October 8, 2024 • 51 mins
On today's Dan Partrick Show, Former NFL WR Larry Fitzgerald tells us about golfing with Obama and Tiger Woods. NY Post Jets Beat Reporter Brian Costello shares his reaction to the Jets firing Robert Saleh. Plus, Legendary Broadcaster Bob Costas discusses the legacy of Pete Rose.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox Sports.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Radio if you're just joining us. The Jets have fired
their head coach, Robert Salah. We bring in Larry Fitzgerald,
the future Hall of Famer. What do you make of
that decision to fire Robert Salay?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Dan, good to be on with you, appreciation you having me.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
It's uh surprising, you know, in the game in the
league that not much surprises you.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
That this this is not what I expected.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
I mean, this is not a team that's eminated, eliminated
from the playoffs. Yeah, you have a Hall of Fame
quarterback still back there, very capable, you know, defense that's
that's played somewhat decent, better than expected throughout the course
of the year.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
So I was just as surprised as everybody else when
I heard the news today.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Okay, but I don't know. Were you ever on a
team where coach got fired during the season?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
No?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Never, Okay, because I wonder, I mean, that's a drastic move.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I agree, I agree, and I don't. I don't.
Speaker 5 (00:59):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
I certainly believe that you can put your team in
a better position, you know, removing your head coach at
this point in the year unless there's somebody that we
don't know about on that staff that could really galvanize
this team and and you know, get them to perform
at a better level.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
But I just I just don't know if that's that's
truly possible.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
What do you think is going on with Devonte Adams?
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Like?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
How did this end poorly with the Raiders? After I
know that Derek Carr got sent to the Saint or
he went to the Saints and that's who he wanted
to play with, but now he wants out? How do
you think this plays out?
Speaker 4 (01:33):
I think you get to you to a point in
your career where you start looking around and you start
evaluating truthfully, like do I have a chance to win here?
You know, I'm a Hall of Fame receiver, you know, prolific,
most prolific player of my generation probably, and like.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I want to win. I want to win a championship.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
I want to play a meaningful games in November, December
or January and eventually have a chance to play in
the Super Bowl. And quite frankly, Dan, you would agree
with this. They just they don't have a don't have
that ability in uh in Las Vegas right now. And
you know, I understand that he wants to you want
to play medieval games.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, but did you face the same situation at any
point in your career with with Arizona.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Yeah, but I'm I'm, I'm, I'm I'm very different.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
You know, everybody handles these situations, you know, in a
way they feel his best for themselves, and so I
respect his desire to want to go, you know, be
on a contender.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
You know that's the way he chooses to do it.
And you know, I haven't. I have no no issues
with that.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
What's the uh, the magic that Mahomes is bringing where
it doesn't matter who's the receiver, Like, how does he
make that where? I know Brady did this as well,
where you just plug and play. But Mahomes, They're not
an offensive juggernaut, Larry, They're I mean, they're a defensive
minded team. And then you're kind of asking the offense, Hey,
(02:54):
can you get us like twenty one points? That'll be
enough for us to win games?
Speaker 6 (02:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
I don't know that.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Will work all year.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
They definitely need to play better and more consistent offensively.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
But I mean, I.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Know Andy Reid gets a lot of credit.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
I don't know if he gets enough, though, I don't
think he gets the love and admiration he truly deserves
for what he's able to put out there every single year.
I can't tell you the last time I watched the
game a team win when you know their best player
in Patmo does not throw a touchdown, you know, I mean, like,
are you like Patrick Mahomes did not throw a touchdown
and they won by ten?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Was it ten to thirteen points last week?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I mean like, yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Man, that's that's that's crazy to think about that.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
And and then you lose, you know, your most targeted
receiver to a knee injury a week ago, and you know,
then you Kareem Hunk comes in a rounds for one
hundred and Juju goes for one hundred and thirty.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
I mean, like it literally, it's just.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Whoever Andy Reid, those in the in the in the gulash,
whoever Andy Reid, those in the in the crock pot.
You know it's gonna come out and it's gonna be
smelling good.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
They might be calling you, when's the last time you
heard from the team winning A.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Long time ago? DP, I got I got, I got
nothing for you. I got nothing for you.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Need me on the golf team or to pick a
ball team or something like that. I got you.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
But okay, but who who reached out to you? How
long ago?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
This was the this was the.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Year after h you know, the last year I played.
I talked, I talked to the Chiefs, and you know,
I knew it was time. It was I had a
great run. You know, it was time to move on
to new endeavors.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Wait wait, wait the Chiefs. I mean you didn't have
enough to kind of do what you know Travis Kelsey's doing,
you know, grab a ring here.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
No, No, there's no guarantees in life.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
I mean I've seen guys go ring, chase and a
lot of different sports, and you know I remember Karl
Malone and Gary Payton going to the Lakers and chasing
the like. There's no there's no guarantee just because you're
on on a really good team that you're gonna win.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
And you know, I had a great had a great run,
and it was it was my time.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
He's Larry Fitzgeral, you up for the Hall of Fame
next year.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I believe so yes, you believe so yes, sir?
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yeah, I think you know so not believe So Larry
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(05:25):
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That's pink, not pick So you want to explain that
a little bit more, Did I do? Okay?
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Now, you always do look a great job.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
But DraftKings, I've been very fortunate to have a six
year relationship to this point. We raised over five hundred
thousand dollars in the month of October. My mother lost
her battle of breast cancer two thousand and three of
you know, my executive director of my foundation, Daniel Frost,
you know, just beat breast cancer.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I've had ads and a.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Lot of people close to me who would battle through this,
and you know, it's just something that I'm really passionate about,
and you know, it's really great that Draft Kings would
be on board to you know, stay in the fox
hole with me in our organization as we continue to
bring awareness to a hideous disease.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
What hurts on you nothing.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I've never had a surgery. Nothing. I wake up every
morning and you know I have no issues, no issues.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
How is that constable? You never had a surgery.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
I don't know. I don't know. I was fortunate, very
fortunately God looked over me.
Speaker 7 (06:30):
Dang.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah, that's important. I mean for as many catchers and
I'm looking here, you were really good at tackling people too.
I got a lot of tackles in your career for
a wide receiver, right.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Yeah, I did, you know, but that was always a
big emphasis for us. You know, if it was a
fumble or interception, we got to get the guy on
the ground. It didn't help me in the Super Bowl
agains James Harrison. But I didn't know I had to
tackle it.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Oh, no, didn't.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
I didn't know I had to tackle the man that
I don't know if he's ever tried to move refrigerator before, DP, Like,
you don't see. You don't seem like a guy who
who really does too much domestic work around the house,
But if you ever try to move a refrigerator, that's
that's what it felt like trying to hit James Harrison.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Okay, but there was this staffer who blocked you on
the sidelines when he made that interception in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
It was not a staffer. It was actually answer a role.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
And so when he won his Super Bowl with the Giants,
you know made me more mad because you know, he
stole mine.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Man got himself one.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Oh my god, what are you thinking though, you're chasing
James Harrison because the clock is winding down and the
half is going to end, and you're chasing him trying
to keep him from scoring.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
No. I knew I would be able to catch him.
I was gaining ground on him.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
I just didn't anticipate that I would have to run
through another block from somebody on my own team, you know,
So that that that part, that part hurt me.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
But you score that touchdown though in the second half.
Did you think you guys were winning the Super Bowl
when you're running in Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
I think momentum really shifted in our favor. And you
know that that touchdown, you know, really put us in
a really you know, positive position. So I thought it
would be enough. But you know, there's a reason Ben
Roethlisberger is the first better Hall of Famer, and you know,
Mike Thomas going to be a Hall of Famer and
you know, he had wanted a better office of coordinators
and Bruce Aaron's and they made a great play to
finish the game.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Larry just picked up the game of golf not too
long ago. And I think he might be a sandbagger.
He might, he might lie on his handicap a little bit.
But the most famous player a person I should say
that you've played golf with is who.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
I mean, I played with a lot of I was
the President Obama, I would say, is way up there.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
On that list. I mean I get a chance to play.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
With him, you know every year, I always, you know,
still kind of pinch myself. Tiger Woods and Michael jo
I seen those are those are a lot of fun
to play with him, so competitive and he learned so
much from him turn their mental approach.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Okay, but how much money are you playing for when
you play against Jordan?
Speaker 4 (09:11):
You know what, I try to keep it. I try
to keep it within the reason. You know, it's hard.
It's hard to gamble with billionaires, you know, whatever, whatever,
whatever numbers comfortable for him is grossly uncomfortable for you.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
You know.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
So what about Tiger did you play for money with Tiger.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
No, No, we didn't play. We didn't play for money.
He you know, he actually just likes to He likes
to just have a good time. He doesn't that necessarily
get into all the money games.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
But when you play against Barack Obama, they're secret Service
agents lining the fairway, aren't there.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Yeah? Then so I actually, uh, a few years ago,
I was playing with him. I made a hole and wanted.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
The group with him, and and you know I didn't.
Really My celebration was pretty subdued. Is because you know,
you see all the semi automatic I got, I got,
I got a golf club in my hand, and I'm
on Timothy away from him, Like there's a lot of
things that could go wrong very quickly. And so I
was like, okay, you know, I act like you've been there.
I want to act be my best Berry Standards impersonation.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Good to talk to you, Good luck with DraftKings, and
thanks for joining us.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Thank you have a great day.
Speaker 8 (10:13):
Man.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
That's Larry Fitzgerald, the former Cardinal wide receiver, third overall
pick back in four and made the Pro Bowl eleven times.
DraftKings offering free to play pinkham pools every NFL Sunday
in October DraftKings donating one dollar for the first twenty
thousand entries every week going to the Larry Fitzgerald Foundation
(10:34):
to fund breast cancer research and support. I once played
golf with the Governor Jesse Ventura, and we were in Minnesota. Well,
you play in their Secret Service guys lining the fairway,
and I would joke with Jesse Ventura. I'd be like,
you know what, your ball always seems to stay in bounds.
(10:58):
I Ke'd hit a shot and would go sideways, and
he always found it. Secret Service guy always found it.
And I mean, I'm not calling him a cheater, but
it felt like there was a home course advantage there
that he never hit the ball out of bounds and
be like, no, I'll be damn you found your ball, Huh.
I thought it went right in the middle of the lake.
(11:19):
Nope didn't. I go, Okay, man, it must be your day,
Must be your day. No didn't, Nope didn't. He was
a lot of fun though he was. He was a
sharp guy, fun, good opinions, strong opinions. Played with Ray
Allen and Dante Colepepper and Ray Ray's a really good player,
(11:43):
and Jesse was okay, but Dante Coulpepper shouldn't have been
out there. First of all, I didn't know that golf
was eighteen holes. He thought it was nine. And then
we got to the end of you know, the ninth hole,
and he was like, well, see you guys, we're like,
there's nine more holes, not for me. So he ended
(12:04):
up leaving.
Speaker 9 (12:05):
Yes, Pauline, do you think it would be fun and
relaxing to play with a president, former president or just
completely tense?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (12:13):
I can't imagine relaxing.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah, I don't think so it would be. I think
if you had a couple of beers and then you
were able to talk like that, because I I would
have a lot of questions, but I don't know if
I'm allowed to ask him.
