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On today's Dan Patrick Show, DP Talks to ESPN's Herm Edwards about the difference between coaching in college and the NFL. College Football Insider Andy Staples explains Alabama's struggles this season. NBC Sports Chicago Insider Josh Schrock discusses what happened with Justin Fields and the Bears yesterday. Plus, Former NFL DL Chris Long tells us his best Tom Brady story. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio. Pole question before we get to our good buddy,
Herman Edwards.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
More to blame for the bears struggles? The quarterback, the coaches,
the organization itself.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Wow, that's a long term and a short term answer
in there. Herm Edwards, former head coach college in the NFL.
He appears on the new football theme show Monday Blitch
at three Eastern on the Mothership, as well as Sports
Center and ESPN Radio as well. Good morning, Herm. Let
me start there. Who's to blame for this mess in Chicago?

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (00:37):
Boy, you can kind of spread it around. I think
when you look at this football team play, you know
they're still in the mode of trying to rebuild. Obviously
their offensive line. Defensively, they've struggled the last couple of years.
Have a quarterback that's unique and in the sense that

(00:58):
you know, he's basically I hate to say this pro
football now that we have RBO quarterbacks and what you
do with them, the style of offense you run with
them is very important. I think he made light of
it in his press conference. I think he walks some
things back, but basically, you know, this is what happens
in pro football. A lot coaches come in with systems

(01:18):
and their system is bigger than the player. Well, if
you want to be a successful coach, you have to
massage your system around the player skill set.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Yeah, but it feels like we've seen coaches adapt to
that that they know I'm not going to ask you
to be different. If I'm coaching Cam Newton, I got
to let Cam Newton be Cam Newton or Michael Vick
or Patrick Mahomes. And this situation's interesting because usually that
third year, you see the quarterback start to make that
you know, progression, like all of a sudden, you go, Okay,

(01:47):
you're going to make that jump or you're not going
to make that jump. But I'm wondering, how would you
coach how would you coach justin fields?

Speaker 4 (01:57):
Well, obviously, I'm going to allow him to use his legs.
That's going to be part of the passing game. You know,
they they tried to do it a little bit last year,
and I think what they were worried about he ran
so much. You know, he ran for over eleven hundred yards.
I mean it's a quarterback. I mean that's you know,

(02:17):
those are numbers like you scratch your head at I
think our vision of him would be similar to Jalen Hursts.
What he's been able to do as a quarterback. You know,
still has the ability to run, it, can throw the ball.
He's more comfortable in the pocket now. And that's the
case when you watch justin Fields. I mean last week
you're watching it's almost like a statue in the pocket,

(02:41):
decision making when to get the ball out. You know
he struggles with that. Sometimes quarterbacks are timing their rhythm.
You got to get them going early in the game.
And those are the things that I think going into
this week you'll see from Chicago Bears.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
But now you've got Kansas City. Oh boy, you know
you can't beat Green Bay, you can't beat Tampa Bay.
And now all of a sudden, you got the Chiefs
who are fully assembled with Chris Jones and Travis Kelcey.
And is he is he just going to go all right,
I'm going back to the way I did last year.
I'm just going to run and try to create something
here and not stay in the pocket.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
I think you'll see more of that this week. He'll
he'll leave obviously when he feels that he can move
the chains. And I think for quarterbacks like this and
you know this, Dan, you watched football a long time
as well. You got to get him started, you know,
early in this game. They've got to see some completions
to get them confident that that's any quarterback. And I
think how you design that is very important. His mechanisms.

(03:39):
You know, generally you dial up a play and there's
always a check down. His check down is his legs. Okay,
it was not open, you know what, take off man,
go ahead, and you know that's that's what we did
with Jaydeen Daniels his freshman year when when he played
for US at Arizona State. You know, it was like
the checkdown is your legs man, you know, if you're
not there.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
Go ahead and go.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Well, you can do that in college. I think justin
fields is trying to out athlete defenses and you can't
do that in college. You can do that at Ohio
State and you can do that. You can't do that.
It's not sustainable there. And I think that's what would
concern me if I'm on the Bears. You passed up
on you know, Bryce Young, you know you traded that

(04:22):
number one pick. Here's your guy. And at some point
you're going to have to extend him or you have
to move on from him.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
This will be a big year for them, you know,
this season, how he finishes and if he continues to develop,
they'll be fine. If not, that's the question they're gonna
have to ask yourself.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
I was wondering if you're Caleb Williams, you know, and
you're going I could go to the Bears, or I
could go to the Cardinals.

Speaker 4 (04:49):
Yeah, and you know, and and and these quarterbacks, you
have to realize you get picked number one, you're probably
going to go to a team you know that that
didn't win a lot of games. And that's you can
dodge it and say, well, almost stay another year. A
lot of these guys can. Because of the money they
can get for the name, image and likeness, they stay
in college longer. That that's maybe the good thing about
college football. Guys can stay in a little longer if

(05:11):
they if they choose to write.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Or he could pull an Eli Manning and just say, look,
I don't want to go I don't want to go
to your organization.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
That'd be interesting.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Talking to HERM Edwards, the former player coach college and
the NFL how do you explain what Dion has done
and can it be replicated around the country.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
There's only one Dion Sanders, There's no doubt about that.
Dean's a good friend. I'm enjoying it like everyone else.
He's He's brought national attention to his program, along with
a team that is very exciting. Right, He's got some
really good players. It's a shame about the kid Hunter.
I thought, you know, the way he was playing. If

(05:55):
he continued at this pace, he's got to be talked
about as a Heisman. Guy who does that, who plays
one hundred and sixty plays in a football game, I mean,
that's I can see anything like that. I mean, he's
a phenomenal athlete. But he's brought national attention Dion. No
matter if you're a colorad of Buffalo fan or now,

(06:16):
you want to see these guys play. I mean, it's
it's funny. And his son is a tremendous player now,
I mean, boy, he can play quarterback now, and so
it's it's something that's unique. I don't think you can
replicate it because there's only one Dion Sanders. Now, what
you can replicate is this, he understands the portal. He
understands this free agency in college football. Now, how you

(06:38):
build your team, you're gonna have to kind of go
outside the walls. You know, there's free agency, you have
the ability to bring players in.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
Could you see Dion coaching in the NFL one day?

Speaker 4 (06:49):
That would be interesting. I think his aspirations might be
to do that later on. It would It would be
very interesting.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
So what's the biggest difference with that?

