November 8, 2021 • 27 mins
The Doughertys have just lead law enforcement on yet another high speed chase, this time through several counties on Colorado’s I-25. The siblings luck seems to have run out as Ryan’s pedal to the metal driving causes their car to flip over multiple times ultimately landing on a guardrail. The crash has left them shaken but, law enforcement will learn, no less full of fight.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
My reactions are slow. I feel like I'm underwater. Is
this happening? I keep looking around, expecting to wake up.
That would be great to wake up and realize this
whole thing is a dream, one big, long, bad dream.
But that is not reality. This is life, real life
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in my face. I can't run and hide this time,
not like I usually do. I looked down and see
my gun. Something in my head tells me to grab it.
You might need it later on down the road, my
trusty buddy. When I feel weak my strength, when I
feel scared, I grab it and run. I try to
clear the guardrail and have to stumble over at one
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leg at a time. I only get about twenty ft.
When I sent a presents to my right, I turn
and lift my arm to show them my gun. As
my arm straightens, I fell fire, a line of heat,
pressing my body down. I dropped to a ground in
a fetal position. All I know is pain. It's a
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stream finding its way all over my body, then returning
to my leg. I think I'm making noise, but I
can't hear much. I thrash around, trying to escape the pain,
breathing hard, gasping for breath. I feel fire again and again.
Where is it? Where am I hit? I know it
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is my lower body, but I can't bring my head
level to see it. I roll onto my back and
lift my head. There is blood, a fair amount of blood.
Welcome to The Docherty Gang, a production of I Heart
Radio and Katie Studios, Episode eight. She's obviously not dead.
I'm Courtney Armstrong, a crime producer at Katie Studios with
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Stephanie Lydecker. We've been working with producer Beth Greenwald on
The Docherty Gang for months now. These three siblings have
agreed to tell their story for the very first time,
each from separate prisons. Lee Grace Dockerty is at the
Federal Correction Institute Aliceville in Alabama. Ryan Docherty is in
the U S Penitentiary Tucson in Arizona, and Dylan Docherty
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is at the Federal Correction Institute in Bennettsville, South Carolina.
Let's call us in a try and get out, can't
get out of my door, try and kick my window.
Grace and Dylan were already out of the car, and
then we're trying to get to the firearms that are
in the rear, in the trunk of the trunk has
already been ripped open. It's already scattered a bunch of guns.
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One of the AMMO boxes, I think, crunch one of
the a ks, like one of the a ks. You
see it spread out on the inter state. In August tenth,
two thousand eleven, the Docherties reached the end of their adventure.
After a shootout with police, a bank heist, and across
country chase, the law finally caught up with the trio
on Colorado's Highway. Reaching speeds of up to a hundred
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and forty miles per hour, their white Subaru flipped over
and landed nose first onto a highway guard rail. No
one in the car. I was wearing a seatbelt. Ryan
and Dylan explain what happened after the wreck. It's literally
threw me out of the vehicle. When we rolled over.
There was a gun that broke over, you know, the
stock of a gun broken, you know, because I was
holding onto it. You know, I had no shoes on it.
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I was barefoot. You know. That's that's another thing. Whenever
you get hit by a car for some reaching, your
shoes come flying off. Ryan wasn't thinking clearly, I'm gonna
try and use the car to keep it between me
and the police. And I'm gonna try and shoot it
out right down the street because I really don't want
to go to prison. I'd rather just die in the
street than go to prison for the rest of my life.
And I told him, as the man, we need a car,
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bro I'll grab us a car. And I had my
own mental plans in my head and I was waiting
on the car. Really, my first reaction after that type
of rollover car accident is obviously to get out of
the car, because you're such a taste clarity escape. You
want to be on to put your feeble solid ground.
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And when I got out, something just told me just
to reach for my done. It was between my ankle,
and I pulled it up and I put it on.
The kind of told it to me, and then I
out of the vehicle. This all happened literally inside it
just I kind of rolled out of the vehicle and
I was looking for Jill and Ryan. Ryan just takes
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off as it is he sees that we're okay, and
you know, I honestly I thought there was a chair
to thinking away. Obviously there was a lot of officers
and but you know we had gotten away in Florida.
Former Wallsonburgh police Chief Jim Chamberlain was one of the
first to confront the Doughertyes. The driver got out and
he started running, and I believe that was Ryan. I'm
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the youngest. So I got out of my patrol car
and went around the back, jumped over the guard rail,
went down the embankment, kind of running after him. First,
I yelled at him, stop police. He was in a
full sprint. I could see both hands. It didn't look
like he had a gun on him, so I was like, Okay, well,
I guess he's gone. So I turned to look and
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that's when I said Lee Grace coming down the embankment
and she had something in her hands, and at that
time I couldn't really tell what it was. So I
was just running and I felt a presence or I
heard a noise behind me, and I just turned and
I just, for some reason something just told me, you know,
get this cough away from you. I've heard something. I
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don't remember exactly what he said. I'm sure he was
stop freeze, I'm going to shoot. And I just raised
up my gun to him too, getting him away for
me to push him away, do you know, to war him,
Dylan crawled around to the rear of the car. I
was trying to climb into the back of the car
and the trunk of the car. You know, I had
no shoes, so I was trying to get a pair
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of shoes out of the trunk of the car. And
once I've heard them, and I was like looking over
the edge of that, you know. You know, the trunk
was really high in the air too, and I was
wondering why my arm wasn't working. I kept trying to
grab the trunk and like kind of like you know,
voice myself up, you know, reach into the trunk on
my right arm, which just wasn't really there wasn't a
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lot of movement that in it. And I remember looking
up that lawn rampanty and I remember one of them
had a twelve gage Have you ever looked at a
twelve gage barrel? But it's it's you know, it's it's
about the side of your thumb, you know, in diameter.
