November 18, 2025 • 53 mins
Sports Illustrated senior writer Pat Forde gives his thoughts on the rumors surrounding Lane Kiffin's future and comments on James Franklin landing with Virginia Tech. Freshly minted 2025 NL Cy Young award winner Paul Skenes dispels rumors of wanting a trade to the Yankees and explains why radar gun numbers matter to him. Basketball Hall of Famer Reggie Miller loves the Pistons' ascension and believes Steph belongs in every all-time great debate.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Pirates pitcher Paul Schemes, Cy Young Winner joins us in
an hour from now. Reggie Miller will stop by as
well Pat forty, Sports Illustrated senior writer, host of Others
Receiving Votes podcast at SI dot com. He will be
at the Texas Georgia game on Saturday, then on site
for USC Oregon as well. Oh you went to Texas storage,
(00:27):
I'm sorry. Then you'll be at the USC Oregon game.
You're moving around sort of like Lane Kiffin is. So
what do you make of this tour of the South
with Lane Kiffin?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
I need the private jet access that Lane and his
family has right now. It's brazen, it's I think insulting
to the current Mississippi team, but it's Lane Kiffen. And
Lane loves to toy with people's emotions, loves to Grant's fan,
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loves to be out in front of whatever's going on.
I think he thrives on chaos to would agree, and
so sending your family to Florida and to LSU when
there's zero points zero percent chance that that's not going
to become a big public deal is pretty on brand
for Lane. But I mean, if I'm an Old Miss fan,
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if I'm an Old Miss player and you've bought in
for this season that's the best the school's had in
sixty years, and your coach's family's out doing this, I'd
be a little bit ticked.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah, I would want to ask my coach. I would
want to say, are you all in with us?
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Right?
Speaker 5 (01:41):
And I think that's fair to ask.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
If the captain's got together with Lane to say, hey,
are you all in with us? This feels like and
you would know better than me, Pat, I have no information.
Maybe somebody's agent leaked that Lane's family was going to
LSU and going to Florida. Maybe they you go back
to Ole Miss and boost the offer. I mean, this
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is this is college football today?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Well, it sure is. And that's the thing. The agents
have massive powers. Agents, Jimmy Sexton the most powerful of
all of them. And Jimmy's not above playing hardball. And
I think if he feels like, you know, this is
something that's going to help us get a better deal,
then sure I wouldn't be surprised by that at all.
(02:28):
You know that that that is how things work in
a college football ecosystem. Dan that, as you know, the
hiring cycle is completely ridiculous and stupid and unfolds during
the season, and it doesn't matter if you're having a
great season, You're still going to get caught up in
it if you are a coach who's who's being wanted here?
(02:48):
And I just have never quite understood the tolerance level
for this. Actually asked Greg Sankie on Saturday, he was
at Texas Georgia. I said, you know, any problem with
within your conference with schools poaching coaches during a season
and it's the best season Ole Missus had in decades.
And He's like, well, I control what I can control,
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and I can't control that, but I think they could
perhaps exert a little more control on how the hiring
cycle works.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Virginia Tech James Franklin, what do you think of that partnership?
Speaker 3 (03:21):
I like it. I think it's good. I think it's
good for both, you know. Franklin his biggest problem with
Ohio State and Michigan. Guess what, they're not in the
ACC and nobody liked them is in the ACC, especially
with Clemson and Florida State currently in the shape that
they're in and the program with the third most acc
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titles this century is Virginia Tech, behind Clemson, Florida State.
They've won four of them. That's a good program when
they're up and going. They got a little outdated, they
got a little bit behind, maybe in terms of compensation
model for players, but they say that all in now,
and James Franklin can win you a ten games, absolutely,
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Can he win eleven twelve, we'll see. But in that league,
I think he got a better chance.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
To do it.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
And in that league, he got a better chance to
finish one or two and go to the playoff.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
What's Penn State doing?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
That's a good question, you know. I mean, I think
they're looking in a lot of different areas. You know.
I think Signetti would have been probably the first option there,
but he quickly took himself out of it. I don't
think Matt Rule was a super attractive option to begin with.
He's taken himself out of it. A lot of talk
about assistant coaches, Brian Hartline at Ohio State, possibly Joe
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Brady from the NFL who was with the Buffalo Bills,
Eli Drinkwitz, maybe from Missouri. So there are options there,
but that one's been maybe a little more quiet than
the SEC searches.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
What about the other job openings? What do you got Arkansas, Ucla,
Oklahoma State?
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Yeah, yeah, all of those. You know Arkansas again, that
was one where Rent Lashley made a lot of sense,
but he's taken his name out. I think Alex Golish
at South Florida he's done a good job there could
be in play possibly at an Arkansas. He was the
offensive coordinator for Josh Ipel at Tennessee. Ucla is an
interesting one. I'm not sure where they're at out there.
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I still think that could be an attractive job, but
they've been so far behind from a money standpoint that
how much do they want to catch up? We're going
to find out. Oklahoma State been a lot to talk
about some coaches from Texas possibly going there, and that
makes sense from a recruiting standpoint. Eric Morris at North
Texas who's having a great season ten and one and
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plays an entertaining offense. Some people of that nature.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
We're talking to Pat forty Sports Illustrated senior writer the
Sarkesian Rumors.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Diana Luscini on.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Her podcast talked about that his people are exploring, or
at least putting feelers out there for the NFL. What
do you make of that, especially if they don't make
the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yeah, I mean, it wouldn't be shocked if he's at
least gonna look at it. And I would trust Diana
Rassini's reporting on that. But yeah, I don't think Texas
is like fed up with Steve Sarkisian to the point
of like please go. I don't think they've reached that point.
This season's definitely been a disappointment. You start number one,
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you're now seven and three, you're probably out of the playoff.
Maybe if you beat Texas A and M you can
reverse that, But I would say next year would be
a critical mass year for him. And here's the question there, Dan,
if you are pretty well tethered to arch Manning and
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you don't think arch Manning's act good, maybe you're like, Okay,
this might be time to get out instead of going
through year two with Arch being just an okay quarterback
and the blame coming back on you.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
How And is the USC Oregon game very.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
You know, Oregon's in great position, but USC is pushing
to try to get into the playoff. They only have
the two losses ones at Notre Dame, so their resume
is not bad. They need a big skin, and certainly
or winning at Eugene would would provide that tough place
to win Indiana did it, but historically very hard place
(07:25):
to win. Lincoln Riley could use it. You know, he's
he's had a good year. It had been a downward
trend from his first year until this season. Maybe reversing
that now. A big way to reverse it is to
win this game, get finished ten to two and make
the playoff.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Has he bought himself another year no matter what the
outcome is this weekend?
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Yeah? Yeah, mostly because he's too expensive. I mean, is
his buyouts astronomical? And I think it's easier it's still
on top of that because they're they're eight and two
and a wing. You know, there should worse be nine
and three in the regular season close to the playoff chase,
that sort of thing. I've gotten over some of the
shortcomings that we've seen year after year from him. So
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I think there's definite signs of improvement and they've got
a big recruiting class coming in for next year.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Safe travels, Pat, thanks for joining.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Us, my pleasure, Dan, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Pat forty Sports Illustrated senior writer, host of Others Receiving
Votes podcast at si dot com. He'll be at the
USC Oregon game. A couple of phone calls in here
Chris and Syracuse leads yous off.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
Good morning, Chris Hey, Thank you, Dan Hey.
Speaker 6 (08:33):
A couple questions for you if you are having your
Jordan flu game today, which stand Nett would be your
Scottie Pippin helping you out of the studio at noon?
And also, the consensus when Michaeh. Parson's trade went down
was that the Cowboys were the clear losers in the deal.
With the move the Cowboys have made and the money
they've saved to maybe sign guys like George Pickens next year,
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and the picks they still have, you think in a
year or two, the Cowboys could be seen as winners
or at least a one in the deal.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Yes, I do.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
But are you going to pay George Pickens now he's
in the last year of his contract.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
You're gonna pay him? See the Lamb money.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
That's a whole lot of money you got tied up
and your quarterback. Yeah, the Michael Parsons. Look, I get
Michael Parsons that at that price that price point. I
didn't want him for you know, forty seven million dollars,
but you could have had him for thirty five million
dollars if you were proactive, you knew you wanted to
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sign him, then you could have signed him. And I
do think they're a better team with Michaeh Parsons than
Quinn Williams, although I do like Quinn Williams a lot.
There there's who else is like Michaeh Parsons, three or
four players maybe you know that's just a difference maker.
And that Green Bay defense is great now. They were
(09:51):
really good before he got there. Now they're great. But yeah,
I think that this current turned out to be a
positive here. But you did give up draft cap to
bring Quinn Williams in, Yeah, pulling.
Speaker 7 (10:03):
The good thing for the Cowboys. They have Quinn Williams
under contract for the next two years at twenty two
million per year, which is relatively fair for a guy
of his stature.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
Zach and Knoxville, Zach, what's on your mind? ADP?
Speaker 8 (10:18):
Thanks for taking my call on I just wanted to
correct you yesterday. He had the first name right, But
Jeremiah Smith is the best player in college football. But
just wanted to say that you have that pull correct
question yesterday about why you're watching the game last night
and just seeing the inspired performance of the Cowboys coming
together after the tragic loss of Marshawn neland that's why
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I watched sports, people of all different backgrounds coming together
for a common goal and just an escape from everyday reality.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
So I just wanted to throw that out there.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Oh so you're saying that the best player in college
football is named Jeremiah but it's Jeremiah Smith, not Jeremiah Love.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Correct.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
Okay, all right, I'm not going to argue with it.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
I think Jeremiah Smith at Ohio State has hurt because
from the standpoint of they're going to try to make
sure he doesn't beat the opposition. Jeremiah Loves still going
to get the ball. And you got another running back
who's really good and he's just had more splash plays
than anybody and he's really good, really good.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
But it's the running back position.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
And here we are again because running backs in the
first round often treated like a football faux pas. Where
you go, man, we can't pass up that talent. Bjon
Robinson in Atlanta, Jamir Gibbs in Detroit and then Vegas
takes Ashton genty. Now I was all for that, said
prior to the draft, that's where I was hoping he
(11:44):
would go. It gives Geno Smith kind of a safety valve,
somebody who can kind of move the chains a little
bit there, and he was very exciting at Boise State. Well,
he's nineteenth in the NFL and rushing yards sixteen in attempts.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
The problem I.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Have is, if you're gonna draft somebody that high, then
use him. He had six carries for seven yards. Why
are you drafting him?