Speaker 4 (07:02):
HERM, Well, you know his persona, how he's going about
getting these young guys excited. And you know all the
Rob Robinson college football, pro football, and Dion knows this.
He was a great player, All of Famer. Maybe he's
the best corner I ever played a game, in my opinion.
How you handle that with NFL players, You know, you're

(07:23):
gonna have an old group of guys. You're gonna have
some young group of guys that can buy into what
he's doing. The old guys who just say, look, man,
I don't want to hear all that, right. So, but
I think he's smart enough to know if he gets
to that level, he'll handle it. He'll be able to
handle it.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
And I didn't think this would be their year. I
thought it would be next year, and now they go
to Oregon. They got USC, right, How sustainable do you
think this is for Dion?

Speaker 4 (07:48):
Well? I think this. I think Oregon will be a
really be a really good game for them to see
where they're at.

Speaker 5 (07:56):
SC.

Speaker 4 (07:58):
I believe this. I don't see SC's defense. I don't
know if it's improved that much. So you can score
and it could be a scoring game against SC, right,
I mean that's that's how you look at it and
se it makes no bones. I mean with that quarterback,
you could score as many as you want, right, and
that offense they boys, it's fun to watch too. I

(08:20):
mean you won't be able to sit down. I mean
if you go, like go get a snack, you might
somebody might score a touchdown time you leave and come back. Right,
But this will be an interesting two weeks for him.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Where do you put Micah Parsons now as great defenders?
Oh boy? Not just in the game now. But is
he starting to slip into a different category?

Speaker 4 (08:42):
That's the talk. I won't say he is, as I
won't say he has taken the throne away from fifty
six they played for the Giants, You know that is
I was just with him about a month ago.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
But you saw LT, a young LT or.

Speaker 4 (08:56):
He was my era.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Yeah, we played against each other and how would you
describe that?

Speaker 4 (09:04):
Oh he wrecked the game, but he physically correct the
game too. That's the difference I see LT was and
it's because he's bigger. He was a big man that
could run and could just you know, allude. But but
he was physical. I mean, he could physically dominate you.
It was a scary physicalness with LT. And so Michael

(09:27):
Parsons is unbelievable though.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
I mean his ability.

Speaker 6 (09:31):
Sixty percent of the time, sixty percent of the time
he beats one on one. The average in the National
Football League is seventeen percent. He's winning at a sixty
percent rate.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
That's unheard of. I mean the whole league is at seventeen.
He's at sixty. I don't know, I figure out how
we're number Eleven's that I'd send.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Two guys at and for sure, well remember Joe Gibbs
did that with LT. That's sure that you brought the
he kept the tight end and you know, you know
I had Joe Jacobi there because yeah, if not, then
you know you got trouble in the backfield.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
No no doubt.

Speaker 4 (10:08):
But the problem now in football, and you know it,
college has really taken over in the NFL too. You
don't see two tight ends hardly anymore. Yeah, you know,
you don't see two running backs. I mean you see
three wide receivers, four wire receivers, one tight end, three
wide receivers, one back them. That's what you see. They
spread you out because if not, the receivers are getting mad. Right,
you got to deal with these receivers that want the

(10:28):
ball every other play. They're seven eleven, They're always open.
That's what they tell you on the sideline. I'm open, man, Okay,
we'll get you the ball. We get it right.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
I was talking about Dan Marino yesterday. I think at
the end of the end of your career, you faced Marine.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
I played against it.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
Yes, I.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Keep saying he if I could play the position, I
would want to play the way he played the position
because he just he was ahead of his time. What
he did?

Speaker 3 (10:55):
You know?

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Five wide empty backfield and let's you know, that's what
you have in college high school.

Speaker 7 (11:02):
Now.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Some of the NFL teams look mark.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
Uh duper Clayton not more. They had them all right,
had you cover them? I was trying to cover those guys. Oh,
he's unbelievable at quarterback, maybe one of the he's in
the top three quarterbacks have ever played in my opinion.
Way he got the ball out, his accuracy, his arm, talent.

(11:29):
I mean, it was just I remember when he came
in the league. I said, who is it? You know,
Washington College, and all of a sudden you're playing against
then all of a sudden, you got Duper, you got Clayton,
you got that Moore. I mean it's like, oh boy, here,
who are these guys? Right, we had to play them,
and we had a great defense in Philadelphia. But they
gave us, they gave they made us work. Jimmy Ceffalo
was in the slot too. Don't get up.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah, Penn State, Jimmy Cehalo. Yeah, they had a good crew.
How you doing.

Speaker 4 (11:57):
I'm good.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
I'm good.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
Traveling on the weekends, leaving going back to the mothership
as you mentioned, and there on Sundays, Mondays, and you
know a little bit Tuesday and to come home.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
So but I'm good.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
My girls are growing up. I got one that's a
senior now looking at colleges. She's a journalist major, so
she's in a couple of spots.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
You know, tell her to tell her to get into
another field than that.

Speaker 4 (12:21):
You know, it's too late, it's too late.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
I was watching the video of when you walked off
the field when you were told that you got fired,
Like we're talking about those like Lane Kiffin getting fired
on the tarmac there. Uh, I mean, what goes through
your mind and somebody is filming this when you're walking
on But you know what idea that was happening?

Speaker 3 (12:44):
No, no, and that was more.

Speaker 4 (12:46):
That wasn't that. That's not that statement people said that.
You know he talked about I got fired.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Now, Okay, No, that wasn't it at all.

Speaker 4 (12:55):
We we always meet there, we always talk adn and
the president and.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
No that it wasn't.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
That didn't happen like people make it to be.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Well, so you can tell your daughter how the media
takes stories and then they.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
Well I was a part of the media.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
But imagine if you're Lane Kiffin where they don't let
you get on the bus coach and after a loss.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
Yeah, and I'm happy for Lane. You know, Lane was
with us in Tampa when he was a young kid.
He was the ball boy when we were down in Tampa.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
Bay.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
Money was Money was his father. Money was the coordinator.
I was the assistant head coach. Loved he was a
linebacker coach. Rod Marinelli was the d line coach. We
had a crew of really good coaches. And then when
I left to go to New York, Tomlin took my spot.
So Lane was on the sideline as a young kid
growing up. I remember Lane when he was, you know,
in high school.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
So did you think at any point that guy would
be a head coach?

Speaker 4 (13:50):
You know, you wondered, because because when you just watching
them grow up. You know, Nathaniel Hackett, Nathaniel Hackett was
the ball boy up in New York with me, uh,
with Paul, you know Paul, I mean, Paul was he
was listen to this. That's how far we go back.
I mean when I went to Cal as a freshman,
Paul Hackett was.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
The GA grad assistant.

Speaker 4 (14:13):
Yes, at Cal Berkeley. That's how far I go back
with Paul. And then when I wanted to run the
West Coast offense in New York, I hire Paul, you know,
because he was with washing all those guys, and run
my offense with Chad Bennyton right and Nathaniel and my
son were playing. It was like the ball boys. Boy,
you stay in this league long enough, you see it,

(14:34):
you know.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
And John Gruden was a ball boy at Notre Dame.

