April 17, 2021 • 46 mins
We sit down with Chi-Town's "SpeedKnot Mobstas" and they kick the real about the past present and future.
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Not with my homeboys. Jill and you all know what
it is, man. You know what, there's a lot of
stuff going on. I was talking to eight earlier, man,
and it seemed like we just on the repeat of
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these ass bumpings and these killers that these police officers
are doing. Man. It's just like at the while, you're
just like, damn another one. Man. Uh. You know, we
found out that the police officer man and killed the
young brother Dante right doing the traffic stop, saying that
she must techndly drew her pistol instead of a tasan.
Then we had an army officer to get pepper strated
and stumped out. Man. It's like this is just a
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recurrent theme right now, and I don't want to just
like I don't want to rehash a whole bunch of
stuff that's been said already. Man. But them, I don't
think that's wherever the end has been going on since
the sixties. Man, it's been going sixty sixties. The only
difference is now, man, as we got folks with their
camera phones out and everything else. Man, what with y'all
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fail to realize that that with the the Trump ship
and all the other ship that's been going on, and
then people that ready to Capital some of them. Some
of them people were army people, police, the whole nine.
You have white racist people and law enforcement, and they're
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showing you that they're racist. This ship ain't gonna stop
unless the courts start locking these motherfucker's up and and
they're not gonna do all of them. They're not gonna
lock all of them mouths. So I mean, whether you reply,
whether you get out the car and lay on your
motherfucking billy or whatever, it don't matter. Ship ain't gonna stop.
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You're doing we got to do with this ship. There's
never no surprise, man. I don't I mean, I don't
even I don't understand how motherfucker's don't realize how you know?
To us, this is no shock, Like you said, it's
kind of it's kind of repetitious and ship because it's
the normal for niggers that grew up in that situation. Man,
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you know what I'm saying, Accidental shootings or getting your
ass what about the police or ship was what we
learned to accept when we grew up in the motherfucking hood.
You know what I'm saying. Uh, A lot of us
motherfucker's wasn't out on on the on the corners, or
didn't give a fuck if we was getting dropped off
and enemy hoods or getting all asses beat in jail
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by the CEO s or any of that ship. It
was normal territory. I mean, so it's kind of like
repetitious behavior that you keep seeing. But it's just the fact,
like you said, everybody got sucking camera phones and everybody's
so curious to see what these cops do to motherfucker's
because of you know, my man George Floyd or all
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anybody else who's lost their life due to this era
of social media. But man, I grew up in a
time when it wasn't computers or social media and ship,
it was the normal ship. You got your ask what
by the police and somebody got killed, he wasn't running
down to the police station to report, you feel me?
Because it was something that we was branded into. That's
the dangerous part thought you got. You got the wheenie
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cats want to be somebody, just like half of the
goddamn police and law enforcements was getting bullied and plunked
by certain motherfucker's. But now they got that title, they
can do anything, and they want to do anything just
to prove that they not pussies. I can sit here
and enable a whole bunch of motherfucker's out this way
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that did this ship and and being plunked a whole nine,
But now they're considered that the hitters. Fuck that. You
know what I'm saying. That's just like when niggas go
to prison and come home buff. I tell them a
fucker like this, just because you got buff don't mean
your your hands are no better than what they want.
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Before you start living weights, you're the same motherfucker. He
can't put no ways from that. You can't put it here.
You feel me, it don't happen like that. So just
need to just really see the reality of what what
what game banging is and the structure other ship. If
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you don't understand that, you're fighting the lost cast because
all the odds against us anyway you feel me, whether
you're in Chicago, Atlanta, California, the whole nine, it's all
designed the same motherfucking way. But it takes and I
noticed it takes us until we get to our parties.
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It takes us til we get to our fitties to
really realize that ship A smart motherfucker that get it
and his kids is the motherfucker. Other than that, I
ride with the homeies, you know what I'm saying, Yeah
for real man. And you know we got some brothers
man from Chicago to night Man, Shot towns on speeding
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up mobsters Man, the only big rig Man, Turtle Banks
Man and lifting Stokes Man. How y'all fellers doing night Man?
Blast blast? Laugh? What's good? Man? So we're talking about
this thing, man, and the thing that like, um, I
would say, Man, really as far as game Coachu go man,
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Los Angeles and Chicago, Man, it's probably two of the
main cities in the country, the first that's been having
to cracking like since the sixties. Would y'all agree yeah
on that? Yeah? And so like I was talking to
you a little bit off camera, Rig earlier about just
the differences. You were breaking it down to meet on
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how Chicago go. I know, um, how to You know,
a lot of politics go in Chicago. You know, witside
is the dis the southside is is that and everything? Man,
with the level of crime that y'all got, Man, because
we alsome killing motherfucker's in Chicago. Man, you know what
it's always been that it's just pubicide right now, and
like Chicago a mob a mob city, meaning like the
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move with stocksu So you gotta take when a day
or when those stocksures. But we still got schluck, if
that makes sense. So it's you know, it is what
it is right now. And it's like when the the
sayers knew what they was doing. Man, you know what
I'm saying. In the early two thousands, they was taking
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away all the cheese on the street. You know what
I'm saying. It was sweeping. They were sweeping the street,
taking away all the gang leaders. They do. Once you
knock the head off, we got a whole bunch of
roaches and rattings and roaches and wrestles running away. You
know I'm saying, ain't no guidance, ain't no long You
know it's Chicago, and how y'all have looked to each
tough and like that. But you know, we got longs,
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we got laws, we got order. You know what I'm saying,
We do prayers and everything. It's a whole different type
of structure with our gang culture. And it's like they
got to the way, man, ain't nun with just violence
and ain't no upliftment. It ain't no larning and no
cheese giving, no guidance, Ain't no O G. S telling
the shout he's are smacking the shoulda when you're out
of pocket. Ain't none of that, okay? Would you say?
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Because I know back then, like as far as Chicago
go y'all had gang leaders like you see ahead about
the structure. It was serious. They almost ran that ship
like a business. Yeah it could you come on the
block kicking off nothing unless you've got okay. If you
did what it was your head, you was getting the
funking head. You might be sucking up. But five hours
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and dollar day block over there was a goofy ship.
So you know you had to get the okay to
do stuff. You had to get okay. You know talking
to James about you know, talking to James he is
the originator of law and order um and he always
talks about that, like as far as God's main guard
the young people with certain principles and stuff like that. Man,
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So would you say the lection you're saying that the
lack of leadership and O. G. S wing the penitentiary
kind of sparked all this killing, this reckless killing us
going on in Chicago, with that exactly a you know,
games man, and nobody do the hold of the hold
of the the accountable play and our date were accountable for
any action anything, you know, and that law. We had
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to learn that, we had to understand that, we can
know that. Then we had to the consequence. So we
used got a gang of people outside. They're just more constable,
the just the right thing, old managed really and forget
the old one, all right, hold on, hold on, let's
drop a commercial real quick. We gotta pay some bills
in here, yeah, for sure. So so lifty, your name
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comes from a notorious figure in Chicago. Man, I wanted
to always ask you, well you related to the he
wanted the living Stokes. No, you know, when I came
to my name now, I was like, I didn't want
to be like, you know, the New York niggas man
he was in all that Gambino, all that old Italian ship.
I wanted to come with some people that come from
our color, our culture in the game and made it big.
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So I'm like, you know, I can't with the fruiting Stokes,
lifting Stokes. I'm like, I'm gonna be lifting stops, you
know what I'm saying. And represent for that. I ain't
gonna do the tag and ship there's gangs because around
that time everybody was this and that, don since in
you only and all this other stuff, right because they
don't like they don't like us anybody. Why the fu
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you don't take their name back? That's invest in real
ship bro. So man, and um, I know these younger
cats in Chicago, man, as far as that whole drial.
Soon that they got down there, man, they really like that.
They really want it man, and like and them factions
that they got up because there's so many, like I
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don't heard more women and all these different names or
those newer factors. Are those newer factions of like the
older games? Yeah? Yeah, basically what y'all gotta win up
was like for some reason the gang Coach had really
exploded in the two dollars of teens and levels, and
all you got was a bunch of game branging niggas
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who weren't even wrapping, but they got famous all the
game banging, and they was like, man, how did we
make some money off one? And like, what's seeing that
started rapping? So then you get some chief keys and
little dirts them they just come straight from the slum
gang banging, didn't have nothing else to do. It was like,
I'm gonna turn the rapping. So Chicago people, we ain't
got no industry in Chicago. Really, you know, I'm ain't
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no movies, ain't no music, ain't no labels up here.
