November 25, 2024 • 33 mins
On today's Dan Patrick Show, DP discusses Saquon Barkley's chances at winning NFL MVP after a big Sunday Night football performance. FOX's Greg Olsen recaps the Commanders loss to the Cowboys, and Rick Neuheisel explains which teams are still in the hunt to make the playoffs.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I was thinking this as I was driving in What
was more chaotic over the weekend? Was it the college
football or the NFL? And you'd have an argument for both.
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by to take your phone calls. We will have our
best and worst of the weekend coming up. Also, we'll
play the game fill in the blank as well. So
the Lions are now ten and one, the Chiefs are
ten and one. They have gone about those records in
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different fashions. As Patrick Mahomes said after the game, it'd
be nice to win without having to win on the
final play of a game. Give credit to the Panthers.
Bryce Young, I thought handled himself admirably. The Lions. They
continue to separate themselves in the NFC for blowing out people.
But don't look too far ahead if you're the lines,
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because the Eagles are right behind you. The Eagles rolled
over the Rams last night. Saquon Barkley had a wonderful game,
and I was wondering about that. It's a quarterback driven league.
MVP is a quarterback driven award. You have to go
back a long time to Adrian Peterson went a running
back won the MVP. So I thought, okay, after that
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performance by Saquon Barkley standalone game Sunday night.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
And what are his odds to win the MVP.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
If you said Josh Allen has better odds, you'd be correct.
Lamar Jackson has better odds, you'd be correct. The third
best odds are Saquon Barkley. So Josh Allen, I said
it last week, it's his to lose plus one fifty,
Lamar Jackson plus two seventy five, Saquon Barkley plus five hundred.
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Then it's Jared Goff and Patrick Mahomes. Saquon Barkley is
I would say invaluable, but he is valuable to what
we're seeing with the Eagles. I just don't know if
you can define it. We know what a quarterback, an
MVP quarterback looks like and plays like. We forget what
an MVP running back runs like. Or plays like, and
(02:19):
Saquon Barkley should be second on this list, in front
of Lamar Jackson. I think the Eagles are a better
team than the Ravens. I think Saquon Barkley has been
a difference maker. They don't have to rely on Jalen Hurtz,
who can be sporadic, he can throw twenty times. But
you have Saquon Barkley. Now, he's got a great offensive line.
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That I mean, that's a really good team. And I
think what's happening is we get caught up in looking
at the Lions. We love the story of the Lions.
We've already seen the Eagles in a Super Bowl. Don't
forget about what the Eagles are doing. They are a
really good team. I don't know, if there's a great team,
Lions would probably be on the cusp of that. I
don't know if we have great teams, but we have
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some pretty good ones. And don't forget about the Eagles.
So Saquon Barkley had a wonderful night and it's one
of those where here we go, let's troll the Giants. Hey,
Saquon Barkley, you couldn't use him, huh. Saquon would not
be Saquon with the Giants this year. They're a bad team,
might be the worst team in the NFL. We've said
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it many, many times. They made the mistake of doubling
down on Daniel Jones, who's now free to Rome. He
ain't go anywhere he wants, and I know there was
immediate speculation, well what if he went to the Cowboys
and then had a couple of days to get ready
for the Giants on Thanksgiving? And I go, I like
it for content purposes, but I would think Jerry Jones
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would want to stay with Cooper Rush like him. Are
you bringing in Daniel Jones just for one game? Because
I would stay with Cooper Rush here. But you know,
Cooper Rush played well yesterday. I mean it was a
wild game, crazy game, special teams nightmare for the Commanders.
And do not do this, especially James in Virginia. Don't
(04:09):
start being bummed out here. If I would have told
you this is where the Commanders would be when the
season started, you would have signed up for it. Even
with three losses in a row, they have played well,
They have played competitively, and yes, was that a nightmare finish?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
It was and they should have won that game.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I mean, that's one of those games that we might
look back on and say that cost them a playoff spot.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yes, Marvin, yeah, the front row.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
We're throwing a flag on that.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Whoa.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
If you start out seventy two and you don't make
the playoffs, it'd be different if they're going back and
forth and they're all right, they win here, they lose here,
they win here, they lose here. But if you start
out seventy two and you lose three straight and you
ended up missing the playoff game, excuse me, missing the
playoffs by half a game or a game, You're going
to be really disappointed.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
You'll be disappointed, I'm saying, don't be disappointed because your
team is relevant.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
You found your quarterback.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Your quarterback is banged up, Daniel Sneyder is a distant memory,
got great uniforms.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
You got a young team. Dan Quinn's done a really
nice job. Yes. Should you beat in the Cowboys?
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yes, that to me was an embarrassing loss from the
standpoint of.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Who Dallas didn't have. So you got a backup quarterback.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
I mean, you're missing so many players and you can't
beat them at home, but what a wild fourth quarter?
So Greg Olsen will join us. He was on the
call yesterday. He'll join us. Coming up next hour college
football crazy. I don't even know where to start or
end with college football, but Rick Neuheisel will join us.
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whole question for hour one is going to be what, well.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
We got one here from Paul, We collectively as a
country should be talking.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
More about dot dot dot fill in the blank.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Oh okay, so that's going to be coming up, because
when you said we, I thought you were talking about
a Fritzi and as.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Broncos's we haven't gotten anything from Todd, I would imagine
tomorrow because tomorrow would be more like Tuesday, the Thursday
Todd Thursday, Tuesday free break.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
They're the Denver pronouns because you they were they, but
now they're we.
Speaker 6 (07:04):
It changes week to week.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yes, essentially, it's week except.
Speaker 7 (07:06):
When I get really disappointed, like a less second block
field goal against.
Speaker 6 (07:09):
The division rival.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Yes, could also put out there for a poll question,
who's the worst good team?
Speaker 5 (07:15):
Oh, we've done the best bad team.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
What about the worst good team?
Speaker 8 (07:20):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Commanders would certainly be in there, right, yeah, let's.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
See why don't we start checking off the notes?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Okay, so perceived good teams.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
These are teams are the winning record, but you don't
really consider them all that threatening.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Maybe like the Niners would be in there.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
No, I don't think they would be.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Because they're are they a good team? Wait? Explain the
definition again? They're PAULI.
Speaker 7 (07:53):
So if you have a winning record, but nobody thinks
you're any good or threatening. Hypothetically, here's one Penn State
football They won twenty six to twenty five over Minnesota
and they're ranked fourth in the country. I don't think
they're threatening for the national title, but they're going to
the playoffs. As of right now, they're a perceived good
team that's non threatening.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Okay, who else do you have their Seaton?
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Well, let's see if we look through the NFL, you
can put the Falcons on there right all right, let's
see what do you think about the Packers?
Speaker 2 (08:23):
I have them, as we'll see, they're a pretty good team.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
The Lions are not on there right now.
Speaker 7 (08:31):
How about the Texans at seven and five coming off
a loss to the Titans. People still like the Texans,
but a lot of people off that bandwagon.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Who else?
Speaker 6 (08:40):
C J.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Stroud might also be on my We collectively as a
country should be talking more about c J.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Stroud's sophomore Selma. He's pretty terrible, my dude.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
He pulled a dan.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Orlowski last night to lose the game.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
It's being very friendly referred to as took a safety
to lose the game.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
But he ran out of the back of the end
zone the game.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Yes, yeah, he took an Orlovsky. He did, Yeah he did.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
He's not getting that treatment. But although I guess if
it's known as the Orlowski.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah he did.
