we talk about greatness,
but Bobby, I don't know if we've ever seen a
QB season like this where you have a weapon like
(03:17):
Lamar Jackson who is leading in yards, is leading a
touchdown almost an eight percent touchdown rate, not turning over
the ball less than a one percent interception rate, and
on top of that, he has you know some you know,
maybe some good RB twos or are getting six hundred
yards in the year, and he has that himself on
(03:37):
top of the scoring that he could do with his
legs himself. I don't know if we've ever seen a
QB season like this where a quarterback is so dominant
throwing the ball and then also a QB so dominant
running the ball.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Well, the only other one I could think of is
twenty nineteen Lamar.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Right, but the yards weren't really there, I don't think for.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Lamar dy plus passing touchdown, he gets two three interceptions
that year and that was I think he ended up
getting a thousand rushing yards that year too. So like
the only person that you can really compare to.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Is Ar.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yeah, you know, like Allan's had some like nice dual
threat years, but like last year, he led the league
in interceptions despite being like having a ton of rushing
yards to go with it. So yeah, like again, he's
he's clearly having a better season than last year. I
feel like this is easy. So you your second team
was who it was it was, It's Josh Allen, So
(04:33):
mine is Joe Burrow. Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
The only argument I would say against that this.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Is a positional award. This is not has nothing to
do all pro to me, has nothing to do with
team's success. Yeah, like do we do? Are are we gonna?
Are we gonna? You know? If let's say the let
me find an example. You bring up great, Okay, my
second team left guard justin he's on a bad team.
Should I hold that against him?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
No? Uh?
Speaker 1 (05:02):
You know so. I mean he's second in the NFL
in passing yards per game by a half yard to
Gino Smith. He's passing touchdowns, he's tied with Lamar with
one less game, only four interceptions, and he has a
number six scoring offense with the twenty ninth best rushing team.
It's not his fault that his defense sucks. So if
(05:23):
you want to get into like MVP, like you have
to be on a winning team for MVP type debate.
I'm fine with that. But just all pro, just best
at their position, Joe Burrow, Joe, Like, if Joe Burrow
had this type of season last year, you know, like
he would have he would have been the MVP over
Lamar to me, and you.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Would put Burrow Like, hey, if you want to, you know,
I don't. I don't even Jared. I don't have like
a big ringing endorsement for Jared Goff to be honest,
But I will even fight a little bit. You're willing
to put Joe Burrow ahead of Josh Allen what he's
done this year.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
I mean, he has ten more passing touchdowns, five hundred
more passing yards. I know Josh Allen adds that rushing yards,
but you can't. I think Burrow's been just much better
as a passer. I think Josh Allen. But like, even
though Josh Allen has slowed down the turnovers, which they've
it was like zero through like seven games and now
(06:17):
he's got five in the last four, he's not putting
up the same passing yards that he did, Like they
ran the ball a lot earlier in the year, and
now you're starting to see those numbers creep back up
for him. But Joe Burrow is doing a ton He
is and I.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Think you're you're talking about two teams that are super
dependent on their quarterbacks, right, And I think maybe Lamar
is in that conversation. I think sincey and Buffalo, I mean,
can name me another team that is like so QB
dependent on their success, I think those are the tops.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Buffalo has a halfway decent defense, right right, right.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
But my even argument, my even argument is is that
since he's infrastructure on off it's not defense. Uh, since
he's infrastructure on offense is better than what Josh Allen
and the Bills have. Now you can say the running
game is better, but I'm going receivers wise, I would
take Higgins then you know what they have in Buffalo
(07:14):
right now, at least until Amari Cooper is more consistent.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
For you, well, even even when a Mari Cooper comes back,
you're taking that Bengals passing offense, you know, system better.
But but again, he has no rushing attack, and you
know he's got the nice chasing and Higgins on the outside,
no doubt, but like he's still doing the damn thing.
And it's it's kind of a shame that like this
(07:40):
type of performance won't even get a shot in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
No, So that's why I'm not saying I'm wrong. I
picked my Bengals to to win the Super Bowl this year.
I knew Joe Burrow was gonna have an MVP like year.
I'm not wrong because it's happening.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Hey maybe let's you know what, let's they're not making
the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Know they're not.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
I've been that they're not making the playoffs. Guy, Yes,
and because they're the division they're in and their defense.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
The dream is dead. The dream is dead.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
But I just with the new seventeen thing. In seventeen games,
it's just like the end the hunt graphic is always
epic towards the end of the year.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Now there, I think they're down there. Their chances are
down on the twenties and the teams now and even
even if they start winning a little bit. So they
need the Broncos to just crash. And I mean, they
need a couple a lot of things happen, but they
need the Broncos to really crash and fail. And I
just don't know if that's gonna happen at this point.
But yeah, b Burrow has been phenomenal and it's gonna be.
It is going to be kind of like a a
wasted effort, and you don't know what's gonna happen with
(08:36):
the future of T Higgins, and you know the future
is some of these guys. So it's a shame that
it's a coming down.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Yeah right now, they're yeah, they're not making it. They're
al and and they're just not a good team.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I don't even know if they could string together wins
at this point.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
We're not We're not like they are. They aren't a
good team. All right, So first team I had Lamar's
second team, Joe Burrow, you're was first team Lamar second team,
Josh Allen, Yes, all right, you want to hit the
running backs.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Let's hit the running backs.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
So this is where it's at. Flip flopped for me
when I put together my original notes a couple of
weeks ago, and then we pushed this back because we
won the debuted debut hit for the Dan The Patrick
Dan Show first team Sakwon Barkley, second team, Derrick Henry. Right, Yeah,
I'm trying to think of like a rushing like a
(09:28):
top two rushers in the league, like having a season
like this. Maybe I should have thought about this before
the show, but I'm like, I can't remember the last time.
Maybe they're maybe it's CJ, Chris Johnson, Adrian Peterson and
that and that. You know that, you know, Chris Johnson
broke the scriminates yard. Let me look at two thousand
(09:49):
and nine rushing leaders.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
But it.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Eventually someone's gonna have to break. Now. Adrian Peters and
had a down not a down year. He had eighteen
rushing touchdowns and thirteen hundred yards, but he was fourth
in rushing after Thomas Jones and Steven Jackson. Down year.