Speaker 9 (12:31):
And can you even in the middle of a round
of golf, do you have to address it? Oh, that's
a great put, mister president. You wire to wire, it's
mister president.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Probably so yeah, A guy always thought Bill Clinton would
be a lot of fun. If I'm we're having beers
and I'm allowed to just talk freely, that that could
be interesting. What do you think of the raisor backstae right?
How about that win against Tennessee. Yeah, it's Todd. That
(13:00):
was my That was my Clinton, and you've been doing
your Donald Trump and person we're in.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
Competition with you. O.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
There, that was it what mine?
Speaker 5 (13:09):
No, his was that Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
That was I wasn't doing a pressure and here let
me do it again.
Speaker 7 (13:17):
Cracking.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
We don't like cracking. We do like cracking. We flip,
We flop. We sounds like.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
You're you're not doing an impersonation.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
We tend to flip. We flip one way, we flip
the other, flip your mind. I call her flipper because
she flipped. That's all I got.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
I think if we're watching you, it helps.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
It doesn't help.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Ready, Yes, you know.
Speaker 10 (13:45):
One of the things that really got me about Sausage
Off was like Todd, like, you can't hear what we're
all hearing. You can't hear that. That was the most
fascinating part to me that he couldn't figure out that
fork and falk weren't the same thing. And we kept
going on and on about it, and like, you can't
(14:05):
hear the difference there, You can't tell the difference. This
is the same thing to me where I'm like, tell
you you can't hear that you're not doing an impression.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
You're just talking.
Speaker 10 (14:14):
You're just you're just using your own normal voice.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
You can't hear that. Well he did the Olivia Newton
John tribute and didn't hear himself, not on you know time,
not on cue, not on I mean, you were a mess.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
It makes good sports radio asciation.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
You gotta answer it just right, you know what I mean,
don't google.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Let's just try to think it.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Tell yourself meantally.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Know what you're talking about, or get embarrassed.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
But this this was meant to be a very nice,
sweet tribute to Olivia Newton John.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
Huge in John. It was not supposed to end up
being a disrespectful goofy thing. I took it very seriously.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
When I thought, I know, I know, yes, still, I.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Think I've said it on the show before.
Speaker 11 (15:13):
There's nothing better than the big German goes, Hey, guys,
Fritzie needs to hear the music. He weeks goes, he
does hear the music, He goes, oh the never mind.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
And then we ask you, do you want to do
it again? And You're like, Nope, I think I nailed it.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
I don't really need to stay with the music.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
It's all about the words.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Music is just a little extra thing in the backgrounds conversation.
Everyone knows it's all about the lyrics, not the background
music the best or get embarrassed on.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Radio and TV.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
Got to speed up a little bit the syllables to
get that in the greatest moment.
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they stay undefeated. Here we'll all check in with the Colts.
Colts with the Jets coming up, as they've made a
decision with Robert Sala. They have decided to fire Robert Sala.
And here we are five games in, so we'll talk
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to somebody who covers the team. That'll be in a moment.
Last team to start five and OHO and miss the
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back to Robert Sala. He was fired about an hour ago.
Brian Costello covers the Jets for the New York Post
kind enough to join us on short notice. How did
we get to this point? Brian? Was he with us?
(17:23):
I don't think he's ready just yet.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Dan.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
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Speaker 9 (17:34):
Know what's one weird thing. How tenuous was this? The
Jets lose to the Broncos by one point. They had
to comeback the other day and they lost by six.
So because of seven points, you fire your head coach,
because I don't think a four and one team fire
as a coach. I know it's a loss of a loss,
it doesn't feel that far away.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah, Se, But isn't he like twenty and thirty six? Yes,
that's the reason why I got fired. Well, let me
bring in Ian Costello covers the Jets for the New
York Post. How did we get to this point?
Speaker 7 (18:03):
Brian Dan, I'm still processing it, but you know, I
think this season there was such high expectations for the
Jets with Aaron Rodgers coming back, lots of super Bowl talk,
and they've looked. They looked bad the last two weeks.
You know, it was a one point lost to Denver,
and if Greg Zerline makes a fifty yard field goal,
maybe things are different. But they didn't. They had fifteen
(18:25):
penalties in that game. Thirteen Network accepted five fallse starts,
and you know, there's a clamoring there was. The fans
were starting to get restless, and I think Woody Johnson
listens to the fans. I think he spends a lot
of time on Twitter, and he has people in his
family that do and I think he you know this Sunday,
I also think Daniel can't overlook the game being in
(18:46):
London on Sunday. He was the ambassador of the United Kingdom.
He's got a lot of friends over there. I'm sure
he was embarrassed with the way they played and that
probably played a factor in this as well.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
So you're surprised.
Speaker 7 (18:59):
I'm surprised.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (19:00):
I look, I've been asked after last week. I was
asked a bunch of times by beat by people on
different shows and stuff. And you know, I thought they
have a stretch here where they have three standalone games
in a row. They were on an NFL network Sunday morning,
they play Monday Night Football this week against the Bills,
and then they play Sunday Night Football in Pittsburgh. So
that's three games where you have a national audience. I
(19:20):
said to people, if they lose those three games, then
I think he's in trouble, because that then it's you know,
all the morning shows are talking about him, everyone's talking
about it. Then I think something could happen. But again,
the Jets haven't changed coaches mid season since nineteen seventy
six when Lou Holtz quit, so this is not like
and they've had you know, Rich Kotite was the coach
they went one to fifteen. Adam Gase was the coach.
(19:42):
They were oh and thirteen to start that season. Todd
Bowles last season, there was clear there was calls for
them to fire him mid season. Everyone knew he was gone,
and it hasn't happened. So this is this is surprising
because the Jets, this is not the way they've operated
in a long long time.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
I wondered, if you fire Robert Sala, if you're still
going to try to get Davante Adams, like, I don't
know if those two are connected or not.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
Brian, Yeah, I don't see a connection there. DeVante doesn't
know Sala. I mean, Davante's tie to the Jets is
obvious with the quarterback, so that's that's the tie. And
I don't think this changes anything in terms of John
DeVante Adams. Yeah, I don't think. I don't think that's
related in I think this is just purely about what
what Woody Johnson's seen the last couple of weeks on
the field.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Well, I didn't know if they would not fire him,
they'd given the benefit of the doubt, if they were
going to bring in Davonte Adams.
Speaker 7 (20:31):
So yeah, yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not sure if
that I think this is I think the DeVante Adams
thinking is more than Joe Joe Douglas negotiating that right now,
this this is Whatody Johnson deciding to move on from Sala.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
Man, this is crazy.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
But we shouldn't be surprised. But we are surprised. Why
is that? It's the Jets?
Speaker 7 (20:48):
Well, i mean, Dan, if you had me on nine
days ago, right, they beat the Patriots on Thursday Night football,
they look good, right, Rogers, Rogers was Rogers. He was
controlling it. Everyone's like, oh, going to the super Bowl.
Here they go. They hit their stride, they figured it out.
I mean, Dad, we were asking questions that week before
the Broncos game of you know, do you guys have
(21:10):
to him a prosperity Well here like, do you guys
not have to get big ends. We were literally asking
these questions in the locker room two weeks ago, and
now he's fired, Like it's this league. Is the NFL
is insane? Which is how weak the week it is?
And you know, obviously there was a case to be
made that Sala should have been fired last year. Yeah, right,
(21:31):
but he got kind of got a mulligan because Aaron
Rodgers missed the whole season and they brought him back.
But you could tell talking to Woody Johnson. We talked
to him at NFL Honors before the Super Bowl. He
was basically saying, like, this is it, Like this is
your last chance, and so I think he entered on
shaky ground and then things just got shaky in the
last two weeks here.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
How do you think the players are going to react
to this.
Speaker 7 (21:52):
I talked to a couple this morning. They're pretty surprised
right now. They didn't see this coming. You know, players
are pretty resilient and not much phases them, So I
think I don't think it's changed as much. Dan. That's
my issue with this is the offense has been the problem. Yeah,
solves a defensive coach. The defense gave up ten points
(22:12):
to the Broncos. They gave up sixteen points to the Vikings.
One touchdown was a pick six, Right, So the defense
hasn't been the problem. The offense has been the problem.
What does this change offensively? You've now made the defensive
coordinator who basically designed the defense, along with Salah the
head coach. You maybe a change in voice helps. But
to me, Dan, this is a ten and seven team.
You know, that's what I thought coming in the season.
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I still think they can go ten and seven, and
now it's but now you know, if they win a
few games in a row, it's gonna be oh well,
oh brick did it where? I just I just don't
think this changes much.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Do you think Whatdy Johnson gave Aaron Rodgers a heads
up before this happened?
Speaker 7 (22:47):
Yeah, that's the that's the question right now that I
have I would think he probably would have, but I
don't know that for sure right now, but I think
if he didn't run it by him that that's an
interesting decision.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
You always have drama in your job. Is that a
good thing? That you always have drama?
Speaker 7 (23:07):
It gives me job security, Dan, I'll say that. You know,
this beats never boring. When the New York Post makes
the list of jobs maybe we can get, maybe we
can live without this one, Jets Beat is not on
that list, so uh yeah, but it's it's you know,
I just texted my wife. I said, the plans have
changed for the week different.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Thank you, Brian, Thanks Dan. That's Brian Costello Jets Beat
reporter for the New York Post. Yeah, you got drama.
You don't have high highs, like like if you're covering
some of these teams that get a chance to go
to the Super Bowl or an NFC title game or
AFC title game. With the Jets, there's always going to
be a storyline. The question is is it going to
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be a positive storyline. I remember being around the Jets
when Mark Gastenov was there and they were a good team.
You know, Ken O'Brien, but the Giants were a better
team at the time. But they had uh, Marty Lines
and Joe Klecko. They had a really good defensive line.
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Freeman McNeil, al Toon was really good, Wesley Walker, they
were I mean they they were close to being a
really good team. And uh so there wasn't really drama
back then. I think Joe Walton was the head coach.
But I think that's the first time I was around
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Richard Todd, So I was never around when Namath. I
wasn't covering them. I wasn't old enough to be covering
them back then. It started in the early eighties, but
I remember Gastoneau was always a storyline because he was
he was dating Brigitte Nielsen really yes, yes, and he
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had I think he had a Rolls Royce and he
was a big deal. He wasn't well like by his teammates.
I mean, I thought Joe Kleco was the heart and
soul of that team. He was one of my favorite players.
But you know, you're out there covering these teams and
you kind of juxtapose that with the Giants, with Bill Parce, Sells.
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Belichick was there, you got lt you got you know,
Phil Simms, Joe Morris, but the Jets were holding their own.
You know, they just couldn't they couldn't get over that hump.
The Giants, of course won the Super Bowl. Yes, Pung.
Speaker 9 (25:30):
It's such an awkward week to do it, because now
you have a standalone Monday night football game versus Buffalo
for the media just chop it up, preview the game.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
But you don't want him to win his way out
of this. If you're planning on firing him, I guess
that you're going to have these standalone games. They can
lose all three of these and then you can go, Okay,
Now if he wins two or three, you're like, I
don't know if we can fire him after a win
against Pittsburgh. Yeah.
Speaker 10 (25:59):
See, it's almost like that's why you fired him this
week is because you have a standalone game coming up,
and as ownership, you could be like, see fans, we're trying.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Oh, I mean, it's all pr right. It starts from
the top. I mean it's it does now? Does Rogers tuesdays?
