Big Gipp and KAM in the hour of Chaos

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
But all right, job.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
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Speaker 4 (00:46):
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We like to welcome everyone to the Gangst Chronicles podcast
where Gangst the Rap lives. I'm your host Big Steal

(01:07):
with my guy Man. Today we have a first time
ever only on the Gangst the Chronicles. Only on the
Gangst the Chronicles. When you see Big Gift Cam, I
gotta say West Coast Cam because I don't want them
confusion the dude that used to wear pink, and that's
no dis against him, but they're two totally different guys
and my blood.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (01:30):
And it's about to just get real in the here
today man, because you know eight, I'm gonna talk about
all that ship that you don't like to talk about.

Speaker 5 (01:36):
I ain't talking my ship. I'm just gonna sit here
and listen. So you just want them serve you all
my ship today. I'm explicit today. They don'et slap the
sticker on my mouth today, so I'm quiet. I'm just
here so I can get paid.

Speaker 6 (01:50):
The beautiful it was gonna pinions you about to hear
on this episode, Yeah yeah, yeah, then I.

Speaker 5 (01:55):
Reflect the sticker on this episod saw when you started out.

Speaker 4 (02:01):
I ain't gonna go to too much the conspiracy lane.
But what I do want to talk about though, and
it's something, it's a conversation. It's kind of a continuation
of the conversations we have every day as far as
gangster rap goes, right. I was telling someone the other
day that gangster rap is still the number one genre

(02:21):
in rap music, but with people that have done they
always segment stuff. They start calling the trill, they start
calling the trap in some cases crump, you know because
to me, you know, I I know, we had this debate.
Three six Mafia to me is gangster totally. That was
a gangster rap, you know what. To me, anytime you're
talking about elementary, the streets, poverty, crime, you know, in

(02:44):
some cases even religion, you know that gangster.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
I mean, they were the first one I talked about.
They were the first ones I saw that openly admitted
to using cocaine.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
Yeah. Three six Mafia was some wild boys.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
Man and they was in the devil and that was
just something that a lot of people wouldn't They didn't
understand during those times.

Speaker 4 (03:06):
So you think three six months he was in Satanism, nigga,
I thought, hey, he called three six months broke. But
that don't mean when the life, stay at home practice
and Satanism. But let's talk.

Speaker 5 (03:17):
We can open open up, yeah, exactly identify who's whose
satan is? Yeah, but why yeah, why would you think
somebody would even call themselves see sixers?

Speaker 4 (03:25):
Well to a rou's attention, you know, thats attention, you know,
because you.

Speaker 6 (03:30):
Know it's it's it's homies in the hood called themself devil,
little devil, o Gie devil devil like they pushed they
pushed that. Yeah, but I'll be thinking when niggas I
got a little devil devil devil from really is like
from the hood and Elm Street.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
It was like that they were probably here. It's like
one of them niggas really from the setting from At
the same.

Speaker 7 (03:49):
Time there's a family from Okay. So it's crazy, but
like you know, but.

Speaker 5 (03:54):
He's recognized, don't go there, gods from and the Little
Jesus is from the hood.

Speaker 4 (03:59):
Yeah, but you know what I've been thinking.

Speaker 7 (04:02):
I think that be you know, all the same poverty
floy of making other people fear and respect like that.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
I'll be so violent, nigga, I'm saving like because.

Speaker 5 (04:13):
That's a good question though, cam not to cut you off.
Why Why because other other other communities, the communities outside
of La they recognized with the God God him. See,
I'm from the so and so is the God. We

(04:34):
never got on that.

Speaker 6 (04:34):
Why because we was the worst of the worst, meaning
like once the rebellious slaves, because it's all come down
to slavery, most unruly and rebellious slaves got drove westward.
You know what I'm saying, So like yip, like you
got some some Nat turners, you got some people that
stayed on in the South, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
But then you got those ones that that had to
flee on the screw. Yeah, all the extra screw that
wasn't wise is gip. You know what I'm saying here.

Speaker 6 (05:04):
Yeah, so we got drove all the way to the west,
and as far west as you can go is California
can't go into the ocean, right, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
So, so we was the most rebellious and unruly.

Speaker 6 (05:15):
And that's why West Coast gang banging, doe pimping and
all of that is most influential because we the most
rebellious of the ones that that migrated.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (05:26):
The ones that stayed like I said, they stayed like
like like I said, ghipp and goodie mob outcast.

Speaker 3 (05:32):

Speaker 6 (05:33):
You know what I'm saying, U GK like you know
what I'm saying. So we all from the South, we
all had to define. Yeah, every nigga came from the
South came.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
Here stayed or you flee.

Speaker 7 (05:42):
Yeah, I'm saying they first the first place in Chicago, right,
Philadelphia and Plymouth Rock and all that.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
Ye.

Speaker 5 (05:49):
Yeah, my peoples from Guffport, Mississippi, and three came west
the rest state planet roots in the South. That's how
I ended up in.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
Uh crazy nigga to go there far west. Yeah. Long.

Speaker 5 (06:08):
And it was three females that came. It wasn't no,
there wasn't no uncles or nothing. Three females came west,
my mom and my two aunties and then they went
to Banning High School.

Speaker 4 (06:20):
Yeah, nowhere they came.

Speaker 5 (06:26):
And I think that's because we already had family here,
like we had a couple of second third cousins here.
So when moms and them was like, man, I'm getting
the funk up out of guff Port, you know. And
it's probably because you know, in that time, you know,
the forties fifties, it was hell.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
It was like if opportunity there probably wasny is the
head up with the slave master, like like you ever
kind of white president exactly, So.

Speaker 6 (06:54):
It was understood like nigger and cracker, like you know
what I'm saying, And Okay, we ain't gonna really make
and I respect that to this day, Like that's why
I respect Trump more than Biden and s like, tell
me what it really is.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
I can I can understand that exactly. You know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (07:09):
I don't want to mix with y'all, and y'all don't
want to mix with Okay, respect our territory like they
like you. With you, we can do business that's.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
Up North style to ask like your friends.

Speaker 5 (07:24):
It's just because, like I said, it's crazy that we've
never as artists. We're in the hood Likena be God
Low Nigga, young Godga Caul.

Speaker 7 (07:37):
When God died, I still thought I was crazy. And
it was about a g It was a mix of
Hancho gangster turtle then raising a kid in the community,
you know, being taken on a little hommy. And I
remember I was explaining to steal the movie, like, but
you can't call the nigga God.

Speaker 4 (07:56):
Another nigga.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
We call that, but it's not to do it.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
But in every neighborhood, we have someone that almost holds
a god like mystique. It's always the one tough guy
in the neighborhood. They just kind of just run stuff.
We normal. They got him in every neighborhood.

Speaker 5 (08:14):
But that's that's something that really we didn't do that.
We didn't Yeah, yah, y'all didn't do that. We didn't
do the leader and the one.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
I see it off there in l A. No, that
don't mean nobody outside of that hood and scared them.
I'm talking about that on the clock.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
But it's not really like that. It's it's.

Speaker 7 (08:35):
The thing they make California like there is like Jay
Prince is like that.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Certain places it probably if you the nigga, you probably.

Speaker 7 (08:45):
Gonna meet the fucked up the minds, you know what
I mean, like you want because it's always a nigga
that don't matter.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
That's I think if people fear.

Speaker 5 (08:51):
You, picking give a fuck him out who nigga jack
you too?

Speaker 4 (08:57):
I really think fear if you if you really scared
of somebody, if you didn't notice people that people feared,
met the early demands most of the time, more often
than not on the West, most of the time. I
said in songs, a scary nigga, kill you fast.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
That's the whole game.

Speaker 6 (09:14):
I mean, not no disrespect, but my large majority of
gang banging is you know, homie little dudes that click
up because they still just stand on their manhood, standing
on their own test. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
I didn't realize that though. Like growing up, I didn't.

Speaker 7 (09:31):
I didn't really want to be from the set, like
I didn't really want to because you remember like that.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
Well you didn't want to bang this. You was always
gonna be dumbis exactly. But I didn't want to be.

Speaker 7 (09:41):
I didn't really think I would be good at it
because it kind of seemed like it was like a
bunch of people drinking and smoking and losing a wit
to do stuff. So I know for sure, even at
twelve thirteen, I wasn't gonna drink and smoke it never.

Speaker 6 (09:55):
But that wasn't about it like you you realized later
that said, I've said, all of this is what your
homies right, they chilling.

Speaker 7 (10:04):
You don't really see him active all the time, see
him chilling the way they was chilling.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
I didn't want to chill them, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
It was different for me, like uh, in Atlanta, we
didn't really have games like I didn't.

Speaker 4 (10:16):
I didn't run into the gang coaches.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
I got to Colorado, my brother, my cousin and all
my cousins. They was like when I got to Denver,
it was like thirteen twelve thirteen. I just started watching
my cousin get up. He started pressing his dickies and
ship and I was like.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
What did somebody? Somebody migrated. They really banged down. I
got a niggas didn't come right now, what's crazy?

Speaker 3 (10:44):
And you know talk to the Yeah it's up there. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (10:50):
A lot of hardship was migrating from Cali. When you
start getting places like the San Antonio's and the Denver's
and went.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Up worse and went up worse. Devil, I'm gonna.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
Tell you those guys because they got crips, some bloods
in Cleveland. And I would almost venture to say that
the crips some bloods in Cleveland places like Detroit, they
almost might be a little bit worse now than.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
The ones in But that's because they at the beginning
of what it is.

Speaker 6 (11:23):
If they want to match when you first you strike it,
when the first strike is gonna.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
It's gonna go up, then it's gonna level out.

Speaker 7 (11:29):
That's like for y'all in the eighties, like y'all seeing
game bang and way worse than I seen.

Speaker 5 (11:35):
Kid said, niggas. It was bad I saw in the
in the eighties seventies for me, fucking like fucking eighty
four eighty three, that was man, that ship, pet Trastius,
Let me ask your question. I'm talking about going to school,
standing on the bus stop, Niggas pulling up, nigga boling
our heat. Nigg I'm twelve years old. Where the fuck

(11:58):
you's from?

Speaker 7 (12:00):
It was kid was kids, But you change from fighting shooting.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
This is something I never asked.

Speaker 7 (12:05):
I wanted to ask still if it's okay, Hey, you
gone the right wise right?

Speaker 3 (12:11):
Did y'all really know about when the sisters and nature?

Speaker 7 (12:14):
Was that a conversation amongst your age group or was
that still kind of like a sectional conversation over there?

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Yeah? That was sectional.

Speaker 4 (12:22):
Do you remember the first time I didn't come outside
the compton even, No, I didn't come outside the hood.

Speaker 7 (12:28):
So do you remember when when? When when Crip started beefing?
Do you remember when that first time happened? That's a question,
so I could point it like right, as far as I.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
Could remember, we was always beefing with ye.

Speaker 5 (12:44):
Like, yes, I said, I never came from the time
I started claiming the neighborhood, track News and Nutty Blocks
as long as I can remember, as long as I
could remember all the blocks in South Sound, as long
as I could remember. I'm not sure, so I don't
was it was. It was just in the neighborhood. It
was like, we know who our enemies are. Like I said,

(13:06):
from the time I came from elementary school to start
claiming in thirteen years old, the mission statement was, we
don't like them. We don't like them, and we don't
like them nigga. I could be cool with them them.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
It might be another blood hood like I'm cool with,
but we don't get along with them for sure. Them
and them rules gonna see you or you're gonna see
them and it's gonna be on on site.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
Hey does the does the beef that stays with between
two hoods? Is it because of they killed the wrong
dude or because you know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (13:43):
Because it's like some of the like some of our
beef started from, Like we used to hang out in
other niggas hoods. We had a partnerships really whatever you
get social, we partnered up with you know, we was
cool with the Poe, We was cool with the front hoods.
So that was our click. Now if we happen to

(14:05):
be in somebody else hood and they enemy come through,
they gonna dump. They not asking, Oh hold up before
we start shooting. Where you from? Oh you from so
and so? Watch out you from it? We want him.
They didn't do that, nigga. We're just coming through on
one of those nights, and a lot of our ships

(14:28):
started because, like I said, we we co mingled with
other neighborhood. We might be having a picnic today in
the other neighborhood. They enemy coming through, they dumping on everybody.
We get caught. Now our beef is their beef too.
That's how I go because I don't want straight too
far from want straight too far?

Speaker 3 (14:50):
Would you remember when the gracious and the PJ shit
first have them?

Speaker 6 (14:54):
Well, like I said, from my point of view, and
I you know, I gotta keep it because on some
blacks stuff, my thing is always really lynched the real
enemy behind it, you know what I'm saying. Trying not
to stay on the branches in the.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
Leaves of of the you know the effects.

Speaker 6 (15:10):
Yeah, I try to stay on the cause the foundation
of what y'all saying is absolutely correct. But really it's
some it's a greater it's a it's a it's a
cointeil pro thing like all.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
Some some of our.

Speaker 6 (15:29):
Most active riders was INFORMEDT was was working for them, folks.

Speaker 3 (15:34):

Speaker 6 (15:35):
If y'all know anything about the Black Panthers, the Nation
of Is Flying, any any organization you had Asian provocateurs
that was that was flipped, that was turned, And these
niggas be the riders, They be the hitter, the sliders,
you know what I'm saying, even you see it out
outright today.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
The snitches is the is the niggas that.

Speaker 6 (15:54):
So how you go, how you gonna you know, d Peter,
this nigga the gun from y'all hood like, but he'll
snitched like you can't tell him that niggas is scared
of the you know what I'm saying. So this was
all the way back in the late seventies and the
eighties or whatever.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
We're gang banging.

Speaker 6 (16:09):
So I tried not to get on it, mentioning hoods
and all of that. But you know that's what Gangs
the Chronicles is about. But my take is the real gangster,
the real endemy.

Speaker 3 (16:20):

Speaker 4 (16:21):
Exactly. Rap music had a profound effect on every community
across the nation, across the country. I don't care here
to New York, right, And I would be remiss to say, man,
that between the dope the dope trade, you know, between

(16:43):
I like to call it, you know, the when the
West Coast started important them good prices, you know, and
sharing them good prices across the country.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
Right.

Speaker 4 (16:51):
They came with a certain attitude and it was different,
you know what I'm saying. So some of it stuck.
Most plays most places are stuck, right, You got to
think about it. The Crips and Bloods came to Cleveland eighty.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
Eight, eighty nine.

Speaker 4 (17:03):
That yeah, that that lake Dog. It came with a dope,
you know, dope because they were selling crack before that.
I remember hearing the little rumors about crack in like
eighty six, but eighty five, but I was too young
to even though what that was. I know it was
people starting it really get on sliging stuff. Yeah, And
it wasn't around like it was. They wasn't full on

(17:24):
hitting the pipe. It came in the form of a
primo first. That's why it's almost like it was planet
the way they just but but if you look back
on it, it's like everybody started on it. Because my
brother thanked God that he cleaning down and everything. But
when he started, he was just a regular dude.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
The smoke weed right.

Speaker 4 (17:42):
They was partying and one night they were sitting at
the lake and it was the fourth of July. He
said he never will forget it. He said that he
felt like that's when his whole life changed. He said
they were sitting there looking fireworks and he said, it's
home boy, somebody trust she do said, man, try this,
it's gonna make this feel better. When he put when
he hit that man with that primo with the rocks

(18:03):
in there, dude, he said it was like an explosions.
He said, man, I had he said, he said, I
had an orgasthm in my brain. I said, no, they.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
Say it was great.

Speaker 7 (18:13):
I want to ask you a question. But plug and
knowing him, so my older humies told me, like, you
know that it was just the thing, and you just
tried it right, just like the thing, And he said
he tried it right. They tried to. He was like, man,
it was too crazy. I ain't even messing with this
no more. But then certain people couldn't get.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
Away from it.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
They couldn't because we all geared, man, an attic, don't
just become an attict. Bro when he tried to think
the first time, he's already an addict. But it hasn't
been activated.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
Ship.

Speaker 7 (18:40):
This is the thought I was gonna say that to
your point with gangster, this is a good question for
all of y'all. Do you remember the first time you
heard about the interap song crack? Yeahs paid for y'all?
Remember the first time you heard it?

Speaker 4 (18:56):
Man, I think it might have been you know what
this was between two t and and Carris, one of
the girl he's all free, but the crack costs money.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
Oh yeah, the first time you heard about it in
the rep.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
I just thought that was powerful, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (19:10):
Like that, You remember he was like, can what are
they talking?

Speaker 4 (19:15):
Probably? Yeah, probably Quo.

