In Part 2 of this explosive interview, Dr. Robert Malone joins Navy SEAL David Rutherford to expose the dark truths behind America’s bioweapons research, gain-of-function funding, and the global bio-industrial complex.
They dive deep into topics the mainstream won’t touch:
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The real reason gain-of-function research is still happening
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The U.S. government's role in funding biowarfare labs
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The CCP’s exploitation of American intelligence gaps
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Vaccine injuries, censorship, and government failure to compensate the injured
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The disturbing origins of modern biotech in military bio-warfare programs
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Transhumanism, genetic augmentation, and the rise of “super soldiers”
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Why Dr. Malone believes a RICO case is needed to hold elites accountable
💥 This is Part 2 of a two-part series. If you missed Part 1, go back and watch it first. Then buckle up—because this episode will shake your understanding of bioethics, national defense, and who’s really pulling the strings.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Was your mind blown with the first episode with Doctor
Robert Malone. Will stand by because in this episode we
tackle bio weapons research and development and whether or not
the world is prepared for the next pandemic. Join me
in Doc on the David Rutherford Ship. You know, we
(00:20):
have all of these uh let's call them stakeholders around
the world who are all, you know, out there pontificating about, oh,
the next one is going to be the big one, the.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Next one, all that existential fear that's great, you're gonna die,
You're gonna.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Die, conditioning, that conditioning.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
And so for me, you know that that ability for
you to be uh you know that that you know,
really powerful guide to this. You know, if if that
should happen, and you know, if if you're listening, you know,
don't be afraid call your local congressman or call HHS
(01:02):
and and advocate for doctor Malone to at least, you know,
be consultant on all this all these things. But for me,
it's really about you know, bio weapons research, which I
believe is ultimately the core of what we're dealing with
right now. And so you know, my my last kind
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of you know, spectrum of your analysis that I would
love you to, you know, share with us, is where
are we right now in terms of gain of function,
in terms of the NGOs that we're outsourcing it, where
it's being outsources?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
You know, where are we now?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
And what does the current battle space of bio weapons
research and development look like? And what would you see
like to see happen in the next you know, six
months with that?
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Okay, So there, UH And and the CCP has made
made hay out of the fact that the United States
didn't sign the more recent UH attempted by a warfare treatment.
But the truth is that neither did anybody else, including
the c CP. It was basically dropped and so it's
defaulted back to the original agreement, which is like cheese
(02:23):
clock UH. And UH. Notably and you're probably were coached
in this UH in your training. UH. The UH existing
agreement does not prohibit UH the development and deployment of
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agents which are non lethal.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
UH.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
So these are referred to in d D space as
incapacitating agents. And one of those that is on the
you know, at the forefront of potentially deployment as an
incapacitating agent because it has various characteristics are the equine
encephalitis viruses that have been weaponized in various ways because
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they create you basically get an encephalitis, you get AH.
What that translates to is you get a wicked, bad
headache and it's infectious through your nose, so you can
breathe it in UH and it potentially can be weaponized.
And so that's why there's so much emphasis on trying
to develop vaccines against UH the encephalitis viruses UH, and
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those would meet criteria as an incapacitating agent rather than
as a formal biowarfare lethal agent. UH. All of this
to understand this bizarre space and an adjacency is also
the kind of the super soldier augmented uh H world
(04:00):
of individuals war fighters augmented genetically and through implantable devices,
which leads straight into the transhumanism world. And if you
think that Elon musk snarlink is all about treating soldiers
(04:20):
that and others that have had traumatic injuries, I have
a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. We've written about
this in our sub stack now going back three or
four years and documented for people provided links to various
NATO publications that all basically justify r and d in
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this kind of biodefense, biowarfware, transhumanism, super soldier space based
on the logic that is virtually ad to the logic
that was deployed with thermonuclear warfare, which is mutually assured destruction.
