January 10, 2025 • 56 mins
Dan reacts to Notre Dame's come-from-behind win over Penn State. Was James Franklin to blame for this loss or was it mental mistakes from the Penn State players? College football insider Chris Fowler defends Franklin and sheds some light on some potential changes we could see to the 12 team playoff in the future. Head Football Coach Kenny Dillingham breaks down the winning culture he's built at Arizona State and details some keys to the game for tonight's Cotton Bowl. And Hall of Fame coach, Bill Cowher explains where the Ravens/Steelers rivalry started and previews NFL Wild Card Weekend.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
We did it. We made it to a Friday. It's
our one. It's a meat Friday, but it's a little
seafood Friday as well. Oysters from Doug in North Carolina,
the Carolina Gold Oysters, reverse seared ribbies, crabcakes, bacon wrapped scallops.
Has it better than we do?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
No body?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Wow. I know morale is high, so is the grocery
bill that I'm paying for. But thank you to Doug
in North Carolina. He sent three hundred oysters yesterday, so
the Carolina Gold oysters. Todd. I said to Toddy, have
you ever had an oyster? He goes, yeah, yeah, don't
(00:48):
they have like a pearl in him? And I go, no, no,
not the ones you're going to be eating. You've I
don't think you've ever. I think you've had stuffed clams.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Yes, I think I've a under types of stupred.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
For some reason, I thought it was that little pearl thing,
one of those little white circles counts as a royal oyster.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
But I guess I don't even know what a royal
oyster is.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Then I don't think that would be good to eat.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Probably not, it would be dangerous, okay, but I'm up
for trying it out.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
And so's all that. Well, they're raw, just to let
you know. These aren't cooked.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
But there's the scallops and there's the ribby, and there's
all kinds of other stuff going on.
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Too with them. Yes, yes, grabcakes? All right, all right?
Eight seven seven three DP show. If you'd like to
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phone calls. Chris Fowler will be on the call tonight.
It's Texas and Ohio State. We will talk to the
Arizona head football coach, Kenny Dillingham a little later on.
Also Bill Cower will join us. It'll be the Steeler
(01:40):
head coach, CBS Sports Hall of Famer a little bit
later on as well. The most must win game of
the weekend, we'll have that for you coming up. But
Notre Dame comes back to beat Penn State twenty seven
to twenty four. And it was such a weird game
when you think about it, the back and forth with
this Penn State scores the first ten Notre Dame, the
next seventeen, Penn State, the next four team and then
(02:03):
Notre Dame scores the final ten points. There's a lot
of different directions to go in. I think if you're
a Penn State fan, you've been down this road before,
certainly with your head coach. James Franklin doesn't do well
in games against top ten opponents. In fact, he's three
and eleven facing a top ten team when his team
(02:24):
was also ranked in the top ten. That's the worst
record by any active coach with at least ten such games.
But give credit to Marcus Freeman Notre Dame. At one
point I text the dan Nets and I said, I
don't know if they're going to win, but Penn State's
a better team than Notre Dame. They had more explosive
(02:45):
players have due Carter is awesome. I watched him against USC.
I've watched him twice. Like a true game. Now, you
can watch highlights and you can make somebody really good
or really bad in a highlight. But he is a
disruptor and he wasn't one hundred percent. And we kept thinking, Okay,
(03:05):
they got a running attack, that offensive line was great,
and I was just waiting for Drew Aller to be
who I guess we thought he was. That he was
not going to make mistakes, spat it around. The wide
receivers for Penn State didn't have a reception. That's really
really hard to do. But Notre Dame hung in there.
(03:28):
You know, when Riley Leonard got knocked down, I thought
he had a concussion. And then you have the backup
quarterback who comes in and leads them down to a
field goal, going six per seven in that drive, and
I thought that's more than three points because I didn't
know if Riley Leonard was going to be able to
come back. It in play. The backup quarterback who's been
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there for I don't know, two or three years, waiting
his turn while they bring in all these transfers and
they get a field goal, and it just felt like
it was ten to three, but it felt like it
was ten to ten. Penn State looked like they should
have been up by thirteen, fourteen points. I thought they
were that good, but they just didn't make a big
(04:12):
play when they needed to. And then you had the
interception late in the game that led to the game
winning field goal. Here's Marcus Freeman on his team last night.
Speaker 6 (04:24):
In the second half, he made some Jeremiah Love plays,
and you know when it speaks volumes to the heart
he has. He gave everything he had to this place.
He did not have to play today, and you know
nobody would have bet it an I, but he put
team in front of himself and how he felt. And
we got a whole bunch of guys like that in
the locker room, and that's why we're in this position.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Here is the call Notre Dame Radio Network with the
game winning field goal by Mitch Jeter. Goot snap good hold,
kick on its way and.
Speaker 7 (04:56):
The kick is good.
Speaker 8 (05:00):
It's Jeter who's seventh second.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Left gives the.
Speaker 9 (05:04):
Irish hold twenty seven twenty four Notre Dame.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
He's on the precipice. Yes, and they've also done maybe
the impossible. They're kind of likable. Whether you know I
grew up a Notre Dame fan, but if you're not
a Notre Dame fan, like I don't think you go, well,
I hate Marcus Freeman Like Marcus Freeman's a guy I'd
want to play for. And you can get that. Remember
(05:30):
when he got the head coaching job, when Brian Kelly left,
and all of a sudden he walks into the room,
into the locker room, and his players erupted like it
was such a cool moment. Now, granted, you know some
of those players aren't there anymore, but that feeling is
still there. And then they made the right place when
they needed to. And you know, right before Drew Alert
(05:55):
throws that interception, Greg McElroy said, hey, you know he
takes care of the football until he didn't. Here is
the quarterback for Penn State on that turnover.
Speaker 10 (06:06):
Yeah, I mean I was going through my progression, got
to the backside, and honestly, I was just trying to
dirt it at his feet. But just I should have
just thrown it a way when I felt the first
two progressions not open, just because of the situation we
were in. But I was just trying to dirt it
out Amari's feet. So but just did to execute what I.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Was trying to do, and he was hit when he
threw it. And it's one of those plays that you
still have two timeouts left, little less than a minute
to go, and you know the fact that you have
two timeouts and you have a little bit of time
on the clock, that's why you're not going to play
for overtime. You're not going to you know, you're trying
to do something and I think that they got a
(06:47):
little too aggressive there instead of throwing the ball away obviously,
but for Notre Dame. Now they wait for the winner
of tonight's game with Ohio State and Texas. By the way,
Ohio State is the favor to win the national title.
Bennett's Notre Dame and Texas. Ohio State is a six
point favorite coming up tonight, Pole question Today's Seaton. By
(07:09):
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Speaker 11 (07:23):
That's Friday Dan. You know what that means. That means well,
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Speaker 11 (07:51):
I don't know if he can call them up right away,
but he has one here that was interesting. Would you
rather be today, James Franklin or Brian Kelly?
Speaker 12 (08:00):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Wow, Wow, voters take your place.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Dang, where did that come from?
Speaker 4 (08:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
One's working on an accent, one's gonna, you know, playing
for a national title.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Uh well, no, he's not playing for a national type. Well,
a lot of.
Speaker 11 (08:21):
People were pointing out, let's say that Brian Kelly left
Notre Dame because he wanted to go to a place
where he could win a national title. That is true,
and thus far, well, he struggled to be anywhere close
to that. I would rather be Brian Kelly today. I
would rather be Brian Kelly because once again this this
(08:46):
stays with James Franklin.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
He can't win. He doesn't win now, is it all
on him? No? But you know it still comes back
to you. It's on your one loss record. It's not
on Drew Awler's one lost record as much as it
is James Franklin. And it's not a coincidence. He just
doesn't win when his team is ranked in the top ten.
(09:09):
He doesn't beat top ten opponents. Yeah.
Speaker 11 (09:13):
So when you have like this, that's like, you know,
wide receivers had like zero touches, zero yards, zero touchdowns. Yeah,
you put that more on the head coach for not
finding a way to get his receivers of the ball.
Then you do the quarterback who has to get it there? Well,
I would say both yeah, yeah, I would say obviously
shared responsibility, but.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
I'd put it on the offensive coordinator. Yeah, and James Franklin, Like,
you want to put your players in a position to succeed,
and so that's why you have coaches. They need to
be coached to be put in positions to succeed. It's
really hard to not have a reception if you your
Penn State wide receivers and nobody has a reception. And
(09:57):
I still watching that first half, I kept thinking, boy,
they better score points and you got a great tight end.
It just felt like all else fails go to Warren.
They had a running game, you had two running backs,
offensive line, you had a defensive player might have been
the best player on the field. Like it was all there.
(10:19):
It matched up for you. I mean, Riley Leonard played
well in the second half through for one hundred and
sixty yards, but you're still watching, and I just thought
Penn State should be dominating, like physically dominating this game.
And then it's it's almost like Notre Dame got that
confidence boost. Then Ridley Leonard comes back and they kind
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of it's almost like when you face Mike Tyson, not
that Penn State is Mike Tyson, but you have to
survive the first two rounds and then once you do,
then you gain confidence. And it's like Notre Dame was
getting hit and then they're like, all right, we're hanging
in here, hanging in here, and then all of a sudden,
they didn't get knocked down, they didn't get knocked out,
(11:03):
and I think that's a testament to them, and they
made some big plays when they needed to. Would anybody
want to be James Franklin over Brian Kelly today?
Speaker 7 (11:13):
Yes, Paul today. It's painful, but you're close. You're not
off the map right now. LSU with all that talent,
not being in the playoff picture is more embarrassing. Okay,
By the way, people in college football like the James
Franklin nickname small game James wow.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
D Okay, set a big game James. Okay, dang, Yes, Ton.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
I would agree with Pauli that you got it to
the final four.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
I know you didn't get over the hump just yet,
but you're extremely relevant and something to build on, and.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
They were one of the last four teams. So I'd
rather be James.
Speaker 11 (11:46):
Frank Okay, Seaton, right, I think you want to be
playing at the bare minimum even if you're even if
you are, say, small game, James, you at least got
to the big game.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
To not be able to you know, you lost it,
But yeah, I guess I don't want that reputation if
I can't win a big game and it's there, and
we thought that going into I just thought, you know what,
somehow Someway Notre Dame wins this game, even though I
(12:18):
thought Penn State was far and away the better team,
certainly in that first half. Yes, Marvin, Then what's Brian
Kelly's reputation? Maybe the guy who left Notre Dame to
try to win titles and then Notre Dame won a
national title?
Speaker 13 (12:34):
Forgive me Brian. Wait wait, wait, no, that's not nice
because he hadn't even won all of his games.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
You no, yes, it's still early, but Marcus Freeman did
the impossible. He made Notre Dame likable at least. Maybe
I'm overstating this, but I just get the feeling that
people watch Notre Dame and they're like, okay, all right,
you know kind of spunky here.
Speaker 11 (12:55):
Yes, yes, Brian Kelly got to the National Championship game,
and Notre Dame's still hasn't gotten the stink off of
them yet.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
From that game.
Speaker 11 (13:03):
They got destroyed us. They got absolutely destroyed by Alabama.
That was his one moment of let's see what happens
when you get the big game.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
He at least got to the big game.
Speaker 11 (13:16):
Notre Dame still isn't taken seriously as a football program
because of that one game.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
And I'm a Notre Dame fan, and that one game
was so bad. That's when you realized that there was
a difference between the SEC and everybody else, or you
were reminded that there's a big difference because you watched.
When you watch Notre Dame, it's like and I always
thought maybe their cleats are heavier than everybody, and like
they always seemed slower when they were facing Alabama because
(13:45):
Alabama came in. It's like uh, you guys are supposed
to be good. They blew them out. It's a different
Notre Dame team. You know, it's not a finesse team.
You know, they had to kind of sec that lineup
a little bit.
Speaker 13 (13:59):
Yes, Marvin, wait, hold on, Notre Dame got molly wopped
by Clemson also in the final four. That maybe the
Cotton Bowl. Okay, they got Look it's probably thirty three
to three.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yeah, but that was a while ago, two eighteen. That's
that's an internity.
Speaker 11 (14:14):
It's definitely way more recent than the example I gave.