Speaker 5 (19:20):
Todd and Spade had all of us sold up with
with with drug tails.

Speaker 6 (19:25):
And we wasn't even calling it crack. That was the
white man turned for It was rocks. Yeah, it was
it was rock. It was rotten. White people called the crack.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
And they always come up with these two.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
Right, like against the real turned against red. Then we
just start saying the same thing because Todd didn't want
to saying they were saying rock that was like corny,
like it was the white people whe rock man, rock man,
and and yeah.

Speaker 6 (19:52):
White people call it crack because they heard a slang
they heard like spade and tidy t saying like like
crack was like a piece of like you you cracked
a little piece off the rock. And then when they
called call it cracked, we never noticed when they hear
you hear a little crack on like like embers burning,

(20:12):
you feel what I'm.

Speaker 4 (20:13):
Saying, definitely sound like it be crackling because that was
being close well, and I was hearing practice from from
us and cracking me off a little piece of that
rock like crack, like crack a little like you cracked
the rock.

Speaker 5 (20:26):
Yeah, the dope term was what we were slanging. We
were slanging sweat was slanging lock.

Speaker 4 (20:33):
If you had a fifty piece, we had a boulder,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (20:37):
We had a fifty piece, we had to double up
what was called the double up spend fifty make you
about a hundred back.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
Yeah, we was doing that all day in the neighborhood.

Speaker 7 (20:45):
I was temp them stories itself so yeah, So so
the first record is the Chris record. Yeah, and that
record is tear Spain.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
I know that.

Speaker 7 (20:54):
Yeah, that record, that's that's crazy. So everybody got introduced
to it, the different records.

Speaker 5 (20:59):
Yeah, everybody got introduced to Yeah, because we wasn't mean
the coat, the cocaine was that was the white people thing.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
It wasn't. Yeah, we were.

Speaker 4 (21:11):
Let me tell you this, not to cut you off,
but do you remember at one time snorting coke with
some baller ship they was that was the white people
baller shit, you know, because I think you know.

Speaker 5 (21:19):
And why they really didn't press it hard when it
was just the white people snorting in the clubs and
all that ship.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
Because nobody could afford it. And and really you had
a few people that was cleaning, they safe out and
that stuff. But it wasn't really rise big because my
daddy showed me a ring, my pops, he showed me.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
A ring that he had. They had a little secret
compartment and that was like the.

Speaker 5 (21:38):
Players you know in the club, big dog you know, yeah,
the big dog. Yeah, then you take the little a
little broad head and put it up to her doll
to get her little head and then kissed the ring.
What happened was we got it. They introduced it to

(22:00):
us and the gang and niggas started getting rich and
just niggas, And that's when they started coming down hard.
Because when it was just the white people in the
club in the studio fifty fours and shit was cracking.
Everybody was doing it.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
You're all the stories. You never heard nobody getting all
his time for selling no door.

Speaker 5 (22:18):
They didn't trip off of that ship. Soon this niggas
started naked money.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
Boy, gee, I'm gonna tell you the difference between that.
Contrary to popular belief, most of those people were based
in other countries. They had people over the deal work,
like you had Roselle the Blanco over here that was
doing her thing and whatever. You had whoever else down there.
But most part Pablo was over there. Papla was doing
with hell he wanted to. He owned the gup and
he built his own jail and everything. So yeah, couldn't

(22:45):
nobody get to him. But he you know, his u
brisk was the cause of his demise though, you know,
he was just if he'd have just did that little
time in next jail he built, he probably became president
of that motherfucker and just chill.

Speaker 6 (22:55):
He didn't have to he about science though, like oh
so so no, no disrespect.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
Niggas ain't scientists and we ain't eve important.

Speaker 6 (23:03):
Like so so so so Rocks.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
Rocks is way more addictive Rochester.

Speaker 6 (23:13):
Rocks is way According to users, Rocks is way affect
you way more than powder, like like Nigga's gonna destroy
their life trying to get that same feeling, that that
orgasm whatever, that extra bomb feeling of rocks.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
That that don't you don't get that from powder.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
Oh no, powder don't geek. Powder is a whole different
high I believe. So who was the scientist talk powder?
By accident?

Speaker 3 (23:36):
One time?

Speaker 4 (23:37):
And I was pissed off? Listen to me and I
tried to no listen to me.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
Listen.

Speaker 4 (23:49):
You know she hadn't started smoking weed till I was
in my fifties. You ain't never know me to smoke
no whed prior to I did. I didn't notice you
to smoke ship until I start hanging around. You're not
being a back to show. Start going stick over here?

Speaker 3 (24:04):
Yeah because what no?

Speaker 4 (24:06):
Because what it was, bro I found a remedy for
my need, right, you know, I write his football entries right,
So I found something that was a cool alternative that
didn't feel like I was constipated and that and see,
I'm gonna tell you this, bro, and I'm being one hundred.
At one time, my doctor was giving me a nine
day supply of Viking. Come on my shoulder, it's just time.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
Come on.

Speaker 4 (24:33):
Well, I had a cousin. I ain't gonna put his name. No,
I'm not gonna do that. No it's not okay, No,
it's not a fool.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
Still right.

Speaker 4 (24:46):
He was the one that was known for really getting
down like this nigga. When we was thirteen, he was
taking fifths of a wild hours rolls for the head and the
gonna play football and get busy. So he had some
leaed one day and I was trying.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
To be cool.

Speaker 4 (24:59):
We were saying and that was some brogs and I
remember they was playing this Shuve rock song. Were in
the projects, Yeah, we we, we were in the projects.
And he said and he said, gone hit the joint.
So I hit.

Speaker 6 (25:12):
It, Oh, Primo, So you got it?

Speaker 4 (25:15):
And I'm trying. No, it wasn't rocks. It wasn't like
you know, it was powdered. No, that free base explaining
to real quick. Freebasing is when you got the powder.
If they're doing the same thing, that rocks, but it's
a way more expensive fire because you burned up a

(25:37):
lot of cocaine, you burning up a lot of dope.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
Right.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
So when I tried it, I didn't really know it.
Actually I didn't even know, Like I didn't know how
to smoke weed back then. I was just like this
got me. I was on my way home and I
just felt like a numbness come over my whole face.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
And it's like my face was froze.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
Man.

Speaker 4 (25:59):
I didn't like it, bro because I wouldn't gotta remember
I wasn't I wasn't used to get. I wasn't used
to get because I didn't get high. But I was
just like Crump. Was just like Crump.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
Just imagine, just imagine you can't.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
Feel your face, man, and you just up. I stayed
up for like two days and I didn't.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
Care what was wrong with me?

Speaker 4 (26:23):
I said, And wasn't nowhere near going to sleep. And
I asked him. I said, man, I don't want to
smoke no more. He said, nigga, that was that powder.
I wanted to but big dogs because.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
I was mad.

Speaker 4 (26:41):
I was upset because to me, that was like being
a smoker back then, and I didn't you know. I
was like, sure, I was an athlete. I had to
test the drugs because it was embarrassing. How do you feel.

Speaker 7 (26:52):
About people blaming rather hip hop for spreading the messages?

Speaker 4 (26:58):
Well, hip hop asked, being like, like, let me be
real right here, I'm gonna say something that's real and
it's gonna sound hypocritical as hell. I really believe that
hip hop definitely played the part. And I don't think
it's our fault, right, we was telling the story right.
But gangsterism is intriguing. Bro selling dope as hell of intriguing.

(27:20):
I never felt more alive than when I sold dope.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
Dog.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
To be honest with you, and I'm just and I'm
just because I'm.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
Serious and it was game. I'm talking about me.

Speaker 4 (27:32):
I was a fog as I am now, man, I was,
I was young, dog, I was a baby.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
You had them bills in your pockets fold.

Speaker 4 (27:39):
Up, and it's like and it's just quick because you
go from and it's not like I was getting like
fifty sixty sevut there five hundred. I just remember I
went from a dude trying to borrow two dollars from
the hommie in the locker room. Now I got thirty
five hundred in my pocket, man, just like that quick,

(28:00):
and I'm going to Tommy Berger and I'm the nigga
that the thing right, And le Bron is looking at
me like I'm the ball.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
You know what I'm saying, Tap into your man.

Speaker 4 (28:15):
Like, nigga, I got money.

Speaker 5 (28:18):
I can buy these bitches of a couple of value facts.

Speaker 7 (28:22):
Again, you know what I mean, like that little chili
cheese frog for everybody?

Speaker 4 (28:27):
Was you?

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Were you successful?

Speaker 4 (28:30):
I don't know if you can be successful in that
trade because I think about it now and it's one
of my life's biggest regrets because I think about her
now as a grown man. I think about some of
the people I encountered when I was doing that, because
contrary with people say people always, you had different people,
Like I had homies that would beat the smokers up.
I would never liked that though, because they you got

(28:50):
a lot of all smoker wasn't just raggedy people, it'd
be people. But I saw them deteriorating that. I remember
there was this girl she used to just coming. She
was older, but she used to just come just on weekends,
on like Friday, and she was like, hey, you got this,
and she would get it. She would be with her
little friends. And I saw go one. I saw Finby
driving her car. That's when I knew she was gone.

Speaker 5 (29:18):
Some cluck calls down, bro, and she can't DUBU till
tomorrow and she can't one day dog, and you know,
the hair started getting telled and stuff, and she got
a little shake and she was trying to keep her
composure because we used to have conversations and I said,
I said you already.

Speaker 4 (29:38):
She was like that minute society burger and we asked you,
she got you. I feel contempt at my heart for her.
And that's when I realized, Man, I don't think I
had the conscious to be a good I could have been,
because the thing is, you don't have to have no
hell of traits.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
To be no conscious, but you don't have to have
a conscious.

Speaker 4 (29:58):
Dog. We come with a thing. You have to be
a heartless dude. Because I would see homies. Man, I
would see homies. I'm gonna tell you that I've seen
some dudes do some cold ship.

Speaker 7 (30:09):
No, no, listen, before I get to that, did you
ever make a rabbit boy selling dope?

Speaker 4 (30:16):
Oh yeah you did.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
What was your best rabbit bou selling dope? What was
your best rabba by selling dope? That you remember?

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Ship?

Speaker 3 (30:25):
Man?

Speaker 4 (30:25):
It was so many of them. See, I was more
over the reality of a dog.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
I wasn't like no nigga. See every rapper, you hear.

Speaker 4 (30:33):
Everybody, everybody wouldn't selling no four thirty forty keys.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
Dog.

Speaker 4 (30:36):
I never made the past the motherfucker zone.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
You know. He was one of those You was just
getting that money.

Speaker 5 (30:43):
I'm just a normal functional drug dealer. I just need
to get what I need to get for to day.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
And I don't even know if I had no interest,
because you got to think about it. I was a dude.
Was just supplementing my income because I wasn't out there
to be doing that ship. I was out there just
caught up in the wrong. Get you get you, You
see what I'm saying, Because you get some money, you
want to get some money. And my stuff was survival.
I didn't come from a background to where other niggas
in the apartment had parents send them one thousand dollars

(31:10):
a month or whatever. Man, I was lucky if I
got fifty dollars through Western Union. You, my people just
didn't have it, so I ain't even ask.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
I just knew.

Speaker 4 (31:17):
I said, I'm a thuget out here and eat these
rhyma noodles and hommies rock. Because my first hustle was weed.
I would get red hair says for forty dollars an ounce,
forty dollars an ounce. I would bag that shit up
dog and I'm gonna tell you ain't nothing like that
Reggie dog. Because it was an apartment for the long
beats for twenty five dollars, man, and they.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
Would come over.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
I got this deal for you for when I was
taking money, But then what happened with that? I had
roommates to smoke weed, so they started stealing my shit,
and so I was whooping them niggas, asked everything. And
then that money is a little bit slower because yeah,
I'm gonna make a couple hundred dollars on a weekend.
But it's you gotta think about it. Dudes on the
team that drove I'm talking about kill it out. We

(32:05):
was them trucks. They used to el caminos. They had
el caminos. Sam Rici's zokies with the beat. I started
looking at that. I said, man, I had I'm out here,
I'm sad to sell a whole bunch of reading your
syls do something like that. And then your boy fined me.
But fine B said, you know far because that's why

(32:26):
I talked, Cuz.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
You a big nigga. Ain't nobody gonna fuck with us?
You know? Because Fami was kind of spoke and fire b.
C far Be is a warmonger and.

Speaker 7 (32:35):
He got at you like how dash like how the
nigga got that dash on? I don't like to dream
about getting paid.

Speaker 4 (32:41):
And he was like, mann't nobody's fucking with us? We
go go take this corner. So me and Farnby really
went to go take Ohio and Ana hind I'm talking
about from some niggas that was older than us. Now
we didn't have to do much. Farre beas coached me up.
He said, still big, he said, still don't be smiling
and just staying out there and just goon and that
nigga And I was it up on the corner that
nigga came out there. You could tell they was coming

(33:03):
and they watched it come to the corner and look
and then Pete and then I did like this, you know,
finly gave him a strap. Let them know, like like
like I'm holding right down to it. Next thing, next thing,
you know, I had the homie other homie out there.
It's about three of us, so finally put homie in
one corner right here. Then at the end, a little

(33:23):
system Warren get you.

Speaker 5 (33:29):
Some dudes get in the game because they want to
make fast money or the imagery or whatever. That was
just the aspect, like I just need to get some bread.

Speaker 4 (33:37):
Man. I was hungry, dog. I didn't have no money.
I'm trying to go to school. That's why most people.
I was hungry, and it wasn't about greens there, and
I wanted to eat dog.

Speaker 6 (33:46):
Yeah, I want I want to know, like on this side,
like how you know what was what was the introduction
of I guess frankle Rocks. You know what I'm saying,
Like who was the first person or people that you
see that. It's just the same that dividus niggas making
money like this.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
It's always been there. It's always been there. It's just
that in the South it stayed in the dope man
hands longer than it did everywhere else. See it stayed
in the grown people hands, like they didn't give it
the kids that like everybody else was probably balling in
New York, it was like here, you know, it's still

(34:25):
had them old men in the neighborhood like nah.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
You can't do certain things.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
So that's where it didn't really get off the chain
for us selling crack to after like mere eighties, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
So really I'm looking at the Miami niggas.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Was really what had this shit on our thing? It
was Miami started out like ten nine. They knew what
crack was way before Georgia, did you know, Like, so
Miami was fast. Yeah, they had to work. They was coming.
They were taking over George. They took over every project

(34:58):
back then. They took every project.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
That's kind of how they did in Cleveland. Man. But
it wasn't a hostile takeover, was it.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
No, Because at the same time project money. Yeah, everybody
in the project eating. And we also had the influx
of la at that time. See I know yellow ice
from from Compton, Like yellow.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
Ice been here since the eighties, like it's.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
Been shoreline crips been here since the eighties, you know
what I mean. So it's it's Crip's been here and
and Blood's been here. But they moved with they certain
Atlanta dude and they got money. They didn't they didn't
bring the hood. They just say yeah. They they came
in like ice team, Like I'm here as an la
nigga talked to me.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (35:43):
That's probably why the banging never got bad here, because
them dudes came out here with money.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
Nah.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
They would just come out here and late, they would
come out here to the West Side and they're laying
the project and they just la and we respect that.
But at the same time, it was so much money
the actual banging thing. It was about money more what
they was about banging.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
Yeah, you don't come away out here though, bang. You
come here to get some money.

Speaker 4 (36:05):
So that's what everybody was on.

Speaker 7 (36:07):
We always had that conversation, like I know, like in
summer vacation, that's the conversation.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
It's like a hostile takeover.

Speaker 7 (36:13):
But I would imagine most of the things that happened
wasn't really hostile. You come to somebody with an opportunity
for them, especially in Atlanta or Georgia, probably in the
eighties when the property was still like Georgia, I remember Atlanta.
I remember somebody was like, when I got something that's
gonna get you five hundred a day, that's life altering money,

(36:33):
so you ain't got to fight.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
Nobody was like all ten of us because Georgia tech
was really tech Wood.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
That was the project, that whole all the way.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
From the middle of downtown all the way back to
this side, that was the project.

Speaker 4 (36:48):
So you talk about tech Wood, that's interesting. I've been
watching the BMF, you know, the whole little meets Ning
with his son and everything, and they mentioned tech Wood
in there.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Because tech Wood was like four cities inside of one place.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
For it was like for Atlanta's, but it was all project.

Speaker 4 (37:06):
Was there really one dude from Atlanta to try to
hold them dudes out for the longest, Yeah, because they
said it was.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
It was a dude named Terry White used to run that.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
That's probably who they talking about.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
That's one of to do. He was even the first.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
He was the first dope.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
But that they caught in Atlanta that had a million
dollars in the wall like he he had been doing.