And the other one had I think one of them
had a a r kid leeen. Another one had a
what's called mini fourteen whist, you know, a ruger, you know,
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kind of like assault rifle. I was looking at the
stuff those gun barrels, and they were coming down the thing.
They were stringing it up like, oh my ground, weren't
blow your bodies back down? Well. A group of officers
were focused on Dylan. Chief Chamberlain set his sights. Only
Grace had my gun out. UM started focusing on her. Um.
She was doing so many with her hands that looked
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like to me, she was trying to get the action
of a gun. Talked back to start shooting, yelled at her.
Police dropped the gun, Police dropped the gun, Police dropped
the gun. And the third time I said that, she
looked up at me and stopped and spread her legs
a little bit. Started reason the gun that she had
towards me, and I fired two rounds at her, hit her.
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She spun around, dropped the gun and fell on the ground.
So I started moving up on her because she still
had the gun next to her, and all of a sudden,
I'm shot. I'm just rolling around like an animal. It's
extreme pain, like hot fire poker. It's just throw my
leg and I'm just screaming, and you know, I can
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kind of sense my brother dealing close to me. But
I'm trying to figure out where he got. The other
brother was by the trunk. He kept looking in the
trunk for something, so I told him get out of
the trunk, get on the ground, and he kind of
looked at me over his shoulder, but I still had
my gun pointed at his sister because she still had
the gun next to her. Then I heard the shot,
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and I heard the grace kind of like collar and
screaming it, and I got right back up off the ground,
looked up at him again, told him to get on
the ground. He turned, got down on his knees, looked
over and saw where his sister was stood up and
started walking towards her. And that's when I transitioned my
gun from her to him and told him to get
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on the ground, put his face on the pavement where
I'll shoot him too, But Dylan defied the police. Once
I got up, I walked over to the other side
of the on ramp, you know, like to from one
guard rail to the other, and I looked over down
the hill and Lee Race was there, and she was
kind of like rolling around on the ground and she
was given the offense and Navy salute of sorts and
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she was like holding her butt and I was like, wow,
unless she's holding her button pussing at the guy, so
she's obviously not dead. The whole time they were screaming
at me to get down, and I kind of like
blocked out that with their verbal assault on me, and
then I kind of like I turned and started looking
back up the eggs a ramp at the officers and
once to and I started here and there directives to
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get down on the ground. And by this point they
had closed the distance and they were maybe andy year
sixte me away. You know, they weren't real close, but
they were close enough for me to have seen them.
And at that point I was just like, man, I said, well,
I said, I really don't want to die heart kind
of the road ground. I went down to just drop
down on my knees and then kind of just sort
of fell forward on the ground, and you know, the
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name rushed up on me and go with about in
chief Chamberlayne ran over to Lee Grace and then I
asked her to re hit. He said yes. I asked
her where she said in the hip. I was like, okay,
so I'm looking. There's no gushing blood or anything, so
I grabbed her, turn her over handcuffer, and while I'm
handcuffing her, I looked up and I saw it like
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seven or eight law enforcement officers up on top of
the overpass or not the overpass, but beyond ramp, and
they were all, you know, rifles and shotguns and tacked
to all vests and stuff. And I'm like, well, I
know over half those guys, so hopefully I'm not gonna
get shocked. Right is gone? Ryan just takes off like
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running through this feel all I see is like just
coming up behind him with his boots. I think Dylan
had injuries. He had a fractured arm or fractured although
maybe his arm was broken. I just see Ryan to
take off just like a rocket, and he's just falling
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off of these work boots, and then he's gone. He
just disappeared. He ran so fast across that field. And
then all of a sudden, I'm on the right with
under screaming in pain. And that was just the situation.
Everything happened so fast. It was like a dream. You know,
you're movie, but you don't person his control of your
limbs and I sure we're looking for the sky is
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being covered with her Chief Chamberlain was on vacation that day,
but when he heard the Docerts were shooting at officers,
he joined the pursuit, and with fourteen years on the forest,
it was only the second time in the line of
duty that he had fired a gun. So I went
from thinking that I was just going to be back
up to oh, crept, there they all are, no vest
I was in a T shirt and jeans, nothing really
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that I identified me as a police officer. Meanwhile, Ryan
fled across a four lane highway. I remember seeing my
sister gets shot, not like her whole body, I just
happened to remember, like from her lower body. I remember
seeing like the front of her jeans, like a puff
of the material of the jenes Un. And all this
is as I jumped over the side of the guard rail.
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And then there was a barbed wire fence like about
eight or ten feet away from there, and I ran
fast as they could. But I knew I wasn't gonna
be you know, I don't have mad hops. I'm not
gonna be able to clear the top of this barb
wire fence. I superman threw it. Ryan had no idea
that Dylan was in custody, and he was determined to
follow Dylan's plan. I try and run for a gas
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station that's across the street, because they have cars sitting
there and like some of them look like they're still
running because it's a little called out in the exhausted
coming out, and I don't see anybody in the car,
so I'm in assuming that what they did is had
their car on pulled up to the gas station. It's
a kind of Poe dunk enough area to where the
people are still trusty enough to leave their keys in
car running, go inside, grab a pack of smokes and
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the drink, and come back and get back in their
car and leave. So I'm going to go snap someone's
car because ours is come back around the interstate exit,
run over whoever I have to run over and pick
up my brother and sister. Ryan did not count on
the bravery of some ordinary citizens who just happened to
see him. Here's one of them, David Vostitch. He ran
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towards this little diner that was that's just right off
the highway there by a truck stop, and I just
happened to be coming down this other road. I had
my mom in the truck with me, and we come
down the road there and there was this guy standing
in the middle of the road right in front of me,
and I noticed there was a bunch of people outside
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the diner, and I slowed way down, and this guy
tried to open up the door when I drove by
on my truck. Ryan continues, one of the cars that
I've seen, like a nice little markety Grand Marquis. I
fucking like old lady goes and gets into our fucking car,
and I'm like, ship, I can't you know, I still
have screw booth. I'm like, funk, I can't dump this
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lady out onto our face to get her car, you
know what I'm saying. And I just kept running because
they seemed like a little Honda that was across the street,
park right in front of the fucking Dominoes, and you know,
look like I had exhaust make bone out of it.
