May 14, 2025 • 51 mins
On today's Dan Patrick Show, DP reacts to Major League Baseball reinstating banned individuals who have passed away. Should Pete Rose be elected into the Hall of Fame? FOX Sports Analyst Nick Wright discusses how baseball can't pretend controversial legends never existed and breaks down the dilemma of Giannis' future plans with the Bucks. Hall of Fame Catcher Johnny Bench discusses MLB's ruling and shares which home run sound still lingers in his mind.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We'll talk about the Pete Rose situation coming up in
a moment. There was something said after the Cavaliers were
closed out last night. Donovan Mitchell, who's a wonderful player,
played through an injury. Team was banged up a little bit,
and he had this parting shot for the media getting.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Beat down like this, and y'all are going to write
some about us, man, and that's going to be fuel,
Like you know, fuel for everybody. Y'all gonna say a lot,
y'all are and that's what it takes. I've been here,
so I understand. We understand, and now we just got
to use it as fuel for next year.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Okay, you're trying to make it a positive, but to me,
you're gonna blame the media. The media didn't lose three
games at home. The media was there and praised you
sixty wins. Now it's gonna be the Cabs against the Celtics.
Don't like the media loved the story here you got
the coach of the year, defensive player of the year,
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Donovan Mitchell. It was a great story. Well, and I
know after a loss like that, you're embarrassed. You thought
you were going to go to the NBA Finals or
certainly the Eastern Conference Finals. But don't pin this on
the media. I mean, you can blame us for a
lot of things. I wasn't the one who let Tyrese
Haliburton go off. You guys did. And I think we
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were giving you a haul pass to a certain degree
because of all the injuries. You weren't healthy, but you
knew the Indiana Pacers were going to go toe to
toe with you whether you were healthy or not. They
were going to take you to a six or seventh
game in my opinion when the series started. Okay, Pete
Rose situation and the nineteen nineteen Black Sox. By the way,
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the movie Eight Men out Shoeless Joe Jackson. And now
they are off the permanently banned list. Now they can
be under consideration to be on a ballot to be
voted on. But that you know, we're far from people
getting into the Hall of Fame. Just want to let
you know, Baseball the Hall of Fame is maintained that
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anyone removed from Baseball's permanently Ineligible list will become eligible
for the Hall of Fame consideration. They have a Historical
Overview committee. Now they will come up with eight names
and then they'll evaluate these candidates. So these aren't just
guys who have been suspended are permanently ineligible. It's not
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just Pete Rose and the nineteen nineteen Black Songs. You
had guys like Dick Allen, Tommy John, Dave Parker, Louis Tiant,
Steve Garvey. They were voted on by this committee. Now
that's twenty twenty four, and Dick Allen and Dave Parker
got in. I hope Steve Garby gets in. But so
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these are guys who just had great careers, but maybe
the whull of very good. They're not going to meet
again until December of twenty twenty seven. We got a
lot of time in between. It's not a foregone conclusion. Now, Uless,
you want to talk about cheating the game. The White
Sox known as the Black Socks, they threw the World Series, Like,
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that's cheating the game? Did Pete cheat the game? He
gambled on the game, and they don't have anything on
him as a player. Now, do I think there's information
about that, Yes, I do, But what they have the
information is about him as a manager here. I've said
before I grew up in Cincinnati. I've interviewed Pete many
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many times. He said that he only bet on the
Reds to win, and said that to me a few
years ago, and I understand what he means to the game.
I know that the Hall of Fame is a museum
and they can do whatever they want to do. The
Hall of Fame is separate from base, but really they
work in conjunction. Hall of Fame is not going to say, Hey,
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we're going to go rogue and we're going to do this.
It is a museum. But nobody has benefited more from
the Hall of Fame without being in the Hall of
Fame than Pete Rose. Because if Pete was in the
Hall of Fame twenty five years ago, nobody would care
and be like, oh, yeah, saw Pete. All the memorabilia there? Yeah,
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going through Cooperstown. I mean Pete would go up there
on the weekend that guys were getting into the Hall
of Fame and he would hijack that weekend. He would
do card signing appearances. Pete never changed. That was the
problem I had, And I talked to the former commissioner,
Bud Seely on the record, Off the record, privately, Pete
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had no contrition. He never apologized. He only said that
he did it after he was writing a book to
make money. Do I want it over with?
Speaker 4 (04:57):
I do.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Either he's in, or he's at vote and he doesn't
get in, or he does get in. And this doesn't
open the door for steroid users. They truly cheated the
game every single game, but they got on the ballot.
I don't want them in now. There's some that are
probably already in, but Pete is a unique situation. Shoeless
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Joe Jackson, I think hit three seventy five in that
World Series, and he's accused of helping to throw the
World Series to the Cincinnati Rens. But Pete to get
where he is, I'm not surprised. I truly think this
was maybe a quid pro quo with President Trump, and
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I think that President Trump knows that this will play
to the mass is every you know, most people want
Pete in the Hall of Fame, and I think that
President Trump knows that he can take a victory lap
with this. And whatever that discussion was with the Commissioner,
Rob Manfred, who we did invite, he said that he's
busy today. If he does have time, this will be
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the one show he will do. Something was said in
that conversation that made the commissioner maybe reconsider. Pete's family
came to the commissioner, they appealed, They wanted to appeal this.
I think Baseball wanted to make sure that Pete Rose
did not have his day in Cooper's town, that he
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did not have the opportunity to get up there live
with a microphone in his hand and able to say
whatever you wanted to say. Although if Pete does get
in posthumously, I'd be really curious who is going to
give the speech and what are they going to say
in that speech? If it's Pete's son, are you going
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to do fire in Brimstone or are you just going
to go thank you for allowing my father into the
Hall of Fame. There's a lot of reaction to this,
and that's why we'll have Johnny Bench on. He'll join
a little bit later on that. The steps to get
into the Hall of Fame, it's there's still a long
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and winding road here, but I think that's where people
have the foregone conclusion of Hey, he's getting in the
Hall of Fame soon. And the answer is he's not.
And this committee is made up of former players, former
writer or maybe current writers. But you have a group
that's involved in this, and they're going to be the
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ones voting. I think there's sixteen people on this committee,
the Historical Committee. But make no mistake about it, you
still have players who played the game the right way,
had really good resumes. They just didn't make the Hall
of Fame when they went through the normal process there.
But you got some really good players and I think
shoeless Joe Jackson should go in before Pete Rose does.
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If you're going to have a vote on this, and
do you do it? Chronell? How many of those players
with the White Sox nineteen nineteen are Hall of Fame worthy?
Maybe one, two, maybe three? That's it. Put Pete on there.
You got other guys, Louis till On, Steve Garvey. You
know they're gonna get votes. They're gonna get you know,
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all of a sudden, you got Steve Garvey there and
then you got Pete Rose. Who are you voting for
if you're on this historical committee? And how many of
these former players are going to go Nope, not going
to vote for him. Now Johnny Bench has come out
and said, hey, I hope Pete gets in the Hall
of Fame. I think the Commissioner got to the point
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where now he can wash his hands from with this.
Every time he's on the show, any show, Pete Rose
comes up. Now he's done. Now he might have to
answer to me like why now if Pete was still alive.
But the commissioner's not voting voting on this. And you
know when they say permanently ineligible means after you've died.
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Now you change the language too, it's a lifetime ban. Well,
the life time is over. His life is over. Now
he can be up for consideration. I think that's the
tricky language that the commissioner changed edited. But you know
they even said that Pete, you know, it's not a
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threat to the game anymore. That was kind of strong language.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
I don't. I don't.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
When I saw Pete in a wheelchair, I'd be like,
I don't think he's a threat to anybody right now?
Speaker 5 (09:35):
Yeah, Paulie, Yeah, the quote was obviously a person no
longer with us cannot represent a threat to the integrity
of the game. It's hard to conceive a penalty that
has more deterrent effect than one that lasts a person's
lifetime with no reprieve.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
By the way, it's Pete Rose Knight tonight at Great
American Ballpark. Coincidentally, the Reds will honor the career of
Pete Rose with a special celebration tonight at Great American Ballpark.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
All right, and.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Guess who they're facing? The White Sox. You couldn't script.
Oh my goodness, everybody get black socks that did come in.
These are the red sauce, the red stockings versus the
black Sox. Here Pete Rose. Everybody gets a Pete Rose
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replica jersey that shows up tonight. Pete Rose. You can't
this was planned? Or maybe they did script this? Yeah?
Was it planned? Dang? See alright, you know it would
be great, guys. Yeah, I know that's what I'm thinking.
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Hold on, hear me out. Okay, all right, I'm gonna
announce this Pete Rose thing. How about Hey, how about
we get a hold of Cincinnati and then we say, hey, guys,
how about a Pete Rose night? Sure? Yeah, yeah, we'll
do that. We'll have him played the white size. Oh
so it's white sax I. No, No, we're not going to
celebrate them. We're only celebrating Pete and it's May fourteenth
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and he wore the jersey number fourteen. We've got it. Okay, yes,
don I bet that's a tough ticket. Okay, so soon, so.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
Come on, let's parlay too, okay?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Oh okay? Greg and Florida, Good morning, Greg. What's on
your mind today?
Speaker 6 (11:35):
Hey? Good morning? Six foot plus one handicap?
Speaker 2 (11:38):
WHOA.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
I grew up in Clearwater, Florida, and uh, I was
fortunate enough to be able to watch old Charlie hustle
end of his career when the Phillies got him, you know,
his steady and Lesinski. What a team. And boy, I
just sat at the fence and was watching him, and
he truly did hustle everywhere he went, jaw and he
was just the iron man. It was, it was, it was.
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It was stunning watching that man on the field, by
the way. But now conversely, when it comes to the
special Awards and all this stuff, Shooter Show, Jackson, all
of them, any of them, look you cheat the game,
they look into it, they give you a ban just
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because Major League Baseball is teaming up with the gambling
stuff and we're all becoming Dejenner. Gambling's okay now, so
it doesn't change what deep act of what he did.
Live die go on. He did what he did to
give him eligibility. To me is is putting a stamp
on it. Well, but it's okay to be to do
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wrong about the game knowingly. That's the thing, knowingly doing wrong.
So I don't think twenty years, forty years, a hundred
years should make a difference. And cheat is a cheater.
Someone who does wrong is done wrong, and that's that.
