September 20, 2023 • 50 mins
On today's Dan Patrick Show, DP deliberates whether there should be a tier system in the Pro Football Hall of Fame as the newest nominees for Canton were recently announced. Former NFL QB Ryan Fitzpatrick explains how Russell Wilson may be playing himself out of the Hall of Fame conversation. Plus, ESPN MLB Insider Jeff Passan projects the next contract for Shohei Ohtani after having surgery on his elbow.
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Twitter handle at DP show. I saw where nine first
year eligible players are among the one hundred and seventy
three nominees for the twenty twenty four class of the
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Pro Football Hall of Fame, the nine Julius Peppers, Antonio Gates,
Brandon Marshall, Jordi Nelson, Jamal Charles, t J Lang, Josh Sitton,
Max Unger, and Helod Nanda. They combined for twelve first
team All Pro selections, forty two Pro Bowls. And it's
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we go through this process every single year, and are
we going to get to the point that Deon Sanders
has talked about we have too many in the Hall
of Fame And is there way to differentiate distinguish between
those who get in first ballot and those who just
get into the Hall of Fame. I have no problem
treating those players who were special and having a special floor.
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You want to have a penthouse at the Pro Football
Hall of Fame in Kenton, Ohio. I think that would
be pretty cool. But all you're saying is if you
get in on the first ballot, we're going to put
you in a special place. Nothing wrong with that. You know,
everybody's a Hall of Famer, but not everybody's on the
same level of the Hall of Fame. And if you
want to do that in other sports, first ballot Hall
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of Famer, I have no problem with that. I like
celebrating more people going into the Hall of Fame. Dion
says it's too watered down, And I understand that from
his perspective because he wants to be in the penthouse
with the other first ballot Hall of famers. But these
are the latest nominees. So there's one hundred and seventy
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three nominees on the ballot for the Pro Football Hall
of Fame. But if I go through who's a Hall
of Famer, and really this should be the litmus test,
it's not. But if I say Julius Pepper's Hall of
Fame right away, yes, no, yes, yes, yeah, yeah, Paul.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Yeah, long career, a lot of ten SAX.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Seasons, Okay, got suspended for I think it was like
a fedro. Uh yeah, I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Throw what curveball here? While Julius Peppers is a Hall
of Famer, I think I'd rather have Halod Nada on
my team. I don't think Halodi Nada's run was near
as long as far as dominance. I thought Helod Nada
was a wrecker.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Okay. Is anybody a first ballot Hall of Famer? Oh
that's different too. If I say Antonio Gates, who was
also suspended. He's a Hall of Famer right, his numbers
as a tight end, now he gets lost in the
shuffle here with you Tony Gonzalez, you got Gronk, you
certainly have Travis Kelcey. Then you have the other tight ends.
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And Antonio Gates had incredible numbers. Never got to play
in that big game, but he always had incredible numbers.
Former basketball player, Yes, Mar, what.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Do you say about those guys like maybe Shannis Sharper,
Chris Carter that weren't first ballad But in your head
you're like, they weren't first ballid. That's surprising, almost like
a t O.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Also, well, I don't know if the vote liked Chris Carter.
I think his personality rubbed people the wrong way. It's
not supposed to factor in, certainly with the Pro Football
Hall of Fame. They're not supposed to factor in you
off the field, at least that's what I've been told.
But is Chris Carter first ballot Hall of Famer?
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Is Shannon Sharp first ballel Hall of Famer? Absolutely? But
I don't think anybody here is a first ballot Hall
of Famer. Julius Peppers, Antonio Gates, Brandon Marshall. Yeah, you
know Hall of Famers, but I don't, at least the
first two Antonio Gates and Julius Peppers hall of Famers.
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I'm glad I don't have to vote on this. I
struggle enough with the Heisman Trophy, like I really care
about it because I understand the significance of it. I
knew what it meant when I was growing up. I
don't know if it means as much to these players,
maybe as much as it's just a marketing thing for them,
chance to cash in, maybe do a Nissan Heisman commercial
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with Baker Mayfield. But when it comes to Hall of
Fame and you know, being able to get in, when
you get in, you know, is it a veterans committee?
But voting on this is really tough. And what happens
is you get guys who come in and basically will
stump for somebody, they'll campaign for somebody. They go in
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trying to sell you on why this person deserves to
go in. I don't know if you have people who
go in and say why somebody shouldn't be in, but
you do have people representing these athletes.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
You know.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Tom Brady famously wrote a letter for Jason Taylor. The
Dolphins talk about how great. I mean, if you got
Brady endorsing you, how can a voter go, well, I
don't know. It's that guy was chasing that guy, and
he wrote a letter about how great Jason Taylor was. Yeah, points, Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
There's a guy like Brandon Marshall who was a great
wide receiver but may have trouble getting the Hall of
Fame because his career went for a few places Denver, Miami,
Chicago Jets. But let's compare Marshall the wide receiver to
Calvin Johnson. Calvin Johnson had one season with one hundred
or more receptions. Brandon Marshall had six seasons with one
hundred more receptions. Calvin Johnson had one season with over
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ten touchdown catches. I'm sorry he had fox, Sorry he
had four. Brandon Marshall also had four seasons over ten.
But Brandon Marshall didn't do it for one team. It's
weird like Brandon Marshall might have a tougher time getting
the Hall of Fame than Calvin Johnson.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Oh yeah, Calvin Johnson first MALLA Hall of Famer Marshall.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I never felt that Calvin Johnson was.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
First MALLA Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
No, I thought his he had four great years and
then he quit.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I think he was always the man. Imagine if he
played for somebody other than the Lion for sure, right,
and then who were your quarterbacks? If you factor that in,
who did Brandon Marshall have throwing to him? And then
who did Calvin Johnson have throwing to him? I guess
you got to factor that in as well. But you know,
first the Hall of Famer, I don't have a problem
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if you want to, and I don't want to differentiate
like third floor, second floor, first floor, and then somebody's
in the basement of the Hall of Fame. I just
wanted one floor, first ballot, Hall of Fame. That'll be
the top floor.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Okay, like the Gold level, that's it.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
The Gold Club, Yes, oh, Gold Gold Club. Okay, let's go,
yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I go there for the buffet.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
Yees seton how much of the the Calvin Johnson or
Brandon Marshall thing is based on where you're drafted. One
one went second overall, the other one was a fourth
round draft pick. Immediately coming into the league, you're seeing
at different levels. So Calvin Johnson going into the league
was already like a super stud wide receiver because of
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just based on what he did in college and where
he was drafted.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Right, But sometimes you won't get the recognition because you're
supposed to be great, as opposed to, Oh my god,
have you seen this Cooper Cup guy, Like he got
so much attention because nobody knew who he was, as
opposed to this guy coming into the league. He's supposed
to be great, and I think sometimes that can work
against you, just like you know, Pauli's saying, Calvin Johnson
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only had four seasons that were great.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yeah, in my opinion, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
But he should have had more. He's Calvin Johnson, You
were a high draft pick, whereas Brandon Marshall had maybe
better numbers, more consistent numbers for a longer period of time,
and he was more of a surprise.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
You kind of feel like with Calvin Johnson though in
his career, it wasn't his fault that the Lions weren't
winning exactly, you know what I mean. It wasn't his fault. Yes,
it was everybody else's fault. Somebody else should have done
something more because he did what he was supposed to do.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
But is he the receiving version of Matthew Stafford. Oh yeah,
where I mean Matthew Stafford's going to be a Hall
of Fame room because he won the Super Bowl? Right, No,
but go.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Ahead, No, not Marvin saying he shouldn't. You're saying he is.
You're both right.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
I'm saying he's going to get in. I'm saying because
if he just had his career with Detroit, he to me,
he's not a Hall of Famer. I mean, he's just
a you know, East Coast version of Philip Rivers.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Yes, Mark, Matthew Stafford has I think one Pro Bowl,
not even like at all pro not even a season.
He doesn't have like a Matt Ryan type of season
where it's he was the MVPLL and he's got a
Super Bowl, He's got Brad Johnson.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Is he is accumulated, he's a compiler, and then he
won a Super Bowl. Okay, put Trent Dofring he got
a Pro Bowl too. Yeah, but his numbers aren't close
to Matthew Stafford. Yeah, Calvin Johnson, Yes.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
You can make the case that Detroit Lions had the
most physically talented running back, wide receiver and quarterback in
the last fifty years physically talented. No one questioned Matt
Stafford's ability to throw the ball. I mean big arm bit,
one of the biggest arms Calvin Johnson.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Not literally.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Yeah, No, I don't think it's that big thing. But
I think Barry Sanders of Calvin Johnson are like first
ballot ability.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Yes, I would agree with that.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Sorry lines fan.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
Yes, this is a very local reference, but I'm sure
a certain portion of our audience will really appreciate it.
This person, Matt wrote, the Hall of Fame is like
living in Laguna Beach. Some people live on the ocean.
Some people can see the ocean. Some people live in
a seventies house obstructed by someone else with more money,
But you all.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Live in Laguna.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
I get it. Thank you, Matt, I get it. Matt,
well done. That is the Hall of Fame. You're on
the beach, on the beach, or somebody is looking at
your house on the beach.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Yes, Dion is on the beach.
Speaker 6 (10:40):
But they can still walk to the beach when they
need to.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yes, somebody's got an obstructed view and they're in the
Hall of Fame. Yes, Ton. Isn't it possibly giving.
Speaker 7 (10:48):
The voters too much power?
Speaker 8 (10:49):
If we make separate wings or have the special wing
that these this group decides who should be in the Pentagon?
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Wouldn't you be interested if I said, I mean, how
many times do you go, Wow, I can't wait to
see what the results are of the Hall of Fame
where you go. For the most part, we know who's
going to go into the Hall of Fame. I mean
sometimes we're surprised. But to be a first ballot Hall
of Famer, now, all of a sudden, you get a
celebration on top of a celebration, and then you get
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the first ballot Hall of Famers who then welcome him
into the club.
Speaker 8 (11:22):
But is it the best interest of the Hall of
Fame and the NFL to have we want to create
this debate forever in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 7 (11:28):
It's like, how is this one not in the penthouse?
Or this one?
Speaker 9 (11:31):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (11:32):
There, but shouldn't be?
Speaker 10 (11:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (11:33):
Is that a good thing?
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yes? They want conversation, they want to bathe absolutely. If
you went to the Hall of Fame and I said
there is a gold club, are you going up to
see that? Are you going to make sure that you
go up and see that?
Speaker 7 (11:50):
If I'm already at the Hall of fame. It's a curiosity.
Speaker 8 (11:53):
But I think ultimately for me, I think you're either
make the Hall of Fame or you don't.