So people got a real missing exception of Chicago. In
Chicago funked up, they didn't. You gotta be real, like
the New York niggas knew I train it. I'm gonna
be a character. You commonly gotta fucked up anything. They
really gotta put the murders in and let you know that.
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They they got tim burnt bodies in one of they
built to make some music and get famous, and then
they just caught on. And then you got niggas in
New Glork doing a drill London and they really think
that's the ship the way they go. But really there
was so s they just got yeah, just hard, they explained.
But y'all was supposed to get there, you know what
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I'm saying. And it was real ship that was going on,
and they got exposed and cloud as a motherfucker men famous,
everybody no famous. The worst social media that social media
as a motherfucker. Like I seen it. I mean you
can tell because, like I said, a lot of the rap,
you know, was was basically said, you get me. A
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lot of the rap was just it was cent trip
and it wasn't really rap. It was nigga the homie
killed your homie. Uh, you know, we from this block,
you know, fuck your bitch, fuck your whatever. Fuck if
you ain't from this hood. It wasn't really wrapped. It
was really like a lot of just what I called
banging one you feel me. And then because of social
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media and because of the the adolescence in the hip
hop right now, niggas took that as the new form
of rap. You give me, Papa purposet, Papa pill Uh,
fuck your bitch killed your nigga. I killed him. I
killed him. You know, we give a funk about them.
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That's just really a lot of banging on wax on
some real ship, niggas beefing on records to their neighborhoods
and getting popular because the kids, like my son, he's sixteen,
he loved that ship. You give me, he loved that ship.
When niggas talking about nigga, I came through. I popped
the bitch the homie call the murder. You know, you
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ain't gonna do ship. You ain't gonna pull that pistol. Nigga.
He loved a little Dirk ship and the King ship
and all that. He loves that ship. That's my son.
He didn't wanted my son. And I got a son
to play ball at usc no you know, young name,
and he put me up on all that because when
we used to go to them tournaments and seven of seven,
that's all he was banging. The car was a little
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dirt and King Vonolim and I noticed that left the
fathers that these short he's taking the reps. It's sound
a little too real, you feel I'm saying, you listen, ship,
I mean like on our aspect. You know, I talked
about drive bomb music. I talked about what happened with
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niggas pulled drive bins in the effects of the death
in the community and whatever. I didn't get on records,
and like, you know, I knew a nigga who got
killed from so and so hood, and I got on
record and said, yeah, y'all hold me from so and
so got killed. Nigga. He didn't to do that type
of ship. You know what I'm saying, but today it's
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the like I said, with the youth and the popularity
of social media and listening to that, and they look
at these young niggers and they be like all day
that nigga at my nick you know. So it kind
of drove that aspect of what music is today. You
feel me, because that's what some time it was some
different ship. Whatever we came up and music was to us,
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or when we tried to explain tales from the hood,
so to speak, what I tell motherfucker's we had telled
from the hood on the on the description of the
downfalls of the neighborhood. You get me of doing that
route they glorified the ship. Nowadays, you feel me it's
glorified to talk about the nigga who got his ass
killed last night, And I ain't talking about a fiction
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of your imagination character. They're talking about the nigga who
really got killed last night, you feel you know. And
going back to going back to just some stuff. Man,
the Turtle Banks, I gotta tell you it was on
the Legit Balls album. You had the hardest contentory song
after anything that don't have some family, go brother, go
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to ken. What was your name, that stuff. It was
on the thing and that was my cut. I've bling
that song. Everything was my theme song behind ball. Yeah
time who you had in your family? That was locked
up dog? Because that was a cold that that was
a cold beast. That got to be one of the
best ever made. Yeah, because it was some real stuff.
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And that's one thing I'm gonna take you the music
for a little bit, because you know that's not our format.
We don't talk about music when where you come for
your promo spots and stuff. We speak with real street
people about real street you know, stuff that's going on.
Y'all was kind of like the y'all was kind of
like the n w A in Chicago, so to speak.
Maybe before y'all, I can't really remember nobody because y'all
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came up with Twister. If y'all kind of gave him
up three day kind of you always kind of like
three D Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. You know, I mean
from the beginning, you know when when Twister first said
the saying he was with the beds and you know,
he was on the afrol Central ship. You know, when
I had told him wonder I hadn't talked with im,
said man, you know the fast they're cool, but you
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ain't talking about nothing. You know what I'm saying. I'm like,
you need to switch you then I'm like, you know,
not to beat, but like people like Bus, the Rare Man,
Novelty Round, Come and go. I was like Street Rapp,
thank us the rappers forever because it's the streets. The
streets ain't going nowhere, so you'll be able to talk
about the streets forever. You gonna have a career for
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ever talking about the streets like eight like sky Face Jay.
You know what I'm saying, It stays, the transcends the
test of time because you live in and every day.
So we took that, switched the style, love and watch
the money. That's crazy, man, because y'all really big news
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because for a minute, y'all worried you'll on the Twister.
Help we know y'all was on the drumming vation of
other projects right then, y'all with the with the like
the le jit ball and stuff. I thought the legit
ball stuff was gonna pope. We did. We did too,
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I mean you know, I mean we were we still
hold records. I mean we was doing We was doing
Gold four one dollars companies taking me put out from
south or south about southwest. We was killing you know
what I'm saying. And then that's when Atlantic, because we
were still in sad to Atlantic when we was dropping them, uh,
when we did Legit Ballers. So then they came back
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trying to school us, like, you know, y'all gotta stop that,
you know, bring it on the end to the family.
So when they tried to bring it into Atlantic, you know,
they had a deal for Twister to solo album and
they had a deal for Legit Baller is a million
for Twist to four point five for the Legit Baller label.
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For some reason, you know, Twister didn't want to do it. Somebody.
He was tiring people coming up on his name. So
he said, you know you have the four point five
on the table. When they gave it the t I,
that's o t I got grand hustle because Twister talk
the bread Dawn. He just wanted his media first solo album.
He said he didn't want to be binding with the
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rest of the ship. So he told me, like, you know,
I come to him. You ain't turning around four point
at you ain't doing no ship like that. Were like
he's just gonna be me and you. We're just gonna
get this red all you know, all the other ship.
You know what I'm saying. So the deal just fell
at the waist tide and so so so we just
that was the reason why them CD stopped coming out exactly.
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You know what I've wondered sometimes do it seems like
the people that them labels like playing the divide and
concrete game with brothers, like with black labels when they
come together like that, because see, I don't seen ship
like this was out for working on buildings. They'd come
and tell y'all that they four point five, and they
really offer them no ship like that, just to get
y'all kind of out the way. Because I noticed that
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the first thing they try to do is move everybody's
little street ties to him to get them water. Yeah
that's true. But the guys was in the in the
table with him when he said no, okay, I'll live. Yeah,
But like I said, even with it was see, we
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cousin structure man were game bankers, wig taritle bangs. We
folks who on the hustlers, vice lords, twisty ain't no
game banking, you feel me? So when we talk, I
worried my bond and I'm telling folks something. Well, I'm
telling rich something. You know what I'm saying. It's different
with a severe Let's put it like that away. You
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know what I'm saying. Hey, you know I know big Rick,
how long have you been on a in that lifestylet
of when I was actual activive? Some you know? Well
now I'm seven, don't twell? I came out. Yeah, so
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so what's the so as far as vice goes, I've
noticed it gotta be And maybe this is James, you
may can answer this. Is it a connection between the
games in Chicago, when the games and that like man
games in Chicago, the games in Chicago, when the games
in l A. All of us have been through a
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lot of ship, different ship, and it's just is their
connection between that something just to make you click and
make you just see everything but what it is and
if you water something down and you don't have to
just keep it one hunting, it is what it is
right around, you know what I'm saying. And a lot
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of those like my uncle's and all the people I
saw watching grow up, I wanted to be like that,
but I wanted to be myself. So I incorporated a
lot of different ships that I saw that I heard
and and implemented that ship and me. And so when
I did certain things, I believe I was doing the
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right thing every time I did it. And you know,
some cats today they don't think, They don't think at all.
I was taught to think and playing and put it
together before you go out there and do some stupid
ship and looks stupid doing it, you know what I'm saying.
So you know a lot of us brothers man understand,
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but don't fully get it until we get older. You
know what I'm saying. A lot of cats is running
around there talking about their men. I didn't. I didn't
realize I was a man until I was in my voties,
you know what I'm saying. So you know, some real ship.
