Did Deon Sell Us Out

In this EP Eight, Steele and James examine Deon Sanders move from Jackson St to Colorado and the line of black folks from Mississippi to Compton mad at him

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(01:10):
Jake Man, you ain't seen eight in a couple of
weeks up in his motherfucker Eight come back looking like
he just on swoop like you've just been just I'm
trying to get on my how my nigga trade d
v all on Instay. I'll try your like my nigga
trade d You know what I'm saying. You know what
I'm saying, hit them, hit them weights and Ship. No,

(01:32):
I've just been sucking around, you know, uh with the kids.
You know what I'm saying, trying to get him ready.
So I figured Ship, if he gonna be working out
every day you don't give me, you know, trying to
get ready for the next level, then I might as
well get myself in there too. Yeah. Sure, looks like
you can two piece of nigga. Mm hmm what they do?

(01:56):
So are we cracking it off? What we What we
got to talk about? Man? You did you know what
I want to tell? I just want to start off.
And and you know, I know everybody been hearing about
my man Beon, right, m hmm. What's your opinion on that? Still?

(02:16):
I think Deon deal with the hell he was supposed
to do, and we as black people, got a bad
always trying to tell somebody what to do. Right. The
first thing about it is Dion went in the Jackson
State I think it was maybe three years ago, right,
turned the whole program around, spent his own money building

(02:37):
them a new practice field, spent his own money every time.
See the problem me was every time Dion went to
the administration to ask for some more, some money for something. Hey,
the keys need food or you gotta figure that out, Deon,
the keys need this. You gotta figure out Dan. For
Christ's sakes, how long is the man supposed to spend

(02:57):
his own money. It ain't like Dean ain't playing football
in twenty five years though. It's not like he had
a pile of money just sitting somewhere. I think Dean
did what he was supposed to do, because that's the
problem man. As black people, we have a problem of
speaking out of turn on somebody else's situation all the
time and not knowing what the hell we're talking about.
Half the time, it was people actually mad at Dean

(03:18):
standards for leaving the school. Dean did what he should
have did because the problem with them HBCUs Deon can
fix it by itself. Even if Dean would have went
over there and stayed there, all he would have been
just had the program where he would have been beating
the shell of every other team in his whack. Every
week that wouldn't have been no fun. Dan did what
he's supposed to do. Because I'm gonna tell you what
the problem is now in college football is we don't

(03:41):
have enough coaches that can relate to our kids. And
when I talk about our kids, you already got kids
coming in with PTSD at high school. You got the company,
and they suffered from property. So in some cases they
hundreds of miles from home and their mama don't got
no money to come there and see him. Right, So
you got this white coach, and shame bag. Is there
some great white coaches out there? Right? So this ain't

(04:02):
about black and white. This is about culture. When you
got a kid that's coming from the hood, he's gonna
come in a certain way. He's gonna be very raw
because in a lot of times, a lot of a
lot of cases, he hasn't had that parental father figure
in the house. You feel what I mean? Everybody is
not gonna be like Corn or Chris. Do you feel
what I'm saying? That got a daddy at home and

(04:23):
tell him what to do. So those kids need a
certain other level of attention, and sometimes that comes in
the form of a black coach. We got plenty of
black assistant coaches broke, but on the B one level,
it ain't. It ain't a lot of us. That's why
I always route for a brother when he gets them jobs.
I rooted for the brother Dante when he got the
job at s C and the interroom I wrote. I

(04:43):
rooted for the brother that not the dame when he
got that job. And I'm rooted for den in agenda
to where I'm gonna do this and then I can.
I mean, that's James, that's a lot of I mean,
if I'm m you talked to certain people, you know, uh, students, Uh,

(05:07):
people who represent hbc U, s um. You know, the
emotions are kind of mixed. Uh. Some people feel you know,
maybe he used Jackson State is a stepping stone, uh,
because he wanted to coach at Florida State and they
turned him down. So that's how you know. UM, so

(05:31):
that can have just been proven a point. But my
thing is, you know, um, at what level do you
feel like you know quote you know your blackness? Is
that question because you know, any time you working in

(05:54):
this situation, I mean, if you work, you want to
be promoted, right, you want to be you know the
quest of you as a man or getting to a
certain statue or status is to become there. You know,
if you start at the bottom, like they say, you
start out at the bottom and you want to reach
the top. So do you feel that his top plateau

(06:18):
should have stopped at Jackson State? I think you should
have just continued there because what you did with those kids,
the kids love that dude, and he did something like
I mean, he really worked with those cats. He won
football games. But you know to leave, why leave? Well,

(06:42):
he had to, James, because that's situation. There wouldn't have
gotten no better. Bro. See, look, let me explain something
to you and James, I understand why you feel the
way you feel. Right, There's a lot of stuff that
goes into running the program, right, especially when you start
talking about the difference between the Jackson State un Let's
say even UM even in Colorado, Colorado was not a UM.

(07:03):
It's a Power five program. But they have they've been
losing for a long time. Right, Even with that, they
have certain resources from the stadium to the food. The
kids heed to travel a lot of times in the swag,
those guys kicking the buses the games. So just imagine
you're getting off the bus on a twelve or eighteen
hour drive, right then you gotta go play a game.

(07:24):
You an't got no money for hotels. As soon as
you go out there and play the game, you're happing
right back on the bus and you're going back to
you know, you're going back home, right So I think
with dan Man, I don't think he hadn't hit me gender.
I think he would have stayed there had they done
the right things. But he spent a lot of his
own money, James. You know, he spent a couple of
million dollars building their practice facility for them his own money.

(07:47):
Every time he went to the administration to ask for something,
they would pretty much tell him, you handle it. After
a while, you gotta get tired. And plus, my thing
is this, you gotta think about eight Dean played football
a long time ago. He just sitting on a billion
dollars like that. I'm pretty sure his paper is straight.
But how long? And what's wrong with him? Progression? Because

(08:08):
he is my thing. White folks have the privilege of
going somewhere stand lying to a bunch of kids and
getting the funk on. They do it to nobody question them,
But we do it in progress. Everybody mad off us
and we gotta take the motion out of it. Man,
And he applaud him for the time they did have them,
because he did some great things for that program. He

(08:29):
brought a lot of light to it. And he taking
those kids with him because they just made a new
rule that a kid can transfer one time without a question.
He taking all those guys that came in with him,
So he ain't been disloyal to nobody. Unlike some of
these other coaches. They will go their recruit keids lied
to him, get their bonus and get on that. After
my son when he first went to college, man a

(08:49):
coach lied to him all the way up there. As
soon as my son enrote, the dude was out of there. Damn.
So it's a dirty game, man, And I'm not mad
at them for leaving Man not at least big can.
But can progression be I mean, like I said, yeah,
everything is to reach a certain point. Right. You're high

(09:14):
school football coach, you wanna maybe coach college one day? Right?
You're a college coach, you want to coach NFL one day? Right? Yes, sir,
is your loyalty and question because of your progression in
this and in this. In this case, probably yes, yes,