Them guys are doing it, and if we don't do it,
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we're going to get left behind, and then we're going
to be facing Chinese super soldiers that are going to
march across the world and we have no defense. Is
the short version of that story. And underneath that, it's
important to recognize, and I've heard this from multiple sources,
credible sources, CIA sources, DITRO sources that the logic of
(05:37):
the let's call it investment in the Wuhan Institute of
Virology was based on the logic that had been successfully
prosecuted in trying to neutralize the risk of former Soviet
Union thermonuclear warfare experts that were no longer employed in
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a collapsing Soviet Union economy and therefore were basically available
as hired guns. And as if that wasn't bad enough,
there was also the loose nukes that were available on
the free market that I don't know how many movies
have been built around that. You know, Tom Cruise would
probably be half of alcmrose Is if there was for
(06:22):
that storyline. So but it's it was all real and
and uh Ditrad did some important work in threat reduction,
and that threat reduction logic of you're going to have
to pay some of these scientists to keep them from
doing bad stuff and working for the bad guys uh IF,
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and so it's justified to subsidize them. That the WIV
investment was partially about that. But the thing is that
the CCP is not a collapsed Soviet union free for
all environment. Uh CCP is very centralized and very astute
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and has very clear, very long term objectives. And so
they basically said, yeah, right, you know, we'll, we'll. The
other part of the logic was that some mole somewhere
revealed to the CCP and the People's Liberation Army the
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names of CIA personal assets throughout communists China, and they
pretty much all got killed in their families, tortured, and
many of them got killed too. So suddenly the CIA
was blind in terms of human intelligence and at a time,
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and you know, I used CIA metaphorically for the entire
uh defense intelligence and and the entire intelligence complex. And
uh So that was the other part of the justification
is a kind of uh uh better to get some intelligence,
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even if we're having to functionally pay for it by
subsidizing WIV, then to have none, then to have no
intelligence about what the CCP and and the p l
A are doing in terms of building bioweapons and and
bioweapon countermeasures, because that's that's the key thing is you
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can't deploy a bioweapon unless you've got the counter measure.
You kind of got to build both at the same time.
Uh So that's that's what went down there. Uh And
it's part of this whole uh you know, I put
out the uh my essays really early on about the
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Ukraine bio labs, and I reached back to the old
Mad magazine Spy versus Spy because it's it remains the
perfect metaphor.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
And you know, and I and I had this one
clip of spy vers the spy and they both have
they're both about to push down the on on us
some sticks of dynamite.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
They're going to blow up the other one. They're both
sitting there getting ready to blow up each other. That's
pretty much captures the logic initially assured destruction. Uh and
uh so, uh all of this is deemed essential because
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the logic that they're doing and everybody's doing it, and
so we have to do it too. And uh, I
don't know how to break the loop on that. That's
that's a that's a President Trump level question, beyond beyond
our portfolio, you and me. But that's what's going on,
(10:03):
and is it Is this sustainable? In the so not
just not to engage in my own fair porn, but
please audience understand that modern biotechnology is at a level
right now, I'll say it this way. During the sixties,
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up until Nixon's determination that we were going to stop
doing this, A case can be made that modern virology,
molecular biology, and microbiology exist because of the massive spending
that occurred in advancing the bio warfare agenda. The heads
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of the American Society for Microbiology for years were the
leaders in the kind of usamrid by a warfare world.
Uh it that technology platform that has given us the
RNA and in gene therapy and and uh PCR and
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all that comes out of this massive investment, and uh
it it is dark. It as Bobby talks about in
this other book uh wuhuon Lablink. It followed the real
Anthony Fauci. It has roots in both German and in
(11:33):
particular Japanese by warfare programs, and the Japanese buy a
warfare program was particularly.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Nasty, wasn't that Unit seven four one?
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yeah? I think you have more So they would they
would take prisoners of war and they actually fed him
pretty well. Uh. But the price of being healthy was
that they would experiment on life people. They would inoculate,
you'd stick your arm through a chamber and they would
(12:05):
jabb you with whatever the agent was. And my understanding
is they would perform live autoxies. I mean the ethics there.
But a lot of those people kind of got Verner
von Braund into usamrid. So that's the core from what
our modern bio industrial defense complex grew. So no surprise
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that there's some pretty sketchy ethics in that space. And
so it's still ongoing now. A key key thing to
understand is that after the Anthrax letters, and that, as
far as I'm concerned, that is still unresolved. It's reeks
a high habit.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
As a personal note, I think I have about eight
anthrax shots in me, to which I never got a
clear answer as to why other than you, Oh, you're
going to the Middle East. You're going to be exposed
to antrax. And there's no doubt in my mind. It
has affected my metabolic stability, it's affected neurologic aspect.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Yeah, and that's why the law was put in place.
That is the basis for Pete Hegseth's announcement.
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Speaker 3 (14:08):
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Speaker 2 (14:08):
Oh yeah, that's why the law was put in place. Uh.
That is the basis for Pete hag Seth's announcement that
the UH mandated administration of unlicensed vaccines by the Pentagon
chain of command, that Captain Tomlinson has the three ring
(14:34):
binders on for all that whole chain of that that
those orders. You know, a JAG level Navy captain I'm
based out of Big Island, who I've met with and
you know, talk to, so she's got proceeds. Uh. And
you know, as I said in another essay, I'm waiting
(14:57):
for the courts martials. But that law was put in
place because of soldiers like yourself and what you experienced
with for syndrome and the anthrax vaccines. But what happened
was getting back on thread when those spores were deployed
(15:18):
and they had the characteristics of weaponized anthrax spores because
normally anthrax sportes will clump and then you can't distribute
them through aerosol and it takes some fancy stuff to
make them so they don't clump. And the analysis of
those little sport packages demonstrated that whoever put those spores
(15:43):
in those packages had access to weaponized material. And the
decision was that it didn't come from Los Alamos, which
couldn't come from it didn't come from Bettel, which could
have come from It came from Usavrin. And there was
a hole and the Bruce Ivens got harassed. He was
(16:06):
unstable anyhow, he committed suicide, and everybody said, oh, it
was Bruce Ivan's case solved and we can go back
to work. But the blowback from that was Tony Fauci
was able to make the case UH organizationally with the
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government that the do O D had screwed the pooch
and they couldn't be relied upon to responsibly and efficiently
develop medical countermeasures. And so Naiad was so much better
(16:47):
at this than the d o D, which was a
total self serving lie. But and and all you have
to do is look at what he's done with the
money ever since UH. And you know a lot of
programs that were on track are now no longer on track. UH.