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Now?
Speaker 2 (12:14):
I probably would have thrown the ball to Brock Bauers
twenty times last night. But in today's NFL, you are
seeing teams that are using their running back and you know,
you get that running back wide receiver there. He should
be having twenty to twenty five touches unless they made
a mistake. But I'd like to see Ashton Gent be
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able to get more touches. I think that that's that's
the one thing that I was noticing. Well, there's a
lot of things I noticed with the Raiders where you're like,
oh my god, Gino Smith's regressed here. And I did
think they'd be a playoff caliber team. I thought Pete Carroll,
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Max Crosby, Brock Bauer, Gino Smith has played well. I
got Ashton Genty, Okay, I got something to work with here,
and then I realize it's not working, not working at all.
Speaker 7 (13:11):
Yeah, Paul, Pro Football Focus, does you know mid season
reports on different positions in the sport, they had the
Vegas Raiders offensive line rank the second worst in the
NFL this year in production.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
Yeah, second worst.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
That's always where I would go if I if I
have a high draft pick, unless I'm sold on the quarterback,
you know that he's that's our guy. We got our guy.
Can't miss with this guy, well, you can always miss.
I would go offense or defensive line, preferably offensive line.
Everything starts there. That dictates everything. If I have an
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offensive line that can control the ball, my defense isn't
on the field. When they do come on, you know
they're they're gonna have the energy. It's not like there's
going to be sustainable drives the opposition you're gonna negate that.
But my offensive line dictates everything. You win in the trenches,
high school, college pro you got to have good linemen,
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and that's where I would invest now the running back sometimes,
and I was all for Sakwon Barkley for the Giants
because I thought, you know what, Eli Manning has got
his safety valve there, and it never worked out. It
worked out for Philadelphia b Jon Robinson, his coach says
he's the best player in football. Why hasn't he been
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able to showcase that. Krista mccaffery's having a really good year.
I think he's second for Offensive Player of the Year.
But whenever he's healthy, he's great. It's just that running
back is always tricky. And then you got Jeremiah Love
from Notre Dame. Might be a top fifteen pick, but
we might be talking about him next year at this
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time and saying, did somebody get a great pick or
did the make a mistake. It's the running back position, yeah, Paul.
Speaker 7 (15:03):
It's like the Lion's taking Jamiir Gibbs earlier than people
thought in that draft. But they already had a good
offensive line in place when he showed up there. They
had Pine Seoul, they had a good offensive line that
he walked into. He didn't walk in like Ashton Genty
fighting for his life to get out of the backfield.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 9 (15:19):
And it's always easier to find a quality running back
than a quality offensive lineman. You can find a good
fast a he's five ten, two twenty in Karna four
to three. Those guys are everywhere, and you've seen that
with the Chiefs. What isaiaha Cheko? So I could pick
up a quality running back in the late rounds of
the draft.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Well, like Rico Dowdell, like he's a really good running back.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
Yes, Dylan.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
I feel like the Patriots did a good job of
this this year where they drafted Will Campbell in the
first round and yeah, Traveon Henderson and they started featuring
Henderson like only a few weeks ago.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
But they're running all over people.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
You got to control the line of scrimmage. As I've
pointed out many times, as great as Mahomes is, and
maybe he's the second greatest quarterback of all time, what's
happened when his offensive line isn't good?
Speaker 5 (16:05):
He is mortal.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
In those two Super Bowls he lost, he got humbled
because he had no protection whatsoever. Any great quarterback will
tell you give me protection.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
I like my chances, especially with Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
But we've always looked at that offensive line, and it's like,
oh boy, and it was, you know, on display again
last year it was on display against Tampa Bay. The
Great Ones still need a great offensive line or a
good offensive line.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
All right, we'll take a break.
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Speaker 2 (17:51):
Earlier this year, we surprised Paul's Schemes with the Tory
Lavello the Arizona Diamondbacks. He was going to be managing
the National League All Star team and he called in
to when Paul Schemes was on the show to surprise
him and say you're going to be my starting pitcher.
That was pretty cool, and Paul ended up being the
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Rookie of the Year. Of course, he's the Nation League
Cy Young Winner. He won ten games for the Pirates
and probably feels like twenty games, but you know, the
stats are incredible. Also when you think about it, he
was a catcher. He was a scrawnee kid. He ended
up going to Air Force Academy, and he was also
a great hitter, great hitter, and then all of a
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sudden kind of grew into his body and then started pitching,
and then ended up leaving Air Force Academy, going to LSU,
winning a national championship, then going to the Pirates, and
the rest is histories. They like to say he's twenty
three years of age and seems to have the world
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Speaker 5 (19:05):
So where is the cy Young?
Speaker 12 (19:08):
I haven't gotten it yet? Yeah, I think we I
think we get it into January. And where are you
going to put it? It'll be on the probably on
the wallet right behind me, somewhere on the nice and
high so you can see it.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
In zooms like this, it's an empty wall. There's where
are all the awards, Rookie of the Year. What we
don't have anything in there?
Speaker 12 (19:26):
Yeah, we're moving in. Uh we haven't. This is the
last room that we've gotten to. So we have it's
all in the room, we just haven't put it up yet.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
How surprised. Were you that it was unanimous?
Speaker 12 (19:38):
That was surprising. I mean, obviously that's a huge honor.
Winning the cy Young is one thing, going unanimous is another.
So I don't I don't really know what I was expecting.
I don't, you know, know, if I was expecting to
win it or not win it, but kind of just
got to go in there with no expectations. So you're
not you upset or anything. But the unanimous was a
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nice touch.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Seems like your girlfriend was more excited for you, Livy
kind of you know, smiling and kind of let you know,
be happy here.
Speaker 12 (20:12):
Yeah, I mean that that's a nice thing about having
her in, you know, in the picture like that and
you know, streams and that kind of thing because she
can kind of show my emotions for me. So it's
worked two years in a row.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Now, as far as like full time d h you have,
you have to look at Otani and is there any
part of you that says I could do maybe a
portion of that. I could be a hitter and I
could be a picture.
Speaker 12 (20:38):
I mean the portion I could do is stand in
the box. I couldn't.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
I think humble if I look at what you did
when you were in college you could hit.
Speaker 12 (20:49):
Yeah. That was also. I mean the Mountain West is
great like the Mountain West, and I mean even the
SEC and then obviously big leagues. They're very different things.
So I'm good. I'm good with what I'm doing right now.
I haven't picked up that in two years.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Okay, But if your manager says, hey, why don't you
go up there and pinshit?
Speaker 12 (21:10):
Oh yeah, I'm I'm strapping it on like leats, batting gloves,
elbow guards everything.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Can you be the backup catcher, like in an emergency situation?
Speaker 5 (21:20):
Could you catch?
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (21:22):
I really believe that. I mean because we played catch
every day with pitchers, so we're used to their stuff
and you know, and catching it. It's just they they
I don't think they would ever put me back there.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Give me somebody that you'd like to catch, not on
your staff, any pitcher, because catcher was your first position.
Speaker 12 (21:42):
I mean, I roll this chatman. I mean he was
on my team my rookie year, and he would do
some some cool stuff like, you know, throw a heater
ninety one and then throw it one oh four on
the next pitch then didn't really know why, and it
was like a you know a surprise every pitch for
the catcher. That'd be fun.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
What's your highest recorded pitch, your fastest pitch?
Speaker 12 (22:03):
I think one o two?
Speaker 5 (22:05):
Do you care?
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Like, if I'm assessing how you're pitching, does the radar
gun matter?
Speaker 12 (22:15):
It does to me in basically like how close I
am to my max and the minimum? Like I want
the average to be as close to those as possible.
So like sitting one hundred for me is better than
hitting one o two, but sitting ninety seven, If that
makes sense.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
What pitch are you going to add in the off season?
Speaker 12 (22:37):
I have no idea yet. I barely started throwing right now,
so we'll see. Once I get on the mound and everything.
I might start playing a house and stuff. But no
plans for anything yet.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
But you have to have an idea of somebody telling
you something or you're seeing something that you know. Can
you work that into your arsenal?
Speaker 12 (22:56):
Yeah, I think a lot of it so far has been,
you know, like, hey, you should throw your your fastball
here instead of here, you should throw it more in
instead of away, that kind of thing, rather than like
actually designing and engineering new pitches. Just because it's just
so early. I don't I'm I'm really just you know,
working to get my body back to to you know,
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in season four right now, and then we can worry
about the pitch shapes later.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Talking to Paul's schemes the unanimous Cy Young Winner, I'm
not sure if you got to fly fighter jets when
you were in the Air Force? Can you can you
even fit in the cockpit as big as you are?
Speaker 5 (23:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (23:35):
I can barely fit. You put the helmet on me
and you know, I'm wearing boots and all that, the
G suit, it's it's going to be tight. But uh yeah,
I went in I went into the Air Force Academy
about three inches shorter than I am right now. So
my you know, plans changed a little bit as time
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went on there.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Well, when you watch Top Gun and do your teammates say, hey,
is that what it was like for you in the
Air Force?
Speaker 12 (24:04):
Yeah, it's pretty common. I mean they're not they're not
playing danger Zone when I walk into the room or
anything like that.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
They wouldn't. They wouldn't do that to you, would they ever?
Speaker 12 (24:17):
They would never do that to me.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
Do you want to go back and?
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Uh, like, is there any part of you that is
not finished with the Air Force.
Speaker 12 (24:26):
Yeah, it's funny because the more I've been out of there,
it's you know, right when you leave, you're so happy
to be gone, just because it's so hard and so demanding.
And the longer I've been up, you know, away from
there and away from those people, it's like, dang, I
miss it. So I don't know about I mean, I
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when I when I did my paperwork to leave, there
was like a clause in there that like I could
come back and finish my degree as long as I
finish it before I'm twenty seven. So I would have
to do that in the next couple of years. So
in terms of going back and being a cadet, that's
that's not going to happen. But they do have a
baseball team they need coaches occasionally, so that's something I
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would be very excited to do. Living in Colorado, spring
sounds nice.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
You don't get used to losing, but you lose a lot.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Where you go from winning a national championship, now you
know you're losing one hundred games. How does that affect
you or how do you try not to let that
affect you?
Speaker 12 (25:28):
Yeah, I mean it's it's tough. It's you know, a
huge adjustment because you know, all I've done. The Air
Force is the winningest organization in the world, and then
I got to LSU and I win a national championship,
and then obviously I haven't had two great years team
wise in Pittsburgh. So it's been an adjustment. It's you know,
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it's tough to not show up to the field every
day and be better sometimes, especially when it's you know,
we're on a seven eight game skid. I think it,
you know, I think it just comes down to being
a professional. I've learned more and more how to do
that and just be the you know, be the same
person every day. I'm still learning how to do that.