Adrian Peterson definitely a Hall of Famer. Oh yeah, here's it.
Here's a quick name the running backs who are not
in the Hall of Fame that are going to get
(10:17):
in the Hall of Fame. And I'm not going back
from like the last five six years.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
The last five you're saying the last five six I think.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Adrian Peterson and Derrick Henry the only running backs who
haven't been eligible yet that are going to get into
the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Okay, yeah, that's that's fair. Is there anybody else like McCaffrey.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
McCaffrey maybe, but you forget McCaffrey had some I mean,
this is the third time where he's just missed significant time.
The third year he's at miss significant time.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
I feel like that's a fun offseason episode. Let's let's
put it, let's put a pin on that. Yeah, have
to talk about the future of the running back position.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
But Saquon, I mean first in the NFL rushing yards
are game with one hundred and twenty five ten rushing touchdowns,
which is it is a lot. But like you think
about Jalen Hurts has an rushing.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Touchdown cut from like ten and twenty plus yards away
from the end zone. It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Yeah, like he's getting these explosive plays like he is
him behind that Eagles offensive line, which was like, Saque's
always been a good running back, played behind us some
bad offensive lines with the Giants. The Eagles offensive line
was like, oh, makes DeAndre Swift look really good and
Miles Sanders look really good. Well, now you put a
running back like Saquon behind it, and now it's just
(11:28):
they can just flat out lean on their rushing attack
and it's and it's impossible to stop.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
I just had a scary thought. Imagine if a Saque
was on the twenty twenty two Eagles, where you had
Kelsey and uh had you didn't have mckaye Beckins looked
pretty good at guard, but you didn't have mkay beck
the playing at guard, that would have been a very scary,
scary site. But uh no, I mean Saquon Barkley, I
think has been the best finisher in the NFL his
(11:56):
first half and second half splits. I know some national
broadcasts have done a really good job of pointing this out,
but go on Pro Football Reference and look for yourself
and go under splits and click twenty twenty four where
he's almost doubling his yards per attempt in the second half.
He's almost doubling his yards from what he has in
the first half in the second half. And I think
particularly for this Eagles team, which they're kicking ass right now,
(12:19):
but you can, you know, maybe there's still some issues there,
but they are totally being I don't even want to
say covered up. But Sakuon Barkley has just in the
second half in their ability to close out these games.
It's just made the Eagles that much better and it's
made them a good team, maybe with some problems, to
a team that is currently kicking ass right now. And
(12:41):
Bobby let me even ask you this because I tried
kind of directing Rose in this direction on Monday Show.
But you know, I kind of want to hear your thoughts.
I feel like the kind of the older heads and
maybe the talking heads of NFL football that really like
to talk about on the second half, that's when that's
when you really start to lean on guys, even if
the run isn't really working in the first half. Sequon
(13:03):
Barkley and the Eagles is a is a clear example
as to tiring a defense down, wearing a defense down,
and then boom, you get to hit them for big
plays in the second half. Do you think it's it's
kind of that that simple and maybe that's why he's
hitting those big games or is it just Saquon Barkley
and the Eagles offensive lines really freaking good?
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Well, the being really freaking good part of it is
obviously part. But run defense is so much about focus
and effort, right, Like, you have to be focused, You
have to make sure you play your gap when they
pull somebody, we gotta we gotta move down a gap.
You got to have like you, It takes all leven
like you really, you really got to be totally focused
and it's just as a game gets going and it's tired,
(13:41):
it's hard to be the focus, right you see it
Like a corner will jump inside and then you are
able to bounce the play. So stuff like that. So yeah,
I do think it's a part of what they're what
they're doing. I didn't get the check Monday show, but
I saw you guys did Saquon MVP talk? Where are
you on that?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Is this a quarterback award or not? I don't think
he deserves it over Josh Allen or Lamar. But if
I had to make a list of you know, your
top five, I think I'm putting Saquon Barkley right now
as number three.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
I'd probably put him at number two over I don't
say it completely, but I try to lean a little
more into most outstanding instead of most valuable, because then
it's just a never ending argument of like, well, quarterbacks
most valuable. Yeah, it's it's just quarterback of the year.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Here's the thing. Here's the thing. If he breaks Eric
Dickerson's record, oh yeah, you got you can't. You can't
not give that guy the MVP. Like, I'm sorry, Lamar
you if someone breaks Eric Dickerson's record. You give him
the MVP that year. The last time that running back
got MVP or non quarterback got MVP was Agent Peterson.
That's when he came like seven yards short of Dickerson's record.
(14:55):
If you break that record, I'm sorry, Like running back
gets the MVP, don't talk to me about I understand,
I understand your arguments. I'm sorry, I'm getting him the MVP.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Yeah, I mean MVP. I feel like it's turned into
an EPA per Player award, even when I don't know
if voters are intentionally looking at EPA per play, but
it's very much turned into an EPA per Player award.
And you have Lamar Jackson as one and Josh Allen
has two in the NFL right now among quarterbacks, right so.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Second team running Back All Pro justin, I feel like
it's a shame that this guy's not gonna be first
team with Derrick Henry, I mean, his one hundred and
ten rushing yards per game is second in the NFL.
It's the best rushing yards per game season by like
a wide margin since twenty twenty when guess who Derrick
Henry had one hundred and twenty six yards per game
that year. So like, so he has one hundred and
(15:47):
ten rushing yards per game right, twenty twenty one's leader
one hundred and six, twenty twenty two's leader ninety seven
with Josh Jacobs, and then last year was Kyrine Williams
with with U ninety five and McCaffrey was second with
ninety one. Likes. He has thirteen touchdowns. That's three more
(16:08):
than you know, say, Kwon Barkley. Uh, like he's having
a bad as again, this is like one of the
better one to two punch running back seasons in a
long time. And then you forget, like what the Troy's
doing with their guys. They're two headed monster. It's running.
