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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio, it feels.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Like the longer your team goes before they hire somebody,
the worst it's going to get. Like if you're a
Cowboy fan today and you're going, who are we hiring?
If you're the Saints, does anybody want this job? The Jags?
Now the Jets got Aaron Glenn, thoughts and prayers, and
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you start to think, okay, it's taken this long. Wait,
you're gonna fire your GM in Jacksonville? Well wait, why
didn't you fire him before the Raiders? You gotta fire
your coach? Wait, wait, wait, and then you're gonna fire
your GM. So the longer you wait, unless you're waiting
for somebody who's in the postseason, it feels like the
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worst it's going to get. We'll talk to Albert Breer,
the Monday Morning quarterback. He'll set us straight on everything
that's going on right now. The Bears got their guy,
they got Ben jem the report that the Cowboys didn't
even bring him in to interview him or at least
do a zoom call with Ben Johnson. The analogy that
I'll use is, if I know that that girl doesn't
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want to go out with me. I'm not going to
ask her to go out with me and get embarrassed.
Jerry Jones probably thinks Ben Johnson, all you young offensive whippers
snapper here, You think you could come in here and
change our culture. I'm the one who changes the culture,
and that culture is actually the culture that never changes.
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So are you going to hire or promote Brian Schottenheimer
as the Cowboys new head coach? And if that's the case,
there are reports they're going to promote the offensive coordinator.
His father borderline Hall of Fame coach. Maybe is a
Hall of Fame coach, and Brian Schottenheimer feels like a
Cowboys coach. Hey, come on in, you get the title.
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But you, Brian, you know the dre. I'm the coach.
I'm the captain now, so he already knows that going in.
If you bring in Brian Johnson, Brian Johnson's going to
be like Ben Johnson. He's gonna be like liit An.
I got autonomy here. If you don't bring in the
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number one offensive minded person who was available in the
off season, and you could zoom call the Bears didn't
fly in Ben Johnson, he zoomed which is weird. Though
you're going to hire somebody and they don't even you know,
take a tour of the facilities. I thought that that
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was kind of strange. But Ben Johnson showing a little
personality yesterday as he was sworn in as the new
head coach of the Chicago Bears, and he talked about
his expectations for his team.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Get comfortable being uncomfortable. The bar has been set higher
than it's ever been set before. For the only way
for this team and for you is individual players to
reach your potential is to be pushed and to be challenged.
And that's exactly what I and my staff plan on doing.
Our mission starting the spring is to win and to
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win now.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Alrighty, let's go, got T shirts and banners.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Get comfortable being uncomfortable?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, I don't know what it means, but yeah we're ready.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (03:28):
Seton Does he deliver everything like he's reading it off
a sheet wild paper?
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Oh well?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
This is what he thought of the Bearers this past
season while he was in Detroit.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Going into this season, I felt like this place was
a sleeping giant. To be honest with you, I personally
was more concerned about the Chicago Bears than was anybody
else in this division. Now, there's a number of reasons
why that did not unfold, all right, which that's why
I'm here. I'll get to the bottom of that and
we'll see if we can't get that corrected and cleaned up.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Okay, whatever that meant. He talked about taking his family
to the Cubs games. Oh, he's one of us. We
love the Cubs.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
He's one of us.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Our prayers have been answered.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
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NBA college basketball coming up tonight. The Miami Heat have
suspended Jimmy Butler again. He's doing his best to get traded,
and it feels like the Phoenix Suns are doing their
best to try to come up with the pieces to
be able to bring in Jimmy Butler. I wouldn't advise
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doing that at his age. You know, the Phoenix Suns.
They're trying to do something, but you're trying to get
these pieces to fit together. And does Jimmy Butler really
help you that much? I mean I never would have
brought in back Bradley Beal. I mean fifty million dollars.
If Bradley Beal's playing out there in the field house here,
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I wouldn't go out there and see him and no offense.
But he just's he's a guy that you go, wow,
he scored a lot of points in his career. I
don't know if you could no offense that one. Yeah,
probably is there somebody named Noah Fence in America. The
Sons are playing five hundred ball, but Jimmy Butler wants
to get paid. What is he thirty five thirty six?
Speaker 7 (05:46):
Yes, Marvin and Bradley Beal also has a no trade
clause on his contract, which makes it even worse. It's
like him and Lebron. I think those are orange players
in the NBA because that's why I put in the
same category.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Yes, Ron, Yeah, yeah, can't move him all right?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
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and the Saints. Those are the openings. We'll talk to
Albert Breer about that. The college football Title game ratings
were down. Probably a couple of reasons for that. As
we said, you know, a Monday night after football games
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over the weekend. Inauguration was that night. I can see
why they would be even though you do have Ohio
State and Notre Dame. Imagine if you didn't have Ohio
State and or Notre Dame in there. But the ratings
were down. Not surprised.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
They got to fix that.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
You know, college football has This is an interesting offseason.
It's not the most important offseason. I think that'll be
the following year when they decide what they're going to do.
As far as expanding the playoffs, maybe to fourteen, I
think they got to get the seating down. Just because
you win your conference doesn't mean that you get a
first round by I mean, there's some things that they
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can clean up here. But the contract, the new contract
goes into effect in twenty twenty six. But as far
as the national title game, we suggested, why not on
a Thursday night prior to the divisional games. You know,
there was such a long stretch in between and your
I don't know, you just kind of you lose that,
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you get lost in that vortex that's known as the NFL.
But the ratings, the ratings were down, and I think
you got to you got to change that.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Now.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
There was a blowout right in front of us, and
you might have tuned out of that game. But ESPN
announced yesterday that twenty two million viewers. That's the most
watched non NFL sporting event over the past year, but
a twelve percent drop from the twenty five million that
tuned in from Michigan over Washington in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
Stat of the day, stat of the day, that best
stat of the day, stat of the day.
Speaker 8 (08:04):
Here comes that what stat of the day.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Here's something for you from a source. The Big ten
in SEC everybody, the athletic directors are meeting in New
Orleans February nineteenth. So that's gonna take place before the
college football playoff meetings. So you're gonna discuss everything that's
going on there. And I think you want to get
that championship game fixed. Are you gonna have conference title games?
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The fact, the ACC came out and said, we don't
want our conference champion, the regular season champ, to play
in the conference title game because we don't want them
to play.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
One more game.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
We in case they lose that game, your best team,
then they don't get seated as high as you would like.