(26:11):
So but yeah, it's I mean, it is energizing to
think about what it could be if and if and
when we do win. So that's the that's the thing
that gets me.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Out of bed.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
But that's how you get these stories that come out,
because you know, can you put up with this with
your talent? And that's how that report comes out that
if it was a true report or a rumor, But
how do you deal with that that anonymous player says
that you hope to be traded to the Yankees?
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (26:43):
I mean I was frustrated for a couple hours and
then and then you know, kind of got over it
and talked to the media later that night. You know,
it is what it is. There's stuff that's going to
come out, you know, good and bad. It's you know,
obviously it's it's not true. I think the hardest part
(27:04):
of leaving air Force for me was, you know, we
had just won a conference championship, the first one in
the school's history, and you know, it didn't and if
we had built that and it felt like there was
unfinished you know, work that needed to be done. So
that's how it feels right now. We're you know, I
(27:27):
won the we won the national championship or the conference
championship at air Force. That's that's what is on the
horizon for us. We just have to do it. And
leaving before that would you know, leave a bad taste
in my mouth because there wasn't you know, there was
work to be done that.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
We didn't do.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, and I think this has happened because there's no
salary cap and we look at smaller markets, good place.
You know, Garrett Cole when he was with the Pirates,
it's like, how long can these smaller market teams keep players.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
So you're just the latest.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
There'll be somebody that comes after you, and you know
they'll be doing the same thing.
Speaker 12 (28:03):
Yeah, I mean, I'm not the first person, not the
first person. That's that's you know, been through this, done this,
and I'm not I'm not the last, you know. It's
just it all comes down to how you look at
it right, Like you can you can just be bitter
at the world and pissed off, or you can you know,
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fight to to do what's right, make it right, you know, win.
Those are kind of the the two paths because you cannot,
like the bar only moves one way, it only goes up,
and for you know, that's the goal. Basically, it very
easily could go down if you let it go down.
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So you just got to keep fighting to to raise
the bar, you know, for us in Pittsburgh, but for
the next player wherever wherever that is.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Do you have to make the bed? Does your girlfriend
make you make the bed?
Speaker 12 (29:02):
Still got to make the bed. That's something that you
can't really uh, you can't get that out of you
once you've I probably made a thousand beds while I
was at Air Force and Uh, actually more than that,
probably a thousand only in basic training. So it's it's
habits that are built inside you.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
But is the bouncing the quarter is that true?
Speaker 4 (29:24):
They don't.
Speaker 12 (29:25):
They don't do that anymore, at least not when I
was there. They might, they might have brought that back.
It's funny. You'll get people that you know, don't want
to make their bed every morning, and so they like
duct tape it underneath so that it's all tight like uh,
because we got a shirt stays there to make sure
your your shirt stays tucked in, and so they'll use
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those and tie it from one side to the other.
So you'll learn those tricks from from being in it
a little bit. But anyway, No, I don't I don't
think the quarter thing is is true anymore.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
Most famous person you've met.
Speaker 12 (30:04):
Probably right now, I mean Shane Gillis. He's the biggest
person in the world.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
I don't know I was.
Speaker 12 (30:11):
It depends, you know, it depends what circle you're talking.
Uh you.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
Shane Gillis is a good guy.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
We met him in Dublin and he was doing his
stand up over there, and.
Speaker 12 (30:24):
Yeah, he's it's refreshing to talk to him. He's he's
down to earth, great dude, obviously, you know, hilarious. Everything
he does is you know, must watch TV. So it
was it was cool to meet him. Just you know,
I'm a I'm a comedy fan. Ah. I was looking
forward to meeting him, and I was not disappointed. It
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was it was pretty cool.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
Then he go to Army, Yeah he did briefly.
Speaker 12 (30:50):
Right, Yeah, he's a see when I got to l
s U. The running joke was that I thought about
serving for two years. He thought about serving for a
little bit shortter than that. But we are both My
air Force coach calls me to quitter, so we're both quitter.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Congrats, enjoy the off season, and thanks again for joining us.
Speaker 12 (31:11):
Yeah, I appreciate it. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yep, Paul skeins, he is unanimous. Did you see his
girlfriend was in the background walking by a couple of times.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
I didn't see that, yep, yep.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Now I was going to say, hey, why don't you
get your girlfriend to come up here and join us,
but she was going back and forth a couple of times.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
Y has Tom They no Yankee questions, just going to
shout that out in the.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Matter, all right, We asked the question we got it
out there, Yeah, he handled it, okay. Yeah, Paulie, it.
Speaker 7 (31:41):
Really is a tough situation for him as well, Like
you'd love to be loyal to the Pirates and build
something there, but you're also saying, I may sign up
for a career that doesn't get me deep in the postseason. Ever,
like Tony Gwinn generations ago, loyalty can It's impressive and
it's respectable, but I don't if it's the right move.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
I remember when Kevin Garnett was criticized because he didn't
want to leave Minnesota to go win a championship and
that he was loyal. Like, I think we got our
compasses pointing the wrong direction here, Like we should give
credit to somebody who is loyal. Is he going to
win a championship in Minnesota?
Speaker 3 (32:21):
No?
Speaker 2 (32:21):
I think they went to the Western Conference finals one year,
but then he went to Boston end up, you know,
winning a championship.
Speaker 7 (32:28):
Yeah, paul he wins a cy Young by going ten
to ten with a one point nine to seven ERA.
I did some research on it. If he had the
average run support of like the top twenty pitchers in
the National League last year, he probably would have been
twenty four and five. Yeah, twenty four and five In
this day and age, twenty four wins is like like forty.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
All right, when we come back, we have our super
Bowl picks. But if I give everybody a mulligan, who
would you pick to in the Super Bowl, We'll have
that for you. It's called stick or pick. Gotta have
every segment has to have a name. Stick with your
original pick or pick somebody different. Take a break back
(33:13):
after this.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
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Speaker 2 (33:27):
No Victor Wimbenyama, no Ja Morant, Spurs and the Grizzlies
in Ain't Eastern on NBC in Peacock. No problem for
Reggie Miller, who joins this on the program.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
All right, how are you.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Gonna dress this game up without Wemby and Ja Moran tonight?
Speaker 4 (33:47):
I think a lot of Zach Edy this second game back.
Jared Jackson last year's defense the player of the year
from Memphis, and I think first at Antoniodaron Fox, I
think he was the clutch player of the year. A
couple of years. Look, we're gonna roll everything and see
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what sticks.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
See, this is what I worry about with Wembin Yama.
You know, your big man always has you know, could
be feet and knees. You had the blood clot, now
you have it's a calf strain. I understand it. But
I mean that's the only thing.
Speaker 5 (34:27):
Injury is the.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Only thing that's going to prevent him from being one
of the all time greats in my opinion. But is
usage like can you prevent these things with a big man?
Speaker 4 (34:39):
No? I mean, look at John Moran, He's what barely
six feet and he has the same issue that Wimby has,
you know, a calf strain, the calf issues, And I think, uh,
just looking at the history over the last year, year
and a half with Damian Lillard, Tyrese Halliburton, Jason Tatum,
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I think any type of calf related issue, tightness, soreness, stiffness,
you will see NBA players played on the on the
cautious side. And you know, I think most training staffs
now are saying, hey, do you want to miss two
weeks or potentially miss twelve months? And I think all
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these players are going to side on the on the
air on the side of caution here with these calf issues.
But I mean, if you can go down the list
of John Moran's issues over the last two years, and
with Wimby, I mean, these are two guys that really
are so unique at their position, and with John some
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of the electrifying moves, but he does hit the floor
a lot. And we kind of highlighted this with Dwayne
Wade back in the day. What was that commercial hit
the floor, get up six times at the floor sometimes
or whatever that commercial was. I mean, these guys do
such electrifying things on the court, and Wimby's I mean,
(36:13):
we've never seen that that spin move that he did
against Draymond Green, that out of ballace play, I don't
think I've ever seen that before. And so you're gonna
have these things crop up. It's just part of the nature.
You just hope it's not a lingering thing, because CAF
issues can't linger a little bit, and you hope this
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is not a reoccurring injury.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
It looked AI when Steph Curry hits that three pointer
over Victor run Banyama. I don't even know, how do
you practice something like that of shooting over somebody who
their wingspan is probably you know, close to ten feet
and Steph with a fade away three. Used to be
(36:57):
when teams would play Luel Sindor in college, they'd have
somebody stand on a chair and hold a broom, just
to give you an idea of what it was like.
I don't know how you can simulate playing against somebody
like that and shooting jumpers over them.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
You can't.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
And I think in Steph's case, I think he reverts
back to muscle memory because he's not entirely focused on Wimby.
I think he's more my shoulders a line, am I
straight distance. Yeah, he sees the defender in front of
him and oh my god, it's you know, a twelve
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foot alien. But I think you revert it. Excuse me.
Back to the Olympics. I think he made a shot
like that to win gold medal for US over Wimby.
So there is a history there between those two on
those switches, on those high screening rolls, and so far
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Steph is two for two in those big time moments
versus Wimby. But yeah, you're shooting over over a statue,
and I think he reverts back to his muscle memory.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
We saw the Jamar Chase situation with Jalen Ramsey spitting
in his face.
Speaker 5 (38:16):
Does that happen in the NBA?
Speaker 4 (38:19):
Look as much trash talk as in face to face.
I'm not saying he didn't do it on purpose, but
in the heat of moment, Yeah, I mean it happens. Look,
there's no excuse for that. And if it was a
purpose spit on Jamar case, he's lucky you only got
(38:39):
one game because it's just there's no call for it.
You can't do that in any sport.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
But yeah, it happens in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
I don't know about necessarily purposely spitting on someone, but
when you are nose to nose and you're talking trash,
things fly out. It flies out. So I don't know
if you're purposely doing that, but yeah, things happen.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Somebody accidentally, maybe with their lisp they spit in your
face or something, or they have braces and vis a
line or something comes out.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
People trying to talk through their mouthpieces, those are a
little bit uncomfortable and spid comes out. Yes, LOOKI comes out.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
I was worried. Draymond Green talking to a fan. Okay,
nothing happened. But why is Draymond Green getting chippy with
a Pelicans fan.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
First of all, I'm gonna give as much as I
love Draymond Green, I do love them, that was some
elite trolling by that fan, no cursing. He did his
homework and if you look at the stat line, all
he was doing was referring to dream as injuries. All
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he was saying was the numbers and you're not scoring,
but you are racking.
