November 17, 2025 • 49 mins
On today's Dan Patrick Show, DP and the Danettes recap a busy weekend in college football and the NFL. DP gives his thoughts on the Ja'Marr Chase spitting incident. Former NFL QB Tim Hasselbeck takes a victory lap on being correct about Drake Maye, and gives his thoughts on Shedeur Sanders' appearance.
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He was the first person I heard who fell in
love with Drake May. He's Tim Hasselbeck, former quarterback. He
works for the mothership. I want him to take a
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victory lap. He'll join us. Coming up next hour. Football tonight,
Cowboys three and a half point favorites at the Raiders.
Will recap all the football. There were some ugly football yesterday.
There was some entertaining football. There's also some situations that
probably warrant a closer look. Are the Lions that good?
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Are the Chiefs that good? Are the Ravens that good?
Are the Seahawks that good? I'm not quite sure because
both of my Super Bowl teams lost yesterday, the Lions
and the Chiefs, and they're on the outside of the
playoff picture looking in, and I start to wonder here.
You know, NFC North is a tough sledding here, and
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it's not a foregone conclusion that the Lions are the
best team in that division. And they might be, but
you know, everybody else is capable of providing a scare
or maybe, you know, maybe Green Bay wakes up and
realizes you got a defense that's this good and you
might blow this opportunity. Josh Jacobs and that injury, the
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severity of that their season could hinge on that He's
that valuable, but in no particular order. You know, watching
the Eagles with the Lions last night, Jared Goff Vanilla, Now,
I'm going to give the you know, the defense a
whole lot of credit here, because the Eagles defense is
still pretty good. The offense, you know, and if you're
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relying on Jalen Hurts to throw almost thirty passes, that
concerns me, yeah, because it should be starting with Saquon Barkley.
The teams are doing a pretty good job saying, all right,
let's see if Jalen Hurts can beat us. And I
wouldn't I wouldn't go to my graves saying Jalen Hurt's
going to beat you through the air. Bad call at
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the end, that was offensive pass interference. But you know, Detroit,
just you know you're going to have that aggressive play
calling from Dan Campbell and you're going forward on fourth down.
You know, at some point you got to realize maybe
your team in that game, in that moment is not
going to pick up the first down. And sometimes three
points is okay, I'm okay, I like to you know,
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it feels like it's a participatatory three points. Hey, you
got to get something here, all right, we'll give you
three points. I don't want to come away with nothing.
And that hurt. That hurt the Lions, the Chiefs. I
kept waiting, kept waiting, still waiting, and give Denver's defense
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a whole lot of credit.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
And Bo Nicks made some plays. That's what you want,
you known.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Tony Romo was talking about that, you know, give me
that kind of defense and give me a quarterback who
can make plays in the fourth quarter, which kind of
sounds like the Chiefs. But here they are average and
maybe not making the playoffs. But if they do make
the playoffs, you know, I'm looking at the odds here,
you know, because I'm curious about Super Bowl odds after
this week. The team with the best odds to win
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the Super Bowl, Todd, I'll start with you. Who does
DraftKings have the number one team? I think they're still
going to go with the Chiefs, all right.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Marvin the Bills, Paul the Rams, Dylan the Eagles.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
It's the Rams, followed closely by the Eagles, and then
it's the Bills, Colts, Seahawks and Chiefs are tied. Then
it's the Lions, Ravens, Broncos, and then the Patriots So
this is according to DraftKings this morning, and the Rams
got four interceptions from Sam Darnold and could have lost
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the game. That Seattle defense is good. But if you're
the Rams, you're like, why is this teams still in
the game. You couldn't put them away. The Eagles Buffalo,
that's a big win. You know that this is a
depleted Tampa Bay team. Give credit Tampa, you know, at
least being on the road and putting up a fight there.
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Josh Allen, that's pretty incredible stat line for him. The
Seahawks with the loss, and the Chiefs the Lions. The
Ravens won, But anyone that's not one of those where
you go yeah, you.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Kind of go heah.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I mean, Dylan Gabriel has not played well, but if
he stays in Cleveland, probably wins that game. And Shnirah
Sanders got in. Look, the offensive line is not good
and also he has no pocket awareness none. Now that
probably stems from not trusting your offensive line, but they
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still could have won the game. The Broncos at defense,
you know, when you're when you're getting the Chiefs to
settle for field goals, you were in great shape, but
you know they're they're putting pressure on Mahomes. You get
nine hits on him. So that's just some of the
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Speaker 4 (06:31):
All right, Dan, So Paulie sent me this. We're gonna
kind of populate the answers who had the worst loss
in the NFL this weekend. We've got some options here, Chiefs, Lions, Bucks, Seahawks, Chargers.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Oh my gosh, the Chargers, Heath, I know you just
six point. I mean, come on, what are we doing.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
There's a couple of teams that were just gonna go
let me wait until the playoffs, and the Chargers are
one of those teams. Seattle's one of those teams where
I don't care what your record is. Now you got
to produce in a big way in a big moment,
and I don't trust those teams.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
Yeah, Paully, the Chargers are still seven and four, they're
still doing well in their division. I could find you
articles from September where Justin Herbert was the leader for
MVP and the Chargers were the hot team and they
score six points at Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
So I'm looking at the Chiefs here. They got the
Colts at home. The Chiefs are at the Cowboys, they
host the Texans, they host the Chargers, They're at the Titans,
they host the Broncos, and then they're at the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Okay, they could end up with ten wins.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
They could easily, in my opinion, ten wins because let's
say they beat the Colts, they beat the Cowboys, they
beat the Texans, they beat the Chargers, they're at the Titan.
They could win that. I mean, they got the Broncos
at home. This is not a difficult That's why Vegas
still likes the Chiefs is one of the Super Bowl favorites.
They're five and five, and we know how dangerous they are.
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I don't care what their record is, just as long
as they get in. I'm looking at the Ravens because
Vegas likes the Ravens to win that division, and with
the injury to Aaron Rodgers, so the Ravens have the
Jets at home, Bengals at home, Steelers at home. Then
they're at the Bengals Patriots in Baltimore. Then they're at
Green Bay, and then they're at Pittsburgh. Okay, so they
could end up with nine wins. They could go nine
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and seven. If I look at the Lions, the Lions
at six and four. They host the Giants, they host
the Packers, they host the Cowboys. Okay, they could win
all three. Then they're at the Rams, Steelers at home,
They're at the Vikings and at the Bears. Okay, the
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division games are That's what's tricky here With Detroit. I
could look at Detroit winning ten games. Giants at home,
Packers at home, Cowboys at home. Steelers. Yeah, I could
see ten wins for them. I could see ten wins
for the Chiefs, maybe eleven. Baltimore, I could see maybe
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nine wins. But you know, it depends on when you're
playing who you're playing, Like, you can't afford a loss
to the Jets or the Bengals are coming to town,
you know, even the Steelers. But that's always a tough game,
that's knockdown, drag out. Then you're at the Bengals, Patriots
come to town. You're at Green Bay and at Pittsburgh. Okay,
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so it gets a little tougher there. But I could
see them nine wins, maybe ten Chiefs. I would look
at ten wins and the Lions probably got the Giants, Packers, Cowboys, Okay,
they could win all three at the Rams, not good
Steelers at home. Okay, so I'll give them ten wins.
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Give them ten wins. The thing with the Ravens is
they don't look good like Lamar Jackson didn't look good
at all. I mean when you're getting out played by
Dylan Gabra like that to me was alarming because I thought, okay,
just a two time MVP and he wasn't playing well
at all.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
Yeah, Paul, going back to the Chiefs, I don't know
if this is legal, and I think it's called collusion,
But can all the AFC teams share notes on how
to keep the Chiefs out of the playoffs. It's like
when Michael Jordan left to go play baseball. If they
missed the playoffs, it's like, oh, it's it's open now
everyone has a chance.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Here's Patrick Mahomes after the loss.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
Obviously it's gonna be tough, tough to get back in
the division race, but I'm at the end of the day,
you all the goal is to get into the playoffs
and try to make a run at it, and all
you can focus on is his next week. We got
to learn from this one as much as possible, knowing
that we're gonna get a great opponent coming into Arrowhead
this next week. And we're kind of at that point
where we got to find a way just to win
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win football games and got gotta keep moving forward. That's
what this league's all about.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
It's like you pull a string and then he just
spits out an answer. There used to be a doll
called Chatty Kathy, and you pulled the string and then
she would just say, you know, these scripted things. That's
what it sounds like after a loss like that, tough
loss like that. All right, we're five and five, we're average,
but we're above average.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
When we get to the postseason.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
It's like the Eagles yesterday, they didn't look good, but
that's a big win. You know, style points in college
it matters, not in the NFL, but you got the
win wasn't pretty and still goes back to the Jalen Hurts.
He's an average passing quarterback, but he's an above average
quarterback when it gets to the postseason. And that's what
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this is all about. Seattle. Though, watching that, I kept
thinking they could win this game. Unbelievable punt to pin
them back, you know, in the like one yard line,
unbelievable punt and then you're trying to get into field
goal range. They had a chance and could have won
that game, which is crazy. All right, what else do
we have? Stil that's all so I just posted that one.
Speaker 7 (12:23):
Dan.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
We went with Chiefs, Lions, Seahawks, Chargers for the worst loss.
We could also do worst win. There was a few
of those.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Poor example, Okay, is the Ravens win a bad win
for a team that has been terrible and just getting
to five hundred.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
I would say so, I mean they got to uh
they won by seven against Dylan Gabriel and Sadur Sanders.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
The Rams had an ugly win. Yep, that's an ugly win.
By the way, Miles Garrett had four sacks in that game.
You know you pencil him in for fifteen sacks every
it feels like every year. But I think he's had
nine of his Does he have fifteen sacks this year?
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Nine of his fifteen have come in two games?