Have a nice day out of McGill. It's not the
bad message to the kids.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
All right, Well, thank you, Greg. So this overview committee,
they'll get together the twenty twenty seven Classic Baseball Era
Committee ballot. So you need twelve votes by the sixteen
member committee, and the committee has made up of four
former players, four former executives for writers, and four historians.
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And then you're voted on to be inducted in the
summer of twenty twenty eight. That's where you have to understand,
you know, the timing of this is not all of
a sudden later this summer peats in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
Yeah, Pauline, this does bring us back to the original
topic with Pete Rose is he stopped playing in nineteen
eighty six, he instantly became a manager. He was only
like a couple of years away from being on the
Hall of Fame ballot before this story broke. Let's say
the story broke ten years after his career and he
was already in the Hall of Fame. Would he have
been pulled I doubt it.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
OJ's not pulled out of the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
Right, So let's say, if this committee actually discusses Pete Rose,
should they look at his playing career as the only
topic in the room.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Yeah, and I'm repeating myself, but I've done this for
decades now that I liken Pete Rose to cheating in
grad school getting caught cheating in grad school, I do
not take away what he did as an undergraduate, Like
he got his degree and you know what was suma
kum laude. But he cheated in grad school and he
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got caught. Can I separate the two? You can try.
I don't think Pete started gambling when he became a manager. Okay,
let's just let's let's be fair about this. Do I
think he bet on sports when he was playing? Absolutely
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I know that for a fact. Do I know about
be I do not know that, but we know about
him as a manager. Do I think there's more information there?
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (15:08):
I do.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
The question is does it come out or is this
commissioner going to say, let's judge Pete on just what
we know about Pete, which is fine. I don't think anybody.
You know, there's very little investigative reporting anymore in the
sports world. I don't know if anybody is going to
take the time to dig into this, try to find
out if there's more to this. Feels like we kind
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of passed that. And you know, unfortunately I would love
to have seen Pete give a speech. I would, and
we won't have that. And they have all his memorabilia there.
And that's where people say, well, baseball is capitalize on
Pete Rose. Yes, yes, he's still part of the history
of the game. Yeah, they trot him out for certain events,
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Yes they do. Baseball can be hypocritical here. Pete could
have turned those things down. He could have said, no,
I don't want to be part of this until you
make me part of baseball officially. I don't want to
be part of it. But Pete was there. Do an
interview with Jim Gray and Jim Gray's asking him about gambling.
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I just think Pete thought he was bigger than the game.
I think until he died, he still thought he was
bigger than the game. And that was the unfortunate part.
Bud Selig said to me, well, I suggested it to
the commissioner. I said, you know what, have Pete go
into the minor leagues and spend a couple of years
traveling around and he could be a gambling ambassador to
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what not to do and help these kids understand the
price that he paid. If there was contrition, I think
Pete would have been in the Baseball Hall of Fame.
I think if he would have apologized, he fought baseball
and they had him. They had so much information, so
much data on it. But I think if he had
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done that and created this goodwill ambassador, I think he
would have already been into the Baseball Hall of Fame.
But what made Pete great is what kept him out
of the Hall of Fame. He refused to give in.
That's Pete. Roger Clemens is this way, Lance Armstrong this way,
Barry Bonds this way. What made you great is what
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is going to keep you out of the Hall of Fame.
But now it's up to this committee to decide. But
make no mistake about it, this is not happening anytime soon.
As far as Pete getting in or getting on a ballot,
you got to wait till December of twenty twenty seven.
We'll take a break. Thanks for listening to The Dan
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We'll talk to the Hall of Famer Johnny Bench on
the news yesterday with Pete Rose taking off the permanently
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Ineligible list. Nick Wright, host of First Things First on
Fox Sports One Monday through Friday every afternoon and What's
Right with Nick Wright on YouTube and wherever you get
your podcasts. Great to see you. Did the Commissioner have
a good day? Commissioner of Major League Baseball have a
good day? Yesterday?
Speaker 7 (18:24):
Wow?
Speaker 8 (18:24):
This is a have you before I answered the question?
I didn't hear the top of your show?
Speaker 7 (18:30):
Did you?
Speaker 8 (18:31):
You're kind of you know, one of, if not the
current godfather of American sports radio. Did you have a
moment of silence for should Pete Rose be in the
Hall of Fame? Topic like potentially dying of being gone?
It's been it's always been a go to if need
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be break lass in case of emergency, for your entire career,
and those days may be numbered. I don't even know
what to compare this too, but it is. It's like
if you did a talk show about, you know, should
they tear down the Berlin Wall, and then it's announced
it's coming down, Like what are we gonna do here?
Speaker 7 (19:11):
So, yeah, I think it's a good day.
Speaker 8 (19:13):
And I also think maybe I'm just Oh, I'm obviously
not an idiot, but maybe this is an idiotic opinion.
I thought it was obvious that once a guy dies,
a lifetime ban is over. I thought the whole point
of it was like, while he's alive, he can't be
a part of it.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
But it was not a lifetime ban. It was a
permanent ban. People misconstrued what the band was. It was
a permanent, not lifetime. Now the commissioner has since altered
that language. Now it's a lifetime ban.
Speaker 8 (19:46):
So Okay, so that bad job by me. I didn't
realize that. But yeah, I think that's what it should be.
Speaker 7 (19:52):
I think we've talked to this before.
Speaker 8 (19:54):
A hall of fame should be museums in my opinion,
and I if you want to in theory, you should
be able to go to a hall of fame knowing
nothing about a sport and if you spend enough time
there get the full totality of the history of it.
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Maybe it'll take a month being there ten hours a day.
Speaker 7 (20:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (20:18):
So I just thought I always thought there were obvious
things like I thought that if you wanted to include
on plaques of certain guys played in, you know, a
segregation era, played in what is commonly known as the
steroid era, was banned from the sport do to gambling,
like those things like that's part of the story. But
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I don't like the idea of we're just going to
act like these guys didn't exist. And I also don't
like the voters, you know, the way they have treated
the steroid guys, because to me, it is short changing
this what the Hall of Fame is supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, I'm with you on the museum part of it.
And I don't think anybody has benefited more than Pete
Rose did by not being in the Hall of Fame.
Sure twenty five years ago. If he's in the Hall
of Fame, we don't bring up his name. But it
became a campaign in a crusade. I do think the
commissioner Major League Baseball meeting with President Trump may have
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had a quid pro quo where Donald Trump wanted him in.
Oh it's not like him, are you? You don't think
we had.
Speaker 7 (21:30):
With this administration?
Speaker 9 (21:32):
Will your lips sighre on? What a scurls alligation? I know,
with any with any data whatsoever. This is why people
don't trust the liberal media.
Speaker 7 (21:44):
Dan my god, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yeah. But I think Pete getting off the list, you know,
people think this is just gonna be rubber stamped. He's
going into the Hall of Fame, which he still has
to go through this committee that doesn't get together until
December of twenty twenty seven, and just to get on
the ballot. So I think this is a long process.
I do think Pete will get that opportunity, But I
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would put shoeless Joe Jackson in before Pete, or put
him on the ballot before Pete Can I.
Speaker 8 (22:15):
Ask you a question and then I know you want
to get to other things, and this might I am
putting you on the spot, So I apologize.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
Okay, did you like Pete Rose?
Speaker 2 (22:23):
I loved Pete Rose. I didn't always like him.
Speaker 8 (22:28):
No, so you I mean you were I knew as
a player. But I'm like, I assume my only interaction
with Pete Rose my entire life was my grandparents lived
in Boca when I was a kid, and my granddad
was a horse better and he would sometimes take me
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to the track and we'd see Pete Rose there.
Speaker 7 (22:52):
All the time.
Speaker 8 (22:52):
And one time I said, hello, I assume you had
maybe dozens of.
Speaker 7 (22:57):
Interactions with him, And I'm just curious, like.
Speaker 8 (23:00):
If you liked him, because I it doesn't. It's an
odd thing because even people who think like I think
that he should be in the Hall of Fame, I
don't think viewed him as a super sympathetic figure or
even that necessarily likable of a figure.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Well, it didn't help his case that there was no
active contrition. He never apologized. He never said how do
I make good on this? How do I help major
League Baseball? Had he done that, I think he would
have already been in the Hall of Fame, and we'll
talk to Johnny Bench coming up next hour. A couple
other things I want to bring to your attention. I
don't know if you heard about we were doing the
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Hall of Very Good in the NBA, So I don't
know if you have, and you always like to do
tears on your show in the afternoon. I don't know
if you had a Hall of very Good like Joe Johnson,
let's say Jamal Crawford. There's guys who probably aren't going
in the Hall of Fame, but the Hall of Very Good.
Speaker 7 (23:56):
So I love that.
Speaker 8 (23:58):
But when it comes to the NBA, that to me
is really applicable to the NFL because there's a lot
of legends that aren't ever going to make the Hall
if we had. If I were doing it with the NBA,
the way I would do the Hall of Very Good
is taking a bunch of guys who are actually in
the Hall out and putting them in that hole like
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the I mean.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
There are there's too many in the basketball Hall of
Shame right.
Speaker 7 (24:26):
To where it's almost as if if you have.
Speaker 8 (24:29):
A noteworthy career and you're not considered it, like I'll
give you an example, Al Horford might make it.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
I think he will because of the two titles in Florida.
Speaker 8 (24:42):
Well right, yes, and and listen, everybody likes Al Horford
is it's kind of mean of me to pick him,
but it's just that came to mind at no moment
in his entire professional basketball career where you're like, man, shoot,
we got Al Horford, like he was a good player
for a long time and he'll probably make it.
Speaker 7 (25:03):
As you said, like there are hovg yeah.
Speaker 8 (25:08):
I mean at this point, like Jalen Brown is damn
near a lunk like for the and he's twenty eight
years old and it's so yeah, I so I have
very controversial opinions on this, uh, which is so we
Another thing we do on the show free Plug is
Club Superstar for the NBA annual event opening again end
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of May, and it's twelve guys maximum, which means like, oh, shoot,
is Tyre's Halliburton now in Club Superstar? And the answer
to that question is yes, somebody's got to come out.
I wish that's how a Hall of Fame worked. Like, listen,
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there's ninety six Hall of Famers or whatever the number is,
so well.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
You know, hey, I'm gonna be a relegation in your
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 8 (26:00):
Yeah, I mean, you can't support this because it'd be
so bad for your guy, Reggie, But it would be
very exciting. It would be very exciting if it was
now you can say, every you know, decade because the
league numbers expanded, we had five total new Sponts or whatever.
