May 8, 2025 • 61 mins
In this episode Eiht and Steele discuss the case of Rodney Hinton Jr. Who ran over an Ohio Sheriff over with his car because of his son being gunned down during him allegedly fleeing from the police. We also discuss the case of a white woman being rewarded for hurling racial slurs toward an autistic black youth, has Kanye West lost his mind? and much more
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Hey, you know what some funny shit is though. It's
this woman I guess that's tripping on this little kid
in the park, right, a white woman, white woman, right,
and she went off on a kid or whatever, and
some dude some other brother recorded the right action. Foo.
I guess you know, she was dropping the N word
(01:02):
multiple times, you know, call him a little nia and
he recorded her. You know that woman who raised six
hundred thousand dollars already.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Well, from what I heard, there was a.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
It's on some you know, white supremacist groups and people
who support you.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Know her.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Whatever she you know, whatever she believes in whatever. So
it's a lot of those people who raise money for her.
That's how she's she's made. She's they they've raised over
seven hundred thousand dollars for her, a few few extremist groups,
white supremacists, people like that, you know, So you know.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
This is crazy, man. I guess this happened at Minnesota, right,
I wonder why is the stuff like this don't ever
happen in our neck of the wood.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Well, first of all, you gotta try to figure out
and understand what is the raising of the money for
what is she potentially.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Was gonna lose her job, gonna have to.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Relocate, you know, you know what actually is the money
being raised?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Well, I guess because she now has to move because
she has been so big that she has to move
right now. And it's like even they even found out
what she works out at. I guess this is in Rochester, Minnesota.
And the kid that she was the kids, the kid
is at the autistic Yeah, so she went off on
(02:46):
an autistic kid. Ah, And then this is crazy. I'm
not gonna going to playing a video and everything else
like this. I noticed that people are getting more and
more uncomfortable then with really we're really using racial ship.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
You know, well, you know.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
It ain't that people been getting coming, people being comfortable
with the ship for a long time.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Now you get me.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
It's just that, you know, it's frowned upon more, you know,
because it's now you know, social media.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
There we go, It's all good, keep talking, you know, social.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Media and ship you know has elevated, you know, certain ship.
But it's it ain't like it's uh like we a
stranger to motherfuckers calling us the N word. I mean,
we call each other niggas as as a gesture of
friendship or homey ship or whatever. What's up my nigga?
Speaker 1 (03:55):
What's up? Won't? We won't. But you know.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Now that we got the Internet and shit is being broadcast,
that the light has frowned upon because it is you know,
in terms when it's used upon different races, it's it's
it's racial.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
You feel me.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
So you know, I'm just picturing the grown ass woman
though calling a little artistic kid out of his name,
and if I would have been at her through some
hot coffee on that picture, well.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
You gotta understand. Well then you see now that comes
into play of what your retaliation would cost you. You know,
now that's physical retaliation. Now you facing jail time and
lawsuits because you know, somebody done called you out your
name or call the kid out the name something that
(04:49):
we're not strangers to. You feel me, ain't nobody stranger
that shit mo Funck. And then it depends on what
neck of the woods you're living in, because there are
those types of places that you know, you can find
yourself in, those type of communities that are you know,
predominantly Caucasian based, and you know, if you happen to,
(05:12):
you know, find yourself upon those type of communities, then
you're gonna have to deal properly with some of the
repercussions of what they think of of us. You feel
they've been thinking that's a long time still you've given.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, you know what, I don't know if I through
no hot coffee on her, man, but I ought to
definitely check that bit. Her name is Charlie Little Hendrix,
I guess, and she's saying that you need to relocate
her family due to the response to the video. And
I noticed many they haven't been you know, we've always
had racist motherfuckers in this country, right as long as
(05:51):
me and you've been walking deserving before us, right. But
I do believe that white folks are more comfortable than
ever was showing they as.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Well.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
You know, like I said, a lot of people feel
that certain laws protect them in the right of believing
in what they believe in.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I mean, you know, we.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Have a shit set up to where you know, we
have racial crimes and shit like that. But I guess
people be feeling like in her aspect as the freedom
of speech allows her to call the motherfucker you know,
a nigga. You know, she feels in her basis and
(06:36):
how she was raised in the community she supports and
the people that supports her, and what she believe in.
She has that right to say that word if she
wants to, like, you know, shit is you know, she
feeling like what what it's if I can call the
motherfucker that if I want to shit?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, we evidently she did, and she's about to be
rewarded for it. She's about for sure to be rewarded
for this race. You said, seven hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Now, I mean, like I said, unfortunately, like you know,
it's still people who believe in that shit, you get me.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
It's people who still you know.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Great grandparents and grandparents who you know, in embedded in
them in the history of what they believe in, and
it's just passed on and they're still communities and people
who have the right to have these groups. You see,
you know, niggas dressing up in their uniforms going out
(07:44):
to protest that certain shit. So there's definitely still communities
and people across the globe who are in support of
that shit, and so they feel they probably feeling like
she's a hero to them.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
It me they hate us, that bad man hate it
scrowm as a motherfucker dog.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Is is? Is it? Like you said?