Speaker 5 (13:12):
Yeah, he's got fifteen and ten games.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
I don't need to do the math, but I think
he's on pace for twenty eight.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
And nobody is going to care or they're not going
to be important sacks though, But that that's pretty amazing though.
He's the uh, let's see, say four sacks. He has
at least twelve sacks and six consecutive seasons. That broke
the record NFL record of five straight seasons set by
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Lawrence Taylor.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Stat of the.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Day, Sat of the day, that bus stead of the day,
stat of the day comes that what stat of the name,
first ballot Hall of Famer and nothing else to show
for it.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
That's unfortunate.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
And I thought he was on his way out, and
then all of a sudden, you know, the Browns have
to give you an offer you can't refuse. Deshaun Watson,
here's an offer you can't refuse. Miles Garrett, here's an
offer you can't refuse. That's how the only way they
can keep people and you know another thing with the
Bengals loss, I'm not bringing back Joe Burrow now, not
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going to bring him back. And we'll talk about what
happened with Jamar Chase and Jalen Ramsey because the NFL
has got to come down hard on Jamar Chase, hard
on him. We'll talk about that coming up.
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Coming up.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
A guy who deserves a victory lap. Tim Hasselbeck of
The Mothership. He was the first guy I remember saying
that he thought Drake May was the best quarterback in
the draft when he was coming out. And I think
that's the interesting part of this is sometimes we'll hear
things and we move on. Sometimes we forget who's actually
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right on these saying. You know, Chris Simms, he was
all in on Lamar Jackson in that draft. So I
love remembering what people say. There's a lot of analysts
who just say something in the moment and then we
move on. But Tim Hasselbeck was the guy who said
something about Drake May because he did acc games. You
have to see games. You can see highlights, you know,
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I got. I've watched Fernando Mendoza two games, Julian say,
and I've watched two games, so I've able to watch
a game or two. And that's the difference, not only
in college. Like Jeremiah Love, I've watched three games, and
I see the value that he has. And I think
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that's where you're being fair. You're being fair to the
story one way or another. You know, everybody talks about
Shador Sanders. Everybody wants to talk about Shador Sanders, and
I always would say the same thing. I think he'll
start for the Browns this year. He hasn't yet, but
I think he'll get that opportunity. He doesn't have pocket awareness,
he doesn't have pocket presence. Now, his offensive line isn't good.
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The Ravens went after him. He did get his moment,
but that's not really reflective or indicative of what I
think he can be. But if Dylan Gabriel doesn't get hurt.
I think the Browns win the game. But you know,
Shador Sanders is going to get a lot of attention today.
He was four for sixteen, he threw an interception, he
was under fire. I'd like to see and don't please
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you analysts. Don't do this where you go. You know,
that's the first time he's taken reps with the first team.
Your backup or third string quarterback doesn't take reps with
the first team. The only time that happens is when
your veteran quarterback. Let's say Joe Flacco doesn't practice, you know,
maybe a day or two during the week, then you
could get some first team reps if you're a quarterback.
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But please don't make excuses here. Right now, he's acting
like he's a you know, a fifth round draft pick.
Maybe he gets the opportunity his once again, get rid
of the ball, get rid of the ball, have pocket presence.
That's why Dylan Gabriel was playing. I don't know if
Dylan Gabriel is better, but he's serviceable and he gets
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the ball out quicker than should or they all want
to make a big play. Everybody wants to, you know,
have Hey, there's a five yard out. Nah, I want
to do the twelve yard in with a guy right
on him. Take small victories here, especially if you're a
young quarterback. But you know, we tend to focus on
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you know what's going to bring a click here too.
And you know, I'm watching the Titans yesterday. You know
cam Ward had a couple of moments there. Now you
can see glimpses, but you got to watch a game
because you can see a highlight, Go damn, he's good.
Watch an entire game, just to be fair when we
have these opinions, and I don't think many people are
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doing that now. It's so easy to watch the red
zone or just watch Sports Center, get a couple of
highlights or two, and it can be really, really misleading.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
And he got to be fair to these kids.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
It's the most talked about position in all of sports,
and we play so much emphasis on that. It's just
like Sam Darnold. If you watch the game, it was
standalone game last night yesterday, you know that late afternoon.
If you're watching that, you're probably going, man, I got
to see something in the postseason. And that's fair because
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I've seen him in three games to last year and
in that game against the Rams. This is what we
want to see. It's like Danny Dimes. I've watched him.
I think he plays well. I think he doesn't have
the pressure of New York and you cut down on
your turnovers. So what happens in a big game turnovers.
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That's what we're going to say with Danny Dimes. I
got to see this in the postseason. There's just certain players,
certain teams where you go okay, but that's what we
want to see. Lamar Jackson, oh my god, is the
incredible during the regular season, and what do we say,
let me see what he does in the postseason. Even
yesterday not good playing the Browns. Be fair to these
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these quarterbacks. Watch a game and see how they react
respond if something bad happens.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
You get knocked down to get back up.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
I mean, that's the genius of When I look at Mahomes,
you can hit him, put pressure on him if he
throws an interception, and that's a great defense he was
going against. But it always felt like he was he
was never his EKG. You know, wasn't up and down.
It was just this is I'm in these positions. I've
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been here. I know what to do in this now.
Denver was the better team at that defense is wonderful
and bo Nicks made some plays. Think you have a
great game. It's like when people see Caleb Williams rush
for a touchdown against the Giants previous week, Like, man,
did he have a great game? He didn't. He had
a great fourth quarter. And I think that's where being
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fair to these quarterbacks. Watched the games, and that's what
I appreciated about Tim Hasselbeck. He was watching Drake may
play games. He was covering the acc and therefore, you know,
you put value on that. You know, if Herbie is
going to tell me or Joel Klatt's going to tell
me about somebody, they're watching games and you're doing it
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for years. Chris Simms when his you know, mock draft
comes out or he talks about his quarterbacks, I mean,
I'm zero in on that because I know there's there's
depth to it, homework, there value to them. All Right,
we get two phone calls, as we always do on Monday,
best and worst of the weekend Miles. He now has
at least twelve sacks and six consecutive seasons. And the
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reason why I bring this up that's the all time
record modern record in the NFL, surpassing Lawrence Taylor. And
he's had multiple games of four or more sacks in
a season. He's done that in three career games with
four or more sacks. Leslie O'Neill, Derek Thomas, Reggie White,
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and Chandler Jones.
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Fritzy's here, Dylan's in for setan Marvin's here, Paul, he's here.
We will speak to Setan. He's on the road and
made it to Vegas. He and the big German made
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not as much overhead as he thought. So he was
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you know, with their car when they were driving it.
But I think we're gonna have to get Maco to
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Speaker 4 (24:18):
What's funny is so when I first started here, Dan,
one of my jobs was driving the box truck around
when we're doing the studio build which we rented. And
when you rent one of those box trucks, every single
thing is ensured unless you shear the top of it off,
because that is most commonly what happened.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Yeah, big German. I talked to him yesterday. I said, hey,
so that scratch he goes, well, I would say scratches, scratches,
but he got into the garage. But then he had
to get out of the garage, so we had to
just go back and scrape it up. So seatanl Join
is coming up here a little bit later on more
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of your phone calls as well. By the way, there
were five teams who won their game on the final
play yesterday wild and a couple of them were happening
like simultaneously, and I was watching the red zone and
all of a sudden it was like, oh, there's a
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that's a winner, and there that's a winner. So it
just feels like you get these one score Now. Then
you have the Chargers against Jacksonville. You're thinking that could
be a one score game.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
And it was.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
The Chargers had one score and that was it. It
was a one score game.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
All right. Poll question for hour two is gonna be
what doing all right? Dan?
Speaker 4 (25:39):
This is from Marvin. Actually, if you're not a Raiders
or Cowboys fan, why are you watching the game tonight.
I have money on the game. That would be my answer.
I'll take any football no matter what. It's better than
being with my family or other.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
I don't know. Monday night football it's always special. Joe
and Troy. Yeah, if Howard Cosell was doing the game,
I'm okay with it.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
You know these are these are legendary franchises, good uniforms.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
Yeah, Pauline, this is the kind of night where you
need the Manning cast and they're on tonight because the
game may not be juicy, but the Mannings can have
some fun with blank guests and fill in the blank
a little bit. Because this is a game you could
skip the first quarter and do other things easily.
Speaker 12 (26:29):
Well.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
I think they're gonna score a lot of points. I
think the over under is like fifty and a half.
Cowboys favored by three and a half. Yes, Todd, it's
the football.
Speaker 13 (26:38):
Even if you're have in the background, it's you know,
it's the last game of the week. It's there's something comforting.
Whether you like the voices of a Joe or Troy,
you just want to have a live football and in
the background, almost as a night light, while you're kind
of dozing off.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Okay, that's all. I'm good experience, but thank you.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
We spent a little bit of time talking about the
situation with Pittsburgh and then the Cincinnati Bengals, Jamar Chase,
the spitting incident on Jalen Ramsey. Jayalen Ramsey went through
in great detail kind of how this happened, dalling back
and forth and then all of a sudden he spit
on him. Jayalen Ramsey punched, Jamar Chase got kicked out
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of the game. Then we find out after the game
there is video evidence of Jamar Chase spitting on Jalen Ramsey.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Here is Jamar Chase with his excuse.
Speaker 11 (27:26):
He was saying that you spin on him? Did you
spin on him?
Speaker 1 (27:29):
I never opened my mouth to that guy, So what do.
Speaker 12 (27:33):
You think proud did the reaction from him.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Well, he don't like some of us swears.
Speaker 12 (27:39):
I told him We've been going back and forth the
whole time, so I'm sure some got under this skin.
