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January 24, 2025 83 mins

On today's Dan Patrick Show, DP previews the NFL playoffs. Can this be the beginning of sustained success for the Commanders? Tampa Bay Times Reporter Rick Stroud sheds light on the Buccaneers' fallout with OC Liam Coen and how the whole situation unfolded. Former NFL LB Clay Matthews opens up about his journey from USC walk-on to NFL stardom and expresses disappointment regarding physicality in today's NFL. ESPN NFL Analyst Booger McFarland highlights Pete Carroll's potential impact with the Raiders and details strategies the Commanders should take to stop the Eagles' run game. Ohio State HC Ryan Day reminisces on winning the National Championship this week and addresses the challenges of NIL in today's college football landscape. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
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Speaker 3 (00:05):
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be a spicy Friday in more ways than one. We
got a busy show. Our good buddy, Clay Matthews. He'll
join us a little bit later on. Booker McFarlane stops by,

(00:27):
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from Ohio State, will stop by. There's something brewing in
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to entertain you, at least try to entertain you.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Monday through Friday.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Odds to win the Super Bowl according to DraftKings this
morning Eagles, then it's the Chiefs, then it's the Bills,
and then it's the Commanders.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
You're going to.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
Get wishful predictions. I talk about wishful reporting. Sometimes we
want something to happen because it makes our job easier.
There's wishful predictions. I think you're going to find a
lot of people who think the Commanders and the Bills
are going to win this weekend. Now, I don't know
if they really think they're going to win. They're hoping

(01:47):
they win because we can be chiefed out. You're going
to be eagled out too. But with Buffalo, you're like,
all right, they finally did it. That was a nice
reaction from.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
You, Marvin. Thank you.

Speaker 5 (02:00):
I was into it.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
You left your microphone on.

Speaker 5 (02:04):
Oh did you hit it?

Speaker 2 (02:06):
I liked it.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
It's like church, yeah, yeah, Jesus.

Speaker 6 (02:20):
Yes, going to the Catholic church. It is a culture
shock with you we don't do that with your spirit. Yeah,
we don't do the no at all. There's no amen,
no hallelujah, no praise be to Jesus.

Speaker 5 (02:37):
So nothing, Okay, just sit here.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yes, wait, are you guys having a good time? And
now you can shake hands?

Speaker 7 (02:44):
Here's the money basket.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:48):
Oh boy, not a lot of joy I remember growing
up and I said to my mom, like.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Are we supposed to have fun? And she goes, no,
we're in church.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
I go, well, but isn't a joyous isn't abration?

Speaker 2 (03:00):
She goes, no, you're in church. Like her answer was no,
you're in church. I'm like okay.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
I then went to a church with a friend of mine.
This is years ago, and they they had a great time.
They had music. They you know, the guitar mass you
know they had they've had drums. I'm like, okay, I
could get into this.

Speaker 6 (03:24):
Yes, ma, yes, the musicians are professional, like legit. They
get paid to play at church and it is serious.
So the church that we went to with my wife,
it was forty five minutes. Praise in worship where you
just sing was an hour and ten minutes.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
I like that.

Speaker 6 (03:43):
I mean they were killing it too. That bas paid
that bass player was on fire.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
I went to a Mass one time or no, it
was just a I guess it's not mass, it's just
the service service, okay.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
And my wife said, hey, it's new Age. Are you
open minded?

Speaker 3 (04:01):
I said yeah, anything that adds a little joy to this.
I'd sit there and I'd be like, I'm gonna get
yelled at. When I was a kid, went to church
every single morning. When I was at school, every morning
we went to church, had to get all dressed up.
I remember just sitting there and then you go into
the confessional like everything is damn. I'm in trouble already.
I was born with a sin, Like how did this happen?

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Mom? What did I do? You're in church? I'd be like,
all right, I'm in church.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
So we go to this service and it is raucous,
it is wild, and you know, even the sermon was great,
like was it was entertaining, It had energy to it,
and I'm like, can't we sprinkle a little bit of
that in to a Catholic Mass? Just give me a
little bit. And then I remember when they broke out
the guitars at my church Shreadfast Saint Susanna had folk music.

(04:55):
You know, I was waiting for Joan Biez and Bob
Dylan to come in. He answer, my friend, oh that
was a big deal. It's like we got a guitar. Yeah,
we're having fun, yes, Arvon.

Speaker 6 (05:10):
The only awkward part is when they try to get
a little life in there. They clap on the one
in the three, started the two in the four, and
it's like now no, no, no, no, no, don't stop clapping like that.
My wife starts. I was like, you stop too.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
Eight seven seven three DP show email address DP at
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Speaker 2 (05:31):
Awesome breakdown right there, Tyler sitting by Eagles.

Speaker 8 (05:36):
Eagles getting back to football.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
But in the same run the bold home mighty dang yes,
Mark what they So?

Speaker 6 (05:53):
When I was a kid, the church I went to
during football season, they started service an hour earlier so
the pastor could get home and watched the giant.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Respect like that.

Speaker 6 (06:02):
Church would be over every single Sunday during the season
at twelve thirty so he can get home and watch
his giant.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Why are we always late to church? Though?

Speaker 3 (06:11):
I never understood that. Always my family was always late
to church, and we live about I don't know three
minutes away from the church, but somehow we would be late,
or you get the people come in and they're they
get it right, you know, for the homily, or they

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leave right after communion because those people have mastered it communion.
You're walking back, walking back, not gonna go into.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
The pew sea.

Speaker 8 (06:40):
Yeah, but those are the people that also everybody noticed that,
Oh John left you. Okay, that's something that like my
grandmother would have been all over that Sunday before dinner.
I would have already gotten the call from my mom.
Hey my mom saw you leave church after communion.

Speaker 9 (06:58):
But yes, ud it seems it's like in the box,
if you're showing up late regularly and or leaving early,
you want to do just enough so you don't go
to hell.

Speaker 10 (07:07):
I technically was here.

Speaker 5 (07:08):
What if the minimum I.

Speaker 9 (07:09):
Can do to show my face and still be in
good you know, good graces?

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Yeah Lord, Yeah, yeah, you walk out right after communion.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
Plus when you have to turn around and you have
to shake everybody's hand, like how far do you go
down the road where you're going to shake everybody's hand?
Like I like to just kind of acknowledge, like a yeah,
but you know, my wife is a oh oh, yes, peace.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Be with Yes, yes you do the peace be with
you head nod, Yes, that's big. Yeah, I did dap.

Speaker 10 (07:37):
I did dap.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
The other day.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
My wife goes, you should shake his hand. I go, nah,
I don't think so on. Just a little dap. Yeah, yes,
I wish you piece, but yeah.

Speaker 7 (07:47):
Not so much.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
He I'll shake your hand, Yeah, I'll light them out. Yeah,
just a little dap.

Speaker 9 (07:51):
We've got work in one of those complicated athlete handshakes
that they do just to say, how hip there?

Speaker 2 (07:56):
All right? Poll question? What do we have today's seaton?

Speaker 8 (07:58):
Let's see, we got one here from I can't believe
blank had become likable, Notre Dame commander's other.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
Okay, well commanders. I don't think we disliked the commanders,
and we didn't care about them. They didn't care about him.
You only cared about the owner. So you disliked an owner.
You didn't care like they weren't on the radar to
actually dislike.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yeah, paint, but.

Speaker 11 (08:22):
The Daniel Snyder stink was all over that franchise the
past two decades, and you felt bad for like Ron
Rivera and the different quarterbacks, and it made you almost
like you said they're off the radar, but generally dislikable.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
It's so much so because of their owner.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
Well, nobody disliked the commanders because they didn't threaten you,
They didn't bother you, like go Lee. They got to
live with that guy. You know, if your owner is
not a good guy in their winning, then that's different.
But I look at the Commanders, is like they didn't
they didn't factor into my life. It was like, oh yeah, commanders, Okay,

(08:57):
those uniforms are kind of nice.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
All right, who's their coach?

Speaker 9 (09:00):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Okay, yes see. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (09:02):
I feel like there are some teams that you are,
like you being people actively dislike.

Speaker 7 (09:08):
For sure.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
I know I have teams that I absolutely do not like.

Speaker 8 (09:11):
But then there's other teams that you're just sort of
apathetic about, like whatever, Like the Raiders. For me, I'm
kind of like, oh yeah, all right, let's see if
they could figure it out or not. The Browns, all right,
let's see if they could figure it out or not.
I would put the Commanders in that scene things like,
oh what, but now it looks like maybe they did
figure it out.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
All right, great, But that's why people have wishful predictions.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
This weekend.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
I think they're just hopeful that the Chiefs aren't back
in the Super Bowl. I don't know if they really
believe Buffalo can win. I mean, it's a two point spread,
so we wouldn't be shocked if Buffalo won. I think
there would still be an element of surprise if that.
The Bills be KMP City in Kanpas City. The Commanders,
I think you're like, man, the Commanders are a good story.