Speaker 9 (09:10):
Dan is still getting it.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
It doesn't really matter, all right, that's tough.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
All right, So we're work shopping this.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Yeah, question, I mean you have let's see, you take
the Chiefs and the Bills off, right, but you still
have the Chargers and Broncos.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
They might be on there.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
The Steelers, Texans, Eagles are out, but the Commanders are in,
the Seahawks, Cardinals.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
There's a lot of teams on there.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Vikings, Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of potentially bad good teams.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Dolphins good bad team. Yeah right now, you got it.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Yeah, yeah, they're a good bad team, good bad team.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah, but we're not doing it. We're doing a bad
good team. Yeah, we've done.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
We can do the the best bad team again, we've
done that. We have Maybe we should update that from
earlier in the season.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
I think it's my Dolphins there.
Speaker 9 (10:02):
They look good.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yesterday they played the Patriots and Patriots are terrible. The
Patriots are whole. Now they're terrible.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Uh, you're right, okay, but these are the pesky Patriots.
They could take down anybody.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yes, Todd, where did.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
The Chargers go on the bad good team.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
List.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
If they were to win, especially convincingly at home against
the Ravens tonight, and get to eight and three, what
do we think of the Chargers at that point?
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Mm?
Speaker 5 (10:29):
Yeah, I think the Chargers are a good good team.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Okay, well, yeah, you're all in. You're in in on
the Chargers.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
They're not great, but they are, but they are. They're
better than people think team. I refuse to buy into
it right now, all the balls. Yeah, they're They're like
a rom Com where you go. I'm not gonna like this.
I don't want to watch it. I kind of know
how it ends. The Chargers are my rom com.
Speaker 9 (10:53):
How to lose a guy in ten days?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah, how to lose a playoff game and love? Actually? Yeah, Playoffs.
Actually it's a great movie.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Actually, is it?
Speaker 2 (11:01):
It is?
Speaker 9 (11:02):
That is a very good great It's a tough word.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah, all right, well is it Good Fellas?
Speaker 9 (11:06):
Great?
Speaker 5 (11:06):
No, but it's that's a damn good movie.
Speaker 9 (11:08):
Love.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
Actually, that's a good movie.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Uh, Marvin, your Niners look great in Green Bay. Congratulations.
Speaker 9 (11:18):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yeah, they got a lot of injuries. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
They didn't play yesterday. Yeah, I mean they technically played. Yeah,
they didn't play well.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Here is the Niners head coach Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 10 (11:31):
I'm really not concerned right now about how man guys
who missed today. We don't play good enough, so that's
not a factor. But when you are missing some guys,
you do have to be better. And when you have
those penalties, and when we didn't stop the run like
we did and then have those three turnovers in the
second half, that's how you embarrassed.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Green Bay's defense. They were ready for Christian McCaffrey. I
know you don't have Trent Williams there. And although Jordan
Love he was trying to give it back a couple
of there. In fact, Tom Brady even said it, I mean,
he's putting it out there for you to go get it.
And San Francisco wasn't able to really do anything. Josh Jacobs,
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you know, we talk about running backs, you know, the
running back market. We devalued the running back market. And
after Saquon Barkley over three hundred doll purpose yards last night,
Josh Jacobs over one hundred yards three touchdowns. Derrick Henry
has almost twelve hundred yards in eleven games. I don't
know if we rethink that position, but All three of
these guys were free agents where their team said we're
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not going to pony up that money. And you have
certain teams, these are playoff caliber teams that still know
you need to have a dangerous or at least a
respected running back, if not two of those running backs,
they have proven that. And you know, even go back
to Kansas City when they had Isaiah Pacheco.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
I mean, nobody runs harder than that. Dude.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
That's a seventh round pick. I don't know if they're
going to pay him when his contract is up, but
you needed to have that running back to be able
to get tough yards or at least give you the
impression that play action is real. And you're seeing that
now with Saquon Barkley. He's helping Jalen Hurts, Josh Jacobs
has been great, and then you throw in Derrick Henry
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as well. But the game coming up tonight, the Chargers
getting two and a half against the Ravens, we'll take
a break, phone calls coming up. When we come back,
we'll settle on our poll question, and we will play
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Speaker 2 (14:07):
We'll talk about that.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
He was on the call for the Cowboys and Commanders
with Joe Davis, and next Sunday he's got the Cardinals
and the Vikings.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Greg, good to talk to you again.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
You've played in a lot of games, You've watched a
lot of games, you broadcast a lot of games.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Where would you.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Put yesterday's game between the Cowboys Commanders on that list?
Speaker 11 (14:27):
Well, I think it's safe to say it's right at
or near the top, and especially I think it was
really just the contrasts of that fourth quarter forty one points,
how those forty one points were scored, or just it
was absolute chaos. But it really came after a pretty
pedestrian two and a half three quarters, like nobody really
could get anything going. It was red zone field goals
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that were.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
A circus to begin with.
Speaker 11 (14:51):
We couldn't make field goals, couldn't make extra points leading
up to that, and then the fourth quarter just got
insane special teams plays both good and bad, eighty six
yard and essence hail Mary type plays in desperation mode
that go for touchdowns.
Speaker 6 (15:06):
It was just I can't say.
Speaker 11 (15:09):
I've ever seen a sequence of events that culminated with
an ending like that, all in one quarter, all down
the stretch, maybe ever, at least in a game that
I can remember.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
And you bring up a great point, sometimes we go, boy,
that was a great game. It wasn't a great game,
but it was a great finish. It was a great
final quarter. When you guys get together with the commanders
during the week and you sit down with Jaden Daniels,
how much are you allowed to ask about how healthy
he is with those ribs, because it certainly looked like
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their game plan was different with those ribs, that they
weren't going to put him out there running.
Speaker 11 (15:46):
Yeah, I think yesterday was probably the most the healthiest
he's been, and it was probably the most that they
had been willing to activate him as a design runner
that we've seen at least through the last couple weeks.
So when you go back to the Philly game, in
the Pittsburgh game before that, their previous two losses, they
weren't using him as a runner at all. So I
think yesterday he had the nice touchdown run in the
third quarter that was a really nice design, really nice
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play there off the left side, had a few other
nice ones. He ran a speed option in the first
half for a big pickup for a first down, couple scrambles,
so I think I think yesterday was the healthiest he's.
Speaker 6 (16:19):
Been in a long time.
Speaker 11 (16:20):
It seemed like they kind of ran the entire offense
through him, as they were earlier in the season. It's
really just their inability to get the ball down field.
That's the big problem that they're having. And the irony
is it kind of at the end of the game,
in desperation mode when they needed to, you know, a
two minute score and a two point conversion down eleven,
they got it throwing the ball downfield, attacking and then
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of course to Terry McLaurin eighty six yard touchdown in
desperation mode. Was another one, so they opened it up
there at the end of the game, and I just
think they need to do it more.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
How do you explain what Dallas did, Matt And I
don't know if this is more on the Commanders or
you give credit to the Cowboys.
Speaker 11 (17:00):
I think it's probably as like anything. I think it's
a combination of both. But I give Mike McCarthy and
that Cowboys group a lot of credit. I mean, they
were reeling and then they come into that game yesterday
and they're excited to get Deron Bland back. They're all
pro corner. He had missed the entire season with a
foot injury. They get him back, they get Parsons back,
but then they lose Digs, Trevon Diggs, he was out
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due to injury. But it was really the offensive side
of the ball that we knew going in was just
really down a lot of guys. They had Ceedee Lamb
and then it was a lot of backups. You know,
they're missing Tyler Smith, missing Zach Martin rotating at left tackle.