The ball is back and it's fun.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
You don't think that it could maybe keep flipping because
for the longest time, you know, even two weeks ago,
we wanted to do the show two weeks ago for
for Dan Patrick, but oh.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
It was until basically, yeah, two weeks ago, it would
have been Henry every week of the season.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
So I think it could flip. I don't think Barkley
is just you know, running away with it, so to speak.
If he keeps having these second half huge explosive plays
in the end. If the Eagles keep kicking s, he'll
keep it. But I think Derrick Henry's just consistency. If
any team can, you know, pitch Barkley out to a
little bit of a quote unquote shutout of you know,
averaging four point four yards per carry in the first
(16:58):
half like he's doing so far this year, and in
the second half you have a just five and then
Derrick Henry has some more of these just big old
consistent games. I think I think it could easily flip
a week week in and week out as the season
goes on between Henry and Henry and Barkley. I'm not
ready to say that Barkley's just gonna run away with
it yet.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
I think he's gonna run away with it because one,
he's played one more game or one less game than
Derrick Henry, unless injury is the only thing that could
he's played one less game than than Henry, and the
Eagles scheduled now they have the Ravens matchup coming up
this week, which is, you know, game of the week.
Then you have Panthers Steel's a good run defense, but
(17:37):
ability to be ran on, Commanders, Cowboys, Giants, I think
they're going to run the ball a lot in those matchups.
And again, sixteen yards per game is just a huge difference, right, Yeah,
So it's just it would be really really hard to do.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
So I just once you talk to us about something
before we get into the wide receiver, we'll talk.
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Speaker 2 (19:13):
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Speaker 1 (19:18):
The Vikings I feel like would have been a good
spot for him or sorry, but the Vikings are a
great spot for any quarterback, and I think they're going
to try and resign him as the backup for JJ
McCarthy next year, where I don't know if the Ravens
were going to try and spend money to resign Daniel Jones.
I think I think he looked at it from a
point of view He's like, this is where I could
(19:39):
make my this is where I can I can be
the quarterback next year JJ McCarthy coming off that injury.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah, maybe maybe even to start. I mean, I think McCarthy,
should you kind of be ready.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
McCarthy the start week one. Next year you get picked,
you trade up in the first round. For you guys,
gotta be the start of the week two, especially two.
He sat for an entire year, you know, sap due
to injury. But but I have this theory that a
lot of like scouting the league is how well did
they play against us? And Daniel Jones played really bad
in Week one, but he did have those you know,
(20:11):
those good games in twenty twenty two when they made
the playoffs. You know they played well. He played well
against them in the regular season as well too. But
that Vikings offense, I mean, it's a it's a good
fit for Damn. If you're not a good fit for
the Vikings offense, you're just horrible. Like the god, you
don't belong in the league. If you're not a good
fit for the Vikings offense.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
So yeah, good landing spot, good landing spot. I thought
that maybe he would go to the Ravens, where he's.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Also signing to the practice squad, so like he could
change teams if he really wanted to.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
So yeah, yeah, all right, good, good for him, good
for dj Yeah, and and the Vikings aren't going to
resign Sam Darnold there, all.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Right, all Pro wide receivers. Just in the first team.
I've got Jamar Chase obviously leaves the NFL in yards
with you know, you know, with a thousand by over,
you know, one hundred more than the next guy second
in catches first and yards and touchdowns. His twelve touchdowns
are three more than second place in a Monroe justin Jefferson,
(21:15):
who's second, and in yards. And then I put Terry
McLaurin third, not third the first. I put three first
team All All Pro wider so I also have three Jeffson,
Terry McLaurin.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
I also have three run a little bit of eleven personnel.
I have Jamar Chase, same as you, Justin Jefferson, same
as you. This guy has missed some time, but I
think when it's all said and done, we're going to
be talking about him as as a possible first team all.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I brought him second team.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
AJ Brown.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Oh okay, there's another guy I was thinking of that
I put the second team A. J.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Brown is currently Now you have to go. You have
to He doesn't have like a ton of targets compared
to the rest of the NFL, but he's top five
in yards per perception. I believe he is first in
yards per route run among guys with twenty percent of
the qualified targets on PFF, so he's first in yards
per route run. I think yards parrette run is one
of the more better efficiency stats when it comes to
(22:15):
wide receivers in terms of how effective you actually are.
So AJ Brown and we talk about Saquon Barkley and
he's gotten the light, he's got the shine, and I
think rightfully so. But AJ Brown has been pretty damn
good for these Philadelphia Eagles as well. Number one in
the NFL in yards perrette run.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
I have a number three, So yours is Jamar Chase
Jefferson and AJ Brown.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yeah, Chase just yards after the catch wise has been
phenomenal this year. I'll be honest. People have always talked
about that Chase is really good yards after the catch.
I didn't know that he had this much in him
this year, just seeing the big plays and game changing
plays week in and week out, what should be game
changing winning plays for the Cincinnati Bengals, but their defense
just gives it away. And justin Jefferson, you know that
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offense is nowhere near as effective as it can be,
or as it is without the presence of him.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
We all know this. Yeah, and Chase has just been ridiculous.
So I put in McLaurin as my third. I mean,
we've known, you know me, and you have known mclaurin's
a beast since like Week three of twenty nineteen because
he's in division with us, and I kind of really
liked him in the draft. He's starting to get his
flowers more because with Jayden Daniels as QB and I
know the Commanders have had a little bit of a
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rough patch, but you know, a thousand yards four straight
years with bad QB play. He's fourth in yards this year,
third and touchdowns. Like Terry, McLaurin has hasn't always been
a true blue wide receiver one in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah, I he's tenth in yards per Retroun. So that's
a really good, really good call by you. I have,
like Aman Ross Saint Brown kind of even in front
of Terry two.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
But let's let's do our second team, so we could
talk about my second teams. Is Nico Collins. I mean
he's smoking the field in yards per game, but you
know he's only played the seven games. And then a
Monross Saint Brown, who's eighth in yards but second in touchdowns.
Team is a bit at run heavy. And then they
put Ceedee Lamb. You know, Ceed's third in yards, but
he's force fed a time. I mean he has fifteen
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more targets than Jamar Chase, twenty nine more targets than
Justin Jefferson, who are both ahead of him in yards.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Yeah, I would have Nico Collins second team as well.