Speaker 4 (14:38):
Yeah, yeah, unbelievable. How it works.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Good to talk to you. I guess that's the thing is,
you got to start out as a ball boy. That's
how you become a head coach in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (14:48):
Hey, and you know of his dad just kind of
hang around and all of a sudden, you know, things happen,
you know.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
And good, good, Good to talk to you. Thank you, buddy,
always my friend.

Speaker 4 (14:58):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
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(15:23):
the Peacock app. I saw this note third in short,
Carolina Panthers can't use their quarterback sneak because Bryce Young
is too small. He's five ten two four. Andy Dalton
came in on those plays, so isn't that interesting. He's
too small to do what Jalen Hurts does with the

(15:46):
Philadelphia Eagles.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
Does that.

Speaker 8 (15:49):
Kind of makes sense because they're pushing a guy and
they're crunching them up, and he's slight in comparison to
like Jalen Hurtz or Fields.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah, but I just figured it was everybody's move in
the pile. I feel like I could get two yards
behind the Eagles offensive line. Andy, Andy, because you're tall
and you're bigger, you get to go in for a
couple of plays. First time he goes in, I think
they had a false start. All right, let me bring
in Andy Staples covers college football for the website on

(16:20):
three Sports. We've been talking about Justin Fields. Take me
back to his last year at Ohio State. Was there
any real question about him being a pocket passer at
the next level.

Speaker 7 (16:33):
There were always those questions because the late Dwayne Haskins
had had some of the same issues coming out of
a similar offense, and it was but you saw Justin
it was more about reading the defense and about what
he was asked to do in that offense. And I
think that's been sort of a complaint about Ohio State.
Quarterbacks under Ryan Day. Joe Burrow was there but then

(16:58):
left to go to LSU was running a different offense
at LSU. I think that's that's gonna be the question
until one of them kind of breaks out and becomes
a success in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Is are they not asked to do the things that
they need to do?

Speaker 7 (17:12):
And the other just obvious thing with Ohio State quarterbacks,
their receivers are so much better than everyone else. There's
a different kind of open at Ohio State than somewhere else.
Like I'll give you an example, brock Purty's receivers at
Iowa State weren't nearly as open as Justin Field's receivers.
That so brock Purty had to learn to fit it
in there. Justin Fields for the most part, had somebody

(17:36):
wide open.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
But there's been that knock on Alabama quarterbacks for years
that hey, anybody can quarterback at Alabama. You have all
those great receivers, but we are getting good quarterbacks coming
out of there. Well, at least we had what happened
with Alabama with this year.

Speaker 7 (17:52):
With these quarterbacks, either they've missed on some haven't developed
the ones they have, or both, because you know, you're right,
it used to be Oh Greg McElroy, aj mcchaeron Jacob Coker.
It doesn't matter. You just put him in there. There's
so much more talented than everybody else. All they have
to do is not make mistakes. But as other teams

(18:13):
got as talented as Alabama and you had to deal
with the Clemsons and all that, you did have to
have a more talented quarterback. And that's what Alabama did.
They changed the way they recruited the quarterback position. They
went more dual threat, and they had a historic Think
about this, the Jalen Hurts to a tongue of Aloa
mac Jones and Bryce Young in succession. There's not going

(18:37):
to be a team in college in twenty years that
has that run, that kind of run, and so I
think we got a little spoiled with that. And we
also got a little spoiled with them having really dynamic receivers.
I mean, you think about when they had Jalen Waddell,
Devonte Smith, Henry Ruggs, and Jerry Judy all at the

(18:58):
same time. That's just un farris what Ohio State does.
Everybody now, but it's also not possible to do year
after year after year after year.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
It was a year ago where Nick Saban kind of
complained about NIL and he was talking to his boosters.
He's basically saying, look, we gotta we gotta outspend Texas
A and M A and M hasn't cashed in on this,
but Alabama, like, what's going on here? They it's you know,
is it transfer portal?

Speaker 9 (19:29):
NIL?

Speaker 1 (19:30):
They're not taking advantage of either one of those like
other other schools.

Speaker 7 (19:35):
No, I don't think it's that because when they've needed
to get somebody in the transfer portal, like Jamison Williams
a couple of years ago, they did okay, And so
they've been able to spot recruit out of the portal NIL.
If they tell their donors, hey, instead of rebuilding the
weight room, we'd like you to donate to NIL, they'll
do it. They'll do whatever they need to do. But
I do think the market in general has changed. And

(19:57):
you know, Andy Schwartz was an economist who were with
the plaintiffs in Obama versus the NCAA and wrote this
back back then and said, Hey, if all this stuff
were to come to be, you'll see the talent spread
out more. And I think you're seeing that. I mean,
in the class of twenty twenty four. Dan, here's a
good example. The number one defensive lineman in the country

(20:17):
is going to Missouri. He's from Missouri. Missouri has a
state law that allows you to start cashing in on
nil deals September of your senior year of high school.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
So this sort of thing is changing the dynamics.

Speaker 7 (20:30):
The transfer portal is also changing it because remember, if
you want to play in the NFL, Matt Castle aside,
you got to play in college. So you're not going
to sit the bench at Alabama or Ohio State or
Clemson or wherever for three years waiting when you can
go somewhere and star right away, and oh, by the way,
they'll give you an nil deal.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
But this so this isn't a case of Alabama's slipping
as much as others are moving up up the ladder.

Speaker 7 (20:57):
Where Alabama's different, I think one, they can't select as
well as they could like it used to be, they
could get anybody they wanted. The moment Kirby Smart went
to Georgia, that changed. The other thing that's happening with
Alabama is the bench of assistant coaches is not that deep.
Remember Nick Saban was losing assistance left and right, but

(21:17):
always seemed to have somebody ready who was either in
that Nick Saban witness relocation program that Mike Loxley always
joked about, or had worked there before, gone somewhere else
and was coming back. Well, this time they didn't have that,
Like when Bill O'Brien went to the Patriots. They didn't
have an OC just ready to pull up, which is
exactly what Georgia did this year when they lost Todd

(21:37):
Munkin to the Ravens, so they had to go do
a national search. They talked to Brian Rubbitt Washington, they
talked to other people, and they end up hiring Tommy
Reeve for Notre Dame. But Tommy rees had never worked
with Nick Saban before. We don't know how well they
worked together.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
In the past.

Speaker 7 (21:53):
Nick Saban has usually picked somebody he has already worked
with and knows exactly what he's going to get out of.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
Uh. Is there any fallout if Clemson and or Alabama
don't make the playoffs this year?