(17:07):
But that was that allowed him to become dual headed,
heading up NAIAD and also heading up the entire military
bio warfare complex. And that's what was used to justify
because of these increased responsibilities this major bump in pay
that he got that made him the most highly compensated,
(17:28):
better employee. So that's that's you know, people don't recognize it.
Fauci was sitting at the tip of the pyramid of
just a massive amount of money that goes back to
World War Two. And uh so that structure has still
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not been reorganized to the best of my knowledge. Uh.
And uh that is that's a inter agency issue that
somebody under hag Seth has got to have a pow
wow with Jay Bodicharia and split the baby again as
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far as I'm concerned, And then we've got to have
some serious thinking about what the heck are we doing here,
because and that feeds into the President's recent executive order
getting back to your core topic of GATA function research. So,
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bless his heart, Bobby has made a serious of statements
and he's kind of gotten ahead of his keys on
that executive order. He said that President Trump has endorsed
a total ban of gay and function Researchay, let's examine it.
What the executive order really does is it creates some
more obstacles for federally funded gain to function research, a
(18:58):
little more oversight. So it's turned up the GNOB a
little bit on the oversight of gain of function research
and the approval process. So it's created some more bureaucracy,
but that bureaucracy can be corrupted, you know. Now we're
in the future by just making sure that you get
the right appointments in those positions, and then they'll just
(19:19):
like the visa courts, they'll just bless whatever, throw holy
water on it, say go forth. And it does nothing
to address the privately funded gain of function research that occurs.
That stat News itself documented and I testified to the
(19:42):
Texas Senate about that there was gata function research going
on in the University of Texas system underfunding by Pfizer
having to do with novel coronavirus. This is still ongoing.
And you know, then we had the reveal of the
surreptitious uh CCP funded shop at California. God only knows
(20:05):
how many of those are. But basically, if if Blackrock
decides that it's appropriate that your new co do gain
to function research, uh, and they capitalize it. I'm just
picking on black Rock right right.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
They're the easiest.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah, they're they're low hanging fruit. Uh So, Uh, there's
nothing that President Trump's executive has to say about that.
It's only about federal research. So we're a long way.
I wish it was so these forward looking statements. Let's
say that Bobby's making, but we're a long way from
(20:50):
a band on gain to function research in the United States.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Over well, thank thank you for that answer.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
The last little bit is I always want to leave
the audience on positive night, those happy warriors, right. We
want to get him fired up after we just gave
him a pretty heavy dose of a dose of reality,
which is what the whole.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Show's intense intent is. And to contextualize it.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
All right, you know one of my other heroes from
from you know, your community and what you're doing is
Peter McCullough. And you know he appears to have some
type of protocol that that enables people who might have
suffered some type of vaccine injury or some type of adverse.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
I'm going to catch you off there, okay. Uh. Peter
works for the Wellness Company. Okay, And the Wellness Company
sells treatment kits uh that are have a combination of
licensed pharmaceuticals and nutriceuticals. The Wellness Company is extremely relatitious. Uh.
(22:03):
The Wellness company has sent me cease and desist orders. Uh,
and many other physicians.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
The Wellness Company is now suing Kelly means Ah. So
I just I just cannot comment on Peter, the Wellness Company,
Kelly Victory h a lot of this now now I'm
no longer talking about the Wellness Company. I just want
(22:31):
to be clear on that. Yeah. Yeah, A lot of
the dissension that has occurred within the base can be
traced to people that are associated with the Wellness Company. Wow.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Wow, that's disheartening to hear, sir, it really is.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
And I and it's kryptonite for me. I cannot talk
about Peter McCullough and what he does. H. Like I said,
I've had a you know, me and others have received
very aggressive, seasoned assist letters. And if I say anything
about Peter McCullough, then you know, I get a whole
bunch of blowback about how I'm.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Just I understand sir, all right, So let's put that
off to the side. Then what in your mind is
there a way forward to some type of medical development
or protocol in the future that will help all these
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people who have so?