I think the ACC had the eleventh and twelfth seeded
teams in the playoffs this year with SMU and Clemson,
but I think you would have the second and third
place teams play in the conference championship game instead of
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the team that's the.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Best team in the ACC.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Now, Setan came up with some logic attached to this
of why the ACC would do this, because at first
I thought, boy, they're desperate to try to do something,
and then Setan said, no, there might be some logic
attached to this, and they might be using another model
in another sport. You're gonna protect the winning team. Setan,
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if you'd like to explain what you think the ACC
is doing with having these second and third place teams
play for their conference championship game, well, what they do.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
In soccer is say in England, right, you have the
Premier League, which is the top and then you have
a championship which is just below that, and they have
promotion and relegations. So the top three teams from championship
go up to the Premier League every year, and the
bottom three from the Premier League go down to cheachampionship
every year. But the way that they'll do the promotion
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part of it to get from championship up to the
Premier League is the top two teams in the league
automatically advance, and then there's a playoff for the third spot,
so you basically reward the teams that did the best.
Every game matters. Every game is important. You have to
win your games, you have to win the league. Winning
the league is still very important, but if you want
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to get promoted, there's a playoff for the third spot
rather than the first spot.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
I can't wait for relegation in college football. If anybody
is going to attack the NFL for popularity, If I
put relegation in where you're watching games that you would
never watch, but now all of a sudden there's relegation,
Oh my god, that's when every game counts. Because I
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remember when I said I'm all for twelve team playoff.
It'll make the regular season even more valuable and that
proved to be true. Every game mattered because more teams
were getting into the postseason or the opportunity to get
a chance to play in the postseason. They're going to
expand that. They know the money that's attached to that.
But if you said there was relegation, Let's say North
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Dakota State winning this year was going to get promoted
and they're going to go into the Big Twelve. And
let's say Baylor gets relegation. Oh, I don't know, throw
out a team, but just having that, let's say the
two teams that play, you know, like it's Montana State
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against North Dakota State, and both teams get promoted, and
then you'll have relegation. What if you had just forty
schools and then every year two went up and two
went down. Yeah, seton that.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
Soccer is the most popular sport in every country that
has promotion and relegation, and if it doesn't, then the
sport tends to suffer a bit. I really believe that
if college football was to institute pro rel it would
within five years it would probably be the most popular
sport in the country. Wow, it just you just can't
replicate the dynamics of what it means to move up
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and what it means to move down. You just you
can't compare it to anything else.
Speaker 9 (12:14):
Yeah, pulling, you put the national title game like Ohio
State Notre Dame eight o'clock on a Saturday, but three
o'clock on that Saturday is Montana State versus North Dakota
State or whatever. The FCS title game is a lot
of eyeballs, like you said you own that day.
Speaker 10 (12:28):
That'd be fantastic.
Speaker 9 (12:29):
And by the way, the last place team in the
Big Twelve this year was Oklahoma State. Oh sorry, wow,
cauld you imagine a big money squad like them going.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Down the forty. I'm a man and I'm relegated. Yes, ud,
Could you put.
Speaker 11 (12:43):
The four screens up of the teams that are most
likely to be relegated, just like they do in the
tournament to see if you get in and what your
state is and see the emotional reactor to your relegating.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
I love that. I think you could.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
College football has got some changes, you know, they know
that they need to come up with changes. They need
to come up with something that says they know what
the changes are that they need to make. But I
think it's an interesting offseason.
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Speaker 2 (14:15):
Albert Brier, the Monday Morning Quarterbacks senior NFL reporter, joining
us on the program. All right, let me start with
the Jaguars. What is Jacksonville doing.
Speaker 10 (14:26):
Doesn't seem like they know themselves. You know, I think
the fact that the owner isn't around a lot probably
affected this process. And you know, I think he wanted
somebody to help him. Shad con did with the with
the coaching search, which I think in the past has
been why you've seen a bunch of half measures. In
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the decade and a half that he's on the team,
he's only done a clean sweep once, despite a lot
of losing, and that was a long time ago. He
didn't want to go it alone, so he holds on
to Trent, and after two weeks they realize what I
think everyone had known all along, which was Trent Alki
was a serious impediment towards them getting the right head coach,
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and there were a lot of coaches who didn't want
to work with Trent based on his past history, based
on the clashes that he had with a bunch of
different people over the years. You want to go back
to San Francisco, Jim Harbaugh, you more recently, obviously Doug
Peterson there over the last couple of years, and some
issues that he had with Peterson and his staff.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
And so.
Speaker 10 (15:36):
What is it, sixteen days later, seventeen days later, they're
sort of hitting reset and starting over again. Now they
really like Robert Salad, who will be in there tomorrow
for a second interview. And I think there's a chance
they open it back up and you know, maybe bring
guys like Joe Brady back next week. But obviously now
they've got to concurrently run a general manager search as well,
and I think that sort of resets the whole process.
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And you know, I think then you see guys like
like Ian Cunningham coming in to interview for the job.
The thing that sucks there is that you've taken some
viable candidates off the table on that end too, you know,
whereas on the head coach side, now Ben Johnson, Aaron Glenn,
Mike Frable, guys who might have had an interest in
the job of Trent Balki hadn't been there or off
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the table. Now you have qualified general manager candidates like
Mike Borganzi and Tennessee, John spy Tech and Vegas who
are off the table as well.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
What's to say about Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I think that's the bigger picture that any any coaches
coming in wants to know the quarterbacking situation. You would
think that would have been a positive for Jacksonville to
have Trevor Lawrence, that you would have the coaches would
be running for that job, that you got your franchise quarterback.
I think it says a lot about Trevor Lawrence in
this situation.
Speaker 10 (16:49):
I think it says more about Trent Balkie, don't you.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I mean, like, yes, I was shocked that they were
going to keep him. I can replace a GM, I'm
not going to be able to replace Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 10 (16:59):
Yeah, I think like that's yeah, and that's part of it.
Of course, there's some different opinions on Trevor Lawris, but
I think everybody agrees that he's talented and you can
win with him. Now, you know, is he worth fifty
five million dollars a year? You might get some diversient
opinions on that, and I think as he came into
the league, he I would say, as he came into
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the league, you know, like there was a feeling that
this guy's more raw than anyone really thought. And it
was a result of playing a pretty in a pretty
simplistic offense at Clemson. He had played a lot of
football there, but you know, he wasn't doing a lot
of NFL things there and obviously playing on a supreme,
supremely talented team as well. So I think he's got ability,
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you know that that that's for sure. The physical traits
are all there. The question is can you get him
to that next level? And I mean, look like you know,
in the in the AFC right now, I'd argue you've
got maybe the four best players in the sport at
that position in Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and
Joe Burrow. And so is Trevor Lawrence good enough to
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break through that glass ceiling? I think that's a fair
question to ask.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
All right, what are the Cowboys doing?
