January 9, 2025 • 52 mins
Dan previews the College Football Final Four. Brady Quinn breaks down Notre Dame's matchup with Penn State in the Orange Bowl and explains why Riley Leonard shows signs of being an NFL quarterback. Ravens safety Kyle Hamilton explains the difference between playoff football and regular season action and shares how Baltimore plans to handle the possibility of seeing two quarterbacks against the Steelers this weekend. Mike Breen recalls yesterday's possible NBA Finals preview with the Cavs vs. the Thunder, and why he believes Victor Wembanyama has nearly zero weaknesses in his game. And college football analyst Greg McElroy is on the call for tonight's Notre Dame/Penn State game and shares whether or not he thinks there is an SEC bias in college football rankings.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
He's Brady Quinn, Fox College Football Analyst, Big Noon Kickoff
and Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, the radio
show that precedes hours on Fox Sports Radio and Brady
Quinn joining us on the program. How nervous are you
for this game coming up tonight?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Well, first off, let me answer that question by saying this,
Fritzie sounds very much like Bill Belichick when he calls
in for these radio hits. So I just want you
to know it's a very similar demeanor for Fritzie and
Bill Belichick. You almost sound like the same person. But
in regards to tonight's game, there's some nerves there. I mean, look,
this is a really good Penn Stage football team, you know,
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Notre Dame's banged up. I think if you look at
the matchup of these two teams, you know it's gonna
come down to the effectiveness of running the football and
stopping to run. And I think if you look at
Penn State, they've got a couple backs and k troon
Allen Nick Singleton who's been phenomenal. Their tight end Tyler
One will be a part of that rushing attack. And
for Notre Name, you know Riley Leonard and Jeremiah Love.
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His health and status is obviously of some concern. He's
an incredible player to Darien Price can kind of take
over that load along with Williams as well the freshman.
But that's you know, and this is gonna be a
good game. The spread tight for a reason, and I
think it's gonna see potentially a really ugly game to watch, though, Dan,
when it's all said and done, meaning defensive football, you know,
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I think you're going to see a lot of back
and forth punting. Special teams will play a role. I'll
be shocked if they give Notre Names returners opportunity to
actually return the football given that. If there's one distinct
advantage for Notre Dame this game, it is their special
teams play, especially the way it's been throughout the course
of the year. Still will kicking hasn't necessarily been as
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good consistently, but Jeter was great obviously in the most
recent game.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
So Brady will be on the field tonight, Urban Meyer,
Matt Lioner, Vince Wilfork. That'll be a pre game. You know,
I was wondering about or how you thought being a
former Notre Dame athlete, James Franklin, was at the press
conference with Marcus Freeman and he says, Hey, no offense
to you, but you know, everybody should be in a conference.
So there's only one school that you're talking about when
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you say everybody should be in a conference. Here. Do
you see a scenario at any point in the next
five years where Notre Dame is in a conference.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
I don't, and I think there's only two ways that
hand would be forced.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
You know.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
The first would be if they weren't able to play
for a national championship in football, if they weren't a
part of a conference. So if that ended up being
the case, that would force under Dame to have to
make that decision. I think the next thing would be
the economics of it. You know, if Notre Dame didn't
have a television partner like NBC that is able to,
you know, single handedly help you know, promote their brand,
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their school and the university, that would be Probably the
other thing is if the economics become so big in
favor of joining a conference that you'd be playing at
a huge disadvantage because with the NBC contract, the parcelal
affiliation with the ACC that's just not the case as
of now, you know, and in fact, if you look
at their advancement through the College Football playoffs, while all
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these other teams are you know, making money, but they
have to share with the rest of the conference their
day in pockets, all of it. And that's a huge
advantage for them in particular, even you know, not having
to play a conference championship game, but and then having
to play a first round game, because they're going to
be making money off that, not only hosting one if
they are good enough to host a game like this season,
but also if you're looking at you know, the subsequent
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rounds and all the money they'll be keeping it in
their pockets.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
This whole thing about and I've railed on this for
a while about conference championship games. I know it's a
money grab, but every conference either has to have a
conference championship game or not. And I wonder if we
get to the point where can these conference championship games
be a first round bowl game? Can we add more
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importance to it as opposed to what they're trying to
diminish the outcome. Hey, Penn State to Oregon, no big deal.
You get to still, you know, be a top seed. Here,
I'm wondering the future of these conference title games.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Now to your point, it does feel like it's a
money grab, you know, in reality, and I think if
you look at the attendance too, in some cases, I mean,
it's a lot on the fans. It's hard to get
probably the environment that you want, knowing that we now
have an expanded playoff and there's going to be a
good indicial home game or they're going to be traveling
to you know, one of the New Year six games
at some point, the quarterfinals and the semi finals and
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then the national championship if you're so lucky to get there.
So there's a lot of economics that it's hitting the
pockets of fans and some of the teams that are
a part of it. But there's also the television portion
of it. And I do think you bring up a
good point. You know, how necessary are these conference championship
games because they felt exclusive to college football? You know,
as this model looks closer and closer to the NFL
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playoff system, you sit there and go, well, they have
a regular season where they just determine who wins the division.
They don't need to play off with the top two
teams at the end of the season to determine that
they've already got that figure out. You could do the
same thing with the conferences. The only tough part about
saying that is you only have four teams in a vision,
and these conferences now are so big that it's almost
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an apples to Orange. It's comparison and looking at, for example,
the schedule Ohio State played versus for example, the schedule
Indiana played within the same conference. So because of that,
you start to look at those things and go, all right,
you know, maybe it's the harder that we thought. Just
determined who the conference champion is and there's gonna be
a lot of area years where you have a tie.
I mean the Big Twelve one dude, this back when
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they didn't have their conference championship game. Then it was
the slogan was the one true champion. And then you
had Baylor and PCU tie the first year of the playoffs,
and then neither made it in the playoff because the
Big Twelve couldn't even decide who their conference chanion was.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
I'm talking Brady Quinn, Fox Sports college football analyst. He
is part of the Orange Bowl Hall of Fame Committee
joining us on the program. Yeah, handed prestigious.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Dan, It's very prestigious. I share it. Actually, you have
a big part, along with the rest of the committee
and getting our three selected Hall of Fame inductees in
there today. So if it just so happens that even
though it's an ESPN broadcast, uh, you know, they're gonna
have to maybe put a couple of Fox Sports Big
New Kickoff guys on TV at some point I may
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or may not have played a role.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Okay. So Urban and Matt Lioner and Vince will Fork
are going into the Orange Bowl Hall of Fame. Yes,
that's correct, Okay, And you're hoping that you get some
kind of acknowledgment on ESPN with the Fox Big Noon
kick on.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
I'm not saying I'm hoping anything. I'm just saying it
might be hard to cover a game than not cover,
you know, three historic figures in this you know tradition,
the history of the Orange Bowl could not include acknowledging
that at some point, like hey, Urban Meyer and Matt
Leaner and Vince Wolfwerk are here because they're being inducted
into the Hall of Fame. Like it just it seems
like if you're ESPN grant, they make some mistakes, but
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if you're ESPN, you probably want to include that at
some point the broadcast. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
I'm handicap Ohio State Texas.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
I would say the Lion's sitting right now at six
at this point, I think, you know, again, it comes
down to, like both these teams playing to their potential.
We've seen Ohio State do that the past two weeks
and everyone goes, my goodness, that's the best team in
the country and it's not even close. And the flip side,
we watched Texas and it feels like at times not
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that they get disinterested. You know, I'm not going to
play on that narrative, but it doesn't feel like they
ever play up to their potential. So I don't know
if they can find that, if Quinn yours and this
offense can can find more of that, consistently, find more
of that, like big play ability to break off, you know,
versus Ohio State like they did and have so far
in this playoff. I mean, it's like between Oregon and
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Tennessee and they put their foot on the gas. It's
like it's not even close. And I obviously have a
ton of respect for Dan Lanning the job he did
at Orgon this year. So that to me that Ohio
State team that it's more about can they continue the momentum?
Can they continue to keep playing at the level which
they have now the past two games? If they have
no one can touch them like this spread, in my opinion,
should be like nine and a half. Ohio State's going
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to be the team we saw the first two games
so far in the playoff.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
What if Quinn Ewers wins the national championship and then
has to leave Texas.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
It's a great hypothetical to throw out there, But if
he's leaving Texas after winning the National championship, he's going
to be going to the draft. Like everyone wants to
make this like some big conversation about you know, the
arch Manning and he's going to be the guy next year,
and then that's that's all, you know, true. But if
I'm Quinn yours and in that scenario plays itself out,
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I'm looking at this quarterback draft class and going hold
on a second, Like Chador looks to be the number
one guy based on the tape film and all that,
but like why can't Quinn be the next guy based
on these evaluations. You know, he's played really well through
his career in big games. He's got the arm strength,
he's got the abilities. He's been tough this year playing
through injury. I'm just I'm not sure in a year
where with the tape that Cars and Deck put out there,
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he's coming off injury. You know, cam Ord was special
and dynamic, but people are gonna have concerns about, you know,
offering an NFL offense. All those things that come up
that people try to you know, draw and take away
from what they see on tape. And so why not
if your quinn Ewers try to be a part of
this quarterback draft class playing on all that momentum that
you would be getting off a national championship.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Is Riley Leonard an NFL quarterback?
Speaker 3 (09:23):
I think so, you know, and look, I think there's
still parts of his game that are developing. He reminds
me a lot of Ryan Tannado. You know, when you
go back to Ryan, who played wide receiver at his
time of Texas A and M then transition to a quarterback. Now,
I think Ryan had you know, in his final time
at Texas and M displayed himself as much more of
a passer at that point. But if you look at Riley,
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I mean, he's getting to a team in his you know,
final year of play, and he's got to learn a
new offense. He's got to develop comistry at these guys,
and there's a lot of moving parts to all that.
And so I think there's gonna be people who are
going to be able to watch the tape and say,
an incredible athlete. He is a good leader. He it's
obviously tough. He has all these entangles we're looking for
off to the size, and he has the arm strength.
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It's just there's things they got to hone in on
in regards to how he sees the field, how he processes,
and in particular throwing down the field. You know, that's
one of the things that I think stands out to
me is they haven't been able to be a successful
over ten yards downfield consistently within the offense. And again
there's a lot of reasons to that, but I think
he's got the capability of playing at the next level.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
If Bill Belichick asked for advice, what would you tell him?
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Oh man, I would tell him, why the hell are
you asking me for I'd be like, you already got problems.
If you're like, let's just start with this, like like
where did you go wrong? Like I'd probably throw back
around him, But who's who gave you got advice or what?
Who told you to ask me something? I guess The
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first thing I would say is it's it's so hard
because we're assuming he's the head coach in North Carolina, right,
We're not assuming he's going to potentially leave for an
NFL job, which still baffles me that you know someone
assen't hired him in the past two years. If that's
the case, I would say the number one thing is
he has to go find a quarterback, like evaluate the
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roster and you can, you know, construct the roster through
nil and high school recruit and all that, but he
needs to find a veteran guy he can get to
the portal the best guy possible, and he needs to
go attack and get one of these scud guys coming
out from high school. And you need to have at
least a couple of guys there to provide you depth
of ability but also for stability. So that would be
the number one thing that I'd say. If you look
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at a college game, like I would actually say the
college quarterback is more paramount then even an NFL quarterback
to a degree, And people might take issue with that,
but I just think the way the game is played
nowadays and the way the advantage that the elite quarterback
at college gives you over even at the NFL. We
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got to go up against good defenses and offensive line
matters even more. There's all these other parts play a factor.