I mean he's seven games and he's eleventh in receiving
in the NFL. A Monross Saint Brown, I just think
him as a blocker and like everything that Detroit does,
it's kind of like leaning on him as well. Of
course with that run game, but he is just so
talented himself. He could put him in line and he
can be effective there for you too, and I have
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George Pickens. I think George Pickens has kind of really
changed and transcended that Steelers offense to becoming somewhat of
a force as well. And he's sixth in the NFL
in receiving yards as well. Yeah, Terry hasn't beenist Can
I tell you Terry hasn't been consistent enough for me.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Like on a game in the game stat basis.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Or yeah, which I which this is me being like
eye test and and feel and this is just a feeling.
This isn't me like looking at his box score. But
I'm even like I'm even speaking as like a McLaurin
fantasy owner, And there would be the early portion of
the season where he kind of like wasn't wasn't there for.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Me, you know, I mean that was just two games basically,
I know. And here's the other thing is the Commanders
don't have other receiving options, so like he's like very
easily double teams. Yeah, you know. And even in like
a game where he was doubled a lot was the
Giants a half a weeks he had two catches. We'll
guess what. He also had two touchdowns in the game.
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So yeah, he does have some dud games, but so
has pecans. This is true, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
And mclaurin's seven touchdowns is pretty is pretty damn good
too to Pickens is too.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Yeah he And again mclaurin's fourth and yards third and
touchdowns like yeah, I can live with that. And then
so second team is at Nico Monrae and Cee Liam
all right tight ends quick, Yeah, first team, second team.
I put George Kittle first team. He's third in yards,
but he u one hundred and two behind Bowers, but
he's played two less games, and his eight touchdowns is
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third most in the league for wide receivers and tight ends,
like the only the only the tight end in the
top five for yards who's touched, Like, let me rephrase this,
So top five tight ends and receiving yards. The second
most touchdowns to George Kittle is John new Smith with four.
He's the best blocker of the bunch. So I put
I put Kittle first team for the touchdowns and the
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fact Bowers is just he's all that offense has, so
they force feed him. But he's having a great year
and he's like, you know, sometimes tight ends can come
on a little slow. Brock Bowers has not done that.
So I put Kittle first team, brock Bowers second team.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Brock Bowers is seventeen. Game pace is one hundred and
nineteen receptions, twelve hundred yards, five touchdowns. The most receptions
by a rookie tight is eighty six and the most
receptions ever by a tight end is one hundred and sixteen.
This is we're going to witness the best rookie tight
end season ever, and we may just witness I don't
want to say one of the best, because, like I said,
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the Raiders are force feeding him the ball. But he's
on pace to break the receptions record by a tight end,
which is absolutely nuts. I have we don't have a
lot of time to debate this. I have Trey McBride
as first team. And here's why I.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Would love to put Trey McBride in here.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
But he has no touchhounds. He has one rushing touchdown,
and Kittle has him over and Kittle has him with
the touchhounds. I've nicknamed McBride the agenda. You want to
know why, because he helps you stay on schedule. Trey McBride,
I think, is leading the NFL in amongst tight end
sixty eight percent of his catches. Our first read, Kyler
Murray's first read. The ball's going to him. He helps
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this Cara, this Arizona offense just stand schedule, avoiding third downs.
So I have him first team, even though Kittle is
first in yards per roup run and McBride a second.
McBride betteran yards pert run than last year. And then
I do have Brock Bowers second. So no Kittle, who's
thirteen yards and a time honorable mention. I think I
just I'm liking the season that you know we've seen
it from Kittle. I'm liking the seasons that we're seeing
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out of McBride and McBride and Bowers more.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
All right, offensive line, let's do quickly. Yep, uh, just
what you just want to talk about? Offensive line? I
hate to do this to you guys, that we've got
to offensive line. First team left tackle Tristan Wurf's left guard,
Joe Thoney, center, Creed Humphrey, right guard, Kevin Zeitler, right
tackle Lane Johnson. Second team. I have Taron Armsta at
left tackle, Quintin Nelson at left guard, Tyler Linderbaum at center,
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Quinn Miners at right guard, and right tackle, Penney stewel.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Man. Offensive lines have fun this year. The guys that
are good, they're good every year. Tristian Wurf's at left tackle.
I have a clean sweep of Kansas City Chiefs in
the interior with Joe Thuney, Creed Humphrey, Trey Smith. I
have Penny Sewell at right tackle. I think him being
a really good run blocker, the difference between him and
Lane Johnson. But I have Lane Johnson on my second team,
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and I don't feel I don't feel confident enough to
really give a full second team because I don't watch
these offensive linement enough.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Well you don't. You don't have to because we gotta go.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
We gotta go.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
So we appreciate you guys. We will see you on
the next one. Have a happy bringing, Thanksginning, Thanksgiving. Until then,
this is football today.
Welcome to Football Today, presented by Captain Morgan. I'm your
host Bobby Skinning here with my co host Justin Pennock,
and we're doing all pro teams uh this uh today
only offense. We did defense last week. I feel like
we got a pretty good grass on where this is
going to end. All Pro voting happens, you know sooner,
you know it's it's coming up on it with the season,
(00:20):
you know, what's six weeks away from being ended. Justin Pennock,
how you doing? How you feeling? Has anything changed since
we originally were going to do this two weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I think I changed the order of some guys, like
I maybe had on some guys first and then I
put them second. Yes, some things did change for me.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yes, yeah. So we're gonna do first team and second team.
I think wide receiver is what changed the most for me.
Running Backs flip flop for me, but quarterbacks stayed the same.
And we're gonna we're gonna start with quarterback. Who's your
first team All Pro quarterback?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Justin my first team All Pro quarterback. I want to
say first, Happy Thanksgiving for everybody who's listening.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Thanks for supporting us through football today, Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
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In the words of Bobby Skinner, and uh hello to
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Boy Media football football today. We're doing some good stuff.
