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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, I'm the tell lot repair man and I'm the
Jones listening to what is going on everyone. We are shroudcasting,
(00:20):
we are headed north. It's exciting times around these parts.
We're together. We're gonna have a split scene and it's
not a banana split, although there are a few bananas
up here. We're gonna go a couple of different directions.
But uh uh, we got we we got a story
to lead into that. To tell you more about that
here in a little bit. But uh, right now, Tyler
Jones and the driver's seat, he's eyeing down this law
(00:43):
enforcement officer. He's got somebody else pulled over right now, thankfully,
because we got about one trailer lot in between all
of us right now. Hopefully it's sitting too incriminating. We
we try to make them work, so you know, we're
asking for grace. Well, we've only got three dudes that
help us out here, the element, and one of them
wasn't here, so I won't put the blame on him.
(01:05):
The other two did a good job of not seeing
or tail that fall off, going about three miles an
hour and running over it. Dad Gummant, Well, at least,
thankfully it's just the tail like cover, so the light
still works. Yeah, I just had to duct tape. I
took so, Like on this trailer, there's some running lights
(01:25):
that don't work as well, so I took the cover
off of one of them and taped it over the
light and now it actually it shines brighter than the
true tail lot, which is nice. Um, the inheritance of
this vehicle has been good and bad. Yeah, for sure,
it's it's been comfortable. Uh, it's pretty nice. If y'all
don't have a pop up camper, don't get one, I
(01:47):
would say it's a it's a good thing to look at.
It is. Man, Sucker has got a good ac and heater,
so I'll take that. Very expensive, you know, Like I mean,
the new ones are super expensive. But like these things
are floating around out there and it ain't like a
you know, you just gotta make sure the canvas is
good and that the cables aren't broken. And if that's
the case, you're rocking and rolling, you know. Like Dude
(02:07):
and I don't know, ours has got like a bigger
bed on one end, and Tyler and I I think
you did it on purpose, I don't know, but we
ended up in that one it's like plenty big enough
to were Tyler and I don't touch, which we're not
into that. So if you listen to on the podcast
(02:28):
for a while, you know that there's a guy named
Brendan Rose, one of the best friends from high school.
And uh, you know, I've always been pretty comfortable in
my stance, if you know what I'm saying. And uh
so in high school we just slept. We just slept
in the same bad and no big deal. You know
if you stayed over to the house. We didn't like
make a palette or anything. Um well, um one and more.
(02:49):
One morning I woke up and Brinnon, he's got big
old lips. Okay, so um they're really noticeable and uh
handsome guy, let me tell you. Uh uh I hold
up and our foreheads were touching, like just straight up,
just forehead to forehead. Its lips are all up in
my face. And that was that was pretty uh scarring.
(03:12):
The last time left together. Yeah it might have been. Actually,
I don't know, dude. A lot of crazy things happen
when Brent and I um stayed the night each other's place.
He stayed over my house more often because he had
a couple of brothers and they didn't like to hunt,
so uh he came to my place and we definitely
like to hunt. Uh in touch foreheads. So I'll tell
another story before we get into what we're we're gonna
(03:34):
talk about. Um, we were getting ready to go to
the coast, you know, and we're rigging rose and stuff.
We're gonna leave the next morning. Shark fishing. Yeah, something else, Yeah,
shark fishing. And I had one of those um case
um toothpick knife you know I'm talking about. They're real sharp, right,
not sharp as in like you know, cut you but
quick quick. But they're they're cool looking. I always thought
(03:56):
that very attractive pocket knife because they're lightway eight and
the pretty and you know, I liked having that thing. Well,
I was cutting a piece of eighty pound mono, which
is you know, just a little short of weeder line.
You know, it's pretty thick, so it takes a little
gumption and uh, you know, I was probably seventeen at
the time, and I hadn't really learned all the things
of nice safe knife safety like I should. And uh,
(04:20):
I go to I'm pulling this thing back at me, right,
and this is just not what you're supposed to do.
Let this be a lesson of what not to do.
And I'm pulling hard and I'm thinking it's just gonna
cut and everything's gon fine. Well then it's just like
kind of snapped and I had that force against the
knife and I took that knife right up to my
face and stuck it right in my cheek about an
(04:43):
inch below my eye. I think it's still have a
little scar right there. Bled But like dude, I was.
I was a quarter inch from just cutting my eye out.
It was scary, dude, Brendon Lax tell us you, I said, Brendon,
I almost just died or something like that, because that
knife was long. If I had hit my eyeball right,
(05:04):
went right into the brain. And I was thinking about
that one time. I gotta had an awesome job one
time for about a week of cleaning um the fence
line around this sewage treatment plant at a resort one
time when I was in high school. So we had
we you know, they rented uh wood chipper Force, which is,
(05:27):
by the way, one of the scariest machines ever mat
and uh you know, man, my buddy Chris, so you know,
or sixteen, sixteen years old, probably, And we got this
thing out there. We're cleaning this fence line off everything
we can, you know, cut down and clean off and
chopping everything else. We throw in that wood chipper and
chip it up. And dude, uh, I hit myself with
(05:49):
like a vine or something so hard in the eye
one time I thought I lost my dad. And you know,
I think about that time a lot, especially, But like
when I when I think about this thing which I'm
about to say, is how many times over the course
of your life are you just so close to just
losing your arms, finger, losing your you know, as a
(06:14):
young man, especially if you're outdoorsy or you know, do
farm stuff. It's a lot. It's a whole lot. Like scary, dude,
he is. I don't want my kids have to deal
with that, you know what I mean. I would say,
I'm with you, but better off learn it when you're young,
before you're too big enough to hurt yourself real bad,
you know. Like uh, like, if you learn to fall
(06:36):
off a bucket when you're twelve, it hurts a lot
less than falling off a ladder when you're twenty, you know,
So like I don't know, this is like a weird
dynamic there that you have to approach a lot sooner
than I do. I got of the eyeball story hunt.
Uh you know, this is like the think Steve likes
to do. So we're gonna gross y'all out real good.
(06:57):
So I was inside seen a smith yes even yeah,
Stephen B. Jordan I think is his name, right, Uh
we Uh, I was in high school or seventh grade,
and we just got this new dear lease. Um, and
I didn't even archer you hunting, Like we were there
in October setting up a box blind to hunt out of.
(07:20):
And uh we built this box blind. I was real,
real proud of it then, you know, I was in
pride back then, and uh I built this box blind myself,
you know, and cut out the windows and put the
hinges on and all that and painted it. You know,
it was a big deal, paint your on box blind.
If you're from the South, you probably kind of get
this a little bit, you know, like it was kind
(07:40):
of cool to set up your box line and stuff.
If you're not from the South, just imagine like a
red Nick blind, but it actually being red Nick. That's
what we did. You know. If you're not from the
South and just imagine how you used to paint your
barbie houses and that's the same, but it's cameo. That's right. Well, well,
you know, my dad had a little Nissan pickup and
(08:01):
we had two things strapped them back of the truck.
Drove the deer lease. Um, which is funny that it's
a thing, but like we had a dear lease that
was like forty five miles from the house and it's
like the same habitat that we live in. So could
we just not find one like right up the road?
You know, like we didn't gain anything by going there.
I don't know. I I don't know how that worked,
(08:23):
you know, I was, but I was excited because I
was too young to care. No, it was over there
the other side of like, uh Mount Vernon somewhere. It
was like, uh, you know we're um, uh what's yeah,
that's where that's yeah, for sure, I don't go that
(08:44):
way as other side of like Mona Cella and uh.
It's one of those real cool things that the family
also kind of hunted it when we weren't there. I
love then, you know, it's a good you know, Communism
is the best and near least and other things too. Yeah, Anyways,
I we were like, cedar trees are synonymous with deer hunting, right, Like,
it's just like, oh, yeah, you don't want that cedar
(09:06):
you know. Um, so you're gonna hide that box blind
that So you're like, no, the de're gonna get used
to if you put in the middle pasture don't matter.
So we were like taking like a quarter out of
the cedar treated nestle that box blind up in right. Well,
I'm a really big seventh grader, like, and I think
I'm the strongest guy in the world. I was the
strongest guy. Ats cool, you know. So I'm like, I'm
just gonna go in there and break these limbs off. Well,
(09:29):
the worst I reach up, I weach up, I'm tired,
and grab the cedar limb with my right hand. It's
then the trunk is on my left right. It's a
cedar tree. It's probably like ten foot tall. So the
trunk is about the size of your neck right there
at the at the hot that I'm breaking this limb off,
it's about five ft high. And I go and I
(09:50):
grab it. I'm thinking it's gonna break off at the trunk. Well, no,
I've been this thing really far and it breaks off
right in my hand, and all of that connectic energy
exactly snap snaps back and hits me square in the
left eye, and I just go to squall and I'm
not crying, but I'm doing the whole like, you know,
(10:11):
like my dad's like he's like, I just I was
gonna look over and there's gonna be an eyeball hanging
from that stick. My eye was intact, but my eyelid
got ripped like a good three quarters of an eche
straight up, so like it's just kind of flopping around. Yeah,
And if you look real close, I still got some
eyelashes that are a little crooked right there. Um. But
(10:34):
I and I had to have lacey because I had
um like a I had some cedar up in my
lens right there. And I didn't remember that lacing being
real weird because like you could like your eyes open, right,
so you're just aware I can't. But just the things
(10:54):
that like almost put you out of the business, you
know what I mean. Imagine if I had done that
the other way and then my right eye when I
actually got put out, I'd have been like, you know,
old gentry lefty back there shooting with the wrong hand,
you know, like, uh, it would have been it would
have just altered your hunting life. You know. It's scary
(11:16):
about that stuff when I start going out, I know
from whom all blessings floats, and like I think about
that stuff when we go out on these trips of like,
you know, because you know, I'm risky and I but
I have to tell myself sometimes is it really worth
like jumping this six foot creek? Uh, when I could
(11:39):
like tear a meniscus and then like not be able
to go elk hunting next year or something. You know,
Like there's always this thing of like maybe I shouldn't
do that, you know, like and I think that there's
a there's definitely a way you can lean too far
the other side of the pendulum of like just being
overly cautious about things like YouTube cops, Yes, you need
(12:03):
to actually make sure you have a doubly hitched overhand
er right there underhand. You know, it's like, oh guy,
it's not h Yeah. We so we actually have got
a couple of videos on our channel about, um, you know,
how to hunt from a saddle, how to shoot from
a saddle, how to climb in a saddle, you know,
(12:24):
we use those Cruiser saddles are super comfortable, very very safe,
um Tyler I both used the x C, which is
a single panel but it's pleated so it's like makes
for a very comfortable see it and actually be a
size one before we know it. And I'm careful. Oh
my gosh, I'm trying three sizes and you might just
think that you fall in the size too, but that's
not the case. Yeah, chat will tell you different. He's
(12:46):
real good at the side. It's actually more about your
height and weight. I think more than just your weight.
It's like it's not just based on your like way size. Yeah. Well, um, anyways,
they're they're super comfortable, and uh, I'm hoping to be
wearing one a lot this trip because I kind of
tired of chasing these near on the ground. Sometimes I
like to hang in the tree. Shot one from the tree.
One stick up recently, but we'll talk about that in
(13:07):
a second. But if you haven't, go check out a
cruiser on the internet. So on the webs and U
get yourself a saddle because it's the most comfortablehunt you're
gonna you're gonna have this year, So super um man,
it's just as far as just being mobile and yeah,
you know, making things work. It's it's the way to
get into a tree and kill something. And you don't
have to break the limbs of a cedar tree to
(13:28):
put your box blind up. That's right. It keeps you
safe and more than one way, you know. Yeah. Yeah,
So anyways, that's Do you have any more dismemberment stories
that we should share? And I've because I've been a
guitar player, I've been trying. I've tried to be careful,
very careful with your hands. Yeah. Yeah, Tyler. Tyler is
a glove wearer and uh, you know, just watches out.
(13:51):
I can tell you. I don't know what it is,
but he gets more stickers in his fingers and anybody
other man, I don't know what it is. What is
it always getting a sticker? And come dad, you don't know?
I had one. Uh. We got back to South Dakota
and you know, been around the house for a little
bit or whatever, and I got short song because it's
four hundred degrees in Texas and even in October, and
(14:12):
I look down and kind of got this thing that's
like welpen up. It looks like a dag um, spider bite,
you know, and uh, I didn't pay much chance to it. Well,
next day it was even worse, and I was like
looking at it, I was like, there's a thorn in
my knee. It's been there for like five days, you know,
I didn't even know it was in that too. After that,
what were we getting into in South Dakota? That is
(14:33):
it from whenever we uh did all that nighttime business
or something? Oh, that's probably it. Yeah, we are tracking
a deer in the night and had so much dag
um just stickers everything, all kinds of stickers and thickness.
That was one of the thickest places I've ever been.
It was no wonder Big Bucks lived there. And if
you're wondering, hey, guys, where's that story, where's that footage?
(14:55):
Do not to spare you will be able to see it. However,
it will be in a little bit different format than
you used to uh if you haven't heard. Um, we
have been blessed with the opportunity to uh do a
little bit of stuff on the meter channel as well
as our own channel, So that hunt will be on
the Meteor channel next uh like early fall. So that
and a bunch of other cool stuff we're doing. All
(15:15):
that buck truck business that you've been seeing will be
on that. But we will have some more Element stuff
coming out pretty soon. Yeah, we're actually doing a lot
more hunts in the next few weeks for that kind
of stuff. So so sorry about maybe a little bit
of lack of videos for you on the Element channel,
But just know it's one of the deals. It's like
a it's like planting seeds, man, the the payoffs on
(15:36):
the back end. You know, whenever that tomato finally ripens up,
that Cherokee purple gets a little bit of that darkness
on the bottom, it's gonna be good. And that's what's
gonna happen. Nex. You know, we we actually, um, we're
pre recording this little bit ahead of time because Casey
and I are going to split ways, like you said,
Manana splits um, So we have to kind of get
this recorded a couple of days in advance. By the
time this airs and you hear this, there's a there's
(15:58):
a pretty good chance we've got a newer video out. Uh,
Casey's chasing some deer on public and has a really
close encounter. Should have gotten it done, but sometimes, uh,
sometimes the big buck sits up or stands up to
pee and you're in a bad spot, and that's kind
of what happens. Yeah, and uh, it's it's by no
(16:20):
means Greg was filming me that day is by no
means his fault. But it was one of the situations
where if we weren't filming, it could have gone differently,
but because we were filming, um, it just didn't happen.
I had one of those instances in Oklahoma recently actually,
(16:42):
So yeah, it's it's kind of crazy how much that changes.
And I'm not trying to complain. We love filming. I
can't imagine not filming hunts now, you know, because it's
just if nothing else. You talked about this a lot
whenever we first started doing this. It kind of was
your way to convince me to film hunts, I think.
But like just being able to watch it you're self, Man,
it's so cool. I love getting to relive this stuff,
(17:03):
I know. Man. Um, so uh, I'm not, like I said,
not blaming. Yeah, dude, make good point there. Like what's
crazy about this stuff is like you're asking me about
a mount recently for him, and you're like, what do
you think about a full sneak, and I was like, oh,
I wouldn't do it with a pencil neck, dear, you know.