Speaker 7 (22:07):
There's any fallout In turn of it, Clemson is probably
going to have to rethink the way they do some things,
because while Alabama has adjusted to the changes in college sports.
Clemson has it Dabla Sweeney has not wanted to use
the transfer portal. I think the first time he used
it was last year to get Hunter Johnson, who is
a quarterback at Northwestern who had been a quarterback at Clemson.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
So he's basically just.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Bring him back.

Speaker 7 (22:29):
They have not filled holes nearly as well because they
have not wanted to use the transfer portal. Because Dado
doesn't believe in that. Well he's probably going to have
to start believing in it.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Yeah, we're talking to Andy Staples, he covers college football
at on three Sports Colorado. These next two weekends, how
important are these two games for just this season, well
maybe for the entire program moving forward.

Speaker 7 (22:57):
Well, I think they're very important, but it's more about
how you show up. It's not necessarily if you win.
If you win either one of these games, it is awesome.
They will be the biggest story in sports if they
can beat Oregon this weekend. But if they can compete
with Oregon this weekend, that should tell you they're going
to be a monster in the next year or so.

(23:19):
Because when you revamp a roster the way they did,
wholesale changes you can get skill players out of the portal,
but it's very hard to find big guys in the portal,
and Oregon has really good players up front both lines
of scrimmage. If they can hang with what they have,
they'll be able to get better big guys this next year,

(23:40):
and all of a sudden, they'll be competitive with anybody.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
Now.

Speaker 7 (23:44):
I went into the season before I saw them play,
thinking this is a game where they're just going to
get their doors blown off, and it may happen because
they don't have Travis Hunter. But I've been really impressed
with the way they've played schematically. Sean Lewis, the offensive coordinator,
was a good head coach at Can't Stay. He's done
a good job taking advantage of what they do have
and hiding what they don't.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
If they can keep.

Speaker 7 (24:07):
Doing that, I think they could be really good in
the coming years.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
And then they've got USC and Home after that. But
I'm wondering once again USC lacking defense. They certainly have offense,
but are they a Final four team with just an
offensive minded team.

Speaker 7 (24:24):
I think they're better defensively this year they went out
and got some guys out of the portal. I remember
I said There's not a lot of good big guys
available in the portal, but USC tends to draw the
ones that are. And they got a guy named Barry
Alexander from Georgia to play defensive tackle. They got Anthony
Lucas from Texas A and m who plays on the
d line as well. Body types that us he just
didn't have before, and most teams in the Pac twelve

(24:48):
that aren't Oregon or Utah don't have. So I do
think they're going to be considerably better defensively. We'll see
when they play Colorado, when they play Notre Dame, but
I suspect they're better than they were las year.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Speaking of Notre Dame, they got Ohio State. How impactful
is this game? It's huge.

Speaker 7 (25:06):
I mean I was talking to Mike Gollock Junior, who
played center for the Irish when they played for a
national title in twenty twelve. He said, this feels bigger
than any of those games. I was talking to some
people at Notre Dame. They said, this feels like the
biggest game since USC came in in five on that campus.
And so this is this is huge because they got

(25:27):
Sam Harmon nout quarterback, which feels like the piece they've
been missing, the thing that allows that offense to be
more explosive.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
They just haven't had that in the last few years.

Speaker 7 (25:37):
So if you can beat an Ohio State, you can
absolutely beat anybody in the country. And I do think
with this schedule, if they split Ohio State and USC
and are a competitive in the one they lose, they
could still make the fourteam playoff at eleven to one.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
Have a great weekend, Andy, always great to catch up
with you. Thank you, Thanks Dan, Andy Staples covering college
football for on three Sports. We'll take a break. We'll
check in with the mess that is the Chicago Bears
after this. Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast.
Be sure to catch us live every weekday morning nine
until noon eastern sixty nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio,

(26:13):
and you can find us on the iHeartRadio app at
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Speaker 1 (27:01):
There's so many interesting baseball stats this year. Kyle Schwoerber
is one of my favorite players, not because I think
he's good, He's just fascinating. He went over three with
a strikeout in the Phillies win over the Braves. He's
the first player to strike out two hundred times in
back to back seasons since Chris Davis did it in
twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen. Congratulations.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
Stat of the Day, That of the days. Here comes
the stat of the Day, as that of the Rays.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Stat of the Day.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
Here comes the stat of the Day.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Stat of the Day brought to you by Panini America,
the official trading cards of the Dan Patrick Show. Josh
Schrock covers the Bears for NBC Sports Chicago. He joins us. Now, boy,
you had a day yesterday there, Josh, When did you
know that it was a mess when you showed up
at the facility.

Speaker 5 (28:00):
I'd say about ninety seconds after Justin Fields took the podium,
and it was clear that he had a lot of
things on his mind and a lot of things to say,
and things just snowball from there. They just kept going
until about seven o'clock at night. So it was a
bizarre and very weird day at House Hall in one
that will probably define this team.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
But I wonder about the tweet that was sent out
and it stopped with just he blames coaching, and then
we didn't add anything else to that tweet, so we
had to wait to really find out the context of that.
If you flip it around where he takes blame and
then he mentions the code like it just felt like

(28:39):
if he handled it differently, then this isn't a big deal.
Do you agree?

Speaker 4 (28:45):
I agree.

Speaker 5 (28:45):
I think Justin is a very smart kid, and I
think he clearly went to the podium yesterday with an
idea of what was being said about him and how
things are going, and he wanted to get out in
front of some of the issues and he starts with
it could be coaching, and then proceeds to say it's.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
Also on me.

Speaker 5 (29:02):
But look, he was very critical of the staff, and
I think he meant what he said. He was direct,
confident he didn't torch them, and I think he went
to the practice field and then got off and saw
everyone just running with the one thing and was like, wow, okay,
I need to backtrack because it's a quarterback's unwritten law
that I don't just come out and last everyone. So
it wants to make it clear that he does blame himself.
But everything he said he meant.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
Okay, But if you look at this situation, how do
you troubleshoot this? If you're the Bears front office, coaching staff,
and justin Fields, well, I.

Speaker 5 (29:34):
Think they could have helped themselves a lot if they
had understood their personnel better. Like a job of a
good coordinator and a good coach is to know your
player's strengths and to game plan around what they do best,
not game plan around what you want to do. And
anyone who's watched the Bears to the first two games
can tell you that's not the offense they should be running.
That's not the offense that made Justin special last year,

(29:55):
so that's where they could have started, and that was
about two months ago. But as of now, they need
to everything. They need to scrap the Aaron Rodgers Asque
offense that Luetzi wants to run, and they need to
listen to what Justin saying and just do what he
does best. Four quarterback design runs in two games is
not nearly enough. They've really cobwebed the vertical passing game

(30:15):
except the two drives they scored against Tampa. They need
to do what this offense was built to do. They
told us it's built around mobility, it's built around vertical passing,
and then they just completely disregarded all of that for
the first two weeks and have made Justin think too
much and play pretty poorly.