Uh my first quarterback. This is something that I did
flip from two weeks ago. I now first have Lamar Jackson,
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and I have Josh Allen, second, and then third for
honorable mention, I have Jared Goff.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I'm surprised that you left a name off of this
because I only did first team and second team. The
first team is Lamar. I feel like that this is
super like. You can make an argument for a couple
other guys maybe if you wanted to, but I feel
like this one is easy. He's the reigning MVP and
he's having a better season than he was, you know,
than then last year. You know, he's number one EPA
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for play fifth and passing your yards for game first
and total. But he has that extra game first and
passing touchdowns only three interceptions. The only starter with less
is Justin Herbert. Then you get to the rushing staff,
where a six hundred yards which is most for quarterbacks,
and then three rushing touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Like at.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Last year he won the MVP, and I thought there
was arguments for the position players and stuff, and I think,
you know, Saquon might be making an argument to get
it this year if he breaks the rushing record. But
I feel like the difference is Lamar's having a typical
MVP year where last year I thought it was like
a down year for the quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Right if Lamar statistically was having the season that he
was having last year, then it's like, oh, come on, man,
Like there already was a pretty decent argument through this
time last year that maybe Tyreek Hill should get it,
but it would be all right, come on, you gotta
give this the saque We're going to talk about SIQ
one his ability to finish games and helping the Eagles
actually finish football games too, But even yards per attempt,
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where Jared Goff is number one at nine, Lamar Jackson
the second at eight point nine. The rushing added on
top of the season that he's having is just I
don't know if this is you know, we all we
all try and say this when we talk about greatness,
but Bobby, I don't know if we've ever seen a
QB season like this where you have a weapon like
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Lamar Jackson who is leading in yards, is leading a
touchdown almost an eight percent touchdown rate, not turning over
the ball less than a one percent interception rate, and
on top of that, he has you know some you know,
maybe some good RB twos or are getting six hundred
yards in the year, and he has that himself on
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top of the scoring that he could do with his
legs himself. I don't know if we've ever seen a
QB season like this where a quarterback is so dominant
throwing the ball and then also a QB so dominant
running the ball.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Well, the only other one I could think of is
twenty nineteen Lamar.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Right, but the yards weren't really there, I don't think for.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Lamar dy plus passing touchdown, he gets two three interceptions
that year and that was I think he ended up
getting a thousand rushing yards that year too. So like
the only person that you can really compare to.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Is Ar.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yeah, you know, like Allan's had some like nice dual
threat years, but like last year, he led the league
in interceptions despite being like having a ton of rushing
yards to go with it. So yeah, like again, he's
he's clearly having a better season than last year. I
feel like this is easy. So you your second team
was who it was it was, It's Josh Allen, So
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mine is Joe Burrow. Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
The only argument I would say against that this.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Is a positional award. This is not has nothing to
do all pro to me, has nothing to do with
team's success. Yeah, like do we do? Are are we gonna?
Are we gonna? You know? If let's say the let
me find an example. You bring up great, Okay, my
second team left guard justin he's on a bad team.
Should I hold that against him?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
No? Uh?
Speaker 1 (05:02):
You know so. I mean he's second in the NFL
in passing yards per game by a half yard to
Gino Smith. He's passing touchdowns, he's tied with Lamar with
one less game, only four interceptions, and he has a
number six scoring offense with the twenty ninth best rushing team.
It's not his fault that his defense sucks. So if
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you want to get into like MVP, like you have
to be on a winning team for MVP type debate.
I'm fine with that. But just all pro, just best
at their position, Joe Burrow, Joe, Like, if Joe Burrow
had this type of season last year, you know, like
he would have he would have been the MVP over
Lamar to me, and you.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Would put Burrow Like, hey, if you want to, you know,
I don't. I don't even Jared. I don't have like
a big ringing endorsement for Jared Goff to be honest,
But I will even fight a little bit. You're willing
to put Joe Burrow ahead of Josh Allen what he's
done this year.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
I mean, he has ten more passing touchdowns, five hundred
more passing yards. I know Josh Allen adds that rushing yards,
but you can't. I think Burrow's been just much better
as a passer. I think Josh Allen. But like, even
though Josh Allen has slowed down the turnovers, which they've
it was like zero through like seven games and now
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he's got five in the last four, he's not putting
up the same passing yards that he did, Like they
ran the ball a lot earlier in the year, and
now you're starting to see those numbers creep back up
for him. But Joe Burrow is doing a ton He
is and I.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Think you're you're talking about two teams that are super
dependent on their quarterbacks, right, And I think maybe Lamar
is in that conversation. I think sincey and Buffalo, I mean,
can name me another team that is like so QB
dependent on their success, I think those are the tops.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Buffalo has a halfway decent defense, right right, right.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
But my even argument, my even argument is is that
since he's infrastructure on off it's not defense. Uh, since
he's infrastructure on offense is better than what Josh Allen
and the Bills have. Now you can say the running
game is better, but I'm going receivers wise, I would
take Higgins then you know what they have in Buffalo
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right now, at least until Amari Cooper is more consistent.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
For you, well, even even when a Mari Cooper comes back,
you're taking that Bengals passing offense, you know, system better.
But but again, he has no rushing attack, and you
know he's got the nice chasing and Higgins on the outside,
no doubt, but like he's still doing the damn thing.
And it's it's kind of a shame that like this
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type of performance won't even get a shot in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
No, So that's why I'm not saying I'm wrong. I
picked my Bengals to to win the Super Bowl this year.
I knew Joe Burrow was gonna have an MVP like year.
I'm not wrong because it's happening.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Hey maybe let's you know what, let's they're not making
the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Know they're not.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
I've been that they're not making the playoffs. Guy, Yes,
and because they're the division they're in and their defense.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
The dream is dead. The dream is dead.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
But I just with the new seventeen thing. In seventeen games,
it's just like the end the hunt graphic is always
epic towards the end of the year.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Now there, I think they're down there. Their chances are
down on the twenties and the teams now and even
even if they start winning a little bit. So they
need the Broncos to just crash. And I mean, they
need a couple a lot of things happen, but they
need the Broncos to really crash and fail. And I
just don't know if that's gonna happen at this point.