Speaker 4 (37:23):
You know, you know what he was real man. Back
at home, my cousin j T, you know, j T
was j T was a ball like like my cousin,
so he really got busy. But I knew enough real
drug dealers all that. Like you know, no, this ain't
no distant ross. But you know we talked about all

(37:44):
the stuff he do. How new dudes that really was balling.
They didn't carry theyself like that.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
They was very low key.

Speaker 5 (37:55):
Who was walking around their motherfucking work suits and ship
driving bucket pull.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
Up at the crib.

Speaker 5 (38:03):
Nigga got the cleanest low wider in the garage and
all kind of ship.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
But when you see that nigga on the street, you'll
be like this niggas thinking about me and Jay and
all them. I don't That's.

Speaker 5 (38:16):
I think niggas got the game fucked up because because
of hip hop, hip popp is black flamboyant jip Poppas
is in your face.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
You know, look at me, look at my chains, look
at my shoes. Streets is like that l A Streets.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
That's what I learned when I got to l A
the first time we got to l A Street, I just.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Want to see somebody in the two extra.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
He probably figured coping.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
Up to my son.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
He got those rules from Mike Casseiff Jonah. As soon
as we got to l A, they brought us to
Mike casseff Jong house and he told us the rule,
no jewelry, no colors, and stay with stay with Scottie Spencer.

Speaker 4 (38:58):
That was That was the three things he told us.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Yeah, your school never had a problem, got to spend
some Scotty moved us around l A like we went everywhere.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
And you y'all still got that past the day in
that way because l A love goodie man, that ain't
even a past. That ain't a past. Nigga citizen.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
Like you would like the citizen.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
Yeah, like you was citizen. Give us. I'm part of im,
part of I'm part of all.

Speaker 5 (39:25):
As soon as you jump off the plane, boat or whatever,
nigga's gonna stick you up.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
Niggas. And but he look like you got some money.
We just want some if you.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
I mean the flash the flashes, l A, dude, that
I meant back then, ship Mac ten Mac Tim he
was flashy l A out here, hear him because coming
out here, you know, he was coming out here doing
the t B thing.

Speaker 4 (39:50):
So I knew about that. My nigga, nigga, my nigga,
my nigga, Mac you know he was doing something I
think about I think they was out there doing something.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
Who knows whatever.

Speaker 5 (40:02):
Nigga, my nigga Mac, he gonna pull up today in
the rolls, they're gonna jump out that motherfucking tomorrow he
gonna pull up to the same spot in the and
then the next day he's gonna pull up to the
same spot in the jag or he on the Harley.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
You know, he didn't.

Speaker 6 (40:18):
Know, man, never know that you could like you can't
do that in there. Like so like we're gonna carry
the l A. We're gonna think that niggas is just
as it is dangerous, you know, wherever you go as
as you niggas in l A, I'm not gonna try.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
To do it.

Speaker 7 (40:32):
So where you So Mac wasn't socializing where it was
a bunch of poor people that okay, in the city,
Mac is gonna were gonna see that the lake when
everybody used to go to lake with them. But it's
a lot of rich you know people that there definitely
you know, you talk about some money, so you know
what I mean, it's different if he if you the

(40:53):
first he did the boulevard was deal. That was the
first person I saw.

Speaker 6 (40:58):
Do that something t like so mac he had to
already have done some Reconnaissanse of Scout, and he did
his homework to know.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
Where he could do that or not do that at
because I can't. I can't.

Speaker 6 (41:09):
I wouldn't try to do that nowhere. No, like just
for where we're from, like I just know what that.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
Now we had I heart in the middle of Atlanta,
and I'm not finna come up here. I know.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
I ain't gonna tell you the ice tea was the
only one I saw like that when I first hear La,
like the first person I saw on sunset in the
drop Top Point that was just.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
Like that when we didn't go to sunset first.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
Want to tell you he knew where to do everything.

Speaker 6 (41:33):
That's what I'm saying, Like I'm trying to let y'all know,
like that where we just just this gangster chronicles, like
not that it's gang banging, but it's it's it's like
we just we just knew like we we like like
hey said, like niggas doesn't leave their neighborhood, like their
whole life, their whole world, Like he won't even go
to the beach. The beach is eight minutes of work

(41:54):
from anywhere, like like y'all go to the beach, like
no know, Like that's that's the show lines of it
that insane, like say, like where you going exactly? Yes,
so so as far as having money and all that
inflexing and floss and that's like you.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
You you teasing niggas, like you teasing wolves and that.

Speaker 6 (42:15):
But you do it the way we do it, and
then the place you do that is on the bottom. Yeah,
where everybody is doing it.

Speaker 5 (42:23):
I got those rules from from niggas before me. It's
like you, we're not flossy. We're not flossy.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
We don't talk.

Speaker 5 (42:33):
I don't like to be exposed when I'm in the
business of trying to make money illegally.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
Everything was quiet on you one as much quieter.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
Do you think this is a question because I always
asked still this.

Speaker 7 (42:46):
Do you think that mentality kind of made it a
much more challenge for you and cam like in the
business because you like, if you look at art, because
I have the same problem you all have, right everybody.
I knew that I knew about three or four people
with a million dollars personally, but I can't none of
them wore jury. None of them wore nothing. They just
had the money. They had some cars. It's gonna have

(43:07):
like being hommy gonna have the rag. Sixty one got that,
he got the cabriole cut you want. You know, he
had it right, And I helped some of them. Count
Pluck had trade, you know what I mean. And the
Berdman that was a little too new.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
Why are you in this? It's kind of new, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 7 (43:24):
So like the guys, I knew that had the money,
but do you think it made it more of a
challenge coming in hip hop because hip hop is built.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
On that New York premise of flossiness.

Speaker 6 (43:34):
So that's it exactly what A said, like West Coast
do even with scrapping, a beefing or whatever, like we're
not gonna talk about We're not gonna tell you about it.
But hip hop, especially East Coast, basis is talk talk talk.
Everything is the gift the gap and I'm gonna popping.
I'm popping my verbals like la niggas is the opposite
of that, like you're gonna do it? Oh, like oh
he gotta get mad, don't say you know what I'm saying.

(43:57):
It's feeling like surprise nigga. You know, I did an
interview and they was asking Glass show. You know, they
was asked me about dot right.

Speaker 7 (44:03):
You know they know boy, They like yeah, you know
if he got you in it. I said, well, I'm
a dis nigga and get this out shute and well
you don't just keep it hip hop. That is hip
hop here. Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
I think you said disrespectful things about my mother. We're
supposed to pull up.

Speaker 7 (44:20):
I don't know any other way this is supposed to happen. Yeah,
so all that.

Speaker 6 (44:25):
Let me say something in the trio l A hip
hop well.

Speaker 7 (44:29):
For business, business people scared to invest. But but pop
that was the worst thing in the world.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
Biggie and Pop.

Speaker 7 (44:37):
That was the worst thing world to happened to West Coast,
West coast hip for the South because they was like,
we got to go find somebody else.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
These niggas is tripping.

Speaker 5 (44:46):
And it was great for the It was great for
the what I call the sing songy era at in
that era to where they were frightened to deal with
l A niggas because we already had the bad reputation
from the gate gang bangers. You did me that's that

(45:06):
just we saw a lot of people up because of
the fact that niggas was gang bangs.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
I'm saying, so, yeah, you played the rowing and.

Speaker 5 (45:15):
Biggie's death fucked us up because it made the label
dudes go, we don't wanna fuck with them anymore, right,
But then it introduced.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
That that era.

Speaker 5 (45:26):
You know, girl, I love you and hey, let's go
and have let's go, let's.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
Go pop Champagnes and Platinum rolelegs.

Speaker 4 (45:34):
That's how I felt when I seen Q Dude I'm clubbing.

Speaker 5 (45:37):
I'm like, no, exactly, Like it started affecting everybody to
the fact that niggas.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
Like I say, like, yeah, but I seen you sit
during that Era's great.

Speaker 5 (45:49):
No, it wasn't that I didn't want to, but this
ship ain't working. They're afraid of us right now if
you consist that at that time, oh, they didn't want
fuck with us at all. That ship, the labels did
not want to fuck with us at all. Nigga who
portrayed themselves coming from Cali on some neighborhood ship, nigga,

(46:12):
they started killing everything. Death Rock Gone Ruthless couldn't get shipped.
Any nigga who was speaking street Ship when I fucking.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
Game was probably the last one.

Speaker 5 (46:21):
Niggas was nothing each other, you know, party and they
was jewelry cut in and you know there was the
it was the flash era. You know, cash money came out,
was bling bling.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
Each other, was kind of holding the baby. And I
hated that man before death Row like, you know, everybody
used to be the Montros.

Speaker 4 (46:47):
But as as far as we win, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
But when they start going to the Beverly Hills Hotel and.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
All that other stuff, it was like, I never been there.
I ain't never pass with them.

Speaker 4 (47:02):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
He like, ain't come up to the hotel. I like where.
He's like, I'm like what, that's out of town. That's
out of town, you know, like come here, Like, hey,
you're gonna cross. I'm gonna cross one team, talk about it.
Guess come up there.

Speaker 5 (47:16):
I'm like, you got to send a plane. I don't know,
you know, a helicomists. Yeah, I say, young nigga, I
can go nowhere here This question forget?

Speaker 4 (47:27):
Can we getting older?

Speaker 3 (47:29):
Right?

Speaker 4 (47:29):
You know, as long as you live, you get older.
This generation the kids really scared me because I be
studying music, I making my business to know who everybody is,
and you know, study what they're talking about. There seems
to be and I think this all started with Wayne,
you know, with the whole lean movement and you know,
and he picked it up, you know, from the boys
in Texas.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
Right.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
So there's a massive opiate epidemic right now and hip
hop dog and nobody is paying attention to it. What
nobody but but listen, but listen to me. I'm listening
to what these kids are doing. And I counted the references.
You know, remember I was listening to Detroit stuff you used,
like all the music. It's like everything is murder. It's like,

(48:13):
you know, don't get me wrong. We talked about killing
up some shit. You know, I'm talking about the you know,
you know, so you know that, but you can tell
it was more just in a boastfoot way, right like
we're talking about we holding some shit down these kids
right here. Man, it's a sense of authenticity dog to
where it's like I believe these little niggas is doing.

(48:35):
And then you see the stuff that happened with like
the little kid of King Vaughn down here, but that
wasn't really.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Hold I would I would just say this, I would
just say that a lot of them are killers, A
lot of them, A lot of them, A lot of
them are killers.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
Like play with them and you want today are killers?

Speaker 4 (48:54):
You know what I mean. That's what you had to
have on the street here, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
And the labels started paying for that. That's the labels
just start paying for that, you know what I mean.
Once they understood that kids reacted to that, then that's
what they start paying for. Because when you you you
got to understand, like Kodak, that is a pop star.

Speaker 4 (49:18):
That's a gangst rapper. So is it?

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Is it because he wanted to be that? Or they
started giving him records. It might not be the records
he make it, but they started giving him the records. See,
that's the only thing that makes us different than all
the other people. That was probably most successful to us.
We never accepted them people records and their ideas. That's
why I think we lived in the greatest era. We
did it all our own, you know what I mean.

(49:42):
And I think most of these kids now they manufactured
at least five five five of those records are manufactured.
And if the if the fixing, then shid the money playing,
So it don't matter about the rest of the stuff.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
You're talking about, and there's no silence, and there's no
and there's no element of silence to it, and it
makes me think it like, I go back to the
sixties when I think about that, right, I say, damn,
we in the sixties all over again with the heroin
academic because I remember it. I remember growing up in Cleveland.
I can remember back to when I was seven years old.
I would walk to the back of our building and

(50:15):
it was all needles on the ground, a bunch of needles.
And my mama pupped my ass one day as I
went outside with no shoes on, and she saw me
and it was like a panic. She had them saying
those on them them and whooped my ass because you
know it was heroin, you know heroin. It was needles
all up and down the street near needles all in
the gutter and everything else. And I see that right now, man,

(50:36):
And I think about, like how addictive that stuff feels,
and it's almost impossible to get off of it once
you it's really got you, bro, It's hard. It's like
they keep reintroducing the same drugs to us all over
again in our community. But it's always in a different form,
and now they dress it up to where it's fashionable.
Because I remember when UGK and the cast in Texas
was doing it, it was cool. But when Lil Wayne

(50:57):
became a pop star. I told Glasses this, I noticed
an increasing the niggas. They had dreads and here the
niggas walking down the street with styrophone cups, even if
they didn't know what the hell he had. And the
niggas had Hennessy and everything else in there. But it
became almost like a culture within itself. It's like a
drug coature.

Speaker 6 (51:17):
Now, like I heard of the biggest drug culture is
doctor Fauci in there, that f d A.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
We just.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
Well, the Faucy situation right there just should let everybody
know that the drug game is the biggest game in America.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
Trill. You you know, Trill, as long that we not
in on it? Are we in on it?

Speaker 4 (51:42):
Slide a bike and.

Speaker 7 (51:48):
Right, and you niggas got going on and they all
in and they gonna have to worry about the police.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
Get and it's it's a different and it's a difference.
It's a difference. It's like it's like that's why everything
you understand me.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
Yeah, you want to be in mind to Roger, you
better do some coke, bitch. Get that's what's going on,
real talk, that's what's going on. It's even you likeing
frit you.

Speaker 5 (52:12):
Like thet tell you the pop a fucking po right
now and and and sniff something right now.

Speaker 6 (52:19):
So yeah, but when it was really weed back in
the days, I'm saying, was it you remember it?

Speaker 3 (52:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (52:26):
I remember when Purple first first got orange and Purple first.

Speaker 7 (52:31):
Y'all remember the spot they had on NORDR Chronic spot
three for fifty barrel three back when we was.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
We so what?

Speaker 1 (52:42):
So tell me what was that week? Because I remember
the first time we bought some Chronic and it was
them little Christmas trees in the bag.

Speaker 4 (52:50):
We never had anything like that, never had.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
In the beginning. It was done.

Speaker 5 (52:55):
But stress you might have you a little indough maybe
some time. The only ones that really pocket hoods had
the end dog they home me on the ninety six
in Normandy Nail Long Drive Don't fucking Around Man ninety
six and Normandy Nigga I was.

Speaker 4 (53:17):
They had the fire. I ate don't like stuff like this,
but I think we should at least touched on it
because it's news and was crazy that this whole thing
that just happened to dubad dog, that was crazy. No,
that's not a current talk dog. Yeah, while they were
seating them clouds and shouldn't caused the instruction. Yeah, they

(53:40):
was over the Seaton. Did you year about that? They
was over the Seaton?

Speaker 3 (53:42):
Who said that.

Speaker 4 (53:44):
They was over the seating the reporters white people? M hmm,
I'm not saying they was. People said that, so that
wasn't they hold on? The white media rebuked that. They
said they didn't have nothing to do with them seating
the clouds. All had everything to do with them with
them clouds. There were alternative news sources to say that,

(54:08):
and the news try to rebuke it.

Speaker 6 (54:10):
Like I had a real issue with especially us, like
giving white folks to credit like they're the super.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
Scientists god, like they the gods and the weather Like
now all of a.

Speaker 6 (54:18):
Sudden, anything that happened is hard or it's this to
see cloud Like why why Nigga can't say it's the
original man, the black man that's doing that. You know
what I'm saying. Why is the white man got the
power to fuck up the weather and control the weather
and shit, and we giving them God power. But we're
the ones that's on the pyramids, were the ones that
God couldn't make it to the moon, you know what

(54:40):
I'm saying. So why we can't say, like, no, that's
that's black people doing that. That's why people doing that,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
Why So why you think that you know what the clouds?

Speaker 6 (54:51):
I mean, that's a science, but you can't contruct like
how you gotta have clouds to see them?

Speaker 3 (54:56):
Motherfuckers?

Speaker 6 (54:57):
Like if it's not no clouds in Dubai, what you whatever?
You come to the ground. Have you been in the
Baie before? I've been over there, Bro, Do you see
when you go over there and see it, Bro, you
would just know that that's like an anomaly that was very strange.
But this was because the way they weather, of the
way they climb. It was like you would think it
would be the last thing you would have maggined you Rode.

(55:19):
You read the Bible before, right, so it's gonna say
earthquakes and diverse places and weather all kind of shit
right in New York, right.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
So so that's what I'm getting to.