Does he talk or is that with McAfee or is
that both?
Speaker 9 (26:26):
Usually the quarterback speaks either Tuesday or Wednesday to the
gathered media, and he also has his obligation with the McAfee.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
I mean, Rodgers has to answer some of these questions. Aaron,
why did you have your coach fired?
Speaker 5 (26:38):
Who word? Did the code red?
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Aaron? The defense has been great, the offense has been terrible,
which is true. Robert Salad doesn't have anything to do
with the offense. Oh man, what a mess? What a mess?
Chris and Pennsylvania. Hi, Chris, what's on your mind?
Speaker 8 (26:58):
Hey you good morning? So Rogers. You know he's getting
a lot of blame here, But what happened to the
running game. Let's talk about brief Hall and Braylen Allen Man,
they just like both disappeared the last two games.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Yeah, but I think this is more systemic with that
that You're right. Should they have a better running game? Yeah,
they should have a better offense. You know, if you
have a better passing game, you can have a better
running game, and vice versa. They just they haven't. It
hadn't synced up yet. There's plenty of blame to go around.
There always is with the Jets. Dave and san Antonio. Hi, Dave,
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what's on your mind?
Speaker 6 (27:36):
Hey?
Speaker 8 (27:36):
Good morning guys.
Speaker 12 (27:37):
I hate to take us off topics here for a second,
but I'm dropping my kid off. I get home a
little bit earlier than usual. I put on Dan Patrick
on peacock. I'm watching Marvin shoot baskets and I'm looking
at Marvin shoot baskets and I'm like, what is going
on here?
Speaker 7 (27:55):
Man?
Speaker 8 (27:55):
Marvin Like, whether's don't shoot like that?
Speaker 7 (27:58):
Dan?
Speaker 8 (27:58):
I know you're a shooter.
Speaker 7 (27:59):
Man.
Speaker 8 (27:59):
You have been out there with Marvin, help him on
the on the court. You got to help my brother out.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
He'd never asked for help. I always wait if somebody
asks for help, then I'll help them. And Marvin hasn't
asked for help with shooting. Do you need help? Do I?
Speaker 5 (28:17):
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Okay, so then I'm not going to help you. But
if you said to me, I setan, I didn't notice
something with Seaton where he was shooting and he would
move he would move it off his head to his side,
and I said, no, just keep it on the side.
Don't move it from the head to the side, because
it's taking longer to get your shot off. That was all.
It's just a nice Hey, I noticed this, But I
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don't want to give you a tutorial on shooting.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
You know what, during the break help me.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
I'll need more time than that.
Speaker 10 (28:51):
The break after that you want to start a service
where you people send in videos and then you break
down their form. It's like, uh, well, charge like a
a monthly fee for it or something.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
You know what. I have to do this Happy Gilmore thing,
so I don't have time right now. I found out
I'm in two scenes with Happy Gilmore, and I think
I'm shooting my scenes here, I think, but I don't know.
I just heard from Samdler this morning and he said, Danny,
you're gonna need a wardrobe change for two scenes. And
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I said, okay, so I'll find out exactly what that is.
But look, if I can help I mean I took
time out to help Ray Allen when he came in a.
Speaker 9 (29:36):
Little late, though he'd already played a couple thousand games.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I don't think it's ever too late. I'm still trying
to perfect my shot, and we'll always try to perfect
my shot. I even want to hit the rim. I
want the net, and then I don't even want the
net to move. Marvin, I don't know if I can
help you if you don't want to be that great
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like you coulda want it, and if not, I'm not
wasting my time anymore.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
You know what I want it?
Speaker 2 (30:06):
No, I didn't believe that at all.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
Oh, it's all let's move logs.
Speaker 11 (30:11):
I don't know what it's gonna do about helping my shot,
but we're gonna move logs.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Yes, falling.
Speaker 9 (30:16):
I just saw a video. Reggie Miller's fifty nine years old.
He posted a video of him just jacking from deep No.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Problem, no, no problem, nope. And you know those who
have it have it and they never lose it. It's
just it's it's magic in your hand. But it's a
small fraternity of us that you know, it just never leaves.
Show us a handshaked in no can't You almost tricked
me into showing you the secret handshake, because if I
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see Steph Curry, I just give him the nod and
then he knows it's time for the secret handshake. And
I hope Klay Thompson gets back in the fraternity, you know,
I hope. So did you see where Luca bet one
of his teammates. I think it was one hundred thousand dollars.
This was during this is like a couple of days ago,
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that he would make a full court shot. They had
like some fan past or something, and Luca made it
for one hundred thousand dollars. Did you see that? I
don't know, maybe you didn't see the video, but it is.
It's pretty funny. It is wild. Yeah, but I think
I don't know what the bet was. So Luca is
gonna make a hundred thousand, but uh, I think one
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of his younger teammates cost him one hundred large Derek Lively, Yes, yeah, yeah,
And you could see his reaction when Luca makes a
full court shot. It's like, damn, yeah, Pauline.
Speaker 9 (31:43):
Luca's underneath the opposing basket about three feet out. Yeah,
he doesn't even step up. It's like a hook shot
you would do in horse in your backyard, but from
eighty five feet.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Probably further thing. Yeah, yeah, for one hundred thousand dollars,
Let me take a break, Bob Costas he will join us.
Coming up next. More of your phone calls as well.
We're back after this and the Dan Patrick Show.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
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Speaker 2 (32:20):
This is the first time since the division series were
added in nineteen ninety five that all four series are
tied at a game apiece after two games. You got
baseball coming up later on today you got the Phillies
and the Mets, and then you got Dodgers of the
Padres coming up at nine Eastern. Bob Costas on the
call for the Yankees game with the Kents City Royals,
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MLB network host and Hall of Fame sportscaster. When the
playoffs started, Bob, a couple of baseball writers said all
twelve teams could win the World Series. You feel the
same way when that happened, when that started.
Speaker 6 (32:56):
Well, all twelve teams have a shot to win a
given series. And as I said to you before, if
when the playoffs start under this format, you could take
any team you want from either league and I take
the field, I'd like my chances because so many good teams,
one hundred win teams have been knocked out. Especially treacherous
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is the division series round with the odd number of
off days, so a lesser team can get by, maybe
with only two good starters. Detroit may get by with
only one good starter, but he's the best pitcher in baseball,
best starter in baseball this year. Once you get to
the LCS, it's a more legitimate test. But think about
last year. The Diamondbacks knock off the Dodgers, a team
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that finished sixteen games ahead of them in the same division.
They get all the way through to the World Series.
The team they meet, the Texas Rangers, is in effective
wildcard team. They tied the Astros for first place, but
there was a tiebreaker, so they had to play in
the wildcard round. So both those teams had to play
in the Wildcard round. They both made it to the
World Series, where they the best teams in their respective
leagues over the course of the season. No, but the
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days of an old Pennant Race, win it, or even
the old LCS win the division, have to finish first,
go to the LCS. That's the one thing that you
get to the World Series. Those days are behind us.
There's a lot of pluses to this. I mean, there's
been a lot of great games, and I've had a
lot of people say, you know, it just almost feels
like March madness in a sense. I'm watching four games
at once, and we're going around with the highlights that
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everybody's got a shot and there are interesting things happening,
and that's what Baseball wanted. And even if you're not
among the twelve teams, there were enough teams close enough
into the last week or so to keep their fan
bases engaged. That's the trade off. Or you're going to
always get the purest matchup between the two best teams
in the league. No, in fact, I would think less
often than not that would happen. But there are upsides
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to the setup too.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
I love the best of three. I just it created tension, immediacy.
Each game mattered, and maybe it's not fair, but I
always feel like if you got one hundred and sixty
two games to alter your course, there and if it
comes down to this, and you know, some of these
teams had all three home games if they got to that,
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so I was fine with it. I don't want all
the playoff series like that. Where do you stand on that?
Speaker 6 (35:14):
Well, the difference between baseball and other sports has to
be taken into account. Baseball plays one hundred and sixty
two twice as many as the NHL and the NBA,
and roughly ten times as many. Did I say the
NHL and NBA, Yes, I did, and roughly ten times.
I didn't get much sleep last night, Dan, I got
to get on a plane to Kansas City. I'm a
little groggy, but ten times as much as the NFL,
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and so there's a legitimate feeling that you want to
honor what happens over the course of that long season.
Playoff qualifying seems different in baseball. That doesn't mean that
this format is bad, but almost any format, if you
want that many teams to be in it is going
to be imperfect to one extent or another. But this
one does yield some excitement in the early rounds, no question.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
And I love that Detroit is in. I watched almost
all of that game yesterday Schooble is I mean dominating. Yeah,
And you know, I just it's a young team. Aj
Hinch gets a chance to, you know, come back Kansas City.
Although they won in what twenty fifteen, they're still I mean,
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I love that. Then you get the Padres and the Dodgers.
That feels like Yankees in Red Sox. Yeah, you know.
So there there's a lot of matchups, a lot of
fun things. And then you throw in the Phillies in
the Mets And it doesn't matter if it's exhibition, you know,
spring training or you know, or a playoff. So that
that I think the match I think Baseball's had a
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really good year this year.
Speaker 6 (36:46):
I think so too, with historic performances by Otani and Judge.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Judge continues to struggle in the postseason.
Speaker 6 (36:54):
That's another subplot in all of this, and Bobby Witt
Junior emerging as one of the best all round players
in recent seasons. There's a lot to.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Like in this baseball season.
Speaker 6 (37:04):
And to your point earlier, the Padres and the Dodgers
feels like a real rivalry. It felt like that before
the game on Sunday night. Then you've got people throwing stuff,
which you can't applaud at Profar and then apparently Manny
Machado tossed a baseball in the direction of Dave Roberts,
and Roberts is a pretty even keel guy, but he
said it had some mustard on it, and I found
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it to be disrespectful. So the atmosphere is for Games
three and four in San Diego should be pretty raucous
as well, as long as everybody stays in their seats
and yells the screams as much as they want, but
doesn't do anything more than that. But you know, they
play in the same division, just like the Tigers and
the Guardians do in the same division. The Mets and
the Phillies in the same division, so there's that familiarity
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with all the games played during the regular season. And
now they meet again in October, and because of the proximity,
you're going to have even more visiting fans if they
can score a ticket somehow, visiting fans in the other
team's ballpark.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
In fact, I said to Ron Darling.
Speaker 6 (38:04):
During Game one, this is the only series where a
plane ride is required between New York and Kansas City.
I think they should go old school and take a
train and everybody wears suspenders and smokes cigars and reads
the Sporting News and it's in black and white, and
it looks like a scene out of the natural.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Would you be willing to take a train today to
Kansas City, Bob.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
Absolutely not, even the club car on a cello.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
I'm not going that far. We've tried to put Otani's
season in perspective, and you know, I'm looking at a
hitter and a hitter in a regular season. The only
other you know, that moment where he has the three homers, like,
is that the greatest game ever for a hitter? And
I still brought it even though it's two games. Ted
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Williams on that final day when he could have sat
out and he played both ends of the double header
and batted four oh six, that's the only thing that
I thought might be a comparison to that.