(09:36):
even though I don't. I don't agree with it, but
I feel because the average person thinks like James, you've
gotta understand. The average person at home don't know the
inner workings of football program. Hell, I don't know everything
that go on behind the scenes because I'm not privy
to it. Right, But on one case, I can see
where the brothers may be. Man Like man, Diann was
our savior. He was supposed to do this. He was

(09:57):
supposed to make the hbcun because at the time, I'm
not gonna lie. It was pretty exciting because I had
the thought of my head, like man gets amazing that
for all the five stars start going to xbc US
because he Back in the day, a lot of those schools,
like the Alabama's, Florida's UM, a number of schools didn't
even let black kids go to their school. This is

(10:19):
just in the sixties on up to the early seventies.
They didn't allow black kids to go there. And SC
was actually one of the only programs back in the
all black keys to play. That's what made Alabama changed
the whole thing around. Alabama had all these white kids
that have been winning games. USC went down there and
hooked their years. They couldn't stop them brothers. Was Compton

(10:39):
running the brothers long beach, running the rock on them.
It was too much that Bear Bryant said, funk this
a y'all got a change that I need me some
of them niggas down you're running the rock. So James,
if it was you, you you would have decided to stay
at Jackson Well. Not knowing the circumstances of his his
situation and just on the outside looking in, I would

(11:03):
have said, stay and build something. You know what I'm saying.
You know, it's more kids to come after the once
he just worked with. So you gotta look at longevity
when you're doing stuff like that. If you don't have
a hidden agenda, then my purpose is to reach all
the black kids. I can reach all the kids. I can't.

(11:26):
You know what I'm saying, Because if you look at
it when he first started with that, you had a
lot of guts that was but wow, and he taught
those young dudes. He talked. He talked those kids out
of the men. He made him grow up. Even with
the shooting ship and all the ship that was going on,

(11:46):
he schooled those kids he did, being honest, a good
kid I've had the pleasure to do. He has the
influence too, you know, a tract of a lot of
you know, like you say, a lot of like you say,
still a lot of four and five star black kids

(12:07):
who would have necessarily ended up probably at power five
schools maybe to go play for Dion. You know, they
would have, you know, took that chance. But again, Dion
only coach for Jackson State. Everybody can't go to Jackson State.

(12:29):
Do you think him staying there would have a lot
would have made other Black kids of that magnitude transition
over to other HBCU schools because of Dion. Every kid
want the best, right, every kid want to become a
better player. But if I can't go play for Dion,

(12:53):
why would I pass up going to an Alabama or
a Clemson to go to a s othern or Grambling
or one of these one of the you know, the HBCUs.
How do you think a kid would do that? Okay,
Deon termed Jackson stayed around. They hid in the HBCU,

(13:16):
you know, but Dion don't want me at Jackson State
or their scholarships is full. But I got three four
scholarships on the table from a USC Alabama, So should
I turn them down and specifically look to go to
an HBCU. How many kids do you think would actually

(13:36):
do that? You know what, obviously, d n c DN
is a special case of coaching. His magnitude NFL Hall
of Fame or one of the best dB, one of
the best corners, if not the best ever playing professional football.
Right if a kid get the opportunity, hell yeah, they
go think about it. They really exactly, they go really

(13:57):
really think about it. But at the same time, Jackson
State only has so many scholarships available. As I'm saying,
everybody can go play for him. I think the way
I look at it now is with him going to
a Colorado, He's going to be able to impact even
more kids because he's gonna have the resources. Now, he's
gonna actually have the program behind him. So I'm gonna

(14:18):
tell you Colorado about to put the bag behind him.
It's about to be craiging in Coloraddo like it was
when Eric de Enemy and it was there, exactly used
to being significant school where kids would want to go play.
I'm just saying, you know, uh, having that influence at
the HBCU level. You know there's only one Dion Sanders,

(14:43):
So how much influence would that have made other four
or five star black athletes want to go to HBCUs.
You get me because like again you know it's den. Yeah.
I if Deon give me an offer and I can
go down to Jackson State and play for Dion, That's

(15:05):
where I'm going. But if I can't get to Jackson
State and and am I front upon as a four
or five star black athlete by not going to an
h b c U, we you know what I do?
Notice eight, it's a lot of black kids not noticed.
The black kids that are signing up for the HBCUs

(15:27):
are from families to where they got resources. You know,
they're not necessarily rich people, but they can help their
kids out. Because the rough part about the HBCUs all
of them ain bad. Right, They got some of the
best educational programs around. And I think that's the problem
with the HBCUs. A lot of those chancellors and chairman
they are strictly focused on education. They don't give a

(15:48):
damn about football. They don't give them about basketball. It
was even um I heard a rumor now this is
just something I heard. I heard a rumor that Dion
had some kind of TV deal set up right to
where each school it was gonna be able to get
a certain amount of money, and I heard the chances
was like, well man sent that money got to go
to this and that to the science department of them

(16:09):
was like, no, if I go make this happen, that
money needs to all go to football program because we
brought it in. It needs to go towards building these
guys dorms. It needs to go towards getting a better
food because be honest that the food was horrible down
there when he first got you know, it was feeding
kids but only sam becausept of the game. Damn. Versus
You're going to an Alabama sc and they've got a

(16:32):
nice hot plate of food for you with steak, broccoli
and potatoes and stuff breakfast, lunch and dinner and anytime
you want to eat food and places for you to
go to kill and you know, you know we've I've
taken visits with the kid and all that. So it's
a it's a big it's a big chump you. Like
I said, Dion has a lot of influence, you know,

(16:55):
But how how much does that influence travel to kids
who actually can't play for him? Now do I go, Yeah,
I'm a I'm a I'm a star athlete. I'm being
looked at. But you know, outside of going to play
for Dion, do I want to go to play for HBCU.

(17:17):
Like you said, the money is scarce, some of the
facilities aren't up to par, you know, like, well what
from what we've heard? You know, I've been to a
couple of HBCUs in my days, performed or whatever, and
they always seem cracking to me. You know what I'm saying, schools,
they're not bad schools, and that's what I'm saying. Let

(17:39):
me bear for Let let me correct something right here
for all those people out there listening, I am not
against anyone attending an XBCU. I think you should do
what's best for you and your family. Again, do what's
best for you or your family. I wouldn't never try
to talk about you at the goring to one. I'm
just seeing in comparison and even of saying, who's a state,

(18:00):
it's difficult. Like San Jose States a Division one program, right,
they got better resources than they would at a Jackson
State or a Southern And you know one thing I
didn't like about the h b c U s or
small schools in general, when they play those big ticket games,
like they go out and play an Alabama or somebody,
and the key is out there getting slaughter, getting beat

(18:22):
eighted than nothing, just so the schools can get it checked.
That wasn't cool to me because you can bring them
dudes up there on the bus to drive eighteen nineteen dollars.
They go up, they get their ass, then get put
right back on the plus and get sent back on.
It's not a cool experience for the kids. And this
is what I want to do. See, my thing is this,
if we go hold Dan accountable. H b c US

(18:43):
have an incredible amount of wealthy alumni. Oprah Winfrey is
from an HBCU. How come y'all not pressing her about
giving no money back? How she didn't get pressed the building,
the stadiums. You got t rge G. P Henson, you
got Tony Braxton, You've got your line to Adams, you
got Jesse Jackson, You've got Debbie had An Erica I
do Felicia Reside, Samuel Jackson, Spike Lee. Now all of

(19:06):
those people and there ain't exactly in the big in
their club and everything, but they got some well people
on that list. How come your puff, p did he
come from HBCUs? It's been some there's some famous people
to come from HBCUs. They're not bad schools, not at all.
In some cases they have better educational programs than the
main schools. Buff a million dollars, didn't he? Yeah he did?