But guys who like got into the skin of their teeth,
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they get to have the ceremony, they get to have
the plaque, but they know I'm probably just keeping somebody
seat warm, which I think would be cooler.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
We're talking to Nick Wright, host of First Things First
on Fox Sports one and What's Right with Nick Wright
on YouTube wherever you get your podcast. Give me the situation,
the most awkward offseason situation with let's say Milwaukee, let's
say Denver, let's say Golden State, Boston, with you know,
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exits from the playoffs and moves that might be or
need to be made, trades that need to be made.
Speaker 7 (26:55):
Well, I mean, I can go one by one if
I may. Boston. What happened to Boston in the last seventy.
Speaker 8 (27:01):
Two hours is you know, a sports tragedy in that
they they thought maybe rightfully so that we went cold.
The first two games were better than the Knicks. We're
obviously better than the Cabs. And I think, listen the
Pacers last people forget last year the Pacers Conference finals.
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Halliburton got hurt early Game two, and so we didn't
really get to see that, but I'm sure they felt
comfortable we're gonna win the championship and be in good position,
maybe even for a three peat. Now, the next time
Jason Tatum plays basketball, Al Horford won't be on the team,
Kristaps likely won't be on the team, Drew or Derek
White might not be on the team. And that team
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that people were talking about, that team pairing away even
if they win because of the finances of it. So
there's that. I think Denver, even if they lose this series,
has done enough to where they can feel better about
their direction than they did when they fired Mike Michael
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Malone obviously, and you're seeing just enough from Strawther and
Watson like maybe they get better and you hope you
get a healthier Michael Porter Junior.
Speaker 7 (28:14):
I think Golden State has finished.
Speaker 8 (28:16):
Now, I've said that before, and you know, Draymond's made
fun of me, and that's fine, But I I do
Anybody trying to concoct a Yanna's trade to Golden State
doesn't understand how the CBA works and assets work. So
I just I don't see And I don't think Jimmy
Butler's getting better.
Speaker 7 (28:34):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 8 (28:35):
I think we are seeing that at thirty five years old,
playoff Jimmy has real limitations. I think Milwaukee here is
the other part of the Tatum injury. Does that give
Yanni's pause where he's like, maybe I give this one
more year? Like the Calves are the Calves, by the way,
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or a second Apron disaster. I have a thought on
them in a seat. The Celtics are self eliminated. You know,
I'm gonna train all summer with just a picture of
John Halliburton, Tyrese's dad in.
Speaker 7 (29:11):
My you know, for motivation.
Speaker 8 (29:13):
Maybe the East do If I'm Yannis, do I want
to go west?
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Where?
Speaker 8 (29:20):
Honest to God, Dan, if you were to list if
Jannis goes West and Tatum is injured, if you were
to list the twenty best players in the NBA, sixteen
would be in the West. Jalen Brunson, Donovan Mitchell, Tyrese
Halliburton and then Nayland Brown, Jalen Brown or towns like
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is that those? Everyone else is in the is in
the West. So does Jannis want to do that? And
so I think all that's fascinating. I also think because
of everything I just said, Eh, year twenty three, go home,
win a title with Cleveland or at least make another
finals is something for Lebron James. Oh, it's something that
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you couldn't go there if they's won sixty four games,
made the finals, but when they just keep getting clocked
in round two and it's like, oh, who's your starting three,
Max Struce, I think I'm an upgrade.
Speaker 7 (30:21):
I think I would help out a little there.
Speaker 8 (30:23):
Now the real question there is what do the Cavs
have to trade to get Bronny?
Speaker 7 (30:26):
Because rob Olinka gonna hold their feet.
Speaker 8 (30:28):
To fire on that one.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Boy, Uh, what do you think trying to handicap Lebron?
You want to win one more title? You're not gonna
win it with the Lakers? Well, I listen not. I
don't think how they're they're constructed. I think Austin Reeves
is probably the movable piece there. But I I mean,
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you got to get a big guy, and I don't know.
Speaker 8 (30:57):
Do you trade Austin Reeves straight up for Malawatch like
the kid out of Duke. So say he's gonna be
that ninth pick just now.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
I mean he's he's got to develop. And now I
got Lebron.
Speaker 8 (31:14):
That probably yeah, I mean that to me makes a
lot of sense for the Lakers. For Luca, like you know,
a young defense, catch lobs, block shots. But for Lebron,
I don't know. I so listen, I am such a
Luka Doncic believer. I know that, you know, half the
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NBA fans seem to think he's just a fat alcoholic.
I think he's a guy who carried a mediocre team
to the finals last year. I think he'll be fine.
I thought, and I it has broken like this for
a while, that I that the way the brackets broken
that I thought the Lakers had a really good chance
to come out of the West. And now when you
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see it like you're like, oh, maybe they did. The
problem is they played terror William Minnesota played great, So
I don't I think. I don't think they'd be drawing
dead as long as they added a big going into
next year. But obviously the East, that path is wide
open right now, and so I, yeah, the Cleveland thing
to me is worth pondering for a moment. Now, he'd
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have to basically play for the minimum, and we know
the rules on Lebron James. If he plays for the max,
he's greedy, and if he plays for the minimum, he's
rigging it. So he's gonna get criticized either way. But
I think that's something that would be worth considering.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Being in New York. Are you caught up on the
Knicks hysteria? Yeah?
Speaker 8 (32:42):
Oh yeah, and listen, I'm no, I'm no Dan Patrick.
I don't get free tickets to things. I'm buying tickets
to these games. Really, I'm yeah, because I don't ask
for press passes because I feel like I don't know man,
like I'm I don't want a I don't want to
feel like they did me a favor.
Speaker 7 (33:00):
I own this whatever.
Speaker 8 (33:01):
And I'm not covering like I'm not covering. I'm not
going in the locker room, you know what I mean.
I'm not covering the games. So no, I buy tickets.
And so I went to Game two against Detroit. I
went to Game three against Boston. So I've actually been
to two Knicks losses, but yeah, it is exhilarating and
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the city feels an extra verb because the thing is this,
the Knicks are the only team that everyone in the
city roots for, like Yankees, Mets, Giants, Jets, you know, Rangers,
Devil's Islanders. And I know people are like, what about
the Brooklyn Nets. The Brooklyn Nets don't have fans. They
don't and so the I did have season tickets to
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Brooklyn for a year because I didn't listen. I wanted
to watch Kde and Kyrie and Harden, but I I
got rid of those once they got rid of those players.
But the Garden is really just unlike any other spot,
and it is yeah, I mean the so, yeah, the
city feels very alive.
Speaker 7 (34:03):
Are you coming to any games.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Now this guy?
Speaker 7 (34:08):
Once you've I mean I could at the finals. You're right,
it just can't go to Nick.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
You hang out with Jordan after he wins another title.
Speaker 8 (34:18):
By the way, shout out to NBCIX. I know that's awesome,
and I listen, what do you.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Think his role is going to be a gambling expert? Wow,
that's a walk off. That's a walk off. That's Nick right,
host of First Things First on Fox Sports One and
What's Right with Nick Wright on YouTube wherever you get
your podcast. We'll take a break. We'll be back after
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ineligible list. That was the difference. People thought it was
a lifetime ban, and then Pete dying in September, therefore
time to lift the ban. It was a permanently ineligible
it was not a lifetime ban. The commissioner has since
re edited, re edited or reframed it to say now
it's the lifetime ban. Pacers close out the Cavaliers. They
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Whole question, Seaton before we get to Johnny Bench. Yet
we got up there right now. Do you agree with
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Rob Manfred's decision? Sixty one percent say yes they do.
It's bringing Johnny Bench the Hall of Famer Johnny great Sea. Again.
Let me ask you the question, do you agree with
what the commissioner did yesterday?
Speaker 6 (36:26):
I do.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
I just I think he's done more work than you
can imagine to try to figure this out. I think
it had to be agreed upon by the Hall of Fame,
though I think that was a question mark that had
to be done. Jane is the person that's basically, you know,
what's the sanctification of the Hall of Fame and that
it hopefully all members of the Hall of Fame. Although
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we know there's been question marks about it, whether it
be peds or whether it be past history or people
that have been elected to the Hall of Fame. But
for the commissioner, I think he I know personally that
I've talked to him. I know there's others that have
talked to him. I know that he's trying to get
the temperature of what it was. I think the temperature
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was mixed. I think I think like the voting is
sixty one percent. I think the percentages were one way
or the other with some Hall of famers. Do you
take a poll of the Hall of Famers, or you
take a poll of the writers, or you take a
poll of just the dan Etz and I think you're
going to wind well. I mean, there are fans and
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they understand what's happened with Pete and with the Black
Sox scandals. I mean the one person I mean, as
you may, as you know, Ted Williams was a staunch
supporter of shirless show Jackson, and they keep saying, well,
there was no evidence against it, and he hit three
something or four hundred. So I guess the feel is
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all I can say is it is a perfect time
for this thing to come out, because right now, as
we prepare for the day. I am not in Cincinnati,
but they are honoring Pete at the stadium. There will
be forty two thousand people coming out and maybe more
now that this announcement has been done. But for the
Rose family, I'm extremely happy for them that it's all
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somewhat behind us.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Why wait until Pete dies?
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Well, that's I think that there was some concern that
it would He wanted to get into the game of
baseball as far as what has been talked about. He
wanted to still be a manager or something like that.
I think that created some problems, the fact that whether
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somebody would actually hire him at this point or what
position he would be in. And I think there was
still okay, you know, we still have to have a
certain caution here. We got to put up some yellow
flags and in most cases a lot of red flags
and make sure that none of this happens. I really
believe it was a push by so many people. I
think the Commissioner's ruled on it twice. I know Bud
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Jim Bud Seeley ruled on it two or three times,
and the consensus was that he was not going to
He was permanently banned, and so I think there's they're
cutting hairs a little bit on whether now that he's deceased.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Now, it's okay, you probably know this better than anybody.
How do you think Pete would react today if he
were alive about damn time?
Speaker 4 (39:37):
What took him so long? About damn time? Uh? No.