Speaker 6 (39:04):
Your thoughts, well, I think of the Sandberg game forty
years ago on the NBC Game of the Week, when
Ryan Samberg went five for six and hit two homers,
last ditch homers off Bruce Suitor. They used relief pitchers differently,
and I think White Herzog had Suitor in there for
at least three innings. So Sandberg homers to tie it
on the ninth. He homers again in the tenth with
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two out to tie it again and was immediately dubbed
the Sandberg Game. And that's what people around Chicago still
referred to it as. And it was on a national
broadcast when the game of the week was something different
than it is now, when you have so many ways
to access baseball. Fred Lynn had a game during his
Rookie of the Year MVP year in seventy five for
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the Red Sox where he hit three home runs and
had ten RBIs at Tiger Stadium. But what Otani did here,
and then, of course, if you think of something happening
in the World Series, you think of Reggie Jackson hitting
three home runs in a deciding World Series game, it's
more meaningful. I think of some of the games that
George Brett had. He had a three homer game every
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homer off Catfish Hunter in the LCS in either seventy
seven or seventy eight, And he had another game in
eighty five where he had two homers, a double and
a single and the double hit the top of the
wall against Toronto. Brett is one of the all time
great postseason performers. The thing about this, though, is not
only did he have five hits and three home runs
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and he almost had the cycle, he was thrown out
a third trying to stretch a double. He had two doubles,
so he's thrown out a third, could have had the cycle.
And he passed both milestones. He passed the fifty and
the fifty in the same game. So I think that
this has elements that surrounded. You could look at others
and say, I can make a case for this or that,
but for now Otani will.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Do Could he be underrated?
Speaker 3 (40:51):
I don't know how he could be underrated. He's been
certainly celebrated.
Speaker 6 (40:55):
People will interpret what I'm about to say wrongly, but
it would be a great thing for baseball in the
big picture. If Otani, who never played in a playoff
game with the Angels, if Otani got to the World Series,
and if Judge snapped out of it and hit a
few homers on the way to the World Series, and
you got Yankees Dodgers, not just because of the markets,
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but because these are the two players who's the casual
fan is immediately recognizable. You can grasp what they've done,
you can grasp that they're both historic players. Now, I
know that you will have comments saying, oh, it's a
big market bias. Hey, if the Tigers make it, If
Kansas City plays the Tigers or the Guardians and the LCS,
that's good for baseball in its own way. But if
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you're just looking for a big boost in World Series ratings,
you got the combination of the markets and the two
marquee players that would be the best in that respect
for baseball.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Well, when I say underrated, because we didn't know that
he was capable of stealing sixty bases and even the
pitching part of it. That'll come back next year and
he probably won't come close to these numbers. He won't
be running the bases this way, but it's almost like
I can't do that. I'm going to show you something
else that I can do.
Speaker 6 (42:09):
Yeah, this year, minus the pitching, kind of liberated him
to run the bases. And maybe it accounts for a
portion of what he's done at the plate because he
doesn't have as much stress on his body and on
his attentions. Maybe, But as everyone has said, and it's true,
he's a unicorn. Is he the greatest player you can
make a case for many others. But is he the
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most talented player, certainly that I've ever seen. Will He
is not to say that he's a greater all round
player than Willie Mays. I mean, he's never played the
field to any significant extent. He's a dh But we've
never seen someone who simultaneously does the two things, or
the multiple things if you count the base dealing that
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Otani does. Because as we said before, we know that
Ruth would have been a Hall of Famer as a
pitcher had he never switched to the outfield. But he
didn't really do the two simultaneously to any great extent,
though Tony has.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Do you remember when we were at the Mets Astros
playoff game and Pete Rose said to us we were
at the top of the steps, and he said, who
do you like today? Do you remember that?
Speaker 3 (43:17):
I do? I do?
Speaker 6 (43:19):
And you know I was telling Aaron Boone or just
having a conversation before the game. And you know Aaron
knew Pete from the time he was a little kid
because his dad, Bob Boone, was a Phillies.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
Teammate of Pete Rose.
Speaker 6 (43:31):
And you want to talk about six degrees of Kevin Bacon,
if you talk to Aaron Boone, you can connect into
just about everybody, including people from before the midpoint of
the twentieth century, because his grandfather broke it in nineteen
forty eight. So we're talking about Pete Rose, and it
occurred to me. I hadn't thought about this in a
very long time. It's around nineteen eighty one and I'm
just starting out with NBC and I'm standing in front
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of the Phillies dugout and Pete Rose is playing catch,
just warming up before the game, and he glances over
and he goes, I see you. You do the It
was Big ten basketball games, and I'm thinking, Wow, Pete
Rose knows who I am. But then a few years
later it dawned on me what that was really all about.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
He was betting on those Big ten games.
Speaker 6 (44:12):
Absolutely, what's the line on Michigan State Northwestern on a
Tuesday night in February?
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Did we put to bet? I don't know what we
accomplished with discussing Pete in his legacy and moving forward.
I don't know. It just felt like it was the
same story with Pete and it never changed.
Speaker 6 (44:32):
You know, I'm repeating myself here. Nobody's nominating Pete Rose
for Citizen of the Year. But not only was he
a truly great player. Just on the numbers, he's a
Hall of Fame caliber player, but he was so iconic
in the way he played the game in a bigger
than life personality and part of one of the great teams,
the Big Red Machine. And it's not just in the
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aftermath of his death. I've been saying this for more
than thirty years. Baseball should have made a distinction.
Speaker 5 (44:59):
Now.
Speaker 6 (44:59):
I know that technically it's the Board of Directors of
the Hall of Fame, but if any of the commissioners
had said, hey, come on, it's okay with us, that
would have influenced the Board of Directors. They could have
made a simple distinction. He is rightly banned from any
official part in baseball because he broke the cardinal rule,
but he's on the Hall of Fame ballot. People who
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poisoned the record books by taking steroids probably damaged the
game more than Pete Row has ever damaged the game.
They're on the ballot, whether they make it in or not,
they're on the ballot. And if he winds up getting
in posthumously, now it's almost like they're twisting the knife,
whether that's their intention or not. And I know that
there were unsavory things connected to Pete, but somebody got
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those forty two and fifty six base hits, and I've
always said you could put it at the bottom of
the plaque, along with all the achievements. Banned from baseball
in nineteen eighty nine for gambling, and in the immediate aftermath,
Fay Vincent, who succeeded Bartia Maadi and was one of
Bart's closest friends, if he had lifted that ban. In
terms of the Hall of Fame, that would have seemed
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too lenient. But as time went by, you get to
the turn of the century, I think everybody would have
grasped it eligible because of what he did. Historically eligible
for the Hall no longer officially connected to baseball.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
That's the punishment.
Speaker 6 (46:23):
And people who say, well, you know, baseball, like every
other sport, is now embraced gambling, so it's hypocritical. I
get that. Atmospherically that's a bad look, but it's still
the rule for any player. If you bet on a
game in which you're not involved in baseball, you can
bet on football or basketball. But if you bet on
a game that you're not involved in, automatic at least
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one game suspension, then you can one year suspension, then
you can apply for reinstatement.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
But if you bet on a game in.
Speaker 6 (46:51):
Which you are involved, including if you bet on your
own team, the rule is still exactly the same as
it's been for decades and decades.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
Lifetime banishment.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
But if he was in the Hall of Fame, do
you think if they found out that he gambled later,
would they have taken him out of the Hall of Fame.
Let's say just baseball wise, his career Hall of Famer.
Then he becomes a manager, let's say six years after
he's in the Hall of Fame, and then he's betting
on baseball. They find that out, would they have taken
him out of the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 6 (47:22):
But at that point he couldn't have managed in baseball.
By what I just suggested, he's banned from baseball.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
No, no, no, let's say no, they don't catch him. Oh
I think no. So he's in the Hall of Fame
for his playing career. He waits six years, the Reds
bring him in to be their manager. Then all of
a sudden, he bets on Baseball. Would they have taken
him out of the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
That's a tricky one. I guess not.
Speaker 6 (47:45):
But they might have altered the plaque, okay, to indicate,
you know, what the circumstances are for those who haven't
been to the Hall of Fame they think of Some
people think of that as just the plaque gallery. That's
part of it, but it's a much lower Argia museum.
And Pete Rose and Joe Jackson and all the supposed
steroid guys, they're all represented in terms of their place
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in baseball history throughout the museum, but it's the plaque
gallery where Pete Rose is missing. I mentioned this on
the air right after he died someplace or other. I
went to the Hall of Fame with Pete for a
piece for the Today Show sometime in the nineties, and
he had not set foot in the Hall of Fame
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since Barchiamatti had banned him. And at one point he
walked over to ty Cobb's plaque, and Pete was not
a reflective man at all, but in that moment you
could tell he was reflecting.
Speaker 3 (48:39):
And I actually backed.
Speaker 6 (48:40):
The way to give him some space, and you could
tell that he's looking at this plaque and saying, Hey,
I'm connected historically to this guy, this guy I never met.
I'm connected to Ty Cobb. Why am I not here
represented in this gallery? Well, the answer is mostly by
your own doing. But justice can be tempered with mercy.
(49:01):
I don't think if Pete Rose had gotten into the
Hall of Fame, let's say in two thousand and five,
twenty ten, and he had the plaque in the fashion
that I suggested, No little kid is going to walk
through the Hall of Fame with his dad look at
the plaque and say, gee, Dad, I guess it's okay.
Then if I get to the major leagues and I
bet on baseball, I mean, the cautionary tale is there.
Speaker 3 (49:24):
It was in the first paragraph of his obituary.
Speaker 6 (49:26):
And we knew that for decades that it would be
in the first paragraph of his obituary. He paid a
huge price, even if he was even it was by
his own doing, he paid a huge price.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Yeah. I did ask Johnny Bench after Pete died. I said,
you saw that segment. Yeah. I said, did you have
any idea if he was betting on baseball as a player,
And he said, well, I was told by the FBI,
you know, to stay away. I think the reason why
Pete is never going to be on the ballot it
is those those commissioners know that Pete Bett is a player,
(49:59):
and I, yeah, I think that that might be the
point of no return.
Speaker 3 (50:04):
You know that may be true.
Speaker 6 (50:06):
I asked Rob Manford in an interview a few years ago,
is there something that the general public and those of
us in the media pay attention to, what would know about?
Is there something that we don't know about that influences
this decision, something more damning than what we know, or
additionally damning to what we know. And Manford's answer was no.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
Yeah, I don't believe it. Don't believe it. I had
too many conversations with Bud Seelig where I just got it.
I got a sense that there was something there, and
I don't think Pete all of a sudden goes, Hey,
I'm just going to start gambling on baseball as a
manager and not as a player.
Speaker 6 (50:48):
Yeah, what you're saying is logical. Yeah, you don't know
the answer for sure, but it's certainly a logical question.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
Great to talk to you, safe travels to Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (50:56):
Thank you, Dr.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
But it's Bob costas u TNT, the exclusive home of
the Alds Alcs. Bob on the call with Ron Darling,
and that'll be coming up tomorrow in Game three in
Kansas City. You know, sometimes I get going with Bob
and I forget that I'm doing a show. You just talk.
(51:19):
It's and I'm lucky to have that relationship, but it's
just it's a conversation. The fact that he remembers that's
nineteen eighty six. We're at the top of the dugout
steps at Shay Stadium and Pete is there, and he
walks up to us and says, who do you like today?
That's a gambling language right there. That's what gamblers say,
(51:40):
who do you like today?