And then you told me which deer you're talking about,
(17:25):
which we'll talk about here in a second, and he
doesn't have a pencil neck, so it works. But you're like, man,
I just I just can I just picture that dude
walking under some willows you know or whatever kind of
made a full sneak, And I was like, dude, what's
crazy is I was not there, but I saw some
of the footage of walking in and that's how I
picture him too in my mind. And that's that's the thing,
is like you've got these moments that, uh that sometimes
(17:47):
you picture in and as the deer comes in or
in the hunt, right, but like you kind of blank
on other moments too, and so just to fill those
gaps in with foot it just just a cool thing.
It's kind of a give and take too, because like, um,
there will be moments that like my mind's eyes actually
(18:08):
better than the camera. But I watched enough to where
like I kind of almost forget my experience, you know,
and then the camera the cameras takes over, which is
I don't know, it's it's kind of cool, I guess too,
because it's what everybody gets to experience, you know. But
I kind of do my best to not lose that,
like the first person point of view two that I
have on these things sometimes, but the camera does catch
(18:30):
things that I don't get to see as well because
I'm grabbing my bow or I'm folks like, for instance,
on we don't we don't want to tell that yet. Uh,
let's let's get into that. Let's do let's get into
a little bit. Okay, so um we uh sign and
go up to old woke homie Smoklahoma and Oklahoma depends
on who you are really what you call it. There's
(18:51):
definitely some Joklahoma. There's even a little Toklahoma. We weren't
a part of that there. He has a lot of
that going on there. Yeah, thought about that the other day.
It's kind of kind of weird, kind of cool. I
don't know, I mean, ain't my thing, but you know
what freedom let freedom ring baby. Um So anyways, um,
(19:11):
it's as y'all know, like the rut this year is weird,
and I think it's kind of a fun thing. Are
not fun, but it's a it's kind of like the Grind.
People like talking about the Grind, and they also like about,
oh it Root's weird this year, you know, but I
really think it would. We've been talking to people from
all across the country. Another thing you may or man,
I know, we've been running the rout Fresh podcast for
Mark Kenyon on the Wired Hunt platform, and so every
(19:33):
week we have to talk to at least four dudes
from across the country and you know, hear what they've
been seeing, and so I feel like we have a
pretty accurate picture of what's going on literally like almost
nationwide in the RUT. And everybody has had this sentiment
in the first couple of weeks of it being hot
and the and being lackluster, you know, movement, and uh
(19:55):
suddenly things, you know, we've gotten some weather and things
seem to be changing in a lot areas right now.
I think that, Um, if you took a rut castion
early and it was tough for you, I'm sorry, but
I think that patients is going to pay off a
lot this year for a lot of people. You don't
need to feel like I want to do this hype
at the end too, but let's go ahead and throw
(20:16):
it in here right now, if it's November and you
didn't killed your buck yet, do not despair right like this,
there's still got twenty good days if not more after that,
right like, don't feel like you gotta bust out of
smoke pole to make one, make it happen, or to um.
You know that you're just not gonna see a big
buck this year. And there's probably a lot of people
that have seen the ranch buck and that dear I
(20:37):
killed on November thirty, if he came in as you
if you've seen it, he comes in, nosing, does around,
and you know that's I mean, he's there in daylight
and eight at a thirty nosing does around. And when
I first saw him, before I ever even I mean,
fifteen minutesfore I ever got footage of him, he was
following a dough just walking right behind her. So that's
(21:00):
you know, that's no I mean. And we have a
fairly regular date set. We're a little bit we're probably
a week behind most places in the country or so,
you know. So there's hope and we can go on
more in that later on. But I think that the
big emphasis here is that the first couple of weeks
of November were overly hot. There were dose being bred,
(21:21):
and there were bucks doing the thing. But I mean,
truth be told, I think it was hot enough that
it affected buck activity, which is strange, right, because the
cycle is the cycle. I'm convinced of it, right, But
does the drought affect the cycle? My dude, I don't know. See,
that's the that's the thing. And we talked about this too.
We probably have already talked about this in the podcast,
but it's good to talk about. Like our Julian calendar
(21:45):
or whatever you want to call it that we have now,
Like the current modern calendar that the world operates on
is not a fixed right. November seven is not the
same day every year of the lunar cycle, of the
diurnal cycle, or whatever you however you want to call it. Right,
Like the day November seven is not always twelve hours
(22:07):
and forty seven minutes long. It's gonna vary. I would think, um,
up to maybe uh seven day cushion on each side
possibly for how that falls on a calendar versus how
it actually works with like the amount of daylight that
enters a deer's eye, right, So um, that's gonna change,
(22:29):
whether it's gonna have an impact on this stuff. Um,
you know, uh this, I'm gonna try to not make
this weird or whatever. But um, human females whenever they
spend it a lot of time together, sync up with
their cycles. Right. It's a it's a proven thing. It's
kind of weird. It's a social thing that we can't
quite understand. Um, women in general we can't understand. But
(22:56):
I don't know why there's so social. Man, I won't
be in a hole by myself. But anyways, I wonder
if like, here's a hypothesis for you, Okay, and uh,
it would take a lot more proven than I care
to do to to to test it. But maybe the
drought concentrated dose in a more specific area because they
(23:17):
had to relate to water or specific food sources more
and so the dose sync up in a different fashion
they normally would um for the fall. Or maybe it's
food related with the drought where they did, they aren't
as healthy going into the fall, So maybe those cycles
are just a little weird or the same thing. Maybe
the food uh is very localized, so all the doughs
(23:41):
are spending time together. Maybe it's a buck thing too.
We might be putting too much emphasis on the doughs.
Maybe the bucks. Um, Okay, here's another thing. We've noticed.
There's a lot of broken ties this year, like more
than normal. And I we were talking about this before
the podcast that it probably has something to do with
nutrition or it could have to do if a density
of bucks. Maybe they're closer together so they're countering each
(24:04):
other more. Uh, and they're breaking more antlers. I don't know,
but there's there's a bunch of social stuff. I think
Tony Peterson talks about this. He's like, I think he's
said something to this effect. Uh, we're the guy who
knows the most about white tail probably still only knows
like three percent about what actually happens in the white
tail world, you know. So like there's so many things
(24:25):
out there that we'll never have a grasp of. And
this is where like a sense of collectivism can be
a good thing, right, where you group your thoughts together
about a passion like we all have, and we can
share this stuff on podcasts and talk to other hunters.
And maybe I know one half a percent about white
tell and you know one half percent about white tail,
but then we can combine those and talk about it.
(24:46):
Together and all of a sudden, we're like, I thought
about that, man, So um, all this to talk about
how the first part of November was actually very difficult
rut hunting. You and I, uh, we've talked about this
about our Kansas stuff. We killed bucks in not super
ruddy fashions. Your yours was like probably a one out
(25:08):
of ten on the rut scale. I mean he was
I think he was. I think he was checking checking, So,
I mean, I don't I don't know if he was
gonna be running does or anything there when he does around,
but he was definitely walking the down wind side. Uh
that draw basically that's kind of what my buck was
(25:29):
doing too. He was actually on the up wind side
of things. So you know, I don't know that works.
It works really good for me. But he did come
into antlers. But I always think about that as being
a shoulder tactic, you know, like it's not a it's
not a dead dog heat of the rut my favorite
thing to do, but like on the front or the
back of it. I think they're real responsive to that
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because they're they're looking, you know, he's thinking about that stuff,
and you're fighting because there's just a few doze in,
so you know, kind of killed him doing ruddy stuff.
But it was hot. You know, their hawks weren't just
dripping nasty, you know, they were just kind of getting
into it a little bit. My dear smelled a little bit,
not crazy. Um, but then we went to Oklahoma and
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it was like dead Now it's you know, a good
bit further south right, and that probably has some effect
on it too, But I mean we were just not
seeing rut action at all. There would be fields with
those in it and just not even of two year
old out there. It's weird. I mean there was, I
don't know, there was like I had you did rattle
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a buck in for me the first evening we were
driving around. We're close close to public and basically Greg
sees a deer all of her sore in the buck truck,
and uh we kind of make a quick plan, pile out,
and long story short, you rattle a buck across the
road onto public, and um, he was not coming straight
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to you, nor was he coming down wind, which is weird.
Uh So he was just kind of he just kind
of was coming to see if he could see something,
but he wasn't super fired up. And then I did
have another buck that was following a dough that I
made an attempt at that was not super amped up,
but he was walking fifty yards behind the dough was
coming down into bedding. So but like, if that deer
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would have been fired up, we would have killed him.
But he was not. He was not even fired enough
up enough to follow the dough, even though he wasn't
very spooked when he saw us. I think they're just
like because we saw a buck doing a deal like
that too, where he's with the dough for about fifteen
seconds and then she kind of split one way and
he went to the other. He's just kind of like,
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I'm gonna do just the tiniest bit more than just
kind of beating here. It was mornings and evenings where
like we were sitting either in spots that were like
suit should have been super highways for deer movement, dear
bucks traveling up and down and went and you know,
checking win for dose and or places that like you
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could see tons of country and one morning, dude, you
saw like probably one group of ten and several other
small groups of those that had like no bucks with them.
Oh better in the open, you know, like I've also
noticed this too, that those do this certain thing this
time of year, where especially in the evenings, they do
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the staging thing where they they want to be seen.
I think they'll find either elevation or an open pocket
in the back of a field where there's they're not feeding,
they're not doing anything, They're just staged up, just kind
of waiting almost like hey guys, I'm on display, you know,
kind of like girls strutting around. You know. It's kind
of what I think that, Um, the dose get molested
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by the bucks and they kind of get tired of
it in the rut, but at the same time, like
God has given them a sense of need to reproduce too,
so like there's some part of a Doe who also
is in estrus more than just the physical sense this
time of year, like socially there accepting I mean like
the standing extrus thing right. Like I said, it's a
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thing that people talk about, but I think that they
even do this whole I come check me out kind
of deal. Uh. And I saw does doing that that
were just there was no bucks in the evenings and
it's like what is going on? And um, we saw
a buck from the road. I love too. Buck truck it.
And when I say that, I mean drive around in
the truck and just look at deer. And I had
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the opportunity to do that on this trip of good,
good amount, which is nice because I usually am last
day Sally, just trying to do whatever I can to
find one. And um we saw at eight thirty on
a misty morning, which I like to hunt. I love
an overcast kind of misty morning. Um uh for some
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historical reasons, um starting with nameless, maybe not starting with
but yeah, and um I saw a buck at eight
thirty betted underneath the cedar tree, mature buck by himself,
no other deal anywhere in the in the area, and
that just shouldn't happen in mid November. I mean it's
like he's a buck. Oh, I mean is that what
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he identified as. I didn't get a chance to ask him.
But he had the hardware and the software. Uh so
yeah he was. He was no Antler dough I don't believe.
So he was. He was the real deal. Lucille, and
I just couldn't believe, like it was a deer that
you and I would both would shoot for sure, like
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big big buck and um yeah, just no in terrisante
Man just weird. But um, I did have a good
hunt on this trip. Uh, I have historical data in
the area. We actually hung a multary camera there a
year ago and it is still running. It's one of
those cell cams. It's a Delta base and that thing.
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We had it sit conservatively throughout the year to only
upload once a day and it only takes one picture
when it triggers. You know, it's not on burst or anything.
Um and uh, like it's almost been there a year
right now and it still has like thirty battery. I
believe Moultrie Sinus their very own moultry batteries. Yeah, and
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whatever they you know, I don't know who makes them
or what they're made out of, but they uh they're
wrapping with a multuy wrap and those are the ones
that are in there. I think, Yeah, it's nothing, nothing fancy,
they're yeah. Uh so they work really good. And uh,
I'm very thankful for the data we have for that
camera because uh, since pictures all summer were hyped about
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some big bucks. Um, we were getting some bucks on
camera early in November and then as of late there
weren't that many. And I actually went and hunted a
different place as my first morning sit, which I like.
I like mornings in general. I like mornings. I feel
like you have a bigger window of time that deer
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on their feet in the mornings. And I also feel
as if, um, in hotter weather, you have cooler TIMPs
in the mornings, so like, especially in these hot rut dates, Um,
like it's November seventh or eighth, and it's like seventy
degrees until sunset. Like, man, you just feel like you're
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hunting for the last ten minutes pretty much. And I
have a hard time with that. And I'll do it,
and I mean I do it, you know, half the time, right,
but it's not my favorite thing to do. So you know,
long story shorter, really like mornings. And uh I chose
my first morning in a different spot where I had
historical encounters with a really big buck. I actually set
up over the bed this buck had used, and uh
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I didn't see it deer, so I was down. Man,
how many how many bucks are you killed in mornings
versus evenings? This year? Let me think about that. I've killed, um,
two evening bucks and three morning bucks. Missed another morning
buck actually missed a couple of morning bucks. Uh, but
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really a real tough miss on another morning buck on
Texas Public. So shotting three bucks in the evening this year?
How about that? It's funny because that's how you and
I both leaned anyway, Um, I think that. But I
think that we both like the other hunt as plenty
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well enough. It's just I kind of tend to lean
a little more. Missing mornings in October. Yeah, it's time
to be hunting for sure. Um. Now that that does
go to say that, like late season mornings are tough,
food source anything. Food source mornings are real difficult unless
you're hunting like that secondary gotta find a way to
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get close to the bed man, you know. But like
a lot of times you in a lot on a
lot of properties, right, I mean on a big public piece,
it's one thing. But if you have a small polic
piece or private parcel you're hunting and there's an agg around, like,
it's kind of hard sometimes to keep. Yeah, it's all
it's all uh, scenario driven. You know, your decisions are
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so and but that's what I like to do a lot.
I like I've killed um a couple of deer I
think this year. Um, by setting up and have some
really good encounters to by, like getting down wind of
the food quite a ways and hunting deer on their
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way back to bed, or betting them and making stalks
on them. Um, I just I like that in the mornings.
I feel like the deer on their feet in good
daylight and you can usually make a play. Well, that's
what the plan was that morning, went in their historical data,
but no, didn't have a truck came in that spot.
We saw two scrapes in the head lamp on the
way in, like and it's just like feeling good. M
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And I'll tell you something, Tyler M. I have been
a proponent of scrapes a lot throughout our podcasting days.
The scrapes haven't treated me all that well this year. Uh,
I don't know what that's about. I still think that,
like late November, scrapes are a good thing because you
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end up really understanding which scrapes are the ones that
are getting used a lot. And if there's a scrape
near you and it buck does come in, there's a
decent chance he comes over there. But like just being like, oh,
there's a couple of good scrapes there. Let's go sit
up in the area that has not or just finding
some of the way in. It's like false confidence almost
UM hasn't hasn't really paid off. I would say too much.