Correct was twenty thirteen, So correct.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I think I'd still rather be Brian Kelly than I
would James Franklin today. But that's a great poll question.
You know, I'll ask Chris Fowler that dh and he
just canceled. Yeah. Yeah, we normally don't have you know,
sometimes you get people say, hey, uh, you know, he'll
(14:42):
do the interview, but not Chris. But you know we'll
have gas Lit said, but you can't ask about and
normally it's the question I wasn't going to ask that
they bring up to me that I go, oh, maybe
I should ask that question.
Speaker 7 (14:53):
Yeah, Paulie, I'm not going to give names, but a
major music artist was coming in studio, and the last
thing we heard from the pub is a was don't
ask about what happened in Vegas last week. We had
no idea until we looked it up and we're like, okay.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Oh dang, yeah, I'm like, I want to ask that.
So anything interesting what goes on in Vegas? Stas he
was thinking was in Vegas? It was really a lot
of fun. Ever been there?
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Yes, that's actually happened a number of times.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Don't ask him what the cops founded his trunk. He
doesn't want to get it.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Talk about, okay, what they found in his trunk. Yeah.
I remember right before we were gonna have Barry Bonds
on and we were told this is they're going to
hand him the phone, and he was on and he
was I think he was promoting a new personality. And
maybe it was KFC or maybe it was his home
(15:48):
security uh company. I don't know what it was. But
they're like, all right, Barry's joining us from spring training,
and hey, before if we're not talking about stairs there
any of that stuff, and you know, blah blah blah bah,
here's bar I go wait on, hold on here I
have to I have to do and I can't have
bonds on and then go, hey, so what do you
(16:12):
attribute your growth to? Now thirty seconds, you're gonna give
me ground rules. I'm like, no, tell Dan no baseball questions.
It's cream clear.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
People going to jail for him. We we're not getting to.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
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Speaker 2 (17:39):
Chris Fowler, he'll be on the call. It's the Cotton
Bowl coming up tonight, Texas, Ohio State Herbie will be there,
Holly row Laura Rutledge festivities on the mother Ship starting
at seven point thirty Eastern. He'll also be on the
call for the National Title game. Here's your question, Chris. Oh,
by the way, it's a good thing they're not playing
the game outdoors. Look outside there in Dallas, wintrey.
Speaker 12 (18:04):
We had like a nice wintry mix. It was snow
that became hail, sleep, rain, yesterday. It's wild. I mean, yeah,
it gets frigid also, like very cold and windy. The
at and T is right behind me here out that window.
It's hard to see, but it's got so in the
top of it, and it's nice and warm even in
cold weather. Some stadiums are cold when it's cold outside
(18:26):
because they don't have heat in them, and this one
is nice and toasty, So good setting.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
All right, here's the question I'll start the conversation with,
would you rather be James Franklin this morning or Brian Kelly.
Speaker 12 (18:42):
Oh Man, I got to pick.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (18:44):
I mean, I think James Franklin's team. It was a
it was a good run. I mean, it's a heartbreaking
way to lose the game. Some of those plays that
decide it will haunt probably him and his team for
a while. But I think there's a lot to be
proud of what Penn State did and Battle of the End,
and I don't think they have anything to really be
embarrassed about it at Penn State. If you're James Franklin,
certainly you know, I think You've answered some questions. Some remain,
(19:07):
But I think it was a really good year of
Penn State.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
But When we talk about James Franklin, it's about his
record against top ten teams. I mean, that's really what
his resume seems to be about. Is that fabite?
Speaker 12 (19:21):
Well, it's whatever the media decides it's about. I mean,
that's part of it. You are, when you're a program
at Penn State, you were expected to compete with and
beat the best your share of the time. Most of
those losses are to Ohio State, you know, And I
was wondering if that was going to be the narrative
at Penn State. One last night, Ohio State wins tonight,
another rematch in an all Big ten game and in
(19:43):
a series that obviously Ohio States dominated, and I called
the last time Penn State beat them was a block
field goal run back by Grand Haley on a whiteout night.
It's been since then. So we're not going to get
that narrative. And I think that's okay because I don't
know how much national belief there would be the Penn
State could get over the hump against the red hot
Buckeye seen if that's what happened. So we don't have
(20:04):
that narrative, but I you know, again, yeah, he's gonna
have to get better they get the beat Ohio State
once in a while, but I don't. I don't think
that's sorely laughing. I gotta be honesty. I just don't
you know, you want to look at Ohio State against
SEC teams who are ranked in the top five. I
spin this back because Buckeye fans know that James Franklin's
stats is okay, Well, if that's relevant, Is it relevant
that Ohio State's won seven and one all time against
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SEC top five teams, which Texas is No, I don't
think so at all. So you can you can spin
stats any way you want. I mean, would you have
loved the game, won the game?
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Yes?
Speaker 12 (20:38):
Could they have? Should they have?
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Maybe?
Speaker 12 (20:40):
But I don't think that that that's on James Franklin
for sure.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Do you ever have announcer envy when you're watching a game?
Of course, ye, all the time.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Man.
Speaker 12 (20:52):
I mean I would not have minded calling the Orange Bowl.
I live in Miami. For one thing, it is not
wintry in Miami. I really had expectations for that game
last night that unfolded. I don't know who's going to win,
but I was a Notre Dame practice this week. I
saw the Irish. I a forecast the kind of game
we got. It was going to be three points either way.
(21:13):
It's going to come out of the last possession. I
don't mind calling games coming out of the last possession.
I would love for this game tonight not to be
a first round knockout. But listen, Dan, I mean, like,
who am I to whine of at anything? This is
our twenty third playoff game the Kirk and I have
had the privilege to call tonight. That's a big number
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going back to the first one in twenty fourteen. So
I don't let my envy get in the way of
having a good time calling whatever I'm calling. But yeah,
that's a hell of a game to call last night.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
But when you're calling a game like this, I know
they're supposed to be like it's just another game, but
it's not just another game. But then you have to
stay in your comfort zone. Do you ever have that
kind of conflicting Am I adding too much or not enough?
Am I excited? Am I favoring somebody or not realizing it?
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Like?
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Do you process any of that while you're getting ready
or while you're doing it?
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Yeah? You do.
Speaker 12 (22:11):
I don't think I have to worry about favoring somebody,
because if you honestly don't care about the outcome and
separate yourself from that, then you don't have to worry
about it. And it's all in the ear of a
holder anyway. You know, the fans listening, you're gonna think, oh,
he loves the other team, Toby, so look's listen to
the call and the other side say it's the same thing.
I mean, you know, you get excited when when good
things happen on the field, and I don't even think
about who's in the uniform that's doing it. I think
(22:34):
that you do a lot of these games, you want
to strike the balance between certainly not being jaded because
you've done a lot of big games and I don't
think we ever come across as being jaded or hey
and they're done that. It's going to take a lot
to impress us. But you also don't want to come
out of your shoes in the first quarter. You have
to you know, you have to save something for the
(22:56):
finish because you can't start the game out at eleven
and then there's nowhere to go. So yeah, I think
you learn over time that you know a measured approach
is good. But you know, when Ohio States scored touchdowns
in the first two plays of the game and Jeremiah
Smith is doing something special, you know, Okay, you're gonna
get really excited about that, and you're gonna get excited
when the other team starts to come back and make
(23:17):
it a game. Well, we all want we want close games.
I have the same agenda. Who do you like. I
like a close game. I like a competitive game that
viewers like, the people who are not just hardcore fans
of the winning team enjoy, because Ohio State fans enjoyed
the hell out of those first two playoff games, so
we did. If you want a competitive game like last night,
not so much. So you know I want. I want
(23:39):
this to be a battle worthy of the occasion, which
last night' semifinal was.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Chris Fowler will be on the call with Herbie tonight
the Goodyear Cotton Bowl. That'll be on ESPN. They started
seven thirty Eastern. Feels like we're underestimating Texas a little
bit and having and I don't know if it's a
home field advantage Ohio State travels, well, I don't know
what kind of sense you'll get of this is a
home ish game for Texas.
Speaker 12 (24:07):
Ryan Dave's always really concerned about the crowd. We were
obviously at Tennessee. Came in and brought a lot of
fans of Ohiowa. Stadium got fired up for Bluck guys.
You know, it felt like the Roman Coliseum or something,
and the visitors brought a lot of people, and Ohio
State responded in that way. At the Rose Bowl, He's going,
what do you think is it's sixty to forty is
I don't know what the crowd is. There's a lot
of greed, there's a lot of scarlet. I mean tonight,
(24:28):
there's going to be a lot of pear orange in there.
I don't think it's going to decide the game, but
I do think. You know, there's an advantage to playing
Texas in Texas. You know, if you're the Longhorns, they
haven't had great success in this building. To be honest
with you, they have won up. They haven't played a
Cotton Bowl game in twenty years. They played a big
twelve championship game in here. But Ohio State Historic has
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actually done better in this building than Texas has. It
doesn't mean a lot when they're on the same field
but you know, Texas, you said underestimated. It's interesting because
I think we've been overestimating the potential of this team,
waiting for the pieces to come together, waiting for Texas
to play a complete sixty minute game in all three phases,
which they have not really come close to doing it.
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For being honest, they played great football for like thirty minutes.
They have a terrible record after halftime in these games.
You know, Sarkisian, he just has to address it. So
they have to weather the start against Ohio State, as
everybody does. They're a good starting team. Texas starts well.
Their defense is the best in the country in the
first court at limiting plays and limiting points. So a
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lot of say, we'll have to try to change that.
But Texas Dan they haven't scored a third quarter touchdown
in like six games. They have an outscored and opponent
in the second half since they beat Oklahoma in the
Red River game here in Dallas. That's a long time.
That's a shocking stat for a really good team. It's
won thirteen games.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
I go back to, you know the fact that we
extended the playoffs to twelve teams when Ryan Day lost
to Michigan. I wonder if there was a four team playoff,
would Ryan Day have kept his job?
Speaker 12 (26:04):
Yeah, I think you would have, But I think it
would have been a really long, miserable off season in
Columbus without the chance to redeem yourself. But we do
have a twelve team playoff, so I think you have
to filter it in. I know Ohio State fans. I've
done some shows and they'll still never forget that game.
And some people would still rather beat Michigan to win
a championship, which is lunacy to me. It makes no sense.
You have to change your thinking in this twelve team
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bracket era. And the fact was the opportunity was there
for and they they're halfway there. They got a long
way to go because if they don't win tonight, then
people will remember the Michigan loss because they didn't win
a Big Ten, they didn't beat Michigan, and they didn't
win a national championship. So they're three goals are hoped
for three. There's a lot on the line for Ohio
State and they responded really well to that urgency so far,
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so we'll see if they and keep doing it.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Handicap the format for the playoffs. Let's say next year
you have total autonomy, changes do you make?
Speaker 12 (27:02):
I think there's tweaks that need to be made to
the regular season leading into the playoff. I think eventually
the conference championship games don't really have a place in this,
especially in the conference is like the Big Ten of
the SEC. Both teams are going to make it every year.
It's an extra layer of games. If you really care
about workload, wear and tear, then you have to look
at that. I mean, these teams have been preparing for
this sixteen to seventeen game season from the start, and
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the smart programs we're doing that the ones that had
the resources and the roster to do that. Texas did it.
Ohio State did it very intentionally, cranking back to tempo,
not playing at piper speed, playing one hundred and fifty
less plays in the regular season to save their players
for this. It's worked really well. But going forward, I
think if you took the conference championship out of it,
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that would help a little bit. I think that you
need to do away with the ad buys for the
four highest ranked conference winners. I think that's a pretty
popular opinion. You see Arizona State Boys the state. They
didn't play badly. I just thought think that that you
deserve a top four seed by winning a conference. I
think you should get in the bracket. I'm all for inclusivity.
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Maybe even give an extra uh, maybe make the American
Conference get an automatic bit. But don't see them based
on act but one through twelve play it out like
they do it college basketball.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
You don't.
Speaker 12 (28:17):
You don't get an automatic seeding for winning in a conference.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Now, I'm going to script this for you. Texas is
down by four late and Arch Manning comes in, comes
off the bench. Okay, you cut away to the Manning family.