(09:55):
And here's something that came to me yesterday, and I
hope this isn't a prediction of things to come, but
I'm thinking about the Commanders making it all the way
to the NFC title Game, and the comparison was the
Atlanta Hawks making it to the Eastern Conference Finals to
face Philadelphia when they had Treya. And of course, when

(10:19):
you like you remember that. It's one of those if
you look at the Eastern Conference Finals in previous years
and you go, oh, man, that's right, the Hawks made
the Eastern Conference Finals. The Commanders feel that way, like
they're not supposed to be here. At least it feels
like they're a year early. And Atlanta was the same
way and then Atlanta disappeared. I hope that that's not

(10:41):
the case with the Commanders. It's been a great story
with Jaden Daniels, but I think the wishful would be
nice to have somebody else in there Philadelphia and Kansas City,
and we've already seen that before. So I think you'll
have people who will say, man, I'm rooting for pulling
for prediction King Buffalo and Washington to make it into

(11:02):
the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
All right.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
Uh so that is that the poll? What other poll
questions do we have? Because I don't think people hate
the Commanders. I just don't think they like Dan Snyder.
The Commanders are a lovable team. I think now or
that that underdog feel to him, and we're fascinated by
Jaden Daniels. The other thing I thought of with Jaden Daniels,
I can't help but go back to RG three when

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he played there. He made one Pro Bowl his first year.
He was incredible and then he got hurt. And if
you see Jaden Daniels, he not a big guy. He's fast,
but he's not a big guy. There's a bigger target there.
He's a tall guy, he's wiry, no density to him,

(11:47):
Like when he gets hit, you know he's spinning and
That's what concerns me. You know, when you're looking at
longevity here, and who would have thought RG three would
not have been a Hall of Famer if you saw
in that first year he had track speed and he
was just different. You're looking at somebody who is the

(12:08):
prototype of what the league is going to be.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
And then it didn't last long after that.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
But as RG three is said on the show, their
decisions that he could have made that were smarter decisions.
Jaden Daniels has to understand that. And then I saw
where the defensive coordinator for the Commanders said, Hey, Jalen
Hurts runs the ball, We're going to hit him. Yeah,
that's what you're supposed to do. I don't think you

(12:36):
need to tell everybody that, but the defensive coordinator for
the Commander's Joe Witt Junior, said yesterday, we're going to
hit him. That's their decision if they want to get
him hit. If they don't, then keep him in the pocket. Okay.
I don't know if you need to say that. I

(12:56):
don't know if that changes anything for the Eagles and
Jalen Hurts. It's like, oh my god, wait, they're going
to hit me. I'm guessing if you get it. Look,
if I'm a defensive coordinator, I'm telling my team, if
you get a chance to take a shot, you take
a shot, do it.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Within the rules best you can.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
But if you somehow maybe go into the maybe that
wasn't a legitimate hit, that's okay, we'll take the we'll
take the penalty, I'll pay the fine. I don't know
if Buffalo would say that to their players privately with
Patrick Mahomes, but if you get a chance hit him, yeah.

Speaker 8 (13:35):
They those type of comments do seem to eventually come
back into like a bounty gate type scenario. You know, like, yes,
it's great, tell your players that and all that stuff,
but you don't really say that out loud, necessarily, not
to go too extreme with it or anything. But they
it's comments like that that eventually get twisted into something

(13:57):
that they're not supposed to be.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
Yes, if Buddy Ryan was still coaching, then we might go,
there's a bounty here, but there's no reason.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
There's no reason to say it.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
If you say it to your players, great, but saying
it to the media that means you're basically going into
the Eagles locker room and saying to Jalen Hurts, Hey,
if you run, we're hitting you. By the way, Washington's
defense against the Eagles gave up seven hundred and seventy
two yards and fifty nine points in the two games
between those two So that's what I would be a

(14:29):
little more concerned about than just making sure I hit
Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 11 (14:32):
Yes, Paul Washingt's playing the long game. They lulled them
into a false sense of security of those two games.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Mmm, they did a really good job. It is a
really good job.

Speaker 9 (14:41):
Yes, unless they're employing reverse psychology making that comment publicly.
How to even in your subconscious mind an official not
have that in the back of the mind and anything
close were like, well, they did say they were going
to kind of go after them a little bit or
treat them like a running back, and you're like, not
intentionally just putting that in the ref's ear that like,
we're going to be extra close watch how they're gonna
hit him.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
It happens so fast on the field that I don't
think an official is in the moment in a split
second going hey they're dirty. Hey, that's I mean, it
all kind of sorts itself out. I would think if
you're hitting somebody in the pocket, then that would be different. Hey,
we're gonna hit him. We're gonna hit him right as

(15:21):
he throws the ball. That would be something that I
would keep an eye on. But as far as Jalen
hurts outside the pocket, well, I mean, he is a
runner once he's outside the pocket, So I don't I mean,
I'm surprised you say it. You don't need to say it,
but you might get caught up and you're spirited, you know,
you're fiery. We're gonna if he runs, we're gonna hit

(15:42):
him like okay and get his football. I hope you do.
But do we have that sound? Can we get that?

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Marvin?

Speaker 12 (15:51):
We've had a number of these guys that they are
that we've had to prepare for. And so the one
thing is as if he's going to run the ball,
and if the coordinator makes a decision for him to
run the ball, we're gonna treat him like a running
back and we're going to hit him that way, you know.
So that's that's their decision. If they want to get
him hit the way that that he gets hit. If

(16:11):
they don't, they'll keep him in the pocket. So that's
that's what we're.

Speaker 7 (16:15):
Going to do.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
Okay, coordinators don't talk to the media like, how did
this happen?

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Where all of a sudden he's given the game plan?

Speaker 5 (16:25):
Here we dare you it hurts to run? Watch what happened?

Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah, well, giving his knee concerns, I don't know how
much he's going to run. But if you're Washington, keep
him in the pocket. Make him a thrower. That's no surprise.
All right, we'll take a break. Just getting started on
the program. By the way, decent weather for both of
these games coming up this weekend. The Jags get a coach.

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Speaker 3 (18:17):
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of The Dan Patrick Show. All right, we'll update the
poll results, and we got a situation here with Jacksonville
in Tampa. Does Jacksonville finally have their coach? And exactly
what happened. We'll retrace the last forty eight hours with
Rick Stroud coming up here in a moment. Clay Matthews

(18:38):
will join us, coming up a little bit later on
this hour. Booger McFarlane next hour, and Ohio state head
coach Ryan Day will stop by as well. The points
spread stay the same, the Eagles getting six giving six
to the Commanders and the Bills are getting one and
a half against the Chiefs. Whether for both cities should
be around the same, no snow. Expected temperatures in the thirties.

(19:01):
Obviously with the Chiefs game, it'll get a little colder
than that as the evening progresses. That kickoff is at
six thirty the Commanders and the Eagles at three Eastern
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two and recap hour one if you can, Seaton.

Speaker 8 (19:21):
Yeah, our one we put up there. This one was
from Marvin. The Super Bowl matchup you're rooting for. Your
options are Bill's Eagles, Bills, Commanders Chiefs, Commander's Chiefs Eagles.
You want to guess who people are rooting for.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Commander's Bills.

Speaker 8 (19:35):
Commander's Bills right now has fifty seven percent of the vote. Yeah,
you want to know the one that they're least looking
forward to, Chiefs Eagles.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Chiefs Eagles. Yeah, what the heck? Why am I surprised
by that? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
Those are two great teams, they are, but we want
something fresh.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
One of them has a chance to go to win
three in a row.

Speaker 5 (19:56):
I know, I know.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
We'll give you our most must win game of the
weekend coming up. A little bit later on, we.

Speaker 8 (20:03):
Switch just to be clear that they've all been must
win games for several weeks now.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
This is the most most must must win win, even
more than last week.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yes, yes, yes, there there are coaches or players that
this is the most must win game of the weekend.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
It may not be the team, it may be the person.
So I'll have that for you coming up. Rick Stroud.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
We didn't think we'd ever talked to Rick Stroud again
when Tom Brady left he retired, and here he is.
Rick Stroud, the Bucks writer, NFL beat writer, for the
Tampa Bay Times. And here we are, Rick, tell me
what happened over the last forty eight hours with the
all of a sudden object of desire Liam Cohen, Dan.

Speaker 14 (20:47):
We're the land of runaway brides man. Bill Parcells did
it twice, Chick Kelly did it once. So keep your
receipt on the crystal stemware around here. But you know, look,
Liam Cohen did a great job last year in his
first season with the Bucks on offense obviously, and so
they didn't want to leave lose him, and they knew
that he was had one interview with Jacksonville. Virtually he

(21:09):
was supposed to go up there on Wednesday. Bucks got
him to agree to a really a record contract, one
of the highest paid coordinators in football, something like four
and a half million dollars a year, but it was
contingent on him not going back to Jacksonville. And they
thought he was going to come in. There was some
talk about a zoom call with him and all this.

(21:30):
He didn't come in on Wednesday, and they didn't hear
from him from about two thirty on Wednesday till about
five o'clock on Thursday.

Speaker 15 (21:38):
He was zero dark thirty on him. So I think
they got a little suspicious, And.

Speaker 14 (21:43):
Finally he did call Todd Bowles around five o'clock on
Thursday to let him know that his kid was in
fact sick. He had been with him sometime that day.
But oh, by the way, I'm going to look back
into the Jacksonville situation, when in fact, I think that
deal was all done.

Speaker 15 (22:00):
So they were.

Speaker 14 (22:01):
They were pretty pretty upset in Tampa Bay, as you
can imagine, and now they need a new coordinator.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
I know that people have brought up his son went
to the hospital, but.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
In the court and this just looks messy.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Yeah, that he maybe his son, you know, obviously has
something going through something. His wife just posted something an
hour ago. But you still got on a plane and
went to Jacksonville.

Speaker 14 (22:27):
Correct, Absolutely he did. He didn't say he did not
tell the Bucks he was there. You know, I've talked
to many of those guys over there. They're just very upset.

Speaker 10 (22:36):
You know.

Speaker 15 (22:37):
It's just not the way you do business.

Speaker 14 (22:39):
You didn't have to sign the contract per se, and
nothing was gonna, you know, really prevent you from interviewing
for a head coaching job.

Speaker 15 (22:45):
You can't block a guy to do that.