Speaker 7 (11:56):
I'm uncomfortable with wings or.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
National section, first bull Hall of Fame. That's it.
Speaker 8 (12:01):
You can put that on the plaque somewhere that you
were a first baut I don't know about like those
busts go to the top floor.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
I definitely want it. Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 6 (12:09):
Agree that the only there shouldn't be wings, there shouldn't
be anything. The only designation is you were either first
ballot or you got in. That's just it, That's all
you need. Yes, because first ballot is something special.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
I love it, Yes, Mart.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Can you imagine t O looking at Steve Largent like, wait,
he gets to go into the champagne room, he gets
to go into the club. I'm down here. I could
see the velvet rope. I was better than him, or
maybe as good. Can you imagine that type of you know.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Paying you didn't get in.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
The voter's fault.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
Don't blame Steve Largent, don't don't blame him. I like
the idea when like Hall of famers are like it's
getting a little crowded in here.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
If you know what I mean, going upstairs and they're
the only ones who can go up there, the other
Hall of Famers. So you have somebody there velvet ropes,
somebody tries to get in. You're like, uh uh I
think uh I think second you were second year that
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you go so sorry, Hey, I'm a Hall of Famer too.
Speaker 9 (13:12):
I know you.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Yeah, sure, I know you're. Yeah, but not on this floor.
Not You're a Hall of Famer down downstairs.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, yes, you make James Harrison the bouncer, he's just
stand there weight. You know what you get in when
you go to those real nice hotels and you got
to go in the elevator and swipe your car down
your room and you press four and then you swipe
your card and you hit pH and it won't let
you go to pH. You get those kind of cards.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yes, But within this.
Speaker 8 (13:35):
Gold Club we're talking about, is there a main stage
and then our periphery? How far do we break it
down or is it just that one penthouse level?
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Well there even is it? Then it's just keep it simple.
It's one floor of it, all right. I know you
don't like it, but it's a top floor. It's the
Gold Club it's first balance.
Speaker 7 (13:54):
You also had mentioned something about different colored jackets.
Speaker 8 (13:56):
I don't know if you were being facetious, So you'd
like to see different shades of gold.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Dan talked about that.
Speaker 7 (14:01):
Yeah, that's so, that's a little far.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
But once again, you stand out in the crowd and
then people go, oh, wow, who's that. He was a
first ballot Hall of Famer back in the sixties. Oh,
it is this conversation you want to create. You know this,
this is what you want. We just filled up ten minutes.
Speaker 7 (14:21):
Just wearing the red jacket. He's kind of made the
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
But that's that's not true. There's no red jacket.
Speaker 7 (14:26):
Ton if they went in that direction, everything, no what.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
And I just said what did I just say? Really simple?
First ballot, we're going to put you up on the
top floor. You can have a gold jacket, you know,
a more gold jacket.
Speaker 8 (14:42):
This little group of voters gets to decide the immortality
of the pentasse.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
They're deciding the immortality of the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 8 (14:50):
Yeah, but it's just. But if it's just you're either
a Hall of Famer or not, it's one thing. But
now you're deciding who gets their bust on the top floor.
Speaker 7 (14:56):
This group.
Speaker 8 (14:56):
Some of them may not like a certain player, or
they're old and they haven't been followed some of the years.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
That's what happens getting into the Hall of Fame. They're
doing it either way. Yes, they're deciding who gets a
bust and who doesn't.
Speaker 8 (15:06):
Yeah, but it really stands out more when you're now
designating a these are the real real Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Me just me, oh, I know that today. I don't know.
Even in the morning meeting.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
He had some takes today that we were like, okay,
what's going on to be controversary.
Speaker 8 (15:22):
I just that's my opinion. Is really the penthouse and
like you're on the one of the lower.
Speaker 6 (15:26):
D Aaron Rodgers can't have surgery like normal people does.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
He has as a super special surgery. You do like that?
You did say that.
Speaker 8 (15:31):
Yeah, he goes up on top of the mountain and
they put little pins and needles in him and no
one else knows about this special way to be able
to come back in six months from it.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Oh, what do you think he's so great?
Speaker 6 (15:41):
All of a sudden, he's the one that knows the
super secret, so greedy one doesn't everybody do it?
Speaker 2 (15:45):
He went to an actual doctor, not some guy at
a mountain. He was an actual end immunized.
Speaker 8 (15:50):
All of a sudden, He's back week twelve because he
had this special procedure done that no one ever heard of.
Speaker 7 (15:55):
Whatever might be back for the playoffs?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Right, Okay, but isn't that a good story? Isn't that
a good thing? I guess, I guess.
Speaker 11 (16:07):
Rogers.
Speaker 8 (16:08):
It seems like Aaron Rodge has something figured out that
the rest of the world of athletes don't good.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
I mean, if he did find something great and he
can come back, great show Heyo Tani having surgery. By
the way, it was the Dodgers surgeon who did the
surgery on show. Heytani, relationship already gonna be with the Dodgers.
It'd be like, hey, come on in, here's your team doctor.
He's going to be doing your surgery. Okay, we're just
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Speaker 6 (17:12):
The front half of October rounds.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Yeah, we're hoping to do that, all right. Let me
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Let's pull question. We're gonna go with first, don re seating.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
I think we're gonna go with two for the first hour, now, okay,
first one is should the Pro Football Hall of Fame
have a wing just.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
For first balloders? Okay, all right, all right?
Speaker 6 (18:16):
And then I think we're also going to go with
if you were an Amazon TV executive, would you allow
Ryan Fitzpatrick to shave his beard? Allow him to of
course it's his face, or absolutely not hashtag branding.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Okay, uh yeah, Paulie.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
I'll jump in on this. If I'm Ryan Fitzerpatrick's boss,
I would like at least a heads up if there's
any big shaving or changes in the beard hair, because
that's part of the money. May he's a very good analyst.
The beard is also very part of big part of it.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
But what if his wife says, all right, let's go,
we're done with this.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I'm paying the bills. I'm Joe Amazon.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Oh no, no, no, he might be paying the bills,
but somebody's running the house.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
Is there still fits magic though without Is it a
little bit like Samson and you cut the hair, you
cut the beard.
Speaker 7 (18:59):
Yeah, it's a little less fit. That's magical, I think.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
All right, let's ask him Ryan Fitzpatrick, who joined just
We have the Niners and the Giants coming up Thursday night,
Thursday Night Football and Ryan of course one of the
analysts there on the program. Prime Video starts at eight
point fifteen Eastern Thursday Night Football tonight. All right, is
it in your contract that you must keep your beard?
Speaker 4 (19:23):
So?
Speaker 12 (19:23):
I don't think it's written in the contract, although it
was mentioned to me that it was a very important
thing that I kept my beard, So I am not
shaving it. I also just funny anecdote was doing a
commercial and they were nervous I shaved my chest hair,
so they had yak hair in case I shaved my
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chest hair because that was going to be a big
part of the commercial.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
They put yak hair on your chest for the commercial.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
Yeah, let me see, I got it in here somewhere.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
It's in my trophy case.
Speaker 12 (20:00):
But just in case, they had it on set because
they were nervous that I was shaving my chest.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Okay, well, is it part of your identity? Though, do
you feel like that if you did shave, does that
take away something from you?
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (20:16):
I mean I could go I could be completely anonymous
if I shaved my beard. I don't think people would
recognize me. But you know, my kids are kind of
the driving force behind it.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Now.
Speaker 12 (20:26):
My daughters have no interest. They've seen me shave my
beard once or twice and have no interest ever seeing
that man again.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
All right, that's all we needed to know. Ryan. You know,
I have a great game tomorrow night. We were just
talking about the Hall of Fame. Dan has brought this
up before. Could you have a top floor that will
distinguish differentiate the first ballad Hall of Famers? So you
make it it's special for the Hall of Fame. Now
you get something that's even more special for guys who
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were first ballot Hall of Famers. What do you think
of that idea.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
I think it's a great idea.
Speaker 12 (21:03):
You know, it's going to be interesting coming up here,
just the way that the stats have blown up in
the last fifteen years, especially with quarterback play. When Richard
Sherman and I love to have these debates all the
time of you know, is he a first ballot guy?
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Is he going to get in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 12 (21:21):
But if you strictly look at numbers of some of
these guys, you're looking at Matt Ryan's numbers. You're looking
at Matthew Stafford's numbers. Now, Russell Wilson the first one
to ever do what he did with the passing yards
and the rushing yards, and he's got a Super Bowl
under his belt. It's like, how many of these guys
that were looking at that, we're saying, well, gosh, I
guess I could see him getting in the Hall of Fame.
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I think making a tear or a distinction is a
good idea.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Matthew Stafford hall of Famer.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
He's one of my.
Speaker 12 (21:54):
Favorite quarterbacks I've ever watched. But I just think there
were too many empty years in Detroit.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Okay, Matt Ryan.
Speaker 12 (22:05):
I think if he wins that Super Bowl, it becomes
very easy. But I mean, Matt Ryan statistically, I don't
have it in front of me, but I think he's
probably top five in yards yeah, in his career or
somewhere up there. So he had some pretty good years
in Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
I would say, yes, he's got sixty three thousand yards.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (22:29):
I mean, I'm telling you, some of these discussions are
going to happen with these quarterbacks coming up, it's going
to be very difficult. It's going to be difficult to
get in, but it's going to be difficult to say
no to a lot of these guys with their numbers.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Can Russell Wilson play himself out of the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Is he playing himself out of the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Yes? I think he is.
Speaker 12 (22:56):
That's going to be an interesting one this week too
at Miami or I don't know if they're they're playing
in Miami, But who's whose fault is that going to
be as that continues to go south? Is that Sean
Payton or is that wristband Russell? I think we're we're
all intrigued on that one.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
But I don't know what happened, Like, how does it
you go from being this, you know, Hall of Fame quarterback,
unbelievable career and then all of a sudden you fall
off you know the cliff here? What happened?
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Yeah? I mean I think.
Speaker 12 (23:32):
Sometimes you don't know how good you have it until
until it's gone. And that was a historic defense in Seattle.
That was a great situation that he was put in
look and he played really well, and you know it,
(23:52):
just as soon as this whole let Russ Cook thing happen,
and he wanted to go to another place because he
wants to have more control and show that he can
do it somewhere else. The grass is not always greener,
and I think this is a situation that definitely points
to that.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
I'm talking to Ryan Fitzpatrick. You can see him tomorrow night.