They thought Brandon Cooks was going to come back. He
ended up being out another week, and of course Cooper
Rush taking over for dak So they showed a lot
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of life. They made plays where they had to schoonmaker again,
the backup tight end to Jake Ferguson. He makes the
big touchdown there in the end. So it was really
a good effort. But it was special teams, it was defense,
and it was offense, and it was really more the
recipe that we're used to seeing from this Dallas team
that's had a lot of success. Take the ball away,
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make splash special teams plays, and then obviously get the
offense going. So that's what they did yesterday, and I
think they deserve a lot of credit.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
I'm looking at the DraftKings odds this morning for MVPG,
it's Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Saquon Barkley. What does Saquon
Barkley have to do? Can he be the MVP this year?
I mean, let's be honest.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Can he be? And how can he be the mvpig.
Speaker 11 (18:31):
Well, I think obviously the first thing is just continue
to perform at the level that he's been playing at.
And now whether or not that's feasible or not, whether
that's realistic to play at this level as a running
back down the stretch through the playoffs, it's hard to say.
I mean, he's playing at such a what he had
three hundred dollar purpose last night or a little over like,
it's just what he's been able to do.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
That is the perfect offense for Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 11 (18:54):
And I think all this nonsense about oh if he
would be doing it if he was with the Giants,
and that's not a knockout Squon. It's just the situation
that he walked into the offensive line, the weapons, the
style of system, spread everybody out, a mobile quarterback you
have to account for with Jalen like, it is the
perfect offense for a player like Saquon Barkley to unleash
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everything that he's good at run and pass to win
the MVP. He's probably gonna need some help. He's gonna
probably need these quarterbacks Lamar and Josh Allen and probably
goff to a degree to like come down to earth
a little bit. If if Josh Allen continues to play
at the level he has, and he continues to get
Marquee wins against you know, the Chiefs again, and he
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gets the against Lamar at some point, like, if he
continues to win those games, it's a quarterback Award and
we can argue whether that's fair or unfair, but there's
no question Saquon Barkley is as good as anybody in
the entire league, regardless of position.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
Just unfortunate for him he doesn't play quarterback.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
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were you of the points spread when you played?
Speaker 11 (20:12):
When I played, I couldn't tell you if we were
favored underdogs what the over under is. I've actually learned
more about it in the broadcasting world, just because you
hear it more. And there is an element to these
guys who do make these spreads and do make these
It's amazing how close they always are. Like they the
way they look at the game from points, yards per
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play and efficiency numbers.
Speaker 6 (20:34):
They kind of look at it as.
Speaker 11 (20:35):
More of like a math equation than they do, just
like x's and o's on the field. But yeah, I
think if you pulled ninety nine plus percent of the
players in the league, they couldn't tell you. But obviously
we know with fans and you know, the way it's
obviously become just the fabric of everything on Sundays. I
think it's part of the popularity of the game. I
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think people are interested now in games. They might not
be fair of those teams, but obviously they have vested
interest in the outcome or at least the score. So
I think it's changed the way people watch the game.
I think it's brought a lot interest nationally as opposed
to just following your regional team. And but yeah, I
don't think it's something that players are aware of really
(21:19):
to any degree.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Yeah see, I don't know if you can have day
to day life in the NFL and not be aware
of what's my over under four yards in this game,
or I mean it's.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
There, it's all over social media.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
I just I don't know how you could go into
a game now in today's environment and that everybody is
allowed to talk about it. Everybody's encouraged to gamble and
not know, Hey, you know what, we're favored by two
and a half tonight.
Speaker 11 (21:48):
Yes, there, maybe they are nowadays. You know, when I
was playing, obviously was a very different landscape like fantasy
football was what we were all aware of. You know,
you'd be in the grocery store and you know the
lady behind you in the line. You know, I'm playing
in Chicago, and the old lady in line. You think
she's gonna tell you great game because you you know,
you just beat the Packers or the Lions or whatever.
(22:10):
And she's like, you cost me my fantasy because you
only caught two balls. And I'm like, oh my god,
Like that's not what I was expecting you to say. So,
like that was the era like I played in, and
then daily fantasy became a thing and it's kind of
and it's kind of evolved from there. But yeah, I
mean I remember those days early in my career trying
to figure out like are we.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
Happy that I won but I didn't have enough catches?
Speaker 11 (22:30):
And then on the flip side, you had a big game,
but then the team you're on lost.
Speaker 6 (22:35):
Were you happy? It was a that was a rude awakening.
Speaker 11 (22:38):
When I first got in the league, fantasy football was
probably at its highest level.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Do the Lions have any issues?
Speaker 11 (22:48):
Yeah, I mean, listen right now, the last couple of weeks,
it's hard to say they do. I mean the way
that and I think the thing that everyone always thought
was going to be there, all right, can you survive
the injuries? Can you survive hu going down and now
angzelone gets hurt? Like and this defense, what is say
they haven't given up a touchdown in six quarters or
seven something like that.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
It's pretty remarkable.
Speaker 11 (23:09):
Aaron Glenn, the defensive coordinator, he has done a fantastic job.
Wouldn't be surprised if he's one of the next defensive
minded guys that gets a head job.
Speaker 6 (23:17):
He's done a.
Speaker 11 (23:18):
Great job because so much of the attention of Detroit
has been on of course the Jared Goff story, which
he deserves all the credit in the world for how
he's handled that. And then Ben Johnson, he's the bell
of the ball. He's been the number one choice of
a lot of teams. They just can't seem to snag
him away from Dan Campbell in Detroit. So the offense
gets a lot of the attention, understandably so, but I
think Aaron Glenn in that defense and their ability to
(23:40):
weather the injury to their best player and one of
the best defensive players in the league and Hutchinson is
is is pretty remarkable.
Speaker 6 (23:48):
And now the question is they got to sustain it.
Speaker 11 (23:50):
And as we all know in the NFL, especially, you
get to the playoffs, one bad afternoon, couple bad breaks,
and all of that good work, it's over. There's no
best of three, best of five. So they've got to
maintain this for six more games, six more weeks or so,
and then keep it rolling through the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
So it's a long road ahead. A lot could happen.
Speaker 11 (24:09):
But if the league ended, if the season ended now,
I don't think there's any question they're the best team.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Who's the best tight end of all time?
Speaker 6 (24:18):
Man, that's a great question.
Speaker 11 (24:20):
If you would have told my younger self that anyone
was ever gonna beat Tony Gonzalez. That was like the
guy we all grew up watching in high school and
college and had a chance to overlap with him for
a few years in the league and get to know him.
Tony was always at the top of the mountain. The longevity,
the consistency, and then of course just the sheer volume
(24:41):
of yards and catches and touchdowns just seems so incomprehensible
that anyone would ever approach it. Then Gronk came along,
and he did it again. Different could do the run
blocking physical one of the most prolific guys. Obviously, him
and Brady kind of rechanged how people. He didn't have
quite the longevity to approach those numbers, and I enter
guy like Kelsey. I think we've gotten to the point
(25:03):
where Kelsey's in that argument of saying he has he
passed Tony and he might not ever reach the final numbers.
Speaker 6 (25:09):
I don't know how long.