Speaker 12 (28:37):
It's hard, they're hard to find.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
They high.
Speaker 12 (28:39):
Well, Cooper's hard to find and they will find them though.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Well you don't. We don't care about Cooper. We care
about Arch and Payton and Eli and then and then
whatever happens from there. They have the ball, they're down
four and here comes Arch Manning savior.
Speaker 12 (28:57):
Yeah, you have one of those stories that you write
a movie that sounds like movie script. What you just
laid out right, what it'd be more movie like? If
he wins the game and the legend is born. There's
a reason why you wes just playing the game though,
And I think, you know, if that happens, if when
yours got hurt, that would be tough. You know, he
is an Ohio State recruit. We know that he spent
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a year there. He is the original nil quarterback at court,
he really is. He was like the curtain flood you
know of free agency, right, that's an old reference. How
many people get that reference? But you know he ushered
in the NIL era and cashed in really well at
two places. Good for him. So obviously facing his former
school and that's a big plotline coming in if he
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gets knocked out of the game and artists to go
in there. I mean, I don't like to see players fail.
It's tough to watch interceptions decide games like it did
last night for Dreuell.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
That's tough.
Speaker 12 (29:51):
You know, it'll haunt him. I don't like to see
kickers choke. I don't like to see quarterbacks make mistakes
that decide games. So in your storybook script, man goes
down in Texas wins the game.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yeah, now you take it from there. Okay, Uh, well,
great to hear from me.
Speaker 12 (30:11):
What would you hear from me?
Speaker 2 (30:13):
No, I said, great to hear from you? Oh yeah,
I thought I figured that. You know, you're busy. You
probably got to work out today. Herbie going to spot
you on the bench.
Speaker 12 (30:22):
Uh, he doesn't get in the gyms much, but I
don't live so much any of the spotter. I'll be
all right, te bows around to spot me. Dude's working
out in the gym like four times a day.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
I see, yeah, oh yeah, yeah, you're not putting up
the same weight.
Speaker 12 (30:38):
No, we are not in the same weight class. Speaking
of busy, you either love Christmas, you're really busy, or
you're just too lazy to take the tree down. I know,
how long is a tree?
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Going to say?
Speaker 12 (30:47):
There?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
All the above, By the way, that I love Christmas,
I don't the guy who takes down the tree his
girlfriend just had a baby, so that he normally takes
down the tree. So I'm gonna blame him.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Yeah, all else fails, I blame it on my staff.
Have fun tonight, thanks for joining us as always, Chris
all right, that's Chris Faller. He'll be with Herbie tonight
seven point thirty in the Cotton Bowl.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
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Speaker 2 (31:24):
We say good morning to the Arizona State head football
coach Kenny Dillingham. Had an unbelievable season, took Texas to
a couple overtimes before being bounced from the postseason. Kenny,
thanks for joining us. How many times have you watched
that game?
Speaker 9 (31:39):
Too many? Way, way too many? Probably ten to twelve times.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
But what are you trying to get out of that
when you watch?
Speaker 9 (31:48):
To be honest, just what tips did they have to
give their players an advantage? And if we ever played
them again, what could we do to give our players
an advantage? I mean nothing more or less than that.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Do you watch alone?
Speaker 9 (32:02):
I do?
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Do you drink beers when you want? I mean, you know,
can you have a little bit of fun when you're
watching this coach?
Speaker 9 (32:11):
Sometimes usually when you win you do that. When you lose,
you try to drown in the sorrows.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
But what is it that you could have done? If
I say, you get one mulligan? What would you have
done differently?
Speaker 9 (32:24):
I would have had not called a timeout on the
fourth and one in overtime. I would have let the
plate eat and it would have converted, and I would
have had a time out to say for the fourth
and twelve when yours checked out of it out into
a cover zero beater.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
I thought you were going to say something about the
targeting no call there.
Speaker 9 (32:49):
I can't control that.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
How painful is that to watch? Because I thought it
was you could have picked a penalty either defenseless receiver
or you could have done targeting, and they gave you
neither of those. What do you see when you see
that play now over and over?
Speaker 9 (33:08):
I think I see the same thing that everybody sees. Uh,
that's just it is what it is. Though that's sport.
There's miss calls, there's calls all there's probably five of
their calls in the game that nobody talks about that
probably could have gone against us. So I don't like
to use those moments as excuses, even though they're the
big moments and they're what everybody should talk about, because
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people only talk about the big plays, the big moments,
the big no calls, the big mate calls, whatever it is.
But there's a lot of things I could have done
better to help our football team.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
If Ryan Day reached out to you today and said, hey,
got any tips for me facing Texas? What would you
tell him.
Speaker 9 (33:46):
Yeah, it's on They're they're very physical on the perimeter there.
They're really good tacklers, and I think that's a great skill.
I think it's one thing you see on tape, but
like when you see it live, the size and the
tackling ability, it's different. Then I would say you have
to have an ability to check when Quen yours checks.
You can't let Quen Oures check Texas and a good
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football plays and not change the look. So you better
create a mechanism defensively to check when he checks.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Okay, explain how you then can counteract when yours is
going to check and change the play. Then what is
your job?
Speaker 9 (34:23):
So you could have like a dual call. So basically
you say we're going to run field blitz and we're
going to run cover four and if the quarterback checks,
then we're going to change from our field blitz call
to automatically changing to cover four. So he made a
check based off of field blitz and he wants the
perfect play versus that we're now going to a complimentary call.
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So having a way, just like offenses have a way
to when you hear kill kill and the quarterbacks say
that he's changing calls based off the look, same thing
for a defense.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
But the fourth and thirteen touch down? Did he check
out of something he did?
Speaker 9 (35:03):
He checked out of a call in which we felt
really good about what we were doing into a call
later on the clock, and you know he didn't unbelievable
check and then they executed really well.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
What did you think of the Notre Dame Penn State game?
Speaker 9 (35:20):
Unbelievable game. I think Marcus Freeman's an absolute stud of
a human being. I've been going versus him since I
was at Florida State when he was the defensive coordinator
and he was a phenomenal coach then, and I think
the way he leads people, I think you can see
his guys play really hard.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Do you have a clock management guy like Marcus Freeman
has a guy right next to him? Do you have
a guy whose only job is to give you clock management?
Speaker 9 (35:44):
I did. It was Matt Butterfield. He just took the
full time special teams coordinator job though elsewhere, so I'm hiring.
So if you ever want to hang it out clock
management guy, let me know.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I like the colors and I like the climate. I
just don't know what it pays not what you mean.
I'll he's the Arizona State head coach Ken Dillingham joining
us on the program. I'm going to ask Bill Kauer
about this. We see this with Dan Campbell other coaches.
They create a culture. It feels like you're creating a culture,
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But I don't know how you go about creating that culture.
Speaker 9 (36:22):
Yeah, I think for us, we pick our players, right,
we recruit our players. So for us, it's recruiting guys
that are like minded. You know, our three pillars of
our program are be a good person. It's very simple
to be a good person, make good decisions. It's very
simple to make good decisions, and then have more fun,
working harder than anybody in the country. So what is
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our culture? We better recruit to people that when they
walk around the building, they have a smile on their face,
they're excited to be here, they crack a joke, you
know there they have personality, Because I really think when
you get people around you that have personality, you wake
up and you may have a down day and that
person is going to lift you higher than you would
have been. And that's culture we're trying to create.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
First time you see Cam skataboo. You your response is
your reaction is what.
Speaker 9 (37:08):
Man had all those yards? You know he's an underdog.
There's a reason for him. And but what he's done
to change his body and to change who he is
just as a physical specimen, he's the strongest he's ever been,
least body bet he's ever had, fastest has ever been.
Mindset's better than it's ever been. He went from a
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really really good football player to somebody who was top
five in the Heisman vote, and I think he should
have been higher.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
But so that confidence of just kind of loading him
up and just say go like he's gonna he knows
he's going to get We talked to him after the
loss and he said, look, I know I'm gonna get hurt.
I know it's going to hurt, but I'm going to
hurt you as well. Like that kind of physicality. And
he said, Marshawn Lynch is sort of you know, one
of his idols or who he runs like.
Speaker 9 (37:57):
Yeah, I think Scott just as that mindset he gets into.
He's the nicest kid off the field, super intelligent. People
think his play style, oh he's crazy. Scott is incredibly intelligent,
high high IQ and for him to flip a switch
into this like no way anybody can stop me mode?
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And does that mean he's always not going to be stopped. No,
Nobody in the history of sports ever been invincible. But
it means he believes it so much that he's going
to make plays that people are like, what just happened.
And every day for the last seven hundred days or whatever,
seven hundred and eighty days I've coached him, he has
done something at practice or in a game that I'm like,
what just happened? That is incredible.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
How often do you go to an opposing team stadium
and people question if you really are the head coach
at Arizona State?
Speaker 9 (38:48):
Oh, the way easier question? How often do I does
that not happen?
Speaker 3 (38:54):
I mean, I look.
Speaker 9 (38:55):
Twelve, so it's you know, when I walk around, it's
just part of it.
Speaker 12 (39:00):
You know.
Speaker 9 (39:00):
I've been young my whole life, though I started coach
at seventeen, so I'm very used to the fact. I
mean I get stopped trying to walk into the field
before before the peach ball. They're like, you need credentials,
go back and get them, And I do it. You know,
at the end of the day, I'm people are doing
their jobs, so people don't really recognize me. I appreciate it,
hopefully I look young. When I'm older, you know what
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I mean, and people will be jealous. But right now
it's just part of it.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
What do you expect to happen tonight between Texas and
Ohio State?
Speaker 9 (39:31):
I haven't watched enough Ohio State to give like a
really really good opinion. I know Texas is going to
be really good on defense. I know they're not going
to give up big plays, So I think the key
to Ohio State, I can you think the key to
the game is how do you stop Ohio State and
one of the best wide receivers in college football in
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a long time. And you can't just double team them
because Ohio State's too good.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
To do that.
Speaker 9 (39:56):
So what are you doing to get the quarterback to
think he's double teamed, move his eyes off of him,
but him really be singled up? And I think that's
one of the hidden things in the game, is the
deception of him being doubled. Can you do that enough
to single him up and get your hats elsewhere? For Texas?
And if they can, you know, I think they're both
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really good football teams.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
By the way, when we had cam on he said
he checked out of that that halfback option that I
think he said, your quarterback said he was banged up,
don't throw me the football, and so he changed the play.
Did you know that?
Speaker 9 (40:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (40:35):
I did.
Speaker 9 (40:36):
I saw it live and in person, baby, and on
fourth than too in the fourth quarter, So that was exciting.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
But he's the.
Speaker 9 (40:46):
Same dude that punted for us last year and checked
out of a punt versus USC and did this and
signaled a wide out to run a slam and threw
it to him for a first down. Same dude that
caught a toss, scrambled backward ninety seven yards, realized he
was going to lose yards and threw the ball away.
His football IQ and his savviness is unbelievable for his
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style of play.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
You strike me as a pregame speech guy.
Speaker 9 (41:11):
Really, yeah, I actually don't give pregame speeches. Our players
give pregame speeches. This is a player run program. Our
players give the pregame. Our players make the decisions. I
am literally a surrogate between the leadership council and the players,
and my job is to help the leadership council make
the best decisions for the football team. But I do
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not run the show here. Our players run the show.
I just helped them get to the best decisions.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
In my opinion, Well, like, is there a cut off
point of what they are allowed to do? And say
like do they have total autonomy here?
Speaker 9 (41:50):
I mean, if they're going to do something that is bad,
I'm going to say no, we're not doing that, you know.
But if I say, do you guys think we should do.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
This or this?
Speaker 9 (41:59):
And I give them options and they vote, I'm doing
what they vote for. If they say, hey, we need
a Monday off, we're tired, and I say, you guys
know what the repercussions of this are, right, means Tuesday
has to be this. I you guys have to elevate
Tuesday to another level and they say yes, I'm like, okay,
Monday's off.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
I firmly believe.
Speaker 9 (42:18):
In extreme ownership, especially in today's day and age, and
to get a team buy in, you need team commitment,
team ownership, and I think that was one thing our
leadership council, the decisions they made, and they could push
the team to further, my opinion, further than we thought
we could go. Or people thought we could go because
there was such buy in, because it was team decisions,
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not a head coach saying we're going to go out
in practice for two hours and thirty minutes today. In November,
it was the leadership council saying, Hey, we talked to coach.