Speaker 5 (40:06):
Up the rebound.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
That's kind of funny. So I don't understand the sensitivity
side of Draymond. That's something he would do because he's
an elite troll himself. I kind of give the fans.
I'm taking the fans point of view because there was
he didn't cross the line my point.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
I know, you would think that Draymond Green would have
a sense of humor with something like that.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
He should have had a sense of humor on this one,
because that's it's kind of funny.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
If I could give you Ja Moran's future or Zion
Williams's future, Oh.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
And I gotta pick one of these guys. Both are
injury prone. I don't know what you do going forward
with both of these guys.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Can you build around either one of them?
Speaker 4 (40:59):
No, in my opinion, you can't because I don't know
the availability of both. Certainly in Zion's case, I can't
trust if I'm a general manager, if I'm a I
don't know if I can trust these two. As electrifying
as both are, both put people in the seats, and
(41:22):
they are a higher light reel in the making, but
they're also one play away from being out three to
four weeks or even the season. I cannot trust that.
But having said all that, if I can get them
to April May and possibly June, I like my chancers too.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Steph Curry is a free agent, a shoe free agent.
Here looks like the Jordan brand is gonna scoop him
up purely. Did you ever wear a bad shoe, like
a shoe that was uncomfortable but you had an endorsement deal.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
No. When I first came into the league, do you
remember the shoe Spot Built? Yeah. I was with Spot
Builts my first two years and they were one of
the most comfortable shoes. And then I jumped over to
Nike and I was with Nike the rest of my career.
Especially for basketball players, if you're wearing an uncomfortable shoe,
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you're going to have foot problems for the rest of
your career. So it doesn't matter the model or the
name brand. You've got to make sure your jimmies are
comfortable because if not, you're gonna have ankle injuries. Planet
or fasciai Idis, which I was with Nike most of
my career, and I have Planner Fascia Idis. So it
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doesn't matter if you're Adidas, Nike, Puma, or whatever. You've
got to find comfortable shoes. And it doesn't matter because
Planet Fasciatus, are you rolling your ankle? It doesn't matter
the brand, it's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Could you have worn Air Jordan if you wanted to?
Speaker 4 (43:01):
I did later in my career, my last two or
three years. I wasn't technically a Jordan athlete because him
Jay never endorsed me technically. A lot of times I
was wearing them, especially when he was at his height.
I wore Jordan's just to piss him off. Because no
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one was supposed to be wearing Jordan brands other than
Michael Jordan or his teammates like Ron Harper or Pimp
at times, so other players weren't supposed to technically wear Jordan's,
but I would wear them just so he only when
I played him, just to tick them off.
Speaker 5 (43:44):
Wait, the only time you wore air Jordan's was when
you well, I mean I wore.
Speaker 4 (43:48):
Him at other games after, like once he went to
the Wizards. That's when I was more of a Jordan
brand type player. But when he was with the Bulls,
you weren't supposed to really wear them, but I did
occasionally wear them just to rub him a little bit
the wrong way.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
We're talking to Reggie Miller and be on the call
tonight Jamal Crawford and Noah Eagle. Yes, so it's Spurs
gridgly with.
Speaker 4 (44:16):
No Victor Winbin Yama and no Ja mort But we
are going to work this game. Baby.
Speaker 5 (44:24):
Give me the feel good story so far this season?
Speaker 4 (44:30):
How about I believe it's ten in a row now
for the Detroit Pistons leading the Central Division and just
reading everything listening to the postseason comments, they were embarrassed
and highly upset in that New York Knicks series last year.
(44:51):
They felt that they left two or three games on
the table, and I wanted to see how they would respond.
How would that summer, go are you and use that
as motivating fuel and come back bigger, stronger, faster. They
got off to a slow start, and now they've reeled
off ten straight. Very good, feel good story. I think
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the whole Luca questioning his character, his fitness, He goes
over to your old basket. He plays great, he gets
in shape. No Lebron James to start the season, and
the Lakers are what nine, four, ten and four. That's
a feel good story. Now you've got arguably the best
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player of his generation coming back within the next week
or two. I can't believe you know all eyes are
always on the Lakers, but they are. They're somewhat of
a feel good story. Luca's out for a little bit.
Austin Reeves is like Jerry West and Pete Meravich all
wrapped into one for a few games. That's a feel
(45:55):
good story.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
But I wonder when Lebron comes back mm hm. In
areas of the tail end of his career, it's Lucas team,
Austin Reeves, DeAndre eight and it feels like there's been
a little bit of a rhythm. Now Lebron comes back.
Is it up to Lebron to react to the current
team or the current team to react to Lebron coming back.
Speaker 4 (46:19):
I believe it's up to Lebron, and you don't play
in this league for twenty two plus years like Lebron
has done and not be able to adapt. And he's
been over on the sideline since the beginning of the season.
He understands what they need and when to interject, and
(46:40):
you know, be Lebron, but he also knows when he
doesn't have the same skill set, even though at his
age he was a second team All NBA player just
a year ago. I think he will fit in where
he needs to, and I think it's up to him
to fit in as opposed to these guys changing their games.
(47:02):
But I mean, think about that, you're getting an All
NBA player back if you're JJ Reddick the Lakers. I
like where this is headed.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
I had a caller I don't know if it was
yesterday or the day before, and say, is Steph Curry
a top ten player of all time? And we've discussed this.
It feels like we put fifteen players into the top ten.
Whenever we have these lists. We don't take players out
because we know Lebron is going in. Is kd and
(47:33):
Steph going into the top ten all time modern basketball
in your opinion, and you.
Speaker 4 (47:46):
Can make a case for both of them because they're
both outliers and they both have changed the game. Obviously,
Steph in his shooting, we have never seen it that
before on this stage, just like we never saw a
guy walk on air like Air Jordan. We never saw
a six or nine point guard like Magic Johnson. On
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KT's point, I mean he's seven foot even though he
won't claim that, and to be able to shoot and
score are the top ten? I would probably put Steph
in the top ten before KD.
Speaker 5 (48:25):
But who do you take out of your top ten?
Speaker 4 (48:27):
Man? I mean, that's difficult, That's it's difficult. I mean
we'd have to go over the ten first.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Okay, are we going to include Wilt and Bill Russell?
And if that's the case, then are you including Oscar
and Jerry West?
Speaker 4 (48:49):
Like I don't know, if I don't know, I don't
know if those four would be in my top ten.
Certainly Bill's the obviously the winningness. But we're talking about
in terms of talent, and this is a longer discussion.
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Let's get to this next week.
Speaker 5 (49:11):
But do you think Steph is okay.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
You're gonna have Joker, You're gonna have Giannis, You're gonna
have Luca, you got Steph, you got KD.
Speaker 4 (49:21):
Jeff Modern Day. You mean, are we gonna have all
these guys in the top ten.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
I think they'll be a make There'll be a case
for Joker in the top ten. They'll be a case
for Luca in the top ten, Steph in the top ten,
KD in the top ten?
Speaker 4 (49:36):
I mean, so, are you taking out Magic? Are you
taking out Larry Bird? Are you taking out Kareem? I mean,
I can't take those players out. You're not taking out
Eric Jordan. So I just named five right there? Are
you talking Hakeem Elijah? Now you're talking about is Hakeem
on his way out? I mean that's hard.
Speaker 5 (49:56):
To do, I know, but I got Are you taking out? No?
Speaker 4 (50:01):
I can't take out.
Speaker 5 (50:02):
Are you taking out Kobe?
Speaker 4 (50:05):
Are you taking out Tim Duncan?
Speaker 2 (50:06):
Yes, yes, I would put Steph in over Tim Duncan.
Speaker 4 (50:17):
I cannot do that. I cannot. I will say this,
I cannot take out someone who is the best at
their position over Stephan Curry, who's.
Speaker 5 (50:30):
The naiter shooter of all time?
Speaker 4 (50:33):
What position is the greatest power forward of all time.
Speaker 5 (50:37):
Steph Curry changed basketball.
Speaker 4 (50:39):
I agree. I said that, Wow, five chips versus four
chips because you got to count those two. How many
MVPs for Tim Duncan two or three?
Speaker 5 (50:53):
Two and two for Curry back to back?
Speaker 4 (50:58):
Two?
Speaker 5 (51:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (51:00):
Would you take Kad over Tim Duncan?
Speaker 4 (51:05):
No?
Speaker 2 (51:06):
Okay, no, would you take Joker.
Speaker 4 (51:11):
Over Tim Duncan?
Speaker 12 (51:14):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (51:14):
The only thing missing from the Joker is another championship.
Once he gets the two championships, then we can have
this discussion right now. No, okay, yeah, he has the
MVPs and he'll have the stats. The only thing missing
from the Joker's resumes are.
Speaker 5 (51:30):
Chips because I have to put burden magic together. Yeah, okay,
they take one one? Yes, okay?
Speaker 4 (51:37):
Yeah, hey good that helps me out there. Good.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
Yeah, It's it's tough to break into that top ten
with it just feels like there's guys.
Speaker 4 (51:48):
So according So is a chem Elijah one out for you.
Speaker 5 (51:53):
Over Steph Curry?
Speaker 4 (51:56):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (51:56):
Yeah, and it.
Speaker 2 (51:59):
Came is one of my favorite players of all mine too,
mine too.
Speaker 4 (52:03):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (52:03):
But I got to be objective with this.
Speaker 2 (52:06):
It's tough to say that, like Carl Malone, I'm taking
Carl Malone out.
Speaker 4 (52:10):
It wouldn't be in my top ten. Okay, all right,
he wouldn't be in my top ten.
Speaker 5 (52:14):
Okay, would you say? What about Bill?
Speaker 4 (52:18):
Is Bill Russell? See Bill Russell wouldn't probably be in
my top ten or Will. I don't know if Will
would be in my top ten. Shaq would be at
my top ten.
Speaker 5 (52:25):
Okay. We'd have to go modern erab.
Speaker 4 (52:29):
So seventies and up.
Speaker 2 (52:31):
Yeah, okay, it'd be like seventy five to now because
but then you've got to decide with Oscar and Jerry
West and they may not make that list either.
Speaker 4 (52:40):
It wouldn't be in my top ten.
Speaker 5 (52:42):
All right until the next time.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
Right, I'll give you plenty plenty of time to do
some homework here. Rench will be on the Call to
Night with Noah Eagle and Jamal Crawford. It's the Spurs
and the Grizzlies and eight Eastern on NBC.