David picks up the story. So I told my mom,
I said, I don't know what's going on. We ain't
gonna have nothing to this. So I spun around there
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and I noticed people were chased him across the road.
Then I don't know what come over me. I just
you know, I saw a couple of guys were chasing him,
and I thought I jumped out of the truck and
went after. I thought the guy robbed a diner. It
wasn't very long when I caught up to him, because
when he fun around and he acted like he had
a gun in his hands right there, I was already
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jumping over a fence going after him. And that's when
he tried to take that shortcut through that pawn in there.
I remember telling him, don't go down in there, and
he went down through there, and I told him, you're
fucking idiot. I remember that now we're running through that stuff,
because when he was gonna go down in there, I
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think he thought that that was just a pawn and
he was gonna just get out there in the middle
of the pond and not letting anybody get to him.
And then he just sunk because he turned and got
right out of it right away, and that's when he
drove off down in the brush there, and and then
that was when I was right on him. When he
got out of that brush, I was right there on him.
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We're going to take a quick break here. We'll be
back in a moment. Producer Beth Greenwall to speaks with Ryan.
How long were you running for? Do you think four minutes? Maybe?
And did you have to go through any brush? Yeah?
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Actually fucking ran through like a bullshit, like a spill
over pepe of pond for like sucking cows and ship
and like just ran through some ship bramble brush fucking
three four tall like sage brush, just like scrub brush shit.
Here again is David Bustich. One of the guys stayed
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behind because he was on the phone with the dispatcher
and the other guy. I don't know where he went
at the time. I caught up with the guy there
in the arroyo there, and when I caught up to him,
I told me he's to quit running, and he told me, well,
if I don't, they're gonna kill me. They're gonna kill me.
I don't like nobody's gonna kill you. But you don't
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need you know. I told him, you didn't need to
scare my mom in the truck like he did, trying
to jerk the door open and stuff. And the other
guy was yelling at me, you just need to take
him down, just take him down. You need to catch him.
So I just brought him to the ground right there,
and he put up a little fight and I was
able to hold him down on the ground there and
he kind of just gave up. Then he said, I'm done.
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I'm done. Runned. Ryan was covered in sewage from the pond,
and he was exhausted. As I was running from the
bushes from here to there, I kind of smoked out.
You know, I'm not a fantastic tat conditioning or whatever.
I'm not a fucking runner at heart, and like the
adrenaline only pushes you so far and then your body
mackes out so like slowed to like a slow trot.
And some random Captain Savaho type fucking weirdo people tried
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to like follow me, and you know, eventually I just
gave up. I was like, fuck it. You know, there's
not there's nothing left to do. There's nothing left here
to do. Here again is David Lucetich. We escorted him
up out of that arroya because none of the officers
could find us. We were way probably a couple miles
away from from the accident by then, and we walked
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him out back out to the road there so they
could find us. In A state patrolman finally come down
the road there and he saw us out there, and
we flagged him down and he came over and jumped
on the guy, and the two civilions brought me to
the side of the road with him, and the fucking
cops and paramedics were there, and like the cops helped
me pinned down with some guns. I remember him cuffing
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manship and kneeling on my back, on my neck and
fucking drive my face into the dirt. And then remember
the paramedics syn care. I remember the paramedics being like
super nice to me. I'm a charming guy no matter
who it is, and I'm around and I managed to
charm them and and they were really nice to me
and then meant a lot. That was cool. When did
you realize that this guy had been on, you know,
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multi state chase? At this point, I didn't know anything
about him. See, I live out here on a ranch
and the news isn't the biggest thing to turn on
in the house at the time. I had no clue
who they were. I didn't even know any of that
was going on. I didn't even know there was a
high speed chase going on with them shooting at the officers.
Me and my mom were going to run back into
town and get gas for the four wheeler, so she
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kind of just jumped in the truck with me and
we went back into town there, and it was just
crazy there. I never never seen so many news vehicles
in my life down here in this small little town.
And I pulled into the gas station and there was
news people like running up on me, and I'm like, well, gee,
I don't know what this guy, you know, did and
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everything else, and they're all want to ask me questions
and stuff. And that's when like, I don't know if
you want to call him, like the head of the
state patrol, and I think a cb I officer came
up to me and wanted to talk to me. So
they pulled me into the hotel there and they put
me in a room there and then they explained to
me what had been going on with these people and stuff.
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Then I was just sitting there kind of like all
in shock, like wow, okay, this just happened. Chief Jim
Chamberlain picks up the story. The state troopers got over
there and assisted as well to get him handcuffed, even
though he turned around a couple of times and made
a motion like he had a gun, but they didn't
see a gun, so they took him into custody and
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troopers got him and then they loaded him up into
an ambulance and took him to the hospital with Ryan
and custody. The chase was finally over. I wanted to
let you know we've got our crime senior and route
to the fifty two right now. We also Colorado City, Okay.
Former Colorado FBI agent Phil Nidringhouse was assigned to the
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Dockerty case. When they landed in Colorado, the FBI radar
room told me that they had said, you know, shots fired,
pursued happening, and then they updated me and said that
vehicle crash and all free in custody. At that point
I got on the phone and I was talking to
my boss and he said, well, whyn't you just keep
going and go down there and see what you can
do to help out and handle the media stuff down there.
