March 25, 2024 • 66 mins
In part 8 of this Fire Pit Podcast series on the rise and relevancy of L.A.B. Golf, Matt Ginella takes you through the second of Lucas Glover’s back-to-back wins on the PGA Tour. And then he gets Glover’s thoughts on being passed up for the 2023 Ryder Cup, the business impact of the two wins, as well as reflections from several of the series protagonists on the stories within the series, including hope, inspiration, overcoming the yips and the American dream. In addition to Glover, you’ll hear more from Adam Scott, Kelly Slater, Brett Rumford, Mac Barnhardt, Michael Sims, Stuart Smith, Adam Beach, Sam Hahn, Liam Bedford and Bill Presse.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Any sense of what your success has done to Lab.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Yeah, I had to give Will McKenzie one of my
backups because he couldn't get one until like the end
of September, and that's a pro. And then a friend
of mine, a friend of a friend, ordered one and
is like eight months back ordered. So yeah, I think
they're pretty busy.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Put another log on the fire.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Nobody he is getting time.
Speaker 5 (00:44):
Welcome to the fire pit with Matt Chanella.
Speaker 6 (00:48):
So Lucas Glover wins the Windham Championship and for anyone
paying attention, especially his inner circle of friends, it wasn't
that surprising. Mac Parnhart, Glover's longtime friend and manager, literally
predicted it.
Speaker 7 (01:02):
And Mac just said, man, this is this is incredible,
and you know this is amazing. And but he looked
over at me and he goes, He's going to win Greensburro.
Speaker 8 (01:14):
That's the one. He's that's the one he's going.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
To win again.
Speaker 6 (01:17):
After three sessions with Jason Kuhn, the former Navy seal,
and after putting a LAB putter in play in Memorial
in June, Glover was on the definition of a heater
in his twenty four rounds. After Memorial and at Mirfield.
He had nineteen rounds in the sixties, which included a
sixty two, sixty three and two sixty fours. He had
(01:39):
only one round over par a seventy two in the
second round of the Canadian Open. And now, after a
decade of dealing with yips in what climaxed at setting
the putter behind the ball and essentially push putting, Glover
had his fifth win on the PGA Tour from a
late Sunday night in Greensboro. As he got into his car,
took the wheel and allowed him self a massive exhale.
(02:01):
It was immediately onto Memphis, where he had just qualified
for the first FedEx Cup playoff event.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Now your mental switch that you've made with Jason, and
then this change with the weapon you're using on the green,
right like that's a tool. Right now, you've got a
new tool, a new mind, but you've got the same
old ball striking, and you've got that resolve and the
grit and grind. Of course you go back. Of course,
(02:30):
you validated the following week.
Speaker 9 (02:32):
I mean, of course, you break through that finish line
as Mac described of a marathon runner in a collapse,
and then you get back up and run another race
and win it.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah, yeah, that was Yeah. Like I said, you just
kind of keep riding, rode the wave. There was just
an extreme, extreme, extreme amount of confidence when I got
to Memphis for all of the reasons you just said,
And you've hit the nail exactly on the head by
the ways you just said it. And I did say,
you know, after Greensboro and in between that that you
(03:05):
used a perfect word there, a weapon, And then it
had been such a crutch for so long, and now
I'm showing up with confidence on the greens and something
I believe in and at a place again I like that.
I've finished third there last year, I believe. And Crystal,
(03:25):
in my wife, she was saying, you know, even leading up,
she goes, you just need to get to Memphis because
that's your course. And turned out Greensboro was and that's
how I got to Memphis. But you know, she she
called that one. If you just get there, you're gonna
do good. You know, you're gonna do well. I think
you can win there, man. You know, I agree with
you just got to get there type situation. But then
(03:47):
when we did get there, I was, you know, riding
the high but also still thinking, man, I'm still feeling
pretty fresh and still you know, love this place and
playing nice and just played excellent golf the last six
seven weeks. And you know, now the second season kind
of starts, you know, the playoffs, and now now we
(04:11):
can tick off some goals for next year, you know,
maybe get in some majors, maybe get in the big events,
signature events, And wouldn't pick a better time to be
full of confidence and right now, and so let's do
what we did last week and stick to what we've
been doing, and you know, go have fun Putton and
let's do it again.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
Which makes you really dangerous.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah, yep, every golfer, every athlete, you know, you confident
and confident in what you're doing and how you're doing it,
and you know feel fresh, pretty rested somehow. Yeah, very
dangerous any anybody in that situation, in this situation.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
Glover opened with a sixty six, followed by a sixty four.
He shot another sixty six on Saturday and started the
final round with the lead. Some of the notable contenders
were Tommy Fleetwood two back, Rory McElroy three back, and
Patrick Cantley, who was five back. In the sweltering heat
of a Southern summer. Rory and Cantley made a run
(05:14):
and Glover seems to have finally hit a wall, but
not on the greens. He's struggling getting to them, which
is typically his strength and an indicator that he has spent.
It's his putter that's actually saving him. Before we get
to a mix of the CBS broadcast as Glover is
trying to win back to back, I just want to
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let's go to CBS on that Sunday, August thirteenth, twenty
twenty three, as Glover, who has a one shot lead
over Cantley, has a long putt to save par on
the thirteenth.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Ah, He's done it.
Speaker 10 (06:18):
Wow to look about clutch run to the next tea.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
On that next t a par three, he rinsed his iron.
Here's Jim Nance and Ian Baker Finch on the call
as he hits his third shot back to fourteen.
Speaker 11 (06:41):
Can he get it in close enough to make another
good putt for the bogie?
Speaker 6 (06:44):
Here's Ian Baker Finch and Dottie Pepper on that putt
to save bogie.
Speaker 12 (06:49):
Can he make two in a row?
Speaker 13 (06:51):
Yeah, yes he can.
Speaker 11 (06:53):
Water putt for Glover comm unbeliever twenty feet at the thirteenth,
thirty feet for body here at fourteen.
Speaker 6 (07:02):
After a par at fifteen, he birdies the par five
sixteenth to get back into a tie with can't lay
at fifteen under this for par at seventeen. Baker Finch
back on the call.
Speaker 11 (07:14):
Lind up straight, struck it straight and straight in the middle.
Lurcus Glover has hung in there once again.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
After making par on the eighteenth, it was off to
a playoff. Here's Jim Nance.
Speaker 14 (07:33):
Two men will battle it out in Memphis, Lucas Glover
and Patrick Cantlay.
Speaker 6 (07:39):
Cantley rinsed his first playoff te shot and after Glover
lagged up for an easy par, Patrick Cantley had a
twenty two foot putt to extend the playoff back to.
Speaker 14 (07:48):
Nance has to make it or Glover is the champion.
Got a chance? Oh sends the edge and Lucas Glover
goes back to back, including the opening leg of the
FedEx Cup playoffs one for the old guys.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
This was win number six for the forty three year
old Glover, a life changing and career altering stretch of golf,
with the yips seemingly in the rear view mirror. Back
to mac Barnhardt.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
He went back to back on the PGA Tour against
two of the best fields in the game, coming in
with the FedEx Cup and all the pressure in the.
Speaker 14 (08:36):
Back that that that you can't believe. And then to
add ind to that, you know it's it's one hundred
and eighty thousand degrees. You know they're playing on the sun.
You know, he hits it in the water on fourteen,
whereas before you know that might have had a little
Lucas did. I watched very closely when he hit in
(08:58):
the water. He didn't, he didn't really do anything. You know,
them just kind of went and walked over to the
drop area. You know this guy, I mean, he's a
he's a warrior now you know. But yeah, nobody will
never know. No, And I'm glad you know that. I mean,
nobody understands just the distractions of going from I don't
know what was he one hundred and tenth and fed
X to I don't know where he was, but he
(09:19):
went to the top seventy FedEx or somethwhere top fifty.
That alone is enough distraction to kind of go, let
your outsigh relief. You know, I've made it. That's what happens.
It's like the guy that finishes the race. They run
through the tape, you know, they put their arms out
and they run through the tape and then they collapse.
Because that's kind of what went in the god urnament is.
(09:40):
I mean, it takes so much out of you and
when and so for him to come back in the
heat again, same heat, to be rested and against the
testament to Kobe who trains him and keeps him in
line like that. But he's forty three too. He's not
not a child. I mean, he's in GoF he's he's
(10:00):
he's been playing twenty years out there to get that
mental stamina to hang in there. It doesn't shock me
with him, but it's still I mean, you would have
been okay if he'd finished top five. He just said, Man,
that was a great run to come back in a
playoff and beat Patrick Cantley. Yeah, that was. I mean,
(10:22):
for me, it's one of those things I'm standing there watching.
I I mean, I was stunned. I don't. I think
stunned is as easy as best all I can say
to me.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
It goes at that point, it goes from being a
golf story to a sports story.
Speaker 14 (10:36):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I agree.
Speaker 14 (10:39):
He's a sportsman, so it would make sense, you know,
and you know that is when you know you know Lucas.
I think it was he hit nine greens on Sunday
at Memphis, and I remember I think he said to
me he didn't feel like that mini greens or something
kind of but and I was like, I remember saying
(11:01):
to him, I said, Amen, I go, these guys can't
let you beat them hitting nine greens. Got we got
some we got They better be paying attention because you know,
Lucas is the thirteen fourteen green guy day right, and
you can't let him beat you hitting nine dreams.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
Back to Lucas Glover again. Our conversation was in September,
a few weeks after his back to back wins in
August of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
You're in the bloodstream, You're you are, this is you.
This is your personal story. Are you able to see
that it goes from like that's a damn good golf
story to holy shit, this is a sports story.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah? I think so, But mainly for the reasons I
mentioned earlier. Is those you know, the stories of perseverance
and the stories of self belief and hard work and
believing in yourself and all those cliches that we attached
to sports, and unfortunately not enough to two people outside
(12:06):
of sports that that are doing the same things in
different ways. But but yeah, yeah, I see that, and
I hope I hope people see it or some one
person sees it and changes their mindset about something. Just
that'll be enough for me. But but yeah, I do
understand the influence is the right word. But I do
(12:33):
understand the impact. That's the there's the word that that
that it could have and that makes me. That makes
me happy and more thankful is that, like we said,
we can I can use this to to push my
kids in a in a positive way, and then other
people that that may be able to use this as
(12:53):
as a as a motivator.
Speaker 9 (12:55):
Isn't it really just about like your son or your
daughter saying, I'm proud of you, daddy, and that now
you've given them, You've given them the thing that they'll
be able to hold on to for like you know,
you're referencing your grandfather and the accomplishments he's had. You know,
they'll be able to reference you for the rest of
their life.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
And I saw my.
Speaker 9 (13:16):
Because they're at an age where it's not like they're
one or two or even you know, thirty or thirty two.
They're at a very tender, impactful agent. Isn't that what
it's about?
Speaker 2 (13:27):
One hundred percent? One hundred percent you know if you yeah,
you hope in life you reach them first, you know
your bubble. If not, you're doing it wrong, right, You
just hope you get that chance one hundred percent. Yeah,
well yeah, absolutely and yeah, but yeah, back to what
we said, you know, practice what you preach, and now
(13:49):
I can have a I have something I can point
to and say, remember you were there, that's that was
that moment, that's where it all came and h and yeah,
just to have that opportunity to have that, to have
that potential impact on them, it was all that all
that any of us care about as parents.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
Amen to that. Back to Michael Simms, Glover's longtime friend.
Speaker 7 (14:14):
Again, Matt, it was it was neat to see everything
kind of it was neat to see Mac do his thing,
you know, and put pieces of the puzzle kind of
on the table, and then to watch them all get
put together is uh, it's exciting, It's really really cool.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
A big part of what was put together was Jason
Kohn again, the former Navy seal.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
To win a PGA Tour event is bonkers. There's only
like you know, there's only one every week and the
rest are all losers in theory. So to see Lucas
do that at then to follow it up with all
the other distractions that come with a win and the
exhaustion that comes with with a win, mental, physical, you know,
(15:11):
you got to get up and then get to the
next venue and get right in and you're talking about
full field like, you know, these are He's not winning
low level events. These are elite level events. Playoffs would
be shocking to everybody else in this It's it wasn't
just a golf story. It was a sports story. This
(15:31):
was this was transcendent at that point. To win back
to back PGA Tour events is absolutely mind boggling shocking
to the general public and anybody who actually follows the
game at a high level. But was it surprising to you?
Speaker 15 (15:47):
No, I mean I wouldn't say it was surprising a
little bit, of course, because of the odds that are involved.
But I've always felt like an underdog, and I've always
rooted for the underdog, and that's what we set out
to do, you know. And I mean, yeah, originally it's
We're going to overcome the yips and get your game
back on par and start moving up the ladder and whatever.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
But you won back to back.
Speaker 16 (16:13):
I mean, you know, I mean with.
Speaker 15 (16:15):
Our intention though, that's what we want to do. We
want to keep that up, you know. And yeah, I
mean it's I was just I guess I've had a
surprised of course, a little bit. But you know, I
think that critics and the low odds, rather than being
defining characteristics of our capability, they're natural properties of difficult tasks.
