April 11, 2025 • 47 mins
DP reacts to Brent Musburger being awarded the 2025 Pete Rozelle Radio-Television Award from the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Golf Channel lead studio analyst Brandel Chamblee compares rooting for Rory McIlroy to being a Buffalo Bills fan, and explains how Augusta National has continued to challenge golfers despite the evolution of long-ball hitters. And legendary broadcaster Brent Musburger reflects on his storied career after winning the Pete Rozelle Award, and breaks down the evolution of sports betting entering today's sports scene.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We will talk to Brent Musberger a little bit later
on this morning. Brandal Shambley will join us from Augusta
after what we saw yesterday. But let me start with Brent,
because every generation has a voice that defines how we
remember a game, and for millions of fans, that voice
was Brent Musburger, and he's finally getting his due now.
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The award is called the Pete Roselle Radio and TV Award.
Pete Roselle former NFL commissioner, and Brent has been a
voice for generation for fifty years. When you think about
a Saturday or Sunday or a Monday, and when he
would say you are looking live, it was just it
sounded like something bigger was going to happen. The Rose Bowl,
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the final four, NFL, Sunday's a BCS title game. He
had a voice that when you heard it, you knew
that something was a little more important, a little more special.
The Pete Roselle Award is not just a honoring a broadcaster.
It celebrates really the soundtrack of a lot of our lives.
And Brent gave us moments. He gave us memories. This
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is long overdue. There are some people at the Pro
Football Hall of Fame who reached out yesterday gave me
a heads up before it was officially announced and said,
you guys did it. So a round of applause for us,
because I just kept thinking, Brent deserves to be in
the Pro Football Hall of Fame, just like John Facenda.
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Years ago, I realized John Facenda, the voice of NFL films,
was not in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. I
reached out to a friend who I've known for thirty
five years who works there, and I said, this is
an injustice, and she said, I'll put you in touch
with David Baker, who ran the Pro Football Hall of Fame,
and David said, write a letter. So I go to
McLevin and I said, let's put together a letter and
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send it to the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Maybe
they can give it to the voters and remind them
that John Facenda, the voice of the NFL, was not
in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. And then David
Baker called the show and said, John Facenda is going
in posthumously. I didn't want that to happen with Brent,
And every time I would have him on.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
We saw him in Las Vegas.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
He came by, He's eighty five years of age, and
I said, damn it, we're going to get you in
the Hall of Fame. Whatever role we played, and maybe
it's a small role, but all I wanted to do
is use the platform to remind people that he was
not in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. And when
you think about the certain memories you have, the people
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you remember, the shows you remember, and the impact that
they had on you. The CBS pregame show with Brent,
I mean, that's the first time I go I can
do that. I can That's what I want to do.
I can have a goal where I'm hosting a show
like that. And I never would have thought that. I
didn't have direction. I knew I wanted to be in sports,
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but I saw Brent and I thought, that's what I
want to do. But when you think about starting your
football Sunday, you started your football Sunday with Brent saying
you are looking live. And you know, even now, I
never get tired of that. You are looking live. So
I'm glad he's going in well deserved. He'll join us
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a little bit later on and you know, I tried
to get Jim Nantz involved in it, and I think
Jim was echoing the sentiments to try to get Brent
in as well. So there's a few other people who
certainly picked up the baton and use their platform to
help Brent or remind people that Brent wasn't in the
Pro Football Hall of Fame. So thank you all the
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people involved. Patty.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah, Pauline.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
I go back to two three years ago, we were
talking about the award, the Pete Rosella Award, and I
think it was Fred Goadelli, the great director from ABC,
and we looked up and we didn't see Brent's name
on the list. We saw like Tom Jackson and Andrea
Kramer and Joe Buck and Jim Nance and it almost
looked like this must be a typo. Brent Musburger's name
is not on the list of the Roselle Award for
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contributions to the game as a media member. We actually
double checked because we thought we had it wrong, and
then we brought it up on air, and every time
you said it on air, people would reck.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Like, how can this be?
Speaker 4 (04:25):
It's It's almost like what must have been so obvious
that Brent should be in. No one discussed him being it.
I can't think of any other reason.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah, and you know, I don't want to ask Brent
why he wasn't in, or you know, any of that.
We should be looking moving forward with that. But a
lot of people got involved in this behind the scenes,
and great greatly appreciate that. So we have a poll
question today, Play of the Day, stat of the Day,
all of that forthcoming. Your phone calls are welcome. It's
a Friday. Everybody's in a great mood. Got to meet Friday.
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Brent's news Yeah, you know, nominated for a Sammy, all
great stuff. So, uh seton, what are you gonna go with?
And it's such a great time of the year. You
got golf, the home stretch of the NBA, you got baseball,
you got hockey home stretch. You know, we've got the draft,
you know, coming up in a couple of weeks. So
it's it's really a great time of the year to
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do this for a living or just be a fan. Seaton,
what are we going to go with? First hour?
Speaker 6 (05:24):
Marvinson went actually based on the Brent Musburger getting into
the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Who should Dan get into the Hall of Fame. Next.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
I was thinking about this because my brother, my brother,
who is a big music guy. He goes, Okay, you
used your platform to help Foreigner get into the Rock
and Roll Hall of Fame, because I thought that was
an injustice as well, and even met with their lead singer,
and I'm like, I'm I'm going on my show and
I'm going to talk about Foreigner needs to be in
the rock and Roll Hall of Fame. They get in
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the rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And then we
had John Facenda. Now, Brent, I'm tired. I got to
let somebody else do this. Yes, Paulie, I got a couple.
If you can crank it up.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Man, I don't know. If I have the energy, I'll
throw it too.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
For the Pete Roselle Radio and Television Award. These two gentlemen.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I can't nominate myself, Paulie, that's silly.
Speaker 7 (06:13):
Wait.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Oh, if the award is contributions to growing the game
of football, how about Mel Kuiper.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
Yes again, that's it's tiven a question.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yes, well, we brought this up last year. Yeah, And
we brought this up last year about Mel.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
And Peter King, the writer.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Sure, yeah, do you want to do one at a time,
you want.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Me Mel Kuiper, absolutely positively yes. And Peter you know,
these are these are people who are there. You know,
it's their lives. It's year round. You know, we get
to enjoy football in football season. But with uh, with Mel,
this is year round, this is all Mel does. And
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then with Peter and now he just retired. But yeah,
you're those are two great, great examples of people who
should be nominated. But definitely Mel Kiper. He was doing
it when people weren't doing this. He changed the draft.
Like if you think about what Mel was doing when
he was doing it, how he was doing it, and
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he'd be in his little laboratory and he'd come out
with player profiles and he'd say, you know, this guy
from this college, and this is where he should go.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
And I mean he had his mock drafts. I mean,
he did all of this. He had created an entire industry.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
A cottage industry that is now metastasized into you know,
its own sports world. You got a festival at the draft.
I go back to first draft I went to was
nineteen eighty four, not a bad draft, eighty three I
was there, but I wasn't working. But you know, you
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start to think about what it was. They had those
helmet phones. No one was really there, you know, players
weren't there. Then all of a sudden it just became bigger.
Hey let's televise this.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Now, all of a sudden it becomes Coachella. It's football Coachella,
and Meil helped start that. And I invaluable, invaluable resource
at the Mothership throughout all those in my eighteen years there,
you could always rely on Mel. He would come on
and he was always prepared. He always you know, he
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had direction with everything that he was talking about. He
didn't give you sort of half assed answers, like he
had done his homework and his homework was going to
stand up to gms who didn't like him, or coaches
or players. But he did his homework. So that's a great. Yes,
let's get started on Mel. Get started on Mel, and
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if I have enough energy, then we can work on
Peter King anybody else that needs to be I think
that's good for now.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
Yeah, it's a lot of work.
Speaker 6 (09:03):
Are you going to expand out of just the Pete
Roselle Award because there's lots of other suggestions here, what
else Sonny Vaccaro is a great one arm throughout.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yes, well I even brought that up to Sonny and
I even said it on the show Michael Jordan, Mike,
write a letter Basketball Hall of Fame. Sonny should be
in the Basketball Hall of Fame. Contributions to the game,
Sonny Vacaro changed the game.
Speaker 6 (09:28):
And Mike said, actually, I made Sonny so.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Well, if even if he says that, still write a letter,
you know, that would that would carry a whole lot
of weight. If Mike says Sonny should be in the
Basketball Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Sonny should be writing a letter for me.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Really, But but you know, to get it so, we're
not doing this posthumously. And that's the key, you know,
with Brent being eighty five and Sonny is in his
eighties as well. What he did for the shoe industry
for coaches, I mean really, this was he was doing nil,
you know for these coaches before there was nil anybody
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else seating that I can help.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
Off of Marvin's list, here we got Dale Murphy. Can
you get him into the Baseball Hall of Fame?
Speaker 3 (10:11):
I can't why.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
I love Murph. I think if he had two more
home runs, then he might get ano what he ended
up with three ninety eight, we had two MVPs.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I love Murph.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
He's one of my favorite people I've ever met in
my life, not just athlete. But I don't I don't
think that's going to happen. I think he had to
have four hundred home runs where they go all right,
because then you could kind of put him in there
with Fred McGriff and you could say, all right, you know,
who else do you have? Because you know, Murph was
a catcher and probably not a very good catcher. They
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put him in center field and he became a really
good center fielder.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Yes, Paulie Dan, you know how much round numbers bother me?
That's the Dale Murphy is the peak of round numbers
bother three ninety eight.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
Four hundred.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
He went back to back ends. There was a time
when he was the most feared man in baseball, and
the window was six years five six years.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
But he had some injuries, he didn't win, they didn't
play in big games. But man, I love the team,
Ralph Gard Bob Horner Braves were fun. Get to go
watch them play all the time. When of his living
in Atlanta, who else.