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A fleet of flashing lights ended the family affair for
the Doherty gang because they were taken into custody Wednesday
and put low Colorado. We continuously said that these three
fugitives wanted a battle with law enforcement. We will win
that battle and that's what happened today. Ryan, Dylan, and
Lee Grace Dockerty were all arrested and brought to a
local hospital. Here's Dylan. They were dragging me out of
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there and put me on a stretcher board and took
me to the hospital. And I don't really remember a
lot of that. They kind of had my head to
take to that. I think I was he handcuffed to it,
perhaps leg shackle too. I really don't remember exactly what
all restraints they had put on me, although I was,
you know, ratchet strapped into that. I think the paramics
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and they showed up. They probably took one look at
the car and too well, he really shouldn't be up
walking around, you know. I remember a nurse leaned over me,
and you know, because my mom was a nurse for
thirty five years, I was like, sweete, better cover your ears.
And I think she knew what I was gonna do,
so she covered her ears and I yelled for Len Grayson. Ryan.
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You know, I just told him I loved him, and
then the tops of gos shot out and you know,
I'll be quiet, you know, And and but I said
when I wanted to say, and they heard me and
then they yelled back. It was just really weird, the
whole car accident, and you know, the couples were all
they were there before the dust you know, I have
even finished billowing to its height, you know what I mean.
They were there as a car crashed, and you know,
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some of the officers were like, man, we thought we
were just coming up on some dead people in that car.
And then he's like, and we get up there, you
have already jumped out, you know, running in seventeen different directions,
and we were fortunate. I'm not for sure on you
know what the rest of my life is gonna unfold
to be, but you know, I guess that we weren't
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meant to guy in a car accident. Let's stop here
for another quick break. We'll be back in a moment.
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The siblings mother, Barbara Belle, told us how she felt
when she found out her children were captured. I was
so sure that they one of them probably had been shot,
or maybe all of them, that I couldn't even walk.
I crawled to the door in my filthy T shirt.
And the person who ran the campground was very kind
to us. He came up and said, they got him.
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They're all alive, and I was very relieved to hear that,
but of course there was so much misinformation bandied about.
I had no idea that all three of my children
had been injured. My one son had a broken arm,
my youngest had sprained ankle, and my daughter had been
shot in the leg which barely missed her femoral artery.
And I didn't find out all the details until later.
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I was extremely hard to find anything out from anybody
because her phone was compromised. And I think I'm going
to stop there on that. I can't Devastation doesn't even
describe it on how I felt, and I'm sure I
just I was baffled. I couldn't understand. Pascal County Sheriff
Chris Naco was tracking the Docerty case from Florida. Beth
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spoke with him. So you surprised that they were caught alive.
I mean they were still running and still trying to
fight until that last moment. We all had a very
strong understanding that just you know, it wasn't gonna end.
He fully that we believed it was gonna be all
outshoot out, which you know, officers out in Colorado had
a shoot you know again they're shooting. Thank god, the
officers were okay, you know, no, any loss of life
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is horrible, you know, no, I wants any loss of
life out there. Detective Tim Harris, also from Pascal County, Florida,
remembers when he got the call that the docrities were caught.
When we've finally got the information that they had been apprehended,
that there was a pursuit situation, that there was a shootout.
We had heard that Lee Grace had gotten shot, and uh,
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you know, obviously the wheels began to go in motion,
myself and Detective Medley to fly out to Colorado because
now we had all three of them in custody and
our intentions were to do interviews with them to solidify
or to gain evidence in our case here in Zephyr Hills.
So Detective Medley and I immediately got on a plane
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that afternoon and we arrived out in Denver late that night,
and we met with law enforcement counterparts from Weblo County
Sheriff's Office that we had reached out to make arrangements
for us to meet up with them the next morning,
which we did, and then we were able to set
up the interviews from there with the three siblings and custody.
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The media frenzy picked right back up. Three Pasco County
siblings on the run for just over a week have
been captured. The Doughty Gang, Ryan, Lee, Grace, and Allan
were caught this morning your Pueblo, Colorado after a high
speed chase. The three were spotted at a shopping center
in Colorado City this morning. Authorities say that led to
a twenty mile long chase at speeds of over a
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hundred miles an hour. They finally crashed into a guardrail
just south of the town of Wolfsonburg. Catasco County deputies
are in Colorado. They're waiting to question the Dorty Gang
and the siblings, Ryan, Dillon and Lee Grace Dorty were
arrested following a cross country man hunt and chase that
ended in Colorado. It wasn't quite over yet, at least
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not for the docherties. Their problems, in fact, were only beginning.
The judge has ordered that each of the siblings be
held on more than a million dollars veil. And that's
just where the charges here. Remember there are also those
in Florida and Georgia. If they are convicted of even
one of these crimes, they could spend the rest of
their young lives in prison. Things are moving fast, and
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Ryan Dougherty was starting to process the position he put
his siblings in. They take us to the Annie jail.
I thought it might have been the last time that
I've seen my brother and sister, so I shouted out
to him. I was like, man, I love you guys,
And then fucking cops were like shut out, like man,
go fuck yourself, bro, and I was like, y'all, that'sh
it again. I was, I love you guys. Three Pasco
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County siblings, wanted in Florida and also in Georgia, are
being held on one point three million dollars bond a
piece in Colorado. There each charge with attempted murder and
assault on a police officer. Despite all the gunfire aimed
at law enforcement, fortunately no officers were hurt. As for
the dorties, it remains unclear just which state we'll actually
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get to try them first. You know you're in trouble.
You're in trouble, you're in day troll, and you know
that you and your brother's I was in like a
county jail, and I remember one of the jailers came
and gave me like a piece of paper, just came
and gave it to me to say anything is hey,
this is for you, and then added it to me
and left and all it said on it was my
son's name and his weight and you know that he
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was learned and whatnots crushing. More on that next time.
If you're over eighteen years old and want to see
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My reactions are slow. I feel like I'm underwater. Is
this happening? I keep looking around, expecting to wake up.