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I'm not. I'm not off of them. I'm just saying
like I've been reconsidering a lot of things about signing
this year. Actually, UM, pay more attention to rubs and uh,
that seems to have pay off a little bit. But anyways,
we didn't see anything that morning. That's a long long
tail to tell you we didn't see anything. I love
to set up, dude, here's the deal. Anytime you're like, oh,
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this tree is the best, I love this set up,
he usually doesn't pay off. UM. So we made a
plan for that next evening. Uh. And I'm I'm like
wanting to hunt from a tree because I killed it
deer on the ground in Kansas. And I'm like, Okay,
it's time to set up in this cruiser saddle and
hunt from a tree. We get on the get on
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the maps, doing some on X and you know, and
and they're finding places, are using the crop datta layer
a lot because the food sources are limited this year
because of the drought. So we're finding food sources on
the crop data layer and then checking them in the truck,
and we found one that was real good. We're really
excited about it. And uh because not all of them
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are good because uh, they've been planted but we haven't.
They haven't had water in a lot of areas, right,
and uh, no water means no plans. So you got
some that were playing at the right time and some
that still haven't received any water, so we have to
go check on pretty much. Yeah, it's um, we found
a really good one. And the place to hunt is
like an over a mile from the spot. You park
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something and oh, this is gonna be awesome, and pull
in their park and there's no cars anywhere. Uh. We
walk about a mile and a tent back there and
start like looking for a tree and I see the
tree that we're gonna get into like eight yards and
then like a dude steps out from It's no, he
didn't see us, so but yeah, he definitely got humbobwei
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or whatever that guys what's that guy's name that going?
He would said that. Yeah. Yeah, Oh my gosh, you
shouldn't have said it. I can see him right now. No, no, no, no,
uh ma tumbo, that's right. Yeah yeah, um, well, um
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he never sees us. We leave out of there if
and a really good sign on the on the way
out too. It's like, oh, I'd like to hang a
camera here, but it's got dudes. So um we bounce
and here's where the public land shuffle starts. This is
when you put the clown nose on guys, because you can.
You like when your first plan messes up, like you
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need to have a backup plan, and I didn't have
a great one that night. I knew there were some
places close that I could bounce to, but I didn't
like them very much. That's the hard part. It's like
when you're up here with limited food, limited pieces of
public ground to hunt, you're just like in a in
a pinch. You know you're sending a bad spot where
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I could go over here, but it looks terrible. I
can go over here, we've seen to do in the pass,
but the food is not good. Like, oh, there's two
trucks there. We ran into that. You know, my first
bounced place had two trucks. So then you get to
the point that even where it's like, okay, I don't
have time to go set up in a tree now,
so I'm gonna be on the ground. What should I do?
And I probably opted for the wrong thing, and uh
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actually went in on the ground and did some rattling
and definitely did some marking some spot off because they
were zero deer sign when the guy that walked in
on me with rattle nailers, yeah it's me and uh
there's no trucks there. Okay, so if you've got dropped off,
I'm sorry, but that's uh, that's the way love goes. Baby.
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Uh so, um, there there's no deer on this place
at all, No, no dude commercial man. Well, um, on
the way out, we got like thirty minutes left the daylight,
Greg and I are almost back the truck. We're talking
in our normal voices, and all of a sudden we
spook a buck like right by the truck. Where did
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you come from? And then that's just you know, dirt
in your eyessaulting the wound at that point in time,
like I'm just the dumbest of the dummies. Um, just
feeling so stupid, you know, just done a bunch of
stupid things that night, when really what I should have
done is drive around and learn more stuff about what
deer we're doing. And I feel like it's a hindsight thing,
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but I feel like I would have done better with that. Um,
what were you doing at this point in time? Um,
there's another person who running lights up there? Do you
come in? Here's how we rolled. I don't know what
I was doing. I think I spent a lot of
time on the ground or did you ever hang in
a tree? Um? On the whole trip? Uh by at
this point in time. I don't know what point in
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time this is really, but kind of the first evening,
the first evening, uh first second evening. Man, I don't know.
I don't know. I don't even know if I had
my old play by play. I just know that that
the it's probably the next morning when I had my encounter. That's,
oh yeah, we had that all I remember. We had
two good mornings, right, So go ahead and tell us
about your nixt one. Well, so I ended up, you know,
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I talked about it earlier, but I saw, you know,
next morning happens and I and I've got a big
piece of property picked out, and I mean it's there's
some remote country that is pretty far from agg but
I'm like, man, there's a little bit of bag over
here that's growing, and I think you had told me that,
and I went and looked at it or something. Well,
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I was gonna make a play on deer coming back
from that and I get in there, so it's getting light,
and I'm like, I don't like where I'm sitting, looking
at the map, looking at what, you know, how steep
this little draw is, and I don't like it, and
I'm like, Okay, I gotta gonna make a play down
here a little bit further in. So we we work in.
As we're working, you know, across of course, a big
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buck comes across the saddle from the direction we're headed
and sees us big buck. Anyway, we worked down into
the main draw and I see, uh, you were You're
late or just got caught. We were. We were in there,
just sitting in the dark for a while, and I
had to see what everything looked like to realize that
I wasn't in the right spot. And once I did that,
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you know, that's when we made our play. So anyway,
made a play as you know, deer thirty, and it
was just what it is. So I remember how this
morning went. Is this the same morning? Yeah, the same
morning that we Uh, we're doing like a drop off
for y'all, and then you like get out of the
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truck and then realize, I can't glass from here this morning.
It's too foggy. So we all have to like kind
of rethink the whole morning and uh end up like
y'all were, ya were there early. We had to go
set up in a tree, so we were actually were
running a little behind. Yeah, well we we ended up
working down into the main drawing. As we're doing that,
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you know, I'm looking at maps. There it goes there's
a deer and uh, I pull up my buying ose.
Yeah it's a dough and then all of a sudden
there's a deer coming over the hill behind her, and
it's it's a good buck. I can tell from here.
So I'm like, when he goes behind this little you
know hill, we're gonna drop down, take off at him.
Probably four or five yards goes down. We dropped down,
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we're hauling, we're you know, walking fast. Um, I couldn't
run that far as just a long ways. Well we
get over pretty quick. Um, and he hadn't even made
it down into like the finger drawl that he's in.
I guess there's finger drawls, and then I'll in this story,
I'll just call for the sake of it, I'll call
the I'll call fingers will be like actual like little
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ridges that that die in the main canyon basically, So
the draws are between the ridges. But there's finger draws
and fingers. So, uh, for the sake of this story,
just remember that. Anyway, So this buck is up on
a finger up kind of higher up, you know, and
we're down to the bottom. We get caught out in
the middle, like a hundred and twenty yards from it, probably,
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and but we stopped as soon as we saw his
rat coming up over the hills, so he didn't really
get us that bad. But we are just some blobs
standing out there kind of wide open. Those already gone
through the finger drawl. Well, the buck, the buck stands
there for forever looking at us, and he's pretty relaxed
years like his you know, just demeanor is is pretty relaxed.
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But he does he is cautious of what these two
blobs might be, even though they hadn't seen him move yet.
So he starts to kind of work, uh to our right,
which is he's going to get our wind right. But
he's he's moving very slow and relaxed, like I said,
he's just gonna walk over there. Um. And so he
starts to walk across this finger and he starts to
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I can see that he's gonna end up walking to
where you know, he walks on the other side of
the finger in enough elevation that he can't see us,
and so he's still walking kind of across the top. Well,
I'm I tell Eric, I'm like, hey, let's uh, you know,
as soon as and I should have I should have
been more clear, but I told him, as soon as
this buck gets you know, we get out of sight,
we're taken off. So uh, he gets out of sight
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and you can see his rack still. But you know,
time is of the essence here because because he's going
to try to get our wind come out on the
other side of the finger or whatever. And I gotta
get to this finger so that I can get a
shot at him, so his antlers. I can see him,
but I can see it, I can't see his head.
I take off, and I don't know, I don't think
he saw us. I think he was just kind of
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like doing a thing where he's walking sideways and he's
gonna walk back and check one more time before he
get back over. So I see his antler's turn and
he starts to walk kind of back up the hill
to get look at us. I stopped and then and
Eric still walking, And I don't know, this is where
like same deal as you were talking about earlier, where
like if I hadn't had a caraman, I think this
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would have worked out really nicely. But when you have cameraman, um,
you're kind of asking him to be a pro hunter
and a pro cameraman at the same time. And Eric
was being a pro cameraman for sure. He was nailing
all the angles, you know what I mean. That was
that was not supposed to be a joke, but yes,
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it is funny. But like he was, he was like
very concerned with getting too angle of this whole awesome
and it's great footage, y'all all see it, you know, uh,
next summer. But the the as he's trying to work
his his cameras and stuff, he's not paying attention to
this deer coming back up the hill. So he's still
walking and gets caught all of a sudden, the deer
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is on high alert and got the forward years and
everything like that. So and then he starts doing the
chicken head bob thing when he walks, you know, and
he's picking up his pace and so it makes it
way more difficult. Well, he goes back over the hill
chicken head and and uh, we take off at the
point of this finger and I get to it, and
I hook around the side and I kneel down, knocking
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arrow and range this plum this plump thicket at and uh.
When I kind of pulled down, I'm kind of looking.
I lean out a little bit. I'm trying to see, like,
is there anything else I can I can range right
in there, and all of a sudden, this sucker just
appears and he's looking right at me, you know what
I mean. And oh, man bad and so uh he
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he bounds off. He sits there and looks just for
a second. Then he bounds off and I draw back
and he quickly he was at fifty I think he
quickly gets uh further than that, which I don't feel
comfortable taking at the time. And um, he and I
can see him. I'm at full drawal. I can see
him slowing down, fixing the stop and look, but it's
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gonna be like seventy. So I just let down real
quick and lean back against the the Finger mountain, you know,
and I'm like hoping that he just gets curious again,
you know what I mean, which he does in because
he's about near down window us. He's not a two
year old and south to go. He's a toad in Oklahoma,
and he's heavy and just a nice eight. But anyway,
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he takes off. So that was pretty much but made
encounter was pretty much my uh, the majority of my
excitement on the trip, and um, after that things just
got really difficult. I don't think we saw a deer. Well,
we did see three does the next morning from way
way far away, but like we didn't hardly see nothing
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the next agrest of the trip. So that same morning, um,
after we worked out all of the relocation and stuff
of of y'all, Greg and I went to the place
that we've had a camera hanging for a long time,
and uh, even though we didn't have great camera data
from that right, it was still um like I just
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knew that it's a good spot because also hunted there
quite a bit, and I just know I had some
good We had some good pictures of bucks, but they're
all night, Yeah, pretty much. And uh I just know
that we're just on that. Like again I say, in
the front shoulder of the rug, I just know at
any point in time it's gonna turn on. And so
like it's worth hunting this spot. It's a great runt funnel.
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It's just it's got what you want, man. And uh
so just still like out of that hunter's intuition and
like it's worth going in there, even though the camera
hadn't been shown too much. And you know, don't get
me wrong, we like these cameras guys, and they worked
real good, but they don't tell you everything. And I
mean our buddy Mark over tell you the same exact thing, right,
Like they just aren't. They aren't what they crack up
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to be, you know, are like what some people are
trying to make them out to be. Like the oh
you just know wherever dear is even just going and
shoot him as soon as you show up on camera.
It's just not how it works, man. So I went
in there without good camera data, but I knew I had.
I had the wind that I love, and that is
a like tough to hunt. But do your favorable wind
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where it's blowing about fifteen degrees good enough, you know
what I mean. Like if it was if I mean,
if it was lighter, it would swirl into a bad place.
But it's it's strong. It's like twelve plus um. So
that's nice. We uh, we get in and I know
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we're there are a few trees. I've marked some hanging
trees in the past, but actually I make a audible.
I planned on hunting like about a hundred yards in
this spot, and I just I'm looking at the wind direction.
I'm thinking about the way the hills work in the
bottom works and stuff. I'm thinking, this is gonna actually
work a little bit better for this wind. I'm gonna
go set up and be a little more conservative because
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we got some hunts ahead of us. Go in there,
and the trees here are not all that great. I actually,
you know, I'm not a I'm not a red light guy.
I turned my high beams on. Whenever I'm looking for
a tree to get in, I'm trying to figure out
which one's gonna be the best one. And uh, I
still had to pick a willow tree that I was
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one stick high in my platform is probably six ft
off the ground. Um. And but it's it is killer
cover because there's probably fifteen trunks on this thing, you know.
And um, Greg and I can both get in this deal.
I set up kind of like awkward where my tether
is actually hooked to a different tree, like it's like
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a d and eighty degrees from the tree my platforms on.
So I set the platform flat and I'm standing on
it backwards. But it's actually real comfortable. I got some
good shots, I got a ton of cover. Uh and
I really really like it. And this is a this
is a T. Jones style setup, you like that one
stick high stuff, And uh, I do too, man. Whenever
it's when it works, and it worked here too because
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one of the things that I could have gotten a
little higher in this tree. But like, honestly, the difference
in six and nine is not that much as far
as getting detected. Um. But at six ft, if a
deer comes in, they have to get real close to
me before I get skylined, whereas at nine foot they
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can sky on me a good bit sooner. So I'm
thinking about that, you know, because my tree is I
got good cover. But still I'm a blob in a
tree of tiny trunks, you know. Um, Anyways, it works
out well. We're in there a little bit late. Um,
so we get kind of settled, probably five minutes after
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shooting a lot. But it's overcast, you know, foggy day.
So we're getting away with a lot too because dear
fit the archer us can't really see us very well,
you know, and uh, we kind of hunker down, get calm,
and uh, I I love to hold with my ears.
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I listened to a lot, which she means we all do, right,
but I really detect more dear with my ears. I
do my eyes. I think, Okay, I was confused there
and you sit in your ears. I thought you're talking
about your Eric, dear. Uh hunt those a lot, but
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that's all right for us. Man um Uh. Hear some
sticks whipping around and like, huh, what is going on here?
Because it's kind of windy something kind of like what
is that? Just like the wind hitting this wiltree weird
or something, and a look at Greg and he's given
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me the Greg eyes and I'm giving him the Greg eys.
So then I know we both have suspicions of this sound.
And uh like it has a it has a point
in space where it's at. I can tell it's like
sixty yards from us up wind, which, oh, let's go,
you know. And so I'm I'm thinking, man, this. I
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think Greg might have said it to me. He was like,
I think that's a bug, and I said, man, I
was wanted a videos, you know, just kind of like
second guessing yourself a little bit. Well to get out
of my range finder, because um, I have it on me.
I would have had to unzip my binos or it
was just not It's easy to get to and I've
really found that, like if you're in timber, like that
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seven power range finder is pretty much enough to be
able to see dear it. And I kind of like
using it because it's so low profile. He's just like
one little hand up and look around. It's it's kind
of nice, you know. Um and uh, I can see
like a deer down there. I can tell it's a
deer at this point in time, you know, and which
probably means it's a buck. And then I see a
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main being going through my vision like oh because you
so then I put the range finder down and I
know where this deer is at, um on this property
because I've sat real close to here before. Um, and
I know that there's a trail up and over right
there close to where he's at. He uh goes and
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noses up on that trail, and I'm freaking out because
I'm like, oh, because I just know it's tough hunting, right,
but I've seeing a buck. So I'm like, I gotta
grunt this deer over or something. So I'm not ready.