Speaker 14 (22:48):
But you know, the whole uh interpersonal thing that that
you know, just kind of flying up there without telling
people he was gone, and then not really being you know,
fort Wright when he did tell Todd Bowles that, you know,
he's kind of looking back into him it at that point,
I think he'd already been to Jacksonville. So the timeline
is bad. You know, it's like a few good Bucks

(23:08):
and we're trying to see check the tower logs and see,
you know, when he left.

Speaker 15 (23:11):
And all that stuff. It's just it's just a mess.

Speaker 14 (23:15):
And in the bottom line is the Bucks will now
have their fourth offensive coordinator in his many years and
for Baker Mayfield it might be eight. I'm not sure
I've lost count, but so it affects them obviously next season.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
What's Jacksonville getting, Well, they're.

Speaker 14 (23:30):
Getting a guy that they better anchor down because he's
only you know, he's been to like five different places
in the last five years.

Speaker 15 (23:36):
But he's a hell of a play caller, he really is.

Speaker 14 (23:39):
He did a nice job schematically, you know, he runs
an offense that was similar to what he did in
Los Angeles with Sean McVay. He never called place till
he got to Tampa in the NFL. But he's a
great teacher and these young players, you saw them get
better each week, Bucky Irving, Jalen McMillan, guys that had
to step in when they lost Mike Evans, when they
lost Chris Godwin.

Speaker 15 (23:59):
For the season.

Speaker 14 (24:01):
And you know, he just he gives the quarterback answers,
you know, and talking to Baker Mayfield, he had some
success with Dave Canalis the year before. He called him
an optimist bully, which is what, you know, sort of
what he needed, right. But from a schematic standpoint and
play calling, Liam was at a different level. He could
go to line of scrimmage, get him out of bad place.
And you saw what Baker did right, forty one touchdowns,

(24:23):
forty five hundred yards, seventy one percent. I mean, he
was he was lights out except for too many interceptions.
But you know, I just think that they're going to
miss his ability to teach and develop and really, you know,
the schematics were so good for this football team.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Is he a head coach though?

Speaker 14 (24:40):
I don't know, you know, And and the thing about
that is as great as he was as an offensive coordinator,
you know, that's a different job. I mean, you know,
there's gonna be five things a day that you're not
prepared to have to deal with, you know, anything from
you know, your girlfriend broke up with you, your mom sick,
whatever it is, and so that's going to take away
from his game planning.

Speaker 15 (24:59):
I assume he's going to continue to try to call plays.

Speaker 14 (25:03):
But if you've got Trevor Lawrence and you're trying to,
you know, turn him around, you know, I think that
he'll he'll find a way to protect him. If they
could add some players on the offensive line, get a
run game going, He's going to do great things offensively.
But you know that's that's that's the job. The job
is much different. You're addressing the entire team. You're setting

(25:23):
the tone for the franchise and from what I understand,
and he's going to have control over who they bring
in there to to help him with personnel. So this
is not just the head coaching job, but I think
in many ways he's going to be more involved in
a lot of the player acquisitions and things like that.
So it's a it's a big lead.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
Yeah, That's why you know, if you say, look, I
don't want to come in under Trent Bulkey, I get it.
So you go back, they give you this extension, then
all of a sudden they fired Trent Maulkey. Why can't
you just say to Tampa, look, things have changed here.
They're letting me have total autonomy here. I'd be crazy
not to pay, as you know, to pass up this opportunity.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
What would the.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Buccaneers have rescinded their offer, Like, would they have moved
on from him?

Speaker 4 (26:08):
I don't know that they would have.

Speaker 14 (26:09):
I mean, I think they would have hung in there
and let him do what he wanted to do. You know,
the offer was contingent on him not taking the second interview.
I mean, I think, you know, possession is the biggest
thing here, right, don't let the guy out of the building.
And so that was the Bucks intent with it, like
we're going to make you the highest paid offensive coordinator,
but you can't take that second interview. So the minute
he decided to do that, he kind of avoided what

(26:30):
was going to be his new contract, which he never signed. So,
you know, it was just it was just a game
of subterfuge. It just it didn't make sense that you
would kind of sneak around like this. I think that's
what most people are upset about in the organization, and
believe me, they're pretty upset about it, but they'll get over.
It's going to make those joint practices with the Jaguars
really entertaining next next year, next summer.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Rick is always great to talk to you.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
Good to see it.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
Dan Rick Stroun, Buccaneers, NFL beat right for Tampa Bay Times,
co author of The Players Coach with Tom Moore from
Bradshaw Manning, Brady and Beyond, host of Sports Day Tampa
Bay podcast.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
All right, a.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Couple of phone calls in here, got our poll question
for hour two, Seaton.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yeah, well, we had the one.

Speaker 8 (27:17):
I didn't know if we were going to go back
to figuring out unlikable teams that had become likable, Okay,
because right now you kind of have the Eagles in there, who,
based on our poll results, seem unlikable.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Okay. I don't really know why, though.

Speaker 8 (27:34):
It might be their fans, Okay, no offense, maybe some.

Speaker 7 (27:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (27:41):
Are the LA Dodgers entering that category or in that
category with how they are overspending in comparison to the
rest of baseball? The Yankees had that generation ago that's
cooled the Dodgers feel like they're entering that. Geez, these
guys won't give anyone else a chance.

Speaker 7 (27:57):
Category do you.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Care if people don't like you? If I'm a Dodger fan,
I love it.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Yeah, Like you have to embrace this like Yankee fans
did in a previous generation. There are dynasties where you
just say, you're not going to like us, deal with it,
Like I don't think that the Chiefs aren't apologizing for anything, Like, Okay,
you don't like us, So did the Patriots apologize?

Speaker 2 (28:24):
No?

Speaker 3 (28:26):
Now you might say, are the Dodgers ruining baseball? Now
that's a bigger topic. But that's a topic really for
the commissioner. That's a topic for these owners of What
kind of sport do you want to run?

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (28:39):
You can spend all this money, you can defer money.
You've got all these billions of billions of dollars with
the ownership group there, you got a pipeline to players
in Japan. I mean, they're taking advantage of everything that
they have, all of their assets. But why wouldn't you? Now,
I may not like it because I want to see

(29:01):
these other you know, like i'd like for Paul's schemes
to maybe pitch in a playoff, Gamers or the you know,
the Reds. You know, to be able to be in
the postseason. You know, to see Dela Cruz on a
big stage. I would like to see that, but the
odds are will see them on a big stage in
another uniform. I'd like to be able to see teams

(29:23):
have that opportunity. I mean, the NFL goes out of
its way to make sure you have parody. They're trying
their best. You have salary caps. They change the schedule.
If you finish in first, your schedule's tougher. If you
finish in last, it's easier. They go out of their
way to keep the fan bases engaged. And that's the
only thing I worry about. Because the Dodgers are the

(29:46):
Dodgers over under for next season. This is the It
might be the highest over underwin total in recent history.

Speaker 16 (29:58):
Marvin one hundred and eight and a half, Paul one
oh two and a half ton won eleven and a
half seaton dang eleven?

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Uh, Paul, you said one O two and a half?

Speaker 8 (30:12):
Uh one O three and a half?

Speaker 3 (30:15):
Bloop Yes, one O three and a half. And according
to uh DraftKings sports book history. That's the highest over
under total for a team.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Yeah. Point.

Speaker 11 (30:27):
So the Dodgers are frustrating, but they're not dislikable because
they're players. Everyone loves Otani, he's transfixing, he's fun, Freddie Freeman,
Mookie Betts. There's not dislikable people on their roster.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
Dave Roberts their manager, right, love their uniforms gorgeous?

Speaker 9 (30:42):
Yeah, yes, don So when do they become as likable
as they may be the new evil empire?

Speaker 10 (30:46):
Or are they already there?

Speaker 9 (30:48):
And the Yankees are in the rearview mirror in the
last couple of years.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
I think they're a likable empire, like a dictator ish Yeah.
I I don't know if you dis I mean, you
may dislike the method to becoming an empire, but.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
I mean they bought those rings. Yeah yeah, but the
same with the Yankees, like go Yankees wore that a lot. Yeah,
they were that one a lot.

Speaker 6 (31:14):
Yeah yeah, Mark, can we stop with the I know
see it was making a joke buying those rings.

Speaker 5 (31:20):
No one plays for free, like you get you get
what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
So nobody plays place for free.

Speaker 7 (31:29):
I checked that He's right, is.

Speaker 5 (31:30):
That okay, Like when somebody says, oh, they bought those rings, I.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Mean I would, but the union won't let me.

Speaker 8 (31:35):
So I just gotta take this money.

Speaker 5 (31:37):
Like what does that even mean?

Speaker 14 (31:39):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (31:39):
It means you spent more than everybody else, so stupid,
go ahead, But they did.

Speaker 5 (31:46):
But that you're.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
Supposed to, Well, not everybody has the money.

Speaker 5 (31:53):
Make more money at me.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
Yeah, they have a war chest of over thirty billion dollars,
I think. And if you can say to Otani, why
don't you defer all of this money?

Speaker 2 (32:05):
Sure? I mean, how much does he need?

Speaker 3 (32:09):
And then you're going to say that to somebody else
and somebody else, and you're all in it together. You
got a chance to win, you got to play. You
can play in Los Angeles.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
They're just taking advantage of what is in front of them.
They're not changing loopholes here. Now, you might say the
deferred money might be, but still that's business strategy. When
the Yankees were spending more money than everybody else, they
were doing it, and they were making money from the
Yes network. They did something nobody else and then everybody

(32:40):
else tried to get their own network. The Yankees did
a wonderful job with that, and whether you liked it
or not, it was still musty TV and they embraced
being the evil Empire.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Yes, ton, if.