That would be great to wake up and realize this
whole thing is a dream, one big, long, bad dream.
But that is not reality. This is life, real life
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in my face. I can't run and hide this time,
not like I usually do. I looked down and see
my gun. Something in my head tells me to grab it.
You might need it later on down the road, my
trusty buddy. When I feel weak my strength, when I
feel scared, I grab it and run. I try to
clear the guardrail and have to stumble over at one
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leg at a time. I only get about twenty ft.
When I sent a presents to my right, I turn
and lift my arm to show them my gun. As
my arm straightens, I fell fire, a line of heat,
pressing my body down. I dropped to a ground in
a fetal position. All I know is pain. It's a
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stream finding its way all over my body, then returning
to my leg. I think I'm making noise, but I
can't hear much. I thrash around, trying to escape the pain,
breathing hard, gasping for breath. I feel fire again and again.
Where is it? Where am I hit? I know it
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is my lower body, but I can't bring my head
level to see it. I roll onto my back and
lift my head. There is blood, a fair amount of blood.
Welcome to The Docherty Gang, a production of I Heart
Radio and Katie Studios, Episode eight. She's obviously not dead.
I'm Courtney Armstrong, a crime producer at Katie Studios with
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Stephanie Lydecker. We've been working with producer Beth Greenwald on
The Docherty Gang for months now. These three siblings have
agreed to tell their story for the very first time,
each from separate prisons. Lee Grace Dockerty is at the
Federal Correction Institute Aliceville in Alabama. Ryan Docherty is in
the U S Penitentiary Tucson in Arizona, and Dylan Docherty
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is at the Federal Correction Institute in Bennettsville, South Carolina.
Let's call us in a try and get out, can't
get out of my door, try and kick my window.
Grace and Dylan were already out of the car, and
then we're trying to get to the firearms that are
in the rear, in the trunk of the trunk has
already been ripped open. It's already scattered a bunch of guns.
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One of the AMMO boxes, I think, crunch one of
the a ks, like one of the a ks. You
see it spread out on the inter state. In August tenth,
two thousand eleven, the Docherties reached the end of their adventure.
After a shootout with police, a bank heist, and across
country chase, the law finally caught up with the trio
on Colorado's Highway. Reaching speeds of up to a hundred
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and forty miles per hour, their white Subaru flipped over
and landed nose first onto a highway guard rail. No
one in the car. I was wearing a seatbelt. Ryan
and Dylan explain what happened after the wreck. It's literally
threw me out of the vehicle. When we rolled over.
There was a gun that broke over, you know, the
stock of a gun broken, you know, because I was
holding onto it. You know, I had no shoes on it.
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I was barefoot. You know. That's that's another thing. Whenever
you get hit by a car for some reaching, your
shoes come flying off. Ryan wasn't thinking clearly, I'm gonna
try and use the car to keep it between me
and the police. And I'm gonna try and shoot it
out right down the street because I really don't want
to go to prison. I'd rather just die in the
street than go to prison for the rest of my life.
And I told him, as the man, we need a car,
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bro I'll grab us a car. And I had my
own mental plans in my head and I was waiting
on the car. Really, my first reaction after that type
of rollover car accident is obviously to get out of
the car, because you're such a taste clarity escape. You
want to be on to put your feeble solid ground.
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And when I got out, something just told me just
to reach for my done. It was between my ankle,
and I pulled it up and I put it on.
The kind of told it to me, and then I
out of the vehicle. This all happened literally inside it
just I kind of rolled out of the vehicle and
I was looking for Jill and Ryan. Ryan just takes
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off as it is he sees that we're okay, and
you know, I honestly I thought there was a chair
to thinking away. Obviously there was a lot of officers
and but you know we had gotten away in Florida.
Former Wallsonburgh police Chief Jim Chamberlain was one of the
first to confront the Doughertyes. The driver got out and
he started running, and I believe that was Ryan. I'm
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the youngest. So I got out of my patrol car
and went around the back, jumped over the guard rail,
went down the embankment, kind of running after him. First,
I yelled at him, stop police. He was in a
full sprint. I could see both hands. It didn't look
like he had a gun on him, so I was like, Okay, well,
I guess he's gone. So I turned to look and
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that's when I said Lee Grace coming down the embankment
and she had something in her hands, and at that
time I couldn't really tell what it was. So I
was just running and I felt a presence or I
heard a noise behind me, and I just turned and
I just, for some reason something just told me, you know,
get this cough away from you. I've heard something. I
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don't remember exactly what he said. I'm sure he was
stop freeze, I'm going to shoot. And I just raised
up my gun to him too, getting him away for
me to push him away, do you know, to war him,
Dylan crawled around to the rear of the car. I
was trying to climb into the back of the car
and the trunk of the car. You know, I had
no shoes, so I was trying to get a pair
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of shoes out of the trunk of the car. And
once I've heard them, and I was like looking over
the edge of that, you know. You know, the trunk
was really high in the air too, and I was
wondering why my arm wasn't working. I kept trying to
grab the trunk and like kind of like you know,
voice myself up, you know, reach into the trunk on
my right arm, which just wasn't really there wasn't a
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lot of movement that in it. And I remember looking
up that lawn rampanty and I remember one of them
had a twelve gage Have you ever looked at a
twelve gage barrel? But it's it's you know, it's it's
about the side of your thumb, you know, in diameter.
And the other one had I think one of them
had a a r kid leeen. Another one had a
what's called mini fourteen whist, you know, a ruger, you know,
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kind of like assault rifle. I was looking at the
stuff those gun barrels, and they were coming down the thing.
They were stringing it up like, oh my ground, weren't
blow your bodies back down? Well. A group of officers
were focused on Dylan. Chief Chamberlain set his sights. Only
Grace had my gun out. UM started focusing on her. Um.