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Yeah that this so David, what so I suggest that
the approach here is to go higher level. Okay, these
the people that are vaccine damaged are real. Mickey Willis
just came out with a video last night. It was
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published open source about these peopleople that are are not
able to be heard. They've been censored so heavily. Maddie
to Gary being just one examp. So the Special Vaccine
Court for COVID has been set up to compensate people
(24:17):
that are damaged by these products. And they've given out
a tiny handful of settlements that average a few thousand dollars.
And meanwhile they've spent over ten million dollars defending their
positions and holding their little meetings and being for their
consultants and all that trap. They're not actually helping anybody
(24:37):
in any real way. If I had my way, we
would have a reco case here against the perps that
have conspired and manipulated and censored and propagandized and everything else,
and a kin to the tobacco settlement. Uh In, in
(25:04):
my best of all possible worlds, this would be pursued
in the same way the tobacco settlement was with by
the States. So get it away from the fence and Uh,
the proceeds of such a case would be used to
make right the best of your ability those that have
(25:28):
suffered injuries due to these policies. And that's that's broadly written.
It's not just the JAB, it's it's huge damage to
small businesses that's been very well documented by the lockdowns
and so many other things. Ah that that and not
to mention, god, the damage to our children child from
(25:54):
the educational system. I mean that teachers union that is
run by this buddy of Hillary Clinton that was responsible
for influencing michae Olensky. Uh, that that one needs to
be taken out.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
So that's that's Uh. If I if I you know,
if if Donald Trump invited me down tomorrow lago and
we had a dinner and heart to heart and he said,
what can I possibly do here? I I've had an epiphany,
and uh I want to make it better. I'd say, uh,
(26:32):
find a way just at the start two, make things
right to the best of your ability. Uh, the vaccine injured,
and then uh think about how you know being somebody
is coming from a libertarian framework, I'm skeptical of the
(26:52):
ability of the government to do anything without throwing things
up but uh, and I'm you know, I don't see
the state as our friend, but the state is responsible
for this and as a significant life.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
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Speaker 3 (27:58):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Ye, the state is responsible for this in a significant way,
and you out own it and and figure out not
just how to create some prepare for the vaccine injured,
but the broader issue of this whole lost generation and
(28:27):
and their education. You know, they represent, particularly young men,
represent an enormous resource with the United States that's underutilized
right now at a time when we are desperately seeking
a people qualified to do let's call it dirty jobs,
(28:49):
work with their hands, and those are six figure incomes
to be an HVAC person or an electrician, mechanical engineer,
et cetera. We desperately need those people. And if they
have been deprived of uh the necessary training to enter
the trades or otherwise because of the school policies, then uh,
(29:18):
and let's think hard about the federal government capitalizing training programs.
And and I personally, ah would uh you know it's
this is this is really pushing the edge, just coming
from a fan of Amsa's institute, but uh, the work
(29:43):
projects that we're done in the context of the depression,
we we need some sort of a national program to
put our own people back to work. And and this
whole oh, we're just gonna import a a bunch of
Latinos and Chinese and everybody else from an open border
(30:05):
to replace our missing personnel. Cohort, I'm sorry that that
is not how you maintain a nation. We need to
take ore of our own. So that's where I come
down on this, as I really think that somebody needs
to get the cahunas to prosecute Rico against these players,
(30:31):
and it probably has to go at the state level
because of the indemnification has been provided by Defence and
that has there's also, by the way, this is inside baseball,
but the utilization of the other transactional authority to acquire
these products, which is not what it's intended for in
(30:53):
bypassing the federal acquisition regulation. The contracting officers that enabled
that they need to go and they need to be
held account them. Those are specific you know, hello pete
knock knock, not just uh firts marshals, but you need
to hunt down those CEOs and they need to pay
(31:13):
a price for what they did.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
You know, maybe we could take some of the two
point two billion that we're taken from Harvard and give
it to micro and uh uh, get some young people
out there and get get them rebuild in America right
before and bringing health back to America, starting local farms.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
And locals the people they need to build the goddamn
submarines not available, get with it. That's right.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Amen, Well sir uh again. I just.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
The magnitude of respect that I have for you and
the the battle that you've been fighting is beyond inspirational
to me. It's it's definitely implicated a radical shift in
the way I perceive reality in the world itself and
has invigorated me to go beyond what I used to
think was the necessity and now into the space to
(32:14):
bring the light to the truth of what's taking place.
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So, doctor Malone, where can people follow you?
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Find you? And and and more importantly you know what
advice do you have? Then?
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Moving forward?