Speaker 5 (32:55):
It's legal, it's legal.

Speaker 9 (32:55):
It's like when a quarterback pretends to slide but then
they reach for that extra yard and they're not that
had bounce yet certain quarterbacks and the AFT title.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
No, I got it. I'm not sure what that has
to do with a.

Speaker 11 (33:07):
Very cryptic Todd, who are you referencing?

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Anything that's legal is legal.

Speaker 9 (33:10):
You're allowed to do this, even though the current president
of the United States has admitted to certain tax loopholes.
And people do whatever they can do as long as
it's within the law.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
What happened? Where are we going?

Speaker 9 (33:22):
I'm sever whether it's money or politics or anything whatever.
If something is legal, take it all the way. You
could take it all the way to the line, whether
your quarterback looking for that extra yard or whatever it is,
or you could spend you're allowed to spend one hundred
billion dollars on your team, then you're to go do
it if you haven't.

Speaker 11 (33:37):
Okay, Yes, yes, it's like a guy walk out of
a store and not getting charged for dishes and plates
exactly going back. It's not cheating or stealing, but it's crossed.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
That was stealing.

Speaker 8 (33:47):
Yeah, that wasn't exactly a loophole, that took advantage. That
was just straight up.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
We forgot to pay for this stuff.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
You and your wife and then you, you know, screeched
out of there.

Speaker 9 (33:57):
For a moment, we considered going back, and then we
rationalize that at least I did by these plates are
probably so overpriced.

Speaker 7 (34:02):
Anyway, you're not getting any bar.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
You broke the rules. He broke the rules. Technically, take
them back.

Speaker 9 (34:08):
And steal it.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
They gave it, but I'd take a break. I just
looked over and on my monitor, I see Clay Matthews there.

Speaker 9 (34:15):
I didn't grab the box and run out of the store,
and all the lights went on and there was alarms
going off.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
By the way, Clay Matthews looks like he's about thirty three.

Speaker 11 (34:24):
Frustrating.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Yeah, thirty three. All right, let me take a break.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
We'll talk to Clay Matthews Junior the third and we'll
get phone calls coming up as well.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
We're back after this.

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Speaker 3 (35:44):
More phone calls coming up. The most must win game
of the weekend. I have that for you coming up
as well. Ryan Day, Ohio state head coach in an
hour from now. The Jags they lost their possible head coach,
then they got their head coach, and Liam Cohen going
to the Jacksonville Jaguars after saying he wasn't going to

(36:05):
go there, then went back to Tampa. Then they fired
the GM Trent Bulke, and then he went back to Jacksonville,
and now I guess he's agreed in principle to be
their new head coach. So that leaves Cowboys, Raiders, and
the Saints. I don't know if anybody's looking for somebody
who's still in the playoffs, but that might be the case,

(36:25):
except for the Cowboys might be hiring Brian Schottenheimer, although
I guess they reached out to Pete Carroll. Pete Carroll
was Clay Matthews coach at US City. In fact, Pete
Carroll said, the greatest mistake at SC was not starting
you until your fourth game of your senior year.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Is that correct?

Speaker 5 (36:45):
That's right?

Speaker 3 (36:46):
Why did it take that long for him to realize
what he had in you.

Speaker 5 (36:52):
They were.

Speaker 17 (36:55):
We at the time had, you know, littered with five
star recruits, blue chip athletes. In fact, my senior year,
Everson Griffin came in and Pete had named him or
he had said that Everson could be playing in the
NFL as a freshman, so he was playing in front
of me. So I think it was just you don't
see a walk on go from being a walk on
to starting for the number one ranked defense in the country.

Speaker 5 (37:17):
So I think that was the ultimate hang up.

Speaker 17 (37:19):
And it took a loss to Oregon State on Thursday
night for me to actually break the lineup. And if
we had never lost, that was our only loss of
the season. Who knows what the history books, you know,
who knows what would have happened.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Why did you walk on at us D?

Speaker 5 (37:33):
I had no offers. I had no offers.

Speaker 17 (37:35):
I lied to a few people when I got to
sc because I wanted to fit in.

Speaker 5 (37:40):
They're like, oh, you know, where did you have offers
to the class? I picked some lowly packed ten schools.

Speaker 17 (37:45):
I said, Arizona, Arizona State, even I even ventured to
say Idaho.

Speaker 5 (37:49):
But I didn't have any.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Well, when did you realize you could play at a
high level.

Speaker 17 (37:55):
It was probably my third year there some my red
shirt sophomore year, I started getting on some special teams
and making some plays kickoff, punt, just kind of had
a knack for it and ended up winning Special Teams
Player of the Year that year as well as the
following two years. So after that year, I felt like
I could play. But you know, to say that I

(38:17):
would have been a first round.

Speaker 5 (38:18):
Draft pick, I would have been lying to you.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
You're a six time pro bowler and the Packers' all
time sack leader. Has your name been mentioned for a
Hall of Fame?

Speaker 5 (38:28):
I'd like to think so.

Speaker 17 (38:29):
So this year I was I was shocked when my
name wasn't one of the one hundred and seventy guys
or however that works.

Speaker 5 (38:37):
And I had my agent.

Speaker 17 (38:39):
Look into it because I thought I at least deserved
the opportunity to be within that group of gentlemen. And
apparently you have to have somebody nominate you, and the
person who was the Packers, you know, who heads the Packers,
wasn't aware that my five years since retiring was up,
so I just got skipped over, and he assured my

(39:01):
representatives that next year that wouldn't be an issue. But
that leads to another conversation, which is, you know the
process of nominating people. I mean it's it's let's just say,
cooler heads, you know, prevail.

Speaker 5 (39:14):
Just because I was a little I was a little
hot about it.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
Well it's tricky though, because it should be. If somebody
says your name and then you go, yeah, hall of famer.
But now we see it where you're not a Hall
of Famer now, but in four years you might be
a Hall of Famer. You didn't play any more games,
So I don't know. I don't know how that worked.
Like Sterling Sharp. I think Sterling Sharp's a Hall of Famer.

(39:42):
I mean he if we're going to put Terrell Davis
in injury shortened career or Gail, I mean he was incredible.
He won the Triple Crown. I think maybe the first
guy to win the receiving Triple Crown.

Speaker 5 (39:53):
Yeah, Dan, we went through this with my dad.

Speaker 17 (39:55):
As a matter of fact, So my dad nineteen year career,
you know, four time Pro bowler, just most games played
by a linebacker.

Speaker 5 (40:06):
I might have the most tackles by.

Speaker 17 (40:08):
A linebacker up there with seou But he played for
a small market in Cleveland for sixteen years and never
won a championship, and wasn't you know, big on promoting himself.
And ultimately, for the first twenty four years he would
make you know, the top seventy five, top twenty five.
And it wasn't until the last couple of years when
my sister really I got to give her credits. She
really started campaigning, politicking. Where the last year, the twenty

(40:32):
fifth year, my father finished sixth. The voters came out,
you know, they told her confident, like, hey, he was
just he was in that top ten but finished six
So like you had said, he didn't play anymore games.
He didn't do anything different within those twenty five years
since retiring in ninety six. Yet somehow he was, you know,
a couple of votes away from being enshrined into the

(40:54):
you know, the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 5 (40:56):
But he didn't for you know, the twenty years before that.

Speaker 17 (40:59):
It's it's all process. But I do understand what you're saying.
There's guys who are you know, sure doubt or excuse me,
no doubt, surefire Hall of famers, and then there's those
who you know, kind of have to wait.

Speaker 5 (41:09):
A little bit.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
What did it break your dad's heart? Now?

Speaker 17 (41:15):
He's uh, he's always said that he's at peace with
his career, and he means that, you know, and fortunately
I got to model, you know, my game after his.
And so when I got out of the game, we
none of us ever, you know, we're always ushered out,
you know, never on our own terms, very rarely. And
so I think that has allowed not only myself not

(41:36):
to make this about myself, but just watching him and
how he left the game, so to speak, you know,
conduct himself.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
Really talking to Clay Matthews, super Bowl champ with the Packers,
six time Pro bowler joining us on behalf of COLT.
We'll get to that here in a moment. Last time
you talked to Aaron Rodgers was when.

Speaker 5 (41:56):
Well he text every once in a while.

Speaker 17 (41:58):
I want to say it was it was the louder
part of this season, but it was nothing, nothing more
than you know, inside.

Speaker 5 (42:04):
Jokes and humor. I'm sure he needed that at that
point in this season.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
So it's not a conversation.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
It's not a close relationship.

Speaker 17 (42:15):
I mean, it's it's close, but I mean I'm not
I'm not gonna ask him in the middle of the
season or the latter parts of the season, like, hey,
what are you thinking for next year? Are you gonna
stick with the Jets? You going to the Vikings? I mean, what,
you know, what's going on here? So I'm sure I'll
find out like everybody else. But you know, as we know,
he's an enigma.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Was he that way?

Speaker 15 (42:32):
Though?

Speaker 2 (42:33):
In Green Bay? We just it wasn't put on, you know,
a national stage for us.

Speaker 5 (42:38):
Well when you say was he that way? What are
you what are you referring to?

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Enigma?

Speaker 5 (42:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (42:43):
No, he was, Yeah, different in difference, not I don't
mean that in a negative connotation.

Speaker 5 (42:49):
He's always been different.

Speaker 17 (42:49):
I've always said, you know, you you compare him to
some of these other quarterbacks, the uh, these the I'm
gonna call them the.