It'll be Amazon Prime Video. Andrew Whitworth, Tony Gonzalez. Let's
see who else, Yitch Oh, we good friend Christ Thompson
is going to be there. Richard Sherman's going to be
their pre halftime and postgame show coverage at seven Eastern,
the games at eight fifteen. I know you played in
(24:30):
the Ivy League. Buddy Tevens, the great Dartmouth head coach,
just passed away. It was quite the innovator. I don't
know if you know what your recollection was of a
buddy at Dartmouth.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Yeah, we lost a great man.
Speaker 12 (24:44):
I mean he did great things for Dartmouth, for the
IVY League and really for the game of football in general.
And he was best friends with my coach, Tim Murphy,
and so I got to know him over the years.
He ran the Peyton and Eli Manning Passing Academy, so
he meant a lot to the game of football and
(25:05):
even just health and safety of the player, some innovative
things that they did at Dartmouth. So I appreciate you
for bringing that up. And we certainly lost a great man.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Yeah, we had him on a couple of times. He
was a great interview and really an innovator ahead of
his time with college football at Dartmouth. I was wondering
about this strategy. Brian Dabele is saying Saquon Barkley could
be available tomorrow night, and I was wondering about that.
I don't know if it's gamesmanship, but it also puts
a little more pressure on Saquon Barkley that, you know
(25:36):
he's supposed to be out three weeks now, your coach
is saying, hey, you might be available tomorrow night. So
then what maybe it's you? Why aren't you playing? Because
your coach is saying this is Brian just saying, do
you expect Saquon Barkley to play tomorrow night?
Speaker 13 (25:52):
Well?
Speaker 5 (25:52):
As as an employee and analyst for Amazon, I.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Fully expect, of course, of course make sure, end of course.
Speaker 12 (26:01):
But you know, watching watching the end of that game,
and the way you know his expression is frustration, his face,
the way that the ankle got tweaked. There's no chance
he's playing in this game. It's it's gamesmanship, it's stable
just making sure that they have to still prepare a
little bit for Saquon if he plays. But I don't
(26:22):
think anybody believes that, And so that doesn't put a
whole lot of pressure on Saquon because I think it's
just the coach talking now. Once you apply a timetable
to him and you say, okay, this is a mild
ankle sprain three weeks. That as a player is tough
because there's now undue pressure on you to hurry up
and get back on the field. And as players, we're
(26:43):
trying to do the best we can to be out
there and be available.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Did you ever face somebody who was in that category
with Michael Parsons.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
He is unbelievable.
Speaker 12 (26:58):
I think there were some years, you know, JJ Watt,
there were some years where he was unblockable, Aaron Donald unblockable.
But Micah Parsons is quickly becoming the guy, the face
of the NFL. It's really scary, and I think dan
Quinn is so innovative in the way that he's gonna
(27:20):
be able to put him in different spots in Russia
because look a lot of an offense and what you do.
What can you do versus a great pass rusher, Well,
you could chip, But all of a sudden, we saw
last week they put Micah Parsons on the outside. They
run a game where he steps up and then runs
around and to the inside, so they know how teams
are going to try to block Micah. They're going to
move him around. It's hard to double them on every play.
(27:42):
But he's as good as it gets, and he is
a scary, scary player right now.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
I didn't understand the Jets philosophy here the game plan.
You have Zach Wilson on the road against Dallas, and
you run the ball eleven times, you have two good
running backs, why not just you know, Bill Parcells used
to say, the best way to go at a great
defender is to go at the defender. Don't let him
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try to catch up with the play. Because lt Micah Parsons,
they have an athleticism to do it. Why not just
run the football and take away a little bit of
the pressure off Zach Wilson.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (28:22):
Sometimes you know it's a head scratcher, but you know,
I'm sure that was the intent going into the game.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
That's what they wanted to do.
Speaker 12 (28:30):
As the score gets away from you a little bit,
you know, as you're trying to play this game of
catch up and figure out, as you're getting behind the chains, Okay,
what are we doing here?
Speaker 4 (28:41):
What are we doing here?
Speaker 12 (28:42):
It just gets difficult as a play caller. Did they
want Breeze Hall to touch the ball four times?
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Now?
Speaker 12 (28:48):
I mean, I think we saw the week before what
they want Breas Hall to be. They want a healthy
dose a Breeze, a healthy dose of Dalvin Cook takes
some pressure off of young Zach Wilson. But it's it's
difficult sometimes when you get into those games because you
go in with one plan and then all of a
sudden you look back after the game and think, gosh.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
You know, we really screwed up here. But a lot
of that is, you know.
Speaker 12 (29:10):
A play caller trying to look at that scoreboard and
make up points when you can't really put it all
on Zach Wilson.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
When you heard that the Niners were going to reach
out to Philip Rivers if they had made the Super
Bowl with the injuries to their quarterbacks? Now, did you
think that maybe you could volunteer? Did they call you
to see if you wanted if you could have been
able to play last year if they had gone to
the Super Bowl, did they contact you or did you
(29:41):
think about reaching out to them?
Speaker 12 (29:43):
No, they did not contact me, and I did not
think about reaching out. But you know, the Philip Rivers
thing is interesting with a quarterback, you know, with the receiver,
with the running back, you can't really just come off
the street after missing fifteen sixteen weeks of NFL season
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then into the playoffs and play as a quarterback. That
might be the one position kicker? Do we count them?
I don't know that you could actually do it. I
don't know what kind of shape Philip was in, but
he's so sharp up here that that probably would have
been the best option.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
What if the Jets called you to be a backup
for Zach Wilson, No.
Speaker 12 (30:27):
Chance physically, you know, I had a hip injury at
the end of my career. I don't know where i'd
be with that, But I love what I'm doing right now.
With Amazon. I love my family life. You know, I
gave seventeen years of my life fully committed to the
game of football, and with that became a lot of
(30:48):
sacrifices away from my family. And so I'm perfectly content
at what I'm doing right now and absolutely loving being
involved with Amazon and getting to do the Thursday night gig.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
So I'm I'm happy where I am. So no chance, what's.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
The coolest thing in your office there?
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Well, I'd say the chest hair, but one of the
kids must have grabbed it.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Maybe they're wearing it to school.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
You know, I've got you.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
I've got a lot of cool stuff. Let me grab
one real fast hold on.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Okay, talking to Ryan Fitzpatrick, this was my Thursday night game.
Speaker 12 (31:28):
This was my childhood helmet that I used to wear
throwing the ball in the front yard, and it just
so happened that in two thousand and five with the
two hundred and fiftieth pick. This was also the first
NFL team I ever played for, So that one is
pretty neat for me.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
It looks like something out of there that the Brady
bunch may have worn, the Rams helmet that they wore.
Speaker 12 (31:50):
Yeah, it actually it doesn't fit anymore either.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
I don't want to mess up my hair.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Yeah, your hair looks good. Hair looks good.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
Thank you, Well it's my TV hair.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Yeah, no, no, no, you did great job there. We'll
be watching tomorrow night. Always great to talk to you.
Thank you for your opinions, and have a great day.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
All right, thank you. We'll see it.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
That's Ryan Fitzpatrick. You can see him tomorrow night. Seven
Eastern is when they start Thursday Night Football. Tonight kick
off at Prime Video at eight fifteen Eastern.
Speaker 6 (32:21):
Just in case you want an update real quick on
the poll question, Yes, if you were an Amazon TV executive,
would you allow Ryan Fitzpatrick to shave his beard right now?
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
Hashtag Branding is in the lead with fifty two percent
of the vote. Of course, it's his face, just forty
eight percent. It's a close one.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I like how you said, I don't think it's in
the contract.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Yeah, but it was made mention that my beard is
very up. We can imagine you sit down with this
executive he spent seventeen years in the NFL and they're like, okay,
you know that's great. You got a lot of knowledge.
Keep the beard. Yeah, Pauline.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
I saw a thing once about the movie Old School,
and you know the actor Vince Bond, he was supposed
to cut his hair. He cut his hair, and all
of a sudden, the director goes, we have reshoots on Monday,
and he cut his hair short, Like what are you do?
So they had some reshoots and they're like and they
put a hat on. So there's a couple of scenes
where Vince Bond. I guess you're supposed to get approval
on movie Sense.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
You can see the beard, you can see the hair
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Jeff Passon of the Mothership ESPN senior Baseball insider joints
Us on the program, explain to me the procedure not
surgery that show Hoo Tani had.
Speaker 10 (34:54):
Yeah, it was surgery, and they tried to talk around it,
essentially to not use the words Tommy John.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
What it was.
Speaker 10 (35:06):
Reading between the lines here was a revision, reconstruction with
an internal brace. What that means is Tommy John surgery
has evolved through the years, right it used to be
then the original procedure, Doctor Frank job went into Tommy
John's elbow and drilled holes and essentially looped a new
(35:27):
ucl through those holes using a tendon that was taken
from his wrist. From what Neil E. Latrosh, the doctor
who did the surgery said in the statement, he talked
about it being a repair and a reinforcement, which suggests
that they didn't go in with a brand new tendon
and loop it through that they reinforced the old one
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that was there and added an internal brace, which is
something that doctor Keith meister A noted Tommy John expert
has been doing the last few years, and that Neil
Latrosha has picked up on as well, and that has
found a ton of success in keeping guys healthy essentially, though, yes,
this was Tommy John surgery and Shojo. Tommy's not going
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to pitch next year, and the chances of him coming
back and pitching in the future frankly are pretty good.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Okay, what's to do for his leverage here in the
off season?
Speaker 10 (36:23):
Not a whole lot because he's still hurt, right, Like,
that's the problem with this. I was so genuinely wanting
to see him go into this winter healthy just to
see how high his contract was going to go. I
think if he was fully healthy going in, it was
going to be six hundred and fifty million dollars. So
(36:43):
I think that this ucl tear, that this procedure is
going to cost him one hundred and fifty million probably,
But I really don't foresee many scenarios where it gets
too far under five hundred, Like maybe maybe teams are hesitant.
But let's look at it this way, Dan, you have
a baseline in place already with Aaron Judge to whom
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show Hayo Tani is a very comparable back right, you
have nine years and three hundred and sixty million dollars
that is a recent comparable. You also have the fact
that shoe Hayo Tani is the biggest star in the
sport and international superstar that your franchise value just by
having him around is going to jump. You're going to
sell tickets, you're going to sell merchandise, you're going to
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sell concessions, you're going to sell everything. And then, oh,
by the way, you've got the pitching element too. And
while you may not necessarily want to go out and
guarantee that type of money. Jamison Tayan is a two
time Tommy John guy who went out and got sixty
eight million dollars from the Cubs this past offseason, and
Sho Heo Tani is a lot better than Jameson Taion
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has ever been before. So I think the argument in
his favor to go and get that five hundred million
really is valid. It's just a question of which organization
and specifically which owner is going to be willing to
take that lead, because all the other ones then are
going to want to say.