(19:28):
But you know what though, James yet Puffy gave money.
My my thing is this right, I think us as
a black people we can't help. But look at it
it it's kind of an emotional thing. I'm not looking
at it from the emotional standpoint because I would just
love because see, I remember I remember reading stories about

(19:48):
those schools, how the Alabama's and all of them wouldn't
even let brothers go there. If they did go that
they with sicking dogs on them and ship. You know,
people are still very prejudice down there, don't get it twisted.
There's still a lot of racism that go down there.
But again, Dion can only touch if he's at let's say,
Dean with the State at Jackson State. At the most

(20:10):
he's gonna be able to touch fifteen to seventeen new
recruits every year. Right, those guys come in. Everybody not
going to the NFL first of all, just because you've
got dean coach. No, don't you just gotta guarantee lock
to go in NFL. Going to the NFL and actually
even making the practice roster is like going to go
win a lottery ticket because there are so many good

(20:32):
football players. It's a whole lot of them. They only
go trash so many. They only have so many rooms.
They only bring a ninety in the camp, and they're
cutting them down to fifty two. You got fifty two
people on the team, and not the fifty two men,
only fifty I think fifty one of them dressed or
something like that might be wrong. So then you've got
a six team on the practice squard, right, So you

(20:52):
only got so many jobs out there anyway. Right, the
whole goal for you is to take you after school
and get education, right, become somebody in life. And that's
what I tell more kids. We have to start looking
for opportunities outside of actually playing the game of being
a coach, because the coach go always outlast the player.
Those brothers are making incredible money. Now, I was talking

(21:14):
to the defensive back coach sc one day, and he
was telling me, Man, when he left Oregon, he still
had some money from there, right. I think they still
owed him like two million dollars. And when he left
um Nebraska to go to Oregon, Oregon old him three millions.
Nebraska owed him three million dollars, right, so they was

(21:35):
paying him in three million dollars. Over the next season
he went up to Oregon picked up another five million,
went s s Eaton got him six seven million. That's
not a bad gig. He's not damaging his nerves, he's
not damaging his knees, he's not damaging his back, he's
not getting the head entries. He they're just coaching football.
So we gotta start looking at those type of opportunities too.

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And now, in regardless the dion, the only one that
knows what his true intentions was him and Jesus Christ.
But I'm cool with what he did because I'm gonna
tell you, white guys go to these programs and leave everything. Dog.
They're going there for one year, user it's a stepping
stone and go up. I've even seen coaches go to
a school be there for two or three months. And
then get another opportunity like the contract. Theyre buy that

(22:19):
contract out. They had other school by the contract out
and they get on. They don't get a funk. Dog,
I'm gonna be real with you. Beyond cares more about
these coaches than the average coach. The average coaching Division
one football don't give a funk about these kids. They
just use them. You can just tell, man, from when
they come in and you think about the average coach.
These coaches they come and sit in your living room

(22:41):
and tell you, oh, man, your counts could be CREATI
I'm gonna treat him like he's my own. You're going
through it right now, and I'm gonna treat him like
he's my own. Guess what they're doing. As soon as
they leave your house, they're gonna go tell the dude
next door the same ship. They're going to kid down
the street. So my advice to anybody out there, pick
the school that you want to go to, and pick
that school that you would be happy. Yet irregard with

(23:03):
the coach yet, because that coach may leave one day.
Because you gotta remember, we're dealing with people and the
loyalty to these the only keys to these coaches are
loyal to is the ones living in your house with him.
And I'm not mad at that. White folks do it
all the time. They're allowed to leave, they allowed to go,
and don't nobody said, damn thing. Well, it's a business
as part of the game. But the moment the brother
want to advance and go through his thing, all that

(23:25):
motherfucker sellout. He this and that. You know what. I
was excited when Dianne went to the Jackson State, but
I knew what I said. Man, it's gonna take more
than just him. We're gonna need like a whole influx
of new people come in. Everybody gotta want to come in,
you feel saying. And then you got a Shannon Sharp

(23:46):
he said, it's straight up, he said, I went to
an x b U. That's because I was a prop
forty eight nine. You have no choice. If I had
had the choice chance to go to Alabama, Florida stinks.
You've damn right, I would have been there, right. Why not?
You think about the James. These kids want the bestness apparents.
You want the best for your kids. Think about Line
on Line will look kid. Now, Let's say Line started

(24:06):
playing football and become the number one dude in the country,
and you're going on visits with him. You're going to
Alabama looking at their stadium, You're like, damn, they're feeding
you steak out, man, that I got this the recruiters
tips light you want to eat steak for a whole year, man,
I ate so many steaks and and just step three
or four times. Their people kissing your ass and doing
all this stuff. If you're a kid, that could be

(24:28):
very enticing. You gotta think about it. These dudes team
mateen years old. That's very enticing. And then Dion was
able to do the impossible by going to go U
get these elite kids. He's those some kids from Alabama.
Dion got to the point of where Nick Salem was hating,
No Nick Saban get any kid he wanted from University Alabama.

(24:51):
And add it was how the Dion mentioned and said,
I think they down that sheet and playing and paying kids.
It's like that was some old hater ass ship. I
didn't respect. I don't respect the old way for that.
But Dion definitely made a splash down there. And the
only thing I can say for Jackson State is you
already have the momentum, they need to focus on trying
to hire them another great coach, because they gotta think

(25:13):
all of them kids can't leave and go with d M,
but a lot of meals leaving to go with him.
He said that when he came in, he said, listen,
I'm bringing my own luggies for me and my lucky
just Louis Vatton. He's gonna go. He's gonna make up
splash in the Pac twelve. And I'm gonna tell you
why I do think it's good on one on one
talking James, it's very hard for African Americans to kick

(25:36):
jobs these universities. The more success we have, the more
people see its successful, the more they go hire. We
need more brothers working at these Division one universities. Hell,
ain'ty percent of the kids on the team black? Why
not have more black coaches? Right right? I ain't really

(25:56):
in the football like that, but you know, I've been
watching him and I look at him and shape man,
that dude doing a good thing. And like you said,
he spent a lot of his money on it. But
but if my kid was there, I have to make
that decision from my kid. Both of y'all got shows
that played football, so y'all know better than me. You

(26:17):
know what I'm saying. So well, you would always have
us to go back and talk to James, you like
I know him, this what's going on. I'll be able
to get you a fight. And a lot of the James,
it's really just common sense. Like I talked to eight
about nephew, I talked to a lot of the homies
about their kids and not tell them at the end
of the day, you want to go somewhere because they
ain't nothing guaranteed that coach gonna be there. That's one