Speaker 3 (08:09):
But is that support welcome in the black community as
on the same aspect. You know, if if you were
living in a in a white community and called a
motherfucker out of eight, you know, you called a motherfucker
that motherfucker word, or you know, something that they don't
(08:29):
like or they despise. What the what the what the
black community be in support of raising money to help
you relocate your family in the situation of you might
be caused harm or you know, it might be some
bullshit going down. Do you think it would work vice versa.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
See, that's the thing, I don't know, you know what
I think we would get like the fuck up, I
think we would have issues.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Do you think do you think the homies in the
black community would get together and raise over seven hundred
thousand dollars to donate to you if you was in
the in the in the in the same situation.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
You know what, I don't know, man, because the little
boy's family has raised six hundred thousand so far. The
little boy there was the victim of this white woman.
His family has raised six hundred thousand. The family told him,
you know, people stopped giving them. They shut it down,
you know. And what were they raising money for? Well,
I guess somebody started raised decided to raise money on
(09:30):
their behalf. Let me see how I tell you right now?
They had decided to raise money on behalf of this
kid write some organization. Let me see. Let me tell
you right now. H uh huh. Because the guy that
(09:50):
that busted out, right, But the guy that busted her out,
they found out that he had a criminal pass or
whatever the this is stuff he's been exonerated on, right. Uh,
So he's had a little bit of backlashing. I guess
they were raising money for, you know, the wellness of
the little boy or whatever. This is how I feel
(10:12):
about all this stuff. Man. I don't even know if
we honestly will ever get through this racism shit. Man.
I think people feel the fuck the way they feel,
and that's what it is. I won't go as far
as to say that we no longer have in America
as black people, African Americans, whatever you want to call it,
but we will say that we got to start kind
(10:35):
of just kind of hanging with our own I'm all
about like creating our own shit. Man. I'm thinking like,
and I'm nowhere and everybody any meanings racist? Man, I
got white family members, right, But I do think that
America has su you time again that there's more motherfuckers
that think a fucked up way than not. You feel
(10:58):
what I'm saying. I think a lot of people of
staying hiding, and when they get a chance to be
anonymous with their racism, they exercise that. If it me
and them sending some money to some bis that don't
cut up, they do that. If it means them voting
for a motherfucker that's go putting certain laws in place
that could possibly impede me and you or hurt people
(11:19):
like me and you, I think they win it, especially
if they can do it behind closed doors. And so
I really think, you know, to conquer that, man, I
think that we need to start supporting our own. We
need to start supporting black businesses, and we just stopped needed.
We need to stop supporting motherfuckers that don't fuck with us.
(11:41):
I don't know why people can't understand that. Man. If
they don't fuck with us over at Target, stop shopping
at Target, they don't support us over at If they
acting a certain way to us at this place, stop
supporting them. Yeah, I mean, I guess, But that's that's
that's a that's a strong commitment for you know, people
(12:08):
to make when you know some people are addicted to
the walmarts and the Targets and these these these uh
these places you feel me.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
So sometimes it might be hard, you know. You you
might tell people let's boycott and let's do this and that,
but most of the time motherfuckers is you know, That's
why I be saying. You know, you could talk a
good one to people, but it's hard to get people
to join in and follow along, you know what I'm
(12:42):
saying when when they're comfortable with those vices, you feel me.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Yeah, now you being Have you ever experienced racism.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
If I ever experienced, I mean I've experienced racism to
the point of uh racial profiling, you know, being a
young black kid or a young y.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah, we don't all feel that. I'm talking about somebody
just coming out.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
I've never had to deal with that, you know, Thank
God that you know, I've been able to h stay
amongst my peers, so to speak. I've never put never
been in a situation to where I've encountered, uh, those
(13:43):
type of people, you know, because you we come I
come from a different walk of life. You get me,
and I might not be necessarily the person that somebody
might want to express their racial you know, their racial
(14:06):
feelings towards you give me. Yea with us, we're going
on tours and going to different towns and sections, and
you know, always having security and homies with you. I've
never uh come across someone who has been that blatant
(14:29):
to just call us niggas or or you know, step
out of line on some racial ship, because you know,
in my earlier days that might have turned into physical
violence for someone.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
You give me.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I think I've seen I've had situations, man, when I
was younger, right, especially living in Ohio to where I've
had guys roller buck calling this, you know, screaming in
the word out the window or whatever like that. I
actually had an incident one time. We was in the
Taco bell meaning the Homies, right, and we was with
one of the Helmies, and the white homie knew karate
(15:14):
like this dude really was a fool with it, right.