That's what makes them special and worthy of pursuit. And
(16:38):
it's the pursuit of an aim that keeps our soul
alife more so than the accomplishment of it. And so
why limit ourselves with Okay, well, if we get in
the top twenty, that'll be good enough, you know, Or
if we get in this that or the other thing,
that'll be good enough. Like let's set our sites on
winning this and winning all of them. Why wouldn't we,
you know, And we'll see what happened. But that's the intention.
(17:02):
I mean, we don't go out on a mission and
the Seal teems to kind of feel it out and
see how it goes. We're going out to absolutely dominate,
you know, destroying, destroying, demoralize on our opponent as soon
as possible. Now in competition, of course, there's some moral
ethical boundaries that are different from combat and things like that,
but that's what we're going into. Absolutely crush the competition.
(17:22):
We're going in to win every single time, all of them.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
It must be so rewarding it is to be you
and to have this kind of impact on people's lives
because they must feel so lost and so embarrassed.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
We're so you know, angst ridden, and then you're able
to like bring it.
Speaker 15 (17:45):
Back it's very meaningful to me, and it's incredibly rewarding.
And it's because when I was in college, I never
heard of the term yips. Until the years after I
was done playing. I didn't know what had happened. I
just knew it was some sort of anomaly, you know.
I knew I wasn't mentally weak, and then I went
(18:06):
and I proved that by going through buds and seal
training and how weak.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
But I never really knew.
Speaker 15 (18:11):
But when I take myself back to that point in time,
and I think, I kind of try to not go
there too often. It was so dark, and it was
so hard, and it was so embarrassing, and it was
frustrating because you don't know how to describe it to anyone,
you know, and it's very lonely and you feel like
(18:33):
you're the only person in the world. This was before
social media, so you can't get on there and look
it up, you know, like AOL I think was coming
around about that time or something, you know, the dial
up internet, so it's not like you can hop on Google.
And even if we had, I wouldn't know what the
college because I've never heard of the yips, you know,
I just it was so hard, but I found God
(18:54):
through it, I developed I learned about myself through it.
I got better through it, and I think that implosion
of made me a person capable of becoming a Navy seal.
And then through the sealed teams, the experiences, relationships developed,
and confidence gained, all sorts of things helped me develop
a solution for this problem. And it's incredibly rewarding and
(19:17):
meaningful to me to help athletes with it. And that's
why it's it's always a different version of the same story,
you know, when they come to me and start talking
through it, and.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
Yeah, let's go back to Glover.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Was it just like this massive stress test and then
you now you're able to kind of stop down, reflect
and reset and reconfigure your future.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Yeah yeah, yeah, for sure. You know, go from Memphis
to Chicago and still kind of riding the high there,
just didn't play that great and then kind of ran
out of gas in Atlanta. To be honest, I was exhausted,
but yeah, got home, yeah, yeah, and then got home
and I've just been home. Man, it's been awesome and
(20:07):
just yeah, I don't haven't been talking about it much,
but I've sure been thinking about it a lot, and yeah,
it's just reflecting on it. But again, I'm not really
that way. I'm like, well, all right, let's use this,
let's use this, let's go have the best year we've
(20:27):
had next year. And I'm in all the majors, I'm
in all the signature events. And you know, I got
home and Sunday night and Tuesday I was in the
gym and and just motivated, just and happy and it's fun.
And I played golf one time since Atlanta, and but
it's not ever too far from my brain. And just
(20:52):
trying to get back in shape and get my body
where I wanted and play a couple of times this fall,
and and uh, just stay fresh for twenty four.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
So fun.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Absolutely, it is so fun.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
Back to Michael Simms.
Speaker 7 (21:06):
You know, it wasn't until after the Tour Championship that
I got to say some of the things that I
wanted to really say to him, just really really proud
of really proud of them, and.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Give me a give me a nugget or two of
what you really wanted to say to them.
Speaker 7 (21:21):
I think that's just between Lucas and I. Some things
are best left unsaid, you know.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
There there.
Speaker 8 (21:43):
I mean I love the man, So it's it's uh, it.
Speaker 7 (21:46):
Was nothing, but really really, you know, it was it was,
it was great things, it was, it was really cool.
Speaker 8 (21:54):
It was nice. It was a really really nice conversation.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
A person like Michael Simms, What what is it about
out him and that relationship? That's that that you know?
Is that just like best friendship? Is that the best
way to describe a relationship like with a guy like Michael.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Yeah, he's he's very good at wording things in ways
that make you He just tells it like it is.
He just says, You're never ever ever going to admit
to me that how awesome that was. But I'm here
to tell you that was awesome, and you're never ever
ever going to brag about it. But I'm going to
(22:33):
brag to you. So you have to hear it. And
just you know, everybody needs that friend. When it's good,
he reminds you. And then when it's bad, it's never
that bad. But yeah, he's seen it, he's lived it,
he's played the game, he struggled with the game, and yeah,
you know, he but he's not the type of friend
(22:55):
that tries to fix everything. He wants to hear it.
From me. He wants to hear my struggles, and then
he thinks about it for a little bit, and then
a few days later, you know, I've been thinking about that.
And it's never that quick fix. It's never that knee
jerk reaction. It's always well, let me you know. And
he never says it, but he thinks on it for
(23:16):
a little bit and then he he'll come back to
you with an idea. And but his relationship is has
been key in it, just because he's grounding, but he
also reminds me that it's still supposed to be fun,
it's still supposed to be enjoyable. And uh, it's just
a constant reminder that that I'm still good enough. I
(23:42):
just got to enjoy it and just have fun with it.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
To Mac Barnhard again for his reflections on Glover's finish
to his season, this.
Speaker 14 (23:51):
Is this is to be continued is the way I
look at it, right. I mean, this is not we
didn't This isn't he found on something he's always hit.
He's always hit it as well, so and he didn't
really hit it as well coming in. He was just tired.
He's always hit it well and this isn't like he
found a putting stroke where he found I mean, I
(24:15):
think he found Lucas and it could get, really, it
could get. We could have some fun now. I mean
this cat can, he can, He's always been able to
hit it. But I don't think anybody like I said,
you have to be closest game to understand how fans
are and how they say how much they appreciate what
(24:35):
he did. I mean, he went from nowhere to there.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
There was back to back wins, five top tens in
the ten events after Memorial and he was in the
conversation for the Ryder Cup team. Glover had made it
clear he wanted to be wearing red, white and blue.
After Memphis. Glover, the hottest player in the world literally
and figuratively, sat in sixteenth in the Ryder Cup standings
(25:02):
after the Memphis win, and in the press conference, he
answered questions about playing for his country, first from Rex Hoggard,
second question from Doug Ferguson.
Speaker 12 (25:12):
I know this has cappened kind of fast, but in
the last I don't know five starts. Has the Ryder
Cup gotten on your mind at all? About fifteen minutes ago,
what'd you think? I think I've never made it and
I want to.
Speaker 17 (25:26):
And if you, I think you'd have to win next
week to earn your spot onto the team.
Speaker 12 (25:31):
If you don't, would you pick you.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Right now? Yes? Playing pretty good golf, and I think
I'd be pretty good in the team room and be
a good partner, So yeah, absolutely I would.
Speaker 6 (25:47):
After the win in Memphis, Glover finished T. Twenty two
at the BMW Championship, and in the Tour Championship, his
ninth event in ten weeks, he finished T. Eighteen and then,
as we all know by now, on August thirtieth, Glover
was passed up by captain Zach Johnson to play for
Team USA. Here's Mac Barnhart.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
If you're Zach.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Johnson, would you have put him on your team?
Speaker 14 (26:13):
Two seconds? Two seconds? Jackson neighbor down the road here.
I mean, I've been in that war room with Davis
when they're doing pigs. It's not easy.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
It's not easy.
Speaker 14 (26:23):
But I mean he and Keingan Bradley, I mean, probably
two hottest players in the world. Yeah, you know, like
I say, we're gratefully disappointed. We're disappointed and that we
didn't do it. We're grateful that we were even part
of the conversation. I'm like that, but would not to
take Lucas Glover if he gave you any hint that
(26:46):
he was ready to play. I don't even I can't
even find them what anybody was thinking. I mean, Brian
Harmon and Lucas Glover. Put them together, and they're not
going to miss the fairwell, they're not going to miss
a green and both of.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Them can pie.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Michael Simms, if you're Zach Johnson, do you pick Lucas
Glover to be on that Ryder Cup team?
Speaker 7 (27:06):
I mean, I mean, I do, you know, but that's
that's neither here nor there. He's got so many great
things to look forward to in these next you know,
(27:29):
with this next season and moving.
Speaker 8 (27:31):
Forward with his with his own career, Like.
Speaker 7 (27:35):
You know, that stuffs great, but you know it's it's
a it's a nice little show. And then and that
I would love for him to be a part of
because I know what I know what that means to him.
You know, he's he's played on the Walker Cup team and.
Speaker 8 (27:54):
It would have been really really special.
Speaker 7 (27:56):
Let's just say that, and and uh, but I know
there's a lot of other things that are involved, and
it's pretty neat that he's in the conversation again, awesome
that he's in the conversation when I picked.
Speaker 8 (28:11):
Him, Yeah, he's hot. Would I want Lucas putting for
me right now?
Speaker 7 (28:16):
Absolutely? Would I want him hitting the T ball for me? Yes,
what I want. And he's a team player, and you know,
like I said, he's got a lot of heart and
like Mac always says, you can't measure that.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
Let's give Glover the final word on the Ryder Cup.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Would you have picked yourself to be on that Ryder
Cup team?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Yes, I said it then, I'll say it now. And
you know, they they revamped the system to pick the
hot guy, and he was pretty hot. You know, gave
out a gas there in Atlanta, didn't have the greatest finish,
but you know, I felt like I fit the criteria.
(29:04):
I guess I kind of understand why I didn't, But
you know, I, uh, one hundred and one under par
since Detroit, I would think that's pretty hot.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Mac called it grateful, disappointment, grateful, grateful to be in
the conversation, disappointed to not be in the tournament.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah, one hundred percent. And that's exactly what Tommy said
as well. A texting texted him that we weren't going,
and he says, well, back in June, if we you
told me we were having this conversation, uh, we just
said you're crazy. But but yeah, that's perfectly termed grateful disappointment. Yeah,
exactly right.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Zach is you know you guys are you guys? Are
you guys?
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Are in?
Speaker 9 (29:46):
Been been in and around, You've been been friends, you know, peers, competitors,
you know a long time?
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Was that it was it? Do you think it was
tougher on you or tougher on him to to make
that call or feel that call?
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Probably him. I've talked to several former captains and they said,
that's the hardest part of the gig. And uh, you know,
Zach came, Zach and I came out together and four
on tour in the same class on corn Ferry and
O three and been friendly and friends, very friendly ever since.
And in the back of my head, knowing that how
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difficult that was from hearing it from other people, I
just didn't make it any harder than I knew it
was for him. Just said, amen, I understand, no problem,
good luck, and uh, I'll be pulling for you and
that you know, So yeah, I can only imagine how
difficult that was, because you know, as the captain, how
how much everybody else wants it, and uh yeah, I
had to be very difficult in that conversation.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Does he just simply tell you that that he wasn't
able to pick here or does he tell you that
he picked someone up?
Speaker 8 (30:53):
Like?
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Is it just a short conversation? Probably not long?
Speaker 2 (30:57):
No, No, wasn't long. I made like I said, I'll
try to make it as short as possible and as
easy only as possible. He just said that what in
uh uh what in the what in the fit? He
was looking for type conversation. So that's fine.
Speaker 6 (31:15):
Meanwhile, let's go back to lab golf. Here's Sam Han
reflecting on Glovers back to backs.
Speaker 17 (31:21):
I'm just so happy for him, man, I mean this
is you know, as anybody who's in the golf world knows.
I mean, this is one of golf's best dudes. Like,
just so awesome, and I applaud obviously, the resurgence is
incredible and staying on, you know, committed to trying something different.
All that stuff's really impressive. What I find equally, if
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not more impressive, is the fact that the dude kept
his card for ten years with the yips like that.
That takes a level like and and now that I
think about it, when I realized that that he did
that he kept his card with the yips, which nobody does.
Like the dude who finishes one hundred and ninety eight
on tour and putting loses his card every year, period
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like period.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
And he didn't.
Speaker 17 (32:04):
And he didn't because he had a level of acceptance,
you know, about what he was dealing with, and you know,
and you'd see him miss short pots. I'm sure he'd
get mad, he slapped his leg or whatever, but like
for the most part, you miss your your your fourth
four foot of a round, that next drive is going
in the fucking trees and then you're hitting the tree
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trying to punch out, and then you're shooting seventy six
and you're going home. And he didn't, you know, he
had this, he had he had enough of the ability
to compartmentalize his putting that allowed him to maintain his
extraordinary ball striking. And he's one of like two guys
that I can think of pretty much, him and Sergio
Garcia the only two guys that have that have transcended
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horrendous putting with other worldly ball striking, and he did it,
you know, and he compartmentalizes putting with sings another yuy, yeah,
absolutely great call, great call yeah, And and totally exact
same thing, where these guys just didn't let their shitty
putting bother them and they knew they were going to
hit it well enough to maintain.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
And then.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Ben Hogan for that matter, fucking he tested fucking putting.