Speaker 5 (42:57):
Raw raw guys. And I don't mean that in a
negative way.

Speaker 17 (42:59):
But you know leaders of team who you know, bring
the huddle together, Drew Breeses, the Peyton Mannings. I always
compared him growing up in La to Kobe. You know,
if you wanted to be great and you wanted to
be better, you would gravitate towards him and he.

Speaker 5 (43:14):
Would bring you in.

Speaker 17 (43:15):
And that's why you saw the relationships he had with
Jordy Nelson, Davante Adams, Greg Jennings. You know, they they
were elite at the time, and he was able to
form that chemistry because those guys had such.

Speaker 5 (43:26):
A strong bond.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
So he led by example.

Speaker 17 (43:31):
He led by absolutely, he led by example. I mean
practice was so competitive, so much fun. I mean, he
was trying to go at us. It wasn't this you know,
lovey dovey, you know, hey, you'll get him in the game.

Speaker 5 (43:43):
It was we were going after each other.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
But Kobe there was a fear factor there, like Kobe
wanted to crush you, even if you were his teammate,
like you, I want you to be great.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Yeah, was Rogers like that.

Speaker 17 (43:56):
I mean it's a little different when you're auditioning out
the ball, like you know, like Aaron was to his receivers.
But yeah, I think you know, when is enough enough?
It is four MVPs enough. I'm sure he wonted five.
And that's why I truly make that comparison to him,
because I think he wants to crush you. Now, obviously
we're on the same team, but in practice, that's no different.

(44:18):
And I'm sure you know, watching him this year. You
see those glimpses of of you know what he has,
and I don't know what that means moving forward. I
thought it was I thought for me it was pretty
telling when he walked off the field with Davante with
his arm around him, and we remember when he walked
off the field with Randall Cobb in Green Bay with
that meant So we'll see if I'm reading into it

(44:39):
too much just being a fanboy, or or what's gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
But I'd love it. Do you think he's gonna play
one more year?

Speaker 5 (44:45):
I think he should play one more year. Do I
think he will? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
What would you do if Mahomes did what he does
with the going to the sidelines or I'm gonna slide.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
I might slide. I kind of slide. So you hit them?

Speaker 17 (45:03):
Yeah, where I did hit people in twenty eighteen, that's
when the narrative change. We're talking about Aaron Rodgers. It
wasn't until Anthony Barr broke his collarbone. I want to say,
in seventeen maybe sixteen, where the shift changed and you
weren't allowed to hit the quarterback anymore. And you know
some would argue that's a good thing for the sport,
you know, keeping the Mahomes and the Josh Allens and

(45:25):
Lamar Jackson's, but they've taken full advantage of it, and
it's it's hard to man, it's hard to watch, you know,
these quarterback especially with the flopping too. It's guys making
fifty sixty million dollars getting every call, you know, having
so much success, and they're still they're dancing around the sideline,
they're sliding when they you know, become a runner. So
it is hard to watch. And I hope there's a

(45:47):
you know, an onus on changing that next year as.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Far as okay, what would you do, what would you
do the rev you know, create the rule.

Speaker 17 (45:55):
The rule is the refs need to stop calling those
plays until the quarterbacks learned that it's your one to
get hit.

Speaker 5 (46:00):
It's part of the game. It's a tough game.

Speaker 17 (46:03):
I mean the type of hits I used to deliver
on quarterbacks first eight nine years in my career versus
the last two. That's how the game should be played.
You're allowed one step, you give them a hit. If
the quarterback gets the ball late, you got to let
him know. It's no different than guys coming across the middle.
You had dbs who put hits, but now there's defensive
defenseless receivers and you see quarterbacks. You saw that Josh

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Allen Pass. I want to say in the I don't
know if it's the wild Carter divisional game where you
know he got his receiver or running back knocked out,
it was that's what's gonna happen coming across the middle.

Speaker 5 (46:35):
But I'm old school in my thought. I know that
has to change.

Speaker 17 (46:38):
I just think to answer your question, I think referees
need to keep, you know, the flags in their pocket
unless it's truly egregious. And that leads to a separate
conversation about referees.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
Did you ever have a sack or a hit on
a quarterback where he felt bad.

Speaker 5 (46:54):
Where I felt bad about it? Never? Never, Although no,
I changed, I'm sorry I thought about that.

Speaker 17 (47:00):
I didn't have a sack, but I hit Brian Hoyer
one time and I broke his arm. I broke his
forearm and I met him years later, and I apologize.
I felt I never want to injure anybody. I know
everybody says that, but truly I felt bad about that.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
But how do you apologize if it's part of the game.

Speaker 17 (47:20):
Oh, like, well, I didn't apologize at the time, but
when you see him face to face and then and
then you kind of remove the shield, the mask, so
to speak, and there's a you know, some humility and
a human element to it. But no, I didn't apologize
during the game. It wasn't like, yeah, I got him
out of the game. But you know, you never want
to hurt anybody.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
I keep saying that somebody's going to hit Mahomes and
they're going to take the penalty, they'll take the fund
and like, at some point that's going to happen here.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
I don't I don't.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
Like saying that, but the reality is somebody will eventually
say this has to stop.

Speaker 17 (47:56):
I you're right, Dan, this might I don't even know. Yeah,
so I'm dating on whether and I tell you this
but in the the two but I will. Two thousand
and fourteen NFC Championship game against Seattle, Russell Wilson threw
an interception and this was right around the time they

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were you know, these crackback hits and stuff, and I tried,
I tried to give him everything I had.

Speaker 5 (48:25):
And fortunately stuck it out.

Speaker 17 (48:27):
That's when he drank that bubbly water that got rid
of whatever head injury he had. But you're right, that
is that is what's going to happen.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
So you went out of your way, you were you
were trying to take his head off.

Speaker 17 (48:38):
I didn't go out of my way to go get him.
You'll see, he was naturally in the way. He was
trying to make the tackle, but I wasn't. I wasn't
gonna because he was a quarterback. I wasn't gonna put
my hands up. I was trying to put a hit on.
That's what we're supposed to do.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
I know, I know. Why are you yelling to be No.

Speaker 5 (48:57):
You're right, I'm sorry. I'm just tell him taking this
out on you.

Speaker 17 (48:59):
But there's this narrative now that you're a dirty player
if you hit a quarterback, you know, just because the
rules have changed so much to protect them.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Do you have a tackling dummy at the house, So like, kid,
do you need to hit somebody?

Speaker 7 (49:11):
My kids?

Speaker 5 (49:12):
My kids? Yeah, I tackle them. I wrestle with them.
We don't hit them, We tackle them. We wrestled.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
When's the last time you hit somebody?

Speaker 5 (49:20):
Oh, I didn't get my workout in this morning. But
it's been a while.

Speaker 17 (49:24):
I help out with my my five year old's flag
football team. Hey, we won the championship this year. Yeah,
I want a championship.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Yeah, I like it. Does he have a ponytail yet?

Speaker 17 (49:34):
No, no ponytail. He's he's high and tight. He goes
to a private school, so they frown on that.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
All right, tell me, but you if he wanted a ponytail,
you'd say all right.

Speaker 5 (49:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (49:46):
In fact, I probably petitioned the school and say ponytails
by Dan Patrick has me on.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Dude, you look like you're like in your mid thirties.

Speaker 5 (49:57):
It's that strong hairline.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
No, you look at you look like you could play.

Speaker 5 (50:02):
Well listen, I mean not to.

Speaker 17 (50:03):
I felt like I could still play after year eleven
with the Rams. But you know, this is a separate conversation.
I was ready to move on to be a dad.
It was my second you know, second chapter, third chet,
whatever it was in life. I was ready to be
a dad. But I felt like I could still play.
I don't know about right now, but I appreciate the compliment.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
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Award dot Com.

Speaker 17 (50:24):
Yeah, so I appreciate you first giving me the opportunity
to talk about this. It's something that means a great
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and a firearm enthusiast. But ultimately, I teamed up with
Glock this year to launch the Safety Impact Award, which
highlights the critical mission of educating everybody on safe and
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shown an exceptional commitment to safety within the firearm industry.
And it's not just me, it's Hall of Famer Joe Thomas,
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our respective non profits. I am supporting Project Child Safe,
and what we're doing is we're asking everybody to go
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Speaker 17 (51:23):
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Speaker 5 (51:30):
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So, like I said, it's something close to me, you know,
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Speaker 3 (51:42):
Great to talk to you again. I hope you're doing
well and we'll work on that Hall of Fame stuff.

Speaker 5 (51:48):
Hey, I appreciate it, Dan, thanks for having me on
always pleasure.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Thank you, bun. We'll take a break. Oh no, can't
take a break.

Speaker 11 (51:53):
One point emergency fill in the blanked in NFL news game.

Speaker 7 (51:57):
We have to do this quickly.

Speaker 11 (51:58):
Okay, here's the thing from Adam Schefter sources. The Raiders
and Blank are aiming to work out a deal to
make him the next head coach the Raiders and Blank.
Pete Carroll, He Carol's correct, what day?

Speaker 2 (52:15):
What let me take a break?

