January 8, 2025 • 54 mins
Talkin' Jake breaks down the Justin Verlander signing with San Francisco, the Gavin Lux trade to the Reds, where the Royals are at, and previewing both the college and NFL playoff games for this weekend!
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0:00 Intro
1:50 Verlander signs with Giants
11:50 A Lot of 1-Year Deals
13:05 Gavin Lux TRADED to Reds
26:25 I REALLY Like the Royals Roster
31:05 College Football Preview
36:10 Ohio State vs. Texas
41:40 NFL Wild Card Weekend Preview
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello and welcome Awaken Jake, myself, Jake Story, Ellie, David
Mendelssohn as we talk about the wide world of sports,
couple flyer, baseball moves and signings. Justin Verlander Inner Circle
Hall of Famer greesa Young's he is with your San
Francisco Giants as they round in to form their off
season talk about that. I did get a good chuckle.
(00:22):
I just I clicked on an article that was grading trades,
and it's funny how they landed on their answers.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
The Gavin Lux trade was bizarre.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I kind of want to see if I have more
thoughts on that. I'm not sure yet. Well, mention Michael Lorenzen,
I don't know. He's an arm that'll get used. We
will not talk about Drew Rasmus is extension.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Rules are rules.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Because there's also a football mecca of sorts, wild Card weekend,
the football semi finals. As we all get through the
next couple days. If you're a Cali person, I feel bad.
I don't want to say I was being goofy on
talking baseball. I was being a little goofy. I'm always
(01:07):
a little goofy. But the Fires are like you like,
remember Forever fires. I think one of our investor guys
his house is like, well, yeah, so scary. So if
you know anyone out out there, uh definitely you probably
checked in, But check in. It's a pretty wild and
(01:28):
if you're someone looking to get away for a little bit,
that's kind of more my lane. And that's what we'll
be doing here for a little bit. So uh, let's
hit the baseball high and tight, Cuz again it's it's
a legendary football wins this weekend unless Bragman signs. Justin
Verlander signs with the San Francisco Giants for one year
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fifteen million dollars. What I was laughing at seconds ago
I clicked on ESPN's I don't know. I just like
to do a peruse of ESPN and the Ethnic before
we get cruising, just to make sure I haven't missed anything.
And I was laughing because this is Bradford Doolittle and
David Schoenfield working together, Kelly Collabo, and they gave grades
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to the Giants, to Justin Verlander and the Tigers who
weren't involved in the transaction. They gave the Giants an A,
they gave Verlander a C and they gave the Tigers
an f which I didn't even know. I didn't even
know how connected we were. There a couple things. Let's
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check off some baseball layoff layups. No such thing as
a bad one year deal. I would counter that it's
a bad one year deal. That's kind of your answer.
And man, Justin Verlander, who's got one of the prettier
baseball references you will find for a picture. He's coming
off his worst season. It is interesting thing he got
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an injury. Before that injury, he was pitching pretty decently.
So if he comes in healthy, I think you can
expect him to kind of be the mid to low
threes era pitcher he's been the past couple of years.
Could changing leagues help him? Could San Francisco's ballpark help
him in some of their defense?
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Maybe?
Speaker 1 (03:21):
I think it's mostly gonna come down to if the
forty two year old on February twentieth, how healthy is that?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Being said?
Speaker 1 (03:31):
The one year contract thing for a pitcher that could
be Justin Verlander. I think you like it, even if
it's just the old bulls at spring training and we
get stories about Logan Webb learned this from Justin Verlander.
And Keaton win added some zip to his fastball from Verlander.
(03:53):
Not exactly how it works. I mean, you get one
of the most experienced pitchers all time, one of the
best pitchers of the last two years.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I was just laughing.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I saw I think it was dr Who a post
of all the leaders since in the two thousands. It's
an interesting way to look at things.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Pool hosts has a lot Juan Pierre is.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Your steels king in the two thousands, and then it's like,
sure's er Verlander.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
There's a couple other oddballs in there. That was fun.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Mike trout ops people forget about him if they can
tap into something from Justin Verlander. Hell, even twenty twenty three,
he was twenty seven starts with a three to two two.
He was actually a little slightly worse in Houston Mets.
Justin Verlander was sixteen starts to a three to one five.
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And I remember that whole thing being like it didn't
feel clean, like it didn't like right.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Just felt like like nothing.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Right, Like it didn't feel like Verlander was doing good.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
And he missed time to an injury while with the Mets.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
So he's a year removed.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
So from twenty seven starts, one hundred and sixty two innings,
a three.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
To two two era.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
So if you get that for one year, fifteen million. Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Last year more recently, landed at seventeen starts, a five
four eight, ninety innings pitched. You know, some of the
numbers down. Again, he was good to start, got hurt
and it came down. No jokes to be made here.
His high school is Goochland High School in Virginia, so
old dominion, same as Benny Pascentino, I believe, I believe so.
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And you know one of the great games he always
play is what are what are you asking for Justin Verlander?
If the San Francisco Giants are asking Justin Verlander to
be there too next year, I'd be a little concerned
technically and again I think this could get shimmied and shook.
They have him slotted in the back end of their rotation.
They have Logan Webb as stable as a pitcher.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
As you can get.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Robbie Ray who only had seven starts last year, but
again he should be more built up and be more
than those seven starts at least. Jordan Hicks, who made
twenty starts last year one oh nine innings pitched. Hopefully
he can jump up to maybe like the one thirty
range Kyle Harrison, the young lefty was kind of hunting
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hunting in a lot of his starts. He either had
it or he did it. And then justin Verlander. And
so you have some depth pieces between trist and Beck,
Heat and Win as I mentioned Hayden, show me your
bird song Land and Roupe that. Yeah, hey, there could
be BBD. I'll ask you a question, if you don't mind, please,
(06:43):
Who was the biggest piece the Yankees traded to get
Juan Soto former Yankee Michael King? Where did Michael King
learn his.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Curveball from Corey Klueber, So Corey klueber.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Brief stint with the Yanks, there there can be ripple
effects of bringing an all time great pitcher that. I
hope Giants fans are telling those stories in a couple
of years or even this year, and they might get
something out of him. So you have to if you're
a Giants fan, like the a in the article said,
I really like this for him. I wonder what else
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of a market was for them. Apparently the Tigers got
an f out of this one. If he was willing
to sign there. The other thing with him insures there
what do they want to do? Justin Verlander has made
four hundred million dollars playing baseball. He was gonna go
wherever he wanted. If someone offered him fourteen mil. I
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think he would have been fine with that to go
to another team. He apparently is kind into San Francisco.
Is there a Buster Posey effect? Haven't seen that article yet.
Does he believe in what's going on? Does he like
pitching at a pitcher's ballpark?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
You know? Could that help him out? We will see.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
The NL West is becoming daunting and the San Diego
story continues to feel like it's getting sad, although they
still have a lot of talent on that roster. But
the Giants and d Backs are continuing to kind of
build their teams out. The NL West is going to
be a blood bath of sorts. And you have to think,
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you know, of the Padres, Diamonbacks, and Giants, one of
those teams is gonna have a tough year next year.
And I don't know who it is. I I'd have
to see everything on paper. You'd still think the Padres
are going to do something because they have been silent.
Maybe not because they're suing each other for ownership of
the team. The Padres won ninety three games last year
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and we're up two to one on the Dodgers and
we're like on path to win the World Series. So
I know they've lost pieces, and it's it's really hard
to compare the Padres and the Giants right now. The
Giants lost Snell and CONFORDO, okay, significant, They've added Willia
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Domash and they've now added Justin Verlander. That hey, that
Snell loss is significant. I mean I think it's eleven
starts down the stretch. They were incredible, and he goes
over to the Dodgers Junghu Lee will be back, So
that's something that helps them. This is always my thing
with the Giants. It feels like they've got room for
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one more hitter, and it's are they willing to do that?
Because right now their bench is a little thin. Their
DH is listed.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
As Wilmer Flores.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
So could they be in the business of anyone whether
you want to go medium and do a JD. Martinez
a flyer on someone or JAD turned them down last.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Year right because.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Him so maybe a bad example there. Maybe he still
doesn't you know. Santan Dare's still out there for a
couple of teams again, if you're looking for a So
if the Giants get themselves another hitter, I think I
could actually talk myself into it. We will see if
they do that, because they don't necessarily need to. They've
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got a lot of talented guys. Ramos had a really
good rookie year, Fitzgerald did two, but nobody knows what
to do with that and that sample size. Matt Chapman
locked up, Lamont Wade only gets on base, and Willie
Thomas was a big signing one hundred eighty something mill
So they could, in theory be done. I would like
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to see them add one more hitter. And Yeah, here's
what I'll say about the Giants coming into the past
few seasons. We've said the same things, and this team
isn't that far away from those same things I would say,
But it feels a little more entertaining. Willie Domas Matt
Chapman was good for them. Justin Verlander starts, Logan Webb
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healthy for like a full year. Uh, They've got a
rotation that each guy has upside. It's just what's gonna
click and what's not gonna click in a year And
with that tough division and hopefully some bounce back in
their bullpen, they can be a tough team. But I
still think when you look at that Giants lineup on
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paper compared to a lot of the plus lineups around
the league, it's a little daunting.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
God.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
I kind of want to check out this art why
they gave the Tigers because that was my pick when
we did we did the free agency draft, I was like,
go back to Detroit, do this all again. So I'm
just wondering if they had any rumors or anything, or
if they're just like, couldn't, Yeah, couldn't the Tigers at
least offer this?
Speaker 2 (11:42):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
I think another fun game Beaverton and let me know
if I'm missing anyone.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
There's been.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
At least three old starting pitchers that have signed one
year fifteen mil, oh, I think, So let me see,
we've got Charlie Morton just happened to Baltimore, Justin Verlander
to the San Francisco Giants, Alex Cobp to Detroit. So
maybe that's what my article friends were being not happy
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about Sugano's thirteen mil for Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Let's see what that is.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Boyd is fourteen to five for two years, so that's
really uh yeah, that's a that's something. Max Schures are
still out there, by the way.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
It's gonna be funny to look at that handful of
guys that you could have had for the same price
at the end of the year, because I bet two.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Of them are good.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I bet two of them aren't welcome to baseball, welcome
to analytics.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
So that's that, and it's exciting.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
He's still justin Verlander, famous wife, all time pitcher, could
be good. I'm about it. That's fun baseball stuff. The
one I don't really know where to lead you guys.