This is why we need to practice for two hours
and thirty minutes today.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Wait, when how did you learn this?
Speaker 9 (42:56):
I just believe in trusting people. I mean I leave
I mean I shouldn't say this, but I leave my
car unlocked, like my wife hates it. I just believe
in people. I truly believe that if you try to,
if you give people the keys, if you truly empower people,
and if you get the right people around you and
you trust them and you believe in them right and
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you empower them, they're gonna be better versus than themselves.
And that empowerment is going to take you as a
unit higher than you could ever go by me saying
run one hundred yards.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Okay, if your car is gone by the end of
the day, do not blame me.
Speaker 9 (43:32):
I'm gonna lock it now. I'm going to have to
change my entire theory on not locking my car now
because I just exposed that.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Congratulations on all this success. We appreciate you.
Speaker 9 (43:44):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Thank you. Coach coach Kenny Dillingham Arizona State second season
and they were three and nine first season, eleven to
three in season two. I could buy into that. Did
we just get a new favorite coach? I feel like
we might have. He's there, let's go. I thought that
was great.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
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Speaker 2 (44:12):
Hall of Fame head coach Bill cower So part of
NFL Today on CBS Studio. And look who showed up early,
I coach.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I found Waldough.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Yeah. I told you I was going to put it.
Put it up there and we made room there you go.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
I appreciate that, I said, stage right, it's good.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Does it look like you are you? Did you have
to approve?
Speaker 3 (44:40):
I have I have multiple bobbleheads. I had one with
a gold jacket on, another one with a headset. I
think this one with a headset. I had to get
the one that's just the coach. You just Hall of fame,
doesn't it doesn't deserve to be on that desk. I'm
a regular guy, like the policeman, like everybody else. I'm
not just the old football coach right next to the
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San Antonio traffic Polease, guy.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Are you did you grow up hating Penn State?
Speaker 3 (45:08):
Go out when I didn't offer me a scholarship? So
but my brother went there?
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Okay, yeah, Because I'm watching the game last night, I'm like,
I think your dad was at Duquane, like you feel
like you were a pit guy.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
Oh. I was on a recruiting trip up there, and
they never offered me a scholarship. And ironically enough, my
freshman year at NC State, I played as a freshman
against them, and before the game, I pulled out the
leather that says they didn't think I was big enough
to play college Division one football. I said, well, we'll
find out today, won't we.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
Did you model your game after anybody?
Speaker 9 (45:49):
No?
Speaker 3 (45:49):
You know I grew up. I grew up watching Jack Lambert.
I mean this. I loved him. I didn't do it,
but I loved Hacksaw Reynolds w And he used to
chop his steet in place before the ball was snapped.
Just guys, I mean this people had their own personalities, right,
and that's I just I like Jack was my guy,
Dick Buckus was my guy, and Ray NITCHKEI were my guys.
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Those were the three guys I looked at.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
We talk about the Lions and Dan Campbell and creating
culture and it's a weird word. When you create culture?
Do you know how to create culture?
Speaker 3 (46:21):
You know? I think culture is something that is manifested.
I think it takes time. It's creating a building where
you'd like to think that you walk in there. There's
a selflessness about it. There's also a sense of purpose
about it. There's a trust that exists, and you're able
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to kind of give ownership to the players to oversee
the locker room. And I think that's when you know
you've gotten to that level. But the culture is about
being real, being transparent, about holding people accountable, and you're
in there for one purpose. When you walk in, their leader,
you go at the door and we're we're all in
this thing together.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
When did the hatred for the Ravens start? Or well
both ways here?
Speaker 3 (47:10):
Yeah, I mean I when they moved from Cleveland to Baltimore,
I just called them the Browns. I mean they can
call themselves the Ravens, but I call them the Browns
and are the same team that we're up the turnpike.
We're just gonna go We're going to go east instead
of going north. But there's still the same team we
don't like. There's still the same thing we take very
personal with and so and then it probably happened right
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around that two thousand era when ray Lewis came in
and start doing the dance they had to and then
we were going back and forth with the division at
that time, and I think that's the real robberies are
kind of bridgs, you know what, Dan, It's like when
you have when you are both fighting for that division
and you find yourselves on top. And then we were
both kind of identically built. It was about kind of
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a run the football, play defense, I pose yourself on
the other team, and we have kind of all to
We took pride in that physicality part of the game,
and I think the early two thousands that was absolutely
identified and that's what the game was all about.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
You don't strike me as a coach who would allow
as players to be dancing like ray Lewis did to
open up a game.
Speaker 3 (48:14):
Well, we didn't dance, but we talked a lot. I
think we had a lot of guys that'd like to
get the last word in Joey Porter was never never
was lost for words.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
On the field, but you were okay with that.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
Yeah, I wanted edgy players. I didn't mind having edgy players,
I know. I always said, my job as a coach
is for you to walk that line of being that
almost arrogant, almost like supreme. I feel you're the best
person on that field, and when you cross the line,
my job is to pull you back. Where do you
cross the line when you disrespect the game, You disrespect
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the opponent, or you disrespect a teammate, and that's dancing
or doing something that's in someone's face. So I said,
just as long as you respect the game, that line.
And sometimes I felt a guy, we're almost too safe,
too cautious, didn't want to make a mistake, And I said,
if if I can't, if I don't pull you back periodically,
you're not walking the line close enough. So I kind
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of encouraged them to get to be a little bit
of a swagger when he walked on that field.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
Hall of Famer Bill Kauer, of course, NFL today, CBS
studio analysts, did you ever come close to wanting to
go after another coach? Punch a coach, not.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
Punch of coach. But I think there's obviously the clip
of me with Chris Hudson when he picked up the
block field goal of dont Jacksonville walking down the sideline,
and I kind of just was gonna do one of those.
But I blamed I be dan. I blame that on
the ghost of Woody Hayes. And it was actually the
very same sideline, the very same part of the field
where he punched Charlie Bowman from Clemson. So I think
(49:49):
I think that was just that was the Woody Hayes
that came out of. It was the same field, same
part of the fields. It's ironic if you go back
and someone pulling that out to me and I said, well,
that answers it. That couldn't have been me doing that.
But no, I'm you know, I never know. You know,
I respected the game and I love to compete. I
didn't like losing, but never really took it that personally.
(50:11):
If I took a personally, I took it upon myself
that we didn't do enough to win the game.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
If I gave you the Lions or the field in
the NFC, who would you take?
Speaker 3 (50:24):
Well, right now, I would say the Lions, and I
say that for this reason. They are so battle tested
right now. They are such a refresh of Dan Campbell.
Everyone keeps talking about what they don't have, and he
just keeps using that for fuel to fuel this team.
Aaron Glenn has done a vantaity job. Ben Johnson I
think is one of the best offensive coordinators in the league.
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And they're getting a little bit healthy right now, so
they get a bye week to get healthy. You're playing
at home in Detroit. They got to win two games.
I just don't know for as a team there. You
saw what they did against Minnesota. They and it's probably
their biggest robbery if you think about that. Tam the
only team that I think that really can go in
there or the Philadelphi Eagles. I think the Philadelphi Eagles
has what it takes because they can run the football,
(51:06):
they can play defense right now, and they got really
good offensive line. And if you know, again, Jalen Hurt
comes back, Supt's come back this week. I think that's
the one team to me that I think can battle them.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
If I gave you the Chiefs of the field in
the AFC.
Speaker 3 (51:23):
Well, we've been picking against the Chiefs all season long.
We keep waiting for the left to put the shoot
to drop on that team. But you know, again, they're
playing at home, they're getting healthy. I still look at
Baltimore and Buffalo as two teams. Then they're gonna meet
probably in the divisional round and go there. I think
both those teams kind of like the Thorn, and both
of those teams has been the Kansas City Chiefs. So
(51:44):
I think either one of those two teams are gonna
have a chance to go into the Kansas City with
a little bit of a chip on their shoulders. So
I you know, again, it's hard to pick against them,
but I think there's a little bit. There's a few
more teams in the AFC I think that can challenge
it Chiefs, and there are in the NFC that can
challenge the Lions.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
What's it like to be a head coach when you
want your assistance, your offensive or defensive coordinators to be
able to interview for a head coaching job. And I
know this probably didn't go on when you were coaching,
but now, I mean imagine you're Dan Campbell and you're
probably losing both of your coordinators, but he's still there
as the head coach while they're interviewing for other jobs.
Speaker 3 (52:25):
Yeah, I think the first week is not a problem.
I think we have the week off. I think it's
not a problem with that. And I think Number one,
I always looked at as a fender of my cap.
You know, I had eight guys that went on to
become head coaches from my staff, and I always looked
at that as you know, I was proud of that.
I'm very, very proud that they were able to move
on from us and be able to go to the
next level. So I don't think I think it's a
(52:47):
problem is when they're interviewing during the course of the game,
they're having that week. I don't think I would allow
that because to me, the attention should be on that game,
because that game is also going to be a reflection
on your record and on our record, and it's an opportunity.
In a playoffs, it's this is not best of three,
so it's single elimination. And to me, when you have
the week of the game, that focus is on the
week of the game. But the bye week, I get it.
(53:08):
I understand it because people like to move fast in
our league, and I think the boy line and I
said this, I told this to dan Is. I said,
the one thing you have success And I learned this
very early. You better have a backup plan, a backup
plan to they're having. Your coordinators are going to get
plucked to go to become a head coaches, which is
a feather in your cap. It's nothing to look negatively about.
But now be able to maybe work with in house
(53:29):
and be able to promote in house if you can
do it. And that's the ideal that atmosphere. You talking
about culture, how about a great culture where you know
if you stay right there that you may have a
chance to advance in your own field of employee and
actually made a chance to become a head coach. So
I think Key has a backup plan to both those things,
and I think most coaches do, but I always encourage them. Then,
when you have success, the first thing you better do
(53:51):
is have a backup plan for your assistant coaches.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
You got a story about Rothlessburger frustrating you, Well, did
he always listen to you when you called in plays?
Speaker 3 (54:04):
Well, he would do one of these things like he
said no, no, he was say that. He would say
it's not working. I said, well, there are communications I work,
and they go, I think it is. I go, well,
let's check his home. He gets out and we grabbed that.
Just grab his helmet. One time, we grabbed his helmet.
They go, coaches working, fine, he goes. It just came
back off. I don't know. That's not I go, that
(54:25):
is not a true statement. Then I know it. I
said it's not. You can't. I can't hear it. You're
calling plays. So the interesting question, now, I'm going to
sit down. I always wonder about this, and I wanted
to talk to Sean McDermott and I'm going to ask him.
I sit down with him later on today. Matter of fact,
and when Josh Allen breaks the pocket, it was almost
(54:45):
like when Ben used to break the pocket. It was like,
oh no, here we go again. It's street ball. I
don't know what's going to happen. It's kind of buckle
your seatbelt and it's just like, oh, oh my god,
here he goes again. Just don't be careless, don't be reckless,
and big players will happen. And Troy Paula Malou. He's
supposed to be playing half the field. I see him
start to creep up to the line of scrimmers. They're going,
(55:06):
is he gonna drop or not? I don't even know.
Like so, I so you wonder what goes through your stomach.
But I only always say great players, Troy Paula Malou,
Ben Roethlisberger, you can't harness greatness, and sometimes you want
that to become an unbridled feeling that they have on
that field where they can take over a game, and
most of the times they do. Now, sometimes you're gonna
(55:27):
live with the mistakes that they have and the choices
that they make. But man, you want these guys on
your team, and you know through the course of time
that their decision making is going to be the right thing.
But you know what, in the meantime, though, you sit there,
your stomach's turned. You're like a fan, like, oh boy,
here we go again. I don't know it's gonna happen.
Like that was a great play, Yeah, sure was. So
(55:48):
you kind of just go do you turn into a
fan watching this? Go oh, this will be interesting to
see what happens here. He's running to the right, throwing
it back to the left and you know, it's this okay,
you know, and sometimes those are the plays that you
know that that win championion ships and win games. And
sometimes it's they're not the things they make up, and
it's the players that you entrust with the system that
they kind of take it to another level.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
Safe Travels. Thanks for the bibblehead. We appreciate it. Yes,
thank you, coach.