Speaker 6 (11:24):
Do we have their seaton Ken Anderson and get him
into football.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
That's yes.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
If he won that one Super Bowl in Detroit against
Joe Montana, He's in the Hall of Fame. I think
because Kenny Anderson was the most accurate quarterback back when
I don't think we gave a whole lot of credit
to being accurate. I think he had one game where
he competed completed twenty one consecutive passes and back then
you were throwing deep balls Isaac Curtis. But yeah, Kenny
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Anderson I think is a Hall of Fame quarterback. I
do anybody else there's you know, we could start populating
more of that listing. Okay, yeah, you know the audience
may have some suggestions. But man, when I got that
news and my friend at the Pro Football Hall of
Fame and she said, you did it. And I was like,
I saw the press release and I immediately said to
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the Dan net So, I said, we did it.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
What else?
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Eton?
Speaker 6 (12:20):
Actually, speaking of audience contributions, somebody tweeted at us a
crazy thought that maybe we'll get to in the next segment.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Okay, I can take a breatha fun. Yeah, just getting started.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Man, got emotional about this, but that's your childhood, Like
you're seeing somebody who impacted you greatly.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
And that's why I think it. You know, I was
proud to be able to do that.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
All right, Stop crying, Dan, It's a Friday, Okay, I will.
I wasn't crying. It's just kind of emoting a little bit.
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Speaker 2 (14:01):
Love watching, you know, Gulf Central live from U see
at the Ryder Cup or a major, the Masters, and
then I'm always watching Brandal Shambilie because chances are he's
going to say something to piss somebody off. He's really
really good at that. But I watched yesterday, Randall. I
don't think you upset anybody yesterday.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
What's what's going on? You're going soft on us?
Speaker 5 (14:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (14:22):
I kind of had an off day, I guess.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (14:25):
I don't know that I've pissed anybody off this whole week. Dan,
I'm on great behavior.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Yeah, I don't like that I brought this up.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
When you see certain guys like Freddie Couples is sixty
five and he shoots a one under, but you know,
the familiarity there. He's not going to hit it where
everybody hits it. But as Payne Stewart once said to me,
our game is about missus where we miss and being
able to get up and down as opposed to where
the average golfer misses. But that local knowledge, how much
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does that play in with Freddie, you know, being up
there at least hanging in on the leaderboard.
Speaker 7 (15:01):
Yeah, I think in a huge way. I mean, there
are a lot of things that I think helped the
elderly out Augusta National. The fairways there are fifty five
yards wide. Yesterday was just an ideal day for scoring.
It wasn't I mean, yeah, the course in Spots was
firm like fifteen, but it was a goldilocks day. You know,
it was pretty warm, wind wasn't blowing. And then Freddy's
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just he's an unbelievably good golfer and he's aged so
well because the swing is long and it's languid and
it's loose. It's kind of crazy, you know, if you
think about yesterday, Yesterday was really a crazy day. Sneaky.
One of the crazier days I think I've seen. You know,
he had a guy that won twice last year, shooting ninety.
You had a guy on Social Security that shot seventy one.
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And when we talk about somebody relieving themselves or going
into Raysed Creek, I should say normally it's because they
hit a shot in there, not because they went in
there to relieve themselves, like the US Amateur champ did yesterday.
He said, though, I'll give him a lot of credit.
He said it was the largest amount of clause he
got all week. And then Rory with the double bogies
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came way back.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
So he's not in trouble, is he? Because you got
to be careful with your demeanor at Augusta. Certainly the
patrons do. What about the golfers.
Speaker 7 (16:16):
I'm sure the Augusta committee wasn't too happy with him.
He said he forgot to go to the bathroom. I
don't know how one does that, but uh, you know
you have to be I guess judicious. There was a
porter potty on the thirteenth tee. I guess he forgot.
And uh, anyway, you know, what are you gonna do?
What are you gonna do when you playing with it,
But you gotta go, you gotta go. But Ray's creek.
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Uh And then what else? What else happened crazy yesterday?
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Well Rory on fifteen and like I was telling people
that that looked like a perfect shot. His his second
shot in it goes right over the stick. Now it's
on the back. Now it's tricky because it can be
it borders on that's unbelievable or oh my god. And
then Nance said right away it's gone because it got
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to that certain point it had a little bit of momentum.
And then Jim says, it's gone. It's in the water.
Speaker 7 (17:07):
Yeah, I mean after it didn't check that first bounce,
he knew it was gone.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
You know.
Speaker 7 (17:11):
The players that had hit that shot conservatively or good,
I mean it checked the first bounce, or they just
were really careful, like Scotti Scheffer hit it back there
and he was really careful. He landed on the fringe.
He left it. Really it's hard to believe it, but
it's a chip shot where you got to be conservative
and as firm as that green is, they all knew it.
It was such a head shot. I mean, Rory, you know,
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I'm i would imagine, you know better than me, but
pulling for Rory, and almost everybody in the world of
golf pulls for Rory, is maybe it's a kin to you.
Tell me, if there's a decent analogy, I may use
it to deny. Would it be like being a Buffalo
Bills fan? You know, they they're awesome, right, and they
just can't quite win the big game? And for the
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last ten years, Rory's been there all the time, and
then he makes these blunders, these head scratchers in major championships.
You know, he's so inconsistent in majors on the one hand,
and on the other he's pretty damn consistent. You just
can't quite figure him out.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Well, rich Lerner, the great host of the program, says,
and you got a little bit frosty, I think when
he said we might look at this and say, Rory
lost the tournament with that double bow GIT fifteen and
double bow GIT seventeen, and then you you kind of
fired back at him. So why do you think Rory
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is still in this thing?
Speaker 7 (18:34):
Because he's playing great. I mean, right up until the
blunder at fifteen, he could have been seven under par
pretty easily, and he was four under par, and he
had really kind of gotten nothing out of the round.
He had so many good shots and not capitalized on them.
He played great coming in here, and Rory tends to
play his best golf when he's kind of out of it,
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and he's not out of it. I maintain that the
lead is really Scotti Scheffler. You know that's the person
you got to beat. No disrespect to Justin Rose. It's
hard to sustain that level of golf that he played
yesterday for four days. He just made a bogue at
the fifth. He's hit some of the worst shots I've
seen somebody hit who's leading a golf tournament. Early in
around number two, fourth old par three pins up front,
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he laid the sod over his approach shot fifty yards
shortly the green. I've never seen anybody do that. And
he got up and down for par, so he kind
of smoking mirrors and then he bogued five. So my
point is he's four back of Scotty Scheffler. Well, you
don't think Rory can make up four shots over three days.
And if I'm Rory, I'm sitting there thinking I got
to go out and get twelve undred par over the
next four days and that should do it. So No,
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I don't think he shot himself out of it, but
he made pretty much all the mistakes he could make yesterday.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
How does Augusta keep this so the scores don't get
out of hand? When you see Deshambo hitting at three
hundred and fifty yards and then you got a short
iron into a Part five rory with that, as you said,
you can blast it there if you miss a fair way,
they's saying a lot about your driving ability or lack thereof.
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But what does Augusta do continue to do to keep
it in a certain number if that's important to them.
Speaker 7 (20:16):
Well, the golf course has a lot of links to it,
you know. The Augusta more than any other golf course
I think in the country has managed to sort of
keep up with the technological and I would say physique
changes in the game of golf. The scoring average yesterday
was seventy three point four. Last year was seventy three
point nine. I mean, you go back forty years, that's
kind of what the scoring average was, so they kept
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in step. The greens are firm, they're the most undulating,
difficult greens in the game of golf. There's plenty of
trouble to wreak havoc out there.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
So the.
Speaker 7 (20:50):
Difficult part of Gusta National is to go around there
not to have some huge blunder because if you make
a mistake, you make it double, you make a triple,
and eventually the winner is the guy who doesn't make
a double bogie for the week. I mean, with few exceptions.
And that's why Scotty Schiffler is so unique. You know,
what makes Scotty great is not any one thing. It's
like what makes any great athlete. It's not any one thing.
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It's just a number of things. He's long, he's straight,
great irons, great chipper, and he's very judicious. He's very
methodical about how he plays the game. And much in
the Tiger Woods or Jack Nicholas.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Fain but Lindersey or has he graduated in now he's
one of the great golfers of all time.
Speaker 7 (21:29):
Oh gosh, you know he's he got to get into
rarefied air. They are five six, seven major championships, twenty
five thirty thirty five, forty wins. I mean, he's he's
a five year run away from you know, having that
sort of moniker attached to him. I mean, this is
what they look like, though, Dan on the way to
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being called that. They look like this.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, And I'm always careful because you see these guys
and they're like unbelievable than all of a sudden, you go.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Where did that guy go?
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Right right?
Speaker 7 (22:03):
It happened with Jordan Speak, Yes, where did that guy go?
It happened with Justin Thomas. He's like, where did that
guy go? Dustin Johnson? Where did that guy go? John
Romm to some extent right now. And it's really hard
to sustain that. And the reason I think we're inclined
to say, Scottie Scheffler, it's going to be less inclined
to have those big valleys is because he's not a
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swing tinkerer. He doesn't think that there's something better next
door or somebody knows something, and he's got such a
well balanced family life. I just can't see him jumping
to live I can't see him jumping to swing teachers.
I can't see him trying to transform his body and
getting injured and all of those things. You know, those
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are sort of life existential hurdles. I don't think he'll
be susceptible to.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
He's Randall Shambley Golf Channel leads studio analyst and you
can watch live for the Masters after the round is included.
You look at the live guys and I wondered about coming,
you know, playing that style of golf in that environment
and then dialing it up to play in this And
John Ram, you know, I think he played pretty well
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at Durrell. I think he had a couple of bad holes.
Deshambo I watched him, but the difference between Deshambo and
John Rahm going from Live to Augusta was what yesterday.
Speaker 7 (23:26):
I feel like John Ram fills extra pressure in major championships.