Speaker 17 (33:13):
Of course, he said they should be two different games,
and before Lab I used to agree.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
In two weeks of wins, Glover doubled his career earnings
in the previous five years out on tour, which included
a win at the John Deere.
Speaker 17 (33:25):
By the way, what.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Does that meant for the LAB business? How many putt?
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Like?
Speaker 18 (33:31):
What?
Speaker 1 (33:32):
How obscene? Is this from a business perspective?
Speaker 17 (33:37):
It's obscene, but not catastrophic. Explain if he'd have won
with a conventional directed force, it would have been catastrophic.
I mean, we'd have had way more orders than we
would have been able to fulfill in the next six months.
It's been a massive explosion for sure. I mean business
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is virtually doubled overnight, but it didn't quadruple because it
was a broomstick, so so which is interesting too, Like
I have it in my head that if it had
been Adam winning two weeks in a row. Yeah, Lucas's
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win definitely validated the technology in a lot of minds.
For the for the avid golfer who knows who we
are and starting to see him pop up at their
country club and seeing them around wondering what these things about.
Lucas winning definitely validated some of the tech. It also
validated broomsticking because I think in the mind of the
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average golfer, I would say that him switching to a
broom was probably more relevant in their minds than than
the technology in that room. And so it's been really funny.
I would I guarantee guarantee that we've broke an all
time global broomstick sales record in the last two weeks.
Speaker 9 (35:05):
This is what like give me like you you went
from like selling five putters a week or whatever the
number was.
Speaker 17 (35:13):
We sold more broomsticks in the last week than we
had in the last two years combined. We had one
we had one one entity.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
What they called uh.
Speaker 17 (35:24):
Golf Golf Supply like in Alabama or something like that
called up the next dame about one hundred and twenty brooms,
which is greaty.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
They sell it five hundred bucks apiece or or or
seven Yeah.
Speaker 17 (35:38):
Yeah, I mean we we got all kinds of fun
custom upgrades. I think if you're growing straight steel, yeah,
maybe it's like five fifty five seventy five something like that.
Next shaft up is going to be six fifty, which
is probably the acroshaft, which is probably the most popular
of everybody ordering these things up. And then you know
you put the the you know, a couple other high
(35:59):
end chefts that we have in there. You know, you
spend a thousand bucks pretty quick on one of those things.
And yeah, I mean it's been crazy, and so we've
got so many first time broomstickers, which, like I said,
I think if it was Adam, I don't think it
would have had that effect. It might have had the effect,
it would have had the effect on lab like it
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would have had. You know, we would have seen massive
sales increases and all that, but I don't think it
would have been nearly as broomstick specific as it was
with Lucas because of how well documented his short putting
woes were.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
And so.
Speaker 17 (36:38):
You know in the way he's telling the story too,
kind of I think makes broomsticking seem like less intimidating,
less scary. By the way.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
I love putting with a broomstick.
Speaker 17 (36:50):
It's an awesome way to put and I had never
touched one until we started prototyping for Adam, and I
developed my own technique on my own, just most of
so I could figure out which feels good and understand
the feedback that he was giving us on how to
make these things and how they were supposed to look
and feel and whatever. And I think it's an incredible
way to putt. And it's just so funny, like when
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people grab it. When I'm putting with one, and people
grab it to try it. You got four seconds. They
pull it back. It's so heavy, they feel it fall
to the inside, they loop it around. It feels all
completely out of control, and they're like, geek, not for me,
and they don't give it another try when all it
takes is another fifteen seconds and somebody's saying like, no,
this is how you make it work, and then it'll work.
Speaker 6 (37:33):
Back to Adam Beach, owner of my Golf Spy and
independent company testing anything in everything, A golfer buys and uses.
Speaker 9 (37:41):
What are your thoughts knowing what you know about LAB
putters and this technology, and then knowing how hard it
is to keep your card and be Lucas Glover and
then to win back to back, what are your thoughts
on that?
Speaker 5 (37:53):
Is it validation or is it a some.
Speaker 9 (37:56):
Or what.
Speaker 19 (37:57):
Lots of golfers over the history of time have found
the putter that work for them, right, So LAB is
not unique in that. Right, Lucas Glover found the putter
that is working for him.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
That's great.
Speaker 19 (38:06):
But the interesting thing is we're finding that with so
many people and it's not broken out into the tour
yet because it is an oddity. So where you're seeing
it is and people that were willing to take a
chance to solve a really hard problem.
Speaker 16 (38:19):
Adam Scott.
Speaker 19 (38:20):
A lot of the people on the live you're seeing
play with it, Lucas Glover, and it's solving the problem.
But what you're not seeing on TV because they don't
cover amateurs, is this putter is solving problems like that
for people all over the world that aren't professional golfers,
which is the really cool thing.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
You know.
Speaker 19 (38:41):
The other thing too, that I think is great for
Lucas Glover Lab golfers in general is like you said,
at the end of a tournament, the camera is focused
on the putter, right, And if a putter can win
a big tournament, go back to Payne Stewart and Seymour Putters.
(39:01):
I was actually involved with Seymour Putters at a time
like that, and I remember there were thirty thousand orders
that came in and actually bankrupted the company because they
couldn't keep up with the orders. LAB is going to
have a similar situation. And here's why. If it was
just a Scottie Cameron winning, a few people would go
out and buy it. But not only is this putter
winning and helping a golfer, but it's such a polarizing
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looking design like Seymour's was back in the day that
people go Every golfer is looking for the solution, the
club that can take them from a ninety to seventy two,
and they actually think there's a single club for a
training aid.
Speaker 14 (39:36):
That can do that.
Speaker 19 (39:38):
So this gives them hope, right, and every golfer is
looking for hope. I just talked to my dad. He's
eighty years old, and look, he's never figured it out.
But he calls me, he said, I think I finally
figured it out. So Okay, sure, I mean he's still
he's still got that hope.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
You know.
Speaker 19 (39:54):
So when people see that lab putter, help a guy
like Lucas Sclover that has had the yips with a putter,
and they they also relate to that struggle because all
of us have struggled like that. That's human, right, that's amateur.
And now see an amateur be able to put as
well as he has with this putter.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
That's real.
Speaker 19 (40:13):
I mean, it's just authentic.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
You know.
Speaker 8 (40:15):
You can't you can't.
Speaker 6 (40:16):
You can't manufacture that from Adam Beach to Adam Scott.
Speaker 9 (40:20):
Okay, now here comes Lucas Glover. Where where at what point?
At what point do you uh, where was it or
how was it in which you had a conversation which
you know, Lucas ultimately ends up with a lab in
his bag?
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Yeah, I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 20 (40:38):
What I did notice this year wash and last year
was a few guys came to talk to me about it.
Charles Waltzel talked to me about it last year at
the Byron Nelson and Thursday morning he was still unsure whether.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
He should put it in or not?
Speaker 20 (40:57):
Uh, And I said, well, you know, I'm not here
to tell you whether you should put it in play
or not, but why don't you just do the same
things you did in practice, which she told me was
so good today. How it couldn't be worse, Like he
wasn't putting or playing particularly well. I said, I don't
think it can be worse, so you should just think
of it the same you were making everything you said,
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And he went out and made like twenty six birdies
that week and shot twenty something under and finished top
ten for his first top ten in a few years
on the tour. And he then left to live but
he won the first live event with the lab. You know,
kind of a little bit out of nowhere, respectfully saying
that about a Master's champion, but you know, he had
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him in playing well. And then this year I kept
watching more and more guys put labs in play around
the world, and I saw Ben Arnes. James Hahn first
switched and he led strokes game putting his first week
in Hilton Head. Ben Arnes switched and turned his game around.
That was kind of midway through the season, and that
(42:02):
about the same time Lucas Glover opped in and put
it in play as well, and obviously we saw very
well what he did, you know, And to me, it
just looks like it's complimenting the rest of their games,
is what it looks like it's doing, and giving them
the freedom to play the way that they know they can,
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and obviously giving them a hell of a lot of
confidence to go out and make some putts on the greens.
Speaker 9 (42:34):
Lucas being an example of obviously the wherewithal or the
perseverance and the toughness to do what he has done,
which is keep his card for for so long, regardless
of putting struggles for so long, very very very famously
(42:55):
infamously now at this point where he just you know,
we saw him. Every anybody who's a golfer can somewhat
relate to just that, that pain and the the optics
of it all. Just so nobody wants to look right
and then and then to go on and uh and
to win back to back against formidable fields and and
(43:17):
and literally resurrect his whole career. Do you you do
you remember any kind of conversation you had with him,
or or anything in which did he come to you,
did you did you at that point then become almost
like the shepherd or the sherpa, helping people get up
to the to the top to the top of their mountains.
Speaker 10 (43:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 20 (43:40):
No, I joked that we're starting a little bit of
a cult and we're going to have meetings every uh
every Friday evening out there. But no, Lucas didn't come
to me. But you know, we played college golf at
the same time. We are similar age and we've known
each other a long time. Uh, And you know, he's
he's a think his mind. I don't know much about
(44:02):
his game and what he gets up to with his game,
but you know, here's a guy who likes doing crosswords
to activate his brain. And you know he's a smart guy.
And there's no doubt that when you're struggling with your
putting like he has, it's just it's just such hard work.
You know, anyone who's felt a tough time on the
(44:24):
greens can relate. You know, I think back to that.
My frustration levels was so high in twenty ten, with
good putting and bad putting. I just didn't know what
was going to show up. It was either good or terrible,
and I just couldn't do it anymore.
Speaker 8 (44:36):
So I said, that's it.
Speaker 20 (44:37):
I'm going to learn something new. Yeah, I see more
guys doing it. And it doesn't it doesn't have to
be a broomstick. I just feel like I've just been
on a search for the last ten years and like,
what is the best piece of equipment that will help
me hit more good putts? And you know, that's kind
of the path I'm still going down. And I think,
you know, a lot of the tech, all the technology
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in a lab start you in such a good place.
You know you're getting you're giving yourself a great chance
before you've even moved it, and then when it moves,
it moves better.
Speaker 6 (45:10):
To Kelly Slater, who we learned about in episodes three
and four, was one of the early adopters of the
lab Look and Results. It was Slater's putting at Pebble
Beach that led Adam Scott to try and one.
Speaker 16 (45:22):
There's something there that's really special.
Speaker 10 (45:24):
And I'm really super glad to see that FROs are
catching on to it, because that's what becomes accepted by
the masses after that.
Speaker 16 (45:32):
But you know, to see Lucas when when.
Speaker 10 (45:35):
When obviously he's had some putting woes, over the years,
and I think there was three or four in the
top seven that same week. He's in the lab Putter.
I think most of them on the MEZ. A couple
of guys are on the directed force that I like.
I prefer the directed force myself, but I think visually,
if probably people have a problem with the directed force,
they end up leaning towards the mez and trying that,
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and it just for me, it didn't. It didn't square
up as well as the directed force.
Speaker 16 (46:05):
It does for me.
Speaker 10 (46:06):
But you know, Charles Howe's using them as Adams using
them as I think Lucas using them as Yeah, I've
I've bought a few for other people too, or ordered some.
I actually played with Obama and he was he was
checking the buttter out, like what is this thing?
Speaker 16 (46:20):
So I had Sam sending one. It's just been a
fun journey.
Speaker 10 (46:24):
I really enjoyed feeling like I have some small partner,
but also watching something that I knew was great start
to become something.
Speaker 16 (46:33):
And it's fun to feel like you're like going on
that journey with them.
Speaker 9 (46:36):
You know, little validation, right, little validation of your instincts,
your sense of technology of validation for them and what
their their journey as a company. I mean I would
imagine all of that just and then to watch Lucas
the ultimate grinder, who's kept his card for ten years
regardless of all these putting wo for him to go
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back to back, all of it is like such feel good.
Speaker 16 (47:01):
It's insane.
Speaker 10 (47:02):
Yeah, I get goosebumps when you just said that, because
it's so cool.
Speaker 9 (47:06):
Man.
Speaker 16 (47:06):
It's yeah.
Speaker 10 (47:08):
I mean, I love seeing my friends succeed, and so
it's great. You know, Sam and I have become buddies
over the last few years, and I just love that
it's being accepted and and and sort of run with
by people. You know, A one putt two putts in
any tournament changes these guys' lives. Yeah, like, but it's
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it's amazing, and I'm surprised that I'm surprised none of
the big guys have seen this and tried.
Speaker 16 (47:38):
To come in and buy the company.
Speaker 10 (47:41):
And I think now that it's finding its own footing,
it's maybe it's too late.