Speaker 3 (56:12):
Thanks Dan. Always pleasure to be on
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We did it. We made it to a Friday. It's
our one. It's a meat Friday, but it's a little
seafood Friday as well. Oysters from Doug in North Carolina,
the Carolina Gold Oysters, reverse seared ribbies, crabcakes, bacon wrapped scallops.
Has it better than we do?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
No body?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Wow. I know morale is high, so is the grocery
bill that I'm paying for. But thank you to Doug
in North Carolina. He sent three hundred oysters yesterday, so
the Carolina Gold oysters. Todd. I said to Toddy, have
you ever had an oyster? He goes, yeah, yeah, don't
(00:48):
they have like a pearl in him? And I go, no, no,
not the ones you're going to be eating. You've I
don't think you've ever. I think you've had stuffed clams.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Yes, I think I've a under types of stupred.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
For some reason, I thought it was that little pearl thing,
one of those little white circles counts as a royal oyster.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
But I guess I don't even know what a royal
oyster is.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Then I don't think that would be good to eat.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Probably not, it would be dangerous, okay, but I'm up
for trying it out.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
And so's all that. Well, they're raw, just to let
you know. These aren't cooked.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
But there's the scallops and there's the ribby, and there's
all kinds of other stuff going on.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Too with them. Yes, yes, grabcakes? All right, all right?
Eight seven seven three DP show. If you'd like to
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It's Texas and Ohio State. We will talk to the
Arizona head football coach, Kenny Dillingham a little later on.
Also Bill Cower will join us. It'll be the Steeler
(01:40):
head coach, CBS Sports Hall of Famer a little bit
later on as well. The most must win game of
the weekend, we'll have that for you coming up. But
Notre Dame comes back to beat Penn State twenty seven
to twenty four. And it was such a weird game
when you think about it, the back and forth with
this Penn State scores the first ten Notre Dame, the
next seventeen, Penn State, the next four team and then
(02:03):
Notre Dame scores the final ten points. There's a lot
of different directions to go in. I think if you're
a Penn State fan, you've been down this road before,
certainly with your head coach. James Franklin doesn't do well
in games against top ten opponents. In fact, he's three
and eleven facing a top ten team when his team
(02:24):
was also ranked in the top ten. That's the worst
record by any active coach with at least ten such games.
But give credit to Marcus Freeman Notre Dame. At one
point I text the dan Nets and I said, I
don't know if they're going to win, but Penn State's
a better team than Notre Dame. They had more explosive
(02:45):
players have due Carter is awesome. I watched him against USC.
I've watched him twice. Like a true game. Now, you
can watch highlights and you can make somebody really good
or really bad in a highlight. But he is a
disruptor and he wasn't one hundred percent. And we kept thinking, Okay,
(03:05):
they got a running attack, that offensive line was great,
and I was just waiting for Drew Aller to be
who I guess we thought he was. That he was
not going to make mistakes, spat it around. The wide
receivers for Penn State didn't have a reception. That's really
really hard to do. But Notre Dame hung in there.
(03:28):
You know, when Riley Leonard got knocked down, I thought
he had a concussion. And then you have the backup
quarterback who comes in and leads them down to a
field goal, going six per seven in that drive, and
I thought that's more than three points because I didn't
know if Riley Leonard was going to be able to
come back. It in play. The backup quarterback who's been
(03:51):
there for I don't know, two or three years, waiting
his turn while they bring in all these transfers and
they get a field goal, and it just felt like
it was ten to three, but it felt like it
was ten to ten. Penn State looked like they should
have been up by thirteen, fourteen points. I thought they
were that good, but they just didn't make a big
(04:12):
play when they needed to. And then you had the
interception late in the game that led to the game
winning field goal. Here's Marcus Freeman on his team last night.
Speaker 6 (04:24):
In the second half, he made some Jeremiah Love plays,
and you know when it speaks volumes to the heart
he has. He gave everything he had to this place.
He did not have to play today, and you know
nobody would have bet it an I, but he put
team in front of himself and how he felt. And
we got a whole bunch of guys like that in
the locker room, and that's why we're in this position.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Here is the call Notre Dame Radio Network with the
game winning field goal by Mitch Jeter. Goot snap good hold,
kick on its way and.
Speaker 7 (04:56):
The kick is good.
Speaker 8 (05:00):
It's Jeter who's seventh second.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Left gives the.
Speaker 9 (05:04):
Irish hold twenty seven twenty four Notre Dame.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
He's on the precipice. Yes, and they've also done maybe
the impossible. They're kind of likable. Whether you know I
grew up a Notre Dame fan, but if you're not
a Notre Dame fan, like I don't think you go, well,
I hate Marcus Freeman Like Marcus Freeman's a guy I'd
want to play for. And you can get that. Remember
(05:30):
when he got the head coaching job, when Brian Kelly left,
and all of a sudden he walks into the room,
into the locker room, and his players erupted like it
was such a cool moment. Now, granted, you know some
of those players aren't there anymore, but that feeling is
still there. And then they made the right place when
they needed to. And you know, right before Drew Alert
(05:55):
throws that interception, Greg McElroy said, hey, you know he
takes care of the football until he didn't. Here is
the quarterback for Penn State on that turnover.
Speaker 10 (06:06):
Yeah, I mean I was going through my progression, got
to the backside, and honestly, I was just trying to
dirt it at his feet. But just I should have
just thrown it a way when I felt the first
two progressions not open, just because of the situation we
were in. But I was just trying to dirt it
out Amari's feet. So but just did to execute what I.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Was trying to do, and he was hit when he
threw it. And it's one of those plays that you
still have two timeouts left, little less than a minute
to go, and you know the fact that you have
two timeouts and you have a little bit of time
on the clock, that's why you're not going to play
for overtime. You're not going to you know, you're trying
to do something and I think that they got a
(06:47):
little too aggressive there instead of throwing the ball away obviously,
but for Notre Dame. Now they wait for the winner
of tonight's game with Ohio State and Texas. By the way,
Ohio State is the favor to win the national title.
Bennett's Notre Dame and Texas. Ohio State is a six
point favorite coming up tonight, Pole question Today's Seaton. By
(07:09):
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Speaker 11 (07:23):
That's Friday Dan. You know what that means. That means well,
Friday Fetter. Then we do nobody the to dub has okay.
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a few of them here.
Speaker 11 (07:51):
I don't know if he can call them up right away,
but he has one here that was interesting. Would you
rather be today, James Franklin or Brian Kelly?
Speaker 12 (08:00):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Wow, Wow, voters take your place.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Dang, where did that come from?
Speaker 4 (08:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
One's working on an accent, one's gonna, you know, playing
for a national title.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Uh well, no, he's not playing for a national type. Well,
a lot of.
Speaker 11 (08:21):
People were pointing out, let's say that Brian Kelly left
Notre Dame because he wanted to go to a place
where he could win a national title. That is true,
and thus far, well, he struggled to be anywhere close
to that. I would rather be Brian Kelly today. I
would rather be Brian Kelly because once again this this
(08:46):
stays with James Franklin.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
He can't win. He doesn't win now, is it all
on him? No? But you know it still comes back
to you. It's on your one loss record. It's not
on Drew Awler's one lost record as much as it
is James Franklin. And it's not a coincidence. He just
doesn't win when his team is ranked in the top ten.
(09:09):
He doesn't beat top ten opponents. Yeah.
Speaker 11 (09:13):
So when you have like this, that's like, you know,
wide receivers had like zero touches, zero yards, zero touchdowns. Yeah,
you put that more on the head coach for not
finding a way to get his receivers of the ball.
Then you do the quarterback who has to get it there? Well,
I would say both yeah, yeah, I would say obviously
shared responsibility, but.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
I'd put it on the offensive coordinator. Yeah, and James Franklin, Like,
you want to put your players in a position to succeed,
and so that's why you have coaches. They need to
be coached to be put in positions to succeed. It's
really hard to not have a reception if you your
Penn State wide receivers and nobody has a reception. And
(09:57):
I still watching that first half, I kept thinking, boy,
they better score points and you got a great tight end.
It just felt like all else fails go to Warren.
They had a running game, you had two running backs,
offensive line, you had a defensive player might have been
the best player on the field. Like it was all there.
(10:19):
It matched up for you. I mean, Riley Leonard played
well in the second half through for one hundred and
sixty yards, but you're still watching, and I just thought
Penn State should be dominating, like physically dominating this game.
And then it's it's almost like Notre Dame got that
confidence boost. Then Ridley Leonard comes back and they kind
(10:39):
of it's almost like when you face Mike Tyson, not
that Penn State is Mike Tyson, but you have to
survive the first two rounds and then once you do,
then you gain confidence. And it's like Notre Dame was
getting hit and then they're like, all right, we're hanging
in here, hanging in here, and then all of a sudden,
they didn't get knocked down, they didn't get knocked out,
(11:03):
and I think that's a testament to them, and they
made some big plays when they needed to. Would anybody
want to be James Franklin over Brian Kelly today?
Speaker 7 (11:13):
Yes, Paul today. It's painful, but you're close. You're not
off the map right now. LSU with all that talent,
not being in the playoff picture is more embarrassing. Okay,
By the way, people in college football like the James
Franklin nickname small game James wow.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
D Okay, set a big game James. Okay, dang, Yes, Ton.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
I would agree with Pauli that you got it to
the final four.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
I know you didn't get over the hump just yet,
but you're extremely relevant and something to build on, and.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
They were one of the last four teams. So I'd
rather be James.
Speaker 11 (11:46):
Frank Okay, Seaton, right, I think you want to be
playing at the bare minimum even if you're even if
you are, say, small game, James, you at least got
to the big game.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
To not be able to you know, you lost it,
But yeah, I guess I don't want that reputation if
I can't win a big game and it's there, and
we thought that going into I just thought, you know what,
somehow Someway Notre Dame wins this game, even though I
(12:18):
thought Penn State was far and away the better team,
certainly in that first half. Yes, Marvin, Then what's Brian
Kelly's reputation? Maybe the guy who left Notre Dame to
try to win titles and then Notre Dame won a
national title?
Speaker 13 (12:34):
Forgive me Brian. Wait wait, wait, no, that's not nice
because he hadn't even won all of his games.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
You no, yes, it's still early, but Marcus Freeman did
the impossible. He made Notre Dame likable at least. Maybe
I'm overstating this, but I just get the feeling that
people watch Notre Dame and they're like, okay, all right,
you know kind of spunky here.
Speaker 11 (12:55):
Yes, yes, Brian Kelly got to the National Championship game,
and Notre Dame's still hasn't gotten the stink off of
them yet.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
From that game.
Speaker 11 (13:03):
They got destroyed us. They got absolutely destroyed by Alabama.
That was his one moment of let's see what happens
when you get the big game.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
He at least got to the big game.
Speaker 11 (13:16):
Notre Dame still isn't taken seriously as a football program
because of that one game.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
And I'm a Notre Dame fan, and that one game
was so bad. That's when you realized that there was
a difference between the SEC and everybody else, or you
were reminded that there's a big difference because you watched.
When you watch Notre Dame, it's like and I always
thought maybe their cleats are heavier than everybody, and like
they always seemed slower when they were facing Alabama because
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Alabama came in. It's like uh, you guys are supposed
to be good. They blew them out. It's a different
Notre Dame team. You know, it's not a finesse team.
You know, they had to kind of sec that lineup
a little bit.
Speaker 13 (13:59):
Yes, Marvin, wait, hold on, Notre Dame got molly wopped
by Clemson also in the final four. That maybe the
Cotton Bowl. Okay, they got Look it's probably thirty three
to three.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yeah, but that was a while ago, two eighteen. That's
that's an internity.
Speaker 11 (14:14):
It's definitely way more recent than the example I gave.
Correct was twenty thirteen, So correct.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I think I'd still rather be Brian Kelly than I
would James Franklin today. But that's a great poll question.