That was the homy right right. And these white folks
in there, I think they was at some Kinch State
University students. They was in there, you know, saying derogatory shit,
but in a different language, laughing, and he knew that,
and he said, why don't you pussy said like say
it in English. So we got into a melee in there.
(15:38):
When I tell you that homies was kicking people upside
the head, I'm talking about bras dudes. You know. We
gave them white folks the business in there. We almost
went to jail for that though, even though they started it,
even though they kind of threw the first punch, we
ended it, but we almost went to jail. They didn't
give a fuck about us talking about what they said
or this and that. They didn't give a damn. So
(16:00):
hell Yeah, I've experienced that type of stuff, and I
think would make it more crazy about states like California.
I think it's a whole bunch of white folks to
feel that way out here. But they know if they
go to Lakewood, Comped, the Long Beach anywhere talking that shit,
they might get s lived. That white woman would have
said some shit like that in Gonzales Park or somewhere
like that, she'd have got her ask.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
But you know they're gonna and that's one thing about
you know, their kind, they gonna stay in their community.
What it is is you have to be careful about
venturing into their neck of the woods, because they damn
sure ain't gonna come to our neck of the woods.
They ain'tn't come to count They ain't gonna come to
(16:44):
Watch or South Central or or or the spots in
Chicago or New York or wherever it's vicious. They gonna
stay amongst themselves, now, you know, because being out of bounties,
being slipping, and you know, they want to be comfortable
in their own skin. So that's why they stay in
(17:07):
their surroundings. It's it's just that when we you know,
as African Americans, as Black people feel that we have
the right to stay anywhere the fuck we want to,
that we can afford, or we can whatever whatever. You know, Uh,
(17:28):
it's it's us venturing into their nigative woods. It's where
you are forced to deal with the recu repercussions of
racism still because unfortunately, just like I had to tell
my son, you know, it still exists.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
You get me, you know it's out there.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
You know, you can't be naive to the fact that
even though you're black and proud and you know you
can whoop a motherfucker's ass or that type of aspect
you feeling, they feel just as strongly about. Hey, you know,
if it's a nigga in my neck of the woods,
and if I'm feeling a certain way.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
You know, I'm gonna yell it out.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
You know, no telling what led up to the situation
of her blurting out that shit you feel me to
someone's kid. Yeah, well evidently she said the little boy
wanting her kid's bag or whatever. Again, this kid you
talking about an autistic kid. I have a nephew that's
on the spectrum, right, and sometimes they'd like to do
(18:31):
little things like my nephew if he makes you ate.
He would come up and just touch your hands. You
feel what I'm saying, that's how he kind of you know,
that's what he does. You know, like he'd come up
and touch my hands and grab my fingers whatever, I
hold his hand or whatever. I just think, man, for
people to treat a child that way, Man, it shouldn't
be a place in society for nothing like that, because
you know, white, black, green, and whatever a child.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
As a child.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah, and again we we are.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
We are acceptable to certain shit because we feel as
adults we've come out of a lot of shit being
black men. But like I said, some people just feel
comfortable about the blatant, you know, racism that there is. Uh,
(19:27):
some people just feel strongly about that shit. Like I said,
you can get on the internet any day and see
racism matter as full as you know. There's groups, there's websites,
there's blogs. You know, it's just unfortunately, you know, it's
something that we have we've had to come through. We
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feel strongly as a people about who we are as
black people. You know, we can stand up for ourselves. Now,
We'll whoop the motherfucker ass. And I dare you to
say some shit but like again, these are people who
feel strongly in their beliefs.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Of they don't like us, you get me.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
And so for uh, you know, for you know, like
you're saying, for it to be the situation of the
little kid going in somebody's bag or whatever, which is
which is? You know, you have to understand, uh, the
the mentality of the child on the spectrum. So who
(20:30):
knows she not knowing. But still it's not a case
of her, you know, blatantly just calling him out his name, uh,
not knowing what the what the situation is. You know again,
you know the thing is possible. She feel comfortable, And
(20:52):
I'm gonna say this ship, I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah, because you know what, bro, I've had situations to
where I might be in the strummer, right, had a
situation to where a little white boy and threw like
a little car, one of them little toy cars. He
threw it at me. Right, it didn't hurt, nothing kind
of hit me. What was I gonna do? All off
and slept the shout out the little boy a little kid.
I just kept it pushing, you know what I mean?