Speaker 10 (18:10):
Another one where I'm not sure they are even quite sure,
which is mind blowing to me because they had a
year to prepare for this Dan, you know, like I,
it was no secret. You know, they were the ones
that created this situation for themselves where Mike McCarthy was
in a contract year. I actually believe that if if
he had term left on his contract, they would have
held on to him for another year. But because they
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created that situation for themselves, things got awkward after the year,
there's no real negotiation, and they cut it off, you know,
eight days after other teams are already into their coaching
searches and so they went into this thing behind and
they were playing catch up. You know, it kind of
cut them off from talking to the Lions assistants and
the chiefs assistants when you know other teams were doing
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that and now you see them leaning back on familiarity
and you know the names are different.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
But why aren't they interviewing Ben Johnson? Why didn't they
zoom Ben Johnson?
Speaker 10 (19:05):
Because it's too late. They didn't have a chance to
because because the rules say, if you're like for the
for the teams that had the buys right Lions and Jeefs,
that windows only opened through the wildcard rounds.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
So but they put themselves in this position though Albert.
Speaker 10 (19:18):
Right then That's what I'm saying. They created that situation
for themselves. Like if they had said on Monday of
whatever the date was, the Monday after the season, if
they had just said, all right, like that's it, we're
walking away from Mike McCarthy, and they certainly could have
gone and talked to Ben Johnson. I think Mike Rabel
would have been really interested in that job. And part
of the reason why the Patriots moved as fast as
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they did was that they knew there was a relationship
there between Vrabel and the Joneses, and the Joneses would
have been really interested in Mike Frable.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
You're making this even worse for Cowboys that they didn't
get rid of Mike McCarthy, so they could have interviewed
Ben Johnson, and Mike Brabel probably would have been interested
in taking that job. Other than that, enjoy Brian Schottenheimer
as you new head coach.
Speaker 10 (20:01):
And but but I think, like to me, isn't the
tell though, Dan, like who they're looking at?
Speaker 5 (20:06):
Like, what do you do?
Speaker 10 (20:07):
If you're really lost? You'll lean back on familiarity, right
Deon Sanders, Kellen Moore, Brian Schottenheim, Er, Jason Witten, like
the names that you're hearing here are all names they're
familiar with, which is exactly what you would do if
you didn't have a plan, right, Like, so, you know,
it's just it's I don't know, I mean, like looking
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at where that team is, they're in a funky spot
from a contract standpoint. Obviously it's just signed Dak and
Ceedee Lamb. They're they're in for another big one this
offseason with Micah Parsons, and that's gonna be a big
box decision, you know, I think waiting on him. You know,
now he's gonna ask for forty million dollars a year,
and you know, I'd say as a player, he's certainly
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worth it.
Speaker 14 (20:50):
You know.
Speaker 10 (20:50):
So they're they're they're in this weird spot from a
team standpoint, and like now you look at where they're at,
I mean, is the answer for them what they did
in two thousand and seven when they brought back Jason
Garrett and Jason Garrett was sort of the coach in
waiting and then they had Wade Phillips as the experienced
hand there is that what they're going to wind up
doing with Brian Schottenheimer and Jason Whitten, Are they going
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to go back to the wall with Callen Moore, which
would kind of be what the plan had been a
few years ago that Kellen Moore would be the future
head coach of the Cowboys. Do they really take a
swing and do Dion Sanders. I mean, all the names
you're hearing now, their names are familiar with and I
just you know, you do have to question whether or
not there's there they're thinking has gotten way too insular there.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
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Speaker 4 (21:40):
The Raiders.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Tom Brady doesn't lose very often, but it feels like
he lost out on Ben Johnson. And what that now means,
you know, another organization, Hey, we fired the coach dot
dot dot dot, and we fired the general manager. And
it felt like they were making they were paving the
way for Ben Johnson to come in and say, hey,
you're going to be able to on this team where
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we're going to get a GM that you can work with.
Speaker 10 (22:03):
But yep, I was certainly yep, that was certainly the case.
And I I heard I'd heard that Brady was enamored
with with Ben Johnson. And really liked the idea of
Ben Johnson, and Ben was going to turn down that interview,
and Brady making calls and presenting a compelling vision was
the reason why he took the interview. You know, my
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understanding was like Ben really loved the vision that Brady
put in front of him when they did have a
chance to talk, and you know, Brady made a real
run at it. And yeah, I think pieces of this
or that the comfort for Johnson, for Ben Johnson being
in the Midwest and his family is very comfortable in Detroit.
Chicago is not that much different of a place if
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you're raising a family, and then you know, finding a
comfort level with the with the front office and and
with ownership there, and then you know, you wind up landing.
You're landing in a spot that does have a young
quarterback in Caleb Williams. So I think Brady was kind
of climbing uphill on that one and almost made it,
but you know that, you know, not landing the guy
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forces you to pivot. And now he goes back into
his past and brings in the guy he's really familiar
with in John Spy Tech to help him out. I
think that like sort of creates a reset for them
a little bit on the coaching search. Spy Tech's a
guy who's I think, you know, along with Mike Borganzi,
Like those two guys were very very ready the last
couple of years. There were a lot of people that
were stunned that they hadn't gotten jobs yet. And spy
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Tech's pretty close with Brady. They played together at Michigan,
and that's been a little overblown. They didn't really know
each other very well then Brady was the starting quarterback,
spy Tech was on the scout team. But over the
three years they were together in Tampa, spy Tech actually
ran the Tuesday meeting that Belichick used to run for
Brady and New England that Nick Cassario used to run
for Brady in New England, where you're looking at the
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next week's opponent, So meeting every week, breaking down the
opponent a week ahead, like all that stuff that he
would that those two were doing together, they were able
to form a little bit of a and so when
the door closes on Ben Johnson, Brady you know, went
and got a guy who really respects in Spytech, And
now I think they reset the coaching search a little bit,
and we'll see where they go with that.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Better hire what the Jets did or what the Bears did.
Speaker 10 (24:17):
I really like what the Jets did. I like both guys.
Both guys. I think it'll be really be good, will
be good head coaches. I just look at like where
the Jets are at, and I think the Jets. I
think this was correc I've been very critical of the
Jets over the last few months. I think the Jets
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got something right here in that. I think Mike Tannebaum,
being a guy who'd been there before, some of the
executives maybe looking a little bit in the mirror, they realize, like,
we need somebody who's going to embrace being here, and
we need somebody who's going to embrace the spotlight of
New York. And we need somebody who understands the dynamics
of working in this franchise and the narratives that get
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spun out there, and the fact that everybody thinks for
a service. We need somebody who's going to embrace the
challenge of that. And they've had a lot of guys
over the last couple of decades that have come in
there and said they were going to do that, but
then in the end, have sort of chafed against it,
you know what I mean, like and have really chafed
against the dynamics that exist in that franchise. And so
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I think going and finding somebody who's going to embrace
the challenge of that, who understands the challenge of that,
and the guy who's a first round pick there and
played a bunch of years there, I think they got
this one right. And I think if you spend five
minutes around Aaron Glenn, he screams head coach. So I
really like what the Jets did there, and I look
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like I think the Bears got it right too, Like
I think Ben Johnson's got a great future as a
head coach. But I think just as far as like,
if you're talking about what a franchise needs, I think
the Jets got exactly what they needed in hiring Aaron Glenn.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
What about the Saints, Yeah, that's another one.