I think he wanted to He wanted to be voted on.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
I think he felt like he never had that opportunity
and everything else, and I think that was his one
one thing. I think he always believed that had he
been on the ballot, that he would have been voted
into the Hall of Fame. Now, what the what the
Hall of Fame has not done, I think is make
a space for Pete in the Hall. And you know,
we we honor different groups of baseball players. We honored catchers,
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and we honored day, We honor the heroes and what
did baseball and legends and everything else. I think it's
a perfect spot for the Hall of Fame to in
so many ways. And I think you'll see it in
Cincinnati on the board today. I think they'll highlight all
the things and the person that he was one hundred
and forty five pounds, He was not drafted, he had
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to be he had to be had at a scout,
which was an uncle give him a tryout. Then he
winds up being an All Star at five different positions.
Then he's you know, he wins the MVP of the
World Series. These are all things that you can honor
him with and praise him for. And I think I
heard Mike Smith talking about the fact that and the
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other players on MLB talking about the fact that they
were they wanted to be like Pete. They wanted to
play like Pete, they wanted to hit first slide, they
wanted to do all the things he was. He was
a persona personification of hustle and attitude and love for
the game of baseball. And the rules are the rules,
but for Pete, he I think he should be honored
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at the Hall of Fame just with video, but you
also tell the story of why and while why this happened,
and what the ramifications are.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
I think the immediate reaction from a lot of people
was Pete's going to get into the Hall of Fame.
And I've cautioned my audience to say they're not going
to vote on this till December of twenty twenty seven.
And there's other guys on that ballot like Steve Garvey
and Louis Tiant and you know some really good players
shoeless Joe Jackson's going to be on there as well.
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So it's not a foregone conclusion Pete gets in or
even gets on the ballot. But you know it's going
to be a process here, and people shouldn't think we can.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
I think we can assume that his name will be there.
I think they there's going to be the need for
that to happen. But I think there's you know, there's
you know, there's guys. You know they've been on Some
of these guys have been on the ballot for twenty years.
I mean, you know, they keep thinking, or they'll think
and you know famous words of Frank Robinson and Bob
Feller and this isn't for the God, this is for
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the great and so and that is exactly the way
it was framed. And so here here we are at
this point saying, okay, you know, we know Pete Rose
great good gosh, he's forty two hundred and fifty six hits,
you know, and you know all the teams that he
helped in all the World series. We know it's there
but I think that would be the ultimate honor. But again, you're, okay,
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we're going to take twelve or sixteen guys. We're gonna
take four owners, we're gonna take four media, and we're
gonna take eight players, and we're gonna have to get
twelve votes. And you know, Marvin Miller didn't make it
in forever because the owners were never going to vote
for him because I felt like during the drug situation,
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he could have controlled that better, and yet he had
to allow players to get off of the drugs before
they could test them, and that's why it took long
that And you can also say that Sosa and the
Peds and Maguire saved the game of baseball. All of
these things are suppositions. All these things are not proven,
but all these things are true. And so now you
got to get twelve guys to go to sixteen guys
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to go into a room, and you got to have
twelve yeses.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Talking to Johnny Bench, the Hall of Famer, do you
think Pete bet as a baseball player on baseball?
Speaker 4 (43:35):
I don't have that knowledge.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
I'm for me to say yes, I think that that
would be a little I can't say for sure.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
Because I don't have any evidence of that.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Yeah, I just maintain And once again, Pete and I
shared a bookie growing up when Pete was Pete Rose.
You know, I went through a bookie that he used,
So I never knew anything about Pete betting as a player.
But I don't think you start betting as a manager.
And and I like, right, let's let's be fair to
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the situation here, because everybody said, well, he bet his
as a manager, and he bet on his team to win.
I think there's more information there that hasn't did he did?
Speaker 4 (44:18):
He bet on them every game to win.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
He told me a couple of years ago, first time
he ever admitted that he bet on the Reds to win. Now,
I I was under the impression and he was betting
on them to win every night.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
All right, Well, so Dan, you you're you're standings beside him,
and here you're listening to him calling his bookie, and
he says, I want the Reds, the Indians and the Braids.
You stand by him. The next night he wants the Reds,
the Yankees and the Dodgers. And the next night he says,
I want the Pirates, the Cubs and the Yankees. You
don't like the Reds.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Tonight calling the book But Johnny, I was told by
somebody who would know there were certain pictures that Pete
didn't want to bet on to win games for the Reds.
Speaker 4 (45:10):
Okay, So you had a lot of conversations. Did you
have a private line.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
I had too many conversations. But I would know during
hockey season or football season who Pete was betting on
through my bookie who took you know, some of the
off bets from the main bookie who lived in Indian Hills,
and that Pete went through. So I was I was
kind of privy to this. I get to ESPN, I
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walk in first month, I'm there, the Pete Rose scandal breaks,
I call my former bookie, I'm like, I need some
information here, and my bookie's like, no names. I said, no,
just give me the information and he did.
Speaker 4 (45:52):
Well.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
It's like gambling becomes yours. Like it's like you you
know this is a story. I'll just use you as example.
You bet on every baseball game, you bet on every
football game, and you bet on every football basketball game
and you lose every bet. So you call you bookie
an Indian Hill and say I'm quitting. I am done
with betting. I am not going to bet anymore. And
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but then he'll say, well, what about hockey. It's just
coming up, And you'll say, what do.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
I know about hockey? Well, Pete had that satellite dish
outside his house, so he would dial up all of
these he'd be watching Vancouver Canucks and betting hockey.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
Oh I can still remember, well, yeah, I mean he
got a tip. You know, somebody gave you a good
tell you back in the seventy three or four. I
we're up at uh, we're having an event with Bob hopeing.
You know, my buddy who is has a has a
likes the bet and he's watching the baskets and he
and the you know, the game's coming on. He's watching
football and he's the game's coming says he think I
could be art with mister Hoped if I I watched
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the guy. I said, well, I'm not trying, it's my TV.
I mean, is this sweet here? You're going to have
to do that? And he said you know this, Hope
do you uh? Do you like football? Of course he
had his book open to whatever his bets were, and
Bob saying.
Speaker 4 (47:06):
Oh yeah, turn it on. Let's see what this. I
got four of them.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
I got four punchs on this guy. I think everybody's
probably had a bet at one time or the other.
Speaker 4 (47:15):
Have you.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
I have you know I I uh, somebody said if
you'll better want every home favorite, you'll win.
Speaker 4 (47:24):
So I tried it for about six games.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
You know I would I couldn't you know if I
you know, I said, no, it's not my it's not
my ideal. I'm not I'm not lucky at gambling and
I and I love my money more.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
Would you rather have Otani or Judge on your team
right now?
Speaker 1 (47:49):
I would say Otani just because the fact that I
could get him to pitch it one time or the other.
That would be the backup thing. I mean right now, Judges,
you know what he is. I mean, he's awesome. I mean,
I just I just love his approach, his love is.
You know, he's got such reach, he's got such patience.
He's the kind of guy that doesn't have to hit
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the ball out of the ballpark because everybody wants him
to hit a ball out of the ballpark. He's going
the other way. They're pitching him so many different ways.
He's got such a great, great discipline up there. But Otani,
you know you watch him flail away. You don't see
you know, you don't see Aaron Judge do that. You
just don't see that flailing away and missing and everything else.
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And but yet for stolen bases, which Judge can do,
the only only caveat for me.
Speaker 4 (48:39):
Would be the fact that I could put Otani in
the pitch.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Is there a sound of a home run that still
resonates with you, whether you hit it or you were
behind the plate and somebody hit it.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
Well, there's two now that you mentioned. Now there was
there was two, come to mind. One was in the
All Star Game and we were in Griffiths Stadium and
Steve Carlton was pitching.
Speaker 4 (49:03):
At Frank Coward, you know, big Frank Howard six what
eight not?
Speaker 6 (49:06):
That said.
Speaker 4 (49:07):
You know, I'm just from big and strong.
Speaker 9 (49:08):
But just made contact Hill I probably hit a hundred
home runs.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
And he came to the plate and Steve threw him
a fastball. It went right past Steve's head and went
over the center field fence and bounced off the concrete
and he crossed home plates. You know see what I mean.
I just make contact is all I did. But The other,
of course, was the home run I hit against the
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Pirates in seventy two to tie the game of the night.
And I don't know if it's the sound or it's
the echo, because I would walk in Riverfront Stadium and
you know, Al Michael's just doing a documentary thing, and
I was repeating the fact that the one in two,
the bench change it in the air and the deep
right field back goes climbing into the walls.
Speaker 4 (49:54):
She's gone.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
And I would hear that every time. I don't know
why I stepped in the stadium.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
Was that off Dave Justin?
Speaker 7 (50:04):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (50:04):
Yeah, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
I remember Ron Santo coming up playing golf. He walks in,
what's the score two to one? The Fires are three
to two of the Pirates, and he said, this game's over.
When they said Jesse was in because you couldn't hit
him with the boat door, I mean, he was just
he was nasty and it just happened to.
Speaker 4 (50:19):
Be for me.
Speaker 2 (50:20):
But when Reggie Jackson hit the light tower in Tiger
Stadium at the All Star Game, was that a sound.
Speaker 4 (50:28):
Like that?
Speaker 2 (50:29):
You remember?
Speaker 4 (50:29):
I mean that that's one of God, do I remember
I'm sitting I had the best view of all. I mean,
I knew the beetle on the long table. I mean
I was the one that had all of this stuff.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
Now you know, and you know, and I always tell
Reggie because Reggie, you know, Reggie likes the swagger part.
I said, what you don't understand is Reggie, my ball,
my home run went farther and years did. I ended
up in right center field in the in the US,
in the up in center field, right center field, going
out to do And of course we have our things
with it and everything else, but Reggie was the beauty.
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But god, oh my gosh. I mean we just stood
there and looked at it, like, where in the hell
is this going to go? You couldn't imagine it would
hit those light standards up there. I mean, that is
It's one of the kind. And it was a special
moment because I mean, think about that All Star Game.
How many thirty thirty some guys from the Hall of
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Fame we're in that game?
Speaker 4 (51:24):
How you do it? What's the green for it?
Speaker 6 (51:25):
I mean.
Speaker 4 (51:27):
Misted by about six weeks, eight.
Speaker 2 (51:29):
Weeks, that's Adam Sandler sent this to me for Happy Gilmore.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
What position? Always appy? Yeah, I've seen your game I
played with you. Actually, it's close.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
To happy Gilmore.
Speaker 4 (51:44):
Are you happy?
Speaker 6 (51:45):
That's all.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
Great to talk to you man always. Thank you. That's
to the dan Is all right, thank you all right.