Some pairs you know, the mom said, oh I'm sorry,
(21:17):
and went on about her business. I wasn't tripping, Yeah,
because who knows, you know what I'm saying. Uh yeah,
you like some people you I don't know. I don't know,
Like I said, uh, I just think we losing our
mind in this country. And I know you heard about
this one man, the brother Rodney hitting junior man who
(21:39):
ran over the who ran over the police officer behind
his son getting shot.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
No, what's what's what's that?
Speaker 2 (21:47):
You haven't heard about that? Eight?
Speaker 1 (21:49):
I ain't heard about that one.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Okay, this brother Ridney hitting junior and his son was
shot dead by police right the night before and he
just got denied bond and killing the sheriffs deputy. You know,
after the disturbance in court. His son was evidently in
some kind of incident in the stolen car whatever. I
don't quite know the full details of it, right, but
(22:15):
what it was, the police say his son had a
gun whatever, which they can't see on the body camp
for them, so they shot him right. Oh, boy was
so mad he went after the next day and ran
over a deputy. Now say that I've heard a few
(22:39):
people say that it was the same guy that shot
his son. One I've heard that it wasn't the same
I heard. He just went and got a motherfucker. Right.
If you would have saw this brother walking court man
with all these it was a whole bunch of shrifs
like standing in the road beside him, and he walked
between them motherfuckers just goooning that. They asked like, yeah,
I do I do something? This man is traumatized behind
(23:03):
his son getting killed. He wasn't having it, but he's
gonna whack the motherfucker. Now here's my thing? Where do
I understand that father's anger? Do I understand this? Ain't
you damn right? If somebody did something to any one
of my kids, ain't no telling what I would do,
ain't no telling what she would do? You probably this
(23:23):
man probably have lost his mind, a step who had
a mental break for short, right, But I see him
making no difference, right. But I think it would have
been viewed differently had it actually been the motherfu that
shot his son. He's going to ring the motherfucker over.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yeah, that's that's tough right there.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Yeah, it's real tough.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Fuck that they recovered the gun that they said the
kid had.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
No and they don't have bodycam footage here. There is
shooting hip to it. I'm gonna I'm gonna read. I'm
gonna give it a low down on it. Rodney Hing Jr.
Who authorities say intentionally hitting killed in Ohio sheriff's deputy
with a car after his son was fatally shot by police,
but remained in jail without bond while he a wasted
(24:16):
trial and the murder chars King Jr. Was the ninth
bond of the Twoday court hearing in Cincinnati. He has
charged with aggravated murder for the main second killing of
Hamilton County shriff Deputy Larry Henderson. There would be an
order of the man with no bond. He is a
shorter safety of the defender and any mental health treatment
that he can be granted. Hamilton County Judge Tyrone Yates
(24:39):
said the hearing is the things the building in the
case that began last week in Cincinnati, police shot and
killed Hnton Junior's son. Police said eighteen year old Ryan
Hendon was one of four men who were fleeing at
the officers found him in a stolen car, and that
he was armed when he ran. Hing Junior's attorney Clyde
Bending the second end of the plea of not guilt
(25:00):
on his client's behalf and request Dell. During the two
his hearing, Bennett asked for him Junior not to be
thought of as a cop killer, but a person with
mental illness. I don't think he was a cop killer.
I think he's not in his right mind, Ben said,
And I think he should be treated like any other
mentally ill person that commits a crime under the auspicies, control,
and authority of a mental defense in that condition. After
(25:23):
the hearing begins, the turbans erupted in the gallery and
Hiding Jr. Was rushed out of the courtroom by law enforcement.
The man yelled, I just want my brother to see me.
The hearing resumed after the man was esported out and
Hing Jr. Was brought back into the courtroom. Bennett told
Jameson for his acknowledgement, the man was not hitting Junior's brother.
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So if you would have sort of look on these
police officers face, hey, you know how they are while
nobody kills one of their own, right, I'm surprised one
of them guys didn't pull a gun out. They hokster
man to shoot that dude. The way they was looking at.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Her, they didn't have a chance, because you definitely would
have they would have roughed him up, you know what
I'm saying, once they got a hold of him.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
I mean, that's kind of yeah, it's deep.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Yeah, that that's a hard one right there, because as
a father with a son, you know, there's there's no
extent or length that you wouldn't go through to protect
your son.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
And you know only you know the morale of your son.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
It's unfortunate that you know, like I said, we don't
know what kind of lifestyle he was living. I mean,
because for them to turn around and say he was
with other dudes in a robbery and all that shit.
But the thing is you you you don't have evidence
(27:05):
of a weapon and you don't have bodycam footage. So
that's what makes it suspicious on a father's behalf. You
give me, I had no answers to why you shot
my son. You you saying like you know and your
your your evaluation of your son is like, my son
ain't robbing no motherfucking body, you know what I'm saying.