My Cincinnati Reds have thrown a wrench in the equation
as Gavin Lux gets traded to the Reds after they
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traded Jonathan India and everyone was like, oh, they finally
finally cleared up that infield Gavin Lux is in town.
They traded two prospects for him, well, one prospect and
a draft pick. I did think it was funny and
this is just dumb Jake stuff. But Mike Saroda is
the outfield prospect Northeast guy By the way, the Dodgers
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drafted him out of high school and he said no,
got drafted by the Reds and I think the third round.
Still hasn't played pro ball. I don't know if he
was injured or something. Oh, I don't know what that is.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
But then the.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Dodgers traded for him. So how bad did the Dodgers
want Mike Saroda? You know? And if I'm Mike Saroda,
that's a good thing. I got drafted for turned them down,
and then they traded for me.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
They won them.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
I'm interested to see the follow up on Mike Siroda
and that competitive balance pick. But most importantly we know
Gavin Lux, who got traded a two time World Series champ,
Gavin Lux.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
That's a pretty big flex.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Coming off a two war season with a massive second half,
A pretty I can say it was a bad first half.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
But it's pretty easy to talk yourself into like miss
the previous year, acl get literally getting his legs under him,
and literally got under him.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Uh in the second half, sixty one games, three to
zero four batting average, a three ninety one on base
a five O eight slug so he almost three four
five for sixty one games to bring the season home.
That being said, seventy eight games in the first half,
two thirteen, batting average two sixty seven, on base five
sixty two. BBD mentioned the injuries. Also the whole shortstop
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who's playing where? Like that was a little messy. I
know in our heads that doesn't matter, like set the lineup,
go hit, play defense. I've seen shortstop mess with a
lot of players heads by this point.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
And I guess at twenty seven he it's somewhat of
a full like all right, you don't face lefties anymore,
like a little bit.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah, that's tough.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
It's made there because that's also a little Dodger syndrome m.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Hm, like same thing happened to Jock way back when.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Right, And it's it's opportunity based and at a certain
point you're a certain age that I wonder if that's
what the Reds are thinking. We'll get to that in
a second. What do we have Gavin Lux getting paid
this year?
Speaker 4 (15:52):
I believe, and I think around this time tomorrow we
will have like some official numbers on some year guys,
but the estimates are under three million dollars.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
I was gonna say, because he made one point two
last year, so and it kind of makes sense like
he never had the gangbuster year.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
That really multiplies. Yeah, and and losing a full season
to an injury.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Right, so the two data points we do have a
twenty four year old Gavin Lux had a three war
season and one hundred and twenty nine games, two seventy
six three forty six forty five ops. And last year
I told you, I mean they ended up nearly even.
But that big second half can make you dream upon
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if you're trading for Gavin Lux two years of hopefully
pushing eight hundred ops type production. He hasn't done it yet,
so you don't want to put that out there too much.
And changing divisions, you're seeing less similar pitchers, and if
you believe in lineup support and all that stuff, Dodgers
to the Reds. But the Reds play in one of
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the best hitters parks that I think you can dream
on Gavin Lux being in his prime, hopefully being recovered
from a leg injury, being a pretty decent contributor. But
where Because are Reds, who we applauded for getting Brady
Singer for Jonathan India, They currently have Ellie de la
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Cruz at shortstop.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Let's lock that in Janiel. It's the reference for BBD
and a couple other people. What show was that?
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Uh Anti Donna's biggle has some fun. So some people
are gonna be really into that drop, and some people
are like, why have you wasted twenty more seconds on this?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
We'll like that joke.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
That's why you do it, and that's why you're subscribing
right now, almost twenty five k. Thanks everyone, Thanks. I'm
gonna lock in Ellie de la Cruz at shortstop. I
think I'm gonna lock in Matt McClain at second unless
he's a piece of trade meat. That will circle back
on a second. But if let's do this, if they
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are on the reds Ellie's at short Matt McClain at second,
that's kind of the end of the conversation there is it?
Because I just remember Gavin Lux is where this whole
conversation is around. Then we have Christian and Carnassio and Strand,
who's kind of a first baseman fencer Steer I'll throw
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in here. He plays everywhere. They have him currently listed
as the left fielder Gavin Lux, jam Or Candelario, And
this is gonna be a bad reference because it's not
referencing anything.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
So I don't know why I teed it up like this.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
If Santiago Espinal is on your team, he's gonna play.
It's just a developing theory. It's kind of the IKF effect,
Like they're versatile enough and they're not bad enough, but
if they're on your team, they're going to play eighty
one games minimum. How many to play? Last year, let
me walk all over myself.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
There inter n anyone played appearances.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
D eighteen games.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
So the past four years, Santiago Espinal has played ninety
two plus games. He plays solid defense, he plays positions,
and he has like a slappy bat. Wow, his numbers
are so like KF two sixty six, three, twenty one
six eighty five ops. WHOA, I might have to put
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out a that's gonna be mean. I was gonna say,
I need to put a warning to teams if you
have this guy on your team, they're gonna play a lot,
which I don't know if that's good. I don't know
if that's good. Anyways, Sorry for the Santiago Espinal slander.
That is, before mentioning the guy that was supposed to
be like the future of the Reds noelvi Marte. He
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was the big piece they got for Luis Castillo, kind
of a I don't want to say super prospect, but
of sorts got was good pot for pds. Came back midseason,
was not good. But you have to think they're not
over him after you know a limp two hundred and
forty two bad played appearances at the end of last season.
That he has to be very much in the mix.
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I didn't mention, but this should be tied in Will Benson,
who played a lot for them last year. The numbers
weren't off the charts, but fourteen homers, sixteen stolen bases,
he's twenty six, Like that's a baseball player. So the
Cincinnati Reds are back to having a lot of position players,
which that's a good thing. I think what's scary to
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me is after Ellie d la Cruz, who hit twenty
five homers last year, I believe and has a chance
to fully break out and kind of have. I mean,
he kind of did break out. He had five war
last year, but I mean we could be talking about
if his numbers pick up across the board, you're talking
about seven, eight, nine war type of guy. So let's
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see what happens with Ellie. I mean BBD. If you
had to place a bet on not a draft, but
double who's going to have the second most home runs
on the Cincinnati Reds next year?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
You would pick god right, Chake Frayley.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
So for a team that I just mentioned has a
lot of depth, and we've we've got not Jake Fraley,
we've got six infielders, six outfielders, you can't lock in
another guy for twenty homers twenty which in today's baseball.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Like twenties.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
If you're an average power hitter playing a full seed
every day, you're hitting twenty homers.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
I think freedom. So I was trying to say for
the Reds people.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Yelling they have one of the best hitters parks in baseball,
so maybe that can be your spin zone that you're
gonna get plus production from one of these guys. For me,
the scent is this should be a move that leads
to another move. I like Gavin lux as a ballplayer.
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Like I said, he could get two years at three
million and six million, where he gives you two three
war seasons.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
That's that's a massive win.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
And maybe the Reds are just thinking, hey, last year
we had a lot. It always felt like we had
two or three holes, and it just never felt cohesive.
That maybe if we have this extra depth and Jamer
has another bad year or one of the young guys
has a down year, somebody gets hurt, that we can
plug them and hopefully the wheel keeps on turning. I'm
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okay with that thought process, but it feels a step off,
and I wonder if there's a trade for a hitter.
I wonder if they do they have the money to
sign for a hitter. My knee jerk reaction was like
a Dylan Cease trade to have, like an actual like
whoa the Cincinnati Reds pitch? Because I who have been
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brainwashed by myself into becoming a Cincinnati Reds fan because
I liked all their young hitters so much. Funny how
much a year can change things. I like their pitching
more than their hitting. Hunter Green breakout happened. I keep
reminding people this twenty six starts at two seven five
Brady Singer, wherever you stand on them, he had a
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solid year last year, three seven to one, Andrew Rabbit
three seven to two, Nick Martinez qualifying offer three to
one Era last year Nick Lidolo had two point one
war shut up Jake a talented young pitcher, and that
is before we get to Rhet Louder, who was a
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top pick who U thirty innings from Rhet Louder last
year a one to one seven ERA.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
And they have a couple other young arms they like.
So in theory, the Cincinnati Reds.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Could be done.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
They have some rod rotation depth. I don't hate their bullpen.
They got some lefties and righties with Alexis Diaz on
the back end, and it's like, okay, so maybe they
just want depth in their lineup. Terry Francona is the
manager you may have forgotten, and he's just gonna press
all the right buttons and go. Since he go, I'd
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like to think there's another move, and I think it
could be for a pitcher, And if it's Dylan Ceese
for one or two young players, I think that's a win.
Looking at Dylan Ceese, Hunter Green, and then if singer Abbott, Martinez,
Ludola one of them clicks, you have like a good
rotation in Cincinnati, which I feel like we haven't said
that was anyone else with Bauer was on that Reds team.
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Was Sonny there?
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Sonny was there, Luis Castile was there. I don't know
how broken out he was, but.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Talent definitely that twenty twenty Reds team.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
I gotta tell Jolly to do that as a video Yeah,
Man Bauer, Castillo, Gray Tyler, Molly d Scalfani and Wade Miley. Okay,
easy on that those four all had legit. Bris l Iglesias,
Michael Lorenzen, tj and Tone Archie, Bradley Brooks.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Really what Jesse Biddle? What year is this? Are there
two Jesse Biddles?
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Pedro Strope on the team?
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Wasn't there a Rocky Biddle was the old Expos reliever
and he got rocked? Why do I know his name?
Minus three point two career war Anyways, I'd like to
think there's another move for the Reds going. I'd like
to think it's in any direction. If this was a
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video game and the Reds had a little bit of money,
could you just somehow, could you somehow get Dylan Ceese
and then signed Pete Santander or something, then like you'd
look at the Reds and be like, wait, is this
a good team? Because the other thing that happened earlier,
I was on the Reds and I was giving myself
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my normal Reds hype speech. Here we go, let's go Reds.