You know, he's been criticized for being sort of a
turncoat because he had critical remarks about Live initially and
said he had never leave the tour than he did,
so he's been a little critical. He goes over there,
he plays well, and then he comes and plays poorly
in the major championship. So I almost feel like there's
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a lot of pressure on him to perform. And Bryson,
on the other hand, I feel like I feel like
he uses live events to prepare for major championships. He
doesn't really seem to be in him. You know, you
go look and it's and it's not like he's not
lighting them up. You know, this is a guy won
the US Open last year, almost won three of the
four major championships, and he hasn't won a live event
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this year, and live is nowhere near the competition that
he would face the major championships. But like he really
gets up for majors. He's got no pressure on him.
It's like the oposit He freeze it up and gets
after it.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
I think he's great to watch, but it feels like
he's he'll take on anybody. Like he probably says I'm
the best golfer in the world. He probably I don't
care what Scotti Scheffler does, I'm still better than him.
Like that confidence he exudes it, yeah, I mean does.
Speaker 7 (24:35):
It's really fun to watching. You know, he plays the
game with such audacity, such he's like a gambler. On
the one hand, he's like John Daily, you know, in
that he he goes after everything. But on the other hand,
he's like Ben Hogan. Now that you couldn't find two
more incourse figures. You know, he's relentless in his pursuit
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of perfection. But then when he gets on the golf course,
he played with absolute reckless abandon He swings at every
single pitch as hard as he can. He couldn't be
more different than Scotti Scheffler in the way he plays
the game. But the preparation you got to tip your
cap for it. He's you know, he's out there well
after dark a lot of nights. When we're doing life
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for him, we just turn around and there's Bryson on
the range getting after him.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
I was amazed watching your coverage last night. It's eight o'clock.
He's been done for three hours or you know, two
and a half hours. He's out there hammering drives. And
you said there's no more daylight here. I think they have.
Do they have lights on the driving range there for him?
Because he was the only guy who looked like he
was out there.
Speaker 7 (25:39):
You know, it's funny. I didn't turn around to look,
but he was. He was lit like there were lights
out there. I don't know that he needs lights because
he's got the track man or the Quadji's squad right there.
So he just hits and then looks down and that
he doesn't need it. And you know, it's it's dinner
time and it's bedtime.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
But Can you hit too many balls when you're out there?
Speaker 7 (26:02):
Yes, every other player in this field would say yes
to that question, but not him. You know, there's a
there's a there's a ball count going for the week
and almost everybody. It's pretty pretty cool to watch. The
first year I can remember, there's a ball count. There's
a there's a group of datas, you know, statisticians that
count the balls of every player out there. Data Golf.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
It's a good follow up on the driving range.
Speaker 7 (26:24):
Yeah, yeah, Dada Golf does this. So I looked at
it yesterday and it had everybody listed and you know,
the most balls to the lease balls hit and you
go over here to the lease balls hits, and it's
all the guys that are playing the best. They're not
they got it. They're not looking for it. They got it.
And then you know, these statisticians, they're brilliant. They do
a correlation to where the fewest balls correlates to how
well they're playing coming into the week, the most balls
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correlates to the guys they're playing except for Bryson, you know,
and and he's out there hitting thousands of balls over
the course of the week. You'd think you'd be sore.
You'd think you'd be tired all of these things. You
don't want a major championship, but he does it every
dad gum day. You know, as far as I can tell,
he doesn't have kids, he doesn't have a wire, he
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doesn't have a girlfriend. It's just hit him with those
golf balls and he's like Hogan, he really is. This
is something Ben Hogan would be doing.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Do you hold out any hope of Tiger's return, and
if so, what will he look like?
Speaker 7 (27:24):
You know, watching it? I don't know if you probably
watched some of the TGL. It was kind of cool
to watch and Tiger was swinging great in that thing.
And I have had all the hope he was going
to come back and play some good golf this year.
Let's hope. I mean, he's going to be like this
year's probably gone, so it'll be fifty before we see
him again. But as we've seen with Freddy this week,
you know, and as we saw with Phil Mickelson a
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few years ago, these guys can still play some great
golf in their fifties. Tiger's ball speed when I was
watching him in the TGL this year, Dan was it
was almost it was close to one hundred and eighty
miles an hour, and he was pushing off that right foot,
which you know got mangled in that last act it.
So you know, I won't I won't say no, but
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it's really far fest.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
You know, at this point, I'll leave you with this.
I did a story on Byron Nelson. So when he
was alive, he went down to his ranch and he
couldn't swing the club anymore. You know, he was a
lot older, but he wanted to hold the golf club.
And so we're out on the ranch and Hogan was
still alive, and I said, to uh, Byron, I said,
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do you think you could call Ben Hogan and I
could do a feature We were doing Legends of the
PGA Tour.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
And he looked at me.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
He goes, oh, no, no, And I said, but I
just you know, I guess he didn't live very far
from Byron. And I'm thinking, hey, if Byron would call
Ben Hogan, maybe Ben Hogan would do a sit down
interview with But Byron looked at me, and he's one
of the nice he's a gentleman, he was one of
the nicest people. And he just gave me this look
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like that might be the dumbest question I've heard. Nobody messages.
Nobody messages with Ben, Nobody wants to call him.
Speaker 7 (29:10):
I commend you for the ass. Gary Player famously called
him sometime, you know, after he'd won a couple of
majors and said, you know, I'm having problems with this
or that in my game. And Ben Hogan said, whose
clubs do you play?
Speaker 5 (29:23):
Gary?
Speaker 7 (29:23):
And he said, well, I'm playing Slazenger And he said,
he said, why don't you call mister Slazinger and.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
Asked him.
Speaker 7 (29:32):
He was a hard ass. Loves you to interview him,
and I'd love to see if you could get him
to laugh and open up, because he was. He was
a tough character to crack.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
And people are still looking at his swing as the
holding is the greatest, is the great greatest golf swing ever.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Now I would put Sam Snead up there too.
Speaker 7 (29:51):
Yeah, I mean, look Sam Steeds.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Athleticism, athleticism, Sam Snead even when he was in his seventies.
Speaker 7 (29:57):
Yeah, yeah, there was a sort of a lyrical charm
to Sam sneed swing, you know, folks see, but with
Hogan it had everything. It had powered had the geometry,
it had the artistry. It was like he was Mikhail Berushnikoff.
You know, it's like you just couldn't believe somebody could
swing a golf club that good. Nobody today comes close
to swinging a golf clothes as good as Ben Hogan.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
Nobody.
Speaker 7 (30:16):
He didn't have track, man, he didn't have a video.
I don't know how he did it, Dan, I don't
know how.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
You think it's the greatest golf swing ever.
Speaker 7 (30:24):
Yeah, A Tiger two thousand is the is the closest
thing in my opinion. You know, that's a that's a
dead heat, and I think Hogan gets him in the end.
But because you know, Tiger had every asset of the game,
but from a from a if you said who could
you who would you most like to swing golf? Good
Lord Ben Hogan. Yeah, I don't believe.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
I look at Hogan like Leonardo da Vinci, so ahead
of his time and what he did, and Hogan did
that to the golf swing, and yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 7 (30:54):
Know there's an issue. You can probably find this you
go back and you look. You know, Hogan famously won
the fifty US Open after that accident, and he tied
with I'm not mistaken Lloyd Mangram, who had won the
forty six years Open in George Fozia, right, two phenomenal golfers,
and you go watch them tee off on the first
whole of the playoffs, and you know, George hits, Lloyd
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Mangram hits, and then Hogan hits. And if you just
were watching the video of those three golfers who are
all tied in the US Open, you would think, comparatively speaking,
and I don't mean this disparagingly, you would think the
first two were drunks at the driving range. And then
because the symmetry, the movement, the grace, the power, every
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movement had a purpose in Hogan swing. It's the most
beautiful thing in the history of golf, no question about.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
That in my mind.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Played ice today, I don't know, try to.
Speaker 7 (31:48):
Piss somebody off it, okay, I don't want to disappointed
for the week.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Dan, I don't know, take a shot at Nicholson.
Speaker 7 (31:57):
That's gotten too easy.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Does he ever come up and say something to you?
Did he come up and say something to you?
Speaker 7 (32:04):
Well, you know, we have mutual friends, good friends. His
kind of best friends are kind of my good friends.
And we have a time or two talked about getting
together and having a you know, a powwow. It hadn't
happened yet. I like Phil, you know, I like I
miss his golf. I think he's a smart guy, and
I think if he were setting across from me, we
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would have a good nature back and forth. I don't
think he's bitter. I don't think he holds grudges, but
you know, I miss his golf. I wish he were
back here playing the tour. I wish he hadn't.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Left, Yeah, because he was going to be Arnie. He
was going to be and I'll.
Speaker 7 (32:38):
Tell you this, he would be setting in that lead
chair doing commentary, killing it now and is he'd been
making forty to fifty million dollars a year and he
I think he'd be great in the book. He'd beat
a Ryder Cup captain. Yeah, I entertaining us and all that.
So I do golf misses him.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
I think.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Thank you, Branda, have great weekend.
Speaker 7 (32:56):
Thank you too. Always a pleasure to be on the.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Show, Randal Shambly.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
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Speaker 2 (33:09):
It was great great day yesterday, Brent, congratulations on going
into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. It's the Pete
Rosel Radio and TV Award. I don't take any credit
other than letting people reminding people that you weren't in
the Pro Football Hall of Fame. You did all the work.
I just wanted people to remember all the great work
you did. So congratulations, Dan, thank you so much.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
I know that a couple of years ago we had
a conversation out at the Super Bowl in Las Vegas.
I think we were on the rooftop of the Fountain
Blue Hotel and you mentioned it and I wasn't even
on my mind, but you you actually put it forward.
And then later I'm told as I was leaving, you
had Jim Nanz and Jim Nance also echoed what you
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had said. So I want to thank both of you.
It was such an honor yesterday, and you would have
got a kick out of I was honestly just brushing
my teeth and my phone rang and I looked down
and I said NFL Hall of Fame and I said, well,
I wonder what that. So I said, hello, Brent, Coach
Vermeo and I said, yeah, Coach, I said this is
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not your cell phone. This is a different phone. He said, congratulations,
you're the winner of the Pete Rosell level and it was,
you know, mind blowing. I said, listen, Dan Patrick, Jim
Nantz and you coach. You're the ones who put this
forward and I owe you a debt of gratitude. It was.