Speaker 5 (52:59):
Thank you, they.
Speaker 4 (53:01):
Don't love you. And of course my dad hat's always
on fire, always
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Pirates pitcher Paul Schemes, Cy Young Winner joins us in
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Receiving Votes podcast at SI dot com. He will be
at the Texas Georgia game on Saturday, then on site
for USC Oregon as well. Oh you went to Texas storage,
(00:27):
I'm sorry. Then you'll be at the USC Oregon game.
You're moving around sort of like Lane Kiffin is. So
what do you make of this tour of the South
with Lane Kiffin?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
I need the private jet access that Lane and his
family has right now. It's brazen, it's I think insulting
to the current Mississippi team, but it's Lane Kiffen. And
Lane loves to toy with people's emotions, loves to Grant's fan,
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loves to be out in front of whatever's going on.
I think he thrives on chaos to would agree, and
so sending your family to Florida and to LSU when
there's zero points zero percent chance that that's not going
to become a big public deal is pretty on brand
for Lane. But I mean, if I'm an Old Miss fan,
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if I'm an Old Miss player and you've bought in
for this season that's the best the school's had in
sixty years, and your coach's family's out doing this, I'd
be a little bit ticked.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah, I would want to ask my coach. I would
want to say, are you all in with us?
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Right?
Speaker 5 (01:41):
And I think that's fair to ask.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
If the captain's got together with Lane to say, hey,
are you all in with us? This feels like and
you would know better than me, Pat, I have no information.
Maybe somebody's agent leaked that Lane's family was going to
LSU and going to Florida. Maybe they you go back
to Ole Miss and boost the offer. I mean, this
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is this is college football today?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Well, it sure is. And that's the thing. The agents
have massive powers. Agents, Jimmy Sexton the most powerful of
all of them. And Jimmy's not above playing hardball. And
I think if he feels like, you know, this is
something that's going to help us get a better deal,
then sure I wouldn't be surprised by that at all.
(02:28):
You know that that that is how things work in
a college football ecosystem. Dan that, as you know, the
hiring cycle is completely ridiculous and stupid and unfolds during
the season, and it doesn't matter if you're having a
great season, You're still going to get caught up in
it if you are a coach who's who's being wanted here?
(02:48):
And I just have never quite understood the tolerance level
for this. Actually asked Greg Sankie on Saturday, he was
at Texas Georgia. I said, you know, any problem with
within your conference with schools poaching coaches during a season
and it's the best season Ole Missus had in decades.
And He's like, well, I control what I can control,
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and I can't control that, but I think they could
perhaps exert a little more control on how the hiring
cycle works.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Virginia Tech James Franklin, what do you think of that partnership?
Speaker 3 (03:21):
I like it. I think it's good. I think it's
good for both, you know. Franklin his biggest problem with
Ohio State and Michigan. Guess what, they're not in the
ACC and nobody liked them is in the ACC, especially
with Clemson and Florida State currently in the shape that
they're in and the program with the third most acc
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titles this century is Virginia Tech, behind Clemson, Florida State.
They've won four of them. That's a good program when
they're up and going. They got a little outdated, they
got a little bit behind, maybe in terms of compensation
model for players, but they say that all in now,
and James Franklin can win you a ten games, absolutely,
(04:05):
Can he win eleven twelve, we'll see. But in that league,
I think he got a better chance.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
To do it.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
And in that league, he got a better chance to
finish one or two and go to the playoff.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
What's Penn State doing?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
That's a good question, you know. I mean, I think
they're looking in a lot of different areas. You know.
I think Signetti would have been probably the first option there,
but he quickly took himself out of it. I don't
think Matt Rule was a super attractive option to begin with.
He's taken himself out of it. A lot of talk
about assistant coaches, Brian Hartline at Ohio State, possibly Joe
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Brady from the NFL who was with the Buffalo Bills,
Eli Drinkwitz, maybe from Missouri. So there are options there,
but that one's been maybe a little more quiet than
the SEC searches.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
What about the other job openings? What do you got Arkansas, Ucla,
Oklahoma State?
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Yeah, yeah, all of those. You know Arkansas again, that
was one where Rent Lashley made a lot of sense,
but he's taken his name out. I think Alex Golish
at South Florida he's done a good job there could
be in play possibly at an Arkansas. He was the
offensive coordinator for Josh Ipel at Tennessee. Ucla is an
interesting one. I'm not sure where they're at out there.
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I still think that could be an attractive job, but
they've been so far behind from a money standpoint that
how much do they want to catch up? We're going
to find out. Oklahoma State been a lot to talk
about some coaches from Texas possibly going there, and that
makes sense from a recruiting standpoint. Eric Morris at North
Texas who's having a great season ten and one and
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plays an entertaining offense. Some people of that nature.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
We're talking to Pat forty Sports Illustrated senior writer the
Sarkesian Rumors.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Diana Luscini on.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Her podcast talked about that his people are exploring, or
at least putting feelers out there for the NFL. What
do you make of that, especially if they don't make
the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yeah, I mean, it wouldn't be shocked if he's at
least gonna look at it. And I would trust Diana
Rassini's reporting on that. But yeah, I don't think Texas
is like fed up with Steve Sarkisian to the point
of like please go. I don't think they've reached that point.
This season's definitely been a disappointment. You start number one,
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you're now seven and three, you're probably out of the playoff.
Maybe if you beat Texas A and M you can
reverse that, But I would say next year would be
a critical mass year for him. And here's the question there, Dan,
if you are pretty well tethered to arch Manning and
(06:48):
you don't think arch Manning's act good, maybe you're like, Okay,
this might be time to get out instead of going
through year two with Arch being just an okay quarterback
and the blame coming back on you.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
How And is the USC Oregon game very.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
You know, Oregon's in great position, but USC is pushing
to try to get into the playoff. They only have
the two losses ones at Notre Dame, so their resume
is not bad. They need a big skin, and certainly
or winning at Eugene would would provide that tough place
to win Indiana did it, but historically very hard place
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to win. Lincoln Riley could use it. You know, he's
he's had a good year. It had been a downward
trend from his first year until this season. Maybe reversing
that now. A big way to reverse it is to
win this game, get finished ten to two and make
the playoff.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Has he bought himself another year no matter what the
outcome is this weekend?
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Yeah? Yeah, mostly because he's too expensive. I mean, is
his buyouts astronomical? And I think it's easier it's still
on top of that because they're they're eight and two
and a wing. You know, there should worse be nine
and three in the regular season close to the playoff chase,
that sort of thing. I've gotten over some of the
shortcomings that we've seen year after year from him. So
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I think there's definite signs of improvement and they've got
a big recruiting class coming in for next year.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Safe travels, Pat, thanks for joining.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Us, my pleasure, Dan, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Pat forty Sports Illustrated senior writer, host of Others Receiving
Votes podcast at si dot com. He'll be at the
USC Oregon game. A couple of phone calls in here
Chris and Syracuse leads yous off.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
Good morning, Chris Hey, Thank you, Dan Hey.
Speaker 6 (08:33):
A couple questions for you if you are having your
Jordan flu game today, which stand Nett would be your
Scottie Pippin helping you out of the studio at noon?
And also, the consensus when Michaeh. Parson's trade went down
was that the Cowboys were the clear losers in the deal.
With the move the Cowboys have made and the money
they've saved to maybe sign guys like George Pickens next year,
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and the picks they still have, you think in a
year or two, the Cowboys could be seen as winners
or at least a one in the deal.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Yes, I do.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
But are you going to pay George Pickens now he's
in the last year of his contract.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
You're gonna pay him? See the Lamb money.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
That's a whole lot of money you got tied up
and your quarterback. Yeah, the Michael Parsons. Look, I get
Michael Parsons that at that price that price point. I
didn't want him for you know, forty seven million dollars,
but you could have had him for thirty five million
dollars if you were proactive, you knew you wanted to
(09:31):
sign him, then you could have signed him. And I
do think they're a better team with Michaeh Parsons than
Quinn Williams, although I do like Quinn Williams a lot.
There there's who else is like Michaeh Parsons, three or
four players maybe you know that's just a difference maker.
And that Green Bay defense is great now. They were
(09:51):
really good before he got there. Now they're great. But yeah,
I think that this current turned out to be a
positive here. But you did give up draft cap to
bring Quinn Williams in, Yeah, pulling.
Speaker 7 (10:03):
The good thing for the Cowboys. They have Quinn Williams
under contract for the next two years at twenty two
million per year, which is relatively fair for a guy
of his stature.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
Zach and Knoxville, Zach, what's on your mind? ADP?
Speaker 8 (10:18):
Thanks for taking my call on I just wanted to
correct you yesterday. He had the first name right, But
Jeremiah Smith is the best player in college football. But
just wanted to say that you have that pull correct
question yesterday about why you're watching the game last night
and just seeing the inspired performance of the Cowboys coming
together after the tragic loss of Marshawn neland that's why
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I watched sports, people of all different backgrounds coming together
for a common goal and just an escape from everyday reality.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
So I just wanted to throw that out there.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Oh so you're saying that the best player in college
football is named Jeremiah but it's Jeremiah Smith, not Jeremiah Love.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Correct.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
Okay, all right, I'm not going to argue with it.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
I think Jeremiah Smith at Ohio State has hurt because
from the standpoint of they're going to try to make
sure he doesn't beat the opposition. Jeremiah Loves still going
to get the ball. And you got another running back
who's really good and he's just had more splash plays
than anybody and he's really good, really good.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
But it's the running back position.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
And here we are again because running backs in the
first round often treated like a football faux pas. Where
you go, man, we can't pass up that talent. Bjon
Robinson in Atlanta, Jamir Gibbs in Detroit and then Vegas
takes Ashton genty. Now I was all for that, said
prior to the draft, that's where I was hoping he
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would go. It gives Geno Smith kind of a safety valve,
somebody who can kind of move the chains a little
bit there, and he was very exciting at Boise State. Well,
he's nineteenth in the NFL and rushing yards sixteen in attempts.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
The problem I.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Have is, if you're gonna draft somebody that high, then
use him. He had six carries for seven yards. Why
are you drafting him?
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Now?
Speaker 2 (12:14):
I probably would have thrown the ball to Brock Bauers
twenty times last night. But in today's NFL, you are
seeing teams that are using their running back and you know,
you get that running back wide receiver there. He should
be having twenty to twenty five touches unless they made
a mistake. But I'd like to see Ashton Gent be
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able to get more touches. I think that that's that's
the one thing that I was noticing. Well, there's a
lot of things I noticed with the Raiders where you're like,
oh my god, Gino Smith's regressed here. And I did
think they'd be a playoff caliber team. I thought Pete Carroll,
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Max Crosby, Brock Bauer, Gino Smith has played well. I
got Ashton Genty, Okay, I got something to work with here,
and then I realize it's not working, not working at all.