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Speaker 3 (34:27):
Outstanding, God bless you, sir.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Thanks for having me on. Dude H
Was your mind blown with the first episode with Doctor
Robert Malone. Will stand by because in this episode we
tackle bio weapons research and development and whether or not
the world is prepared for the next pandemic. Join me
in Doc on the David Rutherford Ship. You know, we
(00:20):
have all of these uh let's call them stakeholders around
the world who are all, you know, out there pontificating about, oh,
the next one is going to be the big one, the.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Next one, all that existential fear that's great, you're gonna die,
You're gonna.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Die, conditioning, that conditioning.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
And so for me, you know that that ability for
you to be uh you know that that you know,
really powerful guide to this. You know, if if that
should happen, and you know, if if you're listening, you know,
don't be afraid call your local congressman or call HHS
(01:02):
and and advocate for doctor Malone to at least, you know,
be consultant on all this all these things. But for me,
it's really about you know, bio weapons research, which I
believe is ultimately the core of what we're dealing with
right now. And so you know, my my last kind
(01:24):
of you know, spectrum of your analysis that I would
love you to, you know, share with us, is where
are we right now in terms of gain of function,
in terms of the NGOs that we're outsourcing it, where
it's being outsources?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
You know, where are we now?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
And what does the current battle space of bio weapons
research and development look like? And what would you see
like to see happen in the next you know, six
months with that?
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Okay, So there, UH And and the CCP has made
made hay out of the fact that the United States
didn't sign the more recent UH attempted by a warfare treatment.
But the truth is that neither did anybody else, including
the c CP. It was basically dropped and so it's
defaulted back to the original agreement, which is like cheese
(02:23):
clock UH. And UH. Notably and you're probably were coached
in this UH in your training. UH. The UH existing
agreement does not prohibit UH the development and deployment of
(02:43):
agents which are non lethal.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
UH.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
So these are referred to in d D space as
incapacitating agents. And one of those that is on the
you know, at the forefront of potentially deployment as an
incapacitating agent because it has various characteristics are the equine
encephalitis viruses that have been weaponized in various ways because
(03:08):
they create you basically get an encephalitis, you get AH.
What that translates to is you get a wicked, bad
headache and it's infectious through your nose, so you can
breathe it in UH and it potentially can be weaponized.
And so that's why there's so much emphasis on trying
to develop vaccines against UH the encephalitis viruses UH, and
(03:34):
those would meet criteria as an incapacitating agent rather than
as a formal biowarfare lethal agent. UH. All of this
to understand this bizarre space and an adjacency is also
the kind of the super soldier augmented uh H world
(04:00):
of individuals war fighters augmented genetically and through implantable devices,
which leads straight into the transhumanism world. And if you
think that Elon musk snarlink is all about treating soldiers
(04:20):
that and others that have had traumatic injuries, I have
a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. We've written about
this in our sub stack now going back three or
four years and documented for people provided links to various
NATO publications that all basically justify r and d in
(04:47):
this kind of biodefense, biowarfware, transhumanism, super soldier space based
on the logic that is virtually ad to the logic
that was deployed with thermonuclear warfare, which is mutually assured destruction.
Them guys are doing it, and if we don't do it,
(05:10):
we're going to get left behind, and then we're going
to be facing Chinese super soldiers that are going to
march across the world and we have no defense. Is
the short version of that story. And underneath that, it's
important to recognize, and I've heard this from multiple sources,
credible sources, CIA sources, DITRO sources that the logic of
(05:37):
the let's call it investment in the Wuhan Institute of
Virology was based on the logic that had been successfully
prosecuted in trying to neutralize the risk of former Soviet
Union thermonuclear warfare experts that were no longer employed in
(06:00):
a collapsing Soviet Union economy and therefore were basically available
as hired guns. And as if that wasn't bad enough,
there was also the loose nukes that were available on
the free market that I don't know how many movies
have been built around that. You know, Tom Cruise would
probably be half of alcmrose Is if there was for
(06:22):
that storyline. So but it's it was all real and
and uh Ditrad did some important work in threat reduction,
and that threat reduction logic of you're going to have
to pay some of these scientists to keep them from
doing bad stuff and working for the bad guys uh IF,
(06:45):
and so it's justified to subsidize them. That the WIV
investment was partially about that. But the thing is that
the CCP is not a collapsed Soviet union free for
all environment. Uh CCP is very centralized and very astute
(07:07):
and has very clear, very long term objectives. And so
they basically said, yeah, right, you know, we'll, we'll. The
other part of the logic was that some mole somewhere
revealed to the CCP and the People's Liberation Army the
(07:32):
names of CIA personal assets throughout communists China, and they
pretty much all got killed in their families, tortured, and
many of them got killed too. So suddenly the CIA
was blind in terms of human intelligence and at a time,
(07:56):
and you know, I used CIA metaphorically for the entire
uh defense intelligence and and the entire intelligence complex. And
uh So that was the other part of the justification
is a kind of uh uh better to get some intelligence,
(08:20):
even if we're having to functionally pay for it by
subsidizing WIV, then to have none, then to have no
intelligence about what the CCP and and the p l
A are doing in terms of building bioweapons and and
bioweapon countermeasures, because that's that's the key thing is you
(08:41):
can't deploy a bioweapon unless you've got the counter measure.
