September 19, 2023 • 50 mins
On today's Dan Patrick Show, DP recaps the Monday Night Football doubleheader. Dan examines what the Cleveland Browns will do after losing Nick Chubb to a season-ending injury. Sports Illustrated Executive Editor Jon Wertheim discusses his interview with Deion Sanders on 60 minutes. Plus, what can Shohei Ohtani learn from Patrick Mahomes' latest contract restructure?
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the official trading cards of this program. The NFL off
season was filled with a lot of questions around the
running back position, and rightfully so. There was this crusade
campaign they need to get paid, they need to have
guaranteed contracts. Well after week two of the regular season,
there's a cause for a concern that the running back
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position is exactly what we thought it was going to be.
Saquon Barkley, he fought tooth and nail to get that
one year, ten million dollar contract. He's played well, injured
his ankle, probably going to be out for three weeks.
Josh Jacobs similar position. He wanted to get paid, got paid.
He had negative two yards rushing this last weekend, and
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then last night Nick Chubb carted off the field after
that scary knee injury. Meanwhile, you have a career long
backup in Raheem Mostert. He had over one hundred and
twenty yards and two touchdowns for the Dolphins on Sunday
against the Patriots, and Mostert is paid one point two
million dollars this season. So while the running back position
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may seem appealing, this season's results are certainly a cautionary
tale for the NFL's front office. And you hate to
see that with any position, but these running backs, the
better they are, the more likely they're not going to
get paid, because the logic is, well, you rush for
fifteen hundred yards, that's a lot of abuse on your body.
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We don't do that with any other position, but we
do that with the running back position. Since coming into
the league in twenty eighteen, Nick Chubb has rushed for
sixty five hundred yards, second most to Derrick Henry forty
eight touchdowns, second most to Derrick Henry. Chubb averages two
point seven yards per carry after con contact, the most
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by any player with at least.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Two hundred carries since twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
And no, no, it's okay, you can wasn't done with
the style of the day, But that's okay.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Style of to day, steat of to day.
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Speaker 3 (03:26):
This is the start of the day.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Stat of the Day, brought to you by Panadi America,
the official trading cards of this program. But Nick Chubb
is going to be done. We don't know if it's
season ending injury he's had, you know, surgically repaired knee
that he injured again last night in the loss by
the Cleveland Browns to the Steelers. Also the Saints over
the Panthers. That was a tough watch. I was trying
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to get excited about that, like, oh to NFC South
teams getting together, throw out the records, and I started watching.
I go, I don't know if Derek Carr is good.
I think he can be good, but I don't know
if he can be consistently good. And I'm watching. I'm
just waiting for something to happen.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Here.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Bryce Young, he's a rookie, he looked like it, and
he's going to be running for his life just is
I don't know how good he is. And it goes
back to what I've said about these quarterbacks. Where you
get drafted can be a great indicator of how successful
you're going to be. The higher up, the longer it's
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going to take. It's sometimes when you fall in the draft.
Now you look back on the history of the draft,
there are guys who fell for whatever reason they fell,
but they had a better chance to be successful because
they were going to a better team. Bryce Young is
on a team that's not good. Justin Fields is on
a team that's not very good. You're asked to more.
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They expect you to do more and do it quicker.
And Bryce Young is going to face that this year.
Here's his head coach, Frank Wright, talking about his rookie
quarterbacks performance.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
I can tell you this, it's certainly you know our
struggle on offense. It's not one person. Again, we'll look
at the film, but you know, I thought Bryce still
did some really positive things. Made made some plays with
his feet, made some good decisions, made good throws, showed
plenty of things that we want to see. So it
was encouraged by that. I know how hard it is
to play that position. I've been around it a long
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time and I know how dependent it is on everything.
So we all got to get better. Everybody's got better
coaches and players. So that's the way we work through it.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah, I mean it's going to be a long year
and Bryce Young, it's a learning year. You just have
to be patient, and you know your expectation level has
to be lowered. A little bit and his might have
to be lowered a little bit. But he does have
some qualities there that you hope that he's able and
he runs smart, uh you know, go out of bounds,
his slide and he's slight. He is very slight, but
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you know, got a great football acumen and maybe they
get some weapons in there. I mean, they gave up
their best weapon to get the opportunity to take Bryce
Young back to the Cleveland Browns. With the injury to
Nick Chubb. Here is head coach Kevin Stefanski of the brownst.
Speaker 7 (06:30):
Network that it has suffered multiple.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Tony ligaments in I can't without imaging, I can't say
so significant the injury.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I do, yeah, I Adam Schefter put out a report,
but it was it should have been flipped because when
he first put out the report about the injury, he
mentioned Nick Chubb had had this knee surgically repaired I
think a c l M c l PCL and you
would have thought from his tweet that that's what he
suffered last night, and you know it should have been
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just you know, serious injury or could be a season
ending whatever it might be. And then you could say
that he also suffered these injuries to that same knee,
but it was not it was poorly designed. That tweet
Deshaun Watson didn't look good. He did talk about the
value of Nick Chubb.
Speaker 8 (07:26):
I know he don't have a seat on his on
his jersey, but you know, he's a captain, he's a
he's a leader, he's the definition of this of this team,
of this city, of this organization. And you know, we
had a lot of holes of Phil you know why
he's why he's away. So I mean it's even tough
to even speak on it, and just hopefully he you know,
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we get the best outcome for him.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Now, there was a pick six that's not on Watson
unless you say he threw the ball a little too
hard the opening play, but a couple of penalties on him,
the one where he had his hand and in the
face mask of a Steeler defender. Almost looked like his
hand was caught in there and he couldn't get it out.
The officials saw it and flagged him. But it wasn't
a good performance. He got a Hall passed last year
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with Cleveland because we thought, okay, everything that's gone on
going to a new team, trying to get acclimated there,
so I think that the analyst sort of backed away
from him. Now let's see him have a full camp,
maybe move on from all the drama. And he has
not had a good start, so you know, you're no
longer on scholarship from the standpoint of, yeah, you know,
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let's give him a little bit of time. He was
a really good quarterback with the Texans. He was a
really good quarterback for a bad team and they had
to guarantee all of his money because he didn't want
to go to Cleveland, and they guaranteed all of his money.
And now you're stuck with him. And I don't know
if it was me, he didn't feel he just seemed
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very hesitant. You know, he didn't really commit to running.
And I don't remember being him being a great runner,
not not the way quarterbacks are now great runners, but
he's not elusive, and he just seemed like cautious. And
now without Nick Chubb, now they're going to rely on
you even more. And you saw that last night. Not
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a good performance. Can he Pickett? He's he's he has
has moments, but at that position, you can't just have movements.
You have to have more moments that are really good
than those moments where you go, oh my god, what happened?
Speaker 9 (09:37):
There?
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Not great numbers.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
The Steeler defense bailed him out, but he's got weapons.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
There, so and I do like the Steelers.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
I'm high on the Steelers, not as much on the
Browns and the Bengals. With the Joe Burrows situation, they're
probably going to have to rest him for a couple
of weeks to ensure that they have him for three
quarters of the season.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
You got a game with the Rams.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Coming up on Monday night, and I don't think Joe
Burrow is going to be playing because you have to
look at this.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
This is long term, this is bigger picture.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
You don't want to have an achilles injury here, obviously,
but this is where it starts with some athletes the
calf and then it becomes the achilles. So let's a
preemptive strike with this. Sit him down for a couple
of weeks and hopefully he responds to treatment and then
you get him back. But you just there's no need
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to have him out there on one leg, giving us
the old football try because you have too much invested
in him. So watching last night, certainly the chub injury
who's one of my favorite players. He just fifteen hundred yards,
doesn't say much, not a self promoter at all, just
plays good football. I mean, Sony Michelle was thought to
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be a better running back coming out of college. Nick
Chubb is just like, all right, yeah, he's pretty good. No,
he's really good. No, he's as good as any running
back in football. And that's a huge loss for the Browns. Now,
he got a second contract, and I don't know. Is
he two years into that second contract?
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Pauling?
Speaker 7 (11:16):
Yeah, he signed because remembery, he did get second round money,
not a ton of money coming out of college. He
signed a three year, thirty six million dollar deal a
couple of years ago, twelve million signing bonus, twenty million guaranteed.
So let's say this injury is really really serious, he
would say he couldn't continue for some reason.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
He's going to make.
Speaker 7 (11:33):
Thirty four million dollars in his career, including this year's salary,
which is completely guaranteed.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yeah, and that's a competitive division. You know.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
I do like the Ravens a lot. I think the
Ravens are a Super Bowl contender, and you know, let's
see what the Bengals are able to do.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Now zero to two.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
The Browns with that performance and then losing Nick Chubb,
the Steelers are good and you know, I just this
is one of those divisions where I think anybody can
win it. And we're probably going to see that sort
of maneuvering throughout the season. Somebody's going to be in first,
somebody's gonna be in second, somebody's gonna be in last,
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and you know it could be flip flopped by the
end of the year.
Speaker 10 (12:14):
Yeah, Nick Chubb is going to make in his whole
career what Jared Goff is making this season.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (12:21):
Slightly less than that is Ryan Tannehill this season, and
he'll making his whole career.
Speaker 11 (12:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (12:25):
Ryan Tannehill's getting like almost thirty million this year.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Yeah. It's the position.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
And I know everybody says all they need guaranteed contracts.
This is why they don't get guaranteed contracts, because of
the position that they play. If you say this guy's
going to have the ball this many times during a
game twenty five times, well twenty five times, there's eleven
guys who want to tackle him. You know, a quarterback
has protection. Running backs they run and sometimes they're running
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and it's just them. So when you think of it,
you know, receivers don't get nobody has this where you're
exposed like this and we're seeing this, you know Saquon Barklay,
that was just like a simple play and a tackle
and then he hurts his ankle. Josh Jacob's minus two yards.
Now you have Nick Chubb, and then what happens is
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you get somebody who comes in to replace them. And
you saw that last night Jerome Ford, who and he's
making the league minimum and he looked really good. You
can find it, Marvin always says, it's like finding the
guy who can shoot threes in play D like a
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three and D guy. You can find those guys. There's
a lot of those guys floating around. You can bring
one in. That's what the running back position is. It's like, yeah,
he's out, all right, we'll find somebody and then you
normally do yeah, pull.