Speaker 3 (52:20):
I should bring back I should bring back Clay Matthews
to asking Pete Carroll going to the Raiders.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
All right, take a break back after this.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
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Speaker 3 (52:41):
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Speaker 2 (53:03):
If you're just tuning in.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
Pete Carroll is back in the NFL the Raiders and
Pete Carroll working on a deal, finalizing a deal to
make him the next head coach of the Raiders, reportedly
a three year deal. Booker McFarlane in the Mothership. We'll
get his reaction to this coming up shortly, and Ryan Day,
Ohio state head coach, will stop by as well. The

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Jags have a new coach. He's Liam Cohen, and he
left Tampa Bay, went to Jacksonville and then came back
to Tampa Bay, and then left Tampa Bay and then
went back to Jacksonville. And now he goes back as
the head coach. Commander's Eagles three Eastern, Bill's Chiefs six
point thirty Eastern and weather shouldn't be an issue either

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one of these places. Commander's still getting six and the
Bills are getting one and a half. More phone calls
coming up this final hour, we make way for NFL
College and ESPN College and NFL analyst Booker McFarland on
the program. Your reaction to Pete Carroll back in the
NFL coach and the Raiders booger.

Speaker 18 (54:08):
Well, I think the Raiders want stability. I think that's
the one thing you're getting when you get a veteran
coach like Pete Carroll.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
I think it's good.

Speaker 18 (54:15):
I think Pete Carroll is going to give them a
sense of okay, now we are a professional organization. Not
that they weren't well with Antonio appears, but you just
got the feeling that there was always the question are
we going to keep Antonio or are we not? I
think Pete Carroll's hire says we got our coach. I
think it's a three year deal with the team option
for the fourth, So I think Pete's in good shape.

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Now the Raiders have stability. Now comes the big question, Dan,
who's going to be the quarterback? Because I don't think
Gardner Minshew or aoc ain't O'Connell either one of them
are the answers, So now they have to figure that out.
And then I think Pete Carroll has always been a
guy that got his team to play at a maximum level.

Speaker 4 (54:52):
So I expect no different now with the Raiders.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
Okay, but as a veteran, like what is Pete Carroll
going to bring to that organization aside from SI But
I'm talking about day to day like why would Pete
Carroll be the person that they wanted. I know they
lost out on Ben Johnson, but yeah, you go from
Ben Johnson with no head coaching experience to Pete Carroll
with a lot of head coaching experience.

Speaker 18 (55:14):
Structure, been there, He's taking team to Super Bowls. Like,
Pete understands how to get it done. Pete knows what
it takes. And I think anytime you have somebody that
stands in front of the room who knows what it takes,
you automatically have buy in because you've been there, You've
done that, and so now the players know that if
we just do what Pete says, Pete will take us there.
And there's nothing better in any type of job that

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you're in. I think you will attest to this, There's
nothing better than confidence. It's amazing what happens when you
get the right people in the right place. How that
gives an organization confidence. Just look at the Washington Commanders.
They were left for dead last year. In comes Dan Quinn,
they get new ownership, they get a new quarterback, and
they're planning for a chance to go to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 7 (55:56):
Dan.

Speaker 18 (55:57):
Let that be no better example than when you get
the right people in the right spot. Now your organization
can take off. Whether the Raiders take off at that level,
we'll see, but they definitely have the right coach.

Speaker 4 (56:08):
In my opinion.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
The big difference is obviously Jaden Daniels. But is this
team's pretty much the team that was there last year
and then you add Jayden to this? I mean, is
it that simple that that kind of turnaround.

Speaker 18 (56:25):
Well, the quarterback is a big piece, and then you
bring in Bobby Wagner, you get some veteran guys, but
there's no question that the quarterback is the central piece
to that. He touches the ball every single play. Then
and when you have a guy that's a difference maker
that touches the ball every single play, Now the other
fifty two guys in the organization understand and know that

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we got a guy that can compete with the upper
echeline of the league. And I'm not saying he's better
than Mahomes of Barol Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen, but
he can't compete. And when I wake up and go
to the building every morning, man, that's a great feeling
because I know, if I do my job, we got
a chance. There's a there's a difference when you have
a guy in there. And no disrespect to Sam Howell.

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Sam Howell wasn't getting me warm and fuzzy every time
I walked in the building. Jay Daniels gives me an
opportunity to be that way.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
How do they beat the Eagles?

Speaker 4 (57:17):
Stop the run.

Speaker 18 (57:18):
They got to stop sa Kwon Barkley. And it sounds
crazy because Jalen Hurts. We've seen him go toe to
toe with Patrick Mahomes and the Super Bowl. But they
got to make Jalen Hurst beat him. They got to
make Jalen Hurst throw the football to A J. Brown
and Davonte Smith.

Speaker 17 (57:30):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (57:31):
I think it's the lesser of.

Speaker 18 (57:32):
Two evils because either one the passing game or the
running game, can get you. But I think if you
are the commanders, you've got to take away these fifty
sixty seven yard runs the sain Kwon Bark has been
putting up and make Jalen Hurts beat you. And I
think if they do that, they'll at least give themselves
an opportunity.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
Then we don't know if he's one hundred percent Jalen
Hurts right. So given that you know that knee could
be a little bonky, or do you want to kind
of wars him to be mobile as opposed to force
him to being a pocket pancer.

Speaker 18 (58:05):
Well, I think anytime he's in the pocket number one,
you want to get pressure up the middle, like with
Jonathan Allen Deron paying you want pressure up the middle,
and then you want to make him go to his left.
I think the numbers are astronomically worse when he goes
to his left, as you would expect right handed quarterback
going left. It's tougher to throw. So you want to

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make him go to his left rather than scramblin to
his right. So if I'm bringing pressure, I'm bringing pressure
from his right arm. I'm gonna make him go left.
Anything you can get to take advantage of his impairment,
because let's face it, nobody even if you don't get
your knee twisted is healthy this time of year, but
especially him when he.

Speaker 4 (58:44):
Got that knee twisted up.

Speaker 18 (58:45):
I mean, we thought maybe he wasn't going to come
back in the game last week, and then he comes
back and he finishes. I don't think he's going to
be one hundred percent. I think if you're an Eagles
fan and you're hoping he's closer to eighty five or ninety,
I would bet he's probably closer to seventy five.

Speaker 4 (59:01):
Will know early. I'm blitzing him early, and I'm going
to see whether.

Speaker 18 (59:05):
Or not he can run. And if I know early
on he can't run, that changes my entire game plan.
And so I think you're gonna see dan Quinn find
out in the first series how healthy that need is
by bringing pressure from the from the right, from his
right arm, or up the middle, make him run and
just see how healthy he is.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
What would you do as a defensive player with Mahomes
with the sliding that going out of the going out
of bounds, Dude, it feels like, you know, he knows
he's protected and he's kind of flirting with these rules here.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
But as a defensive player, what would you do.

Speaker 4 (59:40):
I think it's up to the coaches.

Speaker 18 (59:41):
Number One, pre game, I think you have a talk
to the referees like, hey, listen, we know the quarterback
is protected. However, how do you want us to handle
this when he's a runner, Because when he's a runner,
he's not protected, because again he's a runner, not a
quarterback in the pocket. But we've seen mahomes run down
the field and then slide twenty or thirty yards down
the field. And so I'm having a talk with the

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referee just to say, hey, let's alert and be on
alert for the late slide because if I'm already in
my tackling motion, I can't stop. And then you got
to tell your defenders, hey, guys, let's proceed with aggressive caution.
And here's what I mean. You got to go ahet
in one hundred miles an hour. And then at the
last minute, if you think if he's sliding, then use

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your hands. Don't hit him with your elbow in your head,
use your hands to get him down. I think the
biggest deal with these penalties is you're seeing a lot
of blows with your shoulder pass or the helmet or
the form to Patrick Mahomes's head. Let's use our hands
to get him on the ground. And I think if
they do that, they'll probably get the benefit of the doubt.
But I think Patrick understands how to manipulate the rules

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a little bit, and I don't blame it. How many
times have we seen him though, like he's going out
of bounds and he puts that foot in the ground
and gets another ten or fifteen. I think that's what
you have to alert the reff like, hey, how are
you going to call that?

Speaker 4 (01:01:03):
And what would you like me to do?

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Booger.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
I've said it now, I'm not calling for it, but
I know that somebody's going to hit him. Somebody's going
to pop him at some point. If you're going to
continue to flirt with the I'm going out of bound,
not going out of bounds. I'm sliding them, not slily.
Somebody's going to take a shot. Deal with the fifteen
yards benches clear, Maybe a fine, but until the NFL,

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if you want to protect your quarterbacks, they have to
do better at this rule or these rules so the
defense can understand, how can this be a level playing field?
Because as it is now, it's not a level playing field.
And maybe they don't want that booger, but at some
point I worry that somebody's going to take a shot.

Speaker 18 (01:01:46):
Well, I don't think to your point, I don't know
if they've wanted to be a level playing field because
they realize that the quarterback sale. Like right now we're
looking at jayde Daniels, Jalen Hurtz, Patrick Mahomes, and Josh Allen,
and I think the NFL is salivating right now. We're
gonna any combination of two of these four quarterbacks in
the super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (01:02:04):
We can sell it.

Speaker 18 (01:02:05):
And that's what you want, Like if you go back
to the Super Bowl with Nick Foles in it, like
the NFL, like Philadelphia want everybody's happy. But we ain't
selling Nick Foles to America to tune in with one
hundred and thirty million people. I love Nick Foles, but
he's not making me warm and fuzzy to turn the
TV to CBS. And so I think that the NFL
is going to protect their quarterbacks. However, you have to

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make the game fair for defensive players. And to your point, Dan,
I may even tell my defenders this, Hey, guys, early
in the game, first half, first half, I'll give you
I'll give you a little leeway. So if he's going
out of bounce, take a shot because we can recover
in the second half. Now, like the game, you gotta
be cautious, but the first half, let's light his ass

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up a little bit, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
NFL Prime Time with Chris Berman and Booger McFarland right
after the game the AFC Title Game at around five
eastern on the Mothership? Are the Bills a running team?