Speaker 7 (13:11):
Yeah, Paul, Pro Football Focus, does you know mid season
reports on different positions in the sport, they had the
Vegas Raiders offensive line rank the second worst in the
NFL this year in production.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
Yeah, second worst.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
That's always where I would go if I if I
have a high draft pick, unless I'm sold on the quarterback,
you know that he's that's our guy. We got our guy.
Can't miss with this guy, well, you can always miss.
I would go offense or defensive line, preferably offensive line.
Everything starts there. That dictates everything. If I have an
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offensive line that can control the ball, my defense isn't
on the field. When they do come on, you know
they're they're gonna have the energy. It's not like there's
going to be sustainable drives the opposition you're gonna negate that.
But my offensive line dictates everything. You win in the trenches,
high school, college pro you got to have good linemen,
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and that's where I would invest now the running back sometimes,
and I was all for Sakwon Barkley for the Giants
because I thought, you know what, Eli Manning has got
his safety valve there, and it never worked out. It
worked out for Philadelphia b Jon Robinson, his coach says
he's the best player in football. Why hasn't he been
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able to showcase that. Krista mccaffery's having a really good year.
I think he's second for Offensive Player of the Year.
But whenever he's healthy, he's great. It's just that running
back is always tricky. And then you got Jeremiah Love
from Notre Dame. Might be a top fifteen pick, but
we might be talking about him next year at this
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time and saying, did somebody get a great pick or
did the make a mistake. It's the running back position, yeah, Paul.
Speaker 7 (15:03):
It's like the Lion's taking Jamiir Gibbs earlier than people
thought in that draft. But they already had a good
offensive line in place when he showed up there. They
had Pine Seoul, they had a good offensive line that
he walked into. He didn't walk in like Ashton Genty
fighting for his life to get out of the backfield.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
Yes, Marvin.
Speaker 9 (15:19):
And it's always easier to find a quality running back
than a quality offensive lineman. You can find a good
fast a he's five ten, two twenty in Karna four
to three. Those guys are everywhere, and you've seen that
with the Chiefs. What isaiaha Cheko? So I could pick
up a quality running back in the late rounds of
the draft.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Well, like Rico Dowdell, like he's a really good running back.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
Yes, Dylan.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
I feel like the Patriots did a good job of
this this year where they drafted Will Campbell in the
first round and yeah, Traveon Henderson and they started featuring
Henderson like only a few weeks ago.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
But they're running all over people.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
You got to control the line of scrimmage. As I've
pointed out many times, as great as Mahomes is, and
maybe he's the second greatest quarterback of all time, what's
happened when his offensive line isn't good?
Speaker 5 (16:05):
He is mortal.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
In those two Super Bowls he lost, he got humbled
because he had no protection whatsoever. Any great quarterback will
tell you give me protection.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
I like my chances, especially with Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
But we've always looked at that offensive line, and it's like,
oh boy, and it was, you know, on display again
last year it was on display against Tampa Bay. The
Great Ones still need a great offensive line or a
good offensive line.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
All right, we'll take a break.
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Speaker 2 (17:51):
Earlier this year, we surprised Paul's Schemes with the Tory
Lavello the Arizona Diamondbacks. He was going to be managing
the National League All Star team and he called in
to when Paul Schemes was on the show to surprise
him and say you're going to be my starting pitcher.
That was pretty cool, and Paul ended up being the
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Rookie of the Year. Of course, he's the Nation League
Cy Young Winner. He won ten games for the Pirates
and probably feels like twenty games, but you know, the
stats are incredible. Also when you think about it, he
was a catcher. He was a scrawnee kid. He ended
up going to Air Force Academy, and he was also
a great hitter, great hitter, and then all of a
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sudden kind of grew into his body and then started pitching,
and then ended up leaving Air Force Academy, going to LSU,
winning a national championship, then going to the Pirates, and
the rest is histories. They like to say he's twenty
three years of age and seems to have the world
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Speaker 5 (19:05):
So where is the cy Young?
Speaker 12 (19:08):
I haven't gotten it yet? Yeah, I think we I
think we get it into January. And where are you
going to put it? It'll be on the probably on
the wallet right behind me, somewhere on the nice and
high so you can see it.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
In zooms like this, it's an empty wall. There's where
are all the awards, Rookie of the Year. What we
don't have anything in there?
Speaker 12 (19:26):
Yeah, we're moving in. Uh we haven't. This is the
last room that we've gotten to. So we have it's
all in the room, we just haven't put it up yet.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
How surprised. Were you that it was unanimous?
Speaker 12 (19:38):
That was surprising. I mean, obviously that's a huge honor.
Winning the cy Young is one thing, going unanimous is another.
So I don't I don't really know what I was expecting.
I don't, you know, know, if I was expecting to
win it or not win it, but kind of just
got to go in there with no expectations. So you're
not you upset or anything. But the unanimous was a
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nice touch.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Seems like your girlfriend was more excited for you, Livy
kind of you know, smiling and kind of let you know,
be happy here.
Speaker 12 (20:12):
Yeah, I mean that that's a nice thing about having
her in, you know, in the picture like that and
you know, streams and that kind of thing because she
can kind of show my emotions for me. So it's
worked two years in a row.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Now, as far as like full time d h you have,
you have to look at Otani and is there any
part of you that says I could do maybe a
portion of that. I could be a hitter and I
could be a picture.
Speaker 12 (20:38):
I mean the portion I could do is stand in
the box. I couldn't.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
I think humble if I look at what you did
when you were in college you could hit.
Speaker 12 (20:49):
Yeah. That was also. I mean the Mountain West is
great like the Mountain West, and I mean even the
SEC and then obviously big leagues. They're very different things.
So I'm good. I'm good with what I'm doing right now.
I haven't picked up that in two years.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Okay, But if your manager says, hey, why don't you
go up there and pinshit?
Speaker 12 (21:10):
Oh yeah, I'm I'm strapping it on like leats, batting gloves,
elbow guards everything.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Can you be the backup catcher, like in an emergency situation?
Speaker 5 (21:20):
Could you catch?
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (21:22):
I really believe that. I mean because we played catch
every day with pitchers, so we're used to their stuff
and you know, and catching it. It's just they they
I don't think they would ever put me back there.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Give me somebody that you'd like to catch, not on
your staff, any pitcher, because catcher was your first position.
Speaker 12 (21:42):
I mean, I roll this chatman. I mean he was
on my team my rookie year, and he would do
some some cool stuff like, you know, throw a heater
ninety one and then throw it one oh four on
the next pitch then didn't really know why, and it
was like a you know a surprise every pitch for
the catcher. That'd be fun.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
What's your highest recorded pitch, your fastest pitch?
Speaker 12 (22:03):
I think one o two?
Speaker 5 (22:05):
Do you care?
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Like, if I'm assessing how you're pitching, does the radar
gun matter?
Speaker 12 (22:15):
It does to me in basically like how close I
am to my max and the minimum? Like I want
the average to be as close to those as possible.
So like sitting one hundred for me is better than
hitting one o two, but sitting ninety seven, If that
makes sense.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
What pitch are you going to add in the off season?
Speaker 12 (22:37):
I have no idea yet. I barely started throwing right now,
so we'll see. Once I get on the mound and everything.
I might start playing a house and stuff. But no
plans for anything yet.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
But you have to have an idea of somebody telling
you something or you're seeing something that you know. Can
you work that into your arsenal?
Speaker 12 (22:56):
Yeah, I think a lot of it so far has been,
you know, like, hey, you should throw your your fastball
here instead of here, you should throw it more in
instead of away, that kind of thing, rather than like
actually designing and engineering new pitches. Just because it's just
so early. I don't I'm I'm really just you know,
working to get my body back to to you know,
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in season four right now, and then we can worry
about the pitch shapes later.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Talking to Paul's schemes the unanimous Cy Young Winner, I'm
not sure if you got to fly fighter jets when
you were in the Air Force? Can you can you
even fit in the cockpit as big as you are?
Speaker 5 (23:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (23:35):
I can barely fit. You put the helmet on me
and you know, I'm wearing boots and all that, the
G suit, it's it's going to be tight. But uh yeah,
I went in I went into the Air Force Academy
about three inches shorter than I am right now. So
my you know, plans changed a little bit as time
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went on there.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Well, when you watch Top Gun and do your teammates say, hey,
is that what it was like for you in the
Air Force?
Speaker 12 (24:04):
Yeah, it's pretty common. I mean they're not they're not
playing danger Zone when I walk into the room or
anything like that.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
They wouldn't. They wouldn't do that to you, would they ever?
Speaker 12 (24:17):
They would never do that to me.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
Do you want to go back and?
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Uh, like, is there any part of you that is
not finished with the Air Force.
Speaker 12 (24:26):
Yeah, it's funny because the more I've been out of there,
it's you know, right when you leave, you're so happy
to be gone, just because it's so hard and so demanding.
And the longer I've been up, you know, away from
there and away from those people, it's like, dang, I
miss it. So I don't know about I mean, I
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when I when I did my paperwork to leave, there
was like a clause in there that like I could
come back and finish my degree as long as I
finish it before I'm twenty seven. So I would have
to do that in the next couple of years. So
in terms of going back and being a cadet, that's
that's not going to happen. But they do have a
baseball team they need coaches occasionally, so that's something I
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would be very excited to do. Living in Colorado, spring
sounds nice.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
You don't get used to losing, but you lose a lot.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Where you go from winning a national championship, now you
know you're losing one hundred games. How does that affect
you or how do you try not to let that
affect you?
Speaker 12 (25:28):
Yeah, I mean it's it's tough. It's you know, a
huge adjustment because you know, all I've done. The Air
Force is the winningest organization in the world, and then
I got to LSU and I win a national championship,
and then obviously I haven't had two great years team
wise in Pittsburgh. So it's been an adjustment. It's you know,
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it's tough to not show up to the field every
day and be better sometimes, especially when it's you know,
we're on a seven eight game skid. I think it,
you know, I think it just comes down to being
a professional. I've learned more and more how to do
that and just be the you know, be the same
person every day. I'm still learning how to do that.