Speaker 11 (13:55):
Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 7 (13:55):
There's no worst weekend for the cause of NFL running backs.
And what just happened in the past two days. Barkley, they
get m raise, he's out, Nick Chubb, he gets the
big deal for a running back.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
He got a big deal, and he's out.
Speaker 7 (14:06):
His running back is the backup guy runs for six
and a half yards of carry and it's not gonna
get better, probably get worse.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
And I hate, you know, nobody likes to see that,
even if you're a Steeler fan, you don't like staying
something like that. And you know, I don't know if
it was a dirty hit or not. I know that
they spent a lot of time talking about the injury.
They didn't show the injury again. And I want to
talk about that because I've been in these situations before,
when I've been on Sports Center where you have to say, hey,
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I want to give you a heads up. Jason Kendall
of the Pirates, I remember he broke his ankle trying
to beat out an infield hit with the Pirates, and
you know, so we have the highlights and then you
got to, you know, make an educated decision where you're
trying to protect the people who are watching this. I
remember Jason Kendall was upset at sports because we did
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show it. I remember having a conversation with him and
he was disappointed that, you know, we showed that there
are certain injuries a Louisville basketball player. It was that
Kevin Ware and you know, gruesome injury in the tournament,
broke his leg and Willis mcgahey, I was there for
that injury. He blew out his knee. You just you
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see these moments and then you want to know, can
I can I show it? How do we show it?
Speaker 11 (15:27):
Do?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I give you the disclaimer there, But it's there's a
difference I guess in sports journalism journalism and then news journalism.
I mean, I'm I signed more with the news journalism
of I'm going to show you this. It can be
disturbing here, but you know we're here to chronicle this,
We're here to talk about this. You try not to
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make it, you know, salacious here and hey, let's show
it again at this angle, I think you have to
be fair to the story that you're going to show
it once.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yes, Ton, and you could.
Speaker 12 (16:01):
Protect yourself, I guess a little bit by saying, you know,
for those of you week of heart or of a
queasy stomach, you know we're going to have to show
you something. You may want to look away, but that
certainly doesn't help at a sports bar where you're not
going to hear that, and you're going to show it,
and all of sudden you're gonna see something you may
not want to see.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Well, take a break, we'll talk about that.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
We'll settle on a poll question, the man who did
the profile on Deon Sanders On sixty minutes. The reporter
correspondent John Werthheim will join us coming up next hour.
Would they have run that story on Dion if Colorado
had lost to Colorado State?
Speaker 3 (16:32):
That's one of my big questions for John.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
So Steelers win, Saints win, Michigan State is looking for
a new college football coach. We'll talk about some of
the baseball playoff runs, the Reds and Diamondbacks making late
playoff runs as well, the Colorado State player who had
the hit, when Travis Hunter receives death threats, and Saquon
Barkley out for looks like three weeks. So a lot
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of topics here. You can be part of the conversation.
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just sent out a note ESPN's fifth most watched college
football game on record, Colorado Colorado State nine point three
million shatters the previous ESPN Late Prime window viewership high
any other numbers in there, pauling, So the fifth most
watched college football game on the mother ship. It peaked
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around eleven million during around eleven to eleven fifteen.
Speaker 9 (17:48):
Yes, Ton, which begs the question do you believe? Dan Patrick?
Speaker 3 (17:51):
My job is not to believe. My job is no, no.
Speaker 11 (17:54):
No, no no no no nook.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Do you believe they done made it? Where's come on,
let's go, let's go.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
John worthon Sports Illustrated executive editor, senior writer and sixty
Minutes correspondent, of course, just spend some time with Dion Sanders,
and he joins us, Now, what was the game plan
of Colorado had lost to Colorado State? John, as far
as sixty minutes airing your interview.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah, let me let me show you the Google doc.
I wrote it about one in the morning Eastern time
on on Sunday morning, when they were down eleven, and
we had to quickly add lib about how despite this
impressive start, maybe some of the paths' have been cool
after a surprising Yeah, there there were candidly there were.
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There was some nervous moments there in the fourth you know,
with with about ten minutes left, but all good.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
But you were going to run that no matter what,
even if they lost to Colorado State.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah. I mean, honestly, like the promos go out and
it's kind of too late to pull back, and I mean, honestly,
I think the larger thesis would have held. Right, this
is a guy shaking up college sports and he's really
leaning into all these changes, and he's a charismatic guy.
But yeah, it would it would have been suboptimal if
they had suffered a whole loss when they were twenty
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whatever point.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Favorite Any difference in Dion from the last time he
was profiled at Jackson State to now at Colorado, Yeah,
it's such.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
A good question. Yeah, in some ways, very you know,
exactly the same guy, a lot of sort of very
familiar tropes. And in other ways, it's really hard to
exaggerate just how different a job this is, going from
the mission of e elevating all these historically black not
just Jackone State, but all these HBCUs to suddenly this
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guy is playing power five football and it's all about
it's recruiting and nil all a conference re alignment. I mean,
it's really hard to exaggerate sort of the and in
some ways, this same guy, same jobs, same chars, you know,
same charisma, but it's a really different job than what
he had eight months ago.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Do you pitch the story when you first profiled him
at Jackson State? You have to pitch this to sixty
minutes and say what about this? And then how does
it work with this story emerging this past Sunday.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Yeah, my producer, Dragon Mahelovitch, we were sort of talking.
It's like, you know what, I know, we just did
this guy, but he's kind of relevant and it's a
kind of a different company, and it was like, why
don't we give this why don't we give us a
shot a new location.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
As far as he said the mission, you know, the
job was accomplished at Jackson State, you know, like why leave?
And I think he said, you know, I'd done what
I was supposed to do. Were you satisfied with that
answer that this is why he had done everything he was?
Speaker 3 (20:50):
What was the mission at Jackson State?
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yeah, I mean we talked about that a lot last year,
and he sort of said, look, I'm not one of
these these climber coaches that wants to make it up
the last and I'm not. I don't need the money.
He really leaned into the mission, and here was he'd
never been to Jackson, Mississippi. He went there. He was
very moved. Here was his historically black school. He talked
a lot about how players that came to come here,
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Travis Hunter, they would be part of setting a different path.
This wasn't just hey, this is the best school that
recruiting me for the fattest nil deal. He really leaned
into the mission. The city was going through a water crisis.
I mean, I can't describe, I can't exaggerate how big
a deal this was in Jackson, Mississippi. I mean, honestly,
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he kind of tiptoed around it. I think he got
a bit frustrated. I think not everyone has his his
drive and ambition, and I think he sort of at
some point sort of threw up his hands and said,
I've done all I can do here. But yeah, I
mean it's it's time. Look we've seen this all the time, right,
I mean, what coach doesn't want a better job. We
all know that you go from school A to school
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be He positioned himself of look, I don't need to
be playing this game. I don't care what they're paying me.
It's pocket change to me. Anyway. This is about something
much bigger than getting to the next big college football
Do that.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Did Prime Academy come up at any time in any
of your interviews with him?
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Yeah? It did in Jackson, and I sort of said,
you know what, You've got some answering to do, and
he essentially said, it was one of the best things
that's happened to me because I learned what I'm good at.
I'm learned what I'm not good at. I'm learned I
made mistakes and I won't repeat again. And I thought
he actually, you know, we pushed him, he asked and answered,
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and we moved on.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yeah, because I had an athletic director of a school
that had an opening. And he said that that that
he kept coming back to this Prime Academy, this high
school that Dion started, and it fell apart for a
variety of reasons. But that made him very cautious about
wanting to hire Deon Sanders. I don't know if that
happened with any other universities, including his alma mater. But
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I do think played a role at least with one
athletic director. Could you see that happening?
Speaker 1 (23:05):
So I do when i'd heard that too. I mean,
I think the other thing too is if you hire
this guy, you're giving up some power if you're the
ad he's doing. I mean, as far as I can,
you know, everything is legitimate, everything's within the guidelines. But
you can see it even in Colorado. I mean, this
is not your standard higher and for some of these
ads that like to have, you know, like to oversee
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the football team and they want to consolidate things, you know,
I think it takes a certain kind of ad who's
willing to take a risk on personality as big as that.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
What is his role at Colorado?
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Yeah, it's a good question. And I was a little
We asked him that and just sort of said, look,
I see your business card, I see your title. What
is a head football coach at a school like this?
And there were you know, I think he sees himself
in some cases as a father figure to some of
these kids. Some of this as ex as the nose
And I actually was really impressed. This is not just
some one who shows up and watches practice for fifteen
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minutes and then goes out to lunch with boosters. I mean,
he's really all in on the football part, but I
think he also sees himself as a CEO. And you know,
you go on you go on the website for Colorado
football and there's a little dollar sign icon next to
the players. And he's very transactional and very rational. And
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some of this is about making money for the school,
and some of this is about the athletic department. Some
of this is about he wants these kids to get
paid appropriately, and he wants these kids to be well
set up when they're done playing. I mean the idea
that he's just sort of a figurehead and he's this
charismatic celebrity and this Hall of Famer. I was impressed
at Jackson when I saw the level of his involvement,
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not just what sort of play calling and practice, but
he knew which kids came from single family homes and
single parent homes and which kids. I mean, he knows
who transferred from where. And this kid's a junior, but
he's got sophomore eligibility. He really knows this team. And
I think something that might get overlooked.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yeah, there was a moment where there was a little
push back from you, you know, where you challenged him
a little bit, you know, being honest. My problem, the
only problem I had the way Dion came in was
you can get rid of players, you can get rid
of coaches, don't do that on camera. And I thought
that that was unfair to those kids. That if you, hey,
you're you won one game, you're not in my future.
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Get packing. But you know, you can't have a video
of that, of doing that to these kids. And that's
that's been my only knock on him, you know, with
what he did. He came in, he cleaned house. Okay,
don't do it on camera.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
That's right. I'm kicking myself. I wish i'd ask that.