Speaker 18 (01:03:06):
I think the Bills are whatever they need to be team.
You know, when they had Stefan Diggs, that's all we
talked about was Stefan Diggs, Josh Allen. Now they've morphed
into this team that they can do whatever they need
to do. They went out and got a Marii Cooper
so they can throw the football to secure Amari Cooper.
They got the two tighty impactage they can go to.
They can throw out the James Cook out of the backfield,

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so they have weapon to throw the football. However, I
think what we've realized is this postseason, dam the more
physical teams are winning these games.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Right.

Speaker 18 (01:03:36):
The team that can control the line of scrimmage and
be physically imposing those are the teams that are winning
these games. And I think Buffalo had said, Okay, we've
tried this with Josh being Superman.

Speaker 4 (01:03:46):
That didn't work. We've tried this a number of ways.
So how about let's be physical.

Speaker 18 (01:03:50):
Let's get thirty five carries a game between our running
backs and Josh Allen.

Speaker 4 (01:03:54):
Let's control the line of scrimmage.

Speaker 18 (01:03:56):
And then in those moments late in the movie, okay
about the time the movies about the commes tell the
god at quarterback to put the kpe on and now
go turn into Superman. And when he turns into Superman,
that means whatever he needs to do.

Speaker 4 (01:04:10):
If he needs to.

Speaker 18 (01:04:10):
Run thirty, run thirty, if he needs to throw a sixty,
to throw a sixty. And so I think they've developed
into that type of team with one caveat, don't turn
the football over. They haven't turned the ball over, and
I think those are the primary reasons they've been successful.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
Are you chiefed out?

Speaker 4 (01:04:27):
No?

Speaker 18 (01:04:28):
I never get chiefed out, because when you're a competitor,
every year is different and so to say I'm chiefed
out would mean that I'm rooting for I'm not rooting
for the best teams.

Speaker 4 (01:04:41):
I think that each and every time you go out.
You got to earn it.

Speaker 18 (01:04:44):
The Chiefs have earned back to back Super Bowls. If
they get to a third, they will have earned it.
Everything is earned in this business. Then nothing is given, man,
And so I'm not chiefed out because I know how hard.

Speaker 4 (01:04:53):
It is to go and earn what it is that
you need to get.

Speaker 18 (01:04:58):
To win a Super Bowl. I want to none of them.
Nothing has ever been given. Everything has got to be earned.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
Do you think the Chiefs get favorable calls?

Speaker 18 (01:05:10):
I think the home team is always gonna get favorable calls,
and the Chiefs have pretty much been at home except
for one playoff run, So I do think that they
get favorable calls because the crowd to think about this,
I'm gonna put a scenario out there. Let's say Patrick
Mahomes is running down the chief sideline and there's a
questionable hit. Everybody in the stadium along with everybody in

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the sideline is going to be throw the flag through
the flag, and human nature is going to kind of
influence the official Look like it takes somebody really that
that's got a really nice temperament and a really strong
demeanor not to listen to seventy thousand plus all the
coaches in front of your in front of your face
doing that. So I think the home team, especially on

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the home sideline, always get a favorable flag.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
My best to Chris Berman and we'll be watching Sunday night.
Great to talk to you again always man.

Speaker 4 (01:06:02):
Love coming on with you guys.

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
Thank you for having me, Sir Booger McFarlane. One of
these days he's coming up for a meet Friday. It
keeps threatening. I mean, we'll get ready, We'll have he
can create the menu NFL Primetime with Chris Berman and
Booger right after the conclusion of the AFC title game
on the mother Ship Alex in Utah. Then we'll take
a break. Ryan Day, the Ohio state head coach, will

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join us.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
Hey Alex, Hey.

Speaker 19 (01:06:28):
Morning, guys. Happy to meet Friday.

Speaker 4 (01:06:30):
I am yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:06:32):
I in my short time as like a big football fan,
I can't think of a better coach division than the
AFC West now, So I guess that's sort of.

Speaker 4 (01:06:42):
My question is there has there been a better coach.

Speaker 19 (01:06:47):
Division where you have potentially four Hall of Famers all
coaching one division at the same time, And also makes
me wonder how long before Tom Brady goes to give
Pete Carroll high five and then just low balls him
by saying, Hey, Malcolm Butler and balk Away.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
I don't know if Malcolm Butler comes up in the
press conference when they introduced Pete Carol, I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
Just guessing coach, we're handing this one off or yeah, uh, Pete,
game on the line. You're gonna run the ball?

Speaker 4 (01:07:19):
Let go?

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
Are you going to pass the ball? Good question. We'll
have to do some research.

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
Is this the best head coaching division in recent memory
with the NFL?

Speaker 5 (01:07:30):
Yes, morv recent memory.

Speaker 6 (01:07:31):
I was going to say all time NFC East was
at Parcels, Tom Landry, Joe Gibbs.

Speaker 5 (01:07:37):
That's just all the time for.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
Meal was was ver Meil the head coach? Then the Eagles.
All right, let me take a break. We'll talk to
Brian Day after this.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio WAPP.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
Try to sneak in a few more phone calls here
waiting for Ryan Day, head coach at Ohio State. That
AFC West with Pete Carroll with the Raiders, Jim Harball
with the Chargers, Sean Payton in Denver, Andy Reid, and
Kansas City. We were trying to come up with on
short notice, is there another conference division that had coaches

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that would rival this one? Because Andy Reach's Hall of Famer,
Jim Harball, he's a football Hall.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Of Fame, not NFL hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
And Sean Payton probably a borderline Hall of Famer. Pete
Carroll in there as well, winning a Super Bowl, losing
a Super Bowl as well, but now back with the
Raiders and a three year deal eight seven to seven
to three. DP show email address DP at Danpatrick dot com,
Twitter handle at DP show. He's Ryan Day, head coach
at Ohio State National Champs coach. Congratulations. How much of

(01:08:52):
this was joy and how much of this was relief?

Speaker 7 (01:08:57):
It was a combination of the two.

Speaker 20 (01:08:59):
Yeah, it was it was both, and I think the
whole run that we went on throughout the playoffs was
that way. I really haven't had as much fun coaching
a team like that in a long time.

Speaker 7 (01:09:12):
It was just a bunch of guys together.

Speaker 20 (01:09:14):
There really was no class because class was out and
we just spent a bunch of time together and had
a bunch of bunch of fun playing. But in the end,
as we headed in that last game, we just knew that,
you know, it would just be another story that kind
of comes and goes. But now the fact that we won,
we're able to cement that story in the history of
college football, and obviously at Ohio State.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
But take me back to Michigan, and I had a
former player say this to me that when Michigan tried
to plant the flag, that maybe brought your team together
or more together. Whether that's true or not, you would
know that better. But it's almost like it galvanized this team.
Nothing's going to be easy us against the world. They
embarrassed us. Now let's go out and prove that we're

(01:09:58):
still the best team. Anything I'm saying that wasn't true.

Speaker 20 (01:10:04):
I think it's certainly part of the story of the year.
There's no question about that. And I felt like this
team was close anyways. I thought we were galvanized. But
when you go through something like that, you know you
have to regroup and figure out, most importantly, what happened
and how do we get these things fixed. So you know,

(01:10:25):
there's a lot of ways to look at this and
some more dramatic than others, But the truth is we
had to get things fixed. There was things that were
just not right coming out of that game that you know,
in all three phases, we need to get addressed. And
that was the bottom line. And then there was a
lot of other things that came with it, as you know.
And you know, once we got those things addressed and

(01:10:47):
the players recognize that things needed to get fixed and
knew the plan going into the Tennessee game, there was
just there was a collective, just like you said, a
bunch of guys together saying, all right, we're gonna make
this run and we're gonna be danger once we get
some momentum going again.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
But how does this affect you personally?

Speaker 3 (01:11:03):
You lose to Michigan again, and you know that topic
in Columbus in that state, and you know, you're you're
I don't know if you're fighting for survival or what
I tell me your emotions where you lose to Michigan again,
and you know the importance of what that means.

Speaker 20 (01:11:21):
Yeah, I mean, certainly, you know, there was obviously disappointment
amongst all the other emotions, but you know, once those
things kind of come and go and you have a
couple of days you have to refocus yourself. And as
difficult as that was, it was an opportunity to write

(01:11:43):
an unbelievable story in the next month. And I felt
like it was an opportunity for me as a dad,
as a husband, and as a man to show my
family that you know, when you get knocked down and
you're backed up against the wall, that you know, it's
about how you handle yourself and how you fight yourself
out of these types of situations. And then and then,

(01:12:05):
you know, for our team, you know, for the guys
on the team and the seniors and even the young
guys to watch, you know, you know, how you handle
yourself and then have something to grab on to it
for the rest of their life, and then serve as
an example for all the Buckeye fans who you know,
certainly you know had ups and downs this season, but
we're able to, you know, see how you handle yourself
when when things get really really difficult, And I think

(01:12:28):
that really defines people's character.

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
It was reported there were death threats. How do you
talk to your kids about that or your wife about
how do you process that?

Speaker 7 (01:12:39):
I think every year for us it's become.

Speaker 20 (01:12:43):
Easier to manage when you know our family first was
named you know, the head coach in twenty nineteen. My
wife and the kids were smaller than we were, all
sitting on the bed together, and I've told the story before.

Speaker 7 (01:12:57):
She said, you know, started crying, said our family's never
going to be the same again. And she was right.