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox Sports.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Radio if you're just joining us. The Jets have fired
their head coach, Robert Salah. We bring in Larry Fitzgerald,
the future Hall of Famer. What do you make of
that decision to fire Robert Salay?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Dan, good to be on with you, appreciation you having me.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
It's uh surprising, you know, in the game in the
league that not much surprises you.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
That this this is not what I expected.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
I mean, this is not a team that's eminated, eliminated
from the playoffs. Yeah, you have a Hall of Fame
quarterback still back there, very capable, you know, defense that's
that's played somewhat decent, better than expected throughout the course
of the year.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
So I was just as surprised as everybody else when
I heard the news today.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Okay, but I don't know. Were you ever on a
team where coach got fired during the season?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
No?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Never, Okay, because I wonder, I mean, that's a drastic move.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I agree, I agree, and I don't. I don't.
Speaker 5 (00:59):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
I certainly believe that you can put your team in
a better position, you know, removing your head coach at
this point in the year unless there's somebody that we
don't know about on that staff that could really galvanize
this team and and you know, get them to perform
at a better level.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
But I just I just don't know if that's that's
truly possible.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
What do you think is going on with Devonte Adams?
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Like?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
How did this end poorly with the Raiders? After I
know that Derek Carr got sent to the Saint or
he went to the Saints and that's who he wanted
to play with, but now he wants out? How do
you think this plays out?
Speaker 4 (01:33):
I think you get to you to a point in
your career where you start looking around and you start
evaluating truthfully, like do I have a chance to win here?
You know, I'm a Hall of Fame receiver, you know, prolific,
most prolific player of my generation probably, and like.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I want to win. I want to win a championship.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
I want to play a meaningful games in November, December
or January and eventually have a chance to play in
the Super Bowl. And quite frankly, Dan, you would agree
with this. They just they don't have a don't have
that ability in uh in Las Vegas right now. And
you know, I understand that he wants to you want
to play medieval games.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, but did you face the same situation at any
point in your career with with Arizona.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Yeah, but I'm I'm, I'm, I'm I'm very different.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
You know, everybody handles these situations, you know, in a
way they feel his best for themselves, and so I
respect his desire to want to go, you know, be
on a contender.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
You know that's the way he chooses to do it.
And you know, I haven't. I have no no issues
with that.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
What's the uh, the magic that Mahomes is bringing where
it doesn't matter who's the receiver, Like, how does he
make that where? I know Brady did this as well,
where you just plug and play. But Mahomes, They're not
an offensive juggernaut, Larry, They're I mean, they're a defensive
minded team. And then you're kind of asking the offense, Hey,
(02:54):
can you get us like twenty one points? That'll be
enough for us to win games?
Speaker 6 (02:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
I don't know that.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Will work all year.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
They definitely need to play better and more consistent offensively.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
But I mean, I.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Know Andy Reid gets a lot of credit.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
I don't know if he gets enough, though, I don't
think he gets the love and admiration he truly deserves
for what he's able to put out there every single year.
I can't tell you the last time I watched the
game a team win when you know their best player
in Patmo does not throw a touchdown, you know, I mean, like,
are you like Patrick Mahomes did not throw a touchdown
and they won by ten?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Was it ten to thirteen points last week?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I mean like, yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Man, that's that's that's crazy to think about that.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
And and then you lose, you know, your most targeted
receiver to a knee injury a week ago, and you know,
then you Kareem Hunk comes in a rounds for one
hundred and Juju goes for one hundred and thirty.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
I mean, like it literally, it's just.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Whoever Andy Reid, those in the in the in the gulash,
whoever Andy Reid, those in the in the crock pot.
You know it's gonna come out and it's gonna be
smelling good.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
They might be calling you, when's the last time you
heard from the team winning A.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Long time ago? DP, I got I got, I got
nothing for you. I got nothing for you.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Need me on the golf team or to pick a
ball team or something like that. I got you.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
But okay, but who who reached out to you? How
long ago?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
This was the this was the.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Year after h you know, the last year I played.
I talked, I talked to the Chiefs, and you know,
I knew it was time. It was I had a
great run. You know, it was time to move on
to new endeavors.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Wait wait, wait the Chiefs. I mean you didn't have
enough to kind of do what you know Travis Kelsey's doing,
you know, grab a ring here.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
No, No, there's no guarantees in life.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
I mean I've seen guys go ring, chase and a
lot of different sports, and you know I remember Karl
Malone and Gary Payton going to the Lakers and chasing
the like. There's no there's no guarantee just because you're
on on a really good team that you're gonna win.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
And you know, I had a great had a great run,
and it was it was my time.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
He's Larry Fitzgeral, you up for the Hall of Fame
next year.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I believe so yes, you believe so yes, sir?
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yeah, I think you know so not believe So Larry
is joining us on behalf of DraftKings, offering the free
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(05:25):
research and support. So it's the free to play pink.
That's pink, not pick So you want to explain that
a little bit more, Did I do? Okay?
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Now, you always do look a great job.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
But DraftKings, I've been very fortunate to have a six
year relationship to this point. We raised over five hundred
thousand dollars in the month of October. My mother lost
her battle of breast cancer two thousand and three of
you know, my executive director of my foundation, Daniel Frost,
you know, just beat breast cancer.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I've had ads and a.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Lot of people close to me who would battle through this,
and you know, it's just something that I'm really passionate about,
and you know, it's really great that Draft Kings would
be on board to you know, stay in the fox
hole with me in our organization as we continue to
bring awareness to a hideous disease.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
What hurts on you nothing.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I've never had a surgery. Nothing. I wake up every
morning and you know I have no issues, no issues.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
How is that constable? You never had a surgery.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
I don't know. I don't know. I was fortunate, very
fortunately God looked over me.
Speaker 7 (06:30):
Dang.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah, that's important. I mean for as many catchers and
I'm looking here, you were really good at tackling people too.
I got a lot of tackles in your career for
a wide receiver, right.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Yeah, I did, you know, but that was always a
big emphasis for us. You know, if it was a
fumble or interception, we got to get the guy on
the ground. It didn't help me in the Super Bowl
agains James Harrison. But I didn't know I had to
tackle it.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Oh, no, didn't.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
I didn't know I had to tackle the man that
I don't know if he's ever tried to move refrigerator before, DP, Like,
you don't see. You don't seem like a guy who
who really does too much domestic work around the house,
But if you ever try to move a refrigerator, that's
that's what it felt like trying to hit James Harrison.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Okay, but there was this staffer who blocked you on
the sidelines when he made that interception in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
It was not a staffer. It was actually answer a role.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
And so when he won his Super Bowl with the Giants,
you know made me more mad because you know, he
stole mine.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Man got himself one.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Oh my god, what are you thinking though, you're chasing
James Harrison because the clock is winding down and the
half is going to end, and you're chasing him trying
to keep him from scoring.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
No. I knew I would be able to catch him.
I was gaining ground on him.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
I just didn't anticipate that I would have to run
through another block from somebody on my own team, you know,
So that that that part, that part hurt me.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
But you score that touchdown though in the second half.
Did you think you guys were winning the Super Bowl
when you're running in Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
I think momentum really shifted in our favor. And you
know that that touchdown, you know, really put us in
a really you know, positive position. So I thought it
would be enough. But you know, there's a reason Ben
Roethlisberger is the first better Hall of Famer, and you know,
Mike Thomas going to be a Hall of Famer and
you know, he had wanted a better office of coordinators
and Bruce Aaron's and they made a great play to
finish the game.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Larry just picked up the game of golf not too
long ago. And I think he might be a sandbagger.
He might, he might lie on his handicap a little bit.
But the most famous player a person I should say
that you've played golf with is who.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
I mean, I played with a lot of I was
the President Obama, I would say, is way up there.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
On that list. I mean I get a chance to play.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
With him, you know every year, I always, you know,
still kind of pinch myself. Tiger Woods and Michael jo
I seen those are those are a lot of fun
to play with him, so competitive and he learned so
much from him turn their mental approach.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Okay, but how much money are you playing for when
you play against Jordan?
Speaker 4 (09:11):
You know what, I try to keep it. I try
to keep it within the reason. You know, it's hard.
It's hard to gamble with billionaires, you know, whatever, whatever,
whatever numbers comfortable for him is grossly uncomfortable for you.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
You know.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
So what about Tiger did you play for money with Tiger.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
No, No, we didn't play. We didn't play for money.
He you know, he actually just likes to He likes
to just have a good time. He doesn't that necessarily
get into all the money games.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
But when you play against Barack Obama, they're secret Service
agents lining the fairway, aren't there.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Yeah? Then so I actually, uh, a few years ago,
I was playing with him. I made a hole and wanted.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
The group with him, and and you know I didn't.
Really My celebration was pretty subdued. Is because you know,
you see all the semi automatic I got, I got,
I got a golf club in my hand, and I'm
on Timothy away from him, Like there's a lot of
things that could go wrong very quickly. And so I
was like, okay, you know, I act like you've been there.
I want to act be my best Berry Standards impersonation.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Good to talk to you, Good luck with DraftKings, and
thanks for joining us.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Thank you have a great day.
Speaker 8 (10:13):
Man.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
That's Larry Fitzgerald, the former Cardinal wide receiver, third overall
pick back in four and made the Pro Bowl eleven times.
DraftKings offering free to play pinkham pools every NFL Sunday
in October DraftKings donating one dollar for the first twenty
thousand entries every week going to the Larry Fitzgerald Foundation
(10:34):
to fund breast cancer research and support. I once played
golf with the Governor Jesse Ventura, and we were in Minnesota. Well,
you play in their Secret Service guys lining the fairway,
and I would joke with Jesse Ventura. I'd be like,
you know what, your ball always seems to stay in bounds.
(10:58):
I Ke'd hit a shot and would go sideways, and
he always found it. Secret Service guy always found it.
And I mean, I'm not calling him a cheater, but
it felt like there was a home course advantage there
that he never hit the ball out of bounds and
be like, no, I'll be damn you found your ball, Huh.
I thought it went right in the middle of the lake.
(11:19):
Nope didn't. I go, Okay, man, it must be your day,
Must be your day. No didn't, Nope didn't. He was
a lot of fun though he was. He was a
sharp guy, fun, good opinions, strong opinions. Played with Ray
Allen and Dante Colepepper and Ray Ray's a really good player,
(11:43):
and Jesse was okay, but Dante Coulpepper shouldn't have been
out there. First of all, I didn't know that golf
was eighteen holes. He thought it was nine. And then
we got to the end of you know, the ninth hole,
and he was like, well, see you guys, we're like,
there's nine more holes, not for me. So he ended
(12:04):
up leaving.
Speaker 9 (12:05):
Yes, Pauline, do you think it would be fun and
relaxing to play with a president, former president or just
completely tense?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (12:13):
I can't imagine relaxing.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah, I don't think so it would be. I think
if you had a couple of beers and then you
were able to talk like that, because I I would
have a lot of questions, but I don't know if
I'm allowed to ask him.
Speaker 9 (12:31):
And can you even in the middle of a round
of golf, do you have to address it? Oh, that's
a great put, mister president. You wire to wire, it's
mister president.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Probably so yeah, A guy always thought Bill Clinton would
be a lot of fun. If I'm we're having beers
and I'm allowed to just talk freely, that that could
be interesting. What do you think of the raisor backstae right?