I clicked over to the Royals and I like the
Royals roster better than the Reds, and I think it's
on like every front, Like I believe in the Royal
star a little more. Bobby wit Junior, he showed that
last year, like even India Wit Pascuentino Salve. Maybe I'm
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a little too biased to Michael Massey, but I like
what's going on up there. You could argue the Reds
have better depth, sure, but kind of the star in
the meat of the lineup.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I like that more for.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Case Reagan's Lugo waka now Lorenzen. And then however they
want to finish it boo bitch march Well Kyle Wright
ever return. I don't know any young pitchers I know,
not really, but also the bullpen man Ursig, Harvey Schreiber,
and then they've got all those lefty Zerpa Lynch Long
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Christrattan that it's kind of like, Okay, the Royals. Where
do I officially land on the Royals. They made the
playoffs last year. The team has some juice, they have
a star. It was an eighty six win team. Do
I think they necessarily got better?
Speaker 2 (27:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
I think that kind of depends on India Pasquentino, Salvi,
Michael Massey breakout alert. I kind of like the Royals
more than the Reds, which I gotta be honest. For
the Reds, that's a bad sign.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
M hm.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Like. I hope the Royals run it back next year.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
But the Royals, they were second in starting pitching era.
It's really good. The Reds last year.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Oh my god, I accidentally just clicked on a booze ad.
How do I get out of here?
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Is this?
Speaker 3 (28:07):
What is this? Reggie?
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Is that whiskey? They got me? Well done? Now I'm
buying it. I'm drinking it.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
My Cincinnati Reds that I continue to try to talk
myself into in a weak division. They won seventy seven
games last year, twenty first and o PS sixteenth and
starting pitching the ra eighteenth. And give me a little
bit of an identity somewhere, and maybe a Trevino helped
steal some pitches for them and that can help their
pitching staff. I'd like if they could give me one
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more move in either direction. I can dream better, like.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
A new.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Doesn't necessarily have to be best, but a new most
reliable hitter or pitcher.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Something with it with a big ceiling.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
I would love a.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Hitter that looks like twenty five plus homers ideally thirty
today's baseball. Or I'd love a starting pitcher that I
could look at and say, well, you're gonna hopefully get
thirty starts at a three five era. And I guess
the part that surprised me when I originally did this,
because again knee jerk reaction posted on social media. I
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was like Dylan Cees like Reds, that's an identity pitch
a little bit. I kind of now believe in the
reds pitching upside more than their hitting that.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Hopefully I'm missing something. The Reds have great American ballpark.
Maybe that's where my head is at, Like, go get
Dylan Ceese and you'll figure out hitting.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
But Reds.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
I need one more move to make sense of it. Meanwhile,
watch out for whatever Mike Sirota and whoever the Dodgers
pick with that pick. That's a little bit of the
baseball update for now. We will see again whatever shoe
drops next. There's been no real santandar rumors. Pete's kind
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of in a bad spot. It feels like Bragman. It
still feels like he's in a good spot.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Ultimately seem like Bragman's like going land where he won it.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
There's a lot of teams you can be like Bregman, Bergman,
Red Sox, Mats, Nats. I have to feel like our team.
Everyone wants the Tigers that we've done Pete, that whole
first base wheel happened, carousel.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
I'm sorry to think he's gonna fall more into like
a Cody Bellinger Matt Chapman three year with opt out,
so if you have a forty homer year in the
next two years, you'll get another big deal.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
It's entered a weird spot with Pete, and I didn't
think it would. I thought a team would would talk
themselves into that. Rats, Diamondbacks. Who's gonna come out of
the woodwork for Pete?
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Yankees? No, No kombucha girl give again for a couple people.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Let's talk a little football, because I told you this
is kind of the big one college football. If you're
not into it, I think this should be your weekend.
We are down to well, oh god, I was going
to say I was going to make a joke about
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one of the bad Bowl games it had South Alabama
Western Michigan, but that was December fourteenth, So if you're
looking forward to that game, it's not happening. No, there
are three college football games left. Notre Dame at Penn State. Okay,
some traditional northern colleges mixing it up. The Golden Domers
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have become i don't know, kind of yankee ish, right,
like Notre Dame used to be college football's brand.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
They haven't really won the big one in a while.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
People said last week against Georgia was the biggest game
they won in a long time. They play a fun
brand of football. They want to run the ball. They've
got a veteran quarterback, Riley Leonard, who's going to make plays.
Not a ton through the air last week, but they
didn't need a ton through the air. But their run
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game is really fun. Love and Price normally doing a
lot of work, although Riley Leonard did a lot of
the work last week as they beat a Georgia team
with basically just a good end to the half. Penn
State had been kind of one of they'd been a
punching bag of college football for a little bit because
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another program that kind of landed Top ten. They won
every game they were supposed to win. They lost every
game they were supposed to lose. So it's kind of like, well,
what are you? You're clearly not the elite, you're not bad,
but how do we treat you? They beat SMU and
Boise State, so even read that off makes me a
little timid. But they won both those games dominantly, which
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which you like to see. They do have one of
the best quarterbacks remaining in this whole dance. Drew Aller
has elevated his stock. He had three touchdown passes against
Boise no interceptions. Allen and Singleton are there to go
to running backs. Singleton's a beast and it's funny Alan
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actually outplayed him last game against Boise. And if you're
in the NFL world and you're just waiting to get
to the next part of this conversation, they have a
tight end Tyler Warren, who is just massive. There has
been a couple of times they just give him the
ball in the backfield because he's that good that it's
just like, hey, figure it.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Out, dude, we don't know how to get you the
ball right now.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
So go.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Two touchdowns receiving against both Boise State and just you know,
some college players look different on the field.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Is one of them.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
That'll be fun to see him on that stage. And
I'd have to assume he's gonna be a first round
pick and he is just massive. I think there's gonna
be grant comparisons come to draft and if he has
a big game, watch out.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
That.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
That's gonna be fun to see those two teams. One
of them is going back to the national championship. Notre
Dame did that a few years ago, but they got
absolutely rolled by Alabama. Like they just didn't have a
chance at that. It was like Alabama's peak and it
was like Notre Dame wiggled in and it was a
bad time. This will be a fun game. Notre Dame
is the favorite. I was just talking myself by a
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point and a half, so it's pretty tight. I was
just telling myself, like, oh, Penn State, they've got a quarterback.
Notre Dame hasn't seen that. But Notre Dame just be
Georgia who they've got, you know, Georgia compared to Boise State,
and SMU is a different product on each line that
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this game is being played tomorrow night, So again I
mentioned this as an explosive football weekend tomorrow night at
the Orange Bowl fighting Irish Nitney Lions gone to my head?
Why does he always do that? I guess I like
Notre Dame. They just took out Georgia. They're feeling good
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about themselves. They kind of know who they are. They've
got a good storyline. I like their head coach a
little more than Penn State's head coach.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
And I don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
The Notre Dame story is cool, like they lost to
Northern Illinois and everyone was ready to fire their coach
and Notre Dame's a joke and here we go and
they have responded from that as good as a team can.
So I guess I like that story a little more.
James Franklin left my Vanderbilt, so some wounds.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Just never heal.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
But that should be a fun one now on Friday,
maybe because we've got a snowstorm in Dallas. Watch out
supposed to get a half a foot and they don't
know what to do with snow down there. Ohio State,
the Ohio State the heavy favorites to win this whole dance.
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How quickly we've moved on from Ryan Day not beating
Michigan over the past four years, they are the favorites.
They are playing Texas, the Texas Longhorns, who their two
losses this year are to Georgia in a couple of
close games, or at least the second one was. So
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we'll see if there's any Texas in Texas effect. They're
playing at Jerry's World. You'd like to think there's gonna
be more burnt Orange in the crowd. I'll tell you this.
Dallas is a commuter city, is at the transplant city
that there's already a lot of Ohio folk there, and
it's a fan base that travels that. I don't think
we're looking at something odd here, a team that wouldn't
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travel unless flights from Ohio get canceled.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
We'll see about that. Texas.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
I'm interested to see are they gonna mix anything up.
They ended up letting Clemson into the game a little bit.
In their first game, Arizona State almost pulled out a
miracle against them, and their defense that is supposed to
be their strength continues to just have kind of these
weird moments of what is going on here? Yours statline
ends up looking good last game, people were wondering has
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he been playing hurt through the season because he had
some moments of just bizarre kind of output on their end.
And meanwhile, Ohio State I talked about Notre Dame looking
in the mirror after losing to Northern Illinois and kind
of doing you what are we doing, and how it's
a great bounce backstory. Ohio State's looking to write an
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even better one. Ryan Day looking like he's on.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
The chop block.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Into four years not beating Michigan, and this Michigan team
was not a Michigan team that if they slipped up
against Tennessee in a cold weather game, if they lost
to Oregon, the undefeated number one team that they had
lost to, Ryan Day could have been in a weird spot.
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And I don't know if he'd be the coach of
Ohio State. I think after they beat Tennessee how they did,
if the Oregon game was close, he would have been fine.
But a reminder, they jumped out in front of Oregon cataclysmically.
It's to Joe's McFly word that I try to mix
in I mean thirty four to nothing. I think that
word works there. That Ohio State has now become the favorite.
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It seems like they're clicking on all cylinders there. Wide
receivers cannot be stopped. Jeremiah Smith, the wide out freshman
wide receiver, he's drawn comps to Julio Jones, Andre Johnson,
like the best of the best wide receivers you know
that went through college football and just ripped it up.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
He's on that level.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
They have him in a book on the outside that
the secret is they've kind of been feeding those guys
the ball instead of focusing on the run, and nobody
can stop them, even though they have a great run
game with Henderson and Howard the quarterback chipping in where
he needs to. It's gonna be interesting to see if
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what kind of fight Texas has for them. It's a
five to five and a half point spread, which usually
that means they're indecisive and they're trying to get you
to take Texas because Ohio State and just how good
they have looked Ohio Texas might be the last line
of defense. Texas one of the favorites coming into this season,
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and they've shown moments of really high play between their quarterback,
their running back, their defense, and can they get a
Texas boost or even Ohio State hasn't seen something go
the wrong direction in a while, they haven't seen a
pick six, they haven't seen a bad fumble. Can they
get something early that shows like, hey, this is an
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equal playing field, because right now they are rolling. I'll
be honest, it's tough to bet against Ohio State right
now with how good they do look. But tune into
if you're a sports person, these are gonna be two
fun ones to tune into. And by the way, your
college football bracket, which we've talked about a little bit
and we'll talk about more, how we need to make
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some changes and adjustments. The current seeds left are five, six, seven,
and eight, So again how the bracket got built. In
previous years, it would have been a different one through four,
like a couple of these teams would have been in here.