Speaker 13 (38:09):
You know what, yeah, we'll look at you being a pitcher,
but you're going to have to earn that this is
going to be incentive based, and frankly, I don't think
he's going to want it to be, and I don't
think he should have it need to be.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Should I read into the fact that it was the
Dodgers surgeon who did the surgery on show Hao Tony.
Speaker 10 (38:29):
Now, Neil la Trosh is just excellent to his job.
He's the guy you Him and Master are the guys
you go to, and you know, Jeff Dugas and Birmingham
like the David Altchek, like, there are certain surgeons, but
when you are on the West coast and you live
in La you go to Neil Ela Trosh.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Simple as that.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
When do negotiations start for show Hao Tony the.
Speaker 10 (38:50):
Day after the World Series ends? And you know what,
I'm sure there's back channeling going on right now that
is against rules and regulations. But even with this surgery, Dan,
He's still going to be the you know, the the
hottest free agent that we've seen since Alex Rodriguez the
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first time when he signed with Texas. Like, I can't
think of another player who's gone out there and reached
free agency. I mean Bryce Harper, but that free agency
sort of collapsed on itself, and that that to me,
is going to be the defining question here. Are teams
going to use the UCL issue as an excuse to
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avoid going after a transcendent player or are they not
going to get in their own way and say, this
is a once in a lifetime literally Dan, a once
in a lifetime guy, and we have the opportunity to
get him purely for money. We don't have to give
up players, we don't have to give up prospects. All
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the this is going to take his money, and I
think the smart owners out there will approach it that way,
and we're going to see a pretty interesting free agency
on account of that.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
All right, give me the teams one through three that
you think are going to be tough to be they're
going to be in for the sweep steaks here?
Speaker 10 (40:18):
Can I go more than that? Because I don't. I
haven't like I don't think there's an established favorite at
this point. I think coming into this season, the expectation
was Dodgers or bus I don't think that's the case anymore.
Like around the industry, the Dodgers certainly have interests in
o Tani and they're certainly going to be there, and
if they ended up with him in their uniform next year,
(40:40):
it wouldn't surprise me. But the Dodgers are going to
be there. I think the Boston Red Sox are going
to be there. I think the Chicago Cubs are going
to be there. I think the Texas Rangers are going
to be there. At San Francisco Giants, you know, a
team like Seattle is really interesting to me. What is
Seattle's appetite going to be to go for the years
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rather than that short term high dollar contract, And I
don't know if it's going to play out this way
necessarily him, but it would not surprise me at all
if a couple teams early on jump in with offers
for like four years at two hundred and forty million dollars,
you know, just saying, hey, we're not going to go
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long term with you, but we will give you, you know,
fifty percent more than any player has ever made. We
will make you a sixty million dollar a year player.
And at that point is Otani going to be intrigued
by that or is that simply going to embold in
him to take that sixty million dollar a year number
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and try and get it for eight or nine or
ten years as opposed to the four or five that
some teams might want to might want to offer.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
The Angels' odds did they move it all increase, decrease
with the injury that he had, I.
Speaker 10 (42:03):
Guess maybe increased slightly, because there's a chance that the
market just collapses, right, There's a chance that teams look
at this and say, you know, we thought he was
a sixty million dollar year player, but now there's just
too much uncertainty, and the Angels could swoop in. But
(42:25):
I gotta be honest, I'm not sure that the Angels
are willing to go out there and spend the money
to resign him.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 10 (42:32):
I don't know how heavy the interest is going to
be there.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Could they have traded him almost two months ago? I
know that we said that they should have.
Speaker 10 (42:40):
But yes, of course they should have. I mean, it
was I wrote this in my column on ESPN dot
com yesterday. It was giving out awards, and the biggest
blunder goes to the Los Angeles Angels for not doing
what was patently obvious to everybody not named Artie Moreno.
And when you have an impetuous owner who makes decisions
(43:05):
flying by the seat of his pants, and suddenly, like
five days before the trade deadline, when you have good
offers lined up for a guy who in all likelihood
is going to leave, but if you hold on to him,
all you're going to get out of it is like
the seventieth pick in the draft is compensation, and you say,
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you know what, we're fighting for a wild card spot,
And that sounds like a damn good idea. I mean,
it's malpracticed, Dan it is. And then I mean, of
course they're going to double down on it by going
out and getting Lucas Giolio and Ronaldo Lopez that day,
and then a month later they give those guys away
(43:50):
for free. I mean, it's just organizational incompetence that I
frankly don't blame the Baseball operations people for because they're
just doing what their owner asks. It's just extremely poor ownership,
simple as that.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Always great to talk to you, Jeff, Thank you for
joining us.
Speaker 4 (44:08):
Pleasure is always my dad.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
NICs buddy Jeff Passon mothership ESPN senior Baseball insider, get
a couple of phone calls here. You know, we brought
it up quite a few times ad nauseum, and because
I could see this unfolding you he was not going
to stay now, we didn't know he was going to
get hurt. But even then, you could have traded him. Now,
(44:30):
maybe the agent says, go ahead and trade him. He's
not signing with whoever you're going to trade him to,
So what's your return going to be? And that might
come out eventually that maybe they did explore a trade
and the owner or you know, the owner tried to
because all I would want to know is what's the number?
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And do you want to stay, and if you can't
give me an answer to both or at least one
of those, then I'm going to trade you. I have
to do that as a businessman, and this is a
business decision. And we talked about that quite a few times,
that the Angels were going to walk away with nothing
out of this. A couple of phone calls in here,
(45:13):
Uh Keith in New Orleans. Hi Keith, good morning. What's
on your mind today?
Speaker 11 (45:18):
Hey? Dan and Dane. I appreciate you taking my call.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
Are you being all spectacular?
Speaker 11 (45:23):
That's good? First time call a long time listener.
Speaker 9 (45:27):
Uh.
Speaker 11 (45:27):
Five eleven in the morning, five ten of a day
goes on two forty Okay, my I got two things
Dion did Dion open up Pandora's box? And what I
mean by that is if another coach, new coach comes
into another college with less fanfare, less hoopla and does
the same thing Dion did, will that be accepted? What
(45:48):
I mean by that is coming in getting rid of
forty five fifty players, bringing in other players. Did he
open up something that's going to be uncontrollable or would
it be a double standard?
Speaker 1 (45:58):
Well, the portal did that? And what Dion was saying is, look,
the coaching staff and the players are responsible for one
win last season. Well, why do I want to have
that coaching staff or anybody on that staff or those
players if they only won one game. I'm going to
bring in my players, my coaches and do it my way. Well,
(46:20):
you know, nil and the transfer portal allowed him to
do it, because you know in the older days that
you wouldn't transfer, but you had to sit out a year,
then you can't do that reclamation project, no mass transfers.
Dion was able to do it. Will other coaches do this?
Maybe not to this degree, but yeah, of course, I
(46:43):
mean coaches do this. They're just no, there's not any
attention attached to it the way it was with Dion,
and Dion putting it on social media that he's telling
these kids to their faces in a large conference room basically,
pack your bags. I don't need you anymore. Right, That's
what he.
Speaker 11 (47:02):
Did, is just the way he did it. The other
question is without Lane Kiffen, is the auditioned for the
job replacement when Nick Saban retires as wee cand.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Maybe maybe you know, if you're Alabama boosters, you know
you want to see keep an eye on Lane Kiffin
an offensive genius there, and you know, Dabbos Sweeney, maybe
a little bit of the luster is lost there with
what's happened at Clemson. But yeah, I think you could
(47:31):
look at Lane Kiffin. Would that be somebody that you
want to hit your wagon to. I think we're coming
up on the anniversary of him being fired by USC.
Has it been ten years? Does that sound right?
Speaker 2 (47:42):
Paul Tarmac Day, Yes, checking, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
How humbling is that? You get, you land, and you
come back from a loss, you land, and then all
of a sudden it's like, yeah, Lane, you're gonna have
to get your own ride home. You get kicked to
the curb at the tarmac, Like you don't even get
They didn't have Uber back then. Like what do you do?
(48:07):
You got to call your wife and go, uh hunt,
can you come and pick me up?
Speaker 7 (48:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (48:10):
What's wrong?
Speaker 11 (48:11):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (48:12):
Well, I'm not the coach anymore at USC? Yeah pulling.
Speaker 7 (48:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
Next week will be the ten year anniversary. They called
the FBO firing because he was in the little offices
there the private jets. Oh god, big loss to Arizona
State cost him his job. Yeah, and others.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
Yeah, and USC plays Arizona State.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Yeah, so Lane Kiffin. According to the La Times, he
was called off the team bus at three am as
they were preparing to head back to campus on the
group of buses and his small room inside the terminal.
Pat and the Ad was sitting there and told him
he was done. I don't know how he got home.
I think we asked him how he got home from
the airport. I think someone some stafford game a ride.
(48:55):
Oh my god checking.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
You imagine you're on the bus, get ready to go,
coach head count and all of a sudden, Pat Hayden
shows up and says, uh, Lane, yeah, yeah, yeah, man,
that's tough loss. Yeah, I really was. You know, we're
gonna get them going. We're gonna get yeah about that.
You're not going to be on the bus ride. I
(49:18):
have to I'm going to fire you. Has a coach
been fired in a more unceremonious fashion than that? Oh?
Speaker 2 (49:28):
Wasn't there one that was on TV?
Speaker 4 (49:30):
Was it?
Speaker 2 (49:31):
I don't know if it was herm Edwards? Was her
Edwards at Arizona State?
Speaker 1 (49:34):
Tool in the end zone, I think walking off the field.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
I'm the athletic director. I thought the cameras stayed on
the game called Network and they showed her Edwards.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Okay, would you rather get fired like that walking off
the field with the athletic director or you have to
get off the team bus in front of your team
and you're brought in and fired. Yes, yes, I'll take it.
Speaker 7 (49:56):
On the field. Gives me a little ecture time to
figure out how I'm getting home, Ubers. I gotta buy
an airline ticket.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
And grab my gear, all the all the free swag
before you leave the locker room.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (50:05):
See, there's just something about like, you know what, it's
so bad, like just please leave now. We can't even wait.
That's just brutal on the field, that is just brutal. Yeah,
on the field, on the tarmac, on the how about
a nice uh you know, Saturday afternoon loss. How about
a nice Monday morning firing. That's that's the timeline for me.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
All right, We'll take a break.