Speaker 13 (47:47):
You know.
Speaker 9 (47:48):
There is telling me that they were all playing, like Liam,
the Rep, and the skuy madd who works with them,
and they're all in these three different groups playing their tournament.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
When Lucas was at the window.
Speaker 9 (47:58):
And they all ran and they just ran to each
other and jumped up and hugged and celebrated when they
when you, yeah, it's and they've now doubled the sale.
The total sales of the company up to this point
has doubled in the last month.
Speaker 10 (48:16):
No, that's amazing, man, Now cool is that what a
success story?
Speaker 2 (48:20):
Great?
Speaker 10 (48:21):
It's a snowball, you know, because not just the pros
now so many more people are gonna be seeing that
putter at their courses, and then more people, oh let
me try that. Oh my god, I gotta get one
of those. It's just it's gonna be like it's a sensation.
I just knew it was kind of bubbling below the
surface and at some point everyone's.
Speaker 16 (48:38):
Gonna go, Okay, we get it.
Speaker 10 (48:40):
A product like this is like it reversed as the
sponsorship thing, where like the player has to pay a
little back to the company. That'd be kind of funny.
Speaker 6 (48:52):
It was Brett Rumford, the Australian journeyman and short game
guru back in episode five, who said something similar as
it relates eats the ball and equipment deals, especially relating
to the putter. Here he is again reflecting on Glover's wins.
Speaker 21 (49:08):
If you're a yipper, I mean, that's another world, isn't it.
I Mean that's like he's come from the full on
world of yipping. Like that's like that goes beyond a
sales pitch. That to me, to take someone that for
fifty was it fifty nine or sixty you had that
part from a foot and almost came out of the
circle te of the Scotty Cameron that who was using
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like almost missed, almost missed the golf ball from foot
and a half.
Speaker 13 (49:33):
You missed the whole by about two inches.
Speaker 21 (49:35):
This is a guy that's on an absolute runner, like
he's he's got a put for fifty nine, so, which
is crazy.
Speaker 13 (49:43):
But when that starts to set in, it's in.
Speaker 21 (49:44):
But when you take someone that's that's a yipper to
a back to back winner like that, that goes beyond
the sales pitch, That just goes beyond, you know, that's
that's more the intuitive awareness that unlocks certain things with
an player that just frees them up, doesn't it. You know,
just that giving up control. He's you know, maybe for
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the first time in his career. You know, he's literally
just given up control. He's had the feeling of it
anyway that he doesn't have to have this you know
control that we all have on the putter, so which
is just amazing. And that's just like walking my analogy
from before. It's it's really hard to try and give
up that control. But I think the technology is is
that there's just there's just no micro muscles that's holding
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up any part of the putter. So all you're doing
is holding up sure the part of whatever lineboard that's in,
you're holding up the mass of the putter, but there's
this zero twist in your hands, so I mean you
can literally just put it with two.
Speaker 13 (50:42):
Fingers and the thing just just swings by itself.
Speaker 21 (50:45):
It's an amazing story, but it's you know, there's so
many facets to it that could be basically analyzed and
broken down. And I'm sure there's there's sykes out there
that just what I spend thirty minutes with him speaking.
I'm sure there's like the brain connection everything else. Like
psychologists are kind to basically say, yeah, that was me.
(51:05):
I'll be working with him for the last three months,
you know, studies put it, you know, says putting his
hand up and I'm sure it's a bit of a
concoction of everything. But for me, it is like I
say to my dad. You know, for all these psyche
gurus that are out there, I said to my dad,
I give him like a five stack of books. You know,
these guys here are like working with the best players
on the PGA tour.
Speaker 13 (51:23):
So read that, Read all those books, and you'll be
on the seniors tour next year. He plays off twelve.
Speaker 21 (51:28):
But there's still a point, right, there's still a point
where there's the genius of the player, you know, the
talent of the player that's played, you know for his
whole life. There's still that that work ethic that you need,
isn't it.
Speaker 13 (51:39):
Then you need the information on top of it. It's a
bit of a blood of everything.
Speaker 21 (51:42):
But and then when you get this, you know, this
technology in his hands. You know, he's got the golf
and DNA, he knows how to play the game. All
of a sudden, it just it just frees him up
and unlocks that that player within, doesn't it. And all
of a sudden it now just becomes he's a ball striker.
And now he's got the feeling that he's a winner.
And then that's that's a powerful concoction.
Speaker 6 (52:03):
Liam Bedford of lab Golf, who built Glover's original putter.
Speaker 22 (52:07):
That is my number one objective is to help people
play better. That doesn't matter who it is. If I
can help someone put better, I've done my job. Like
that's what I feel like my job is. All I
want to do is help people put better. And even
if that's not even in our product, Like if I can,
if I can go out to the tour, a tour event,
and you know I will, we will be will be
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messed around with a bunch of different putters and then
there's I mentioned something that they notice and they start
feeling something different and they start rolling in all parts.
Like that's all I can ask for. If you use
my part of that's just a bonus, but it is cool.
Like I worked in the customer service team for my
first year with the company, and the amount of emails
we used to get, even back when we're small, like
(52:50):
of you guys have changed my golfing career, like golf life,
like I now love I hate a dreaded getting on
the greens and now that's my favorite part of the game.
And like just getting those emails, because there was a
bunch a lot of times that we were we were
a small company, were bugged down. We didn't have enough
people to do all of the jobs, and sometimes it
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was pretty overwhelming. But then you'd get, you know, once
a week, twice a week, you'd get these emails from
guys that would just make all of it okay. It
just be like, all right, this is this is why
we put in the hard work, and this is why
we work so hard, is to help these guys and
make people enjoy golf more.
Speaker 6 (53:29):
Stuart Smith, an accomplished pro from Reno, an early adopter
of lie angle and balance, who we heard from in
episode two.
Speaker 18 (53:37):
You can only applaud Lucas Glover. I mean, eventually, I
think what I've heard. We hear many definitions of the yips,
and basically it comes down to where you're expecting, you're
mechanically you're not able to meet your expectations, so it
creates an anxiety and once you're in that situation, it just.
Speaker 13 (53:57):
It just kicks in.
Speaker 18 (53:57):
So for him to overcome that and probably not even
fully yet, we still know that he's liable to miss
from eighteen inches. Still always such a great bass striker,
but he has something that he believes in. Now he's
been able to maybe wrestle that demon away from himself
to where he can literally step in and keep a
(54:19):
clear mind and roll it like he knows that he
that he can.
Speaker 16 (54:24):
We all believe we can.
Speaker 18 (54:25):
I mean I suffered with the Yipps as well, where
I would have never went to anchor and anchoring the
putter still probably putting mediocre at best, maybe there, but
still it's just that it's that one little thing that
has helped him overcome and maybe that has helped him
either mechanically to now meet his expectations better when he's
(54:47):
putting in an event or has pressure on him, and
he's able now to perform right without anxiety. That's the
whole deal. You perform without anxiety, and the lab Hutter
will l A B. Hudder will help you overcome some
of those demons. I'm a big believer in.
Speaker 9 (55:06):
That if you talk to Bill or send him a
text or any any interaction of congratulations or kind of
thoughts on feeling like you're the company and the technology
and everything that you've seen and used and believed in
for so long has been validated at this point Oh.
Speaker 18 (55:27):
Yeah, I mean Bill and I talked pretty regularly, so
he's still you know, he I never know when he
is coming in town, but he's always asked me to
play golf. We we usually always go out and play.
Funny enough, we'll use our La B putters, but we'll
go out and use some old forged irons and some
Persimmon clubs, and he loves to play these hickory sticks.
So usually I'll take my per Simmons and my sixties
(55:49):
irons out and he'll take his hick resticks and we
just go out and we kind of have a blast,
but the La B putter stays in the bag.
Speaker 6 (55:57):
And once again we'll end this episode with the man
and who started it all, Bill Pressey, who as a
kid in mcwan, Wisconsin, in a basement tinkering with clubs.
His grandfather once told him there are four ways to
make money. You can win it, marry it, sell it,
or invent it. As we learned in episode two, Pressey
(56:21):
went from living and working out of his car to
inventing the revealer and the technology behind lie angle and balance,
and he did it in his garage.
Speaker 9 (56:32):
What has been the uptick in business? Can you quantify
for me the difference between where you were in June
to where you are in August, now that Lucas has
gone back to back.
Speaker 23 (56:47):
Yeah, I suppose it's a dicey question. But the next
day broomstick sales for pass shortcutter sales. That's pretty big.
That's a big that's a big big. I don't know
if it's still I haven't seen the recent sales reports.
But just like when Jack won with the response, the
(57:08):
same things happened the LAB. There's no I can't put
numbers out there, but it's off the hook, and I
feel bad for all all of our workers and the
builders are just double time over time, expanding, hiring, training,
to scale up to keep this demand. Thank god we
(57:30):
didn't get a tour win earlier. Thank god, because I
wouldn't have been able to capitalize LAB, we wouldn't have
been able to keep up. If this is what happens
when you win a tournament, thank god it didn't happen earlier.
I mean, it would have been cool, but yeah, that's
(57:51):
the business sense of it. The dangerous thing about business
is you can sell so much you'll put you out
of business. And there's so sort of grow and sustain
growth is uh, you have to be scaled to take
advantage when you when the time does come, and you
don't want that time to come too soon.
Speaker 2 (58:12):
You know.
Speaker 9 (58:12):
Do you get the sense that they're within this story?
There is there is a sense of hope and uh
and and inspiration that people can garner from your story,
you know, Uh, Lucas's story.
Speaker 1 (58:31):
You see what I'm saying, Like.
Speaker 9 (58:33):
Kelly's story, there is something here beyond. There's something at
work far beyond like a putter.
Speaker 23 (58:42):
Yeah, there's.
Speaker 16 (58:44):
I think it comes from within.
Speaker 23 (58:45):
I mean, you're doing your theme right, and you've been
with some pretty big companies before, and you know, there's
something that drives us to do this, and whether it's
resetting our own expectations for what we want in life.
(59:06):
And I had always had a desire to contribute to
the golf, the history of golf. And I was always
a very skilled, you know, persuemon club repairman and refinisher,
and I worked, you know, I learned the old old
clubs and the whole trade. And I always felt that
(59:28):
I had a calling. And I told this to my
friends in high school. I'm fifty almost fifty four, and
I told him I'm going to change the golf industry.
Didn't know how. I didn't know, but I knew way
back then that I was going to have an impact,
But I don't know.
Speaker 16 (59:47):
It wasn't.
Speaker 23 (59:50):
Consciously done or anything like that. It's just it's it's
a drive from within to do something a dream and
to you know, get out from under the machine. And uh,
you know, when you when you wake up in the morning,
(01:00:12):
the scariest thing is is knowing that you can do
what you want to do, but also knowing that you
gotta do what you got to do, because if you
have the ability not to do that, nobody's gonna yell
at you. And you have to make that conscious decision
to work harder and sacrifice everything for years to achieve something.
Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
That you want.
Speaker 23 (01:00:37):
And I think along, I know my goalposts have moved
over the years. When I started off, my expectations are
far lower than where we're at now. Ah for sure.
I mean even in the director forced days, it was
(01:00:57):
just to make a little putter company so I I
could stop teaching full time at Golf Tech and raise
my kid because I was a single parent and so
you only have so much time in the day to
cook clean, you know, get the kid to school and
do all this stuff. And so when you're working forty
to fifty hours a week to pay the mortgage and
(01:01:21):
do all that stuff, I decided right then and there
that I wanted a different life than to work for somebody.
And golf Tech was a great organization. I learned so
much from golf Tech, but the reality was it wasn't mine,
and I wanted something that was mine.
Speaker 14 (01:01:40):
And when I.
Speaker 23 (01:01:42):
Found the opportunity to expose the bullshit of face balance
and toe hang marketing being a golf pro, I saw
that immediately, and I'm like, oh, I'm gonna watch this thing.
I'm going to ride this I'm going to ride this
pony and this revealer into the sunset. And you know,
(01:02:03):
you got to go through a lot of hills and
valleys to get to that sunset. It's a hell of
a ride.
Speaker 9 (01:02:10):
It's sometimes the best story is your own story. And
I gotta feel like, I'm not sure you're ever gonna
stumble upon a better story than your own story.
Speaker 23 (01:02:27):
It's been a long ride, you know, I overcame a lot.
It's hard to talk about.
Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
Put another long fire. Nobody here getting tired settle down,
and sudden in the story here is about to begin,
(01:03:14):
the circles starting to take its shape, seats filled and
the tiredsome landsns escape, and everybody's got some glory, just
wait on to unfold. Everybody's got some story, Just wait
(01:03:35):
un to be too. The place for.
Speaker 9 (01:03:40):
That is here.
Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
All those smiles and all those tears, Let them go.
Put another log on the fire. Nobody hears getting tired,
(01:04:06):
Settle down, and settle in the story hears about to begin.