But this year, this is where we're at, and I
think the product has gotten to a good spot. With
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that Arizona State eight Texas game that was just electric
last week, I guess we could use one more signature game.
But again, we are now at the point that the
playoffs started previously, so I think I think we're in
a good spot. So if college football is not your
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fancy m hm, the NFL will have what you're looking
for into the weekend. As it is wildcard weekend, the
NFL is rolling out one, two, three, four, five six
games starting Saturday ending on Monday. Saturday. It starts off
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Chargers Texans Harbaugh remember Michigan Harbaugh and the Chargers are
eleven and six. The turnaround happened, like he does everywhere
he goes, and they will head to Houston, who a
weird year for them, man ten and seven. No one
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else in their division finished above five hundred. The Colts
had a very culty year. Meanwhile, Jacksonville died and Tennessee
was bad enough to have the first pick in the draft.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
So what is Houston? CJ.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Stroud took a step back and was that the league
seeing him more? Was it the people having a target
on them. I'm trying to see what's my best What
is my best Texans win? They beat the Bills a
while ago, so that's kind of an easy one.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Since then, since then, the Texans best wins are the Patriots,
the Colts, the Cowboys, the Jaguars, the Dolphins, and the Titans.
They lost to the Ravens, the Chiefs, the titanss Lions, Jets, Packers.
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So a year that was filled with a lot of
excitement for Houston. They've been off the map since off
the map since early in the season. The Chargers in
Houston are three point favorites, and I think you could
tell by the way I was talking to myself. I
think I'm talking myself into that. Justin Herbert Man twenty
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three touchdowns, three interceptions. Pretty impressive what he's done the
lad mcconkee rookie season that he's put up. Yeah, I
guess I was interested to I thought the Texans at
home in a playoff game, you know, you think they'd
be at least pick them or one point favorites. No,
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the Chargers minus three, And I think I just talked
myself into more of that. The nightcap that you hope
has excitement. A nine and a half point spread makes
you a little nervous, and two teams that make you
nervous on both fronts. The Ravens at one point my
Super Bowl pick for this year. Man could Lamar use
a big playoff game to shake some of his Google
(44:05):
Google ougas against the Pittsburgh Steelers who Pittsburgh Steelers bellow
the ball, Mike Tomlin, how do they do it?
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Defense? In this guy.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
They've lost their last four Eagles, Ravens, Chiefs, Begals. It's
feeling different. It's feeling different for the Steelers who will
head to Baltimore. They played the Ravens twice this year.
They won the eighteen to sixteen Boswell Bowl six times
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three is at eighteen yep, they won that one. Then
at the Ravens they lost thirty four to seven, with
Baltimore opening it up late in that game. Baltimore is
a much better team the Steelers. It's how can they
score with the Ravens And I don't know if they
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can even on their bad day. Mark Andrew's fun stat
with him after the first six weeks of the year
with zero touchdowns, ended up leading the tight end position
in touchdowns. There's a lot of people that had regretful
fantasy trades, including my main league, I Caravell. Someone was
very sad. No name's mentioned Andrew, but there's a couple Andrews,
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so that.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
Leaves it vague, including in this conversation.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Right, So, yeah, it'd be cool if you get the
division and raven Steelers. We're hard hitting and maybe a
special team's play and Tomlin's got something up his sleeve.
I'll tell you what. If the Ravens somehow lose this game.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Watch out.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
The Lamar tone is gonna change bigger than you thought.
He has used up all of his playoff leash. His
playoff stats are pretty pretty not good. That yeah, this
is kind of the year. He might be winning another
MVP award. Everyone talks about now how his forty one touchdowns,
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four interceptions and how three of the four went off
wide receivers hands. It's a special, special year from Lamar,
who I think he has like a top five QBR
in a season ever and that doesn't include the running,
and he like passed VIC this year for what he
does on the ground. Should be Ravens, big rivalry division game.
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Sometimes that's when the funk comes out. Should be Ravens
by more than nine and a half sometimes Vegas knows though.
So that's your Saturday Slate, Sunday Broncos Bills.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
My Broncos made it to the dance. Can you believe it?
Speaker 1 (46:48):
The Broncos ten and seven bow Nicks. It seems like
they're getting better bow Knicks. Twenty nine touchdowns, twelve interceptions.
I mean, their last game against the Chiefs shouldn't really count,
although I heard Travis Kelsey was getting mad about that
they're going into Buffalo Josh Allen, who's competing with Lamar
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for the MVP. Buffalo one of the tougher places to
play in this league. A Cook kind of figured it
out with the run game this year. His final stats
over a thousand yard, sixteen touchdowns, a little guy that
wasn't supposed to be able to find the end zone
and just spreading the ball out to every receiver a
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little bit the same except for Courland Sutton on the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
Nice year.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
Cortland, people were leaving him undrafted.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
Bo Nicks.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
I get it to an eight and a half point spread.
I told everyone my dream, and dream is a very
dramatic word.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Actually it's kind of nice.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
My dream bet that I've never hit that I've wanted
to hit is in most games there's a bet halftime
full time that like, if you think the Bills are
gonna win this.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Game, you'd pick Bills.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
Bills and the odds are just slightly tougher because if
you think the Bills are gonna the Bills should lead
this game the whole way. There's usually tie and then
the winner, which those odds are crazy. And then my
dream bet you can bet one team to be leading
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at half and then the other team to win.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
That's my dream.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
I would love if my Broncos could execute that dream
that Sean Payton has a plan. Bow Nicks and the
boys come out and they put together a couple drives,
maybe they get the ball first field goal at the
half and they're up thirteen to ten, something like that.
I don't think they can win this game. I will
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be interested to see man bo Nicks in some of
these recent games. And the whole thing. Sean Payton said
he saw Drew Brees and this guy and they used
to just complete passes, and that's what they've been doing recently.
Twenty six for twenty nine against Kansas City, Okay, backups,
twenty four for thirty one against the Bengals, twenty nine
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for forty against the Chargers, and then it starts to
thin out a little bit. Uh. I hope the old
dog Champagne can win me over if there is a
sneaky on side kick in this game, I will be furious,
but maybe that's what they'll need to actually hang with
the Bills, who are playing for a Super Bowl year
this year. That is your one PM game at four
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point thirty Packers iggles.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
I want to have Justin pennickon.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
I think is as mom had a surgery or something.
I don't know if I'm supposed to be sharing that,
but he was spending time with her today, so we're
hoping to have him next week and best wishes.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
If that wasn't supposed to be revealed, I'm interested to see.
Pennick said.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
If the Eagles draw the Packers, that's a really bad
matchup for the e Eagles and there would be a
sweet Philly twist if they've gone on this run. They've
been incredible. Eagles, Eagles, Eagles, They've become my favorite Sirianni
God again. If they lose to the pack in Philly,
that burnt that building could burn down. That being said,
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Philly is still my super Bowl pick because I think
they've gotten back to running the ball and they're just
so dominant at Itaquan is crazy two thousand yards missing
the last game.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
Let's see what goes on with Hurts.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
He's been in concussion protocol. He practiced today. Eagles four
and a half. I'll bet it they'll win by three.
I'll be mad all around.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
Packers. What are you.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
Let's find out a lot of green Commander's Buccaneers your nightcap, Okay,
Baker and Jaden Daniels. Sure, Buccaneers have been fun all year,
and I wish that Chris Godwin injury never happened. The
Commanders have been fun all year. Twelve and five. It's
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in Tampa. Remember they were going on their three game
skid and they had one game before the bye week
to figure it out. Against the Titans. It was close
for or actually no, it was not close. They blew
them out early. Titans showed a little fight, they beat them.
Speaker 2 (51:23):
They won out.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
Titans, Saints, Eagles, remember that one. Falcons, Cowboys. Everything's close
with them. I love Jayden Daniels and I hope we
get some Jayden and Daniels magic. I love Baker and
Bucky Man. I'm surprised this is the Sunday night game.
Feels like Packers Eagles. It was a little more national juice.
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Tampa Bay is a three point favorite, and I think
that's right. Again, there's a lot of things you could
look back on this Washington season. Remember the Giants game
Week two that they should have lost, but the Giants
didn't have a kick. And there's you know, the Hail
Mary against the Bears, Like, oh god, Yeah, this this
Washington season could have felt a lot different at a
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couple different stops along the way. And hey, they have
some other things they can point back. The Steelers had
a crazy comeback against them one week. Sit back and
enjoy that breeze. What Baker has turned himself into in
this second act of his career has been a ton
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of fun. What Jaden Daniels is doing and how electric
that is is a ton of fun. Bucky Irving is electric,
and I hope they feed him the.
Speaker 3 (52:38):
Rock scene where his season numbers ended up.
Speaker 2 (52:42):
Yeah, Bucky crushed man.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
And he's still sharing time with like a couple backs
along the way, not only White, but they like their
other guy forty four.
Speaker 2 (52:51):
Nice. That's real football talk when you say their number.
Enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
Hopefully, if we get a Baker Jaden shootout, a couple
guys and that'll lead us into Monday Vikings rams, the
coaches are connected, Minnesota one point favorite in La as
scary LA. Let's see what's going on with that whole
city in a couple days. Remember the Vikings were playing
to get the one seed in a bye and now
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they're in LA and that city might be rallying around
everything and Matthew, Stafford and McVeigh could be scary hours.
And the last thing we saw from Darnold was he
was having a pretty bad time out there. Let's get
through the weekend and you'll hear from us before then.
Enjoy it, you guys know, I've enjoyed my relationship with football.
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Did I watch a little NBA the other night?
Speaker 2 (53:44):
I did.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
Who's I watching? Not the Nuggets game? Who's on before them? Lakers, Lakers, someone,
Lakers maths. A lot of guys missing, No Luca.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
No Kyrie.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
Yeah, hey, this is kind of the whole thing I
saw there doing another NBA is doing.
Speaker 2 (54:03):
A rivalry week coming up.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
Oh, anything to make people believe it matters because guys
aren't playing.
Speaker 2 (54:11):
I love it when the guys play. College basketball is
in a weird spot.