Speaker 11 (25:10):
He's gonna play, but when you start talking seven about
seven years in a row of a thousand yard seasons,
then you factor in the postseason success that he's had
and the amount of wear and tear and games and
catches and yards in the postseason. That's kind of where
him and Gronk have kind of separated from a lot
of the other guys at.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
The top of the list.
Speaker 11 (25:30):
So it is hard for me to put anyone above
Tony because that was the guy like I really looked
up to and idolized through my career as a young player.
But I think Kelsey and Gronk have kind of entered that,
and I think Kelsey might be pulling away.
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Speaker 6 (26:04):
I appreciate it. Always good to be on. Have a
great Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
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Rick Neuheisel, former college coach. He works for CBS Sports
covering college football. All right, how do you explain Saturday
(26:29):
to me?
Speaker 8 (26:33):
Chaos is the first word that comes to mind, but
I think if you start to think about especially the
Alabama at Oklahoma game, it was really what Oklahoma fans
had left.
Speaker 9 (26:46):
They had a.
Speaker 8 (26:47):
Prominent brand like Alabama coming to town. It was part
of this new revelation of the SEC and they rose
to the occasion, and the team rose to the occasion
because it's all really they had left to play for.
Speaker 9 (27:01):
And that happened.
Speaker 8 (27:02):
Then you saw Auburn, who's been losing all these one
score games. They get it done in front of another
raucous home crowd. So those things happen. It's just part
of this fabric, fabric of the game. Two things are
true about college football, Dan, people love brands, and people
(27:23):
don't want to lose late. Late losses are way more
damaging than early losses, and that's what we're seeing.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Okay, give me the teams that are out out, they
will not make the playoffs.
Speaker 8 (27:35):
Goodness, I don't know that there are many that we
can say that about given what I just said. In
terms of these games that are in. So I still
think Clemson, Alabama, Ole, Miss, Texas A, and M South Carolina.
Speaker 9 (27:49):
Are all still are all still alive.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
So okay, there has to be somebody who's out through
all of the TCU.
Speaker 8 (27:58):
TCU is out three in the Big Twelve, they're mathematically eliminated.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Yes, all right? Is Indiana still in the in the hunt?
Speaker 9 (28:07):
Here?
Speaker 8 (28:07):
I think by virtue of those three losses in the SEC,
I think Indiana is going to be in. I think
they're eleven and one record, assuming they beat Perdue, who's
lost ten in a row or yeah, ten in a row.
Speaker 9 (28:20):
I think they're in.
Speaker 8 (28:21):
I think they'll they'll get a pass and they might
be the eleven seed, but they'll get in.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Okay, Ole Miss is in according to you? Or still in? No?
Speaker 9 (28:30):
Ole Miss is out?
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Oh we found an outer Okay, but still with hope,
but still with hope.
Speaker 8 (28:37):
See, they and Alabama are sitting there watching Georgia, watching
Tennessee hoping for a Purdue miracle, watching Miami at Syracuse.
They're watching games like that saying, hey, let's have a
little bit more chaos this weekend. Colorado still in Colorado
is right now, if the four teams tied for the lead,
(28:59):
all win and it would be Arizona State and Utah State,
Colorado would be out. So they need a Kansas State
win over Iowa State something like that.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Have we now?
Speaker 1 (29:12):
I was a big proponent for expanding because I said,
you're going to get more teams involved in this and
games later in the season, We're going to be more important.
But how tough is the committee's job now? Because when
you had four, it felt like maybe there was one school,
maybe two that should have been in. Now when you
have twelve, it feels like there's going to be five
(29:35):
six teams that are going to have a legitimate beef here.
Speaker 8 (29:39):
Oh well, I think that's accurate, and that makes it
even that much more exciting to wake up on that
Sunday and see exactly what the committee's going through. Heck,
if the supercomputers take till Tuesday to figure out who's
actually in a Big Ten championship game, I mean you
could imagine what the machinations are in that committee room.
Speaker 9 (29:58):
So yeah, this is this is wild. I think what's interesting.
Speaker 8 (30:02):
You know, Georgia, by virtue of all the chaos, is
now assured of playing in the SEC championship game. I
will guarantee you that if Kirby came on here and
we made him take a truth a lie detector test,
he would say, you'd rather not play in that game.
And I think we will eventually evolve to what the
basketball tournament does in Dayton. There will be playing games
(30:25):
to have some of these teams that are sitting right
there on the edge get a chance to play their
way in and let the teams who have punched their
ticket actually rest. I mean, we don't worry about conference tournaments.
We do it for the money grab in basketball, but
no one cares who wins them. Once you've already you know,
made it to the dance, and I think college football
(30:45):
will end up feeling very, very similar.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
I'm talking to Rick new Heisl, CBS Sports College Football analyst.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
You were at Yankee Stadium with Army in Notre Dame. Yes,
you know, aside.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
From Northern Illinois, Notre Dame is a a really really
solid team.
Speaker 8 (31:02):
I don't that was a very impressive performance. It was
men amongst boys, and that's not too slight. What's been
a terrific season for Jeff Monkin and the Black Knights.
They just were bigger and better and had that triple
option dialed. I mean the fact that they had played Navy,
play Navy every year. They have a plan for that,
(31:23):
and there was nothing for Bryce and Day and the
Black Knights to do. Army has played beautifully. Now Jade
and Mayava becomes the giant killer, and everybody in college
football in a conference is pulling for the former UNLB
quarterback to see if he can get the trifecta because
he's already won two. He beat Nebraska and he beat UCLA.
(31:43):
So can he now knock off Notre Dame in Los Angeles?
Because if he does, there'll be some lovely parting gifts
for he and the Trojans, because they'll have knocked out
not only Notre Dame, but have given somebody access to
the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
So Notre Dame, it's win and you're in against you.
Speaker 9 (32:01):
I think so.
Speaker 8 (32:01):
I think if they lost their second game here to
usc who despite their name, is still only a six
and five team, and you couple that with a Northern
Illinois loss, somebody with a three even three loss team.
You know, take the winner of Clemson in South Carolina.
You could make a case that that team could get in,
especially if Clemson gets were that winner with just two losses.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
What's it like for the coach when fans storm the
field after you lost the game.
Speaker 8 (32:32):
Oh, usually you're surrounded by these you know, police officers
that are just trying to get you in there. But yeah,
I mean there's part of me when that happens is
you're kind of like, this is just still the coolest
game in the world. I mean, I'm upset that I lost,
but it's still the cool And people run by and
say things, but they're they're moving fast. It's not a
(32:53):
big deal.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
You never took it personal when they say you suck
Rick or you know.
Speaker 8 (32:59):
I get that so often Dad that it never you
get that at home?
Speaker 9 (33:03):
Yeah, I get that. I get that at home. No worries.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Great to talk to you again. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 9 (33:09):
Always a privilege, my friend. Hey, Happy Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
When are we getting a song? Are you? Are you
contractually obligated to CBS?
Speaker 7 (33:17):
You know?
Speaker 8 (33:17):
No, no problem, no, no, yeah, no, We've got to
come up with one. I'm working on some stuff. Yeah,
you know what I'm thinking.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Here you go, the ballad of the twelve team playoff.
Speaker 8 (33:29):
You've okay, Well now it's going to right itself. Yeah,
done done. I will begin in earnest today.