Speaker 20 (01:13:02):
But that didn't make it easy. You know, you're expected
to win them all, and when you don't, it's it's tough.
But that's because of the passion, and nobody puts more
pressure on themselves than myself and my family. Nobody wants
to win more than my kids and my wife, So
it isn't so much that because they're more disappointed than
anybody could possibly be in Buckeye Nation. And so we

(01:13:23):
shared the same frustration because you know, my family and
my kids want to win worse than even I do.
I mean, I just that's the way they're wired and
and they love the fans, and so you know, when
you do lose, you know, there's there's a feeling of disappointment,
and you know you share in the frustration with people
because they love it so much. But that's that's also living,
you know, you're relevant. I mean, that's that's what makes

(01:13:44):
Ohio State so special is because people care so much.
Now with that comes from some craziness, but that's okay.

Speaker 19 (01:13:51):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (01:13:51):
It also makes when you win that much more special.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
What was it like when you saw your family after
you won the title?

Speaker 7 (01:13:59):
Yeah? That was man, that was a special moment.

Speaker 20 (01:14:03):
You know, something that you know, always remember, just the
fact that you could look at your your family and
your wife and the eyes and say, hey, we did
this thing together, and they did.

Speaker 7 (01:14:13):
They were a big part of it.

Speaker 20 (01:14:15):
And we know where we were about a month and
a half ago and where we are right now, and
it was pure joy.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
Like you mentioned earlier, is Ryan Day, head coach of
Ohio State National champs. Take me back to the third
and eleven call. Who makes the call? And was what
was the other option in that situation?

Speaker 20 (01:14:37):
Well, we were trying to run down the clock we had.
There's a point in the game where we're up by
multiple scores and you start doing the math on it,
and you're like, man, if we can just run out
a few minutes, you know, each time we have the
ball and continue to get some first downs and we
could just who can milk this thing and win. And
when you're talking about being that close to a national championship,

(01:14:57):
you know you're holding on real tight. Maybe hold on
a little two tight. But on first and second down
we were gonna run the ball. We thought about throwing
it on second down because we saw a man the
man coverage on the outside, and you know, wanted to
keep the clock running. And then they called the time
out and on the headset there's a lot of back
and forth there.

Speaker 7 (01:15:15):
Our whole offensive staff, I thought, did a great job.

Speaker 20 (01:15:17):
Throughout the whole run chips obviously right there, and and
we said, you know, we run one more time and
chew up the clock, and some guys said, no, let's
let's let's call a third down play. And so we
looked at the call sheet and we saw a play
that is one of our bass plays that we.

Speaker 7 (01:15:32):
Put in day one.

Speaker 20 (01:15:32):
We're literally it's a go ball on the outside of
the outside receivers and a middle read by our h
and a couple of checkdowns by the inside guys, and
we say, if we're.

Speaker 7 (01:15:40):
Lucky enough to get one on one on the outside.
And then when we were launching that thing up.

Speaker 20 (01:15:43):
Away from the free safety and we had worked hard
on that route, in particular because we knew we were
getting a certain technique in the game, and so when
we saw it, you know, our eyes lit up, so
the wills and certainly.

Speaker 7 (01:15:53):
Had to be executed. But it was like in slow motion.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
I was gonna say, what's it like when that ball's
in the air?

Speaker 7 (01:16:01):
Slow motion?

Speaker 20 (01:16:02):
Just like holding your breath, knowing that if we catch
this thing, we're probably national champs. And there's an unbelievable picture.
It's a still photo from the sideline from the other way.
You can see our entire sideline as the balls in
the air, and just the look of everybody's face on
that sideline is amazing, just because everyone can see, like,
we catch this ball, we're going to be national champs.

Speaker 7 (01:16:22):
It was quite a moment.

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
How difficult is it to keep your roster together? There's
a report that Jeremiah Smith offered four and a half
million dollars. Like Ohio State doesn't usually lose players, but
now in today's nil and transfer portal, everybody's fair game.
So how do you go about having conversations or retaining

(01:16:45):
some of your players?

Speaker 20 (01:16:47):
I think the first thing you have to bring in
great people and great families, but you also have to
value them and try to do everything you can to
get what they deserve and what's fair. But there's also
something to be said for being around a program like ours,
and you know, you think if it's all equal, you know,
we'll have a chance to to get our share of guys.

Speaker 7 (01:17:10):
But but it is different. There's no question.

Speaker 20 (01:17:14):
I think as coaches were all looking for a little
bit more guidelines on this. I mean, everything is so
gray right now, and.

Speaker 3 (01:17:21):
How does that work though, coach that let's say I
wanted to talk to Jeremiah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
Let's say I'm Georgia.

Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
I want to talk to him, Like, how does that
go about that you get in front of somebody or
you know, you put a price tag?

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
And is there tampering in college football?

Speaker 20 (01:17:38):
I think one of the big issues that we have
in across the board in college football right now is enforcement.
I mean, you just you know, you know some of
the stories of some of the things that have gone
on just you know, within the last couple of years
or even in the past, but enforcement is really strained
right now. And so until we start enforcing some of

(01:18:00):
these rules, like you said, I mean, people can just
call someone's agents or someone's parents and offer them a
certain amount of money and then it goes from there.
And that's just part of it. I mean, there's so
many other things that come in place. So that's one
of the things to me that I think we've got
to get addressed in college sports, in college football is
enforcement because right now there's virtually none, and it's gotten

(01:18:24):
worse as time has gone on.

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
When's the last time but NFL team reached out to you.

Speaker 7 (01:18:32):
You know, they don't really reach out to me.

Speaker 20 (01:18:34):
They would reach out, I guess to my agent, and
that happens sometimes. But you know, we have not really
engaged because I love Ohio State and I want to
be here as long as I can.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
So that's not a goal.

Speaker 20 (01:18:47):
No, that's not a goal. It's not a goal, and
I wouldn't say that. I wouldn't consider that somewhere down
the line. But my son is a sophomore in high school,
my daughters are in middle school. They love it here,
and you know, I want to be here, you know,
through there, through there, you know, run through high school
and then you know, see what the next phase brings.

(01:19:08):
But but like I said, you know, once the confetti fell,
that was it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
It's on next year. I know, do you get a vacation?

Speaker 7 (01:19:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll have We'll have some time.

Speaker 20 (01:19:20):
But but it's not like, you know, we're going away
to Tahiti for a week.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
Were you on the phone to recruits after the national title?

Speaker 20 (01:19:29):
Recruits and you know, are our current players and.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
Yeah, that night. I mean, that's a great thing. Saban
would do that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
He'd win a national title, get on the phone and
say to a recruit, Hey, you could be celebrating with us,
confetti probably in his hair.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
Did you do that?

Speaker 4 (01:19:46):
No?

Speaker 20 (01:19:47):
But you know what, what's what's interesting is the timetables changed.
So the early signing day. We had one hundred and
forty five guys in our team this year, and over
twenty of them were recruits that started classes on January sixth,
so they were actually with the team for the last
two games. So instead of the signing day, which should
be happening next Wednesday, they had signed and were enrolled
in classes.

Speaker 7 (01:20:07):
So like, the timetables changed a lot.

Speaker 20 (01:20:11):
But you know, we have obviously, you know, been recruiting
the twenty sixth class, which is about other year away.

Speaker 3 (01:20:16):
Where would you put Jeremiah Smith with the other receivers
you've coached.

Speaker 20 (01:20:22):
Well after the first year, it's hard to put him
anywhere other than one. I think some of those guys
had great freshman years, but not not like this.

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
We need to check his birth certificate, Like how old
is he, coach, come on.

Speaker 7 (01:20:36):
Nineteen years old?

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (01:20:38):
Yeah, but he's special and we knew he was special,
and his maturity is beyond his years physically, mentally and emotionally.

Speaker 7 (01:20:46):
He's a special talent. As you know.

Speaker 3 (01:20:48):
Congrats, enjoy it while you can because we know what happens.
So this season starts, then there's the Michigan game. Keep smiling,
never ends?

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
Does it? Thank you? Coach?

Speaker 4 (01:21:02):
Ever?

Speaker 7 (01:21:03):
Does?

Speaker 3 (01:21:04):
That's a Ryan Day, head coach of Ohio State won
the national title. And you know what, I got a
big kick out of it. They win, and he's trying
to get his headset off and his belt off and
he's running down the sidelines and he just throws it.
I don't know where it goes, but that joy that was,

(01:21:26):
that's relief. That's true relief. And you hadn't had that before.
But imagine you sit down with your family. You're trying
to explain, Hey, our life has just changed, and like
you're not taking the job of you know, Kansas football.
This is Ohio sting and your life will change for

(01:21:49):
the better and maybe for the worst. And then you
get death threats when you lose to Michigan, and then
you got to talk to your family about that, just
so they understand. I mean, Dan Campbell in Detroit got
death threats. This is Detroit where you're going like, thank
god I got Dan Campbell as my coach. We almost

(01:22:12):
got there. You had no hope before. Damn they're all
parade for.

Speaker 2 (01:22:19):
But that's you know, that's the.

Speaker 3 (01:22:21):
Sad reality of this. It is big time business. We
like to make it amateur sports.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
It is business. That is business. Unfortunately, Yeah, point.

Speaker 11 (01:22:33):
And you said the phrase roster retention. You know, five
years ago, they didn't have to do that that much.
Once in a while, guy transferred, but you had to
sit or there was no incentive to transfer. Financially, it's
a whole different world.

Speaker 3 (01:22:45):
Well, you wouldn't think Ohio State have to worry about that,
But here's a report by the website on three that
Jeremiah Smith is getting a four and a half million
dollar offer. I sure I'd do the same thing if
I had the money. I got a sure thing, he's
won a national title. You want to get four and
a half million dollars. One of these schools, maybe an

(01:23:08):
SEC school, is going to say, hey, come on down,
come on down, we'll pay you
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