Speaker 10 (26:00):
You know, like they've sort of leaned up familiarity a
little bit there, you know, like the snowstorm has affected
some things. They're gonna they're gonna have Anthony Weaver back
in there. You know, They're they're trying to get Mike
McCarthy in over the weekend. Uh, this one sort of
seems like it might be McCarthy to me. You know,
McCarthy didn't initially Like initially McCarthy just took the trip
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to Chicago. I think McCarthy was a little bit more
focused on the Chicago job, you know. But just you know,
with Mickey Loomis there, and and and and the roster
being what it is and where it is right now.
I you know, I think after you strikeout on Aaron Glenn,
who I I would say was probably their first choice,
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you look at it and you say, okay, like, what
can we do to sort of stabilize the franchise and
and and get ourselves in a position where maybe we
can win a little bit with the current core, but
then we're gonna be set up to to move on
from that core and and rebuild. And Mike McCarthy's volume
of experien I think really helps him there. He of
course was there in Green Bay when they went from
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from Brett Tharv to Aaron Rodgers. He really had a
huge hand in developing Aaron Rodgers. And so, you know,
if you're looking at a situation where you've got an
older quarterback, and you know you're looking to turn the
page in a lot of spots in your roster. I
think you do a lot worse than Mike McCarthy. So
McCarthy makes a lot of sense to me. Here's the
other thing. I just think perception of McCarthy's kind of
screwed up. What is resume next to Mike Tomlins. What's
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the difference?
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Oh, I've said it before.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
I think we just have this when we see Mike McCarthy,
it doesn't scream head coach.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
You look at Mike Tomlins.
Speaker 14 (27:37):
I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Physical appearance right, absolutely, Sean Payton, Oh, he looks like
a head coach. Mike Tumblin looks like a head coach.
John Harball head coach. Wait, who's that guy? I mean
Andy Reid fought through this.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Yeah, where we.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Looked at Andy Reid and you're like, that looks like
the kool aid guy, Like, he doesn't look like a coach.
And I think McCarthy as well. The optics. But you know,
I thought he was going to get a job, but
I didn't know if it was going to be New Orleans.
So that it feels like the game of me.
Speaker 10 (28:06):
He was there Here's the other thing is like he
worked with Mickey Loomis for five years and I do
think like they wanted to be open minded there. And look,
I think Joe Brady's a good candidate there too. He's
another one like where you look at him. He's got
experience with the franchise and everything else. But you know,
I think our own personal experiences are are always a factor.
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And I think Mickey wants to get this one right.
He understands he's at the end of his career and
he's got a group of players that, like he liked
to try to make at least maybe one more run
with them before completely resetting. And I think McCarthy gives
him the opportunity to do that as a guy that
he worked with again for five years at the start
of his time in New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Always great to talk to you, No you're busy. We'll
see you to be a super Bowl. Thank you, Eving, Absolutely,
Thanks Dan.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show week days at nine am Eastern six am
Pacific on Fox Sports and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Let's bring in Sean Soulisbury, former NFL quarterback. Also he
hosts the morning show on Sports Talk seven ninety in Houston.
Good to talk to you again, Sean. Do you have
an idea what the Cowboys are doing?
Speaker 5 (29:16):
Yeah, they're being the Cowboys. Dan.
Speaker 15 (29:18):
Think about this now, which you mentioned, and listen to
what you're saying. Their inconsistency and lack of like proactive
is exactly who they've been since the mid nineties.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
And Jerry Dion notwithstanding.
Speaker 15 (29:33):
If he pulls that off, it'll be because relationships and
all that, But Jerry, Jerry would have fired himself fifteen
times as the GM since the mid nineties.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
Great Marketer, the best in the world. But the problem.
Speaker 15 (29:44):
Is is that Jerry's never gonna let anybody come in
there and be the face and the.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
Voice of the building. He's just not.
Speaker 15 (29:52):
And when you have that, you can't be a doctor
and a lawyer in the same office. You got to
be able to empower people to do it. So you're
gonna get guys saying these guys aren't.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
Good football coaches.
Speaker 15 (30:01):
Brian Schottenheimer, Kellen Moore, Jason Garrett. You're gonna get guys
who come in and are gonna say, I want this job,
I don't need any other power, I want a head coach.
Let me at least have a little autonomy to hire
some of the guys we want.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
But you make any decision you want.
Speaker 15 (30:17):
It's not gonna be somebody with power that wants to
run the building, not only the groceries, but also put
it out there and be the guy in the hallway
after the game that's doing.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
The press conference.
Speaker 15 (30:28):
As long as Jerry continues this, the Dallas Cowboys will
be who they are a January if they're lucky team.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
And I know that the Dion story, and you know
that had legs for a while because it was the
Cowboys and Dion, and I kept saying, I just don't
know if it's real.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
I still don't know if it's real. But I did
see an article.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
That said Colorado is upping its contract talks with.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
What a coincidence?
Speaker 5 (30:54):
Yeah, shocker.
Speaker 15 (30:56):
Hey, if you're not really looking for the job, the
best they can do is bring out the pro interest
and you'll get paid.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
But Dan real quick on that that's good for him. Hey,
if you can get it, go get more money.
Speaker 15 (31:05):
Sure, But the Dion talk, if Dion, there's a lot
of familiarity there.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
If Dion was going to get the Cowboys.
Speaker 15 (31:11):
Gig and I mean, maybe it'd be awesome, wouldn't he
already have it? What are you waiting for? This is
who the Cowboys are. Wait till everybody's gone and they say, well,
we're going to hire Dave Campo tomorrow, not the Dave
camp wouldn't a good coach. But now Jerry still gets
to be the loudest voice in the biggest face in
the building.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
That's not changing, Dan, regardless of everybody's wish.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Why does it the appearance that the Chiefs get more
calls than anybody else? Why is that, whether it's based
in fact or based in fiction, there is that perception,
and there are numbers that show when they play their
last eleven playoff games, they're ten to one, and the
disparity between the penalties on them and the disparity on
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their opposition.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
Well, Dan, whyatt seems like it is because it is?