Speaker 6 (55:27):
So I'm saying, So, so somebody seen that ship thousands
of years ago. So do that mean they seen white
people developing the technology to make that happen? Or is
the same people like Heart only got came online in
nineteen ninety eight or some shit ninety three or some shit.
So what what was what was causing all this shit
before Heart?

Speaker 4 (55:47):
You know what I think, man, and I'm being honest
with you. I think that we get access to certain
technology that we steal and we try to and we
we we you know, other people.

Speaker 8 (56:00):
I'm trying always, I'm always I'm always sitting that there,
you know American.

Speaker 4 (56:11):
But you know, because I'm talking about it, right, I
think they messing with stuff they have no clue on.
You feel what I'm saying. It's like a little four
year old coming in there finding your ev YO three
and now he got it, and everybody in the room
go get killed because he as soon as he pulled
that thing to get the bad and every Mike's gonna
be dead.

Speaker 7 (56:28):
You know what I'm saying to me, I have zero favorite.
I'm probably the greatest syneg in the way. I don't
think they went to the moon yet because they would
have went back. I've been watching that. Uh, the boy,
the white man in South Africa, all that money, he
ain't got to the moon.

Speaker 4 (56:43):
Still, you know what, I think it's a lot of
hoax out there. I also think it's a lot of
stuff that's that's definitely real too. Like and with the
thing I don't see, I think that's just that's just
a very small symptom. Whatever it was, it was out
of control.

Speaker 6 (57:00):
Because they be able to do that level.

Speaker 4 (57:05):
Because do you know how much? And I'm gonna tell
you something, and this all coincide with something else too,
I think it's a bigger player at hand. America just
pulled the most games to move every dog. And they
pretty much told TikTok, y'all gotta sell his mother, y'all
get the fuck out the country.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
I mean that ain't really gangs of China, but doing
it to this motherfucker. Ever, you can't use Google, you
can't use a up three four different things in China.
China own the motherfucking infrastructure of America.

Speaker 4 (57:32):
Yeah, they owned a lot of this.

Speaker 7 (57:34):
So what I'm saying, So I'm saying now they just
actually tired of getting punked every day out the whole time.

Speaker 4 (57:42):
What is it?

Speaker 3 (57:42):
Google? Google is over there.

Speaker 7 (57:45):
All kinds of Facebook ship, but they do their thing.
But that that's the concept of freedom, you know. I
mean that that.

Speaker 4 (57:52):
So what y'all think happened over there, because I don't
want to get away from that over in Dubai.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
I just think that man right now is changing the
Earth's natural being. I just think that man is just
changing Earth's natural being, and that's God's reaction to it.

Speaker 6 (58:15):
I think that God is in man and man is God.
So you know, that's you know, me coming from you
know why the powers that we give credit to some
invisible entity, that's really the power of the original man
and woman, you know. And when I say original, we're
not talking about you know, we're talking about the people

(58:36):
with the melan and you know what I'm saying. So
we got them natural abilities, just the fact that mind
over matter exists. The fact you can think about a
female and you can see in blood rushing to your
private parts. That's mind manipulating matter. That's moving matter, you
know what I'm saying. And we got that outside of
We got that ability outside of us. But if we poison,

(58:58):
if somebody didn't fed us the wrong food food and
calcified our pioneal gland and keep us distracted with poisons
and all of that, then we're not gonna be able
to tap into that outside ability. But some of us
have always never lost our outside of a buildy. The
original people that built the pyramids and high sciences and
all of that, the Dogon tribes them as are people.

(59:19):
They never failed for the poison and the devices and
all of that.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
That that we didn't fail for.

Speaker 6 (59:23):
So they've been keeping that secret, secret society knowledge that
high righteous gods sign you know, not no God, ain't
no mystery, got spook fantasy, fairy tale. God is the
original black man. I mean, you know, I got to
say what it is black people, original indigenous people. All
people are gods. But you could be a wicked god.
You can be a righteous guy. Yeah, So so we

(59:48):
don't get it. We know harp exists. They can they
can cause earthquakes, they can cause storms.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
And all that.

Speaker 6 (59:54):
Okay, well that just started in nineteen ninety something. Who
was doing all the storms before that?

Speaker 1 (59:59):
Us?

Speaker 6 (01:00:00):
You know, our people, I ain't talking about the slaves
and mentally dead with nasses and but our answers, you know,
are are scientists, our holy white scientists. That's where they
got secret societies from that's that whole blueprint was was
off of righteous God original circles of scientists, and they yeah,
they just perverted and they got their wicked scientists called

(01:00:20):
Illuminati or Satan or Synagogue or Satan and all of that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
So don't don't be.

Speaker 6 (01:00:25):
Quick to give the credit to all this stuff that's
going on to some some pink people.

Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
Yeah, man, it's just a lot of madnes's going on
in the world now, and I'd like to touch some
stuff his are once in a while, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
You know, it's my problem, mate, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (01:00:42):
Like, it made it hard for me come in in
a business because the people that I thought was the
ship was a representation of the people that I lived with,
thought my older homies to this day.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
So it makes it a challenge, you know what I mean.

Speaker 7 (01:00:54):
And I always knew it would be a challenge coming
into rap still because of the people, Like people do
want to see you gouts. But that's why I have
faith in a lot of the early West Coast pioneers
and all of the stuff that happened, because they showed that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
That's why hip hop on the West was so successful
because it was for the everyday person at to be.

Speaker 6 (01:01:15):
It represented the rebellion against the mainstream machine like MTVS
or whatever music and whatever entertainment was. West Coast rap,
gangster rap represented the.

Speaker 5 (01:01:27):
Rebellion exactly because they hated us and West Coast to
play us. They didn't want to play us. Coachyros didn't
want to play our songs. They really hated West Coast music.
And we was making a gang of you know, we
were trying to stabilize us ourselves off that ship.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
You give me.

Speaker 5 (01:01:44):
I started rapping because I wanted to get about the hood.
I want to get up out of poverty. You get
me straight up.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
You can make money back there. Did you see it
like that?

Speaker 4 (01:01:55):
But it makes money. I didn't make money off of around,
you know.

Speaker 7 (01:01:58):
I'm saying when you first start rapping, I can't believe
y'all really saw it as an economic ploy. I was
rich from rapping. Maybe the closest person would have been easy.
I never like who was rich.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
Ice Tea is the only person and he and you
had I'm sure he had heard stories about him. I
heard stories for sure.

Speaker 6 (01:02:18):
Y'all heard, yeah, Ice Tea And then Tone Low like
shouts out tone, like was the one that kind of
like I seen on MPV and stuff like that. But
on some hood level, like like A said, we wasn't
doing it for money. We was doing it for females,
like female like if you know, you know females is
liking your ship, you know what I'm saying. So when

(01:02:38):
you was, we was riding around like like his first
album with One Time gapping them up and late night
hype and all that, like that was a hood east
side and classic God.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
I don't know what what whether he made no money off.

Speaker 5 (01:02:53):
Of Honestly, I got I started rapping because cause I
looked at it as a way to keep me out
of jail or not getting killed because we were seriously
in the neighborhood. I didn't know if I was gonna
make no money off of this ship because I didn't
know shit off of I ain't no shit about it.

(01:03:14):
I didn't know shit about technicals and fucking royal tees
and shin and all that.

Speaker 4 (01:03:20):
Sh All I wanted to do was put a record.
How let niggas know.

Speaker 6 (01:03:23):
About count staying out of jail by doing doing shows?
Like how was you getting money? How did you see it. No, No,
not that.

Speaker 7 (01:03:29):
How did you because that's what I'm trying to figure out,
y'all didn't grow.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
The closest person that.

Speaker 7 (01:03:34):
Would have had to have some money that y'all could
have saw would have been probably.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
Like iced tea, you know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (01:03:40):
Or easy maybe easy when they come to when it
came to financials. If I looked at it, I didn't
look at nobody on the West Coast. I looked at
them East Coast niggas. I looked at niggas like run
DMC and them. Niggas was nigga. They had Houdini and
fucking run them. Niggas had tours going through them. Now

(01:04:00):
didn't Did I think I could make some money?

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
I don't know. But my my.

Speaker 4 (01:04:08):
Quest to really become conscious, most wanted was to let
people know about what's going.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
On over here. You get me over there.

Speaker 4 (01:04:18):
They fun with it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
Nigga.

Speaker 5 (01:04:20):
We got shot at last night, Nigga, last night three
of us went to the holding.

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
Take me. They act like they didn't get shot at.
That's the truth.

Speaker 5 (01:04:30):
Yeah, I think they. I think they figured out it
was something about them figuring out the formula to We're
not gonna talk about that ship.

Speaker 6 (01:04:39):
But that's what it was. It was more it was
more g rated radio f c C. Like you wasn't
saying certain stuff. You wasn't saying like West Coast broke
that mold he was talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
My point was they was getting shot into.

Speaker 5 (01:04:53):
They fobably. They just knew they couldn't talk about it. Yeah,
they like you get me listening to run DMC and
you heard my d this. You listen to LLL and
you heard I Need Love on my radio. You listen
to Whudini, you heard five minutes of funking friends.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
You get me.

Speaker 5 (01:05:11):
It was all fun and games. It wasn't. It wasn't
funny games. Even though yeah niggas rapping and Wootie won't nigga.
I still got to go home tonight when I leave,
really got to drive through Compton. I get on MARDIQ.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
Was the closest thing on from New York ship to
l A. To me, that was that was like gangs,
the shook one.

Speaker 5 (01:05:30):
That that was kind of like didn't look at never
looked at New York rappers.

Speaker 4 (01:05:34):
And like you said, of course they had to cool.

Speaker 5 (01:05:37):
G raps and there they had to justice and ship.
You know, they had to grind me, niggas all that ship.
But to me, New York was success. You get me,
because that's what that's what. That was the mecca of
the music industry. So you have to go there to
get your record, your damn right, shouts out to King T.

Speaker 6 (01:05:58):
So King T to me kind of broke the mold
like Ice Tea did it in a certain way. But
then King T brought it to King T kept it home. Yeah,
he kept it home because he's he knew how to
speak that lingo. He sounded like people too. Yeah yeah,
so so shouts south King T. He the one you
know for me on some street grimy ship it was.

(01:06:20):
It was Toddy T, mixed Master Spade, uh, mixed Master
King DJ story, it was all that mixed man.

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
Crazy.

Speaker 7 (01:06:29):
But this is a real question still you would get
in on this. Actually he wasn't in LA when at
this time, this is early eighties. How did y'all feel
about the rappers rap disco company?

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
Right? That's so, that's that's the cubs. Uh what's the
brother's name? He's all the real hard times as what.

Speaker 7 (01:06:54):
But they were like the first I don't call it
West Coast hip hop.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
I call it hip hop.

Speaker 7 (01:06:59):
On the West Coach, right, that's the song bad Times
that was What's.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
Crazy is the boys from Minneapolis. That was one of
the first productions Jimmy Jame Terry. They did that.

Speaker 4 (01:07:14):
Then Clidan s Anderson released that record Bad Times Done.
It's that record that.

Speaker 7 (01:07:23):
Making all the answers to the East Coast Records. So
when they had Rappers Delight, they came out with that song.
It was a song where it was rapping over the
disco sample and uh, bad Times was a response to
the message.

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
It was kind of their version of they were talking
about game banging in La.

Speaker 4 (01:07:40):
Let me land on something real quick too, you know
v I P Records. Of course on Big give Y
with vf P Records, Calvin is h not Calvin, Cleatans
is Clouds big brother and the rapper Appsode was grandfather,
you know, like record retail royalty pretty much in l A.

(01:08:03):
They had stories everywhere at the time when black retail
was really cracking across the country. You know, he released
a lot of those records. I just found that out.
I was talking to Calvin maybe a month ago and
they was releasing a lot of those records.

Speaker 7 (01:08:16):
What's the dude Snoop got that line from Blood.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
What's his name?

Speaker 4 (01:08:21):
You know, I'm talking about the radio activities there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
I don't know, well, how did how did Joe Cooley
and Rode Neil fall in all of that in l
A because they was one of them, the one that
met l Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:08:35):
That was like that was like in the beginning of
us trying to find our identity as West Coast.

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
Yes, because they had finger Ways.

Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
Makes yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, drinks, but they had finger
Ways like Coolie came in that they messed with.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
And all them.

Speaker 5 (01:08:59):
That's when they you know, because we were trying to
to me, I think we were trying to change our identity.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
As far as music.

Speaker 5 (01:09:09):
We had Wrecking Crew, like you said, we had l
A Dream Team, We had Egypt and then Unknown had
Techno hop. A lot of our music wasn't It wasn't
even East Coast, you get me.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
Because the Egyptian lovel record.

Speaker 5 (01:09:26):
That's to me that that was like, that was like
the that was like the hardest record to me. Emma
beat Goose Booms.

Speaker 9 (01:09:35):
Like that was that was that was I'm gonna tell
you a record that influenced the East, South and West
Coast every everything early on was the derivative of Planet Rock.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
Well, I think Egyptian Lover for surets Planet.

Speaker 4 (01:09:51):
Rock, you know, came like the whole thing, the whole vibe.
Everything was like that. Planet Rock was a big ass
record the South of Miami through a land of the
whole Miami Base. And I tell you all this, Frosty,
I'm gonna tell you you might not this. You knew
what they call Miami Base now, Magic Mike tell you

(01:10:14):
Mike J.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
Mike used to beat Man, Yeah, mister Mix always, but
Magic might be something.

Speaker 5 (01:10:21):
I could never understand how a motherfucker sold so many records.
We was just a fucking PRODUCERO or whatever. I used
to be like this nigga selling triple flat. Wonder what
you're the Magic Mic.

Speaker 4 (01:10:35):
He was before mister Mix because he's before two Live Group.

Speaker 5 (01:10:39):
Yeah, Magic Mike was all through the South. Man, I'm
telling you. I used to get them reports and because
it was team on them reports back then, I used
to be how.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
The fuck is a dude doing beats.

Speaker 5 (01:10:51):
Just and and and fucking hip hop eight O eight
party beat That nigga was selling that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
Because how people wanted to dance?

Speaker 7 (01:11:02):
It all go to people wanting to dance, and then
we start evolving. All the staffs right, all other staffs
came from it. But that's why hammer did so good,
That's why heavy.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
D did so good. When you could dance to the music.

Speaker 7 (01:11:18):
That's almost kind of the greatest part of music like that,
that pays a life.

Speaker 10 (01:11:23):
And that's and and and that's what's so hard that
I didn't get I didn't get it, but never I
never envisioned myself for writing let's get it started, or
writing a motherfucking.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
Everyone knows pay It's the tempo of the beat.

Speaker 4 (01:11:38):
It's the closest I ain't got to. It was grills, yeah,
because I'm gonna tell you though, broke sitting off the
closest I got through it. Element that the South due
got dog that we got away from it. It is
that either way dog, that that that.

Speaker 7 (01:11:55):
Boom, Well, it's it's just a lot more lower. You
were pioneering, or I would take Nigga slipped Love at
eight o eight.

Speaker 3 (01:12:02):
It's crazy, didn't give.

Speaker 7 (01:12:03):
A fuck pioneer in the version of hip hop that
wasn't about this. Oh yeah, you didn't really chill about
Consolos won. But who do you remember in the eighties
that didn't have music that you party to.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
This is gonna suck you up. Who do you remember
in the n W you party to? W A oh,
definitely something dance to and.

Speaker 4 (01:12:23):
Those are dance records. Express yourself on that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
So think about right too? Is dance wow thing making
all that shit young gim Young Gim seed.

Speaker 4 (01:12:35):
They didn't make no dance music, but you just have
no hooks like you really need.

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
Quick is dance music.

Speaker 7 (01:12:44):
Even the first Doggie style chronic there was dance songs
all that Leon Demi songs that you party two y'all
kind of pioneered the rap that you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:12:53):
You never really chipped off of.

Speaker 5 (01:12:55):
No, I didn't I but what I did is I
heard those dudes I don't want to do that type of.

Speaker 6 (01:13:02):
Shit since we want to do that. So what made
you on that tip? Like what made you feel comfortable
when they're doing that? Like because I know that's something
that we grew up listening to. That's like nigga got
to clean up the house on Saturday morning whatever mine's
or grandmama or whatever. But what made you feel comfortable
rapping to that type of beat like them Slow Gangster
beats because that's hard, that's hard to do.

Speaker 5 (01:13:27):
I felt that I could be more descriptive with people.
I wanted people to understand what I was talking about.
You know, some rappers, you know, you get on you
hear them, it take you about three or four listens
to like, what do you say on that part?

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
What do you say on it?