I don't have my grunt call in my pocket. It's
in my backpack, which is really tough to get too
because it's a weird tree. And I'm scrambling for the
grunt call and I'm like, hey, great, can you get
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my re call? And uh and uh, he's digging for
it and I'm watching the deer. No, no, he's coming
and this is all we're doing, you know, in the
deer whisper, right, And so I was like, never mind
on the great can Greg gets around, gets the camera
on him, and uh, he like just kind of appears
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underneath his tree and he's a toad. I couldn't and
I didn't realize how big he was. And we'll talk
about that more on a second, but like, for sure, shooter,
like no question. He like I can tell he's got
a split on his right side. I've never shot a
deer with a split, and I was like, oh, please
let me shoot this deer. Uh. And I see his
his left side is a little weak, and I'm thinking, oh,
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I guess he's just kind of got a big side
and a small side. This deer comes in, ends up
and I said in the thing. I don't like to say,
but he literally came in because he it's like eight
yards from us, sees us in the tree and we're
just doing the ice sculpture thing right, just straight up
as ill as we can be. We got some wind.
He's not suspicious, but he sees some blobs and he's
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like what's going on? And it's enough to alter his path,
which actually probably helps us because he then like circles out.
He might have been thinking about going to smell us,
but I think he just was like, Ah, that's not
a deer. I'm gonna go over here. You know. It's
kind of what he's doing. He kind of does this
little arc out and comes around and I'm thinking, oh,
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I gotta shooting Laney right over here. He's about to
get busted, and I don't. I can't shoot him, like
if he was to continue coming on the trail he's on,
He's gonna get to three yards and I don't really
have a shot. And I'm like, if he's at three yards,
I'm shooting through them twigs for sure, Like no question.
Uh So I'm trying to figure out, like how to
navigate that. I got my bow in my hand, but
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I'm not gonna be I mean, it's gonna be real tough.
Well then he arcs out and I'm like, oh, this
is this is perfect, dude, like the the nine o'clock
on the clock face shot, you know, where you're just
so comfortable, just making your perfect t Well, he stops
and just goes to snoot, snooting so hard. In this
one spot there was apparently a deer pete there or something,
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because he just goes this crazy loud. You know, he's
just going nuts. It's it's also crazy how fast they
can puff the air in and out of their nose.
They're they're real good at that. And uh I'm I'm like,
I'm at full draw at this point in time. I
draw when he's behind stuff, so I'm I need him
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to take two more steps out and he hasn't yet.
I'm like, oh man, I don't want to be stuck
at full draw forever because I have recovered from a
sickness at this point in time, but I ain't real
confident in my like two minute hold, you know. Uh.
And it ends up at probably about the twenty five
second mark. He uh takes two steps forward and and
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gives me clearing to shoot through. He's not completely clear
the stuff, um, and I decided to go ahead and
let it fly because he's had a good quarter away. Uh.
And dude, let me tell you what it is a
rip when they're in fifteen and I think he's eighteen yards.
It's it's my favorite, dude, because it's just you don't
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not that I'm not concentrating, but you just know, not
without a doubt, but you feel real good about the
end result, real good about it, especially on a quarter away,
because there's a bunch of soft stuff right there, you know.
And uh, it's i'd see where it hits. It's about
one third up the body I'm shooting down. I know
that X it's gonna be good. It's a double lung in. Uh.
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We watched the deer run and he runs pretty far. Um.
But we're up the hill, run across and I've seen
pile up and it's just, oh my gosh, I lost it.
It wasn't a it wasn't a cry. I lost it
this time. It was like I just excited, you know.
Like it's it's weird how I have different reactions shooting
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a deer. You know. Some times I'm like, man, that
was awesome, just kind of just happy, and this time
I just like lost my mind, just exciting, you know.
And then like with the Kansas Buck, I'm bawling my
eyes out, you know, because I've just been sick and
I'm just probably delirious. Anyways. It's just it's strange other
that happens. But um, I did clip a leaf or
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stick or something. You can see in the footage in that,
so I kind of I didn't black out, but I uh,
I got it could have messed me up. I shooting mechanical,
um and but it didn't. It didn't mess up the
air flight or anything. I think I've learned. I shot
a four blade mechanical, two big wide ones into like
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medium wide ones and got a complete pass through, hit
the opposite leg bone and still gotta pass there. Shot
a vector MR, shot a victor h m R. And
I'm I'm I'm onto something. I think man like mechanical
fix doesn't really matter. Uh, somebody's for sure screaming. Now
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i'd say that, but in this, in this, in this
instance i'm discussing, let me finish here, it doesn't matter.
I think that the heavier arrow tracks better through traffic
through brush. And I'm not a proponent of shooting through brush.
I'm not deliberately doing it. But twice this year, once
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at a hog and once at up a deer, once
with a fixed, once with a mechanical I have hit
something on the way to the animal and it has
had zero effect on the arrow. And I think that
shooting a heavier arrow just I mean, it's it's the
laws of physics, right, Like an object emotion will remain
emotion until it forces acted upon it. And depending on
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the massive set object um, the force has yeah, has
a greater or less uh amount of effects on the arrow. Right.
So I think that because I'm shooting five D forty grains,
which isn't stupid heavy, but it's it's nice and heavy.
I really like where I'm at right now. I'll tell
you the truth. Because things are flying. You don't tell Isaac,
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I know, dude, hey, dude, but I haven't. I've shot
shot five deer and they've all been complete pass throughs
this year and some uh pretty hard quarters, you know. Yeah,
so yeah, and this one, I mean, I try to
hit his leg bone, you know, on the way out,
and still passed through. Now I think it did bend
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to blade on the leg bone, but I'm already I've
already made it through the whole critter, so I ain't
worried about that. And uh yeah, so I got to
go actually called you, uh, and I don't know where
you were at in your hunt. It's just literally had
spooked the buck, the big the first big one, so
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so you still have another deer encounter after pretty sick
about it, and uh, also very celebratory at the same time, weird,
feeling weird, and I that this deal was just like
such a blessing man because it's a hard hunt and
I just happened to be in a spot that worked well.
And I've been saying this it sounds excuse me, sounds
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kind of cliche, but dad gum, when you have faith,
there really ain't nothing cliche about it. Like, um, I
feel like I have been blessed I mean, this is
ain't prosperity. It's just the way it works right there.
The whole life is a blessing that we have, right
Like everything put here is a blessing that we get
to enjoy. So I'm not saying that like God's job
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in in the great universe just to make my life good.
That's not what I'm saying. But he does bless his people, right,
and it's it's cool because I feel like I've been blessed.
God just put some deer in front of me. Man,
It's just it is awesome, and I'm very very thankful
for it. And and that's not to say that he
ain't blessing you if you only had one deer in
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front of you this year. You know that's not what
That's not how this works. You know, it ain't a
token system. Um. His will will be done, and I
just happens to be his will for me to kill
a deer in Oklahoma, and I'm very thankful for that.
It was man, Thank you all for the help with
the recovery. He's a he's a main framemate with a
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big old split on his right G two and ends
up his left side that I thought was kind of smaller.
It really ain't all that smaller. Um, it was just
a weird angle I was looking at it. He did
have a main beam broke off on that side a
little bit, not so much that it affected like his look, right,
but like he broke like a two or three inch
piece off the end of his main beaming on side.
So maybe that's what I was seeing. I don't know,
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but it was you two on that side longer than
the other one is, which you know, of course he
put more effort in and growing a split on the
other side. I haven't measured it, but like that thing
might be over a foot long. It's out there, dude,
I don't know. It's he's a big dog. I'm gonna
get him mounted. I think I know because I dropped
him off. But um, he's the biggest body, dear, I've
ever shot. And I realized that, you know that slow
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motion thing that happens like at the moment of your
shot and shortly thereafter, um, like you just see it
like I can see it plain as a day. And
I remembered when I shot, he kind of like rolled
his body and I was like, hold of smokies. That's
a big body. An. I didn't realize how big he was,
and I didn't realize how big his antlers were, because
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this dear might weigh two and fifty pounds. I mean,
he's he's the biggest body, dear I've ever shot. He's huge,
and so like his rack is relative to that, I
didn't realize how big he is. Head on, that thing
was so big. He's got I call it a pizza head,
where like he didn't have like the moose nosed thing.
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You know, he's he's got this like really wide angle
to his head, like his jaw on the top of
his head is a wider angle. And he's just he's
so cool. Man. I love here. He too, Man, he too.
You're just awesome. They are. There's such a cool animal.
They can thrive in so many different areas and such
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harsh conditions, such wild, variable conditions, and they um are
big but also easily disappear in the landscape and just
like such a such a cool thing, also so unique.
You know, like there's some people out there gonna be
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mad about this man, but like turkeys, they look like
a turkey sandwich to me. Uh, definitely. You know, there's
there's there's stuff you gotta you gotta look at them harder.
But like you know, from distance, white tails look different
than each other, and from distance turkeys, you know, outside
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of the merriam's white fan and the eastern is darker
fan or whatever. You know, Like the intricacies are what
you have to look for when you get closer with
the deer men. It's like, oh, I can tell from
distance of that thing's got to split, you know, G
two or whatever. So I don't know, They're just they're
so unique. Just so, like I said, there are a
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big animal on the landscape and still yet very um
prosperous and like, uh lots of them and they live
in lots of places and can be hunted lots of
different ways and just so cool man. Yeah, man, they
are an awesome credit. And we're gonna be doing even
more of this uh hunting um coming up pretty soon,
(01:06:34):
so there should be a decent amount of stuff on
the old Element channel here guys coming out um, and
we appreciate you all support as we uh kind of
venture out and kind of do a few other things.
And I think it's gonna be really cool because we're
putting together um. If I can be so bold to say,
like some of the coolest white deil stuff that that
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will be on the old interwebs to be streamed I think.
I mean, I'm pretty partial, but we're working hard to
do that. But I mean, that's what that's what the
goal is. That's when we're sick, man, it's because we've
been working hard. Were run down. I think that for sure, man,
And you know that's what we're but that's what we've
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set out to do this year, and we may not
we may not always do that, guys. So hopefully you
enjoy what we're putting into it now, and we really
do when we talk about this stuff. We had we
actually had everybody sitting down when we got home and
you know, look at the old TV in my living room,
and we went through some of the videos the guys
have been shooting lately and talked about you know, we
did a critique and said, hey, here's you know, this
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stuff is awesome. Way to go, guys, But we are
trying to put together the best stuff. That's the goal.
Put together the best deer hunting videos that exists on
planet Earth. That's the goal. We may or may not
achieve it, but we're we're doing cool stuff, and Greg
and Michael and Eric have been a huge part of that,
helping us get that done. And so you know, but
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we still we still give them, you know, criticisms as
we go so that we can make this stuff top
top notch. One one's got a real weird arm. Yeah.
Other than that, you know, were pretty critical. I still
can't get over the dag um too behind us that
let us run over the tail lot? Sorry, let they
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ran over our let it fall off at going three.
Watched me from inside their warm truck while I tape
on a redneck version of a tail lot. So that's cool.
How did you find that tape? Because Eric's great directions. Yeah,
you know, um, we've learned this, I think through the
years that and Eric says something to the opposite of it,
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and it works out pretty good. And this is the
this is the case too. What the direction is to
find he says. When he says right back seat of
the cab, he means left of the bed. It ain't
just getting east and west mix up. It's like it's
it's way worse left right and cab and and and everything.
They Yeah, that did all right back there. They they
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they're doing some pretty good drive, and I think, you
know we're about to stop. Need some dinner, But real quick,
I want to talk about just a couple of things
before we do this that you know you may do. Look,
you know, as you look forward here to the middle
of November and starting to get into later November, we
enter a lockdown phase. A lot of people like to
call it. I'm not a super It's kind of similar
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to the October lull. For me. I think there's you know,
some things that are true there but exists, right yea,
just like you said, you went to a place that
you didn't have a whole lot of data and the
hunt was super slow. With that deer didn't just disappear magically.
He lived in that he lives somewhere. I had to
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get in. I'm convinced a three hundred yard diameter bubble
to kill that deer, and I happened to be there
that morning, And so with that, lockdown is gonna be
a similar deal. So you know, you gotta get in
the bubble. And that's the same. It's a good point.
It's the same uh idea that we've tried a few times.
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I think this is just an idea that you could
potentially could help you as well. But um, you find
a buck lockdown, you get inside his bubble and you
give him some some calls, you rattle to him, you
grind at him, you pull up a heads up decoy
or something like that in Montana decoy or whatever, and
I think, you know, you stand a good chance of
if you're inside that deer's bubble, of making something you know,
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pretty amazing happen potentially. Um. So you know there's an
idea um as far as like lockdown stuff goes. You know,
another thing is, um, you know we I think we
had somebody talk about this on Retfresh recently. But uh,
lockdown is when a deer, a buck is gonna put
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a single though probably in a position away from other animals.
So you don't want to be hunting if you if
you like lockdowns happening and you're not seeing the bucks,
then go hunt the homestead that's off to the side,
that's you know, an acre of timber and brush, or
go hunt the tippy top of a little canyon or
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draw that's got a few seaters in it. And you know,
just take a chance, right if you're if you're struggling already,
you might as well go do something somewhere you can
see a whole bunch of it. Yeah, this ain't even
gotta be a Western approach. I mean, like you could sit, um,
you know, up on a ridge in the big timber
and be able to look down a bunch of different
side finger ridges or draws or whatever. Or you could
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sit um, you know, on top of a silo that
has a bunch of different egg fields that are you know,
along the river bottom, and just if you can get
your eyes on a bunch of country, there's a decent
chance you see a buck that you can make a
move on. Bunty, bunty. I mean, those are a couple
of thoughts about how you might attack this thing going forward.
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And then at some point, you know, coming up around
Thanksgiving is a good time of year to be in
the woods too, So don't give up on it, man um.
I know you, you know, you've got family stuff going
on in that kind of thing there and Thanksgiving. But
those deer that are in lockdown in the middle of
the month here are are going to get back out
and start snooping around and searching, and you get you
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get right back into the dough betting or food sources
and those kind of things. You know you're gonna have those.
You might have a perpendicular trail that a buck's gonna
use on a food source where he's just basically walking
the inside edge of a uh tree line on a
on a you know, cornfield or whatever. Um, just checking
all those trails that lead into that stuff and laid
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out of that stuff and uh down wind sides of
thick bedding and stuff like that. So a couple of
thoughts there as we go forward, um into the next
couple of weeks. Um, you know, I don't I would
rather hunt late November than late October. And I know
that maybe like that might be a weird sentiment for
the this current culture of deer hunting and what you
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hear in media, But um, I would give me the
last weekend in November over the last weekend of October.
He rode the titan there at the six Flags. Unfortunately,
is which was more fun the kick or the the
bottom quarter of the Big Drop. The Kikikii was terrible,
(01:13:29):
and then the bottom quarter or whatever was a blackout,
So I'm not exactly sure for me, the bottom quarter
of the of the Big Drop is definitely the funnest.