Speaker 9 (33:39):
Thank you, Rick, day buddy,
I was thinking this as I was driving in What
was more chaotic over the weekend? Was it the college
football or the NFL? And you'd have an argument for both.
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play the game fill in the blank as well. So
the Lions are now ten and one, the Chiefs are
ten and one. They have gone about those records in
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different fashions. As Patrick Mahomes said after the game, it'd
be nice to win without having to win on the
final play of a game. Give credit to the Panthers.
Bryce Young, I thought handled himself admirably. The Lions. They
continue to separate themselves in the NFC for blowing out people.
But don't look too far ahead if you're the lines,
(01:04):
because the Eagles are right behind you. The Eagles rolled
over the Rams last night. Saquon Barkley had a wonderful game,
and I was wondering about that. It's a quarterback driven league.
MVP is a quarterback driven award. You have to go
back a long time to Adrian Peterson went a running
back won the MVP. So I thought, okay, after that
(01:24):
performance by Saquon Barkley standalone game Sunday night.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
And what are his odds to win the MVP.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
If you said Josh Allen has better odds, you'd be correct.
Lamar Jackson has better odds, you'd be correct. The third
best odds are Saquon Barkley. So Josh Allen, I said
it last week, it's his to lose plus one fifty,
Lamar Jackson plus two seventy five, Saquon Barkley plus five hundred.
(01:56):
Then it's Jared Goff and Patrick Mahomes. Saquon Barkley is
I would say invaluable, but he is valuable to what
we're seeing with the Eagles. I just don't know if
you can define it. We know what a quarterback, an
MVP quarterback looks like and plays like. We forget what
an MVP running back runs like. Or plays like, and
(02:19):
Saquon Barkley should be second on this list, in front
of Lamar Jackson. I think the Eagles are a better
team than the Ravens. I think Saquon Barkley has been
a difference maker. They don't have to rely on Jalen Hurtz,
who can be sporadic, he can throw twenty times. But
you have Saquon Barkley. Now, he's got a great offensive line.
(02:40):
That I mean, that's a really good team. And I
think what's happening is we get caught up in looking
at the Lions. We love the story of the Lions.
We've already seen the Eagles in a Super Bowl. Don't
forget about what the Eagles are doing. They are a
really good team. I don't know, if there's a great team,
Lions would probably be on the cusp of that. I
don't know if we have great teams, but we have
(03:02):
some pretty good ones. And don't forget about the Eagles.
So Saquon Barkley had a wonderful night and it's one
of those where here we go, let's troll the Giants. Hey,
Saquon Barkley, you couldn't use him, huh. Saquon would not
be Saquon with the Giants this year. They're a bad team,
might be the worst team in the NFL. We've said
(03:24):
it many, many times. They made the mistake of doubling
down on Daniel Jones, who's now free to Rome. He
ain't go anywhere he wants, and I know there was
immediate speculation, well what if he went to the Cowboys
and then had a couple of days to get ready
for the Giants on Thanksgiving? And I go, I like
it for content purposes, but I would think Jerry Jones
(03:47):
would want to stay with Cooper Rush like him. Are
you bringing in Daniel Jones just for one game? Because
I would stay with Cooper Rush here. But you know,
Cooper Rush played well yesterday. I mean it was a
wild game, crazy game, special teams nightmare for the Commanders.
And do not do this, especially James in Virginia. Don't
(04:09):
start being bummed out here. If I would have told
you this is where the Commanders would be when the
season started, you would have signed up for it. Even
with three losses in a row, they have played well,
They have played competitively, and yes, was that a nightmare finish?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
It was and they should have won that game.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I mean, that's one of those games that we might
look back on and say that cost them a playoff spot.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yes, Marvin, yeah, the front row.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
We're throwing a flag on that.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Whoa.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
If you start out seventy two and you don't make
the playoffs, it'd be different if they're going back and
forth and they're all right, they win here, they lose here,
they win here, they lose here. But if you start
out seventy two and you lose three straight and you
ended up missing the playoff game, excuse me, missing the
playoffs by half a game or a game, You're going
to be really disappointed.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
You'll be disappointed, I'm saying, don't be disappointed because your
team is relevant.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
You found your quarterback.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Your quarterback is banged up, Daniel Sneyder is a distant memory,
got great uniforms.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
You got a young team. Dan Quinn's done a really
nice job. Yes. Should you beat in the Cowboys?
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yes, that to me was an embarrassing loss from the
standpoint of.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Who Dallas didn't have. So you got a backup quarterback.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
I mean, you're missing so many players and you can't
beat them at home, but what a wild fourth quarter?
So Greg Olsen will join us. He was on the
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football crazy. I don't even know where to start or
end with college football, but Rick Neuheisel will join us.
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Speaker 4 (06:30):
We got one here from Paul, We collectively as a
country should be talking.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
More about dot dot dot fill in the blank.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Oh okay, so that's going to be coming up, because
when you said we, I thought you were talking about
a Fritzi and as.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Broncos's we haven't gotten anything from Todd, I would imagine
tomorrow because tomorrow would be more like Tuesday, the Thursday
Todd Thursday, Tuesday free break.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
They're the Denver pronouns because you they were they, but
now they're we.
Speaker 6 (07:04):
It changes week to week.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yes, essentially, it's week except.
Speaker 7 (07:06):
When I get really disappointed, like a less second block
field goal against.
Speaker 6 (07:09):
The division rival.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Yes, could also put out there for a poll question,
who's the worst good team?
Speaker 5 (07:15):
Oh, we've done the best bad team.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
What about the worst good team?
Speaker 8 (07:20):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Commanders would certainly be in there, right, yeah, let's.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
See why don't we start checking off the notes?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Okay, so perceived good teams.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
These are teams are the winning record, but you don't
really consider them all that threatening.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Maybe like the Niners would be in there.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
No, I don't think they would be.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Because they're are they a good team? Wait? Explain the
definition again? They're PAULI.
Speaker 7 (07:53):
So if you have a winning record, but nobody thinks
you're any good or threatening. Hypothetically, here's one Penn State
football They won twenty six to twenty five over Minnesota
and they're ranked fourth in the country. I don't think
they're threatening for the national title, but they're going to
the playoffs. As of right now, they're a perceived good
team that's non threatening.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Okay, who else do you have their Seaton?
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Well, let's see if we look through the NFL, you
can put the Falcons on there right all right, let's
see what do you think about the Packers?
Speaker 2 (08:23):
I have them, as we'll see, they're a pretty good team.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
The Lions are not on there right now.
Speaker 7 (08:31):
How about the Texans at seven and five coming off
a loss to the Titans. People still like the Texans,
but a lot of people off that bandwagon.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Who else?
Speaker 6 (08:40):
C J.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Stroud might also be on my We collectively as a
country should be talking more about c J.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Stroud's sophomore Selma. He's pretty terrible, my dude.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
He pulled a dan.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Orlowski last night to lose the game.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
It's being very friendly referred to as took a safety
to lose the game.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
But he ran out of the back of the end
zone the game.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Yes, yeah, he took an Orlovsky. He did, Yeah he did.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
He's not getting that treatment. But although I guess if
it's known as the Orlowski.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah he did.
