November 29, 2024 • 45 mins
Doug Gottlieb and Dan Beyer in for Dan and the guys as they try and figure out what happened with the Bears in the final seconds of their game on Thanksgiving against the Lions.
Doug and Dan weigh in on Tom Brady's criticism of Daniel Jones before welcoming former Bucs' GM and long-time NFL Executive Mark Dominik onto the show to discuss all the major headlines around the NFL.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
The Thanksgiving hangover is absolutely real on this Black Friday,
still talking about what happened between the Bears and Lions
and Doug. This is the great thing about what happened
yesterday are these Thanksgiving Day games on TV, on Fox,
on CBS are the highest ranging games throughout the regular season,
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year after year after year. So on full display was
the incompetency of the Chicago Bears in a game that
is probably going to be first or second of the
highest rate of games that we'll see in the regular season.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yep, pretty much, I've never seen anything like that. And
maybe and Bears fans are sitting there going like, welcome
to my world. But I've never seen anything like that. Like,
you had a time out and you could have dirted
the ball. There's a million things you could have done,
and you barely get a playoff and don't even get
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an opportunity to second play like it was so indescribably
awful to watch. I had sympathy for Bears fans.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
You know where I compared it to like immediately in
the aftermath, because because he said, you haven't seen anything
like that, it reminded me of the Sopranos ending when
people we are like, wait, that's it, it, it's just over,
it's done.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
And because it was so sudden, you felt that the
Bears had all this time, a little bit like I
think super Bowl fifty six at the end where you
thought the Bengals were driving, they get to midfield and
they have what a second and one and then they
get a couple of stops and then Aaron Donald Reeke's
havoc and oh that's the game. That's over. The Rams
have won the Super Bowl. That's what yesterday out like.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
No, no, no, no, no, no. I I agree with you,
and it it felt like we're missing something. But these
I felt like all of America is streaming at the TV.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yes, I just well, yeah, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Here here's the setup. So I took my team to
my country club, oh not a country club for Thanksgiving dinner,
and we have one. Ryan Wade is a six year senior.
He's from Michigan's from an arbor, Michigan, and so he's
got he's always rocking his Lions jersey. Matter of fact,
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when the Lions came in and beat the Packers, it's
great trash talk and he he you know, they all
owned it with him in the locker room. But we're
watching as kind of dinner is sort of wrapping up,
and collectively everyone is first that the the the ups
and downs of watching Caleb Williams play are are really
I mean, I again, it's it's like, well, he's just
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a rookie, but there are some pleasure, like God, he's awful.
Then you're like, well, you know they're not bad. Then
all of a sudden, they start kind of moving the football,
they score a touchdown, they're down three points. The Lions
were kind of asleep of the wheel. The lines were
almost it was almost as if, hey, why don't you
guys come and beat us because we're not really that
into this thing. And then you drive down the field
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and it's a pretty obvious situation to call a timeout, clock,
a ball whatever, And I just, again I could be
wrong because I was simply sitting in the bar area
with thirty or so other guys. But everyone I know
is screaming at the TV, like, what are you doing?
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Call it timeout, Dirk the football? What are you it's
And there's only one Lions fan and no one is
a Bears fan just watching that debucle And then the
comments afterward from me reflu She's like.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
What.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
His explanation? It's tough to understand.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Then we're there at second and twenty, you know, take
the sack right there, you know, So we're at thirty
six seconds right there, And our hope was, because it
was third going into fourth, that we would we wreck
that play at eighteen seconds, throw it in, bounce, get
into field goal range, and then call the time out.
And that's where it was. And that was our decision
making process on that. Again, we were outside the field
goal range, you know, so we needed to get a
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few more yards in there as close as we can get,
and then we're gonna call time out. And that's why
we held that last time out at the end of
the game.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
I like what we did there.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Again, once it's under seven, you know you're gonna you're
gonna call you know, time out there or actually under twelve,
and then really you don't have an option, you know,
because it's third to fourth. You got to throw it
into the end zone. Then, So to me, it's uh,
I think we handled it the right way, but I
do believe that, uh, just we wreck the play, get
it in bounce and call time out, and that's why
we held it and didn't work out the way we
wanted it to.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
I mean, firstly, is this is an obvious one, right,
everyone I know was streaming. You can't take a sack there,
So that is on Caleb Williams. I can't can't take us,
can't take us, can't die. You can't take a sack there. Right,
And then and what he was saying is they obviously
have their rules under twelve, call a timeout. He didn't
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do it, you know under seven, and you gotta throw it,
you know, throw it for the end zone. I understand
all of that, but just the well, what about that
time gap between when when the last play ended and
when you got to under twelve under seven?
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Here's what's there's so many layers to this. It's amazing
because Doug even on this drive a couple of plays earlier,
they actually had two timeouts, but they took one in
a dead ball situation because the play clock was running down,
so they threw an incomplete pass and they had a
second down and ten, and they ended up calling a
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timeout because eber Flus didn't think that Caleb Williams was
going to get the snap off. Williams actually, I think
was planning on getting the snap off and knew the
play clock was running down and was going to just
take advantage of the pause on the double zero where
you can still snap it. And he seemed frustrated that
he was unable to get the playoff and that the
Bears called timeout, So they wasted one of their timeouts
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just on a dead ball scenario inside the thirty yard line.
They had forty six seconds left, they had two timeouts.
They're at the Lions twenty five yard line. At that point,
you're thinking, to heck, with the field goal, we can
win this thing. Yes, let's put it into the end zone.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yes not.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
How are we going to end up out of field
goal range and have time run out on us? Yes,
the furthest thing from anyone's mind.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
And look, Ebra Fluis is not an offensive guy, but
it's pretty obvious if you listen to what he's saying
they do have rules and a process, and you know,
it's couldn't be more obvious that those two are not
on the same page. I would say that Caleb Williams
strikes me, and this is a little bit of inside
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knowledge of his time at SC as a guy who's
really smart. But this is the issue with really smart
young players. They think they know everything, right. I means
most of us when we're in our early twenties, especially
when people tell us we're smart, we think we know everything.
And you know, now it's on full display and end
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of the day that looks like a poorly coach football team.
There's just no other way you can say it.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I think from top to bottom. One of the biggest
problems that I had was they don't have a kicker
on their team that can kick a fifty eight yard
field goal indoors Ebriflu says that they needed more yards
because of Caleb Williams taking that sack to kick a
field goal. Then the longest field goal in NFL history
is what sixty six yards from Justin Tucker kicked where
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Ford Field, home of the Detroit Lions and the Bears,
where I think collateral damage plays in I think what
happened the last couple of weeks ago against the Packers
ends up playing into their mind and settling for that
field goal at that time. But man, and it was
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the only thing to think about it was it was
third down long.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Yes, think about this year Bears fan, Okay, should have
won the Packers game, probably should have won the Vikings game.
Had the Commander's game won. Doesn't mean you would have
won last night or yesterday afternoon, but that thing at
least should have gone overtime. And you're sitting here and
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again like, what's the expression. There's a football expression. More
games are lost than one. I have a ton of
respect for what Dan Campbell and the Lions have done overall.
Yesterday they didn't win that game. The Bears lost that game.
There's just no other way. And the same thing with
the Commander's game. They didn't win that. The Canners didn't
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win that game. The Bears lost that game. And and
as a as a Charger fan, I mean a Jay
stew are like, I don't even have PTSD for that
because as poorly coached the problem with the Chargers, especially
in Brandon Staley, were guys were just wide open, right
like it was the defensive guy and they just had
leave dudes wide open. But the one compy, the one
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comp is was will always be that the Chargers just
found ways to lose games they should rightfully win. And
that's where the Bears are. And then there's got to
be the added part to it, like then if we
want to get the brass tacks, could have gotten rid
of Eberflus last year chose not to Harball, and again
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I don't know if he chooses the Bears when he
could have chosen his own quarterback. But Harball leaves Michigan,
he goes to the Chargers and they are immediately a
playoff team. You stick with Eberflus and this season has
been a debacle. Here's here's Caleb Williams after the game
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talking about some of the communication issues.
Speaker 7 (10:15):
I don't have a microphone to speak to coach or
anything like that, so there was there wasn't like any
huge communication that situation. You get a call with that time,
you gotta, you know, you gotta try and get the
guys back. I get everybody lined up, so you go
run a play and you know, we got lined up,
got the play, and then you know, I made an
adjustment because I saw the clock running down, knowing that
if we complete a ball and you know, in bounds
or anything like that, we won't have time to kick
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a field goal or anything like that. So you know,
I made adjustment new Rome was either gonna be one
on one or he was gonna you know, beat the
safety and be one on one there, and you know,
tried to give him a shot. We got the shot
and miss.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Okay, so that didn't make sense because he had a
time out. Here's Caleb Williams was said he was surprised
that the timeout wasn't called.
Speaker 7 (10:55):
All the time out. We cannot surprise. I'm not gonna
say surprise or not. Just my job is to go
out there and make plays. My job is to get everybody
lined up.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
That's it. Win games. So didn't do that today.