I mean, if you have an elite quarterback, like you
really can go far. And I think cam Ward's an
example of that. Like how many of those other players
in Miami this year you look at and saying, well,
those guys are draft the board. Those guys are going
to be, you know, top picks, and I think without
him this year, they're probably a five win team. And
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then it's traumatically different conversation when Cambore gets there. So
I would say he's got to go address that position
first and foremost with an older, experienced guy if you can,
if you have to do through the portal, and then
obviously a high school guy.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Have fun tonight and don't be like, you know, somebody's
on the field a ESPN are you going to be
like jumping behind them and jumping up and you're not
going to be way okay.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
No, I'll be hard to miss. I'll be wearing my
orange jacket down there, so so if you look down,
there's like, why why is he wearing orange? Like what?
Like not a lot of people know that I'm on
the Orange Bowl committee. So it's it's always funny to
see the response from people when you wear the orange jacket,
because they do stand out. It's tremendous marketing. But then
it always comes with who are you rooting for if
drawing orange? So like, well, I've got my end the
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stuff on underneath, but I'll be wearing an orange shacket
during the presentation.
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Speaker 2 (14:16):
That's Covino and Rich. We spoke with Kyle Hamilton yesterday
after practice and he is a two time Pro Bowl
safety for the Ravens and a Notre Dame grad as well,
played under Marcus Freeman is his defensive coordinator, and I
started out by asking Kyle Hamilton, which game does he
feel more confident about the Ravens against the Steelers or
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is fighting irish playing tonight against Penn State?
Speaker 7 (14:44):
You know, taking one step at a time.
Speaker 9 (14:47):
So Notre Dame is tomorrow, So I'm worried about that
Notre Dame game tomorrow. I got a few Penn State
people talking to a little trash. But you know, I said,
it's they had a good season. They it's kind of
a cool story that came this far. Get the program, sorry,
but we got bigger things to do.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Okay, do you have I think three teammates who went
to Penn State? Are there any side bets on this game?
Speaker 9 (15:10):
A ton of bragging rights, because that's all anybody does
is about their college. But you know, come Friday morning,
I'm gonna be really loud.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Marcus Freeman looks like he could still play Kyle.
Speaker 9 (15:22):
I think he's only about thirty five something like that?
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Is he but that up? But around there I think
he was pretty intend. Was he he was what defensive
coordinator when you were there?
Speaker 7 (15:33):
Yeah, he was not DC.
Speaker 9 (15:34):
He was It was cool to have a DC that
was closer in age to us than our head coach
and can kind of relate, been in it and can
relay the messages very well.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Does do you get to tackle Lamar Jackson or Derrick Henry?
Speaker 7 (15:52):
No? I mean I wish I could, more so than Derek.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
But you don't want to tackle Derrick Henry.
Speaker 9 (15:59):
Yeah, that's you know, when he has to do so
you know, you gotta do what you gotta do. But
I'm glad he's on the Ravens.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Okay, But that's where you make a business decision. If
he was playing on the Titans, have you made business
decisions when you're tackling somebody.
Speaker 9 (16:16):
I feel like you can't really do that because if
you try to do that, then you know you're just
gonna get embarrassed.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Well, you can't admit it, but in your mind it's like, God,
this is gonna hurt.
Speaker 7 (16:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (16:27):
Yeah, But most of the time you get up next
play and then you forget about it.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
But trying to corral Lamar, I mean, how tough is that?
And he's your teammate.
Speaker 9 (16:38):
Yeah, obviously I can't speak from experience other than fall Camp,
but even then, when he's going fifty percent Lamar, it's
still tough.
Speaker 7 (16:44):
To stop him.
Speaker 9 (16:45):
And you see it every single game day. It's just like,
I know, the defense has to be frustrated being out
there and you feel like you have the perfect play
out up and you do, and then you get to
him and he squirms out and runs for fifty yards.
It throws a sixty yard touchdown. It's just it's I
would be demoralizing.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Okay, if we ran a forty yard dash, who's winning
on the team out of everybody?
Speaker 7 (17:06):
Yeah, definitely not me.
Speaker 9 (17:10):
Uh as I showcased at the combine.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
What was your time at the combine?
Speaker 7 (17:16):
Four or five? Nine?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
All right? Yeah, yeah, but you're tall, you're rangy. You
make up for it.
Speaker 7 (17:24):
Yeah, that seems any care. They thought I was slow,
but you know.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Did they call you slow?
Speaker 7 (17:31):
Yeah? It it uh some of them did. But you
know it worked out and I'm I'm where I need
to be.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
At your Your speed challenged is what you are. You're
not slow, You're just speed challenge. And your forty was
faster than Jerry Rice's.
Speaker 9 (17:47):
Oh I can, all right, that's something the standing I can.
Somebody tries to make fun of me, but forty our
dash winner on the team probably probably Keaton uh No.
Speaker 7 (17:57):
Nate Wiggins, Nate Wiggins, Nate Wiggins and Keith Mitch would
be a good race.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Where's Lamar in this? If we did a forty or
one hundred yard.
Speaker 9 (18:07):
I don't think anybody's ever really seen Lamar run full speed.
When he does, he's super fast, so I probably put
it I say that Lamar runs around high four to three.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
He's Kyle Hamilton, the Ravens safety, two time pro bowler
and a former Notre Dame fighting irishman. The difference between
a playoff practice and a regular season practice is.
Speaker 7 (18:29):
What, honestly not much at least for us.
Speaker 9 (18:33):
You know, we try to take that mindset in every
single week so we don't get to the playoffs and
then change what we're doing. It's something that I think
the Ravens have done a great job of. Coach Harbor,
everybody in the facility and everybody on the staff is
just you know, we're kind of built for this at
this point. It's just business as usual. So going on
Saturday and do we need to do?
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Are you preparing for both quarterbacks? Yeah?
Speaker 9 (18:54):
Yeah, I think that's kind of something that you got
to prepare for because they deploy justin fields when you know,
keep driven run stuff.
Speaker 7 (19:01):
And obviously he's still a quarterback, can still.
Speaker 9 (19:03):
Throw the ball, so you know, you'd ever know how
the game is gonna go, and so you got to
prepared to be prepared for everything.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Best wide receiver you faced this season was who, hmm,
that's a good question.
Speaker 9 (19:20):
You know, CD's pretty good. I'm forgetting somebody. I will
always say it wasn't this season, but last season. Pookin
Nakua is probably one of the more underrated people in
the league.
Speaker 7 (19:31):
Just playing against him.
Speaker 9 (19:32):
He's physical, he's tough, makes great catches, runs good routes,
and you know, not a lot of people give him
credit for what he does. And that's one person that
really stuck out to me last year.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
But but Kyle, I watch him play and I'm like, Okay,
how did everybody miss on Pookin na Koua being a
great wide receiver, even a good wide receiver in the NFL?
Speaker 9 (19:50):
Yeah, I mean, I think he had somewhat of a
subpar combine or something coming out maybe measurables, But I
think people get stuck in the numbers a little too
much and forget that. You know, you gotta play football
at the other the day, and he's definitely a good
football player.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Jim Harball is quirky weird. Is John Harball quirky weird?
Speaker 9 (20:12):
Honestly, I don't think so. I think he was probably
the cooler brother growing up. Even though Jim was the
NFL quarterback. You know, John was still the older brother.
Speaker 7 (20:21):
And nah, I feel like I feel like he.
Speaker 9 (20:25):
Kind of has those older brother qualities and Jim has
those younger brother qualities.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Does John say goofy things though?
Speaker 9 (20:32):
Yeah, he does goofy, borderline corny. Yeah, he tries, and
we appreciate him trying to have a little satirical side
to him, but you know, sometimes he is.
Speaker 7 (20:44):
It's kind of a hit or miss with him.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Well, congrats so far, good luck against the Steelers, and
thanks for joining us.
Speaker 7 (20:51):
Thank you, Dad, appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
That's Kyle Hamilton, the Ravens Safety.
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Speaker 2 (21:06):
Mike Breen ESPN, ABC, NBA play by play commentator on
the call last night Cleveland against Oklahoma City? Did it
feel like a finals preview to you?
Speaker 4 (21:17):
It did? Was a long way to go and there's
a lot of teams that will have to say about that.
But the buzz in the place, it just it just
was different. I had to keep reminding myself, but it's
January eighth, so easy does it? But it had a
spectacular field. You could tell the players were so fired
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up and so into it. You know, they're all trying
to say it's a regular game, but it wasn't. They
knew it, The crowd knew it. It was. It was
really wonderful for a game on January eighth.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
When you do a show, when you if it's on
the Mothership or radio show, whatever you like, to play
the hits and the Cavaliers aren't playing the hits. But
they've gotten to that point, Mike, they're thirty two and four. Like,
you can't ignore the topic. This is one of the
great starts in the history of the NBA. Do you
get that sense of people are really struggling to grab
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a hold of this. Certainly Cleveland, Oklahoma City, we expect
them to be maybe there in the finals. Cleveland, they've
been a really good team, but they just haven't been,
you know, in the headlines because Lebron's gone.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
Couldn't agree more. It's like I even said in our open.
I repeated the record to Richard Jefferson, not because he
didn't he didn't know it. Obviously he knew it. But
it just sounds crazy to say that the Cleveland Cabs
are thirty two and four and they're they're that good.
They're really that good. And I think the fact that
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the betting line now still has the Boston Celtics the
clear favorite to come out of the East, despite the
fact that the Caves are doing this, and it's you know,
it's a credit to the whole organization from cold Altman
who made the roster, the patience to keep the roster
and not make, you know, sudden changes because they lost
in the first round two years ago and got beaten
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pretty badly in the second round last year, although it
was injuries. They just they play such fun basketball to
watch because they play team basketball.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I have a bet here with Marvin and I think
there'll be two Cavaliers named to the All Star team.
He says four.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Won't be four. I think three is a really good bet.
I think Mitchell Mobley and and Darius Garland. Although Jared
Allen the last couple of weeks he's played as well
as any of them, so it's it's gonna be interesting.
It'll be interesting to see. I think four is a lot,
because you know, you know, Boston has definitely two. New
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York has definitely two, although there was a couple of
normal guys that get on that aren't gonna make it,
so I wouldn't count it out. They certainly deserve it's
it's you know, like you said, it's it's one of
the greatest of any era, of any team, of any franchise.
It's one of the greatest starts the league has ever seen.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
If you were going to describe Shay Gilgis Alexander to
somebody who hadn't seen him play, how would you do it?
Speaker 4 (24:20):
A magical control of his body and no matter where
he goes, no matter what he does, an incredible poise
where nobody can speed him up and nobody can really
stop him. Killer instinct and even though you know he's
averaging so many points, he is such a team first guy.