(26:37):
thing these kids gotta know. You go to a university,
it ain't guaranteed that the man that brings you wind't
gonna stay there. I told my son that when he
was going. I said, man, I know, these dudes seem
cool and they're not bad people. They're just doing what
that's for their family. You think about it, this is
the average coach's career. The average coach jumps around just
like that. That's what they do. Your figure dude gets

(26:58):
out of college, he may play football. That's he goes
to the league and played for two years. Right, he
gets done with that, got his degree and stuff. He
gets a coaching job. He comes in as a grand assistant, right,
which is like a pretty much the lowest one on
the team, right, or he either goes into being a
recruiting coordinator. He comes into being and becomes a recruiting coordinator,

(27:20):
or he becomes a person in scouting, right, you know,
recruiting to where he's messing with the kids and stuff
like that, bringing me in on business, you know, calling
the kids up and everything. Now, if you come in
as a chie you're not making that much money. But
if you're coming in as a like a recruiting coordinator,
I think they start off a hundred hundred fifty thousand
a year, which is not bad for a young man.
That's not bad at all. He gets to travel, he

(27:42):
gets to you don't do what he do and what
happens he is somebody usually calls that guy that's a
recruiting coordinate, the grand assistant for a job. He sees
an oldenness somewhere. The next year he gone. He may
go somewhere. He may be in North Dakota for a
year being a defensive back coach. But what he's doing
his building his resume. Right, he goes north to COVID.
It becomes a defensive back coach for one or two years.

(28:03):
Then he finally may get his opportunity at a big university.
They may come call and he may have success at
that small school, but then he decides, Um, he may
get a University of Acre, which Division one school, and
say hey, we got a job for you. Now he's
going from making a hundred to four hundred five hundreds
in a year. Right, he may do that for three years.

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He may be there for five years. But then when
the Alabama's the Prascas and all that coming, especially if
he gets a defensive coordinator job and he's one of
few games. Let's say he goes to University of Acre
and he knocks off on the Ohio State one year
or knocks off Michigan State. He could be the hottest
dude in the country. Everybody go be like everybody wants
the young coach. That's what makes Lincoln Riley and all

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these other dudes so attracted people. These guys are young.
Lincoln Riley I think when I first met him, I
think he was thirty four, thirty five years old or something.
I went out to the business. Chris wanted to go
usit Oklahoma he was young, because that's attracted to the kids.
He's wearing the same shoes they do. He talked the
same thing in some case, listening to the same music.
So he's able to communicate with those kids versus old

(29:10):
ass man. It's out there yelling and bargain at him, right,
and so it gets going in one thing about it,
like you got coaches out there like Nick Saban, who
are very very good football coaches, very good football case.
I think Nick Saban on Ben He's been in the
National Championship Game eight how many times in the last

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decade maybe seven and six a lot. He's always there.
He consistently wins. Right, But Dion was getting he Deon
struck a nerve with him me and this is a
dude that shouldn't even be thinking about den Nick Saban said,
Dion down that cheating because he has stole the player
from He stole the player from Nick Saban. Well, he
didn't steal a player, he convinced the player to come

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to his program. I think Dean is gonna go to
Colorado and be very successful, and I think is gonna
be good for everybody at the end of the day.
But Dionne couldn't single Hi Himley saying they say the swaging,
no way, I think he was down there. I'm not
gonna say he was wasting his time, but if he
thought he was gonna go down there, revolution the way
stuff was changed. Man, there's too much money involved. Either

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needed a whole bunch of paper. He would have literally
needed somebody like Oprah Winfrey to come in and say, listen,
I'm gonna make a forty million dollar donation to the
SWAG and that wouldn't even been enough money would have
been I think I think people just because of you know,
you know, people saying he brought in thirty million dollars

(30:37):
and he brought in the you know, the big businesses
and people who wouldn't have normally wanted to funk around
with you know, Jackson State or HBCU whatever. You know,
he got people to start. You know, I want the
want the funk around with it. So I guess people
taking personal. You know that you know him as a

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black man first, you know, knowing the influence he could
have on you know, these black kids. Um could could
his influence start a fluctuation of of of black NFL
x NFL players or coaches or whatever to you know,

(31:23):
seek out hvc US for coaching jobs or offensive coordinator jobs.
And you know who knows you do know what the
thing was? And that was one of the things. D
brought him a nice staff down there. But from what
I heard, guess it was being guess who got the
money together? The thing the staff he did. He was

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telling the man, I need to pay my gosh, you know,
these guys are here working sixty seventy hours a week.
So let me ask you another question, knowing what. Basically,
when he took the position, he already he knew what
he was up against, right, I mean it's Jackson State,

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you know, um what you know what was they you know,
what was their record before Dion showed up. They weren't
winning too many games. They were very dismal program. So
the excitement, I guess, and the hope for what uh

(32:25):
h uh, you know, Jackson State or HBCU or alumni
or whatever, past students whatever, I guess, the hope of
what they felt that Dion could have influenced to help
the HBCUs or the programs is why a lot of
people felt like, you know, uh, he used us or

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you know, why not stay and keep that influence here
and help out. You know, But like I say, once again,
would it be beneficial? You know what you James, what
you turned down five million dollars when you're getting to
fifty three hundred a year as opposed to getting five million.

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Like I said, all depend It depends on the kids. Now,
you gotta look at what dem went through with that program,
and now that he had a successful program, now they
want him to stay and they think he should have stayed.
But he said, I beg do different. I'm gonna going
and do bigger and better things, and I'm gonna take

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my kids and I'm gonna I'm gonna keep going. I'm
gonna do something else, but somewhere else. I mean, I
don't think you could be mad at him. It's just
a decision that he made. So why is everybody piste off?
Why is it all of a sudden now, oh prime time?
He arrogant? He is he that you don't hear that

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about everybody else? Man? Because some people feel like he
he used us as a stepping stone. I mean, but again,
and is that is it? Like my quest is to
excel right, and uh that that's my if I'm in

(34:13):
the world, whatever I do, whether whether if if I'm wrapping,
My quest is to say a lead right right if
if if I'm working that a company and I'm starting
at the bottom, I one day want to become the
fucking prisoner. I will hold this motherfucker right, That's my goal.

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Nobody thinks small. Right if you that ambitious cat, you
get me like we we the podcast, whatever we do.
We wanted to go from here to here. So you
want to you are? Are you looked upon? And then
why are you frowned upon? Or or you just used

(34:59):
me as a step in stop? But this is what
I think eight and I'm being serious about it. Let's say, hypothetically,
let's say he did have a plan all along. Right,
Let's say he did have a plan all along, because
I'm gonna play Devil's advocate for a minute. Dion has
coached his kids at every level, which is rare. Right,

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He coached his kids in Pop Warner. It's time for
him to go to high school. That dude went abroad
a high school dude. He made his own high school
and put some studs around his kids made his high school.
When now he was done, his kids out of high school.
He would have got him a job at Jackson State.
Now he's moved him up. I'm pretty sure in the
back of his head he said, you know what, his

(35:42):
son quarterback is a bad motherfucker. He threw for like
four thousand yards, ran for like another thousand something like that.
I believe could be wrong, but but he was a
good quarterback. He knows that kid is never gonna have
a chance in hell to winning the high sman out
of his wack, right. The level of competition just ain't
the saying. He's gonna had to be a somewhere at
minimum like a Colorado. You feel what I'm saying exactly.