Speaker 7 (11:05):
You know, I could have gave Rome a you know,
maybe a little bit more of a jump ball in
that situation instead of maybe trying to throw it over
his shoulder anything like that. But you know, with that situation,
that's not what happened.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Yeah, So in other words, he adjusted as if they
didn't have a timeout when they did have a timeout. Again,
that's on Caleb Williams, and you can hear from the
confidence in his voice kind of what I'm talking about Dan,
which is like he's not an idiot. He's actually really bright,
but I think he thinks he knows everything. He's like, yeah,
you know that situation, you know, we didn't couldn't couldn't
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you know, couldn't get a clock for a field goal? Like, yeah,
you can. He goes down and call timeout.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yeah, And he also made it explain it almost felt
like it was a one on one situation. I think
he may may have mentioned, well it wasn't. There were
actually two lines defenders. If Romadunze catches that pass, he's
actually still in the field of play. Time probably runs
out anyway. Just a bad decision if you're looking at
the and you decide to throw it that far downfield.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
I just I just I just I just sat there
and was Austin. I tweeted this, Dan, and I'm not
saying this because you don't follow me whatever, like, but
this is how I felt. I just I turned and
I was with my coach, was like, what do we
just watch? And then what you do? This is like
when you know you're a coach is you start to scramble.
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You like to go have we have we gone over?
Have we gone over? All these situations? They're like, yeah,
like no, have we gone over? And then I it's
funny because you know the other thing happening this time
of year. In addition to all these standalone football games,
we got our first Black Friday games as well today
Doug Gottlib Dan Byron for Dan The Dan Nets Dan
Patrick Show, Fox Sports Radio is this is a huge
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feast week. College basketball is everywhere. So all my players
are watching games and sending me plays like coach, can
we do this? Coach, can we do that? I want
to do this? And I had my point guard was like, hey,
we're fouling up three, fouling up three, aren't we? Like yeah,
we talked about this in the summer and early in
the fall. He's like under seven seconds, Yeah, Like we
need to go back over that. I guess we do.
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So that's when like you know you've swipped into full
coach mode. Is when you're watching a different sport and
then you turn to your coaches and you're like, hey,
we got to go over all this stuff. I just
we cannot look like that. Yeah, because I don't even
know what I just saw.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
I was in your In for You on your normal
show on Fox Sports Radio yesterday and we had Tim
Patrick of the Lions on afterwards. Asked him about the scenario.
He had no idea what the Bears were doing. I
asked him if they have a plan with the Lions
on if it's him or Ben Johnson or Jared Goffer,
anybody who would call a time out. He goes, yeah,
we have a plan in that scenario on how we
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would handle it. Now, Dan Campbell hasn't always been the
greatest in time management at times, but the fact is,
at least the Lions said that they had a plan,
and to me what I felt I felt the Green
Bay game, so came in to question as the clock
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was ticking down and when eber Flu says, you know,
we got to a certain point, I almost feel like
at eighteen seconds he felt it was out of his hands,
but it never should be when you're the head coach,
because he felt like, if we call a time out here,
then we can't throw it inbounds and we're not close
enough and we're not going to be able to get
our kicking unit out in time. If the clock continues
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to run, and so then I think he kind of
froze and panicked when he probably should have then just
called the timeout at seven seconds left, so they at
least run a play or figure out what they're going
to do, and instead it just ended.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Well, it's it's interesting, and look, we have this discussion
as we go, but it's like I would say, the
number one thing that I'm learning on the fly is
the use of the timeouts. You know, we played Okahma
State the first game as one point game at the half,
they made a run and because in college basketball under
sixteen you have a timeout. Under twelve you have a timeout,
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I found myself kind of thinking in like a right,
do I call one? Now? Do I not Nike again?
And you have three in the second half, you have
four ones that use it or lose it in the
first half, and you end up like questioning yourself, Okay,
when do I use it? So, if you've watched our games,
my use of timeouts has is starting to kind of
change involved. I'm you know, when you coach in in
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FEBA basketball, you get three, but only two you can
use under two minutes in the second half, right, So
that's it's like a different you can't use all three,
can't pocket all three? There When you coach like AAU basketball,
usually you get either one or two timeouts a half
and that's it. And obviously there's no media timeouts, so
you're you're kind of trying to figure and manipulating and
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you got to pocket at least one if you can.
But do you pocket two? Like it's a it's an
interesting thing. My point to Eberflus is I totally understand,
like those timeouts they can get away, you know, do
I save one? Do I use one? But it's not
like this is first year coaching, i'd being a head coach.
It's not like he hasn't been an end of game
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scenarios before. And I just their their use and misuse
of all of it. It just and again this is
probably the point you made about the kicker is is
the right one, which is if you just look at
this uh in a in a vacuum and it's a
one off and it's a really bad look and it's
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one game against the Detroit lines, You're like, you know what,
they just got screwed up. Maybe in maybe in the
super not the in where the Lion's played Ford field.
Maybe the clocks are hard to find, maybe they just
made a mistake. Okay, but then when you factor in
they lost an overtime last week, they lost the Packers
on a on a block field goal, the Commanders things
to debacle. Overall, it just does not look like a
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well run unit. You also combined the fact that GM
doesn't have a good enough kicker indoors to kick fifty
eight yards, which though it seems long in our brains
in twenty twenty four, these dudes can make it from
sixty plus, especially indoors. The whole thing is just a
complete mess, complete mess.
Speaker 6 (17:21):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Speaker 3 (17:27):
Obviously, Tom Brady was on the call yesterday of the
Giants Cowboys game, right that was the Big America's what
do we call it, America's Football Game of America's afrigat
America's game where he's on the Cowboys Giants call, and Dan,
I don't know if you heard this, okay, but this
was Tom Brady said this about Daniel Jones asking to
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be released by the Giants.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
I don't know how the whole situation went down, but
to think that you would ask for a release from
a team that committed a lot to you as maybe
different than.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
I would have handled that.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
I always felt I wanted to get the trust and
respect of my teammates, regardless situation, knowing that I was
trying to do the best I put for the team
because that was the.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Most important thing. There's just some different things that.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Happened in the NFL, and everyone makes individual choices, and
I think we're all at points in our career face
different challenges. I faced them in college and some things
didn't go the way I wanted. But the people that
mattered most of me were the guys in the locker room.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
I showed up every day.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
I don't care if they asked me to be Scout
team safety, the Scout team quarterback.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
I was going to do whatever I could.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
To help the team win.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Yeah. So Tom Brady like, it sounds great to say, right,
It's like, man, I would have showed up no matter
what I would have been Scout Team safety. The problem
with it is it's so far from the reality where
Daniel Jones actually offered up to be the Scout team safety.
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The problem is that the way in which these contracts
are constructed ark Dominic in a second, Dan, but you
know this is they can't the Giants can't put him
out there even for practice, for risk of injury, because
if he gets hurt even at practice, well then they
owe him even more money. Right that contract is already
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in Alba. Trust it gets even worse.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
There's there's a lot to it. And I also look
at as just as Brady trying to make the transition
as a broadcaster and Mike Florio often frequent guest with
the Dan Patrick. Obviously on the Dan Patrick Show, Florio
pointed out that this is your job as an analyst
to do this sort of thing, to get that information.
I understand that you're coming from the player's perspective, but
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I think a simple conversation, which was Florio's point, would
have solved this whole riddle for Tom Brady. Instead to
give his perspective the way that he did.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
It's really interesting because I would I would say that
if I had my analysis of his analysis generally is
he's been he's been way over prepared, and he has
he's got to do games for a couple of years,
and you know, in order to truly get comfortable and
just find his voice, but in this particular case, it
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felt like Tom Brady was It was like his ted talk.
You know. It was like one of those Instagram reels
on Tom Brady that has made him very popular, which
is like I would have showed up to work no
matter what, no matter what, Like, yeah, dude, all you
got to do is make a call. You're Tom Brady.
They're gonna pick up the phone. And they would have said, like, hey, look,
he wanted to go there, but they don't want him around,
okay because he can't participate if he gets hurt, costs
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us more money. Like he actually did a solid by
the team by removing himself from the situation. All right,
more on that to come. Let's welcome in. Mark Dominic,
of course, was the former gentle manager of the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers. By the way, he joins us weekly on
the Doug Gotlib Show. You should check out those hits.
Just download the Doug Gotlib Show podcast. Mark, am I
am I wrong?
Speaker 7 (20:53):
That?
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Like Tom Brady said, it's one of those like grand
standing get applause from people. Tom would show up to
work no matter what when the reality is that it's
better for everybody if you decide to move on from
Daniel Jones to not have him around the organization.
Speaker 8 (21:11):
Morning, guys, And yeah, I agree. I hope you guys
had a good Thanksgiving and hopefully enjoyed the games. But
I agree with you guys. I mean, it's pretty standard,
and Tom's never in this kind of position right not
where his contract is just overbearing and the reality is
the organization is moving on and walking away, and so
therefore he can't see it from that lens. But he
could have been better prepared for that comment. I'm sure
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he faced a little bit of backlash today, has deserved.
But no, this is a decision made around the table
with the agent, player club, et cetera, all deciding that
that's the best interest. And I don't disagree that he
shouldn't be there. I am sure that with the injuries
that it looks like he could have played, they would
have still gone through lock. And so it is what
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it is.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Is it simple enough, since we're talking about Daniel Jones,
that the Vikings make this move basically just for insurance
purposes for the rest of the season because it seems
like they have a future. What do you think was
going through the mind of Qusia Delpha Menza making that
signing for Minnesota.
Speaker 8 (22:12):
Yeah, I think I think they're just kind of looking
at all things. I think they're kind of looking at
from a perspective of not sure where their quarterback is
in terms of help, knowing that more than the likely
Sam Donald's going to find a different home in twenty
twenty five, and therefore we can already be protected with
the backup quarterback and get to see him and let
our coaches get to feel him, understand him, and see
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what ticks and let our coaches have a little play
with him. We've seen what they've done with Sam Donald
and be making Minnesota relevant in twenty twenty four, and
I think that they're trying to say, hey, let's kick
the tires on this one. So I think it's a
longer term move, depending on if Daniel Jones likes the
environments as much as maybe they like Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
I would also say, Mark, you tell me if I'm wrong. Okay,
there's something in basketball. You have basketball families, footballs, you
have football families. I think it's brilliant from Daniel Jones
and his agent in that they don't really have a
connection to the Shanahan Tree and knowing that system, the verbiage,
how everything works. And this gives Daniel Jones, you know,
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the next couple of months to learn the system, which
doesn't mean it works in Minnesota, but if you look
throughout the league, Kevin O'Connell has connections with everybody else.