So being a part of of of of being a
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game member, being the destructive and tanning up the neighborhoods
and doing all that ship. I can't be a hypocrite
and say a hypocrite and say them niggas is sucking
up there on some stupid ship, because we've all been
on some stupid ship growing up. Now, it's about how
did you fix our you know, touch these cats and
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let them see that the way they getting down is
not worth it and don't make sense, you know what
I'm saying. So if you got more fuckers to start
making records and telling them that the ship that they're
doing is file, put the pistols down and stop whoo
the woo woo. We ain't gotta shoot each other, we
ain't gotta hang with each other. Let's just stop killing
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each other. Y'all still over there, we stay over here,
and and and do I think we will grow? The
majority of a black man life is fagancy. Now is ship?
Back then it was fifteen. Now, motherfucker's probably make it
to twenty one, two years old, you know what I'm saying.
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So it's it's it's just a lot of ship that
comes with it, and you gotta understand where you're going
and where you're adding in the whole system. That's all
it is, is the system. It's something that the older,
the older, the generations before our tied started. We just
took it and took it to a different motherfucking level.
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And now it is what it is. It has no structure,
and it has no no loyalty. It has no it
don't have a hold on nothing, none of none of
the ship that that that motherfucker's just doing the day.
It don't mean ship because they're just doing it. Yeah,
you know what I think, man, And this is one
thing I noticed was I'm a reason from the Midwether too.
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But I've been out in California since eighty eight. I've
been here a long time, so I understand the game
thing as far as out here. And one of the
similarities gonna see between Chicago and then Layers that they
systematically took those maga figures out the neighborhoods. Some of
them happened to be po boys, but they used the
guys have boke and all the other stuff that you
on them and the regal charges and stuff on. They
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took the influential cats out the neighbor lives across the country,
and then that's when the kallos, the madness started had
like they tried to cut their head off. They cut
their head off. I mean, that's like that. It's the
fact of the matter is like ship, you take away
the motherfucker that's giving you structure. It's just like the
same situation you got the motherfucker that's giving you structure
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or family member or brother they killed here, what you're
ready to do that's gonna calm you down or that's
gonna make you get active. So, like like Games said,
it's a sort of a backfire because they know the
motherfucker's that they're putting away holds down the structure, got
the brain to love leadership to calm motherfucker ship. But
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that scares of motherfucker. When they have the smarts and
the intelligence, you get me, they feel they're ready to
deal with the knucklehead because the knucklehead gonna suck yourself
up real quickly. But you don't understand the knuckle heads
is the ones that's gonna go guerrilla warfare on your
motherfucking asked, because like they said, we don't really give
a fuck. We're just gonna go ballistic and go crazy
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and just shoot up everything. But you want to lock
up and they go, who can control all of that
and bring structure? That terrifies the motherfucker because look at this,
Look at what this motherfucker can do. Look he got
all this ship under control, So all he gotta do
is really if the motherfucker wanted to do is run ship.
He could really funck shut up. So they figured, well,
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ours is pretty much even your mother to the run
police officer, you got a problem. So it's it's pretty
much pretty much even there. You know. You know, one
of our first shows we talked about, you know, just
just surrender. You know that's not so easy to do.
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When the police funk with you. They already got an
agenda when they approach you. You're a black man, he
got something, so the odds against you when as soon
as he walked up to you, his mind is already
made up opposed to walking up to somebody, a white guard,
a white guy in the car, and the wars that
let him have it because the white boys ain't playing
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with him. We sit here, our races are so fucking
passive and humble when it comes to the police and
everything else. But when it comes to us, we're ready
to destroy. Yeah, but everybody starts rhyme when the police
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killed one of us. You know what I'm saying, Let's
get a march, was stopped killing each other. You know
what I'm saying, Well, we ain't doing none of that
ship because they know they can't stop that ship. They
can't stop it, but you can stop it. You can
go to the hood and and get it all the
hitters and and everybody put bearing that ass. Brothers from
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the penitential, let them know when you're coming this motherfucker.
Your asses out't come and come to prison for killing
the black man. And this is what the Mesicans did.
If you come to prison for killing the Mexican, your
ass can't live in no prison, can't be on no yard.
And that's what they did out here in California in
the eighties. That's real, that's real, right, there's nowhere to hide,
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nowhere to hide in there. So and that's that's one
of the ways that that that mm hm. The penitentiary
as a motherfucker. And if you're not ready or bill
ploy yeah, and you don't even know where they're getting from.
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But they died and they had some pink underwear. But
your hey, first of it's a motherfucker, but it definitely
can make a man out of you. And it definitely
showed you know something, mother to go to jail and no, mother,
(29:36):
just go to jail. No. It teaches you. I'm telling
you what they do. You got cash that go out
there and what you know what you can come back
to their cell and later when we came up and
he whoop your ass. Everybody knows killing you know what
(30:02):
I'm saying, first and foremost in there. Motherfucker's all that
how the head and ship? You think you are gay?
Let's see you was tested. You know you're not getting
that today. You're not getting that. Bad motherfucker ready to
come check you because now why they have changed the laws.
The laws are different from back then attempt the murderer
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getting for the years attempted. I might want to kill
the motherfucker. You know, they're not giving you what what
you was getting. You know, the slap on the wrist
and the eight in the nineties. You're not getting that ship.
So being an o G man, goddamn, that's that's double
Japany if I if I go fucking just literally and
(30:47):
this little then get every found I do something to it,
I'm in prison for the rest of my life. But
you know everything, you get your time. Man. We just
gotta figure it out, and figure out and and and
(31:08):
turn the dump ship into positive ship. It's gonna be
very hard to do that. We need to have some
co instructor that would be that that would be hella.
But because it'd be a gang of niggas, it would
be a gang of nigga skin to go to motherfucking prison.
No one that the old JS is in there waiting
on motherfucker's You know what I'm saying. That would be
a hell of a structure to get a motherfucker's. You
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come in here for shooting another nigga, then you you
just wait to see what happens when you get in here,
because that's where you had it. You feel me too.
That's why motherfuckers don't want one part of that ship.
If you can't, they ain't trying to run up. They
ain't trying to run up and gets un the niggas.
Man you've been talking about bad with the jellies and
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all that bad. They is not ready to run up
against one of them, not at all. No man, y'all,
y'all be overlooking the point. The point is you got
some grown ass man out there that all that less,
I don't have nothing else ain't gonna stand the hood.
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And for him to stand the he gotta have these
little soldiers. He might be under covered with the bullshit,
but it's somebody just keeping motherfucker's on the grind is
everybody got somebody in the hood that's on some fucked
up ship. If Alcol watch the big homie, this motherfucker
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fifty sixty sixty five years old still with the business
man longevity too, I might be able to make it
to his age with the business. So all it is, man,
grown ass man needs to really grow the funk up
and say that and see the big picture here. We
ain't doing ship but destroying us. That's all we're doing.
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And I know, I know for a fact I did
it for a long goddamn time. But and I can't
be a hypocrite about it. And I know what because
he's thinking, Nick is just thinking some motherfucker's doing for
recreational reasons. They ain't got enough to do in the hood.
You get drunk and you let the liot a take
your motherfucker somewhere else. And and now, yeah, I didn't
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kill the mother because I got drunk, just as simple
of that. It's just stupid. Ship, Nigga is just stupid.
We we'd be on some stupid ship and we just
need to wake the punk up and think, man and
ship is is out of hand now, he's out of hand.
So you know, until it happened to you or somebody
in your family, that's when mother fuckers start to wake up.
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That's a real ship, man, because it's so many similarities, man,
because one thing is Bigwest period. You know, Chicago Detroit
took them, you know, y'all man to take two things,
two different things. You know, to the y'all do everything
to the and the game almost I don't stuff to places,
(34:11):
but yeah, that's cool. Like but we might have said
on the West side, so the West Side we known
for getting money. So like that the day this outside
with your area where the family like ground, my num
came from down part where they came on like Grandpa
might work. He by the crib. They got a house.
We talked about the partners in it. It's long. Well
(34:31):
you know, my daddy might not have been around and
mama get the uh, the aide and all that big rick.
We can enter this part off. You got your things on.
Clicking that you take the motherfucker's off. Dog, you sound
like you wond the water on the motherfucker's don't want
(34:52):
to hear what you see? Yeah, I mean, you know,
stay whatever you was all over again because oh, you're
trying to be trying to be cool to see that,
but that but that couldn't when we were got them.