She was doing so many with her hands that looked
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like to me, she was trying to get the action
of a gun. Talked back to start shooting, yelled at her.
Police dropped the gun, Police dropped the gun, Police dropped
the gun. And the third time I said that, she
looked up at me and stopped and spread her legs
a little bit. Started reason the gun that she had
towards me, and I fired two rounds at her, hit her.
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She spun around, dropped the gun and fell on the ground.
So I started moving up on her because she still
had the gun next to her, and all of a sudden,
I'm shot. I'm just rolling around like an animal. It's
extreme pain, like hot fire poker. It's just throw my
leg and I'm just screaming, and you know, I can
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kind of sense my brother dealing close to me. But
I'm trying to figure out where he got. The other
brother was by the trunk. He kept looking in the
trunk for something, so I told him get out of
the trunk, get on the ground, and he kind of
looked at me over his shoulder, but I still had
my gun pointed at his sister because she still had
the gun next to her. Then I heard the shot,
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and I heard the grace kind of like collar and
screaming it, and I got right back up off the ground,
looked up at him again, told him to get on
the ground. He turned, got down on his knees, looked
over and saw where his sister was stood up and
started walking towards her. And that's when I transitioned my
gun from her to him and told him to get
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on the ground, put his face on the pavement where
I'll shoot him too, But Dylan defied the police. Once
I got up, I walked over to the other side
of the on ramp, you know, like to from one
guard rail to the other, and I looked over down
the hill and Lee Race was there, and she was
kind of like rolling around on the ground and she
was given the offense and Navy salute of sorts and
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she was like holding her butt and I was like, wow,
unless she's holding her button pussing at the guy, so
she's obviously not dead. The whole time they were screaming
at me to get down, and I kind of like
blocked out that with their verbal assault on me, and
then I kind of like I turned and started looking
back up the eggs a ramp at the officers and
once to and I started here and there directives to
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get down on the ground. And by this point they
had closed the distance and they were maybe andy year
sixte me away. You know, they weren't real close, but
they were close enough for me to have seen them.
And at that point I was just like, man, I said, well,
I said, I really don't want to die heart kind
of the road ground. I went down to just drop
down on my knees and then kind of just sort
of fell forward on the ground, and you know, the
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name rushed up on me and go with about in
chief Chamberlayne ran over to Lee Grace and then I
asked her to re hit. He said yes. I asked
her where she said in the hip. I was like, okay,
so I'm looking. There's no gushing blood or anything, so
I grabbed her, turn her over handcuffer, and while I'm
handcuffing her, I looked up and I saw it like
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seven or eight law enforcement officers up on top of
the overpass or not the overpass, but beyond ramp, and
they were all, you know, rifles and shotguns and tacked
to all vests and stuff. And I'm like, well, I
know over half those guys, so hopefully I'm not gonna
get shocked. Right is gone? Ryan just takes off like
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running through this feel all I see is like just
coming up behind him with his boots. I think Dylan
had injuries. He had a fractured arm or fractured although
maybe his arm was broken. I just see Ryan to
take off just like a rocket, and he's just falling
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off of these work boots, and then he's gone. He
just disappeared. He ran so fast across that field. And
then all of a sudden, I'm on the right with
under screaming in pain. And that was just the situation.
Everything happened so fast. It was like a dream. You know,
you're movie, but you don't person his control of your
limbs and I sure we're looking for the sky is
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being covered with her Chief Chamberlain was on vacation that day,
but when he heard the Docerts were shooting at officers,
he joined the pursuit, and with fourteen years on the forest,
it was only the second time in the line of
duty that he had fired a gun. So I went
from thinking that I was just going to be back
up to oh, crept, there they all are, no vest
I was in a T shirt and jeans, nothing really
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that I identified me as a police officer. Meanwhile, Ryan
fled across a four lane highway. I remember seeing my
sister gets shot, not like her whole body, I just
happened to remember, like from her lower body. I remember
seeing like the front of her jeans, like a puff
of the material of the jenes Un. And all this
is as I jumped over the side of the guard rail.
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And then there was a barbed wire fence like about
eight or ten feet away from there, and I ran
fast as they could. But I knew I wasn't gonna
be you know, I don't have mad hops. I'm not
gonna be able to clear the top of this barb
wire fence. I superman threw it. Ryan had no idea
that Dylan was in custody, and he was determined to
follow Dylan's plan. I try and run for a gas
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station that's across the street, because they have cars sitting
there and like some of them look like they're still
running because it's a little called out in the exhausted
coming out, and I don't see anybody in the car,
so I'm in assuming that what they did is had
their car on pulled up to the gas station. It's
a kind of Poe dunk enough area to where the
people are still trusty enough to leave their keys in
car running, go inside, grab a pack of smokes and
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the drink, and come back and get back in their
car and leave. So I'm going to go snap someone's
car because ours is come back around the interstate exit,
run over whoever I have to run over and pick
up my brother and sister. Ryan did not count on
the bravery of some ordinary citizens who just happened to
see him. Here's one of them, David Vostitch. He ran
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towards this little diner that was that's just right off
the highway there by a truck stop, and I just
happened to be coming down this other road. I had
my mom in the truck with me, and we come
down the road there and there was this guy standing
in the middle of the road right in front of me,
and I noticed there was a bunch of people outside
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the diner, and I slowed way down, and this guy
tried to open up the door when I drove by
on my truck. Ryan continues, one of the cars that
I've seen, like a nice little markety Grand Marquis. I
fucking like old lady goes and gets into our fucking car,
and I'm like, ship, I can't you know, I still
have screw booth. I'm like, funk, I can't dump this
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lady out onto our face to get her car, you
know what I'm saying. And I just kept running because
they seemed like a little Honda that was across the street,
park right in front of the fucking Dominoes, and you know,
look like I had exhaust make bone out of it.