Speaker 11 (27:45):
So it was building the whole game. It just wasn't
on that drive.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
And the first time we had an education and then
it was a second time.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Okay, well he's lying and there's video evidence. I don't
know what was said, but there's nothing that is going
to be said that warrants that. And this is where
I'm really curious what the NFL does. Is it just
one game? Because you know, and this has happened down
through the years with the NFL, We've had incidents. We've
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had no names, we've had big names. We've had somebody
getting spit on the Super Bowl. Steve Smith told us
that he got spit on. So you've got Bill Romanowski
spitting on a play. And you know, so there's guys
me and Joe Green allegedly spitting on Conrad Dobler. It's happened,
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but that doesn't mean that, you know, it's part of
the game. It should be there should be a real
strong deterrent here.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Now.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
I don't know if the NFL can say, all right,
we suspended Jalen Carter for the game against the Cowboys,
and therefore you can't come down harder on Jamar Chase,
can you? Because I would suspend somebody for a couple
of games. The message sink in because with that, think
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about the repercussions ramification. Let's say Jamar Chase he's suspended
for this next game. So you lose a game. Check
now you may lose that game. Therefore, there is no
reason to bring Joe Burrow back. And you have a
head coach who might be coaching for his job. So yes,
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you got caught up in the moment you spit on somebody.
So Burrow's now not going to play. Your coach may
get fired, probably will, and then you're gonna have another
loss here. So it's not just a stupid moment here.
It could be it could metastasize the issues with the
Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Yeah, dealing.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
It was also funny how he said, I've never opened
my mouth to that guy, and then he was like,
so Whitey punched. He's like, well he didn't like the
words I was saying. I was like, I believe that
is opening your mouth. Still. Also, the if you're going
purely on spit volume, his was way worse than Jalen
Carter's even maybe that's two games.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yeah, I don't know if the NFL has the authority
to be able to do that or the NFL Player
Association comes in and say, hey wait a minute here,
one game, but he's he The reporter did ask a
little bit later on in that conversation. He asked him
again about did you spit on Jalen Ramsey and he
said no, So he doubled down. And you know maybe
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he's thinking, well, there's no nobody's got that video. I
gets just his word against mine. But you know they're
all crowded in there. Somebody else had to see it.
I'm guessing, yes, Todd.
Speaker 11 (30:36):
Some people have active salary.
Speaker 13 (30:37):
Glare is just Possiblely you'll put your mouth like when
you're detentist and things start squirting it out. Then you
don't even realize what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
You if that happened with you, you would have an excuse.
Speaker 11 (30:46):
I have very active salary.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
G Yes, if you did that and you spit on me,
then I'd say and you could say I am sorry,
and I would.
Speaker 7 (30:53):
Believe you that you didn't mean to I would hope, so, yes, boy,
And when you're watching in real time, I don't think
jamar Cha nationally has a bad reputation of getting in
trouble on or off the field.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
So when I saw, like, oh, Ramsey losing is cool,
you assume it's that because you can't see it the
spit when it happens, and they didn't replay it during
the game.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Yeah, and you know, Jalen Ramsey loves to talk, and
I'm guessing Jamar Chase does too, but I'd be curious.
So a couple of things I'm waiting for, see what
the NFL does to Jamar Chase, an update on Aaron Rodgers,
and an update on Josh Jacobs. I think that's kind
of what we're waiting for. I don't think they're going
to do anything to Jamar Chase this morning, but I'm
guessing MRI with Rogers non throwing hand and Josh Jacobs
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with the knee injury for the Green Bay Packers. All right,
we'll take a break. We'll talk some more football coming up.
Your phone calls as well. We're back after this and
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Speaker 3 (31:58):
Well hear from Josh Allen.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Incredible performance and they needed all of that against Tampa Bay.
That'll be coming up in a little bit. More of
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are a I told you so. Sports Society whether you're
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Your quick to say I told you, I told you
not too many times. It's like gambling. You always tell
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people when you win. You don't tell people when you lose.
And I wanted to have Tim Hasselback on because Tim
said this last or a couple of years ago, where
he talked about Drake May, and this is two years
ago this month that he was telling us how great
Drake May is. And a lot of times we move
on from that, or you can tell some you know, hey,
I told you it was now I actually heard it,
(32:45):
and I said to Fritzy, I said, get Tim on.
You deserve a victory lap. Tim Hasselback, go on and
take it. What did you see that made you think
this was the best quarterback in that draft?
Speaker 4 (32:57):
You know?
Speaker 12 (32:58):
Then I think what I saw it was just like
the phisical tools were obviously there, like that was a
no brainer. And that's the case a lot of times
with guys, you know, they're just like physically talented and
that type of thing. But I think there were other
things about him in terms of just his makeup, you know,
in terms of like what his path was through high school,
kind of what his upbringing was, what it was like
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in terms of what his experience was like at Carolina,
how it started things he kind of had to persevere through.
And I just say this, like, I you know, I'm
not I think I said to you, you know, back then,
like I'm not a you know, the hot takes aren't
really me. That's not what you know I've done, I
guess over the last eighteen years or so. But so
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I appreciate the victory lap. I usually don't get those.
Speaker 11 (33:43):
I hear when I'm wrong a lot, so so.
Speaker 12 (33:47):
I appreciate you you you.
Speaker 11 (33:49):
Know, bringing that back.
Speaker 12 (33:50):
But anybody who's in the media who does an evaluation
of college quarterbacks has an in complete assessment of them
unless they have the ability to do like what Gruden
used to do in terms of those quarterback interviews, because truthfully,
like those are as valuable in the evaluation process as
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seeing somebody throw live and probably more beneficial than seeing
somebody throw live. So, you know, at the time, I
had the benefits of calling Carolina games over multiple years
and being able to meet with Drake, and so when
you can sit with somebody and say okay, well why
did that happen?
Speaker 11 (34:34):
What did you see here?
Speaker 12 (34:36):
That tells you way more than just watching somebody's film
and making an assessment on it. So, look, I've been
right about other guys in the past, I've been wrong
about other guys in the past. To me, there was
really nothing wrong with him as a prospect coming out,
and from my conversations with him, it was like, this
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guy totally gets it, gets everything about play in the
position and what it would be like to have to
be the leader of a franchise.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
One other topic, and I know most of your NFL
career was as a backup, and much has been made
about Shadoor Sanders that he didn't get first team reps,
and you know, Chase Daniel Josh McCown tweeted out, the
backup quarterback doesn't get first team reps. It's standard. But
it feels like everybody keeps trying to make excuses for
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Shadoor Sanders and that shouldn't be one of them, that
he didn't get first team reps. So as a backup quarterback,
how often would you get first team reps during the week?
Speaker 11 (35:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (35:38):
Never, So you know, Chase and Luke are exactly right.
They've lived it, just like every backup has lived it.
And what's interesting about being the backup is you don't
get any reps. But when you're thrown in there, everyone
wants you to play like a starter, and when you don't,
no one says, oh, well, you know, well Timmy didn't
get the reps. Like it doesn't work that like it
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just that's just that's how it goes. It's the same
thing at pretty much every position. You might you know,
some spots just because of the running and things like
that at practice. You know, you could lighten the load
at certain positions you know, are running back, maybe who's
who's had a bunch of touches throughout the season. But
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really the way it works is you only get so
many plays in practice. You know, like guys don't go
in at eight o'clock and practice plays until five thirty.
Speaker 11 (36:28):
It doesn't wear like you'll wear people out like it's
a long season.
Speaker 12 (36:32):
And so look, it might be twelve seven on seven reps,
fourteen team reps, and then by those, you know you
kind of section them out in terms of you know,
situational football, Well you give those to the guys that
you're expecting to be playing, especially if it's a you know,
a relatively young, inexperienced player, you know, so like that's
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that is standard practice across the league. And really the
only time they backup would get at any type of
work at the quarterback position is if you know, the
starter is just you know, in year fifteen, year eighteen,
and they're kind of like designed days off. Other than that,
the starter takes all the reps. That's just how it
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works in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
And watching Shudor and granted he gets far more attention
than he should, his pocket awareness is not very good.
His decision making is not very good. These are all
things this is you know, why he was taken late
in the draft. Now, those are things that I feel
like he can correct. But this isn't Colorado. You know.
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Now you're in the NFL and you're going against the
Ravens and they're going after your head. I mean, they
know you're going to throw, and you go four for sixteen,
throw an interception, and I don't know what happens after this.
I guess it depends on Dylan Gabriel. But it feels
like Dylan Gabriel got that starting job Tim because he
was quicker at the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
He did get the ball out.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
I don't know if he's better, but I think he's
better at the things that at least can help you
keep a drive alive.
Speaker 12 (38:08):
It's typically obvious in terms of the quarterbacks. They're on
a roster of who's most ready to play. It's typically
very obvious. You know, a lot of times, you know,
people will talk about, well, hey, the coach made the
decision to go with this guy or that guy. Usually
what happens is, you know, if there's any type of
parody in terms of the amount of reps guys get,
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it's very clear who's operating the situation better, you know.
Speaker 11 (38:33):
Than the next guy. It's just it's obvious. You know.
Speaker 12 (38:36):
There are very few times that it's like, I'm not
really sure.
Speaker 11 (38:40):
It seems to be pretty even.
Speaker 12 (38:42):
And so that's why, Like when you look at how
things panned out at the beginning part of the year
in Cleveland, I think it was pretty obvious to them
like that, you know, Flacco was at the time the
most prepared to do it, and if Gabriel was the
next guy up through the process, like it was most
likely very obvious to everyone there that was making decison
that he was the most prepared to operate it, and
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Dan like Sometimes it can be as simple as can
you actually spit the playout in the huddle correctly?
Speaker 11 (39:09):
Can you actually get to the line of scrimmage?
Speaker 12 (39:12):
And when someone lines up incorrectly, can you get them
lined up on the right side of the field. And
when you get a front or a look that doesn't
work with the run or the protection you have called,
can you make the adjustment?