I think that's a really good point. Don't humiliate these
I mean, you know, it's not like they're signing consent
forms too when the cameras are. I mean, everything he
does there's you know, he's very good on social media,
which I think is something else. I mean, I think
a lot of programs are going to be playing catch up, honestly,
whether it's or whether it's the docu series, or whether
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it's you know, using that transfer portal, there are cameras everywhere,
and you never know is it for his own feed,
is this for Colorado? Is this for this Amazon docu series?
But everything he does is on camera. That's actually a
really good point. Nineteen year old kids, you're going to
chase them out? You can do that behind closed doors.
Speaker 11 (26:20):
All right?
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Are you last time we had John, you were going
to Wimbledon and you were going to work on Novak Djokovic,
And I don't know where that stands. But also I'm
going to guess you, being the parapatetic reporter correspondent, that
Lionel Messi would be maybe on your menu.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
I I got to tread carefully here. I like your instincts.
The concurrent multimedia project he's involved in. Yeah, it would
be great if if Lionel Messi called this afternoon and
said he's in, I'd be it.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Okay, what about Jokob.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yeah, it's just I mean, honestly, I remember saying, yeah,
I think that's just a question of timing. But I think, man,
he's done pretty well since that was about like six
weeks ago, and he's added another major to his hall.
Doing pretty well for thirty six.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Good to talk to you again, John, Thanks for joining
us anytime.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Thank them.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
That's John Worth on Sports Illustrated, Executive editor, senior writer,
and of.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Course corresponded for sixty minutes.
Speaker 11 (27:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I enjoyed thea You know, I've had people say, why
are you hating him? Like, first of all, stop I
just cover. I'm not a cheerleader. I love stories. I
root for stories, but in this case, that's the problem
I had. He came in and he was prime, and
he embarrassed those kids.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
That's all.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
That doesn't mean I hate the story or hate him
or hate their success. He makes my job easier. I
got things to talk about. It's a great storyline. Do
I think it's sustainable this year? I own't, but I'm
enjoying it now and I think next year. I mean
that's where I said he would make his impact. Next year,
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that's when I thought you would see a true Dion
Sanders lead team. They have jumped the gun on that
they're a big underdog against Oregon. Then they have usc
this could be brought back down to earth quickly. And
now there's part of me that I hope it is
sustainable for this year. It's a great story, but we
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never like to factor in reality. It's like, man, this
is wonderful and then you go, uh, well, you know
this could happen here. But if I happen, if I
happen to add logic perspective, then somehow I'm a hater,
which I'm not. Dion has been very generous to this show.
(28:49):
We've invited him on every week and maybe he'll join us,
maybe he won't. But my job is not to, you know,
be a thing of the program. My job is to
cover the program, and I'm trying to do that the
best I can without having any kind of bias one
way or another.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
That's all. Yeah, Mark, So.
Speaker 13 (29:13):
College basketball is get Allen Iverson because we don't cover
college basketball until March. Unless Alan Iverson shows up. We
need somebody on that level to give us that type
of story. We're rooting for the story, not the team
per se. But I would love for them to go
eight and two, eight and three.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Yeah, But Alan Iverson's not the personality that Dion is.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Like, Dion is.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
An unbelievable hype machine. Iverson's not. Iverson played a way
like Dion. He had style, he had flair, he didn't
have the same charisma that Dion has. Dion is saying,
turn on the lights on me, focus on me, and
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he's comfortable. I never thought Iverson was that comfortable in
the spotlight off the court. And of course he had,
you know, the issue, you know, the confrontation that put
him in jail, and then John Thompson, you know, saved
his life, got him out, got him at Georgetown.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
But you know, the way he played, you.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Know, we wanted to emulate, but Dion is more than
just the way he played. It's it's a personality. It's contagious.
As Dion says, these kids aren't coming to this university.
They're coming to this university to play for me. And
he's right, you're coming to play for Dion. Yeah, I'm
with you there.
Speaker 13 (30:34):
But I think as far as maybe the pomp and circumstance,
the rappers, the other athletes, they would come if he
you know, with the Hampton University or Howard University, it
would be one of those like, all right, we gotta
go see Allen Iverson's team play. Maybe not the charisma
and the outgoing personality that Dion is, but as far
as the reverence that people have for him, maybe and
(30:55):
like kids that play now, they didn't really see Dion
play or Irison play, but their parents do and they
still know who those guys are. So I mean just
from that aspect, not from the entertainer side.
Speaker 11 (31:07):
Off the field.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Well, that's when people analysts brought up that this opens
the door for black head coaches and I said.
Speaker 11 (31:13):
No, it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
There's only one Dion, that's it. And what he's doing
is hard to replicate. Now, be really hard for anybody
to replicate this who has that kind of personality, that
magnanimous personality, and he is you're watching him on the sidelines,
you're watching a coach on the sidelines. But he's also
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he's relatable. He has two sons who are the same
age as the you know kids he's recruiting. One's his
defensive back, one's his quarterback. And if you understand pop
culture and pop culture understands you, and you have that marriage,
and that's what you have here. This is unique, unique, fascinating,
and it happened overnight because they beat TCU. If they
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lose to TCU by twenty one points, there's no story.
Even if they beat Nebraska, even if they beat Colorado State,
you're like, okay, all right, well let's see what they
do against Oregon. And they're twenty three point underdogs this weekend.
And then they got USC and then it all goes away,
but it didn't. They did win, and then they beat Nebraska.
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They're not any good, Colorado State's not good, but they
played great and then here you are three and zero.
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Speaker 2 (33:35):
Your podcast from Final Hour. In this Tuesday, Dan and
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mother Ship. You got one good game, right, You got
the Eagles in Tampa Bay, both undefeated by the way.
Then you got the Rams against the Bengals. But then
Joe Burrow might not play in that game. Maybe we
don't have a good game coming up between those two.
On Monday Night, Steelers beat the Browns by four. They
also Brown's losing the game and Nick Chubb done for
(34:18):
the season. Saints beat the Panthers and the Saints are
now two and zero. Patrick Mahomes got a new deal,
and I thought it was really brilliant of his management
to disco Let me hold on here, let me say
Justin Herbert got paid, all right, Joe Burrow got paid,
mar Jackson got paid. Okay, Hey, ownership, my guy just
(34:40):
won the Super Bowl for you.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
We'd like to freshen things up a little bit. Sure,
we can do that.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
So Patrick Mahomes got paid. I don't know if you
have any pushback if you're the chiefs ownership where you
go well, because any contract that I negotiated or I
was involved in, they'd always say yeah, but and then
they would put out something that I needed to do
or I didn't do or I should do more. I
don't think you could do that. If you're the Hunt family,
(35:08):
you're going up Okay, how much?
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Yep, absolutely, because whatever it is, it's still going to
be a bargain. But Kansas City's going to have to
rely on him even more so. It feels like this year,
and at least so far, the offense hasn't been there yet.
But you know, at what point do you say this
is what this offense is going to look like? Because
(35:31):
we're talking about it now and we could replay this
in ten weeks from now and we might be sounding
silly or we might be right on target. Where it's
like Okay, not as good offensive line, Travis Kelcey coming back.
You know, Chris Jones had a big impact this past
(35:51):
weekend here. What about the other players running game, those
kind of things, and are they able to sort of
refresh that and come back can be the Kansas City
Chiefs we'd come to expect.
Speaker 10 (36:02):
Yes, it's funny, even in a year that Patrick Mahomes
looks more human than he ever has in his career,
he still gets a monster deal.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah, well, they're banking on him being able to continue
to do this no matter who they put in there.
You know, it's almost getting like the Tom Brady treatment
of Hey, Tom, you got to make good with what
we got there. Wait, who are these guys? Well, just
do your best. You know you got the greatest coach
in history right there. Yeah, I wish he was a
(36:32):
better GM. Get me some talent here. Mahomes has been lucky,
fortunate to have an offensive minded head coach and some
skilled position players, and of course he's wonderful as well.
Speaker 10 (36:43):
His contracts right now feel like compounding interest, like he
doesn't even just like it just keeps all right, This
contract is just going to make you more money on
the next one. Which is going to make you more
money on the next one. It just keeps rolling.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Sunday night, it'll be TJ.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Watt and the Steelers taking on Jimmy Garoppolo and the Raiders.
Sunday It's seven Eastern on NBC in PEACI DraftKings has
updated over under win totals. Hmmm, who do you think
has the highest over under win total? According to DraftKings Marvin,
I'll start.
Speaker 11 (37:18):
With you my Niners, bloop bloop bloop.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Then we have one, two, three teams who are tied
at eleven and a half wins over under, Seaton.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Eagles, Costion, Mark the Eagle. Where are the Eagles? They're
not even in here? What the flawed hit is? Where's Ray?
Tell me what the Eagles over under is?
Speaker 10 (37:49):
Come on, Ray, Ray's having a bad week here. I
heard him get yelled at on the gambling podcast.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Yes, yeah, yeah, he screwed up.
Speaker 10 (37:57):
Yeah, because he messed up. And then he's like, no,
it's your guys is fault. And he's like, oh no.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
No, it's fine.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Yeah, Chiefs, Dolphins, Cowboys eleven and a half wins.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
The Eagles have to be there or yeah, I don't
have the over under for the Eagles.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
They get they're deleted, they're not even other.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
The Bills are ten and a half. I didn't see
anything else interesting here.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Did you hear from picture Day? Ray?
Speaker 11 (38:27):
I sure did? Dan eleven and a half for the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
Okay, is there a reason why it wasn't on the sheet?
Speaker 13 (38:33):
I'm gonna be looking for an answer right now. Okay,
I'm gonna yell at him via DM.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Okay, early coach of the year odds, Marvin, I'll start
with you. He is not in the top five. He
doesn't coach the Cowboys.
Speaker 11 (38:49):
I'm changing my answer, Mike mcdan.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Then it's the coach of my Atlanta Falcons, Arthur Smiths.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Dan cam but a great to see. He's got to
be up there, don't they?
Speaker 2 (39:02):
John Harbaugh and Dan Campbell's same odds. And then Matt
Leers not getting anyone? Okay, Bob Bob Sola, Bob Hey, Bobby, Bobby.