(27:28):
And he definitely had no pistol unless you know your
son is in that lifestyle. So that's gonna that's gonna
fuck up ship right there. Uh, And then when you
looking for answers there or none, you give me why
you shoot my son? You say he had a gun,
but there's no gun found, and then you had no
(27:50):
Now we got no body cam footage, So I don't
know what the fuck y'all did. Y'all could have just
jumped out and just start shooting my son on the
active being on the aspect of being you know, paranoid cops.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, it's a whole bunch of look at and especially
you know with this brother, I do think it's a
mental illness thing. Man. You know, it's so much wrong
on both sides of this. Right, you got the police
once a youn' gunning down a brother they said they
had a gun, that didn't have a gun, right, and
you got to sheriff that has lost his life. You
(28:25):
feel what I mean that that you know he's not
coming home in his family now. I just think that
whenever you had a loss of life on both sides,
it's just a bad thing. I do think this is
a mental illness thing on out and I hope that
they don't look at this as a personal thing because
I think this man on had a mental break. He
lost his.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Son, well, definitely out of a mental break. If it's
thart process was, I'm gonna go out here, and who
knows what it is. I don't want to say that
they was planned. He could have been he could have
been fucking rolling around one day and just seeing the police,
(29:05):
you know, and and just snapped.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
You get me.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
My answer, because that's that's traumatic. You know, that's on
any parent losing their kid in the situation of being
shot and killed, you know, you know, and to be eighteen.
You get me that that's devastating. I be devastated if
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something happened to my son, somebody shot and killed my
son at eighteen years old.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
I don't know what to deal with it.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
I don't know, you know, I just hoping pray that
you know, I'm gonna rebut that man, that me and
you ever have to go through some shit like that,
because I don't know how I processed that.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Right, and so it's hard to say what his thought
process was.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
And for the fact that you know, most of the
times you deal with these situate, these these parents who
deal with that aspect of their child going through that
gang life and being murdered and a drive by and
not getting answers or whatever. You know, this man had
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the police killed him.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
You get me. So you already gotten you know, there's
already that.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
That love hate, you know, relationship that we as black
people have with the police.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
You get me.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
A feeling being felt racial profile as a as a
as a black man, and now knowing what you might
have had to go through as a young motherfucker with
the police. You just knowing in this day and age,
you got an eighteen year old son, you could just
imagine that situation right there.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
So man, and I imagine they you know, that's what
I think God, that cats like me and you had
certain attributes and talent and opportunities to allow us to
take our kids out of those type of situations.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Yeah, because it's it's it's you can't prevent it. You
get me.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Growing up in the neighborhoods, you know, you gravitate to
niggas in the neighborhood. You know, those be the niggas.
You play football with the niggas, You ride bikes with
the niggas. You you know, uh go to school with
from from from elementary on up to high school and
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and and so it's hard to escape that when you're
living in the neighborhood. It's a it's almost like a
right the passage. You get me, And most of the
time it don't even have to be family family affiliated.
You get me or my brother was in the gang
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and then my cousin and wut you want? Sometimes just
growing up in the hood and befriended niggas from your childhood.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
You know, a shit nigga.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
We was in the second grade together, fifth grade together,
seventh grade together, tenth grade together, and then we live
in around the corners from each other, in the same community,
same neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Like I said, sometimes it's just to write a passage.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Yeah, and you figure like this, right, our sons was
raising suburbs, right, you know, places to where they can
go to the movies at night, and just certain stuff
wouldn't happen because your son could have been just an
xority ride with some catching stolen car about man, he
could have just been up. How many times have you
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found yourself cut up in situations? Dog to where was
some dumb shit that she wasn't even aware of? Motherfucker
homie ride by pick you up in a car that stolen.
You don't want nothing. Body you just cruising. Next thing
you know, he jumping out the car and everybody's running
and you running. There are so many ways, man, we
could have been cut up in the same situations coming up. Man.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Man, I used to always even though you know, you
try to raise your kids in different communities than what
we was raised in, I still didn't put past nothing.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
You feel me.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
I used to always tell them, watch out who you
hang around. Don't be a follower, be a leader. You
know shit, you know, because they're still motherfuckers, may be
feeling like because of where you live, shit might be
easier to get away with or get into.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
You feel me.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
So I used to always tell them, you know, That's
why I used to always try to keep them occupying
you get me. That was one way I felt like,
not in a sense of controlling, but I was able to,
you know, vouch for and see a lot of shit
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you're getting. I saw the kids you was going to
school with. I saw the kids that you was hanging around.
Because I'm there mostly all the time, you're getting I'm
gonna pick you up from school. You know, when you're
in elementary school, when you get to motherfucking intermediate school.