It puts him in a completely different football family and
gives them an opportunity because that's what you do, right
Like when you have a new coach, you're bringing a
guy who knows the system, whether starter or backup. And
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I think it's a brilliant move from that perspective. Could
that be what the agent's thinking, Oh.
Speaker 8 (23:40):
I think absolutely. I think you know, you're looking at
what's the best offense right now in the NFL, who's
having the most success. You're thinking in those situations, you're thinking,
who's you know, who's been able to resurrect careers or
create careers. You're thinking that situation. So it makes a
ton of sense. And again on the practice squad or
any think that you're not married to anything as you're
Daniel Jones, So right now you're as much getting dated
as you're trying to date. And so I think in
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that spot it really works well for him to see
if he enjoys the system, enjoys the coaching, and enjoy
the environment, or is this just a quick stop, you know,
learning more and then finding a different place in twenty
twenty five win free or when the end of the
season hits and you decide if you're going to sign
a practice by guys back or not.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Mark Dominic joining us here on the Dan Patrick Show.
We're obviously going to talk about Mattieberfluss and the Bears.
He said today he's met with Ryan Poles, is met
with Kevin Warren. We'll have a meeting later on. What
do you say, What are the questions you're asking your
head coach after that end of game debacle yesterday in Detroit.
Speaker 8 (24:38):
Well, I have a hard time. You know, they complete
that pass without the face in the hands of the
face and they're at the thirteen yard line and they
have had to win. Instead, they do get the penalty,
so it's a twenty two yard penalty in theory, and
then they turn around and get sacked. I feel like
someone and it shows you that the lack of I
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guess maturity on Caleb Williams to not understand that this
is a moment where you can't just wait for the call.
You either got to take the time out, throw a
ball to pick yourself in the deal goal position, or something
on the sideline should be taking the time out. To
me that, I'm Ryan Coles. I'm trying to understand why
didn't we burn the timeout? I know, you know we
would have to get the ball you know, spiked, or
we had to throw it to the sidelines. But how
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do we let the clock expire? And to me, that's
a big question. And as a GM, I don't ask
that question last night. I ask him this morning. It's
too emotional last night. It's going to be hard to
get the right answer. It's going to add a know
this morning you walk in with your head coach and
you said, let's go through the chain of events and
how that played out last night and talk to me
about what you have seen. I think Mattiebflus makes it
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through this weekend. I know he's very confident that he'll
make it through the weekend. I just don't know if
it's really because the Bears have been playing a little better,
and certainly the second half was shocking for them to
make it come back. This game should have been you know,
out the door in the first half. Obviously by the
way the Lions just kind of blundered in the red zone.
But I think you hold on to Mattewberflus for at
least the other week or two and you are going
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through the process. You know, if Ryan Puls may not
know what's going on, he might be part of the
you know, the sweeping. So you know, to ask you
again and manager what's going on may not be the
best question, but I think you hold onto everything for
a week or two more. But behind the scenes, as as.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Kevin Warren, Yeah, Mark, Mark, how do you not fire
somebody again? And if it was just this game, okay,
but they're lining up to beat the Green Bay Packers
who have owned them for the better part of a decade.
And the guy sits on a forty six yard field
goal that gets blocked. Again, not his fault that the
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trajectory was so low or that the blocking was bad.
That's like, not technically his fault, but this is not
the first And then you go to the commander's game again,
not necessarily his fault that he's got a cornerback who's
who's dancing and celebrating while the ball is already snapped,
but it is that that's his football team, Like, how
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do you continue? And again, Mark, you know, I'm a coach,
I'm actually sensitive to this thing. But how do you
not fire somebody today?
Speaker 8 (27:09):
I just think where you at in the season change
to take a change of where you sit as an organization,
is it really going to change the outcome? I mean
you gotta look at your own staff and say, who
would I want to be the head coach?
Speaker 3 (27:21):
And why and what do you want to maybe maybe
not maybe not the head coach? Like somebody's literally got
to get like, somebody has to get there has to
be some level of accountability, doesn't there Or you're just like, hey,
he's gonna get fired anyway, let's just like let him
play out the string. I don't know, Well, it's.
Speaker 8 (27:38):
Like this, you know, and as you said, and you know,
and and I don't think that he won't get fired.
I just don't think they'll do it right now, that
they might. But you talked about the three situations, and
one was on offense, one was on defense, one was
on special chief. Now that all points back to it's
the team not coming together, but they're also in a
position to beat the camp commanders, in position to possibly
beat the lines, in position to possibly beat the packers.
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So you got to look at from like we're right
on the cusp of maybe things are starting to turn.
Even though we're screwing up and lose these games. It's
not like we're getting paradeled or beat bad like we've
seen some other teams. And so I think that's the
only reason they're holding on. But I think change this
thing kick it's going to happen. I don't think that's
I think that's inevitable. I just don't know if you
just have to do it just to make a point
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to whom your fans there going to stay.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Can I get one more on this Bears thing, because
and I said this to Doug earlier, Mark, and I
said it yesterday when it happened. I don't understand how
in this day, in the age of the NFL, you
have a kicker that can't kick one fifty eight yards indoors.
Is that may mean we see guys now trying sixty
four yard field goals. The longest field goal in NFL
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history happened in that stadium yesterday, And to me, that's
a that's that's the Bears telling on themselves that they
don't even have a good enough kicker that they, by
the way, wanted to settle for a forty six yard
or two weeks ago. Like, it doesn't make a lot
of sense to me.
Speaker 8 (29:03):
No, and I don't disagree. I think we've seen certainly
a change in the evolution of pickers. It's easy to
make fifty orders, and it does say something that you
have no confidence that you can make the big kick
in the big moment, especially when time running out and
the odds of you you know, they're not going to
convert a first down. I hated the end of the game,
Like I was naugious. I was like, there's no way
they're going to lose this game. At least it go
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into overtime and see if they somehow come and pull
off this miracle upset. But the Bears did a Bears thing,
And I know that that goes back to Doug. What
you're saying is somebody's got heads got a roll. I just,
you know, no one not knowing the McCaskey family, but
just knowing the overall run with Kevin Warren. I just
think that they're probably, like we fire him. Maybe we
don't want to win more games. Maybe weren't a position
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where we're comfortable our draft pick is right now, even
though it's not ideal that we're not in a bad
spot based off of meeting that first runt pick going forward.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
No, that's listen, that's the only I told Jason Sue
at our producer like, that's the only viable explanation that
I would actually go like, okay, that makes it make
it look so such like such a mess, Like oh
my god, I can't believe we lost this game. And
then you go in the locker, I'm like, dude, we
lost that game. We keep our draft pick. That's the
only thing that could that could get you out of
jail free. It was it was I'm with you, I'm
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watching with my coaches, and we're we just finished Thanksgiving dinner,
and we were all like, oh, okay, what do we
have to prepare for that we have not because this
looks terrible. It just looked I cannot believe how that
game ended. Mark Dominic joining us here on the Dan
Patrick Show, UH with with Dan Byram. I'm Doug Gottlieb
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in for Dan and the Dan Nets. Do the Dolphins
have a cold weather problem or a TUA problem.
Speaker 8 (30:48):
I want to lean towards more of a cold weather
you know. Obviously it's a very tough game for them
as well, where you know, they had a chance to
kind of close the game out in Lambeau, but they couldn't.
I got to give credit and Jeff Athlete, the defensive coordinator.
They did a good job of making it difficult onto
it and you know, being able to stuff them in
the red zone and then turn around and gets pressures
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and sacks. I think that Jeff Appley has done a
really good job with that defense for the most part.
And the uh, you know, I think it's more again,
it's it's not I think two is in a good spot.
I think he's going to be okay as long as
he stays healthy. I don't think some Dolphins are still
to go. We got to get a different quarterback. I
think it was more just I think you got to
get credit to the defensive side and Jeff Happens the coordinator.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
It was it was. It was a dominating performance no
interceptions from from Jordan Love, which is a first this year,
and the Packers look like they're playing their best best football.
I hope you had a great Thanksgiving. Mark. We love
talking football with you. Enjoy your Black Friday sports and
we'll talk to you next week.
Speaker 8 (31:47):
Yeah, I'm very curious to see what Aidan O'Connell does
today for the Raiders. Then the whole season will be
waiting to see if he's any good. It doesn't really
matter so much, but it does to the Raiders brass
to see if he can do anything against his Chiefs today.
So it'll be fun to watch.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
It will be fun to watch he's Mark Dominickie joins
this weekly on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 6 (32:03):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Just for people who don't listen to the Doug Gottlieb Show,
which airs daily three to five Eastern twelfth two Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app. Dan Byer is actually
a native of Wisconsin. And for people who haven't followed
my journey, I am was born in Wisconsin and now
I'm the head coach at Wisconsin Green Bay and this
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is my I guess this is the fourth Packer game
I've gotten to go to this season, which is pretty cool. Right,
went to the I think warmest Packer game ever was
was the home opener against the Innapolis Colts. The Texans
game was incredibly exciting. I was sitting kind of in
the lower bowl, just up off the end zone where
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people do the Lambeau Leap. And then I was there
for the first half of the Cardinals game, which was
a relative blowout, not really competitive. And last night after
Thanksgiving dinner, got a chance to got my first night
time and cold weather, and there was some flurries, so
it felt a little bit like a snow glow game.