Which NFL team will be the last undefeated team?
Speaker 3 (39:19):
Todd?
Speaker 9 (39:22):
The last undefeated team will be.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
The Niners their second Paul repeated your question, Yes, because
he didn't.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Yeah, I know I heard. I'm calling to look at that,
and I'm glad that you were listening. Eleven Yeah, maybe, yeah.
I guess what was the question I asked?
Speaker 9 (39:47):
Child?
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Oh, are you your favorite favor? Are you your mom's
favorite child?
Speaker 9 (39:54):
I should have definitely said absolutely, but.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Then you didn't hear the question, but but you answered it.
Speaker 9 (39:59):
I answered it right, but I answered it kind of
like hedging my best.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
The Eagles are the odds on favor to be the
last undefeated team, then the Niners, Cowboys, Ravens.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
And then the Dolphins.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
So I don't know what any of this means, but
it did take up about four minutes.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Uh what do you have, Marvin?
Speaker 9 (40:19):
Hey?
Speaker 11 (40:19):
Dan, Ray's got an answer to what why they couldn't.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Put the Eagles on here?
Speaker 11 (40:25):
Yeah? Okay, he could only do the interesting teams. He
was told whoa.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Who told him that? Because it wasn't me, wn't me
to you. I can't fire Ray right now.
Speaker 11 (40:38):
Wait until like Friday after the gambling podcast.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Thursday, after the gambling podcast. He doesn't even get meat Friday, gotcha?
Is he even a full time employee?
Speaker 4 (40:48):
Not anymore?
Speaker 3 (40:48):
Yeah? He had a good run.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
Yeah, great run.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Yeah, picture day Ray looks like Jared Goff. Uh yeah, Paul.
Speaker 7 (40:56):
I have a quesh off last night's games. Now, they
weren't that exciting or that good. Are any of the
four teams that played last night even close to threatening
threatening to make the Super Bowl? Could you see any
of the four teams in any scenario making the Super
Bowl this year.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
From last night?
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Well, I think the Saints because they could win their
division at home and have a home playoff game. I
don't see Cleveland or Pittsburgh winning that division. Carolina certainly isn't,
I guess by the process of elimination.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
I'd say the Saints.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
But you don't sound like you believe it in any way.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
No, no, no, I don't no.
Speaker 4 (41:40):
Can you see Cleveland riding the ship or a Nick
Chubb thing? Too painful?
Speaker 3 (41:44):
Literally?
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Yeah, it's just a pretty competitive It's a balanced division.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
I don't think you have a bad team. You may
not have a.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Great team, but you have I think Baltimore has the
potential to be great. I'm just not sure about the
Steelers offense. I like the defense the Browns, I'm just
not sure you know what we're doing, expecting to see
with Deshaun Watson there, then you lose Nick Chubb. But
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the Bengals without Joe Burrow for a little while. Yeah,
I don't see anybody threatening about it out of any
of those teams.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
Let's see poll question for the.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Final hour Seaton if you want to freshen up what
we had last hour and let us know what the
end results.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
I thought they were interesting results. Yeah.
Speaker 10 (42:37):
Yeah, we were talking about should TV broadcast show, you know,
replays of gruesome injuries? And right now it's still split.
Well now it's fifty two forty eight.
Speaker 7 (42:49):
Yes they should, Okay, Yeah, Paul so off the Nick
Chubb hit last night.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
It was Mika Fitzpatrick on the hit. Correct.
Speaker 7 (42:56):
A lot of people were discussing it the hit, and
I thing like that, like Ryan Clark from ESPN was
discussing it saying it was a clean hit, and then
Nate Burlson from CBS saying it was not a clean hit.
And that's an example of where a replay would really
illuminate what happened on the play.
Speaker 4 (43:11):
Was it a dirty hit? Was it low? Was he
Nick Chubb.
Speaker 7 (43:14):
Being held up and another guy comes in low when
he's unprotected. But since there's no replay, the story is
just you have to go find it for yourself.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
But also you're giving two different answers from one a
defensive player and one an offensive player. Nate Burlson, a
former wide receiver, said it was a dirty hit. Ryan Clark,
a defensive back, saying it wasn't.
Speaker 10 (43:34):
Yes, I mean I've never played football, but we just
had somebody on recently. I forget who it was, but
you're taught to aim for the thighs, right, That to me,
the difference between when everybody is moving so fast and
you know, oh, yeah, that's right, that's what it was.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Yeah, you aim for the thighs.
Speaker 10 (43:53):
Everybody is moving so fast and you throw yourself at
somebody's thighs, it's very likely that you could hit a knee. Yeah,
I mean that's that doesn't seem all that crazy to
me that I didn't think it was a dirty hit. Well,
I just think the result of it was really awful.
But it didn't seem like it was dirty to me.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Sometimes we look at a hit and we think that
there's something nefary us to it, depending on what the
result is. The outcome of it is where you know,
somebody gets really hurt and you go, oh, was that
a dirty hit? I didn't think in the moment it was.
I thought it was just a football play. But you know,
if we had kind of a closer look, then maybe
(44:31):
we would have seen something different there. But that, you know,
my first glance, I didn't think so Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 7 (44:37):
Nay Birlson, a CBS said, the problem is MIKEA. Fitzpatrick
is a veteran dB who torpedoed Chubb's leg while I
was already being taken down by another defender. And he
went through all the you know, back and forth of
what you'd say on it. Another example is like we
showed Aaron Rodgers' injury fifteen times. Now, it wasn't gruesome.
Even though his was Kelly was rolling up his leg,
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you couldn't see it. I was not that off putting.
It didn't look like a harsh play, but that you
saw fifteen times because it was a star player being hurt.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Now, Nate Burlson goes on to say in his tweet,
I will leave all defensive players with this. Would you
hit your own teammate like that in a live scrimmage?
That's a rhetorical question because the answer should be no.
So keep that in mind the next time you think
about aiming at someone's knees during a game. Well, there's
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a lot of hits that you wouldn't do on your teammate,
but you would do the opponent. I mean, is he
saying that Mika Fitzpatrick wanted to injure Nick Chubb?
Speaker 7 (45:39):
He even says that goes. I don't know Minco well
enough to call him dirty, so I won't. He said
it's reckless for a veteran to hit someone.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Well, okay, that's semantics, it's reckless. Is he a dirty player?
Is he known as a dirty player? If a defender
goes high and a player gets concussed, he's dirty. If
a defender goes low and a player gets a lower injury,
he's dirty. Where can he hit a runner than y'all?
(46:05):
I mean, she's The growing softness of this game and
the sensitivity of those who watch it saddens me. Is
this the Ryan Clark? Yeah, Ryan Clark saying this?
Speaker 4 (46:15):
Yeah, that's Ryan Clark's initial post about it this morning?
Is Ryan?
Speaker 2 (46:19):
The growing softness of this game and the sensitivity of
those who watch it saddens me?
Speaker 3 (46:24):
All right, Well, back and forth there.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Yeah, I don't think you can say would you do
this in a live scrimmage against one of your teammates.
Speaker 3 (46:34):
Well, no, of course.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
You wouldn't, but that doesn't mean that he went out
of his way to try to injure Nick Chubb. And
I don't know if has Micka Fitzpatrick ever been singled
out as a dirty player.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Is he a headhunter?
Speaker 2 (46:50):
I don't know, But you are getting two perspectives, one
as a former defensive back. One is a wide receipt.
Speaker 10 (47:00):
Yeah, I don't really understand what's so soft though about
not wanting concussions and blown out knees.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
Sounds reasonable to me, not not soft, but.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
Well, the concussion part of it, you know that that
has nothing to do with being soft. I think trying
to blame this on MAKEA Fitzpatrick with you know, his
hit because he wouldn't hit one of his teammates in
a live scrimmage. I think there's a disconnect between those two.
But yeah, getting concussed doesn't mean you're soft.
Speaker 7 (47:35):
Yes, MAKEA Fitzpatrick a handful of times in his career
was called for illegal hits to the head a defensive player.
He was not a one On Higgins from the Bengals.
He was not fine for that, but it was it
was discussed, but he doesn't have like a long history
being fined.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
I like the debate there, Todd, Get both of them
on and see if they want to debate.
Speaker 11 (47:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (47:56):
Yeah, it seems like there's such a fine line between
dirty or not.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
Well, there are dirty players, definitely, But then it feels
like no matter what a defensive player does, he can't win,
and even when he does win, they change rules so
he can't win. They want all this offense, they want
to protect everybody. You can't protect everybody all the time.
Speaker 3 (48:22):
And this might have.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
Been just one of those situations where hey, you know,
kind of the wrong place, wrong time, and the wrong result.
Maybe I aimed here and I went lower than that.
No defensive players talk about hitting a quarterback. I got
to hit you in the size of a mailbox, that's
about it. And now I gotta be careful when I
bring you down, and then I can't slam you, and
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I can't land on top of you, and I can't
you know, basically, I have to cradle you and then
lay you on the ground. That's the soft part of
the NFL right there. Because now you're saying, yes, we
must protect these quarterbacks. We don't care about the defensive player.
Even with offensive linemen, we're letting them line up a
couple of yards off the line of scrimmage. We're giving
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you a head start because they can't. They're not athletically
able to keep up with these edge rushers. Now, they
haven't come up with a rule yet for Mica or
for Micah Parsons.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
But they will. They will.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
Anybody who wears number eleven, they have to count one Mississippi, two, Mississippi, three,
Mississippi before they go and try to sack the cornerback.
Speaker 3 (49:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (49:31):
I remember a bunch of years ago we had Hines
Ward on the former Steelers wide receiver and think you
asked him, would you rather take a hard shot to
low or high? He said high, He goes if I
get a concussion about a week. If you hit me
my knees, I'm out a year. And he goes, he goes,
and everyone would say the same thing that was heines Ward.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
We'll take a break. We'll get to more phone calls
coming up. Are we going to go with a new
poll question, final hour receipting?