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Everything about him he's he's it's hard to do it
in just a quick sentence. He's got this supreme confidence
but at the same time humility. He's just he's a
perfect guy to to kind of take over the throne
of of the for stars now with some of the
some of our greats aging. Everything about him is is
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just wonderful from a from a league standpoint, in terms
of being the guy that that you know, could lead
the next generation.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
I kind of see some Kawhi Leonard comps with him,
because Kawhi had an ability when he was healthy to
control the tempo of a game. Not necessarily a three
point shooter, but had that ability to if he wanted
to take you inside or that mid range jumper. And
you know, maybe similar size. I don't know if Shaye
is a little bit taller, but do you see that comp.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
Yeah, No, I like that because neither one of them,
you would say, are fast. They're both athletic, but that's
not what they They rely everything on. They're both super smart.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
You know.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
I think that's a big part of it. Shay smiles
a little bit more through Kawhi, but it's, you know
what the two The other thing you could say about
the two of them, and this is something he could
play in any era. He could have played in the
sixties his game because he kind of incorporates everything from
from the way players scored in the sixties seventies, you know,
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the nineties. He can take the physical style of the nineties.
You know, he's improved on his three point shooting of
today's current game. He's one of those guys that he's
just he's just a great basketball player that could play
in any era.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
We're talking to Mike Breeney, you know, ESPN, ABC, NBA
play by play commentator on the call last night, calves
in the thunder. How often do you get somebody coming
up to you and say, hey, Mike, can you give
me a bang?
Speaker 4 (26:37):
You really want to know? When I go into an arenas,
it's it's all the time, and I take it as
a as a compliment, and I'm flattered, like you wouldn't
believe that the people say that. But when they start,
the kids start shoving the phone in your face and
there yelling say bags. It's a Sometimes it gets a
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little much, but I'm again, I'm so flattered by it
that this one word has been so good to me.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Okay, but wait a minute, how do you do that
when somebody says, hey, Mike, will you say bang? Do
you just go bang?
Speaker 7 (27:15):
No?
Speaker 4 (27:16):
What? What? Sometimes I just go bang? And sometimes I'll
say that I if it's after a game. I'll say
I lost, I lost my boys. Wow.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Uh, what constitutes or warrants a double bang?
Speaker 4 (27:33):
There there's no formula. Yeah, it's it's strictly off the
flow of the game. What's going on? And wow, is
this this stumble of it? It really just comes out.
I wish I had a better answer. I'm sorry, you know,
I'm Next time we're on, I'm going to come up
with a better answer.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
I got to help you with your profile here. I mean,
let's let's embrace it. Do we do we have a copyright?
Do we got T shirt? And like, what are we doing? Mike?
Speaker 4 (28:00):
First off, you've always been helpful, so I appreciate any
additional help. I don't have copyright. I have a T shirt,
but that's just one. I never thought of selling it.
And you know, here's the interesting thing. And I don't
know if you and I have discussed this. I'm not
the first one to use it. And I didn't know
this until later. Johnny Most used to say bang when
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he did Celtics radio back in the day.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
You weren't aware of that.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
You just were not aware of it. And his son,
his son who was in the business, Jamie his son
alerted me to it, and I think right after I
found that out, I did bang in a Celtic game
and I said, that's dedicated to the great Johnny Most.
But you know, back in the day, we didn't if
you weren't in that town, you didn't know or listen
really to the radio voices of other teams. Now you
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can listen to the entire broadcast of other teams no
matter where you are. But I didn't know it at
the time.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I watched by Yama when Ben Yama the other night
again joker, and I said the following day, he's going
to win an MVP before he's twenty five. If you
don't now, I didn't have a great scoring night. But
he's got like a he can shoot the three. He
you know, he's a force. At the other end, I'm
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trying to figure out what is going to be his weakness,
Like Yiannis is not a great shooter. Uh, you know,
these guys have weaknesses. But Lemby looks pretty polished, Mike.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
He does everything really well. And I agree with you,
in a matter of a year or two, he's going
to be great at everything. I mean, there's certain things
he's great at now. But he doesn't really have a weakness.
You know, he's going to get stronger every year. He's
improved on his perimeter game every year. But his is
just his instincts, his feel for the game, and his
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desire to keep working every single day to get better.
When you talk to the Spurs people that they they're
pinching themselves because not only is this kid such an
unbelievable talent, but his makeup mentally and his desire to
be the best who's ever played is just is off
the charts. So I would not bet against you on that.
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Twenty five Now, he's going to win multiple MVPs, that's
for sure. I don't know by what age, but he's
going to win multiple.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
If I said to you, you have to pick one
of the two teams most likely to be in the
finals of the two teams last night.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Not going to do it. Not going to do it
to me, I'm sorry, Bang, there's so much you know
what the cool thing is, there's so much time left,
and because this year there's a possibility of a number
of players, like really good players, who are going to
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change teams by the trading deadline. That could absolutely swing
who's favorite so that's what I find fascinating. So there
might be a team that we're thinking they'll make the playoffs,
but they won't do much. All of a sudden, they
pick up one or two guys and they're now their
favorites to get to the finals. So it's it's really
hard to do that right.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Now, who retires first, Lebron, Steph or KDH.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
KD is going to keep playing for a long time.
Steph is still loving and Lebron is still loving too.
I think maybe Lebron because he's starting to drop hints.
But then again, he also just said that he knows
he could contribute until he's fifty, which he could. And
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that's the crazy thing, Like if he wanted to, he
could be fifty years old and probably average fifteen six
and four. I mean, he absolutely could do it.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Could ever see him ranked higher than Jordan?
Speaker 4 (32:03):
I don't here's another cop out. Don't be mad at me,
but I refuse to rank players from different eras. It's
just it's impossible. I mean, whether you want to talk
about Russell or Chamberlain or Alcindor or Kobe or Lebron
or Michael, I mean, it's hard to ever argue against
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Michael Jordan. But my favorite saying is comparison is a
thief of joy. And to start comparing one to the
other all of a sudden, to make your point, you're
starting to criticize the other. And how do you criticize
the other?
Speaker 2 (32:37):
All right, I think I've used you. I've I've talked
to you long enough. I can hear the voice. Maybe
it's starting to waiver a little bit here?
Speaker 4 (32:47):
What's starting a waiver?
Speaker 2 (32:49):
It just sounds like you're kind of losing your voice.
It's it's sound as like like, guys, I think we
can all agree. It sounds like Breen's voice is going
a little bit there, a little again little.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
You know, I'm not going to compare. I mean, you're
not Doc Rivers because Doc Rivers sounds like this.
Speaker 7 (33:07):
You got to give me forty eight, guys, you gotta
give me forty eight.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
That's frizzy.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
I tell I could tell it was him.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Yeah, you know Todd.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Do you have any idea how important Todd was to
my career? No? Well, when I worked on the Imis
in the Morning Show, my whole stick was getting getting
quality sound bites to play off of and have fun
and he was the morning news and sports producer, and
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he was the one that would find the bites that
he knew would work, and he knew I would like
to try and work. He was I couldn't have done
it without him.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
He was spectacular because I thought you were awesome with
that when you had fun with these sound bikes. And
now we're talking about Todd Fritz. Right, yes, okay, all right,
fair enough. I didn't know. I'm a journalist, Todd. I
got to ask these questions.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
So I started at w FN with Breen in the game.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
He was amazing. He was amazing him and another guy
who did it was Craig Shamides. Those two guys were invaluable.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Well that's that's great to know. And I know the
voice is going. So I don't know your next game,
so I'm gonna let you rest that, but thank you
for sharing your thoughts. Quite well, that's Mike Breen.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
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Speaker 2 (34:41):
He is Greg McElroy ESPN College Football Analyst. He'll be
on the call ABC ESPN tonight, it's Penn State, Notre Dame.
How about we start there, Dion in the NFL or
staying at Colorado?
Speaker 8 (34:58):
Well, are you suggesting which I would If I were
giving Don some type of advice, which way would I go?
I would probably stay at Colorado. You can write your
ticket there. Man, He's become musty television. The Alamo Bowl
game that he lost by twenty thirty points was the
highest rateed game outside of the College Football Playoff in
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the bowl season. He's appointment television for many And I
think now with the support that they're getting from an
nil standpoint, Dan, I think it's easier to win on
a consistent level in college. I think in the NFL
you can be the greatest thing in the world and
then fired the next year. Yeah, college, you got a
little bit more runway if you can have a positive
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impact on the kids.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
All Right, The point spread tonight is Notre Dame by
one and a half. Let's say the game comes down
to that kind of point spread. Paint the picture for
the audience of you being the analyst tonight of how
you think that would play out in the final second.
Speaker 8 (36:01):
Well, it would be phenomenal you'd know, Sean McDonough. Something
tells me we would have a voice crack, and we
would have a lot of energy, and we would have
one heck of a finish as long as a punter
doesn't drop it and allow Jalen watch Jackson to return
one to the house. That could elicit some stronger reaction.
That would be two or three voice cracks potentially. But Dan,
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I don't know about you. You've been a college football
fan for a long time and you've supported and helped
promote our sport, and we're very grateful to you for that.
But I think the College Football Playoff, while we haven't
had the most compelling matchups from a competitive standpoint, it's
been captivating television and I think if we could just
get one that would go the distance. You look at
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the game between Arizona State and Texas, a game that
went to overtime, multiple overtimes. That game had seventeen point
three million viewers at noon or one o'clock Eastern time
on New Year's Day, a window that had not performed
well in the past, gets an all time high because
of how compelling that game was, and it was between
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two programs, one Blue Blood and one that's kind of
an upstart and airs on the state. That would be magnificent.
But I think if Notre Dame and Penn State, two
of the most storied programs, two of the top programs
in the history of college football from a win standpoint,
to win the top seven, if it comes down to
the wire like that, it'd be pretty remarkable. And it's
probably gonna be a defensive slugfest. It's gonna feel like
a pitcher's duel. It's gonna feel like, you know, Verlander
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on the mound against Kershaw ten years ago, and whoever
can somehow find a C and I singles got a
chance to win the game.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
It's gonna be pretty remarkable. Best player on the field
tonight will be.
Speaker 8 (37:42):
When Notre Dame's on offense. The best player on the
field tonight could actually be two players on either side,
depending on their health. Abdul Carter, in all likelihood will
play for Penn State the defensive end. Pass rusher Kuiper's
got him as the number two overall player behind Travis Hunter.
Super dynamic player. I mean, but they move him around too.
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I mean, that's what's fun. I think he's not one
of those guys, that's just stationary end of the line
of scrimmage player. Like he can be over the center,
he can be over the guard, he can blitz off
the second level. Like he's a very versatile piece. He
can move around. He is at less than one hundred
percent because of a shoulder injury that he has suffered
against Boise State. Played just seventeen snaps in that game,
so we'll be monitoring his availability as a game time decision.