It's pretty enjoyable BYR. You've obviously been to Packer games.
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Have you been to a game where it's snowing?
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Gosh, Doug, I've been to one of the coldest games
on record when they played the Raiders in the early nineties,
the day the Lambell leap was there. I was there
for the NFC championship game and they beat the Panthers
in the mid nineties.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Yeah, was there the home that was gosh, that was
giving Kerry Collins. Yeah, oh yeah, even before that, so
it was yeah. So I've been there. I've been to
a few few good ones, and it's it's definitely definitely
different from from December and January compared to say that
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nice late summer hot day in September or in Earth.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Just it's so interesting, you know. And what I found
to be fascinating is when you when you kind of
zoom out and you look at the whole stadium. Right,
obviously they have a there's a ton of people in
pack you throw your Packers jersey over your coveralls or
over whatever you're wearing. But there's also in just about
every section there were two or three that were straight
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up in bright orange hunting gear right just straight up
right now, yes it is, you know, straight up just
shot a buck and now I'm gonna watch the Packers
play then, and I would say there's about three times
that many in every section wearing full camo. And but
then you cover the camo with a packer's jersey or
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you know, some sort of packers, packers, packers jack what whatever.
And it was cold now full disclosure of my seats
were the club seats, so you could sit out outside
and I sat outside most of the game and then
go inside and get a hot choker or get a
beer and watch the game. And so it's like the
Lower Bowl when you're in the lower bowl like that's it.
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You're hardcore, You're squeezed in next to everybody else. Everyone's
into the game. But it is cold. It's not as
bad when you're up in the club section, cause you know,
when you want to tap out, you can just go
tap out and warm up for about ten or so seconds.
I was. I did sweats and then ski pants and
then a big parka, and I had the handwarmers in
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my pocket just in case, and I was fine. It
was not It wasn't bad at all, unless you were
a Miami Dolphin. Unless you were a Miami Dolphin. Here's
Mike McDaniel, head coach of the Miami Dolphins, talking about
the narrative that this team can't play in cold weather.
Speaker 9 (35:50):
That's the thing with narratives, there's one way to change them.
And so that, Yeah, my expectation would be, you know
those who I mean, the naysayers, well, you know, you
prove him right, they'll be louder. So that's part of
the territory. You have to you carry that until you
until you do something about it. And unfortunately we didn't tonight.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Yeah, I mean, like you know, when when was it
Malik Washington who fumbled the the the opening punt. Many
you can't it just looked it. You don't know that
that's why they're playing the way they're playing, but they
looked they looked incredibly uncomfortable, incredibly uncomfortable. I'll tell you
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my biggest takeaway in watching the game is Tua is
a statue like he can't avoid the rush at all.
You know, it's like like Brady couldn't move, and you
know it was you had to move him off his spot.
But Brady did have at least the ability, maybe until
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super late in his career, where he could just move
just so to the side and just avoid like Tuek
has to get rid of it quick otherwise he can't move,
just can't move. And I told you in our pre
show meeting, you know what was it, Guy's about two
years ago where it was that showdown. You know, Manuel
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Acho had talked about Tua being better than Justin Herbert
and I went to the game at SOFI and what
was fascinating to me about that game was if you
went to the game and you thought the two quarterbacks
were anywhere near the same stratosphere, you needed to have
an eye examination. When you're done It's not just because
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Herbert's like four inches taller. The velocity of his throws
is like two x that of Tua. To build a
layer throws, to build a move in the pocket, like
everything is completely better. One guy looked like a college quarterback.
The other guy looked like a pro quarterback. I thought
the same last night. And I know Tua's numbers were decent,
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but the difference, and it was probably Jordan Love's best
overall performance because he didn't throw a pick and wasn't
this They didn't throw a pick. He didn't throw even
one that was close to being intercepted, whereas in I
think he'd thrown a pick in every game previous this
year and there was usually two or three that were
kind of up for grabs. Like Jordan Love played really well,
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but more than anything, just just looked he moved better.
He's a little bigger, arms, much stronger. I just my takeaway,
Dan was god to it cannot I mean, one of
the reasons he gets hit so much is he can't move.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
It's this is and I think he said something interesting
about to his numbers because they do look good, and honestly,
when you consider what the Dolphins had to put out
when he was out with his concussion and the problems
that they had at the position and too obviously is
an upgrade, but is he just a compiler? This is
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it's almost it feels like as well that the Dolphins
are at a crossroads, not with Tua because they paid
him like he's going to be their guy, but is
this what life is like when you figure out that
Tyreek Hill isn't going to be Tyreek Hill anymore? And
there's something going on with how defenses are stopping Tyreek Hill.
But also if you're the Dolphins when you gave two
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of that deal, you couldn't think that Tyreek Hill was
going to be the same wide receiver for as many
years as Tua was getting his contract. Just Tua was
going to have to take control and be that guy.
And I think to your point of what you're saying
is not only is he probably not going to be
that guy, the concerns that we all have or that
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something bad could happen to him again, likely could happen
to him again because he just can't move. It's scary,
but that's gonna be the world the Dolphins live in.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Profet, what are your thoughts just.
Speaker 6 (39:54):
A real quick stat I just saw here. The Dolphins
are three and thirteen straight up as a road underdog
since twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Yeah, this is Doug. You've said it a ton on
your show a couple of years ago, and they made
that push and not to do is Jason Stewart loves
schedule radio. But they beat nobody's And I'm someone who
would give credit to people and say, well, at least
you're winning the games that you're supposed to. But this
kind of seems to be who the Dolphins are. The
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three game winning streak came against the Rams, Raiders and Patriots.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Yeah. Yeah, there was a lot to that game last night.
I mean one it just it was interesting that the
Packers look, that was the first time, you know, start
to finish outside of maybe the first drive. It really
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felt like the Packers were really really sharp, really sharp.
They looked like they had gotten to a different level.
And you know, obviously we know the Dolphins defense is
not their strength. But we're sitting around there talking and
I was one of my players was with me. He's
from Israel, and so I was explaining the dynamic of
the Dolphins and that they struggle in cold weather. And
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you know, you go back to what was it last year,
the year before when they got off to the hot start,
and but all those games were at home and teams
like the Bills wore down late, right, And anybody's been
to Dolphins Stadium in the early in the early part
of the season, os that visitors sideline you're like ants
underneath the uh what's it called magnifying glass. You know,
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you're just you're melting away, and so they benefit from
the heat, but uh, they just one look uncomfortable. Two.
I thought the Packers did a great job of taking
away Tyreek Hill, like his touchdown reception was on a
deflection late in the game. And I would also say,
like in Tyreek Hills defense, like mcdanie's gotta do a
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better job getting inim the football. The one thing they
did in Kansas City was, you know, they'd run those
end a rounds, those little pop passes. They'd find ways
to get him the ball. He's literally the most dynamic
player maybe in the sport. You know, you have to
put two and three guys there on him, and he's
and he was kind of a non factor. So yeah,
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I not a big buyer into the into the Dolphins.
And also obviously the further further down you go down
the line, even if you make the playoffs, you're playing
on the road and that's just not a team that's
built for it. And again, in the AFC, unlike the NFC,
where at least Detroit you're playing in a dome, like
you're playing in Buffalo, you're playing in Kansas City pretty
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much guaranteed on the road, and may or or you're
playing in Baltimore or Pittsburgh. So uh yeah, that's that
is that's let's see, what's the expression, don't buy green bananas. Yeah,
don't buy green bananas.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
I I again, and I just go back to the
to the point of I think we're starting to see
what the new Dolphins are going to look like. And
it wasn't just the cold last night that that's a
great narrative, but let's be real. The Packers are also
just a better team. Yes, yeah, so so it's a
it's a tough game to go to win. But if
you're the Dolphins right now and you're seeing the John
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Us Smith Show, because defenses are taking away Tyreek Hill,
which they have for decent amount of the season. When
two has been available that Yeah, this is you've got
to figure out a different way, and setting up screens
for Devon e Chan is not going to get it done.
And they the numbers that two have put up last
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night looked great. Yes, but if you end up late
to yes, absolutely you're playing catch up. You're down, you're
seven to three.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
Three, the game was over, down twenty seven to three,
and you know they made it got sort of cute
there late. You know they scored scored touchdown to make it.
But even then the Packers can down. They're up nineteen,
and you know they score on the deflected pass and
go for two and don't get it. But I'm with you,
you know again. And the other part to it is
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what we all have come to the realization and the
calculation is if you're going to give that quarterback all
that money, something's got to give that what's gonna happen
with the Packers right now that the Packers run the
benefit of they just don't have a lot of highly
paid guys because they're all so young on that offensive
side of the ball. But eventually, you know you're gonna
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time it out. Something's got to give, and your quarterback
has to be so good that he can overcome that. Right.
That's what's happened with Josh Allen, That's what's happened obviously
with Pat Mahomes. We'll see if Lamar Jackson right, because
now he's making that huge money. So the defense is
not as good as it used to be. They put
it feels like most of their resources in the offensive
side of the football. Your quarterback has to be that
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good to overcome the fact that his massive contract is
going to cause some sort of shortfall. And I don't
believe too. Is that good?
Speaker 4 (45:00):
Hm?