Speaker 11 (39:25):
You know by making the call.
Speaker 12 (39:27):
And if you can't do those things, oftentimes you know
if a guy is ready to play or not before
he ever.
Speaker 11 (39:32):
Even snaps the ball.
Speaker 12 (39:33):
In practice, it's just a matter of can you at
least get us to the point where you're giving us
a chance before your ability to make.
Speaker 11 (39:41):
A throw or make somebody miss ever comes into play.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Talking to Tim Asselback ESPN, NFL college football analysts, former
NFL quarterback, give me the best pro prospect in college
football at quarterback this year?
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Oh gosh, now the pressure's on.
Speaker 12 (39:56):
You know you're hitting me. Oh man, you're hitting me
way too early because I don't want to do this.
Like then I and I this is gonna be a
cop out. Maybe you'll never invite me back again. But
I don't like doing as well saying something without.
Speaker 11 (40:14):
Having really watched.
Speaker 12 (40:16):
And here's why I say that. Here's why I say that.
So I've been at ESPN for you know, I think
this is year eighteen, and you know, I've always taken
the approach. Look, I was not a star player, and
so I've always felt like I've had to take my
job as an analyst, you know, and approach it the
way I did is is basically somebody that was always
clinging to a roster spot. And early on in my career,
(40:40):
uh in TV, I paid too much attention to what
other people were saying about guys, and I was and
I was wrong, you know what I mean, because I
let it influence me. And I was like, listen, if
I'm going to get fired as a host or as
a as an analyst because I stink kind of projecting
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who I think will be a good quarterback, it's at
least going.
Speaker 11 (41:04):
To be because of my work and my opinion on it.
Speaker 12 (41:07):
And and so you know, So so I say that
to say that, like it's too early for me to
do that. I will happily if you will invite you
on for dunk in your question. Now come back and
give you a well thought out opinion on who I
like in this year's draft.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
Thinks, So you like Fernando Mendoza.
Speaker 14 (41:27):
Okay, hey, listen, listen that what I do always like
is time on task, a guy who has played the position,
like Reps.
Speaker 11 (41:39):
I don't like guys that have seventeen starts.
Speaker 12 (41:42):
I don't like guys that have, you know, two hundred
and seventy five attempts.
Speaker 11 (41:46):
I like guys that have time on task.
Speaker 12 (41:49):
And because I don't think that if they if they
don't have it, then you are guessing. Like anybody who
said they knew Trey Lance was going to be a
good pro prospect, they were guessing there wasn't enough evidence
he hadn't played enough football since leaving high school.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Trubisky same way, I got to have at least thirty
A friend of mine who's a scout, said I got
to have at least thirty starts. And he said, you know,
I'm not going to get bo Nix and Jane Daniels
who have sixty starts, but if I can get anything
over thirty, now I have the sample size that I
can rely on.
Speaker 12 (42:23):
You agree with that, Yeah, listen, parcels commandments are not
far off from being you know, pretty pretty spot on, right.
I mean it just like his I think are forty five.
I think that's what you know, or forty or something
like that.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (42:39):
So yeah, so your friend that's a scout that's saying listen, man, like, yeah,
give me at least thirty starts and a little of
adversity to fight through before I can figure out at
all if you're ready to handle this at the highest level.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
And you bring up adversity, and I bring this up
all the time, but I've got, you know, forty years
of watching this. Show me the quarter back after he
throws a pick six, Show me the quarterback after he
gets sacked. That's what I want to see, because that'll
tell me more than you know. You lead the team
down and throw a touchdown pass, you're gonna have adversity.
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In college. You may not have that much. Julian saying
is completing eighty percent of his passes. He's not going
to complete eighty percent in the NFL or seventy and
maybe not sixty.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
But then, right, I.
Speaker 12 (43:28):
Think it's an amazing point. And one of the other
things is you reference college guys. Now, in the past,
for sure, guys had to go earn it at the
college level, like you, you might be at a place
where there's other quarterbacks on the roster, no one's making
more money than the next guy, and you had to
compete and earn the job and had to fight to
stay on the field. Now in college football, there are
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guys that are playing just because they're getting paid.
Speaker 11 (43:52):
So that idea of having to.
Speaker 12 (43:54):
Play through adversity and prove it all the time like that,
I think is being stripped a little bit from the
college and you know, in terms of responding to the adversity,
you know, responding to it in you know, kind of
micro you know, moments in terms of in a game
when it happens, but also even you know, bigger when
the struggle is real and it's weeks at a time
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and you're being blamed for things that aren't your fault.
Like all of those things I think are are things
that tell you way more about a quarterback in the
longevity of him being able to sustain success at the position.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
If the Chiefs make the playoffs, yeah, is there a
team that you would take over the Chiefs who probably won't.
They're not going to have home field advantage. But is
there a team that you would take over them in
the AFC?
Speaker 12 (44:47):
Yeah, I think there are a bunch of teams that
on their home stadium would be able to be Kansas City.
Speaker 11 (44:53):
I think I think a bunch is probably extreme. Look, if.
Speaker 12 (44:58):
I think Buffalo would be able to do it, I
think Denver, as we just saw, would be able to
have a good plan and be able to hang in
there and do it. And so you know, would the
Colts be able to do it? I think some certain
things would have to.
Speaker 11 (45:11):
Go their way.
Speaker 12 (45:12):
Look, everyone's going to be a little bit afraid of
Kansas City if they make it into the tournament and
are showing up you know, in their building. Sure, but
that path is different. You know that Kansas City's defense
is very good, but they're.
Speaker 11 (45:25):
Better at Arrowhead.
Speaker 12 (45:26):
Then they're going to be on the road in the
postseason like that will be a factor. And also this
playing another week, you know they're used to having, you know,
a first round.
Speaker 11 (45:35):
By playing another week is a thing.
Speaker 12 (45:38):
So yeah, I really think that Kansas City, you look
at their schedule, can they find four more wins?
Speaker 11 (45:44):
Yeah? I think they can.
Speaker 12 (45:44):
They get to nine wins maybe they get a tenth,
like I think they're going to be in the postseason.
Speaker 11 (45:49):
They'll scare people, but for sure beatable.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
What is it about Mahomes If you if somebody didn't
see him and you.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
Were going to explain his greatness, how would you do? Then?
Speaker 12 (46:03):
I think the things that the guys at the very
highest level are.
Speaker 11 (46:06):
Doing, and Mahomes is definitely in this mix, is they
can play perfectly in the structure of an.
Speaker 10 (46:13):
Offense, meaning like the guys that have to play right
on time, ball comes out quickly see it, Hey, you
have a blitz, they adjust the protection, get it picked up,
or they throw the hot they see the side adjustment,
all that stuff.
Speaker 12 (46:25):
But then he's got the ability to outside the design
of the play do things where you go like that
literally goes against everything you would ever coach somebody to do,
because it's like because guys physically don't have the ability
to do it and that type of thing. And then
I also think that he has I don't know, maybe
the best way to say it is a competitive awareness
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in critical situations like got to have it situations to
kind of raise his ability to be better than most
in that environment, Like why does he run better in
the plays in critical moments.
Speaker 11 (47:01):
Like why does that happen?
Speaker 12 (47:02):
It's like, well, you know what, because he just gets
it man, like it is on the line at that moment.
And I think, look, I think Josh Allen does that, like,
but Mahomes for sure does that.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
I'll leave you with this. I'm watching Jalen Hurts. I
don't think he's a good passer, right, but I think
he's a great quarterback.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (47:22):
Like, Hey, I've seen him at his highest level go
toe to toe with Mahomes. It's just I he's not
one of those regular season guys where you're gonna go, boy,
look at those numbers and even last night it's it's
not really threatening.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
So how do they make him a better passer?
Speaker 11 (47:40):
Yeah, here's what I'd say about last night.
Speaker 12 (47:41):
I do think and you know, this is another one
of those where it's like it can be an incomplete evaluation.
I thought golf looked like pretty bad last night. I
think the conditions there, you know, which don't always appear
on television. Maybe we're a little rough, So I think
there's an element of that. But to your point, I
think he had under one hundred yards passing through three quarters,
So you know, how do you make him a better
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pass I think you really try to hone in on
the things that he does extremely well, which you know,
I think there are certain kind of you know, concept
combinations that they've been really successful with in the past,
pairing certain runs with the pass where it defines the
look easily, you know, for him. But I think it's
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I think it's really diving into that stuff. The other
thing that I think has happened, and it's a little
bit of a double edged short. I think running a
quarterback and expecting him to be really accurate is asking
guys to do something that's nearly impossible.
Speaker 11 (48:40):
Right. It's the foul shooter who like is there's good.
Speaker 12 (48:47):
When he's super tired, right when he's not for quarterbacks
at the same time, with I think the type of
football player he is, so yes, it's a quarterback, but
I think also the type of football.
Speaker 11 (48:56):
Player is I think he's a little bit better when
he runs.
Speaker 12 (49:00):
I just think that the threat of him as a
runner I think clears things up as a passer, and
they just haven't been running him, which I don't think
is a bad plan in the regular season, but I
do think they need to run him in the postseason.
Speaker 3 (49:13):
Congratulations on your victory.
Speaker 11 (49:16):
Hey, well, I just would say thank you because you're
the only one that's.
Speaker 12 (49:20):
Ever offered something like that too me, So I appreciate
that very much.
Speaker 11 (49:24):
That doesn't happen.
Speaker 3 (49:26):
Thank you too, all right, thank you. Tim hasselbacky ESPNNFL
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victory lap. He'll join us. Coming up next hour. Football tonight,
Cowboys three and a half point favorites at the Raiders.
Will recap all the football. There were some ugly football yesterday.
There was some entertaining football. There's also some situations that
probably warrant a closer look. Are the Lions that good?
(01:29):
Are the Chiefs that good? Are the Ravens that good?