So that's where you had you prostate problem started where
it started? Maybe there, or you know, riding on a
tune of boat going fifty miles an hour on eight
ft lays when a kid who knows but guys, if
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nothing else, make sure you're safe. Our lives gonna test
to it right the ruts of danger as time. You
know it could be times going everywhere. You know that
Coleman man, how many times we've almost been to put
our eyes out with you. You're in the back of
the draw so many times, so many times times. Watch
out for them browt times and remember this is your
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element limited
Hey, I'm the tell lot repair man and I'm the
Jones listening to what is going on everyone. We are shroudcasting,
(00:20):
we are headed north. It's exciting times around these parts.
We're together. We're gonna have a split scene and it's
not a banana split, although there are a few bananas
up here. We're gonna go a couple of different directions.
But uh uh, we got we we got a story
to lead into that. To tell you more about that
here in a little bit. But uh, right now, Tyler
Jones and the driver's seat, he's eyeing down this law
(00:43):
enforcement officer. He's got somebody else pulled over right now, thankfully,
because we got about one trailer lot in between all
of us right now. Hopefully it's sitting too incriminating. We
we try to make them work, so you know, we're
asking for grace. Well, we've only got three dudes that
help us out here, the element, and one of them
wasn't here, so I won't put the blame on him.
(01:05):
The other two did a good job of not seeing
or tail that fall off, going about three miles an
hour and running over it. Dad Gummant, Well, at least,
thankfully it's just the tail like cover, so the light
still works. Yeah, I just had to duct tape. I
took so, Like on this trailer, there's some running lights
(01:25):
that don't work as well, so I took the cover
off of one of them and taped it over the
light and now it actually it shines brighter than the
true tail lot, which is nice. Um, the inheritance of
this vehicle has been good and bad. Yeah, for sure,
it's it's been comfortable. Uh, it's pretty nice. If y'all
don't have a pop up camper, don't get one, I
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would say it's a it's a good thing to look at.
It is. Man, Sucker has got a good ac and heater,
so I'll take that. Very expensive, you know, Like I mean,
the new ones are super expensive. But like these things
are floating around out there and it ain't like a
you know, you just gotta make sure the canvas is
good and that the cables aren't broken. And if that's
the case, you're rocking and rolling, you know. Like Dude
(02:07):
and I don't know, ours has got like a bigger
bed on one end, and Tyler and I I think
you did it on purpose, I don't know, but we
ended up in that one it's like plenty big enough
to were Tyler and I don't touch, which we're not
into that. So if you listen to on the podcast
(02:28):
for a while, you know that there's a guy named
Brendan Rose, one of the best friends from high school.
And uh, you know, I've always been pretty comfortable in
my stance, if you know what I'm saying. And uh
so in high school we just slept. We just slept
in the same bad and no big deal. You know
if you stayed over to the house. We didn't like
make a palette or anything. Um well, um one and more.
(02:49):
One morning I woke up and Brinnon, he's got big
old lips. Okay, so um they're really noticeable and uh
handsome guy, let me tell you. Uh uh I hold
up and our foreheads were touching, like just straight up,
just forehead to forehead. Its lips are all up in
my face. And that was that was pretty uh scarring.
(03:12):
The last time left together. Yeah it might have been. Actually,
I don't know, dude. A lot of crazy things happen
when Brent and I um stayed the night each other's place.
He stayed over my house more often because he had
a couple of brothers and they didn't like to hunt,
so uh he came to my place and we definitely
like to hunt. Uh in touch foreheads. So I'll tell
another story before we get into what we're we're gonna
(03:34):
talk about. Um, we were getting ready to go to
the coast, you know, and we're rigging rose and stuff.
We're gonna leave the next morning. Shark fishing. Yeah, something else, Yeah,
shark fishing. And I had one of those um case
um toothpick knife you know I'm talking about. They're real sharp, right,
not sharp as in like you know, cut you but
quick quick. But they're they're cool looking. I always thought
(03:56):
that very attractive pocket knife because they're lightway eight and
the pretty and you know, I liked having that thing. Well,
I was cutting a piece of eighty pound mono, which
is you know, just a little short of weeder line.
You know, it's pretty thick, so it takes a little
gumption and uh, you know, I was probably seventeen at
the time, and I hadn't really learned all the things
of nice safe knife safety like I should. And uh,
(04:20):
I go to I'm pulling this thing back at me, right,
and this is just not what you're supposed to do.
Let this be a lesson of what not to do.
And I'm pulling hard and I'm thinking it's just gonna
cut and everything's gon fine. Well then it's just like
kind of snapped and I had that force against the
knife and I took that knife right up to my
face and stuck it right in my cheek about an
(04:43):
inch below my eye. I think it's still have a
little scar right there. Bled But like dude, I was.
I was a quarter inch from just cutting my eye out.
It was scary, dude, Brendon Lax tell us you, I said, Brendon,
I almost just died or something like that, because that
knife was long. If I had hit my eyeball right,
(05:04):
went right into the brain. And I was thinking about
that one time. I gotta had an awesome job one
time for about a week of cleaning um the fence
line around this sewage treatment plant at a resort one
time when I was in high school. So we had
we you know, they rented uh wood chipper Force, which is,
(05:27):
by the way, one of the scariest machines ever mat
and uh you know, man, my buddy Chris, so you know,
or sixteen, sixteen years old, probably, And we got this
thing out there. We're cleaning this fence line off everything
we can, you know, cut down and clean off and
chopping everything else. We throw in that wood chipper and
chip it up. And dude, uh, I hit myself with
(05:49):
like a vine or something so hard in the eye
one time I thought I lost my dad. And you know,
I think about that time a lot, especially, But like
when I when I think about this thing which I'm
about to say, is how many times over the course
of your life are you just so close to just
losing your arms, finger, losing your you know, as a
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young man, especially if you're outdoorsy or you know, do
farm stuff. It's a lot. It's a whole lot. Like scary, dude,
he is. I don't want my kids have to deal
with that, you know what I mean. I would say,
I'm with you, but better off learn it when you're young,
before you're too big enough to hurt yourself real bad,
you know. Like uh, like, if you learn to fall
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off a bucket when you're twelve, it hurts a lot
less than falling off a ladder when you're twenty, you know,
So like I don't know, this is like a weird
dynamic there that you have to approach a lot sooner
than I do. I got of the eyeball story hunt.
Uh you know, this is like the think Steve likes
to do. So we're gonna gross y'all out real good.
(06:57):
So I was inside seen a smith yes even yeah,
Stephen B. Jordan I think is his name, right, Uh
we Uh, I was in high school or seventh grade,
and we just got this new dear lease. Um, and
I didn't even archer you hunting, Like we were there
in October setting up a box blind to hunt out of.
(07:20):
And uh we built this box blind. I was real,
real proud of it then, you know, I was in
pride back then, and uh I built this box blind myself,
you know, and cut out the windows and put the
hinges on and all that and painted it. You know,
it was a big deal, paint your on box blind.
If you're from the South, you probably kind of get
this a little bit, you know, like it was kind
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of cool to set up your box line and stuff.
If you're not from the South, just imagine like a
red Nick blind, but it actually being red Nick. That's
what we did. You know. If you're not from the
South and just imagine how you used to paint your
barbie houses and that's the same, but it's cameo. That's right. Well, well,
you know, my dad had a little Nissan pickup and
(08:01):
we had two things strapped them back of the truck.
Drove the deer lease. Um, which is funny that it's
a thing, but like we had a dear lease that
was like forty five miles from the house and it's
like the same habitat that we live in. So could
we just not find one like right up the road?
You know, like we didn't gain anything by going there.
I don't know. I I don't know how that worked,
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you know, I was, but I was excited because I
was too young to care. No, it was over there
the other side of like, uh Mount Vernon somewhere. It
was like, uh, you know we're um, uh what's yeah,
that's where that's yeah, for sure, I don't go that
(08:44):
way as other side of like Mona Cella and uh.
It's one of those real cool things that the family
also kind of hunted it when we weren't there. I
love then, you know, it's a good you know, Communism
is the best and near least and other things too. Yeah, Anyways,
I we were like, cedar trees are synonymous with deer hunting, right, Like,
it's just like, oh, yeah, you don't want that cedar
(09:06):
you know. Um, so you're gonna hide that box blind
that So you're like, no, the de're gonna get used
to if you put in the middle pasture don't matter.
So we were like taking like a quarter out of
the cedar treated nestle that box blind up in right. Well,
I'm a really big seventh grader, like, and I think
I'm the strongest guy in the world. I was the
strongest guy. Ats cool, you know. So I'm like, I'm
just gonna go in there and break these limbs off. Well,
(09:29):
the worst I reach up, I weach up, I'm tired,
and grab the cedar limb with my right hand. It's
then the trunk is on my left right. It's a
cedar tree. It's probably like ten foot tall. So the
trunk is about the size of your neck right there
at the at the hot that I'm breaking this limb off,
it's about five ft high. And I go and I
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grab it. I'm thinking it's gonna break off at the trunk. Well, no,
I've been this thing really far and it breaks off
right in my hand, and all of that connectic energy
exactly snap snaps back and hits me square in the
left eye, and I just go to squall and I'm
not crying, but I'm doing the whole like, you know,
(10:11):
like my dad's like he's like, I just I was
gonna look over and there's gonna be an eyeball hanging
from that stick. My eye was intact, but my eyelid
got ripped like a good three quarters of an eche
straight up, so like it's just kind of flopping around. Yeah,
And if you look real close, I still got some
eyelashes that are a little crooked right there. Um. But
(10:34):
I and I had to have lacey because I had
um like a I had some cedar up in my
lens right there. And I didn't remember that lacing being
real weird because like you could like your eyes open, right,
so you're just aware I can't. But just the things
(10:54):
that like almost put you out of the business, you
know what I mean. Imagine if I had done that
the other way and then my right eye when I
actually got put out, I'd have been like, you know,
old gentry lefty back there shooting with the wrong hand,
you know, like, uh, it would have been it would
have just altered your hunting life. You know. It's scary
(11:16):
about that stuff when I start going out, I know
from whom all blessings floats, and like I think about
that stuff when we go out on these trips of like,
you know, because you know, I'm risky and I but
I have to tell myself sometimes is it really worth
like jumping this six foot creek? Uh, when I could
(11:39):
like tear a meniscus and then like not be able
to go elk hunting next year or something. You know,
Like there's always this thing of like maybe I shouldn't
do that, you know, like and I think that there's
a there's definitely a way you can lean too far
the other side of the pendulum of like just being
overly cautious about things like YouTube cops, Yes, you need
(12:03):
to actually make sure you have a doubly hitched overhand
er right there underhand. You know, it's like, oh guy,
it's not h Yeah. We so we actually have got
a couple of videos on our channel about, um, you know,
how to hunt from a saddle, how to shoot from
a saddle, how to climb in a saddle, you know,
(12:24):
we use those Cruiser saddles are super comfortable, very very safe,
um Tyler I both used the x C, which is
a single panel but it's pleated so it's like makes
for a very comfortable see it and actually be a
size one before we know it. And I'm careful. Oh
my gosh, I'm trying three sizes and you might just
think that you fall in the size too, but that's
not the case. Yeah, chat will tell you different. He's
(12:46):
real good at the side. It's actually more about your
height and weight. I think more than just your weight.
It's like it's not just based on your like way size. Yeah. Well, um, anyways,
they're they're super comfortable, and uh, I'm hoping to be
wearing one a lot this trip because I kind of
tired of chasing these near on the ground. Sometimes I
like to hang in the tree. Shot one from the tree.
One stick up recently, but we'll talk about that in
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a second. But if you haven't, go check out a
cruiser on the internet. So on the webs and U
get yourself a saddle because it's the most comfortablehunt you're
gonna you're gonna have this year, So super um man,
it's just as far as just being mobile and yeah,
you know, making things work. It's it's the way to
get into a tree and kill something. And you don't
have to break the limbs of a cedar tree to
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put your box blind up. That's right. It keeps you
safe and more than one way, you know. Yeah. Yeah,
So anyways, that's Do you have any more dismemberment stories
that we should share? And I've because I've been a
guitar player, I've been trying. I've tried to be careful,
very careful with your hands. Yeah. Yeah, Tyler. Tyler is
a glove wearer and uh, you know, just watches out.
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I can tell you. I don't know what it is,
but he gets more stickers in his fingers and anybody
other man, I don't know what it is. What is
it always getting a sticker? And come dad, you don't know?
I had one. Uh. We got back to South Dakota
and you know, been around the house for a little
bit or whatever, and I got short song because it's
four hundred degrees in Texas and even in October, and
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I look down and kind of got this thing that's
like welpen up. It looks like a dag um, spider bite,
you know, and uh, I didn't pay much chance to it. Well,
next day it was even worse, and I was like
looking at it, I was like, there's a thorn in
my knee. It's been there for like five days, you know,
I didn't even know it was in that too. After that,
what were we getting into in South Dakota? That is
(14:33):
it from whenever we uh did all that nighttime business
or something? Oh, that's probably it. Yeah, we are tracking
a deer in the night and had so much dag
um just stickers everything, all kinds of stickers and thickness.
That was one of the thickest places I've ever been.
It was no wonder Big Bucks lived there. And if
you're wondering, hey, guys, where's that story, where's that footage?
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Do not to spare you will be able to see it. However,
it will be in a little bit different format than
you used to uh if you haven't heard. Um, we
have been blessed with the opportunity to uh do a
little bit of stuff on the meter channel as well
as our own channel, So that hunt will be on
the Meteor channel next uh like early fall. So that
and a bunch of other cool stuff we're doing. All
(15:15):
that buck truck business that you've been seeing will be
on that. But we will have some more Element stuff
coming out pretty soon. Yeah, we're actually doing a lot
more hunts in the next few weeks for that kind
of stuff. So so sorry about maybe a little bit
of lack of videos for you on the Element channel,
But just know it's one of the deals. It's like
a it's like planting seeds, man, the the payoffs on
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the back end. You know, whenever that tomato finally ripens up,
that Cherokee purple gets a little bit of that darkness
on the bottom, it's gonna be good. And that's what's
gonna happen. Nex. You know, we we actually, um, we're
pre recording this little bit ahead of time because Casey
and I are going to split ways, like you said,
Manana splits um, So we have to kind of get
this recorded a couple of days in advance. By the
time this airs and you hear this, there's a there's
(15:58):
a pretty good chance we've got a newer video out. Uh,
Casey's chasing some deer on public and has a really
close encounter. Should have gotten it done, but sometimes, uh,
sometimes the big buck sits up or stands up to
pee and you're in a bad spot, and that's kind
of what happens. Yeah, and uh, it's it's by no
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means Greg was filming me that day is by no
means his fault. But it was one of the situations
where if we weren't filming, it could have gone differently,
but because we were filming, um, it just didn't happen.
I had one of those instances in Oklahoma recently actually,
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So yeah, it's it's kind of crazy how much that changes.
And I'm not trying to complain. We love filming. I
can't imagine not filming hunts now, you know, because it's
just if nothing else. You talked about this a lot
whenever we first started doing this. It kind of was
your way to convince me to film hunts, I think.
But like just being able to watch it you're self, Man,
it's so cool. I love getting to relive this stuff,
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I know. Man. Um, so uh, I'm not, like I said,
not blaming. Yeah, dude, make good point there. Like what's
crazy about this stuff is like you're asking me about
a mount recently for him, and you're like, what do
you think about a full sneak, and I was like, oh,
I wouldn't do it with a pencil neck, dear, you know.