So what we're saying, No, we're from the last as
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of Chicago, right, So the differences we come from money man,
we love the huckle. We love get money. You know
back in the day on the South Side. That's why
all the backs I grated too. And uh that you
know how money came from down software he came from
he got the god might to create a piece of property.
So the next generation win after process. Us we come
(35:36):
from out the I'm the deal is, Daddy might not
have been around, you know, he might have been hospital
mama getting the best that check O the aid check
and we gotta get some money. But them process we're seeing,
you know, like them. I stayed around the corner from
me and knew him. We need my godfather. So we're
seeing people like they're all our life is you want
to get money. So the West Side people, we just
(35:58):
like to get money all that with that, but we
all do that that I didn't the other guy have
to do it. But yeah, black Peace Stone, that was Yeah,
you know what I'm saying, I wanted to ask me
when they was trying to black Pea Stones down. Yeah,
(36:25):
black Pea Stone, Agent of Stones still got people, still
black Peace stones. Yeah. When we saw that on cut
with one of the movies, he was like, damn the
stones out down. You know what, men, they's up again.
We don't see Roy because he was trump con you
know what I'm saying. So because he took the lid
(36:46):
out there. All right, let's take a quick commercial break
and we'll be back. So so so let me ask
you this, and I keep talking about the similarities between
Chicago and that late because that's why I love old
guys there. The guys then we come up. I believe
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that James at correct me if I'm wrong with any point. Yeah, man,
we we we we Like I said, we are nigga
like myself. I grew up in the hood, so I
was structured on that ship. That's why I tell people
a lot of my music was sales from the neighborhood
because I was actually right there living that ship. So
(37:33):
as a young adolescent, I was victim to a lot
of that bullshit too. What I'm saying, uh, just being
a product of my environment. So you know, um, A
lot of people asked today, you know, do we feel
responsible for the music we made? And how you know, uh,
you see the youngsters now days and how they're crazy
and going wild and whatever, and do we feel responsible
(37:56):
for what? You know, because a lot of niggas say that, man, ship,
I was in prison, I listened to you or I did.
I did plenty of drive bys and listening to your ship,
you know whatever. So you know, it was just man,
I'm like I said, me being a product of my environment,
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me being a product of my environment. It was it
was stuff that I saw and stuff that I witnessed
that I just felt like I had to share my
stories with other with other brothers who were caught up
in the situations that I felt I was in. You
feel me because I always felt like not just sucking competent,
(38:39):
it's niggas, that's hood everywhere. You feel me, Chicago, down South, Mississippi, Atlanta, Texas.
You know. So that's what I made music for. I
made music to try to depict every nigger who was
stuck in that trap. You feel, Okay, I gat I gain't.
I didn't nigga's that neighborhood theme. Use Man, I just
(39:00):
started doing that music because I knew what it was about.
Because when I was making music, I was still hopping
in the back of ods, cards and ship you feel me.
So that's why my music resignated with a lot of youngsters.
As far as how we adults now, like I said,
we weren't supposed to make it this far man living
(39:21):
a lifestyle we was living, but we was. We were
fortunate enough that we were able to start making music
and we were able to start participating and writing down
our tails of what we knew and what we experienced.
Didn't happen to go out there and experience it in
the long run, you know what I'm saying, So that
kind of benefited in some ways. Yeah, it's the media too,
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you know what I'm saying, because you think about it.
When we was coming up, and it was when we
was in the nineties, it was nineteen hundred murders up
in this here. You know what I'm saying. It was
that and triple what it is now. But back then,
when the grand and aunt is getting hit, no babies,
it was if you got hit, we had it come.
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You know what I'm saying. Now, all these innercy white
hands getting hit, man, just like I said, you you know, pussy,
you're jod He want to stand get your feedback, and
just he' here on what he's doing. He's just waving
that mother and he got his glass clod that that's
the thing right there. And we talked about it, when
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we talked about it all the time. Man, Like, I'll
be honest with you, man, I got kids, you know,
like James said, you really don't know you're a man.
To get you to your forties, that's when you're really
on top of your ship kind of, you know. And
I think I got kids. I got the son as
twenty years old. I got the story. So when I
see these jam cats out here, man getting murdered by people,
whether it's the police or the hands of our owners,
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I'm gonna tell you this, buddy, we kill more of
our own people than we any other motherfucker's everything else. Yeah,
we get a lot of gown man, so real it
sucks me up, man um. As far as the kids
in Chicago, man, I know kids out here, a lot
of them give a funk about with no old making
(41:09):
better say. And we respected our old g We're respecting
our man. And I one thing is is this man,
I'm tired of mother fucking verching. I'm tired of the
motherfucking protesting and ship and it's starting to James saying, Man,
I think we gotta start with all the ship man
(41:30):
and really start. But we to my own motherfucking neighorhoods
because I would to tell somebody else to stop doing
this and doing that. But we still each other, not
excusing what they're doing at all, not excuse me what
they're doing at all. But I am more likely to
lose my life to the hands of another nigga than
I am a police officer. Hey, hey, it was the
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eight Well, I don't know if you remember, we had
kicking rounds in Long Beach of Long about ten years
teen years ago. It was at Long Beach in a
little club up now. I was with Twist me. He
was back there blowing and ship kicking it. I was settled, man,
and the Q raised me. Man. It was my daddy's
so and you knowthing to talk about. I was like, okay,
(42:11):
that's the law. That that's law right there, and that's
I presented myself. I ain't gonna that so I any
trip when the shorts week because I was like Damn,
I'm gonna love MC eight q Q say he I
skilled the bitch killer cop killer that you know what
I'm saying. That loves it ain't really a solution to
(42:32):
none of this ship. So all this ship is just
exercise and futility because motherfucker's gonna still keep you what
they're doing. Nigga's gonna still keep killing each other. Police.
We're gonna be flowing through this motherfucker as long as
niggas walking. Thereat go be out the the whook that
I asked, So you know, just it's all you can't
do ship but laugh at it man and trying to
take care of your own you know what I mean,
(42:53):
Try to just make sure your own people is right.
Y'all still let me ask you'll let me ask you'
all this one question because I consider y'all, you know,
to come from the era of my music. So do
y'all feel pressured to compete or try to be uh
what the masses of music are? Or do you feel
(43:15):
comfortable staying in your own lane and being who to
speed not mobsters are? I'll tell you like this to me,
you gotta keep your love for him because the music
is here. To destroy your love for the gang. You
know what I'm saying, He destroy your love for the music.
You gotta stay at Brest and what's going on, keep
up with the current slang, and you can still stay
(43:36):
in your lane, you know what I'm saying. Like with us,
we gotta label Mob Town Entertainment. So we're bringing up
a monster of the youngsters, you know what I'm saying.
So we know we need to in order to get
our label out that we need to come with some
stuff ourselves because we got the bug to wrap again anyway,
you know what I'm saying. So yeah, just long you
stay current, listening to the music, know what's after, catch
(43:58):
your lane, just get your a little sound, but still
reminisces a the old They need the lover that hate.
That's all I say. Man, And and all the old
geees out there. Man, you're still doing it. Do what
y'all do because you still got motherfucker's like me to
go streaming ship and buying. It's a whole bunch of
niggas like me. There's old niggas just still want to
(44:19):
hear some good music. You see what I'm saying. That king,
you know me, it's a fifty year. I love what
these young niggas do, but I can't d it wrong
like that that we're just lying right me pulling up
on somebody listening to some of the ship that these
niggs be making. You know what I mean, it's just
don't knocking what they do. But that's my key and
that's not me. You got so I got a certain
lectament contemporary right now. You see what I'm saying. A
(44:42):
total temporary rap man. But you know we're here for y'all. Man,
whatever it deals y'all need from us. Man, y'all need
that new one points or whatever. Man, shoot it over
this way. Dog. Well that's that's one thing I want
to say to Chicago. Man, we're gonna start. We've been
getting a lot of people hitting and stup. Now man
to bring this different cities and stuff. Man, We're gon.
We're gonna. We're gonna be pulling up in shot time
(45:03):
before y'all know, because I think ship Chicago brought the
number two markets. Like you know what I'm saying, Chicago
is the number two markets. The mortgage with the most
prime activity is all our top markets. Crases in guy,
I remember gonna say something about us you know what
I'm saying. But we own y'all man, and we appreciate
y'all man coming through the day. Man, y'all check out
(45:24):
the Steed and not marksters. They got some man. Well.