Speaker 5 (01:13:48):
I really wanted to explain to you what was the
struggles being in the neighborhood. So I would only pick
sinisters type slow beats because I said I could explain
myself and I could get it could hit home to you.

Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
So I think I think more.

Speaker 6 (01:14:04):
It's like how you naturally speak, Like on West Coast,
we speak slow, you know what I'm saying. So you're
gonna pick a tempo and a vibe like you say sinister, dark, whatever.
But it's gonna be a tempo where I can naturally
speak my natural cadence, like I'm not trying to so fast.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):

Speaker 6 (01:14:23):
I'm talking about this, how I really this, I ate
really talk. It's how Chill really talks. You know what
I'm saying. Let the beat breathe.

Speaker 5 (01:14:29):
I plattered myself for niggas like us I didn't really
look for like I need that song to wear, I'm
gonna give me a couple of bitches freaking in the club,
or I need to get that radio hit.

Speaker 4 (01:14:42):
So I never thought like that. Man, did you let
me ask you this? We was in Atlanta, dog, I
want to get some Atlanta into right now?

Speaker 3 (01:14:58):
Still is a day it's in rope on the opposite
the end.

Speaker 4 (01:15:05):
Everything down this way is driven by the club, or
is it still that way?

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
Always?

Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
It's gonna always be the strip club. That's the strip
It'll always be the strip club. Because the strip club.
You can go in the strip club and instantly get
a reaction for your music when you can't get that
in nowhere else in the country.

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
Who you're gonna get it from the way the girls
vibe to it because.

Speaker 4 (01:15:25):
It's the girls.

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
It's like, at the end of the day, like every
big record that come out of Atlanta is because it
came out of.

Speaker 3 (01:15:31):
The strip club because of how the girls dance. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
And another thing is because every time they feel like
they control in one area of Atlanta, then another strip
club to find another hit from the street. So that's
why I say, as long as Atlanta got a strip club.
They'll never be able to stop the music that we
create here because you don't.

Speaker 4 (01:15:50):
Even have to come in and that's why it's soft.
Like I think that's an advantage because we used to
have a cold club scene in l at the strip
club scene.

Speaker 3 (01:16:02):
To take me to the.

Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
First first person strip club, What's corrupt. Cor Corrupt was
the first one to take me to a strip club
in l A.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
I was.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
I was kind of like, yo, this is different. It's
not lame.

Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
It's just it will remind me more of a cheetah downtown,
you know. Yeah, like I was, I.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
Was kind of like, okay, And then when they put
the one in Hollywood that was kind of like more black.
They were trying to you know, Cavity was over there,
like that was more black.

Speaker 7 (01:16:40):
But I talked so bad about strip clubs and prostitutes
because I never saw good ship.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
I mean still, I went to mind me. I was
shout out to eat class, right.

Speaker 7 (01:16:51):
I was with the class, and the motherfucker took me
to what's the one that's like a gym. It's like
a basketball gym full of bitch.

Speaker 3 (01:16:59):
That's that's the that's the that's the big one. That's
uh that's a man. I seen these girls coming down,
it's like a wet house.

Speaker 7 (01:17:08):
Ninety miles an hour eight and stopping on the showmanship.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
They had that showmanship.

Speaker 4 (01:17:18):
Me.

Speaker 7 (01:17:19):
I was like, Oh, this is what this ship is about.
Then motherfuckers was doing flips on top of flips.

Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
Flips over people, over people. It was like, oh this
is what Oh I get it, I throw somebody.

Speaker 4 (01:17:38):
Yeah, if you go to the bar because you're not. Yeah,
strip club scene was like the barb.

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
It was. It was just to get on for.

Speaker 4 (01:17:48):
Going one going to strip clubs, like.

Speaker 5 (01:17:55):
That's that's what strepsed. So I never got into the
strip club scene.

Speaker 4 (01:17:58):
You to the first King and see how you want you.

Speaker 5 (01:18:05):
I want you a good I want you a good
neighborhood rat nigga. That's just just can't hear me, man,
please king hear they come off first kid.

Speaker 4 (01:18:16):
That key hearing nigga was even.

Speaker 7 (01:18:18):
But even prostitutes like at home, I'm like, how could
you buy because I guess growing up, you know on
Long Beach or on fig you only seen strawberry. You
didn't see regular girl.

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
So I remember when I first started seeing real prostitute
going on, I was like, oh, this is what people
pay for.

Speaker 7 (01:18:34):
Because my whole life I grew up understanding what sugar freedom,
ire can't pay for this.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
And Uncle Luke made that made it look so good
back then, like he he really made it look great.

Speaker 4 (01:18:44):
Uncle Luke was a traveling six show.

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
That was Yeah, that was that was pooring. That was porn.

Speaker 4 (01:18:57):
Yo was out already when the well was the thing
still going on down there?

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
Freament? Yeah, man, see them with some Did you ever
go to freemik m you never.

Speaker 4 (01:19:08):
Want to free? Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
Yeah, I mean I I that's man, that's what too
short cocaine.

Speaker 3 (01:19:16):
Yeah, that was I watched the ship. That's a great
marketing tool. It was great.

Speaker 5 (01:19:20):
It was great for them breaking out casts and all
the groups down here because like he said, everything was
the strip clubs and short nick and ship like that.
Now you start promoting them records and ship won't want
everybody jump on. It was a great it was. It
was a great atmosphere to It changed his life.

Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
He said, that's why he moved down here. Freaking He said, man,
this is something my.

Speaker 5 (01:19:46):
Homebreak things and ship like thirty years ago, and he
talked about it to this day.

Speaker 4 (01:19:53):
Swear to god, man, they could talk about.

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
We were just talking about and he said, Man, did
you see the Freak Nick movie? He said, oh my god, Man,
I remember, Man, we could jump.

Speaker 5 (01:20:02):
Out the car and walk to Blotch and be beating
because it's just women everywhere and that all.

Speaker 4 (01:20:07):
Man, I had such a great time. Man, I hate
that I never got back down there, I said, fucking
fifty years old.

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
It was a lovely point about hip hop, like how
we break records, right, they break records.

Speaker 7 (01:20:24):
Through the strip club, and when people can't have a
Freak Nick, they could leave without cast a goodie mob.
We had our we had the party scenes where that's
where we was breaking all the records, right, So that's
why all the records did well. But if you look
at like right now, they still have the strip club
and at home obviously, as were losing more urban and scenery,
you don't have urban clubs or even the clubs in
Hollywood that was being urbanized.

Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
There aren't.

Speaker 7 (01:20:47):
They ain't are as urbanized anymore, so you don't have
a way to break records and some of the that's
why you started.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
Guess what social media did they fire fella fil I was,
that's so sad, you know, his mama, stay in college, Paul,
he didn't come home. Yeah, Phillips Field because I messed
with Philip Fair. He was the first one to really
put us on.

Speaker 3 (01:21:05):
Like he was a real good dude.

Speaker 4 (01:21:09):
So Philly Field was from Atlanta.

Speaker 3 (01:21:11):
His mother here that he ended up going to test.

Speaker 4 (01:21:14):
Yeah, I think he was in Texas. Mama, stay here,
stay in color Park.

Speaker 3 (01:21:18):
Is that right?

Speaker 4 (01:21:20):
Let me ask it's Philly Field white or black? A Mixican?
It was Spanish probably and some Filipino in there. Probably.
Philly Field was my boy man. Philly felt a good catch.

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
They don't have nobody that could replace Scottie Spencer. I
just think La never gave Scotty Spencer his roses. He
he really broke a lot of acts in the nineties. Yeah,
like like like he like he walked us through all
the projects and I tell people the time, like the
first time he took us to watch the first time
he took us and our members walking in the courtyard

(01:21:56):
and everybody had their doze open their apartments and they
had guns and they and they waist pad and everybody
was tripping and we were kind of like and you know,
you know, Grake came down there and they said, you know,
y'all are the only ones outside the pop that we
play over here. Everything it is gonna get knocked down.

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
And watch this good money.

Speaker 4 (01:22:18):
I remember there were two promo tours that people went
on when they came on the West Coast because I
had a record store. I remember when Cash Money first
came out, Big A had me come up to the
Big Game Underworld Records because Cash Money. I go up
in there and that's when they really not popping like that.
They could the High record.

Speaker 3 (01:22:38):
This is Big Timers, Yeah yeah, no.

Speaker 4 (01:22:40):
But higher record that just start floating around Juvenile record.

Speaker 7 (01:22:43):
But I think they was torn off Big Ball because
the Big Timers record came out before Yeah record.

Speaker 3 (01:22:52):
Because I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna tell you they
were coming out of that BG.

Speaker 4 (01:22:55):
It was the Big Timers first and the Juvenile that
they had the samplers, and I was tripping off of
that High record because I got like a box of
them from cassettes. Remember the Consetts. They used to have
a thirty second snippet of the single on there, and
I was like, this is a crazy ass sound on
the record. I didn't understand the groove. I was like
time huh, you know, and it was life And I said,

(01:23:19):
you see it's dope though, but I remember that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
Did you really think it was?

Speaker 4 (01:23:24):
I did. I thought it was very unique. I appreciate it.
I thought it was dope for really. I thought it
was dope for real. Man, I ain't gonna lie.

Speaker 3 (01:23:33):
I got a live it happened, It had the it
did that flow had it was. It was different and
you know it was different because Jay jumped on it.

Speaker 4 (01:23:45):
That's how.

Speaker 3 (01:23:45):
That's how you know.

Speaker 4 (01:23:46):
It was just hell enough. And I think that was
a genius marketing scheme back then because they would put
the thirty seconds on the tape right. It had me
intrigued to where I was looking for that record. I said,
what is this ship coming out? Because I'm not gonna lie.
Baby in them was cool, but I wouldn't. I didn't
think they could wrap.

Speaker 3 (01:24:03):
But Baby was never he never, he never really wanted
to be wrapped. There.

Speaker 4 (01:24:07):
They're they're they're down south. It's not goodie mob. Yeah
they counts.

Speaker 3 (01:24:15):
Not what he's saying. If the first thing you heard
from cash Money is maney, just because I just thought
it was just your gone hand over the top. You
heard kind of the producer and there.

Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
But I but I thought at that time when I
was seeing that, I thought that they was following Fordy
and and be legit.

Speaker 3 (01:24:36):
When I was looking at them do that, I was like,
you you're doing Fordy.

Speaker 4 (01:24:39):
You know what I mean? Because it was just so
over the you know, just imagine the first round. Here
I got tiger skin, leopard seats across my seat, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (01:24:48):
They got money to spend when he got limits limousine
out TT cruiser and you.

Speaker 3 (01:24:54):
Got too much bundy to spin. You know what I
liked about them, see, because you're right, they was kind
of shiny.

Speaker 7 (01:25:00):
But they used to treat the cards like they was
hood cards, like they didn't have no First off, they
didn't dress European.

Speaker 3 (01:25:06):
They didn't have no European fashion.

Speaker 4 (01:25:09):
Shirt, big ass steel T shirt had.

Speaker 3 (01:25:18):
And then they whipping a Ferrari like it's a regal.
Like these niggas gratisation why they mistreat me.

Speaker 4 (01:25:25):
But I didn't feel about them. Once I started seeing
the visuals, I started appreciating them more and I started
really paying attention to the beasts. Because I always thought
Manny Fresh was a monster. I wouldn't I wouldn't I
wouldn't in love with the reps. But I'm a big
sound I'm a I'm a big sonist guy, and I
was like, these beats is hard the motherfucker because they

(01:25:46):
were so different.

Speaker 3 (01:25:47):
Dog, I was like, damn yea, they was different. Yeah,
all he was a great he's a good boom.

Speaker 4 (01:25:54):
To tell you all right now, I'm gonna tell you
all the cat I heard from New Orleans and he
DJ quicks cuz, you know, shout out the recipes to Jackie.
I don't know for if anybody knew Jackie she passed away. Yeah, yeah,
you know Jackie man, he heard that made me sad.
She was cool because her her dude Darrel at the time,

(01:26:15):
he was the one that got me the little situation
up that that you know, I ain't.

Speaker 3 (01:26:22):
Cut him off something.

Speaker 4 (01:26:25):
Did you see checks with me on the side, And
that's gonna do with the record deal. But you know, well,
y'all cool, She was cool.

Speaker 3 (01:26:43):
People.

Speaker 4 (01:26:44):
We had a cousin from New Orleans that was probab
to get on. He was a producer. He had them
different kind of beats like they had that was kind
of like like that bounced to him. And he had
this one where the bombs wrapping like that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
It was hard to me.

Speaker 4 (01:27:01):
I had a song called and the Heat of the
Night on that dog I can't find that tap nowhere.
Quick's family got a lot of talent. Dog mm hmm.
Well Quick is definitely a different monster. All for the
Money was a big record with't no hook.

Speaker 5 (01:27:18):
Because all what All for the Money? I gotta get
my mind, so I'm gonna take yours. That was the
first hook I started writing.

Speaker 4 (01:27:25):
I'm gonna take your But that record just feel good.
That record felt like cool as ill you know the music.

Speaker 7 (01:27:30):
We keep talking somewhere along the line, I can't get
this through to anybody hip hop. We don't care about you.
You don't care about the MC. See I get it
that because it's the MC moment to matter at one
thing about one of the music was always top tier.

Speaker 4 (01:27:56):
Hold on one thing, we tripping man. When we talk
about all music, we have to talk about the man
that was responsible for just some of the greatest music.
Fucked us off because some of the greatest music coming
out ever, the Dungeon fam Weak Away. When I first
heard the music, every great movement we talk about that

(01:28:19):
has been driven by a producer comas most wanted DJ slip.
You know what I'm saying, moretown cash money, many fresh
the Dungeon famly Rico.

Speaker 3 (01:28:33):
Give us some words.

Speaker 1 (01:28:38):
I've been seeing him since we was in middle school.
Man the man, the man been everybody's father since middle school.
Like man driving his own car in middle school, you
know what I man Like, He's always been a leader,
and it was always just him, his mother and his
two sisters. And when Ray from Organized Noise, when him

(01:29:04):
and Rik met, that completed Organized Noise because Sleepy was.

Speaker 4 (01:29:08):
Already with Rico and.

Speaker 1 (01:29:13):
Rico man like, but he was getting his like even
in the nineties before people knew us, Rico always was
getting his own clothes made, like, he had his own cars, like,
he was getting his cars done special. Like he was
doing everything that only kids that was more advanced was doing,

(01:29:34):
you know what I mean. And it's like when we
moved from the projects to the house in Lakewood, he
didn't lead a project till we found our cast. When
he found our cast, he moved us into a house.
And when every night dog at this man house, you
would have cars all the way down the street every night,
and his mom and his sister was in the house

(01:29:54):
while we was creating all these records. It's you know,
so we we've never seen nobody as selfless as them.

Speaker 4 (01:30:04):
That's dope. So let me pickure this because you know what,
I always thought Rikaway was older than y'all, and it
makes sense because it just seemed like he carried himself
like that way. So he was a little kid pretty
much and took y'all in and said we go create
this movement. Yeah, all of us are the same age.
That's crazy, man.

Speaker 1 (01:30:20):
The only one that the leaders that the elder is
like Ray Ray Murray him is sleepy. They're the oldest,
you know what I mean, out of organized me Reek. Yeah,
the rest of us probably Kujo Timo. All of us
the same age. The babies are ce Low three thousand

(01:30:41):
and big boy, those are the babies, you know, I
get on the Future was the baby baby under them,

Speaker 3 (01:30:49):
Future wasn't even rapping your meat head then.

Speaker 1 (01:30:51):
So you know, like he actually coached us. Bro and
I had the conversations yesterday. I said, brother, you understand
that at the end of the day, they did exactly
what they said they were gonna do for us because
we was peers even though once they success came, he
never turned around and said we're under y'all or y'all

(01:31:14):
under us.

Speaker 3 (01:31:15):
He lost.

Speaker 1 (01:31:15):
They deal at the face because he wouldn't put our
cares in Goodie.

Speaker 3 (01:31:20):
Marb and slave papers.

Speaker 1 (01:31:22):
So what he said, he said, check this out, we family,
before we put you in slave places, slave papers.

Speaker 3 (01:31:29):
I'll let y'all go.