It was great moments. I just wish Dan, irv Cross, Phyllis, George, Jimmy,
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the Greek. I wish they were still with us to
share in this because they meant so much to the
NFL today and actually this art of my career. So again,
thank you so much for your platform.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Well, you gave me almost an opportunity to dream because
when I watched you do your show when the NFL today,
I remember watching and saying, I can do that. I'm
not a play by play guy. I can do that.
I don't know how to do that. I don't know
if I'd ever get a chance to do that. But
it's the first time in my broadcasting career, or like
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the beginning of it, that I had a direction and
you gave me that direction. And you provided a soundtrack
for people's lives for fifty years, and that's the staying
power is remarkable. But I thank you because you made
it look like you can do. You know, you and
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Costas Bryant Gumbel, guys who are really good. They make
a hard job look easy and that's why there's a
lot of people who want to do this job.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
And you did that.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
It's not easy, but you provided that soundtrack, and I'm
forever grateful for that.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
I'm so appreciative to hear that. So many youngsters through
the years Dan have come up and said, you know,
I really want to get into sportscasting. I love what
you do, and I would spend some time and talk
them through it. But I you know, you touch a
lot of lives. And I was asked yesterday anybody ever
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get upset with you? And I chuckled and I said,
occasionally I would get a letter, a little nasty from
a preacher somewhere who said that I was spoiling church
attendance on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Did you get any feedback, negative feedback when you were
saying you were looking live.
Speaker 5 (36:43):
No, it's interesting. No, everybody sort of gravitated to it
without knowing how it started. And it started because my director,
Bob Fishman. It was a hall of fame director. There
by the way, he at a meeting of the NFL
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Today once early in the week, said that his father
had a friend who loved to bet over unders and
we were coming into November and he wanted the weather
at the Durius stadiums that we were going, and we
didn't have enough time. Remember the NFL Today was a
half hour show. Now those pregame shows go on for days.
But so well, I said, we can't do a weather report.
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But I said, Bob, what if? What if you give
me a live picture? And we started. I think the
first one, damn might have been Soldier Field in Chicago,
because I know it was in November, and so we
used you are looking live and it was kind of
a drizzly, gloomy day at the lake front of Chicago.
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And so the next week at the at the meeting,
Bob said, hey, my father's friend really loved that. He
thought that was great, and so we went from there
to two three different stadiums that we could flash around
the country, and so it became the trade Bard. Honestly,
the only thing I ever insisted in. Bob followed, I
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said it has to be live. I said, we can't
tape stadium pictures and make this up. If I say
you were looking live, let's do it so so so
it went from there, and but no, I never I
never received I don't remember Pete Roselle, who was a
good front of the shows. He would come by, you know,
two or three times a year when he wasn't on
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the roadwatching games. But I don't I don't remember Pete
ever asking me specifically about but you are looking. I've
just began the trademark of the show. That's how that's
how we are.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
But you were kind of dancing around gambling without.
Speaker 5 (38:45):
Oh yes, oh yes, And I remember now, remember now, Jimmy,
we weren't dancing, okay, we were hugging. I mean, I
mean when Bob Wessler called me before year two of
the NFL Today and he said, Brent, do you know
a gambler by the name of Jimmy the Greek? And
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I did, because when I was covering baseball, I would
stop off in Las Vegas and I had met the Greek.
I knew him. And he said, I want to put
him on the NFL today to talk about the games.
And I said, that's fine, but what are we going
to do? With Commissioner Roselle, and of course that led
to the famous meeting that we had for about an
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hour down the Park Avenue NFL offices, and Roselle could
not have been more favorable to what the Greek being
on the show. And then when we got up to
leave to go back the commissioners, Oh, by the way, listen, guys,
do me a favor now when you were at a
meeting with the commissioner and he says favor, we knew
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here came the marching order and he said, please don't
use minus three plus seven minus ten on the segment.
Yes sir, yes sir, you got it, even thought about it.
Walk out and say, how are we going to talk
about if we can't use the points spreads? Okay? So
that that led to the famous checkboard with the Greek,
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and people would figure out if the checks were all
on one team side, he made cover the spread. So
so we went from there. And the only time I
got in trouble after the NF we were doing the
NFC of CBS then was after the NFC Championship game.
The Greek would always slip me a piece of paper
with the spread on the Super Bowl and I would
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always give it, and I'd always get the phone call
on Monday. Don't you ever do that again? Oh gee,
I'm sorry, I forgot.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
Until the next year when you forgot again.
Speaker 5 (40:43):
Exactly. Yeah, you know, I always knew, honestly, if you
go back to the founding of the National Football League.
I mean there were people at bulb with Caama Art
Rooney he gets his stake in the Pittsburgh Steelers by
winning at the horse track, and even people every time
I went to the Kentucky Derby, Pete Rosel was there,
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usually with Wellington Marraw, the owner of the JOFT. So
I knew. And the underground was just full of people
who like to bet on the National Football League. You know,
I'm glad that it's now illegal. And obviously you have
to be careful because a gambling addiction is like an
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alcohol addiction. You got to be careful. You got to
watch people. And I try to tell you youngsters all
the time, you're not going to beat it. I said,
you may think you are, but you're not. I said,
do you want to do it for recreation as I do?
I said, go ahead and enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
If I would have told you nineteen seventy five. Hey, Brent,
you're going to be a Hall of Famer and gambling
is going to be embraced by all sports. What would
you have thought that we've gotten to this point that
gambling is now in place. It's it's almost like you're
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guilted in if you don't gamble on things.
Speaker 5 (42:07):
I'm would have thought you were crazy. Okay, let's tell
you the truth. I uh, both instance. But I never
got into this, you know, dreaming about Hall of Fames.
I went to Canton early in the NFL career to
shoot a segment for it, but I never dreamed about
about going in a and the gambling. I guess I
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always thought it had a chance to be legal, but
I didn't realize how sports were going to embrace it.
And you're so right. I talk to people all the time.
I mean, think about ESPN, which did not exist when
the NFL today started. I mean, we didn't have cable
television like we have. If you go up, I was
watching last night, like a lot of people are watching.
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In the bottom line. You know, there were NBA spreads
and over unders were coming under and I smile when
I see it because I was so provoting back in
the seventies and now it's just part of the coach
And I think, Dan, that's a good thing because I
think it'll just kind of be accepted and go on
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its own way down the road.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
To tell you the truth, I was wondering if you
could get Joe Namath to introduce you at the Hall
of Fame. I mean, you were there when he made
his big proclamation. Oh yeah, and then they were going
to win Super Bowl three.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
Yeah, it's great. It was you know you were talking
about stadiums. Yeah, and the old Orange Bowl. I think
for me, the stadiums always stand out where I have
memories of what happened there. Okay, and Super Bowl three
was was really something because earlier in that week we'd
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gone to Fort Lauderdale and the Bellman sold this Joe
Namath was out back and there were a handful of us.
I was a writer then, and I also worked at BBM,
the CBS radio station, and we went out back and
there was Joe in a lounge chair, the famous picture
with you know, there was a lady behind him getting
an autograph, and people came up and wished him good luck.
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And I tell people it wasn't braggadocio. It wasn't. It
wasn't like, oh, I guarant it was just kind of a
matter of fact, and we're going to win the game.
I guarantee it. And it was just kind of thrown out,
to tell you the truth. It did not become a
big story until after the fact. Dave Anderson, great Columns
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of the New York Times, was with me at a country
club that Joe spoke at, believe it or not, on
Friday night. He was a guest of honor and he
repeated it and it was Dave who And it was
such a small story in the Times, and now it
has become it has become bigger than life. But as
for the game itself, Okay, I was upstairs. It had
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a prespass, but I was in the photographer's box. But
guess who was next to me. Howard Cosell giving me
the flay by plane of the had I was the
one man audience for Howard Cosell at Super Bowl three.
And of course he hated the NFC because the NFC
would not lie, and he loved the AFL. That was
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that was his dream. So he was so proud of Joe.
Willie name us I'll tell you. You know, he called
me mush. I was thinking, Mush, I'll tell you he's
the best.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
So but that's that's one of the iconic moments in
NFL history. Like when you think about it, what it became.
You know, then you had guys who started to guarantee things.
Then it became almost like commonplace where somebody was like, hey,
we're going to win, do you guarantee it?
Speaker 3 (45:54):
You know, I guarantee it.
Speaker 5 (45:55):
You know.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
It was in the footsteps of Joe Willing.
Speaker 5 (45:59):
Absolutely absolutely, and I'll tell you Dan, that game to
me meant more to the merger than anything.
Speaker 9 (46:07):
Now.
Speaker 5 (46:08):
Now, Al Davis meant a lot to the merger because
he started signing quarterbacks who were in the NFL, and
when the George Hallises of the world saw what it
was going to cost them, they also made a move
toward merging. But once Joe Namas you know, I mean
remember now to Greek and Las Vegas made the Baltimore
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coltson eighteen point favorite eighteen point favorite in that game,
I mean, I let that sink in right now with everybody.
Didn't you have you know, I did not bet the
game and I never I never I don't think I
always thought the Colts were going to win. Listen, I
was a Bears guy, Okay, I mean I covered him
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and knew the Hallas that I kind of looked down
a little bit at the AFL. You know, I was
kind of one of the establishment reporters back in the day,
and so I really thought the Colts were gonna win.
I don't think I would have given eighteen points, but
as it turns out, the better of the year would
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have been a Willy Name and the Jets.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
My friend, congratulations again and good luck with Thank you
v's in the sports betting network that you've been that
you co founded there, but uh, long time coming. Glad
to play any role in this, but once again, thank
you for being a friend.
Speaker 9 (47:32):
Oh, by the way, the Gators did well in your pool,
Yes they did. You won the contest, you won the bracket.
Is that more important than going into the Pro Football
Hall of Fame?
Speaker 5 (47:45):
For me? It's whatever. Thank you, Thank you so much, Dan,
Thanks thanks for all your help.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
Thank you buddy. That's Brent Musburg.