Speaker 3 (45:01):
I just I just don't. I just do not. He's
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
The Thanksgiving hangover is absolutely real on this Black Friday,
still talking about what happened between the Bears and Lions
and Doug. This is the great thing about what happened
yesterday are these Thanksgiving Day games on TV, on Fox,
on CBS are the highest ranging games throughout the regular season,
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year after year after year. So on full display was
the incompetency of the Chicago Bears in a game that
is probably going to be first or second of the
highest rate of games that we'll see in the regular season.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yep, pretty much, I've never seen anything like that. And
maybe and Bears fans are sitting there going like, welcome
to my world. But I've never seen anything like that. Like,
you had a time out and you could have dirted
the ball. There's a million things you could have done,
and you barely get a playoff and don't even get
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an opportunity to second play like it was so indescribably
awful to watch. I had sympathy for Bears fans.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
You know where I compared it to like immediately in
the aftermath, because because he said, you haven't seen anything
like that, it reminded me of the Sopranos ending when
people we are like, wait, that's it, it, it's just over,
it's done.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
And because it was so sudden, you felt that the
Bears had all this time, a little bit like I
think super Bowl fifty six at the end where you
thought the Bengals were driving, they get to midfield and
they have what a second and one and then they
get a couple of stops and then Aaron Donald Reeke's
havoc and oh that's the game. That's over. The Rams
have won the Super Bowl. That's what yesterday out like.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
No, no, no, no, no, no. I I agree with you,
and it it felt like we're missing something. But these
I felt like all of America is streaming at the TV.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yes, I just well, yeah, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Here here's the setup. So I took my team to
my country club, oh not a country club for Thanksgiving dinner,
and we have one. Ryan Wade is a six year senior.
He's from Michigan's from an arbor, Michigan, and so he's
got he's always rocking his Lions jersey. Matter of fact,
(02:34):
when the Lions came in and beat the Packers, it's
great trash talk and he he you know, they all
owned it with him in the locker room. But we're
watching as kind of dinner is sort of wrapping up,
and collectively everyone is first that the the the ups
and downs of watching Caleb Williams play are are really
I mean, I again, it's it's like, well, he's just
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a rookie, but there are some pleasure, like God, he's awful.
Then you're like, well, you know they're not bad. Then
all of a sudden, they start kind of moving the football,
they score a touchdown, they're down three points. The Lions
were kind of asleep of the wheel. The lines were
almost it was almost as if, hey, why don't you
guys come and beat us because we're not really that
into this thing. And then you drive down the field
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and it's a pretty obvious situation to call a timeout, clock,
a ball whatever, And I just, again I could be
wrong because I was simply sitting in the bar area
with thirty or so other guys. But everyone I know
is screaming at the TV, like, what are you doing?
(03:38):
Call it timeout, Dirk the football? What are you it's
And there's only one Lions fan and no one is
a Bears fan just watching that debucle And then the
comments afterward from me reflu She's like.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
What.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
His explanation? It's tough to understand.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Then we're there at second and twenty, you know, take
the sack right there, you know, So we're at thirty
six seconds right there, And our hope was, because it
was third going into fourth, that we would we wreck
that play at eighteen seconds, throw it in, bounce, get
into field goal range, and then call the time out.
And that's where it was. And that was our decision
making process on that. Again, we were outside the field
goal range, you know, so we needed to get a
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few more yards in there as close as we can get,
and then we're gonna call time out. And that's why
we held that last time out at the end of
the game.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
I like what we did there.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Again, once it's under seven, you know you're gonna you're
gonna call you know, time out there or actually under twelve,
and then really you don't have an option, you know,
because it's third to fourth. You got to throw it
into the end zone. Then, So to me, it's uh,
I think we handled it the right way, but I
do believe that, uh, just we wreck the play, get
it in bounce and call time out, and that's why
we held it and didn't work out the way we
wanted it to.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
I mean, firstly, is this is an obvious one, right,
everyone I know was streaming. You can't take a sack there,
So that is on Caleb Williams. I can't can't take us,
can't take us, can't die. You can't take a sack there. Right,
And then and what he was saying is they obviously
have their rules under twelve, call a timeout. He didn't
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do it, you know under seven, and you gotta throw it,
you know, throw it for the end zone. I understand
all of that, but just the well, what about that
time gap between when when the last play ended and
when you got to under twelve under seven?
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Here's what's there's so many layers to this. It's amazing
because Doug even on this drive a couple of plays earlier,
they actually had two timeouts, but they took one in
a dead ball situation because the play clock was running down,
so they threw an incomplete pass and they had a
second down and ten, and they ended up calling a
(05:52):
timeout because eber Flus didn't think that Caleb Williams was
going to get the snap off. Williams actually, I think
was planning on getting the snap off and knew the
play clock was running down and was going to just
take advantage of the pause on the double zero where
you can still snap it. And he seemed frustrated that
he was unable to get the playoff and that the
Bears called timeout, So they wasted one of their timeouts
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just on a dead ball scenario inside the thirty yard line.
They had forty six seconds left, they had two timeouts.
They're at the Lions twenty five yard line. At that point,
you're thinking, to heck, with the field goal, we can
win this thing. Yes, let's put it into the end zone.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yes not.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
How are we going to end up out of field
goal range and have time run out on us? Yes,
the furthest thing from anyone's mind.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
And look, Ebra Fluis is not an offensive guy, but
it's pretty obvious if you listen to what he's saying
they do have rules and a process, and you know,
it's couldn't be more obvious that those two are not
on the same page. I would say that Caleb Williams
strikes me, and this is a little bit of inside
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knowledge of his time at SC as a guy who's
really smart. But this is the issue with really smart
young players. They think they know everything, right. I means
most of us when we're in our early twenties, especially
when people tell us we're smart, we think we know everything.
And you know, now it's on full display and end
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of the day that looks like a poorly coach football team.
There's just no other way you can say it.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I think from top to bottom. One of the biggest
problems that I had was they don't have a kicker
on their team that can kick a fifty eight yard
field goal indoors Ebriflu says that they needed more yards
because of Caleb Williams taking that sack to kick a
field goal. Then the longest field goal in NFL history
is what sixty six yards from Justin Tucker kicked where
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Ford Field, home of the Detroit Lions and the Bears,
where I think collateral damage plays in I think what
happened the last couple of weeks ago against the Packers
ends up playing into their mind and settling for that
field goal at that time. But man, and it was
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the only thing to think about it was it was
third down long.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Yes, think about this year Bears fan, Okay, should have
won the Packers game, probably should have won the Vikings game.
Had the Commander's game won. Doesn't mean you would have
won last night or yesterday afternoon, but that thing at
least should have gone overtime. And you're sitting here and
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again like, what's the expression. There's a football expression. More
games are lost than one. I have a ton of
respect for what Dan Campbell and the Lions have done overall.
Yesterday they didn't win that game. The Bears lost that game.
There's just no other way. And the same thing with
the Commander's game. They didn't win that. The Canners didn't
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win that game. The Bears lost that game. And and
as a as a Charger fan, I mean a Jay
stew are like, I don't even have PTSD for that
because as poorly coached the problem with the Chargers, especially
in Brandon Staley, were guys were just wide open, right
like it was the defensive guy and they just had
leave dudes wide open. But the one compy, the one
(09:30):
comp is was will always be that the Chargers just
found ways to lose games they should rightfully win. And
that's where the Bears are. And then there's got to
be the added part to it, like then if we
want to get the brass tacks, could have gotten rid
of Eberflus last year chose not to Harball, and again
(09:52):
I don't know if he chooses the Bears when he
could have chosen his own quarterback. But Harball leaves Michigan,
he goes to the Chargers and they are immediately a
playoff team. You stick with Eberflus and this season has
been a debacle. Here's here's Caleb Williams after the game
(10:13):
talking about some of the communication issues.
Speaker 7 (10:15):
I don't have a microphone to speak to coach or
anything like that, so there was there wasn't like any
huge communication that situation. You get a call with that time,
you gotta, you know, you gotta try and get the
guys back. I get everybody lined up, so you go
run a play and you know, we got lined up,
got the play, and then you know, I made an
adjustment because I saw the clock running down, knowing that
if we complete a ball and you know, in bounds
or anything like that, we won't have time to kick
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a field goal or anything like that. So you know,
I made adjustment new Rome was either gonna be one
on one or he was gonna you know, beat the
safety and be one on one there, and you know,
tried to give him a shot. We got the shot
and miss.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Okay, so that didn't make sense because he had a
time out. Here's Caleb Williams was said he was surprised
that the timeout wasn't called.
Speaker 7 (10:55):
All the time out. We cannot surprise. I'm not gonna
say surprise or not. Just my job is to go
out there and make plays. My job is to get everybody
lined up.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
That's it. Win games. So didn't do that today.
Speaker 7 (11:05):
You know, I could have gave Rome a you know,
maybe a little bit more of a jump ball in
that situation instead of maybe trying to throw it over
his shoulder anything like that. But you know, with that situation,
that's not what happened.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Yeah, So in other words, he adjusted as if they
didn't have a timeout when they did have a timeout. Again,
that's on Caleb Williams, and you can hear from the
confidence in his voice kind of what I'm talking about Dan,
which is like he's not an idiot. He's actually really bright,
but I think he thinks he knows everything. He's like, yeah,
you know that situation, you know, we didn't couldn't couldn't
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you know, couldn't get a clock for a field goal? Like, yeah,
you can. He goes down and call timeout.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yeah, And he also made it explain it almost felt
like it was a one on one situation. I think
he may may have mentioned, well it wasn't. There were
actually two lines defenders. If Romadunze catches that pass, he's
actually still in the field of play. Time probably runs
out anyway. Just a bad decision if you're looking at
the and you decide to throw it that far downfield.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
I just I just I just I just sat there
and was Austin. I tweeted this, Dan, and I'm not
saying this because you don't follow me whatever, like, but
this is how I felt. I just I turned and
I was with my coach, was like, what do we
just watch? And then what you do? This is like
when you know you're a coach is you start to scramble.