Right now.
Speaker 15 (32:01):
I understand Bird and Jordan and Kobe and all the
guys getting Lebron getting calls because they're superstars.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
It doesn't mean that should be the case.
Speaker 15 (32:10):
A goaltending calls A goaltending call in basketball, right should
be no matter who the guy is blocking a shot
in football? Why is it that the Brady's or or
the Stars are supposed to get more calls in the backup? Hell,
the backup needs more calls because he's not as good.
There is that perception maybe they've earned ooh, a different look.
When Tony Gwynn took a pitch umpires if they were
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sitting on the fence called at a ball, Well, it's
Tony Gwynn, and I understand that similar feeling here.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
I don't want to diminish because listen, you.
Speaker 15 (32:37):
Could slice it and be as pissed as you want
about the Chiefs and their success. They become the villain
now because people are fatigued by them. But they know
how to win. They're great, great situational football, even when
it doesn't look pretty. When the time is right, they
always make a play. And then every now and again
you'll get a call that was a phantom call. And
the perception is that's how they win all their games.
That's not true. The Texans got their ass kick because
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they gave up eight sacks. They special teams was horrible
and you let it. You know, the their offense with
Kelsey do whatever they wanted, and the bonuses that you
get a couple phantom calls on homes, you do have
to go in knowing two or three times a game
that will happen. So you're beating a twelfth man on plays.
But I think we diminished the chiefs great play and
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situational greatness.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
Because of a couple calls.
Speaker 15 (33:25):
Would they help, Yeah, if you could get them back,
and you need them going there, But that's not the
reason they keep winning. They keep winning because they got
more guts and stones at the right time than most
of their opponents. But make no mistake, they do get
superstar treatment and you and I both know it.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Okay, So moving forward, the NFL will do what in
the sliding rule or protecting the quarterback or you know,
And Mahomes is admitted that he's kind of flaunting this. Hey,
I'm kind of getting out of bound, kind of getting that,
oh I'm going to flop out of bounds or when
you slide. The NFL does have It's not a crisis,
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but it certainly is the situation needs to be tended to.
Speaker 15 (34:04):
My favorite is all quarterbacks hate to protect. They do, Dan,
You've talked to them. Quarterbacks don't like the over protection.
But I'll be damned. At the second they get a hit,
their heads snap into the officials saying, aren't you gonna
call that? And Mahomes is great at manipulating which the
rules are allowing the little oki dokee by the sideline
step and extend the ball. Know that you're over there
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slowing down. Maybe you'll get a hit, maybe you'll get
the foul. And he would get it, so he's not dumb.
He gets it. Dan. With all this talk, you know
what they're gonna do, protect the quarterbacks and players more.
That's what they're gonna do, because the lawsuits and oh
my gosh, they're gonna tell you that they're gonna watch.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
It a little better.
Speaker 15 (34:41):
When all, when when all, you can never take an
eight carrot diamond ring for your fiance and show her it,
then go give her the one carrot cubic zirconya.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
You just can't do it. And it's the same thing here.
You're not gonna go here.
Speaker 15 (34:52):
And all of a sudden, say let's back off on the injuries,
even though we all know the rules suck. We overprotect.
We've lost the integrity attackle football. And it adds to
it when superstar quarterbacks have it the bottom line for me, Dan,
I hate the feet first slide rule when you break
out of the pocket. We have so many great runners
at quarterback now that look at Jayden Daniels and Hurts
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and Allen and Jackson and Mahomes. These guys now are
so good at not only manipulating the rules, but so
good using being two dimensional players that why can't we
go back to be smart in the open field like
Elway had to do when he played with his feet
or Steve Young get down? I hate I think that
you're opening yourself up to more injuries and problems by
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keeping the feet first slide because of the ookie dope
and defensive players. Every single rule on the planet is
set up for points and a defensive player to get host.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
I'm not sure how you approach a player.
Speaker 15 (35:47):
Because the same guy that doesn't take a hit on
an open a legal hit on a quarterback in the
open field. You know what their coach says to him
on Monday watching tape. Dan, keep doing that and you'll
be looking for another job. Defenses get hosed. It's gotta change.
I doubt it will, but it should. I can't stand
the feet first slide when you leave that pocket. You
become a football player like everybody else and do what
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everybody else has to do. Protect your damn self, or
go stand on there and do what I did. Grab
gatoray and hand it to the guy who's out there
protecting himself.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
Okay, you got to.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Give me the quarterback under the most pressure this weekend.
Speaker 5 (36:20):
Well, just by playoff Pressure's sure? Not Jayden?
Speaker 15 (36:23):
Dan is all How special to see Dan? Right, boy,
the poise, everything that's been documented. I think there's you know,
he's a rookie, so I hate the word. Well, he's
on house money. You never know if you're going to
get back. So it's not him. Jalen hurts the pressure
to throw. If Philadelphia is a pressure pack city, and
if they don't throw it, well that team they're playing
can possibly make them one dimension leaving. As good as
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Barkley is, it's not Mahomes because well, he keeps piling
him up. He's chasing Brady, He's got his He just
wants more and he wants to be greedy and unt
blame him. It's gotta be Josh Allen, even after the
great season he's had. After all, he's the best player
in Lamar Jackson not to win a major in the
golf course, right Dan, It's got to be him. He's
going on the road that we've seen this movie before,
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the expectations. He's played great, he's protected the ball, he's
dressing in a phone booth every week, and he'll have
to do it again. I think it falls on him
because no matter what happens, even if he throws for
four hundred and five touchdowns, if they lose, we're gonna
walk off this field. And you know what we're gonna say,
because that's how we do is yeah, can get you
to January, but can't get you to February. Even if
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he plays like Superman this week, it falls back on him.
Speaker 5 (37:29):
And people can he say yeah, but can he get
you to February?
Speaker 15 (37:32):
Which will not be fair, but it'll be because they
can't win this game if he plays average. He's got
to play great. Most of the pressure falls on him.
One guy's too young. The other guy, I don't think
we expect to throw for three hundred yards and Jalen hurts.
It's one of these guys. And it's not Mahomes because
he's got his It's all on Allen because he's got
a Hall of fame career budding. He just doesn't have
a Super Bowl ring and this would to some validate
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that for him.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Sean Salisbury, former NFL quarterback, host of the Sean Salisbury
Shows Sports Talks.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
Have in Houston.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
I would argue and say it's Mahomes because everything he's
doing is Brady. Yes, if you get there, you got
to win. You don't know how long the gravy train lasts,
and he could have a three peat which Tom never had. Now,
all of a sudden, you're bringing in Michael Jordan. So
if you're Mahomes, now, all of a sudden, we've gone
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outside of the sport and now we're bringing up the name,
or I would Michael Jordan, who three peated twice.