And then you told me which deer you're talking about,
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which we'll talk about here in a second, and he
doesn't have a pencil neck, so it works. But you're like, man,
I just I just can I just picture that dude
walking under some willows you know or whatever kind of
made a full sneak, And I was like, dude, what's
crazy is I was not there, but I saw some
of the footage of walking in and that's how I
picture him too in my mind. And that's that's the thing,
is like you've got these moments that, uh that sometimes
(17:47):
you picture in and as the deer comes in or
in the hunt, right, but like you kind of blank
on other moments too, and so just to fill those
gaps in with foot it just just a cool thing.
It's kind of a give and take too, because like, um,
there will be moments that like my mind's eyes actually
(18:08):
better than the camera. But I watched enough to where
like I kind of almost forget my experience, you know,
and then the camera the cameras takes over, which is
I don't know, it's it's kind of cool, I guess too,
because it's what everybody gets to experience, you know. But
I kind of do my best to not lose that,
like the first person point of view two that I
have on these things sometimes, but the camera does catch
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things that I don't get to see as well because
I'm grabbing my bow or I'm folks like, for instance,
on we don't we don't want to tell that yet. Uh,
let's let's get into that. Let's do let's get into
a little bit. Okay, so um we uh sign and
go up to old woke homie Smoklahoma and Oklahoma depends
on who you are really what you call it. There's
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definitely some Joklahoma. There's even a little Toklahoma. We weren't
a part of that there. He has a lot of
that going on there. Yeah, thought about that the other day.
It's kind of kind of weird, kind of cool. I
don't know, I mean, ain't my thing, but you know
what freedom let freedom ring baby. Um So anyways, um,
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it's as y'all know, like the rut this year is weird,
and I think it's kind of a fun thing. Are
not fun, but it's a it's kind of like the Grind.
People like talking about the Grind, and they also like about,
oh it Root's weird this year, you know, but I
really think it would. We've been talking to people from
all across the country. Another thing you may or man,
I know, we've been running the rout Fresh podcast for
Mark Kenyon on the Wired Hunt platform, and so every
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week we have to talk to at least four dudes
from across the country and you know, hear what they've
been seeing, and so I feel like we have a
pretty accurate picture of what's going on literally like almost
nationwide in the RUT. And everybody has had this sentiment
in the first couple of weeks of it being hot
and the and being lackluster, you know, movement, and uh
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suddenly things, you know, we've gotten some weather and things
seem to be changing in a lot areas right now.
I think that, Um, if you took a rut castion
early and it was tough for you, I'm sorry, but
I think that patients is going to pay off a
lot this year for a lot of people. You don't
need to feel like I want to do this hype
at the end too, but let's go ahead and throw
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it in here right now, if it's November and you
didn't killed your buck yet, do not despair right like this,
there's still got twenty good days if not more after that,
right like, don't feel like you gotta bust out of
smoke pole to make one, make it happen, or to um.
You know that you're just not gonna see a big
buck this year. And there's probably a lot of people
that have seen the ranch buck and that dear I
(20:37):
killed on November thirty, if he came in as you
if you've seen it, he comes in, nosing, does around,
and you know that's I mean, he's there in daylight
and eight at a thirty nosing does around. And when
I first saw him, before I ever even I mean,
fifteen minutesfore I ever got footage of him, he was
following a dough just walking right behind her. So that's
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you know, that's no I mean. And we have a
fairly regular date set. We're a little bit we're probably
a week behind most places in the country or so,
you know. So there's hope and we can go on
more in that later on. But I think that the
big emphasis here is that the first couple of weeks
of November were overly hot. There were dose being bred,
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and there were bucks doing the thing. But I mean,
truth be told, I think it was hot enough that
it affected buck activity, which is strange, right, because the
cycle is the cycle. I'm convinced of it, right, But
does the drought affect the cycle? My dude, I don't know. See,
that's the that's the thing. And we talked about this too.
We probably have already talked about this in the podcast,
but it's good to talk about. Like our Julian calendar
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or whatever you want to call it that we have now,
Like the current modern calendar that the world operates on
is not a fixed right. November seven is not the
same day every year of the lunar cycle, of the
diurnal cycle, or whatever you however you want to call it. Right,
Like the day November seven is not always twelve hours
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and forty seven minutes long. It's gonna vary. I would think, um,
up to maybe uh seven day cushion on each side
possibly for how that falls on a calendar versus how
it actually works with like the amount of daylight that
enters a deer's eye, right, So um, that's gonna change,
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whether it's gonna have an impact on this stuff. Um,
you know, uh this, I'm gonna try to not make
this weird or whatever. But um, human females whenever they
spend it a lot of time together, sync up with
their cycles. Right. It's a it's a proven thing. It's
kind of weird. It's a social thing that we can't
quite understand. Um, women in general we can't understand. But
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I don't know why there's so social. Man, I won't
be in a hole by myself. But anyways, I wonder
if like, here's a hypothesis for you, Okay, and uh,
it would take a lot more proven than I care
to do to to to test it. But maybe the
drought concentrated dose in a more specific area because they
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had to relate to water or specific food sources more
and so the dose sync up in a different fashion
they normally would um for the fall. Or maybe it's
food related with the drought where they did, they aren't
as healthy going into the fall, So maybe those cycles
are just a little weird or the same thing. Maybe
the food uh is very localized, so all the doughs
(23:41):
are spending time together. Maybe it's a buck thing too.
We might be putting too much emphasis on the doughs.
Maybe the bucks. Um, Okay, here's another thing. We've noticed.
There's a lot of broken ties this year, like more
than normal. And I we were talking about this before
the podcast that it probably has something to do with
nutrition or it could have to do if a density
of bucks. Maybe they're closer together so they're countering each
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other more. Uh, and they're breaking more antlers. I don't know,
but there's there's a bunch of social stuff. I think
Tony Peterson talks about this. He's like, I think he's
said something to this effect. Uh, we're the guy who
knows the most about white tail probably still only knows
like three percent about what actually happens in the white
tail world, you know. So like there's so many things
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out there that we'll never have a grasp of. And
this is where like a sense of collectivism can be
a good thing, right, where you group your thoughts together
about a passion like we all have, and we can
share this stuff on podcasts and talk to other hunters.
And maybe I know one half a percent about white
tell and you know one half percent about white tail,
but then we can combine those and talk about it.
(24:46):
Together and all of a sudden, we're like, I thought
about that, man, So um, all this to talk about
how the first part of November was actually very difficult
rut hunting. You and I, uh, we've talked about this
about our Kansas stuff. We killed bucks in not super
ruddy fashions. Your yours was like probably a one out
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of ten on the rut scale. I mean he was
I think he was. I think he was checking checking, So,
I mean, I don't I don't know if he was
gonna be running does or anything there when he does around,
but he was definitely walking the down wind side. Uh
that draw basically that's kind of what my buck was
(25:29):
doing too. He was actually on the up wind side
of things. So you know, I don't know that works.
It works really good for me. But he did come
into antlers. But I always think about that as being
a shoulder tactic, you know, like it's not a it's
not a dead dog heat of the rut my favorite
thing to do, but like on the front or the
back of it. I think they're real responsive to that
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because they're they're looking, you know, he's thinking about that stuff,
and you're fighting because there's just a few doze in,
so you know, kind of killed him doing ruddy stuff.
But it was hot. You know, their hawks weren't just
dripping nasty, you know, they were just kind of getting
into it a little bit. My dear smelled a little bit,
not crazy. Um, but then we went to Oklahoma and
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it was like dead Now it's you know, a good
bit further south right, and that probably has some effect
on it too, But I mean we were just not
seeing rut action at all. There would be fields with
those in it and just not even of two year
old out there. It's weird. I mean there was, I
don't know, there was like I had you did rattle
(26:36):
a buck in for me the first evening we were
driving around. We're close close to public and basically Greg
sees a deer all of her sore in the buck truck,
and uh we kind of make a quick plan, pile out,
and long story short, you rattle a buck across the
road onto public, and um, he was not coming straight
(26:59):
to you, nor was he coming down wind, which is weird.
Uh So he was just kind of he just kind
of was coming to see if he could see something,
but he wasn't super fired up. And then I did
have another buck that was following a dough that I
made an attempt at that was not super amped up,
but he was walking fifty yards behind the dough was
coming down into bedding. So but like, if that deer
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would have been fired up, we would have killed him.
But he was not. He was not even fired enough
up enough to follow the dough, even though he wasn't
very spooked when he saw us. I think they're just
like because we saw a buck doing a deal like
that too, where he's with the dough for about fifteen
seconds and then she kind of split one way and
he went to the other. He's just kind of like,
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I'm gonna do just the tiniest bit more than just
kind of beating here. It was mornings and evenings where
like we were sitting either in spots that were like
suit should have been super highways for deer movement, dear
bucks traveling up and down and went and you know,
checking win for dose and or places that like you
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could see tons of country and one morning, dude, you
saw like probably one group of ten and several other
small groups of those that had like no bucks with them.
Oh better in the open, you know, like I've also
noticed this too, that those do this certain thing this
time of year, where especially in the evenings, they do
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the staging thing where they they want to be seen.
I think they'll find either elevation or an open pocket
in the back of a field where there's they're not feeding,
they're not doing anything, They're just staged up, just kind
of waiting almost like hey guys, I'm on display, you know,
kind of like girls strutting around. You know. It's kind
of what I think that, Um, the dose get molested
(28:50):
by the bucks and they kind of get tired of
it in the rut, but at the same time, like
God has given them a sense of need to reproduce too,
so like there's some part of a Doe who also
is in estrus more than just the physical sense this
time of year, like socially there accepting I mean like
the standing extrus thing right. Like I said, it's a
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thing that people talk about, but I think that they
even do this whole I come check me out kind
of deal. Uh. And I saw does doing that that
were just there was no bucks in the evenings and
it's like what is going on? And um, we saw
a buck from the road. I love too. Buck truck it.
And when I say that, I mean drive around in
the truck and just look at deer. And I had
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the opportunity to do that on this trip of good,
good amount, which is nice because I usually am last
day Sally, just trying to do whatever I can to
find one. And um we saw at eight thirty on
a misty morning, which I like to hunt. I love
an overcast kind of misty morning. Um uh for some
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historical reasons, um starting with nameless, maybe not starting with
but yeah, and um I saw a buck at eight
thirty betted underneath the cedar tree, mature buck by himself,
no other deal anywhere in the in the area, and
that just shouldn't happen in mid November. I mean it's
like he's a buck. Oh, I mean is that what
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he identified as. I didn't get a chance to ask him.
But he had the hardware and the software. Uh so
yeah he was. He was no Antler dough I don't believe.
So he was. He was the real deal. Lucille, and
I just couldn't believe, like it was a deer that
you and I would both would shoot for sure, like
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big big buck and um yeah, just no in terrisante
Man just weird. But um, I did have a good
hunt on this trip. Uh, I have historical data in
the area. We actually hung a multary camera there a
year ago and it is still running. It's one of
those cell cams. It's a Delta base and that thing.
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We had it sit conservatively throughout the year to only
upload once a day and it only takes one picture
when it triggers. You know, it's not on burst or anything.
Um and uh, like it's almost been there a year
right now and it still has like thirty battery. I
believe Moultrie Sinus their very own moultry batteries. Yeah, and
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whatever they you know, I don't know who makes them
or what they're made out of, but they uh they're
wrapping with a multuy wrap and those are the ones
that are in there. I think, Yeah, it's nothing, nothing fancy,
they're yeah. Uh so they work really good. And uh,
I'm very thankful for the data we have for that
camera because uh, since pictures all summer were hyped about
(31:45):
some big bucks. Um, we were getting some bucks on
camera early in November and then as of late there
weren't that many. And I actually went and hunted a
different place as my first morning sit, which I like.
I like mornings in general. I like mornings. I feel
like you have a bigger window of time that deer
(32:08):
on their feet in the mornings. And I also feel
as if, um, in hotter weather, you have cooler TIMPs
in the mornings, so like, especially in these hot rut dates, Um,
like it's November seventh or eighth, and it's like seventy
degrees until sunset. Like, man, you just feel like you're
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hunting for the last ten minutes pretty much. And I
have a hard time with that. And I'll do it,
and I mean I do it, you know, half the time, right,
but it's not my favorite thing to do. So you know,
long story shorter, really like mornings. And uh I chose
my first morning in a different spot where I had
historical encounters with a really big buck. I actually set
up over the bed this buck had used, and uh
(32:51):
I didn't see it deer, so I was down. Man,
how many how many bucks are you killed in mornings
versus evenings? This year? Let me think about that. I've killed, um,
two evening bucks and three morning bucks. Missed another morning
buck actually missed a couple of morning bucks. Uh, but
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really a real tough miss on another morning buck on
Texas Public. So shotting three bucks in the evening this year?
How about that? It's funny because that's how you and
I both leaned anyway, Um, I think that. But I
think that we both like the other hunt as plenty
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well enough. It's just I kind of tend to lean
a little more. Missing mornings in October. Yeah, it's time
to be hunting for sure. Um. Now that that does
go to say that, like late season mornings are tough,
food source anything. Food source mornings are real difficult unless
you're hunting like that secondary gotta find a way to
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get close to the bed man, you know. But like
a lot of times you in a lot on a
lot of properties, right, I mean on a big public piece,
it's one thing. But if you have a small polic
piece or private parcel you're hunting and there's an agg around, like,
it's kind of hard sometimes to keep. Yeah, it's all
it's all uh, scenario driven. You know, your decisions are
(34:17):
so and but that's what I like to do a lot.
I like I've killed um a couple of deer I
think this year. Um, by setting up and have some
really good encounters to by, like getting down wind of
the food quite a ways and hunting deer on their
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way back to bed, or betting them and making stalks
on them. Um, I just I like that in the mornings.
I feel like the deer on their feet in good
daylight and you can usually make a play. Well, that's
what the plan was that morning, went in their historical data,
but no, didn't have a truck came in that spot.
We saw two scrapes in the head lamp on the
way in, like and it's just like feeling good. M
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And I'll tell you something, Tyler M. I have been
a proponent of scrapes a lot throughout our podcasting days.
The scrapes haven't treated me all that well this year. Uh,
I don't know what that's about. I still think that,
like late November, scrapes are a good thing because you
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end up really understanding which scrapes are the ones that
are getting used a lot. And if there's a scrape
near you and it buck does come in, there's a
decent chance he comes over there. But like just being like, oh,
there's a couple of good scrapes there. Let's go sit
up in the area that has not or just finding
some of the way in. It's like false confidence almost
UM hasn't hasn't really paid off. I would say too much.
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I'm not. I'm not off of them. I'm just saying
like I've been reconsidering a lot of things about signing
this year. Actually, UM, pay more attention to rubs and uh,
that seems to have pay off a little bit. But anyways,
we didn't see anything that morning. That's a long long
tail to tell you we didn't see anything. I love
to set up, dude, here's the deal. Anytime you're like, oh,
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this tree is the best, I love this set up,
he usually doesn't pay off. UM. So we made a
plan for that next evening. Uh. And I'm I'm like
wanting to hunt from a tree because I killed it
deer on the ground in Kansas. And I'm like, Okay,
it's time to set up in this cruiser saddle and
hunt from a tree. We get on the get on
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the maps, doing some on X and you know, and
and they're finding places, are using the crop datta layer
a lot because the food sources are limited this year
because of the drought. So we're finding food sources on
the crop data layer and then checking them in the truck,
and we found one that was real good. We're really
excited about it. And uh because not all of them
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are good because uh, they've been planted but we haven't.