Then on the other side of Jeremiah Love, who has
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a right knee injury, the running back for Notre Dame,
he hasn't really been all that effective. He hurt his
knee against USC in the final week of the regular
season and has like thirteen touches in the two playoff
games since. The problem is that one of those thirteen
touches is a ninety eight yard touchdown run, So he's
still got great top end speed. But those are the
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two players that I think are probably the most captivating
television for tonight's game.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Handicapped tomorrow night's game, Ohio State Texas. Everybody's on Ohio State,
aren't they. Yeah, you know, it's I feel like you're
getting Texas on sale. From a handicapping perspective, Texas on
the heels of a two overtime win as a double
digit favorite, two touchdown favorite against Arizona State, Texas Scott
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flaws when yours is flawed. Are you going to buy it?
It sounds like you would buy Texas a home game,
it feels well.
Speaker 8 (39:23):
Is Ohio State ever on the road? I guess the
other question that I've starting to realize when it comes
to neutral sites, man, Ohio State is going to be there,
and they're going to be allowed, and they're going to
make their presence felt. I do think, though, that Texas
is a really They're a team that can absolutely match up. Again,
I think they match up really well. I'm not saying
they'll win the game. I actually think Ohio State will
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win the game. But if you're gonna tell me I
can get nearly seven, if I get six, six and
a half, five and a half, I kind of lean Longhorns.
I look at where they're built in their strength. They're
very similar to Michigan with what they have along the
defensive front. And while I think Oregon is a good
football team, I don't think Oregon is as equipped. I
know they beat Ohio State earlier in the season. I
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also acknowledged though that that version of Ohio State very
different than the Ohio State that they saw just this
last weekend that the Rose Bowl. Ohio State at that
time in that game lost their left tackle Will Howard
was not yet as comfortable as he is right now.
Their receiver Jeremiah Smith in that game was a good player,
but not a take over the game as the best
player in college football type of player at that point.
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So Ohio State's very different. So they beat Oregon badly
because Oregon took the same plan that they used the
first time around, and they don't match up as well.
Texas will kind of keep things in front and their
defensive line can win the game. That's Texas's strength, and
that's where Ohio State lost the game against Michigan. So
I do think that Texas matches up better than anyone
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else up to this point in the postseason against Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Greg McElroy, ESPN college football analyst. He'll be on the call.
It's on ABC and ESPN. Sean McDonough will be there,
Molly McGrath, Katie George and that starts at seven thirty Eastern.
Also part of Omaha Production's Always College Football podcast, co
host of Mac and Cube in the Morning on WJOX
in Birmingham. How often do coaches get out coached?
Speaker 7 (41:18):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (41:19):
A lot?
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Because I'll go back to what what Notre Dame did
against Kirby Smart, what Marcus Freeman did when they swapped
out and then they were gonna punt they were not
then you get you know, offsite. I mean, that's that's
one moment. But to me, that helped change the game.
So I don't know, like you played for Nick Saban,
but the number of times, like Bill Belichick, how many
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times will he out coach somebody in the college in
college games?
Speaker 8 (41:50):
You know what's funny is it? And I know that
this is like the most obvious coach speak thing ever,
so apologize in advance. But more games are lost than one,
you know what I'm saying. Like, we'll go back to
the game and the Sugar Bowl with Notre Dame against Georgia.
Two moments stand out in the game. Okay, one was
at the end of the half. They have a backup
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quarterback in the game. Notre Dame is thinking, hey, they're
going to run the ball, take it to half. The
game's going to be six ' three. Notre Dame's got
a slight lead, but for the most part, you know,
it's a low scoring game and it's lacked a lot
of offense. Well, they put their run defense personnel in
the game. Rj Oben is a guy that had that moment,
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had zero sacks on the season. Well, what does he do.
He goes right around the left tackle, stripsack, fumble recovery
Notre Dame on the next offensive snap, touchdown. Now it's
a game that is feels like it's blown open at
thirteen to three. That was one moment in the game,
and that was Kirby being probably a little bit too
aggressive there at the end of half Hindsight's twenty twenty, Like,
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do you really expect your left tackle to get killed
by a run stopping defensive end. Probably not all right,
So that was one moment. The other moment was, like
you referenced late in the game, Marcus Freeman ops to
run his punt team on on fourth and one, and
then all of a sudden, run his punt team off
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put his offense on, which allows Kirby's team and defense
to substitute. But they're thinking about getting lined up. The
last thing they're thinking about in that scenario is the
snap count. It was chaotic on the sideline, it was
chaotic near the line of scrimmage. Their best player, a
guy in Jalen Walker who's going to be a three
or four time All Pro in his career, lean's just
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ever so slightly the neutral zone, free play first down.
Next thing, you know, nine plays later, in six minutes
off the clock, they've stolen a possession. So I think
great coaches know how to just tweak and create that
slight edge to steal a possession, whether it's a timely
on sidekick, a fake punt, a surprise on sidekick, the
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you know thing, going for it on fourth down, maybe
backed up and getting it somehow, great coaches know at
that perfect time when to pull that card and play it.
Marcus did it once and Kirby made a mistake at
the end of half, and that's why the game ended
up the way it ended up.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
How often have you had to or did you have
to consciously say to Greg McElroy, former Alabama quarterback, don't
be sec friend friendly because you're gonna get criticized no
matter what, because we're going to read into what you
say and how you say it. But I'm asking you
understanding that have you had to remind yourself be as
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fair as possible, even though subconsciously it might still be
in your DNA.
Speaker 8 (44:48):
I don't even know, And I think it's a great question.
I think it's all from a matter of perspective. Like
if you want to know who I am biased towards,
it's great teams, you know what I mean, Like like
I kind of just follow.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
I like to watch the.
Speaker 8 (45:04):
Teams that executed a really high level, like I really
really and I've all and whether it was Michigan last
year or whether it was TCU two years ago or
whatever the teams it may be. I've always loved Utah
like I just love how they you know, never maybe
as far as getting off the bus, maybe not the
best team, but even dating back to when urban Meyer
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was there in the early two thousands, it's long been
a team I've just had a tremendous amount of admiration for.
So I've kind of found myself navigating towards the teams
that play really high level football. As far as the
SEC stuff, I do have more familiarity with the league.
Let's be real, I called five Georgia games. This year,
I called four Kentucky games. You know, I called four
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Ole Miss games. I called a couple of the Tennessee
games a couple of Bama games. Like you just have
maybe a deeper understanding of the depths of the roster.
But there there's never really a point. If you do
your work professionally, I could care less what patch they
have on their jersey. I simply see numbers, names, coaches, records, statistics,
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and tendencies. What conference they align with is not one
that I usually pay a lot of attention to. And
I know people ask me all the time, how do
you call Bama games and not get not allow your
fandom to come out? Pretty easily because when I was
in school, I was probably harder on Alabama as a player,
and I could ever be in this line of work.
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So I think if you look at it through a
not a critiquing lens, but a lens in which you're
trying to offer constructive criticism and point out observations, then
the conference affiliation should have no impact on how you
call the game.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
But college football is about brands. You know, everybody was
screaming for Alabama to be in the playoffs, and I go, no,
they don't deserve to be in the playoffs.
Speaker 8 (46:56):
I think it's about brands to an extent. I do
think there's there is this perception that you know this,
you know, the big brands are going to get preferential treatment.
I don't know if that, but.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
They do bring eyeballs. They do bring like Notre Dame
brings eyeballs. Absolutely, people are going to watch absolutely, absolutely,
And I think because of Alabama, they're like, well, god,
do we want Boise State or Arizona State in there?
We want Alabama in there. And we saw Alabama against
Michigan in the bowl game. You know, they just weren't
a great team a good team this year. And I
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think that's a problem for college football. We get top
heavy with Georgia, Ohio State, Clemson used to be in there.
It's like the same six or seven schools every year
that we get programmed to think, oh, those are the
best teams in the country. Arizona State was awesome. I
mean that was so much fun. And Boise State did
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what Boise State was supposed to do. Indiana did what
they were supposed to do. Now do I think Indiana
was deserved to be in there, No from a talent perspective,
or who they played, but they played who's on their schedule.
So I until we come up with a better format
with this greg or scenarios that make it fairer, you know,
I don't want us to fall back on well, I
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don't know, just put Alabama in, put Clemson. Yeah, I
don't like that.
Speaker 8 (48:20):
I worry about when in doubt, what in doubt? Give
the teams with more stars, meaning like star ratings, their
recruiting ratings, like GEN and DOW, give them the benefit
of the doubt. I don't think that's the proper way
to go about it, because while would Alabama potentially have
been more competitive in a playoff setting, I have no idea,
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you know, And that's why I can't sit here and
pound the drum.
Speaker 7 (48:44):
Oh.
Speaker 8 (48:45):
Clearly we need to reevaluate, you know, how we're seating
teams or how we're putting teams in and who should
get in and who should Now, I think there are
things we can do to adjust our criteria by incentivizing
improved and strengthened non conference schedules. I would like to
see that because that benefits all of us if we
see stronger non conference games. That's going to only create
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more intrigue and maybe add a little more context to
the conference supremacy argument. I'd like to see it. We
see it in basketball. If you play a murderer's row
schedule in the non conference, than your likelihood of having
a high RPI come tournament times really high. And if
you're nineteen and fifteen from Syracuse, doesn't really matter because
you make the tournament. Next thing, you know, in a
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play in game, you're eleven seed, you're playing the final four.
So we've seen it in the past. I mean, it's definitely,
it's definitely possible. I'd like to see stronger non conference
because right now in beloaded conferences you can't. Not all
SEC schedules are created equal, not all Big ten schedules
are created equal. So I think non conference play is
where we need to focus. And if we can incentivize
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teams that go out of their conference and play top
tier competition, that should be rewarded, regardless of the outcome
in some cases how they get blown out. No, absolutely, not,
like that's a data point that needs to be considered.
But it also if it's close, and if it was
on the road and you tried to go play a
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top tier team and lost. That should be rewarded as
opposed to playing an FCS team and winning by thirty five.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
You know what I'm saying, man, I think it should
come down to Vegas should be relied on to rank
the teams, your top twelve teams. It should be Vegas.
Vegas has no opinion, no bias. They're they are looking
at what is the best matchups, and I think Vegas
would make more sense. I don't want these automatic berths.
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I don't want any of that. It should be here's
the twelve best teams.
Speaker 10 (50:40):
I saw you cringing yes to an extent, yes, because
if we did that, then USC from a power rating
standpoint at the season's end at seven and five, is
in the mix.
Speaker 8 (50:52):
If we went strictly off Vegas. Now, Vegas plays a
little bit on psychology too, I mean, why do you
think now power ratings are a factor, But there's also
you know which team is playing better at the moment,
Which team is going to garner more public interest? Which
team is If I set the line maybe a shade
the line, maybe a point point and a half higher,
is that going to generate more buzz and to create
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balance on either side of the line. I just think
Vegas Vegas has different incentives. While I understand and appreciate
the thought process of that, then at that point, why
do we play the game. Let's just have a sixty
four team tournament and let's just let's just see how
things go. That'll be a freak and let's go. I like,
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I like, I don't think it's broken. The one thing
I would adjust is I think that Big ten and
SEC conference champions should be rewarded with a home playoff game.