You know, I'll ask Chris Fowler that dh and he
just canceled. Yeah. Yeah, we normally don't have you know,
sometimes you get people say, hey, uh, you know, he'll
(14:42):
do the interview, but not Chris. But you know we'll
have gas Lit said, but you can't ask about and
normally it's the question I wasn't going to ask that
they bring up to me that I go, oh, maybe
I should ask that question.
Speaker 7 (14:53):
Yeah, Paulie, I'm not going to give names, but a
major music artist was coming in studio, and the last
thing we heard from the pub is a was don't
ask about what happened in Vegas last week. We had
no idea until we looked it up and we're like, okay.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Oh dang, yeah, I'm like, I want to ask that.
So anything interesting what goes on in Vegas? Stas he
was thinking was in Vegas? It was really a lot
of fun. Ever been there?
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Yes, that's actually happened a number of times.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Don't ask him what the cops founded his trunk. He
doesn't want to get it.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Talk about, okay, what they found in his trunk. Yeah.
I remember right before we were gonna have Barry Bonds
on and we were told this is they're going to
hand him the phone, and he was on and he
was I think he was promoting a new personality. And
maybe it was KFC or maybe it was his home
(15:48):
security uh company. I don't know what it was. But
they're like, all right, Barry's joining us from spring training,
and hey, before if we're not talking about stairs there
any of that stuff, and you know, blah blah blah bah,
here's bar I go wait on, hold on here I
have to I have to do and I can't have
bonds on and then go, hey, so what do you
(16:12):
attribute your growth to? Now thirty seconds, you're gonna give
me ground rules. I'm like, no, tell Dan no baseball questions.
It's cream clear.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
People going to jail for him. We we're not getting to.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
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Speaker 2 (17:39):
Chris Fowler, he'll be on the call. It's the Cotton
Bowl coming up tonight, Texas, Ohio State Herbie will be there,
Holly row Laura Rutledge festivities on the mother Ship starting
at seven point thirty Eastern. He'll also be on the
call for the National Title game. Here's your question, Chris. Oh,
by the way, it's a good thing they're not playing
the game outdoors. Look outside there in Dallas, wintrey.
Speaker 12 (18:04):
We had like a nice wintry mix. It was snow
that became hail, sleep, rain, yesterday. It's wild. I mean, yeah,
it gets frigid also, like very cold and windy. The
at and T is right behind me here out that window.
It's hard to see, but it's got so in the
top of it, and it's nice and warm even in
cold weather. Some stadiums are cold when it's cold outside
(18:26):
because they don't have heat in them, and this one
is nice and toasty, So good setting.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
All right, here's the question I'll start the conversation with,
would you rather be James Franklin this morning or Brian Kelly.
Speaker 12 (18:42):
Oh Man, I got to pick.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (18:44):
I mean, I think James Franklin's team. It was a
it was a good run. I mean, it's a heartbreaking
way to lose the game. Some of those plays that
decide it will haunt probably him and his team for
a while. But I think there's a lot to be
proud of what Penn State did and Battle of the End,
and I don't think they have anything to really be
embarrassed about it at Penn State. If you're James Franklin,
certainly you know, I think You've answered some questions. Some remain,
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But I think it was a really good year of
Penn State.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
But When we talk about James Franklin, it's about his
record against top ten teams. I mean, that's really what
his resume seems to be about. Is that fabite?
Speaker 12 (19:21):
Well, it's whatever the media decides it's about. I mean,
that's part of it. You are, when you're a program
at Penn State, you were expected to compete with and
beat the best your share of the time. Most of
those losses are to Ohio State, you know, And I
was wondering if that was going to be the narrative
at Penn State. One last night, Ohio State wins tonight,
another rematch in an all Big ten game and in
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a series that obviously Ohio States dominated, and I called
the last time Penn State beat them was a block
field goal run back by Grand Haley on a whiteout night.
It's been since then. So we're not going to get
that narrative. And I think that's okay because I don't
know how much national belief there would be the Penn
State could get over the hump against the red hot
Buckeye seen if that's what happened. So we don't have
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that narrative, but I you know, again, yeah, he's gonna
have to get better they get the beat Ohio State
once in a while, but I don't. I don't think
that's sorely laughing. I gotta be honesty. I just don't
you know, you want to look at Ohio State against
SEC teams who are ranked in the top five. I
spin this back because Buckeye fans know that James Franklin's
stats is okay, Well, if that's relevant, Is it relevant
that Ohio State's won seven and one all time against
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SEC top five teams, which Texas is No, I don't
think so at all. So you can you can spin
stats any way you want. I mean, would you have
loved the game, won the game?
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Yes?
Speaker 12 (20:38):
Could they have? Should they have?
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Maybe?
Speaker 12 (20:40):
But I don't think that that that's on James Franklin
for sure.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Do you ever have announcer envy when you're watching a game?
Of course, ye, all the time.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Man.
Speaker 12 (20:52):
I mean I would not have minded calling the Orange Bowl.
I live in Miami. For one thing, it is not
wintry in Miami. I really had expectations for that game
last night that unfolded. I don't know who's going to win,
but I was a Notre Dame practice this week. I
saw the Irish. I a forecast the kind of game
we got. It was going to be three points either way.
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It's going to come out of the last possession. I
don't mind calling games coming out of the last possession.
I would love for this game tonight not to be
a first round knockout. But listen, Dan, I mean, like,
who am I to whine of at anything? This is
our twenty third playoff game the Kirk and I have
had the privilege to call tonight. That's a big number
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going back to the first one in twenty fourteen. So
I don't let my envy get in the way of
having a good time calling whatever I'm calling. But yeah,
that's a hell of a game to call last night.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
But when you're calling a game like this, I know
they're supposed to be like it's just another game, but
it's not just another game. But then you have to
stay in your comfort zone. Do you ever have that
kind of conflicting Am I adding too much or not enough?
Am I excited? Am I favoring somebody or not realizing it?
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Like?
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Do you process any of that while you're getting ready
or while you're doing it?
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Yeah? You do.
Speaker 12 (22:11):
I don't think I have to worry about favoring somebody,
because if you honestly don't care about the outcome and
separate yourself from that, then you don't have to worry
about it. And it's all in the ear of a
holder anyway. You know, the fans listening, you're gonna think, oh,
he loves the other team, Toby, so look's listen to
the call and the other side say it's the same thing.
I mean, you know, you get excited when when good
things happen on the field, and I don't even think
about who's in the uniform that's doing it. I think
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that you do a lot of these games, you want
to strike the balance between certainly not being jaded because
you've done a lot of big games and I don't
think we ever come across as being jaded or hey
and they're done that. It's going to take a lot
to impress us. But you also don't want to come
out of your shoes in the first quarter. You have
to you know, you have to save something for the
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finish because you can't start the game out at eleven
and then there's nowhere to go. So yeah, I think
you learn over time that you know a measured approach
is good. But you know, when Ohio States scored touchdowns
in the first two plays of the game and Jeremiah
Smith is doing something special, you know, Okay, you're gonna
get really excited about that, and you're gonna get excited
when the other team starts to come back and make
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it a game. Well, we all want we want close games.
I have the same agenda. Who do you like. I
like a close game. I like a competitive game that
viewers like, the people who are not just hardcore fans
of the winning team enjoy, because Ohio State fans enjoyed
the hell out of those first two playoff games, so
we did. If you want a competitive game like last night,
not so much. So you know I want. I want
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this to be a battle worthy of the occasion, which
last night' semifinal was.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Chris Fowler will be on the call with Herbie tonight
the Goodyear Cotton Bowl. That'll be on ESPN. They started
seven thirty Eastern. Feels like we're underestimating Texas a little
bit and having and I don't know if it's a
home field advantage Ohio State travels, well, I don't know
what kind of sense you'll get of this is a
home ish game for Texas.
Speaker 12 (24:07):
Ryan Dave's always really concerned about the crowd. We were
obviously at Tennessee. Came in and brought a lot of
fans of Ohiowa. Stadium got fired up for Bluck guys.
You know, it felt like the Roman Coliseum or something,
and the visitors brought a lot of people, and Ohio
State responded in that way. At the Rose Bowl, He's going,
what do you think is it's sixty to forty is
I don't know what the crowd is. There's a lot
of greed, there's a lot of scarlet. I mean tonight,
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there's going to be a lot of pear orange in there.
I don't think it's going to decide the game, but
I do think. You know, there's an advantage to playing
Texas in Texas. You know, if you're the Longhorns, they
haven't had great success in this building. To be honest
with you, they have won up. They haven't played a
Cotton Bowl game in twenty years. They played a big
twelve championship game in here. But Ohio State Historic has
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actually done better in this building than Texas has. It
doesn't mean a lot when they're on the same field
but you know, Texas, you said underestimated. It's interesting because
I think we've been overestimating the potential of this team,
waiting for the pieces to come together, waiting for Texas
to play a complete sixty minute game in all three phases,
which they have not really come close to doing it.
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For being honest, they played great football for like thirty minutes.
They have a terrible record after halftime in these games.
You know, Sarkisian, he just has to address it. So
they have to weather the start against Ohio State, as
everybody does. They're a good starting team. Texas starts well.
Their defense is the best in the country in the
first court at limiting plays and limiting points. So a
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lot of say, we'll have to try to change that.
But Texas Dan they haven't scored a third quarter touchdown
in like six games. They have an outscored and opponent
in the second half since they beat Oklahoma in the
Red River game here in Dallas. That's a long time.
That's a shocking stat for a really good team. It's
won thirteen games.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
I go back to, you know the fact that we
extended the playoffs to twelve teams when Ryan Day lost
to Michigan. I wonder if there was a four team playoff,
would Ryan Day have kept his job?
Speaker 12 (26:04):
Yeah, I think you would have, But I think it
would have been a really long, miserable off season in
Columbus without the chance to redeem yourself. But we do
have a twelve team playoff, so I think you have
to filter it in. I know Ohio State fans. I've
done some shows and they'll still never forget that game.
And some people would still rather beat Michigan to win
a championship, which is lunacy to me. It makes no sense.
You have to change your thinking in this twelve team
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bracket era. And the fact was the opportunity was there
for and they they're halfway there. They got a long
way to go because if they don't win tonight, then
people will remember the Michigan loss because they didn't win
a Big Ten, they didn't beat Michigan, and they didn't
win a national championship. So they're three goals are hoped
for three. There's a lot on the line for Ohio
State and they responded really well to that urgency so far,
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so we'll see if they and keep doing it.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Handicap the format for the playoffs. Let's say next year
you have total autonomy, changes do you make?
Speaker 12 (27:02):
I think there's tweaks that need to be made to
the regular season leading into the playoff. I think eventually
the conference championship games don't really have a place in this,
especially in the conference is like the Big Ten of
the SEC. Both teams are going to make it every year.
It's an extra layer of games. If you really care
about workload, wear and tear, then you have to look
at that. I mean, these teams have been preparing for
this sixteen to seventeen game season from the start, and
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the smart programs we're doing that the ones that had
the resources and the roster to do that. Texas did it.
Ohio State did it very intentionally, cranking back to tempo,
not playing at piper speed, playing one hundred and fifty
less plays in the regular season to save their players
for this. It's worked really well. But going forward, I
think if you took the conference championship out of it,
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that would help a little bit. I think that you
need to do away with the ad buys for the
four highest ranked conference winners. I think that's a pretty
popular opinion. You see Arizona State Boys the state. They
didn't play badly. I just thought think that that you
deserve a top four seed by winning a conference. I
think you should get in the bracket. I'm all for inclusivity.
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Maybe even give an extra uh, maybe make the American
Conference get an automatic bit. But don't see them based
on act but one through twelve play it out like
they do it college basketball.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
You don't.
Speaker 12 (28:17):
You don't get an automatic seeding for winning in a conference.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Now, I'm going to script this for you. Texas is
down by four late and Arch Manning comes in, comes
off the bench. Okay, you cut away to the Manning family.
Speaker 12 (28:37):
It's hard, they're hard to find.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
They high.
Speaker 12 (28:39):
Well, Cooper's hard to find and they will find them though.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Well you don't. We don't care about Cooper. We care
about Arch and Payton and Eli and then and then
whatever happens from there. They have the ball, they're down
four and here comes Arch Manning savior.