Are the Seahawks that good? I'm not quite sure because
both of my Super Bowl teams lost yesterday, the Lions
and the Chiefs, and they're on the outside of the
playoff picture looking in, and I start to wonder here.
You know, NFC North is a tough sledding here, and
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it's not a foregone conclusion that the Lions are the
best team in that division. And they might be, but
you know, everybody else is capable of providing a scare
or maybe, you know, maybe Green Bay wakes up and
realizes you got a defense that's this good and you
might blow this opportunity. Josh Jacobs and that injury, the
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severity of that their season could hinge on that He's
that valuable, but in no particular order. You know, watching
the Eagles with the Lions last night, Jared Goff Vanilla, Now,
I'm going to give the you know, the defense a
whole lot of credit here, because the Eagles defense is
still pretty good. The offense, you know, and if you're
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relying on Jalen Hurts to throw almost thirty passes, that
concerns me, yeah, because it should be starting with Saquon Barkley.
The teams are doing a pretty good job saying, all right,
let's see if Jalen Hurts can beat us. And I
wouldn't I wouldn't go to my graves saying Jalen Hurt's
going to beat you through the air. Bad call at
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the end, that was offensive pass interference. But you know, Detroit,
just you know you're going to have that aggressive play
calling from Dan Campbell and you're going forward on fourth down.
You know, at some point you got to realize maybe
your team in that game, in that moment is not
going to pick up the first down. And sometimes three
points is okay, I'm okay, I like to you know,
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it feels like it's a participatatory three points. Hey, you
got to get something here, all right, we'll give you
three points. I don't want to come away with nothing.
And that hurt. That hurt the Lions, the Chiefs. I
kept waiting, kept waiting, still waiting, and give Denver's defense
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a whole lot of credit.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
And Bo Nicks made some plays. That's what you want,
you known.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Tony Romo was talking about that, you know, give me
that kind of defense and give me a quarterback who
can make plays in the fourth quarter, which kind of
sounds like the Chiefs. But here they are average and
maybe not making the playoffs. But if they do make
the playoffs, you know, I'm looking at the odds here,
you know, because I'm curious about Super Bowl odds after
this week. The team with the best odds to win
(04:13):
the Super Bowl, Todd, I'll start with you. Who does
DraftKings have the number one team? I think they're still
going to go with the Chiefs, all right.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Marvin the Bills, Paul the Rams, Dylan the Eagles.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
It's the Rams, followed closely by the Eagles, and then
it's the Bills, Colts, Seahawks and Chiefs are tied. Then
it's the Lions, Ravens, Broncos, and then the Patriots So
this is according to DraftKings this morning, and the Rams
got four interceptions from Sam Darnold and could have lost
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the game. That Seattle defense is good. But if you're
the Rams, you're like, why is this teams still in
the game. You couldn't put them away. The Eagles Buffalo,
that's a big win. You know that this is a
depleted Tampa Bay team. Give credit Tampa, you know, at
least being on the road and putting up a fight there.
(05:14):
Josh Allen, that's pretty incredible stat line for him. The
Seahawks with the loss, and the Chiefs the Lions. The
Ravens won, But anyone that's not one of those where
you go yeah, you.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Kind of go heah.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I mean, Dylan Gabriel has not played well, but if
he stays in Cleveland, probably wins that game. And Shnirah
Sanders got in. Look, the offensive line is not good
and also he has no pocket awareness none. Now that
probably stems from not trusting your offensive line, but they
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still could have won the game. The Broncos at defense,
you know, when you're when you're getting the Chiefs to
settle for field goals, you were in great shape, but
you know they're they're putting pressure on Mahomes. You get
nine hits on him. So that's just some of the
cliff notes version of what we saw with the NFL.
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Speaker 4 (06:31):
All right, Dan, So Paulie sent me this. We're gonna
kind of populate the answers who had the worst loss
in the NFL this weekend. We've got some options here, Chiefs, Lions, Bucks, Seahawks, Chargers.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Oh my gosh, the Chargers, Heath, I know you just
six point. I mean, come on, what are we doing.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
There's a couple of teams that were just gonna go
let me wait until the playoffs, and the Chargers are
one of those teams. Seattle's one of those teams where
I don't care what your record is. Now you got
to produce in a big way in a big moment,
and I don't trust those teams.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
Yeah, Paully, the Chargers are still seven and four, they're
still doing well in their division. I could find you
articles from September where Justin Herbert was the leader for
MVP and the Chargers were the hot team and they
score six points at Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
So I'm looking at the Chiefs here. They got the
Colts at home. The Chiefs are at the Cowboys, they
host the Texans, they host the Chargers, They're at the Titans,
they host the Broncos, and then they're at the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Okay, they could end up with ten wins.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
They could easily, in my opinion, ten wins because let's
say they beat the Colts, they beat the Cowboys, they
beat the Texans, they beat the Chargers, they're at the Titan.
They could win that. I mean, they got the Broncos
at home. This is not a difficult That's why Vegas
still likes the Chiefs is one of the Super Bowl favorites.
They're five and five, and we know how dangerous they are.
(08:15):
I don't care what their record is, just as long
as they get in. I'm looking at the Ravens because
Vegas likes the Ravens to win that division, and with
the injury to Aaron Rodgers, so the Ravens have the
Jets at home, Bengals at home, Steelers at home. Then
they're at the Bengals Patriots in Baltimore. Then they're at
Green Bay, and then they're at Pittsburgh. Okay, so they
could end up with nine wins. They could go nine
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and seven. If I look at the Lions, the Lions
at six and four. They host the Giants, they host
the Packers, they host the Cowboys. Okay, they could win
all three. Then they're at the Rams, Steelers at home,
They're at the Vikings and at the Bears. Okay, the
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division games are That's what's tricky here With Detroit. I
could look at Detroit winning ten games. Giants at home,
Packers at home, Cowboys at home. Steelers. Yeah, I could
see ten wins for them. I could see ten wins
for the Chiefs, maybe eleven. Baltimore, I could see maybe
(09:27):
nine wins. But you know, it depends on when you're
playing who you're playing, Like, you can't afford a loss
to the Jets or the Bengals are coming to town,
you know, even the Steelers. But that's always a tough game,
that's knockdown, drag out. Then you're at the Bengals, Patriots
come to town. You're at Green Bay and at Pittsburgh. Okay,
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so it gets a little tougher there. But I could
see them nine wins, maybe ten Chiefs. I would look
at ten wins and the Lions probably got the Giants, Packers, Cowboys, Okay,
they could win all three at the Rams, not good
Steelers at home. Okay, so I'll give them ten wins.
(10:12):
Give them ten wins. The thing with the Ravens is
they don't look good like Lamar Jackson didn't look good
at all. I mean when you're getting out played by
Dylan Gabra like that to me was alarming because I thought, okay,
just a two time MVP and he wasn't playing well
at all.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
Yeah, Paul, going back to the Chiefs, I don't know
if this is legal, and I think it's called collusion,
But can all the AFC teams share notes on how
to keep the Chiefs out of the playoffs. It's like
when Michael Jordan left to go play baseball. If they
missed the playoffs, it's like, oh, it's it's open now
everyone has a chance.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Here's Patrick Mahomes after the loss.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
Obviously it's gonna be tough, tough to get back in
the division race, but I'm at the end of the day,
you all the goal is to get into the playoffs
and try to make a run at it, and all
you can focus on is his next week. We got
to learn from this one as much as possible, knowing
that we're gonna get a great opponent coming into Arrowhead
this next week. And we're kind of at that point
where we got to find a way just to win
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win football games and got gotta keep moving forward. That's
what this league's all about.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
It's like you pull a string and then he just
spits out an answer. There used to be a doll
called Chatty Kathy, and you pulled the string and then
she would just say, you know, these scripted things. That's
what it sounds like after a loss like that, tough
loss like that. All right, we're five and five, we're average,
but we're above average.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
When we get to the postseason.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
It's like the Eagles yesterday, they didn't look good, but
that's a big win. You know, style points in college
it matters, not in the NFL, but you got the
win wasn't pretty and still goes back to the Jalen Hurts.
He's an average passing quarterback, but he's an above average
quarterback when it gets to the postseason. And that's what
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this is all about. Seattle. Though, watching that, I kept
thinking they could win this game. Unbelievable punt to pin
them back, you know, in the like one yard line,
unbelievable punt and then you're trying to get into field
goal range. They had a chance and could have won
that game, which is crazy. All right, what else do
we have? Stil that's all so I just posted that one.
Speaker 7 (12:23):
Dan.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
We went with Chiefs, Lions, Seahawks, Chargers for the worst loss.
We could also do worst win. There was a few
of those.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Poor example, Okay, is the Ravens win a bad win
for a team that has been terrible and just getting
to five hundred.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
I would say so, I mean they got to uh
they won by seven against Dylan Gabriel and Sadur Sanders.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
The Rams had an ugly win. Yep, that's an ugly win.
By the way, Miles Garrett had four sacks in that game.
You know you pencil him in for fifteen sacks every
it feels like every year. But I think he's had
nine of his Does he have fifteen sacks this year?
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Nine of his fifteen have come in two games?
Speaker 5 (13:12):
Yeah, he's got fifteen and ten games.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
I don't need to do the math, but I think
he's on pace for twenty eight.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
And nobody is going to care or they're not going
to be important sacks though, But that that's pretty amazing though.
He's the uh, let's see, say four sacks. He has
at least twelve sacks and six consecutive seasons. That broke
the record NFL record of five straight seasons set by
(13:40):
Lawrence Taylor.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Stat of the.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Day, Sat of the day, that bus stead of the day,
stat of the day comes that what stat of the name,
first ballot Hall of Famer and nothing else to show
for it.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
That's unfortunate.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
And I thought he was on his way out, and
then all of a sudden, you know, the Browns have
to give you an offer you can't refuse. Deshaun Watson,
here's an offer you can't refuse. Miles Garrett, here's an
offer you can't refuse. That's how the only way they
can keep people and you know another thing with the
Bengals loss, I'm not bringing back Joe Burrow now, not
(14:21):
going to bring him back. And we'll talk about what
happened with Jamar Chase and Jalen Ramsey because the NFL
has got to come down hard on Jamar Chase, hard
on him. We'll talk about that coming up.