And however we figure out the bull system after the fact,
I think we'll probably get rid of buyas because it's proven,
at least in this tournament that the buy does not
benefit you. And how can we get the conference champions
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to get home games? That needs to be examined as well.
Speaker 2 (51:59):
Right, have fun to night, Okay, I appreciate it all right,
And be nice to both sides, okay always Okay. Greg
McElroy
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
He's Brady Quinn, Fox College Football Analyst, Big Noon Kickoff
and Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, the radio
show that precedes hours on Fox Sports Radio and Brady
Quinn joining us on the program. How nervous are you
for this game coming up tonight?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Well, first off, let me answer that question by saying this,
Fritzie sounds very much like Bill Belichick when he calls
in for these radio hits. So I just want you
to know it's a very similar demeanor for Fritzie and
Bill Belichick. You almost sound like the same person. But
in regards to tonight's game, there's some nerves there. I mean, look,
this is a really good Penn Stage football team, you know,
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Notre Dame's banged up. I think if you look at
the matchup of these two teams, you know it's gonna
come down to the effectiveness of running the football and
stopping to run. And I think if you look at
Penn State, they've got a couple backs and k troon
Allen Nick Singleton who's been phenomenal. Their tight end Tyler
One will be a part of that rushing attack. And
for Notre Name, you know Riley Leonard and Jeremiah Love.
(01:02):
His health and status is obviously of some concern. He's
an incredible player to Darien Price can kind of take
over that load along with Williams as well the freshman.
But that's you know, and this is gonna be a
good game. The spread tight for a reason, and I
think it's gonna see potentially a really ugly game to watch, though, Dan,
when it's all said and done, meaning defensive football, you know,
(01:25):
I think you're going to see a lot of back
and forth punting. Special teams will play a role. I'll
be shocked if they give Notre Names returners opportunity to
actually return the football given that. If there's one distinct
advantage for Notre Dame this game, it is their special
teams play, especially the way it's been throughout the course
of the year. Still will kicking hasn't necessarily been as
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good consistently, but Jeter was great obviously in the most
recent game.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
So Brady will be on the field tonight, Urban Meyer,
Matt Lioner, Vince Wilfork. That'll be a pre game. You know,
I was wondering about or how you thought being a
former Notre Dame athlete, James Franklin, was at the press
conference with Marcus Freeman and he says, Hey, no offense
to you, but you know, everybody should be in a conference.
So there's only one school that you're talking about when
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you say everybody should be in a conference. Here. Do
you see a scenario at any point in the next
five years where Notre Dame is in a conference.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
I don't, and I think there's only two ways that
hand would be forced.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
You know.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
The first would be if they weren't able to play
for a national championship in football, if they weren't a
part of a conference. So if that ended up being
the case, that would force under Dame to have to
make that decision. I think the next thing would be
the economics of it. You know, if Notre Dame didn't
have a television partner like NBC that is able to,
you know, single handedly help you know, promote their brand,
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their school and the university, that would be Probably the
other thing is if the economics become so big in
favor of joining a conference that you'd be playing at
a huge disadvantage because with the NBC contract, the parcelal
affiliation with the ACC that's just not the case as
of now, you know, and in fact, if you look
at their advancement through the College Football playoffs, while all
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these other teams are you know, making money, but they
have to share with the rest of the conference their
day in pockets, all of it. And that's a huge
advantage for them in particular, even you know, not having
to play a conference championship game, but and then having
to play a first round game, because they're going to
be making money off that, not only hosting one if
they are good enough to host a game like this season,
but also if you're looking at you know, the subsequent
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rounds and all the money they'll be keeping it in
their pockets.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
This whole thing about and I've railed on this for
a while about conference championship games. I know it's a
money grab, but every conference either has to have a
conference championship game or not. And I wonder if we
get to the point where can these conference championship games
be a first round bowl game? Can we add more
(03:54):
importance to it as opposed to what they're trying to
diminish the outcome. Hey, Penn State to Oregon, no big deal.
You get to still, you know, be a top seed. Here,
I'm wondering the future of these conference title games.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Now to your point, it does feel like it's a
money grab, you know, in reality, and I think if
you look at the attendance too, in some cases, I mean,
it's a lot on the fans. It's hard to get
probably the environment that you want, knowing that we now
have an expanded playoff and there's going to be a
good indicial home game or they're going to be traveling
to you know, one of the New Year six games
at some point, the quarterfinals and the semi finals and
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then the national championship if you're so lucky to get there.
So there's a lot of economics that it's hitting the
pockets of fans and some of the teams that are
a part of it. But there's also the television portion
of it. And I do think you bring up a
good point. You know, how necessary are these conference championship
games because they felt exclusive to college football? You know,
as this model looks closer and closer to the NFL
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playoff system, you sit there and go, well, they have
a regular season where they just determine who wins the division.
They don't need to play off with the top two
teams at the end of the season to determine that
they've already got that figure out. You could do the
same thing with the conferences. The only tough part about
saying that is you only have four teams in a vision,
and these conferences now are so big that it's almost
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an apples to Orange. It's comparison and looking at, for example,
the schedule Ohio State played versus for example, the schedule
Indiana played within the same conference. So because of that,
you start to look at those things and go, all right,
you know, maybe it's the harder that we thought. Just
determined who the conference champion is and there's gonna be
a lot of area years where you have a tie.
I mean the Big Twelve one dude, this back when
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they didn't have their conference championship game. Then it was
the slogan was the one true champion. And then you
had Baylor and PCU tie the first year of the playoffs,
and then neither made it in the playoff because the
Big Twelve couldn't even decide who their conference chanion was.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
I'm talking Brady Quinn, Fox Sports college football analyst. He
is part of the Orange Bowl Hall of Fame Committee
joining us on the program. Yeah, handed prestigious.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Dan, It's very prestigious. I share it. Actually, you have
a big part, along with the rest of the committee
and getting our three selected Hall of Fame inductees in
there today. So if it just so happens that even
though it's an ESPN broadcast, uh, you know, they're gonna
have to maybe put a couple of Fox Sports Big
New Kickoff guys on TV at some point I may
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or may not have played a role.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Okay. So Urban and Matt Lioner and Vince will Fork
are going into the Orange Bowl Hall of Fame. Yes,
that's correct, Okay, And you're hoping that you get some
kind of acknowledgment on ESPN with the Fox Big Noon
kick on.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
I'm not saying I'm hoping anything. I'm just saying it
might be hard to cover a game than not cover,
you know, three historic figures in this you know tradition,
the history of the Orange Bowl could not include acknowledging
that at some point, like hey, Urban Meyer and Matt
Leaner and Vince Wolfwerk are here because they're being inducted
into the Hall of Fame. Like it just it seems
like if you're ESPN grant, they make some mistakes, but
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if you're ESPN, you probably want to include that at
some point the broadcast. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
I'm handicap Ohio State Texas.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
I would say the Lion's sitting right now at six
at this point, I think, you know, again, it comes
down to, like both these teams playing to their potential.
We've seen Ohio State do that the past two weeks
and everyone goes, my goodness, that's the best team in
the country and it's not even close. And the flip side,
we watched Texas and it feels like at times not
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that they get disinterested. You know, I'm not going to
play on that narrative, but it doesn't feel like they
ever play up to their potential. So I don't know
if they can find that, if Quinn yours and this
offense can can find more of that, consistently, find more
of that, like big play ability to break off, you know,
versus Ohio State like they did and have so far
in this playoff. I mean, it's like between Oregon and
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Tennessee and they put their foot on the gas. It's
like it's not even close. And I obviously have a
ton of respect for Dan Lanning the job he did
at Orgon this year. So that to me that Ohio
State team that it's more about can they continue the momentum?
Can they continue to keep playing at the level which
they have now the past two games? If they have
no one can touch them like this spread, in my opinion,
should be like nine and a half. Ohio State's going
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to be the team we saw the first two games
so far in the playoff.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
What if Quinn Ewers wins the national championship and then
has to leave Texas.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
It's a great hypothetical to throw out there, But if
he's leaving Texas after winning the National championship, he's going
to be going to the draft. Like everyone wants to
make this like some big conversation about you know, the
arch Manning and he's going to be the guy next year,
and then that's that's all, you know, true. But if
I'm Quinn yours and in that scenario plays itself out,
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I'm looking at this quarterback draft class and going hold
on a second, Like Chador looks to be the number
one guy based on the tape film and all that,
but like why can't Quinn be the next guy based
on these evaluations. You know, he's played really well through
his career in big games. He's got the arm strength,
he's got the abilities. He's been tough this year playing
through injury. I'm just I'm not sure in a year
where with the tape that Cars and Deck put out there,
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he's coming off injury. You know, cam Ord was special
and dynamic, but people are gonna have concerns about, you know,
offering an NFL offense. All those things that come up
that people try to you know, draw and take away
from what they see on tape. And so why not
if your quinn Ewers try to be a part of
this quarterback draft class playing on all that momentum that
you would be getting off a national championship.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Is Riley Leonard an NFL quarterback?
Speaker 3 (09:23):
I think so, you know, and look, I think there's
still parts of his game that are developing. He reminds
me a lot of Ryan Tannado. You know, when you
go back to Ryan, who played wide receiver at his
time of Texas A and M then transition to a quarterback. Now,
I think Ryan had you know, in his final time
at Texas and M displayed himself as much more of
a passer at that point. But if you look at Riley,
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I mean, he's getting to a team in his you know,
final year of play, and he's got to learn a
new offense. He's got to develop comistry at these guys,
and there's a lot of moving parts to all that.
And so I think there's gonna be people who are
going to be able to watch the tape and say,
an incredible athlete. He is a good leader. He it's
obviously tough. He has all these entangles we're looking for
off to the size, and he has the arm strength.
(10:05):
It's just there's things they got to hone in on
in regards to how he sees the field, how he processes,
and in particular throwing down the field. You know, that's
one of the things that I think stands out to
me is they haven't been able to be a successful
over ten yards downfield consistently within the offense. And again
there's a lot of reasons to that, but I think
he's got the capability of playing at the next level.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
If Bill Belichick asked for advice, what would you tell him?
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Oh man, I would tell him, why the hell are
you asking me for I'd be like, you already got problems.
If you're like, let's just start with this, like like
where did you go wrong? Like I'd probably throw back
around him, But who's who gave you got advice or what?
Who told you to ask me something? I guess The
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first thing I would say is it's it's so hard
because we're assuming he's the head coach in North Carolina, right,
We're not assuming he's going to potentially leave for an
NFL job, which still baffles me that you know someone
assen't hired him in the past two years. If that's
the case, I would say the number one thing is
he has to go find a quarterback, like evaluate the
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roster and you can, you know, construct the roster through
nil and high school recruit and all that, but he
needs to find a veteran guy he can get to
the portal the best guy possible, and he needs to
go attack and get one of these scud guys coming
out from high school. And you need to have at
least a couple of guys there to provide you depth
of ability but also for stability. So that would be
the number one thing that I'd say. If you look
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at a college game, like I would actually say the
college quarterback is more paramount then even an NFL quarterback
to a degree, And people might take issue with that,
but I just think the way the game is played
nowadays and the way the advantage that the elite quarterback
at college gives you over even at the NFL. We
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got to go up against good defenses and offensive line
matters even more. There's all these other parts play a factor.