Speaker 1 (54:16):
Everyone's pooping on them nowadays because they're saying guys don't
know how to play basketball anymore. Maybe that's just on
the old side of the Internet. I now live on
with this jacket. Hey, enjoy the sports. Maybe we get
the baseball breaking news.
Speaker 2 (54:30):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
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I just I clicked on an article that was grading trades,
and it's funny how they landed on their answers.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
The Gavin Lux trade was bizarre.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I kind of want to see if I have more
thoughts on that. I'm not sure yet. Well, mention Michael Lorenzen,
I don't know. He's an arm that'll get used. We
will not talk about Drew Rasmus is extension.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Rules are rules.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Because there's also a football mecca of sorts, wild Card weekend,
the football semi finals. As we all get through the
next couple days. If you're a Cali person, I feel bad.
I don't want to say I was being goofy on
talking baseball. I was being a little goofy. I'm always
(01:07):
a little goofy. But the Fires are like you like,
remember Forever fires. I think one of our investor guys
his house is like, well, yeah, so scary. So if
you know anyone out out there, uh definitely you probably
checked in, But check in. It's a pretty wild and
(01:28):
if you're someone looking to get away for a little bit,
that's kind of more my lane. And that's what we'll
be doing here for a little bit. So uh, let's
hit the baseball high and tight, Cuz again it's it's
a legendary football wins this weekend unless Bragman signs. Justin
Verlander signs with the San Francisco Giants for one year
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fifteen million dollars. What I was laughing at seconds ago
I clicked on ESPN's I don't know. I just like
to do a peruse of ESPN and the Ethnic before
we get cruising, just to make sure I haven't missed anything.
And I was laughing because this is Bradford Doolittle and
David Schoenfield working together, Kelly Collabo, and they gave grades
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to the Giants, to Justin Verlander and the Tigers who
weren't involved in the transaction. They gave the Giants an A,
they gave Verlander a C and they gave the Tigers
an f which I didn't even know. I didn't even
know how connected we were. There a couple things. Let's
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check off some baseball layoff layups. No such thing as
a bad one year deal. I would counter that it's
a bad one year deal. That's kind of your answer.
And man, Justin Verlander, who's got one of the prettier
baseball references you will find for a picture. He's coming
off his worst season. It is interesting thing he got
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an injury. Before that injury, he was pitching pretty decently.
So if he comes in healthy, I think you can
expect him to kind of be the mid to low
threes era pitcher he's been the past couple of years.
Could changing leagues help him? Could San Francisco's ballpark help
him in some of their defense?
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Maybe?
Speaker 1 (03:21):
I think it's mostly gonna come down to if the
forty two year old on February twentieth, how healthy is that?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Being said?
Speaker 1 (03:31):
The one year contract thing for a pitcher that could
be Justin Verlander. I think you like it, even if
it's just the old bulls at spring training and we
get stories about Logan Webb learned this from Justin Verlander.
And Keaton win added some zip to his fastball from Verlander.
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Not exactly how it works. I mean, you get one
of the most experienced pitchers all time, one of the
best pitchers of the last two years.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I was just laughing.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I saw I think it was dr Who a post
of all the leaders since in the two thousands. It's
an interesting way to look at things.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Pool hosts has a lot Juan Pierre is.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Your steels king in the two thousands, and then it's like,
sure's er Verlander.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
There's a couple other oddballs in there. That was fun.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Mike trout ops people forget about him if they can
tap into something from Justin Verlander. Hell, even twenty twenty three,
he was twenty seven starts with a three to two two.
He was actually a little slightly worse in Houston Mets.
Justin Verlander was sixteen starts to a three to one five.
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And I remember that whole thing being like it didn't
feel clean, like it didn't like right.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Just felt like like nothing.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Right, Like it didn't feel like Verlander was doing good.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
And he missed time to an injury while with the Mets.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
So he's a year removed.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
So from twenty seven starts, one hundred and sixty two innings,
a three.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
To two two era.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
So if you get that for one year, fifteen million. Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Last year more recently, landed at seventeen starts, a five
four eight, ninety innings pitched. You know, some of the
numbers down. Again, he was good to start, got hurt
and it came down. No jokes to be made here.
His high school is Goochland High School in Virginia, so
old dominion, same as Benny Pascentino, I believe, I believe so.
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And you know one of the great games he always
play is what are what are you asking for Justin Verlander?
If the San Francisco Giants are asking Justin Verlander to
be there too next year, I'd be a little concerned
technically and again I think this could get shimmied and shook.
They have him slotted in the back end of their rotation.
They have Logan Webb as stable as a pitcher.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
As you can get.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Robbie Ray who only had seven starts last year, but
again he should be more built up and be more
than those seven starts at least. Jordan Hicks, who made
twenty starts last year one oh nine innings pitched. Hopefully
he can jump up to maybe like the one thirty
range Kyle Harrison, the young lefty was kind of hunting
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hunting in a lot of his starts. He either had
it or he did it. And then justin Verlander. And
so you have some depth pieces between trist and Beck,
Heat and Win as I mentioned Hayden, show me your
bird song Land and Roupe that. Yeah, hey, there could
be BBD. I'll ask you a question, if you don't mind, please,
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Who was the biggest piece the Yankees traded to get
Juan Soto former Yankee Michael King? Where did Michael King
learn his.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Curveball from Corey Klueber, So Corey klueber.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Brief stint with the Yanks, there there can be ripple
effects of bringing an all time great pitcher that. I
hope Giants fans are telling those stories in a couple
of years or even this year, and they might get
something out of him. So you have to if you're
a Giants fan, like the a in the article said,
I really like this for him. I wonder what else
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of a market was for them. Apparently the Tigers got
an f out of this one. If he was willing
to sign there. The other thing with him insures there
what do they want to do? Justin Verlander has made
four hundred million dollars playing baseball. He was gonna go
wherever he wanted. If someone offered him fourteen mil. I
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think he would have been fine with that to go
to another team. He apparently is kind into San Francisco.
Is there a Buster Posey effect? Haven't seen that article yet.
Does he believe in what's going on? Does he like
pitching at a pitcher's ballpark?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
You know? Could that help him out? We will see.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
The NL West is becoming daunting and the San Diego
story continues to feel like it's getting sad, although they
still have a lot of talent on that roster. But
the Giants and d Backs are continuing to kind of
build their teams out. The NL West is going to
be a blood bath of sorts. And you have to think,
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you know, of the Padres, Diamonbacks, and Giants, one of
those teams is gonna have a tough year next year.
And I don't know who it is. I I'd have
to see everything on paper. You'd still think the Padres
are going to do something because they have been silent.
Maybe not because they're suing each other for ownership of
the team. The Padres won ninety three games last year
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and we're up two to one on the Dodgers and
we're like on path to win the World Series. So
I know they've lost pieces, and it's it's really hard
to compare the Padres and the Giants right now. The
Giants lost Snell and CONFORDO, okay, significant, They've added Willia
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Domash and they've now added Justin Verlander. That hey, that
Snell loss is significant. I mean I think it's eleven
starts down the stretch. They were incredible, and he goes
over to the Dodgers Junghu Lee will be back, So
that's something that helps them. This is always my thing
with the Giants. It feels like they've got room for
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one more hitter, and it's are they willing to do that?
Because right now their bench is a little thin. Their
DH is listed.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
As Wilmer Flores.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
So could they be in the business of anyone whether
you want to go medium and do a JD. Martinez
a flyer on someone or JAD turned them down last.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Year right because.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Him so maybe a bad example there. Maybe he still
doesn't you know. Santan Dare's still out there for a
couple of teams again, if you're looking for a So
if the Giants get themselves another hitter, I think I
could actually talk myself into it. We will see if
they do that, because they don't necessarily need to. They've
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got a lot of talented guys. Ramos had a really
good rookie year, Fitzgerald did two, but nobody knows what
to do with that and that sample size. Matt Chapman
locked up, Lamont Wade only gets on base, and Willie
Thomas was a big signing one hundred eighty something mill
So they could, in theory be done. I would like
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to see them add one more hitter. And Yeah, here's
what I'll say about the Giants coming into the past
few seasons. We've said the same things, and this team
isn't that far away from those same things I would say,
But it feels a little more entertaining. Willie Domas Matt
Chapman was good for them. Justin Verlander starts, Logan Webb
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healthy for like a full year. Uh, They've got a
rotation that each guy has upside. It's just what's gonna
click and what's not gonna click in a year And
with that tough division and hopefully some bounce back in
their bullpen, they can be a tough team. But I
still think when you look at that Giants lineup on
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paper compared to a lot of the plus lineups around
the league, it's a little daunting.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
God.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
I kind of want to check out this art why
they gave the Tigers because that was my pick when
we did we did the free agency draft, I was like,
go back to Detroit, do this all again. So I'm
just wondering if they had any rumors or anything, or
if they're just like, couldn't, Yeah, couldn't the Tigers at
least offer this?
Speaker 2 (11:42):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
I think another fun game Beaverton and let me know
if I'm missing anyone.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
There's been.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
At least three old starting pitchers that have signed one
year fifteen mil, oh, I think, So let me see,
we've got Charlie Morton just happened to Baltimore, Justin Verlander
to the San Francisco Giants, Alex Cobp to Detroit. So
maybe that's what my article friends were being not happy
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about Sugano's thirteen mil for Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Let's see what that is.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Boyd is fourteen to five for two years, so that's
really uh yeah, that's a that's something. Max Schures are
still out there, by the way.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
It's gonna be funny to look at that handful of
guys that you could have had for the same price
at the end of the year, because I bet two.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Of them are good.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I bet two of them aren't welcome to baseball, welcome
to analytics.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
So that's that, and it's exciting.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
He's still justin Verlander, famous wife, all time pitcher, could
be good. I'm about it. That's fun baseball stuff. The
one I don't really know where to lead you guys.
My Cincinnati Reds have thrown a wrench in the equation
as Gavin Lux gets traded to the Reds after they
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traded Jonathan India and everyone was like, oh, they finally
finally cleared up that infield Gavin Lux is in town.
They traded two prospects for him, well, one prospect and
a draft pick. I did think it was funny and
this is just dumb Jake stuff. But Mike Saroda is
the outfield prospect Northeast guy By the way, the Dodgers
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drafted him out of high school and he said no,
got drafted by the Reds and I think the third round.