Speaker 4 (30:29):
And he owns some of that blame.

Speaker 5 (30:30):
But they need to scrap everything. They need to scrap
the game plan, and they need to do what makes
him comfortab because that's the only way they're gonna win.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
But the big question is still going to be can
he beat you from the pocket when it's all said
and done. He was a curiosity. It was fun to watch.
They don't win, but are you okay with that if
you're a Chicago Bear fan, would you rather just be
entertaining and maybe you're not gonna win games or can
you try to? Are they trying to make him something
that he's not, therefore you're gonna lose games either way.

Speaker 5 (31:02):
Justin says they're not. I think what he was getting
at yesterday was what he's good at and what they
want him to do do not align at the moment,
and they need to find a way to mesh the two.
He's not trying to say I don't want to play
from the pocket, but what he's saying is I don't
want to just stand there like they're telling me to
do and go one, two, three, pause, wait, make sure
it's good, and then get out. I need to still

(31:23):
play free and right now he's thinking way too much
because he wants to do everything that they tell him
to do by to a tee and that's that's not
going to work at this level. Dan like, it's clear
against the Bucks, he was freezing, his brain was locking up,
and it led to a lot of mistakes. He missed
open receivers. He admitted the strip sack was that was
what happened. Right He's like, I would have been out
of there last year. But I'm just trying to do

(31:45):
what they're telling me. So they need to figure out
a way to get him to play from the pocket,
but also utilize that athleticism and they need to roll
the pocket. They need to not make it so hey,
everything is just straight drop back behind a bad offensive
line and try to make it work.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Yeah, because there were a couple of reads against Tampa
Bay where you're going, I got two guys open, yeah,
and he was freezing. But he might just be one.
He might be like Cam Newton that you just say, look,
do it how you need to do it, for as
long as you can do it. And then we saw
what happened. Cam fell off a cliff, he couldn't play anymore.

(32:21):
He got him to a super Bowl. But you know,
and I was just talking to Andy Staples, who covers
college football, and he said, you know, there were questions
about justin fields when he was in college at Ohio State,
that you didn't have to do much because your receivers
are so good. Ryan Day offensive minded head coach, and
you know you're not reading as much now in the NFL.

(32:43):
You do have to go through your progressions or at
least most of the elite quarterbacks, and then you have
Kansas City coming up this weekend. It just feels like
this is Justin Fields is going to put on the
cape and go out there and try to be Justin
Fields of last year.

Speaker 5 (32:59):
Yeah, And honestly, at this point, Dan, the offensive line
is so banged up and they're making so many mental mistakes. Offensively,
the receivers are running the wrong routes, they're standing next
to each other. The only way this is gonna even
have a chance to be successful on Sunday against a
team that's much more talented than there both sides the
ball is for Justin to just be superman like he
was last year and try to will them to thirty points.

(33:21):
I think your point about you know Cam Newton, Yeah,
that might end up being what Justin is. I think
he's been putting a horrible spot to start his career.
He's had no continuity, He's had you know, Matt Naggy
now Luke Getzi, and no one's engineered anything around him.
You think about what Greg Roman did with Lamar Jackson
right where it was like, okay, let's just let's just

(33:41):
package what you do well will make you successful, you
win an MVP, and now Todd Munkin's building on that.
That gotten him weapons and he was able to progress
as a quarterback. Justin's not had any of that. And
I mean, honestly, things are things are spiraling right now
for the Bears, And like I said, it kind of
reeks of Naggy Trubisky two point zero right where Mitch
got binched and and then he came out and started

(34:02):
talking freely about the scheme issues and how he was
uncomfortable and to Justin s Kreditk, he knows this is
this is his career and he has to get out
in front of this and say, hey, yeah, I'm playing bad.
Part of it's on me, but part of it's because
I'm just doing what I'm told and it needs to change.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
And he had all of this unfolding and then your
defensive coordinator resigns yesterday. Do we have any more information
on why he decided to step away for his health
and to be with his family.

Speaker 5 (34:29):
The situation remains incredibly murky. It was even murkier yesterday
when the Bears released a one line statement that said
he resigned Dan. I mean, you know, even when people
fire executives or coaches. It's always we thank you for
your service, We appreciate the time. You'll be a you know,
a Bear for life.

Speaker 4 (34:47):
It was none of that.

Speaker 5 (34:48):
It was, hey, he's gone, so something else is going on.
I think of them health because it was just health
and family. They would have wished him well and said,
you know, he can come back anytime if he wants,
and that's clearly.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
Not the case.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
They've already get him off the website.

Speaker 4 (35:01):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
I mean they're they're scrubbing any any remnants of him,
distancing themselves and just the rumors that are out there.

Speaker 5 (35:11):
Yeah, I mean, that's the where The only reason we
know he resigned is because of those rumors and social media,
because otherwise the Bears were really content on keeping it.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
Hey, we don't have an update. He's not here for now.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
Great appearance, Josh, thanks for joining us. Have fun today.

Speaker 4 (35:26):
I always do.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
Dan, Thank you, Josh Shrock, Bears Insider, NBC Sports Chicago.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
I think you get a team. All you wanted is
a team that has some kind of storyline. There, give
me some drama. Hey we're really good or we're really bad.
That's all you want. If you're going to be a
beat writer, beat reporter, local radio. Just give me something now.
The Bears gave you that. Congratulations Jim in Ohio, Hi Jim,

(35:53):
what's on your mind today? Hey?

Speaker 4 (35:56):
Dan?

Speaker 9 (35:57):
First of all, I want to thank you for coming
to Cincinnati for the book signing. Yep, we I think
everybody enjoyed your wit, humor and stories. I want to
first of all, I want to clear up something that
I have a quick question for you. I'm the one
that drew that caricature. Oh yeah, and I did not

(36:18):
intentionally make you look like Anderson Cooper and Harry care
I didn't have a lot of time to get that ready.
I usually take a couple of weeks to think about
it get you out. So I would like to redeem
myself and send another one. This time I want to
include the Dannatson.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
All right, sure, yeah, I got lipstick on. I look
like Harry Carrey and Anderson Cooper if they had a child.
And I have bright red lipstick on.

Speaker 9 (36:49):
Well, I have to redeem myself because that was not
my intention whatsoever. And I do like you. I've been
following sports for fifty years. My four favorite broadcast as
you're one of them. So I do admire your job
and what you have brought to the sport.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Well, thank you, Jim. I appreciate that. I think I
might be fourth. Top four though. Yeah you made it. Yeah,
that's Mount Rushmore. Yeah I got four yeah yeah yeah.
Who do you think the other three are?

Speaker 8 (37:21):
No?

Speaker 3 (37:21):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Don't you want to do that? Yes you do?