That's Johnny Bench, greatest catcher ever
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We'll talk about the Pete Rose situation coming up in
a moment. There was something said after the Cavaliers were
closed out last night. Donovan Mitchell, who's a wonderful player,
played through an injury. Team was banged up a little bit,
and he had this parting shot for the media getting.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Beat down like this, and y'all are going to write
some about us, man, and that's going to be fuel,
Like you know, fuel for everybody. Y'all gonna say a lot,
y'all are and that's what it takes. I've been here,
so I understand. We understand, and now we just got
to use it as fuel for next year.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Okay, you're trying to make it a positive, but to me,
you're gonna blame the media. The media didn't lose three
games at home. The media was there and praised you
sixty wins. Now it's gonna be the Cabs against the Celtics.
Don't like the media loved the story here you got
the coach of the year, defensive player of the year,
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Donovan Mitchell. It was a great story. Well, and I
know after a loss like that, you're embarrassed. You thought
you were going to go to the NBA Finals or
certainly the Eastern Conference Finals. But don't pin this on
the media. I mean, you can blame us for a
lot of things. I wasn't the one who let Tyrese
Haliburton go off. You guys did. And I think we
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were giving you a haul pass to a certain degree
because of all the injuries. You weren't healthy, but you
knew the Indiana Pacers were going to go toe to
toe with you whether you were healthy or not. They
were going to take you to a six or seventh
game in my opinion when the series started. Okay, Pete
Rose situation and the nineteen nineteen Black Sox. By the way,
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the movie Eight Men out Shoeless Joe Jackson. And now
they are off the permanently banned list. Now they can
be under consideration to be on a ballot to be
voted on. But that you know, we're far from people
getting into the Hall of Fame. Just want to let
you know, Baseball the Hall of Fame is maintained that
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anyone removed from Baseball's permanently Ineligible list will become eligible
for the Hall of Fame consideration. They have a Historical
Overview committee. Now they will come up with eight names
and then they'll evaluate these candidates. So these aren't just
guys who have been suspended are permanently ineligible. It's not
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just Pete Rose and the nineteen nineteen Black Songs. You
had guys like Dick Allen, Tommy John, Dave Parker, Louis Tiant,
Steve Garvey. They were voted on by this committee. Now
that's twenty twenty four, and Dick Allen and Dave Parker
got in. I hope Steve Garby gets in. But so
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these are guys who just had great careers, but maybe
the whull of very good. They're not going to meet
again until December of twenty twenty seven. We got a
lot of time in between. It's not a foregone conclusion. Now, Uless,
you want to talk about cheating the game. The White
Sox known as the Black Socks, they threw the World Series, Like,
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that's cheating the game? Did Pete cheat the game? He
gambled on the game, and they don't have anything on
him as a player. Now, do I think there's information
about that, Yes, I do, But what they have the
information is about him as a manager here. I've said
before I grew up in Cincinnati. I've interviewed Pete many
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many times. He said that he only bet on the
Reds to win, and said that to me a few
years ago, and I understand what he means to the game.
I know that the Hall of Fame is a museum
and they can do whatever they want to do. The
Hall of Fame is separate from base, but really they
work in conjunction. Hall of Fame is not going to say, Hey,
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we're going to go rogue and we're going to do this.
It is a museum. But nobody has benefited more from
the Hall of Fame without being in the Hall of
Fame than Pete Rose. Because if Pete was in the
Hall of Fame twenty five years ago, nobody would care
and be like, oh, yeah, saw Pete. All the memorabilia there? Yeah,
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going through Cooperstown. I mean Pete would go up there
on the weekend that guys were getting into the Hall
of Fame and he would hijack that weekend. He would
do card signing appearances. Pete never changed. That was the
problem I had, And I talked to the former commissioner,
Bud Seely on the record, Off the record, privately, Pete
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had no contrition. He never apologized. He only said that
he did it after he was writing a book to
make money. Do I want it over with?
Speaker 4 (04:57):
I do.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Either he's in, or he's at vote and he doesn't
get in, or he does get in. And this doesn't
open the door for steroid users. They truly cheated the
game every single game, but they got on the ballot.
I don't want them in now. There's some that are
probably already in, but Pete is a unique situation. Shoeless
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Joe Jackson, I think hit three seventy five in that
World Series, and he's accused of helping to throw the
World Series to the Cincinnati Rens. But Pete to get
where he is, I'm not surprised. I truly think this
was maybe a quid pro quo with President Trump, and
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I think that President Trump knows that this will play
to the mass is every you know, most people want
Pete in the Hall of Fame, and I think that
President Trump knows that he can take a victory lap
with this. And whatever that discussion was with the Commissioner,
Rob Manfred, who we did invite, he said that he's
busy today. If he does have time, this will be
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the one show he will do. Something was said in
that conversation that made the commissioner maybe reconsider. Pete's family
came to the commissioner, they appealed, They wanted to appeal this.
I think Baseball wanted to make sure that Pete Rose
did not have his day in Cooper's town, that he
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did not have the opportunity to get up there live
with a microphone in his hand and able to say
whatever you wanted to say. Although if Pete does get
in posthumously, I'd be really curious who is going to
give the speech and what are they going to say
in that speech? If it's Pete's son, are you going
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to do fire in Brimstone or are you just going
to go thank you for allowing my father into the
Hall of Fame. There's a lot of reaction to this,
and that's why we'll have Johnny Bench on. He'll join
a little bit later on that. The steps to get
into the Hall of Fame, it's there's still a long
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and winding road here, but I think that's where people
have the foregone conclusion of Hey, he's getting in the
Hall of Fame soon. And the answer is he's not.
And this committee is made up of former players, former
writer or maybe current writers. But you have a group
that's involved in this, and they're going to be the
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ones voting. I think there's sixteen people on this committee,
the Historical Committee. But make no mistake about it, you
still have players who played the game the right way,
had really good resumes. They just didn't make the Hall
of Fame when they went through the normal process there.
But you got some really good players and I think
shoeless Joe Jackson should go in before Pete Rose does.
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If you're going to have a vote on this, and
do you do it? Chronell? How many of those players
with the White Sox nineteen nineteen are Hall of Fame worthy?
Maybe one, two, maybe three? That's it. Put Pete on there.
You got other guys, Louis till On, Steve Garvey. You
know they're gonna get votes. They're gonna get you know,
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all of a sudden, you got Steve Garvey there and
then you got Pete Rose. Who are you voting for
if you're on this historical committee? And how many of
these former players are going to go Nope, not going
to vote for him. Now Johnny Bench has come out
and said, hey, I hope Pete gets in the Hall
of Fame. I think the Commissioner got to the point
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where now he can wash his hands from with this.
Every time he's on the show, any show, Pete Rose
comes up. Now he's done. Now he might have to
answer to me like why now if Pete was still alive.
But the commissioner's not voting voting on this. And you
know when they say permanently ineligible means after you've died.
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Now you change the language too, it's a lifetime ban. Well,
the life time is over. His life is over. Now
he can be up for consideration. I think that's the
tricky language that the commissioner changed edited. But you know
they even said that Pete, you know, it's not a
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threat to the game anymore. That was kind of strong language.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
I don't. I don't.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
When I saw Pete in a wheelchair, I'd be like,
I don't think he's a threat to anybody right now?
Speaker 5 (09:35):
Yeah, Paulie, Yeah, the quote was obviously a person no
longer with us cannot represent a threat to the integrity
of the game. It's hard to conceive a penalty that
has more deterrent effect than one that lasts a person's
lifetime with no reprieve.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
By the way, it's Pete Rose Knight tonight at Great
American Ballpark. Coincidentally, the Reds will honor the career of
Pete Rose with a special celebration tonight at Great American Ballpark.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
All right, and.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Guess who they're facing? The White Sox. You couldn't script.
Oh my goodness, everybody get black socks that did come in.
These are the red sauce, the red stockings versus the
black Sox. Here Pete Rose. Everybody gets a Pete Rose
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replica jersey that shows up tonight. Pete Rose. You can't
this was planned? Or maybe they did script this? Yeah?
Was it planned? Dang? See alright, you know it would
be great, guys. Yeah, I know that's what I'm thinking.
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Hold on, hear me out. Okay, all right, I'm gonna
announce this Pete Rose thing. How about Hey, how about
we get a hold of Cincinnati and then we say, hey, guys,
how about a Pete Rose night? Sure? Yeah, yeah, we'll
do that. We'll have him played the white size. Oh
so it's white sax I. No, No, we're not going to
celebrate them. We're only celebrating Pete and it's May fourteenth
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and he wore the jersey number fourteen. We've got it. Okay, yes,
don I bet that's a tough ticket. Okay, so soon, so.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
Come on, let's parlay too, okay?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Oh okay? Greg and Florida, Good morning, Greg. What's on
your mind today?
Speaker 6 (11:35):
Hey? Good morning? Six foot plus one handicap?
Speaker 2 (11:38):
WHOA.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
I grew up in Clearwater, Florida, and uh, I was
fortunate enough to be able to watch old Charlie hustle
end of his career when the Phillies got him, you know,
his steady and Lesinski. What a team. And boy, I
just sat at the fence and was watching him, and
he truly did hustle everywhere he went, jaw and he
was just the iron man. It was, it was, it was.
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It was stunning watching that man on the field, by
the way. But now conversely, when it comes to the
special Awards and all this stuff, Shooter Show, Jackson, all
of them, any of them, look you cheat the game,
they look into it, they give you a ban just
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because Major League Baseball is teaming up with the gambling
stuff and we're all becoming Dejenner. Gambling's okay now, so
it doesn't change what deep act of what he did.
Live die go on. He did what he did to
give him eligibility. To me is is putting a stamp
on it. Well, but it's okay to be to do
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wrong about the game knowingly. That's the thing, knowingly doing wrong.
So I don't think twenty years, forty years, a hundred
years should make a difference. And cheat is a cheater.
Someone who does wrong is done wrong, and that's that.
Have a nice day out of McGill. It's not the
bad message to the kids.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
All right, Well, thank you, Greg. So this overview committee,
they'll get together the twenty twenty seven Classic Baseball Era
Committee ballot. So you need twelve votes by the sixteen
member committee, and the committee has made up of four
former players, four former executives for writers, and four historians.