Still hasn't played pro ball. I don't know if he
was injured or something. Oh, I don't know what that is.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
But then the.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Dodgers traded for him. So how bad did the Dodgers
want Mike Saroda? You know? And if I'm Mike Saroda,
that's a good thing. I got drafted for turned them down,
and then they traded for me.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
They won them.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
I'm interested to see the follow up on Mike Siroda
and that competitive balance pick. But most importantly we know
Gavin Lux, who got traded a two time World Series champ,
Gavin Lux.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
That's a pretty big flex.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Coming off a two war season with a massive second half,
A pretty I can say it was a bad first half.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
But it's pretty easy to talk yourself into like miss
the previous year, acl get literally getting his legs under him,
and literally got under him.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Uh in the second half, sixty one games, three to
zero four batting average, a three ninety one on base
a five O eight slug so he almost three four
five for sixty one games to bring the season home.
That being said, seventy eight games in the first half,
two thirteen, batting average two sixty seven, on base five
sixty two. BBD mentioned the injuries. Also the whole shortstop
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who's playing where? Like that was a little messy. I
know in our heads that doesn't matter, like set the lineup,
go hit, play defense. I've seen shortstop mess with a
lot of players heads by this point.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
And I guess at twenty seven he it's somewhat of
a full like all right, you don't face lefties anymore,
like a little bit.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah, that's tough.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
It's made there because that's also a little Dodger syndrome m.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Hm, like same thing happened to Jock way back when.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Right, And it's it's opportunity based and at a certain
point you're a certain age that I wonder if that's
what the Reds are thinking. We'll get to that in
a second. What do we have Gavin Lux getting paid
this year?
Speaker 4 (15:52):
I believe, and I think around this time tomorrow we
will have like some official numbers on some year guys,
but the estimates are under three million dollars.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
I was gonna say, because he made one point two
last year, so and it kind of makes sense like
he never had the gangbuster year.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
That really multiplies. Yeah, and and losing a full season
to an injury.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Right, so the two data points we do have a
twenty four year old Gavin Lux had a three war
season and one hundred and twenty nine games, two seventy
six three forty six forty five ops. And last year
I told you, I mean they ended up nearly even.
But that big second half can make you dream upon
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if you're trading for Gavin Lux two years of hopefully
pushing eight hundred ops type production. He hasn't done it yet,
so you don't want to put that out there too much.
And changing divisions, you're seeing less similar pitchers, and if
you believe in lineup support and all that stuff, Dodgers
to the Reds. But the Reds play in one of
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the best hitters parks that I think you can dream
on Gavin Lux being in his prime, hopefully being recovered
from a leg injury, being a pretty decent contributor. But
where Because are Reds, who we applauded for getting Brady
Singer for Jonathan India, They currently have Ellie de la
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Cruz at shortstop.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Let's lock that in Janiel. It's the reference for BBD
and a couple other people. What show was that?
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Uh Anti Donna's biggle has some fun. So some people
are gonna be really into that drop, and some people
are like, why have you wasted twenty more seconds on this?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
We'll like that joke.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
That's why you do it, and that's why you're subscribing
right now, almost twenty five k. Thanks everyone, Thanks. I'm
gonna lock in Ellie de la Cruz at shortstop. I
think I'm gonna lock in Matt McClain at second unless
he's a piece of trade meat. That will circle back
on a second. But if let's do this, if they
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are on the reds Ellie's at short Matt McClain at second,
that's kind of the end of the conversation there is it?
Because I just remember Gavin Lux is where this whole
conversation is around. Then we have Christian and Carnassio and Strand,
who's kind of a first baseman fencer Steer I'll throw
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in here. He plays everywhere. They have him currently listed
as the left fielder Gavin Lux, jam Or Candelario, And
this is gonna be a bad reference because it's not
referencing anything.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
So I don't know why I teed it up like this.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
If Santiago Espinal is on your team, he's gonna play.
It's just a developing theory. It's kind of the IKF effect,
Like they're versatile enough and they're not bad enough, but
if they're on your team, they're going to play eighty
one games minimum. How many to play? Last year, let
me walk all over myself.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
There inter n anyone played appearances.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
D eighteen games.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
So the past four years, Santiago Espinal has played ninety
two plus games. He plays solid defense, he plays positions,
and he has like a slappy bat. Wow, his numbers
are so like KF two sixty six, three, twenty one
six eighty five ops. WHOA, I might have to put
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out a that's gonna be mean. I was gonna say,
I need to put a warning to teams if you
have this guy on your team, they're gonna play a lot,
which I don't know if that's good. I don't know
if that's good. Anyways, Sorry for the Santiago Espinal slander.
That is, before mentioning the guy that was supposed to
be like the future of the Reds noelvi Marte. He
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was the big piece they got for Luis Castillo, kind
of a I don't want to say super prospect, but
of sorts got was good pot for pds. Came back midseason,
was not good. But you have to think they're not
over him after you know a limp two hundred and
forty two bad played appearances at the end of last season.
That he has to be very much in the mix.
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I didn't mention, but this should be tied in Will Benson,
who played a lot for them last year. The numbers
weren't off the charts, but fourteen homers, sixteen stolen bases,
he's twenty six, Like that's a baseball player. So the
Cincinnati Reds are back to having a lot of position players,
which that's a good thing. I think what's scary to
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me is after Ellie d la Cruz, who hit twenty
five homers last year, I believe and has a chance
to fully break out and kind of have. I mean,
he kind of did break out. He had five war
last year, but I mean we could be talking about
if his numbers pick up across the board, you're talking
about seven, eight, nine war type of guy. So let's
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see what happens with Ellie. I mean BBD. If you
had to place a bet on not a draft, but
double who's going to have the second most home runs
on the Cincinnati Reds next year?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
You would pick god right, Chake Frayley.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
So for a team that I just mentioned has a
lot of depth, and we've we've got not Jake Fraley,
we've got six infielders, six outfielders, you can't lock in
another guy for twenty homers twenty which in today's baseball.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Like twenties.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
If you're an average power hitter playing a full seed
every day, you're hitting twenty homers.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
I think freedom. So I was trying to say for
the Reds people.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Yelling they have one of the best hitters parks in baseball,
so maybe that can be your spin zone that you're
gonna get plus production from one of these guys. For me,
the scent is this should be a move that leads
to another move. I like Gavin lux as a ballplayer.
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Like I said, he could get two years at three
million and six million, where he gives you two three
war seasons.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
That's that's a massive win.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
And maybe the Reds are just thinking, hey, last year
we had a lot. It always felt like we had
two or three holes, and it just never felt cohesive.
That maybe if we have this extra depth and Jamer
has another bad year or one of the young guys
has a down year, somebody gets hurt, that we can
plug them and hopefully the wheel keeps on turning. I'm
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okay with that thought process, but it feels a step off,
and I wonder if there's a trade for a hitter.
I wonder if they do they have the money to
sign for a hitter. My knee jerk reaction was like
a Dylan Cease trade to have, like an actual like
whoa the Cincinnati Reds pitch? Because I who have been
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brainwashed by myself into becoming a Cincinnati Reds fan because
I liked all their young hitters so much. Funny how
much a year can change things. I like their pitching
more than their hitting. Hunter Green breakout happened. I keep
reminding people this twenty six starts at two seven five
Brady Singer, wherever you stand on them, he had a
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solid year last year, three seven to one, Andrew Rabbit
three seven to two, Nick Martinez qualifying offer three to
one Era last year Nick Lidolo had two point one
war shut up Jake a talented young pitcher, and that
is before we get to Rhet Louder, who was a
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top pick who U thirty innings from Rhet Louder last
year a one to one seven ERA.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
And they have a couple other young arms they like.
So in theory, the Cincinnati Reds.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Could be done.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
They have some rod rotation depth. I don't hate their bullpen.
They got some lefties and righties with Alexis Diaz on
the back end, and it's like, okay, so maybe they
just want depth in their lineup. Terry Francona is the
manager you may have forgotten, and he's just gonna press
all the right buttons and go. Since he go, I'd
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like to think there's another move, and I think it
could be for a pitcher, And if it's Dylan Ceese
for one or two young players, I think that's a win.
Looking at Dylan Ceese, Hunter Green, and then if singer Abbott, Martinez,
Ludola one of them clicks, you have like a good
rotation in Cincinnati, which I feel like we haven't said
that was anyone else with Bauer was on that Reds team.
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Was Sonny there?
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Sonny was there, Luis Castile was there. I don't know
how broken out he was, but.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Talent definitely that twenty twenty Reds team.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
I gotta tell Jolly to do that as a video Yeah,
Man Bauer, Castillo, Gray Tyler, Molly d Scalfani and Wade Miley. Okay,
easy on that those four all had legit. Bris l Iglesias,
Michael Lorenzen, tj and Tone Archie, Bradley Brooks.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Really what Jesse Biddle? What year is this? Are there
two Jesse Biddles?
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Pedro Strope on the team?
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Wasn't there a Rocky Biddle was the old Expos reliever
and he got rocked? Why do I know his name?
Minus three point two career war Anyways, I'd like to
think there's another move for the Reds going. I'd like
to think it's in any direction. If this was a
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video game and the Reds had a little bit of money,
could you just somehow, could you somehow get Dylan Ceese
and then signed Pete Santander or something, then like you'd
look at the Reds and be like, wait, is this
a good team? Because the other thing that happened earlier,
I was on the Reds and I was giving myself
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my normal Reds hype speech. Here we go, let's go Reds.
I clicked over to the Royals and I like the
Royals roster better than the Reds, and I think it's
on like every front, Like I believe in the Royal
star a little more. Bobby wit Junior, he showed that
last year, like even India Wit Pascuentino Salve. Maybe I'm
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a little too biased to Michael Massey, but I like
what's going on up there. You could argue the Reds
have better depth, sure, but kind of the star in
the meat of the lineup.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I like that more for.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Case Reagan's Lugo waka now Lorenzen. And then however they
want to finish it boo bitch march Well Kyle Wright
ever return. I don't know any young pitchers I know,
not really, but also the bullpen man Ursig, Harvey Schreiber,
and then they've got all those lefty Zerpa Lynch Long
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Christrattan that it's kind of like, Okay, the Royals. Where
do I officially land on the Royals. They made the
playoffs last year. The team has some juice, they have
a star. It was an eighty six win team. Do
I think they necessarily got better?