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Not with my homeboys. Jill and you all know what
it is, man. You know what, there's a lot of
stuff going on. I was talking to eight earlier, man,
and it seemed like we just on the repeat of
(01:27):
these ass bumpings and these killers that these police officers
are doing. Man. It's just like at the while, you're
just like, damn another one. Man. Uh. You know, we
found out that the police officer man and killed the
young brother Dante right doing the traffic stop, saying that
she must techndly drew her pistol instead of a tasan.
Then we had an army officer to get pepper strated
and stumped out. Man. It's like this is just a
(01:51):
recurrent theme right now, and I don't want to just
like I don't want to rehash a whole bunch of
stuff that's been said already. Man. But them, I don't
think that's wherever the end has been going on since
the sixties. Man, it's been going sixty sixties. The only
difference is now, man, as we got folks with their
camera phones out and everything else. Man, what with y'all
(02:14):
fail to realize that that with the the Trump ship
and all the other ship that's been going on, and
then people that ready to Capital some of them. Some
of them people were army people, police, the whole nine.
You have white racist people and law enforcement, and they're
(02:36):
showing you that they're racist. This ship ain't gonna stop
unless the courts start locking these motherfucker's up and and
they're not gonna do all of them. They're not gonna
lock all of them mouths. So I mean, whether you reply,
whether you get out the car and lay on your
motherfucking billy or whatever, it don't matter. Ship ain't gonna stop.
(03:00):
You're doing we got to do with this ship. There's
never no surprise, man. I don't I mean, I don't
even I don't understand how motherfucker's don't realize how you know?
To us, this is no shock, Like you said, it's
kind of it's kind of repetitious and ship because it's
the normal for niggers that grew up in that situation. Man,
(03:23):
you know what I'm saying, Accidental shootings or getting your
ass what about the police or ship was what we
learned to accept when we grew up in the motherfucking hood.
You know what I'm saying. Uh, A lot of us
motherfucker's wasn't out on on the on the corners, or
didn't give a fuck if we was getting dropped off
and enemy hoods or getting all asses beat in jail
(03:45):
by the CEO s or any of that ship. It
was normal territory. I mean, so it's kind of like
repetitious behavior that you keep seeing. But it's just the fact,
like you said, everybody got sucking camera phones and everybody's
so curious to see what these cops do to motherfucker's
because of you know, my man George Floyd or all
(04:06):
anybody else who's lost their life due to this era
of social media. But man, I grew up in a
time when it wasn't computers or social media and ship,
it was the normal ship. You got your ask what
by the police and somebody got killed, he wasn't running
down to the police station to report, you feel me?
Because it was something that we was branded into. That's
the dangerous part thought you got. You got the wheenie
(04:28):
cats want to be somebody, just like half of the
goddamn police and law enforcements was getting bullied and plunked
by certain motherfucker's. But now they got that title, they
can do anything, and they want to do anything just
to prove that they not pussies. I can sit here
and enable a whole bunch of motherfucker's out this way
(04:49):
that did this ship and and being plunked a whole nine,
But now they're considered that the hitters. Fuck that. You
know what I'm saying. That's just like when niggas go
to prison and come home buff. I tell them a
fucker like this, just because you got buff don't mean
your your hands are no better than what they want.
(05:11):
Before you start living weights, you're the same motherfucker. He
can't put no ways from that. You can't put it here.
You feel me, it don't happen like that. So just
need to just really see the reality of what what
what game banging is and the structure other ship. If
(05:32):
you don't understand that, you're fighting the lost cast because
all the odds against us anyway you feel me, whether
you're in Chicago, Atlanta, California, the whole nine, it's all
designed the same motherfucking way. But it takes and I
noticed it takes us until we get to our parties.
(05:53):
It takes us til we get to our fitties to
really realize that ship A smart motherfucker that get it
and his kids is the motherfucker. Other than that, I
ride with the homeies, you know what I'm saying, Yeah
for real man. And you know we got some brothers
man from Chicago to night Man, Shot towns on speeding
(06:13):
up mobsters Man, the only big rig Man, Turtle Banks
Man and lifting Stokes Man. How y'all fellers doing night Man?
Blast blast? Laugh? What's good? Man? So we're talking about
this thing, man, and the thing that like, um, I
would say, Man, really as far as game Coachu go man,
(06:36):
Los Angeles and Chicago, Man, it's probably two of the
main cities in the country, the first that's been having
to cracking like since the sixties. Would y'all agree yeah
on that? Yeah? And so like I was talking to
you a little bit off camera, Rig earlier about just
the differences. You were breaking it down to meet on
(06:57):
how Chicago go. I know, um, how to You know,
a lot of politics go in Chicago. You know, witside
is the dis the southside is is that and everything? Man,
with the level of crime that y'all got, Man, because
we alsome killing motherfucker's in Chicago. Man, you know what
it's always been that it's just pubicide right now, and
like Chicago a mob a mob city, meaning like the
(07:21):
move with stocksu So you gotta take when a day
or when those stocksures. But we still got schluck, if
that makes sense. So it's you know, it is what
it is right now. And it's like when the the
sayers knew what they was doing. Man, you know what
I'm saying. In the early two thousands, they was taking
(07:41):
away all the cheese on the street. You know what
I'm saying. It was sweeping. They were sweeping the street,
taking away all the gang leaders. They do. Once you
knock the head off, we got a whole bunch of
roaches and rattings and roaches and wrestles running away. You
know I'm saying, ain't no guidance, ain't no long You
know it's Chicago, and how y'all have looked to each
tough and like that. But you know, we got longs,
(08:02):
we got laws, we got order. You know what I'm saying,
We do prayers and everything. It's a whole different type
of structure with our gang culture. And it's like they
got to the way, man, ain't nun with just violence
and ain't no upliftment. It ain't no larning and no
cheese giving, no guidance, Ain't no O G. S telling
the shout he's are smacking the shoulda when you're out
of pocket. Ain't none of that, okay? Would you say?
(08:26):
Because I know back then, like as far as Chicago
go y'all had gang leaders like you see ahead about
the structure. It was serious. They almost ran that ship
like a business. Yeah it could you come on the
block kicking off nothing unless you've got okay. If you
did what it was your head, you was getting the
funking head. You might be sucking up. But five hours
(08:49):
and dollar day block over there was a goofy ship.
So you know you had to get the okay to
do stuff. You had to get okay. You know talking
to James about you know, talking to James he is
the originator of law and order um and he always
talks about that, like as far as God's main guard
the young people with certain principles and stuff like that. Man,
(09:12):
So would you say the lection you're saying that the
lack of leadership and O. G. S wing the penitentiary
kind of sparked all this killing, this reckless killing us
going on in Chicago, with that exactly a you know,
games man, and nobody do the hold of the hold
of the the accountable play and our date were accountable for
any action anything, you know, and that law. We had
(09:34):
to learn that, we had to understand that, we can
know that. Then we had to the consequence. So we
used got a gang of people outside. They're just more constable,
the just the right thing, old managed really and forget
the old one, all right, hold on, hold on, let's
drop a commercial real quick. We gotta pay some bills
in here, yeah, for sure. So so lifty, your name
(09:57):
comes from a notorious figure in Chicago. Man, I wanted
to always ask you, well you related to the he
wanted the living Stokes. No, you know, when I came
to my name now, I was like, I didn't want
to be like, you know, the New York niggas man
he was in all that Gambino, all that old Italian ship.
I wanted to come with some people that come from
our color, our culture in the game and made it big.
(10:21):
So I'm like, you know, I can't with the fruiting Stokes,
lifting Stokes. I'm like, I'm gonna be lifting stops, you
know what I'm saying. And represent for that. I ain't
gonna do the tag and ship there's gangs because around
that time everybody was this and that, don since in
you only and all this other stuff, right because they
don't like they don't like us anybody. Why the fu
(10:43):
you don't take their name back? That's invest in real
ship bro. So man, and um, I know these younger
cats in Chicago, man, as far as that whole drial.
Soon that they got down there, man, they really like that.
They really want it man, and like and them factions
that they got up because there's so many, like I
(11:03):
don't heard more women and all these different names or
those newer factors. Are those newer factions of like the
older games? Yeah? Yeah, basically what y'all gotta win up
was like for some reason the gang Coach had really
exploded in the two dollars of teens and levels, and
all you got was a bunch of game branging niggas
(11:24):
who weren't even wrapping, but they got famous all the
game banging, and they was like, man, how did we
make some money off one? And like, what's seeing that
started rapping? So then you get some chief keys and
little dirts them they just come straight from the slum
gang banging, didn't have nothing else to do. It was like,
I'm gonna turn the rapping. So Chicago people, we ain't
got no industry in Chicago. Really, you know, I'm ain't
(11:46):
no movies, ain't no music, ain't no labels up here.