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And then you're voted on to be inducted in the
summer of twenty twenty eight. That's where you have to understand,
you know, the timing of this is not all of
a sudden later this summer peats in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
Yeah, Pauline, this does bring us back to the original
topic with Pete Rose is he stopped playing in nineteen
eighty six, he instantly became a manager. He was only
like a couple of years away from being on the
Hall of Fame ballot before this story broke. Let's say
the story broke ten years after his career and he
was already in the Hall of Fame. Would he have
been pulled I doubt it.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
OJ's not pulled out of the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
Right, So let's say, if this committee actually discusses Pete Rose,
should they look at his playing career as the only
topic in the room.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Yeah, and I'm repeating myself, but I've done this for
decades now that I liken Pete Rose to cheating in
grad school getting caught cheating in grad school, I do
not take away what he did as an undergraduate, Like
he got his degree and you know what was suma
kum laude. But he cheated in grad school and he
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got caught. Can I separate the two? You can try.
I don't think Pete started gambling when he became a manager. Okay,
let's just let's let's be fair about this. Do I
think he bet on sports when he was playing? Absolutely
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I know that for a fact. Do I know about
be I do not know that, but we know about
him as a manager. Do I think there's more information there?
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (15:08):
I do.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
The question is does it come out or is this
commissioner going to say, let's judge Pete on just what
we know about Pete, which is fine. I don't think anybody.
You know, there's very little investigative reporting anymore in the
sports world. I don't know if anybody is going to
take the time to dig into this, try to find
out if there's more to this. Feels like we kind
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of passed that. And you know, unfortunately I would love
to have seen Pete give a speech. I would, and
we won't have that. And they have all his memorabilia there.
And that's where people say, well, baseball is capitalize on
Pete Rose. Yes, yes, he's still part of the history
of the game. Yeah, they trot him out for certain events,
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Yes they do. Baseball can be hypocritical here. Pete could
have turned those things down. He could have said, no,
I don't want to be part of this until you
make me part of baseball officially. I don't want to
be part of it. But Pete was there. Do an
interview with Jim Gray and Jim Gray's asking him about gambling.
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I just think Pete thought he was bigger than the game.
I think until he died, he still thought he was
bigger than the game. And that was the unfortunate part.
Bud Selig said to me, well, I suggested it to
the commissioner. I said, you know what, have Pete go
into the minor leagues and spend a couple of years
traveling around and he could be a gambling ambassador to
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what not to do and help these kids understand the
price that he paid. If there was contrition, I think
Pete would have been in the Baseball Hall of Fame.
I think if he would have apologized, he fought baseball
and they had him. They had so much information, so
much data on it. But I think if he had
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done that and created this goodwill ambassador, I think he
would have already been into the Baseball Hall of Fame.
But what made Pete great is what kept him out
of the Hall of Fame. He refused to give in.
That's Pete. Roger Clemens is this way, Lance Armstrong this way,
Barry Bonds this way. What made you great is what
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is going to keep you out of the Hall of Fame.
But now it's up to this committee to decide. But
make no mistake about it, this is not happening anytime soon.
As far as Pete getting in or getting on a ballot,
you got to wait till December of twenty twenty seven.
We'll take a break. Thanks for listening to The Dan
Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every
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the Peacock app. More of your phone calls coming up.
We'll talk to the Hall of Famer Johnny Bench on
the news yesterday with Pete Rose taking off the permanently
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Ineligible list. Nick Wright, host of First Things First on
Fox Sports One Monday through Friday every afternoon and What's
Right with Nick Wright on YouTube and wherever you get
your podcasts. Great to see you. Did the Commissioner have
a good day? Commissioner of Major League Baseball have a
good day? Yesterday?
Speaker 7 (18:24):
Wow?
Speaker 8 (18:24):
This is a have you before I answered the question?
I didn't hear the top of your show?
Speaker 7 (18:30):
Did you?
Speaker 8 (18:31):
You're kind of you know, one of, if not the
current godfather of American sports radio. Did you have a
moment of silence for should Pete Rose be in the
Hall of Fame? Topic like potentially dying of being gone?
It's been it's always been a go to if need
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be break lass in case of emergency, for your entire career,
and those days may be numbered. I don't even know
what to compare this too, but it is. It's like
if you did a talk show about, you know, should
they tear down the Berlin Wall, and then it's announced
it's coming down, Like what are we gonna do here?
Speaker 7 (19:11):
So, yeah, I think it's a good day.
Speaker 8 (19:13):
And I also think maybe I'm just Oh, I'm obviously
not an idiot, but maybe this is an idiotic opinion.
I thought it was obvious that once a guy dies,
a lifetime ban is over. I thought the whole point
of it was like, while he's alive, he can't be
a part of it.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
But it was not a lifetime ban. It was a
permanent ban. People misconstrued what the band was. It was
a permanent, not lifetime. Now the commissioner has since altered
that language. Now it's a lifetime ban.
Speaker 8 (19:46):
So Okay, so that bad job by me. I didn't
realize that. But yeah, I think that's what it should be.
Speaker 7 (19:52):
I think we've talked to this before.
Speaker 8 (19:54):
A hall of fame should be museums in my opinion,
and I if you want to in theory, you should
be able to go to a hall of fame knowing
nothing about a sport and if you spend enough time
there get the full totality of the history of it.
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Maybe it'll take a month being there ten hours a day.
Speaker 7 (20:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (20:18):
So I just thought I always thought there were obvious
things like I thought that if you wanted to include
on plaques of certain guys played in, you know, a
segregation era, played in what is commonly known as the
steroid era, was banned from the sport do to gambling,
like those things like that's part of the story. But
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I don't like the idea of we're just going to
act like these guys didn't exist. And I also don't
like the voters, you know, the way they have treated
the steroid guys, because to me, it is short changing
this what the Hall of Fame is supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, I'm with you on the museum part of it.
And I don't think anybody has benefited more than Pete
Rose did by not being in the Hall of Fame.
Sure twenty five years ago. If he's in the Hall
of Fame, we don't bring up his name. But it
became a campaign in a crusade. I do think the
commissioner Major League Baseball meeting with President Trump may have
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had a quid pro quo where Donald Trump wanted him in.
Oh it's not like him, are you? You don't think
we had.
Speaker 7 (21:30):
With this administration?
Speaker 9 (21:32):
Will your lips sighre on? What a scurls alligation? I know,
with any with any data whatsoever. This is why people
don't trust the liberal media.
Speaker 7 (21:44):
Dan my god, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yeah. But I think Pete getting off the list, you know,
people think this is just gonna be rubber stamped. He's
going into the Hall of Fame, which he still has
to go through this committee that doesn't get together until
December of twenty twenty seven, and just to get on
the ballot. So I think this is a long process.
I do think Pete will get that opportunity, But I
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would put shoeless Joe Jackson in before Pete, or put
him on the ballot before Pete Can I.
Speaker 8 (22:15):
Ask you a question and then I know you want
to get to other things, and this might I am
putting you on the spot, So I apologize.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
Okay, did you like Pete Rose?
Speaker 2 (22:23):
I loved Pete Rose. I didn't always like him.
Speaker 8 (22:28):
No, so you I mean you were I knew as
a player. But I'm like, I assume my only interaction
with Pete Rose my entire life was my grandparents lived
in Boca when I was a kid, and my granddad
was a horse better and he would sometimes take me
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to the track and we'd see Pete Rose there.
Speaker 7 (22:52):
All the time.
Speaker 8 (22:52):
And one time I said, hello, I assume you had
maybe dozens of.
Speaker 7 (22:57):
Interactions with him, And I'm just curious, like.
Speaker 8 (23:00):
If you liked him, because I it doesn't. It's an
odd thing because even people who think like I think
that he should be in the Hall of Fame, I
don't think viewed him as a super sympathetic figure or
even that necessarily likable of a figure.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Well, it didn't help his case that there was no
active contrition. He never apologized. He never said how do
I make good on this? How do I help major
League Baseball? Had he done that, I think he would
have already been in the Hall of Fame, and we'll
talk to Johnny Bench coming up next hour. A couple
other things I want to bring to your attention. I
don't know if you heard about we were doing the
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Hall of Very Good in the NBA, So I don't
know if you have, and you always like to do
tears on your show in the afternoon. I don't know
if you had a Hall of very Good like Joe Johnson,
let's say Jamal Crawford. There's guys who probably aren't going
in the Hall of Fame, but the Hall of Very Good.
Speaker 7 (23:56):
So I love that.
Speaker 8 (23:58):
But when it comes to the NBA, that to me
is really applicable to the NFL because there's a lot
of legends that aren't ever going to make the Hall
if we had. If I were doing it with the NBA,
the way I would do the Hall of Very Good
is taking a bunch of guys who are actually in
the Hall out and putting them in that hole like
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the I mean.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
There are there's too many in the basketball Hall of
Shame right.
Speaker 7 (24:26):
To where it's almost as if if you have.
Speaker 8 (24:29):
A noteworthy career and you're not considered it, like I'll
give you an example, Al Horford might make it.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
I think he will because of the two titles in Florida.
Speaker 8 (24:42):
Well right, yes, and and listen, everybody likes Al Horford
is it's kind of mean of me to pick him,
but it's just that came to mind at no moment
in his entire professional basketball career where you're like, man, shoot,
we got Al Horford, like he was a good player
for a long time and he'll probably make it.
Speaker 7 (25:03):
As you said, like there are hovg yeah.
Speaker 8 (25:08):
I mean at this point, like Jalen Brown is damn
near a lunk like for the and he's twenty eight
years old and it's so yeah, I so I have
very controversial opinions on this, uh, which is so we
Another thing we do on the show free Plug is
Club Superstar for the NBA annual event opening again end
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of May, and it's twelve guys maximum, which means like, oh, shoot,
is Tyre's Halliburton now in Club Superstar? And the answer
to that question is yes, somebody's got to come out.
I wish that's how a Hall of Fame worked. Like, listen,
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there's ninety six Hall of Famers or whatever the number is,
so well.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
You know, hey, I'm gonna be a relegation in your
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 8 (26:00):
Yeah, I mean, you can't support this because it'd be
so bad for your guy, Reggie, But it would be
very exciting. It would be very exciting if it was
now you can say, every you know, decade because the
league numbers expanded, we had five total new Sponts or whatever.
But guys who like got into the skin of their teeth,
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they get to have the ceremony, they get to have
the plaque, but they know I'm probably just keeping somebody
seat warm, which I think would be cooler.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
We're talking to Nick Wright, host of First Things First
on Fox Sports one and What's Right with Nick Wright
on YouTube wherever you get your podcast. Give me the situation,
the most awkward offseason situation with let's say Milwaukee, let's
say Denver, let's say Golden State, Boston, with you know,
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exits from the playoffs and moves that might be or
need to be made, trades that need to be made.