Speaker 2 (27:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
I think that kind of depends on India Pasquentino, Salvi,
Michael Massey breakout alert. I kind of like the Royals
more than the Reds, which I gotta be honest. For
the Reds, that's a bad sign.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
M hm.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Like. I hope the Royals run it back next year.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
But the Royals, they were second in starting pitching era.
It's really good. The Reds last year.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Oh my god, I accidentally just clicked on a booze ad.
How do I get out of here?
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Is this?
Speaker 3 (28:07):
What is this? Reggie?
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Is that whiskey? They got me? Well done? Now I'm
buying it. I'm drinking it.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
My Cincinnati Reds that I continue to try to talk
myself into in a weak division. They won seventy seven
games last year, twenty first and o PS sixteenth and
starting pitching the ra eighteenth. And give me a little
bit of an identity somewhere, and maybe a Trevino helped
steal some pitches for them and that can help their
pitching staff. I'd like if they could give me one
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more move in either direction. I can dream better, like.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
A new.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Doesn't necessarily have to be best, but a new most
reliable hitter or pitcher.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Something with it with a big ceiling.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
I would love a.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Hitter that looks like twenty five plus homers ideally thirty
today's baseball. Or I'd love a starting pitcher that I
could look at and say, well, you're gonna hopefully get
thirty starts at a three five era. And I guess
the part that surprised me when I originally did this,
because again knee jerk reaction posted on social media. I
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was like Dylan Cees like Reds, that's an identity pitch
a little bit. I kind of now believe in the
reds pitching upside more than their hitting that.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Hopefully I'm missing something. The Reds have great American ballpark.
Maybe that's where my head is at, Like, go get
Dylan Ceese and you'll figure out hitting.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
But Reds.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
I need one more move to make sense of it. Meanwhile,
watch out for whatever Mike Sirota and whoever the Dodgers
pick with that pick. That's a little bit of the
baseball update for now. We will see again whatever shoe
drops next. There's been no real santandar rumors. Pete's kind
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of in a bad spot. It feels like Bragman. It
still feels like he's in a good spot.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Ultimately seem like Bragman's like going land where he won it.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
There's a lot of teams you can be like Bregman, Bergman,
Red Sox, Mats, Nats. I have to feel like our team.
Everyone wants the Tigers that we've done Pete, that whole
first base wheel happened, carousel.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
I'm sorry to think he's gonna fall more into like
a Cody Bellinger Matt Chapman three year with opt out,
so if you have a forty homer year in the
next two years, you'll get another big deal.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
It's entered a weird spot with Pete, and I didn't
think it would. I thought a team would would talk
themselves into that. Rats, Diamondbacks. Who's gonna come out of
the woodwork for Pete?
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Yankees? No, No kombucha girl give again for a couple people.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Let's talk a little football, because I told you this
is kind of the big one college football. If you're
not into it, I think this should be your weekend.
We are down to well, oh god, I was going
to say I was going to make a joke about
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one of the bad Bowl games it had South Alabama
Western Michigan, but that was December fourteenth, So if you're
looking forward to that game, it's not happening. No, there
are three college football games left. Notre Dame at Penn State. Okay,
some traditional northern colleges mixing it up. The Golden Domers
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have become i don't know, kind of yankee ish, right,
like Notre Dame used to be college football's brand.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
They haven't really won the big one in a while.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
People said last week against Georgia was the biggest game
they won in a long time. They play a fun
brand of football. They want to run the ball. They've
got a veteran quarterback, Riley Leonard, who's going to make plays.
Not a ton through the air last week, but they
didn't need a ton through the air. But their run
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game is really fun. Love and Price normally doing a
lot of work, although Riley Leonard did a lot of
the work last week as they beat a Georgia team
with basically just a good end to the half. Penn
State had been kind of one of they'd been a
punching bag of college football for a little bit because
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another program that kind of landed Top ten. They won
every game they were supposed to win. They lost every
game they were supposed to lose. So it's kind of like, well,
what are you? You're clearly not the elite, you're not bad,
but how do we treat you? They beat SMU and
Boise State, so even read that off makes me a
little timid. But they won both those games dominantly, which
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which you like to see. They do have one of
the best quarterbacks remaining in this whole dance. Drew Aller
has elevated his stock. He had three touchdown passes against
Boise no interceptions. Allen and Singleton are there to go
to running backs. Singleton's a beast and it's funny Alan
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actually outplayed him last game against Boise. And if you're
in the NFL world and you're just waiting to get
to the next part of this conversation, they have a
tight end Tyler Warren, who is just massive. There has
been a couple of times they just give him the
ball in the backfield because he's that good that it's
just like, hey, figure it.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Out, dude, we don't know how to get you the
ball right now.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
So go.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Two touchdowns receiving against both Boise State and just you know,
some college players look different on the field.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Is one of them.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
That'll be fun to see him on that stage. And
I'd have to assume he's gonna be a first round
pick and he is just massive. I think there's gonna
be grant comparisons come to draft and if he has
a big game, watch out.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
That.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
That's gonna be fun to see those two teams. One
of them is going back to the national championship. Notre
Dame did that a few years ago, but they got
absolutely rolled by Alabama. Like they just didn't have a
chance at that. It was like Alabama's peak and it
was like Notre Dame wiggled in and it was a
bad time. This will be a fun game. Notre Dame
is the favorite. I was just talking myself by a
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point and a half, so it's pretty tight. I was
just telling myself, like, oh, Penn State, they've got a quarterback.
Notre Dame hasn't seen that. But Notre Dame just be
Georgia who they've got, you know, Georgia compared to Boise State,
and SMU is a different product on each line that
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this game is being played tomorrow night, So again I
mentioned this as an explosive football weekend tomorrow night at
the Orange Bowl fighting Irish Nitney Lions gone to my head?
Why does he always do that? I guess I like
Notre Dame. They just took out Georgia. They're feeling good
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about themselves. They kind of know who they are. They've
got a good storyline. I like their head coach a
little more than Penn State's head coach.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
And I don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
The Notre Dame story is cool, like they lost to
Northern Illinois and everyone was ready to fire their coach
and Notre Dame's a joke and here we go and
they have responded from that as good as a team can.
So I guess I like that story a little more.
James Franklin left my Vanderbilt, so some wounds.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Just never heal.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
But that should be a fun one now on Friday,
maybe because we've got a snowstorm in Dallas. Watch out
supposed to get a half a foot and they don't
know what to do with snow down there. Ohio State,
the Ohio State the heavy favorites to win this whole dance.
(36:16):
How quickly we've moved on from Ryan Day not beating
Michigan over the past four years, they are the favorites.
They are playing Texas, the Texas Longhorns, who their two
losses this year are to Georgia in a couple of
close games, or at least the second one was. So
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we'll see if there's any Texas in Texas effect. They're
playing at Jerry's World. You'd like to think there's gonna
be more burnt Orange in the crowd. I'll tell you this.
Dallas is a commuter city, is at the transplant city
that there's already a lot of Ohio folk there, and
it's a fan base that travels that. I don't think
we're looking at something odd here, a team that wouldn't
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travel unless flights from Ohio get canceled.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
We'll see about that. Texas.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
I'm interested to see are they gonna mix anything up.
They ended up letting Clemson into the game a little bit.
In their first game, Arizona State almost pulled out a
miracle against them, and their defense that is supposed to
be their strength continues to just have kind of these
weird moments of what is going on here? Yours statline
ends up looking good last game, people were wondering has
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he been playing hurt through the season because he had
some moments of just bizarre kind of output on their end.
And meanwhile, Ohio State I talked about Notre Dame looking
in the mirror after losing to Northern Illinois and kind
of doing you what are we doing, and how it's
a great bounce backstory. Ohio State's looking to write an
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even better one. Ryan Day looking like he's on.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
The chop block.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Into four years not beating Michigan, and this Michigan team
was not a Michigan team that if they slipped up
against Tennessee in a cold weather game, if they lost
to Oregon, the undefeated number one team that they had
lost to, Ryan Day could have been in a weird spot.
(38:25):
And I don't know if he'd be the coach of
Ohio State. I think after they beat Tennessee how they did,
if the Oregon game was close, he would have been fine.
But a reminder, they jumped out in front of Oregon cataclysmically.
It's to Joe's McFly word that I try to mix
in I mean thirty four to nothing. I think that
word works there. That Ohio State has now become the favorite.
(38:48):
It seems like they're clicking on all cylinders there. Wide
receivers cannot be stopped. Jeremiah Smith, the wide out freshman
wide receiver, he's drawn comps to Julio Jones, Andre Johnson,
like the best of the best wide receivers you know
that went through college football and just ripped it up.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
He's on that level.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
They have him in a book on the outside that
the secret is they've kind of been feeding those guys
the ball instead of focusing on the run, and nobody
can stop them, even though they have a great run
game with Henderson and Howard the quarterback chipping in where
he needs to. It's gonna be interesting to see if
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what kind of fight Texas has for them. It's a
five to five and a half point spread, which usually
that means they're indecisive and they're trying to get you
to take Texas because Ohio State and just how good
they have looked Ohio Texas might be the last line
of defense. Texas one of the favorites coming into this season,
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and they've shown moments of really high play between their quarterback,
their running back, their defense, and can they get a
Texas boost or even Ohio State hasn't seen something go
the wrong direction in a while, they haven't seen a
pick six, they haven't seen a bad fumble. Can they
get something early that shows like, hey, this is an
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equal playing field, because right now they are rolling. I'll
be honest, it's tough to bet against Ohio State right
now with how good they do look. But tune into
if you're a sports person, these are gonna be two
fun ones to tune into. And by the way, your
college football bracket, which we've talked about a little bit
and we'll talk about more, how we need to make
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some changes and adjustments. The current seeds left are five, six, seven,
and eight, So again how the bracket got built. In
previous years, it would have been a different one through four,
like a couple of these teams would have been in here.
But this year, this is where we're at, and I
think the product has gotten to a good spot. With
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that Arizona State eight Texas game that was just electric
last week, I guess we could use one more signature game.