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Let's say he did have in his mind that I'm
using these places to step the stones. Everywhere he left
was better. He left a better condition than it was
when he came. It's almost like somebody coming up here
and burrowed my tie hole. They brought my tie ho
they bring it back and say, oh man, I wrecked
your tie hole. But guess what, and he pull up

(36:26):
in here in a new Bentley truck or something like that.
I'm not gonna be mad. He left. Everywhere he was
had a better condition, Like I think he genuinely cared
about the places he was at, but he might have
had in his mind the whole time, like I'm gonna
follow my kids up with this whole thing, and my
thing is this. I can't sit up here in line
and say I wouldn't do the same damn thing if
I could, if you had the power, if me and

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you had the power, dog to say, we go coach
our key to every level. Let's say Karin go to
school and they say, hey, we think you a hell
of a coach. They offer you a coach and uh,
and you can mess around in there. Let's say even
if you're not coaching your kids, you're just getting to
be around him everything. Right now, Let's say he'd mess
around to go to the NFL and they said, you

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know what, a we really like you as a coach.
We're gonna bring you in a scout now, you with
your kids. If you could do that, when you do it,
you goddamn right. That's what I'm saying. We expect people
to hold up to expectations. We won't do our damn selves.
We expect stuff by the people, we won't do ourselves.
I'll be sitting up there lying like a motherfucker if
somebody offered me an NFL job and I knew I

(37:32):
could help my son out, not just my son, possibly
old son, possibly Lionel down the line here. Yeah, I'm
gonna go take you to put me in a position apart.
I can put kids home, right, I can put kids
on and change their life and give them an opportunity.
So I think we get mad sometimes that people for
doing the same ship we would do. And it's not

(37:53):
like let's eat now, I'm I'm even playing Devil's advocate.
Let's say he had in his mind planning it, he
went down and spent money, got don it for the program. Now,
I'm gonna tell you what to be real fun up
if all them people that was looking out for him
and don't neate money to the program just because Dean
gonna stop doing it. No, you have to be genuine
with two attentions. If you go get that kids some

(38:13):
money and do for him, keep on doing for him,
regardless of whether it's Dean coaching there or motherfucking m
c A coaching here, do the same ship. I mean, yeah,
I mean, I'm you know, I mean, you know the
attitude to people, so you know, it's just unfortunate that
you know, you can try to put yourself in a
better position. But you know some people look at it

(38:35):
as you know, um, when it comes to our people,
you get me. We're very opinionated about certain situations. And
you know, half of us gonna be like, hey, good decision, man,
step up, you know, next level, and the other half
of us gonna be like, that's some fucked up ship.

(38:58):
You know. So sports always bringing out the emotions and people.
It's the same thing. And when when Lebron left Cleveland,
you know, I'm gonna die hard Cleveland Cavaliers fan from
the Bron from Cleveland Browns, like everything Cleveland. That's my seat.
That's where I'm from. When Lebron left Cleveland, after us
having that shitty team from decades, me watching them motherfucker's

(39:21):
lose game after game. The last time, the last time
Cleveland was good was when they had um, when they
had the one team, not the Calves good. Remember back
in the eighties when the Calves had a decent basketball team, right,
so just imagine meat, we had a sorry yes football
team the whole time growing up. The thing we finally
winning out and it's with a niggad is from the land.

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That's with a nigga is from Ohio. When he left, Dog,
I'm not gonna lie. I was pitched off the motherfucker.
I didn't go by burn his jerseys and ship, but
I had to sit back as a chrons man and understand, man,
his motherfucker making more money than me. I'm sitting up
there worried about what the funk he got going on.
He needs to go do what the hell is best
for him and his family, right because he will tell

(40:02):
you this. He knew Lebrown left he still do a
game and ship for a while. Dolf North, he said, well,
this dude don't open up school, he don't feed people,
he don't build houses for people. He still goes back
and does what he needs to do for his community.
You feel what I'm saying, and is the level of
the level which people you know and uh opinion makes

(40:28):
ship is you know it goes to a real high level.
Because it's like you said, why do I shaid, why
should I give a fuck? If that? You know, he
making a decision, making a decision that he feels is
gonna better him as a person, better the situation, better
for his family. And that don't mean I ain't gonna

(40:51):
still influence uh my people, you get me. I'm still
gonna encourage black youngsters to, you know, do what they
can do and go to school, get your education, whether
you come in here to Colorado or you're going to
Jackson State or any other motherfucking place. You feel me.

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So it's it's unfortunate that the motherfucker gotta feel like
you know, you used me, you know what I'm saying,
And now you've been to take off and go to
the greener pastures. And who's to say it's gonna be greener.
You didn't gotta make some of that money, but he
just over there paper still that money back. Ship we've

(41:44):
seen you know, Dogs and James. We all around the
same dazed group. When you get older, you stopped thinking
with less of motion. It's more about ship for what
it is, you know what I mean. It's like he
ain't nonna need to get said. Man, that motherfucker he
when he was a motherfucker Jackson. They have one way
to me. I don't care what they're gonna do, to
be honest with you, because the thing he was, man,

(42:06):
he left that motherfucking good shape. They got a new
practice field out of him. They got all kind of
read it, all got responsor stuff. He going on about
his business. He's gonna go coach his kids. Now, I'm
gonna tell you if I'm gonna laugh like a motherfucker,
wont of them to get prefer if he wants to
on the nfiling coach, I'm gonna laugh like a motherfucker.
Let me tell this curve ball right, because it's our songs,

(42:30):
some mothers ship. But Dion didn't he didn't, you know,
he didn't leave like you said. He didn't leave the
school and shambles. Uh, he didn't, you know, leave a
bad stain. You know, we gotta winning record, we're going
to the bowl game and all of that ship. But

(42:54):
and everybody really piste off and the ship. But we
we still ain't We still ain't talked to about Uh.
We still ain't focused on Brent far and then stealing
money from the people of Mississippi, and that's swelling money
out and and fucking over the welfare fund to try
to get a fucking volleyball court built. But we focused

(43:16):
on beyond leaving because he wants to go get a
better job. It's crazy how motherfucker's picking shoes what they
want to focus on. Uh in in in certain situations,
you get me right, you know what broke and it's
always gonna be like that. Just like I said, it's coaches.