Speaker 4 (50:25):
More.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
Phone call, Yeah, Paul, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
It was Herm Edwards. The ad was talking to him
as he was leaving.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
There, and you could see he's told something where Herm's surprised,
and if you have it on camera, it's like, yeah,
HERM come over here, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know
how herm is. He's always fired yeah. Yeah yeah, we're
gonna fire you yeah yeah yeah. Okay, all right now,
let me get off the field here
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Twitter handle at DP show. I saw where nine first
year eligible players are among the one hundred and seventy
three nominees for the twenty twenty four class of the
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Pro Football Hall of Fame, the nine Julius Peppers, Antonio Gates,
Brandon Marshall, Jordi Nelson, Jamal Charles, t J Lang, Josh Sitton,
Max Unger, and Helod Nanda. They combined for twelve first
team All Pro selections, forty two Pro Bowls. And it's
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we go through this process every single year, and are
we going to get to the point that Deon Sanders
has talked about we have too many in the Hall
of Fame And is there way to differentiate distinguish between
those who get in first ballot and those who just
get into the Hall of Fame. I have no problem
treating those players who were special and having a special floor.
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You want to have a penthouse at the Pro Football
Hall of Fame in Kenton, Ohio. I think that would
be pretty cool. But all you're saying is if you
get in on the first ballot, we're going to put
you in a special place. Nothing wrong with that. You know,
everybody's a Hall of Famer, but not everybody's on the
same level of the Hall of Fame. And if you
want to do that in other sports, first ballot Hall
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of Famer, I have no problem with that. I like
celebrating more people going into the Hall of Fame. Dion
says it's too watered down, And I understand that from
his perspective because he wants to be in the penthouse
with the other first ballot Hall of famers. But these
are the latest nominees. So there's one hundred and seventy
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three nominees on the ballot for the Pro Football Hall
of Fame. But if I go through who's a Hall
of Famer, and really this should be the litmus test,
it's not. But if I say Julius Pepper's Hall of
Fame right away, yes, no, yes, yes, yeah, yeah, Paul.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Yeah, long career, a lot of ten SAX.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Seasons, Okay, got suspended for I think it was like
a fedro. Uh yeah, I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Throw what curveball here? While Julius Peppers is a Hall
of Famer, I think I'd rather have Halod Nada on
my team. I don't think Halodi Nada's run was near
as long as far as dominance. I thought Helod Nada
was a wrecker.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Okay. Is anybody a first ballot Hall of Famer? Oh
that's different too. If I say Antonio Gates, who was
also suspended. He's a Hall of Famer right, his numbers
as a tight end, now he gets lost in the
shuffle here with you Tony Gonzalez, you got Gronk, you
certainly have Travis Kelcey. Then you have the other tight ends.
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And Antonio Gates had incredible numbers. Never got to play
in that big game, but he always had incredible numbers.
Former basketball player, Yes, Mar, what.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Do you say about those guys like maybe Shannis Sharper,
Chris Carter that weren't first ballad But in your head
you're like, they weren't first ballid. That's surprising, almost like
a t O.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Also, well, I don't know if the vote liked Chris Carter.
I think his personality rubbed people the wrong way. It's
not supposed to factor in, certainly with the Pro Football
Hall of Fame. They're not supposed to factor in you
off the field, at least that's what I've been told.
But is Chris Carter first ballot Hall of Famer?
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Is Shannon Sharp first ballel Hall of Famer? Absolutely? But
I don't think anybody here is a first ballot Hall
of Famer. Julius Peppers, Antonio Gates, Brandon Marshall. Yeah, you
know Hall of Famers, but I don't, at least the
first two Antonio Gates and Julius Peppers hall of Famers.
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I'm glad I don't have to vote on this. I
struggle enough with the Heisman Trophy, like I really care
about it because I understand the significance of it. I
knew what it meant when I was growing up. I
don't know if it means as much to these players,
maybe as much as it's just a marketing thing for them,
chance to cash in, maybe do a Nissan Heisman commercial
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with Baker Mayfield. But when it comes to Hall of
Fame and you know, being able to get in, when
you get in, you know, is it a veterans committee?
But voting on this is really tough. And what happens
is you get guys who come in and basically will
stump for somebody, they'll campaign for somebody. They go in
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trying to sell you on why this person deserves to
go in. I don't know if you have people who
go in and say why somebody shouldn't be in, but
you do have people representing these athletes.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
You know.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Tom Brady famously wrote a letter for Jason Taylor. The
Dolphins talk about how great. I mean, if you got
Brady endorsing you, how can a voter go, well, I
don't know. It's that guy was chasing that guy, and
he wrote a letter about how great Jason Taylor was. Yeah, points, Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
There's a guy like Brandon Marshall who was a great
wide receiver but may have trouble getting the Hall of
Fame because his career went for a few places Denver, Miami,
Chicago Jets. But let's compare Marshall the wide receiver to
Calvin Johnson. Calvin Johnson had one season with one hundred
or more receptions. Brandon Marshall had six seasons with one
hundred more receptions. Calvin Johnson had one season with over
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ten touchdown catches. I'm sorry he had fox, Sorry he
had four. Brandon Marshall also had four seasons over ten.
But Brandon Marshall didn't do it for one team. It's
weird like Brandon Marshall might have a tougher time getting
the Hall of Fame than Calvin Johnson.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Oh yeah, Calvin Johnson first MALLA Hall of Famer Marshall.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I never felt that Calvin Johnson was.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
First MALLA Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
No, I thought his he had four great years and
then he quit.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I think he was always the man. Imagine if he
played for somebody other than the Lion for sure, right,
and then who were your quarterbacks? If you factor that in,
who did Brandon Marshall have throwing to him? And then
who did Calvin Johnson have throwing to him? I guess
you got to factor that in as well. But you know,
first the Hall of Famer, I don't have a problem
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if you want to, and I don't want to differentiate
like third floor, second floor, first floor, and then somebody's
in the basement of the Hall of Fame. I just
wanted one floor, first ballot, Hall of Fame. That'll be
the top floor.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Okay, like the Gold level, that's it.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
The Gold Club, Yes, oh, Gold Gold Club. Okay, let's go,
yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I go there for the buffet.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
Yees seton how much of the the Calvin Johnson or
Brandon Marshall thing is based on where you're drafted. One
one went second overall, the other one was a fourth
round draft pick. Immediately coming into the league, you're seeing
at different levels. So Calvin Johnson going into the league
was already like a super stud wide receiver because of
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just based on what he did in college and where
he was drafted.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Right, But sometimes you won't get the recognition because you're
supposed to be great, as opposed to, Oh my god,
have you seen this Cooper Cup guy, Like he got
so much attention because nobody knew who he was, as
opposed to this guy coming into the league. He's supposed
to be great, and I think sometimes that can work
against you, just like you know, Pauli's saying, Calvin Johnson
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only had four seasons that were great.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yeah, in my opinion, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
But he should have had more. He's Calvin Johnson, You
were a high draft pick, whereas Brandon Marshall had maybe
better numbers, more consistent numbers for a longer period of time,
and he was more of a surprise.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
You kind of feel like with Calvin Johnson though in
his career, it wasn't his fault that the Lions weren't
winning exactly, you know what I mean. It wasn't his fault. Yes,
it was everybody else's fault. Somebody else should have done
something more because he did what he was supposed to do.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
But is he the receiving version of Matthew Stafford. Oh yeah,
where I mean Matthew Stafford's going to be a Hall
of Fame room because he won the Super Bowl? Right, No,
but go.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Ahead, No, not Marvin saying he shouldn't. You're saying he is.
You're both right.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
I'm saying he's going to get in. I'm saying because
if he just had his career with Detroit, he to me,
he's not a Hall of Famer. I mean, he's just
a you know, East Coast version of Philip Rivers.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Yes, Mark, Matthew Stafford has I think one Pro Bowl,
not even like at all pro not even a season.
He doesn't have like a Matt Ryan type of season
where it's he was the MVPLL and he's got a
Super Bowl, He's got Brad Johnson.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Is he is accumulated, he's a compiler, and then he
won a Super Bowl. Okay, put Trent Dofring he got
a Pro Bowl too. Yeah, but his numbers aren't close
to Matthew Stafford. Yeah, Calvin Johnson, Yes.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
You can make the case that Detroit Lions had the
most physically talented running back, wide receiver and quarterback in
the last fifty years physically talented. No one questioned Matt
Stafford's ability to throw the ball. I mean big arm bit,
one of the biggest arms Calvin Johnson.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Not literally.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Yeah, No, I don't think it's that big thing. But
I think Barry Sanders of Calvin Johnson are like first
ballot ability.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Yes, I would agree with that.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Sorry lines fan.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
Yes, this is a very local reference, but I'm sure
a certain portion of our audience will really appreciate it.
This person, Matt wrote, the Hall of Fame is like
living in Laguna Beach. Some people live on the ocean.
Some people can see the ocean. Some people live in
a seventies house obstructed by someone else with more money,
But you all.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Live in Laguna.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
I get it. Thank you, Matt, I get it. Matt,
well done. That is the Hall of Fame. You're on
the beach, on the beach, or somebody is looking at
your house on the beach.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Yes, Dion is on the beach.
Speaker 6 (10:40):
But they can still walk to the beach when they
need to.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yes, somebody's got an obstructed view and they're in the
Hall of Fame. Yes, Ton. Isn't it possibly giving.
Speaker 7 (10:48):
The voters too much power?
Speaker 8 (10:49):
If we make separate wings or have the special wing
that these this group decides who should be in the Pentagon?
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Wouldn't you be interested if I said, I mean, how
many times do you go, Wow, I can't wait to
see what the results are of the Hall of Fame
where you go. For the most part, we know who's
going to go into the Hall of Fame. I mean
sometimes we're surprised. But to be a first ballot Hall
of Famer, now, all of a sudden, you get a
celebration on top of a celebration, and then you get
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the first ballot Hall of Famers who then welcome him
into the club.
Speaker 8 (11:22):
But is it the best interest of the Hall of
Fame and the NFL to have we want to create
this debate forever in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 7 (11:28):
It's like, how is this one not in the penthouse?
Or this one?
Speaker 9 (11:31):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (11:32):
There, but shouldn't be?
Speaker 10 (11:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (11:33):
Is that a good thing?
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yes? They want conversation, they want to bathe absolutely. If
you went to the Hall of Fame and I said
there is a gold club, are you going up to
see that? Are you going to make sure that you
go up and see that?
Speaker 7 (11:50):
If I'm already at the Hall of fame. It's a curiosity.
Speaker 8 (11:53):
But I think ultimately for me, I think you're either
make the Hall of Fame or you don't.
Speaker 7 (11:56):
I'm uncomfortable with wings or.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
National section, first bull Hall of Fame. That's it.