Speaker 10 (49:54):
Yeah, we're actually gonna put up there who currently has
more leverage u Aotani or Patrick mahomes,
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season was filled with a lot of questions around the
running back position, and rightfully so. There was this crusade
campaign they need to get paid, they need to have
guaranteed contracts. Well after week two of the regular season,
there's a cause for a concern that the running back
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position is exactly what we thought it was going to be.
Saquon Barkley, he fought tooth and nail to get that
one year, ten million dollar contract. He's played well, injured
his ankle, probably going to be out for three weeks.
Josh Jacobs similar position. He wanted to get paid, got paid.
He had negative two yards rushing this last weekend, and
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then last night Nick Chubb carted off the field after
that scary knee injury. Meanwhile, you have a career long
backup in Raheem Mostert. He had over one hundred and
twenty yards and two touchdowns for the Dolphins on Sunday
against the Patriots, and Mostert is paid one point two
million dollars this season. So while the running back position
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may seem appealing, this season's results are certainly a cautionary
tale for the NFL's front office. And you hate to
see that with any position, but these running backs, the
better they are, the more likely they're not going to
get paid, because the logic is, well, you rush for
fifteen hundred yards, that's a lot of abuse on your body.
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We don't do that with any other position, but we
do that with the running back position. Since coming into
the league in twenty eighteen, Nick Chubb has rushed for
sixty five hundred yards, second most to Derrick Henry forty
eight touchdowns, second most to Derrick Henry. Chubb averages two
point seven yards per carry after con contact, the most
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by any player with at least.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Two hundred carries since twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
And no, no, it's okay, you can wasn't done with
the style of the day, But that's okay.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Style of to day, steat of to day.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
Scout of to day.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
This is the start of the day.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Stat of the Day, brought to you by Panadi America,
the official trading cards of this program. But Nick Chubb
is going to be done. We don't know if it's
season ending injury he's had, you know, surgically repaired knee
that he injured again last night in the loss by
the Cleveland Browns to the Steelers. Also the Saints over
the Panthers. That was a tough watch. I was trying
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to get excited about that, like, oh to NFC South
teams getting together, throw out the records, and I started watching.
I go, I don't know if Derek Carr is good.
I think he can be good, but I don't know
if he can be consistently good. And I'm watching. I'm
just waiting for something to happen.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Here.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Bryce Young, he's a rookie, he looked like it, and
he's going to be running for his life just is
I don't know how good he is. And it goes
back to what I've said about these quarterbacks. Where you
get drafted can be a great indicator of how successful
you're going to be. The higher up, the longer it's
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going to take. It's sometimes when you fall in the draft.
Now you look back on the history of the draft,
there are guys who fell for whatever reason they fell,
but they had a better chance to be successful because
they were going to a better team. Bryce Young is
on a team that's not good. Justin Fields is on
a team that's not very good. You're asked to more.
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They expect you to do more and do it quicker.
And Bryce Young is going to face that this year.
Here's his head coach, Frank Wright, talking about his rookie
quarterbacks performance.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
I can tell you this, it's certainly you know our
struggle on offense. It's not one person. Again, we'll look
at the film, but you know, I thought Bryce still
did some really positive things. Made made some plays with
his feet, made some good decisions, made good throws, showed
plenty of things that we want to see. So it
was encouraged by that. I know how hard it is
to play that position. I've been around it a long
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time and I know how dependent it is on everything.
So we all got to get better. Everybody's got better
coaches and players. So that's the way we work through it.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah, I mean it's going to be a long year
and Bryce Young, it's a learning year. You just have
to be patient, and you know your expectation level has
to be lowered. A little bit and his might have
to be lowered a little bit. But he does have
some qualities there that you hope that he's able and
he runs smart, uh you know, go out of bounds,
his slide and he's slight. He is very slight, but
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you know, got a great football acumen and maybe they
get some weapons in there. I mean, they gave up
their best weapon to get the opportunity to take Bryce
Young back to the Cleveland Browns. With the injury to
Nick Chubb. Here is head coach Kevin Stefanski of the brownst.
Speaker 7 (06:30):
Network that it has suffered multiple.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Tony ligaments in I can't without imaging, I can't say
so significant the injury.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I do, yeah, I Adam Schefter put out a report,
but it was it should have been flipped because when
he first put out the report about the injury, he
mentioned Nick Chubb had had this knee surgically repaired I
think a c l M c l PCL and you
would have thought from his tweet that that's what he
suffered last night, and you know it should have been
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just you know, serious injury or could be a season
ending whatever it might be. And then you could say
that he also suffered these injuries to that same knee,
but it was not it was poorly designed. That tweet
Deshaun Watson didn't look good. He did talk about the
value of Nick Chubb.
Speaker 8 (07:26):
I know he don't have a seat on his on
his jersey, but you know, he's a captain, he's a
he's a leader, he's the definition of this of this team,
of this city, of this organization. And you know, we
had a lot of holes of Phil you know why
he's why he's away. So I mean it's even tough
to even speak on it, and just hopefully he you know,
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we get the best outcome for him.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Now, there was a pick six that's not on Watson
unless you say he threw the ball a little too
hard the opening play, but a couple of penalties on him,
the one where he had his hand and in the
face mask of a Steeler defender. Almost looked like his
hand was caught in there and he couldn't get it out.
The officials saw it and flagged him. But it wasn't
a good performance. He got a Hall passed last year
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with Cleveland because we thought, okay, everything that's gone on
going to a new team, trying to get acclimated there,
so I think that the analyst sort of backed away
from him. Now let's see him have a full camp,
maybe move on from all the drama. And he has
not had a good start, so you know, you're no
longer on scholarship from the standpoint of, yeah, you know,
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let's give him a little bit of time. He was
a really good quarterback with the Texans. He was a
really good quarterback for a bad team and they had
to guarantee all of his money because he didn't want
to go to Cleveland, and they guaranteed all of his money.
And now you're stuck with him. And I don't know
if it was me, he didn't feel he just seemed
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very hesitant. You know, he didn't really commit to running.
And I don't remember being him being a great runner,
not not the way quarterbacks are now great runners, but
he's not elusive, and he just seemed like cautious. And
now without Nick Chubb, now they're going to rely on
you even more. And you saw that last night. Not
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a good performance. Can he Pickett? He's he's he has
has moments, but at that position, you can't just have movements.
You have to have more moments that are really good
than those moments where you go, oh my god, what happened?
Speaker 9 (09:37):
There?
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Not great numbers.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
The Steeler defense bailed him out, but he's got weapons.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
There, so and I do like the Steelers.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
I'm high on the Steelers, not as much on the
Browns and the Bengals. With the Joe Burrows situation, they're
probably going to have to rest him for a couple
of weeks to ensure that they have him for three
quarters of the season.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
You got a game with the Rams.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Coming up on Monday night, and I don't think Joe
Burrow is going to be playing because you have to
look at this.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
This is long term, this is bigger picture.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
You don't want to have an achilles injury here, obviously,
but this is where it starts with some athletes the
calf and then it becomes the achilles. So let's a
preemptive strike with this. Sit him down for a couple
of weeks and hopefully he responds to treatment and then
you get him back. But you just there's no need
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to have him out there on one leg, giving us
the old football try because you have too much invested
in him. So watching last night, certainly the chub injury
who's one of my favorite players. He just fifteen hundred yards,
doesn't say much, not a self promoter at all, just
plays good football. I mean, Sony Michelle was thought to
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be a better running back coming out of college. Nick
Chubb is just like, all right, yeah, he's pretty good. No,
he's really good. No, he's as good as any running
back in football. And that's a huge loss for the Browns. Now,
he got a second contract, and I don't know. Is
he two years into that second contract?
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Pauling?
Speaker 7 (11:16):
Yeah, he signed because remembery, he did get second round money,
not a ton of money coming out of college. He
signed a three year, thirty six million dollar deal a
couple of years ago, twelve million signing bonus, twenty million guaranteed.
So let's say this injury is really really serious, he
would say he couldn't continue for some reason.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
He's going to make.
Speaker 7 (11:33):
Thirty four million dollars in his career, including this year's salary,
which is completely guaranteed.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yeah, and that's a competitive division. You know.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
I do like the Ravens a lot. I think the
Ravens are a Super Bowl contender, and you know, let's
see what the Bengals are able to do.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Now zero to two.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
The Browns with that performance and then losing Nick Chubb,
the Steelers are good and you know, I just this
is one of those divisions where I think anybody can
win it. And we're probably going to see that sort
of maneuvering throughout the season. Somebody's going to be in first,
somebody's gonna be in second, somebody's gonna be in last,
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and you know it could be flip flopped by the
end of the year.
Speaker 10 (12:14):
Yeah, Nick Chubb is going to make in his whole
career what Jared Goff is making this season.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (12:21):
Slightly less than that is Ryan Tannehill this season, and
he'll making his whole career.
Speaker 11 (12:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (12:25):
Ryan Tannehill's getting like almost thirty million this year.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Yeah. It's the position.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
And I know everybody says all they need guaranteed contracts.
This is why they don't get guaranteed contracts, because of
the position that they play. If you say this guy's
going to have the ball this many times during a
game twenty five times, well twenty five times, there's eleven
guys who want to tackle him. You know, a quarterback
has protection. Running backs they run and sometimes they're running
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and it's just them. So when you think of it,
you know, receivers don't get nobody has this where you're
exposed like this and we're seeing this, you know Saquon Barklay,
that was just like a simple play and a tackle
and then he hurts his ankle. Josh Jacob's minus two yards.
Now you have Nick Chubb, and then what happens is
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you get somebody who comes in to replace them. And
you saw that last night Jerome Ford, who and he's
making the league minimum and he looked really good. You
can find it, Marvin always says, it's like finding the
guy who can shoot threes in play D like a
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three and D guy. You can find those guys. There's
a lot of those guys floating around. You can bring
one in. That's what the running back position is. It's like, yeah,
he's out, all right, we'll find somebody and then you
normally do yeah, pull.
Speaker 11 (13:55):
Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 7 (13:55):
There's no worst weekend for the cause of NFL running backs.
And what just happened in the past two days. Barkley, they
get m raise, he's out, Nick Chubb, he gets the
big deal for a running back.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
He got a big deal, and he's out.