You kind of got to build both at the same time.
Uh So that's that's what went down there. Uh And
it's part of this whole uh you know, I put
out the uh my essays really early on about the
(09:01):
Ukraine bio labs, and I reached back to the old
Mad magazine Spy versus Spy because it's it remains the
perfect metaphor.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
And you know, and I and I had this one
clip of spy vers the spy and they both have
they're both about to push down the on on us
some sticks of dynamite.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
They're going to blow up the other one. They're both
sitting there getting ready to blow up each other. That's
pretty much captures the logic initially assured destruction. Uh and
uh so, uh all of this is deemed essential because
(09:43):
the logic that they're doing and everybody's doing it, and
so we have to do it too. And uh, I
don't know how to break the loop on that. That's
that's a that's a President Trump level question, beyond beyond
our portfolio, you and me. But that's what's going on,
(10:03):
and is it Is this sustainable? In the so not
just not to engage in my own fair porn, but
please audience understand that modern biotechnology is at a level
right now, I'll say it this way. During the sixties,
(10:27):
up until Nixon's determination that we were going to stop
doing this, A case can be made that modern virology,
molecular biology, and microbiology exist because of the massive spending
that occurred in advancing the bio warfare agenda. The heads
(10:50):
of the American Society for Microbiology for years were the
leaders in the kind of usamrid by a warfare world.
Uh it that technology platform that has given us the
RNA and in gene therapy and and uh PCR and
(11:11):
all that comes out of this massive investment, and uh
it it is dark. It as Bobby talks about in
this other book uh wuhuon Lablink. It followed the real
Anthony Fauci. It has roots in both German and in
(11:33):
particular Japanese by warfare programs, and the Japanese buy a
warfare program was particularly.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Nasty, wasn't that Unit seven four one?
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yeah? I think you have more So they would they
would take prisoners of war and they actually fed him
pretty well. Uh. But the price of being healthy was
that they would experiment on life people. They would inoculate,
you'd stick your arm through a chamber and they would
(12:05):
jabb you with whatever the agent was. And my understanding
is they would perform live autoxies. I mean the ethics there.
But a lot of those people kind of got Verner
von Braund into usamrid. So that's the core from what
our modern bio industrial defense complex grew. So no surprise
(12:30):
that there's some pretty sketchy ethics in that space. And
so it's still ongoing now. A key key thing to
understand is that after the Anthrax letters, and that, as
far as I'm concerned, that is still unresolved. It's reeks
a high habit.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
As a personal note, I think I have about eight
anthrax shots in me, to which I never got a
clear answer as to why other than you, Oh, you're
going to the Middle East. You're going to be exposed
to antrax. And there's no doubt in my mind. It
has affected my metabolic stability, it's affected neurologic aspect.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Yeah, and that's why the law was put in place.
That is the basis for Pete Hegseth's announcement.
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Speaker 3 (14:08):
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Speaker 2 (14:08):
Oh yeah, that's why the law was put in place. Uh.
That is the basis for Pete hag Seth's announcement that
the UH mandated administration of unlicensed vaccines by the Pentagon
chain of command, that Captain Tomlinson has the three ring
(14:34):
binders on for all that whole chain of that that
those orders. You know, a JAG level Navy captain I'm
based out of Big Island, who I've met with and
you know, talk to, so she's got proceeds. Uh. And
you know, as I said in another essay, I'm waiting
(14:57):
for the courts martials. But that law was put in
place because of soldiers like yourself and what you experienced
with for syndrome and the anthrax vaccines. But what happened
was getting back on thread when those spores were deployed
(15:18):
and they had the characteristics of weaponized anthrax spores because
normally anthrax sportes will clump and then you can't distribute
them through aerosol and it takes some fancy stuff to
make them so they don't clump. And the analysis of
those little sport packages demonstrated that whoever put those spores
(15:43):
in those packages had access to weaponized material. And the
decision was that it didn't come from Los Alamos, which
couldn't come from it didn't come from Bettel, which could
have come from It came from Usavrin. And there was
a hole and the Bruce Ivens got harassed. He was
(16:06):
unstable anyhow, he committed suicide, and everybody said, oh, it
was Bruce Ivan's case solved and we can go back
to work. But the blowback from that was Tony Fauci
was able to make the case UH organizationally with the
(16:26):
government that the do O D had screwed the pooch
and they couldn't be relied upon to responsibly and efficiently
develop medical countermeasures. And so Naiad was so much better
(16:47):
at this than the d o D, which was a
total self serving lie. But and and all you have
to do is look at what he's done with the
money ever since UH. And you know a lot of
programs that were on track are now no longer on track. UH.
(17:07):
But that was that allowed him to become dual headed,
heading up NAIAD and also heading up the entire military
bio warfare complex. And that's what was used to justify
because of these increased responsibilities this major bump in pay
that he got that made him the most highly compensated,
(17:28):
better employee. So that's that's you know, people don't recognize it.