David picks up the story. So I told my mom,
I said, I don't know what's going on. We ain't
gonna have nothing to this. So I spun around there
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and I noticed people were chased him across the road.
Then I don't know what come over me. I just
you know, I saw a couple of guys were chasing him,
and I thought I jumped out of the truck and
went after. I thought the guy robbed a diner. It
wasn't very long when I caught up to him, because
when he fun around and he acted like he had
a gun in his hands right there, I was already
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jumping over a fence going after him. And that's when
he tried to take that shortcut through that pawn in there.
I remember telling him, don't go down in there, and
he went down through there, and I told him, you're
fucking idiot. I remember that now we're running through that stuff,
because when he was gonna go down in there, I
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think he thought that that was just a pawn and
he was gonna just get out there in the middle
of the pond and not letting anybody get to him.
And then he just sunk because he turned and got
right out of it right away, and that's when he
drove off down in the brush there, and and then
that was when I was right on him. When he
got out of that brush, I was right there on him.
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We're going to take a quick break here. We'll be
back in a moment. Producer Beth Greenwall to speaks with Ryan.
How long were you running for? Do you think four minutes? Maybe?
And did you have to go through any brush? Yeah?
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Actually fucking ran through like a bullshit, like a spill
over pepe of pond for like sucking cows and ship
and like just ran through some ship bramble brush fucking
three four tall like sage brush, just like scrub brush shit.
Here again is David Bustich. One of the guys stayed
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behind because he was on the phone with the dispatcher
and the other guy. I don't know where he went
at the time. I caught up with the guy there
in the arroyo there, and when I caught up to him,
I told me he's to quit running, and he told me, well,
if I don't, they're gonna kill me. They're gonna kill me.
I don't like nobody's gonna kill you. But you don't
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need you know. I told him, you didn't need to
scare my mom in the truck like he did, trying
to jerk the door open and stuff. And the other
guy was yelling at me, you just need to take
him down, just take him down. You need to catch him.
So I just brought him to the ground right there,
and he put up a little fight and I was
able to hold him down on the ground there and
he kind of just gave up. Then he said, I'm done.
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I'm done. Runned. Ryan was covered in sewage from the pond,
and he was exhausted. As I was running from the
bushes from here to there, I kind of smoked out.
You know, I'm not a fantastic tat conditioning or whatever.
I'm not a fucking runner at heart, and like the
adrenaline only pushes you so far and then your body
mackes out so like slowed to like a slow trot.
And some random Captain Savaho type fucking weirdo people tried
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to like follow me, and you know, eventually I just
gave up. I was like, fuck it. You know, there's
not there's nothing left to do. There's nothing left here
to do. Here again is David Lucetich. We escorted him
up out of that arroya because none of the officers
could find us. We were way probably a couple miles
away from from the accident by then, and we walked
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him out back out to the road there so they
could find us. In A state patrolman finally come down
the road there and he saw us out there, and
we flagged him down and he came over and jumped
on the guy, and the two civilions brought me to
the side of the road with him, and the fucking
cops and paramedics were there, and like the cops helped
me pinned down with some guns. I remember him cuffing
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manship and kneeling on my back, on my neck and
fucking drive my face into the dirt. And then remember
the paramedics syn care. I remember the paramedics being like
super nice to me. I'm a charming guy no matter
who it is, and I'm around and I managed to
charm them and and they were really nice to me
and then meant a lot. That was cool. When did
you realize that this guy had been on, you know,
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multi state chase? At this point, I didn't know anything
about him. See, I live out here on a ranch
and the news isn't the biggest thing to turn on
in the house at the time. I had no clue
who they were. I didn't even know any of that
was going on. I didn't even know there was a
high speed chase going on with them shooting at the officers.
Me and my mom were going to run back into
town and get gas for the four wheeler, so she
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kind of just jumped in the truck with me and
we went back into town there, and it was just
crazy there. I never never seen so many news vehicles
in my life down here in this small little town.
And I pulled into the gas station and there was
news people like running up on me, and I'm like, well, gee,
I don't know what this guy, you know, did and
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everything else, and they're all want to ask me questions
and stuff. And that's when like, I don't know if
you want to call him, like the head of the
state patrol, and I think a cb I officer came
up to me and wanted to talk to me. So
they pulled me into the hotel there and they put
me in a room there and then they explained to
me what had been going on with these people and stuff.
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Then I was just sitting there kind of like all
in shock, like wow, okay, this just happened. Chief Jim
Chamberlain picks up the story. The state troopers got over
there and assisted as well to get him handcuffed, even
though he turned around a couple of times and made
a motion like he had a gun, but they didn't
see a gun, so they took him into custody and
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troopers got him and then they loaded him up into
an ambulance and took him to the hospital with Ryan
and custody. The chase was finally over. I wanted to
let you know we've got our crime senior and route
to the fifty two right now. We also Colorado City, Okay.
Former Colorado FBI agent Phil Nidringhouse was assigned to the
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Dockerty case. When they landed in Colorado, the FBI radar
room told me that they had said, you know, shots fired,
pursued happening, and then they updated me and said that
vehicle crash and all free in custody. At that point
I got on the phone and I was talking to
my boss and he said, well, whyn't you just keep
going and go down there and see what you can
do to help out and handle the media stuff down there.
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A fleet of flashing lights ended the family affair for
the Doherty gang because they were taken into custody Wednesday
and put low Colorado. We continuously said that these three
fugitives wanted a battle with law enforcement. We will win
that battle and that's what happened today. Ryan, Dylan, and
Lee Grace Dockerty were all arrested and brought to a
local hospital. Here's Dylan. They were dragging me out of
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there and put me on a stretcher board and took
me to the hospital. And I don't really remember a
lot of that. They kind of had my head to
take to that. I think I was he handcuffed to it,
perhaps leg shackle too. I really don't remember exactly what
all restraints they had put on me, although I was,
you know, ratchet strapped into that. I think the paramics
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and they showed up. They probably took one look at
the car and too well, he really shouldn't be up
walking around, you know. I remember a nurse leaned over me,
and you know, because my mom was a nurse for
thirty five years, I was like, sweete, better cover your ears.