I mean, if you have an elite quarterback, like you
really can go far. And I think cam Ward's an
example of that. Like how many of those other players
in Miami this year you look at and saying, well,
those guys are draft the board. Those guys are going
to be, you know, top picks, and I think without
him this year, they're probably a five win team. And
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then it's traumatically different conversation when Cambore gets there. So
I would say he's got to go address that position
first and foremost with an older, experienced guy if you can,
if you have to do through the portal, and then
obviously a high school guy.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Have fun tonight and don't be like, you know, somebody's
on the field a ESPN are you going to be
like jumping behind them and jumping up and you're not
going to be way okay.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
No, I'll be hard to miss. I'll be wearing my
orange jacket down there, so so if you look down,
there's like, why why is he wearing orange? Like what?
Like not a lot of people know that I'm on
the Orange Bowl committee. So it's it's always funny to
see the response from people when you wear the orange jacket,
because they do stand out. It's tremendous marketing. But then
it always comes with who are you rooting for if
drawing orange? So like, well, I've got my end the
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stuff on underneath, but I'll be wearing an orange shacket
during the presentation.
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Speaker 2 (14:16):
That's Covino and Rich. We spoke with Kyle Hamilton yesterday
after practice and he is a two time Pro Bowl
safety for the Ravens and a Notre Dame grad as well,
played under Marcus Freeman is his defensive coordinator, and I
started out by asking Kyle Hamilton, which game does he
feel more confident about the Ravens against the Steelers or
(14:39):
is fighting irish playing tonight against Penn State?
Speaker 7 (14:44):
You know, taking one step at a time.
Speaker 9 (14:47):
So Notre Dame is tomorrow, So I'm worried about that
Notre Dame game tomorrow. I got a few Penn State
people talking to a little trash. But you know, I said,
it's they had a good season. They it's kind of
a cool story that came this far. Get the program, sorry,
but we got bigger things to do.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Okay, do you have I think three teammates who went
to Penn State? Are there any side bets on this game?
Speaker 9 (15:10):
A ton of bragging rights, because that's all anybody does
is about their college. But you know, come Friday morning,
I'm gonna be really loud.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Marcus Freeman looks like he could still play Kyle.
Speaker 9 (15:22):
I think he's only about thirty five something like that?
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Is he but that up? But around there I think
he was pretty intend. Was he he was what defensive
coordinator when you were there?
Speaker 7 (15:33):
Yeah, he was not DC.
Speaker 9 (15:34):
He was It was cool to have a DC that
was closer in age to us than our head coach
and can kind of relate, been in it and can
relay the messages very well.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Does do you get to tackle Lamar Jackson or Derrick Henry?
Speaker 7 (15:52):
No? I mean I wish I could, more so than Derek.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
But you don't want to tackle Derrick Henry.
Speaker 9 (15:59):
Yeah, that's you know, when he has to do so
you know, you gotta do what you gotta do. But
I'm glad he's on the Ravens.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Okay, But that's where you make a business decision. If
he was playing on the Titans, have you made business
decisions when you're tackling somebody.
Speaker 9 (16:16):
I feel like you can't really do that because if
you try to do that, then you know you're just
gonna get embarrassed.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Well, you can't admit it, but in your mind it's like, God,
this is gonna hurt.
Speaker 7 (16:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (16:27):
Yeah, But most of the time you get up next
play and then you forget about it.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
But trying to corral Lamar, I mean, how tough is that?
And he's your teammate.
Speaker 9 (16:38):
Yeah, obviously I can't speak from experience other than fall Camp,
but even then, when he's going fifty percent Lamar, it's
still tough.
Speaker 7 (16:44):
To stop him.
Speaker 9 (16:45):
And you see it every single game day. It's just like,
I know, the defense has to be frustrated being out
there and you feel like you have the perfect play
out up and you do, and then you get to
him and he squirms out and runs for fifty yards.
It throws a sixty yard touchdown. It's just it's I
would be demoralizing.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Okay, if we ran a forty yard dash, who's winning
on the team out of everybody?
Speaker 7 (17:06):
Yeah, definitely not me.
Speaker 9 (17:10):
Uh as I showcased at the combine.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
What was your time at the combine?
Speaker 7 (17:16):
Four or five? Nine?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
All right? Yeah, yeah, but you're tall, you're rangy. You
make up for it.
Speaker 7 (17:24):
Yeah, that seems any care. They thought I was slow,
but you know.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Did they call you slow?
Speaker 7 (17:31):
Yeah? It it uh some of them did. But you
know it worked out and I'm I'm where I need
to be.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
At your Your speed challenged is what you are. You're
not slow, You're just speed challenge. And your forty was
faster than Jerry Rice's.
Speaker 9 (17:47):
Oh I can, all right, that's something the standing I can.
Somebody tries to make fun of me, but forty our
dash winner on the team probably probably Keaton uh No.
Speaker 7 (17:57):
Nate Wiggins, Nate Wiggins, Nate Wiggins and Keith Mitch would
be a good race.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Where's Lamar in this? If we did a forty or
one hundred yard.
Speaker 9 (18:07):
I don't think anybody's ever really seen Lamar run full speed.
When he does, he's super fast, so I probably put
it I say that Lamar runs around high four to three.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
He's Kyle Hamilton, the Ravens safety, two time pro bowler
and a former Notre Dame fighting irishman. The difference between
a playoff practice and a regular season practice is.
Speaker 7 (18:29):
What, honestly not much at least for us.
Speaker 9 (18:33):
You know, we try to take that mindset in every
single week so we don't get to the playoffs and
then change what we're doing. It's something that I think
the Ravens have done a great job of. Coach Harbor,
everybody in the facility and everybody on the staff is
just you know, we're kind of built for this at
this point. It's just business as usual. So going on
Saturday and do we need to do?
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Are you preparing for both quarterbacks? Yeah?
Speaker 9 (18:54):
Yeah, I think that's kind of something that you got
to prepare for because they deploy justin fields when you know,
keep driven run stuff.
Speaker 7 (19:01):
And obviously he's still a quarterback, can still.
Speaker 9 (19:03):
Throw the ball, so you know, you'd ever know how
the game is gonna go, and so you got to
prepared to be prepared for everything.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Best wide receiver you faced this season was who, hmm,
that's a good question.
Speaker 9 (19:20):
You know, CD's pretty good. I'm forgetting somebody. I will
always say it wasn't this season, but last season. Pookin
Nakua is probably one of the more underrated people in
the league.
Speaker 7 (19:31):
Just playing against him.
Speaker 9 (19:32):
He's physical, he's tough, makes great catches, runs good routes,
and you know, not a lot of people give him
credit for what he does. And that's one person that
really stuck out to me last year.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
But but Kyle, I watch him play and I'm like, Okay,
how did everybody miss on Pookin na Koua being a
great wide receiver, even a good wide receiver in the NFL?
Speaker 9 (19:50):
Yeah, I mean, I think he had somewhat of a
subpar combine or something coming out maybe measurables, But I
think people get stuck in the numbers a little too
much and forget that. You know, you gotta play football
at the other the day, and he's definitely a good
football player.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Jim Harball is quirky weird. Is John Harball quirky weird?
Speaker 9 (20:12):
Honestly, I don't think so. I think he was probably
the cooler brother growing up. Even though Jim was the
NFL quarterback. You know, John was still the older brother.
Speaker 7 (20:21):
And nah, I feel like I feel like he.
Speaker 9 (20:25):
Kind of has those older brother qualities and Jim has
those younger brother qualities.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Does John say goofy things though?
Speaker 9 (20:32):
Yeah, he does goofy, borderline corny. Yeah, he tries, and
we appreciate him trying to have a little satirical side
to him, but you know, sometimes he is.
Speaker 7 (20:44):
It's kind of a hit or miss with him.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Well, congrats so far, good luck against the Steelers, and
thanks for joining us.
Speaker 7 (20:51):
Thank you, Dad, appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
That's Kyle Hamilton, the Ravens Safety.
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Speaker 2 (21:06):
Mike Breen ESPN, ABC, NBA play by play commentator on
the call last night Cleveland against Oklahoma City? Did it
feel like a finals preview to you?
Speaker 4 (21:17):
It did? Was a long way to go and there's
a lot of teams that will have to say about that.
But the buzz in the place, it just it just
was different. I had to keep reminding myself, but it's
January eighth, so easy does it? But it had a
spectacular field. You could tell the players were so fired
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up and so into it. You know, they're all trying
to say it's a regular game, but it wasn't. They
knew it, The crowd knew it. It was. It was
really wonderful for a game on January eighth.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
When you do a show, when you if it's on
the Mothership or radio show, whatever you like, to play
the hits and the Cavaliers aren't playing the hits. But
they've gotten to that point, Mike, they're thirty two and four. Like,
you can't ignore the topic. This is one of the
great starts in the history of the NBA. Do you
get that sense of people are really struggling to grab
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a hold of this. Certainly Cleveland, Oklahoma City, we expect
them to be maybe there in the finals. Cleveland, they've
been a really good team, but they just haven't been,
you know, in the headlines because Lebron's gone.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
Couldn't agree more. It's like I even said in our open.
I repeated the record to Richard Jefferson, not because he
didn't he didn't know it. Obviously he knew it. But
it just sounds crazy to say that the Cleveland Cabs
are thirty two and four and they're they're that good.
They're really that good. And I think the fact that
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the betting line now still has the Boston Celtics the
clear favorite to come out of the East, despite the
fact that the Caves are doing this, and it's you know,
it's a credit to the whole organization from cold Altman
who made the roster, the patience to keep the roster
and not make, you know, sudden changes because they lost
in the first round two years ago and got beaten
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pretty badly in the second round last year, although it
was injuries. They just they play such fun basketball to
watch because they play team basketball.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I have a bet here with Marvin and I think
there'll be two Cavaliers named to the All Star team.
He says four.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Won't be four. I think three is a really good bet.
I think Mitchell Mobley and and Darius Garland. Although Jared
Allen the last couple of weeks he's played as well
as any of them, so it's it's gonna be interesting.
It'll be interesting to see. I think four is a lot,
because you know, you know, Boston has definitely two. New
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York has definitely two, although there was a couple of
normal guys that get on that aren't gonna make it,
so I wouldn't count it out. They certainly deserve it's
it's you know, like you said, it's it's one of
the greatest of any era, of any team, of any franchise.
It's one of the greatest starts the league has ever seen.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
If you were going to describe Shay Gilgis Alexander to
somebody who hadn't seen him play, how would you do it?
Speaker 4 (24:20):
A magical control of his body and no matter where
he goes, no matter what he does, an incredible poise
where nobody can speed him up and nobody can really
stop him. Killer instinct and even though you know he's
averaging so many points, he is such a team first guy.