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We will talk to Brent Musberger a little bit later
on this morning. Brandal Shambley will join us from Augusta
after what we saw yesterday. But let me start with Brent,
because every generation has a voice that defines how we
remember a game, and for millions of fans, that voice
was Brent Musburger, and he's finally getting his due now.
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The award is called the Pete Roselle Radio and TV Award.
Pete Roselle former NFL commissioner, and Brent has been a
voice for generation for fifty years. When you think about
a Saturday or Sunday or a Monday, and when he
would say you are looking live, it was just it
sounded like something bigger was going to happen. The Rose Bowl,
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the final four, NFL, Sunday's a BCS title game. He
had a voice that when you heard it, you knew
that something was a little more important, a little more special.
The Pete Roselle Award is not just a honoring a broadcaster.
It celebrates really the soundtrack of a lot of our lives.
And Brent gave us moments. He gave us memories. This
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is long overdue. There are some people at the Pro
Football Hall of Fame who reached out yesterday gave me
a heads up before it was officially announced and said,
you guys did it. So a round of applause for us,
because I just kept thinking, Brent deserves to be in
the Pro Football Hall of Fame, just like John Facenda.
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Years ago, I realized John Facenda, the voice of NFL films,
was not in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. I
reached out to a friend who I've known for thirty
five years who works there, and I said, this is
an injustice, and she said, I'll put you in touch
with David Baker, who ran the Pro Football Hall of Fame,
and David said, write a letter. So I go to
McLevin and I said, let's put together a letter and
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send it to the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Maybe
they can give it to the voters and remind them
that John Facenda, the voice of the NFL, was not
in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. And then David
Baker called the show and said, John Facenda is going
in posthumously. I didn't want that to happen with Brent,
And every time I would have him on.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
We saw him in Las Vegas.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
He came by, He's eighty five years of age, and
I said, damn it, we're going to get you in
the Hall of Fame. Whatever role we played, and maybe
it's a small role, but all I wanted to do
is use the platform to remind people that he was
not in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. And when
you think about the certain memories you have, the people
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you remember, the shows you remember, and the impact that
they had on you. The CBS pregame show with Brent,
I mean, that's the first time I go I can
do that. I can That's what I want to do.
I can have a goal where I'm hosting a show
like that. And I never would have thought that. I
didn't have direction. I knew I wanted to be in sports,
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but I saw Brent and I thought, that's what I
want to do. But when you think about starting your
football Sunday, you started your football Sunday with Brent saying
you are looking live. And you know, even now, I
never get tired of that. You are looking live. So
I'm glad he's going in well deserved. He'll join us
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a little bit later on and you know, I tried
to get Jim Nantz involved in it, and I think
Jim was echoing the sentiments to try to get Brent
in as well. So there's a few other people who
certainly picked up the baton and use their platform to
help Brent or remind people that Brent wasn't in the
Pro Football Hall of Fame. So thank you all the
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people involved. Patty.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah, Pauline.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
I go back to two three years ago, we were
talking about the award, the Pete Rosella Award, and I
think it was Fred Goadelli, the great director from ABC,
and we looked up and we didn't see Brent's name
on the list. We saw like Tom Jackson and Andrea
Kramer and Joe Buck and Jim Nance and it almost
looked like this must be a typo. Brent Musburger's name
is not on the list of the Roselle Award for
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contributions to the game as a media member. We actually
double checked because we thought we had it wrong, and
then we brought it up on air, and every time
you said it on air, people would reck.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Like, how can this be?
Speaker 4 (04:25):
It's It's almost like what must have been so obvious
that Brent should be in. No one discussed him being it.
I can't think of any other reason.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah, and you know, I don't want to ask Brent
why he wasn't in, or you know, any of that.
We should be looking moving forward with that. But a
lot of people got involved in this behind the scenes,
and great greatly appreciate that. So we have a poll
question today, Play of the Day, stat of the Day,
all of that forthcoming. Your phone calls are welcome. It's
a Friday. Everybody's in a great mood. Got to meet Friday.
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Brent's news Yeah, you know, nominated for a Sammy, all
great stuff. So, uh seton, what are you gonna go with?
And it's such a great time of the year. You
got golf, the home stretch of the NBA, you got baseball,
you got hockey home stretch. You know, we've got the draft,
you know, coming up in a couple of weeks. So
it's it's really a great time of the year to
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do this for a living or just be a fan. Seaton,
what are we going to go with? First hour?
Speaker 6 (05:24):
Marvinson went actually based on the Brent Musburger getting into
the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Who should Dan get into the Hall of Fame. Next.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
I was thinking about this because my brother, my brother,
who is a big music guy. He goes, Okay, you
used your platform to help Foreigner get into the Rock
and Roll Hall of Fame, because I thought that was
an injustice as well, and even met with their lead singer,
and I'm like, I'm I'm going on my show and
I'm going to talk about Foreigner needs to be in
the rock and Roll Hall of Fame. They get in
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the rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And then we
had John Facenda. Now, Brent, I'm tired. I got to
let somebody else do this. Yes, Paulie, I got a couple.
If you can crank it up.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Man, I don't know. If I have the energy, I'll
throw it too.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
For the Pete Roselle Radio and Television Award. These two gentlemen.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I can't nominate myself, Paulie, that's silly.
Speaker 7 (06:13):
Wait.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Oh, if the award is contributions to growing the game
of football, how about Mel Kuiper.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
Yes again, that's it's tiven a question.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yes, well, we brought this up last year. Yeah, And
we brought this up last year about Mel.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
And Peter King, the writer.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Sure, yeah, do you want to do one at a time,
you want.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Me Mel Kuiper, absolutely positively yes. And Peter you know,
these are these are people who are there. You know,
it's their lives. It's year round. You know, we get
to enjoy football in football season. But with uh, with Mel,
this is year round, this is all Mel does. And
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then with Peter and now he just retired. But yeah,
you're those are two great, great examples of people who
should be nominated. But definitely Mel Kiper. He was doing
it when people weren't doing this. He changed the draft.
Like if you think about what Mel was doing when
he was doing it, how he was doing it, and
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he'd be in his little laboratory and he'd come out
with player profiles and he'd say, you know, this guy
from this college, and this is where he should go.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
And I mean he had his mock drafts. I mean,
he did all of this. He had created an entire industry.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
A cottage industry that is now metastasized into you know,
its own sports world. You got a festival at the draft.
I go back to first draft I went to was
nineteen eighty four, not a bad draft, eighty three I
was there, but I wasn't working. But you know, you
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start to think about what it was. They had those
helmet phones. No one was really there, you know, players
weren't there. Then all of a sudden it just became bigger.
Hey let's televise this.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Now, all of a sudden it becomes Coachella. It's football Coachella,
and Meil helped start that. And I invaluable, invaluable resource
at the Mothership throughout all those in my eighteen years there,
you could always rely on Mel. He would come on
and he was always prepared. He always you know, he
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had direction with everything that he was talking about. He
didn't give you sort of half assed answers, like he
had done his homework and his homework was going to
stand up to gms who didn't like him, or coaches
or players. But he did his homework. So that's a great. Yes,
let's get started on Mel. Get started on Mel, and
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if I have enough energy, then we can work on
Peter King anybody else that needs to be I think
that's good for now.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
Yeah, it's a lot of work.
Speaker 6 (09:03):
Are you going to expand out of just the Pete
Roselle Award because there's lots of other suggestions here, what
else Sonny Vaccaro is a great one arm throughout.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yes, well I even brought that up to Sonny and
I even said it on the show Michael Jordan, Mike,
write a letter Basketball Hall of Fame. Sonny should be
in the Basketball Hall of Fame. Contributions to the game,
Sonny Vacaro changed the game.
Speaker 6 (09:28):
And Mike said, actually, I made Sonny so.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Well, if even if he says that, still write a letter,
you know, that would that would carry a whole lot
of weight. If Mike says Sonny should be in the
Basketball Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Sonny should be writing a letter for me.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Really, But but you know, to get it so, we're
not doing this posthumously. And that's the key, you know,
with Brent being eighty five and Sonny is in his
eighties as well. What he did for the shoe industry
for coaches, I mean really, this was he was doing nil,
you know for these coaches before there was nil anybody
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else seating that I can help.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
Off of Marvin's list, here we got Dale Murphy. Can
you get him into the Baseball Hall of Fame?
Speaker 3 (10:11):
I can't why.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
I love Murph. I think if he had two more
home runs, then he might get ano what he ended
up with three ninety eight, we had two MVPs.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I love Murph.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
He's one of my favorite people I've ever met in
my life, not just athlete. But I don't I don't
think that's going to happen. I think he had to
have four hundred home runs where they go all right,
because then you could kind of put him in there
with Fred McGriff and you could say, all right, you know,
who else do you have? Because you know, Murph was
a catcher and probably not a very good catcher. They
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put him in center field and he became a really
good center fielder.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Yes, Paulie Dan, you know how much round numbers bother me?
That's the Dale Murphy is the peak of round numbers
bother three ninety eight.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
Four hundred.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
He went back to back ends. There was a time
when he was the most feared man in baseball, and
the window was six years five six years.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
But he had some injuries, he didn't win, they didn't
play in big games. But man, I love the team,
Ralph Gard Bob Horner Braves were fun. Get to go
watch them play all the time. When of his living
in Atlanta, who else.
Speaker 6 (11:24):
Do we have their seaton Ken Anderson and get him
into football.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
That's yes.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
If he won that one Super Bowl in Detroit against
Joe Montana, He's in the Hall of Fame. I think
because Kenny Anderson was the most accurate quarterback back when
I don't think we gave a whole lot of credit
to being accurate. I think he had one game where
he competed completed twenty one consecutive passes and back then
you were throwing deep balls Isaac Curtis. But yeah, Kenny
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Anderson I think is a Hall of Fame quarterback. I
do anybody else there's you know, we could start populating
more of that listing. Okay, yeah, you know the audience
may have some suggestions. But man, when I got that
news and my friend at the Pro Football Hall of
Fame and she said, you did it. And I was like,
I saw the press release and I immediately said to
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the Dan net So, I said, we did it.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
What else?