Speaker 7 (14:06):
His running back is the backup guy runs for six
and a half yards of carry and it's not gonna
get better, probably get worse.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
And I hate, you know, nobody likes to see that,
even if you're a Steeler fan, you don't like staying
something like that. And you know, I don't know if
it was a dirty hit or not. I know that
they spent a lot of time talking about the injury.
They didn't show the injury again. And I want to
talk about that because I've been in these situations before,
when I've been on Sports Center where you have to say, hey,
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I want to give you a heads up. Jason Kendall
of the Pirates, I remember he broke his ankle trying
to beat out an infield hit with the Pirates, and
you know, so we have the highlights and then you
got to, you know, make an educated decision where you're
trying to protect the people who are watching this. I
remember Jason Kendall was upset at sports because we did
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show it. I remember having a conversation with him and
he was disappointed that, you know, we showed that there
are certain injuries a Louisville basketball player. It was that
Kevin Ware and you know, gruesome injury in the tournament,
broke his leg and Willis mcgahey, I was there for
that injury. He blew out his knee. You just you
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see these moments and then you want to know, can
I can I show it? How do we show it?
Speaker 11 (15:27):
Do?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I give you the disclaimer there, But it's there's a
difference I guess in sports journalism journalism and then news journalism.
I mean, I'm I signed more with the news journalism
of I'm going to show you this. It can be
disturbing here, but you know we're here to chronicle this,
We're here to talk about this. You try not to
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make it, you know, salacious here and hey, let's show
it again at this angle, I think you have to
be fair to the story that you're going to show
it once.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yes, Ton, and you could.
Speaker 12 (16:01):
Protect yourself, I guess a little bit by saying, you know,
for those of you week of heart or of a
queasy stomach, you know we're going to have to show
you something. You may want to look away, but that
certainly doesn't help at a sports bar where you're not
going to hear that, and you're going to show it,
and all of sudden you're gonna see something you may
not want to see.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Well, take a break, we'll talk about that.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
We'll settle on a poll question, the man who did
the profile on Deon Sanders On sixty minutes. The reporter
correspondent John Werthheim will join us coming up next hour.
Would they have run that story on Dion if Colorado
had lost to Colorado State?
Speaker 3 (16:32):
That's one of my big questions for John.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
So Steelers win, Saints win, Michigan State is looking for
a new college football coach. We'll talk about some of
the baseball playoff runs, the Reds and Diamondbacks making late
playoff runs as well, the Colorado State player who had
the hit, when Travis Hunter receives death threats, and Saquon
Barkley out for looks like three weeks. So a lot
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of topics here. You can be part of the conversation.
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just sent out a note ESPN's fifth most watched college
football game on record, Colorado Colorado State nine point three
million shatters the previous ESPN Late Prime window viewership high
any other numbers in there, pauling, So the fifth most
watched college football game on the mother ship. It peaked
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around eleven million during around eleven to eleven fifteen.
Speaker 9 (17:48):
Yes, Ton, which begs the question do you believe? Dan Patrick?
Speaker 3 (17:51):
My job is not to believe. My job is no, no.
Speaker 11 (17:54):
No, no no no no nook.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Do you believe they done made it? Where's come on,
let's go, let's go.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
John worthon Sports Illustrated executive editor, senior writer and sixty
Minutes correspondent, of course, just spend some time with Dion Sanders,
and he joins us, Now, what was the game plan
of Colorado had lost to Colorado State? John, as far
as sixty minutes airing your interview.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah, let me let me show you the Google doc.
I wrote it about one in the morning Eastern time
on on Sunday morning, when they were down eleven, and
we had to quickly add lib about how despite this
impressive start, maybe some of the paths' have been cool
after a surprising Yeah, there there were candidly there were.
(18:41):
There was some nervous moments there in the fourth you know,
with with about ten minutes left, but all good.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
But you were going to run that no matter what,
even if they lost to Colorado State.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah. I mean, honestly, like the promos go out and
it's kind of too late to pull back, and I mean, honestly,
I think the larger thesis would have held. Right, this
is a guy shaking up college sports and he's really
leaning into all these changes, and he's a charismatic guy.
But yeah, it would it would have been suboptimal if
they had suffered a whole loss when they were twenty
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whatever point.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Favorite Any difference in Dion from the last time he
was profiled at Jackson State to now at Colorado, Yeah,
it's such.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
A good question. Yeah, in some ways, very you know,
exactly the same guy, a lot of sort of very
familiar tropes. And in other ways, it's really hard to
exaggerate just how different a job this is, going from
the mission of e elevating all these historically black not
just Jackone State, but all these HBCUs to suddenly this
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guy is playing power five football and it's all about
it's recruiting and nil all a conference re alignment. I mean,
it's really hard to exaggerate sort of the and in
some ways, this same guy, same jobs, same chars, you know,
same charisma, but it's a really different job than what
he had eight months ago.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Do you pitch the story when you first profiled him
at Jackson State? You have to pitch this to sixty
minutes and say what about this? And then how does
it work with this story emerging this past Sunday.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Yeah, my producer, Dragon Mahelovitch, we were sort of talking.
It's like, you know what, I know, we just did
this guy, but he's kind of relevant and it's a
kind of a different company, and it was like, why
don't we give this why don't we give us a
shot a new location.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
As far as he said the mission, you know, the
job was accomplished at Jackson State, you know, like why leave?
And I think he said, you know, I'd done what
I was supposed to do. Were you satisfied with that
answer that this is why he had done everything he was?
Speaker 3 (20:50):
What was the mission at Jackson State?
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yeah, I mean we talked about that a lot last year,
and he sort of said, look, I'm not one of
these these climber coaches that wants to make it up
the last and I'm not. I don't need the money.
He really leaned into the mission, and here was he'd
never been to Jackson, Mississippi. He went there. He was
very moved. Here was his historically black school. He talked
a lot about how players that came to come here,
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Travis Hunter, they would be part of setting a different path.
This wasn't just hey, this is the best school that
recruiting me for the fattest nil deal. He really leaned
into the mission. The city was going through a water crisis.
I mean, I can't describe, I can't exaggerate how big
a deal this was in Jackson, Mississippi. I mean, honestly,
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he kind of tiptoed around it. I think he got
a bit frustrated. I think not everyone has his his
drive and ambition, and I think he sort of at
some point sort of threw up his hands and said,
I've done all I can do here. But yeah, I
mean it's it's time. Look we've seen this all the time, right,
I mean, what coach doesn't want a better job. We
all know that you go from school A to school
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be He positioned himself of look, I don't need to
be playing this game. I don't care what they're paying me.
It's pocket change to me. Anyway. This is about something
much bigger than getting to the next big college football
Do that.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Did Prime Academy come up at any time in any
of your interviews with him?
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Yeah? It did in Jackson, and I sort of said,
you know what, You've got some answering to do, and
he essentially said, it was one of the best things
that's happened to me because I learned what I'm good at.
I'm learned what I'm not good at. I'm learned I
made mistakes and I won't repeat again. And I thought
he actually, you know, we pushed him, he asked and answered,
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and we moved on.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yeah, because I had an athletic director of a school
that had an opening. And he said that that that
he kept coming back to this Prime Academy, this high
school that Dion started, and it fell apart for a
variety of reasons. But that made him very cautious about
wanting to hire Deon Sanders. I don't know if that
happened with any other universities, including his alma mater. But
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I do think played a role at least with one
athletic director. Could you see that happening?
Speaker 1 (23:05):
So I do when i'd heard that too. I mean,
I think the other thing too is if you hire
this guy, you're giving up some power if you're the
ad he's doing. I mean, as far as I can,
you know, everything is legitimate, everything's within the guidelines. But
you can see it even in Colorado. I mean, this
is not your standard higher and for some of these
ads that like to have, you know, like to oversee
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the football team and they want to consolidate things, you know,
I think it takes a certain kind of ad who's
willing to take a risk on personality as big as that.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
What is his role at Colorado?
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Yeah, it's a good question. And I was a little
We asked him that and just sort of said, look,
I see your business card, I see your title. What
is a head football coach at a school like this?
And there were you know, I think he sees himself
in some cases as a father figure to some of
these kids. Some of this as ex as the nose
And I actually was really impressed. This is not just
some one who shows up and watches practice for fifteen
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minutes and then goes out to lunch with boosters. I mean,
he's really all in on the football part, but I
think he also sees himself as a CEO. And you know,
you go on you go on the website for Colorado
football and there's a little dollar sign icon next to
the players. And he's very transactional and very rational. And
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some of this is about making money for the school,
and some of this is about the athletic department. Some
of this is about he wants these kids to get
paid appropriately, and he wants these kids to be well
set up when they're done playing. I mean the idea
that he's just sort of a figurehead and he's this
charismatic celebrity and this Hall of Famer. I was impressed
at Jackson when I saw the level of his involvement,
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not just what sort of play calling and practice, but
he knew which kids came from single family homes and
single parent homes and which kids. I mean, he knows
who transferred from where. And this kid's a junior, but
he's got sophomore eligibility. He really knows this team. And
I think something that might get overlooked.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yeah, there was a moment where there was a little
push back from you, you know, where you challenged him
a little bit, you know, being honest. My problem, the
only problem I had the way Dion came in was
you can get rid of players, you can get rid
of coaches, don't do that on camera. And I thought
that that was unfair to those kids. That if you, hey,
you're you won one game, you're not in my future.
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Get packing. But you know, you can't have a video
of that, of doing that to these kids. And that's
that's been my only knock on him, you know, with
what he did. He came in, he cleaned house. Okay,
don't do it on camera.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
That's right. I'm kicking myself. I wish i'd ask that.
I think that's a really good point. Don't humiliate these
I mean, you know, it's not like they're signing consent
forms too when the cameras are. I mean, everything he
does there's you know, he's very good on social media,
which I think is something else. I mean, I think
a lot of programs are going to be playing catch up, honestly,
whether it's or whether it's the docu series, or whether
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it's you know, using that transfer portal, there are cameras everywhere,
and you never know is it for his own feed,
is this for Colorado? Is this for this Amazon docu series?