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So but yeah, it's I mean, it is energizing to
think about what it could be if and if and
when we do win. So that's the that's the thing
that gets me.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Out of bed.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
But that's how you get these stories that come out,
because you know, can you put up with this with
your talent? And that's how that report comes out that
if it was a true report or a rumor, But
how do you deal with that that anonymous player says
that you hope to be traded to the Yankees?
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (26:43):
I mean I was frustrated for a couple hours and
then and then you know, kind of got over it
and talked to the media later that night. You know,
it is what it is. There's stuff that's going to
come out, you know, good and bad. It's you know,
obviously it's it's not true. I think the hardest part
(27:04):
of leaving air Force for me was, you know, we
had just won a conference championship, the first one in
the school's history, and you know, it didn't and if
we had built that and it felt like there was
unfinished you know, work that needed to be done. So
that's how it feels right now. We're you know, I
(27:27):
won the we won the national championship or the conference
championship at air Force. That's that's what is on the
horizon for us. We just have to do it. And
leaving before that would you know, leave a bad taste
in my mouth because there wasn't you know, there was
work to be done that.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
We didn't do.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, and I think this has happened because there's no
salary cap and we look at smaller markets, good place.
You know, Garrett Cole when he was with the Pirates,
it's like, how long can these smaller market teams keep players.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
So you're just the latest.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
There'll be somebody that comes after you, and you know
they'll be doing the same thing.
Speaker 12 (28:03):
Yeah, I mean, I'm not the first person, not the
first person. That's that's you know, been through this, done this,
and I'm not I'm not the last, you know. It's
just it all comes down to how you look at
it right, Like you can you can just be bitter
at the world and pissed off, or you can you know,
(28:24):
fight to to do what's right, make it right, you know, win.
Those are kind of the the two paths because you cannot,
like the bar only moves one way, it only goes up,
and for you know, that's the goal. Basically, it very
easily could go down if you let it go down.
(28:47):
So you just got to keep fighting to to raise
the bar, you know, for us in Pittsburgh, but for
the next player wherever wherever that is.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Do you have to make the bed? Does your girlfriend
make you make the bed?
Speaker 12 (29:02):
Still got to make the bed. That's something that you
can't really uh, you can't get that out of you
once you've I probably made a thousand beds while I
was at Air Force and Uh, actually more than that,
probably a thousand only in basic training. So it's it's
habits that are built inside you.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
But is the bouncing the quarter is that true?
Speaker 4 (29:24):
They don't.
Speaker 12 (29:25):
They don't do that anymore, at least not when I
was there. They might, they might have brought that back.
It's funny. You'll get people that you know, don't want
to make their bed every morning, and so they like
duct tape it underneath so that it's all tight like uh,
because we got a shirt stays there to make sure
your your shirt stays tucked in, and so they'll use
(29:47):
those and tie it from one side to the other.
So you'll learn those tricks from from being in it
a little bit. But anyway, No, I don't I don't
think the quarter thing is is true anymore.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
Most famous person you've met.
Speaker 12 (30:04):
Probably right now, I mean Shane Gillis. He's the biggest
person in the world.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
I don't know I was.
Speaker 12 (30:11):
It depends, you know, it depends what circle you're talking.
Uh you.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
Shane Gillis is a good guy.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
We met him in Dublin and he was doing his
stand up over there, and.
Speaker 12 (30:24):
Yeah, he's it's refreshing to talk to him. He's he's
down to earth, great dude, obviously, you know, hilarious. Everything
he does is you know, must watch TV. So it
was it was cool to meet him. Just you know,
I'm a I'm a comedy fan. Ah. I was looking
forward to meeting him, and I was not disappointed. It
(30:45):
was it was pretty cool.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
Then he go to Army, Yeah he did briefly.
Speaker 12 (30:50):
Right, Yeah, he's a see when I got to l
s U. The running joke was that I thought about
serving for two years. He thought about serving for a
little bit shortter than that. But we are both My
air Force coach calls me to quitter, so we're both quitter.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Congrats, enjoy the off season, and thanks again for joining us.
Speaker 12 (31:11):
Yeah, I appreciate it. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yep, Paul skeins, he is unanimous. Did you see his
girlfriend was in the background walking by a couple of times.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
I didn't see that, yep, yep.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Now I was going to say, hey, why don't you
get your girlfriend to come up here and join us,
but she was going back and forth a couple of times.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
Y has Tom They no Yankee questions, just going to
shout that out in the.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Matter, all right, We asked the question we got it
out there, Yeah, he handled it, okay. Yeah, Paulie, it.
Speaker 7 (31:41):
Really is a tough situation for him as well, Like
you'd love to be loyal to the Pirates and build
something there, but you're also saying, I may sign up
for a career that doesn't get me deep in the postseason. Ever,
like Tony Gwinn generations ago, loyalty can It's impressive and
it's respectable, but I don't if it's the right move.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
I remember when Kevin Garnett was criticized because he didn't
want to leave Minnesota to go win a championship and
that he was loyal. Like, I think we got our
compasses pointing the wrong direction here, Like we should give
credit to somebody who is loyal. Is he going to
win a championship in Minnesota?
Speaker 3 (32:21):
No?
Speaker 2 (32:21):
I think they went to the Western Conference finals one year,
but then he went to Boston end up, you know,
winning a championship.
Speaker 7 (32:28):
Yeah, paul he wins a cy Young by going ten
to ten with a one point nine to seven ERA.
I did some research on it. If he had the
average run support of like the top twenty pitchers in
the National League last year, he probably would have been
twenty four and five. Yeah, twenty four and five In
this day and age, twenty four wins is like like forty.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
All right, when we come back, we have our super
Bowl picks. But if I give everybody a mulligan, who
would you pick to in the Super Bowl, We'll have
that for you. It's called stick or pick. Gotta have
every segment has to have a name. Stick with your
original pick or pick somebody different. Take a break back
(33:13):
after this.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
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Speaker 2 (33:27):
No Victor Wimbenyama, no Ja Morant, Spurs and the Grizzlies
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Reggie Miller, who joins this on the program.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
All right, how are you.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Gonna dress this game up without Wemby and Ja Moran tonight?
Speaker 4 (33:47):
I think a lot of Zach Edy this second game back.
Jared Jackson last year's defense the player of the year
from Memphis, and I think first at Antoniodaron Fox, I
think he was the clutch player of the year. A
couple of years. Look, we're gonna roll everything and see
(34:11):
what sticks.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
See, this is what I worry about with Wembin Yama.
You know, your big man always has you know, could
be feet and knees. You had the blood clot, now
you have it's a calf strain. I understand it. But
I mean that's the only thing.
Speaker 5 (34:27):
Injury is the.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Only thing that's going to prevent him from being one
of the all time greats in my opinion. But is
usage like can you prevent these things with a big man?
Speaker 4 (34:39):
No? I mean, look at John Moran, He's what barely
six feet and he has the same issue that Wimby has,
you know, a calf strain, the calf issues, And I think, uh,
just looking at the history over the last year, year
and a half with Damian Lillard, Tyrese Halliburton, Jason Tatum,
(35:04):
I think any type of calf related issue, tightness, soreness, stiffness,
you will see NBA players played on the on the
cautious side. And you know, I think most training staffs
now are saying, hey, do you want to miss two
weeks or potentially miss twelve months? And I think all
(35:29):
these players are going to side on the on the
air on the side of caution here with these calf issues.
But I mean, if you can go down the list
of John Moran's issues over the last two years, and
with Wimby, I mean, these are two guys that really
are so unique at their position, and with John some
(35:52):
of the electrifying moves, but he does hit the floor
a lot. And we kind of highlighted this with Dwayne
Wade back in the day. What was that commercial hit
the floor, get up six times at the floor sometimes
or whatever that commercial was. I mean, these guys do
such electrifying things on the court, and Wimby's I mean,
(36:13):
we've never seen that that spin move that he did
against Draymond Green, that out of ballace play, I don't
think I've ever seen that before. And so you're gonna
have these things crop up. It's just part of the nature.
You just hope it's not a lingering thing, because CAF
issues can't linger a little bit, and you hope this
(36:34):
is not a reoccurring injury.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
It looked AI when Steph Curry hits that three pointer
over Victor run Banyama. I don't even know, how do
you practice something like that of shooting over somebody who
their wingspan is probably you know, close to ten feet
and Steph with a fade away three. Used to be
(36:57):
when teams would play Luel Sindor in college, they'd have
somebody stand on a chair and hold a broom, just
to give you an idea of what it was like.
I don't know how you can simulate playing against somebody
like that and shooting jumpers over them.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
You can't.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
And I think in Steph's case, I think he reverts
back to muscle memory because he's not entirely focused on Wimby.
I think he's more my shoulders a line, am I
straight distance. Yeah, he sees the defender in front of
him and oh my god, it's you know, a twelve
(37:35):
foot alien. But I think you revert it. Excuse me.
Back to the Olympics. I think he made a shot
like that to win gold medal for US over Wimby.
So there is a history there between those two on
those switches, on those high screening rolls, and so far
(37:56):
Steph is two for two in those big time moments
versus Wimby. But yeah, you're shooting over over a statue,
and I think he reverts back to his muscle memory.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
We saw the Jamar Chase situation with Jalen Ramsey spitting
in his face.
Speaker 5 (38:16):
Does that happen in the NBA?
Speaker 4 (38:19):
Look as much trash talk as in face to face.
I'm not saying he didn't do it on purpose, but
in the heat of moment, Yeah, I mean it happens. Look,
there's no excuse for that. And if it was a
purpose spit on Jamar case, he's lucky you only got
(38:39):
one game because it's just there's no call for it.
You can't do that in any sport.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
But yeah, it happens in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
I don't know about necessarily purposely spitting on someone, but
when you are nose to nose and you're talking trash,
things fly out. It flies out. So I don't know
if you're purposely doing that, but yeah, things happen.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Somebody accidentally, maybe with their lisp they spit in your
face or something, or they have braces and vis a
line or something comes out.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
People trying to talk through their mouthpieces, those are a
little bit uncomfortable and spid comes out. Yes, LOOKI comes out.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
I was worried. Draymond Green talking to a fan. Okay,
nothing happened. But why is Draymond Green getting chippy with
a Pelicans fan.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
First of all, I'm gonna give as much as I
love Draymond Green, I do love them, that was some
elite trolling by that fan, no cursing. He did his
homework and if you look at the stat line, all
he was doing was referring to dream as injuries. All
(40:01):
he was saying was the numbers and you're not scoring,
but you are racking.
Speaker 5 (40:06):
Up the rebound.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
That's kind of funny. So I don't understand the sensitivity
side of Draymond. That's something he would do because he's
an elite troll himself. I kind of give the fans.