They haven't had water in a lot of areas, right,
and uh, no water means no plans. So you got
some that were playing at the right time and some
that still haven't received any water, so we have to
go check on pretty much. Yeah, it's um, we found
a really good one. And the place to hunt is
like an over a mile from the spot. You park
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something and oh, this is gonna be awesome, and pull
in their park and there's no cars anywhere. Uh. We
walk about a mile and a tent back there and
start like looking for a tree and I see the
tree that we're gonna get into like eight yards and
then like a dude steps out from It's no, he
didn't see us, so but yeah, he definitely got humbobwei
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or whatever that guys what's that guy's name that going?
He would said that. Yeah. Yeah, Oh my gosh, you
shouldn't have said it. I can see him right now. No, no, no, no,
uh ma tumbo, that's right. Yeah yeah, um, well, um
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he never sees us. We leave out of there if
and a really good sign on the on the way
out too. It's like, oh, I'd like to hang a
camera here, but it's got dudes. So um we bounce
and here's where the public land shuffle starts. This is
when you put the clown nose on guys, because you can.
You like when your first plan messes up, like you
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need to have a backup plan, and I didn't have
a great one that night. I knew there were some
places close that I could bounce to, but I didn't
like them very much. That's the hard part. It's like
when you're up here with limited food, limited pieces of
public ground to hunt, you're just like in a in
a pinch. You know you're sending a bad spot where
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I could go over here, but it looks terrible. I
can go over here, we've seen to do in the pass,
but the food is not good. Like, oh, there's two
trucks there. We ran into that. You know, my first
bounced place had two trucks. So then you get to
the point that even where it's like, okay, I don't
have time to go set up in a tree now,
so I'm gonna be on the ground. What should I do?
And I probably opted for the wrong thing, and uh
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actually went in on the ground and did some rattling
and definitely did some marking some spot off because they
were zero deer sign when the guy that walked in
on me with rattle nailers, yeah it's me and uh
there's no trucks there. Okay, so if you've got dropped off,
I'm sorry, but that's uh, that's the way love goes. Baby.
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Uh so, um, there there's no deer on this place
at all, No, no dude commercial man. Well, um, on
the way out, we got like thirty minutes left the daylight,
Greg and I are almost back the truck. We're talking
in our normal voices, and all of a sudden we
spook a buck like right by the truck. Where did
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you come from? And then that's just you know, dirt
in your eyessaulting the wound at that point in time,
like I'm just the dumbest of the dummies. Um, just
feeling so stupid, you know, just done a bunch of
stupid things that night, when really what I should have
done is drive around and learn more stuff about what
deer we're doing. And I feel like it's a hindsight thing,
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but I feel like I would have done better with that. Um,
what were you doing at this point in time? Um,
there's another person who running lights up there? Do you
come in? Here's how we rolled. I don't know what
I was doing. I think I spent a lot of
time on the ground or did you ever hang in
a tree? Um? On the whole trip? Uh by at
this point in time. I don't know what point in
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time this is really, but kind of the first evening,
the first evening, uh first second evening. Man, I don't know.
I don't know. I don't even know if I had
my old play by play. I just know that that
the it's probably the next morning when I had my encounter. That's,
oh yeah, we had that all I remember. We had
two good mornings, right, So go ahead and tell us
about your nixt one. Well, so I ended up, you know,
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I talked about it earlier, but I saw, you know,
next morning happens and I and I've got a big
piece of property picked out, and I mean it's there's
some remote country that is pretty far from agg but
I'm like, man, there's a little bit of bag over
here that's growing, and I think you had told me that,
and I went and looked at it or something. Well,
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I was gonna make a play on deer coming back
from that and I get in there, so it's getting light,
and I'm like, I don't like where I'm sitting, looking
at the map, looking at what, you know, how steep
this little draw is, and I don't like it, and
I'm like, Okay, I gotta gonna make a play down
here a little bit further in. So we we work in.
As we're working, you know, across of course, a big
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buck comes across the saddle from the direction we're headed
and sees us big buck. Anyway, we worked down into
the main draw and I see, uh, you were You're
late or just got caught. We were. We were in there,
just sitting in the dark for a while, and I
had to see what everything looked like to realize that
I wasn't in the right spot. And once I did that,
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you know, that's when we made our play. So anyway,
made a play as you know, deer thirty, and it
was just what it is. So I remember how this
morning went. Is this the same morning? Yeah, the same
morning that we Uh, we're doing like a drop off
for y'all, and then you like get out of the
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truck and then realize, I can't glass from here this morning.
It's too foggy. So we all have to like kind
of rethink the whole morning and uh end up like
y'all were, ya were there early. We had to go
set up in a tree, so we were actually were
running a little behind. Yeah, well we we ended up
working down into the main drawing. As we're doing that,
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you know, I'm looking at maps. There it goes there's
a deer and uh, I pull up my buying ose.
Yeah it's a dough and then all of a sudden
there's a deer coming over the hill behind her, and
it's it's a good buck. I can tell from here.
So I'm like, when he goes behind this little you
know hill, we're gonna drop down, take off at him.
Probably four or five yards goes down. We dropped down,
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we're hauling, we're you know, walking fast. Um, I couldn't
run that far as just a long ways. Well we
get over pretty quick. Um, and he hadn't even made
it down into like the finger drawl that he's in.
I guess there's finger drawls, and then I'll in this story,
I'll just call for the sake of it, I'll call
the I'll call fingers will be like actual like little
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ridges that that die in the main canyon basically, So
the draws are between the ridges. But there's finger draws
and fingers. So, uh, for the sake of this story,
just remember that. Anyway, So this buck is up on
a finger up kind of higher up, you know, and
we're down to the bottom. We get caught out in
the middle, like a hundred and twenty yards from it, probably,
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and but we stopped as soon as we saw his
rat coming up over the hills, so he didn't really
get us that bad. But we are just some blobs
standing out there kind of wide open. Those already gone
through the finger drawl. Well, the buck, the buck stands
there for forever looking at us, and he's pretty relaxed
years like his you know, just demeanor is is pretty relaxed.
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But he does he is cautious of what these two
blobs might be, even though they hadn't seen him move yet.
So he starts to kind of work, uh to our right,
which is he's going to get our wind right. But
he's he's moving very slow and relaxed, like I said,
he's just gonna walk over there. Um. And so he
starts to walk across this finger and he starts to
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I can see that he's gonna end up walking to
where you know, he walks on the other side of
the finger in enough elevation that he can't see us,
and so he's still walking kind of across the top. Well,
I'm I tell Eric, I'm like, hey, let's uh, you know,
as soon as and I should have I should have
been more clear, but I told him, as soon as
this buck gets you know, we get out of sight,
we're taken off. So uh, he gets out of sight
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and you can see his rack still. But you know,
time is of the essence here because because he's going
to try to get our wind come out on the
other side of the finger or whatever. And I gotta
get to this finger so that I can get a
shot at him, so his antlers. I can see him,
but I can see it, I can't see his head.
I take off, and I don't know, I don't think
he saw us. I think he was just kind of
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like doing a thing where he's walking sideways and he's
gonna walk back and check one more time before he
get back over. So I see his antler's turn and
he starts to walk kind of back up the hill
to get look at us. I stopped and then and
Eric still walking, And I don't know, this is where
like same deal as you were talking about earlier, where
like if I hadn't had a caraman, I think this
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would have worked out really nicely. But when you have cameraman, um,
you're kind of asking him to be a pro hunter
and a pro cameraman at the same time. And Eric
was being a pro cameraman for sure. He was nailing
all the angles, you know what I mean. That was
that was not supposed to be a joke, but yes,
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it is funny. But like he was, he was like
very concerned with getting too angle of this whole awesome
and it's great footage, y'all all see it, you know, uh,
next summer. But the the as he's trying to work
his his cameras and stuff, he's not paying attention to
this deer coming back up the hill. So he's still
walking and gets caught all of a sudden, the deer
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is on high alert and got the forward years and
everything like that. So and then he starts doing the
chicken head bob thing when he walks, you know, and
he's picking up his pace and so it makes it
way more difficult. Well, he goes back over the hill
chicken head and and uh, we take off at the
point of this finger and I get to it, and
I hook around the side and I kneel down, knocking
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arrow and range this plum this plump thicket at and uh.
When I kind of pulled down, I'm kind of looking.
I lean out a little bit. I'm trying to see, like,
is there anything else I can I can range right
in there, and all of a sudden, this sucker just
appears and he's looking right at me, you know what
I mean. And oh, man bad and so uh he
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he bounds off. He sits there and looks just for
a second. Then he bounds off and I draw back
and he quickly he was at fifty I think he
quickly gets uh further than that, which I don't feel
comfortable taking at the time. And um, he and I
can see him. I'm at full drawal. I can see
him slowing down, fixing the stop and look, but it's
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gonna be like seventy. So I just let down real
quick and lean back against the the Finger mountain, you know,
and I'm like hoping that he just gets curious again,
you know what I mean, which he does in because
he's about near down window us. He's not a two
year old and south to go. He's a toad in Oklahoma,
and he's heavy and just a nice eight. But anyway,
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he takes off. So that was pretty much but made
encounter was pretty much my uh, the majority of my
excitement on the trip, and um, after that things just
got really difficult. I don't think we saw a deer. Well,
we did see three does the next morning from way
way far away, but like we didn't hardly see nothing
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the next agrest of the trip. So that same morning, um,
after we worked out all of the relocation and stuff
of of y'all, Greg and I went to the place
that we've had a camera hanging for a long time,
and uh, even though we didn't have great camera data
from that right, it was still um like I just
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knew that it's a good spot because also hunted there
quite a bit, and I just know I had some
good We had some good pictures of bucks, but they're
all night, Yeah, pretty much. And uh I just know
that we're just on that. Like again I say, in
the front shoulder of the rug, I just know at
any point in time it's gonna turn on. And so
like it's worth hunting this spot. It's a great runt funnel.
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It's just it's got what you want, man. And uh
so just still like out of that hunter's intuition and
like it's worth going in there, even though the camera
hadn't been shown too much. And you know, don't get
me wrong, we like these cameras guys, and they worked
real good, but they don't tell you everything. And I
mean our buddy Mark over tell you the same exact thing, right,
Like they just aren't. They aren't what they crack up
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to be, you know, are like what some people are
trying to make them out to be. Like the oh
you just know wherever dear is even just going and
shoot him as soon as you show up on camera.
It's just not how it works, man. So I went
in there without good camera data, but I knew I had.
I had the wind that I love, and that is
a like tough to hunt. But do your favorable wind
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where it's blowing about fifteen degrees good enough, you know
what I mean. Like if it was if I mean,
if it was lighter, it would swirl into a bad place.
But it's it's strong. It's like twelve plus um. So
that's nice. We uh, we get in and I know
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we're there are a few trees. I've marked some hanging
trees in the past, but actually I make a audible.
I planned on hunting like about a hundred yards in
this spot, and I just I'm looking at the wind direction.
I'm thinking about the way the hills work in the
bottom works and stuff. I'm thinking, this is gonna actually
work a little bit better for this wind. I'm gonna
go set up and be a little more conservative because
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we got some hunts ahead of us. Go in there,
and the trees here are not all that great. I actually,
you know, I'm not a I'm not a red light guy.
I turned my high beams on. Whenever I'm looking for
a tree to get in, I'm trying to figure out
which one's gonna be the best one. And uh, I
still had to pick a willow tree that I was
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one stick high in my platform is probably six ft
off the ground. Um. And but it's it is killer
cover because there's probably fifteen trunks on this thing, you know.
And um, Greg and I can both get in this deal.
I set up kind of like awkward where my tether
is actually hooked to a different tree, like it's like
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a d and eighty degrees from the tree my platforms on.
So I set the platform flat and I'm standing on
it backwards. But it's actually real comfortable. I got some
good shots, I got a ton of cover. Uh and
I really really like it. And this is a this
is a T. Jones style setup, you like that one
stick high stuff, And uh, I do too, man. Whenever
it's when it works, and it worked here too because
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one of the things that I could have gotten a
little higher in this tree. But like, honestly, the difference
in six and nine is not that much as far
as getting detected. Um. But at six ft, if a
deer comes in, they have to get real close to
me before I get skylined, whereas at nine foot they
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can sky on me a good bit sooner. So I'm
thinking about that, you know, because my tree is I
got good cover. But still I'm a blob in a
tree of tiny trunks, you know. Um, Anyways, it works
out well. We're in there a little bit late. Um,
so we get kind of settled, probably five minutes after
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shooting a lot. But it's overcast, you know, foggy day.
So we're getting away with a lot too because dear
fit the archer us can't really see us very well,
you know, and uh, we kind of hunker down, get calm,
and uh, I I love to hold with my ears.
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I listened to a lot, which she means we all do, right,
but I really detect more dear with my ears. I
do my eyes. I think, Okay, I was confused there
and you sit in your ears. I thought you're talking
about your Eric, dear. Uh hunt those a lot, but
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that's all right for us. Man um Uh. Hear some
sticks whipping around and like, huh, what is going on here?
Because it's kind of windy something kind of like what
is that? Just like the wind hitting this wiltree weird
or something, and a look at Greg and he's given
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me the Greg eyes and I'm giving him the Greg eys.
So then I know we both have suspicions of this sound.
And uh like it has a it has a point
in space where it's at. I can tell it's like
sixty yards from us up wind, which, oh, let's go,
you know. And so I'm I'm thinking, man, this. I
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think Greg might have said it to me. He was like,
I think that's a bug, and I said, man, I
was wanted a videos, you know, just kind of like
second guessing yourself a little bit. Well to get out
of my range finder, because um, I have it on me.
I would have had to unzip my binos or it
was just not It's easy to get to and I've
really found that, like if you're in timber, like that
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seven power range finder is pretty much enough to be
able to see dear it. And I kind of like
using it because it's so low profile. He's just like
one little hand up and look around. It's it's kind
of nice, you know. Um and uh, I can see
like a deer down there. I can tell it's a
deer at this point in time, you know, and which
probably means it's a buck. And then I see a
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main being going through my vision like oh because you
so then I put the range finder down and I
know where this deer is at, um on this property
because I've sat real close to here before. Um, and
I know that there's a trail up and over right
there close to where he's at. He uh goes and
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noses up on that trail, and I'm freaking out because
I'm like, oh, because I just know it's tough hunting, right,
but I've seeing a buck. So I'm like, I gotta
grunt this deer over or something. So I'm not ready.