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Eton?
Speaker 6 (12:20):
Actually, speaking of audience contributions, somebody tweeted at us a
crazy thought that maybe we'll get to in the next segment.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Okay, I can take a breatha fun. Yeah, just getting started.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Man, got emotional about this, but that's your childhood, Like
you're seeing somebody who impacted you greatly.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
And that's why I think it. You know, I was
proud to be able to do that.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
All right, Stop crying, Dan, It's a Friday, Okay, I will.
I wasn't crying. It's just kind of emoting a little bit.
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Speaker 2 (14:01):
Love watching, you know, Gulf Central live from U see
at the Ryder Cup or a major, the Masters, and
then I'm always watching Brandal Shambilie because chances are he's
going to say something to piss somebody off. He's really
really good at that. But I watched yesterday, Randall. I
don't think you upset anybody yesterday.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
What's what's going on? You're going soft on us?
Speaker 5 (14:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (14:22):
I kind of had an off day, I guess.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (14:25):
I don't know that I've pissed anybody off this whole week. Dan,
I'm on great behavior.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Yeah, I don't like that I brought this up.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
When you see certain guys like Freddie Couples is sixty
five and he shoots a one under, but you know,
the familiarity there. He's not going to hit it where
everybody hits it. But as Payne Stewart once said to me,
our game is about missus where we miss and being
able to get up and down as opposed to where
the average golfer misses. But that local knowledge, how much
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does that play in with Freddie, you know, being up
there at least hanging in on the leaderboard.
Speaker 7 (15:01):
Yeah, I think in a huge way. I mean, there
are a lot of things that I think helped the
elderly out Augusta National. The fairways there are fifty five
yards wide. Yesterday was just an ideal day for scoring.
It wasn't I mean, yeah, the course in Spots was
firm like fifteen, but it was a goldilocks day. You know,
it was pretty warm, wind wasn't blowing. And then Freddy's
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just he's an unbelievably good golfer and he's aged so
well because the swing is long and it's languid and
it's loose. It's kind of crazy, you know, if you
think about yesterday, Yesterday was really a crazy day. Sneaky.
One of the crazier days I think I've seen. You know,
he had a guy that won twice last year, shooting ninety.
You had a guy on Social Security that shot seventy one.
(15:46):
And when we talk about somebody relieving themselves or going
into Raysed Creek, I should say normally it's because they
hit a shot in there, not because they went in
there to relieve themselves, like the US Amateur champ did yesterday.
He said, though, I'll give him a lot of credit.
He said it was the largest amount of clause he
got all week. And then Rory with the double bogies
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came way back.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
So he's not in trouble, is he? Because you got
to be careful with your demeanor at Augusta. Certainly the
patrons do. What about the golfers.
Speaker 7 (16:16):
I'm sure the Augusta committee wasn't too happy with him.
He said he forgot to go to the bathroom. I
don't know how one does that, but uh, you know
you have to be I guess judicious. There was a
porter potty on the thirteenth tee. I guess he forgot.
And uh, anyway, you know, what are you gonna do?
What are you gonna do when you playing with it,
But you gotta go, you gotta go. But Ray's creek.
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Uh And then what else? What else happened crazy yesterday?
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Well Rory on fifteen and like I was telling people
that that looked like a perfect shot. His his second
shot in it goes right over the stick. Now it's
on the back. Now it's tricky because it can be
it borders on that's unbelievable or oh my god. And
then Nance said right away it's gone because it got
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to that certain point it had a little bit of momentum.
And then Jim says, it's gone. It's in the water.
Speaker 7 (17:07):
Yeah, I mean after it didn't check that first bounce,
he knew it was gone.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
You know.
Speaker 7 (17:11):
The players that had hit that shot conservatively or good,
I mean it checked the first bounce, or they just
were really careful, like Scotti Scheffer hit it back there
and he was really careful. He landed on the fringe.
He left it. Really it's hard to believe it, but
it's a chip shot where you got to be conservative
and as firm as that green is, they all knew it.
It was such a head shot. I mean, Rory, you know,
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I'm i would imagine, you know better than me, but
pulling for Rory, and almost everybody in the world of
golf pulls for Rory, is maybe it's a kin to you.
Tell me, if there's a decent analogy, I may use
it to deny. Would it be like being a Buffalo
Bills fan? You know, they they're awesome, right, and they
just can't quite win the big game? And for the
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last ten years, Rory's been there all the time, and
then he makes these blunders, these head scratchers in major championships.
You know, he's so inconsistent in majors on the one hand,
and on the other he's pretty damn consistent. You just
can't quite figure him out.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Well, rich Lerner, the great host of the program, says,
and you got a little bit frosty, I think when
he said we might look at this and say, Rory
lost the tournament with that double bow GIT fifteen and
double bow GIT seventeen, and then you you kind of
fired back at him. So why do you think Rory
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is still in this thing?
Speaker 7 (18:34):
Because he's playing great. I mean, right up until the
blunder at fifteen, he could have been seven under par
pretty easily, and he was four under par, and he
had really kind of gotten nothing out of the round.
He had so many good shots and not capitalized on them.
He played great coming in here, and Rory tends to
play his best golf when he's kind of out of it,
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and he's not out of it. I maintain that the
lead is really Scotti Scheffler. You know that's the person
you got to beat. No disrespect to Justin Rose. It's
hard to sustain that level of golf that he played
yesterday for four days. He just made a bogue at
the fifth. He's hit some of the worst shots I've
seen somebody hit who's leading a golf tournament. Early in
around number two, fourth old par three pins up front,
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he laid the sod over his approach shot fifty yards
shortly the green. I've never seen anybody do that. And
he got up and down for par, so he kind
of smoking mirrors and then he bogued five. So my
point is he's four back of Scotty Scheffler. Well, you
don't think Rory can make up four shots over three days.
And if I'm Rory, I'm sitting there thinking I got
to go out and get twelve undred par over the
next four days and that should do it. So No,
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I don't think he shot himself out of it, but
he made pretty much all the mistakes he could make yesterday.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
How does Augusta keep this so the scores don't get
out of hand? When you see Deshambo hitting at three
hundred and fifty yards and then you got a short
iron into a Part five rory with that, as you said,
you can blast it there if you miss a fair way,
they's saying a lot about your driving ability or lack thereof.
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But what does Augusta do continue to do to keep
it in a certain number if that's important to them.
Speaker 7 (20:16):
Well, the golf course has a lot of links to it,
you know. The Augusta more than any other golf course
I think in the country has managed to sort of
keep up with the technological and I would say physique
changes in the game of golf. The scoring average yesterday
was seventy three point four. Last year was seventy three
point nine. I mean, you go back forty years, that's
kind of what the scoring average was, so they kept
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in step. The greens are firm, they're the most undulating,
difficult greens in the game of golf. There's plenty of
trouble to wreak havoc out there.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
So the.
Speaker 7 (20:50):
Difficult part of Gusta National is to go around there
not to have some huge blunder because if you make
a mistake, you make it double, you make a triple,
and eventually the winner is the guy who doesn't make
a double bogie for the week. I mean, with few exceptions.
And that's why Scotty Schiffler is so unique. You know,
what makes Scotty great is not any one thing. It's
like what makes any great athlete. It's not any one thing.
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It's just a number of things. He's long, he's straight,
great irons, great chipper, and he's very judicious. He's very
methodical about how he plays the game. And much in
the Tiger Woods or Jack Nicholas.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Fain but Lindersey or has he graduated in now he's
one of the great golfers of all time.
Speaker 7 (21:29):
Oh gosh, you know he's he got to get into
rarefied air. They are five six, seven major championships, twenty
five thirty thirty five, forty wins. I mean, he's he's
a five year run away from you know, having that
sort of moniker attached to him. I mean, this is
what they look like, though, Dan on the way to
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being called that. They look like this.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, And I'm always careful because you see these guys
and they're like unbelievable than all of a sudden, you go.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Where did that guy go?
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Right right?
Speaker 7 (22:03):
It happened with Jordan Speak, Yes, where did that guy go?
It happened with Justin Thomas. He's like, where did that
guy go? Dustin Johnson? Where did that guy go? John
Romm to some extent right now. And it's really hard
to sustain that. And the reason I think we're inclined
to say, Scottie Scheffler, it's going to be less inclined
to have those big valleys is because he's not a
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swing tinkerer. He doesn't think that there's something better next
door or somebody knows something, and he's got such a
well balanced family life. I just can't see him jumping
to live I can't see him jumping to swing teachers.
I can't see him trying to transform his body and
getting injured and all of those things. You know, those
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are sort of life existential hurdles. I don't think he'll
be susceptible to.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
He's Randall Shambley Golf Channel leads studio analyst and you
can watch live for the Masters after the round is included.
You look at the live guys and I wondered about coming,
you know, playing that style of golf in that environment
and then dialing it up to play in this And
John Ram, you know, I think he played pretty well
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at Durrell. I think he had a couple of bad holes.
Deshambo I watched him, but the difference between Deshambo and
John Rahm going from Live to Augusta was what yesterday.
Speaker 7 (23:26):
I feel like John Ram fills extra pressure in major championships.
You know, he's been criticized for being sort of a
turncoat because he had critical remarks about Live initially and
said he had never leave the tour than he did,
so he's been a little critical. He goes over there,
he plays well, and then he comes and plays poorly
in the major championship. So I almost feel like there's
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a lot of pressure on him to perform. And Bryson,
on the other hand, I feel like I feel like
he uses live events to prepare for major championships. He
doesn't really seem to be in him. You know, you
go look and it's and it's not like he's not
lighting them up. You know, this is a guy won
the US Open last year, almost won three of the
four major championships, and he hasn't won a live event
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this year, and live is nowhere near the competition that
he would face the major championships. But like he really
gets up for majors. He's got no pressure on him.
It's like the oposit He freeze it up and gets
after it.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
I think he's great to watch, but it feels like
he's he'll take on anybody. Like he probably says I'm
the best golfer in the world. He probably I don't
care what Scotti Scheffler does, I'm still better than him.