Speaker 15 (38:30):
He's the best winner in sports right now, Dan, in
team sports, he really is. He's a best winner in
team sports and it may not look pretty all the time,
but he finds ways, which to me is a great trait.
There are certain guys who find ways to lose. Mahomes
finds ways to win, regardless of roster shifting and all that.
But Dan and I think maybe we could even put
in two verticals right. One is the pressure on Mahomes
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for the individual legacy chasing Brady three peat, the things
that he hasn't done, and still things you got to
accomplished to get to Brady's numbers, the wins and all
that and that legacy. But there's also the other side
that Mahomes and the team. If the Chiefs lose this game,
I doubt that very few people are going to walk
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off saying man, the Kansas City Chiefs and Mahomes. That
kind of takes some shine off mahomes career chasing, because
even Brady lost some, he even lost them even in
that undefeated season. So while there's pressure, I think for
him that inner pressure of I'm keeping track, even though
he won't tell you this, keeping track with the Brady
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chase that exists, the Jordan Chase, the Tiger Woods Chase.
I do think that's relevant Dan and applies here. But
as an overall team, I think the pressure of a
city are expectations. Buffalo also having been to four in
a row and even the great Jim Kelly, they didn't
win one of those. I think that part when it
comes to the team, adds the extra team pressure to
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Josh Allen and a guy who is so good, but
hasn't been validated with the Super Bowl appearance.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Give me the hochho benefits the most from a Super
Bowl win.
Speaker 15 (40:03):
Well, we already know that Andy Reid's the best coaching
football right now, and he's he's in a chase mode too.
But I think we've already got him as he's a surefire,
no brainer Hall of famer and.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
He catch can he catch Belichick? We're talking about Mahomes
so right, like it's a package deal that if one
catches one, then the other one catches one.
Speaker 8 (40:24):
Dan.
Speaker 15 (40:25):
There's a lot of wins to go in that category,
isn't there. You gotta be a little lucky to get
to the Belichick shoela but canny.
Speaker 5 (40:32):
Yeah, depends on how long Andy Reid wants to do it.
Speaker 15 (40:34):
And if he has a guy that wears number fifteen's
pretty good over the next decade, Yeah, I think. But
he's got his ring now. That pressure existed when Andy
came from Philly. It's not on it's not on Quinn.
He's still you know, building his team.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
Yeah, but he would be able to make up for
twenty eight to three.
Speaker 15 (40:49):
There is no doubt after being down to Brady himself
that would be great validation. I think because of the
pressure they've been there before last year, losing coordinators and
everybody even had him at the beginning of the season.
If they struggle, we're going to fire him. The Nick
Sirianni thing and the pressure of Philly, I think that
I'm gonna put it on him, and I think Sean
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McDermott as well in the AFC, you can pick six
and one half dozen in the other because he too
has had really good teams. They've knocked on the door
and have been there at least Syrian he's been to
his and Plus you know McDermott's going against the guy
who was his mentor and the guy who had him
on his coaching staff in Philadelphia. So probably it's Buffalo
Philly for sure. I don't think it exists other than
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the inter fight for Dan Quinn. But Andy Reid.
Speaker 5 (41:34):
There's always pressure. It's on all of them.
Speaker 15 (41:36):
But Andy Reid's career is not going to be diminished,
or we're not going to say, yeah, he's not Belichick
if he loses a Super Bowl or doesn't get there.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
Good to talk to you as always, Sean, Thanks for
joining us.
Speaker 5 (41:45):
Great to talk to you. Dan appreciate you and enjoy.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show week days at nine am Eastern six am
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Speaker 4 (41:57):
It's Dan interviewing Dan in New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
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Dan Interviews, Dan Levittard and vice Versa. Levittard will join
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This is gotten to the brink. This is a push
(42:22):
to shove out the door. And the question is where
Jimmy Butler lands going to be suspended once again? Eight
seven seven three DP show email address DP at Danpatrick
dot com, Twitter handle at DP show Todd. Why are
you sending me a picture right now?
Speaker 8 (42:39):
I said it during the break, Okay, I.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Just saw it. So it's during the show you sent
me a picture.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (42:46):
I was going to send that after the show, but I.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Just okay, okay, but I'm doing the show and then
you send me, so you send me an email. I
think it might have something to do with this final hour.
Speaker 8 (42:54):
Which it should. You would think it would be for
something like that.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
Okay, he sends me a picture of a woman on
a game show last night last night, he says, super
cute and then.
Speaker 8 (43:07):
Her name, And I think I've seen the show before, Like.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
My wife has seen the show. I have not seen
the show. I don't think anybody in here has.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
Seen the show.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
It's a very good show, The Marvelous Missus masl very
fun show.
Speaker 11 (43:23):
So Rachel, she was one of the celebrity contestants on
Jeopardy with Seth Green and Margaret Schoe.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Okay, and I was just taken the back. How does
this help our show?
Speaker 11 (43:34):
It does not, But because we do pop culture things
and went at that X's and o's the type of
sports show, and we talk about music and other but.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
This isn't for the show.
Speaker 8 (43:43):
It is not for the show unless you want it.
Speaker 4 (43:45):
But but we do pop culture, so it's kind.
Speaker 8 (43:48):
Of for the show.
Speaker 11 (43:49):
But Rachel Brosnahan is beautiful, and I was just I
couldn't stop watching.
Speaker 8 (43:53):
And I have no idea what the clues.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
Were or who was taken a back.
Speaker 11 (43:57):
Oh I almost thought she was pretty, but like a
reason last night, and then I happened to mention it
to my wife.
Speaker 8 (44:02):
She didnt appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
But why didn't you send it to everybody? If our
show is about pop culture and we could all share it,
I could have, but.
Speaker 11 (44:08):
I sent it to you because I thought maybe you'd
make a guessing game out of it. Who does Fritzy
have a crush on? From Celebrity Jeopardy last night?
Speaker 8 (44:14):
Or something? Then they can kind of weigh in. Sometimes
you like to make a little game thing out of it.
Speaker 6 (44:18):
Oh man, I was really hoping we would play that
game today too, Who does Todd have a crush on?
From Celebrity Jeopardy last night?
Speaker 8 (44:24):
And I thought you had seen it so that you'd
appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (44:26):
No, I don't hope we would do that. I don't
watch Jeopardy. I don't want it.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
But we can play the game of who else you
have a crush on? But it's always local anchor women.
Speaker 8 (44:36):
Jessica Alba and the God.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Jessica Alba gets separated from her husband and Todd goes, hey,
I got.