You know, I'm your football coach. So once you get
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out of school, you around me from the time. You know,
you go to practice all day and then by time
practice over we get home nine o'clock, it's time to
go to bid your friends. You developed through school and
through fucking playing sports, so I was able to be
a part of that. You know, growing up in the hood. Shit,
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my influences was the niggas on the corner. It wasn't
the niggas out, you know, playing sports with and shit,
even though I tried that aspect. But growing up in
the hood were just moms and my sister and he
influences what I saw on the block. You know, it
wasn't it wasn't. It wasn't hard for me to get
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into the gang lifestyle because I was influenced by that.
So you have to be careful about, you know, your
surroundings and where you live in and all that. And
people don't think that, but being a product of your
environment is big. Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
It's everything, man, And that's why I thought it was
still important.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Man.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
I made it actually, when I became my father, I
made it my mission to move my kids upbout the
neighborhood where they would never have to be subject to
certain things because it's just ante occurrence. Man, that's not occurrence,
you know, And you know they're sticking to man that
they didn't you know that this kid had a gun. Again,
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there's no gun on the body cam fat you know footage.
They say it's real graining and blurry that you can't
see nothing right. And I'm not one of those people
that hate the police, man, but it seemed like we
do drop disproportionately.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
As as as as I said, growing up in the
community like Compton and the stories you you hear as
a child, or what you see or what you're able
to you know, uh, what you're able to witness for
yourself now with the help of documentaries and you know,
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youtubes and internets and whatever, we as black people have.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
A sour taste in our mouth behind police.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
That's why I you know, listen to this though bro
On cross examination by Bennett, BB said he would assume
Hiding Junior's source of the agitation, as Bennett put it,
was watching the body camera video. Nelson argued him Jors
in his current state is a giant mental health question
mark has clear and present danger and possessed impose the
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substantial risk of physical hard and law enforcement officers into
the public is evidenced by his conduct. While Ben pointing
out that Hinting Juniors lacks any previous felt in conventions,
live in the area, and has family ties to judge
fort him to be held without bond, find it very
difficult to figure out how there could be any decision
based on what they said that would protect the public
(38:02):
and the defendant under these circumstances. Jay said his next
courdidate is May twelve.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
I kind of agree with the judge.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
I think, in this mental state, man, who's to say
he won't get out and go run over twenty more people? Right?
This man is pissed off, he's you don't know what
state he's in. But I wouldn't keep him in jail.
I would put him somewhere for mental evaluation. That's what
he should be. You tell you, you know, when a
person is sick, you take him to the hospital, right right,
this man is probably experienced in grief. He has never
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filed in his life before. Dog they said, the man
don't have no This is not a man who's just
been fucking up this whole life. This is a man
who lost his son and he's probably experience of grief
to the tenth power.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Yeah, but they not on But because of the fact
that he's killed a police officer, they're not going to
go We're not going to give you no mental route.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Get me, We're not you know, they're not gonna.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
He could have did anything but killed a police officer,
you get me. He could have ran over a you know,
or went out and you know, killed the person that
you I mean, I don't know, but killing the police
officers on a different level of of of of what
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they see fit. And we're not going to let you
ride a mental case when you then killed a police officers.
It's not going to work. So unfortunately, I'm pretty sure
his mental state was broken for the fact that first
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of all, my son is dead. Second of all, he
was killed by a police officer. Third, we as black
people already have a bad outlook on the police as
far as killing black people. So there you have another
case of the police, you know, doing bodily harm to
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another young black man.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
You know, we've seen the cases over and over again.
Then it shit.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
You can keep naming the issues you got no bodycam footage.
Where's the gun that you said? So, where's the pistol?
If you're saying he drew down on you and he
had a gun, where's the body Oh so all of
a sudden, nobody cam footage is grainy as blurry, but
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there should be a weapon still, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Exactly, And I would be remiss to say that this
dad probably wouldn't have acted that way had he so
is soon pull out a gun. But I'm imagining this
man looking at body cam for he's wondering why they
shoot my gun? He posed no danger to them? Why
did they kill my son?
Speaker 3 (41:05):
I mean, yeah, that's that's that's you know, that's most
of the time, anytime the police is involved in a
in a in a shooting where there's a victim of
of of minority issues, you get me Blacks, Mexicans. It's
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always the question of why you get me? Isn't that
so common with us that it's almost too common?
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Bro?