And I think she knew what I was gonna do,
so she covered her ears and I yelled for Len Grayson. Ryan.
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You know, I just told him I loved him, and
then the tops of gos shot out and you know,
I'll be quiet, you know, And and but I said
when I wanted to say, and they heard me and
then they yelled back. It was just really weird, the
whole car accident, and you know, the couples were all
they were there before the dust you know, I have
even finished billowing to its height, you know what I mean.
They were there as a car crashed, and you know,
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some of the officers were like, man, we thought we
were just coming up on some dead people in that car.
And then he's like, and we get up there, you
have already jumped out, you know, running in seventeen different directions,
and we were fortunate. I'm not for sure on you
know what the rest of my life is gonna unfold
to be, but you know, I guess that we weren't
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meant to guy in a car accident. Let's stop here
for another quick break. We'll be back in a moment.
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The siblings mother, Barbara Belle, told us how she felt
when she found out her children were captured. I was
so sure that they one of them probably had been shot,
or maybe all of them, that I couldn't even walk.
I crawled to the door in my filthy T shirt.
And the person who ran the campground was very kind
to us. He came up and said, they got him.
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They're all alive, and I was very relieved to hear that,
but of course there was so much misinformation bandied about.
I had no idea that all three of my children
had been injured. My one son had a broken arm,
my youngest had sprained ankle, and my daughter had been
shot in the leg which barely missed her femoral artery.
And I didn't find out all the details until later.
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I was extremely hard to find anything out from anybody
because her phone was compromised. And I think I'm going
to stop there on that. I can't Devastation doesn't even
describe it on how I felt, and I'm sure I
just I was baffled. I couldn't understand. Pascal County Sheriff
Chris Naco was tracking the Docerty case from Florida. Beth
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spoke with him. So you surprised that they were caught alive.
I mean they were still running and still trying to
fight until that last moment. We all had a very
strong understanding that just you know, it wasn't gonna end.
He fully that we believed it was gonna be all
outshoot out, which you know, officers out in Colorado had
a shoot you know again they're shooting. Thank god, the
officers were okay, you know, no, any loss of life
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is horrible, you know, no, I wants any loss of
life out there. Detective Tim Harris, also from Pascal County, Florida,
remembers when he got the call that the docrities were caught.
When we've finally got the information that they had been apprehended,
that there was a pursuit situation, that there was a shootout.
We had heard that Lee Grace had gotten shot, and uh,
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you know, obviously the wheels began to go in motion,
myself and Detective Medley to fly out to Colorado because
now we had all three of them in custody and
our intentions were to do interviews with them to solidify
or to gain evidence in our case here in Zephyr Hills.
So Detective Medley and I immediately got on a plane
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that afternoon and we arrived out in Denver late that night,
and we met with law enforcement counterparts from Weblo County
Sheriff's Office that we had reached out to make arrangements
for us to meet up with them the next morning,
which we did, and then we were able to set
up the interviews from there with the three siblings and custody.
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The media frenzy picked right back up. Three Pasco County
siblings on the run for just over a week have
been captured. The Doughty Gang, Ryan, Lee, Grace, and Allan
were caught this morning your Pueblo, Colorado after a high
speed chase. The three were spotted at a shopping center
in Colorado City this morning. Authorities say that led to
a twenty mile long chase at speeds of over a
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hundred miles an hour. They finally crashed into a guardrail
just south of the town of Wolfsonburg. Catasco County deputies
are in Colorado. They're waiting to question the Dorty Gang
and the siblings, Ryan, Dillon and Lee Grace Dorty were
arrested following a cross country man hunt and chase that
ended in Colorado. It wasn't quite over yet, at least
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not for the docherties. Their problems, in fact, were only beginning.
The judge has ordered that each of the siblings be
held on more than a million dollars veil. And that's
just where the charges here. Remember there are also those
in Florida and Georgia. If they are convicted of even
one of these crimes, they could spend the rest of
their young lives in prison. Things are moving fast, and
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Ryan Dougherty was starting to process the position he put
his siblings in. They take us to the Annie jail.
I thought it might have been the last time that
I've seen my brother and sister, so I shouted out
to him. I was like, man, I love you guys,
And then fucking cops were like shut out, like man,
go fuck yourself, bro, and I was like, y'all, that'sh
it again. I was, I love you guys. Three Pasco
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County siblings, wanted in Florida and also in Georgia, are
being held on one point three million dollars bond a
piece in Colorado. There each charge with attempted murder and
assault on a police officer. Despite all the gunfire aimed
at law enforcement, fortunately no officers were hurt. As for
the dorties, it remains unclear just which state we'll actually
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get to try them first. You know you're in trouble.
You're in trouble, you're in day troll, and you know
that you and your brother's I was in like a
county jail, and I remember one of the jailers came
and gave me like a piece of paper, just came
and gave it to me to say anything is hey,
this is for you, and then added it to me
and left and all it said on it was my
son's name and his weight and you know that he
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was learned and whatnots crushing. More on that next time.
If you're over eighteen years old and want to see
pictures of Lee Grace and Ryan Dougherty or find their
addresses to write them in prison, go to our Instagram
at Katie Underscore Studios. The Dougherty Gang is executive produced
(27:21):
by Stephanie lie Decker and me Courtney Armstrong, along with
Beth Greenwald, Sean McEwen, and Joseph Morgan. Editing and sound
design is by Jeff Ta Additional producing by Chris Graves
and Jeff Shane. The Docortor Gang is a production of
iHeart Radio and Katie Studios. For more podcasts from my
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