(43:39):
They don't don't way worse than beyond. I've seen coaches
bring a hole frock the lower the keys in and
leave the next motherfucking day because you know, some of
those guys get bonuses for signing certain kids. Right, I've
seen them. Dudes come in and get their bonuses and
get the funk on. Don't nobody say nothing about it.
But the kid is sucked over because he may be
at a school he never He may be a school

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just because of that coach, just because he liked them.
That's why I tell these young men we have to
start learning to see in some instances, ain't nothing wrong
with being selfish. You have to do what's in the
best for you because everybody else is doing what's best
for them. Now, that don't mean you go fund people
over or you know, you always want to carry yourself
A classic conviction, right, But me knowing that as a

(44:23):
little kid, if I was a kid going to a school,
now I was, for one, pick a school that I
knew I was gonna be cool that regardless of whether
this motherfucker there or not, I wouldn't leave and go
too far away unless it was somewhere that I really
like want to be at. Like there's some kids dog
that they're bringing to go to university, and um, it
may be a cat string to go to a house

(44:44):
state Alabama or se. They don't get, but then who
they head coach us if they bring to be there,
so they're gonna be straight whatever. Right, you have to
go into situations with the mentality that I am going
to make the most of my opportunity, because really that
coach didn't do nothing wrong with you. Here you opportunity
to change your life because you can become whoever you
want to become in college, do education right, he gave

(45:06):
you opportunity to get He didn't take the scholarship when
he left. He gave you a scholarship. So he's telling
you for five years you are going to be able
to come here to get you a masters to the
baxtor's degree possibly a master's may have a possibility of
going to the NFL. Hell, if the NFL don't work out,
you have a degree, you have a very good life
right alone. As you got that, bro, that's all you

(45:28):
can ask for this. I've never left. I've never left
no situation my son was in feeling like somebody owed
him something because I feel like everything is on him.
It's like, okay, you at the end of the day,
you still have to go to class and perform. You
still have to perform on a football field. So it's
all with him. Anyway that coach is there, don't guarantee
him none of that because you still gotta go play.

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It's just like Dean's kids, Deon being the dad. You
don't necessarily mean they're gonna get drafted in the first
round either. You know God, you know God will and
everything work. I'll find from But ain't no guarantees and
that stuff. People, It hurt, stuff happens, you feel what
I'm saying. So it's like, at the end of the day, man,
we all we come in this world by ourselves, and

(46:09):
we're gonna leave his motherfucker by ourselfs So we gotta
stop being so dependent on the next man, whether they black, white, brown, red,
or whatever. They need to do their thing. You know,
I see all these people writing articles and I say, man, wow,
coaches lead programs every day. I've never seen nothing get
talked about it wrote about like this. Man, there's a

(46:30):
lot of piste off people. Man, there are a lot
of pisched off people right now. Yeah, it is. And
I really think eight at the end of the day, Bro,
this is what I believe. I think the man. I
don't think he's a messed up dude. I've actually talked
to Diane before. Dean is one of the coolest people
I don't ever talked to. He's a real person. He
tell you how he else. And I'm gonna tell you what.

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I didn't like all of these people talking ship behind him.
When Dean was down there, he was kind of like
the going to the conference. I saw the most unprofessional ship. Ef.
You had another black man to play the NFL that
coached one other teams. Dion went out there whooped his ass. Right.
He didn't want to shake the man's hand, first of all,

(47:12):
but we're playing sports, man. Sports always has to be
about carry. Not to sound like the old fogy, but
it's certain stuff you don't do in the football field. Eight.
When we was young, you did not shake your opponents here,
no matter what happened, whether you beat their ass eighties
something nothing, whether they booked your ass adie something that
you shook hands, you walked across the fields, you played
the game was honoring class, especially you were head coach.

(47:35):
I could see kids being mad at not shaking the
enemy's hand like fun, that we're not going out there
and not with the motherfucker's the thing he was bro
at the end of the day. You had people treating
him like ship when he was down there. That was disrespectful.
That coach let his kids disrespect Dion comes out of
what the hell is punk? As you know. I mean,

(47:58):
my thing is this, if I ever have I gonna
college football coach and this keid on my team calling
our position coach, you know that man, You're not playing
on my team no more. You suspended I was calling
Ship man. That just that was. Yeah, it's still ain't
cool because we have to address all that. See, we
can't point the finger at one thing and not call

(48:19):
the other stuff out it. It's like even when Jerry
Jones gave that whole backhanded ass comment. You know how
Jerry Jones respond to Lebron for pointing that out, Like
why are you harut asked me about Jerry Jones being
the picture with all the races, right, he's saying it's
something like he made sure to say what Lebron has
made the most opportunities and made a lot of money.
People have made a lot of money with me too.

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First of all, man, you're not giving nobody nothing For
every million dollars you don't spend on a football player,
you don't probably made five a team, So knock it off.
It's a business, you feel what I'm saying. A business. See,
I'm gonna tell you all something. The whole business of
football is designed for to win games. Right. In the NFL,

(49:04):
it's about money. That's why you have guys um that
may have certain stipulations in their contract, like if they
get voted into the Pro Bowl. If you get voted
into the Pro Bowl, they gotta give you a bonus, right,
Or if you if you were a starter for so
many players, they gotta give you a bonus. I guarantee you, man,
you ask any players don't play in the NFL, they

(49:25):
would tell you when they're close to getting that bonus.
A coach with mysterious they put their ass on the
bench because these owners do not want to pay out
that bonus. They may say, hey, man, such a section.
If you know, if this motherfucker played five more plays,
we gotta pay his ass two million dollars. They were
six year ass down with the quickness or have a
doctor tell you that you asked that you heard of

(49:46):
some bullshit like that. You see what I'm saying. It's
a fucked up business, dog, so you gotta treat it accordingly.
Now that don't mean you go out there and disrespect people,
but you have to go out there with it in
mind that it ails a business. So any and everything
what happened, See, this is my prediction with college football anyway.
Eight It's always the key is to Peter Price right.

(50:08):
That's why they slowly changed the transfer route because they
would tell kids like, how do you gonna tell a
kid he can't transfer somewhere and you're living? Coaches great
contracts and league left them right. I don't understand this
era because of my day. They' you remember this when
you signed a recording contract of motherfucker's obligated to give
you this in that contract. It didn't like that the
football football was only I couldn't put out a motherfucking

(50:33):
record and then go, oh yeah, I didn't promote my
record good enough. So I'm about to hit the motherfucking
label portal and hey, hey, every other label, I'm free now. No,
he once, once I signed a contract, I had to
give the motherfucker a certain amount of records, and I
was locked in for a certain amount of years. Exactly

(50:55):
they made it. They make it down to where if
motherfucker could fit in. And let's look, a lot of
the ship is for exposure and for the bread now,
because let's face it, if if, if I'm a hot
nigger at one place, right, but we're mediocre, but I'm hot, right,

(51:17):
I could jump in this motherfucking portal, man, and now
a motherfucker where I couldn't where I originally, where I
couldn't go, Nigga could snatch me up. Now you feel me.
He has got to be careful in that portal, bro,
because they say something like I think is something I
could be wrong. I wanted to be throwing numbers around,

(51:37):
but a good percentage of those kids that go in
the portal don't get picked up by other kids. And
I'm gonna tell you the other thing I don't like
about the portal is the fact that it takes away
from the high school recruise. Yes, it does. You see,
football has to be a game. High school was the
life force of college football. Right if we start cutting
that to where a coach say, but man, should I

(51:58):
ain't gonna go get Why why might we go sign
Karan from I here when I can get a dude
that don't play even if he didn't play that much. Hell,
he was on He was on Alabama's um played the
special teams in Alabama for two years. I'm gonna bring
them in. What it what it turns into? Bro? The
game is slowly turning into a pro game. But the
only kids people not benefited from it as the kids.