Tales were told of war and going, lovers lost in
a lifetimes dreams our soul. Maybe you should stop and
(01:04:34):
listen at the wisdom and me. Maybe you should pour
your heart out.
Speaker 9 (01:04:40):
We ain't going the way.
Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
Find your mercy and the sound as the smoke gets
pushed around in your soul. Put another log on the
(01:05:33):
five Nobody hears getting tired, Settle down, and settle in
the story hears about to begin. The story hears about
(01:05:58):
to begin. The story hears about to begin,
Any sense of what your success has done to Lab.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Yeah, I had to give Will McKenzie one of my
backups because he couldn't get one until like the end
of September, and that's a pro. And then a friend
of mine, a friend of a friend, ordered one and
is like eight months back ordered. So yeah, I think
they're pretty busy.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Put another log on the fire.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Nobody he is getting time.
Speaker 5 (00:44):
Welcome to the fire pit with Matt Chanella.
Speaker 6 (00:48):
So Lucas Glover wins the Windham Championship and for anyone
paying attention, especially his inner circle of friends, it wasn't
that surprising. Mac Parnhart, Glover's longtime friend and manager, literally
predicted it.
Speaker 7 (01:02):
And Mac just said, man, this is this is incredible,
and you know this is amazing. And but he looked
over at me and he goes, He's going to win Greensburro.
Speaker 8 (01:14):
That's the one. He's that's the one he's going.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
To win again.
Speaker 6 (01:17):
After three sessions with Jason Kuhn, the former Navy seal,
and after putting a LAB putter in play in Memorial
in June, Glover was on the definition of a heater
in his twenty four rounds. After Memorial and at Mirfield.
He had nineteen rounds in the sixties, which included a
sixty two, sixty three and two sixty fours. He had
(01:39):
only one round over par a seventy two in the
second round of the Canadian Open. And now, after a
decade of dealing with yips in what climaxed at setting
the putter behind the ball and essentially push putting, Glover
had his fifth win on the PGA Tour from a
late Sunday night in Greensboro. As he got into his car,
took the wheel and allowed him self a massive exhale.
(02:01):
It was immediately onto Memphis, where he had just qualified
for the first FedEx Cup playoff event.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Now your mental switch that you've made with Jason, and
then this change with the weapon you're using on the green,
right like that's a tool. Right now, you've got a
new tool, a new mind, but you've got the same
old ball striking, and you've got that resolve and the
grit and grind. Of course you go back. Of course,
(02:30):
you validated the following week.
Speaker 9 (02:32):
I mean, of course, you break through that finish line
as Mac described of a marathon runner in a collapse,
and then you get back up and run another race
and win it.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah, yeah, that was Yeah. Like I said, you just
kind of keep riding, rode the wave. There was just
an extreme, extreme, extreme amount of confidence when I got
to Memphis for all of the reasons you just said,
And you've hit the nail exactly on the head by
the ways you just said it. And I did say,
you know, after Greensboro and in between that that you
(03:05):
used a perfect word there, a weapon, And then it
had been such a crutch for so long, and now
I'm showing up with confidence on the greens and something
I believe in and at a place again I like that.
I've finished third there last year, I believe. And Crystal,
(03:25):
in my wife, she was saying, you know, even leading up,
she goes, you just need to get to Memphis because
that's your course. And turned out Greensboro was and that's
how I got to Memphis. But you know, she she
called that one. If you just get there, you're gonna
do good. You know, you're gonna do well. I think
you can win there, man. You know, I agree with
you just got to get there type situation. But then
(03:47):
when we did get there, I was, you know, riding
the high but also still thinking, man, I'm still feeling
pretty fresh and still you know, love this place and
playing nice and just played excellent golf the last six
seven weeks. And you know, now the second season kind
of starts, you know, the playoffs, and now now we
(04:11):
can tick off some goals for next year, you know,
maybe get in some majors, maybe get in the big events,
signature events, And wouldn't pick a better time to be
full of confidence and right now, and so let's do
what we did last week and stick to what we've
been doing, and you know, go have fun Putton and
let's do it again.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
Which makes you really dangerous.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah, yep, every golfer, every athlete, you know, you confident
and confident in what you're doing and how you're doing it,
and you know feel fresh, pretty rested somehow. Yeah, very
dangerous any anybody in that situation, in this situation.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
Glover opened with a sixty six, followed by a sixty four.
He shot another sixty six on Saturday and started the
final round with the lead. Some of the notable contenders
were Tommy Fleetwood two back, Rory McElroy three back, and
Patrick Cantley, who was five back. In the sweltering heat
of a Southern summer. Rory and Cantley made a run
(05:14):
and Glover seems to have finally hit a wall, but
not on the greens. He's struggling getting to them, which
is typically his strength and an indicator that he has spent.
It's his putter that's actually saving him. Before we get
to a mix of the CBS broadcast as Glover is
trying to win back to back, I just want to
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let's go to CBS on that Sunday, August thirteenth, twenty
twenty three, as Glover, who has a one shot lead
over Cantley, has a long putt to save par on
the thirteenth.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Ah, He's done it.
Speaker 10 (06:18):
Wow to look about clutch run to the next tea.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
On that next t a par three, he rinsed his iron.
Here's Jim Nance and Ian Baker Finch on the call
as he hits his third shot back to fourteen.
Speaker 11 (06:41):
Can he get it in close enough to make another
good putt for the bogie?
Speaker 6 (06:44):
Here's Ian Baker Finch and Dottie Pepper on that putt
to save bogie.
Speaker 12 (06:49):
Can he make two in a row?
Speaker 13 (06:51):
Yeah, yes he can.
Speaker 11 (06:53):
Water putt for Glover comm unbeliever twenty feet at the thirteenth,
thirty feet for body here at fourteen.
Speaker 6 (07:02):
After a par at fifteen, he birdies the par five
sixteenth to get back into a tie with can't lay
at fifteen under this for par at seventeen. Baker Finch
back on the call.
Speaker 11 (07:14):
Lind up straight, struck it straight and straight in the middle.
Lurcus Glover has hung in there once again.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
After making par on the eighteenth, it was off to
a playoff. Here's Jim Nance.
Speaker 14 (07:33):
Two men will battle it out in Memphis, Lucas Glover
and Patrick Cantlay.
Speaker 6 (07:39):
Cantley rinsed his first playoff te shot and after Glover
lagged up for an easy par, Patrick Cantley had a
twenty two foot putt to extend the playoff back to.
Speaker 14 (07:48):
Nance has to make it or Glover is the champion.
Got a chance? Oh sends the edge and Lucas Glover
goes back to back, including the opening leg of the
FedEx Cup playoffs one for the old guys.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
This was win number six for the forty three year
old Glover, a life changing and career altering stretch of golf,
with the yips seemingly in the rear view mirror. Back
to mac Barnhardt.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
He went back to back on the PGA Tour against
two of the best fields in the game, coming in
with the FedEx Cup and all the pressure in the.
Speaker 14 (08:36):
Back that that that you can't believe. And then to
add ind to that, you know it's it's one hundred
and eighty thousand degrees. You know they're playing on the sun.
You know, he hits it in the water on fourteen,
whereas before you know that might have had a little
Lucas did. I watched very closely when he hit in
(08:58):
the water. He didn't, he didn't really do anything. You know,
them just kind of went and walked over to the
drop area. You know this guy, I mean, he's a
he's a warrior now you know. But yeah, nobody will
never know. No, And I'm glad you know that. I mean,
nobody understands just the distractions of going from I don't
know what was he one hundred and tenth and fed
X to I don't know where he was, but he
(09:19):
went to the top seventy FedEx or somethwhere top fifty.
That alone is enough distraction to kind of go, let
your outsigh relief. You know, I've made it. That's what happens.
It's like the guy that finishes the race. They run
through the tape, you know, they put their arms out
and they run through the tape and then they collapse.
Because that's kind of what went in the god urnament is.
(09:40):
I mean, it takes so much out of you and
when and so for him to come back in the
heat again, same heat, to be rested and against the
testament to Kobe who trains him and keeps him in
line like that. But he's forty three too. He's not
not a child. I mean, he's in GoF he's he's
(10:00):
he's been playing twenty years out there to get that
mental stamina to hang in there. It doesn't shock me
with him, but it's still I mean, you would have
been okay if he'd finished top five. He just said, Man,
that was a great run to come back in a
playoff and beat Patrick Cantley. Yeah, that was. I mean,
(10:22):
for me, it's one of those things I'm standing there watching.
I I mean, I was stunned. I don't. I think
stunned is as easy as best all I can say
to me.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
It goes at that point, it goes from being a
golf story to a sports story.
Speaker 14 (10:36):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I agree.
Speaker 14 (10:39):
He's a sportsman, so it would make sense, you know,
and you know that is when you know you know Lucas.
I think it was he hit nine greens on Sunday
at Memphis, and I remember I think he said to
me he didn't feel like that mini greens or something
kind of but and I was like, I remember saying
(11:01):
to him, I said, Amen, I go, these guys can't
let you beat them hitting nine greens. Got we got
some we got They better be paying attention because you know,
Lucas is the thirteen fourteen green guy day right, and
you can't let him beat you hitting nine dreams.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
Back to Lucas Glover again. Our conversation was in September,
a few weeks after his back to back wins in
August of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
You're in the bloodstream, You're you are, this is you.
This is your personal story. Are you able to see
that it goes from like that's a damn good golf
story to holy shit, this is a sports story.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah? I think so, But mainly for the reasons I
mentioned earlier. Is those you know, the stories of perseverance
and the stories of self belief and hard work and
believing in yourself and all those cliches that we attached
to sports, and unfortunately not enough to two people outside
(12:06):
of sports that that are doing the same things in
different ways. But but yeah, yeah, I see that, and
I hope I hope people see it or some one
person sees it and changes their mindset about something. Just
that'll be enough for me. But but yeah, I do
understand the influence is the right word. But I do
(12:33):
understand the impact. That's the there's the word that that
that it could have and that makes me. That makes
me happy and more thankful is that, like we said,
we can I can use this to to push my
kids in a in a positive way, and then other
people that that may be able to use this as
(12:53):
as a as a motivator.
Speaker 9 (12:55):
Isn't it really just about like your son or your
daughter saying, I'm proud of you, daddy, and that now
you've given them, You've given them the thing that they'll
be able to hold on to for like you know,
you're referencing your grandfather and the accomplishments he's had. You know,
they'll be able to reference you for the rest of
their life.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
And I saw my.
Speaker 9 (13:16):
Because they're at an age where it's not like they're
one or two or even you know, thirty or thirty two.
They're at a very tender, impactful agent. Isn't that what
it's about?
Speaker 2 (13:27):
One hundred percent? One hundred percent you know if you yeah,
you hope in life you reach them first, you know
your bubble. If not, you're doing it wrong, right, You
just hope you get that chance one hundred percent. Yeah,
well yeah, absolutely and yeah, but yeah, back to what
we said, you know, practice what you preach, and now
(13:49):
I can have a I have something I can point
to and say, remember you were there, that's that was
that moment, that's where it all came and h and yeah,
just to have that opportunity to have that, to have
that potential impact on them, it was all that all
that any of us care about as parents.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
Amen to that. Back to Michael Simms, Glover's longtime friend.
Speaker 7 (14:14):
Again, Matt, it was it was neat to see everything
kind of it was neat to see Mac do his thing,
you know, and put pieces of the puzzle kind of
on the table, and then to watch them all get
put together is uh, it's exciting, It's really really cool.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
A big part of what was put together was Jason
Kohn again, the former Navy seal.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
To win a PGA Tour event is bonkers. There's only
like you know, there's only one every week and the
rest are all losers in theory. So to see Lucas
do that at then to follow it up with all
the other distractions that come with a win and the
exhaustion that comes with with a win, mental, physical, you know,
(15:11):
you got to get up and then get to the
next venue and get right in and you're talking about
full field like, you know, these are He's not winning
low level events. These are elite level events. Playoffs would
be shocking to everybody else in this It's it wasn't
just a golf story. It was a sports story. This
(15:31):
was this was transcendent at that point. To win back
to back PGA Tour events is absolutely mind boggling shocking
to the general public and anybody who actually follows the
game at a high level. But was it surprising to you?
Speaker 15 (15:47):
No, I mean I wouldn't say it was surprising a
little bit, of course, because of the odds that are involved.
But I've always felt like an underdog, and I've always
rooted for the underdog, and that's what we set out
to do, you know. And I mean, yeah, originally it's
We're going to overcome the yips and get your game
back on par and start moving up the ladder and whatever.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
But you won back to back.
Speaker 16 (16:13):
I mean, you know, I mean with.
Speaker 15 (16:15):
Our intention though, that's what we want to do. We
want to keep that up, you know. And yeah, I
mean it's I was just I guess I've had a
surprised of course, a little bit. But you know, I
think that critics and the low odds, rather than being
defining characteristics of our capability, they're natural properties of difficult tasks.