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Speaker 3 (15:49):
Hour two on this Monday. Hope you had a great weekend.
Coming up.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
A guy who deserves a victory lap. Tim Hasselbeck of
The Mothership. He was the first guy I remember saying
that he thought Drake May was the best quarterback in
the draft when he was coming out. And I think
that's the interesting part of this is sometimes we'll hear
things and we move on. Sometimes we forget who's actually
(16:13):
right on these saying. You know, Chris Simms, he was
all in on Lamar Jackson in that draft. So I
love remembering what people say. There's a lot of analysts
who just say something in the moment and then we
move on. But Tim Hasselbeck was the guy who said
something about Drake May because he did acc games. You
have to see games. You can see highlights, you know,
(16:35):
I got. I've watched Fernando Mendoza two games, Julian say,
and I've watched two games, so I've able to watch
a game or two. And that's the difference, not only
in college. Like Jeremiah Love, I've watched three games, and
I see the value that he has. And I think
(16:55):
that's where you're being fair. You're being fair to the
story one way or another. You know, everybody talks about
Shador Sanders. Everybody wants to talk about Shador Sanders, and
I always would say the same thing. I think he'll
start for the Browns this year. He hasn't yet, but
I think he'll get that opportunity. He doesn't have pocket awareness,
he doesn't have pocket presence. Now, his offensive line isn't good.
(17:18):
The Ravens went after him. He did get his moment,
but that's not really reflective or indicative of what I
think he can be. But if Dylan Gabriel doesn't get hurt.
I think the Browns win the game. But you know,
Shador Sanders is going to get a lot of attention today.
He was four for sixteen, he threw an interception, he
was under fire. I'd like to see and don't please
(17:40):
you analysts. Don't do this where you go. You know,
that's the first time he's taken reps with the first team.
Your backup or third string quarterback doesn't take reps with
the first team. The only time that happens is when
your veteran quarterback. Let's say Joe Flacco doesn't practice, you know,
maybe a day or two during the week, then you
could get some first team reps if you're a quarterback.
(18:03):
But please don't make excuses here. Right now, he's acting
like he's a you know, a fifth round draft pick.
Maybe he gets the opportunity his once again, get rid
of the ball, get rid of the ball, have pocket presence.
That's why Dylan Gabriel was playing. I don't know if
Dylan Gabriel is better, but he's serviceable and he gets
(18:24):
the ball out quicker than should or they all want
to make a big play. Everybody wants to, you know,
have Hey, there's a five yard out. Nah, I want
to do the twelve yard in with a guy right
on him. Take small victories here, especially if you're a
young quarterback. But you know, we tend to focus on
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you know what's going to bring a click here too.
And you know, I'm watching the Titans yesterday. You know
cam Ward had a couple of moments there. Now you
can see glimpses, but you got to watch a game
because you can see a highlight, Go damn, he's good.
Watch an entire game, just to be fair when we
have these opinions, and I don't think many people are
(19:08):
doing that now. It's so easy to watch the red
zone or just watch Sports Center, get a couple of
highlights or two, and it can be really, really misleading.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
And he got to be fair to these kids.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
It's the most talked about position in all of sports,
and we play so much emphasis on that. It's just
like Sam Darnold. If you watch the game, it was
standalone game last night yesterday, you know that late afternoon.
If you're watching that, you're probably going, man, I got
to see something in the postseason. And that's fair because
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I've seen him in three games to last year and
in that game against the Rams. This is what we
want to see. It's like Danny Dimes. I've watched him.
I think he plays well. I think he doesn't have
the pressure of New York and you cut down on
your turnovers. So what happens in a big game turnovers.
(20:02):
That's what we're going to say with Danny Dimes. I
got to see this in the postseason. There's just certain players,
certain teams where you go okay, but that's what we
want to see. Lamar Jackson, oh my god, is the
incredible during the regular season, and what do we say,
let me see what he does in the postseason. Even
yesterday not good playing the Browns. Be fair to these
(20:28):
these quarterbacks. Watch a game and see how they react
respond if something bad happens.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
You get knocked down to get back up.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
I mean, that's the genius of When I look at Mahomes,
you can hit him, put pressure on him if he
throws an interception, and that's a great defense he was
going against. But it always felt like he was he
was never his EKG. You know, wasn't up and down.
It was just this is I'm in these positions. I've
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been here. I know what to do in this now.
Denver was the better team at that defense is wonderful
and bo Nicks made some plays. Think you have a
great game. It's like when people see Caleb Williams rush
for a touchdown against the Giants previous week, Like, man,
did he have a great game? He didn't. He had
a great fourth quarter. And I think that's where being
(21:20):
fair to these quarterbacks. Watched the games, and that's what
I appreciated about Tim Hasselbeck. He was watching Drake may
play games. He was covering the acc and therefore, you know,
you put value on that. You know, if Herbie is
going to tell me or Joel Klatt's going to tell
me about somebody, they're watching games and you're doing it
(21:41):
for years. Chris Simms when his you know, mock draft
comes out or he talks about his quarterbacks, I mean,
I'm zero in on that because I know there's there's
depth to it, homework, there value to them. All Right,
we get two phone calls, as we always do on Monday,
best and worst of the weekend Miles. He now has
at least twelve sacks and six consecutive seasons. And the
(22:03):
reason why I bring this up that's the all time
record modern record in the NFL, surpassing Lawrence Taylor. And
he's had multiple games of four or more sacks in
a season. He's done that in three career games with
four or more sacks. Leslie O'Neill, Derek Thomas, Reggie White,
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and Chandler Jones.
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Fritzy's here, Dylan's in for setan Marvin's here, Paul, he's here.
We will speak to Setan. He's on the road and
made it to Vegas. He and the big German made
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it in separate vehicles. Although I heard about the damage
that Setan had on the Makeovan. It's a good thing
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so you got a scratch on the Makeo Van. He
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not as much overhead as he thought. So he was
going in and I think he heard the and then
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into the parking garage. But then he had to come
out of the parking garage. So it's not like Tommy Boy,
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you know, with their car when they were driving it.
But I think we're gonna have to get Maco to
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Speaker 4 (24:18):
What's funny is so when I first started here, Dan,
one of my jobs was driving the box truck around
when we're doing the studio build which we rented. And
when you rent one of those box trucks, every single
thing is ensured unless you shear the top of it off,
because that is most commonly what happened.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Yeah, big German. I talked to him yesterday. I said, hey,
so that scratch he goes, well, I would say scratches, scratches,
but he got into the garage. But then he had
to get out of the garage, so we had to
just go back and scrape it up. So seatanl Join
is coming up here a little bit later on more
(24:57):
of your phone calls as well. By the way, there
were five teams who won their game on the final
play yesterday wild and a couple of them were happening
like simultaneously, and I was watching the red zone and
all of a sudden it was like, oh, there's a
(25:17):
that's a winner, and there that's a winner. So it
just feels like you get these one score Now. Then
you have the Chargers against Jacksonville. You're thinking that could
be a one score game.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
And it was.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
The Chargers had one score and that was it. It
was a one score game.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
All right. Poll question for hour two is gonna be
what doing all right? Dan?
Speaker 4 (25:39):
This is from Marvin. Actually, if you're not a Raiders
or Cowboys fan, why are you watching the game tonight.
I have money on the game. That would be my answer.
I'll take any football no matter what. It's better than
being with my family or other.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
I don't know. Monday night football it's always special. Joe
and Troy. Yeah, if Howard Cosell was doing the game,
I'm okay with it.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
You know these are these are legendary franchises, good uniforms.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
Yeah, Pauline, this is the kind of night where you
need the Manning cast and they're on tonight because the
game may not be juicy, but the Mannings can have
some fun with blank guests and fill in the blank
a little bit. Because this is a game you could
skip the first quarter and do other things easily.
Speaker 12 (26:29):
Well.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
I think they're gonna score a lot of points. I
think the over under is like fifty and a half.
Cowboys favored by three and a half. Yes, Todd, it's
the football.
Speaker 13 (26:38):
Even if you're have in the background, it's you know,
it's the last game of the week. It's there's something comforting.
Whether you like the voices of a Joe or Troy,
you just want to have a live football and in
the background, almost as a night light, while you're kind
of dozing off.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Okay, that's all. I'm good experience, but thank you.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
We spent a little bit of time talking about the
situation with Pittsburgh and then the Cincinnati Bengals, Jamar Chase,
the spitting incident on Jalen Ramsey. Jayalen Ramsey went through
in great detail kind of how this happened, dalling back
and forth and then all of a sudden he spit
on him. Jayalen Ramsey punched, Jamar Chase got kicked out
(27:15):
of the game. Then we find out after the game
there is video evidence of Jamar Chase spitting on Jalen Ramsey.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Here is Jamar Chase with his excuse.
Speaker 11 (27:26):
He was saying that you spin on him? Did you
spin on him?
Speaker 1 (27:29):
I never opened my mouth to that guy, So what do.
Speaker 12 (27:33):
You think proud did the reaction from him.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Well, he don't like some of us swears.
Speaker 12 (27:39):
I told him We've been going back and forth the
whole time, so I'm sure some got under this skin.