(12:25):
You like to go have we have we gone over?
Have we gone over? All these situations? They're like, yeah,
like no, have we gone over? And then I it's
funny because you know the other thing happening this time
of year. In addition to all these standalone football games,
we got our first Black Friday games as well today
Doug Gottlib Dan Byron for Dan The Dan Nets Dan
Patrick Show, Fox Sports Radio is this is a huge
(12:47):
feast week. College basketball is everywhere. So all my players
are watching games and sending me plays like coach, can
we do this? Coach, can we do that? I want
to do this? And I had my point guard was like, hey,
we're fouling up three, fouling up three, aren't we? Like yeah,
we talked about this in the summer and early in
the fall. He's like under seven seconds, Yeah, Like we
need to go back over that. I guess we do.
(13:10):
So that's when like you know you've swipped into full
coach mode. Is when you're watching a different sport and
then you turn to your coaches and you're like, hey,
we got to go over all this stuff. I just
we cannot look like that. Yeah, because I don't even
know what I just saw.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
I was in your In for You on your normal
show on Fox Sports Radio yesterday and we had Tim
Patrick of the Lions on afterwards. Asked him about the scenario.
He had no idea what the Bears were doing. I
asked him if they have a plan with the Lions
on if it's him or Ben Johnson or Jared Goffer,
anybody who would call a time out. He goes, yeah,
we have a plan in that scenario on how we
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would handle it. Now, Dan Campbell hasn't always been the
greatest in time management at times, but the fact is,
at least the Lions said that they had a plan,
and to me what I felt I felt the Green
Bay game, so came in to question as the clock
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was ticking down and when eber Flu says, you know,
we got to a certain point, I almost feel like
at eighteen seconds he felt it was out of his hands,
but it never should be when you're the head coach,
because he felt like, if we call a time out here,
then we can't throw it inbounds and we're not close
enough and we're not going to be able to get
our kicking unit out in time. If the clock continues
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to run, and so then I think he kind of
froze and panicked when he probably should have then just
called the timeout at seven seconds left, so they at
least run a play or figure out what they're going
to do, and instead it just ended.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Well, it's it's interesting, and look, we have this discussion
as we go, but it's like I would say, the
number one thing that I'm learning on the fly is
the use of the timeouts. You know, we played Okahma
State the first game as one point game at the half,
they made a run and because in college basketball under
sixteen you have a timeout. Under twelve you have a timeout,
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I found myself kind of thinking in like a right,
do I call one? Now? Do I not Nike again?
And you have three in the second half, you have
four ones that use it or lose it in the
first half, and you end up like questioning yourself, Okay,
when do I use it? So, if you've watched our games,
my use of timeouts has is starting to kind of
change involved. I'm you know, when you coach in in
(15:31):
FEBA basketball, you get three, but only two you can
use under two minutes in the second half, right, So
that's it's like a different you can't use all three,
can't pocket all three? There When you coach like AAU basketball,
usually you get either one or two timeouts a half
and that's it. And obviously there's no media timeouts, so
you're you're kind of trying to figure and manipulating and
(15:53):
you got to pocket at least one if you can.
But do you pocket two? Like it's a it's an
interesting thing. My point to Eberflus is I totally understand,
like those timeouts they can get away, you know, do
I save one? Do I use one? But it's not
like this is first year coaching, i'd being a head coach.
It's not like he hasn't been an end of game
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scenarios before. And I just their their use and misuse
of all of it. It just and again this is
probably the point you made about the kicker is is
the right one, which is if you just look at
this uh in a in a vacuum and it's a
one off and it's a really bad look and it's
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one game against the Detroit lines, You're like, you know what,
they just got screwed up. Maybe in maybe in the
super not the in where the Lion's played Ford field.
Maybe the clocks are hard to find, maybe they just
made a mistake. Okay, but then when you factor in
they lost an overtime last week, they lost the Packers
on a on a block field goal, the Commanders things
to debacle. Overall, it just does not look like a
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well run unit. You also combined the fact that GM
doesn't have a good enough kicker indoors to kick fifty
eight yards, which though it seems long in our brains
in twenty twenty four, these dudes can make it from
sixty plus, especially indoors. The whole thing is just a
complete mess, complete mess.
Speaker 6 (17:21):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Obviously, Tom Brady was on the call yesterday of the
Giants Cowboys game, right that was the Big America's what
do we call it, America's Football Game of America's afrigat
America's game where he's on the Cowboys Giants call, and Dan,
I don't know if you heard this, okay, but this
was Tom Brady said this about Daniel Jones asking to
(17:51):
be released by the Giants.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
I don't know how the whole situation went down, but
to think that you would ask for a release from
a team that committed a lot to you as maybe
different than.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
I would have handled that.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
I always felt I wanted to get the trust and
respect of my teammates, regardless situation, knowing that I was
trying to do the best I put for the team
because that was the.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Most important thing. There's just some different things that.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Happened in the NFL, and everyone makes individual choices, and
I think we're all at points in our career face
different challenges. I faced them in college and some things
didn't go the way I wanted. But the people that
mattered most of me were the guys in the locker room.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
I showed up every day.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
I don't care if they asked me to be Scout
team safety, the Scout team quarterback.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
I was going to do whatever I could.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
To help the team win.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Yeah. So Tom Brady like, it sounds great to say, right,
It's like, man, I would have showed up no matter
what I would have been Scout Team safety. The problem
with it is it's so far from the reality where
Daniel Jones actually offered up to be the Scout team safety.
(18:55):
The problem is that the way in which these contracts
are constructed ark Dominic in a second, Dan, but you
know this is they can't the Giants can't put him
out there even for practice, for risk of injury, because
if he gets hurt even at practice, well then they
owe him even more money. Right that contract is already
(19:16):
in Alba. Trust it gets even worse.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
There's there's a lot to it. And I also look
at as just as Brady trying to make the transition
as a broadcaster and Mike Florio often frequent guest with
the Dan Patrick. Obviously on the Dan Patrick Show, Florio
pointed out that this is your job as an analyst
to do this sort of thing, to get that information.
I understand that you're coming from the player's perspective, but
(19:40):
I think a simple conversation, which was Florio's point, would
have solved this whole riddle for Tom Brady. Instead to
give his perspective the way that he did.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
It's really interesting because I would I would say that
if I had my analysis of his analysis generally is
he's been he's been way over prepared, and he has
he's got to do games for a couple of years,
and you know, in order to truly get comfortable and
just find his voice, but in this particular case, it
(20:10):
felt like Tom Brady was It was like his ted talk.
You know. It was like one of those Instagram reels
on Tom Brady that has made him very popular, which
is like I would have showed up to work no
matter what, no matter what, Like, yeah, dude, all you
got to do is make a call. You're Tom Brady.
They're gonna pick up the phone. And they would have said, like, hey, look,
he wanted to go there, but they don't want him around,
okay because he can't participate if he gets hurt, costs
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us more money. Like he actually did a solid by
the team by removing himself from the situation. All right,
more on that to come. Let's welcome in. Mark Dominic,
of course, was the former gentle manager of the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers. By the way, he joins us weekly on
the Doug Gotlib Show. You should check out those hits.
Just download the Doug Gotlib Show podcast. Mark, am I
am I wrong?
Speaker 7 (20:53):
That?
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Like Tom Brady said, it's one of those like grand
standing get applause from people. Tom would show up to
work no matter what when the reality is that it's
better for everybody if you decide to move on from
Daniel Jones to not have him around the organization.
Speaker 8 (21:11):
Morning, guys, And yeah, I agree. I hope you guys
had a good Thanksgiving and hopefully enjoyed the games. But
I agree with you guys. I mean, it's pretty standard,
and Tom's never in this kind of position right not
where his contract is just overbearing and the reality is
the organization is moving on and walking away, and so
therefore he can't see it from that lens. But he
could have been better prepared for that comment. I'm sure
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he faced a little bit of backlash today, has deserved.
But no, this is a decision made around the table
with the agent, player club, et cetera, all deciding that
that's the best interest. And I don't disagree that he
shouldn't be there. I am sure that with the injuries
that it looks like he could have played, they would
have still gone through lock. And so it is what
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it is.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Is it simple enough, since we're talking about Daniel Jones,
that the Vikings make this move basically just for insurance
purposes for the rest of the season because it seems
like they have a future. What do you think was
going through the mind of Qusia Delpha Menza making that
signing for Minnesota.
Speaker 8 (22:12):
Yeah, I think I think they're just kind of looking
at all things. I think they're kind of looking at
from a perspective of not sure where their quarterback is
in terms of help, knowing that more than the likely
Sam Donald's going to find a different home in twenty
twenty five, and therefore we can already be protected with
the backup quarterback and get to see him and let
our coaches get to feel him, understand him, and see
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what ticks and let our coaches have a little play
with him. We've seen what they've done with Sam Donald
and be making Minnesota relevant in twenty twenty four, and
I think that they're trying to say, hey, let's kick
the tires on this one. So I think it's a
longer term move, depending on if Daniel Jones likes the
environments as much as maybe they like Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
I would also say, Mark, you tell me if I'm wrong. Okay,
there's something in basketball. You have basketball families, footballs, you
have football families. I think it's brilliant from Daniel Jones
and his agent in that they don't really have a
connection to the Shanahan Tree and knowing that system, the verbiage,
how everything works. And this gives Daniel Jones, you know,
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the next couple of months to learn the system, which
doesn't mean it works in Minnesota, but if you look
throughout the league, Kevin O'Connell has connections with everybody else.