Speaker 3 (41:38):
When it when it involves the police and the victim
of color, it's always the aspect of why, and people
speak up on well, he wasn't no crazed as maniac
or his mental state. You know a lot of times
he was mentor or you know, the police didn't understand
(41:59):
he had a prime or whatever. H No, I mean
it's always question, like I said, when it comes to
the so so like for him and his mental status.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
You never know.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
But they're not going to give him the pleasure of
going to a mental institution and you know, working over
the aggravations of him dealing with these These are the
people who killed my son. And I'm deal with and
(42:35):
answer questions every day to why, and nobody can give
me answers, you get me. So Yeah, like I said,
I'm not gonna say that he premeditated to go out
and fuck that they killed my son. I'm finna kill
one of them, you get me. He could have been
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driving down the street one day, had a break down,
saw police and just snapped.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
So yeah, yeah, and that's my thing. Hey, it's a
sad situation.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Man.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
I feel sorry man for that brother. I feel sorry
for his family. I feel feel sorry for the officer
that got ran over dog. You know, it's a lot
of people that's gonna be damaged by this. It ain't
none of it good, you.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Know, Yeah, because you know, I'm pretty sure the dude
had a family the officer. And you know, if if
he wasn't involved in this tragedy, uh, that just make
him an innocent victim.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
You get me.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
And that's what I'm saying. You know, I try to
tell Glasses and I tell people be careful on putting
false narratives out there. Glasses told me, no, that was
the man that they shot his son. Dude, First of all,
that wasn't the man that shot his son. The man
that shot his son would have been placed on administrative
lead peop wouldn't have been off the directing no traffic
the next day. I don't think me not. You feel
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what I'm saying. He wouldn't have been out there just
directing traffic the next day.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
You know, this was this is this was an incident
of of like what they call crimes of passion. Like
I didn't plan to kill a motherfucker. I didn't plan
on a motherfucker getting hurt. It's just that I was
so overwhelmed with grief and then I'm I'm I'm probably
(44:33):
sitting at a light, you know what I'm saying, grieving
so bad and and and can't deal with the motherfucking
pressure of it. And then there before me is a
motherfucker out directing traffic.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
And that's exactly.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
That's no different of of you being in the courtroom
and they got the motherfucker who then killed your son
on the mother fucking you know, sitting in the shit
and you're gonna snap, You're gonna try to get to
that motherfucker. We've seen it numerous times on crime shows.
Motherfuckers killer relative or a son or a daughter, and
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the daddy or the brother or somebody coming there and
the first thing they do is take a leap of
faith to try to get their hands on the motherfucker.
So who knows how dad was feeling about the loss
of his son.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
And you know, you were smart, dude, bro, just by
seeing that that whole thing was a particular homicide. Lets
you know right there that he wasn't probably planning on
killing nobody. He was driving so that officer and just
want to hit his ads.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
Yeah, it's like you're saying, it's a spare of the
moment crime and passion. I'm in the heat of passion
type shit, like I didn't wake up this morning and
going I'm finna just go you get me.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
Like when you do stuff like that, you always a
state you can get guns real eas it. You got
access to gun, I please it or right, But but
still look at the way that the crime that went down.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
It was a traffic type of shit where nigga was
out directing traffic and he got hit. You know, the
nigga didn't wake up this morning like I'm finna drive
around and look for motherfuckers directing traffic and whoever I find,
I'm finna.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
Just get me. No.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
I woke up grieving missing my son, having real hateful,
real you know, towards the police department. I'm not getting
no answers. I'm grieving, I'm grieving, I'm so hurt. I
don't know what the fuck to do. I'm at that
point of no return, like I don't know these motherfucking
(46:59):
now my mother. The fucking hatred towards the police is
just getting more and more and more as every day
passes with no answers of why my son was killed.
And now I just happened to be able to stop
light and the motherfucker's directing traffic and I'm and it
just overwhelms me to where, yeah, because I can't see
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him trying to execute that crime and know he gon
get cut. Right he was planning it, I would have think, Okay, man,
I'm gonna get my art and I'm gonna get my
ear fifteen. I'm just gonna post up on this building
across street and the police station, and as soon as
I do, come on, I'm gonna go them have it.
But I'm gonna be three blocks up the roads.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
You know.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
Yeah, a lot of times the motherfuckers with plans planning
to get away, right, Yeah, you don't.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
I'm not gonna plan some shit out to get caught.
If I'm planning some ship, I plan to get the
fuck away. So you know, if if if I just
wake up this morning, jump in my car and decide
like fuck it, I see somebody.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
And that's it, then.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
There's there's there's a chance I'm gonna get caught at
the scene, or a motherfucker gonna follow me, or they
got a description of the.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
Vehicle and all that.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
You know, when you make a plan, you plan to
go scott free, or you plan to get away with
the crime. So it's gonna be thought out a little
bit more than just you know, barreling through an intersection
and taking somebody's life.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
You get me that that's that's not a plan.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Yeah, it's said, man, it's said, you know what I
want to ask you though, Man, you know, prayers man
for that man and his family. Man, and they share
his family as they go through this ordeal, man, because
this is quite one of the most fun the things
I don't seen in the world. Though. It's just said, like.
Speaker 3 (49:04):
I said, it's it's a it's a fucked up situation.