Speaker 9 (09:10):
Dan is still getting it.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
It doesn't really matter, all right, that's tough.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
All right, So we're work shopping this.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Yeah, question, I mean you have let's see, you take
the Chiefs and the Bills off, right, but you still
have the Chargers and Broncos.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
They might be on there.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
The Steelers, Texans, Eagles are out, but the Commanders are in,
the Seahawks, Cardinals.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
There's a lot of teams on there.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Vikings, Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of potentially bad good teams.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Dolphins good bad team. Yeah right now, you got it.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Yeah, yeah, they're a good bad team, good bad team.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah, but we're not doing it. We're doing a bad
good team. Yeah, we've done.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
We can do the the best bad team again, we've
done that. We have Maybe we should update that from
earlier in the season.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
I think it's my Dolphins there.
Speaker 9 (10:02):
They look good.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yesterday they played the Patriots and Patriots are terrible. The
Patriots are whole. Now they're terrible.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Uh, you're right, okay, but these are the pesky Patriots.
They could take down anybody.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yes, Todd, where did.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
The Chargers go on the bad good team.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
List.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
If they were to win, especially convincingly at home against
the Ravens tonight, and get to eight and three, what
do we think of the Chargers at that point?
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Mm?
Speaker 5 (10:29):
Yeah, I think the Chargers are a good good team.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Okay, well, yeah, you're all in. You're in in on
the Chargers.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
They're not great, but they are, but they are. They're
better than people think team. I refuse to buy into
it right now, all the balls. Yeah, they're They're like
a rom Com where you go. I'm not gonna like this.
I don't want to watch it. I kind of know
how it ends. The Chargers are my rom com.
Speaker 9 (10:53):
How to lose a guy in ten days?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah, how to lose a playoff game and love? Actually? Yeah, Playoffs.
Actually it's a great movie.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Actually, is it?
Speaker 2 (11:01):
It is?
Speaker 9 (11:02):
That is a very good great It's a tough word.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah, all right, well is it Good Fellas?
Speaker 9 (11:06):
Great?
Speaker 5 (11:06):
No, but it's that's a damn good movie.
Speaker 9 (11:08):
Love.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
Actually, that's a good movie.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Uh, Marvin, your Niners look great in Green Bay. Congratulations.
Speaker 9 (11:18):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yeah, they got a lot of injuries. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
They didn't play yesterday. Yeah, I mean they technically played. Yeah,
they didn't play well.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Here is the Niners head coach Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 10 (11:31):
I'm really not concerned right now about how man guys
who missed today. We don't play good enough, so that's
not a factor. But when you are missing some guys,
you do have to be better. And when you have
those penalties, and when we didn't stop the run like
we did and then have those three turnovers in the
second half, that's how you embarrassed.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Green Bay's defense. They were ready for Christian McCaffrey. I
know you don't have Trent Williams there. And although Jordan
Love he was trying to give it back a couple
of there. In fact, Tom Brady even said it, I mean,
he's putting it out there for you to go get it.
And San Francisco wasn't able to really do anything. Josh Jacobs,
(12:10):
you know, we talk about running backs, you know, the
running back market. We devalued the running back market. And
after Saquon Barkley over three hundred doll purpose yards last night,
Josh Jacobs over one hundred yards three touchdowns. Derrick Henry
has almost twelve hundred yards in eleven games. I don't
know if we rethink that position, but All three of
these guys were free agents where their team said we're
(12:33):
not going to pony up that money. And you have
certain teams, these are playoff caliber teams that still know
you need to have a dangerous or at least a
respected running back, if not two of those running backs,
they have proven that. And you know, even go back
to Kansas City when they had Isaiah Pacheco.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
I mean, nobody runs harder than that. Dude.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
That's a seventh round pick. I don't know if they're
going to pay him when his contract is up, but
you needed to have that running back to be able
to get tough yards or at least give you the
impression that play action is real. And you're seeing that
now with Saquon Barkley. He's helping Jalen Hurts, Josh Jacobs
has been great, and then you throw in Derrick Henry
(13:21):
as well. But the game coming up tonight, the Chargers
getting two and a half against the Ravens, we'll take
a break, phone calls coming up. When we come back,
we'll settle on our poll question, and we will play
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Speaker 2 (14:07):
We'll talk about that.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
He was on the call for the Cowboys and Commanders
with Joe Davis, and next Sunday he's got the Cardinals
and the Vikings.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Greg, good to talk to you again.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
You've played in a lot of games, You've watched a
lot of games, you broadcast a lot of games.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Where would you.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Put yesterday's game between the Cowboys Commanders on that list?
Speaker 11 (14:27):
Well, I think it's safe to say it's right at
or near the top, and especially I think it was
really just the contrasts of that fourth quarter forty one points,
how those forty one points were scored, or just it
was absolute chaos. But it really came after a pretty
pedestrian two and a half three quarters, like nobody really
could get anything going. It was red zone field goals
(14:48):
that were.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
A circus to begin with.
Speaker 11 (14:51):
We couldn't make field goals, couldn't make extra points leading
up to that, and then the fourth quarter just got
insane special teams plays both good and bad, eighty six
yard and essence hail Mary type plays in desperation mode
that go for touchdowns.
Speaker 6 (15:06):
It was just I can't say.
Speaker 11 (15:09):
I've ever seen a sequence of events that culminated with
an ending like that, all in one quarter, all down
the stretch, maybe ever, at least in a game that
I can remember.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
And you bring up a great point, sometimes we go, boy,
that was a great game. It wasn't a great game,
but it was a great finish. It was a great
final quarter. When you guys get together with the commanders
during the week and you sit down with Jaden Daniels,
how much are you allowed to ask about how healthy
he is with those ribs, because it certainly looked like
(15:40):
their game plan was different with those ribs, that they
weren't going to put him out there running.
Speaker 11 (15:46):
Yeah, I think yesterday was probably the most the healthiest
he's been, and it was probably the most that they
had been willing to activate him as a design runner
that we've seen at least through the last couple weeks.
So when you go back to the Philly game, in
the Pittsburgh game before that, their previous two losses, they
weren't using him as a runner at all. So I
think yesterday he had the nice touchdown run in the
third quarter that was a really nice design, really nice
(16:09):
play there off the left side, had a few other
nice ones. He ran a speed option in the first
half for a big pickup for a first down, couple scrambles,
so I think I think yesterday was the healthiest he's.
Speaker 6 (16:19):
Been in a long time.
Speaker 11 (16:20):
It seemed like they kind of ran the entire offense
through him, as they were earlier in the season. It's
really just their inability to get the ball down field.
That's the big problem that they're having. And the irony
is it kind of at the end of the game,
in desperation mode when they needed to, you know, a
two minute score and a two point conversion down eleven,
they got it throwing the ball downfield, attacking and then
(16:42):
of course to Terry McLaurin eighty six yard touchdown in
desperation mode. Was another one, so they opened it up
there at the end of the game, and I just
think they need to do it more.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
How do you explain what Dallas did, Matt And I
don't know if this is more on the Commanders or
you give credit to the Cowboys.
Speaker 11 (17:00):
I think it's probably as like anything. I think it's
a combination of both. But I give Mike McCarthy and
that Cowboys group a lot of credit. I mean, they
were reeling and then they come into that game yesterday
and they're excited to get Deron Bland back. They're all
pro corner. He had missed the entire season with a
foot injury. They get him back, they get Parsons back,
but then they lose Digs, Trevon Diggs, he was out
(17:21):
due to injury. But it was really the offensive side
of the ball that we knew going in was just
really down a lot of guys. They had Ceedee Lamb
and then it was a lot of backups. You know,
they're missing Tyler Smith, missing Zach Martin rotating at left tackle.