But yeah, b Burrow has been phenomenal and it's gonna be.
It is going to be kind of like a a
wasted effort, and you don't know what's gonna happen with
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the future of T Higgins, and you know the future
is some of these guys. So it's a shame that
it's a coming down.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Yeah right now, they're yeah, they're not making it. They're
al and and they're just not a good team.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I don't even know if they could string together wins
at this point.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
We're not We're not like they are. They aren't a
good team. All right, So first team I had Lamar's
second team, Joe Burrow, you're was first team Lamar second team,
Josh Allen, Yes, all right, you want to hit the
running backs.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Let's hit the running backs.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
So this is where it's at. Flip flopped for me
when I put together my original notes a couple of
weeks ago, and then we pushed this back because we
won the debuted debut hit for the Dan The Patrick
Dan Show first team Sakwon Barkley, second team, Derrick Henry. Right, Yeah,
I'm trying to think of like a rushing like a
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top two rushers in the league, like having a season
like this. Maybe I should have thought about this before
the show, but I'm like, I can't remember the last time.
Maybe they're maybe it's CJ, Chris Johnson, Adrian Peterson and
that and that. You know that, you know, Chris Johnson
broke the scriminates yard. Let me look at two thousand
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and nine rushing leaders.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
But it.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Eventually someone's gonna have to break. Now. Adrian Peters and
had a down not a down year. He had eighteen
rushing touchdowns and thirteen hundred yards, but he was fourth
in rushing after Thomas Jones and Steven Jackson. Down year.
Adrian Peterson definitely a Hall of Famer. Oh yeah, here's it.
Here's a quick name the running backs who are not
in the Hall of Fame that are going to get
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in the Hall of Fame. And I'm not going back
from like the last five six years.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
The last five you're saying the last five six I think.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Adrian Peterson and Derrick Henry the only running backs who
haven't been eligible yet that are going to get into
the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Okay, yeah, that's that's fair. Is there anybody else like McCaffrey.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
McCaffrey maybe, but you forget McCaffrey had some I mean,
this is the third time where he's just missed significant time.
The third year he's at miss significant time.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
I feel like that's a fun offseason episode. Let's let's
put it, let's put a pin on that. Yeah, have
to talk about the future of the running back position.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
But Saquon, I mean first in the NFL rushing yards
are game with one hundred and twenty five ten rushing touchdowns,
which is it is a lot. But like you think
about Jalen Hurts has an rushing.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Touchdown cut from like ten and twenty plus yards away
from the end zone. It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Yeah, like he's getting these explosive plays like he is
him behind that Eagles offensive line, which was like, Saque's
always been a good running back, played behind us some
bad offensive lines with the Giants. The Eagles offensive line
was like, oh, makes DeAndre Swift look really good and
Miles Sanders look really good. Well, now you put a
running back like Saquon behind it, and now it's just
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they can just flat out lean on their rushing attack
and it's and it's impossible to stop.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
I just had a scary thought. Imagine if a Saque
was on the twenty twenty two Eagles, where you had
Kelsey and uh had you didn't have mckaye Beckins looked
pretty good at guard, but you didn't have mkay beck
the playing at guard, that would have been a very scary,
scary site. But uh no, I mean Saquon Barkley, I
think has been the best finisher in the NFL his
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first half and second half splits. I know some national
broadcasts have done a really good job of pointing this out,
but go on Pro Football Reference and look for yourself
and go under splits and click twenty twenty four where
he's almost doubling his yards per attempt in the second half.
He's almost doubling his yards from what he has in
the first half in the second half. And I think
particularly for this Eagles team, which they're kicking ass right now,
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but you can, you know, maybe there's still some issues there,
but they are totally being I don't even want to
say covered up. But Sakuon Barkley has just in the
second half in their ability to close out these games.
It's just made the Eagles that much better and it's
made them a good team, maybe with some problems, to
a team that is currently kicking ass right now. And
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Bobby let me even ask you this because I tried
kind of directing Rose in this direction on Monday Show.
But you know, I kind of want to hear your thoughts.
I feel like the kind of the older heads and
maybe the talking heads of NFL football that really like
to talk about on the second half, that's when that's
when you really start to lean on guys, even if
the run isn't really working in the first half. Sequon
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Barkley and the Eagles is a is a clear example
as to tiring a defense down, wearing a defense down,
and then boom, you get to hit them for big
plays in the second half. Do you think it's it's
kind of that that simple and maybe that's why he's
hitting those big games or is it just Saquon Barkley
and the Eagles offensive lines really freaking good?
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Well, the being really freaking good part of it is
obviously part. But run defense is so much about focus
and effort, right, Like, you have to be focused, You
have to make sure you play your gap when they
pull somebody, we gotta we gotta move down a gap.
You got to have like you, It takes all leven
like you really, you really got to be totally focused
and it's just as a game gets going and it's tired,
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it's hard to be the focus, right you see it
Like a corner will jump inside and then you are
able to bounce the play. So stuff like that. So yeah,
I do think it's a part of what they're what
they're doing. I didn't get the check Monday show, but
I saw you guys did Saquon MVP talk? Where are
you on that?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Is this a quarterback award or not? I don't think
he deserves it over Josh Allen or Lamar. But if
I had to make a list of you know, your
top five, I think I'm putting Saquon Barkley right now
as number three.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
I'd probably put him at number two over I don't
say it completely, but I try to lean a little
more into most outstanding instead of most valuable, because then
it's just a never ending argument of like, well, quarterbacks
most valuable. Yeah, it's it's just quarterback of the year.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Here's the thing. Here's the thing. If he breaks Eric
Dickerson's record, oh yeah, you got you can't. You can't
not give that guy the MVP. Like, I'm sorry, Lamar
you if someone breaks Eric Dickerson's record. You give him
the MVP that year. The last time that running back
got MVP or non quarterback got MVP was Agent Peterson.
That's when he came like seven yards short of Dickerson's record.
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If you break that record, I'm sorry, Like running back
gets the MVP, don't talk to me about I understand,
I understand your arguments. I'm sorry, I'm getting him the MVP.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Yeah, I mean MVP. I feel like it's turned into
an EPA per Player award, even when I don't know
if voters are intentionally looking at EPA per play, but
it's very much turned into an EPA per Player award.