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Everything about him he's he's it's hard to do it
in just a quick sentence. He's got this supreme confidence
but at the same time humility. He's just he's a
perfect guy to to kind of take over the throne
of of the for stars now with some of the
some of our greats aging. Everything about him is is
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just wonderful from a from a league standpoint, in terms
of being the guy that that you know, could lead
the next generation.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
I kind of see some Kawhi Leonard comps with him,
because Kawhi had an ability when he was healthy to
control the tempo of a game. Not necessarily a three
point shooter, but had that ability to if he wanted
to take you inside or that mid range jumper. And
you know, maybe similar size. I don't know if Shaye
is a little bit taller, but do you see that comp.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
Yeah, No, I like that because neither one of them,
you would say, are fast. They're both athletic, but that's
not what they They rely everything on. They're both super smart.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
You know.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
I think that's a big part of it. Shay smiles
a little bit more through Kawhi, but it's, you know
what the two The other thing you could say about
the two of them, and this is something he could
play in any era. He could have played in the
sixties his game because he kind of incorporates everything from
from the way players scored in the sixties seventies, you know,
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the nineties. He can take the physical style of the nineties.
You know, he's improved on his three point shooting of
today's current game. He's one of those guys that he's
just he's just a great basketball player that could play
in any era.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
We're talking to Mike Breeney, you know, ESPN, ABC, NBA
play by play commentator on the call last night, calves
in the thunder. How often do you get somebody coming
up to you and say, hey, Mike, can you give
me a bang?
Speaker 4 (26:37):
You really want to know? When I go into an arenas,
it's it's all the time, and I take it as
a as a compliment, and I'm flattered, like you wouldn't
believe that the people say that. But when they start,
the kids start shoving the phone in your face and
there yelling say bags. It's a Sometimes it gets a
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little much, but I'm again, I'm so flattered by it
that this one word has been so good to me.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Okay, but wait a minute, how do you do that
when somebody says, hey, Mike, will you say bang? Do
you just go bang?
Speaker 7 (27:15):
No?
Speaker 4 (27:16):
What? What? Sometimes I just go bang? And sometimes I'll
say that I if it's after a game. I'll say
I lost, I lost my boys. Wow.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Uh, what constitutes or warrants a double bang?
Speaker 4 (27:33):
There there's no formula. Yeah, it's it's strictly off the
flow of the game. What's going on? And wow, is
this this stumble of it? It really just comes out.
I wish I had a better answer. I'm sorry, you know,
I'm Next time we're on, I'm going to come up
with a better answer.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
I got to help you with your profile here. I mean,
let's let's embrace it. Do we do we have a copyright?
Do we got T shirt? And like, what are we doing? Mike?
Speaker 4 (28:00):
First off, you've always been helpful, so I appreciate any
additional help. I don't have copyright. I have a T shirt,
but that's just one. I never thought of selling it.
And you know, here's the interesting thing. And I don't
know if you and I have discussed this. I'm not
the first one to use it. And I didn't know
this until later. Johnny Most used to say bang when
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he did Celtics radio back in the day.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
You weren't aware of that.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
You just were not aware of it. And his son,
his son who was in the business, Jamie his son
alerted me to it, and I think right after I
found that out, I did bang in a Celtic game
and I said, that's dedicated to the great Johnny Most.
But you know, back in the day, we didn't if
you weren't in that town, you didn't know or listen
really to the radio voices of other teams. Now you
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can listen to the entire broadcast of other teams no
matter where you are. But I didn't know it at
the time.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I watched by Yama when Ben Yama the other night
again joker, and I said the following day, he's going
to win an MVP before he's twenty five. If you
don't now, I didn't have a great scoring night. But
he's got like a he can shoot the three. He
you know, he's a force. At the other end, I'm
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trying to figure out what is going to be his weakness,
Like Yiannis is not a great shooter. Uh, you know,
these guys have weaknesses. But Lemby looks pretty polished, Mike.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
He does everything really well. And I agree with you,
in a matter of a year or two, he's going
to be great at everything. I mean, there's certain things
he's great at now. But he doesn't really have a weakness.
You know, he's going to get stronger every year. He's
improved on his perimeter game every year. But his is
just his instincts, his feel for the game, and his
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desire to keep working every single day to get better.
When you talk to the Spurs people that they they're
pinching themselves because not only is this kid such an
unbelievable talent, but his makeup mentally and his desire to
be the best who's ever played is just is off
the charts. So I would not bet against you on that.
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Twenty five Now, he's going to win multiple MVPs, that's
for sure. I don't know by what age, but he's
going to win multiple.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
If I said to you, you have to pick one
of the two teams most likely to be in the
finals of the two teams last night.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Not going to do it. Not going to do it
to me, I'm sorry, Bang, there's so much you know
what the cool thing is, there's so much time left,
and because this year there's a possibility of a number
of players, like really good players, who are going to
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change teams by the trading deadline. That could absolutely swing
who's favorite so that's what I find fascinating. So there
might be a team that we're thinking they'll make the playoffs,
but they won't do much. All of a sudden, they
pick up one or two guys and they're now their
favorites to get to the finals. So it's it's really
hard to do that right.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Now, who retires first, Lebron, Steph or KDH.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
KD is going to keep playing for a long time.
Steph is still loving and Lebron is still loving too.
I think maybe Lebron because he's starting to drop hints.
But then again, he also just said that he knows
he could contribute until he's fifty, which he could. And
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that's the crazy thing, Like if he wanted to, he
could be fifty years old and probably average fifteen six
and four. I mean, he absolutely could do it.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Could ever see him ranked higher than Jordan?
Speaker 4 (32:03):
I don't here's another cop out. Don't be mad at me,
but I refuse to rank players from different eras. It's
just it's impossible. I mean, whether you want to talk
about Russell or Chamberlain or Alcindor or Kobe or Lebron
or Michael, I mean, it's hard to ever argue against
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Michael Jordan. But my favorite saying is comparison is a
thief of joy. And to start comparing one to the
other all of a sudden, to make your point, you're
starting to criticize the other. And how do you criticize
the other?
Speaker 2 (32:37):
All right, I think I've used you. I've I've talked
to you long enough. I can hear the voice. Maybe
it's starting to waiver a little bit here?
Speaker 4 (32:47):
What's starting a waiver?
Speaker 2 (32:49):
It just sounds like you're kind of losing your voice.
It's it's sound as like like, guys, I think we
can all agree. It sounds like Breen's voice is going
a little bit there, a little again little.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
You know, I'm not going to compare. I mean, you're
not Doc Rivers because Doc Rivers sounds like this.
Speaker 7 (33:07):
You got to give me forty eight, guys, you gotta
give me forty eight.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
That's frizzy.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
I tell I could tell it was him.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Yeah, you know Todd.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Do you have any idea how important Todd was to
my career? No? Well, when I worked on the Imis
in the Morning Show, my whole stick was getting getting
quality sound bites to play off of and have fun
and he was the morning news and sports producer, and
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he was the one that would find the bites that
he knew would work, and he knew I would like
to try and work. He was I couldn't have done
it without him.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
He was spectacular because I thought you were awesome with
that when you had fun with these sound bikes. And
now we're talking about Todd Fritz. Right, yes, okay, all right,
fair enough. I didn't know. I'm a journalist, Todd. I
got to ask these questions.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
So I started at w FN with Breen in the game.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
He was amazing. He was amazing him and another guy
who did it was Craig Shamides. Those two guys were invaluable.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Well that's that's great to know. And I know the
voice is going. So I don't know your next game,
so I'm gonna let you rest that, but thank you
for sharing your thoughts. Quite well, that's Mike Breen.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
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Speaker 2 (34:41):
He is Greg McElroy ESPN College Football Analyst. He'll be
on the call ABC ESPN tonight, it's Penn State, Notre Dame.
How about we start there, Dion in the NFL or
staying at Colorado?
Speaker 8 (34:58):
Well, are you suggesting which I would If I were
giving Don some type of advice, which way would I go?
I would probably stay at Colorado. You can write your
ticket there. Man, He's become musty television. The Alamo Bowl
game that he lost by twenty thirty points was the
highest rateed game outside of the College Football Playoff in
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the bowl season. He's appointment television for many And I
think now with the support that they're getting from an
nil standpoint, Dan, I think it's easier to win on
a consistent level in college. I think in the NFL
you can be the greatest thing in the world and
then fired the next year. Yeah, college, you got a
little bit more runway if you can have a positive
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impact on the kids.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
All Right, The point spread tonight is Notre Dame by
one and a half. Let's say the game comes down
to that kind of point spread. Paint the picture for
the audience of you being the analyst tonight of how
you think that would play out in the final second.
Speaker 8 (36:01):
Well, it would be phenomenal you'd know, Sean McDonough. Something
tells me we would have a voice crack, and we
would have a lot of energy, and we would have
one heck of a finish as long as a punter
doesn't drop it and allow Jalen watch Jackson to return
one to the house. That could elicit some stronger reaction.
That would be two or three voice cracks potentially. But Dan,
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I don't know about you. You've been a college football
fan for a long time and you've supported and helped
promote our sport, and we're very grateful to you for that.
But I think the College Football Playoff, while we haven't
had the most compelling matchups from a competitive standpoint, it's
been captivating television and I think if we could just
get one that would go the distance. You look at
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the game between Arizona State and Texas, a game that
went to overtime, multiple overtimes. That game had seventeen point
three million viewers at noon or one o'clock Eastern time
on New Year's Day, a window that had not performed
well in the past, gets an all time high because
of how compelling that game was, and it was between
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two programs, one Blue Blood and one that's kind of
an upstart and airs on the state. That would be magnificent.
But I think if Notre Dame and Penn State, two
of the most storied programs, two of the top programs
in the history of college football from a win standpoint,
to win the top seven, if it comes down to
the wire like that, it'd be pretty remarkable. And it's
probably gonna be a defensive slugfest. It's gonna feel like
a pitcher's duel. It's gonna feel like, you know, Verlander
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on the mound against Kershaw ten years ago, and whoever
can somehow find a C and I singles got a
chance to win the game.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
It's gonna be pretty remarkable. Best player on the field
tonight will be.
Speaker 8 (37:42):
When Notre Dame's on offense. The best player on the
field tonight could actually be two players on either side,
depending on their health. Abdul Carter, in all likelihood will
play for Penn State the defensive end. Pass rusher Kuiper's
got him as the number two overall player behind Travis Hunter.
Super dynamic player. I mean, but they move him around too.
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I mean, that's what's fun. I think he's not one
of those guys, that's just stationary end of the line
of scrimmage player. Like he can be over the center,
he can be over the guard, he can blitz off
the second level. Like he's a very versatile piece. He
can move around. He is at less than one hundred
percent because of a shoulder injury that he has suffered
against Boise State. Played just seventeen snaps in that game,
so we'll be monitoring his availability as a game time decision.
Then on the other side of Jeremiah Love, who has
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a right knee injury, the running back for Notre Dame,
he hasn't really been all that effective. He hurt his
knee against USC in the final week of the regular
season and has like thirteen touches in the two playoff
games since. The problem is that one of those thirteen
touches is a ninety eight yard touchdown run, So he's
still got great top end speed. But those are the
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two players that I think are probably the most captivating
television for tonight's game.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Handicapped tomorrow night's game, Ohio State Texas. Everybody's on Ohio State,
aren't they. Yeah, you know, it's I feel like you're
getting Texas on sale. From a handicapping perspective, Texas on
the heels of a two overtime win as a double
digit favorite, two touchdown favorite against Arizona State, Texas Scott
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flaws when yours is flawed. Are you going to buy it?