But everything he does is on camera. That's actually a
really good point. Nineteen year old kids, you're going to
chase them out? You can do that behind closed doors.
Speaker 11 (26:20):
All right?
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Are you last time we had John, you were going
to Wimbledon and you were going to work on Novak Djokovic,
And I don't know where that stands. But also I'm
going to guess you, being the parapatetic reporter correspondent, that
Lionel Messi would be maybe on your menu.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
I I got to tread carefully here. I like your instincts.
The concurrent multimedia project he's involved in. Yeah, it would
be great if if Lionel Messi called this afternoon and
said he's in, I'd be it.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Okay, what about Jokob.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yeah, it's just I mean, honestly, I remember saying, yeah,
I think that's just a question of timing. But I think, man,
he's done pretty well since that was about like six
weeks ago, and he's added another major to his hall.
Doing pretty well for thirty six.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Good to talk to you again, John, Thanks for joining
us anytime.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Thank them.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
That's John Worth on Sports Illustrated, Executive editor, senior writer,
and of.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Course corresponded for sixty minutes.
Speaker 11 (27:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I enjoyed thea You know, I've had people say, why
are you hating him? Like, first of all, stop I
just cover. I'm not a cheerleader. I love stories. I
root for stories, but in this case, that's the problem
I had. He came in and he was prime, and
he embarrassed those kids.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
That's all.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
That doesn't mean I hate the story or hate him
or hate their success. He makes my job easier. I
got things to talk about. It's a great storyline. Do
I think it's sustainable this year? I own't, but I'm
enjoying it now and I think next year. I mean
that's where I said he would make his impact. Next year,
(28:09):
that's when I thought you would see a true Dion
Sanders lead team. They have jumped the gun on that
they're a big underdog against Oregon. Then they have usc
this could be brought back down to earth quickly. And
now there's part of me that I hope it is
sustainable for this year. It's a great story, but we
(28:29):
never like to factor in reality. It's like, man, this
is wonderful and then you go, uh, well, you know
this could happen here. But if I happen, if I
happen to add logic perspective, then somehow I'm a hater,
which I'm not. Dion has been very generous to this show.
(28:49):
We've invited him on every week and maybe he'll join us,
maybe he won't. But my job is not to, you know,
be a thing of the program. My job is to
cover the program, and I'm trying to do that the
best I can without having any kind of bias one
way or another.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
That's all. Yeah, Mark, So.
Speaker 13 (29:13):
College basketball is get Allen Iverson because we don't cover
college basketball until March. Unless Alan Iverson shows up. We
need somebody on that level to give us that type
of story. We're rooting for the story, not the team
per se. But I would love for them to go
eight and two, eight and three.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Yeah, But Alan Iverson's not the personality that Dion is.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Like, Dion is.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
An unbelievable hype machine. Iverson's not. Iverson played a way
like Dion. He had style, he had flair, he didn't
have the same charisma that Dion has. Dion is saying,
turn on the lights on me, focus on me, and
(29:55):
he's comfortable. I never thought Iverson was that comfortable in
the spotlight off the court. And of course he had,
you know, the issue, you know, the confrontation that put
him in jail, and then John Thompson, you know, saved
his life, got him out, got him at Georgetown.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
But you know, the way he played, you.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Know, we wanted to emulate, but Dion is more than
just the way he played. It's it's a personality. It's contagious.
As Dion says, these kids aren't coming to this university.
They're coming to this university to play for me. And
he's right, you're coming to play for Dion. Yeah, I'm
with you there.
Speaker 13 (30:34):
But I think as far as maybe the pomp and circumstance,
the rappers, the other athletes, they would come if he
you know, with the Hampton University or Howard University, it
would be one of those like, all right, we gotta
go see Allen Iverson's team play. Maybe not the charisma
and the outgoing personality that Dion is, but as far
as the reverence that people have for him, maybe and
(30:55):
like kids that play now, they didn't really see Dion
play or Irison play, but their parents do and they
still know who those guys are. So I mean just
from that aspect, not from the entertainer side.
Speaker 11 (31:07):
Off the field.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Well, that's when people analysts brought up that this opens
the door for black head coaches and I said.
Speaker 11 (31:13):
No, it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
There's only one Dion, that's it. And what he's doing
is hard to replicate. Now, be really hard for anybody
to replicate this who has that kind of personality, that
magnanimous personality, and he is you're watching him on the sidelines,
you're watching a coach on the sidelines. But he's also
(31:38):
he's relatable. He has two sons who are the same
age as the you know kids he's recruiting. One's his
defensive back, one's his quarterback. And if you understand pop
culture and pop culture understands you, and you have that marriage,
and that's what you have here. This is unique, unique, fascinating,
and it happened overnight because they beat TCU. If they
(32:01):
lose to TCU by twenty one points, there's no story.
Even if they beat Nebraska, even if they beat Colorado State,
you're like, okay, all right, well let's see what they
do against Oregon. And they're twenty three point underdogs this weekend.
And then they got USC and then it all goes away,
but it didn't. They did win, and then they beat Nebraska.
(32:25):
They're not any good, Colorado State's not good, but they
played great and then here you are three and zero.
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Speaker 2 (33:35):
Your podcast from Final Hour. In this Tuesday, Dan and
The Dan ch Dan Patrick Show. Stat of the Day
brought to you by Panini America, the official trading cards
to The Dan Patrick Show. Last night, decent Football. Do
you like the doubleheader? I hope you do, because we
have a doubleheader coming up next Monday night on the
(33:56):
mother Ship. You got one good game, right, You got
the Eagles in Tampa Bay, both undefeated by the way.
Then you got the Rams against the Bengals. But then
Joe Burrow might not play in that game. Maybe we
don't have a good game coming up between those two.
On Monday Night, Steelers beat the Browns by four. They
also Brown's losing the game and Nick Chubb done for
(34:18):
the season. Saints beat the Panthers and the Saints are
now two and zero. Patrick Mahomes got a new deal,
and I thought it was really brilliant of his management
to disco Let me hold on here, let me say
Justin Herbert got paid, all right, Joe Burrow got paid,
mar Jackson got paid. Okay, Hey, ownership, my guy just
(34:40):
won the Super Bowl for you.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
We'd like to freshen things up a little bit. Sure,
we can do that.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
So Patrick Mahomes got paid. I don't know if you
have any pushback if you're the chiefs ownership where you
go well, because any contract that I negotiated or I
was involved in, they'd always say yeah, but and then
they would put out something that I needed to do
or I didn't do or I should do more. I
don't think you could do that. If you're the Hunt family,
(35:08):
you're going up Okay, how much?
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Yep, absolutely, because whatever it is, it's still going to
be a bargain. But Kansas City's going to have to
rely on him even more so. It feels like this year,
and at least so far, the offense hasn't been there yet.
But you know, at what point do you say this
is what this offense is going to look like? Because
(35:31):
we're talking about it now and we could replay this
in ten weeks from now and we might be sounding
silly or we might be right on target. Where it's
like Okay, not as good offensive line, Travis Kelcey coming back.
You know, Chris Jones had a big impact this past
(35:51):
weekend here. What about the other players running game, those
kind of things, and are they able to sort of
refresh that and come back can be the Kansas City
Chiefs we'd come to expect.
Speaker 10 (36:02):
Yes, it's funny, even in a year that Patrick Mahomes
looks more human than he ever has in his career,
he still gets a monster deal.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah, well, they're banking on him being able to continue
to do this no matter who they put in there.
You know, it's almost getting like the Tom Brady treatment
of Hey, Tom, you got to make good with what
we got there. Wait, who are these guys? Well, just
do your best. You know you got the greatest coach
in history right there. Yeah, I wish he was a
(36:32):
better GM. Get me some talent here. Mahomes has been lucky,
fortunate to have an offensive minded head coach and some
skilled position players, and of course he's wonderful as well.
Speaker 10 (36:43):
His contracts right now feel like compounding interest, like he
doesn't even just like it just keeps all right, This
contract is just going to make you more money on
the next one. Which is going to make you more
money on the next one. It just keeps rolling.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Sunday night, it'll be TJ.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Watt and the Steelers taking on Jimmy Garoppolo and the Raiders.
Sunday It's seven Eastern on NBC in PEACI DraftKings has
updated over under win totals. Hmmm, who do you think
has the highest over under win total? According to DraftKings Marvin,
I'll start.
Speaker 11 (37:18):
With you my Niners, bloop bloop bloop.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Then we have one, two, three teams who are tied
at eleven and a half wins over under, Seaton.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Eagles, Costion, Mark the Eagle. Where are the Eagles? They're
not even in here? What the flawed hit is? Where's Ray?
Tell me what the Eagles over under is?
Speaker 10 (37:49):
Come on, Ray, Ray's having a bad week here. I
heard him get yelled at on the gambling podcast.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Yes, yeah, yeah, he screwed up.
Speaker 10 (37:57):
Yeah, because he messed up. And then he's like, no,
it's your guys is fault. And he's like, oh no.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
No, it's fine.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Yeah, Chiefs, Dolphins, Cowboys eleven and a half wins.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
The Eagles have to be there or yeah, I don't
have the over under for the Eagles.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
They get they're deleted, they're not even other.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
The Bills are ten and a half. I didn't see
anything else interesting here.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Did you hear from picture Day? Ray?
Speaker 11 (38:27):
I sure did? Dan eleven and a half for the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
Okay, is there a reason why it wasn't on the sheet?
Speaker 13 (38:33):
I'm gonna be looking for an answer right now. Okay,
I'm gonna yell at him via DM.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Okay, early coach of the year odds, Marvin, I'll start
with you. He is not in the top five. He
doesn't coach the Cowboys.
Speaker 11 (38:49):
I'm changing my answer, Mike mcdan.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Then it's the coach of my Atlanta Falcons, Arthur Smiths.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Dan cam but a great to see. He's got to
be up there, don't they?
Speaker 2 (39:02):
John Harbaugh and Dan Campbell's same odds. And then Matt
Leers not getting anyone? Okay, Bob Bob Sola, Bob Hey, Bobby, Bobby.
Which NFL team will be the last undefeated team?