And you have Lamar Jackson as one and Josh Allen
has two in the NFL right now among quarterbacks, right so.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Second team running Back All Pro justin, I feel like
it's a shame that this guy's not gonna be first
team with Derrick Henry, I mean, his one hundred and
ten rushing yards per game is second in the NFL.
It's the best rushing yards per game season by like
a wide margin since twenty twenty when guess who Derrick
Henry had one hundred and twenty six yards per game
that year. So like, so he has one hundred and
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ten rushing yards per game right, twenty twenty one's leader
one hundred and six, twenty twenty two's leader ninety seven
with Josh Jacobs, and then last year was Kyrine Williams
with with U ninety five and McCaffrey was second with
ninety one. Likes. He has thirteen touchdowns. That's three more
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than you know, say, Kwon Barkley. Uh, like he's having
a bad as again, this is like one of the
better one to two punch running back seasons in a
long time. And then you forget, like what the Troy's
doing with their guys. They're two headed monster. It's running.
The ball is back and it's fun.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
You don't think that it could maybe keep flipping because
for the longest time, you know, even two weeks ago,
we wanted to do the show two weeks ago for
for Dan Patrick, but oh.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
It was until basically, yeah, two weeks ago, it would
have been Henry every week of the season.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
So I think it could flip. I don't think Barkley
is just you know, running away with it, so to speak.
If he keeps having these second half huge explosive plays
in the end. If the Eagles keep kicking s, he'll
keep it. But I think Derrick Henry's just consistency. If
any team can, you know, pitch Barkley out to a
little bit of a quote unquote shutout of you know,
averaging four point four yards per carry in the first
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half like he's doing so far this year, and in
the second half you have a just five and then
Derrick Henry has some more of these just big old
consistent games. I think I think it could easily flip
a week week in and week out as the season
goes on between Henry and Henry and Barkley. I'm not
ready to say that Barkley's just gonna run away with
it yet.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
I think he's gonna run away with it because one,
he's played one more game or one less game than
Derrick Henry, unless injury is the only thing that could
he's played one less game than than Henry, and the
Eagles scheduled now they have the Ravens matchup coming up
this week, which is, you know, game of the week.
Then you have Panthers Steel's a good run defense, but
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ability to be ran on, Commanders, Cowboys, Giants, I think
they're going to run the ball a lot in those matchups.
And again, sixteen yards per game is just a huge difference, right, Yeah,
So it's just it would be really really hard to do.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
So I just once you talk to us about something
before we get into the wide receiver, we'll talk.
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Speaker 1 (19:05):
Yeah, you're I was getting ready to lie to you
about it and it happened.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
What are your instant thoughts as I write down the timestamp?
Speaker 1 (19:18):
The Vikings I feel like would have been a good
spot for him or sorry, but the Vikings are a
great spot for any quarterback, and I think they're going
to try and resign him as the backup for JJ
McCarthy next year, where I don't know if the Ravens
were going to try and spend money to resign Daniel Jones.
I think I think he looked at it from a
point of view He's like, this is where I could
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make my this is where I can I can be
the quarterback next year JJ McCarthy coming off that injury.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah, maybe maybe even to start. I mean, I think McCarthy,
should you kind of be ready.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
McCarthy the start week one. Next year you get picked,
you trade up in the first round. For you guys,
gotta be the start of the week two, especially two.
He sat for an entire year, you know, sap due
to injury. But but I have this theory that a
lot of like scouting the league is how well did
they play against us? And Daniel Jones played really bad
in Week one, but he did have those you know,
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those good games in twenty twenty two when they made
the playoffs. You know they played well. He played well
against them in the regular season as well too. But
that Vikings offense, I mean, it's a it's a good
fit for Damn. If you're not a good fit for
the Vikings offense, you're just horrible. Like the god, you
don't belong in the league. If you're not a good
fit for the Vikings offense.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
So yeah, good landing spot, good landing spot. I thought
that maybe he would go to the Ravens, where he's.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Also signing to the practice squad, so like he could
change teams if he really wanted to.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
So yeah, yeah, all right, good, good for him, good
for dj Yeah, and and the Vikings aren't going to
resign Sam Darnold there, all.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Right, all Pro wide receivers. Just in the first team.
I've got Jamar Chase obviously leaves the NFL in yards
with you know, you know, with a thousand by over,
you know, one hundred more than the next guy second
in catches first and yards and touchdowns. His twelve touchdowns
are three more than second place in a Monroe justin Jefferson,
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who's second, and in yards. And then I put Terry
McLaurin third, not third the first. I put three first
team All All Pro wider so I also have three Jeffson,
Terry McLaurin.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
I also have three run a little bit of eleven personnel.
I have Jamar Chase, same as you, Justin Jefferson, same
as you. This guy has missed some time, but I
think when it's all said and done, we're going to
be talking about him as as a possible first team all.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I brought him second team.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
AJ Brown.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Oh okay, there's another guy I was thinking of that
I put the second team A. J.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Brown is currently Now you have to go. You have
to He doesn't have like a ton of targets compared
to the rest of the NFL, but he's top five
in yards per perception. I believe he is first in
yards per route run among guys with twenty percent of
the qualified targets on PFF, so he's first in yards
per route run. I think yards parrette run is one
of the more better efficiency stats when it comes to
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wide receivers in terms of how effective you actually are.
So AJ Brown and we talk about Saquon Barkley and
he's gotten the light, he's got the shine, and I
think rightfully so. But AJ Brown has been pretty damn
good for these Philadelphia Eagles as well. Number one in
the NFL in yards perrette run.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
I have a number three, So yours is Jamar Chase
Jefferson and AJ Brown.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yeah, Chase just yards after the catch wise has been
phenomenal this year. I'll be honest. People have always talked
about that Chase is really good yards after the catch.