So people got a real missing exception of Chicago. In
Chicago funked up, they didn't. You gotta be real, like
the New York niggas knew I train it. I'm gonna
be a character. You commonly gotta fucked up anything. They
really gotta put the murders in and let you know that.
(12:08):
They they got tim burnt bodies in one of they
built to make some music and get famous, and then
they just caught on. And then you got niggas in
New Glork doing a drill London and they really think
that's the ship the way they go. But really there
was so s they just got yeah, just hard, they explained.
But y'all was supposed to get there, you know what
(12:31):
I'm saying. And it was real ship that was going on,
and they got exposed and cloud as a motherfucker men famous,
everybody no famous. The worst social media that social media
as a motherfucker. Like I seen it. I mean you
can tell because, like I said, a lot of the rap,
you know, was was basically said, you get me. A
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lot of the rap was just it was cent trip
and it wasn't really rap. It was nigga the homie
killed your homie. Uh, you know, we from this block,
you know, fuck your bitch, fuck your whatever. Fuck if
you ain't from this hood. It wasn't really wrapped. It
was really like a lot of just what I called
banging one you feel me. And then because of social
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media and because of the the adolescence in the hip
hop right now, niggas took that as the new form
of rap. You give me, Papa purposet, Papa pill Uh,
fuck your bitch killed your nigga. I killed him. I
killed him. You know, we give a funk about them.
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That's just really a lot of banging on wax on
some real ship, niggas beefing on records to their neighborhoods
and getting popular because the kids, like my son, he's sixteen,
he loved that ship. You give me, he loved that ship.
When niggas talking about nigga, I came through. I popped
the bitch the homie call the murder. You know, you
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ain't gonna do ship. You ain't gonna pull that pistol. Nigga.
He loved a little Dirk ship and the King ship
and all that. He loves that ship. That's my son.
He didn't wanted my son. And I got a son
to play ball at usc no you know, young name,
and he put me up on all that because when
we used to go to them tournaments and seven of seven,
that's all he was banging. The car was a little
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dirt and King Vonolim and I noticed that left the
fathers that these short he's taking the reps. It's sound
a little too real, you feel I'm saying, you listen, ship,
I mean like on our aspect. You know, I talked
about drive bomb music. I talked about what happened with
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niggas pulled drive bins in the effects of the death
in the community and whatever. I didn't get on records,
and like, you know, I knew a nigga who got
killed from so and so hood, and I got on
record and said, yeah, y'all hold me from so and
so got killed. Nigga. He didn't to do that type
of ship. You know what I'm saying, but today it's
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the like I said, with the youth and the popularity
of social media and listening to that, and they look
at these young niggers and they be like all day
that nigga at my nick you know. So it kind
of drove that aspect of what music is today. You
feel me, because that's what some time it was some
different ship. Whatever we came up and music was to us,
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or when we tried to explain tales from the hood,
so to speak, what I tell motherfucker's we had telled
from the hood on the on the description of the
downfalls of the neighborhood. You get me of doing that
route they glorified the ship. Nowadays, you feel me it's
glorified to talk about the nigga who got his ass
killed last night, And I ain't talking about a fiction
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of your imagination character. They're talking about the nigga who
really got killed last night, you feel you know. And
going back to going back to just some stuff. Man,
the Turtle Banks, I gotta tell you it was on
the Legit Balls album. You had the hardest contentory song
after anything that don't have some family, go brother, go
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to ken. What was your name, that stuff. It was
on the thing and that was my cut. I've bling
that song. Everything was my theme song behind ball. Yeah
time who you had in your family? That was locked
up dog? Because that was a cold that that was
a cold beast. That got to be one of the
best ever made. Yeah, because it was some real stuff.
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And that's one thing I'm gonna take you the music
for a little bit, because you know that's not our format.
We don't talk about music when where you come for
your promo spots and stuff. We speak with real street
people about real street you know, stuff that's going on.
Y'all was kind of like the y'all was kind of
like the n w A in Chicago, so to speak.
Maybe before y'all, I can't really remember nobody because y'all
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came up with Twister. If y'all kind of gave him
up three day kind of you always kind of like
three D Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. You know, I mean
from the beginning, you know when when Twister first said
the saying he was with the beds and you know,
he was on the afrol Central ship. You know, when
I had told him wonder I hadn't talked with im,
said man, you know the fast they're cool, but you
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ain't talking about nothing. You know what I'm saying. I'm like,
you need to switch you then I'm like, you know,
not to beat, but like people like Bus, the Rare Man,
Novelty Round, Come and go. I was like Street Rapp,
thank us the rappers forever because it's the streets. The
streets ain't going nowhere, so you'll be able to talk
about the streets forever. You gonna have a career for
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ever talking about the streets like eight like sky Face Jay.
You know what I'm saying, It stays, the transcends the
test of time because you live in and every day.
So we took that, switched the style, love and watch
the money. That's crazy, man, because y'all really big news
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because for a minute, y'all worried you'll on the Twister.
Help we know y'all was on the drumming vation of
other projects right then, y'all with the with the like
the le jit ball and stuff. I thought the legit
ball stuff was gonna pope. We did. We did too,
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I mean you know, I mean we were we still
hold records. I mean we was doing We was doing
Gold four one dollars companies taking me put out from
south or south about southwest. We was killing you know
what I'm saying. And then that's when Atlantic, because we
were still in sad to Atlantic when we was dropping them, uh,
when we did Legit Ballers. So then they came back
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trying to school us, like, you know, y'all gotta stop that,
you know, bring it on the end to the family.
So when they tried to bring it into Atlantic, you know,
they had a deal for Twister to solo album and
they had a deal for Legit Baller is a million
for Twist to four point five for the Legit Baller label.
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For some reason, you know, Twister didn't want to do it. Somebody.
He was tiring people coming up on his name. So
he said, you know you have the four point five
on the table. When they gave it the t I,
that's o t I got grand hustle because Twister talk
the bread Dawn. He just wanted his media first solo album.
He said he didn't want to be binding with the
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rest of the ship. So he told me, like, you know,
I come to him. You ain't turning around four point
at you ain't doing no ship like that. Were like
he's just gonna be me and you. We're just gonna
get this red all you know, all the other ship.
You know what I'm saying. So the deal just fell
at the waist tide and so so so we just
that was the reason why them CD stopped coming out exactly.
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You know what I've wondered sometimes do it seems like
the people that them labels like playing the divide and
concrete game with brothers, like with black labels when they
come together like that, because see, I don't seen ship
like this was out for working on buildings. They'd come
and tell y'all that they four point five, and they
really offer them no ship like that, just to get
y'all kind of out the way. Because I noticed that
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the first thing they try to do is move everybody's
little street ties to him to get them water. Yeah
that's true. But the guys was in the in the
table with him when he said no, okay, I'll live. Yeah,
But like I said, even with it was see, we
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cousin structure man were game bankers, wig taritle bangs. We
folks who on the hustlers, vice lords, twisty ain't no
game banking, you feel me? So when we talk, I
worried my bond and I'm telling folks something. Well, I'm
telling rich something. You know what I'm saying. It's different
with a severe Let's put it like that away. You
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know what I'm saying. Hey, you know I know big Rick,
how long have you been on a in that lifestylet
of when I was actual activive? Some you know? Well
now I'm seven, don't twell? I came out. Yeah, so
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so what's the so as far as vice goes, I've
noticed it gotta be And maybe this is James, you
may can answer this. Is it a connection between the
games in Chicago, when the games and that like man
games in Chicago, the games in Chicago, when the games
in l A. All of us have been through a
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lot of ship, different ship, and it's just is their
connection between that something just to make you click and
make you just see everything but what it is and
if you water something down and you don't have to
just keep it one hunting, it is what it is
right around, you know what I'm saying. And a lot
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of those like my uncle's and all the people I
saw watching grow up, I wanted to be like that,
but I wanted to be myself. So I incorporated a
lot of different ships that I saw that I heard
and and implemented that ship and me. And so when
I did certain things, I believe I was doing the
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right thing every time I did it. And you know,
some cats today they don't think, They don't think at all.