(52:18):
The coaches making millions of dollars. The schools are making
millions of dollars, right, everybody except the kids. Now they're
giving these kids these looking in a lot of things,
but the school they're not getting them the money from
the TV stuff that they are free to get sponsors
for people if they wanted. Somebody decided to come in
and get christ and hundred dollars that year, he could
take it, right, But he wasn't getting under that TV

(52:39):
money and none observes the winning and that other stuff.
But I do eaty body they needed in the IL.
Just start breaking these kids off and leting them participate
in the thing because they come into the same ship
professional athletes doing. Now. Hell, they can cut a kid
in college football now, which is what was crazy to me,
because one thing I always understood about college football, and
I tell everybody that from my kid on the yours
and everybody else line, when you start playing, you are

(53:02):
not guaranteed a starting job. When you go Twitter university.
You have to go earn that motherfucker. You gotta go
take a motherfucker's ship. And please believe, no matter how
well you play that year, they're bringing in somebody the
next year to replace your ass, and they're bringing somebody
in a year after place that guy. Right. I'm fine
with that. But this whole thing about coaches going to

(53:23):
schools and sign the contracts and making a commitment to
be somewhere, my thing is this, If you sign a contracts,
if you go be somewhere for three years, you need
to honor your motherfucking contract and stay your ask there.
You should have to stay there because you made your
decision to go because you were impacting other people's lives,
not just your own. You got kids, that's coming over there.
So I walked there. I go on the road to

(53:45):
all season. I go visit your house. I go visit
James house. I go over the tail line. Man, I
really love you, man, we have fun. I'm gonna make
you the fish linebacker that you could possibly be one
people one people won't and Line don't trust me. See
look he is and trust people they meet people. Look,
kids are very impressible. That's why I'd never have asked
admitted to coach the team. That's why I ain't coached

(54:06):
the last few years eight because I couldn't commit to
the time because my thing is this, Man, I'm not
going out working with no kids heads. I'm might gonna
go out there and they get used to seeing coach
steal around and I'm there one day, ain't there the
next and this and that. I see how Line will
get a text to me. Remember Line on somebody at
one time and say it, Man, you forgot to get
me hug. Kids get at taxed to adults. I don't
care if they little like that, dude to they seventeen

(54:28):
and eighteen. You see, you still got an host for
the kids that's been been coaching for eight because they
attached to you. You will be whoever better than their brain.
This coach has these kids as coached. These kids coming
out of high school feel the same way. They go
there and trust people, and then it's a mind funk
almost because you looked up man, dude just set up
my living room at To me, they should have the

(54:50):
right to get the funk on if they feel that way,
especially if they don't have some motherfucker slip talk they
asked and the going there. Because I'm gonna tell you,
these coaches funk with kids heads. Man. It got so
bad over here. Man, while I had motherfucker's over my
house at eleven o'clock at night, dog trying to convince
my son. On the day of signing. Dog, my son
was just crying it. When it came down to sign

(55:11):
he was just round his motherfucker like this because he
got one person pulling in this way another person. And
you gotta think about it, bro, all of these schools
are very nice schools. You go to all of them,
you want to commit to all of them when you
go because it's all the same because they're showing you
the best parts of everything. They're taking you to the
coolest places. They're taking You're treating you like a star.

(55:34):
You go to the hotel, You've got candy all in
there and all kind of ship. You know what I mean.
You're doing your thing. They're taking you out, showing you
a good time. When you get that ship and nothing
like that, you're like, where is all the fans? There
are there? You're here now, motherfucker, you're here now. Man.
I think it's just a fucked up situation. Man. I

(55:56):
actually wish Dion the best of lucky in this new endeavor.
Man with me for him, no matter how bad to get.
What I don't want to have happened is that he
goes to and have a disaster of a season, because see,
we can't afford the funk up he when we do
something wrong. We've not looked at as individuals. They put
it on the whole black race because I know in

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the back of their mind. And then they said this
for the longest, like they say, we couldn't play quarterback,
or they're not smart enough to play quarterback. They can't
throw the ball, they're not intelligent enough um, all they
can do is run. We proved that wrong. They said
we can't coach football. We proved that wrong. There are
a number of different now there. I don't know if

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we ever have a black owner in the NFL. Hopefully
that happens one day. But as long as we got
the system of the way it is, man, it's a
need to repair. Because I'm gonna tell you what's about
to happen. Eight. You got these springing leagues like the
usf L and the XFL, And what people are not
paying attention to. The XFL is putting their thing that
open to people out of high school and college. So

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I'll be honest with you. And the XFL paying for
people to go to school. They're leting you do on
school online. So if you didn't finish your degree or
need to go, you know, get your degree, they're paying
for that, even if you're not there, No more right,
they're paying for that. So you think about it. If
you're a high school kid that ain't really feeling a
traditional school like that, no more right. It's just some kids,

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that's it's students, but they just don't like school. They
don't like going to sit in the class for nine hours.
They're going there to play football, right, So you think
about it. If you're running back, Let's say you're running
back from Domingus and your family not really doing cool
cook cool because the only people with that in their
lives ship making money is quarterbacks and offensive players, right them.
The dude is making big money. If you're a corner,

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you can make sixty fifty dollars, you're doing great, but
you're not going They're not gonn getting them a million
dollar deals like these other kids don't got right, you know,
like to do the sc already a million there, dude,
Bryce said, Alabama already a millionaire. But those positions that
they can demand that type of money, right, you have
to be realistic by it. Me myself, if I'm the

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number one running back coming out of high school and
I don't like school, I barely made it up, that motherfucker.
I'm considering going to the XFL and playing the spring
because the thing is, there's the ticker to it, right.
You don't have to go to college to get traffic
in NFL. Now, the whole keep the NFL. Now, if
you're an n C double A player, that's the way

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it works, right. If you're n C double a player, right,
you have to go to school for at least three seasons. Right,
You're not making no money during that time. You gotta
do this and do that. And you could go there
and get fucked over. You can have your coach puts
you when the bench talk bad about you when you
don't get traffic. Right. But if you're a guy comes
out of high school, I think the XFAIL top off

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of maybe seventy, which ain't no bad money for playing
fucking ten games of football. You know you're making seventy
racks and held the or the backs in there making
half a million dollars. You know, the quarterbacks always make money.
That's what I'm like. Damn they get ten times like
wave more money than the regular you know players, right,
But the quarterback is the man and the team. Right,
So I'm thinking like this, like you're looking at J. T.

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Daniels that came out of Mother Day. You know he
got hurt of s C and him been a couple
of bad situations, right, he would have damned they have
been best to come out of high school and play
in the XFL for three years, right, even if he
wouldn't have played his first year and set the bench
ball for two years and been eligible for the draft.
They draft him out to XFL and say, hey, he

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don't you're gonna start seeing that in a few years.
Watch to see because it's almost getting the weare. It
don't make no sense to go play college football. There's
too much sip they can happen. First of all, the
motherfucker this dare Go probably not be there no more.
You probably have two or three coordinators so a year,
and that's very important. There's two there's two positions on
the team, actually three positions on the team that that
impact you. If you're a quarterback, if you're a right

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receiver and you're a dB, if they bringing motherfucker's and
it has changing up the program off day. Let's say
you're a press man corner, right, you get a coach
that that wants you to do some whole other ship, right,
That fucks your game up, right, It limits your game
because you're not doing what you excel at. Right. Let's
say you're a wide receiver and the motherfucker come in

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you want to run a ball seveny times a game.
That's gonna piss you off, right. The thing is, it's
not a bad move to go play in the XFL.
If you are a high school football player, you're going
there and get your degree. You played for three years. Hell,
the NFL probably like you even more because guess who
plays in the XFL former NFL players. Everybody in that

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motherfucker's been in the league, some of them kids for
former first round trafficks. So if you go out there
ball against them for a long time, hell, you're gonna
be ready. You're gonna be more prepared for the game,
and you will be playing in college. Think about it.
The game to turn to pro this and only people
not benefit as the kids. Dog, That's all I'm saying.