Speaker 1 (01:31:31):
He let us go, He let our cares go, and
he let Goodie Marb go. He never owned our publisher,
He never owned our name for us to come to
the end of this for our kids. Our kids eat
off our music. He never did what them people wanted

(01:31:52):
him to do. He never That's the reason why they
didn't like Rico. Carico would not be into what all
everybody did to their groups. They didn't do Shure, they
didn't do Puffy. They wouldn't do none of that. Before
I do that to my to my family, I'll let
you go. And that's why they hated Reek because they said, Bro,

(01:32:14):
you could have been like doctor Dre. You could have
been like Puff. You could have owned the outcare right now,
own three thousand, owned Sea Lord. But if he had
owned us, it wouldn't have been on nass barklay it
wouldn't have been none of that. It wouldn't have been
no gift with Nelly, you know what I mean. So
even though he let us go, he also gave us

(01:32:35):
the freedom to always be able to come back home.

Speaker 4 (01:32:40):
We never got into it over this business. And that's
why he can die.

Speaker 3 (01:32:48):
And have a statue.

Speaker 4 (01:32:52):
Man. Man, man he did, he did. He did, Man,
he did, he did. He unthinkable, He did the unthinkable.
Brother he did.

Speaker 1 (01:33:03):
He want the music, he never he never did it,
you know, I mean, he never did what they wanted
to wanted him to do, and that's why they were
They would hated so much because New York wanted them
to crucify. You know that, Jimmy Ivins wanted them to.

Speaker 5 (01:33:20):
That's the intent they have. You give me fuck your
brother over so you could be successful. And then they
don't understand that that riff last so fucking long you
can never get it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:33):
Still got my puff.

Speaker 4 (01:33:35):
He walked away, He walked the way he walked, he walked,
and it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:39):
Makes it to where you don't even enjoy. That's when
he stopped. Because I heard you talk about it, and
I remember you're thinking about finish.

Speaker 1 (01:33:47):
No, I'm just saying that that's what he That's what
made him walk away, Like you know, you walked away
from Jimmy Ivian twenty million dollars on the table.

Speaker 4 (01:33:59):
He walked away.

Speaker 1 (01:34:01):
Before as slave.

Speaker 4 (01:34:02):
My partner is man I walk away.

Speaker 1 (01:34:05):
So that's what people don't understand about them, is that
organized noise did what we said when we were eating
chicking out the box to when we got him start
going to five star restaurants.

Speaker 4 (01:34:19):
Now think about it. His cousin DJ, he was a producer.

Speaker 1 (01:34:23):
That's who did Black Ice, That's who did a lot
of the outcasts U storytellers with Slick Ricked. That was DJ.
That on ain't cousin, come on there, get you something,
do it? You do it, you get your money. You
know what I mean? He never did. He never took
He never took man. And that's what make Rico who

(01:34:44):
he is. And that's the reason why I feel like
even now, it's like we have to learn how to
deal with each other the same way.

Speaker 4 (01:34:53):
We do it when we broke.

Speaker 3 (01:34:55):
When we get rich man, that's our problem.

Speaker 1 (01:34:57):
We get rog and then we start cutting all the
folk act like we act like.

Speaker 4 (01:35:03):
Them, and we can't do that.

Speaker 3 (01:35:05):
Bro I know this man.

Speaker 4 (01:35:09):
Every executive puts that bug in your ear, and ironically
that's how I lost my job of mind the music.
I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I wouldn't put too much under
one of those things. After the ice cream things, I record.
He was up for a new deal and they wanted
to do something like a fifty year deal man a code,

(01:35:29):
But I said, that's a legal.

Speaker 3 (01:35:30):
You can't do that.

Speaker 4 (01:35:32):
Ain't nothing the legal in the music business. I say,
I said, how can you do that this man and
never get his music back? Like he'd never get his
stuff back care.

Speaker 7 (01:35:40):
We talked about that, and that's what I was saying
to you. I remember telling me about that, and I
wouldn't listen. I was like, damn, that shit is crashy.

Speaker 4 (01:35:46):
Well, he let me run down the list Man Unknown
got as published. What's the boy that was down here?
That had it was up under hip Boy, not hip Boy.
The hip Boy was under the Kanye not before Kanye, Polo,
the Don Paulo, the Don. This state has the percentage

(01:36:08):
of Hip Boy's publishing. Hip Boy said that on the show.
He said, and I said, you mean the records that
you made back then? He said no, now because and
he said that Polo had told him. He said, Man,
I was young at the time, and that's what they
wanted me to do. They actually made the paperwork, and
he said, and he said that if I can go

(01:36:28):
back in there and change it, I can't even go
do nothing about it because they all get nothing one.
It ain't him, it ain't hip boy. But see what
happened is they have them do that deals and they
give them the fifteen twenty million dollars or whatever. Man,
they give it to them. They got the money, they gone.
They're not really getting that much of that publishing. But
when it's all said and down in history, it looks

(01:36:49):
like the brother was robbing the brother. Oh yeah, he
took all my shit. And it might have been the
motherfucker up in the office to put the paperwork together.
And I think that's why we as black people, dog
we seldom get opportunities. So when we get one, it's
almost like even if we see something that's kind of found,

(01:37:09):
we say, well, man, that's better than the alternative. What
are my options out here? You feel what I mean?
So I'm gonna go ahead and sign this and kind
of thug through it. An good question cut to the.

Speaker 6 (01:37:20):
Chase, Who who created Hollywood, who created the music industry,
and who created the US dollar? Who controls the Federal Reserve?
So that's really what the ship comes down to. Money
and media.

Speaker 4 (01:37:34):
Who owns and.

Speaker 3 (01:37:36):
Controls US dollar and US media. You know what I'm saying,
I ain't gonna.

Speaker 4 (01:37:42):
Get you.

Speaker 3 (01:37:45):
Know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:37:47):
And they said that right now, right now, the music business,
they are taking all the money overseas.

Speaker 3 (01:37:54):
They're putting all the money in Africa, They're putting all
the money in Japan.

Speaker 1 (01:37:58):
They're taking all our beats, all our styles, and all
our ways to the other country.

Speaker 4 (01:38:03):
And they said, come on, they're coming out of for
so right now. Yeah, they're not investing in the music. Yeah,
only in the live shown.

Speaker 3 (01:38:15):
Johonna wants to take all your publishing.

Speaker 1 (01:38:17):
That's why they don't care about the three sixty is
going on right now. They only care about the live show.
The live show makes the most money right now. So really,
if you get back to we're getting back to the
live slavery because it's about your work now, it's not
even about the music.

Speaker 3 (01:38:31):
Is it true that Lee or Horn originated three sixty
deal or something that was created that was created at
the time, right before ce Low.

Speaker 1 (01:38:43):
After the first Nose Bark album, And I remember we
went and met Loope down on Fairfax and he came
in and talked to the law. He said, have you
heard about this new deal that Atlantic wants all the
artists to sign three sixty deals? And that was the
first time I ever heard of a three sixty deal,

(01:39:04):
And he let us know. They was like, if you
don't sign these deals, your career is over.

Speaker 3 (01:39:10):
And where has been?

Speaker 1 (01:39:12):
Where has Loupe been since those deals were started? He
was a big artist during that time, but that was
what they was cutting. So you know when they did
go to Young Thug and those new artists, that's the
reason why I went. They went to those new artists.
The three sixty was created to kill the relationship between
the older artists and the new artists. How they was

(01:39:35):
gonna do it. You're gonna sign this paperwork, but I'm
gonna give you money that your og can't say he got.
So if Young Thug's sitting in the club and I
tell him, yo, bro, you shouldn't sign that third three
sixty deal. But then Leo said, but shit, I got
six million dollars for you to sign that deal. The
young kid gonna say, shit, give.

Speaker 3 (01:39:54):
Me that sick.

Speaker 4 (01:39:55):
That's what I'm saying. It's like that.

Speaker 5 (01:39:58):
You can't convinced about the fucking and wait on the
back end for all your ship where the nigga got
six million in your face and you are the man.

Speaker 6 (01:40:07):
Come on, well who printing the six men who got
the unlimited resources? I can go grab, I can go
throw big big ms at these young niggas.

Speaker 3 (01:40:16):
It's only one. It's only one that they put in place,
the one that got the change, right.

Speaker 1 (01:40:21):
It's only one brother that can walk around here and
take people artists, pay them more money than the people
they with and you can still put our records.

Speaker 3 (01:40:28):
It's only one black man that can do that. So
instead of instead of saying you know, no no Ditty Clive,
no Lucien or no degree.

Speaker 7 (01:40:38):
You know what I'm saying, Well, I think, like I said, man,
when we see white people being evil, you know we
can see it when black people it bothers me.

Speaker 4 (01:40:46):
Well, you know what, one thing.

Speaker 3 (01:40:50):
That's your name. One thing.

Speaker 4 (01:40:54):
Better fucking want to treat me.

Speaker 3 (01:40:58):
You didn't bring us slaves like they come from the
same ship I killed. You wanna because.

Speaker 4 (01:41:10):
You know what the event like, you know, with streaming
the way it is them physical CDs man was something
else back in the day, and they.

Speaker 1 (01:41:20):
Were the best because you got the actually you actually
fell in love with the artists, like like like you
actually fell in love with eight you you you fell
in love with him because of y'all style and Kelly
like that wasn't our style, you know what I mean.
Our style was wearing polo izard and ship like that.
Like we started getting into that once y'all came.

Speaker 3 (01:41:42):
Out because you was.

Speaker 1 (01:41:45):
Yeah, it was like y'all showed us like you can
still get money and still you know, dressed like your
you know what I mean? Like like.

Speaker 4 (01:41:59):
Right here, this AI shit, I ain't even gonn get
into the whole drake and play it out and I'm
tired of that shit now. But this shit with the AI,
they can take get Goodie's voice, they can take Cam's voice,
they can take your voice. Ah, that was created to

(01:42:19):
Rob Somemore. That was it.

Speaker 1 (01:42:23):
It's just created a Rob And you know they.

Speaker 4 (01:42:25):
Giving deals off of that right now. And I heard
what they're doing. It's depending on who you are. They
come to trying to shoot you some ms and say hey,
this is for when your career is done, when you're
no longer rapping. Just imagine mc A got a record
coming out fifty years from now and it ain't nobody
in your blood line benefited all from it.

Speaker 1 (01:42:45):
That was the last thing Tina Turner did was she
did a deal to on her She saw her lightness,
her face and her voice for fifty men before she died.

Speaker 4 (01:42:57):
That was the way she left her family some money.

Speaker 3 (01:43:00):
M hm h.

Speaker 1 (01:43:04):
That's that's the that's the new way. That's the only way.
That's the way that we can leave our kids something.
It's just sell our likeness and our voice.

Speaker 3 (01:43:13):
They come, he got this seven million, leave my things,
leave with me. Like man.

Speaker 1 (01:43:22):
They changing the deals up where it's making it hard.
Like you're saying, it's making you know what this is
the thing you think about that we just think about
we just we got.

Speaker 4 (01:43:32):
Two millions, give it up right now.

Speaker 3 (01:43:37):
The death bed about ninety.

Speaker 4 (01:43:43):
The glasses said, but that that's what it say you
The main thing about that you live a good life.

Speaker 3 (01:43:50):
They come to you on the side they still need.

Speaker 1 (01:43:52):
But the but the but the crazy part about this
era that we're in. Whatever they offer you, they're making
three to four times.

Speaker 3 (01:43:58):
That that's what I be about. When they be selling
the masks, I'm like, what is y'all I keep I'll
be seeing these numbers, and I know most of these numbers. Line.
I know Nigga's line.

Speaker 4 (01:44:07):
You know that's what hip hop is.

Speaker 3 (01:44:09):
You got to exaggeration. What if it's fifty is five? Right?

Speaker 5 (01:44:13):
But I'm saying, going with this ship, nigg I'm finna
put your shirt on. I'm finna put your shirt on
a sausage commercial or some ship.

Speaker 4 (01:44:22):
Check with what First he called me and said he
was in the rest of buying eights because you know
about people getting their catalog now it's about that time.
It's past the twenty years whatever, the people getting their
catalogs back. He said, well, I figure that it's a
win win because we gonna take all for the money,
all your hit records. They was gonna skip through it.

(01:44:44):
They were gonna give him some nice money. They said,
maybe he wants to go buy a car and put
some rims on it. And you were dead serious. You
call my man a coon. You tell me that's all
you cared about is getting to new car. Like he
he's sad of something like ship like I don't want

(01:45:06):
to buy your news and that that's why you said
dump and that's the why. That's why the game and
you look up the mother flush that's.

Speaker 5 (01:45:13):
Why the game is why you know that the commercial
And I'm like, they use my ship for so far, bigga.

Speaker 3 (01:45:20):
All for the money.

Speaker 4 (01:45:21):
It was all for exciting. It's all for the money.
Gonna look that up. Okay, so buddy naked, all for
the buddy. Check this out though, dog. I told him,
I said, you don't see nothing wrong, no disrespectful what
you just said. I said, this man is still a

(01:45:42):
six figure a year man. That's why he's not no
bomb like this.

Speaker 3 (01:45:47):
It's not all no may you said either chomping it up.
That's we do, bro.

Speaker 4 (01:45:55):
But hi, niggas, when you think about it, broke, that's
what they think about us. They think about, oh, he's
squamming all his resources by now let's go here.

Speaker 3 (01:46:09):
But check it out.

Speaker 1 (01:46:10):
Soon as soon as we start telling the young kids
that going by land, then they stopped the decl that.

Speaker 4 (01:46:15):
They stopped the deals.

Speaker 1 (01:46:17):
See when you as soon as you smarten up the
dude with the money, they want you to do that
with the money. But as soon as you say I'm
gonna go and buy twenty acres, then you can't get
that deal no more.

Speaker 3 (01:46:26):
That's crazy. You mean you me telling me you're gonna
buy some property.

Speaker 4 (01:46:30):
Yeah, like they got a clause.

Speaker 5 (01:46:33):
They got the clause to say what you're gonna do
with this money before I give it to you. First,
I'm gonna give me a copy of Cubans. I'm gonna
go get bill till I'm finna go invest in some land,
invest send my son to college and stuff. Like they

(01:46:55):
be like stiff and.

Speaker 1 (01:46:59):
Just say, just seeing the money that they just a
loted for Nipsey Hustle. Just see like five million dollars
like that. Let you know how much money in with
with his stuff like to have five men and I
mean everybody else.

Speaker 3 (01:47:12):
And got a good joke exactly about fifty.

Speaker 1 (01:47:17):
Like so when I saw that, I was like, wow,
Like Atlantic, that's the strength, that's the skinnamand away and
they like Nigga w man.

Speaker 4 (01:47:29):
You know what, We've been here for a while. Before
we go, I want to go back to something we
talked about, these people giving these people these songs. Pretty
much a dead rapper is more profitable. King Vaughn saw
a gang of records. That's the first.

Speaker 1 (01:47:43):
That's the first thing that Jimmy Iveen told of one night.
He said, he sat down, he said, he asked us. Yeah,
he was talking to Sea Loo. He said, what's bigger
than the superstuff? See?

Speaker 3 (01:47:54):
Lord, I don't know, he said, A dead one. Mm hmm.

Speaker 5 (01:47:59):
Ocauseous because yeah, the way they're gonna set that up
and market it, you're gonna sell quadrupal times of what
you would if the motherfucker was still walking around.

Speaker 7 (01:48:10):
You think about why that is because people who would
have never talked about you is now talking about. Yeah,
like everybody loves and dead niggas hated Muhammad Ali.

Speaker 3 (01:48:20):
We like people hated Mama.

Speaker 4 (01:48:23):
Definitely look at him right now, bigger than ever.

Speaker 3 (01:48:27):
Like you would think, like sometimes you date the way
they celebrate morning.

Speaker 4 (01:48:30):
The king, you would you would not think that the enemy, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:48:36):
Every day his birthday. You know how they you don't
go to work? Why kill the mother?

Speaker 1 (01:48:43):
Definitely? Well, you know that's a good. That's that's I'd
rather celebrate you. When you can't say nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:48:49):
You can't put on demands all my life.

Speaker 6 (01:48:51):
You can't, you can't in real time, in present time,
say yeah, I ain't gonna hold you accountable for that.

Speaker 3 (01:48:58):
Think about that day.

Speaker 5 (01:49:00):
Knock a motherfucker off. And theydn't want to give a
nigga holidays street the Street School. We're gonna play all
debt to you. Don't trip's don't have to kill you.
But in the long run, it's gonna be good.

Speaker 3 (01:49:15):
It's gonna be all right. Wife, don't be good. You're
gonna be kids go be, but you you got to
that's your life. Life. Yeah, programs, that's fucked up.

Speaker 7 (01:49:26):
Ship man a white man to well, like the great
Nancy Hustle said, I was looking at this white man
like you motherfucker.

Speaker 3 (01:49:32):
Yeah he great.