Speaker 4 (37:25):
Jim?

Speaker 1 (37:26):
Is Jim still there?

Speaker 6 (37:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Okay, real quickly? Who are your other three? Jim, Marty Brenneman,
red announcer.

Speaker 9 (37:35):
Harry Carey, Pat Hughes, uh yeah, and you.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Oh okay, all right, well, thank you, thank you Jim.
That's good company right there. So Pat Hughes does the Cubs,
and then Marty Brenneman Hall of Famer, and then Harry Carey.
That is good company. Yeah, good for you, Dan, Thank you.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
If Anderson Cooper and Harry Carey had a child, that's me.
And wait, you guys are going to get a portrait
done of you. Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick
Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday
morning nine until noon eastern six to nine Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio, and you can find us on the

(38:16):
iHeartRadio app at FSR or stream us live on the
Peacock app. It'll be the Steelers and the Raiders Sunday night.
Football festivities start on NBC and Peacock at seven Eastern.
More phone calls coming up, update the poll results. He's
our good buddy Chris Long inside the NFL analyst. He'll

(38:37):
be joining us coming up in a little bit with
the host Ryan Clark and Channing Crowder, Jay Cutler, Chad
Ocho Cinco and Chris Long. So he'll be joining us
here coming up as well. Did we get a further
update on the hit by Minka with Chubb.

Speaker 8 (38:56):
I haven't seen anything about any fines or anything like
that in the league, and no more details from the Browns.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
Because I wondered. Now you're getting people, you know, it's
hard to look at the hit because ESPN didn't replay it.
You're seeing some on social media, but I don't know
if the NFL has looked at this, And the question is,
you know, was it a legitimate hit? Mika Fitzpatrick said
that I would say one. They've never tackled Nick Chubb

(39:25):
before and they're telling me to go high to what
I seen? Was it opened up its goal line? I
didn't see anybody on him. I made the decision as
soon as I seen the hole open up and him
in the hole to go low. You can tell me
how to tackle him low. But it's a fast game.
It's a game where you make decisions in milliseconds. Can't

(39:46):
really control what happened after you choose to make your decision.
I already chose to go low. Somebody got on his
back when I was going low, and what happened happened.
There's nothing I would do differently again, I said earlier,
it's unfortunate. Nick Chubb's a great player. He makes the
game a lot better when he's playing. Just hope for

(40:07):
a speedy recovery. There's been this push for if a
player is already engaged, that you can't go low when
somebody has him up top. It just happens so quickly.
I know that we want to we want to look
at these isolated incidents and say, oh, okay, then he

(40:27):
shouldn't have gone low. He should have seen that somebody
had him up top. It happens so quickly, and you're
in the middle of all of this. I just can't
imagine what it's like to be a defensive player. Anymore
that no matter what you do, it feels like you're
not doing it the right way, You're not doing enough,
Like it's up to you to safeguard all the offensive players.
These guys are trying to make a living. They're trying

(40:49):
to take you down. And Mika Fitzpatrick who got hurt,
they took him to the hospital on that tackle. Can
he see that Nick Chubb is engaged up top and
therefore he shouldn't have gone low. If he wasn't engaged,
then he could have gone low.

Speaker 8 (41:08):
Yeah, Paulie, I've watched a few replays, a few pictures
that cut short. When Nick Chubb whears knee collapses, Minck
is going pretty low. He's being wrapped up. Chubb is
being wrapped up by fifty five and Minca is almost
on the ground himself, and he goes shoulder to knee like.
I don't think he had the intentions of doing taking
and breaking his knee, but he is very low.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Well, if you've tried to tackle Derrick Henry, are you
gonna go up top? No, like Jerome Bettis, You're going low,
and that's the only way you get these guys down.
And these guys outweigh these defensive backs by fifty pounds,
some of these running backs and they're running at you.
I just it's tough to be a defensive player in

(41:52):
the NFL. By the way, Dion Sanders did an interview
with Taylor Rooks. I'll have some of those comments coming up.
Dion's on fire. He is live at the improv man.
He cannot do any wrong. Our good buddy, Chris Long inside,
the NFL analyst and former NFL defensive end won a
Super Bowl. Did you want a couple of Super Bowls?

(42:15):
Didn't you? Did you win?

Speaker 11 (42:16):
Patriots and Eagles got a little lucky at the end there, Dan, Okay,
wear the ring you see it.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
The rings are in a safe.

Speaker 4 (42:23):
You know.

Speaker 11 (42:23):
The rings are like they're only for team events, you know,
like NFL honors, that sort of thing.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
I'm the type that would lose my Super Bowl ring,
so they stay in the safe.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
This is what I proposed years ago that we should
have a ring and then inside the ring like you
can wear it almost like a class ring from high school.
So it's medium sized, it's not gaudy, but it still
represents something you did with your team. Then you can
ring out the show ring if you want to, but
this gives you the Hey, there's my high school graduation ring.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
I kind of like that have four rings, you know.

Speaker 11 (43:02):
I feel like Robert Lorri or one of these guys
that stacked a bunch of them up. But yeah, yeah,
I got lucky there at the end. Dan, it was
a good little run.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
Good to talk to you again. What should like being
on a bad team?

Speaker 11 (43:14):
Wow, the hard hitting questions right off the bat, It's
so funny, Dan, I was watching It's not funny, not
for the people of Chicago, but I was watching the Bears,
and you know that game against Tampa. I feel like
I've been in that game one hundred times in eight
years in Saint Louis. I mean one in fifteen, two
and fourteen. You know the height of our run there
was seven and nine. And that Chicago team feels a

(43:38):
lot like teams that I was on. You know, when
you gather a little bit of hope, you go through camp,
and camp is tough because you got these old vets.
And especially when I got in the league, it was
the old CBA, so you had a bunch of old
guys who had.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
Seen it all.

Speaker 11 (43:51):
You know, they were a little bit hardened and they
were gonna be honest with you about how the team
looked today. I think in camp, it's all feel good,
everybody's got hope. It's a bunch of young players. You
don't know in camp if you've only been in for
like four years, if your team sucks, and back in
the day, I think we had a pretty good pulse
on that. So it was like a mind game, you know,

(44:14):
as the years went on, of how can I trick
myself into believing that we have a shot to do this?

Speaker 3 (44:19):
And the hardest part is it's not like the NBA.
It's not like the MLB.

Speaker 11 (44:23):
When you're gonna suck, you get on the team plane,
you go to dinner, you have fun on the road.
I'm not saying these guys are having fun when they
win in twenty games in the NBA, but it's a
lot easier than an NFL player is gonna put his
body on the line every Sunday and knowing that, like
if you turn on your TV and you're an Arizona Cardinal,
you're drafting Caleb Williams.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
According to guys like myself and everybody else.