I was taught to think and playing and put it
together before you go out there and do some stupid
ship and looks stupid doing it, you know what I'm saying.
So you know a lot of us brothers man understand,
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but don't fully get it until we get older. You
know what I'm saying. A lot of cats is running
around there talking about their men. I didn't. I didn't
realize I was a man until I was in my voties,
you know what I'm saying. So you know, some real ship.
So being a part of of of of being a
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game member, being the destructive and tanning up the neighborhoods
and doing all that ship. I can't be a hypocrite
and say a hypocrite and say them niggas is sucking
up there on some stupid ship, because we've all been
on some stupid ship growing up. Now, it's about how
did you fix our you know, touch these cats and
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let them see that the way they getting down is
not worth it and don't make sense, you know what
I'm saying. So if you got more fuckers to start
making records and telling them that the ship that they're
doing is file, put the pistols down and stop whoo
the woo woo. We ain't gotta shoot each other, we
ain't gotta hang with each other. Let's just stop killing
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each other. Y'all still over there, we stay over here,
and and and do I think we will grow? The
majority of a black man life is fagancy. Now is ship?
Back then it was fifteen. Now, motherfucker's probably make it
to twenty one, two years old, you know what I'm saying.
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So it's it's it's just a lot of ship that
comes with it, and you gotta understand where you're going
and where you're adding in the whole system. That's all
it is, is the system. It's something that the older,
the older, the generations before our tied started. We just
took it and took it to a different motherfucking level.
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And now it is what it is. It has no structure,
and it has no no loyalty. It has no it
don't have a hold on nothing, none of none of
the ship that that that motherfucker's just doing the day.
It don't mean ship because they're just doing it. Yeah,
you know what I think, man, And this is one
thing I noticed was I'm a reason from the Midwether too.
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But I've been out in California since eighty eight. I've
been here a long time, so I understand the game
thing as far as out here. And one of the
similarities gonna see between Chicago and then Layers that they
systematically took those maga figures out the neighborhoods. Some of
them happened to be po boys, but they used the
guys have boke and all the other stuff that you
on them and the regal charges and stuff on. They
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took the influential cats out the neighbor lives across the country,
and then that's when the kallos, the madness started had
like they tried to cut their head off. They cut
their head off. I mean, that's like that. It's the
fact of the matter is like ship, you take away
the motherfucker that's giving you structure. It's just like the
same situation you got the motherfucker that's giving you structure
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or family member or brother they killed here, what you're
ready to do that's gonna calm you down or that's
gonna make you get active. So, like like Games said,
it's a sort of a backfire because they know the
motherfucker's that they're putting away holds down the structure, got
the brain to love leadership to calm motherfucker ship. But
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that scares of motherfucker. When they have the smarts and
the intelligence, you get me, they feel they're ready to
deal with the knucklehead because the knucklehead gonna suck yourself
up real quickly. But you don't understand the knuckle heads
is the ones that's gonna go guerrilla warfare on your
motherfucking asked, because like they said, we don't really give
a fuck. We're just gonna go ballistic and go crazy
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and just shoot up everything. But you want to lock
up and they go, who can control all of that
and bring structure? That terrifies the motherfucker because look at this,
Look at what this motherfucker can do. Look he got
all this ship under control, So all he gotta do
is really if the motherfucker wanted to do is run ship.
He could really funck shut up. So they figured, well,
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ours is pretty much even your mother to the run
police officer, you got a problem. So it's it's pretty
much pretty much even there. You know. You know, one
of our first shows we talked about, you know, just
just surrender. You know that's not so easy to do.
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When the police funk with you. They already got an
agenda when they approach you. You're a black man, he
got something, so the odds against you when as soon
as he walked up to you, his mind is already
made up opposed to walking up to somebody, a white guard,
a white guy in the car, and the wars that
let him have it because the white boys ain't playing
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with him. We sit here, our races are so fucking
passive and humble when it comes to the police and
everything else. But when it comes to us, we're ready
to destroy. Yeah, but everybody starts rhyme when the police
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killed one of us. You know what I'm saying, Let's
get a march, was stopped killing each other. You know
what I'm saying, Well, we ain't doing none of that
ship because they know they can't stop that ship. They
can't stop it, but you can stop it. You can
go to the hood and and get it all the
hitters and and everybody put bearing that ass. Brothers from
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the penitential, let them know when you're coming this motherfucker.
Your asses out't come and come to prison for killing
the black man. And this is what the Mesicans did.
If you come to prison for killing the Mexican, your
ass can't live in no prison, can't be on no yard.
And that's what they did out here in California in
the eighties. That's real, that's real, right, there's nowhere to hide,
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nowhere to hide in there. So and that's that's one
of the ways that that that mm hm. The penitentiary
as a motherfucker. And if you're not ready or bill
ploy yeah, and you don't even know where they're getting from.
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But they died and they had some pink underwear. But
your hey, first of it's a motherfucker, but it definitely
can make a man out of you. And it definitely
showed you know something, mother to go to jail and no, mother,
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just go to jail. No. It teaches you. I'm telling
you what they do. You got cash that go out
there and what you know what you can come back
to their cell and later when we came up and
he whoop your ass. Everybody knows killing you know what
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I'm saying, first and foremost in there. Motherfucker's all that
how the head and ship? You think you are gay?
Let's see you was tested. You know you're not getting
that today. You're not getting that. Bad motherfucker ready to
come check you because now why they have changed the laws.
The laws are different from back then attempt the murderer
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getting for the years attempted. I might want to kill
the motherfucker. You know, they're not giving you what what
you was getting. You know, the slap on the wrist
and the eight in the nineties. You're not getting that ship.
So being an o G man, goddamn, that's that's double
Japany if I if I go fucking just literally and
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this little then get every found I do something to it,
I'm in prison for the rest of my life. But
you know everything, you get your time. Man. We just
gotta figure it out, and figure out and and and
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turn the dump ship into positive ship. It's gonna be
very hard to do that. We need to have some
co instructor that would be that that would be hella.
But because it'd be a gang of niggas, it would
be a gang of nigga skin to go to motherfucking prison.
No one that the old JS is in there waiting
on motherfucker's You know what I'm saying. That would be
a hell of a structure to get a motherfucker's. You
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come in here for shooting another nigga, then you you
just wait to see what happens when you get in here,
because that's where you had it. You feel me too.
That's why motherfuckers don't want one part of that ship.
If you can't, they ain't trying to run up. They
ain't trying to run up and gets un the niggas.
Man you've been talking about bad with the jellies and
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all that bad. They is not ready to run up
against one of them, not at all. No man, y'all,
y'all be overlooking the point. The point is you got
some grown ass man out there that all that less,
I don't have nothing else ain't gonna stand the hood.
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And for him to stand the he gotta have these
little soldiers. He might be under covered with the bullshit,
but it's somebody just keeping motherfucker's on the grind is
everybody got somebody in the hood that's on some fucked
up ship. If Alcol watch the big homie, this motherfucker
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fifty sixty sixty five years old still with the business
man longevity too, I might be able to make it
to his age with the business. So all it is, man,
grown ass man needs to really grow the funk up
and say that and see the big picture here. We
ain't doing ship but destroying us. That's all we're doing.
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And I know, I know for a fact I did
it for a long goddamn time. But and I can't
be a hypocrite about it. And I know what because
he's thinking, Nick is just thinking some motherfucker's doing for
recreational reasons. They ain't got enough to do in the hood.
You get drunk and you let the liot a take
your motherfucker somewhere else. And and now, yeah, I didn't
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kill the mother because I got drunk, just as simple
of that. It's just stupid. Ship, Nigga is just stupid.
We we'd be on some stupid ship and we just
need to wake the punk up and think, man and
ship is is out of hand now, he's out of hand.
So you know, until it happened to you or somebody
in your family, that's when mother fuckers start to wake up.
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That's a real ship, man, because it's so many similarities, man,
because one thing is Bigwest period. You know, Chicago Detroit
took them, you know, y'all man to take two things,
two different things. You know, to the y'all do everything
to the and the game almost I don't stuff to places,
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but yeah, that's cool. Like but we might have said
on the West side, so the West Side we known
for getting money. So like that the day this outside
with your area where the family like ground, my num
came from down part where they came on like Grandpa
might work. He by the crib. They got a house.
We talked about the partners in it. It's long. Well
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you know, my daddy might not have been around and
mama get the uh, the aide and all that big rick.
We can enter this part off. You got your things on.