Speaker 7 (26:55):
Well, I mean, I can go one by one if
I may. Boston. What happened to Boston in the last seventy.
Speaker 8 (27:01):
Two hours is you know, a sports tragedy in that
they they thought maybe rightfully so that we went cold.
The first two games were better than the Knicks. We're
obviously better than the Cabs. And I think, listen the
Pacers last people forget last year the Pacers Conference finals.
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Halliburton got hurt early Game two, and so we didn't
really get to see that, but I'm sure they felt
comfortable we're gonna win the championship and be in good position,
maybe even for a three peat. Now, the next time
Jason Tatum plays basketball, Al Horford won't be on the team,
Kristaps likely won't be on the team, Drew or Derek
White might not be on the team. And that team
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that people were talking about, that team pairing away even
if they win because of the finances of it. So
there's that. I think Denver, even if they lose this series,
has done enough to where they can feel better about
their direction than they did when they fired Mike Michael
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Malone obviously, and you're seeing just enough from Strawther and
Watson like maybe they get better and you hope you
get a healthier Michael Porter Junior.
Speaker 7 (28:14):
I think Golden State has finished.
Speaker 8 (28:16):
Now, I've said that before, and you know, Draymond's made
fun of me, and that's fine, But I I do
Anybody trying to concoct a Yanna's trade to Golden State
doesn't understand how the CBA works and assets work. So
I just I don't see And I don't think Jimmy
Butler's getting better.
Speaker 7 (28:34):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 8 (28:35):
I think we are seeing that at thirty five years old,
playoff Jimmy has real limitations. I think Milwaukee here is
the other part of the Tatum injury. Does that give
Yanni's pause where he's like, maybe I give this one
more year? Like the Calves are the Calves, by the way,
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or a second Apron disaster. I have a thought on
them in a seat. The Celtics are self eliminated. You know,
I'm gonna train all summer with just a picture of
John Halliburton, Tyrese's dad in.
Speaker 7 (29:11):
My you know, for motivation.
Speaker 8 (29:13):
Maybe the East do If I'm Yannis, do I want
to go west?
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Where?
Speaker 8 (29:20):
Honest to God, Dan, if you were to list if
Jannis goes West and Tatum is injured, if you were
to list the twenty best players in the NBA, sixteen
would be in the West. Jalen Brunson, Donovan Mitchell, Tyrese
Halliburton and then Nayland Brown, Jalen Brown or towns like
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is that those? Everyone else is in the is in
the West. So does Jannis want to do that? And
so I think all that's fascinating. I also think because
of everything I just said, Eh, year twenty three, go home,
win a title with Cleveland or at least make another
finals is something for Lebron James. Oh, it's something that
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you couldn't go there if they's won sixty four games,
made the finals, but when they just keep getting clocked
in round two and it's like, oh, who's your starting three,
Max Struce, I think I'm an upgrade.
Speaker 7 (30:21):
I think I would help out a little there.
Speaker 8 (30:23):
Now the real question there is what do the Cavs
have to trade to get Bronny?
Speaker 7 (30:26):
Because rob Olinka gonna hold their feet.
Speaker 8 (30:28):
To fire on that one.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Boy, Uh, what do you think trying to handicap Lebron?
You want to win one more title? You're not gonna
win it with the Lakers? Well, I listen not. I
don't think how they're they're constructed. I think Austin Reeves
is probably the movable piece there. But I I mean,
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you got to get a big guy, and I don't know.
Speaker 8 (30:57):
Do you trade Austin Reeves straight up for Malawatch like
the kid out of Duke. So say he's gonna be
that ninth pick just now.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
I mean he's he's got to develop. And now I
got Lebron.
Speaker 8 (31:14):
That probably yeah, I mean that to me makes a
lot of sense for the Lakers. For Luca, like you know,
a young defense, catch lobs, block shots. But for Lebron,
I don't know. I so listen, I am such a
Luka Doncic believer. I know that, you know, half the
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NBA fans seem to think he's just a fat alcoholic.
I think he's a guy who carried a mediocre team
to the finals last year. I think he'll be fine.
I thought, and I it has broken like this for
a while, that I that the way the brackets broken
that I thought the Lakers had a really good chance
to come out of the West. And now when you
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see it like you're like, oh, maybe they did. The
problem is they played terror William Minnesota played great, So
I don't I think. I don't think they'd be drawing
dead as long as they added a big going into
next year. But obviously the East, that path is wide
open right now, and so I, yeah, the Cleveland thing
to me is worth pondering for a moment. Now, he'd
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have to basically play for the minimum, and we know
the rules on Lebron James. If he plays for the max,
he's greedy, and if he plays for the minimum, he's
rigging it. So he's gonna get criticized either way. But
I think that's something that would be worth considering.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Being in New York. Are you caught up on the
Knicks hysteria? Yeah?
Speaker 8 (32:42):
Oh yeah, and listen, I'm no, I'm no Dan Patrick.
I don't get free tickets to things. I'm buying tickets
to these games. Really, I'm yeah, because I don't ask
for press passes because I feel like I don't know man,
like I'm I don't want a I don't want to
feel like they did me a favor.
Speaker 7 (33:00):
I own this whatever.
Speaker 8 (33:01):
And I'm not covering like I'm not covering. I'm not
going in the locker room, you know what I mean.
I'm not covering the games. So no, I buy tickets.
And so I went to Game two against Detroit. I
went to Game three against Boston. So I've actually been
to two Knicks losses, but yeah, it is exhilarating and
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the city feels an extra verb because the thing is this,
the Knicks are the only team that everyone in the
city roots for, like Yankees, Mets, Giants, Jets, you know, Rangers,
Devil's Islanders. And I know people are like, what about
the Brooklyn Nets. The Brooklyn Nets don't have fans. They
don't and so the I did have season tickets to
(33:44):
Brooklyn for a year because I didn't listen. I wanted
to watch Kde and Kyrie and Harden, but I I
got rid of those once they got rid of those players.
But the Garden is really just unlike any other spot,
and it is yeah, I mean the so, yeah, the
city feels very alive.
Speaker 7 (34:03):
Are you coming to any games.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Now this guy?
Speaker 7 (34:08):
Once you've I mean I could at the finals. You're right,
it just can't go to Nick.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
You hang out with Jordan after he wins another title.
Speaker 8 (34:18):
By the way, shout out to NBCIX. I know that's awesome,
and I listen, what do you.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Think his role is going to be a gambling expert? Wow,
that's a walk off. That's a walk off. That's Nick right,
host of First Things First on Fox Sports One and
What's Right with Nick Wright on YouTube wherever you get
your podcast. We'll take a break. We'll be back after
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ineligible list. That was the difference. People thought it was
a lifetime ban, and then Pete dying in September, therefore
time to lift the ban. It was a permanently ineligible
it was not a lifetime ban. The commissioner has since
re edited, re edited or reframed it to say now
it's the lifetime ban. Pacers close out the Cavaliers. They
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win it in five gentlemen sweep. They like to call that.
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Whole question, Seaton before we get to Johnny Bench. Yet
we got up there right now. Do you agree with
(36:13):
Rob Manfred's decision? Sixty one percent say yes they do.
It's bringing Johnny Bench the Hall of Famer Johnny great Sea. Again.
Let me ask you the question, do you agree with
what the commissioner did yesterday?
Speaker 6 (36:26):
I do.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
I just I think he's done more work than you
can imagine to try to figure this out. I think
it had to be agreed upon by the Hall of Fame,
though I think that was a question mark that had
to be done. Jane is the person that's basically, you know,
what's the sanctification of the Hall of Fame and that
it hopefully all members of the Hall of Fame. Although
(36:50):
we know there's been question marks about it, whether it
be peds or whether it be past history or people
that have been elected to the Hall of Fame. But
for the commissioner, I think he I know personally that
I've talked to him. I know there's others that have
talked to him. I know that he's trying to get
the temperature of what it was. I think the temperature
(37:13):
was mixed. I think I think like the voting is
sixty one percent. I think the percentages were one way
or the other with some Hall of famers. Do you
take a poll of the Hall of Famers, or you
take a poll of the writers, or you take a
poll of just the dan Etz and I think you're
going to wind well. I mean, there are fans and
(37:33):
they understand what's happened with Pete and with the Black
Sox scandals. I mean the one person I mean, as
you may, as you know, Ted Williams was a staunch
supporter of shirless show Jackson, and they keep saying, well,
there was no evidence against it, and he hit three
something or four hundred. So I guess the feel is
(37:57):
all I can say is it is a perfect time
for this thing to come out, because right now, as
we prepare for the day. I am not in Cincinnati,
but they are honoring Pete at the stadium. There will
be forty two thousand people coming out and maybe more
now that this announcement has been done. But for the
Rose family, I'm extremely happy for them that it's all
(38:19):
somewhat behind us.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Why wait until Pete dies?
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Well, that's I think that there was some concern that
it would He wanted to get into the game of
baseball as far as what has been talked about. He
wanted to still be a manager or something like that.
I think that created some problems, the fact that whether
(38:46):
somebody would actually hire him at this point or what
position he would be in. And I think there was
still okay, you know, we still have to have a
certain caution here. We got to put up some yellow
flags and in most cases a lot of red flags
and make sure that none of this happens. I really
believe it was a push by so many people. I
think the Commissioner's ruled on it twice. I know Bud
(39:09):
Jim Bud Seeley ruled on it two or three times,
and the consensus was that he was not going to
He was permanently banned, and so I think there's they're
cutting hairs a little bit on whether now that he's deceased.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Now, it's okay, you probably know this better than anybody.
How do you think Pete would react today if he
were alive about damn time?
Speaker 4 (39:37):
What took him so long? About damn time? Uh? No.
I think he wanted to He wanted to be voted on.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
I think he felt like he never had that opportunity
and everything else, and I think that was his one
one thing. I think he always believed that had he
been on the ballot, that he would have been voted
into the Hall of Fame. Now, what the what the
Hall of Fame has not done, I think is make
a space for Pete in the Hall. And you know,
we we honor different groups of baseball players. We honored catchers,
(40:10):
and we honored day, We honor the heroes and what
did baseball and legends and everything else. I think it's
a perfect spot for the Hall of Fame to in
so many ways. And I think you'll see it in
Cincinnati on the board today. I think they'll highlight all
the things and the person that he was one hundred
and forty five pounds, He was not drafted, he had
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to be he had to be had at a scout,
which was an uncle give him a tryout. Then he
winds up being an All Star at five different positions.