Speaker 5 (44:44):
Shore to hear the news.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
I go what he goes? Jessica Alba getting separated, go Todd?
Speaker 11 (44:48):
I got a hall pass from the wife and actually
brought that up. If you think you could make something
like remotely happen and go.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
For Does anybody have a hall pass aside from Todd,
like an actual hall pass?
Speaker 6 (45:01):
I think it's right located right next to the divorce.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
Yeah, a whole pass.
Speaker 8 (45:08):
I put it in my katuba.
Speaker 11 (45:09):
Look the little Hebrew agreement to the legal binding green
when you get married. That said, unless Jessica Albert is
involved in the mix and then you get passed.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
How do you think she would react to this and
just saying yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh I can wait.
Speaker 4 (45:24):
Wait, Todd's got a whole pass? Are you kidding?
Speaker 8 (45:27):
Why? May be one of the reasons why there's a separation.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
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Speaker 8 (45:40):
Don't you believe in manifesting things if you believe something
or not.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
I believe in manifest destiny. That's what I believe in,
whatever that means. Uh So we'll talk to Levitard here
in a moment. The Jets get Aaron Glenn. He at
least knows what he's walking into, and I think that
this is a good hire for somebody who knows what
he's getting into. A lot of upside there paid his dues,
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and I think that they got a really good candidate here.
The Bears introduced Ben Johnson. All I wanted to see
or hear was his personality, and I thought he had
a good line. He said, Hey, NFC North, you got
to deal with Dan Campbell, Kevin O'Connell, and I gotta
be really honest, I enjoyed beating Matt Lafleur twice a year.
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I don't know if everybody laughed when he said that,
because we did talk about this is the forced laughter
press conference where you introduce him. Local media's there when
he delivered the line. I didn't hear laughter, and I
thought it was a good line. But Ben Johnson is
in town ready to go with the Chicago Bears. See
(46:46):
you still have the Cowboys, Jags, Raiders, Saints that are
open for business. Final hour poll question is going to
be what seton?
Speaker 6 (46:54):
Well, let me update you. We kind of left the
audience hanging a little oh earlier. Oh yeah, who's coaching
legacy changes more with a Super Bowl win this season,
Andy Reid, Steve Spagnolo, Dan Quinn, Sean McDermott, Nick Sirianni
or Kellen.
Speaker 4 (47:09):
Moore throwing in coordinator.
Speaker 6 (47:11):
Yeah, right now, we've got I think, for the first
time ever, a three way tie. Oh Okay, Andy Reid,
Dan Quinn, and Sean McDermott are all tied.
Speaker 4 (47:20):
Okay for first I think you could make a case
for all of them. How about that?
Speaker 5 (47:23):
All right?
Speaker 2 (47:24):
We mentioned a little bit last hour, the mess that
is Jimmy Butler in the Miami heat. What about that
heat culture? They have a heat culture. Dan Lebotard, host
of Metal Lark Media's The Dan LeBatard Show with Stu Gotts,
the voice of Miami Sports. Mister Miami. You look at
that face and you see Miami. Good morning, Dan.
Speaker 14 (47:45):
You look at that face and you see empty calories.
Speaker 16 (47:49):
I'm offended and I'm hurt, and I'm a little bit sensitive, okay,
because I do everything I can.
Speaker 14 (47:56):
To curry favor with you.
Speaker 16 (47:57):
I send you no gifts that get put foot in
a backfridge during the holidays, and that doesn't get seen
for several days. And you only call me when there's
some sort of mess in Miami where someone's pooping on
the floor, or what needs to happen that I get
a phone call from you and your show at one
point during my show. That isn't you just calling to
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laugh at me because of something that you think should
embarrass me about Miami sports.
Speaker 4 (48:27):
I'm not here to embarrass you.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
I'm here to have you enlighten us on what this
means for heat culture. Jimmy Butler, your good friend pat Riley,
Hall of Fame coach in waiting, Eric Spolstra, what.
Speaker 4 (48:42):
Is going on?
Speaker 16 (48:43):
Okay, I will say that you call me when the
offensive line coach is doing blowoff his desk.
Speaker 4 (48:50):
That is true, idees, that is no.
Speaker 16 (48:51):
I know it's true. It's every time something like this.
But okay, I will. I will entertain you coming and
dining on. Let's laugh at the Miami things. This is
a mess. Unlike any in pat Riley's career. He now
suffers from the thing that you know they benefited greatly
from from twenty ten to twenty fourteen, which is the
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player taking over.
Speaker 14 (49:14):
The league with his power. And you've got a mess. Stan.
Speaker 16 (49:18):
The most interesting part of this to meet today is
you have a legend and ego at the top of
the sport that is a dinosaur where he regards authority,
and he is fully capable of making this a very
unpleasant workplace filled with pettinesses that will suspend Jimmy Butler
for the act of embarrassing him and his way in public.
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So it is rare that the superstar is met with
someone with the ego power and job stability to say, Okay,
you want to fight about this, I'm going to make
your next couple of months really unpleasant.
Speaker 2 (49:52):
But if the end result is going to be trading him,
I'm guessing I don't think they can coexist.
Speaker 4 (49:59):
Why not it?
Speaker 2 (50:00):
Now like is Riley extracting something from Jimmy Butler to say,
all right, I'm gonna make you pay for a little
while and then I'll give you what you want.
Speaker 16 (50:08):
I don't know the answer that question because it's a
very private organization. Pat Riley's job is to get the
best deal for Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 14 (50:19):
Pat Riley is petty enough, I believe to be like
all things being pretty close to equal. Yeah, I'll take
some of.
Speaker 16 (50:27):
Those players I get wherever it is in Utah that
I get them, and I might send you for a
couple of weeks to a place you don't really want
to go, because go bleep yourself.
Speaker 4 (50:38):
He could send him to Toronto.
Speaker 16 (50:42):
I saw eight trade scenarios, and I didn't think that
was possible in even my hypothetical imagination, given what it
is that we're talking about, but there is. Look, I
have watched this for many years. I once thought that
Juwan Howard's contract was untradeable. There is no such thing
evidently in this.
Speaker 14 (51:00):
But if it's Jimmy Butler for Bradley Beal.
Speaker 16 (51:03):
It's the two most difficult contracts to trade in the sport.
There are no untradeable ones, but well.
Speaker 14 (51:10):
There is one.
Speaker 16 (51:11):
In Bradley Beal's case, that's no trade he's got to
agree with it.
Speaker 14 (51:15):
And in Jimmy Butler's case that.
Speaker 16 (51:18):
Malcontent demanding extension at thirty five when he's already making
forty million and can opt into fifty million.
Speaker 14 (51:28):
It's an interesting.