Speaker 11 (27:45):
So it was building the whole game. It just wasn't
on that drive.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
And the first time we had an education and then
it was a second time.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Okay, well he's lying and there's video evidence. I don't
know what was said, but there's nothing that is going
to be said that warrants that. And this is where
I'm really curious what the NFL does. Is it just
one game? Because you know, and this has happened down
through the years with the NFL, We've had incidents. We've
(28:14):
had no names, we've had big names. We've had somebody
getting spit on the Super Bowl. Steve Smith told us
that he got spit on. So you've got Bill Romanowski
spitting on a play. And you know, so there's guys
me and Joe Green allegedly spitting on Conrad Dobler. It's happened,
(28:35):
but that doesn't mean that, you know, it's part of
the game. It should be there should be a real
strong deterrent here.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Now.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
I don't know if the NFL can say, all right,
we suspended Jalen Carter for the game against the Cowboys,
and therefore you can't come down harder on Jamar Chase,
can you? Because I would suspend somebody for a couple
of games. The message sink in because with that, think
(29:03):
about the repercussions ramification. Let's say Jamar Chase he's suspended
for this next game. So you lose a game. Check
now you may lose that game. Therefore, there is no
reason to bring Joe Burrow back. And you have a
head coach who might be coaching for his job. So yes,
(29:24):
you got caught up in the moment you spit on somebody.
So Burrow's now not going to play. Your coach may
get fired, probably will, and then you're gonna have another
loss here. So it's not just a stupid moment here.
It could be it could metastasize the issues with the
Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Yeah, dealing.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
It was also funny how he said, I've never opened
my mouth to that guy, and then he was like,
so Whitey punched. He's like, well he didn't like the
words I was saying. I was like, I believe that
is opening your mouth. Still. Also, the if you're going
purely on spit volume, his was way worse than Jalen
Carter's even maybe that's two games.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yeah, I don't know if the NFL has the authority
to be able to do that or the NFL Player
Association comes in and say, hey wait a minute here,
one game, but he's he The reporter did ask a
little bit later on in that conversation. He asked him
again about did you spit on Jalen Ramsey and he
said no, So he doubled down. And you know maybe
(30:23):
he's thinking, well, there's no nobody's got that video. I
gets just his word against mine. But you know they're
all crowded in there. Somebody else had to see it.
I'm guessing, yes, Todd.
Speaker 11 (30:36):
Some people have active salary.
Speaker 13 (30:37):
Glare is just Possiblely you'll put your mouth like when
you're detentist and things start squirting it out. Then you
don't even realize what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
You if that happened with you, you would have an excuse.
Speaker 11 (30:46):
I have very active salary.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
G Yes, if you did that and you spit on me,
then I'd say and you could say I am sorry,
and I would.
Speaker 7 (30:53):
Believe you that you didn't mean to I would hope, so, yes, boy,
And when you're watching in real time, I don't think
jamar Cha nationally has a bad reputation of getting in
trouble on or off the field.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
So when I saw, like, oh, Ramsey losing is cool,
you assume it's that because you can't see it the
spit when it happens, and they didn't replay it during
the game.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Yeah, and you know, Jalen Ramsey loves to talk, and
I'm guessing Jamar Chase does too, but I'd be curious.
So a couple of things I'm waiting for, see what
the NFL does to Jamar Chase, an update on Aaron Rodgers,
and an update on Josh Jacobs. I think that's kind
of what we're waiting for. I don't think they're going
to do anything to Jamar Chase this morning, but I'm
guessing MRI with Rogers non throwing hand and Josh Jacobs
(31:38):
with the knee injury for the Green Bay Packers. All right,
we'll take a break. We'll talk some more football coming up.
Your phone calls as well. We're back after this and
the Dan Patrick Show.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
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Speaker 3 (31:58):
Well hear from Josh Allen.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Incredible performance and they needed all of that against Tampa Bay.
That'll be coming up in a little bit. More of
your phone calls as well. Update the poll results. We
are a I told you so. Sports Society whether you're
an armchair quarterback, whether you're a host, whether you're an analyst.
Your quick to say I told you, I told you
not too many times. It's like gambling. You always tell
(32:23):
people when you win. You don't tell people when you lose.
And I wanted to have Tim Hasselback on because Tim
said this last or a couple of years ago, where
he talked about Drake May, and this is two years
ago this month that he was telling us how great
Drake May is. And a lot of times we move
on from that, or you can tell some you know, hey,
I told you it was now I actually heard it,
(32:45):
and I said to Fritzy, I said, get Tim on.
You deserve a victory lap. Tim Hasselback, go on and
take it. What did you see that made you think
this was the best quarterback in that draft?
Speaker 4 (32:57):
You know?
Speaker 12 (32:58):
Then I think what I saw it was just like
the phisical tools were obviously there, like that was a
no brainer. And that's the case a lot of times
with guys, you know, they're just like physically talented and
that type of thing. But I think there were other
things about him in terms of just his makeup, you know,
in terms of like what his path was through high school,
kind of what his upbringing was, what it was like
(33:20):
in terms of what his experience was like at Carolina,
how it started things he kind of had to persevere through.
And I just say this, like, I you know, I'm
not I think I said to you, you know, back then,
like I'm not a you know, the hot takes aren't
really me. That's not what you know I've done, I
guess over the last eighteen years or so. But so
(33:41):
I appreciate the victory lap. I usually don't get those.
Speaker 11 (33:43):
I hear when I'm wrong a lot, so so.
Speaker 12 (33:47):
I appreciate you you you.
Speaker 11 (33:49):
Know, bringing that back.
Speaker 12 (33:50):
But anybody who's in the media who does an evaluation
of college quarterbacks has an in complete assessment of them
unless they have the ability to do like what Gruden
used to do in terms of those quarterback interviews, because truthfully,
like those are as valuable in the evaluation process as
(34:14):
seeing somebody throw live and probably more beneficial than seeing
somebody throw live. So, you know, at the time, I
had the benefits of calling Carolina games over multiple years
and being able to meet with Drake, and so when
you can sit with somebody and say okay, well why
did that happen?
Speaker 11 (34:34):
What did you see here?
Speaker 12 (34:36):
That tells you way more than just watching somebody's film
and making an assessment on it. So, look, I've been
right about other guys in the past, I've been wrong
about other guys in the past. To me, there was
really nothing wrong with him as a prospect coming out,
and from my conversations with him, it was like, this
(34:57):
guy totally gets it, gets everything about play in the
position and what it would be like to have to
be the leader of a franchise.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
One other topic, and I know most of your NFL
career was as a backup, and much has been made
about Shadoor Sanders that he didn't get first team reps,
and you know, Chase Daniel Josh McCown tweeted out, the
backup quarterback doesn't get first team reps. It's standard. But
it feels like everybody keeps trying to make excuses for
(35:28):
Shadoor Sanders and that shouldn't be one of them, that
he didn't get first team reps. So as a backup quarterback,
how often would you get first team reps during the week?
Speaker 11 (35:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (35:38):
Never, So you know, Chase and Luke are exactly right.
They've lived it, just like every backup has lived it.
And what's interesting about being the backup is you don't
get any reps. But when you're thrown in there, everyone
wants you to play like a starter, and when you don't,
no one says, oh, well, you know, well Timmy didn't
get the reps. Like it doesn't work that like it
(36:00):
just that's just that's how it goes. It's the same
thing at pretty much every position. You might you know,
some spots just because of the running and things like
that at practice. You know, you could lighten the load
at certain positions you know, are running back, maybe who's
who's had a bunch of touches throughout the season. But
(36:21):
really the way it works is you only get so
many plays in practice. You know, like guys don't go
in at eight o'clock and practice plays until five thirty.
Speaker 11 (36:28):
It doesn't wear like you'll wear people out like it's
a long season.
Speaker 12 (36:32):
And so look, it might be twelve seven on seven reps,
fourteen team reps, and then by those, you know you
kind of section them out in terms of you know,
situational football, Well you give those to the guys that
you're expecting to be playing, especially if it's a you know,
a relatively young, inexperienced player, you know, so like that's
(36:54):
that is standard practice across the league. And really the
only time they backup would get at any type of
work at the quarterback position is if you know, the
starter is just you know, in year fifteen, year eighteen,
and they're kind of like designed days off. Other than that,
the starter takes all the reps. That's just how it
(37:15):
works in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
And watching Shudor and granted he gets far more attention
than he should, his pocket awareness is not very good.
His decision making is not very good. These are all
things this is you know, why he was taken late
in the draft. Now, those are things that I feel
like he can correct. But this isn't Colorado. You know.
(37:39):
Now you're in the NFL and you're going against the
Ravens and they're going after your head. I mean, they
know you're going to throw, and you go four for sixteen,
throw an interception, and I don't know what happens after this.
I guess it depends on Dylan Gabriel. But it feels
like Dylan Gabriel got that starting job Tim because he
was quicker at the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
He did get the ball out.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
I don't know if he's better, but I think he's
better at the things that at least can help you
keep a drive alive.
Speaker 12 (38:08):
It's typically obvious in terms of the quarterbacks. They're on
a roster of who's most ready to play. It's typically
very obvious. You know, a lot of times, you know,
people will talk about, well, hey, the coach made the
decision to go with this guy or that guy. Usually
what happens is, you know, if there's any type of
parody in terms of the amount of reps guys get,
(38:28):
it's very clear who's operating the situation better, you know.
Speaker 11 (38:33):
Than the next guy. It's just it's obvious. You know.
Speaker 12 (38:36):
There are very few times that it's like, I'm not
really sure.
Speaker 11 (38:40):
It seems to be pretty even.
Speaker 12 (38:42):
And so that's why, Like when you look at how
things panned out at the beginning part of the year
in Cleveland, I think it was pretty obvious to them
like that, you know, Flacco was at the time the
most prepared to do it, and if Gabriel was the
next guy up through the process, like it was most
likely very obvious to everyone there that was making decison
that he was the most prepared to operate it, and
(39:03):
Dan like Sometimes it can be as simple as can
you actually spit the playout in the huddle correctly?