Fauci was sitting at the tip of the pyramid of
just a massive amount of money that goes back to
World War Two. And uh so that structure has still
(17:51):
not been reorganized to the best of my knowledge. Uh.
And uh that is that's a inter agency issue that
somebody under hag Seth has got to have a pow
wow with Jay Bodicharia and split the baby again as
(18:13):
far as I'm concerned, And then we've got to have
some serious thinking about what the heck are we doing here,
because and that feeds into the President's recent executive order
getting back to your core topic of GATA function research. So,
(18:33):
bless his heart, Bobby has made a serious of statements
and he's kind of gotten ahead of his keys on
that executive order. He said that President Trump has endorsed
a total ban of gay and function Researchay, let's examine it.
What the executive order really does is it creates some
more obstacles for federally funded gain to function research, a
(18:58):
little more oversight. So it's turned up the GNOB a
little bit on the oversight of gain of function research
and the approval process. So it's created some more bureaucracy,
but that bureaucracy can be corrupted, you know. Now we're
in the future by just making sure that you get
the right appointments in those positions, and then they'll just
(19:19):
like the visa courts, they'll just bless whatever, throw holy
water on it, say go forth. And it does nothing
to address the privately funded gain of function research that occurs.
That stat News itself documented and I testified to the
(19:42):
Texas Senate about that there was gata function research going
on in the University of Texas system underfunding by Pfizer
having to do with novel coronavirus. This is still ongoing.
And you know, then we had the reveal of the
surreptitious uh CCP funded shop at California. God only knows
(20:05):
how many of those are. But basically, if if Blackrock
decides that it's appropriate that your new co do gain
to function research, uh, and they capitalize it. I'm just
picking on black Rock right right.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
They're the easiest.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah, they're they're low hanging fruit. Uh So, Uh, there's
nothing that President Trump's executive has to say about that.
It's only about federal research. So we're a long way.
I wish it was so these forward looking statements. Let's
say that Bobby's making, but we're a long way from
(20:50):
a band on gain to function research in the United States.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Over well, thank thank you for that answer.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
The last little bit is I always want to leave
the audience on positive night, those happy warriors, right. We
want to get him fired up after we just gave
him a pretty heavy dose of a dose of reality,
which is what the whole.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Show's intense intent is. And to contextualize it.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
All right, you know one of my other heroes from
from you know, your community and what you're doing is
Peter McCullough. And you know he appears to have some
type of protocol that that enables people who might have
suffered some type of vaccine injury or some type of adverse.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
I'm going to catch you off there, okay. Uh. Peter
works for the Wellness Company. Okay, And the Wellness Company
sells treatment kits uh that are have a combination of
licensed pharmaceuticals and nutriceuticals. The Wellness Company is extremely relatitious. Uh.
(22:03):
The Wellness company has sent me cease and desist orders. Uh,
and many other physicians.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
The Wellness Company is now suing Kelly means Ah. So
I just I just cannot comment on Peter, the Wellness Company,
Kelly Victory h a lot of this now now I'm
no longer talking about the Wellness Company. I just want
(22:31):
to be clear on that. Yeah. Yeah, A lot of
the dissension that has occurred within the base can be
traced to people that are associated with the Wellness Company. Wow.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Wow, that's disheartening to hear, sir, it really is.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
And I and it's kryptonite for me. I cannot talk
about Peter McCullough and what he does. H. Like I said,
I've had a you know, me and others have received
very aggressive, seasoned assist letters. And if I say anything
about Peter McCullough, then you know, I get a whole
bunch of blowback about how I'm.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Just I understand sir, all right, So let's put that
off to the side. Then what in your mind is
there a way forward to some type of medical development
or protocol in the future that will help all these
(23:31):
people who have so?
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Yeah that this so David, what so I suggest that
the approach here is to go higher level. Okay, these
the people that are vaccine damaged are real. Mickey Willis
just came out with a video last night. It was
(23:55):
published open source about these peopleople that are are not
able to be heard. They've been censored so heavily. Maddie
to Gary being just one examp. So the Special Vaccine
Court for COVID has been set up to compensate people
(24:17):
that are damaged by these products. And they've given out
a tiny handful of settlements that average a few thousand dollars.
And meanwhile they've spent over ten million dollars defending their
positions and holding their little meetings and being for their
consultants and all that trap. They're not actually helping anybody
(24:37):
in any real way. If I had my way, we
would have a reco case here against the perps that
have conspired and manipulated and censored and propagandized and everything else,
and a kin to the tobacco settlement. Uh In, in
(25:04):
my best of all possible worlds, this would be pursued
in the same way the tobacco settlement was with by
the States. So get it away from the fence and Uh,
the proceeds of such a case would be used to
make right the best of your ability those that have
(25:28):
suffered injuries due to these policies. And that's that's broadly written.