Like that confidence he exudes it, yeah, I mean does.
Speaker 7 (24:35):
It's really fun to watching. You know, he plays the
game with such audacity, such he's like a gambler. On
the one hand, he's like John Daily, you know, in
that he he goes after everything. But on the other hand,
he's like Ben Hogan. Now that you couldn't find two
more incourse figures. You know, he's relentless in his pursuit
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of perfection. But then when he gets on the golf course,
he played with absolute reckless abandon He swings at every
single pitch as hard as he can. He couldn't be
more different than Scotti Scheffler in the way he plays
the game. But the preparation you got to tip your
cap for it. He's you know, he's out there well
after dark a lot of nights. When we're doing life
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for him, we just turn around and there's Bryson on
the range getting after him.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
I was amazed watching your coverage last night. It's eight o'clock.
He's been done for three hours or you know, two
and a half hours. He's out there hammering drives. And
you said there's no more daylight here. I think they have.
Do they have lights on the driving range there for him?
Because he was the only guy who looked like he
was out there.
Speaker 7 (25:39):
You know, it's funny. I didn't turn around to look,
but he was. He was lit like there were lights
out there. I don't know that he needs lights because
he's got the track man or the Quadji's squad right there.
So he just hits and then looks down and that
he doesn't need it. And you know, it's it's dinner
time and it's bedtime.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
But Can you hit too many balls when you're out there?
Speaker 7 (26:02):
Yes, every other player in this field would say yes
to that question, but not him. You know, there's a
there's a there's a ball count going for the week
and almost everybody. It's pretty pretty cool to watch. The
first year I can remember, there's a ball count. There's
a there's a group of datas, you know, statisticians that
count the balls of every player out there. Data Golf.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
It's a good follow up on the driving range.
Speaker 7 (26:24):
Yeah, yeah, Dada Golf does this. So I looked at
it yesterday and it had everybody listed and you know,
the most balls to the lease balls hit and you
go over here to the lease balls hits, and it's
all the guys that are playing the best. They're not
they got it. They're not looking for it. They got it.
And then you know, these statisticians, they're brilliant. They do
a correlation to where the fewest balls correlates to how
well they're playing coming into the week, the most balls
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correlates to the guys they're playing except for Bryson, you know,
and and he's out there hitting thousands of balls over
the course of the week. You'd think you'd be sore.
You'd think you'd be tired all of these things. You
don't want a major championship, but he does it every
dad gum day. You know, as far as I can tell,
he doesn't have kids, he doesn't have a wire, he
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doesn't have a girlfriend. It's just hit him with those
golf balls and he's like Hogan, he really is. This
is something Ben Hogan would be doing.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Do you hold out any hope of Tiger's return, and
if so, what will he look like?
Speaker 7 (27:24):
You know, watching it? I don't know if you probably
watched some of the TGL. It was kind of cool
to watch and Tiger was swinging great in that thing.
And I have had all the hope he was going
to come back and play some good golf this year.
Let's hope. I mean, he's going to be like this
year's probably gone, so it'll be fifty before we see
him again. But as we've seen with Freddy this week,
you know, and as we saw with Phil Mickelson a
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few years ago, these guys can still play some great
golf in their fifties. Tiger's ball speed when I was
watching him in the TGL this year, Dan was it
was almost it was close to one hundred and eighty
miles an hour, and he was pushing off that right foot,
which you know got mangled in that last act it.
So you know, I won't I won't say no, but
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it's really far fest.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
You know, at this point, I'll leave you with this.
I did a story on Byron Nelson. So when he
was alive, he went down to his ranch and he
couldn't swing the club anymore. You know, he was a
lot older, but he wanted to hold the golf club.
And so we're out on the ranch and Hogan was
still alive, and I said, to uh, Byron, I said,
(28:31):
do you think you could call Ben Hogan and I
could do a feature We were doing Legends of the
PGA Tour.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
And he looked at me.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
He goes, oh, no, no, And I said, but I
just you know, I guess he didn't live very far
from Byron. And I'm thinking, hey, if Byron would call
Ben Hogan, maybe Ben Hogan would do a sit down
interview with But Byron looked at me, and he's one
of the nice he's a gentleman, he was one of
the nicest people. And he just gave me this look
(29:01):
like that might be the dumbest question I've heard. Nobody messages.
Nobody messages with Ben, Nobody wants to call him.
Speaker 7 (29:10):
I commend you for the ass. Gary Player famously called
him sometime, you know, after he'd won a couple of
majors and said, you know, I'm having problems with this
or that in my game. And Ben Hogan said, whose
clubs do you play?
Speaker 5 (29:23):
Gary?
Speaker 7 (29:23):
And he said, well, I'm playing Slazenger And he said,
he said, why don't you call mister Slazinger and.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
Asked him.
Speaker 7 (29:32):
He was a hard ass. Loves you to interview him,
and I'd love to see if you could get him
to laugh and open up, because he was. He was
a tough character to crack.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
And people are still looking at his swing as the
holding is the greatest, is the great greatest golf swing ever.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Now I would put Sam Snead up there too.
Speaker 7 (29:51):
Yeah, I mean, look Sam Steeds.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Athleticism, athleticism, Sam Snead even when he was in his seventies.
Speaker 7 (29:57):
Yeah, yeah, there was a sort of a lyrical charm
to Sam sneed swing, you know, folks see, but with
Hogan it had everything. It had powered had the geometry,
it had the artistry. It was like he was Mikhail Berushnikoff.
You know, it's like you just couldn't believe somebody could
swing a golf club that good. Nobody today comes close
to swinging a golf clothes as good as Ben Hogan.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
Nobody.
Speaker 7 (30:16):
He didn't have track, man, he didn't have a video.
I don't know how he did it, Dan, I don't
know how.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
You think it's the greatest golf swing ever.
Speaker 7 (30:24):
Yeah, A Tiger two thousand is the is the closest
thing in my opinion. You know, that's a that's a
dead heat, and I think Hogan gets him in the end.
But because you know, Tiger had every asset of the game,
but from a from a if you said who could
you who would you most like to swing golf? Good
Lord Ben Hogan. Yeah, I don't believe.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
I look at Hogan like Leonardo da Vinci, so ahead
of his time and what he did, and Hogan did
that to the golf swing, and yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 7 (30:54):
Know there's an issue. You can probably find this you
go back and you look. You know, Hogan famously won
the fifty US Open after that accident, and he tied
with I'm not mistaken Lloyd Mangram, who had won the
forty six years Open in George Fozia, right, two phenomenal golfers,
and you go watch them tee off on the first
whole of the playoffs, and you know, George hits, Lloyd
(31:17):
Mangram hits, and then Hogan hits. And if you just
were watching the video of those three golfers who are
all tied in the US Open, you would think, comparatively speaking,
and I don't mean this disparagingly, you would think the
first two were drunks at the driving range. And then
because the symmetry, the movement, the grace, the power, every
(31:37):
movement had a purpose in Hogan swing. It's the most
beautiful thing in the history of golf, no question about.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
That in my mind.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Played ice today, I don't know, try to.
Speaker 7 (31:48):
Piss somebody off it, okay, I don't want to disappointed
for the week.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Dan, I don't know, take a shot at Nicholson.
Speaker 7 (31:57):
That's gotten too easy.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Does he ever come up and say something to you?
Did he come up and say something to you?
Speaker 7 (32:04):
Well, you know, we have mutual friends, good friends. His
kind of best friends are kind of my good friends.
And we have a time or two talked about getting
together and having a you know, a powwow. It hadn't
happened yet. I like Phil, you know, I like I
miss his golf. I think he's a smart guy, and
I think if he were setting across from me, we
(32:25):
would have a good nature back and forth. I don't
think he's bitter. I don't think he holds grudges, but
you know, I miss his golf. I wish he were
back here playing the tour. I wish he hadn't.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Left, Yeah, because he was going to be Arnie. He
was going to be and I'll.
Speaker 7 (32:38):
Tell you this, he would be setting in that lead
chair doing commentary, killing it now and is he'd been
making forty to fifty million dollars a year and he
I think he'd be great in the book. He'd beat
a Ryder Cup captain. Yeah, I entertaining us and all that.
So I do golf misses him.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
I think.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Thank you, Branda, have great weekend.
Speaker 7 (32:56):
Thank you too. Always a pleasure to be on the.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Show, Randal Shambly.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio w APP.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
It was great great day yesterday, Brent, congratulations on going
into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. It's the Pete
Rosel Radio and TV Award. I don't take any credit
other than letting people reminding people that you weren't in
the Pro Football Hall of Fame. You did all the work.
I just wanted people to remember all the great work
you did. So congratulations, Dan, thank you so much.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
I know that a couple of years ago we had
a conversation out at the Super Bowl in Las Vegas.
I think we were on the rooftop of the Fountain
Blue Hotel and you mentioned it and I wasn't even
on my mind, but you you actually put it forward.
And then later I'm told as I was leaving, you
had Jim Nanz and Jim Nance also echoed what you
(33:56):
had said. So I want to thank both of you.
It was such an honor yesterday, and you would have
got a kick out of I was honestly just brushing
my teeth and my phone rang and I looked down
and I said NFL Hall of Fame and I said, well,
I wonder what that. So I said, hello, Brent, Coach
Vermeo and I said, yeah, Coach, I said this is
(34:18):
not your cell phone. This is a different phone. He said, congratulations,
you're the winner of the Pete Rosell level and it was,
you know, mind blowing. I said, listen, Dan Patrick, Jim
Nantz and you coach. You're the ones who put this
forward and I owe you a debt of gratitude. It was.
It was great moments. I just wish Dan, irv Cross, Phyllis, George, Jimmy,
(34:44):
the Greek. I wish they were still with us to
share in this because they meant so much to the
NFL today and actually this art of my career. So again,
thank you so much for your platform.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Well, you gave me almost an opportunity to dream because
when I watched you do your show when the NFL today,
I remember watching and saying, I can do that. I'm
not a play by play guy. I can do that.