Clicking that you take the motherfucker's off. Dog, you sound
like you wond the water on the motherfucker's don't want
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to hear what you see? Yeah, I mean, you know,
stay whatever you was all over again because oh, you're
trying to be trying to be cool to see that,
but that but that couldn't when we were got them.
So what we're saying, No, we're from the last as
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of Chicago, right, So the differences we come from money man,
we love the huckle. We love get money. You know
back in the day on the South Side. That's why
all the backs I grated too. And uh that you
know how money came from down software he came from
he got the god might to create a piece of property.
So the next generation win after process. Us we come
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from out the I'm the deal is, Daddy might not
have been around, you know, he might have been hospital
mama getting the best that check O the aid check
and we gotta get some money. But them process we're seeing,
you know, like them. I stayed around the corner from
me and knew him. We need my godfather. So we're
seeing people like they're all our life is you want
to get money. So the West Side people, we just
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like to get money all that with that, but we
all do that that I didn't the other guy have
to do it. But yeah, black Peace Stone, that was Yeah,
you know what I'm saying, I wanted to ask me
when they was trying to black Pea Stones down. Yeah,
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black Pea Stone, Agent of Stones still got people, still
black Peace stones. Yeah. When we saw that on cut
with one of the movies, he was like, damn the
stones out down. You know what, men, they's up again.
We don't see Roy because he was trump con you
know what I'm saying. So because he took the lid
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out there. All right, let's take a quick commercial break
and we'll be back. So so so let me ask
you this, and I keep talking about the similarities between
Chicago and that late because that's why I love old
guys there. The guys then we come up. I believe
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that James at correct me if I'm wrong with any point. Yeah, man,
we we we we Like I said, we are nigga
like myself. I grew up in the hood, so I
was structured on that ship. That's why I tell people
a lot of my music was sales from the neighborhood
because I was actually right there living that ship. So
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as a young adolescent, I was victim to a lot
of that bullshit too. What I'm saying, uh, just being
a product of my environment. So you know, um, A
lot of people asked today, you know, do we feel
responsible for the music we made? And how you know, uh,
you see the youngsters now days and how they're crazy
and going wild and whatever, and do we feel responsible
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for what? You know, because a lot of niggas say that, man, ship,
I was in prison, I listened to you or I did.
I did plenty of drive bys and listening to your ship,
you know whatever. So you know, it was just man,
I'm like I said, me being a product of my environment,
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me being a product of my environment. It was it
was stuff that I saw and stuff that I witnessed
that I just felt like I had to share my
stories with other with other brothers who were caught up
in the situations that I felt I was in. You
feel me because I always felt like not just sucking competent,
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it's niggas, that's hood everywhere. You feel me, Chicago, down South, Mississippi, Atlanta, Texas.
You know. So that's what I made music for. I
made music to try to depict every nigger who was
stuck in that trap. You feel, Okay, I gat I gain't.
I didn't nigga's that neighborhood theme. Use Man, I just
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started doing that music because I knew what it was about.
Because when I was making music, I was still hopping
in the back of ods, cards and ship you feel me.
So that's why my music resignated with a lot of youngsters.
As far as how we adults now, like I said,
we weren't supposed to make it this far man living
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a lifestyle we was living, but we was. We were
fortunate enough that we were able to start making music
and we were able to start participating and writing down
our tails of what we knew and what we experienced.
Didn't happen to go out there and experience it in
the long run, you know what I'm saying, So that
kind of benefited in some ways. Yeah, it's the media too,
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you know what I'm saying, because you think about it.
When we was coming up, and it was when we
was in the nineties, it was nineteen hundred murders up
in this here. You know what I'm saying. It was
that and triple what it is now. But back then,
when the grand and aunt is getting hit, no babies,
it was if you got hit, we had it come.
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You know what I'm saying. Now, all these innercy white
hands getting hit, man, just like I said, you you know, pussy,
you're jod He want to stand get your feedback, and
just he' here on what he's doing. He's just waving
that mother and he got his glass clod that that's
the thing right there. And we talked about it, when
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we talked about it all the time. Man, Like, I'll
be honest with you, man, I got kids, you know,
like James said, you really don't know you're a man.
To get you to your forties, that's when you're really
on top of your ship kind of, you know. And
I think I got kids. I got the son as
twenty years old. I got the story. So when I
see these jam cats out here, man getting murdered by people,
whether it's the police or the hands of our owners,
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I'm gonna tell you this, buddy, we kill more of
our own people than we any other motherfucker's everything else. Yeah,
we get a lot of gown man, so real it
sucks me up, man um. As far as the kids
in Chicago, man, I know kids out here, a lot
of them give a funk about with no old making
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better say. And we respected our old g We're respecting
our man. And I one thing is is this man,
I'm tired of mother fucking verching. I'm tired of the
motherfucking protesting and ship and it's starting to James saying, Man,
I think we gotta start with all the ship man
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and really start. But we to my own motherfucking neighorhoods
because I would to tell somebody else to stop doing
this and doing that. But we still each other, not
excusing what they're doing at all, not excuse me what
they're doing at all. But I am more likely to
lose my life to the hands of another nigga than
I am a police officer. Hey, hey, it was the
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eight Well, I don't know if you remember, we had
kicking rounds in Long Beach of Long about ten years
teen years ago. It was at Long Beach in a
little club up now. I was with Twist me. He
was back there blowing and ship kicking it. I was settled, man,
and the Q raised me. Man. It was my daddy's
so and you knowthing to talk about. I was like, okay,
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that's the law. That that's law right there, and that's
I presented myself. I ain't gonna that so I any
trip when the shorts week because I was like Damn,
I'm gonna love MC eight q Q say he I
skilled the bitch killer cop killer that you know what
I'm saying. That loves it ain't really a solution to
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none of this ship. So all this ship is just
exercise and futility because motherfucker's gonna still keep you what
they're doing. Nigga's gonna still keep killing each other. Police.
We're gonna be flowing through this motherfucker as long as
niggas walking. Thereat go be out the the whook that
I asked, So you know, just it's all you can't
do ship but laugh at it man and trying to
take care of your own you know what I mean,
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Try to just make sure your own people is right.
Y'all still let me ask you'll let me ask you'
all this one question because I consider y'all, you know,
to come from the era of my music. So do
y'all feel pressured to compete or try to be uh
what the masses of music are? Or do you feel
(43:15):
comfortable staying in your own lane and being who to
speed not mobsters are? I'll tell you like this to me,
you gotta keep your love for him because the music
is here. To destroy your love for the gang. You
know what I'm saying, He destroy your love for the music.
You gotta stay at Brest and what's going on, keep
up with the current slang, and you can still stay
(43:36):
in your lane, you know what I'm saying. Like with us,
we gotta label Mob Town Entertainment. So we're bringing up
a monster of the youngsters, you know what I'm saying.
So we know we need to in order to get
our label out that we need to come with some
stuff ourselves because we got the bug to wrap again anyway,
you know what I'm saying. So yeah, just long you
stay current, listening to the music, know what's after, catch
(43:58):
your lane, just get your a little sound, but still
reminisces a the old They need the lover that hate.
That's all I say. Man, And and all the old
geees out there. Man, you're still doing it. Do what
y'all do because you still got motherfucker's like me to
go streaming ship and buying. It's a whole bunch of
niggas like me. There's old niggas just still want to
(44:19):
hear some good music. You see what I'm saying. That king,
you know me, it's a fifty year. I love what
these young niggas do, but I can't d it wrong
like that that we're just lying right me pulling up
on somebody listening to some of the ship that these
niggs be making. You know what I mean, it's just
don't knocking what they do. But that's my key and
that's not me. You got so I got a certain
lectament contemporary right now. You see what I'm saying. A
(44:42):
total temporary rap man. But you know we're here for y'all. Man,
whatever it deals y'all need from us. Man, y'all need
that new one points or whatever. Man, shoot it over
this way. Dog. Well that's that's one thing I want
to say to Chicago. Man, we're gonna start. We've been
getting a lot of people hitting and stup. Now man
to bring this different cities and stuff. Man, We're gon.
We're gonna. We're gonna be pulling up in shot time
(45:03):
before y'all know, because I think ship Chicago brought the
number two markets. Like you know what I'm saying, Chicago
is the number two markets. The mortgage with the most
prime activity is all our top markets. Crases in guy,
I remember gonna say something about us you know what
I'm saying. But we own y'all man, and we appreciate
y'all man coming through the day. Man, y'all check out
(45:24):
the Steed and not marksters. They got some man. Well.
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