Speaker 11 (44:44):
And sometimes I think we make it a little bit
too simple when it comes to like punting on a season,
so it can.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
Be really hard every Sunday.

Speaker 11 (44:51):
It's like taking the field and knowing we're probably gonna lose,
but you got to go out there and kind of,
I don't know, you hope to be the guy that
jumps off the tape if anybody's watching, you know, because
nobody's watching on TV, but somebody's going to be watching
next week in the All twenty two, if anybody's watching,
if anybody cares, I'm going to be the guy that
jumps off the tape.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
What did you see in the Mika Fitzpatrick hit on
Nick Chubb so at.

Speaker 11 (45:16):
First, and you know, because it's all slow motion in
the and I heard your take that you know they
should have showed it. That stuff doesn't bother me because
you know, like listen, it's happened to my friends. I've
seen it in person. It's hard to make me squeamish.
But they do show the slow motion. They don't go
full speed. The angle was kind of from the right sideline,

(45:37):
so you don't see Minca's approach at full speed. And initially,
even as a defensive player who albeit saw the game
from the front and never had to make those plays.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Okay. I was like, hey man, people are saying Minca
has a track record. He's just doing it. He's going
for it, he's just going low and he's got to
know that linebacker's there.

Speaker 11 (45:58):
But as I slept on it and I woke up
to do inside the NFL and Ryan Clark was there
and I was reading through his Twitter and he's going
back and forth with Nate Burlson.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
I'm kind of like, do I disagree with the host here?

Speaker 11 (46:08):
You know, me and right didn't talk about it, but
I just got an All twenty two and took a
closer look, and I do not think it was dirty.
And the thing that because for you to prove that
something's dirty, it has to be with malicious intent intent
to injure. You can say that it's an imperfect situation
for running backs in the NFL. We talk about this
all the time. I mean, it's a tough job. And

(46:30):
this is why you can say that it's tough for defenders.
You know, they've legislated where you can hit a guy,
the whole thing. But I think the most compelling argument
for me is I'm texting guys and calling guys that
I play with on the back end. Who are the
furthest thing from dirty players?

Speaker 3 (46:46):
People that I respect.

Speaker 11 (46:47):
Greatly, and they're like, listen, man, not dirty at all.
It's the four yard line. We got to get this
guy down. He's not seeing that backer who almost simultaneously
jumps on Chubbs back. I saw comparisons to a defensive
lineman being high load.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
Not true.

Speaker 11 (47:01):
I mean a defensive lineman being high load in today's
game is it is vindictive. That's the only way you
high loa somebody. I mean, it's so easy to hurt
somebody doing that. Even back in my dad's day, he
used to tell me about, Hey, when the two hundred
and ninety pound guards were getting thrown around by he
man out there and they retired of Howie Long, they
would high low him and it was a dirtbag thing
to do. Now, the difference is this, when a running

(47:23):
back is turning his feet, Statistically speaking, it's really hard
to hit that guy at the right time and injure him,
even if you were trying, because his feet are up
and down. If you're anchoring in a four technique, both
your feet are planned, your stationary, and there's no expectation.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
Of that happenings. Guys do this all the time.

Speaker 11 (47:44):
I watched the tape twenty three Kazi for the Steelers
made a play at the beginning of the fourth quarter
early in the game. It happened a couple times in
that game alone. So I'm just not comfortable calling a
guy dirty. You know that's a heavy accusation. I've seen
dirty plays. You want to talk about dirty. Go back
to the college football landscape last week, it's not worth
death threats.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
I think that thing was ridiculous. I think I heard
you all talking about Dion.

Speaker 11 (48:06):
I think he's just been brilliant at the podium, the
voice of reason, the adult in the room. But this
was not a dirty play on Monday night, in my opinion,
And it took me a second, I'll admit, And today
I think the landscape is when you get online, you
get on X, you get on the X machine, you're
so afraid to step out and say, hey, guys, I
don't see it that way, because you know, the compounding

(48:28):
effect of everybody's opinion is the people who know will
be afraid to be called that same thing, and it's
not worth them to speak up. And I learned that
in reaching out to a few dbs and a wide
receiver who said the same thing.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
I'm talking to Chris Long. Inside the NFL. The host
is Ryan Clark channing crowders there, Jay Cutler O Jo
Sinko every Tuesday at eight Eastern on the CW and
stream the episode the next day on cwtv dot com
and the CW app. Is there anybody that you still
harbor a grudge against that you played against?

Speaker 3 (49:00):
Not really, I was talking about this the other day.

Speaker 11 (49:02):
You know, there was a guy named Anthony Davis in
San Francisco, and we outwardly didn't like each other.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
You know, he was younger.

Speaker 11 (49:09):
I got the best of him a few times, and
I'm sure somewhere he's sitting there with his feet kicked up,
like you're bringing this up again.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
I'm good, you know, Like you know, it was really
hard for me.

Speaker 11 (49:20):
Breno Jackamini a guy who played in that Tom Cable
offense in Seattle, and it was so physical and he'd
hit you late and he'd dump you, and that group
would do borderline dirty stuff. But for the most part,
when I got off the field and I was done,
I was done with it. It takes a lot to
harbor a grudge like that. My grudge is more against
teams that we just couldn't seem to beat, you know,

(49:40):
And I try not to let it affect my analysis.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
And I think I've done a pretty good job of.

Speaker 11 (49:45):
It because I picked the San Francisco forty nine ers
to be in the Super Bowl. I've been complimentary of
the of the Seahawks. The thing that I've had the
hardest time with Dan, and maybe you could help me out,
is fan bases are extremely sensitive about their teams and
they think it's personal. And you know, I'll be breaking
down the Falcons and I'll be like, hey, they're a
good team. Desmond Ridder has to catch up. And I

(50:05):
got a hundred Falcons fans and my mentions like, you know,
you're a hater. You hate us, I don't hate you.
Why do you read them?

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Why do you read them?

Speaker 11 (50:14):
Because we're a growing podcast. So at this point, you know,
you're Dan Patrick. You know, like you don't need to
read your comments, you don't need feedback. Your show's been going.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Don't let them change your opinion. And if they don't,
they don't.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
Desmond Ridder needs to catch up. I'm saying it again,
on The Dan Patrick Show.

Speaker 11 (50:32):
But I like to read because you know, sometimes the
comments are actually constructive.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
They're like, we like this, we need time stamps on
the YouTube video. Maybe more of this. Why didn't you
talk about the Cardinals today?

Speaker 1 (50:43):
Well, why didn't you have somebody who goes through you
or your wife goes through and no you don't want
your wife, no, but have somebody who goes through it
and then filters and just says, hey, here's the thing.
This is what the dan Eds do.