Speaker 12 (28:57):
Yeah, you have one of those stories that you write
a movie that sounds like movie script. What you just
laid out right, what it'd be more movie like? If
he wins the game and the legend is born. There's
a reason why you wes just playing the game though,
And I think, you know, if that happens, if when
yours got hurt, that would be tough. You know, he
is an Ohio State recruit. We know that he spent
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a year there. He is the original nil quarterback at court,
he really is. He was like the curtain flood you
know of free agency, right, that's an old reference. How
many people get that reference? But you know he ushered
in the NIL era and cashed in really well at
two places. Good for him. So obviously facing his former
school and that's a big plotline coming in if he
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gets knocked out of the game and artists to go
in there. I mean, I don't like to see players fail.
It's tough to watch interceptions decide games like it did
last night for Dreuell.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
That's tough.
Speaker 12 (29:51):
You know, it'll haunt him. I don't like to see
kickers choke. I don't like to see quarterbacks make mistakes
that decide games. So in your storybook script, man goes
down in Texas wins the game.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yeah, now you take it from there. Okay, Uh, well,
great to hear from me.
Speaker 12 (30:11):
What would you hear from me?
Speaker 2 (30:13):
No, I said, great to hear from you? Oh yeah,
I thought I figured that. You know, you're busy. You
probably got to work out today. Herbie going to spot
you on the bench.
Speaker 12 (30:22):
Uh, he doesn't get in the gyms much, but I
don't live so much any of the spotter. I'll be
all right, te bows around to spot me. Dude's working
out in the gym like four times a day.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
I see, yeah, oh yeah, yeah, you're not putting up
the same weight.
Speaker 12 (30:38):
No, we are not in the same weight class. Speaking
of busy, you either love Christmas, you're really busy, or
you're just too lazy to take the tree down. I know,
how long is a tree?
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Going to say?
Speaker 12 (30:47):
There?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
All the above, By the way, that I love Christmas,
I don't the guy who takes down the tree his
girlfriend just had a baby, so that he normally takes
down the tree. So I'm gonna blame him.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Yeah, all else fails, I blame it on my staff.
Have fun tonight, thanks for joining us as always, Chris
all right, that's Chris Faller. He'll be with Herbie tonight
seven point thirty in the Cotton Bowl.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
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Speaker 2 (31:24):
We say good morning to the Arizona State head football
coach Kenny Dillingham. Had an unbelievable season, took Texas to
a couple overtimes before being bounced from the postseason. Kenny,
thanks for joining us. How many times have you watched
that game?
Speaker 9 (31:39):
Too many? Way, way too many? Probably ten to twelve times.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
But what are you trying to get out of that
when you watch?
Speaker 9 (31:48):
To be honest, just what tips did they have to
give their players an advantage? And if we ever played
them again, what could we do to give our players
an advantage? I mean nothing more or less than that.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Do you watch alone?
Speaker 9 (32:02):
I do?
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Do you drink beers when you want? I mean, you know,
can you have a little bit of fun when you're
watching this coach?
Speaker 9 (32:11):
Sometimes usually when you win you do that. When you lose,
you try to drown in the sorrows.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
But what is it that you could have done? If
I say, you get one mulligan? What would you have
done differently?
Speaker 9 (32:24):
I would have had not called a timeout on the
fourth and one in overtime. I would have let the
plate eat and it would have converted, and I would
have had a time out to say for the fourth
and twelve when yours checked out of it out into
a cover zero beater.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
I thought you were going to say something about the
targeting no call there.
Speaker 9 (32:49):
I can't control that.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
How painful is that to watch? Because I thought it
was you could have picked a penalty either defenseless receiver
or you could have done targeting, and they gave you
neither of those. What do you see when you see
that play now over and over?
Speaker 9 (33:08):
I think I see the same thing that everybody sees. Uh,
that's just it is what it is. Though that's sport.
There's miss calls, there's calls all there's probably five of
their calls in the game that nobody talks about that
probably could have gone against us. So I don't like
to use those moments as excuses, even though they're the
big moments and they're what everybody should talk about, because
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people only talk about the big plays, the big moments,
the big no calls, the big mate calls, whatever it is.
But there's a lot of things I could have done
better to help our football team.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
If Ryan Day reached out to you today and said, hey,
got any tips for me facing Texas? What would you
tell him.
Speaker 9 (33:46):
Yeah, it's on They're they're very physical on the perimeter there.
They're really good tacklers, and I think that's a great skill.
I think it's one thing you see on tape, but
like when you see it live, the size and the
tackling ability, it's different. Then I would say you have
to have an ability to check when Quen yours checks.
You can't let Quen Oures check Texas and a good
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football plays and not change the look. So you better
create a mechanism defensively to check when he checks.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Okay, explain how you then can counteract when yours is
going to check and change the play. Then what is
your job?
Speaker 9 (34:23):
So you could have like a dual call. So basically
you say we're going to run field blitz and we're
going to run cover four and if the quarterback checks,
then we're going to change from our field blitz call
to automatically changing to cover four. So he made a
check based off of field blitz and he wants the
perfect play versus that we're now going to a complimentary call.
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So having a way, just like offenses have a way
to when you hear kill kill and the quarterbacks say
that he's changing calls based off the look, same thing
for a defense.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
But the fourth and thirteen touch down? Did he check
out of something he did?
Speaker 9 (35:03):
He checked out of a call in which we felt
really good about what we were doing into a call
later on the clock, and you know he didn't unbelievable
check and then they executed really well.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
What did you think of the Notre Dame Penn State game?
Speaker 9 (35:20):
Unbelievable game. I think Marcus Freeman's an absolute stud of
a human being. I've been going versus him since I
was at Florida State when he was the defensive coordinator
and he was a phenomenal coach then, and I think
the way he leads people, I think you can see
his guys play really hard.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Do you have a clock management guy like Marcus Freeman
has a guy right next to him? Do you have
a guy whose only job is to give you clock management?
Speaker 9 (35:44):
I did. It was Matt Butterfield. He just took the
full time special teams coordinator job though elsewhere, so I'm hiring.
So if you ever want to hang it out clock
management guy, let me know.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I like the colors and I like the climate. I
just don't know what it pays not what you mean.
I'll he's the Arizona State head coach Ken Dillingham joining
us on the program. I'm going to ask Bill Kauer
about this. We see this with Dan Campbell other coaches.
They create a culture. It feels like you're creating a culture,
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But I don't know how you go about creating that culture.
Speaker 9 (36:22):
Yeah, I think for us, we pick our players, right,
we recruit our players. So for us, it's recruiting guys
that are like minded. You know, our three pillars of
our program are be a good person. It's very simple
to be a good person, make good decisions. It's very
simple to make good decisions, and then have more fun,
working harder than anybody in the country. So what is
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our culture? We better recruit to people that when they
walk around the building, they have a smile on their face,
they're excited to be here, they crack a joke, you
know there they have personality, Because I really think when
you get people around you that have personality, you wake
up and you may have a down day and that
person is going to lift you higher than you would
have been. And that's culture we're trying to create.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
First time you see Cam skataboo. You your response is
your reaction is what.
Speaker 9 (37:08):
Man had all those yards? You know he's an underdog.
There's a reason for him. And but what he's done
to change his body and to change who he is
just as a physical specimen, he's the strongest he's ever been,
least body bet he's ever had, fastest has ever been.
Mindset's better than it's ever been. He went from a
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really really good football player to somebody who was top
five in the Heisman vote, and I think he should
have been higher.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
But so that confidence of just kind of loading him
up and just say go like he's gonna he knows
he's going to get We talked to him after the
loss and he said, look, I know I'm gonna get hurt.
I know it's going to hurt, but I'm going to
hurt you as well. Like that kind of physicality. And
he said, Marshawn Lynch is sort of you know, one
of his idols or who he runs like.
Speaker 9 (37:57):
Yeah, I think Scott just as that mindset he gets into.
He's the nicest kid off the field, super intelligent. People
think his play style, oh he's crazy. Scott is incredibly intelligent,
high high IQ and for him to flip a switch
into this like no way anybody can stop me mode?
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And does that mean he's always not going to be stopped. No,
Nobody in the history of sports ever been invincible. But
it means he believes it so much that he's going
to make plays that people are like, what just happened.
And every day for the last seven hundred days or whatever,
seven hundred and eighty days I've coached him, he has
done something at practice or in a game that I'm like,
what just happened? That is incredible.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
How often do you go to an opposing team stadium
and people question if you really are the head coach
at Arizona State?
Speaker 9 (38:48):
Oh, the way easier question? How often do I does
that not happen?
Speaker 3 (38:54):
I mean, I look.
Speaker 9 (38:55):
Twelve, so it's you know, when I walk around, it's
just part of it.
Speaker 12 (39:00):
You know.
Speaker 9 (39:00):
I've been young my whole life, though I started coach
at seventeen, so I'm very used to the fact. I
mean I get stopped trying to walk into the field
before before the peach ball. They're like, you need credentials,
go back and get them, And I do it. You know,
at the end of the day, I'm people are doing
their jobs, so people don't really recognize me. I appreciate it,
hopefully I look young. When I'm older, you know what
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I mean, and people will be jealous. But right now
it's just part of it.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
What do you expect to happen tonight between Texas and
Ohio State?
Speaker 9 (39:31):
I haven't watched enough Ohio State to give like a
really really good opinion. I know Texas is going to
be really good on defense. I know they're not going
to give up big plays, So I think the key
to Ohio State, I can you think the key to
the game is how do you stop Ohio State and
one of the best wide receivers in college football in
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a long time. And you can't just double team them
because Ohio State's too good.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
To do that.
Speaker 9 (39:56):
So what are you doing to get the quarterback to
think he's double teamed, move his eyes off of him,
but him really be singled up? And I think that's
one of the hidden things in the game, is the
deception of him being doubled. Can you do that enough
to single him up and get your hats elsewhere? For Texas?
And if they can, you know, I think they're both
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really good football teams.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
By the way, when we had cam on he said
he checked out of that that halfback option that I
think he said, your quarterback said he was banged up,
don't throw me the football, and so he changed the play.
Did you know that?
Speaker 9 (40:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (40:35):
I did.
Speaker 9 (40:36):
I saw it live and in person, baby, and on
fourth than too in the fourth quarter, So that was exciting.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
But he's the.
Speaker 9 (40:46):
Same dude that punted for us last year and checked
out of a punt versus USC and did this and
signaled a wide out to run a slam and threw
it to him for a first down. Same dude that
caught a toss, scrambled backward ninety seven yards, realized he
was going to lose yards and threw the ball away.
His football IQ and his savviness is unbelievable for his
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style of play.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
You strike me as a pregame speech guy.
Speaker 9 (41:11):
Really, yeah, I actually don't give pregame speeches. Our players
give pregame speeches. This is a player run program. Our
players give the pregame. Our players make the decisions. I
am literally a surrogate between the leadership council and the players,
and my job is to help the leadership council make
the best decisions for the football team. But I do
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not run the show here. Our players run the show.
I just helped them get to the best decisions.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
In my opinion, Well, like, is there a cut off
point of what they are allowed to do? And say
like do they have total autonomy here?
Speaker 9 (41:50):
I mean, if they're going to do something that is bad,
I'm going to say no, we're not doing that, you know.
But if I say, do you guys think we should do.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
This or this?
Speaker 9 (41:59):
And I give them options and they vote, I'm doing
what they vote for. If they say, hey, we need
a Monday off, we're tired, and I say, you guys
know what the repercussions of this are, right, means Tuesday
has to be this. I you guys have to elevate
Tuesday to another level and they say yes, I'm like, okay,
Monday's off.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
I firmly believe.
Speaker 9 (42:18):
In extreme ownership, especially in today's day and age, and
to get a team buy in, you need team commitment,
team ownership, and I think that was one thing our
leadership council, the decisions they made, and they could push
the team to further, my opinion, further than we thought
we could go. Or people thought we could go because
there was such buy in, because it was team decisions,
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not a head coach saying we're going to go out
in practice for two hours and thirty minutes today. In November,
it was the leadership council saying, Hey, we talked to coach.
This is why we need to practice for two hours
and thirty minutes today.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Wait, when how did you learn this?