Speaker 5 (01:49:33):
Now they exploit you. One thing is good is exploit
you know we've always been exploited. Yeah, that ship, that
ship though it ain't gonna stop. It started way back
then and it ain't gonna stop with the next dead
rappers and that.

Speaker 4 (01:49:49):
This is you just can't let them celebrate you. Well,
you know, live insurance.

Speaker 3 (01:49:58):
Will be telling this nigga.

Speaker 5 (01:50:00):
Stop going around saying I'm a legend and all that
ship for these motherfuckers do something to it.

Speaker 1 (01:50:05):
Like well, you know they only just they only start
giving insurance once they start giving the millions.

Speaker 3 (01:50:11):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (01:50:12):
Sure, that's normal.

Speaker 1 (01:50:13):
But yeah, but once it was out in the public,
I could just see a real fast drawback from hip hop.
Soon as soon as French said it on the interviews,
kind of like okay, we heard somebody say, but now
that New Yorker said, now we need to follow back,
they stopped. They stopped really kind of signing the youngsters for.

Speaker 3 (01:50:32):
Sure, putting in shorts.

Speaker 7 (01:50:33):
If I signed what these nigga the nineteen I got
insurance on your life because you don't know when it stopped.

Speaker 3 (01:50:41):
Up. Remember so many things righting up man, for sure,
getting this you yeah, last calling made me slip, definitely.
I just realized that after se Loo.

Speaker 1 (01:50:55):
I just realized that, like all the big executives started
leaving the record companies, and he was like, what's going on.
So that's when he started three hundred. It was like
what's going on? They was like, Yo, they just going
outside of the record coming. Now all they want is
publishing there. So now they already knew that they the
money source for the game, So now let's just go

(01:51:15):
outside the outside of the actual structure of it. Create
these three hundred companies and all the whole main thing
is just to go after young publisher. That's that's that's like,
that's that's premeditated robbery.

Speaker 5 (01:51:29):
Because he's not smart enough to think as a young
nigga that nigga just get me paid, you get what
you got a million time.

Speaker 3 (01:51:40):
Everything.

Speaker 7 (01:51:41):
Well, I think that's why it was more pure when
I grew up listening to y'all ship right, because y'all
didn't think y'all can get rich. No, because you didn't
really think of it like that, my Rocane, you knew
you could get ready.

Speaker 4 (01:51:53):
You we.

Speaker 1 (01:51:59):
Was like, I just want to be on I just
want to be on put. I'm gonna tell you all
that you want to be the first. The first rap group,
the first that I thought was facing right on.

Speaker 4 (01:52:10):
The first rap group that I thought really getting big
money was really.

Speaker 1 (01:52:14):
Cyprus Hell because the ship was so big, that Smoking
Gruse ship was so big then like we were we
were looking at that ship like yo, like because the outcasts,
the outcasts who went on that Smoking Gruse to it like.

Speaker 3 (01:52:28):
They didn't have no money. We did the first album,
they only did it on per Diem, so we were
kind of broke.

Speaker 1 (01:52:32):
But that second Alm Drop and and Be realedom took
them on the smoking gruse to it with Ericaba, and
that's when.

Speaker 4 (01:52:39):
They came back up.

Speaker 3 (01:52:40):
Yeah, they came back, they came home. I was kind
of like that was the.

Speaker 4 (01:52:44):
First time I was like, damn, yeah, I don't think
nobody to look at you crazy saying that all the time, says.

Speaker 3 (01:52:53):
Not like.

Speaker 4 (01:52:56):
This.

Speaker 5 (01:52:57):
The hip hop they ca them niggas was successful's right,
that's right to be to be uh Mexican orientated. Serv Yes,
they were big. They they were big. They were bigger
than a lot of black artists.

Speaker 3 (01:53:12):
This is what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:53:14):
So they take, Yeah, they took. That's when they came back.
They made a hundreds down to night like like hudging
them Like wait a minute.

Speaker 5 (01:53:26):
Yeah, yeah they be real in them. Be real got
his own bill, be real, got the couple of dispensaries.

Speaker 3 (01:53:37):
And ship's l a caf.

Speaker 4 (01:53:43):
Be real up right now, just as normal.

Speaker 3 (01:53:46):
What's up? Why are you down real quick?

Speaker 4 (01:53:50):
Yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:53:52):
Yeah, that's my people's man all day. But yes, AAPIs
Hill was like like one of them groups like damn,
I'm looking at looking at I'm looking at them, like
what the they rapping about killing a man?

Speaker 3 (01:54:06):
And smoking. What what am I what on? Right? Like
niggas sold two million records, like.

Speaker 4 (01:54:14):
Because they one thing that helped them is they created
anthems dog.

Speaker 3 (01:54:20):
They did no, Well, it's it's a combination. It's a combination,
I agree.

Speaker 4 (01:54:25):
But they had they had.

Speaker 3 (01:54:29):
Nothing, taking nothing from mugs or be A.

Speaker 6 (01:54:34):
I'm saying that that's truth to what you said. But
let me let me just let me say that that
that that's true, that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:54:40):
Not it's not the complete truth because they songs was
the ships. It's not against us. But I'm just saying,
but ten million records better than jay Z, it's not
and million records they're not.

Speaker 4 (01:54:57):
They're not.

Speaker 6 (01:54:58):
I think they got bigger songs. But once there, what's
the definition of a bigger song? It's about what the
machine is gonna get behind exactly. So it's like like
Glass is saying, like it's not be really and muggsing
and fault that that the machine got behind them the
way they did.

Speaker 3 (01:55:13):
They make smash records.

Speaker 6 (01:55:16):
But they also was at the right place at the
right time as far as the vices, as far as
the wee thing that was always proponents and out front
on that.

Speaker 3 (01:55:25):
Subject, countercature that is the first.

Speaker 6 (01:55:28):
And even though be Real ain't you know, ain't Mexican,
but he still represents Latino exactly. So he was tapped
into that that large population of you know, his Spanish
or Latinos whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:55:40):
They didn't look like the rest of y'all.

Speaker 4 (01:55:42):
They didn't cause send Off looked like.

Speaker 3 (01:55:45):
Y'all, but like mugs and and and Be didn't look
like y'all. So think about it.

Speaker 7 (01:55:52):
This is not a disservice to anybody that's not a brother.
I'm saying Eminem is a.

Speaker 3 (01:55:58):
Rap as good as rocking out.

Speaker 7 (01:56:00):
There's a few rappers that rap as great as I'm
talking about formulating the hooks for making for his for
his reality.

Speaker 6 (01:56:08):
I just said as far as making a good record
I'm talking about, but good record for a white boy,
for a white man, sure, based off what his I.

Speaker 3 (01:56:14):
Never I never bought it, No, no, but that's not
what I'm I'm saying, just making something that you know,
I've never bought an Eminem record either A hell of a.

Speaker 7 (01:56:26):
Yeah, definitely, But again, you gotta be honest, especially on
gastic chronicles.

Speaker 3 (01:56:35):
Here's the reason he's so fifteen or twelve because he's
twelve million.

Speaker 4 (01:56:42):
Well specific is go always get people to probably don't
even listen to Rep Norm.

Speaker 7 (01:56:48):
Because you can look at him and I mean, listen,
let's be out to Complexion for the somebody that could
be me.

Speaker 1 (01:56:56):
I didn't get into him until he did stand like
the first you know what I mean, Like I didn't
get it because I was like, Okay, that took that's
hip hop. You sit down and you you did that.
But the first single, like the first one him and
d Driver kind of like that's weird.

Speaker 5 (01:57:12):
Yeah, that's the But honestly, that's the only record I played.
I didn't play anything after that of MS.

Speaker 4 (01:57:18):
And not the son. Only song I played was my
Name Is Said, and only played it because Dre did
the beat.

Speaker 3 (01:57:25):
That's it. That was it, you know that.

Speaker 5 (01:57:27):
I looked at the rap as as it's comical he's
but didn't listen to him because I think of this
one fucking like nigga.

Speaker 4 (01:57:43):
That was it.

Speaker 7 (01:57:44):
Yeah, the relatability to discuss talent right like you could
hear this motherfucker rap. Definitely the song not about our topics,
but about his personal.

Speaker 3 (01:57:57):
When I first saw him.

Speaker 7 (01:57:58):
This is how we was no lock were selling dope
in the spot, you know, right telling doping spot, chopping rock.
And it came on a bunx and it was this
little white kid drinking his grandmother drink. The grandmother comes
smacking up side of him and he starts choking.

Speaker 3 (01:58:13):
Some real white people that everything we thought of poor
white people exactly get it. This is like I did it.
I get that, I get the angle one I'm accepting.

Speaker 7 (01:58:27):
But what I was saying still is you gotta accept
that it's going to work better if it looks like them.

Speaker 4 (01:58:34):
Because well, he wasn't the only white rabbit. You gotta remember,
he had the perfect storm. He had doctor dre at
the time, too, dog, all that stuff was, all that
stuff mattered that because the snoop had doctor drink. FID
had doctor doctor d would say without.

Speaker 7 (01:58:49):
Them songs even then wouldn't have been as big as
he was. It's not even close. That's obviously you still
about the complexion of certain people. This is about obviously
that left. You gotta have good records. You niggas all
know that. I gotta tell you more definitely when you
pel her with good records, like a deal can sing,

(01:59:11):
she don't sing no better than probably I don't know.
It's so Jill Scott's I keep telling people Jill Scott's
sing as good as a dead If you didn't make
Beyonce dance at the same time and sing, she was
singing everybody under her table probably, but she got a
dance and ship and do a thousand flips kind of money.
But you gotta understand when pale people give me for
using this time, but when pale people have talent, people

(01:59:34):
be like, if a pale person can dance, you'd be like,
look at that motherfucker.

Speaker 3 (01:59:40):
You're proud of it. Pro you're fascinating.

Speaker 4 (01:59:48):
And another thing.

Speaker 1 (01:59:50):
And another thing that gave me that he was cool,
like he picked fifty.

Speaker 3 (01:59:55):
Like that was like I said, you changed into the street.
Like I was like, you pick.

Speaker 4 (02:00:01):
Like that's what made him kind of cool.

Speaker 11 (02:00:03):
On the other end, still an't like you got TV
they love hip hop though, you feel me.

Speaker 5 (02:00:18):
You have to love hip hop to be able to
feel that, to be able to try to craft a
good song. You ain't gotta necessarily go for that, you know,
number one top forty hit, but just you have to
be a fan favorite of good hip hop to try.

Speaker 6 (02:00:35):
To generate I had an issue recently with with Dre
Doctor J shouts out, Dre.

Speaker 3 (02:00:41):
You know what I'm saying that he one of the godfathers.

Speaker 6 (02:00:43):
But he said Eminem was the best to ever pick
up a mic, that he ever heard something like that.

Speaker 3 (02:00:49):
That's blasphemy.

Speaker 4 (02:00:50):
Yeah, I feel that last for that's that's you, that's
me promoting my product. You get me.

Speaker 3 (02:00:57):
I'm still but but so so you got too much
influence and you from us. This is our thing here.

Speaker 6 (02:01:03):
You know what I'm saying for you to get on
a major platform and use your platform to say that
about these people you work who controlling this paycheck?

Speaker 12 (02:01:13):
Well where you there, you go say I'm on you,
I'm on you, I'm on you people, I'm on your
control of that dollar, to control the billions that a
motherfucking handed them.

Speaker 3 (02:01:26):
To be like this motherfucker this one, you know, to
out what's the crazy.

Speaker 4 (02:01:34):
Before it ever heard like that? If you ever noticed
the theme with Jimmy, think about it. He had should
check this out, this step off from plans. Jim He

(02:01:54):
had should get first right head death room, removed sugar
out the way. You know Trey was a believe and
just go him right, not remove it. But I get you,
But everybody always wanted to back with Jimmy because he
got the I got the body. Where's that steal? At
this new deal? Where where you got his new company?

Speaker 3 (02:02:13):
At any with Larry any Gamma?

Speaker 4 (02:02:17):
Who the hell is Gamma? The dudes Apple, Yeah, it
is through a Gamma.

Speaker 3 (02:02:22):
I think.

Speaker 7 (02:02:24):
Ship you start where he was, Like, I get what
made it so hard for me? Because I was looking
like this Nick's crazy. To this day, I see them
may be like, man, this nigga Glass is a fool.

Speaker 3 (02:02:35):
But that's why you podcasting that because you got personality.
You might not know how to podcast.

Speaker 6 (02:02:40):
You might not know how to dance through the politics.
Same with like and me, Like you know what I'm
saying that, I think this is where we shine at
thanks to steal rather than like was his.

Speaker 3 (02:02:49):
Idea, Steve lost your talking these niggas, you folks came on.

Speaker 5 (02:02:57):
I used to sit there like, there the fun is
these niggas talking about. I used to just sit up
there and tell myself, Hey, like all we keep talking
about is death, row that it put about nothing else
but death. Those conversations I couldn't even get in because
I'm like, they're on that subject. So so when we

(02:03:20):
started doing like like we do now like, we're gonna
talk to them. We're gonna talk to them, We're gonna
talk about this subject. We're gonna talk about this, We're
gonna talk about now. Now, ship nigga, let's go. I
talked to you for three I talked to you for
thirty hours.

Speaker 1 (02:03:33):
I'm gonna tell y'all, man that that one y'all dial
with crypt I was laughing.

Speaker 3 (02:03:40):
Send me something I like.

Speaker 4 (02:03:45):
I was like, shut the stuff, man, what's coming on?
I was like, really, I'm like, man, what the fuck
we got to talk to about?

Speaker 3 (02:03:53):
Man?

Speaker 4 (02:03:56):
But when he came, I could see why people like
the home.

Speaker 5 (02:04:02):
One of my homies, the homie Rich called me, was like, man,
what the fuck y'all got that dude on?

Speaker 3 (02:04:07):
Man? That dude corny Man. Somebody gonna dump on that dude. Man.
Two days later that and they called me back. I
think gonna fuddy And I said, this is what I
was unstellable.

Speaker 7 (02:04:21):
So in about two years, right, hip hop is gonna
be dead the way we remember right, because it's already
passed the space to where we heard like I had
to hear it, gim first, that's what I heard authenticity.
I had to hear a for I didn't see you,
heard your Kim heard you, and then heard about you.
Heard you was on the boulevard and Trey, I heard
about you. I heard about you, right, and we passed

(02:04:43):
the words. We're a lot more serious with the message
we passed to each other because of certain type of people,
because they are becoming caricatures of culture.

Speaker 3 (02:04:54):
Caricatures right now, not of the culture. You know this.

Speaker 7 (02:04:57):
He's not a kid that grew up where we grew up.
And no disrespect to good dudes. I like him, but
he didn't grow up where we grew up to understand it.
So he already was somebody coming in based off an
outside perception of what he thinks this is about, and
he's broadcasting it to a bunch of other people, so
they start thinking that we think that this is what
it's about. So when you have the power, this is

(02:05:20):
why I was on your ass about him and Sammy
the boy, I'm like you are I know, big brothers.

Speaker 3 (02:05:25):
Okay, yeah, come on, when you do that, you start
to tell people we verifying the caricatures for the mascots
of the culture.

Speaker 7 (02:05:36):
And no matter how much you don't feel like you
are a gang member or you not a what you
are an authority figure when it comes to gangster rap music.

Speaker 4 (02:05:46):
Yeah, but you know what, I look at it too.
I hold people accountable. When I have those people on
the show, I asked them. I didn't pull no punches
on Rip, I asked him. I said, a dude, right,
is this whole act? Are you acting a clown? Is
that for real?

Speaker 3 (02:06:01):
Would you interview Satan?

Speaker 1 (02:06:02):
No?

Speaker 4 (02:06:03):
I wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (02:06:03):
But listen to what I'm saying, bro hold him acountable
the way you did.

Speaker 4 (02:06:07):
See, we gotta talk about We got to talk about
the business too, right, my whole soul job, Me and
eight may be talking to somebody like I wouldn't go.
We wouldn't go hang out with Quickmac personally. God bless
that dude. So but he's an interesting person. People want
to people want to know what's going on, know but
everything sometimes Man, it's that we gotta take ourselves out

(02:06:30):
the equation. You don't say, because you can't take the
streets like we're not out here selling do we're doing
the show.

Speaker 3 (02:06:36):
See. The thing is still is an executive. Still is
an executive.

Speaker 4 (02:06:42):
He's he's he's not not that, but he's the No,
he knows we gotta do this type of ship. We
gotta do it if you want to say, because.

Speaker 3 (02:06:57):
The words man would be the same like man, I
will give you. I'm gonna tell you this.