Speaker 11 (50:59):
The relations Matt in the back of the room, one
of our producers here. I don't have a cool name.
Promote like the dan Ets. Yeah, Matt, you get to
go through all the YouTube mansions and aggregate the opinions.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
Matt graduated.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Matt just got promoted.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
What's shake, Dan Patrick?

Speaker 1 (51:16):
What's your story that you're going to tell your kids
about Tom Brady?

Speaker 11 (51:20):
A few, I think, you know, the first and foremost.
I got a lot of respect for the guy, you know, like,
I'm not just saying that I don't.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
Have to still give us any cheesy stuff.

Speaker 11 (51:28):
I've been No, I've been critical of him when when
he's you know, Ninja kicked defensive backs after interceptions, like
you know, I don't know if it's a New England
quarterback thing with Mac Jones and him where they they're
a little bit. But I think Tom Brady was one
of the nicest, most down to earth teammates I had,
and I truly think he's a good person. He has

(51:50):
a good heart and when I got into New England,
but he's a leader. On a team like that, it
can be really good or it can be really disruptive.
Because you're good players, they set the tone and if
it's not a great guy, you know that that can
that can kind of poison the locker room, even if
you don't realize it.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
When I walked into the building, you know, I'd played.

Speaker 11 (52:11):
Nine years on a lot of bad teams, had had
a good run, but I didn't expect that Tom Brady
knew much about me.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
And you know, of course I walk in. He's passing
me in the hallway.

Speaker 11 (52:22):
We're on the way out to walk through, and I say, Tom,
nice to meet him, Chris, you know, appreciate you. And
he goes and he's actually there. I was coming up
to introduce myself, Chris. I just wanted to welcome me here.
You know I've I've enjoyed watching you play We're happy
to have you. And I saw him repeat that interaction
with four or five guys that were new kind of

(52:44):
veteran additions in that locker room. I saw him treat
the janitor the same way that he'd treat you know, Bill.
I saw him treat the guy in the parking lot
the same way that he would treat Josh McDaniels. I
really do believe you can judge somebody on how they
treat the person and in the building who you need
the least from. And I saw him on many occasions

(53:05):
do that. And I also saw him turn into hell
on wheels on the sideline, which you need to be sometimes.
And I think some people see him slamming a tablet
and they want to point the finger at him and say,
you know, bad teammate or whatever. That's leadership sometimes, and
you can say it's not the packaging you like, or
he looks like a baby sometimes, but sometimes you got

(53:25):
to be that guy. And I thought he possessed the
ability to do both be that picky up guy have fun,
but also the guy could jump down your throat and
strike the fear of God and the wide receivers.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
But then you have Belichick doesn't say too much. Nah, Chris,
good to see you, good game.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
I love Bill. I love Bill, Dad. I can't help
but love Bill.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
Love Bill. What's there to love a lot?

Speaker 3 (53:56):
The guy's got hobbies that are like quirky. He likes
like bo and lacrosse, and you know, like he likes
his dog.

Speaker 11 (54:03):
It's just kind of like disarming that the dude who
you know, you thought for a long time was maybe
Darth Vader, has this kind of soft side. And if
you get Bill to laugh, I mean you just I
used to go through the hall and just try to
make Bill laugh, you know, not in a kissing up way,
but I just wanted to see him smile because you know,
when he just breaks character for a second, that upper

(54:23):
lip moves just a little bit and you're like, hey,
we did it. Yeah, we used to love Yeah, like
we used to love that. But I you know, I
love Bill because he was honest. And so many coaches
in the NFL will not shoot you straight, even if
they're going to fire you in two weeks, they'll they'll
be afraid to tell you that to your face in
their office.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
I had two coaches like that.

Speaker 11 (54:44):
I remember when I was when I was unhealthy at
the end of my career in Saint Louis, Greg Williams
pulled me in his office and I was like, hey,
I want to be out there on third down. And
I'm thinking in my head like a competitor, and he's like,
you're not good enough right now, You're not healthy enough.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
I love you, but that's a disservice to the other guys.
And it took that.

Speaker 11 (55:01):
It took hearing the honesty, and the same thing with Bill,
you know, being honest with me at different turns in
the road. And another thing I love about Bill is
this Dan. It's a little bit off the beaten path
for a fan, but when we travel as NFL players,
whether you're a ten year of VET, a fourteen year VET,
or rookie, chances are these coaches are going to put
you back in coach ironically, and the coaches, the little

(55:24):
five to ten guys, well, I don't want to say
five ten, maybe the five to seven guys, some of
the quality control guys. The little feet are kicking, you know,
above the ground and they don't need all that leg room,
and they're up there watching all twenty two having a
soda and we're in the back and we just played
sixty plays and I'm cramped between Jordan Malatta and Lane Johnson. Okay,
but when we were in New England, Bill put all

(55:46):
the guys that he could up in the front. Bill
satin coach. So you know, you think about that's just
a little anecdote about the guy. I loved his honesty.
I love the fact that he respected his players. And
I've texted him since, and you think I was just
there for a year, played a role left in free agency.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
Maybe you know, maybe he'd be happy about that, or
maybe he'd hold a.

Speaker 11 (56:08):
Grudge, but he's actually you know, we've talked from time
to time and one time I complimented him on that
very travel deal and I got a text out of
the blue from Bill that was like, I appreciate you
commending our travel, Chris, and it just made my dad.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
I just I'm a big Bill fan.

Speaker 11 (56:23):
And yeah, you can say the personnel decisions haven't been great,
but I really think there's a good football team in there.
And I would almost go as far as saying that's
the best O and two team in the league. If
that's the distinction you want to own.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
Good luck with inside the NFL. My best of the
family is always and thanks for joining us.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
Thanks Dan, great to see you.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
That's Chris Long inside the NFL Analyst and you can
watch every Tuesday at eight Eastern on the CW stream
the episode the next day on cwtv dot com and
the CWM. We've known him a long time when he
was in Virginia when he first got out. I remember
talking cars. Didn't he have a like a Cadillac El Dorado, Yeah,

(57:02):
some big Impala or something.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
I remember that. We've known him a long long time.
I just want to say thank you for complimenting the coach.
Sitting on coach, he's sucking up to Belichick and Brady.
You kind of got it, though, do you?

Speaker 5 (57:20):
I think?

Speaker 2 (57:20):
If you, I think if you get to New England
and Tom is right there and Bill's walking down the hallway,
try I could see. I could see the like appeal
of trying to get Bill Belichick to break character. Definitely
using the term break character was perfect. Absolutely totally get that.
If you could get that dude to laugh, that's a

(57:40):
good day.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
But doesn't he strike you is he's gonna laugh? And
it's gonna be an awkward laugh like he would be
like huh, or like

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Laugh at the wrong time, Like no, that wasn't the
funny part yet, Crack muscles in his hands