I didn't know that he had this much in him
this year, just seeing the big plays and game changing
plays week in and week out, what should be game
changing winning plays for the Cincinnati Bengals, but their defense
just gives it away. And justin Jefferson, you know that
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offense is nowhere near as effective as it can be,
or as it is without the presence of him.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
We all know this. Yeah, and Chase has just been ridiculous.
So I put in McLaurin as my third. I mean,
we've known, you know me, and you have known mclaurin's
a beast since like Week three of twenty nineteen because
he's in division with us, and I kind of really
liked him in the draft. He's starting to get his
flowers more because with Jayden Daniels as QB and I
know the Commanders have had a little bit of a
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rough patch, but you know, a thousand yards four straight
years with bad QB play. He's fourth in yards this year,
third and touchdowns. Like Terry, McLaurin has hasn't always been
a true blue wide receiver one in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah, I he's tenth in yards per Retroun. So that's
a really good, really good call by you. I have,
like Aman Ross Saint Brown kind of even in front
of Terry two.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
But let's let's do our second team, so we could
talk about my second teams. Is Nico Collins. I mean
he's smoking the field in yards per game, but you
know he's only played the seven games. And then a
Monross Saint Brown, who's eighth in yards but second in touchdowns.
Team is a bit at run heavy. And then they
put Ceedee Lamb. You know, Ceed's third in yards, but
he's force fed a time. I mean he has fifteen
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more targets than Jamar Chase, twenty nine more targets than
Justin Jefferson, who are both ahead of him in yards.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Yeah, I would have Nico Collins second team as well.
I mean he's seven games and he's eleventh in receiving
in the NFL. A Monross Saint Brown, I just think
him as a blocker and like everything that Detroit does,
it's kind of like leaning on him as well. Of
course with that run game, but he is just so
talented himself. He could put him in line and he
can be effective there for you too, and I have
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George Pickens. I think George Pickens has kind of really
changed and transcended that Steelers offense to becoming somewhat of
a force as well. And he's sixth in the NFL
in receiving yards as well. Yeah, Terry hasn't beenist Can
I tell you Terry hasn't been consistent enough for me.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Like on a game in the game stat basis.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Or yeah, which I which this is me being like
eye test and and feel and this is just a feeling.
This isn't me like looking at his box score. But
I'm even like I'm even speaking as like a McLaurin
fantasy owner, And there would be the early portion of
the season where he kind of like wasn't wasn't there for.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Me, you know, I mean that was just two games basically,
I know. And here's the other thing is the Commanders
don't have other receiving options, so like he's like very
easily double teams. Yeah, you know. And even in like
a game where he was doubled a lot was the
Giants a half a weeks he had two catches. We'll
guess what. He also had two touchdowns in the game.
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So yeah, he does have some dud games, but so
has pecans. This is true, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
And mclaurin's seven touchdowns is pretty is pretty damn good
too to Pickens is too.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Yeah he And again mclaurin's fourth and yards third and
touchdowns like yeah, I can live with that. And then
so second team is at Nico Monrae and Cee Liam
all right tight ends quick, Yeah, first team, second team.
I put George Kittle first team. He's third in yards,
but he u one hundred and two behind Bowers, but
he's played two less games, and his eight touchdowns is
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third most in the league for wide receivers and tight ends,
like the only the only the tight end in the
top five for yards who's touched, Like, let me rephrase this,
So top five tight ends and receiving yards. The second
most touchdowns to George Kittle is John new Smith with four.
He's the best blocker of the bunch. So I put
I put Kittle first team for the touchdowns and the
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fact Bowers is just he's all that offense has, so
they force feed him. But he's having a great year
and he's like, you know, sometimes tight ends can come
on a little slow. Brock Bowers has not done that.
So I put Kittle first team, brock Bowers second team.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Brock Bowers is seventeen. Game pace is one hundred and
nineteen receptions, twelve hundred yards, five touchdowns. The most receptions
by a rookie tight is eighty six and the most
receptions ever by a tight end is one hundred and sixteen.
This is we're going to witness the best rookie tight
end season ever, and we may just witness I don't
want to say one of the best, because, like I said,
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the Raiders are force feeding him the ball. But he's
on pace to break the receptions record by a tight end,
which is absolutely nuts. I have we don't have a
lot of time to debate this. I have Trey McBride
as first team. And here's why I.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Would love to put Trey McBride in here.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
But he has no touchhounds. He has one rushing touchdown,
and Kittle has him over and Kittle has him with
the touchhounds. I've nicknamed McBride the agenda. You want to
know why, because he helps you stay on schedule. Trey McBride,
I think, is leading the NFL in amongst tight end
sixty eight percent of his catches. Our first read, Kyler
Murray's first read. The ball's going to him. He helps
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this Cara, this Arizona offense just stand schedule, avoiding third downs.
So I have him first team, even though Kittle is
first in yards per roup run and McBride a second.
McBride betteran yards pert run than last year. And then
I do have Brock Bowers second. So no Kittle, who's
thirteen yards and a time honorable mention. I think I
just I'm liking the season that you know we've seen
it from Kittle. I'm liking the seasons that we're seeing
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out of McBride and McBride and Bowers more.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
All right, offensive line, let's do quickly. Yep, uh, just
what you just want to talk about? Offensive line? I
hate to do this to you guys, that we've got
to offensive line. First team left tackle Tristan Wurf's left guard,
Joe Thoney, center, Creed Humphrey, right guard, Kevin Zeitler, right
tackle Lane Johnson. Second team. I have Taron Armsta at
left tackle, Quintin Nelson at left guard, Tyler Linderbaum at center,
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Quinn Miners at right guard, and right tackle, Penney stewel.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Man. Offensive lines have fun this year. The guys that
are good, they're good every year. Tristian Wurf's at left tackle.
I have a clean sweep of Kansas City Chiefs in
the interior with Joe Thuney, Creed Humphrey, Trey Smith. I
have Penny Sewell at right tackle. I think him being
a really good run blocker, the difference between him and
Lane Johnson. But I have Lane Johnson on my second team,
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and I don't feel I don't feel confident enough to
really give a full second team because I don't watch
these offensive linement enough.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Well you don't. You don't have to because we gotta go.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
We gotta go.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
So we appreciate you guys. We will see you on
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