That's what makes them special and worthy of pursuit. And
(16:38):
it's the pursuit of an aim that keeps our soul
alife more so than the accomplishment of it. And so
why limit ourselves with Okay, well, if we get in
the top twenty, that'll be good enough, you know, Or
if we get in this that or the other thing,
that'll be good enough. Like let's set our sites on
winning this and winning all of them. Why wouldn't we,
you know, And we'll see what happened. But that's the intention.
(17:02):
I mean, we don't go out on a mission and
the Seal teems to kind of feel it out and
see how it goes. We're going out to absolutely dominate,
you know, destroying, destroying, demoralize on our opponent as soon
as possible. Now in competition, of course, there's some moral
ethical boundaries that are different from combat and things like that,
but that's what we're going into. Absolutely crush the competition.
(17:22):
We're going in to win every single time, all of them.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
It must be so rewarding it is to be you
and to have this kind of impact on people's lives
because they must feel so lost and so embarrassed.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
We're so you know, angst ridden, and then you're able
to like bring it.
Speaker 15 (17:45):
Back it's very meaningful to me, and it's incredibly rewarding.
And it's because when I was in college, I never
heard of the term yips. Until the years after I
was done playing. I didn't know what had happened. I
just knew it was some sort of anomaly, you know.
I knew I wasn't mentally weak, and then I went
(18:06):
and I proved that by going through buds and seal
training and how weak.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
But I never really knew.
Speaker 15 (18:11):
But when I take myself back to that point in time,
and I think, I kind of try to not go
there too often. It was so dark, and it was
so hard, and it was so embarrassing, and it was
frustrating because you don't know how to describe it to anyone,
you know, and it's very lonely and you feel like
(18:33):
you're the only person in the world. This was before
social media, so you can't get on there and look
it up, you know, like AOL I think was coming
around about that time or something, you know, the dial
up internet, so it's not like you can hop on Google.
And even if we had, I wouldn't know what the
college because I've never heard of the yips, you know,
I just it was so hard, but I found God
(18:54):
through it, I developed I learned about myself through it.
I got better through it, and I think that implosion
of made me a person capable of becoming a Navy seal.
And then through the sealed teams, the experiences, relationships developed,
and confidence gained, all sorts of things helped me develop
a solution for this problem. And it's incredibly rewarding and
(19:17):
meaningful to me to help athletes with it. And that's
why it's it's always a different version of the same story,
you know, when they come to me and start talking
through it, and.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
Yeah, let's go back to Glover.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Was it just like this massive stress test and then
you now you're able to kind of stop down, reflect
and reset and reconfigure your future.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Yeah yeah, yeah, for sure. You know, go from Memphis
to Chicago and still kind of riding the high there,
just didn't play that great and then kind of ran
out of gas in Atlanta. To be honest, I was exhausted,
but yeah, got home, yeah, yeah, and then got home
and I've just been home. Man, it's been awesome and
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just yeah, I don't haven't been talking about it much,
but I've sure been thinking about it a lot, and yeah,
it's just reflecting on it. But again, I'm not really
that way. I'm like, well, all right, let's use this,
let's use this, let's go have the best year we've
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had next year. And I'm in all the majors, I'm
in all the signature events. And you know, I got
home and Sunday night and Tuesday I was in the
gym and and just motivated, just and happy and it's fun.
And I played golf one time since Atlanta, and but
it's not ever too far from my brain. And just
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trying to get back in shape and get my body
where I wanted and play a couple of times this fall,
and and uh, just stay fresh for twenty four.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
So fun.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Absolutely, it is so fun.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
Back to Michael Simms.
Speaker 7 (21:06):
You know, it wasn't until after the Tour Championship that
I got to say some of the things that I
wanted to really say to him, just really really proud
of really proud of them, and.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Give me a give me a nugget or two of
what you really wanted to say to them.
Speaker 7 (21:21):
I think that's just between Lucas and I. Some things
are best left unsaid, you know.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
There there.
Speaker 8 (21:43):
I mean I love the man, So it's it's uh, it.
Speaker 7 (21:46):
Was nothing, but really really, you know, it was it was,
it was great things, it was, it was really cool.
Speaker 8 (21:54):
It was nice. It was a really really nice conversation.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
A person like Michael Simms, What what is it about
out him and that relationship? That's that that you know?
Is that just like best friendship? Is that the best
way to describe a relationship like with a guy like Michael.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Yeah, he's he's very good at wording things in ways
that make you He just tells it like it is.
He just says, You're never ever ever going to admit
to me that how awesome that was. But I'm here
to tell you that was awesome, and you're never ever
ever going to brag about it. But I'm going to
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brag to you. So you have to hear it. And
just you know, everybody needs that friend. When it's good,
he reminds you. And then when it's bad, it's never
that bad. But yeah, he's seen it, he's lived it,
he's played the game, he struggled with the game, and yeah,
you know, he but he's not the type of friend
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that tries to fix everything. He wants to hear it.
From me. He wants to hear my struggles, and then
he thinks about it for a little bit, and then
a few days later, you know, I've been thinking about that.
And it's never that quick fix. It's never that knee
jerk reaction. It's always well, let me you know. And
he never says it, but he thinks on it for
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a little bit and then he he'll come back to
you with an idea. And but his relationship is has
been key in it, just because he's grounding, but he
also reminds me that it's still supposed to be fun,
it's still supposed to be enjoyable. And uh, it's just
a constant reminder that that I'm still good enough. I
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just got to enjoy it and just have fun with it.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
To Mac Barnhard again for his reflections on Glover's finish
to his season, this.
Speaker 14 (23:51):
Is this is to be continued is the way I
look at it, right. I mean, this is not we
didn't This isn't he found on something he's always hit.
He's always hit it as well, so and he didn't
really hit it as well coming in. He was just tired.
He's always hit it well and this isn't like he
found a putting stroke where he found I mean, I
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think he found Lucas and it could get, really, it
could get. We could have some fun now. I mean
this cat can, he can, He's always been able to
hit it. But I don't think anybody like I said,
you have to be closest game to understand how fans
are and how they say how much they appreciate what
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he did. I mean, he went from nowhere to there.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
There was back to back wins, five top tens in
the ten events after Memorial and he was in the
conversation for the Ryder Cup team. Glover had made it
clear he wanted to be wearing red, white and blue.
After Memphis. Glover, the hottest player in the world literally
and figuratively, sat in sixteenth in the Ryder Cup standings
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after the Memphis win, and in the press conference, he
answered questions about playing for his country, first from Rex Hoggard,
second question from Doug Ferguson.
Speaker 12 (25:12):
I know this has cappened kind of fast, but in
the last I don't know five starts. Has the Ryder
Cup gotten on your mind at all? About fifteen minutes ago,
what'd you think? I think I've never made it and
I want to.
Speaker 17 (25:26):
And if you, I think you'd have to win next
week to earn your spot onto the team.
Speaker 12 (25:31):
If you don't, would you pick you.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Right now? Yes? Playing pretty good golf, and I think
I'd be pretty good in the team room and be
a good partner, So yeah, absolutely I would.
Speaker 6 (25:47):
After the win in Memphis, Glover finished T. Twenty two
at the BMW Championship, and in the Tour Championship, his
ninth event in ten weeks, he finished T. Eighteen and then,
as we all know by now, on August thirtieth, Glover
was passed up by captain Zach Johnson to play for
Team USA. Here's Mac Barnhart.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
If you're Zach.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Johnson, would you have put him on your team?
Speaker 14 (26:13):
Two seconds? Two seconds? Jackson neighbor down the road here.
I mean, I've been in that war room with Davis
when they're doing pigs. It's not easy.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
It's not easy.
Speaker 14 (26:23):
But I mean he and Keingan Bradley, I mean, probably
two hottest players in the world. Yeah, you know, like
I say, we're gratefully disappointed. We're disappointed and that we
didn't do it. We're grateful that we were even part
of the conversation. I'm like that, but would not to
take Lucas Glover if he gave you any hint that
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he was ready to play. I don't even I can't
even find them what anybody was thinking. I mean, Brian
Harmon and Lucas Glover. Put them together, and they're not
going to miss the fairwell, they're not going to miss
a green and both of.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Them can pie.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Michael Simms, if you're Zach Johnson, do you pick Lucas
Glover to be on that Ryder Cup team?
Speaker 7 (27:06):
I mean, I mean, I do, you know, but that's
that's neither here nor there. He's got so many great
things to look forward to in these next you know,
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with this next season and moving.
Speaker 8 (27:31):
Forward with his with his own career, Like.
Speaker 7 (27:35):
You know, that stuffs great, but you know it's it's
a it's a nice little show. And then and that
I would love for him to be a part of
because I know what I know what that means to him.
You know, he's he's played on the Walker Cup team and.
Speaker 8 (27:54):
It would have been really really special.
Speaker 7 (27:56):
Let's just say that, and and uh, but I know
there's a lot of other things that are involved, and
it's pretty neat that he's in the conversation again, awesome
that he's in the conversation when I picked.
Speaker 8 (28:11):
Him, Yeah, he's hot. Would I want Lucas putting for
me right now?
Speaker 7 (28:16):
Absolutely? Would I want him hitting the T ball for me? Yes,
what I want. And he's a team player, and you know,
like I said, he's got a lot of heart and
like Mac always says, you can't measure that.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
Let's give Glover the final word on the Ryder Cup.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Would you have picked yourself to be on that Ryder
Cup team?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Yes, I said it then, I'll say it now. And
you know, they they revamped the system to pick the
hot guy, and he was pretty hot. You know, gave
out a gas there in Atlanta, didn't have the greatest finish,
but you know, I felt like I fit the criteria.
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I guess I kind of understand why I didn't, But
you know, I, uh, one hundred and one under par
since Detroit, I would think that's pretty hot.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Mac called it grateful, disappointment, grateful, grateful to be in
the conversation, disappointed to not be in the tournament.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah, one hundred percent. And that's exactly what Tommy said
as well. A texting texted him that we weren't going,
and he says, well, back in June, if we you
told me we were having this conversation, uh, we just
said you're crazy. But but yeah, that's perfectly termed grateful disappointment. Yeah,
exactly right.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Zach is you know you guys are you guys? Are
you guys?
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Are in?
Speaker 9 (29:46):
Been been in and around, You've been been friends, you know, peers, competitors,
you know a long time?
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Was that it was it? Do you think it was
tougher on you or tougher on him to to make
that call or feel that call?
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Probably him. I've talked to several former captains and they said,
that's the hardest part of the gig. And uh, you know,
Zach came, Zach and I came out together and four
on tour in the same class on corn Ferry and
O three and been friendly and friends, very friendly ever since.
And in the back of my head, knowing that how
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difficult that was from hearing it from other people, I
just didn't make it any harder than I knew it
was for him. Just said, amen, I understand, no problem,
good luck, and uh, I'll be pulling for you and
that you know, So yeah, I can only imagine how
difficult that was, because you know, as the captain, how
how much everybody else wants it, and uh yeah, I
had to be very difficult in that conversation.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Does he just simply tell you that that he wasn't
able to pick here or does he tell you that
he picked someone up?
Speaker 8 (30:53):
Like?
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Is it just a short conversation? Probably not long?
Speaker 2 (30:57):
No, No, wasn't long. I made like I said, I'll
try to make it as short as possible and as
easy only as possible. He just said that what in
uh uh what in the what in the fit? He
was looking for type conversation. So that's fine.
Speaker 6 (31:15):
Meanwhile, let's go back to lab golf. Here's Sam Han
reflecting on Glovers back to backs.
Speaker 17 (31:21):
I'm just so happy for him, man, I mean this
is you know, as anybody who's in the golf world knows.
I mean, this is one of golf's best dudes. Like,
just so awesome, and I applaud obviously, the resurgence is
incredible and staying on, you know, committed to trying something different.
All that stuff's really impressive. What I find equally, if
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not more impressive, is the fact that the dude kept
his card for ten years with the yips like that.
That takes a level like and and now that I
think about it, when I realized that that he did
that he kept his card with the yips, which nobody does.
Like the dude who finishes one hundred and ninety eight
on tour and putting loses his card every year, period
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like period.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
And he didn't.
Speaker 17 (32:04):
And he didn't because he had a level of acceptance,
you know, about what he was dealing with, and you know,
and you'd see him miss short pots. I'm sure he'd
get mad, he slapped his leg or whatever, but like
for the most part, you miss your your your fourth
four foot of a round, that next drive is going
in the fucking trees and then you're hitting the tree
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trying to punch out, and then you're shooting seventy six
and you're going home. And he didn't, you know, he
had this, he had he had enough of the ability
to compartmentalize his putting that allowed him to maintain his
extraordinary ball striking. And he's one of like two guys
that I can think of pretty much, him and Sergio
Garcia the only two guys that have that have transcended
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horrendous putting with other worldly ball striking, and he did it,
you know, and he compartmentalizes putting with sings another yuy, yeah,
absolutely great call, great call yeah, And and totally exact
same thing, where these guys just didn't let their shitty
putting bother them and they knew they were going to
hit it well enough to maintain.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
And then.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Ben Hogan for that matter, fucking he tested fucking putting.