Speaker 16 (51:29):
Scenario to watch play out Dan that Jimmy Butler is
willing to torch what was his relationship with the Heat
fan base in a way that Damian Lillard wasn't willing
to do. Otherwise we might not be talking about any
of this because they actually got Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 14 (51:43):
The help that he's wanted for a while.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
But I keep wondering how this started that whether it
was they didn't trade for pieces with the Miami Heat,
or Jimmy's getting to the point where I'm worth more
than this. This is my last chance for a contract.
Which one is it?
Speaker 4 (51:58):
Of those two?
Speaker 16 (52:00):
The greatest reason for divorce and the end of love
is always money. It's number one.
Speaker 14 (52:07):
It's when you look at.
Speaker 16 (52:09):
Divorces, money finances is the number one reason. Given It's
also I've said this, divorce is the number one reason.
Speaker 14 (52:18):
That love turns to hate.
Speaker 16 (52:20):
And when you start mixing business with this stuff, all
of a sudden, everybody gets in their feelings and gets hurt.
When you ask about help for the Miami Heat, Dan,
I could say that this is a team and a
culture of maximum overachievers, and Tyler Hero and Bam Autebayo
and Jimmy Butler all at the ceilings of whatever is
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possible for their skill set. And that made a Jimmy
Butler better than any of us thought he was. Because
I'm guessing you're a sports expert. When Jimmy Butler got here,
neither you nor I thought he could be the number
one player on a team that would get to the
final or close to the finals, and that happened here.
And then you get into the Belichick Brady stuff of
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who's responsible for it, who gets the credit for this,
who gets the money for this? Hey, Jimmy, why is
it that you were the best Jimmy here that there
ever was? Pat Riley would say, well, I'm the reason
for that. I'm the reason that Lebron was the best
Lebron here. I'm the reason that Dwayne Wade was the
best Dwayne Wade here. I'm the reason that Tyler Hero
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and Bam Autebayo on everyone is overachiever. I'd ask you
this question, actually, Dan, what other basketball franchise do you
feel like you have empirical proof they make players better
in a way that's obvious. Organizationally, they take players who
aren't all that good, and all of a sudden I
see them be better than they actually have ever been. Well,
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I don't have I don't have a lot of answers
as to who comes second there.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
But that's what I don't understand that why wouldn't Jimmy
want to stay in an organization that makes him better
unless he feels like he's got as good as he
can get there now he wants to get out to
get that last contract.
Speaker 16 (54:04):
Yeah, it's just dollars. But I've stopped during the last
fifteen years Dan of totally understanding some things about the
player empowerment movement, like the following. For example, I think
it would be a great deal of fun to dominate
basketball with my friends, the people I care about the most.
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But Kevin Durant got tired of Draymond Green after four
years when they made it really easy to play basketball.
You're a basketball player, you love basketball. You're also a
team player. You're somebody who's always gotten along with egos
that you have to interact with. How would it go
for you if I told you, hey, Dan, here's four
years of total dominance. It's going to be the most
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beautiful basketball you've ever seen. You get to pass to
Stephan Clay, you gotta play with Draymond. But it's gonna
be easy, the easiest thing in the world to be dominant.
Would you get bored with that after four years? If
winning was the goal? No, Why did the heat thing
blow up after four years with everyone tired at about it?
And why are you, Donnis Haslam and Mike Miller saying
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after the fact, there was no joy in that. For me,
that wasn't fun. It was just all expectations pressure. I
didn't like to go to work. The fun was when
we got the parade. But I didn't like fighting with everybody.
I don't get it, Dan. I thought the point if
you were going to get together with your friends to
win and then one I thought that that was the point,
But it's not always the point.
Speaker 14 (55:24):
Money gets in the way of that.
Speaker 4 (55:26):
I feel like I riled you up here. I didn't
mean to rile you up.
Speaker 2 (55:29):
I just wanted to give our audience a better understanding
of maybe behind the curtain here. But I do like
you riled up. You're like I like riles, and I
like you riled up.
Speaker 14 (55:40):
You do it on purpose.
Speaker 16 (55:42):
You're a professional agitator disguised as a professional pillar.
Speaker 14 (55:46):
It's infuriating, thank you. It's something.
Speaker 16 (55:49):
Yeah, well, but you've got the masses full to everybody see,
they don't see the dark undercurrents beneath the statuesque perfection
that is your television broadcasting.
Speaker 2 (55:59):
Thank you, Well, it'll be on display in New Orleans. Segue,
that'll be February fifth. It'll be Dan interviewing dat more
of this. People are going to be able to have
more of this in New Orleans. Tickets are still available
a Dan Patrick dot com and the location Tippatinas in
New Orleans.
Speaker 14 (56:20):
Thank you.
Speaker 16 (56:21):
I'm very excited to do this with you, and I
will say for you because I've told you I want
you to write a book. I want people to know
more about your career. I want people to know yet
more about you than even your audience knows, and they've
gotten to know you over the last twenty years.
Speaker 2 (56:35):
Is there going to be an open bar at this den?
I mean I think I'm gonna need it.
Speaker 14 (56:41):
Uh, You're going to endure this.
Speaker 16 (56:43):
You're going to suffer this with me, just because it's
just going to be me showering you and compliments the
whole time as you make me.
Speaker 14 (56:50):
Feel less than. Oh look how it delights him. Look
how me being less than delightsim.
Speaker 4 (56:57):
Hey, my best to your staff.
Speaker 14 (57:02):
And they're they're there. There's some turmoil here right now
with my staff. Did not like so much that this
was just a Dan and Dan appearance.
Speaker 2 (57:12):
I just needed you. I didn't need people in parrot outfits.
Or Stu Gott's promoting his book, or Mike Ryan telling
me whatever he wants to tell like I didn't. I
didn't need that. This is just me and you. You've
called you guys are quiet. My guys never go hey,
what about us? We need to talk right.
Speaker 16 (57:33):
You have caused me a great many problems with this
group of people by insisting that.
Speaker 2 (57:40):
You boo they want to be on your show, Dan,
I didn't have the dan etsa on during this segment.
Speaker 4 (57:49):
They're not complaining, they're professionals.
Speaker 8 (57:54):
I'm like, gotten a couple of weeks.
Speaker 4 (57:56):
Shut up, Tom, shout out Dan. I'll see you.
Speaker 2 (58:07):
I'll see you in a week or so, week and
a half or so.
Speaker 16 (58:10):
I'm looking forward to this Wednesday, February fifth, seven pm.
By the time I finished this sentence, that's going to
be close to sold out. So people need to need
to get over to Danpatrick dot com or Tippotinas dot com.
Speaker 14 (58:22):
It's gonna be fun, Dan. Thank you,