I don't know how to do that. I don't know
if I'd ever get a chance to do that. But
it's the first time in my broadcasting career, or like
(35:19):
the beginning of it, that I had a direction and
you gave me that direction. And you provided a soundtrack
for people's lives for fifty years, and that's the staying
power is remarkable. But I thank you because you made
it look like you can do. You know, you and
(35:41):
Costas Bryant Gumbel, guys who are really good. They make
a hard job look easy and that's why there's a
lot of people who want to do this job.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
And you did that.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
It's not easy, but you provided that soundtrack, and I'm
forever grateful for that.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
I'm so appreciative to hear that. So many youngsters through
the years Dan have come up and said, you know,
I really want to get into sportscasting. I love what
you do, and I would spend some time and talk
them through it. But I you know, you touch a
lot of lives. And I was asked yesterday anybody ever
(36:19):
get upset with you? And I chuckled and I said,
occasionally I would get a letter, a little nasty from
a preacher somewhere who said that I was spoiling church
attendance on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Did you get any feedback, negative feedback when you were
saying you were looking live.
Speaker 5 (36:43):
No, it's interesting. No, everybody sort of gravitated to it
without knowing how it started. And it started because my director,
Bob Fishman. It was a hall of fame director. There
by the way, he at a meeting of the NFL
(37:03):
Today once early in the week, said that his father
had a friend who loved to bet over unders and
we were coming into November and he wanted the weather
at the Durius stadiums that we were going, and we
didn't have enough time. Remember the NFL Today was a
half hour show. Now those pregame shows go on for days.
But so well, I said, we can't do a weather report.
(37:27):
But I said, Bob, what if? What if you give
me a live picture? And we started. I think the
first one, damn might have been Soldier Field in Chicago,
because I know it was in November, and so we
used you are looking live and it was kind of
a drizzly, gloomy day at the lake front of Chicago.
(37:48):
And so the next week at the at the meeting,
Bob said, hey, my father's friend really loved that. He
thought that was great, and so we went from there
to two three different stadiums that we could flash around
the country, and so it became the trade Bard. Honestly,
the only thing I ever insisted in. Bob followed, I
(38:10):
said it has to be live. I said, we can't
tape stadium pictures and make this up. If I say
you were looking live, let's do it so so so
it went from there, and but no, I never I
never received I don't remember Pete Roselle, who was a
good front of the shows. He would come by, you know,
two or three times a year when he wasn't on
(38:31):
the roadwatching games. But I don't I don't remember Pete
ever asking me specifically about but you are looking. I've
just began the trademark of the show. That's how that's
how we are.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
But you were kind of dancing around gambling without.
Speaker 5 (38:45):
Oh yes, oh yes, And I remember now, remember now, Jimmy,
we weren't dancing, okay, we were hugging. I mean, I
mean when Bob Wessler called me before year two of
the NFL Today and he said, Brent, do you know
a gambler by the name of Jimmy the Greek? And
(39:07):
I did, because when I was covering baseball, I would
stop off in Las Vegas and I had met the Greek.
I knew him. And he said, I want to put
him on the NFL today to talk about the games.
And I said, that's fine, but what are we going
to do? With Commissioner Roselle, and of course that led
to the famous meeting that we had for about an
(39:27):
hour down the Park Avenue NFL offices, and Roselle could
not have been more favorable to what the Greek being
on the show. And then when we got up to
leave to go back the commissioners, Oh, by the way, listen, guys,
do me a favor now when you were at a
meeting with the commissioner and he says favor, we knew
(39:48):
here came the marching order and he said, please don't
use minus three plus seven minus ten on the segment.
Yes sir, yes sir, you got it, even thought about it.
Walk out and say, how are we going to talk
about if we can't use the points spreads? Okay? So
that that led to the famous checkboard with the Greek,
(40:11):
and people would figure out if the checks were all
on one team side, he made cover the spread. So
so we went from there. And the only time I
got in trouble after the NF we were doing the
NFC of CBS then was after the NFC Championship game.
The Greek would always slip me a piece of paper
with the spread on the Super Bowl and I would
(40:33):
always give it, and I'd always get the phone call
on Monday. Don't you ever do that again? Oh gee,
I'm sorry, I forgot.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
Until the next year when you forgot again.
Speaker 5 (40:43):
Exactly. Yeah, you know, I always knew, honestly, if you
go back to the founding of the National Football League.
I mean there were people at bulb with Caama Art
Rooney he gets his stake in the Pittsburgh Steelers by
winning at the horse track, and even people every time
I went to the Kentucky Derby, Pete Rosel was there,
(41:04):
usually with Wellington Marraw, the owner of the JOFT. So
I knew. And the underground was just full of people
who like to bet on the National Football League. You know,
I'm glad that it's now illegal. And obviously you have
to be careful because a gambling addiction is like an
(41:25):
alcohol addiction. You got to be careful. You got to
watch people. And I try to tell you youngsters all
the time, you're not going to beat it. I said,
you may think you are, but you're not. I said,
do you want to do it for recreation as I do?
I said, go ahead and enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
If I would have told you nineteen seventy five. Hey, Brent,
you're going to be a Hall of Famer and gambling
is going to be embraced by all sports. What would
you have thought that we've gotten to this point that
gambling is now in place. It's it's almost like you're
(42:02):
guilted in if you don't gamble on things.
Speaker 5 (42:07):
I'm would have thought you were crazy. Okay, let's tell
you the truth. I uh, both instance. But I never
got into this, you know, dreaming about Hall of Fames.
I went to Canton early in the NFL career to
shoot a segment for it, but I never dreamed about
about going in a and the gambling. I guess I
(42:32):
always thought it had a chance to be legal, but
I didn't realize how sports were going to embrace it.
And you're so right. I talk to people all the time.
I mean, think about ESPN, which did not exist when
the NFL today started. I mean, we didn't have cable
television like we have. If you go up, I was
watching last night, like a lot of people are watching.
(42:53):
In the bottom line. You know, there were NBA spreads
and over unders were coming under and I smile when
I see it because I was so provoting back in
the seventies and now it's just part of the coach
And I think, Dan, that's a good thing because I
think it'll just kind of be accepted and go on
(43:13):
its own way down the road.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
To tell you the truth, I was wondering if you
could get Joe Namath to introduce you at the Hall
of Fame. I mean, you were there when he made
his big proclamation. Oh yeah, and then they were going
to win Super Bowl three.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
Yeah, it's great. It was you know you were talking
about stadiums. Yeah, and the old Orange Bowl. I think
for me, the stadiums always stand out where I have
memories of what happened there. Okay, and Super Bowl three
was was really something because earlier in that week we'd
(43:55):
gone to Fort Lauderdale and the Bellman sold this Joe
Namath was out back and there were a handful of us.
I was a writer then, and I also worked at BBM,
the CBS radio station, and we went out back and
there was Joe in a lounge chair, the famous picture
with you know, there was a lady behind him getting
an autograph, and people came up and wished him good luck.
(44:18):
And I tell people it wasn't braggadocio. It wasn't. It
wasn't like, oh, I guarant it was just kind of a
matter of fact, and we're going to win the game.
I guarantee it. And it was just kind of thrown out,
to tell you the truth. It did not become a
big story until after the fact. Dave Anderson, great Columns
(44:40):
of the New York Times, was with me at a country
club that Joe spoke at, believe it or not, on
Friday night. He was a guest of honor and he
repeated it and it was Dave who And it was
such a small story in the Times, and now it
has become it has become bigger than life. But as
for the game itself, Okay, I was upstairs. It had
(45:02):
a prespass, but I was in the photographer's box. But
guess who was next to me. Howard Cosell giving me
the flay by plane of the had I was the
one man audience for Howard Cosell at Super Bowl three.
And of course he hated the NFC because the NFC
would not lie, and he loved the AFL. That was
(45:24):
that was his dream. So he was so proud of Joe.
Willie name us I'll tell you. You know, he called
me mush. I was thinking, Mush, I'll tell you he's
the best.
Speaker 2 (45:36):
So but that's that's one of the iconic moments in
NFL history. Like when you think about it, what it became.
You know, then you had guys who started to guarantee things.
Then it became almost like commonplace where somebody was like, hey,
we're going to win, do you guarantee it?
Speaker 3 (45:54):
You know, I guarantee it.
Speaker 5 (45:55):
You know.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
It was in the footsteps of Joe Willing.
Speaker 5 (45:59):
Absolutely absolutely, and I'll tell you Dan, that game to
me meant more to the merger than anything.
Speaker 9 (46:07):
Now.
Speaker 5 (46:08):
Now, Al Davis meant a lot to the merger because
he started signing quarterbacks who were in the NFL, and
when the George Hallises of the world saw what it
was going to cost them, they also made a move
toward merging. But once Joe Namas you know, I mean
remember now to Greek and Las Vegas made the Baltimore
(46:30):
coltson eighteen point favorite eighteen point favorite in that game,
I mean, I let that sink in right now with everybody.
Didn't you have you know, I did not bet the
game and I never I never I don't think I
always thought the Colts were going to win. Listen, I
was a Bears guy, Okay, I mean I covered him
(46:50):
and knew the Hallas that I kind of looked down
a little bit at the AFL. You know, I was
kind of one of the establishment reporters back in the day,
and so I really thought the Colts were gonna win.
I don't think I would have given eighteen points, but
as it turns out, the better of the year would
(47:11):
have been a Willy Name and the Jets.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
My friend, congratulations again and good luck with Thank you
v's in the sports betting network that you've been that
you co founded there, but uh, long time coming. Glad
to play any role in this, but once again, thank
you for being a friend.
Speaker 9 (47:32):
Oh, by the way, the Gators did well in your pool,
Yes they did. You won the contest, you won the bracket.
Is that more important than going into the Pro Football
Hall of Fame?
Speaker 5 (47:45):
For me? It's whatever. Thank you, Thank you so much, Dan,
Thanks thanks for all your help.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
Thank you buddy. That's Brent Musburg.
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