Speaker 17 (33:13):
Of course, he said they should be two different games,
and before Lab I used to agree.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
In two weeks of wins, Glover doubled his career earnings
in the previous five years out on tour, which included
a win at the John Deere.
Speaker 17 (33:25):
By the way, what.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Does that meant for the LAB business? How many putt?
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Like?
Speaker 18 (33:31):
What?
Speaker 1 (33:32):
How obscene? Is this from a business perspective?
Speaker 17 (33:37):
It's obscene, but not catastrophic. Explain if he'd have won
with a conventional directed force, it would have been catastrophic.
I mean, we'd have had way more orders than we
would have been able to fulfill in the next six months.
It's been a massive explosion for sure. I mean business
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is virtually doubled overnight, but it didn't quadruple because it
was a broomstick, so so which is interesting too, Like
I have it in my head that if it had
been Adam winning two weeks in a row. Yeah, Lucas's
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win definitely validated the technology in a lot of minds.
For the for the avid golfer who knows who we
are and starting to see him pop up at their
country club and seeing them around wondering what these things about.
Lucas winning definitely validated some of the tech. It also
validated broomsticking because I think in the mind of the
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average golfer, I would say that him switching to a
broom was probably more relevant in their minds than than
the technology in that room. And so it's been really funny.
I would I guarantee guarantee that we've broke an all
time global broomstick sales record in the last two weeks.
Speaker 9 (35:05):
This is what like give me like you you went
from like selling five putters a week or whatever the
number was.
Speaker 17 (35:13):
We sold more broomsticks in the last week than we
had in the last two years combined. We had one
we had one one entity.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
What they called uh.
Speaker 17 (35:24):
Golf Golf Supply like in Alabama or something like that
called up the next dame about one hundred and twenty brooms,
which is greaty.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
They sell it five hundred bucks apiece or or or
seven Yeah.
Speaker 17 (35:38):
Yeah, I mean we we got all kinds of fun
custom upgrades. I think if you're growing straight steel, yeah,
maybe it's like five fifty five seventy five something like that.
Next shaft up is going to be six fifty, which
is probably the acroshaft, which is probably the most popular
of everybody ordering these things up. And then you know
you put the the you know, a couple other high
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end chefts that we have in there. You know, you
spend a thousand bucks pretty quick on one of those things.
And yeah, I mean it's been crazy, and so we've
got so many first time broomstickers, which, like I said,
I think if it was Adam, I don't think it
would have had that effect. It might have had the effect,
it would have had the effect on lab like it
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would have had. You know, we would have seen massive
sales increases and all that, but I don't think it
would have been nearly as broomstick specific as it was
with Lucas because of how well documented his short putting
woes were.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
And so.
Speaker 17 (36:38):
You know in the way he's telling the story too,
kind of I think makes broomsticking seem like less intimidating,
less scary. By the way.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
I love putting with a broomstick.
Speaker 17 (36:50):
It's an awesome way to put and I had never
touched one until we started prototyping for Adam, and I
developed my own technique on my own, just most of
so I could figure out which feels good and understand
the feedback that he was giving us on how to
make these things and how they were supposed to look
and feel and whatever. And I think it's an incredible
way to putt. And it's just so funny, like when
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people grab it. When I'm putting with one, and people
grab it to try it. You got four seconds. They
pull it back. It's so heavy, they feel it fall
to the inside, they loop it around. It feels all
completely out of control, and they're like, geek, not for me,
and they don't give it another try when all it
takes is another fifteen seconds and somebody's saying like, no,
this is how you make it work, and then it'll work.
Speaker 6 (37:33):
Back to Adam Beach, owner of my Golf Spy and
independent company testing anything in everything, A golfer buys and uses.
Speaker 9 (37:41):
What are your thoughts knowing what you know about LAB
putters and this technology, and then knowing how hard it
is to keep your card and be Lucas Glover and
then to win back to back, what are your thoughts
on that?
Speaker 5 (37:53):
Is it validation or is it a some.
Speaker 9 (37:56):
Or what.
Speaker 19 (37:57):
Lots of golfers over the history of time have found
the putter that work for them, right, So LAB is
not unique in that. Right, Lucas Glover found the putter
that is working for him.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
That's great.
Speaker 19 (38:06):
But the interesting thing is we're finding that with so
many people and it's not broken out into the tour
yet because it is an oddity. So where you're seeing
it is and people that were willing to take a
chance to solve a really hard problem.
Speaker 16 (38:19):
Adam Scott.
Speaker 19 (38:20):
A lot of the people on the live you're seeing
play with it, Lucas Glover, and it's solving the problem.
But what you're not seeing on TV because they don't
cover amateurs, is this putter is solving problems like that
for people all over the world that aren't professional golfers,
which is the really cool thing.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
You know.
Speaker 19 (38:41):
The other thing too, that I think is great for
Lucas Glover Lab golfers in general is like you said,
at the end of a tournament, the camera is focused
on the putter, right, And if a putter can win
a big tournament, go back to Payne Stewart and Seymour Putters.
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I was actually involved with Seymour Putters at a time
like that, and I remember there were thirty thousand orders
that came in and actually bankrupted the company because they
couldn't keep up with the orders. LAB is going to
have a similar situation. And here's why. If it was
just a Scottie Cameron winning, a few people would go
out and buy it. But not only is this putter
winning and helping a golfer, but it's such a polarizing
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looking design like Seymour's was back in the day that
people go Every golfer is looking for the solution, the
club that can take them from a ninety to seventy two,
and they actually think there's a single club for a
training aid.
Speaker 14 (39:36):
That can do that.
Speaker 19 (39:38):
So this gives them hope, right, and every golfer is
looking for hope. I just talked to my dad. He's
eighty years old, and look, he's never figured it out.
But he calls me, he said, I think I finally
figured it out. So Okay, sure, I mean he's still
he's still got that hope.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
You know.
Speaker 19 (39:54):
So when people see that lab putter, help a guy
like Lucas Sclover that has had the yips with a putter,
and they they also relate to that struggle because all
of us have struggled like that. That's human, right, that's amateur.
And now see an amateur be able to put as
well as he has with this putter.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
That's real.
Speaker 19 (40:13):
I mean, it's just authentic.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
You know.
Speaker 8 (40:15):
You can't you can't.
Speaker 6 (40:16):
You can't manufacture that from Adam Beach to Adam Scott.
Speaker 9 (40:20):
Okay, now here comes Lucas Glover. Where where at what point?
At what point do you uh, where was it or
how was it in which you had a conversation which
you know, Lucas ultimately ends up with a lab in
his bag?
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Yeah, I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 20 (40:38):
What I did notice this year wash and last year
was a few guys came to talk to me about it.
Charles Waltzel talked to me about it last year at
the Byron Nelson and Thursday morning he was still unsure whether.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
He should put it in or not?
Speaker 20 (40:57):
Uh, And I said, well, you know, I'm not here
to tell you whether you should put it in play
or not, but why don't you just do the same
things you did in practice, which she told me was
so good today. How it couldn't be worse, Like he
wasn't putting or playing particularly well. I said, I don't
think it can be worse, so you should just think
of it the same you were making everything you said,
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And he went out and made like twenty six birdies
that week and shot twenty something under and finished top
ten for his first top ten in a few years
on the tour. And he then left to live but
he won the first live event with the lab. You know,
kind of a little bit out of nowhere, respectfully saying
that about a Master's champion, but you know, he had
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him in playing well. And then this year I kept
watching more and more guys put labs in play around
the world, and I saw Ben Arnes. James Hahn first
switched and he led strokes game putting his first week
in Hilton Head. Ben Arnes switched and turned his game around.
That was kind of midway through the season, and that
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about the same time Lucas Glover opped in and put
it in play as well, and obviously we saw very
well what he did, you know, And to me, it
just looks like it's complimenting the rest of their games,
is what it looks like it's doing, and giving them
the freedom to play the way that they know they can,
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and obviously giving them a hell of a lot of
confidence to go out and make some putts on the greens.
Speaker 9 (42:34):
Lucas being an example of obviously the wherewithal or the
perseverance and the toughness to do what he has done,
which is keep his card for for so long, regardless
of putting struggles for so long, very very very famously
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infamously now at this point where he just you know,
we saw him. Every anybody who's a golfer can somewhat
relate to just that, that pain and the the optics
of it all. Just so nobody wants to look right
and then and then to go on and uh and
to win back to back against formidable fields and and
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and literally resurrect his whole career. Do you you do
you remember any kind of conversation you had with him,
or or anything in which did he come to you,
did you did you at that point then become almost
like the shepherd or the sherpa, helping people get up
to the to the top to the top of their mountains.
Speaker 10 (43:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 20 (43:40):
No, I joked that we're starting a little bit of
a cult and we're going to have meetings every uh
every Friday evening out there. But no, Lucas didn't come
to me. But you know, we played college golf at
the same time. We are similar age and we've known
each other a long time. Uh, And you know, he's
he's a think his mind. I don't know much about
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his game and what he gets up to with his game,
but you know, here's a guy who likes doing crosswords
to activate his brain. And you know he's a smart guy.
And there's no doubt that when you're struggling with your
putting like he has, it's just it's just such hard work.
You know, anyone who's felt a tough time on the
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greens can relate. You know, I think back to that.
My frustration levels was so high in twenty ten, with
good putting and bad putting. I just didn't know what
was going to show up. It was either good or terrible,
and I just couldn't do it anymore.
Speaker 8 (44:36):
So I said, that's it.
Speaker 20 (44:37):
I'm going to learn something new. Yeah, I see more
guys doing it. And it doesn't it doesn't have to
be a broomstick. I just feel like I've just been
on a search for the last ten years and like,
what is the best piece of equipment that will help
me hit more good putts? And you know, that's kind
of the path I'm still going down. And I think,
you know, a lot of the tech, all the technology
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in a lab start you in such a good place.
You know you're getting you're giving yourself a great chance
before you've even moved it, and then when it moves,
it moves better.
Speaker 6 (45:10):
To Kelly Slater, who we learned about in episodes three
and four, was one of the early adopters of the
lab Look and Results. It was Slater's putting at Pebble
Beach that led Adam Scott to try and one.
Speaker 16 (45:22):
There's something there that's really special.
Speaker 10 (45:24):
And I'm really super glad to see that FROs are
catching on to it, because that's what becomes accepted by
the masses after that.
Speaker 16 (45:32):
But you know, to see Lucas when when.
Speaker 10 (45:35):
When obviously he's had some putting woes, over the years,
and I think there was three or four in the
top seven that same week. He's in the lab Putter.
I think most of them on the MEZ. A couple
of guys are on the directed force that I like.
I prefer the directed force myself, but I think visually,
if probably people have a problem with the directed force,
they end up leaning towards the mez and trying that,
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and it just for me, it didn't. It didn't square
up as well as the directed force.
Speaker 16 (46:05):
It does for me.
Speaker 10 (46:06):
But you know, Charles Howe's using them as Adams using
them as I think Lucas using them as Yeah, I've
I've bought a few for other people too, or ordered some.
I actually played with Obama and he was he was
checking the buttter out, like what is this thing?
Speaker 16 (46:20):
So I had Sam sending one. It's just been a
fun journey.
Speaker 10 (46:24):
I really enjoyed feeling like I have some small partner,
but also watching something that I knew was great start
to become something.
Speaker 16 (46:33):
And it's fun to feel like you're like going on
that journey with them.
Speaker 9 (46:36):
You know, little validation, right, little validation of your instincts,
your sense of technology of validation for them and what
their their journey as a company. I mean I would
imagine all of that just and then to watch Lucas
the ultimate grinder, who's kept his card for ten years
regardless of all these putting wo for him to go
(46:57):
back to back, all of it is like such feel good.
Speaker 16 (47:01):
It's insane.
Speaker 10 (47:02):
Yeah, I get goosebumps when you just said that, because
it's so cool.
Speaker 9 (47:06):
Man.
Speaker 16 (47:06):
It's yeah.
Speaker 10 (47:08):
I mean, I love seeing my friends succeed, and so
it's great. You know, Sam and I have become buddies
over the last few years, and I just love that
it's being accepted and and and sort of run with
by people. You know, A one putt two putts in
any tournament changes these guys' lives. Yeah, like, but it's
(47:31):
it's amazing, and I'm surprised that I'm surprised none of
the big guys have seen this and tried.
Speaker 16 (47:38):
To come in and buy the company.
Speaker 10 (47:41):
And I think now that it's finding its own footing,
it's maybe it's too late.
Speaker 13 (47:47):
You know.
Speaker 9 (47:48):
There is telling me that they were all playing, like Liam,
the Rep, and the skuy madd who works with them,
and they're all in these three different groups playing their tournament.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
When Lucas was at the window.
Speaker 9 (47:58):
And they all ran and they just ran to each
other and jumped up and hugged and celebrated when they
when you, yeah, it's and they've now doubled the sale.
The total sales of the company up to this point
has doubled in the last month.