How about that win against Tennessee. Yeah, it's Todd. That
(13:00):
was my That was my Clinton, and you've been doing
your Donald Trump and person we're in.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
Competition with you. O.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
There, that was it what mine?
Speaker 5 (13:09):
No, his was that Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
That was I wasn't doing a pressure and here let
me do it again.
Speaker 7 (13:17):
Cracking.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
We don't like cracking. We do like cracking. We flip,
We flop. We sounds like.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
You're you're not doing an impersonation.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
We tend to flip. We flip one way, we flip
the other, flip your mind. I call her flipper because
she flipped. That's all I got.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
I think if we're watching you, it helps.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
It doesn't help.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Ready, Yes, you know.
Speaker 10 (13:45):
One of the things that really got me about Sausage
Off was like Todd, like, you can't hear what we're
all hearing. You can't hear that. That was the most
fascinating part to me that he couldn't figure out that
fork and falk weren't the same thing. And we kept
going on and on about it, and like, you can't
(14:05):
hear the difference there, You can't tell the difference. This
is the same thing to me where I'm like, tell
you you can't hear that you're not doing an impression.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
You're just talking.
Speaker 10 (14:14):
You're just you're just using your own normal voice.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
You can't hear that. Well he did the Olivia Newton
John tribute and didn't hear himself, not on you know time,
not on cue, not on I mean, you were a mess.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
It makes good sports radio asciation.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
You gotta answer it just right, you know what I mean,
don't google.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Let's just try to think it.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Tell yourself meantally.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Know what you're talking about, or get embarrassed.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
But this this was meant to be a very nice,
sweet tribute to Olivia Newton John.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
Huge in John. It was not supposed to end up
being a disrespectful goofy thing. I took it very seriously.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
When I thought, I know, I know, yes, still, I.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Think I've said it on the show before.
Speaker 11 (15:13):
There's nothing better than the big German goes, Hey, guys,
Fritzie needs to hear the music. He weeks goes, he
does hear the music, He goes, oh the never mind.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
And then we ask you, do you want to do
it again? And You're like, Nope, I think I nailed it.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
I don't really need to stay with the music.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
It's all about the words.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Music is just a little extra thing in the backgrounds conversation.
Everyone knows it's all about the lyrics, not the background
music the best or get embarrassed on.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Radio and TV.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
Got to speed up a little bit the syllables to
get that in the greatest moment.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
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(16:18):
opens tonight. Chiefs handled the Saints twenty six thirteen and
they stay undefeated. Here we'll all check in with the Colts.
Colts with the Jets coming up, as they've made a
decision with Robert Sala. They have decided to fire Robert Sala.
And here we are five games in, so we'll talk
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to somebody who covers the team. That'll be in a moment.
Last team to start five and OHO and miss the
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back to Robert Sala. He was fired about an hour ago.
Brian Costello covers the Jets for the New York Post
kind enough to join us on short notice. How did
we get to this point? Brian? Was he with us?
(17:23):
I don't think he's ready just yet.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Dan.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Oh, okay, all right, we'll get to Brian here coming
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Speaker 9 (17:34):
Know what's one weird thing. How tenuous was this? The
Jets lose to the Broncos by one point. They had
to comeback the other day and they lost by six.
So because of seven points, you fire your head coach,
because I don't think a four and one team fire
as a coach. I know it's a loss of a loss,
it doesn't feel that far away.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah, Se, But isn't he like twenty and thirty six? Yes,
that's the reason why I got fired. Well, let me
bring in Ian Costello covers the Jets for the New
York Post. How did we get to this point?
Speaker 7 (18:03):
Brian Dan, I'm still processing it, but you know, I
think this season there was such high expectations for the
Jets with Aaron Rodgers coming back, lots of super Bowl talk,
and they've looked. They looked bad the last two weeks.
You know, it was a one point lost to Denver,
and if Greg Zerline makes a fifty yard field goal,
maybe things are different. But they didn't. They had fifteen
(18:25):
penalties in that game. Thirteen Network accepted five fallse starts,
and you know, there's a clamoring there was. The fans
were starting to get restless, and I think Woody Johnson
listens to the fans. I think he spends a lot
of time on Twitter, and he has people in his
family that do and I think he you know this Sunday,
I also think Daniel can't overlook the game being in
(18:46):
London on Sunday. He was the ambassador of the United Kingdom.
He's got a lot of friends over there. I'm sure
he was embarrassed with the way they played and that
probably played a factor in this as well.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
So you're surprised.
Speaker 7 (18:59):
I'm surprised.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (19:00):
I look, I've been asked after last week. I was
asked a bunch of times by beat by people on
different shows and stuff. And you know, I thought they
have a stretch here where they have three standalone games
in a row. They were on an NFL network Sunday morning,
they play Monday Night Football this week against the Bills,
and then they play Sunday Night Football in Pittsburgh. So
that's three games where you have a national audience. I
(19:20):
said to people, if they lose those three games, then
I think he's in trouble, because that then it's you know,
all the morning shows are talking about him, everyone's talking
about it. Then I think something could happen. But again,
the Jets haven't changed coaches mid season since nineteen seventy
six when Lou Holtz quit, so this is not like
and they've had you know, Rich Kotite was the coach
they went one to fifteen. Adam Gase was the coach.
(19:42):
They were oh and thirteen to start that season. Todd
Bowles last season, there was clear there was calls for
them to fire him mid season. Everyone knew he was gone,
and it hasn't happened. So this is this is surprising
because the Jets, this is not the way they've operated
in a long long time.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
I wondered, if you fire Robert Sala, if you're still
going to try to get Davante Adams, like, I don't
know if those two are connected or not.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
Brian, Yeah, I don't see a connection there. DeVante doesn't
know Sala. I mean, Davante's tie to the Jets is
obvious with the quarterback, so that's that's the tie. And
I don't think this changes anything in terms of John
DeVante Adams. Yeah, I don't think. I don't think that's
related in I think this is just purely about what
what Woody Johnson's seen the last couple of weeks on
the field.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Well, I didn't know if they would not fire him,
they'd given the benefit of the doubt, if they were
going to bring in Davonte Adams.
Speaker 7 (20:31):
So yeah, yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not sure if
that I think this is I think the DeVante Adams
thinking is more than Joe Joe Douglas negotiating that right now,
this this is Whatody Johnson deciding to move on from Sala.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
Man, this is crazy.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
But we shouldn't be surprised. But we are surprised. Why
is that? It's the Jets?
Speaker 7 (20:48):
Well, i mean, Dan, if you had me on nine
days ago, right, they beat the Patriots on Thursday Night football,
they look good, right, Rogers, Rogers was Rogers. He was
controlling it. Everyone's like, oh, going to the super Bowl.
Here they go. They hit their stride, they figured it out.
I mean, Dad, we were asking questions that week before
the Broncos game of you know, do you guys have
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to him a prosperity Well here like, do you guys
not have to get big ends. We were literally asking
these questions in the locker room two weeks ago, and
now he's fired, Like it's this league. Is the NFL
is insane? Which is how weak the week it is?
And you know, obviously there was a case to be
made that Sala should have been fired last year. Yeah, right,
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but he got kind of got a mulligan because Aaron
Rodgers missed the whole season and they brought him back.
But you could tell talking to Woody Johnson. We talked
to him at NFL Honors before the Super Bowl. He
was basically saying, like, this is it, Like this is
your last chance, and so I think he entered on
shaky ground and then things just got shaky in the
last two weeks here.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
How do you think the players are going to react
to this.
Speaker 7 (21:52):
I talked to a couple this morning. They're pretty surprised
right now. They didn't see this coming. You know, players
are pretty resilient and not much phases them, So I
think I don't think it's changed as much. Dan. That's
my issue with this is the offense has been the problem. Yeah,
solves a defensive coach. The defense gave up ten points
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to the Broncos. They gave up sixteen points to the Vikings.
One touchdown was a pick six, Right, So the defense
hasn't been the problem. The offense has been the problem.
What does this change offensively? You've now made the defensive
coordinator who basically designed the defense, along with Salah the
head coach. You maybe a change in voice helps. But
to me, Dan, this is a ten and seven team.
You know, that's what I thought coming in the season.
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I still think they can go ten and seven, and
now it's but now you know, if they win a
few games in a row, it's gonna be oh well,
oh brick did it where? I just I just don't
think this changes much.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Do you think Whatdy Johnson gave Aaron Rodgers a heads
up before this happened?
Speaker 7 (22:47):
Yeah, that's the that's the question right now that I
have I would think he probably would have, but I
don't know that for sure right now, but I think
if he didn't run it by him that that's an
interesting decision.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
You always have drama in your job. Is that a
good thing? That you always have drama?
Speaker 7 (23:07):
It gives me job security, Dan, I'll say that. You know,
this beats never boring. When the New York Post makes
the list of jobs maybe we can get, maybe we
can live without this one, Jets Beat is not on
that list, so uh yeah, but it's it's you know,
I just texted my wife. I said, the plans have
changed for the week different.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Thank you, Brian, Thanks Dan. That's Brian Costello Jets Beat
reporter for the New York Post. Yeah, you got drama.
You don't have high highs, like like if you're covering
some of these teams that get a chance to go
to the Super Bowl or an NFC title game or
AFC title game. With the Jets, there's always going to
be a storyline. The question is is it going to
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be a positive storyline. I remember being around the Jets
when Mark Gastenov was there and they were a good team.
You know, Ken O'Brien, but the Giants were a better
team at the time. But they had uh, Marty Lines
and Joe Klecko. They had a really good defensive line.
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Freeman McNeil, al Toon was really good, Wesley Walker, they
were I mean they they were close to being a
really good team. And uh so there wasn't really drama
back then. I think Joe Walton was the head coach.
But I think that's the first time I was around
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Richard Todd, So I was never around when Namath. I
wasn't covering them. I wasn't old enough to be covering
them back then. It started in the early eighties, but
I remember Gastoneau was always a storyline because he was
he was dating Brigitte Nielsen really yes, yes, and he
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had I think he had a Rolls Royce and he
was a big deal. He wasn't well like by his teammates.
I mean, I thought Joe Kleco was the heart and
soul of that team. He was one of my favorite players.
But you know, you're out there covering these teams and
you kind of juxtapose that with the Giants, with Bill Parce, Sells.
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Belichick was there, you got lt you got you know,
Phil Simms, Joe Morris, but the Jets were holding their own.
You know, they just couldn't they couldn't get over that hump.
The Giants, of course won the Super Bowl. Yes, Pung.
Speaker 9 (25:30):
It's such an awkward week to do it, because now
you have a standalone Monday night football game versus Buffalo
for the media just chop it up, preview the game.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
But you don't want him to win his way out
of this. If you're planning on firing him, I guess
that you're going to have these standalone games. They can
lose all three of these and then you can go, Okay,
Now if he wins two or three, you're like, I
don't know if we can fire him after a win
against Pittsburgh. Yeah.
Speaker 10 (25:59):
See, it's almost like that's why you fired him this
week is because you have a standalone game coming up,
and as ownership, you could be like, see fans, we're trying.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Oh, I mean, it's all pr right. It starts from
the top. I mean it's it does now? Does Rogers tuesdays?
Does he talk or is that with McAfee or is
that both?