(01:01:04):
You just got to watch out man with this ship.
I just, you know, like you said best the Dion
in his situation. I hope people are able to uh
get over you know, the fact that you know, uh
that he uh took the job at Colorado. You know
some people who wanted him to stay. I get it.

(01:01:24):
You know, I got a lot of you know, people
upset about it, and a lot of people say, hey,
you gotta do what you gotta do. So it's just
because I'm gonna tell you like this and we leave
it like this, everybody else doing what they want to
go get your paper? Huh right your paper? Dog? Is
everybody else doing it? Dog? So so I don't know

(01:01:46):
why it should be different. You know, we appreciate you
all for tuning in and eight man, you came with
the dudes tonight we were to start looking. You pick
the top of too a lot more often. Dog. I
just you know, it's it's it's a lot of being
going around. Also, just on one quick note, you know,
I also see that they they arrested, you know, a

(01:02:07):
couple of people in takeoffs, you know, murder. Uh so
you know, uh, glad that that's going down. Also seen
some ship today where they say the family is you
know over you know because you know, when you're young
like that, you usually don't have a will. So it's

(01:02:28):
kind of interesting to see how that's gonna play out,
you know, with the family and you know what you know,
you know, money always fucks people up. Money and material ship.
So you know, my nigger had cars and jewelry and
you know probably homes and ship. You know, no telling
what was in his bank account, so you know it's unfortunate,

(01:02:52):
you know how that is. You got managers out there.
You got homeboys that like helping with the bookings. Ain't
no telling how many deposits, Niggers don't care. And now
you know, once you're sitting that deposit, that money ain't
coming back, right, And you know, how about you think
them dude is getting there getting the least couple of
thousand the show? Yeah, I'm sure at least you know

(01:03:14):
that they were stars, man, they were huge, and you know,
forget the money, man. The saddest part about that whole
situation is that that kid adn't even got a chance
to live his life. Man, he wasn't even thirty years old.
Yet he wasn't you know, he wasn't He was a
young dude. Man, he's a baby, and you know what,

(01:03:35):
making all that money, and just because he was making
money don't mean he gotta live. Hell, I don't think
I really became a man, dogs, will I was thirty
years old. Don't get me wrong. I was a man,
but I was immature the motherfucker right. Well, you feel me,
you know, prayers, man, Prayers to his family, man, his people. Man,
that that's unfortunate situation. We just gotta do better all

(01:03:58):
the way around, bro right and you know, you've got
another dynamic in this now because they said that the
guy that allegedly shot him, everybody is in shock because
they said he was a good dude. Yeah, what's your
good dude? But you know what, James, it comes back

(01:04:18):
to this ship right here. Man, you could be the
nicest dude in the world, and all it takes for
motherfucker's to say one thing to set somebody off door.
The next thing, you know, you do something you regret
that you can't take back. Right and be out there
on that road, man, you be you. You keep your
head up and watch the motherfucker's got there. You're not

(01:04:38):
saying about me? Is is I've come to a time where,
you know, a lot of situations like that I tend
to avoid, you know, um, sometimes being young, sometimes being
you know, you know popular, you know, having angs or whatever,

(01:05:02):
you have the attitude sometimes of you know, invincible, you
know um, And especially when you're in a position to
where you don't have beef with a lot of motherfucker's.
You you like, you know, I'm cool with everybody mentality,

(01:05:25):
But like I try to tell motherfucker's you can be
that person. But it don't mean the people you around are,
you know, And it's unfortunate. Like I used to tell niggas, um,
you know, when I used to travel and take ten
fifteen niggas with me and ship like that, I would

(01:05:50):
be the most humblest nigger on the planet. Cool with you, yeah,
I mean, disagreements we can settle like men, talk it
out whatever. I can't control the other fourteen niggers in
the pack. You get me, and I might know a
few of those that I could talk to, but you

(01:06:12):
can't control everybody that's roaming with the crew. You feel
me with that cruise ship dog, I learned the horrid way.
I did that one time, taking motherfucker's what your dog?
After that it was just me and my DJ though.
I mean, it's just unfortunately, you know, because everybody is

(01:06:33):
their own man at you know, I'm saying, you know,
I don't give a funk. I'm my own man, whether
it's me and you or it's me and fifty niggers,
I'm my own man. And it comes to a point
to where you can't tell me what the fund to do.
And if if I'm that type of motherfucker, if I

(01:06:58):
feel like I'm getting off, I'm get off. I don't
give a funk who it is. I don't care. You
get me. You could be my best ace coom boom
in the world, but you can't tell me ship. I'm
gonna poorly staying out and I'm gonna go. You get me,
and I don't care about the situation of who it is,
or who it might be, or who might catch or whatever.

(01:07:21):
I'm my own motherfucker. You know that, just like I
know it. So you just got to know your surrounders
and know the motherfucker's you're with. And I'm type of nigga.
If I can't count on my hand on my one
to fill I know that nigga, that nigga, then maybe
this ain't the place I need to be. You feel
you can't control everybody, you can't control them. I don't

(01:07:43):
give a funk who you are, whether you're the nigga
with the hundred millions and you leading the whole pack,
you can't control a man's actions. I don't give a funk.
You get me, and some of those actions, unfortunately be
misguided and may be fun up everybody not thinking like you.
You're thinking, Hey, I'm gonna come here, be peaceful, get

(01:08:06):
my eyes back to the crib and the night is
over right. Everybody don't hide you. So I just gotta
watch your surround. Just man, watch you. I tell my
son that all the time you get me, you just
gotta watch you. You're around. Man, you give me what
you can't control, you can't you. I don't give a
funk if you you would have packed, you would have

(01:08:28):
packed six kids, and and one of them motherfucker's want
to snatch a snicker. He gonna snatch that motherfucking There's
nothing you can do about it. And now y'are all
gonna get caught for that motherfucking pizza candy. You get me,
So watch who you with, don't be influenced by ship.
And then sometimes you just need not be around the

(01:08:49):
motherfuck stay. You can't get no ship at home, can you?
That's real, the boring motherfucker always you do what man?
Somebody say to me, Man, I forget one of my uncles.
He said, Man, ain't nothing going on good at eleven
o'clock at night. He's ain't nothing going on good at

(01:09:09):
the level three o'clock in the morning. It might be
some ship crack and steal and left. We know you
have for sure. Man, alright, I appreciate your fellers. Man alright,

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