It puts him in a completely different football family and
gives them an opportunity because that's what you do, right
Like when you have a new coach, you're bringing a
guy who knows the system, whether starter or backup. And
(23:35):
I think it's a brilliant move from that perspective. Could
that be what the agent's thinking, Oh.
Speaker 8 (23:40):
I think absolutely. I think you know, you're looking at
what's the best offense right now in the NFL, who's
having the most success. You're thinking in those situations, you're thinking,
who's you know, who's been able to resurrect careers or
create careers. You're thinking that situation. So it makes a
ton of sense. And again on the practice squad or
any think that you're not married to anything as you're
Daniel Jones, So right now you're as much getting dated
as you're trying to date. And so I think in
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that spot it really works well for him to see
if he enjoys the system, enjoys the coaching, and enjoy
the environment, or is this just a quick stop, you know,
learning more and then finding a different place in twenty
twenty five win free or when the end of the
season hits and you decide if you're going to sign
a practice by guys back or not.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Mark Dominic joining us here on the Dan Patrick Show.
We're obviously going to talk about Mattieberfluss and the Bears.
He said today he's met with Ryan Poles, is met
with Kevin Warren. We'll have a meeting later on. What
do you say, What are the questions you're asking your
head coach after that end of game debacle yesterday in Detroit.
Speaker 8 (24:38):
Well, I have a hard time. You know, they complete
that pass without the face in the hands of the
face and they're at the thirteen yard line and they
have had to win. Instead, they do get the penalty,
so it's a twenty two yard penalty in theory, and
then they turn around and get sacked. I feel like
someone and it shows you that the lack of I
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guess maturity on Caleb Williams to not understand that this
is a moment where you can't just wait for the call.
You either got to take the time out, throw a
ball to pick yourself in the deal goal position, or something
on the sideline should be taking the time out. To
me that, I'm Ryan Coles. I'm trying to understand why
didn't we burn the timeout? I know, you know we
would have to get the ball you know, spiked, or
we had to throw it to the sidelines. But how
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do we let the clock expire? And to me, that's
a big question. And as a GM, I don't ask
that question last night. I ask him this morning. It's
too emotional last night. It's going to be hard to
get the right answer. It's going to add a know
this morning you walk in with your head coach and
you said, let's go through the chain of events and
how that played out last night and talk to me
about what you have seen. I think Mattiebflus makes it
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through this weekend. I know he's very confident that he'll
make it through the weekend. I just don't know if
it's really because the Bears have been playing a little better,
and certainly the second half was shocking for them to
make it come back. This game should have been you know,
out the door in the first half. Obviously by the
way the Lions just kind of blundered in the red zone.
But I think you hold on to Mattewberflus for at
least the other week or two and you are going
(26:05):
through the process. You know, if Ryan Puls may not
know what's going on, he might be part of the
you know, the sweeping. So you know, to ask you
again and manager what's going on may not be the
best question, but I think you hold onto everything for
a week or two more. But behind the scenes, as as.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Kevin Warren, Yeah, Mark, Mark, how do you not fire
somebody again? And if it was just this game, okay,
but they're lining up to beat the Green Bay Packers
who have owned them for the better part of a decade.
And the guy sits on a forty six yard field
goal that gets blocked. Again, not his fault that the
(26:39):
trajectory was so low or that the blocking was bad.
That's like, not technically his fault, but this is not
the first And then you go to the commander's game again,
not necessarily his fault that he's got a cornerback who's
who's dancing and celebrating while the ball is already snapped,
but it is that that's his football team, Like, how
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do you continue? And again, Mark, you know, I'm a coach,
I'm actually sensitive to this thing. But how do you
not fire somebody today?
Speaker 8 (27:09):
I just think where you at in the season change
to take a change of where you sit as an organization,
is it really going to change the outcome? I mean
you gotta look at your own staff and say, who
would I want to be the head coach?
Speaker 3 (27:21):
And why and what do you want to maybe maybe
not maybe not the head coach? Like somebody's literally got
to get like, somebody has to get there has to
be some level of accountability, doesn't there Or you're just like, hey,
he's gonna get fired anyway, let's just like let him
play out the string. I don't know, Well, it's.
Speaker 8 (27:38):
Like this, you know, and as you said, and you know,
and and I don't think that he won't get fired.
I just don't think they'll do it right now, that
they might. But you talked about the three situations, and
one was on offense, one was on defense, one was
on special chief. Now that all points back to it's
the team not coming together, but they're also in a
position to beat the camp commanders, in position to possibly
beat the lines, in position to possibly beat the packers.
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So you got to look at from like we're right
on the cusp of maybe things are starting to turn.
Even though we're screwing up and lose these games. It's
not like we're getting paradeled or beat bad like we've
seen some other teams. And so I think that's the
only reason they're holding on. But I think change this
thing kick it's going to happen. I don't think that's
I think that's inevitable. I just don't know if you
just have to do it just to make a point
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to whom your fans there going to stay.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Can I get one more on this Bears thing, because
and I said this to Doug earlier, Mark, and I
said it yesterday when it happened. I don't understand how
in this day, in the age of the NFL, you
have a kicker that can't kick one fifty eight yards indoors.
Is that may mean we see guys now trying sixty
four yard field goals. The longest field goal in NFL
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history happened in that stadium yesterday, And to me, that's
a that's that's the Bears telling on themselves that they
don't even have a good enough kicker that they, by
the way, wanted to settle for a forty six yard
or two weeks ago. Like, it doesn't make a lot
of sense to me.
Speaker 8 (29:03):
No, and I don't disagree. I think we've seen certainly
a change in the evolution of pickers. It's easy to
make fifty orders, and it does say something that you
have no confidence that you can make the big kick
in the big moment, especially when time running out and
the odds of you you know, they're not going to
convert a first down. I hated the end of the game,
Like I was naugious. I was like, there's no way
they're going to lose this game. At least it go
(29:24):
into overtime and see if they somehow come and pull
off this miracle upset. But the Bears did a Bears thing,
And I know that that goes back to Doug. What
you're saying is somebody's got heads got a roll. I just,
you know, no one not knowing the McCaskey family, but
just knowing the overall run with Kevin Warren. I just
think that they're probably, like we fire him. Maybe we
don't want to win more games. Maybe weren't a position
(29:46):
where we're comfortable our draft pick is right now, even
though it's not ideal that we're not in a bad
spot based off of meeting that first runt pick going forward.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
No, that's listen, that's the only I told Jason Sue
at our producer like, that's the only viable explanation that
I would actually go like, okay, that makes it make
it look so such like such a mess, Like oh
my god, I can't believe we lost this game. And
then you go in the locker, I'm like, dude, we
lost that game. We keep our draft pick. That's the
only thing that could that could get you out of
jail free. It was it was I'm with you, I'm
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watching with my coaches, and we're we just finished Thanksgiving dinner,
and we were all like, oh, okay, what do we
have to prepare for that we have not because this
looks terrible. It just looked I cannot believe how that
game ended. Mark Dominic joining us here on the Dan
Patrick Show, UH with with Dan Byram. I'm Doug Gottlieb
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in for Dan and the Dan Nets. Do the Dolphins
have a cold weather problem or a TUA problem.
Speaker 8 (30:48):
I want to lean towards more of a cold weather
you know. Obviously it's a very tough game for them
as well, where you know, they had a chance to
kind of close the game out in Lambeau, but they couldn't.
I got to give credit and Jeff Athlete, the defensive coordinator.
They did a good job of making it difficult onto
it and you know, being able to stuff them in
the red zone and then turn around and gets pressures
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and sacks. I think that Jeff Appley has done a
really good job with that defense for the most part.
And the uh, you know, I think it's more again,
it's it's not I think two is in a good spot.
I think he's going to be okay as long as
he stays healthy. I don't think some Dolphins are still
to go. We got to get a different quarterback. I
think it was more just I think you got to
get credit to the defensive side and Jeff Happens the coordinator.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
It was it was. It was a dominating performance no
interceptions from from Jordan Love, which is a first this year,
and the Packers look like they're playing their best best football.
I hope you had a great Thanksgiving. Mark. We love
talking football with you. Enjoy your Black Friday sports and
we'll talk to you next week.
Speaker 8 (31:47):
Yeah, I'm very curious to see what Aidan O'Connell does
today for the Raiders. Then the whole season will be
waiting to see if he's any good. It doesn't really
matter so much, but it does to the Raiders brass
to see if he can do anything against his Chiefs today.
So it'll be fun to watch.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
It will be fun to watch he's Mark Dominickie joins
this weekly on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 6 (32:03):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Just for people who don't listen to the Doug Gottlieb Show,
which airs daily three to five Eastern twelfth two Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app. Dan Byer is actually
a native of Wisconsin. And for people who haven't followed
my journey, I am was born in Wisconsin and now
I'm the head coach at Wisconsin Green Bay and this
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is my I guess this is the fourth Packer game
I've gotten to go to this season, which is pretty cool. Right,
went to the I think warmest Packer game ever was
was the home opener against the Innapolis Colts. The Texans
game was incredibly exciting. I was sitting kind of in
the lower bowl, just up off the end zone where
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people do the Lambeau Leap. And then I was there
for the first half of the Cardinals game, which was
a relative blowout, not really competitive. And last night after
Thanksgiving dinner, got a chance to got my first night
time and cold weather, and there was some flurries, so
it felt a little bit like a snow glow game.