Speaker 8 (12:01):
You can put that on the plaque somewhere that you
were a first baut I don't know about like those
busts go to the top floor.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
I definitely want it. Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 6 (12:09):
Agree that the only there shouldn't be wings, there shouldn't
be anything. The only designation is you were either first
ballot or you got in. That's just it, That's all
you need. Yes, because first ballot is something special.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
I love it, Yes, Mart.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Can you imagine t O looking at Steve Largent like, wait,
he gets to go into the champagne room, he gets
to go into the club. I'm down here. I could
see the velvet rope. I was better than him, or
maybe as good. Can you imagine that type of you know.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Paying you didn't get in.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
The voter's fault.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
Don't blame Steve Largent, don't don't blame him. I like
the idea when like Hall of famers are like it's
getting a little crowded in here.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
If you know what I mean, going upstairs and they're
the only ones who can go up there, the other
Hall of Famers. So you have somebody there velvet ropes,
somebody tries to get in. You're like, uh uh I
think uh I think second you were second year that
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you go so sorry, Hey, I'm a Hall of Famer too.
Speaker 9 (13:12):
I know you.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Yeah, sure, I know you're. Yeah, but not on this floor.
Not You're a Hall of Famer down downstairs.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, yes, you make James Harrison the bouncer, he's just
stand there weight. You know what you get in when
you go to those real nice hotels and you got
to go in the elevator and swipe your car down
your room and you press four and then you swipe
your card and you hit pH and it won't let
you go to pH. You get those kind of cards.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yes, But within this.
Speaker 8 (13:35):
Gold Club we're talking about, is there a main stage
and then our periphery? How far do we break it
down or is it just that one penthouse level?
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Well there even is it? Then it's just keep it simple.
It's one floor of it, all right. I know you
don't like it, but it's a top floor. It's the
Gold Club it's first balance.
Speaker 7 (13:54):
You also had mentioned something about different colored jackets.
Speaker 8 (13:56):
I don't know if you were being facetious, So you'd
like to see different shades of gold.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Dan talked about that.
Speaker 7 (14:01):
Yeah, that's so, that's a little far.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
But once again, you stand out in the crowd and
then people go, oh, wow, who's that. He was a
first ballot Hall of Famer back in the sixties. Oh,
it is this conversation you want to create. You know this,
this is what you want. We just filled up ten minutes.
Speaker 7 (14:21):
Just wearing the red jacket. He's kind of made the
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
But that's that's not true. There's no red jacket.
Speaker 7 (14:26):
Ton if they went in that direction, everything, no what.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
And I just said what did I just say? Really simple?
First ballot, we're going to put you up on the
top floor. You can have a gold jacket, you know,
a more gold jacket.
Speaker 8 (14:42):
This little group of voters gets to decide the immortality
of the pentasse.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
They're deciding the immortality of the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 8 (14:50):
Yeah, but it's just. But if it's just you're either
a Hall of Famer or not, it's one thing. But
now you're deciding who gets their bust on the top floor.
Speaker 7 (14:56):
This group.
Speaker 8 (14:56):
Some of them may not like a certain player, or
they're old and they haven't been followed some of the years.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
That's what happens getting into the Hall of Fame. They're
doing it either way. Yes, they're deciding who gets a
bust and who doesn't.
Speaker 8 (15:06):
Yeah, but it really stands out more when you're now
designating a these are the real real Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Me just me, oh, I know that today. I don't know.
Even in the morning meeting.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
He had some takes today that we were like, okay,
what's going on to be controversary.
Speaker 8 (15:22):
I just that's my opinion. Is really the penthouse and
like you're on the one of the lower.
Speaker 6 (15:26):
D Aaron Rodgers can't have surgery like normal people does.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
He has as a super special surgery. You do like that?
You did say that.
Speaker 8 (15:31):
Yeah, he goes up on top of the mountain and
they put little pins and needles in him and no
one else knows about this special way to be able
to come back in six months from it.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Oh, what do you think he's so great?
Speaker 6 (15:41):
All of a sudden, he's the one that knows the
super secret, so greedy one doesn't everybody do it?
Speaker 2 (15:45):
He went to an actual doctor, not some guy at
a mountain. He was an actual end immunized.
Speaker 8 (15:50):
All of a sudden, He's back week twelve because he
had this special procedure done that no one ever heard of.
Speaker 7 (15:55):
Whatever might be back for the playoffs?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Right, Okay, but isn't that a good story? Isn't that
a good thing? I guess, I guess.
Speaker 11 (16:07):
Rogers.
Speaker 8 (16:08):
It seems like Aaron Rodge has something figured out that
the rest of the world of athletes don't good.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
I mean, if he did find something great and he
can come back, great show Heyo Tani having surgery. By
the way, it was the Dodgers surgeon who did the
surgery on show. Heytani, relationship already gonna be with the Dodgers.
It'd be like, hey, come on in, here's your team doctor.
He's going to be doing your surgery. Okay, we're just
(16:36):
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Speaker 6 (17:12):
The front half of October rounds.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Yeah, we're hoping to do that, all right. Let me
take a break. Let me see if Ryan Fitzpatrick what
he thinks of our idea with the Hall of Fame.
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Let's pull question. We're gonna go with first, don re seating.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
I think we're gonna go with two for the first hour, now, okay,
first one is should the Pro Football Hall of Fame
have a wing just.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
For first balloders? Okay, all right, all right?
Speaker 6 (18:16):
And then I think we're also going to go with
if you were an Amazon TV executive, would you allow
Ryan Fitzpatrick to shave his beard? Allow him to of
course it's his face, or absolutely not hashtag branding.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Okay, uh yeah, Paulie.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
I'll jump in on this. If I'm Ryan Fitzerpatrick's boss,
I would like at least a heads up if there's
any big shaving or changes in the beard hair, because
that's part of the money. May he's a very good analyst.
The beard is also very part of big part of it.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
But what if his wife says, all right, let's go,
we're done with this.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I'm paying the bills. I'm Joe Amazon.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Oh no, no, no, he might be paying the bills,
but somebody's running the house.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
Is there still fits magic though without Is it a
little bit like Samson and you cut the hair, you
cut the beard.
Speaker 7 (18:59):
Yeah, it's a little less fit. That's magical, I think.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
All right, let's ask him Ryan Fitzpatrick, who joined just
We have the Niners and the Giants coming up Thursday night,
Thursday Night Football and Ryan of course one of the
analysts there on the program. Prime Video starts at eight
point fifteen Eastern Thursday Night Football tonight. All right, is
it in your contract that you must keep your beard?
Speaker 4 (19:23):
So?
Speaker 12 (19:23):
I don't think it's written in the contract, although it
was mentioned to me that it was a very important
thing that I kept my beard, So I am not
shaving it. I also just funny anecdote was doing a
commercial and they were nervous I shaved my chest hair,
so they had yak hair in case I shaved my
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chest hair because that was going to be a big
part of the commercial.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
They put yak hair on your chest for the commercial.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
Yeah, let me see, I got it in here somewhere.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
It's in my trophy case.
Speaker 12 (20:00):
But just in case, they had it on set because
they were nervous that I was shaving my chest.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Okay, well, is it part of your identity? Though, do
you feel like that if you did shave, does that
take away something from you?
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (20:16):
I mean I could go I could be completely anonymous
if I shaved my beard. I don't think people would
recognize me. But you know, my kids are kind of
the driving force behind it.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Now.
Speaker 12 (20:26):
My daughters have no interest. They've seen me shave my
beard once or twice and have no interest ever seeing
that man again.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
All right, that's all we needed to know. Ryan. You know,
I have a great game tomorrow night. We were just
talking about the Hall of Fame. Dan has brought this
up before. Could you have a top floor that will
distinguish differentiate the first ballad Hall of Famers? So you
make it it's special for the Hall of Fame. Now
you get something that's even more special for guys who
(20:56):
were first ballot Hall of Famers. What do you think
of that idea.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
I think it's a great idea.
Speaker 12 (21:03):
You know, it's going to be interesting coming up here,
just the way that the stats have blown up in
the last fifteen years, especially with quarterback play. When Richard
Sherman and I love to have these debates all the
time of you know, is he a first ballot guy?
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Is he going to get in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 12 (21:21):
But if you strictly look at numbers of some of
these guys, you're looking at Matt Ryan's numbers. You're looking
at Matthew Stafford's numbers. Now, Russell Wilson the first one
to ever do what he did with the passing yards
and the rushing yards, and he's got a Super Bowl
under his belt. It's like, how many of these guys
that were looking at that, we're saying, well, gosh, I
guess I could see him getting in the Hall of Fame.
(21:44):
I think making a tear or a distinction is a
good idea.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Matthew Stafford hall of Famer.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
He's one of my.
Speaker 12 (21:54):
Favorite quarterbacks I've ever watched. But I just think there
were too many empty years in Detroit.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Okay, Matt Ryan.
Speaker 12 (22:05):
I think if he wins that Super Bowl, it becomes
very easy. But I mean, Matt Ryan statistically, I don't
have it in front of me, but I think he's
probably top five in yards yeah, in his career or
somewhere up there. So he had some pretty good years
in Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
I would say, yes, he's got sixty three thousand yards.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (22:29):
I mean, I'm telling you, some of these discussions are
going to happen with these quarterbacks coming up, it's going
to be very difficult. It's going to be difficult to
get in, but it's going to be difficult to say
no to a lot of these guys with their numbers.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Can Russell Wilson play himself out of the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Is he playing himself out of the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Yes? I think he is.
Speaker 12 (22:56):
That's going to be an interesting one this week too
at Miami or I don't know if they're they're playing
in Miami, But who's whose fault is that going to
be as that continues to go south? Is that Sean
Payton or is that wristband Russell? I think we're we're
all intrigued on that one.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
But I don't know what happened, Like, how does it
you go from being this, you know, Hall of Fame quarterback,
unbelievable career and then all of a sudden you fall
off you know the cliff here? What happened?
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Yeah? I mean I think.
Speaker 12 (23:32):
Sometimes you don't know how good you have it until
until it's gone. And that was a historic defense in Seattle.
That was a great situation that he was put in
look and he played really well, and you know it,
(23:52):
just as soon as this whole let Russ Cook thing happen,
and he wanted to go to another place because he
wants to have more control and show that he can
do it somewhere else. The grass is not always greener,
and I think this is a situation that definitely points
to that.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
I'm talking to Ryan Fitzpatrick. You can see him tomorrow night.
It'll be Amazon Prime Video. Andrew Whitworth, Tony Gonzalez. Let's
see who else, Yitch Oh, we good friend Christ Thompson
is going to be there. Richard Sherman's going to be
their pre halftime and postgame show coverage at seven Eastern,
the games at eight fifteen. I know you played in
(24:30):
the Ivy League. Buddy Tevens, the great Dartmouth head coach,
just passed away. It was quite the innovator. I don't
know if you know what your recollection was of a
buddy at Dartmouth.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Yeah, we lost a great man.