It's not just the JAB, it's it's huge damage to
small businesses that's been very well documented by the lockdowns
and so many other things. Ah that that and not
to mention, god, the damage to our children child from
(25:54):
the educational system. I mean that teachers union that is
run by this buddy of Hillary Clinton that was responsible
for influencing michae Olensky. Uh, that that one needs to
be taken out.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
So that's that's Uh. If I if I you know,
if if Donald Trump invited me down tomorrow lago and
we had a dinner and heart to heart and he said,
what can I possibly do here? I I've had an epiphany,
and uh I want to make it better. I'd say, uh,
(26:32):
find a way just at the start two, make things
right to the best of your ability. Uh, the vaccine injured,
and then uh think about how you know being somebody
is coming from a libertarian framework, I'm skeptical of the
(26:52):
ability of the government to do anything without throwing things
up but uh, and I'm you know, I don't see
the state as our friend, but the state is responsible
for this and as a significant life.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
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Speaker 3 (27:58):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Ye, the state is responsible for this in a significant way,
and you out own it and and figure out not
just how to create some prepare for the vaccine injured,
but the broader issue of this whole lost generation and
(28:27):
and their education. You know, they represent, particularly young men,
represent an enormous resource with the United States that's underutilized
right now at a time when we are desperately seeking
a people qualified to do let's call it dirty jobs,
(28:49):
work with their hands, and those are six figure incomes
to be an HVAC person or an electrician, mechanical engineer,
et cetera. We desperately need those people. And if they
have been deprived of uh the necessary training to enter
the trades or otherwise because of the school policies, then uh,
(29:18):
and let's think hard about the federal government capitalizing training programs.
And and I personally, ah would uh you know it's
this is this is really pushing the edge, just coming
from a fan of Amsa's institute, but uh, the work
(29:43):
projects that we're done in the context of the depression,
we we need some sort of a national program to
put our own people back to work. And and this
whole oh, we're just gonna import a a bunch of
Latinos and Chinese and everybody else from an open border
(30:05):
to replace our missing personnel. Cohort, I'm sorry that that
is not how you maintain a nation. We need to
take ore of our own. So that's where I come
down on this, as I really think that somebody needs
to get the cahunas to prosecute Rico against these players,
(30:31):
and it probably has to go at the state level
because of the indemnification has been provided by Defence and
that has there's also, by the way, this is inside baseball,
but the utilization of the other transactional authority to acquire
these products, which is not what it's intended for in
(30:53):
bypassing the federal acquisition regulation. The contracting officers that enabled
that they need to go and they need to be
held account them. Those are specific you know, hello pete
knock knock, not just uh firts marshals, but you need
to hunt down those CEOs and they need to pay
(31:13):
a price for what they did.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
You know, maybe we could take some of the two
point two billion that we're taken from Harvard and give
it to micro and uh uh, get some young people
out there and get get them rebuild in America right
before and bringing health back to America, starting local farms.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
And locals the people they need to build the goddamn
submarines not available, get with it. That's right.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Amen, Well sir uh again. I just.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
The magnitude of respect that I have for you and
the the battle that you've been fighting is beyond inspirational
to me. It's it's definitely implicated a radical shift in
the way I perceive reality in the world itself and
has invigorated me to go beyond what I used to
think was the necessity and now into the space to
(32:14):
bring the light to the truth of what's taking place.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
So, doctor Malone, where can people follow you?
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Find you? And and and more importantly you know what
advice do you have? Then?
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Moving forward?
Speaker 2 (32:28):
They can find me at Gulf Skulture otherwise known as Madison, Virginia.
But all kidding aside, thanks for the opportunity to pump
my own merch that would be Substackbelone dot News. The
books the lies my government told me I'm a better
(32:50):
future coming, and the books I wore enforcing the New
World Order are officially available wherever good books are sold. Increasingly,
that just comes down to Amazon. The audio book that
I recorded here in the studio late at night because
of my motorcycle writing over perfect now it can only
(33:15):
be accessed through Amazon. I'm sorry, but a lot of
people like that. It's actually more accurate than the Cywar
book because as I was reading it, I picked up errors,
the typos in the book itself, and they're corrected in
the audiobook. So if you like audio books, that's a
good one. And then there's we have a website RW
(33:38):
Malone and B and you can find find that. I'm
on Parlor now. I'm an ambassador for Parlor and for
what it's worth, Parlor is blockchain protected yay. And of
course X and social and gab. I'm sorry, get her
(34:04):
dot gab. I have an account on gab, but it
just got too too much, too much uh and uh
too much free speech having uh Israeli conflict. Let's say,
uh yeah, so uh those are all at R. W. Malone,
(34:25):
M D.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Outstanding, God bless you, sir.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Thanks for having me on. Dude H
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