But again, we are now at the point that the
playoffs started previously, so I think I think we're in
a good spot. So if college football is not your
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fancy m hm, the NFL will have what you're looking
for into the weekend. As it is wildcard weekend, the
NFL is rolling out one, two, three, four, five six
games starting Saturday ending on Monday. Saturday. It starts off
(41:41):
Chargers Texans Harbaugh remember Michigan Harbaugh and the Chargers are
eleven and six. The turnaround happened, like he does everywhere
he goes, and they will head to Houston, who a
weird year for them, man ten and seven. No one
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else in their division finished above five hundred. The Colts
had a very culty year. Meanwhile, Jacksonville died and Tennessee
was bad enough to have the first pick in the draft.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
So what is Houston? CJ.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Stroud took a step back and was that the league
seeing him more? Was it the people having a target
on them. I'm trying to see what's my best What
is my best Texans win? They beat the Bills a
while ago, so that's kind of an easy one.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Since then, since then, the Texans best wins are the Patriots,
the Colts, the Cowboys, the Jaguars, the Dolphins, and the Titans.
They lost to the Ravens, the Chiefs, the titanss Lions, Jets, Packers.
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So a year that was filled with a lot of
excitement for Houston. They've been off the map since off
the map since early in the season. The Chargers in
Houston are three point favorites, and I think you could
tell by the way I was talking to myself. I
think I'm talking myself into that. Justin Herbert Man twenty
(43:21):
three touchdowns, three interceptions. Pretty impressive what he's done the
lad mcconkee rookie season that he's put up. Yeah, I
guess I was interested to I thought the Texans at
home in a playoff game, you know, you think they'd
be at least pick them or one point favorites. No,
(43:43):
the Chargers minus three, And I think I just talked
myself into more of that. The nightcap that you hope
has excitement. A nine and a half point spread makes
you a little nervous, and two teams that make you
nervous on both fronts. The Ravens at one point my
Super Bowl pick for this year. Man could Lamar use
a big playoff game to shake some of his Google
(44:05):
Google ougas against the Pittsburgh Steelers who Pittsburgh Steelers bellow
the ball, Mike Tomlin, how do they do it?
Speaker 2 (44:12):
Defense? In this guy.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
They've lost their last four Eagles, Ravens, Chiefs, Begals. It's
feeling different. It's feeling different for the Steelers who will
head to Baltimore. They played the Ravens twice this year.
They won the eighteen to sixteen Boswell Bowl six times
(44:39):
three is at eighteen yep, they won that one. Then
at the Ravens they lost thirty four to seven, with
Baltimore opening it up late in that game. Baltimore is
a much better team the Steelers. It's how can they
score with the Ravens And I don't know if they
(44:59):
can even on their bad day. Mark Andrew's fun stat
with him after the first six weeks of the year
with zero touchdowns, ended up leading the tight end position
in touchdowns. There's a lot of people that had regretful
fantasy trades, including my main league, I Caravell. Someone was
very sad. No name's mentioned Andrew, but there's a couple Andrews,
(45:20):
so that.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
Leaves it vague, including in this conversation.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Right, So, yeah, it'd be cool if you get the
division and raven Steelers. We're hard hitting and maybe a
special team's play and Tomlin's got something up his sleeve.
I'll tell you what. If the Ravens somehow lose this game.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Watch out.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
The Lamar tone is gonna change bigger than you thought.
He has used up all of his playoff leash. His
playoff stats are pretty pretty not good. That yeah, this
is kind of the year. He might be winning another
MVP award. Everyone talks about now how his forty one touchdowns,
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four interceptions and how three of the four went off
wide receivers hands. It's a special, special year from Lamar,
who I think he has like a top five QBR
in a season ever and that doesn't include the running,
and he like passed VIC this year for what he
does on the ground. Should be Ravens, big rivalry division game.
(46:24):
Sometimes that's when the funk comes out. Should be Ravens
by more than nine and a half sometimes Vegas knows though.
So that's your Saturday Slate, Sunday Broncos Bills.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
My Broncos made it to the dance. Can you believe it?
Speaker 1 (46:48):
The Broncos ten and seven bow Nicks. It seems like
they're getting better bow Knicks. Twenty nine touchdowns, twelve interceptions.
I mean, their last game against the Chiefs shouldn't really count,
although I heard Travis Kelsey was getting mad about that
they're going into Buffalo Josh Allen, who's competing with Lamar
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for the MVP. Buffalo one of the tougher places to
play in this league. A Cook kind of figured it
out with the run game this year. His final stats
over a thousand yard, sixteen touchdowns, a little guy that
wasn't supposed to be able to find the end zone
and just spreading the ball out to every receiver a
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little bit the same except for Courland Sutton on the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
Nice year.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
Cortland, people were leaving him undrafted.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
Bo Nicks.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
I get it to an eight and a half point spread.
I told everyone my dream, and dream is a very
dramatic word.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Actually it's kind of nice.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
My dream bet that I've never hit that I've wanted
to hit is in most games there's a bet halftime
full time that like, if you think the Bills are
gonna win this.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Game, you'd pick Bills.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
Bills and the odds are just slightly tougher because if
you think the Bills are gonna the Bills should lead
this game the whole way. There's usually tie and then
the winner, which those odds are crazy. And then my
dream bet you can bet one team to be leading
(48:23):
at half and then the other team to win.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
That's my dream.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
I would love if my Broncos could execute that dream
that Sean Payton has a plan. Bow Nicks and the
boys come out and they put together a couple drives,
maybe they get the ball first field goal at the
half and they're up thirteen to ten, something like that.
I don't think they can win this game. I will
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be interested to see man bo Nicks in some of
these recent games. And the whole thing. Sean Payton said
he saw Drew Brees and this guy and they used
to just complete passes, and that's what they've been doing recently.
Twenty six for twenty nine against Kansas City, Okay, backups,
twenty four for thirty one against the Bengals, twenty nine
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for forty against the Chargers, and then it starts to
thin out a little bit. Uh. I hope the old
dog Champagne can win me over if there is a
sneaky on side kick in this game, I will be furious,
but maybe that's what they'll need to actually hang with
the Bills, who are playing for a Super Bowl year
this year. That is your one PM game at four
(49:34):
point thirty Packers iggles.
Speaker 2 (49:39):
I want to have Justin pennickon.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
I think is as mom had a surgery or something.
I don't know if I'm supposed to be sharing that,
but he was spending time with her today, so we're
hoping to have him next week and best wishes.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
If that wasn't supposed to be revealed, I'm interested to see.
Pennick said.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
If the Eagles draw the Packers, that's a really bad
matchup for the e Eagles and there would be a
sweet Philly twist if they've gone on this run. They've
been incredible. Eagles, Eagles, Eagles, They've become my favorite Sirianni
God again. If they lose to the pack in Philly,
that burnt that building could burn down. That being said,
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Philly is still my super Bowl pick because I think
they've gotten back to running the ball and they're just
so dominant at Itaquan is crazy two thousand yards missing
the last game.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
Let's see what goes on with Hurts.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
He's been in concussion protocol. He practiced today. Eagles four
and a half. I'll bet it they'll win by three.
I'll be mad all around.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
Packers. What are you.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
Let's find out a lot of green Commander's Buccaneers your nightcap, Okay,
Baker and Jaden Daniels. Sure, Buccaneers have been fun all year,
and I wish that Chris Godwin injury never happened. The
Commanders have been fun all year. Twelve and five. It's
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in Tampa. Remember they were going on their three game
skid and they had one game before the bye week
to figure it out. Against the Titans. It was close
for or actually no, it was not close. They blew
them out early. Titans showed a little fight, they beat them.
Speaker 2 (51:23):
They won out.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
Titans, Saints, Eagles, remember that one. Falcons, Cowboys. Everything's close
with them. I love Jayden Daniels and I hope we
get some Jayden and Daniels magic. I love Baker and
Bucky Man. I'm surprised this is the Sunday night game.
Feels like Packers Eagles. It was a little more national juice.
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Tampa Bay is a three point favorite, and I think
that's right. Again, there's a lot of things you could
look back on this Washington season. Remember the Giants game
Week two that they should have lost, but the Giants
didn't have a kick. And there's you know, the Hail
Mary against the Bears, Like, oh god, Yeah, this this
Washington season could have felt a lot different at a
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couple different stops along the way. And hey, they have
some other things they can point back. The Steelers had
a crazy comeback against them one week. Sit back and
enjoy that breeze. What Baker has turned himself into in
this second act of his career has been a ton
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of fun. What Jaden Daniels is doing and how electric
that is is a ton of fun. Bucky Irving is electric,
and I hope they feed him the.
Speaker 3 (52:38):
Rock scene where his season numbers ended up.
Speaker 2 (52:42):
Yeah, Bucky crushed man.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
And he's still sharing time with like a couple backs
along the way, not only White, but they like their
other guy forty four.
Speaker 2 (52:51):
Nice. That's real football talk when you say their number.
Enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
Hopefully, if we get a Baker Jaden shootout, a couple
guys and that'll lead us into Monday Vikings rams, the
coaches are connected, Minnesota one point favorite in La as
scary LA. Let's see what's going on with that whole
city in a couple days. Remember the Vikings were playing
to get the one seed in a bye and now
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they're in LA and that city might be rallying around
everything and Matthew, Stafford and McVeigh could be scary hours.
And the last thing we saw from Darnold was he
was having a pretty bad time out there. Let's get
through the weekend and you'll hear from us before then.
Enjoy it, you guys know, I've enjoyed my relationship with football.
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Did I watch a little NBA the other night?
Speaker 2 (53:44):
I did.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
Who's I watching? Not the Nuggets game? Who's on before them? Lakers, Lakers, someone,
Lakers maths. A lot of guys missing, No Luca.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
No Kyrie.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
Yeah, hey, this is kind of the whole thing I
saw there doing another NBA is doing.
Speaker 2 (54:03):
A rivalry week coming up.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
Oh, anything to make people believe it matters because guys
aren't playing.
Speaker 2 (54:11):
I love it when the guys play. College basketball is
in a weird spot.
Speaker 1 (54:16):
Everyone's pooping on them nowadays because they're saying guys don't
know how to play basketball anymore. Maybe that's just on
the old side of the Internet. I now live on
with this jacket. Hey, enjoy the sports. Maybe we get
the baseball breaking news.
Speaker 2 (54:30):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
And if not, it's okay to enjoy the football. I
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