Speaker 12 (24:44):
I mean he did great things for Dartmouth, for the
IVY League and really for the game of football in general.
And he was best friends with my coach, Tim Murphy,
and so I got to know him over the years.
He ran the Peyton and Eli Manning Passing Academy, so
he meant a lot to the game of football and
(25:05):
even just health and safety of the player, some innovative
things that they did at Dartmouth. So I appreciate you
for bringing that up. And we certainly lost a great man.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Yeah, we had him on a couple of times. He
was a great interview and really an innovator ahead of
his time with college football at Dartmouth. I was wondering
about this strategy. Brian Dabele is saying Saquon Barkley could
be available tomorrow night, and I was wondering about that.
I don't know if it's gamesmanship, but it also puts
a little more pressure on Saquon Barkley that, you know
(25:36):
he's supposed to be out three weeks now, your coach
is saying, hey, you might be available tomorrow night. So
then what maybe it's you? Why aren't you playing? Because
your coach is saying this is Brian just saying, do
you expect Saquon Barkley to play tomorrow night?
Speaker 13 (25:52):
Well?
Speaker 5 (25:52):
As as an employee and analyst for Amazon, I.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Fully expect, of course, of course make sure, end of course.
Speaker 12 (26:01):
But you know, watching watching the end of that game,
and the way you know his expression is frustration, his face,
the way that the ankle got tweaked. There's no chance
he's playing in this game. It's it's gamesmanship, it's stable
just making sure that they have to still prepare a
little bit for Saquon if he plays. But I don't
(26:22):
think anybody believes that, And so that doesn't put a
whole lot of pressure on Saquon because I think it's
just the coach talking now. Once you apply a timetable
to him and you say, okay, this is a mild
ankle sprain three weeks. That as a player is tough
because there's now undue pressure on you to hurry up
and get back on the field. And as players, we're
(26:43):
trying to do the best we can to be out
there and be available.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Did you ever face somebody who was in that category
with Michael Parsons.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
He is unbelievable.
Speaker 12 (26:58):
I think there were some years, you know, JJ Watt,
there were some years where he was unblockable, Aaron Donald unblockable.
But Micah Parsons is quickly becoming the guy, the face
of the NFL. It's really scary, and I think dan
Quinn is so innovative in the way that he's gonna
(27:20):
be able to put him in different spots in Russia
because look a lot of an offense and what you do.
What can you do versus a great pass rusher, Well,
you could chip, But all of a sudden, we saw
last week they put Micah Parsons on the outside. They
run a game where he steps up and then runs
around and to the inside, so they know how teams
are going to try to block Micah. They're going to
move him around. It's hard to double them on every play.
(27:42):
But he's as good as it gets, and he is
a scary, scary player right now.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
I didn't understand the Jets philosophy here the game plan.
You have Zach Wilson on the road against Dallas, and
you run the ball eleven times, you have two good
running backs, why not just you know, Bill Parcells used
to say, the best way to go at a great
defender is to go at the defender. Don't let him
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try to catch up with the play. Because lt Micah Parsons,
they have an athleticism to do it. Why not just
run the football and take away a little bit of
the pressure off Zach Wilson.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (28:22):
Sometimes you know it's a head scratcher, but you know,
I'm sure that was the intent going into the game.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
That's what they wanted to do.
Speaker 12 (28:30):
As the score gets away from you a little bit,
you know, as you're trying to play this game of
catch up and figure out, as you're getting behind the chains, Okay,
what are we doing here?
Speaker 4 (28:41):
What are we doing here?
Speaker 12 (28:42):
It just gets difficult as a play caller. Did they
want Breeze Hall to touch the ball four times?
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Now?
Speaker 12 (28:48):
I mean, I think we saw the week before what
they want Breas Hall to be. They want a healthy
dose a Breeze, a healthy dose of Dalvin Cook takes
some pressure off of young Zach Wilson. But it's it's
difficult sometimes when you get into those games because you
go in with one plan and then all of a
sudden you look back after the game and think, gosh.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
You know, we really screwed up here. But a lot
of that is, you know.
Speaker 12 (29:10):
A play caller trying to look at that scoreboard and
make up points when you can't really put it all
on Zach Wilson.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
When you heard that the Niners were going to reach
out to Philip Rivers if they had made the Super
Bowl with the injuries to their quarterbacks? Now, did you
think that maybe you could volunteer? Did they call you
to see if you wanted if you could have been
able to play last year if they had gone to
the Super Bowl, did they contact you or did you
(29:41):
think about reaching out to them?
Speaker 12 (29:43):
No, they did not contact me, and I did not
think about reaching out. But you know, the Philip Rivers
thing is interesting with a quarterback, you know, with the receiver,
with the running back, you can't really just come off
the street after missing fifteen sixteen weeks of NFL season
(30:04):
then into the playoffs and play as a quarterback. That
might be the one position kicker? Do we count them?
I don't know that you could actually do it. I
don't know what kind of shape Philip was in, but
he's so sharp up here that that probably would have
been the best option.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
What if the Jets called you to be a backup
for Zach Wilson, No.
Speaker 12 (30:27):
Chance physically, you know, I had a hip injury at
the end of my career. I don't know where i'd
be with that, But I love what I'm doing right now.
With Amazon. I love my family life. You know, I
gave seventeen years of my life fully committed to the
game of football, and with that became a lot of
(30:48):
sacrifices away from my family. And so I'm perfectly content
at what I'm doing right now and absolutely loving being
involved with Amazon and getting to do the Thursday night gig.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
So I'm I'm happy where I am. So no chance, what's.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
The coolest thing in your office there?
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Well, I'd say the chest hair, but one of the
kids must have grabbed it.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Maybe they're wearing it to school.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
You know, I've got you.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
I've got a lot of cool stuff. Let me grab
one real fast hold on.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Okay, talking to Ryan Fitzpatrick, this was my Thursday night game.
Speaker 12 (31:28):
This was my childhood helmet that I used to wear
throwing the ball in the front yard, and it just
so happened that in two thousand and five with the
two hundred and fiftieth pick. This was also the first
NFL team I ever played for, So that one is
pretty neat for me.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
It looks like something out of there that the Brady
bunch may have worn, the Rams helmet that they wore.
Speaker 12 (31:50):
Yeah, it actually it doesn't fit anymore either.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
I don't want to mess up my hair.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Yeah, your hair looks good. Hair looks good.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
Thank you, Well it's my TV hair.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Yeah, no, no, no, you did great job there. We'll
be watching tomorrow night. Always great to talk to you.
Thank you for your opinions, and have a great day.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
All right, thank you. We'll see it.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
That's Ryan Fitzpatrick. You can see him tomorrow night. Seven
Eastern is when they start Thursday Night Football. Tonight kick
off at Prime Video at eight fifteen Eastern.
Speaker 6 (32:21):
Just in case you want an update real quick on
the poll question, Yes, if you were an Amazon TV executive,
would you allow Ryan Fitzpatrick to shave his beard right now?
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
Hashtag Branding is in the lead with fifty two percent
of the vote. Of course, it's his face, just forty
eight percent. It's a close one.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I like how you said, I don't think it's in
the contract.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Yeah, but it was made mention that my beard is
very up. We can imagine you sit down with this
executive he spent seventeen years in the NFL and they're like, okay,
you know that's great. You got a lot of knowledge.
Keep the beard. Yeah, Pauline.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
I saw a thing once about the movie Old School,
and you know the actor Vince Bond, he was supposed
to cut his hair. He cut his hair, and all
of a sudden, the director goes, we have reshoots on Monday,
and he cut his hair short, Like what are you do?
So they had some reshoots and they're like and they
put a hat on. So there's a couple of scenes
where Vince Bond. I guess you're supposed to get approval
on movie Sense.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
You can see the beard, you can see the hair
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Jeff Passon of the Mothership ESPN senior Baseball insider joints
Us on the program, explain to me the procedure not
surgery that show Hoo Tani had.
Speaker 10 (34:54):
Yeah, it was surgery, and they tried to talk around it,
essentially to not use the words Tommy John.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
What it was.
Speaker 10 (35:06):
Reading between the lines here was a revision, reconstruction with
an internal brace. What that means is Tommy John surgery
has evolved through the years, right it used to be
then the original procedure, Doctor Frank job went into Tommy
John's elbow and drilled holes and essentially looped a new
(35:27):
ucl through those holes using a tendon that was taken
from his wrist. From what Neil E. Latrosh, the doctor
who did the surgery said in the statement, he talked
about it being a repair and a reinforcement, which suggests
that they didn't go in with a brand new tendon
and loop it through that they reinforced the old one
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that was there and added an internal brace, which is
something that doctor Keith meister A noted Tommy John expert
has been doing the last few years, and that Neil
Latrosha has picked up on as well, and that has
found a ton of success in keeping guys healthy essentially, though, yes,
this was Tommy John surgery and Shojo. Tommy's not going
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to pitch next year, and the chances of him coming
back and pitching in the future frankly are pretty good.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Okay, what's to do for his leverage here in the
off season?
Speaker 10 (36:23):
Not a whole lot because he's still hurt, right, Like,
that's the problem with this. I was so genuinely wanting
to see him go into this winter healthy just to
see how high his contract was going to go. I
think if he was fully healthy going in, it was
going to be six hundred and fifty million dollars. So
(36:43):
I think that this ucl tear, that this procedure is
going to cost him one hundred and fifty million probably,
But I really don't foresee many scenarios where it gets
too far under five hundred, Like maybe maybe teams are hesitant.
But let's look at it this way, Dan, you have
a baseline in place already with Aaron Judge to whom
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show Hayo Tani is a very comparable back right, you
have nine years and three hundred and sixty million dollars
that is a recent comparable. You also have the fact
that shoe Hayo Tani is the biggest star in the
sport and international superstar that your franchise value just by
having him around is going to jump. You're going to
sell tickets, you're going to sell merchandise, you're going to
(37:29):
sell concessions, you're going to sell everything. And then, oh,
by the way, you've got the pitching element too. And
while you may not necessarily want to go out and
guarantee that type of money. Jamison Tayan is a two
time Tommy John guy who went out and got sixty
eight million dollars from the Cubs this past offseason, and
Sho Heo Tani is a lot better than Jameson Taion
(37:50):
has ever been before. So I think the argument in
his favor to go and get that five hundred million
really is valid. It's just a question of which organization
and specifically which owner is going to be willing to
take that lead, because all the other ones then are
going to want to say.