They thought Brandon Cooks was going to come back. He
ended up being out another week, and of course Cooper
Rush taking over for dak So they showed a lot
(17:43):
of life. They made plays where they had to schoonmaker again,
the backup tight end to Jake Ferguson. He makes the
big touchdown there in the end. So it was really
a good effort. But it was special teams, it was defense,
and it was offense, and it was really more the
recipe that we're used to seeing from this Dallas team
that's had a lot of success. Take the ball away,
(18:03):
make splash special teams plays, and then obviously get the
offense going. So that's what they did yesterday, and I
think they deserve a lot of credit.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
I'm looking at the DraftKings odds this morning for MVPG,
it's Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Saquon Barkley. What does Saquon
Barkley have to do? Can he be the MVP this year?
I mean, let's be honest.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Can he be? And how can he be the mvpig.
Speaker 11 (18:31):
Well, I think obviously the first thing is just continue
to perform at the level that he's been playing at.
And now whether or not that's feasible or not, whether
that's realistic to play at this level as a running
back down the stretch through the playoffs, it's hard to say.
I mean, he's playing at such a what he had
three hundred dollar purpose last night or a little over like,
it's just what he's been able to do.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
That is the perfect offense for Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 11 (18:54):
And I think all this nonsense about oh if he
would be doing it if he was with the Giants,
and that's not a knockout Squon. It's just the situation
that he walked into the offensive line, the weapons, the
style of system, spread everybody out, a mobile quarterback you
have to account for with Jalen like, it is the
perfect offense for a player like Saquon Barkley to unleash
(19:15):
everything that he's good at run and pass to win
the MVP. He's probably gonna need some help. He's gonna
probably need these quarterbacks Lamar and Josh Allen and probably
goff to a degree to like come down to earth
a little bit. If if Josh Allen continues to play
at the level he has, and he continues to get
Marquee wins against you know, the Chiefs again, and he
(19:35):
gets the against Lamar at some point, like, if he
continues to win those games, it's a quarterback Award and
we can argue whether that's fair or unfair, but there's
no question Saquon Barkley is as good as anybody in
the entire league, regardless of position.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
Just unfortunate for him he doesn't play quarterback.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
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We're talking to Greg Olsen NFL on Fox. How aware
were you of the points spread when you played?
Speaker 11 (20:12):
When I played, I couldn't tell you if we were
favored underdogs what the over under is. I've actually learned
more about it in the broadcasting world, just because you
hear it more. And there is an element to these
guys who do make these spreads and do make these
It's amazing how close they always are. Like they the
way they look at the game from points, yards per
(20:32):
play and efficiency numbers.
Speaker 6 (20:34):
They kind of look at it as.
Speaker 11 (20:35):
More of like a math equation than they do, just
like x's and o's on the field. But yeah, I
think if you pulled ninety nine plus percent of the
players in the league, they couldn't tell you. But obviously
we know with fans and you know, the way it's
obviously become just the fabric of everything on Sundays. I
think it's part of the popularity of the game. I
(20:56):
think people are interested now in games. They might not
be fair of those teams, but obviously they have vested
interest in the outcome or at least the score. So
I think it's changed the way people watch the game.
I think it's brought a lot interest nationally as opposed
to just following your regional team. And but yeah, I
don't think it's something that players are aware of really
(21:19):
to any degree.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Yeah see, I don't know if you can have day
to day life in the NFL and not be aware
of what's my over under four yards in this game,
or I mean it's.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
There, it's all over social media.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
I just I don't know how you could go into
a game now in today's environment and that everybody is
allowed to talk about it. Everybody's encouraged to gamble and
not know, Hey, you know what, we're favored by two
and a half tonight.
Speaker 11 (21:48):
Yes, there, maybe they are nowadays. You know, when I
was playing, obviously was a very different landscape like fantasy
football was what we were all aware of. You know,
you'd be in the grocery store and you know the
lady behind you in the line. You know, I'm playing
in Chicago, and the old lady in line. You think
she's gonna tell you great game because you you know,
you just beat the Packers or the Lions or whatever.
(22:10):
And she's like, you cost me my fantasy because you
only caught two balls. And I'm like, oh my god,
Like that's not what I was expecting you to say. So,
like that was the era like I played in, and
then daily fantasy became a thing and it's kind of
and it's kind of evolved from there. But yeah, I
mean I remember those days early in my career trying
to figure out like are we.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
Happy that I won but I didn't have enough catches?
Speaker 11 (22:30):
And then on the flip side, you had a big game,
but then the team you're on lost.
Speaker 6 (22:35):
Were you happy? It was a that was a rude awakening.
Speaker 11 (22:38):
When I first got in the league, fantasy football was
probably at its highest level.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Do the Lions have any issues?
Speaker 11 (22:48):
Yeah, I mean, listen right now, the last couple of weeks,
it's hard to say they do. I mean the way
that and I think the thing that everyone always thought
was going to be there, all right, can you survive
the injuries? Can you survive hu going down and now
angzelone gets hurt? Like and this defense, what is say
they haven't given up a touchdown in six quarters or
seven something like that.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
It's pretty remarkable.
Speaker 11 (23:09):
Aaron Glenn, the defensive coordinator, he has done a fantastic job.
Wouldn't be surprised if he's one of the next defensive
minded guys that gets a head job.
Speaker 6 (23:17):
He's done a.
Speaker 11 (23:18):
Great job because so much of the attention of Detroit
has been on of course the Jared Goff story, which
he deserves all the credit in the world for how
he's handled that. And then Ben Johnson, he's the bell
of the ball. He's been the number one choice of
a lot of teams. They just can't seem to snag
him away from Dan Campbell in Detroit. So the offense
gets a lot of the attention, understandably so, but I
think Aaron Glenn in that defense and their ability to
(23:40):
weather the injury to their best player and one of
the best defensive players in the league and Hutchinson is
is is pretty remarkable.
Speaker 6 (23:48):
And now the question is they got to sustain it.
Speaker 11 (23:50):
And as we all know in the NFL, especially, you
get to the playoffs, one bad afternoon, couple bad breaks,
and all of that good work, it's over. There's no
best of three, best of five. So they've got to
maintain this for six more games, six more weeks or so,
and then keep it rolling through the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (24:07):
So it's a long road ahead. A lot could happen.
Speaker 11 (24:09):
But if the league ended, if the season ended now,
I don't think there's any question they're the best team.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Who's the best tight end of all time?
Speaker 6 (24:18):
Man, that's a great question.
Speaker 11 (24:20):
If you would have told my younger self that anyone
was ever gonna beat Tony Gonzalez. That was like the
guy we all grew up watching in high school and
college and had a chance to overlap with him for
a few years in the league and get to know him.
Tony was always at the top of the mountain. The longevity,
the consistency, and then of course just the sheer volume
(24:41):
of yards and catches and touchdowns just seems so incomprehensible
that anyone would ever approach it. Then Gronk came along,
and he did it again. Different could do the run
blocking physical one of the most prolific guys. Obviously, him
and Brady kind of rechanged how people. He didn't have
quite the longevity to approach those numbers, and I enter
guy like Kelsey. I think we've gotten to the point
(25:03):
where Kelsey's in that argument of saying he has he
passed Tony and he might not ever reach the final numbers.
Speaker 6 (25:09):
I don't know how long.