Speaker 9 (42:56):
I just believe in trusting people. I mean I leave
I mean I shouldn't say this, but I leave my
car unlocked, like my wife hates it. I just believe
in people. I truly believe that if you try to,
if you give people the keys, if you truly empower people,
and if you get the right people around you and
you trust them and you believe in them right and
(43:18):
you empower them, they're gonna be better versus than themselves.
And that empowerment is going to take you as a
unit higher than you could ever go by me saying
run one hundred yards.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Okay, if your car is gone by the end of
the day, do not blame me.
Speaker 9 (43:32):
I'm gonna lock it now. I'm going to have to
change my entire theory on not locking my car now
because I just exposed that.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Congratulations on all this success. We appreciate you.
Speaker 9 (43:44):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Thank you. Coach coach Kenny Dillingham Arizona State second season
and they were three and nine first season, eleven to
three in season two. I could buy into that. Did
we just get a new favorite coach? I feel like
we might have. He's there, let's go. I thought that
was great.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
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Speaker 2 (44:12):
Hall of Fame head coach Bill cower So part of
NFL Today on CBS Studio. And look who showed up early,
I coach.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I found Waldough.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Yeah. I told you I was going to put it.
Put it up there and we made room there you go.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
I appreciate that, I said, stage right, it's good.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Does it look like you are you? Did you have
to approve?
Speaker 3 (44:40):
I have I have multiple bobbleheads. I had one with
a gold jacket on, another one with a headset. I
think this one with a headset. I had to get
the one that's just the coach. You just Hall of fame,
doesn't it doesn't deserve to be on that desk. I'm
a regular guy, like the policeman, like everybody else. I'm
not just the old football coach right next to the
(45:01):
San Antonio traffic Polease, guy.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Are you did you grow up hating Penn State?
Speaker 3 (45:08):
Go out when I didn't offer me a scholarship? So
but my brother went there?
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Okay, yeah, Because I'm watching the game last night, I'm like,
I think your dad was at Duquane, like you feel
like you were a pit guy.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
Oh. I was on a recruiting trip up there, and
they never offered me a scholarship. And ironically enough, my
freshman year at NC State, I played as a freshman
against them, and before the game, I pulled out the
leather that says they didn't think I was big enough
to play college Division one football. I said, well, we'll
find out today, won't we.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
Did you model your game after anybody?
Speaker 9 (45:49):
No?
Speaker 3 (45:49):
You know I grew up. I grew up watching Jack Lambert.
I mean this. I loved him. I didn't do it,
but I loved Hacksaw Reynolds w And he used to
chop his steet in place before the ball was snapped.
Just guys, I mean this people had their own personalities, right,
and that's I just I like Jack was my guy,
Dick Buckus was my guy, and Ray NITCHKEI were my guys.
(46:09):
Those were the three guys I looked at.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
We talk about the Lions and Dan Campbell and creating
culture and it's a weird word. When you create culture?
Do you know how to create culture?
Speaker 3 (46:21):
You know? I think culture is something that is manifested.
I think it takes time. It's creating a building where
you'd like to think that you walk in there. There's
a selflessness about it. There's also a sense of purpose
about it. There's a trust that exists, and you're able
(46:42):
to kind of give ownership to the players to oversee
the locker room. And I think that's when you know
you've gotten to that level. But the culture is about
being real, being transparent, about holding people accountable, and you're
in there for one purpose. When you walk in, their leader,
you go at the door and we're we're all in
this thing together.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
When did the hatred for the Ravens start? Or well
both ways here?
Speaker 3 (47:10):
Yeah, I mean I when they moved from Cleveland to Baltimore,
I just called them the Browns. I mean they can
call themselves the Ravens, but I call them the Browns
and are the same team that we're up the turnpike.
We're just gonna go We're going to go east instead
of going north. But there's still the same team we
don't like. There's still the same thing we take very
personal with and so and then it probably happened right
(47:31):
around that two thousand era when ray Lewis came in
and start doing the dance they had to and then
we were going back and forth with the division at
that time, and I think that's the real robberies are
kind of bridgs, you know what, Dan, It's like when
you have when you are both fighting for that division
and you find yourselves on top. And then we were
both kind of identically built. It was about kind of
(47:54):
a run the football, play defense, I pose yourself on
the other team, and we have kind of all to
We took pride in that physicality part of the game,
and I think the early two thousands that was absolutely
identified and that's what the game was all about.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
You don't strike me as a coach who would allow
as players to be dancing like ray Lewis did to
open up a game.
Speaker 3 (48:14):
Well, we didn't dance, but we talked a lot. I
think we had a lot of guys that'd like to
get the last word in Joey Porter was never never
was lost for words.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
On the field, but you were okay with that.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
Yeah, I wanted edgy players. I didn't mind having edgy players,
I know. I always said, my job as a coach
is for you to walk that line of being that
almost arrogant, almost like supreme. I feel you're the best
person on that field, and when you cross the line,
my job is to pull you back. Where do you
cross the line when you disrespect the game, You disrespect
(48:51):
the opponent, or you disrespect a teammate, and that's dancing
or doing something that's in someone's face. So I said,
just as long as you respect the game, that line.
And sometimes I felt a guy, we're almost too safe,
too cautious, didn't want to make a mistake, And I said,
if if I can't, if I don't pull you back periodically,
you're not walking the line close enough. So I kind
(49:11):
of encouraged them to get to be a little bit
of a swagger when he walked on that field.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
Hall of Famer Bill Kauer, of course, NFL today, CBS
studio analysts, did you ever come close to wanting to
go after another coach? Punch a coach, not.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
Punch of coach. But I think there's obviously the clip
of me with Chris Hudson when he picked up the
block field goal of dont Jacksonville walking down the sideline,
and I kind of just was gonna do one of those.
But I blamed I be dan. I blame that on
the ghost of Woody Hayes. And it was actually the
very same sideline, the very same part of the field
where he punched Charlie Bowman from Clemson. So I think
(49:49):
I think that was just that was the Woody Hayes
that came out of. It was the same field, same
part of the fields. It's ironic if you go back
and someone pulling that out to me and I said, well,
that answers it. That couldn't have been me doing that.
But no, I'm you know, I never know. You know,
I respected the game and I love to compete. I
didn't like losing, but never really took it that personally.
(50:11):
If I took a personally, I took it upon myself
that we didn't do enough to win the game.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
If I gave you the Lions or the field in
the NFC, who would you take?
Speaker 3 (50:24):
Well, right now, I would say the Lions, and I
say that for this reason. They are so battle tested
right now. They are such a refresh of Dan Campbell.
Everyone keeps talking about what they don't have, and he
just keeps using that for fuel to fuel this team.
Aaron Glenn has done a vantaity job. Ben Johnson I
think is one of the best offensive coordinators in the league.
(50:45):
And they're getting a little bit healthy right now, so
they get a bye week to get healthy. You're playing
at home in Detroit. They got to win two games.
I just don't know for as a team there. You
saw what they did against Minnesota. They and it's probably
their biggest robbery if you think about that. Tam the
only team that I think that really can go in
there or the Philadelphi Eagles. I think the Philadelphi Eagles
has what it takes because they can run the football,
(51:06):
they can play defense right now, and they got really
good offensive line. And if you know, again, Jalen Hurt
comes back, Supt's come back this week. I think that's
the one team to me that I think can battle them.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
If I gave you the Chiefs of the field in
the AFC.
Speaker 3 (51:23):
Well, we've been picking against the Chiefs all season long.
We keep waiting for the left to put the shoot
to drop on that team. But you know, again, they're
playing at home, they're getting healthy. I still look at
Baltimore and Buffalo as two teams. Then they're gonna meet
probably in the divisional round and go there. I think
both those teams kind of like the Thorn, and both
of those teams has been the Kansas City Chiefs. So
(51:44):
I think either one of those two teams are gonna
have a chance to go into the Kansas City with
a little bit of a chip on their shoulders. So
I you know, again, it's hard to pick against them,
but I think there's a little bit. There's a few
more teams in the AFC I think that can challenge
it Chiefs, and there are in the NFC that can
challenge the Lions.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
What's it like to be a head coach when you
want your assistance, your offensive or defensive coordinators to be
able to interview for a head coaching job. And I
know this probably didn't go on when you were coaching,
but now, I mean imagine you're Dan Campbell and you're
probably losing both of your coordinators, but he's still there
as the head coach while they're interviewing for other jobs.
Speaker 3 (52:25):
Yeah, I think the first week is not a problem.
I think we have the week off. I think it's
not a problem with that. And I think Number one,
I always looked at as a fender of my cap.
You know, I had eight guys that went on to
become head coaches from my staff, and I always looked
at that as you know, I was proud of that.
I'm very, very proud that they were able to move
on from us and be able to go to the
next level. So I don't think I think it's a
(52:47):
problem is when they're interviewing during the course of the game,
they're having that week. I don't think I would allow
that because to me, the attention should be on that game,
because that game is also going to be a reflection
on your record and on our record, and it's an opportunity.
In a playoffs, it's this is not best of three,
so it's single elimination. And to me, when you have
the week of the game, that focus is on the
week of the game. But the bye week, I get it.
(53:08):
I understand it because people like to move fast in
our league, and I think the boy line and I
said this, I told this to dan Is. I said,
the one thing you have success And I learned this
very early. You better have a backup plan, a backup
plan to they're having. Your coordinators are going to get
plucked to go to become a head coaches, which is
a feather in your cap. It's nothing to look negatively about.
But now be able to maybe work with in house
(53:29):
and be able to promote in house if you can
do it. And that's the ideal that atmosphere. You talking
about culture, how about a great culture where you know
if you stay right there that you may have a
chance to advance in your own field of employee and
actually made a chance to become a head coach. So
I think Key has a backup plan to both those things,
and I think most coaches do, but I always encourage them. Then,
when you have success, the first thing you better do
(53:51):
is have a backup plan for your assistant coaches.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
You got a story about Rothlessburger frustrating you, Well, did
he always listen to you when you called in plays?
Speaker 3 (54:04):
Well, he would do one of these things like he
said no, no, he was say that. He would say
it's not working. I said, well, there are communications I work,
and they go, I think it is. I go, well,
let's check his home. He gets out and we grabbed that.
Just grab his helmet. One time, we grabbed his helmet.
They go, coaches working, fine, he goes. It just came
back off. I don't know. That's not I go, that
(54:25):
is not a true statement. Then I know it. I
said it's not. You can't. I can't hear it. You're
calling plays. So the interesting question, now, I'm going to
sit down. I always wonder about this, and I wanted
to talk to Sean McDermott and I'm going to ask him.
I sit down with him later on today. Matter of fact,
and when Josh Allen breaks the pocket, it was almost
(54:45):
like when Ben used to break the pocket. It was like,
oh no, here we go again. It's street ball. I
don't know what's going to happen. It's kind of buckle
your seatbelt and it's just like, oh, oh my god,
here he goes again. Just don't be careless, don't be reckless,
and big players will happen. And Troy Paula Malou. He's
supposed to be playing half the field. I see him
start to creep up to the line of scrimmers. They're going,
(55:06):
is he gonna drop or not? I don't even know.
Like so, I so you wonder what goes through your stomach.
But I only always say great players, Troy Paula Malou,
Ben Roethlisberger, you can't harness greatness, and sometimes you want
that to become an unbridled feeling that they have on
that field where they can take over a game, and
most of the times they do. Now, sometimes you're gonna
(55:27):
live with the mistakes that they have and the choices
that they make. But man, you want these guys on
your team, and you know through the course of time
that their decision making is going to be the right thing.
But you know what, in the meantime, though, you sit there,
your stomach's turned. You're like a fan, like, oh boy,
here we go again. I don't know it's gonna happen.
Like that was a great play, Yeah, sure was. So
(55:48):
you kind of just go do you turn into a
fan watching this? Go oh, this will be interesting to
see what happens here. He's running to the right, throwing
it back to the left and you know, it's this okay,
you know, and sometimes those are the plays that you
know that that win championion ships and win games. And
sometimes it's they're not the things they make up, and
it's the players that you entrust with the system that
they kind of take it to another level.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
Safe Travels. Thanks for the bibblehead. We appreciate it. Yes,
thank you, coach.
Speaker 3 (56:12):
Thanks Dan. Always pleasure to be on
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