Speaker 13 (38:09):
You know what, yeah, we'll look at you being a pitcher,
but you're going to have to earn that this is
going to be incentive based, and frankly, I don't think
he's going to want it to be, and I don't
think he should have it need to be.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Should I read into the fact that it was the
Dodgers surgeon who did the surgery on show Hao Tony.
Speaker 10 (38:29):
Now, Neil la Trosh is just excellent to his job.
He's the guy you Him and Master are the guys
you go to, and you know, Jeff Dugas and Birmingham
like the David Altchek, like, there are certain surgeons, but
when you are on the West coast and you live
in La you go to Neil Ela Trosh.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Simple as that.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
When do negotiations start for show Hao Tony the.
Speaker 10 (38:50):
Day after the World Series ends? And you know what,
I'm sure there's back channeling going on right now that
is against rules and regulations. But even with this surgery, Dan,
He's still going to be the you know, the the
hottest free agent that we've seen since Alex Rodriguez the
(39:15):
first time when he signed with Texas. Like, I can't
think of another player who's gone out there and reached
free agency. I mean Bryce Harper, but that free agency
sort of collapsed on itself, and that that to me,
is going to be the defining question here. Are teams
going to use the UCL issue as an excuse to
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avoid going after a transcendent player or are they not
going to get in their own way and say, this
is a once in a lifetime literally Dan, a once
in a lifetime guy, and we have the opportunity to
get him purely for money. We don't have to give
up players, we don't have to give up prospects. All
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the this is going to take his money, and I
think the smart owners out there will approach it that way,
and we're going to see a pretty interesting free agency
on account of that.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
All right, give me the teams one through three that
you think are going to be tough to be they're
going to be in for the sweep steaks here?
Speaker 10 (40:18):
Can I go more than that? Because I don't. I
haven't like I don't think there's an established favorite at
this point. I think coming into this season, the expectation
was Dodgers or bus I don't think that's the case anymore.
Like around the industry, the Dodgers certainly have interests in
o Tani and they're certainly going to be there, and
if they ended up with him in their uniform next year,
(40:40):
it wouldn't surprise me. But the Dodgers are going to
be there. I think the Boston Red Sox are going
to be there. I think the Chicago Cubs are going
to be there. I think the Texas Rangers are going
to be there. At San Francisco Giants, you know, a
team like Seattle is really interesting to me. What is
Seattle's appetite going to be to go for the years
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rather than that short term high dollar contract, And I
don't know if it's going to play out this way
necessarily him, but it would not surprise me at all
if a couple teams early on jump in with offers
for like four years at two hundred and forty million dollars,
you know, just saying, hey, we're not going to go
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long term with you, but we will give you, you know,
fifty percent more than any player has ever made. We
will make you a sixty million dollar a year player.
And at that point is Otani going to be intrigued
by that or is that simply going to embold in
him to take that sixty million dollar a year number
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and try and get it for eight or nine or
ten years as opposed to the four or five that
some teams might want to might want to offer.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
The Angels' odds did they move it all increase, decrease
with the injury that he had, I.
Speaker 10 (42:03):
Guess maybe increased slightly, because there's a chance that the
market just collapses, right, There's a chance that teams look
at this and say, you know, we thought he was
a sixty million dollar year player, but now there's just
too much uncertainty, and the Angels could swoop in. But
(42:25):
I gotta be honest, I'm not sure that the Angels
are willing to go out there and spend the money
to resign him.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 10 (42:32):
I don't know how heavy the interest is going to
be there.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Could they have traded him almost two months ago? I
know that we said that they should have.
Speaker 10 (42:40):
But yes, of course they should have. I mean, it
was I wrote this in my column on ESPN dot
com yesterday. It was giving out awards, and the biggest
blunder goes to the Los Angeles Angels for not doing
what was patently obvious to everybody not named Artie Moreno.
And when you have an impetuous owner who makes decisions
(43:05):
flying by the seat of his pants, and suddenly, like
five days before the trade deadline, when you have good
offers lined up for a guy who in all likelihood
is going to leave, but if you hold on to him,
all you're going to get out of it is like
the seventieth pick in the draft is compensation, and you say,
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you know what, we're fighting for a wild card spot,
And that sounds like a damn good idea. I mean,
it's malpracticed, Dan it is. And then I mean, of
course they're going to double down on it by going
out and getting Lucas Giolio and Ronaldo Lopez that day,
and then a month later they give those guys away
(43:50):
for free. I mean, it's just organizational incompetence that I
frankly don't blame the Baseball operations people for because they're
just doing what their owner asks. It's just extremely poor ownership,
simple as that.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Always great to talk to you, Jeff, Thank you for
joining us.
Speaker 4 (44:08):
Pleasure is always my dad.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
NICs buddy Jeff Passon mothership ESPN senior Baseball insider, get
a couple of phone calls here. You know, we brought
it up quite a few times ad nauseum, and because
I could see this unfolding you he was not going
to stay now, we didn't know he was going to
get hurt. But even then, you could have traded him. Now,
(44:30):
maybe the agent says, go ahead and trade him. He's
not signing with whoever you're going to trade him to,
So what's your return going to be? And that might
come out eventually that maybe they did explore a trade
and the owner or you know, the owner tried to
because all I would want to know is what's the number?
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And do you want to stay, and if you can't
give me an answer to both or at least one
of those, then I'm going to trade you. I have
to do that as a businessman, and this is a
business decision. And we talked about that quite a few times,
that the Angels were going to walk away with nothing
out of this. A couple of phone calls in here,
(45:13):
Uh Keith in New Orleans. Hi Keith, good morning. What's
on your mind today?
Speaker 11 (45:18):
Hey? Dan and Dane. I appreciate you taking my call.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
Are you being all spectacular?
Speaker 11 (45:23):
That's good? First time call a long time listener.
Speaker 9 (45:27):
Uh.
Speaker 11 (45:27):
Five eleven in the morning, five ten of a day
goes on two forty Okay, my I got two things
Dion did Dion open up Pandora's box? And what I
mean by that is if another coach, new coach comes
into another college with less fanfare, less hoopla and does
the same thing Dion did, will that be accepted? What
(45:48):
I mean by that is coming in getting rid of
forty five fifty players, bringing in other players. Did he
open up something that's going to be uncontrollable or would
it be a double standard?
Speaker 1 (45:58):
Well, the portal did that? And what Dion was saying is, look,
the coaching staff and the players are responsible for one
win last season. Well, why do I want to have
that coaching staff or anybody on that staff or those
players if they only won one game. I'm going to
bring in my players, my coaches and do it my way. Well,
(46:20):
you know, nil and the transfer portal allowed him to
do it, because you know in the older days that
you wouldn't transfer, but you had to sit out a year,
then you can't do that reclamation project, no mass transfers.
Dion was able to do it. Will other coaches do this?
Maybe not to this degree, but yeah, of course, I
(46:43):
mean coaches do this. They're just no, there's not any
attention attached to it the way it was with Dion,
and Dion putting it on social media that he's telling
these kids to their faces in a large conference room basically,
pack your bags. I don't need you anymore. Right, That's
what he.
Speaker 11 (47:02):
Did, is just the way he did it. The other
question is without Lane Kiffen, is the auditioned for the
job replacement when Nick Saban retires as wee cand.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Maybe maybe you know, if you're Alabama boosters, you know
you want to see keep an eye on Lane Kiffin
an offensive genius there, and you know, Dabbos Sweeney, maybe
a little bit of the luster is lost there with
what's happened at Clemson. But yeah, I think you could
(47:31):
look at Lane Kiffin. Would that be somebody that you
want to hit your wagon to. I think we're coming
up on the anniversary of him being fired by USC.
Has it been ten years? Does that sound right?
Speaker 2 (47:42):
Paul Tarmac Day, Yes, checking, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
How humbling is that? You get, you land, and you
come back from a loss, you land, and then all
of a sudden it's like, yeah, Lane, you're gonna have
to get your own ride home. You get kicked to
the curb at the tarmac, Like you don't even get
They didn't have Uber back then. Like what do you do?
(48:07):
You got to call your wife and go, uh hunt,
can you come and pick me up?
Speaker 7 (48:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (48:10):
What's wrong?
Speaker 11 (48:11):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (48:12):
Well, I'm not the coach anymore at USC? Yeah pulling.
Speaker 7 (48:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
Next week will be the ten year anniversary. They called
the FBO firing because he was in the little offices
there the private jets. Oh god, big loss to Arizona
State cost him his job. Yeah, and others.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
Yeah, and USC plays Arizona State.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Yeah, so Lane Kiffin. According to the La Times, he
was called off the team bus at three am as
they were preparing to head back to campus on the
group of buses and his small room inside the terminal.
Pat and the Ad was sitting there and told him
he was done. I don't know how he got home.
I think we asked him how he got home from
the airport. I think someone some stafford game a ride.
(48:55):
Oh my god checking.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
You imagine you're on the bus, get ready to go,
coach head count and all of a sudden, Pat Hayden
shows up and says, uh, Lane, yeah, yeah, yeah, man,
that's tough loss. Yeah, I really was. You know, we're
gonna get them going. We're gonna get yeah about that.
You're not going to be on the bus ride. I
(49:18):
have to I'm going to fire you. Has a coach
been fired in a more unceremonious fashion than that? Oh?
Speaker 2 (49:28):
Wasn't there one that was on TV?
Speaker 4 (49:30):
Was it?
Speaker 2 (49:31):
I don't know if it was herm Edwards? Was her
Edwards at Arizona State?
Speaker 1 (49:34):
Tool in the end zone, I think walking off the field.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
I'm the athletic director. I thought the cameras stayed on
the game called Network and they showed her Edwards.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Okay, would you rather get fired like that walking off
the field with the athletic director or you have to
get off the team bus in front of your team
and you're brought in and fired. Yes, yes, I'll take it.
Speaker 7 (49:56):
On the field. Gives me a little ecture time to
figure out how I'm getting home, Ubers. I gotta buy
an airline ticket.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
And grab my gear, all the all the free swag
before you leave the locker room.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (50:05):
See, there's just something about like, you know what, it's
so bad, like just please leave now. We can't even wait.
That's just brutal on the field, that is just brutal. Yeah,
on the field, on the tarmac, on the how about
a nice uh you know, Saturday afternoon loss. How about
a nice Monday morning firing. That's that's the timeline for me.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
All right, We'll take a break.
Speaker 4 (50:25):
More.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
Phone call, Yeah, Paul, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
It was Herm Edwards. The ad was talking to him
as he was leaving.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
There, and you could see he's told something where Herm's surprised,
and if you have it on camera, it's like, yeah,
HERM come over here, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know
how herm is. He's always fired yeah. Yeah yeah, we're
gonna fire you yeah yeah yeah. Okay, all right now,
let me get off the field here
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