Speaker 9 (26:26):
Usually the quarterback speaks either Tuesday or Wednesday to the
gathered media, and he also has his obligation with the McAfee.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
I mean, Rodgers has to answer some of these questions. Aaron,
why did you have your coach fired?
Speaker 5 (26:38):
Who word? Did the code red?
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Aaron? The defense has been great, the offense has been terrible,
which is true. Robert Salad doesn't have anything to do
with the offense. Oh man, what a mess? What a mess?
Chris and Pennsylvania. Hi, Chris, what's on your mind?
Speaker 8 (26:58):
Hey you good morning? So Rogers. You know he's getting
a lot of blame here, But what happened to the
running game. Let's talk about brief Hall and Braylen Allen Man,
they just like both disappeared the last two games.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Yeah, but I think this is more systemic with that
that You're right. Should they have a better running game? Yeah,
they should have a better offense. You know, if you
have a better passing game, you can have a better
running game, and vice versa. They just they haven't. It
hadn't synced up yet. There's plenty of blame to go around.
There always is with the Jets. Dave and san Antonio. Hi, Dave,
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what's on your mind?
Speaker 6 (27:36):
Hey?
Speaker 8 (27:36):
Good morning guys.
Speaker 12 (27:37):
I hate to take us off topics here for a second,
but I'm dropping my kid off. I get home a
little bit earlier than usual. I put on Dan Patrick
on peacock. I'm watching Marvin shoot baskets and I'm looking
at Marvin shoot baskets and I'm like, what is going
on here?
Speaker 7 (27:55):
Man?
Speaker 8 (27:55):
Marvin Like, whether's don't shoot like that?
Speaker 7 (27:58):
Dan?
Speaker 8 (27:58):
I know you're a shooter.
Speaker 7 (27:59):
Man.
Speaker 8 (27:59):
You have been out there with Marvin, help him on
the on the court. You got to help my brother out.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
He'd never asked for help. I always wait if somebody
asks for help, then I'll help them. And Marvin hasn't
asked for help with shooting. Do you need help? Do I?
Speaker 5 (28:17):
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Okay, so then I'm not going to help you. But
if you said to me, I setan, I didn't notice
something with Seaton where he was shooting and he would
move he would move it off his head to his side,
and I said, no, just keep it on the side.
Don't move it from the head to the side, because
it's taking longer to get your shot off. That was all.
It's just a nice Hey, I noticed this, But I
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don't want to give you a tutorial on shooting.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
You know what, during the break help me.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
I'll need more time than that.
Speaker 10 (28:51):
The break after that you want to start a service
where you people send in videos and then you break
down their form. It's like, uh, well, charge like a
a monthly fee for it or something.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
You know what. I have to do this Happy Gilmore thing,
so I don't have time right now. I found out
I'm in two scenes with Happy Gilmore, and I think
I'm shooting my scenes here, I think, but I don't know.
I just heard from Samdler this morning and he said, Danny,
you're gonna need a wardrobe change for two scenes. And
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I said, okay, so I'll find out exactly what that is.
But look, if I can help I mean I took
time out to help Ray Allen when he came in a.
Speaker 9 (29:36):
Little late, though he'd already played a couple thousand games.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I don't think it's ever too late. I'm still trying
to perfect my shot, and we'll always try to perfect
my shot. I even want to hit the rim. I
want the net, and then I don't even want the
net to move. Marvin, I don't know if I can
help you if you don't want to be that great
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like you coulda want it, and if not, I'm not
wasting my time anymore.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
You know what I want it?
Speaker 2 (30:06):
No, I didn't believe that at all.
Speaker 5 (30:08):
Oh, it's all let's move logs.
Speaker 11 (30:11):
I don't know what it's gonna do about helping my shot,
but we're gonna move logs.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Yes, falling.
Speaker 9 (30:16):
I just saw a video. Reggie Miller's fifty nine years old.
He posted a video of him just jacking from deep No.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Problem, no, no problem, nope. And you know those who
have it have it and they never lose it. It's
just it's it's magic in your hand. But it's a
small fraternity of us that you know, it just never leaves.
Show us a handshaked in no can't You almost tricked
me into showing you the secret handshake, because if I
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see Steph Curry, I just give him the nod and
then he knows it's time for the secret handshake. And
I hope Klay Thompson gets back in the fraternity, you know,
I hope. So did you see where Luca bet one
of his teammates. I think it was one hundred thousand dollars.
This was during this is like a couple of days ago,
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that he would make a full court shot. They had
like some fan past or something, and Luca made it
for one hundred thousand dollars. Did you see that? I
don't know, maybe you didn't see the video, but it is.
It's pretty funny. It is wild. Yeah, but I think
I don't know what the bet was. So Luca is
gonna make a hundred thousand, but uh, I think one
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of his younger teammates cost him one hundred large Derek Lively, Yes, yeah, yeah,
And you could see his reaction when Luca makes a
full court shot. It's like, damn, yeah, Pauline.
Speaker 9 (31:43):
Luca's underneath the opposing basket about three feet out. Yeah,
he doesn't even step up. It's like a hook shot
you would do in horse in your backyard, but from
eighty five feet.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Probably further thing. Yeah, yeah, for one hundred thousand dollars,
Let me take a break, Bob Costas he will join us.
Coming up next. More of your phone calls as well.
We're back after this and the Dan Patrick Show.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
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Speaker 2 (32:20):
This is the first time since the division series were
added in nineteen ninety five that all four series are
tied at a game apiece after two games. You got
baseball coming up later on today you got the Phillies
and the Mets, and then you got Dodgers of the
Padres coming up at nine Eastern. Bob Costas on the
call for the Yankees game with the Kents City Royals,
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MLB network host and Hall of Fame sportscaster. When the
playoffs started, Bob, a couple of baseball writers said all
twelve teams could win the World Series. You feel the
same way when that happened, when that started.
Speaker 6 (32:56):
Well, all twelve teams have a shot to win a
given series. And as I said to you before, if
when the playoffs start under this format, you could take
any team you want from either league and I take
the field, I'd like my chances because so many good teams,
one hundred win teams have been knocked out. Especially treacherous
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is the division series round with the odd number of
off days, so a lesser team can get by, maybe
with only two good starters. Detroit may get by with
only one good starter, but he's the best pitcher in baseball,
best starter in baseball this year. Once you get to
the LCS, it's a more legitimate test. But think about
last year. The Diamondbacks knock off the Dodgers, a team
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that finished sixteen games ahead of them in the same division.
They get all the way through to the World Series.
The team they meet, the Texas Rangers, is in effective
wildcard team. They tied the Astros for first place, but
there was a tiebreaker, so they had to play in
the wildcard round. So both those teams had to play
in the Wildcard round. They both made it to the
World Series, where they the best teams in their respective
leagues over the course of the season. No, but the
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days of an old Pennant Race, win it, or even
the old LCS win the division, have to finish first,
go to the LCS. That's the one thing that you
get to the World Series. Those days are behind us.
There's a lot of pluses to this. I mean, there's
been a lot of great games, and I've had a
lot of people say, you know, it just almost feels
like March madness in a sense. I'm watching four games
at once, and we're going around with the highlights that
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everybody's got a shot and there are interesting things happening,
and that's what Baseball wanted. And even if you're not
among the twelve teams, there were enough teams close enough
into the last week or so to keep their fan
bases engaged. That's the trade off. Or you're going to
always get the purest matchup between the two best teams
in the league. No, in fact, I would think less
often than not that would happen. But there are upsides
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to the setup too.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
I love the best of three. I just it created tension, immediacy.
Each game mattered, and maybe it's not fair, but I
always feel like if you got one hundred and sixty
two games to alter your course, there and if it
comes down to this, and you know, some of these
teams had all three home games if they got to that,
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so I was fine with it. I don't want all
the playoff series like that. Where do you stand on that?
Speaker 6 (35:14):
Well, the difference between baseball and other sports has to
be taken into account. Baseball plays one hundred and sixty
two twice as many as the NHL and the NBA,
and roughly ten times as many. Did I say the
NHL and NBA, Yes, I did, and roughly ten times.
I didn't get much sleep last night, Dan, I got
to get on a plane to Kansas City. I'm a
little groggy, but ten times as much as the NFL,
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and so there's a legitimate feeling that you want to
honor what happens over the course of that long season.
Playoff qualifying seems different in baseball. That doesn't mean that
this format is bad, but almost any format, if you
want that many teams to be in it is going
to be imperfect to one extent or another. But this
one does yield some excitement in the early rounds, no question.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
And I love that Detroit is in. I watched almost
all of that game yesterday Schooble is I mean dominating. Yeah,
And you know, I just it's a young team. Aj
Hinch gets a chance to, you know, come back Kansas City.
Although they won in what twenty fifteen, they're still I mean,
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I love that. Then you get the Padres and the Dodgers.
That feels like Yankees in Red Sox. Yeah, you know.
So there there's a lot of matchups, a lot of
fun things. And then you throw in the Phillies in
the Mets And it doesn't matter if it's exhibition, you know,
spring training or you know, or a playoff. So that
that I think the match I think Baseball's had a
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really good year this year.
Speaker 6 (36:46):
I think so too, with historic performances by Otani and Judge.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Judge continues to struggle in the postseason.
Speaker 6 (36:54):
That's another subplot in all of this, and Bobby Witt
Junior emerging as one of the best all round players
in recent seasons. There's a lot to.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Like in this baseball season.
Speaker 6 (37:04):
And to your point earlier, the Padres and the Dodgers
feels like a real rivalry. It felt like that before
the game on Sunday night. Then you've got people throwing stuff,
which you can't applaud at Profar and then apparently Manny
Machado tossed a baseball in the direction of Dave Roberts,
and Roberts is a pretty even keel guy, but he
said it had some mustard on it, and I found
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it to be disrespectful. So the atmosphere is for Games
three and four in San Diego should be pretty raucous
as well, as long as everybody stays in their seats
and yells the screams as much as they want, but
doesn't do anything more than that. But you know, they
play in the same division, just like the Tigers and
the Guardians do in the same division. The Mets and
the Phillies in the same division, so there's that familiarity
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with all the games played during the regular season. And
now they meet again in October, and because of the proximity,
you're going to have even more visiting fans if they
can score a ticket somehow, visiting fans in the other
team's ballpark.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
In fact, I said to Ron Darling.
Speaker 6 (38:04):
During Game one, this is the only series where a
plane ride is required between New York and Kansas City.
I think they should go old school and take a
train and everybody wears suspenders and smokes cigars and reads
the Sporting News and it's in black and white, and
it looks like a scene out of the natural.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Would you be willing to take a train today to
Kansas City, Bob.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
Absolutely not, even the club car on a cello.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
I'm not going that far. We've tried to put Otani's
season in perspective, and you know, I'm looking at a
hitter and a hitter in a regular season. The only
other you know, that moment where he has the three homers, like,
is that the greatest game ever for a hitter? And
I still brought it even though it's two games. Ted
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Williams on that final day when he could have sat
out and he played both ends of the double header
and batted four oh six, that's the only thing that
I thought might be a comparison to that.