Speaker 3 (39:19):
Todd?
Speaker 9 (39:22):
The last undefeated team will be.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
The Niners their second Paul repeated your question, Yes, because
he didn't.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Yeah, I know I heard. I'm calling to look at that,
and I'm glad that you were listening. Eleven Yeah, maybe, yeah.
I guess what was the question I asked?
Speaker 9 (39:47):
Child?
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Oh, are you your favorite favor? Are you your mom's
favorite child?
Speaker 9 (39:54):
I should have definitely said absolutely, but.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Then you didn't hear the question, but but you answered it.
Speaker 9 (39:59):
I answered it right, but I answered it kind of
like hedging my best.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
The Eagles are the odds on favor to be the
last undefeated team, then the Niners, Cowboys, Ravens.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
And then the Dolphins.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
So I don't know what any of this means, but
it did take up about four minutes.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Uh what do you have, Marvin?
Speaker 9 (40:19):
Hey?
Speaker 11 (40:19):
Dan, Ray's got an answer to what why they couldn't.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Put the Eagles on here?
Speaker 11 (40:25):
Yeah? Okay, he could only do the interesting teams. He
was told whoa.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Who told him that? Because it wasn't me, wn't me
to you. I can't fire Ray right now.
Speaker 11 (40:38):
Wait until like Friday after the gambling podcast.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
Thursday, after the gambling podcast. He doesn't even get meat Friday, gotcha?
Is he even a full time employee?
Speaker 4 (40:48):
Not anymore?
Speaker 3 (40:48):
Yeah? He had a good run.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
Yeah, great run.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Yeah, picture day Ray looks like Jared Goff. Uh yeah, Paul.
Speaker 7 (40:56):
I have a quesh off last night's games. Now, they
weren't that exciting or that good. Are any of the
four teams that played last night even close to threatening
threatening to make the Super Bowl? Could you see any
of the four teams in any scenario making the Super
Bowl this year.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
From last night?
Speaker 2 (41:16):
Well, I think the Saints because they could win their
division at home and have a home playoff game. I
don't see Cleveland or Pittsburgh winning that division. Carolina certainly isn't,
I guess by the process of elimination.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
I'd say the Saints.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
But you don't sound like you believe it in any way.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
No, no, no, I don't no.
Speaker 4 (41:40):
Can you see Cleveland riding the ship or a Nick
Chubb thing? Too painful?
Speaker 3 (41:44):
Literally?
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Yeah, it's just a pretty competitive It's a balanced division.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
I don't think you have a bad team. You may
not have a.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Great team, but you have I think Baltimore has the
potential to be great. I'm just not sure about the
Steelers offense. I like the defense the Browns, I'm just
not sure you know what we're doing, expecting to see
with Deshaun Watson there, then you lose Nick Chubb. But
(42:15):
the Bengals without Joe Burrow for a little while. Yeah,
I don't see anybody threatening about it out of any
of those teams.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
Let's see poll question for the.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Final hour Seaton if you want to freshen up what
we had last hour and let us know what the
end results.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
I thought they were interesting results. Yeah.
Speaker 10 (42:37):
Yeah, we were talking about should TV broadcast show, you know,
replays of gruesome injuries? And right now it's still split.
Well now it's fifty two forty eight.
Speaker 7 (42:49):
Yes they should, Okay, Yeah, Paul so off the Nick
Chubb hit last night.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
It was Mika Fitzpatrick on the hit. Correct.
Speaker 7 (42:56):
A lot of people were discussing it the hit, and
I thing like that, like Ryan Clark from ESPN was
discussing it saying it was a clean hit, and then
Nate Burlson from CBS saying it was not a clean hit.
And that's an example of where a replay would really
illuminate what happened on the play.
Speaker 4 (43:11):
Was it a dirty hit? Was it low? Was he
Nick Chubb.
Speaker 7 (43:14):
Being held up and another guy comes in low when
he's unprotected. But since there's no replay, the story is
just you have to go find it for yourself.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
But also you're giving two different answers from one a
defensive player and one an offensive player. Nate Burlson, a
former wide receiver, said it was a dirty hit. Ryan Clark,
a defensive back, saying it wasn't.
Speaker 10 (43:34):
Yes, I mean I've never played football, but we just
had somebody on recently. I forget who it was, but
you're taught to aim for the thighs, right, That to me,
the difference between when everybody is moving so fast and
you know, oh, yeah, that's right, that's what it was.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Yeah, you aim for the thighs.
Speaker 10 (43:53):
Everybody is moving so fast and you throw yourself at
somebody's thighs, it's very likely that you could hit a knee. Yeah,
I mean that's that doesn't seem all that crazy to
me that I didn't think it was a dirty hit. Well,
I just think the result of it was really awful.
But it didn't seem like it was dirty to me.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Sometimes we look at a hit and we think that
there's something nefary us to it, depending on what the
result is. The outcome of it is where you know,
somebody gets really hurt and you go, oh, was that
a dirty hit? I didn't think in the moment it was.
I thought it was just a football play. But you know,
if we had kind of a closer look, then maybe
(44:31):
we would have seen something different there. But that, you know,
my first glance, I didn't think so Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 7 (44:37):
Nay Birlson, a CBS said, the problem is MIKEA. Fitzpatrick
is a veteran dB who torpedoed Chubb's leg while I
was already being taken down by another defender. And he
went through all the you know, back and forth of
what you'd say on it. Another example is like we
showed Aaron Rodgers' injury fifteen times. Now, it wasn't gruesome.
Even though his was Kelly was rolling up his leg,
(44:58):
you couldn't see it. I was not that off putting.
It didn't look like a harsh play, but that you
saw fifteen times because it was a star player being hurt.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Now, Nate Burlson goes on to say in his tweet,
I will leave all defensive players with this. Would you
hit your own teammate like that in a live scrimmage?
That's a rhetorical question because the answer should be no.
So keep that in mind the next time you think
about aiming at someone's knees during a game. Well, there's
(45:26):
a lot of hits that you wouldn't do on your teammate,
but you would do the opponent. I mean, is he
saying that Mika Fitzpatrick wanted to injure Nick Chubb?
Speaker 7 (45:39):
He even says that goes. I don't know Minco well
enough to call him dirty, so I won't. He said
it's reckless for a veteran to hit someone.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Well, okay, that's semantics, it's reckless. Is he a dirty player?
Is he known as a dirty player? If a defender
goes high and a player gets concussed, he's dirty. If
a defender goes low and a player gets a lower injury,
he's dirty. Where can he hit a runner than y'all?
(46:05):
I mean, she's The growing softness of this game and
the sensitivity of those who watch it saddens me. Is
this the Ryan Clark? Yeah, Ryan Clark saying this?
Speaker 4 (46:15):
Yeah, that's Ryan Clark's initial post about it this morning?
Is Ryan?
Speaker 2 (46:19):
The growing softness of this game and the sensitivity of
those who watch it saddens me?
Speaker 3 (46:24):
All right, Well, back and forth there.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Yeah, I don't think you can say would you do
this in a live scrimmage against one of your teammates.
Speaker 3 (46:34):
Well, no, of course.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
You wouldn't, but that doesn't mean that he went out
of his way to try to injure Nick Chubb. And
I don't know if has Micka Fitzpatrick ever been singled
out as a dirty player.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Is he a headhunter?
Speaker 2 (46:50):
I don't know, But you are getting two perspectives, one
as a former defensive back. One is a wide receipt.
Speaker 10 (47:00):
Yeah, I don't really understand what's so soft though about
not wanting concussions and blown out knees.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
Sounds reasonable to me, not not soft, but.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
Well, the concussion part of it, you know that that
has nothing to do with being soft. I think trying
to blame this on MAKEA Fitzpatrick with you know, his
hit because he wouldn't hit one of his teammates in
a live scrimmage. I think there's a disconnect between those two.
But yeah, getting concussed doesn't mean you're soft.
Speaker 7 (47:35):
Yes, MAKEA Fitzpatrick a handful of times in his career
was called for illegal hits to the head a defensive player.
He was not a one On Higgins from the Bengals.
He was not fine for that, but it was it
was discussed, but he doesn't have like a long history
being fined.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
I like the debate there, Todd, Get both of them
on and see if they want to debate.
Speaker 11 (47:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (47:56):
Yeah, it seems like there's such a fine line between
dirty or not.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
Well, there are dirty players, definitely, But then it feels
like no matter what a defensive player does, he can't win,
and even when he does win, they change rules so
he can't win. They want all this offense, they want
to protect everybody. You can't protect everybody all the time.
Speaker 3 (48:22):
And this might have.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
Been just one of those situations where hey, you know,
kind of the wrong place, wrong time, and the wrong result.
Maybe I aimed here and I went lower than that.
No defensive players talk about hitting a quarterback. I got
to hit you in the size of a mailbox, that's
about it. And now I gotta be careful when I
bring you down, and then I can't slam you, and
(48:44):
I can't land on top of you, and I can't
you know, basically, I have to cradle you and then
lay you on the ground. That's the soft part of
the NFL right there. Because now you're saying, yes, we
must protect these quarterbacks. We don't care about the defensive player.
Even with offensive linemen, we're letting them line up a
couple of yards off the line of scrimmage. We're giving
(49:07):
you a head start because they can't. They're not athletically
able to keep up with these edge rushers. Now, they
haven't come up with a rule yet for Mica or
for Micah Parsons.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
But they will. They will.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
Anybody who wears number eleven, they have to count one Mississippi, two, Mississippi, three,
Mississippi before they go and try to sack the cornerback.
Speaker 3 (49:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (49:31):
I remember a bunch of years ago we had Hines
Ward on the former Steelers wide receiver and think you
asked him, would you rather take a hard shot to
low or high? He said high, He goes if I
get a concussion about a week. If you hit me
my knees, I'm out a year. And he goes, he goes,
and everyone would say the same thing that was heines Ward.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
We'll take a break. We'll get to more phone calls
coming up. Are we going to go with a new
poll question, final hour receipting?
Speaker 10 (49:54):
Yeah, we're actually gonna put up there who currently has
more leverage u Aotani or Patrick mahomes,
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