It sounds like you would buy Texas a home game,
it feels well.
Speaker 8 (39:23):
Is Ohio State ever on the road? I guess the
other question that I've starting to realize when it comes
to neutral sites, man, Ohio State is going to be there,
and they're going to be allowed, and they're going to
make their presence felt. I do think, though, that Texas
is a really They're a team that can absolutely match up. Again,
I think they match up really well. I'm not saying
they'll win the game. I actually think Ohio State will
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win the game. But if you're gonna tell me I
can get nearly seven, if I get six, six and
a half, five and a half, I kind of lean Longhorns.
I look at where they're built in their strength. They're
very similar to Michigan with what they have along the
defensive front. And while I think Oregon is a good
football team, I don't think Oregon is as equipped. I
know they beat Ohio State earlier in the season. I
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also acknowledged though that that version of Ohio State very
different than the Ohio State that they saw just this
last weekend that the Rose Bowl. Ohio State at that
time in that game lost their left tackle Will Howard
was not yet as comfortable as he is right now.
Their receiver Jeremiah Smith in that game was a good player,
but not a take over the game as the best
player in college football type of player at that point.
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So Ohio State's very different. So they beat Oregon badly
because Oregon took the same plan that they used the
first time around, and they don't match up as well.
Texas will kind of keep things in front and their
defensive line can win the game. That's Texas's strength, and
that's where Ohio State lost the game against Michigan. So
I do think that Texas matches up better than anyone
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else up to this point in the postseason against Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Greg McElroy, ESPN college football analyst. He'll be on the call.
It's on ABC and ESPN. Sean McDonough will be there,
Molly McGrath, Katie George and that starts at seven thirty Eastern.
Also part of Omaha Production's Always College Football podcast, co
host of Mac and Cube in the Morning on WJOX
in Birmingham. How often do coaches get out coached?
Speaker 7 (41:18):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (41:19):
A lot?
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Because I'll go back to what what Notre Dame did
against Kirby Smart, what Marcus Freeman did when they swapped
out and then they were gonna punt they were not
then you get you know, offsite. I mean, that's that's
one moment. But to me, that helped change the game.
So I don't know, like you played for Nick Saban,
but the number of times, like Bill Belichick, how many
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times will he out coach somebody in the college in
college games?
Speaker 8 (41:50):
You know what's funny is it? And I know that
this is like the most obvious coach speak thing ever,
so apologize in advance. But more games are lost than one,
you know what I'm saying. Like, we'll go back to
the game and the Sugar Bowl with Notre Dame against Georgia.
Two moments stand out in the game. Okay, one was
at the end of the half. They have a backup
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quarterback in the game. Notre Dame is thinking, hey, they're
going to run the ball, take it to half. The
game's going to be six ' three. Notre Dame's got
a slight lead, but for the most part, you know,
it's a low scoring game and it's lacked a lot
of offense. Well, they put their run defense personnel in
the game. Rj Oben is a guy that had that moment,
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had zero sacks on the season. Well, what does he do.
He goes right around the left tackle, stripsack, fumble recovery
Notre Dame on the next offensive snap, touchdown. Now it's
a game that is feels like it's blown open at
thirteen to three. That was one moment in the game,
and that was Kirby being probably a little bit too
aggressive there at the end of half Hindsight's twenty twenty, Like,
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do you really expect your left tackle to get killed
by a run stopping defensive end. Probably not all right,
So that was one moment. The other moment was, like
you referenced late in the game, Marcus Freeman ops to
run his punt team on on fourth and one, and
then all of a sudden, run his punt team off
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put his offense on, which allows Kirby's team and defense
to substitute. But they're thinking about getting lined up. The
last thing they're thinking about in that scenario is the
snap count. It was chaotic on the sideline, it was
chaotic near the line of scrimmage. Their best player, a
guy in Jalen Walker who's going to be a three
or four time All Pro in his career, lean's just
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ever so slightly the neutral zone, free play first down.
Next thing, you know, nine plays later, in six minutes
off the clock, they've stolen a possession. So I think
great coaches know how to just tweak and create that
slight edge to steal a possession, whether it's a timely
on sidekick, a fake punt, a surprise on sidekick, the
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you know thing, going for it on fourth down, maybe
backed up and getting it somehow, great coaches know at
that perfect time when to pull that card and play it.
Marcus did it once and Kirby made a mistake at
the end of half, and that's why the game ended
up the way it ended up.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
How often have you had to or did you have
to consciously say to Greg McElroy, former Alabama quarterback, don't
be sec friend friendly because you're gonna get criticized no
matter what, because we're going to read into what you
say and how you say it. But I'm asking you
understanding that have you had to remind yourself be as
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fair as possible, even though subconsciously it might still be
in your DNA.
Speaker 8 (44:48):
I don't even know, And I think it's a great question.
I think it's all from a matter of perspective. Like
if you want to know who I am biased towards,
it's great teams, you know what I mean, Like like
I kind of just follow.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
I like to watch the.
Speaker 8 (45:04):
Teams that executed a really high level, like I really
really and I've all and whether it was Michigan last
year or whether it was TCU two years ago or
whatever the teams it may be. I've always loved Utah
like I just love how they you know, never maybe
as far as getting off the bus, maybe not the
best team, but even dating back to when urban Meyer
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was there in the early two thousands, it's long been
a team I've just had a tremendous amount of admiration for.
So I've kind of found myself navigating towards the teams
that play really high level football. As far as the
SEC stuff, I do have more familiarity with the league.
Let's be real, I called five Georgia games. This year,
I called four Kentucky games. You know, I called four
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Ole Miss games. I called a couple of the Tennessee
games a couple of Bama games. Like you just have
maybe a deeper understanding of the depths of the roster.
But there there's never really a point. If you do
your work professionally, I could care less what patch they
have on their jersey. I simply see numbers, names, coaches, records, statistics,
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and tendencies. What conference they align with is not one
that I usually pay a lot of attention to. And
I know people ask me all the time, how do
you call Bama games and not get not allow your
fandom to come out? Pretty easily because when I was
in school, I was probably harder on Alabama as a player,
and I could ever be in this line of work.
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So I think if you look at it through a
not a critiquing lens, but a lens in which you're
trying to offer constructive criticism and point out observations, then
the conference affiliation should have no impact on how you
call the game.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
But college football is about brands. You know, everybody was
screaming for Alabama to be in the playoffs, and I go, no,
they don't deserve to be in the playoffs.
Speaker 8 (46:56):
I think it's about brands to an extent. I do
think there's there is this perception that you know this,
you know, the big brands are going to get preferential treatment.
I don't know if that, but.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
They do bring eyeballs. They do bring like Notre Dame
brings eyeballs. Absolutely, people are going to watch absolutely, absolutely,
And I think because of Alabama, they're like, well, god,
do we want Boise State or Arizona State in there?
We want Alabama in there. And we saw Alabama against
Michigan in the bowl game. You know, they just weren't
a great team a good team this year. And I
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think that's a problem for college football. We get top
heavy with Georgia, Ohio State, Clemson used to be in there.
It's like the same six or seven schools every year
that we get programmed to think, oh, those are the
best teams in the country. Arizona State was awesome. I
mean that was so much fun. And Boise State did
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what Boise State was supposed to do. Indiana did what
they were supposed to do. Now do I think Indiana
was deserved to be in there, No from a talent perspective,
or who they played, but they played who's on their schedule.
So I until we come up with a better format
with this greg or scenarios that make it fairer, you know,
I don't want us to fall back on well, I
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don't know, just put Alabama in, put Clemson. Yeah, I
don't like that.
Speaker 8 (48:20):
I worry about when in doubt, what in doubt? Give
the teams with more stars, meaning like star ratings, their
recruiting ratings, like GEN and DOW, give them the benefit
of the doubt. I don't think that's the proper way
to go about it, because while would Alabama potentially have
been more competitive in a playoff setting, I have no idea,
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you know, And that's why I can't sit here and
pound the drum.
Speaker 7 (48:44):
Oh.
Speaker 8 (48:45):
Clearly we need to reevaluate, you know, how we're seating
teams or how we're putting teams in and who should
get in and who should Now, I think there are
things we can do to adjust our criteria by incentivizing
improved and strengthened non conference schedules. I would like to
see that because that benefits all of us if we
see stronger non conference games. That's going to only create
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more intrigue and maybe add a little more context to
the conference supremacy argument. I'd like to see it. We
see it in basketball. If you play a murderer's row
schedule in the non conference, than your likelihood of having
a high RPI come tournament times really high. And if
you're nineteen and fifteen from Syracuse, doesn't really matter because
you make the tournament. Next thing, you know, in a
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play in game, you're eleven seed, you're playing the final four.
So we've seen it in the past. I mean, it's definitely,
it's definitely possible. I'd like to see stronger non conference
because right now in beloaded conferences you can't. Not all
SEC schedules are created equal, not all Big ten schedules
are created equal. So I think non conference play is
where we need to focus. And if we can incentivize
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teams that go out of their conference and play top
tier competition, that should be rewarded, regardless of the outcome
in some cases how they get blown out. No, absolutely, not,
like that's a data point that needs to be considered.
But it also if it's close, and if it was
on the road and you tried to go play a
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top tier team and lost. That should be rewarded as
opposed to playing an FCS team and winning by thirty five.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
You know what I'm saying, man, I think it should
come down to Vegas should be relied on to rank
the teams, your top twelve teams. It should be Vegas.
Vegas has no opinion, no bias. They're they are looking
at what is the best matchups, and I think Vegas
would make more sense. I don't want these automatic berths.
(50:36):
I don't want any of that. It should be here's
the twelve best teams.
Speaker 10 (50:40):
I saw you cringing yes to an extent, yes, because
if we did that, then USC from a power rating
standpoint at the season's end at seven and five, is
in the mix.
Speaker 8 (50:52):
If we went strictly off Vegas. Now, Vegas plays a
little bit on psychology too, I mean, why do you
think now power ratings are a factor, But there's also
you know which team is playing better at the moment,
Which team is going to garner more public interest? Which
team is If I set the line maybe a shade
the line, maybe a point point and a half higher,
is that going to generate more buzz and to create
(51:14):
balance on either side of the line. I just think
Vegas Vegas has different incentives. While I understand and appreciate
the thought process of that, then at that point, why
do we play the game. Let's just have a sixty
four team tournament and let's just let's just see how
things go. That'll be a freak and let's go. I like,
(51:36):
I like, I don't think it's broken. The one thing
I would adjust is I think that Big ten and
SEC conference champions should be rewarded with a home playoff game.
And however we figure out the bull system after the fact,
I think we'll probably get rid of buyas because it's proven,
at least in this tournament that the buy does not
benefit you. And how can we get the conference champions
(51:57):
to get home games? That needs to be examined as well.
Speaker 2 (51:59):
Right, have fun to night, Okay, I appreciate it all right,
And be nice to both sides, okay always Okay. Greg
McElroy
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