I'm taking the fans point of view because there was
he didn't cross the line my point.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
I know, you would think that Draymond Green would have
a sense of humor with something like that.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
He should have had a sense of humor on this one,
because that's it's kind of funny.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
If I could give you Ja Moran's future or Zion
Williams's future, Oh.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
And I gotta pick one of these guys. Both are
injury prone. I don't know what you do going forward
with both of these guys.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Can you build around either one of them?
Speaker 4 (40:59):
No, in my opinion, you can't because I don't know
the availability of both. Certainly in Zion's case, I can't
trust if I'm a general manager, if I'm a I
don't know if I can trust these two. As electrifying
as both are, both put people in the seats, and
(41:22):
they are a higher light reel in the making, but
they're also one play away from being out three to
four weeks or even the season. I cannot trust that.
But having said all that, if I can get them
to April May and possibly June, I like my chancers too.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
Steph Curry is a free agent, a shoe free agent.
Here looks like the Jordan brand is gonna scoop him
up purely. Did you ever wear a bad shoe, like
a shoe that was uncomfortable but you had an endorsement deal.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
No. When I first came into the league, do you
remember the shoe Spot Built? Yeah. I was with Spot
Builts my first two years and they were one of
the most comfortable shoes. And then I jumped over to
Nike and I was with Nike the rest of my career.
Especially for basketball players, if you're wearing an uncomfortable shoe,
(42:23):
you're going to have foot problems for the rest of
your career. So it doesn't matter the model or the
name brand. You've got to make sure your jimmies are
comfortable because if not, you're gonna have ankle injuries. Planet
or fasciai Idis, which I was with Nike most of
my career, and I have Planner Fascia Idis. So it
(42:46):
doesn't matter if you're Adidas, Nike, Puma, or whatever. You've
got to find comfortable shoes. And it doesn't matter because
Planet Fasciatus, are you rolling your ankle? It doesn't matter
the brand, it's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Could you have worn Air Jordan if you wanted to?
Speaker 4 (43:01):
I did later in my career, my last two or
three years. I wasn't technically a Jordan athlete because him
Jay never endorsed me technically. A lot of times I
was wearing them, especially when he was at his height.
I wore Jordan's just to piss him off. Because no
(43:23):
one was supposed to be wearing Jordan brands other than
Michael Jordan or his teammates like Ron Harper or Pimp
at times, so other players weren't supposed to technically wear Jordan's,
but I would wear them just so he only when
I played him, just to tick them off.
Speaker 5 (43:44):
Wait, the only time you wore air Jordan's was when
you well, I mean I wore.
Speaker 4 (43:48):
Him at other games after, like once he went to
the Wizards. That's when I was more of a Jordan
brand type player. But when he was with the Bulls,
you weren't supposed to really wear them, but I did
occasionally wear them just to rub him a little bit
the wrong way.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
We're talking to Reggie Miller and be on the call
tonight Jamal Crawford and Noah Eagle. Yes, so it's Spurs
gridgly with.
Speaker 4 (44:16):
No Victor Winbin Yama and no Ja mort But we
are going to work this game. Baby.
Speaker 5 (44:24):
Give me the feel good story so far this season?
Speaker 4 (44:30):
How about I believe it's ten in a row now
for the Detroit Pistons leading the Central Division and just
reading everything listening to the postseason comments, they were embarrassed
and highly upset in that New York Knicks series last year.
(44:51):
They felt that they left two or three games on
the table, and I wanted to see how they would respond.
How would that summer, go are you and use that
as motivating fuel and come back bigger, stronger, faster. They
got off to a slow start, and now they've reeled
off ten straight. Very good, feel good story. I think
(45:12):
the whole Luca questioning his character, his fitness, He goes
over to your old basket. He plays great, he gets
in shape. No Lebron James to start the season, and
the Lakers are what nine, four, ten and four. That's
a feel good story. Now you've got arguably the best
(45:34):
player of his generation coming back within the next week
or two. I can't believe you know all eyes are
always on the Lakers, but they are. They're somewhat of
a feel good story. Luca's out for a little bit.
Austin Reeves is like Jerry West and Pete Meravich all
wrapped into one for a few games. That's a feel
(45:55):
good story.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
But I wonder when Lebron comes back mm hm. In
areas of the tail end of his career, it's Lucas team,
Austin Reeves, DeAndre eight and it feels like there's been
a little bit of a rhythm. Now Lebron comes back.
Is it up to Lebron to react to the current
team or the current team to react to Lebron coming back.
Speaker 4 (46:19):
I believe it's up to Lebron, and you don't play
in this league for twenty two plus years like Lebron
has done and not be able to adapt. And he's
been over on the sideline since the beginning of the season.
He understands what they need and when to interject, and
(46:40):
you know, be Lebron, but he also knows when he
doesn't have the same skill set, even though at his
age he was a second team All NBA player just
a year ago. I think he will fit in where
he needs to, and I think it's up to him
to fit in as opposed to these guys changing their games.
(47:02):
But I mean, think about that, you're getting an All
NBA player back if you're JJ Reddick the Lakers. I
like where this is headed.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
I had a caller I don't know if it was
yesterday or the day before, and say, is Steph Curry
a top ten player of all time? And we've discussed this.
It feels like we put fifteen players into the top ten.
Whenever we have these lists. We don't take players out
because we know Lebron is going in. Is kd and
(47:33):
Steph going into the top ten all time modern basketball
in your opinion, and you.
Speaker 4 (47:46):
Can make a case for both of them because they're
both outliers and they both have changed the game. Obviously,
Steph in his shooting, we have never seen it that
before on this stage, just like we never saw a
guy walk on air like Air Jordan. We never saw
a six or nine point guard like Magic Johnson. On
(48:09):
KT's point, I mean he's seven foot even though he
won't claim that, and to be able to shoot and
score are the top ten? I would probably put Steph
in the top ten before KD.
Speaker 5 (48:25):
But who do you take out of your top ten?
Speaker 4 (48:27):
Man? I mean, that's difficult, That's it's difficult. I mean
we'd have to go over the ten first.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Okay, are we going to include Wilt and Bill Russell?
And if that's the case, then are you including Oscar
and Jerry West?
Speaker 4 (48:49):
Like I don't know, if I don't know, I don't
know if those four would be in my top ten.
Certainly Bill's the obviously the winningness. But we're talking about
in terms of talent, and this is a longer discussion.
(49:09):
Let's get to this next week.
Speaker 5 (49:11):
But do you think Steph is okay.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
You're gonna have Joker, You're gonna have Giannis, You're gonna
have Luca, you got Steph, you got KD.
Speaker 4 (49:21):
Jeff Modern Day. You mean, are we gonna have all
these guys in the top ten.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
I think they'll be a make There'll be a case
for Joker in the top ten. They'll be a case
for Luca in the top ten, Steph in the top ten,
KD in the top ten?
Speaker 4 (49:36):
I mean, so, are you taking out Magic? Are you
taking out Larry Bird? Are you taking out Kareem? I mean,
I can't take those players out. You're not taking out
Eric Jordan. So I just named five right there? Are
you talking Hakeem Elijah? Now you're talking about is Hakeem
on his way out? I mean that's hard.
Speaker 5 (49:56):
To do, I know, but I got Are you taking out? No?
Speaker 4 (50:01):
I can't take out.
Speaker 5 (50:02):
Are you taking out Kobe?
Speaker 4 (50:05):
Are you taking out Tim Duncan?
Speaker 2 (50:06):
Yes, yes, I would put Steph in over Tim Duncan.
Speaker 4 (50:17):
I cannot do that. I cannot. I will say this,
I cannot take out someone who is the best at
their position over Stephan Curry, who's.
Speaker 5 (50:30):
The naiter shooter of all time?
Speaker 4 (50:33):
What position is the greatest power forward of all time.
Speaker 5 (50:37):
Steph Curry changed basketball.
Speaker 4 (50:39):
I agree. I said that, Wow, five chips versus four
chips because you got to count those two. How many
MVPs for Tim Duncan two or three?
Speaker 5 (50:53):
Two and two for Curry back to back?
Speaker 4 (50:58):
Two?
Speaker 5 (51:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (51:00):
Would you take Kad over Tim Duncan?
Speaker 4 (51:05):
No?
Speaker 2 (51:06):
Okay, no, would you take Joker.
Speaker 4 (51:11):
Over Tim Duncan?
Speaker 12 (51:14):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (51:14):
The only thing missing from the Joker is another championship.
Once he gets the two championships, then we can have
this discussion right now. No, okay, yeah, he has the
MVPs and he'll have the stats. The only thing missing
from the Joker's resumes are.
Speaker 5 (51:30):
Chips because I have to put burden magic together. Yeah, okay,
they take one one? Yes, okay?
Speaker 4 (51:37):
Yeah, hey good that helps me out there. Good.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
Yeah, It's it's tough to break into that top ten
with it just feels like there's guys.
Speaker 4 (51:48):
So according So is a chem Elijah one out for you.
Speaker 5 (51:53):
Over Steph Curry?
Speaker 4 (51:56):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (51:56):
Yeah, and it.
Speaker 2 (51:59):
Came is one of my favorite players of all mine too,
mine too.
Speaker 4 (52:03):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (52:03):
But I got to be objective with this.
Speaker 2 (52:06):
It's tough to say that, like Carl Malone, I'm taking
Carl Malone out.
Speaker 4 (52:10):
It wouldn't be in my top ten. Okay, all right,
he wouldn't be in my top ten.
Speaker 5 (52:14):
Okay, would you say? What about Bill?
Speaker 4 (52:18):
Is Bill Russell? See Bill Russell wouldn't probably be in
my top ten or Will. I don't know if Will
would be in my top ten. Shaq would be at
my top ten.
Speaker 5 (52:25):
Okay. We'd have to go modern erab.
Speaker 4 (52:29):
So seventies and up.
Speaker 2 (52:31):
Yeah, okay, it'd be like seventy five to now because
but then you've got to decide with Oscar and Jerry
West and they may not make that list either.
Speaker 4 (52:40):
It wouldn't be in my top ten.
Speaker 5 (52:42):
All right until the next time.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
Right, I'll give you plenty plenty of time to do
some homework here. Rench will be on the Call to
Night with Noah Eagle and Jamal Crawford. It's the Spurs
and the Grizzlies and eight Eastern on NBC.
Speaker 5 (52:59):
Thank you, they.
Speaker 4 (53:01):
Don't love you. And of course my dad hat's always
on fire, always
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