Speaker 11 (39:09):
Can you actually get to the line of scrimmage?
Speaker 12 (39:12):
And when someone lines up incorrectly, can you get them
lined up on the right side of the field. And
when you get a front or a look that doesn't
work with the run or the protection you have called,
can you make the adjustment?
Speaker 11 (39:25):
You know by making the call.
Speaker 12 (39:27):
And if you can't do those things, oftentimes you know
if a guy is ready to play or not before
he ever.
Speaker 11 (39:32):
Even snaps the ball.
Speaker 12 (39:33):
In practice, it's just a matter of can you at
least get us to the point where you're giving us
a chance before your ability to make.
Speaker 11 (39:41):
A throw or make somebody miss ever comes into play.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Talking to Tim Asselback ESPN, NFL college football analysts, former
NFL quarterback, give me the best pro prospect in college
football at quarterback this year?
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Oh gosh, now the pressure's on.
Speaker 12 (39:56):
You know you're hitting me. Oh man, you're hitting me
way too early because I don't want to do this.
Like then I and I this is gonna be a
cop out. Maybe you'll never invite me back again. But
I don't like doing as well saying something without.
Speaker 11 (40:14):
Having really watched.
Speaker 12 (40:16):
And here's why I say that. Here's why I say that.
So I've been at ESPN for you know, I think
this is year eighteen, and you know, I've always taken
the approach. Look, I was not a star player, and
so I've always felt like I've had to take my
job as an analyst, you know, and approach it the
way I did is is basically somebody that was always
clinging to a roster spot. And early on in my career,
(40:40):
uh in TV, I paid too much attention to what
other people were saying about guys, and I was and
I was wrong, you know what I mean, because I
let it influence me. And I was like, listen, if
I'm going to get fired as a host or as
a as an analyst because I stink kind of projecting
(41:01):
who I think will be a good quarterback, it's at
least going.
Speaker 11 (41:04):
To be because of my work and my opinion on it.
Speaker 12 (41:07):
And and so you know, So so I say that
to say that, like it's too early for me to
do that. I will happily if you will invite you
on for dunk in your question. Now come back and
give you a well thought out opinion on who I
like in this year's draft.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
Thinks, So you like Fernando Mendoza.
Speaker 14 (41:27):
Okay, hey, listen, listen that what I do always like
is time on task, a guy who has played the position,
like Reps.
Speaker 11 (41:39):
I don't like guys that have seventeen starts.
Speaker 12 (41:42):
I don't like guys that have, you know, two hundred
and seventy five attempts.
Speaker 11 (41:46):
I like guys that have time on task.
Speaker 12 (41:49):
And because I don't think that if they if they
don't have it, then you are guessing. Like anybody who
said they knew Trey Lance was going to be a
good pro prospect, they were guessing there wasn't enough evidence
he hadn't played enough football since leaving high school.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Trubisky same way, I got to have at least thirty
A friend of mine who's a scout, said I got
to have at least thirty starts. And he said, you know,
I'm not going to get bo Nix and Jane Daniels
who have sixty starts, but if I can get anything
over thirty, now I have the sample size that I
can rely on.
Speaker 12 (42:23):
You agree with that, Yeah, listen, parcels commandments are not
far off from being you know, pretty pretty spot on, right.
I mean it just like his I think are forty five.
I think that's what you know, or forty or something
like that.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (42:39):
So yeah, so your friend that's a scout that's saying listen, man, like, yeah,
give me at least thirty starts and a little of
adversity to fight through before I can figure out at
all if you're ready to handle this at the highest level.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
And you bring up adversity, and I bring this up
all the time, but I've got, you know, forty years
of watching this. Show me the quarter back after he
throws a pick six, Show me the quarterback after he
gets sacked. That's what I want to see, because that'll
tell me more than you know. You lead the team
down and throw a touchdown pass, you're gonna have adversity.
(43:14):
In college. You may not have that much. Julian saying
is completing eighty percent of his passes. He's not going
to complete eighty percent in the NFL or seventy and
maybe not sixty.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
But then, right, I.
Speaker 12 (43:28):
Think it's an amazing point. And one of the other
things is you reference college guys. Now, in the past,
for sure, guys had to go earn it at the
college level, like you, you might be at a place
where there's other quarterbacks on the roster, no one's making
more money than the next guy, and you had to
compete and earn the job and had to fight to
stay on the field. Now in college football, there are
(43:49):
guys that are playing just because they're getting paid.
Speaker 11 (43:52):
So that idea of having to.
Speaker 12 (43:54):
Play through adversity and prove it all the time like that,
I think is being stripped a little bit from the
college and you know, in terms of responding to the adversity,
you know, responding to it in you know, kind of
micro you know, moments in terms of in a game
when it happens, but also even you know, bigger when
the struggle is real and it's weeks at a time
(44:16):
and you're being blamed for things that aren't your fault.
Like all of those things I think are are things
that tell you way more about a quarterback in the
longevity of him being able to sustain success at the position.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
If the Chiefs make the playoffs, yeah, is there a
team that you would take over the Chiefs who probably won't.
They're not going to have home field advantage. But is
there a team that you would take over them in
the AFC?
Speaker 12 (44:47):
Yeah, I think there are a bunch of teams that
on their home stadium would be able to be Kansas City.
Speaker 11 (44:53):
I think I think a bunch is probably extreme. Look, if.
Speaker 12 (44:58):
I think Buffalo would be able to do it, I
think Denver, as we just saw, would be able to
have a good plan and be able to hang in
there and do it. And so you know, would the
Colts be able to do it? I think some certain
things would have to.
Speaker 11 (45:11):
Go their way.
Speaker 12 (45:12):
Look, everyone's going to be a little bit afraid of
Kansas City if they make it into the tournament and
are showing up you know, in their building. Sure, but
that path is different. You know that Kansas City's defense
is very good, but they're.
Speaker 11 (45:25):
Better at Arrowhead.
Speaker 12 (45:26):
Then they're going to be on the road in the
postseason like that will be a factor. And also this
playing another week, you know they're used to having, you know,
a first round.
Speaker 11 (45:35):
By playing another week is a thing.
Speaker 12 (45:38):
So yeah, I really think that Kansas City, you look
at their schedule, can they find four more wins?
Speaker 11 (45:44):
Yeah? I think they can.
Speaker 12 (45:44):
They get to nine wins maybe they get a tenth,
like I think they're going to be in the postseason.
Speaker 11 (45:49):
They'll scare people, but for sure beatable.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
What is it about Mahomes If you if somebody didn't
see him and you.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
Were going to explain his greatness, how would you do? Then?
Speaker 12 (46:03):
I think the things that the guys at the very
highest level are.
Speaker 11 (46:06):
Doing, and Mahomes is definitely in this mix, is they
can play perfectly in the structure of an.
Speaker 10 (46:13):
Offense, meaning like the guys that have to play right
on time, ball comes out quickly see it, Hey, you
have a blitz, they adjust the protection, get it picked up,
or they throw the hot they see the side adjustment,
all that stuff.
Speaker 12 (46:25):
But then he's got the ability to outside the design
of the play do things where you go like that
literally goes against everything you would ever coach somebody to do,
because it's like because guys physically don't have the ability
to do it and that type of thing. And then
I also think that he has I don't know, maybe
the best way to say it is a competitive awareness
(46:46):
in critical situations like got to have it situations to
kind of raise his ability to be better than most
in that environment, Like why does he run better in
the plays in critical moments.
Speaker 11 (47:01):
Like why does that happen?
Speaker 12 (47:02):
It's like, well, you know what, because he just gets
it man, like it is on the line at that moment.
And I think, look, I think Josh Allen does that, like,
but Mahomes for sure does that.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
I'll leave you with this. I'm watching Jalen Hurts. I
don't think he's a good passer, right, but I think
he's a great quarterback.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (47:22):
Like, Hey, I've seen him at his highest level go
toe to toe with Mahomes. It's just I he's not
one of those regular season guys where you're gonna go, boy,
look at those numbers and even last night it's it's
not really threatening.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
So how do they make him a better passer?
Speaker 11 (47:40):
Yeah, here's what I'd say about last night.
Speaker 12 (47:41):
I do think and you know, this is another one
of those where it's like it can be an incomplete evaluation.
I thought golf looked like pretty bad last night. I
think the conditions there, you know, which don't always appear
on television. Maybe we're a little rough, So I think
there's an element of that. But to your point, I
think he had under one hundred yards passing through three quarters,
So you know, how do you make him a better
(48:03):
pass I think you really try to hone in on
the things that he does extremely well, which you know,
I think there are certain kind of you know, concept
combinations that they've been really successful with in the past,
pairing certain runs with the pass where it defines the
look easily, you know, for him. But I think it's
(48:26):
I think it's really diving into that stuff. The other
thing that I think has happened, and it's a little
bit of a double edged short. I think running a
quarterback and expecting him to be really accurate is asking
guys to do something that's nearly impossible.
Speaker 11 (48:40):
Right. It's the foul shooter who like is there's good.
Speaker 12 (48:47):
When he's super tired, right when he's not for quarterbacks
at the same time, with I think the type of
football player he is, so yes, it's a quarterback, but
I think also the type of football.
Speaker 11 (48:56):
Player is I think he's a little bit better when
he runs.
Speaker 12 (49:00):
I just think that the threat of him as a
runner I think clears things up as a passer, and
they just haven't been running him, which I don't think
is a bad plan in the regular season, but I
do think they need to run him in the postseason.
Speaker 3 (49:13):
Congratulations on your victory.
Speaker 11 (49:16):
Hey, well, I just would say thank you because you're
the only one that's.
Speaker 12 (49:20):
Ever offered something like that too me, So I appreciate
that very much.
Speaker 11 (49:24):
That doesn't happen.
Speaker 3 (49:26):
Thank you too, all right, thank you. Tim hasselbacky ESPNNFL
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