Speaker 6 (39:04):
Your thoughts, well, I think of the Sandberg game forty
years ago on the NBC Game of the Week, when
Ryan Samberg went five for six and hit two homers,
last ditch homers off Bruce Suitor. They used relief pitchers differently,
and I think White Herzog had Suitor in there for
at least three innings. So Sandberg homers to tie it
on the ninth. He homers again in the tenth with
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two out to tie it again and was immediately dubbed
the Sandberg Game. And that's what people around Chicago still
referred to it as. And it was on a national
broadcast when the game of the week was something different
than it is now, when you have so many ways
to access baseball. Fred Lynn had a game during his
Rookie of the Year MVP year in seventy five for
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the Red Sox where he hit three home runs and
had ten RBIs at Tiger Stadium. But what Otani did here,
and then, of course, if you think of something happening
in the World Series, you think of Reggie Jackson hitting
three home runs in a deciding World Series game, it's
more meaningful. I think of some of the games that
George Brett had. He had a three homer game every
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homer off Catfish Hunter in the LCS in either seventy
seven or seventy eight, And he had another game in
eighty five where he had two homers, a double and
a single and the double hit the top of the
wall against Toronto. Brett is one of the all time
great postseason performers. The thing about this, though, is not
only did he have five hits and three home runs
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and he almost had the cycle, he was thrown out
a third trying to stretch a double. He had two doubles,
so he's thrown out a third, could have had the cycle.
And he passed both milestones. He passed the fifty and
the fifty in the same game. So I think that
this has elements that surrounded. You could look at others
and say, I can make a case for this or that,
but for now Otani will.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Do Could he be underrated?
Speaker 3 (40:51):
I don't know how he could be underrated. He's been
certainly celebrated.
Speaker 6 (40:55):
People will interpret what I'm about to say wrongly, but
it would be a great thing for baseball in the
big picture. If Otani, who never played in a playoff
game with the Angels, if Otani got to the World Series,
and if Judge snapped out of it and hit a
few homers on the way to the World Series, and
you got Yankees Dodgers, not just because of the markets,
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but because these are the two players who's the casual
fan is immediately recognizable. You can grasp what they've done,
you can grasp that they're both historic players. Now, I
know that you will have comments saying, oh, it's a
big market bias. Hey, if the Tigers make it, If
Kansas City plays the Tigers or the Guardians and the LCS,
that's good for baseball in its own way. But if
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you're just looking for a big boost in World Series ratings,
you got the combination of the markets and the two
marquee players that would be the best in that respect
for baseball.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Well, when I say underrated, because we didn't know that
he was capable of stealing sixty bases and even the
pitching part of it. That'll come back next year and
he probably won't come close to these numbers. He won't
be running the bases this way, but it's almost like
I can't do that. I'm going to show you something
else that I can do.
Speaker 6 (42:09):
Yeah, this year, minus the pitching, kind of liberated him
to run the bases. And maybe it accounts for a
portion of what he's done at the plate because he
doesn't have as much stress on his body and on
his attentions. Maybe, But as everyone has said, and it's true,
he's a unicorn. Is he the greatest player you can
make a case for many others. But is he the
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most talented player, certainly that I've ever seen. Will He
is not to say that he's a greater all round
player than Willie Mays. I mean, he's never played the
field to any significant extent. He's a dh But we've
never seen someone who simultaneously does the two things, or
the multiple things if you count the base dealing that
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Otani does. Because as we said before, we know that
Ruth would have been a Hall of Famer as a
pitcher had he never switched to the outfield. But he
didn't really do the two simultaneously to any great extent,
though Tony has.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Do you remember when we were at the Mets Astros
playoff game and Pete Rose said to us we were
at the top of the steps, and he said, who
do you like today? Do you remember that?
Speaker 3 (43:17):
I do? I do?
Speaker 6 (43:19):
And you know I was telling Aaron Boone or just
having a conversation before the game. And you know Aaron
knew Pete from the time he was a little kid
because his dad, Bob Boone, was a Phillies.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
Teammate of Pete Rose.
Speaker 6 (43:31):
And you want to talk about six degrees of Kevin Bacon,
if you talk to Aaron Boone, you can connect into
just about everybody, including people from before the midpoint of
the twentieth century, because his grandfather broke it in nineteen
forty eight. So we're talking about Pete Rose, and it
occurred to me. I hadn't thought about this in a
very long time. It's around nineteen eighty one and I'm
just starting out with NBC and I'm standing in front
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of the Phillies dugout and Pete Rose is playing catch,
just warming up before the game, and he glances over
and he goes, I see you. You do the It
was Big ten basketball games, and I'm thinking, Wow, Pete
Rose knows who I am. But then a few years
later it dawned on me what that was really all about.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
He was betting on those Big ten games.
Speaker 6 (44:12):
Absolutely, what's the line on Michigan State Northwestern on a
Tuesday night in February?
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Did we put to bet? I don't know what we
accomplished with discussing Pete in his legacy and moving forward.
I don't know. It just felt like it was the
same story with Pete and it never changed.
Speaker 6 (44:32):
You know, I'm repeating myself here. Nobody's nominating Pete Rose
for Citizen of the Year. But not only was he
a truly great player. Just on the numbers, he's a
Hall of Fame caliber player, but he was so iconic
in the way he played the game in a bigger
than life personality and part of one of the great teams,
the Big Red Machine. And it's not just in the
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aftermath of his death. I've been saying this for more
than thirty years. Baseball should have made a distinction.
Speaker 5 (44:59):
Now.
Speaker 6 (44:59):
I know that technically it's the Board of Directors of
the Hall of Fame, but if any of the commissioners
had said, hey, come on, it's okay with us, that
would have influenced the Board of Directors. They could have
made a simple distinction. He is rightly banned from any
official part in baseball because he broke the cardinal rule,
but he's on the Hall of Fame ballot. People who
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poisoned the record books by taking steroids probably damaged the
game more than Pete Row has ever damaged the game.
They're on the ballot, whether they make it in or not,
they're on the ballot. And if he winds up getting
in posthumously, now it's almost like they're twisting the knife,
whether that's their intention or not. And I know that
there were unsavory things connected to Pete, but somebody got
(45:47):
those forty two and fifty six base hits, and I've
always said you could put it at the bottom of
the plaque, along with all the achievements. Banned from baseball
in nineteen eighty nine for gambling, and in the immediate aftermath,
Fay Vincent, who succeeded Bartia Maadi and was one of
Bart's closest friends, if he had lifted that ban. In
terms of the Hall of Fame, that would have seemed
(46:08):
too lenient. But as time went by, you get to
the turn of the century, I think everybody would have
grasped it eligible because of what he did. Historically eligible
for the Hall no longer officially connected to baseball.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
That's the punishment.
Speaker 6 (46:23):
And people who say, well, you know, baseball, like every
other sport, is now embraced gambling, so it's hypocritical. I
get that. Atmospherically that's a bad look, but it's still
the rule for any player. If you bet on a
game in which you're not involved in baseball, you can
bet on football or basketball. But if you bet on
a game that you're not involved in, automatic at least
(46:45):
one game suspension, then you can one year suspension, then
you can apply for reinstatement.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
But if you bet on a game in.
Speaker 6 (46:51):
Which you are involved, including if you bet on your
own team, the rule is still exactly the same as
it's been for decades and decades.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
Lifetime banishment.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
But if he was in the Hall of Fame, do
you think if they found out that he gambled later,
would they have taken him out of the Hall of Fame.
Let's say just baseball wise, his career Hall of Famer.
Then he becomes a manager, let's say six years after
he's in the Hall of Fame, and then he's betting
on baseball. They find that out, would they have taken
him out of the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 6 (47:22):
But at that point he couldn't have managed in baseball.
By what I just suggested, he's banned from baseball.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
No, no, no, let's say no, they don't catch him. Oh
I think no. So he's in the Hall of Fame
for his playing career. He waits six years, the Reds
bring him in to be their manager. Then all of
a sudden, he bets on Baseball. Would they have taken
him out of the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
That's a tricky one. I guess not.
Speaker 6 (47:45):
But they might have altered the plaque, okay, to indicate,
you know, what the circumstances are for those who haven't
been to the Hall of Fame they think of Some
people think of that as just the plaque gallery. That's
part of it, but it's a much lower Argia museum.
And Pete Rose and Joe Jackson and all the supposed
steroid guys, they're all represented in terms of their place
(48:07):
in baseball history throughout the museum, but it's the plaque
gallery where Pete Rose is missing. I mentioned this on
the air right after he died someplace or other. I
went to the Hall of Fame with Pete for a
piece for the Today Show sometime in the nineties, and
he had not set foot in the Hall of Fame
(48:28):
since Barchiamatti had banned him. And at one point he
walked over to ty Cobb's plaque, and Pete was not
a reflective man at all, but in that moment you
could tell he was reflecting.
Speaker 3 (48:39):
And I actually backed.
Speaker 6 (48:40):
The way to give him some space, and you could
tell that he's looking at this plaque and saying, Hey,
I'm connected historically to this guy, this guy I never met.
I'm connected to Ty Cobb. Why am I not here
represented in this gallery? Well, the answer is mostly by
your own doing. But justice can be tempered with mercy.
(49:01):
I don't think if Pete Rose had gotten into the
Hall of Fame, let's say in two thousand and five,
twenty ten, and he had the plaque in the fashion
that I suggested, No little kid is going to walk
through the Hall of Fame with his dad look at
the plaque and say, gee, Dad, I guess it's okay.
Then if I get to the major leagues and I
bet on baseball, I mean, the cautionary tale is there.
Speaker 3 (49:24):
It was in the first paragraph of his obituary.
Speaker 6 (49:26):
And we knew that for decades that it would be
in the first paragraph of his obituary. He paid a
huge price, even if he was even it was by
his own doing, he paid a huge price.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Yeah. I did ask Johnny Bench after Pete died. I said,
you saw that segment. Yeah. I said, did you have
any idea if he was betting on baseball as a player,
And he said, well, I was told by the FBI,
you know, to stay away. I think the reason why
Pete is never going to be on the ballot it
is those those commissioners know that Pete Bett is a player,
(49:59):
and I, yeah, I think that that might be the
point of no return.
Speaker 3 (50:04):
You know that may be true.
Speaker 6 (50:06):
I asked Rob Manford in an interview a few years ago,
is there something that the general public and those of
us in the media pay attention to, what would know about?
Is there something that we don't know about that influences
this decision, something more damning than what we know, or
additionally damning to what we know. And Manford's answer was no.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
Yeah, I don't believe it. Don't believe it. I had
too many conversations with Bud Seelig where I just got it.
I got a sense that there was something there, and
I don't think Pete all of a sudden goes, Hey,
I'm just going to start gambling on baseball as a
manager and not as a player.
Speaker 6 (50:48):
Yeah, what you're saying is logical. Yeah, you don't know
the answer for sure, but it's certainly a logical question.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
Great to talk to you, safe travels to Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (50:56):
Thank you, Dr.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
But it's Bob costas u TNT, the exclusive home of
the Alds Alcs. Bob on the call with Ron Darling,
and that'll be coming up tomorrow in Game three in
Kansas City. You know, sometimes I get going with Bob
and I forget that I'm doing a show. You just talk.
(51:19):
It's and I'm lucky to have that relationship, but it's
just it's a conversation. The fact that he remembers that's
nineteen eighty six. We're at the top of the dugout
steps at Shay Stadium and Pete is there, and he
walks up to us and says, who do you like today?
That's a gambling language right there. That's what gamblers say,
(51:40):
who do you like today?
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