I don't have my grunt call in my pocket. It's
in my backpack, which is really tough to get too
because it's a weird tree. And I'm scrambling for the
grunt call and I'm like, hey, great, can you get
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my re call? And uh and uh, he's digging for
it and I'm watching the deer. No, no, he's coming
and this is all we're doing, you know, in the
deer whisper, right, And so I was like, never mind
on the great can Greg gets around, gets the camera
on him, and uh, he like just kind of appears
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underneath his tree and he's a toad. I couldn't and
I didn't realize how big he was. And we'll talk
about that more on a second, but like, for sure, shooter,
like no question. He like I can tell he's got
a split on his right side. I've never shot a
deer with a split, and I was like, oh, please
let me shoot this deer. Uh. And I see his
his left side is a little weak, and I'm thinking, oh,
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I guess he's just kind of got a big side
and a small side. This deer comes in, ends up
and I said in the thing. I don't like to say,
but he literally came in because he it's like eight
yards from us, sees us in the tree and we're
just doing the ice sculpture thing right, just straight up
as ill as we can be. We got some wind.
He's not suspicious, but he sees some blobs and he's
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like what's going on? And it's enough to alter his path,
which actually probably helps us because he then like circles out.
He might have been thinking about going to smell us,
but I think he just was like, Ah, that's not
a deer. I'm gonna go over here. You know. It's
kind of what he's doing. He kind of does this
little arc out and comes around and I'm thinking, oh,
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I gotta shooting Laney right over here. He's about to
get busted, and I don't. I can't shoot him, like
if he was to continue coming on the trail he's on,
He's gonna get to three yards and I don't really
have a shot. And I'm like, if he's at three yards,
I'm shooting through them twigs for sure, Like no question.
Uh So I'm trying to figure out, like how to
navigate that. I got my bow in my hand, but
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I'm not gonna be I mean, it's gonna be real tough.
Well then he arcs out and I'm like, oh, this
is this is perfect, dude, like the the nine o'clock
on the clock face shot, you know, where you're just
so comfortable, just making your perfect t Well, he stops
and just goes to snoot, snooting so hard. In this
one spot there was apparently a deer pete there or something,
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because he just goes this crazy loud. You know, he's
just going nuts. It's it's also crazy how fast they
can puff the air in and out of their nose.
They're they're real good at that. And uh I'm I'm like,
I'm at full draw at this point in time. I
draw when he's behind stuff, so I'm I need him
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to take two more steps out and he hasn't yet.
I'm like, oh man, I don't want to be stuck
at full draw forever because I have recovered from a
sickness at this point in time, but I ain't real
confident in my like two minute hold, you know. Uh.
And it ends up at probably about the twenty five
second mark. He uh takes two steps forward and and
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gives me clearing to shoot through. He's not completely clear
the stuff, um, and I decided to go ahead and
let it fly because he's had a good quarter away. Uh.
And dude, let me tell you what it is a
rip when they're in fifteen and I think he's eighteen yards.
It's it's my favorite, dude, because it's just you don't
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not that I'm not concentrating, but you just know, not
without a doubt, but you feel real good about the
end result, real good about it, especially on a quarter away,
because there's a bunch of soft stuff right there, you know.
And uh, it's i'd see where it hits. It's about
one third up the body I'm shooting down. I know
that X it's gonna be good. It's a double lung in. Uh.
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We watched the deer run and he runs pretty far. Um.
But we're up the hill, run across and I've seen
pile up and it's just, oh my gosh, I lost it.
It wasn't a it wasn't a cry. I lost it
this time. It was like I just excited, you know.
Like it's it's weird how I have different reactions shooting
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a deer. You know. Some times I'm like, man, that
was awesome, just kind of just happy, and this time
I just like lost my mind, just exciting, you know.
And then like with the Kansas Buck, I'm bawling my
eyes out, you know, because I've just been sick and
I'm just probably delirious. Anyways. It's just it's strange other
that happens. But um, I did clip a leaf or
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stick or something. You can see in the footage in that,
so I kind of I didn't black out, but I uh,
I got it could have messed me up. I shooting mechanical,
um and but it didn't. It didn't mess up the
air flight or anything. I think I've learned. I shot
a four blade mechanical, two big wide ones into like
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medium wide ones and got a complete pass through, hit
the opposite leg bone and still gotta pass there. Shot
a vector MR, shot a victor h m R. And
I'm I'm I'm onto something. I think man like mechanical
fix doesn't really matter. Uh, somebody's for sure screaming. Now
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i'd say that, but in this, in this, in this
instance i'm discussing, let me finish here, it doesn't matter.
I think that the heavier arrow tracks better through traffic
through brush. And I'm not a proponent of shooting through brush.
I'm not deliberately doing it. But twice this year, once
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at a hog and once at up a deer, once
with a fixed, once with a mechanical I have hit
something on the way to the animal and it has
had zero effect on the arrow. And I think that
shooting a heavier arrow just I mean, it's it's the
laws of physics, right, Like an object emotion will remain
emotion until it forces acted upon it. And depending on
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the massive set object um, the force has yeah, has
a greater or less uh amount of effects on the arrow. Right.
So I think that because I'm shooting five D forty grains,
which isn't stupid heavy, but it's it's nice and heavy.
I really like where I'm at right now. I'll tell
you the truth. Because things are flying. You don't tell Isaac,
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I know, dude, hey, dude, but I haven't. I've shot
shot five deer and they've all been complete pass throughs
this year and some uh pretty hard quarters, you know. Yeah,
so yeah, and this one, I mean, I try to
hit his leg bone, you know, on the way out,
and still passed through. Now I think it did bend
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to blade on the leg bone, but I'm already I've
already made it through the whole critter, so I ain't
worried about that. And uh yeah, so I got to
go actually called you, uh, and I don't know where
you were at in your hunt. It's just literally had
spooked the buck, the big the first big one, so
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so you still have another deer encounter after pretty sick
about it, and uh, also very celebratory at the same time, weird,
feeling weird, and I that this deal was just like
such a blessing man because it's a hard hunt and
I just happened to be in a spot that worked well.
And I've been saying this it sounds excuse me, sounds
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kind of cliche, but dad gum, when you have faith,
there really ain't nothing cliche about it. Like, um, I
feel like I have been blessed I mean, this is
ain't prosperity. It's just the way it works right there.
The whole life is a blessing that we have, right
Like everything put here is a blessing that we get
to enjoy. So I'm not saying that like God's job
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in in the great universe just to make my life good.
That's not what I'm saying. But he does bless his people, right,
and it's it's cool because I feel like I've been blessed.
God just put some deer in front of me. Man,
It's just it is awesome, and I'm very very thankful
for it. And and that's not to say that he
ain't blessing you if you only had one deer in
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front of you this year. You know that's not what
That's not how this works. You know, it ain't a
token system. Um. His will will be done, and I
just happens to be his will for me to kill
a deer in Oklahoma, and I'm very thankful for that.
It was man, Thank you all for the help with
the recovery. He's a he's a main framemate with a
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big old split on his right G two and ends
up his left side that I thought was kind of smaller.
It really ain't all that smaller. Um, it was just
a weird angle I was looking at it. He did
have a main beam broke off on that side a
little bit, not so much that it affected like his look, right,
but like he broke like a two or three inch
piece off the end of his main beaming on side.
So maybe that's what I was seeing. I don't know,
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but it was you two on that side longer than
the other one is, which you know, of course he
put more effort in and growing a split on the
other side. I haven't measured it, but like that thing
might be over a foot long. It's out there, dude,
I don't know. It's he's a big dog. I'm gonna
get him mounted. I think I know because I dropped
him off. But um, he's the biggest body, dear, I've
ever shot. And I realized that, you know that slow
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motion thing that happens like at the moment of your
shot and shortly thereafter, um, like you just see it
like I can see it plain as a day. And
I remembered when I shot, he kind of like rolled
his body and I was like, hold of smokies. That's
a big body. An. I didn't realize how big he was,
and I didn't realize how big his antlers were, because
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this dear might weigh two and fifty pounds. I mean,
he's he's the biggest body, dear I've ever shot. He's huge,
and so like his rack is relative to that, I
didn't realize how big he is. Head on, that thing
was so big. He's got I call it a pizza head,
where like he didn't have like the moose nosed thing.
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You know, he's he's got this like really wide angle
to his head, like his jaw on the top of
his head is a wider angle. And he's just he's
so cool. Man. I love here. He too, Man, he too.
You're just awesome. They are. There's such a cool animal.
They can thrive in so many different areas and such
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harsh conditions, such wild, variable conditions, and they um are
big but also easily disappear in the landscape and just
like such a such a cool thing, also so unique.
You know, like there's some people out there gonna be
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mad about this man, but like turkeys, they look like
a turkey sandwich to me. Uh, definitely. You know, there's
there's there's stuff you gotta you gotta look at them harder.
But like you know, from distance, white tails look different
than each other, and from distance turkeys, you know, outside
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of the merriam's white fan and the eastern is darker
fan or whatever. You know, Like the intricacies are what
you have to look for when you get closer with
the deer men. It's like, oh, I can tell from
distance of that thing's got to split, you know, G
two or whatever. So I don't know, They're just they're
so unique. Just so, like I said, there are a
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big animal on the landscape and still yet very um
prosperous and like, uh lots of them and they live
in lots of places and can be hunted lots of
different ways and just so cool man. Yeah, man, they
are an awesome credit. And we're gonna be doing even
more of this uh hunting um coming up pretty soon,
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so there should be a decent amount of stuff on
the old Element channel here guys coming out um, and
we appreciate you all support as we uh kind of
venture out and kind of do a few other things.
And I think it's gonna be really cool because we're
putting together um. If I can be so bold to say,
like some of the coolest white deil stuff that that
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will be on the old interwebs to be streamed I think.
I mean, I'm pretty partial, but we're working hard to
do that. But I mean, that's what that's what the
goal is. That's when we're sick, man, it's because we've
been working hard. Were run down. I think that for sure, man,
And you know that's what we're but that's what we've
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set out to do this year, and we may not
we may not always do that, guys. So hopefully you
enjoy what we're putting into it now, and we really
do when we talk about this stuff. We had we
actually had everybody sitting down when we got home and
you know, look at the old TV in my living room,
and we went through some of the videos the guys
have been shooting lately and talked about you know, we
did a critique and said, hey, here's you know, this
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stuff is awesome. Way to go, guys, But we are
trying to put together the best stuff. That's the goal.
Put together the best deer hunting videos that exists on
planet Earth. That's the goal. We may or may not
achieve it, but we're we're doing cool stuff, and Greg
and Michael and Eric have been a huge part of that,
helping us get that done. And so you know, but
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we still we still give them, you know, criticisms as
we go so that we can make this stuff top
top notch. One one's got a real weird arm. Yeah.
Other than that, you know, were pretty critical. I still
can't get over the dag um too behind us that
let us run over the tail lot? Sorry, let they
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ran over our let it fall off at going three.
Watched me from inside their warm truck while I tape
on a redneck version of a tail lot. So that's cool.
How did you find that tape? Because Eric's great directions. Yeah,
you know, um, we've learned this, I think through the
years that and Eric says something to the opposite of it,
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and it works out pretty good. And this is the
this is the case too. What the direction is to
find he says. When he says right back seat of
the cab, he means left of the bed. It ain't
just getting east and west mix up. It's like it's
it's way worse left right and cab and and and everything.
They Yeah, that did all right back there. They they
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they're doing some pretty good drive, and I think, you
know we're about to stop. Need some dinner, But real quick,
I want to talk about just a couple of things
before we do this that you know you may do. Look,
you know, as you look forward here to the middle
of November and starting to get into later November, we
enter a lockdown phase. A lot of people like to
call it. I'm not a super It's kind of similar
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to the October lull. For me. I think there's you know,
some things that are true there but exists, right yea,
just like you said, you went to a place that
you didn't have a whole lot of data and the
hunt was super slow. With that deer didn't just disappear magically.
He lived in that he lives somewhere. I had to
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get in. I'm convinced a three hundred yard diameter bubble
to kill that deer, and I happened to be there
that morning, And so with that, lockdown is gonna be
a similar deal. So you know, you gotta get in
the bubble. And that's the same. It's a good point.
It's the same uh idea that we've tried a few times.
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I think this is just an idea that you could
potentially could help you as well. But um, you find
a buck lockdown, you get inside his bubble and you
give him some some calls, you rattle to him, you
grind at him, you pull up a heads up decoy
or something like that in Montana decoy or whatever, and
I think, you know, you stand a good chance of
if you're inside that deer's bubble, of making something you know,
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pretty amazing happen potentially. Um. So you know there's an
idea um as far as like lockdown stuff goes. You know,
another thing is, um, you know we I think we
had somebody talk about this on Retfresh recently. But uh,
lockdown is when a deer, a buck is gonna put
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a single though probably in a position away from other animals.
So you don't want to be hunting if you if
you like lockdowns happening and you're not seeing the bucks,
then go hunt the homestead that's off to the side,
that's you know, an acre of timber and brush, or
go hunt the tippy top of a little canyon or
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draw that's got a few seaters in it. And you know,
just take a chance, right if you're if you're struggling already,
you might as well go do something somewhere you can
see a whole bunch of it. Yeah, this ain't even
gotta be a Western approach. I mean, like you could sit, um,
you know, up on a ridge in the big timber
and be able to look down a bunch of different
side finger ridges or draws or whatever. Or you could
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sit um, you know, on top of a silo that
has a bunch of different egg fields that are you know,
along the river bottom, and just if you can get
your eyes on a bunch of country, there's a decent
chance you see a buck that you can make a
move on. Bunty, bunty. I mean, those are a couple
of thoughts about how you might attack this thing going forward.
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And then at some point, you know, coming up around
Thanksgiving is a good time of year to be in
the woods too, So don't give up on it, man um.
I know you, you know, you've got family stuff going
on in that kind of thing there and Thanksgiving. But
those deer that are in lockdown in the middle of
the month here are are going to get back out
and start snooping around and searching, and you get you
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get right back into the dough betting or food sources
and those kind of things. You know you're gonna have those.
You might have a perpendicular trail that a buck's gonna
use on a food source where he's just basically walking
the inside edge of a uh tree line on a
on a you know, cornfield or whatever. Um, just checking
all those trails that lead into that stuff and laid
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out of that stuff and uh down wind sides of
thick bedding and stuff like that. So a couple of
thoughts there as we go forward, um into the next
couple of weeks. Um, you know, I don't I would
rather hunt late November than late October. And I know
that maybe like that might be a weird sentiment for
the this current culture of deer hunting and what you
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hear in media, But um, I would give me the
last weekend in November over the last weekend of October.
He rode the titan there at the six Flags. Unfortunately,
is which was more fun the kick or the the
bottom quarter of the Big Drop. The Kikikii was terrible,
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and then the bottom quarter or whatever was a blackout,
So I'm not exactly sure for me, the bottom quarter
of the of the Big Drop is definitely the funnest.
So that's where you had you prostate problem started where
it started? Maybe there, or you know, riding on a
tune of boat going fifty miles an hour on eight
ft lays when a kid who knows but guys, if
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nothing else, make sure you're safe. Our lives gonna test
to it right the ruts of danger as time. You
know it could be times going everywhere. You know that
Coleman man, how many times we've almost been to put
our eyes out with you. You're in the back of
the draw so many times, so many times times. Watch
out for them browt times and remember this is your
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