Then he's you know, he wins the MVP of the
World Series. These are all things that you can honor
him with and praise him for. And I think I
heard Mike Smith talking about the fact that and the
(40:53):
other players on MLB talking about the fact that they
were they wanted to be like Pete. They wanted to
play like Pete, they wanted to hit first slide, they
wanted to do all the things he was. He was
a persona personification of hustle and attitude and love for
the game of baseball. And the rules are the rules,
but for Pete, he I think he should be honored
(41:16):
at the Hall of Fame just with video, but you
also tell the story of why and while why this happened,
and what the ramifications are.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
I think the immediate reaction from a lot of people
was Pete's going to get into the Hall of Fame.
And I've cautioned my audience to say they're not going
to vote on this till December of twenty twenty seven.
And there's other guys on that ballot like Steve Garvey
and Louis Tiant and you know some really good players
shoeless Joe Jackson's going to be on there as well.
(41:45):
So it's not a foregone conclusion Pete gets in or
even gets on the ballot. But you know it's going
to be a process here, and people shouldn't think we can.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
I think we can assume that his name will be there.
I think they there's going to be the need for
that to happen. But I think there's you know, there's
you know, there's guys. You know they've been on Some
of these guys have been on the ballot for twenty years.
I mean, you know, they keep thinking, or they'll think
and you know famous words of Frank Robinson and Bob
Feller and this isn't for the God, this is for
(42:18):
the great and so and that is exactly the way
it was framed. And so here here we are at
this point saying, okay, you know, we know Pete Rose
great good gosh, he's forty two hundred and fifty six hits,
you know, and you know all the teams that he
helped in all the World series. We know it's there
but I think that would be the ultimate honor. But again, you're, okay,
(42:41):
we're going to take twelve or sixteen guys. We're gonna
take four owners, we're gonna take four media, and we're
gonna take eight players, and we're gonna have to get
twelve votes. And you know, Marvin Miller didn't make it
in forever because the owners were never going to vote
for him because I felt like during the drug situation,
(43:02):
he could have controlled that better, and yet he had
to allow players to get off of the drugs before
they could test them, and that's why it took long
that And you can also say that Sosa and the
Peds and Maguire saved the game of baseball. All of
these things are suppositions. All these things are not proven,
but all these things are true. And so now you
got to get twelve guys to go to sixteen guys
(43:23):
to go into a room, and you got to have
twelve yeses.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Talking to Johnny Bench, the Hall of Famer, do you
think Pete bet as a baseball player on baseball?
Speaker 4 (43:35):
I don't have that knowledge.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
I'm for me to say yes, I think that that
would be a little I can't say for sure.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
Because I don't have any evidence of that.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Yeah, I just maintain And once again, Pete and I
shared a bookie growing up when Pete was Pete Rose.
You know, I went through a bookie that he used,
So I never knew anything about Pete betting as a player.
But I don't think you start betting as a manager.
And and I like, right, let's let's be fair to
(44:08):
the situation here, because everybody said, well, he bet his
as a manager, and he bet on his team to win.
I think there's more information there that hasn't did he did?
Speaker 4 (44:18):
He bet on them every game to win.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
He told me a couple of years ago, first time
he ever admitted that he bet on the Reds to win. Now,
I I was under the impression and he was betting
on them to win every night.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
All right, Well, so Dan, you you're you're standings beside him,
and here you're listening to him calling his bookie, and
he says, I want the Reds, the Indians and the Braids.
You stand by him. The next night he wants the Reds,
the Yankees and the Dodgers. And the next night he says,
I want the Pirates, the Cubs and the Yankees. You
don't like the Reds.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Tonight calling the book But Johnny, I was told by
somebody who would know there were certain pictures that Pete
didn't want to bet on to win games for the Reds.
Speaker 4 (45:10):
Okay, So you had a lot of conversations. Did you
have a private line.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
I had too many conversations. But I would know during
hockey season or football season who Pete was betting on
through my bookie who took you know, some of the
off bets from the main bookie who lived in Indian Hills,
and that Pete went through. So I was I was
kind of privy to this. I get to ESPN, I
(45:36):
walk in first month, I'm there, the Pete Rose scandal breaks,
I call my former bookie, I'm like, I need some
information here, and my bookie's like, no names. I said, no,
just give me the information and he did.
Speaker 4 (45:52):
Well.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
It's like gambling becomes yours. Like it's like you you
know this is a story. I'll just use you as example.
You bet on every baseball game, you bet on every
football game, and you bet on every football basketball game
and you lose every bet. So you call you bookie
an Indian Hill and say I'm quitting. I am done
with betting. I am not going to bet anymore. And
(46:13):
but then he'll say, well, what about hockey. It's just
coming up, And you'll say, what do.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
I know about hockey? Well, Pete had that satellite dish
outside his house, so he would dial up all of
these he'd be watching Vancouver Canucks and betting hockey.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
Oh I can still remember, well, yeah, I mean he
got a tip. You know, somebody gave you a good
tell you back in the seventy three or four. I
we're up at uh, we're having an event with Bob hopeing.
You know, my buddy who is has a has a
likes the bet and he's watching the baskets and he
and the you know, the game's coming on. He's watching
football and he's the game's coming says he think I
could be art with mister Hoped if I I watched
(46:54):
the guy. I said, well, I'm not trying, it's my TV.
I mean, is this sweet here? You're going to have
to do that? And he said you know this, Hope
do you uh? Do you like football? Of course he
had his book open to whatever his bets were, and
Bob saying.
Speaker 4 (47:06):
Oh yeah, turn it on. Let's see what this. I
got four of them.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
I got four punchs on this guy. I think everybody's
probably had a bet at one time or the other.
Speaker 4 (47:15):
Have you.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
I have you know I I uh, somebody said if
you'll better want every home favorite, you'll win.
Speaker 4 (47:24):
So I tried it for about six games.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
You know I would I couldn't you know if I
you know, I said, no, it's not my it's not
my ideal. I'm not I'm not lucky at gambling and
I and I love my money more.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
Would you rather have Otani or Judge on your team
right now?
Speaker 1 (47:49):
I would say Otani just because the fact that I
could get him to pitch it one time or the other.
That would be the backup thing. I mean right now, Judges,
you know what he is. I mean, he's awesome. I mean,
I just I just love his approach, his love is.
You know, he's got such reach, he's got such patience.
He's the kind of guy that doesn't have to hit
(48:11):
the ball out of the ballpark because everybody wants him
to hit a ball out of the ballpark. He's going
the other way. They're pitching him so many different ways.
He's got such a great, great discipline up there. But Otani,
you know you watch him flail away. You don't see
you know, you don't see Aaron Judge do that. You
just don't see that flailing away and missing and everything else.
(48:32):
And but yet for stolen bases, which Judge can do,
the only only caveat for me.
Speaker 4 (48:39):
Would be the fact that I could put Otani in
the pitch.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Is there a sound of a home run that still
resonates with you, whether you hit it or you were
behind the plate and somebody hit it.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
Well, there's two now that you mentioned. Now there was
there was two, come to mind. One was in the
All Star Game and we were in Griffiths Stadium and
Steve Carlton was pitching.
Speaker 4 (49:03):
At Frank Coward, you know, big Frank Howard six what
eight not?
Speaker 6 (49:06):
That said.
Speaker 4 (49:07):
You know, I'm just from big and strong.
Speaker 9 (49:08):
But just made contact Hill I probably hit a hundred
home runs.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
And he came to the plate and Steve threw him
a fastball. It went right past Steve's head and went
over the center field fence and bounced off the concrete
and he crossed home plates. You know see what I mean.
I just make contact is all I did. But The other,
of course, was the home run I hit against the
(49:33):
Pirates in seventy two to tie the game of the night.
And I don't know if it's the sound or it's
the echo, because I would walk in Riverfront Stadium and
you know, Al Michael's just doing a documentary thing, and
I was repeating the fact that the one in two,
the bench change it in the air and the deep
right field back goes climbing into the walls.
Speaker 4 (49:54):
She's gone.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
And I would hear that every time. I don't know
why I stepped in the stadium.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
Was that off Dave Justin?
Speaker 7 (50:04):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (50:04):
Yeah, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
I remember Ron Santo coming up playing golf. He walks in,
what's the score two to one? The Fires are three
to two of the Pirates, and he said, this game's over.
When they said Jesse was in because you couldn't hit
him with the boat door, I mean, he was just
he was nasty and it just happened to.
Speaker 4 (50:19):
Be for me.
Speaker 2 (50:20):
But when Reggie Jackson hit the light tower in Tiger
Stadium at the All Star Game, was that a sound.
Speaker 4 (50:28):
Like that?
Speaker 2 (50:29):
You remember?
Speaker 4 (50:29):
I mean that that's one of God, do I remember
I'm sitting I had the best view of all. I mean,
I knew the beetle on the long table. I mean
I was the one that had all of this stuff.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
Now you know, and you know, and I always tell
Reggie because Reggie, you know, Reggie likes the swagger part.
I said, what you don't understand is Reggie, my ball,
my home run went farther and years did. I ended
up in right center field in the in the US,
in the up in center field, right center field, going
out to do And of course we have our things
with it and everything else, but Reggie was the beauty.
(51:01):
But god, oh my gosh. I mean we just stood
there and looked at it, like, where in the hell
is this going to go? You couldn't imagine it would
hit those light standards up there. I mean, that is
It's one of the kind. And it was a special
moment because I mean, think about that All Star Game.
How many thirty thirty some guys from the Hall of
(51:21):
Fame we're in that game?
Speaker 4 (51:24):
How you do it? What's the green for it?
Speaker 6 (51:25):
I mean.
Speaker 4 (51:27):
Misted by about six weeks, eight.
Speaker 2 (51:29):
Weeks, that's Adam Sandler sent this to me for Happy Gilmore.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
What position? Always appy? Yeah, I've seen your game I
played with you. Actually, it's close.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
To happy Gilmore.
Speaker 4 (51:44):
Are you happy?
Speaker 6 (51:45):
That's all.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
Great to talk to you man always. Thank you. That's
to the dan Is all right, thank you all right.
That's Johnny Bench, greatest catcher ever
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