Speaker 4 (02:07:07):
The number one we mistake we make is black people
a black businessman. Is we want to drag the streets
into everything. Yeah it was, but still all of this
stuff has its Sami snitches are as much a part
of the street as as on riders and dope bills
and everything else. This was one of the biggest snitches
of mess murders in history.

Speaker 3 (02:07:26):
Why would we not talk to him? Because what do
you mean you can't give a platform to people?

Speaker 4 (02:07:32):
He already got his own. His platform is bigger than
any of his platform is damn there's big as Joe
Rogan's who Samiti Bull Snapper SEMy Bull gotta be platform.

Speaker 1 (02:07:42):
You.

Speaker 4 (02:07:42):
But people are interested in them, That's what I'm saying.
People are.

Speaker 3 (02:07:45):
My job is matter to not give a platform to
people who you.

Speaker 4 (02:07:49):
Know, whether I talk to him or not, he's gonna
be doing what he do anyway.

Speaker 5 (02:07:52):
Something still feel like he's gonna talk to somebody. He'll
talk Why why not us?

Speaker 3 (02:07:57):
So why not us? Somebody? In order for you to
be who you are.

Speaker 4 (02:08:02):
But my thing is this, I'm not a robber, motherfuckers.
I just know how to understand who am I robbing?

Speaker 3 (02:08:07):
That's not robbing. Is all based off premise.

Speaker 7 (02:08:10):
It's fair, right, we can say it's robbing, right, But
these dudes are signing the contract. That's where they can
always stand behind, right. So they said they took the
chance and made the decision they slf see.

Speaker 4 (02:08:18):
The thing is though, and I don't even know see
g come on, she's to always go.

Speaker 3 (02:08:27):
Watch them.

Speaker 4 (02:08:29):
It's like this, bro, you have to entertain the masses.
If people are sending me emails telling me they want
to see specific people, I'm gonna go get them because
if that if Joe blow, because I'm gonna tell you this, y'all,
don't say nothing to mister white man. The two white
people around the corner that that interviewed, everybody, check this
out right here, but check this out. They have successful platforms.

(02:08:51):
If we really want to put this thing back in
our hands, we can't have we can't let them be
the victors and them read writing history and our grandkids
look back at and they say DJ Vlad was the
most knowledgeable motherfucker about hip hop in this period. I
have to be able to get this show. My job
is to be able to get gangster chronicles, no ceilings
up to hear to where we are the true authorities.

(02:09:12):
When our pro when our platform is bigger than theirs,
then that's when we can start being more selected. Like, no,
we don't have to. So it's a means to end.
I made new people crawling their back and get up
to where we need to be. Here's a question, and
that's not about crypt Mac. That was the responsible I
really wanted to interview Cryp macats him being a young
black man, and I was worried about him. I thought

(02:09:34):
he maybe have some mental health problems going on because
this is by gangs.

Speaker 3 (02:09:39):
Because I'm a man at which place, at which place?
See you one of them niggas of the telegone record
and even talking around the city. He is truth.

Speaker 4 (02:10:03):
I'm not that nigga that you forget. So you know
what I'm gonna tell you something. You know why I
love my brother Cam. He's already decided in his life
he was gonna make that ultimate sacrifice and hold a
certain line like I'm not doing that ship and now
applaud that I like that.

Speaker 3 (02:10:18):
That's how you follow suit.

Speaker 4 (02:10:20):
I gotta make sure somebody making some income around.

Speaker 3 (02:10:23):
His mother show to.

Speaker 11 (02:10:32):
Show.

Speaker 3 (02:10:33):
So I gotta make sure somebody got some mother money.

Speaker 4 (02:10:35):
Keep and Chloyd.

Speaker 3 (02:10:36):
This is my only thought. I'm not disagreeing, but I'm
end it with this. I me in your pocket. I'm
in your pocket, ship talking, let me, I'm in the ship.

Speaker 4 (02:10:52):
We got that was our show is lovely.

Speaker 3 (02:10:56):
That's lovely to be like crazy. Final thought, final thought.

Speaker 7 (02:11:14):
Then we're supposed to be as big as white people
in the mire when it comes to certain things, when
it comes to just.

Speaker 3 (02:11:24):
Popularity, because why the fun will we be? We're black? Now,
there are those moments when we get a nigga that's
pretty popular, if you could be doing final moments to
the money.

Speaker 7 (02:11:36):
Okay, so there is gonna be some brothers that's popular,
but rest is sure for everyone that's popular, we probably
gonna look at him and be like, what the fuck
is going on?

Speaker 3 (02:11:46):
Right? Like Michael Jackson?

Speaker 7 (02:11:48):
Right, Michael Jackson started getting popular, but then you start
looking and you was like, what happened to your faith?

Speaker 3 (02:11:54):
What happened to your skin? Is the soul? And came out?
Where is the soul in your.

Speaker 7 (02:12:00):
Music, right, because it's a pursuit to impress them, right,
that's my point. Wouldn't that be the ultimate sacrifice? Or
forgive me because I know this word gonna irritate you,
but I don't mean it like that, the ultimate sellout because.

Speaker 4 (02:12:13):
If you start pursuing our thing, is we truly the coature?

Speaker 3 (02:12:18):
That's the thing.

Speaker 7 (02:12:18):
Eight is really a tract new part from Confident. That's
a platinum gangster rapper. He can Eminem wants to be him.
I know that sound crazy because Eminem SOALWD twenty million
hours rest assured. He wants to be MC eight or
Redman or Gift. This is why he does this now

(02:12:39):
obviously because it's more white people in America, right, they're
spending a bunch of money. He may have more success
with selling records because they gonna look at me like, hey.

Speaker 3 (02:12:49):
I can be that guy. But our job is to
hold the line truly with culture. Now, maybe it don't pay.

Speaker 7 (02:12:57):
Would Eminem get paid, Probably, it's probably not making with
Eminem getting the show, I'm sure it's maybe a couple
of million dollar different.

Speaker 5 (02:13:05):
For sure, but I'm sure Like if I get a
photy out to cigarettes, I do draw a line somewhere?

Speaker 3 (02:13:19):
Where's the line?

Speaker 4 (02:13:20):
The line?

Speaker 3 (02:13:21):
I would never listen to a conversation who want to do?
Who wants you? There's been plenty of dudes. He's asked
me and I told him no.

Speaker 4 (02:13:29):
Because he asking you, that means he told them. That's
because I'm on the fensive bottle.

Speaker 7 (02:13:33):
I'm like, okay, are you not on about you? Like,
I am not sitting down talking to that person.

Speaker 3 (02:13:39):
I am never sitting down with a klansman.

Speaker 4 (02:13:41):
I am never.

Speaker 3 (02:13:42):
I would love but listen, oh listen, this is what
I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (02:13:48):
When I say klansman, I mean somebody like, let's say
one of these ad agencies come to me and they say, hey,
we Donald Trump wants you to push this agenda. We're
gonna give you five minutes that was doing. But that's
why you got I mean, I don't want to give
it away.

Speaker 6 (02:14:03):
We can edit this part up, but that's why you
got future shows like like, well that's what that's what
That's what I would do.

Speaker 3 (02:14:12):
So I'm definitely playing example dog for something exactly from
which Donald I think I would love it.

Speaker 1 (02:14:19):
I think that to hear h Andre Tait on this
and I would learn to hear him on on the
just to hear because because he a gangster in his
own way here gangst in his own way.

Speaker 3 (02:14:31):
So something that was this is me and I agreed.
I was like that that's true.

Speaker 7 (02:14:34):
Like he's like, if you having sex to not make
kids ship, I was like, I ain't got no kids,
but that is true. It is pretty gay to not
be using your.

Speaker 3 (02:14:41):
Tea to make kids. That's not I don't know gay,
said what is it? He pushed it, he pushed it,
but he was He's right, like this, this is the purpose.

Speaker 4 (02:14:52):
But what is full ship?

Speaker 13 (02:14:55):
Like that.

Speaker 1 (02:14:57):
I said, talking about me, make get attention. He knew
get attention. I think I think, I think I would.
Another person, Rock Kim can be great. I was a
lot of talk to Rock Kim.

Speaker 4 (02:15:08):
I don't appreciate what my boy king said. He said,
rock Kim fell off his last few that was crazy,
he said, rock Kim fell off. And that's York Cats
whole they hip hop to such regard to August, almost
like you can't win with the motherfuckers if.

Speaker 3 (02:15:25):
You're not from Queens, if you're from the art.

Speaker 6 (02:15:28):
Though, like I said earlier, it's the machine and the
machines don't like what rock Kim talking about. If Rock
Kim is getting too evolved and too advanced and too wise.

Speaker 3 (02:15:37):
And having you know, and that's what happened, They're gonna
make it look like he fell.

Speaker 5 (02:15:41):
Off, Like he took you from uh, he took you
from Eric be as president to you know, social social
social issues.

Speaker 3 (02:15:51):
And that that makes people.

Speaker 5 (02:15:54):
I just knew talking holiness and spirituality and being you
put yourself and all that.

Speaker 4 (02:16:01):
I don't want to hear that. Yeah, I don't want
to hear that. I did draw a line. We all
made it, you know, we talked about it. We made
a decision when we had my man that was on
the show. Oh yeah, and he got you know, he
had the situation he had without going into it, HM,
me having a people, me having people in my family

(02:16:24):
who have done many years and gay they lines man
because somebody want to go deciding to drop the damn,
whether right or wrong, I can't in good conscience call
him on the phone and be with them. And I'm
coroborating with somebody. You asked Sammy on the show, But listen,
Sammy's not a part of this show. But he I'm
asking him questions about what he did and why. That's

(02:16:45):
a big difference. Though It's not like he was gonna
come here and be the third member. You know what
I'm saying, That wouldn't happen.

Speaker 3 (02:16:50):
I don't want ever, I don't.

Speaker 7 (02:16:52):
So let me say this as a gangst chronicles as
the first gang of practice, because I'm the first.

Speaker 3 (02:16:57):
Don't never put a snitch up here again. I don't
want to never hear snitch.

Speaker 4 (02:17:02):
And I understand why you feel that way, broke, and
you should feel that way. If my mama, you know,
if my mama was locked up and you know what
I you know what, I got you, bro that's the
end of the show. He got you, and that's the Jackson.

Speaker 1 (02:17:18):
Because well, but at least have Mike conception on one time,
because I was, I was, I was to hear him
speak one emergency back on you ain't.

Speaker 3 (02:17:30):
Stop the worst effect. Keep that quick.

Speaker 4 (02:17:40):
Get goodies, man. I've been looking online and I'll be
seeing you.

Speaker 3 (02:17:43):
Man.

Speaker 4 (02:17:44):
I am so proud of you. Dog. Let's give my
boys a man. You know a lot of times I
noticed when we open up businesses, instead of doing everything
in excellence, we may try to cut corners. Your packaging
is a one I saw your retail locations, bro, that
looked like a place I would want to visit, I

(02:18:05):
would want to frequent.

Speaker 1 (02:18:07):
It was all driven by Dad. Bruh, my father. Man,
he left me in eighteen, but you know, he told me.
I was living in l Ad, I was living in
the valley, and he told me he had cancer. So
I just started bringing him some of the products home
from California and it started half the uh, the pandemic
head And then.

Speaker 7 (02:18:27):
The first time they gave excuse me not to cut
you off. It's the first time they ever gave instruction.
Oh yeah, yeah, because people, you know, when they start
messing with edibles, they.

Speaker 3 (02:18:34):
Just go crazy. Yeah, two of them starting with half
of a gummy. Yeah yeah, it's eighty two.

Speaker 4 (02:18:45):
When I feel good, Now restructure.

Speaker 3 (02:18:48):
You feel good?

Speaker 4 (02:18:50):
Right?

Speaker 1 (02:18:50):
But yah, But no, it's just about really just educating
our people in another way instead of messing with the opiates.
A lot of the stuff that I'm always messing with
is healing. And like I just created like a non
alcoholic line of everything that we like to drink, Bourbon

(02:19:13):
and everything you could think about. I mock telled that
it took the alcohol out of put cannabis in it.
So really, I'm really teaching you that, hey, take the
alcohol out, put cannabis in it, and we create You know,
it's all the way because you're healthy, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 3 (02:19:30):
It really helps your body instead of destroying your body,

Speaker 1 (02:19:34):
At the same time, I'm giving the young kids an
opportunity to open up your own bar, a liquor store.
You could take my line and have your own bar,
and you ain't got to worry about the liquor license.
The new world is gonna be sober bars. This shit
is taken off in Atlanta. It's gonna take off in
California too. That's the next place that they gonna go

(02:19:57):
in the big the big alcohol the big alcohol companies
have already done studies.

Speaker 3 (02:20:03):
The z all all our kids.

Speaker 1 (02:20:06):
They don't drink alcohol like we did, so they already know. Yeah,
they their whole thing is gonna be infused drinks. So
that's the future and that's where the actual you know,
liquor companies are going next. So all of my products
is something that's gonna be able to help you. And
I just do I do this because I never sold
death in music, and I ain't gonna sell death this way.

Speaker 4 (02:20:27):
So it's it's just the way I could take. You
gotta applaud that, man. And I've noticed it because I've
been checking it out, and I've been checking you out
for a few years with it. And I said, man,
because you know, I thought, you know, being in California,
I thought they was legal. You know, I'm kind of
new to just consuming weed. No, I'm new, you know,

(02:20:48):
I'm new to consuming weed and ship like that.

Speaker 3 (02:20:50):
Right.

Speaker 4 (02:20:50):
So last time I was in Atlanta Christmas, down there
visiting QC and I get, I said, get, but I
want to get some. Me said, get me. I don't
say what we I got. You know, this is good stuff, man,
It's clean, you know what. Yeah, And the thing I
like about it, the thing I like about it is
a comedy thing you don't feel high like because I'm
gonna tell you, I fucked around and got some of that,

(02:21:13):
just because I'm a type of muffucker, like the expiritment,
I'm always doing some dumb shit. I got some of that.
What's that ship?

Speaker 1 (02:21:20):
That that ate?

Speaker 4 (02:21:20):
What's that ship? The ship they selling in the stores? Now,
what's that the Delta eight? Yeah, I got some Delta eight, right,
and I ate, you know, I'm always over because they
taste good too. I had some lemonade gummies, so I'm eating.
I'm eight about four, the motherfucker's driving. I get home.
I'm talking to my mom and her sister, and I'm
already gets cool. Then it hit me like I hit

(02:21:43):
two different levels. When I'm sitting there talking to them,
I'm like, damn, please don't say nothing stupid. Please don't
let them know I'm high, you know. And I was high, man,
I was high as a motherfucker. And I was like,
what is delta eight?

Speaker 1 (02:21:57):
Deltail is just another derivative of the other plant, you know,
I mean they keep Delta eight is like a point
three percentage. So you know, most of the most of
the people that they got corporate jobs, they want stuff
at that level because like once you start going into
the you know, gorilla glues and everything that that really
kills the average smoker. So like a lot of people

(02:22:18):
right now they're making money off the the th a
c A th A c A is point three when
it's not lit, but once you light it, it turns
into into regular marijuana. So it's just and see we
don't want We don't want the UH the buy the
open market here. They talk about it, but we don't

(02:22:40):
want it because true Leave True Live keeps trying to
shut down the actual market. See, if you shut down
the actual market, you're gonna take vapes away, You're gonna
take anything healthy away. And they're trying to take all
holistic UH supplements away. So they trying to put all
that stuff into one package and take it away. And
that's really what we're fighting. It gets you never want

(02:23:02):
your weed to go recreation. You always want to stay
at medical because it gives you more options than you
get better product.

Speaker 4 (02:23:09):
I think they don't school.

Speaker 6 (02:23:14):
Another note too, when we're talking about it, my website
West Coast dot com. I got it's not cannabis, but
it's ionic coloidal silver. So that ship and you know
you can research it for yourself.

Speaker 3 (02:23:28):
Just take my word for your work. Yeah, it was
like crazy.

Speaker 4 (02:23:34):
Minded me a castro, Well, my grandmama.

Speaker 13 (02:23:37):
Take the West Coast Campus Coast camp do coloidal silver's
peer review published literature on there.

Speaker 3 (02:23:47):
You know it's not snake oil.

Speaker 6 (02:23:49):
You know it's something that been suppressed by the the
f d A because you know it's natural mineral. Silver
is a natural mineral, so you you know, anything in nature,
you can't patent it, so you know, the FDAT or
drug you know, companies can't really make no money off of.

Speaker 3 (02:24:03):
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