Speaker 11 (25:10):
He's gonna play, but when you start talking seven about
seven years in a row of a thousand yard seasons,
then you factor in the postseason success that he's had
and the amount of wear and tear and games and
catches and yards in the postseason. That's kind of where
him and Gronk have kind of separated from a lot
of the other guys at.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
The top of the list.
Speaker 11 (25:30):
So it is hard for me to put anyone above
Tony because that was the guy like I really looked
up to and idolized through my career as a young player.
But I think Kelsey and Gronk have kind of entered that,
and I think Kelsey might be pulling away.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
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Speaker 6 (26:04):
I appreciate it. Always good to be on. Have a
great Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be
sure to catch us live every weekday morning nine until
noon eastern six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
and you can find us on the iHeartRadio app at
FSR or stream us live on the Peacock app. He's
Rick Neuheisel, former college coach. He works for CBS Sports
covering college football. All right, how do you explain Saturday
(26:29):
to me?
Speaker 8 (26:33):
Chaos is the first word that comes to mind, but
I think if you start to think about especially the
Alabama at Oklahoma game, it was really what Oklahoma fans
had left.
Speaker 9 (26:46):
They had a.
Speaker 8 (26:47):
Prominent brand like Alabama coming to town. It was part
of this new revelation of the SEC and they rose
to the occasion, and the team rose to the occasion
because it's all really they had left to play for.
Speaker 9 (27:01):
And that happened.
Speaker 8 (27:02):
Then you saw Auburn, who's been losing all these one
score games. They get it done in front of another
raucous home crowd. So those things happen. It's just part
of this fabric, fabric of the game. Two things are
true about college football, Dan, people love brands, and people
(27:23):
don't want to lose late. Late losses are way more
damaging than early losses, and that's what we're seeing.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Okay, give me the teams that are out out, they
will not make the playoffs.
Speaker 8 (27:35):
Goodness, I don't know that there are many that we
can say that about given what I just said. In
terms of these games that are in. So I still
think Clemson, Alabama, Ole, Miss, Texas A, and M South Carolina.
Speaker 9 (27:49):
Are all still are all still alive.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
So okay, there has to be somebody who's out through
all of the TCU.
Speaker 8 (27:58):
TCU is out three in the Big Twelve, they're mathematically eliminated.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Yes, all right? Is Indiana still in the in the hunt?
Speaker 9 (28:07):
Here?
Speaker 8 (28:07):
I think by virtue of those three losses in the SEC,
I think Indiana is going to be in. I think
they're eleven and one record, assuming they beat Perdue, who's
lost ten in a row or yeah, ten in a row.
Speaker 9 (28:20):
I think they're in.
Speaker 8 (28:21):
I think they'll they'll get a pass and they might
be the eleven seed, but they'll get in.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Okay, Ole Miss is in according to you? Or still in? No?
Speaker 9 (28:30):
Ole Miss is out?
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Oh we found an outer Okay, but still with hope,
but still with hope.
Speaker 8 (28:37):
See, they and Alabama are sitting there watching Georgia, watching
Tennessee hoping for a Purdue miracle, watching Miami at Syracuse.
They're watching games like that saying, hey, let's have a
little bit more chaos this weekend. Colorado still in Colorado
is right now, if the four teams tied for the lead,
(28:59):
all win and it would be Arizona State and Utah State,
Colorado would be out. So they need a Kansas State
win over Iowa State something like that.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Have we now?
Speaker 1 (29:12):
I was a big proponent for expanding because I said,
you're going to get more teams involved in this and
games later in the season, We're going to be more important.
But how tough is the committee's job now? Because when
you had four, it felt like maybe there was one school,
maybe two that should have been in. Now when you
have twelve, it feels like there's going to be five
(29:35):
six teams that are going to have a legitimate beef here.
Speaker 8 (29:39):
Oh well, I think that's accurate, and that makes it
even that much more exciting to wake up on that
Sunday and see exactly what the committee's going through. Heck,
if the supercomputers take till Tuesday to figure out who's
actually in a Big Ten championship game, I mean you
could imagine what the machinations are in that committee room.
Speaker 9 (29:58):
So yeah, this is this is wild. I think what's interesting.
Speaker 8 (30:02):
You know, Georgia, by virtue of all the chaos, is
now assured of playing in the SEC championship game. I
will guarantee you that if Kirby came on here and
we made him take a truth a lie detector test,
he would say, you'd rather not play in that game.
And I think we will eventually evolve to what the
basketball tournament does in Dayton. There will be playing games
(30:25):
to have some of these teams that are sitting right
there on the edge get a chance to play their
way in and let the teams who have punched their
ticket actually rest. I mean, we don't worry about conference tournaments.
We do it for the money grab in basketball, but
no one cares who wins them. Once you've already you know,
made it to the dance, and I think college football
(30:45):
will end up feeling very, very similar.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
I'm talking to Rick new Heisl, CBS Sports College Football analyst.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
You were at Yankee Stadium with Army in Notre Dame. Yes,
you know, aside.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
From Northern Illinois, Notre Dame is a a really really
solid team.
Speaker 8 (31:02):
I don't that was a very impressive performance. It was
men amongst boys, and that's not too slight. What's been
a terrific season for Jeff Monkin and the Black Knights.
They just were bigger and better and had that triple
option dialed. I mean the fact that they had played Navy,
play Navy every year. They have a plan for that,
(31:23):
and there was nothing for Bryce and Day and the
Black Knights to do. Army has played beautifully. Now Jade
and Mayava becomes the giant killer, and everybody in college
football in a conference is pulling for the former UNLB
quarterback to see if he can get the trifecta because
he's already won two. He beat Nebraska and he beat UCLA.
(31:43):
So can he now knock off Notre Dame in Los Angeles?
Because if he does, there'll be some lovely parting gifts
for he and the Trojans, because they'll have knocked out
not only Notre Dame, but have given somebody access to
the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
So Notre Dame, it's win and you're in against you.
Speaker 9 (32:01):
I think so.
Speaker 8 (32:01):
I think if they lost their second game here to
usc who despite their name, is still only a six
and five team, and you couple that with a Northern
Illinois loss, somebody with a three even three loss team.
You know, take the winner of Clemson in South Carolina.
You could make a case that that team could get in,
especially if Clemson gets were that winner with just two losses.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
What's it like for the coach when fans storm the
field after you lost the game.
Speaker 8 (32:32):
Oh, usually you're surrounded by these you know, police officers
that are just trying to get you in there. But yeah,
I mean there's part of me when that happens is
you're kind of like, this is just still the coolest
game in the world. I mean, I'm upset that I lost,
but it's still the cool And people run by and
say things, but they're they're moving fast. It's not a
(32:53):
big deal.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
You never took it personal when they say you suck
Rick or you know.
Speaker 8 (32:59):
I get that so often Dad that it never you
get that at home?
Speaker 9 (33:03):
Yeah, I get that. I get that at home. No worries.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Great to talk to you again. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 9 (33:09):
Always a privilege, my friend. Hey, Happy Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
When are we getting a song? Are you? Are you
contractually obligated to CBS?
Speaker 7 (33:17):
You know?
Speaker 8 (33:17):
No, no problem, no, no, yeah, no, We've got to
come up with one. I'm working on some stuff. Yeah,
you know what I'm thinking.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Here you go, the ballad of the twelve team playoff.
Speaker 8 (33:29):
You've okay, Well now it's going to right itself. Yeah,
done done. I will begin in earnest today.
Speaker 9 (33:39):
Thank you, Rick, day buddy,
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