It's pretty enjoyable BYR. You've obviously been to Packer games.
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Have you been to a game where it's snowing?
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Gosh, Doug, I've been to one of the coldest games
on record when they played the Raiders in the early nineties,
the day the Lambell leap was there. I was there
for the NFC championship game and they beat the Panthers
in the mid nineties.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Yeah, was there the home that was gosh, that was
giving Kerry Collins. Yeah, oh yeah, even before that, so
it was yeah. So I've been there. I've been to
a few few good ones, and it's it's definitely definitely
different from from December and January compared to say that
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nice late summer hot day in September or in Earth.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Just it's so interesting, you know. And what I found
to be fascinating is when you when you kind of
zoom out and you look at the whole stadium. Right,
obviously they have a there's a ton of people in
pack you throw your Packers jersey over your coveralls or
over whatever you're wearing. But there's also in just about
every section there were two or three that were straight
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up in bright orange hunting gear right just straight up
right now, yes it is, you know, straight up just
shot a buck and now I'm gonna watch the Packers
play then, and I would say there's about three times
that many in every section wearing full camo. And but
then you cover the camo with a packer's jersey or
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you know, some sort of packers, packers, packers jack what whatever.
And it was cold now full disclosure of my seats
were the club seats, so you could sit out outside
and I sat outside most of the game and then
go inside and get a hot choker or get a
beer and watch the game. And so it's like the
Lower Bowl when you're in the lower bowl like that's it.
(35:10):
You're hardcore, You're squeezed in next to everybody else. Everyone's
into the game. But it is cold. It's not as
bad when you're up in the club section, cause you know,
when you want to tap out, you can just go
tap out and warm up for about ten or so seconds.
I was. I did sweats and then ski pants and
then a big parka, and I had the handwarmers in
(35:33):
my pocket just in case, and I was fine. It
was not It wasn't bad at all, unless you were
a Miami Dolphin. Unless you were a Miami Dolphin. Here's
Mike McDaniel, head coach of the Miami Dolphins, talking about
the narrative that this team can't play in cold weather.
Speaker 9 (35:50):
That's the thing with narratives, there's one way to change them.
And so that, Yeah, my expectation would be, you know
those who I mean, the naysayers, well, you know, you
prove him right, they'll be louder. So that's part of
the territory. You have to you carry that until you
until you do something about it. And unfortunately we didn't tonight.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Yeah, I mean, like you know, when when was it
Malik Washington who fumbled the the the opening punt. Many
you can't it just looked it. You don't know that
that's why they're playing the way they're playing, but they
looked they looked incredibly uncomfortable, incredibly uncomfortable. I'll tell you
(36:34):
my biggest takeaway in watching the game is Tua is
a statue like he can't avoid the rush at all.
You know, it's like like Brady couldn't move, and you
know it was you had to move him off his spot.
But Brady did have at least the ability, maybe until
(36:54):
super late in his career, where he could just move
just so to the side and just avoid like Tuek
has to get rid of it quick otherwise he can't move,
just can't move. And I told you in our pre
show meeting, you know what was it, Guy's about two
years ago where it was that showdown. You know, Manuel
(37:15):
Acho had talked about Tua being better than Justin Herbert
and I went to the game at SOFI and what
was fascinating to me about that game was if you
went to the game and you thought the two quarterbacks
were anywhere near the same stratosphere, you needed to have
an eye examination. When you're done It's not just because
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Herbert's like four inches taller. The velocity of his throws
is like two x that of Tua. To build a
layer throws, to build a move in the pocket, like
everything is completely better. One guy looked like a college quarterback.
The other guy looked like a pro quarterback. I thought
the same last night. And I know Tua's numbers were decent,
(38:00):
but the difference, and it was probably Jordan Love's best
overall performance because he didn't throw a pick and wasn't
this They didn't throw a pick. He didn't throw even
one that was close to being intercepted, whereas in I
think he'd thrown a pick in every game previous this
year and there was usually two or three that were
kind of up for grabs. Like Jordan Love played really well,
(38:21):
but more than anything, just just looked he moved better.
He's a little bigger, arms, much stronger. I just my takeaway,
Dan was god to it cannot I mean, one of
the reasons he gets hit so much is he can't move.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
It's this is and I think he said something interesting
about to his numbers because they do look good, and honestly,
when you consider what the Dolphins had to put out
when he was out with his concussion and the problems
that they had at the position and too obviously is
an upgrade, but is he just a compiler? This is
(38:58):
it's almost it feels like as well that the Dolphins
are at a crossroads, not with Tua because they paid
him like he's going to be their guy, but is
this what life is like when you figure out that
Tyreek Hill isn't going to be Tyreek Hill anymore? And
there's something going on with how defenses are stopping Tyreek Hill.
But also if you're the Dolphins when you gave two
(39:19):
of that deal, you couldn't think that Tyreek Hill was
going to be the same wide receiver for as many
years as Tua was getting his contract. Just Tua was
going to have to take control and be that guy.
And I think to your point of what you're saying
is not only is he probably not going to be
that guy, the concerns that we all have or that
(39:40):
something bad could happen to him again, likely could happen
to him again because he just can't move. It's scary,
but that's gonna be the world the Dolphins live in.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Profet, what are your thoughts just.
Speaker 6 (39:54):
A real quick stat I just saw here. The Dolphins
are three and thirteen straight up as a road underdog
since twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Yeah, this is Doug. You've said it a ton on
your show a couple of years ago, and they made
that push and not to do is Jason Stewart loves
schedule radio. But they beat nobody's And I'm someone who
would give credit to people and say, well, at least
you're winning the games that you're supposed to. But this
kind of seems to be who the Dolphins are. The
(40:25):
three game winning streak came against the Rams, Raiders and Patriots.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Yeah. Yeah, there was a lot to that game last night.
I mean one it just it was interesting that the
Packers look, that was the first time, you know, start
to finish outside of maybe the first drive. It really
(40:49):
felt like the Packers were really really sharp, really sharp.
They looked like they had gotten to a different level.
And you know, obviously we know the Dolphins defense is
not their strength. But we're sitting around there talking and
I was one of my players was with me. He's
from Israel, and so I was explaining the dynamic of
the Dolphins and that they struggle in cold weather. And
(41:13):
you know, you go back to what was it last year,
the year before when they got off to the hot start,
and but all those games were at home and teams
like the Bills wore down late, right, And anybody's been
to Dolphins Stadium in the early in the early part
of the season, os that visitors sideline you're like ants
underneath the uh what's it called magnifying glass. You know,
(41:39):
you're just you're melting away, and so they benefit from
the heat, but uh, they just one look uncomfortable. Two.
I thought the Packers did a great job of taking
away Tyreek Hill, like his touchdown reception was on a
deflection late in the game. And I would also say,
like in Tyreek Hills defense, like mcdanie's gotta do a
(42:02):
better job getting inim the football. The one thing they
did in Kansas City was, you know, they'd run those
end a rounds, those little pop passes. They'd find ways
to get him the ball. He's literally the most dynamic
player maybe in the sport. You know, you have to
put two and three guys there on him, and he's
and he was kind of a non factor. So yeah,
(42:23):
I not a big buyer into the into the Dolphins.
And also obviously the further further down you go down
the line, even if you make the playoffs, you're playing
on the road and that's just not a team that's
built for it. And again, in the AFC, unlike the NFC,
where at least Detroit you're playing in a dome, like
you're playing in Buffalo, you're playing in Kansas City pretty
(42:46):
much guaranteed on the road, and may or or you're
playing in Baltimore or Pittsburgh. So uh yeah, that's that
is that's let's see, what's the expression, don't buy green bananas. Yeah,
don't buy green bananas.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
I I again, and I just go back to the
to the point of I think we're starting to see
what the new Dolphins are going to look like. And
it wasn't just the cold last night that that's a
great narrative, but let's be real. The Packers are also
just a better team. Yes, yeah, so so it's a
it's a tough game to go to win. But if
you're the Dolphins right now and you're seeing the John
(43:21):
Us Smith Show, because defenses are taking away Tyreek Hill,
which they have for decent amount of the season. When
two has been available that Yeah, this is you've got
to figure out a different way, and setting up screens
for Devon e Chan is not going to get it done.
And they the numbers that two have put up last
(43:41):
night looked great. Yes, but if you end up late
to yes, absolutely you're playing catch up. You're down, you're
seven to three.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
Three, the game was over, down twenty seven to three,
and you know they made it got sort of cute
there late. You know they scored scored touchdown to make it.
But even then the Packers can down. They're up nineteen,
and you know they score on the deflected pass and
go for two and don't get it. But I'm with you,
you know again. And the other part to it is
(44:09):
what we all have come to the realization and the
calculation is if you're going to give that quarterback all
that money, something's got to give that what's gonna happen
with the Packers right now that the Packers run the
benefit of they just don't have a lot of highly
paid guys because they're all so young on that offensive
side of the ball. But eventually, you know you're gonna
(44:31):
time it out. Something's got to give, and your quarterback
has to be so good that he can overcome that. Right.
That's what's happened with Josh Allen, That's what's happened obviously
with Pat Mahomes. We'll see if Lamar Jackson right, because
now he's making that huge money. So the defense is
not as good as it used to be. They put
it feels like most of their resources in the offensive
side of the football. Your quarterback has to be that
(44:52):
good to overcome the fact that his massive contract is
going to cause some sort of shortfall. And I don't
believe too. Is that good?
Speaker 4 (45:00):
Hm?
Speaker 3 (45:01):
I just I just don't. I just do not. He's
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