Speaker 10 (48:16):
No, that's amazing, man, Now cool is that what a
success story?
Speaker 2 (48:20):
Great?
Speaker 10 (48:21):
It's a snowball, you know, because not just the pros
now so many more people are gonna be seeing that
putter at their courses, and then more people, oh let
me try that. Oh my god, I gotta get one
of those. It's just it's gonna be like it's a sensation.
I just knew it was kind of bubbling below the
surface and at some point everyone's.
Speaker 16 (48:38):
Gonna go, Okay, we get it.
Speaker 10 (48:40):
A product like this is like it reversed as the
sponsorship thing, where like the player has to pay a
little back to the company. That'd be kind of funny.
Speaker 6 (48:52):
It was Brett Rumford, the Australian journeyman and short game
guru back in episode five, who said something similar as
it relates eats the ball and equipment deals, especially relating
to the putter. Here he is again reflecting on Glover's wins.
Speaker 21 (49:08):
If you're a yipper, I mean, that's another world, isn't it.
I Mean that's like he's come from the full on
world of yipping. Like that's like that goes beyond a
sales pitch. That to me, to take someone that for
fifty was it fifty nine or sixty you had that
part from a foot and almost came out of the
circle te of the Scotty Cameron that who was using
(49:29):
like almost missed, almost missed the golf ball from foot
and a half.
Speaker 13 (49:33):
You missed the whole by about two inches.
Speaker 21 (49:35):
This is a guy that's on an absolute runner, like
he's he's got a put for fifty nine, so, which
is crazy.
Speaker 13 (49:43):
But when that starts to set in, it's in.
Speaker 21 (49:44):
But when you take someone that's that's a yipper to
a back to back winner like that, that goes beyond
the sales pitch, That just goes beyond, you know, that's
that's more the intuitive awareness that unlocks certain things with
an player that just frees them up, doesn't it. You know,
just that giving up control. He's you know, maybe for
(50:05):
the first time in his career. You know, he's literally
just given up control. He's had the feeling of it
anyway that he doesn't have to have this you know
control that we all have on the putter, so which
is just amazing. And that's just like walking my analogy
from before. It's it's really hard to try and give
up that control. But I think the technology is is
that there's just there's just no micro muscles that's holding
(50:28):
up any part of the putter. So all you're doing
is holding up sure the part of whatever lineboard that's in,
you're holding up the mass of the putter, but there's
this zero twist in your hands, so I mean you
can literally just put it with two.
Speaker 13 (50:42):
Fingers and the thing just just swings by itself.
Speaker 21 (50:45):
It's an amazing story, but it's you know, there's so
many facets to it that could be basically analyzed and
broken down. And I'm sure there's there's sykes out there
that just what I spend thirty minutes with him speaking.
I'm sure there's like the brain connection everything else. Like
psychologists are kind to basically say, yeah, that was me.
(51:05):
I'll be working with him for the last three months,
you know, studies put it, you know, says putting his
hand up and I'm sure it's a bit of a
concoction of everything. But for me, it is like I
say to my dad. You know, for all these psyche
gurus that are out there, I said to my dad,
I give him like a five stack of books. You know,
these guys here are like working with the best players
on the PGA tour.
Speaker 13 (51:23):
So read that, Read all those books, and you'll be
on the seniors tour next year. He plays off twelve.
Speaker 21 (51:28):
But there's still a point, right, there's still a point
where there's the genius of the player, you know, the
talent of the player that's played, you know for his
whole life. There's still that that work ethic that you need,
isn't it.
Speaker 13 (51:39):
Then you need the information on top of it. It's a
bit of a blood of everything.
Speaker 21 (51:42):
But and then when you get this, you know, this
technology in his hands. You know, he's got the golf
and DNA, he knows how to play the game. All
of a sudden, it just it just frees him up
and unlocks that that player within, doesn't it. And all
of a sudden it now just becomes he's a ball striker.
And now he's got the feeling that he's a winner.
And then that's that's a powerful concoction.
Speaker 6 (52:03):
Liam Bedford of lab Golf, who built Glover's original putter.
Speaker 22 (52:07):
That is my number one objective is to help people
play better. That doesn't matter who it is. If I
can help someone put better, I've done my job. Like
that's what I feel like my job is. All I
want to do is help people put better. And even
if that's not even in our product, Like if I can,
if I can go out to the tour, a tour event,
and you know I will, we will be will be
(52:28):
messed around with a bunch of different putters and then
there's I mentioned something that they notice and they start
feeling something different and they start rolling in all parts.
Like that's all I can ask for. If you use
my part of that's just a bonus, but it is cool.
Like I worked in the customer service team for my
first year with the company, and the amount of emails
we used to get, even back when we're small, like
(52:50):
of you guys have changed my golfing career, like golf life,
like I now love I hate a dreaded getting on
the greens and now that's my favorite part of the game.
And like just getting those emails, because there was a
bunch a lot of times that we were we were
a small company, were bugged down. We didn't have enough
people to do all of the jobs, and sometimes it
(53:12):
was pretty overwhelming. But then you'd get, you know, once
a week, twice a week, you'd get these emails from
guys that would just make all of it okay. It
just be like, all right, this is this is why
we put in the hard work, and this is why
we work so hard, is to help these guys and
make people enjoy golf more.
Speaker 6 (53:29):
Stuart Smith, an accomplished pro from Reno, an early adopter
of lie angle and balance, who we heard from in
episode two.
Speaker 18 (53:37):
You can only applaud Lucas Glover. I mean, eventually, I
think what I've heard. We hear many definitions of the yips,
and basically it comes down to where you're expecting, you're
mechanically you're not able to meet your expectations, so it
creates an anxiety and once you're in that situation, it just.
Speaker 13 (53:57):
It just kicks in.
Speaker 18 (53:57):
So for him to overcome that and probably not even
fully yet, we still know that he's liable to miss
from eighteen inches. Still always such a great bass striker,
but he has something that he believes in. Now he's
been able to maybe wrestle that demon away from himself
to where he can literally step in and keep a
(54:19):
clear mind and roll it like he knows that he
that he can.
Speaker 16 (54:24):
We all believe we can.
Speaker 18 (54:25):
I mean I suffered with the Yipps as well, where
I would have never went to anchor and anchoring the
putter still probably putting mediocre at best, maybe there, but
still it's just that it's that one little thing that
has helped him overcome and maybe that has helped him
either mechanically to now meet his expectations better when he's
(54:47):
putting in an event or has pressure on him, and
he's able now to perform right without anxiety. That's the
whole deal. You perform without anxiety, and the lab Hutter
will l A B. Hudder will help you overcome some
of those demons. I'm a big believer in.
Speaker 9 (55:06):
That if you talk to Bill or send him a
text or any any interaction of congratulations or kind of
thoughts on feeling like you're the company and the technology
and everything that you've seen and used and believed in
for so long has been validated at this point Oh.
Speaker 18 (55:27):
Yeah, I mean Bill and I talked pretty regularly, so
he's still you know, he I never know when he
is coming in town, but he's always asked me to
play golf. We we usually always go out and play.
Funny enough, we'll use our La B putters, but we'll
go out and use some old forged irons and some
Persimmon clubs, and he loves to play these hickory sticks.
So usually I'll take my per Simmons and my sixties
(55:49):
irons out and he'll take his hick resticks and we
just go out and we kind of have a blast,
but the La B putter stays in the bag.
Speaker 6 (55:57):
And once again we'll end this episode with the man
and who started it all, Bill Pressey, who as a
kid in mcwan, Wisconsin, in a basement tinkering with clubs.
His grandfather once told him there are four ways to
make money. You can win it, marry it, sell it,
or invent it. As we learned in episode two, Pressey
(56:21):
went from living and working out of his car to
inventing the revealer and the technology behind lie angle and balance,
and he did it in his garage.
Speaker 9 (56:32):
What has been the uptick in business? Can you quantify
for me the difference between where you were in June
to where you are in August, now that Lucas has
gone back to back.
Speaker 23 (56:47):
Yeah, I suppose it's a dicey question. But the next
day broomstick sales for pass shortcutter sales. That's pretty big.
That's a big that's a big big. I don't know
if it's still I haven't seen the recent sales reports.
But just like when Jack won with the response, the
(57:08):
same things happened the LAB. There's no I can't put
numbers out there, but it's off the hook, and I
feel bad for all all of our workers and the
builders are just double time over time, expanding, hiring, training,
to scale up to keep this demand. Thank god we
(57:30):
didn't get a tour win earlier. Thank god, because I
wouldn't have been able to capitalize LAB, we wouldn't have
been able to keep up. If this is what happens
when you win a tournament, thank god it didn't happen earlier.
I mean, it would have been cool, but yeah, that's
(57:51):
the business sense of it. The dangerous thing about business
is you can sell so much you'll put you out
of business. And there's so sort of grow and sustain
growth is uh, you have to be scaled to take
advantage when you when the time does come, and you
don't want that time to come too soon.
Speaker 2 (58:12):
You know.
Speaker 9 (58:12):
Do you get the sense that they're within this story?
There is there is a sense of hope and uh
and and inspiration that people can garner from your story,
you know, Uh, Lucas's story.
Speaker 1 (58:31):
You see what I'm saying, Like.
Speaker 9 (58:33):
Kelly's story, there is something here beyond. There's something at
work far beyond like a putter.
Speaker 23 (58:42):
Yeah, there's.
Speaker 16 (58:44):
I think it comes from within.
Speaker 23 (58:45):
I mean, you're doing your theme right, and you've been
with some pretty big companies before, and you know, there's
something that drives us to do this, and whether it's
resetting our own expectations for what we want in life.
(59:06):
And I had always had a desire to contribute to
the golf, the history of golf. And I was always
a very skilled, you know, persuemon club repairman and refinisher,
and I worked, you know, I learned the old old
clubs and the whole trade. And I always felt that
(59:28):
I had a calling. And I told this to my
friends in high school. I'm fifty almost fifty four, and
I told him I'm going to change the golf industry.
Didn't know how. I didn't know, but I knew way
back then that I was going to have an impact,
But I don't know.
Speaker 16 (59:47):
It wasn't.
Speaker 23 (59:50):
Consciously done or anything like that. It's just it's it's
a drive from within to do something a dream and
to you know, get out from under the machine. And uh,
you know, when you when you wake up in the morning,
(01:00:12):
the scariest thing is is knowing that you can do
what you want to do, but also knowing that you
gotta do what you got to do, because if you
have the ability not to do that, nobody's gonna yell
at you. And you have to make that conscious decision
to work harder and sacrifice everything for years to achieve something.
Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
That you want.
Speaker 23 (01:00:37):
And I think along, I know my goalposts have moved
over the years. When I started off, my expectations are
far lower than where we're at now. Ah for sure.
I mean even in the director forced days, it was
(01:00:57):
just to make a little putter company so I I
could stop teaching full time at Golf Tech and raise
my kid because I was a single parent and so
you only have so much time in the day to
cook clean, you know, get the kid to school and
do all this stuff. And so when you're working forty
to fifty hours a week to pay the mortgage and
(01:01:21):
do all that stuff, I decided right then and there
that I wanted a different life than to work for somebody.
And golf Tech was a great organization. I learned so
much from golf Tech, but the reality was it wasn't mine,
and I wanted something that was mine.
Speaker 14 (01:01:40):
And when I.
Speaker 23 (01:01:42):
Found the opportunity to expose the bullshit of face balance
and toe hang marketing being a golf pro, I saw
that immediately, and I'm like, oh, I'm gonna watch this thing.
I'm going to ride this I'm going to ride this
pony and this revealer into the sunset. And you know,
(01:02:03):
you got to go through a lot of hills and
valleys to get to that sunset. It's a hell of
a ride.
Speaker 9 (01:02:10):
It's sometimes the best story is your own story. And
I gotta feel like, I'm not sure you're ever gonna
stumble upon a better story than your own story.
Speaker 23 (01:02:27):
It's been a long ride, you know, I overcame a lot.
It's hard to talk about.
Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
Put another long fire. Nobody here getting tired settle down,
and sudden in the story here is about to begin,
(01:03:14):
the circles starting to take its shape, seats filled and
the tiredsome landsns escape, and everybody's got some glory, just
wait on to unfold. Everybody's got some story, Just wait
(01:03:35):
un to be too. The place for.
Speaker 9 (01:03:40):
That is here.
Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
All those smiles and all those tears, Let them go.
Put another log on the fire. Nobody hears getting tired,
(01:04:06):
Settle down, and settle in the story hears about to begin.
Tales were told of war and going, lovers lost in
a lifetimes dreams our soul. Maybe you should stop and
(01:04:34):
listen at the wisdom and me. Maybe you should pour
your heart out.
Speaker 9 (01:04:40):
We ain't going the way.
Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
Find your mercy and the sound as the smoke gets
pushed around in your soul. Put another log on the
(01:05:33):
five Nobody hears getting tired, Settle down, and settle in
the story hears about to begin. The story hears about
(01:05:58):
to begin. The story hears about to begin,
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