And like I said, I've had run ins with the police. Uh,
so I can understand, uh as a father, his his
blatant hatred towards the situation.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (49:22):
But then again, you know, a motherfucker who got up
this morning to go you know, direct traffic probably wasn't
thinking like today a motherfucker finn come through here and
hit me and take me away from my family and kids.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
And they said the dude exactly, And they said the
dude had been in the force for a long time,
so if he were doing traffic duty, that meant he
was like at that stage of his career to where
he's doing kickback stuff. He cat.
Speaker 3 (49:52):
I'm winding down, you know, out here patrolling and looking
for drug dealers and gang bangers and doing all that shit.
I'm doing traffic stops and motherfucking directed traffic when lights
and accidents go down.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
So you know, like.
Speaker 3 (50:11):
It's just unfortunately, I said, We've had our runnings with
the police. We've had, you know, difficult situations of just
being a black man and getting profiled and you know
and all that.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
But you know, I know dudes who are police officers.
You know, I've coached with dudes whose.
Speaker 3 (50:31):
Sons have played on my teams who have been officers,
and you know, you've gotten no dudes and dudes have
been cool. You know, It's unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
I grew up in a.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
Time where you know, gang banging and being black and
being profiled in the area where which was considered.
Speaker 1 (50:53):
You know, hostile is what I had to go through.
But you know, I don't I.
Speaker 3 (51:00):
Don't consider you know, where I live or where you
know I raised my son that I'm gonna go through
a situation of being at the liquor store getting profiled
or whatever. I look to be treated as a regular.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
You know, man, you feel me color of my skin,
you know.
Speaker 3 (51:22):
So, Uh, nobody wishes that motherfucker who got up and
punched the clock this morning lose their life because you
said it's unfortunate. He just happened to be a part
of a membership. You get me. That's like, you know,
not to make jokes, but that's just like game life.
(51:45):
You feel me, Nigga, come when smoked one of the
homies ship were gonna go through, and unfortunately, if you're
part of that, that game, you might lose your life.
You it might you you might not beating who came
through and killed the homie, but you're still representing from
(52:05):
over there. So if we come through and you just
happen to be a motherfucker out there, you gonna get
caught too. Bully, Bully don't got no name. You feel me,
you're part of that motherfucker is set. So one of
y'all did it, and that's unfortunately. You know, That's how
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my man looked at it, you know, And I think
it was some I think it was some spur of
the moment. But man, in our last few minutes, man,
I want to get into something a little bit lighter.
You've been in the entertainment game a long time, man,
do you think the Kanye is.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
Losing it a little bit as far as what his
rants and all. Yeah, like it don't like something's mentally
wrong with him.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
I mean, everybody you know, uh.
Speaker 3 (52:58):
Has had you know, has questioned his his his state
since the passing of his mother. You get me, And
we don't know, you know, how what that did to
his mental state. A lot of people have he and
(53:22):
shit that goes on. I don't know if the nigga
taken drugs or you know, we don't know if he's
just whatever. There hasn't been any real professional diagnosis of
his condition, you get me. So people let Kanye be
(53:42):
and just let him run his mouth, because again, he
is a nigga sitting on a billion dollars. So a
lot of times when you're in those positions, people that
you rant for some reason.
Speaker 2 (54:03):
Yeah, they said he went off on Piers Morgan on
his show, and I wonder sometimes how this is impacting
his record seals, if they are impacting his record seals.
Speaker 3 (54:12):
I know, I don't need to sell a record. I
already got a billion dollars. What else do I need
to do at this point? I'm just doing shit to
be doing it, you get me. And that's what he does.
He does shit just to be doing it. When you
and nigga that's sitting on a billion dollars when you
a nigga that's sitting on five hundred million dollars, Like, like,
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what do you really need to do?
Speaker 2 (54:40):
Ever?
Speaker 1 (54:41):
Again?
Speaker 3 (54:42):
If you have someone that's in your just one motherfucker
who's smart enough to know, let me do this, let
me put this up, let's do this, let me do this.
You know somebody like you, For instance, if you was
around a motherfucker who was sitting on a billion dollars
and they people thought they was crazy as fucking all
(55:06):
kind of whatever whatever, but you had the mind state
you have as.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
A good dude, there's always gonna be some security.
Speaker 2 (55:15):
You get me.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
Nigga's never gonna go broke. It's always gonna you get
me this this.
Speaker 3 (55:22):
I don't give fuck if the nigga never sold another
record or made another teny shoe. He has made enough
motherfucking money to where if there's the right person around.
Speaker 1 (55:33):
They're gonna keep that shit going forever. You feel me?
Speaker 3 (55:38):
So, like, really, like when you say, does it fuck
with his record sales? Or does it fuck with his
shoe sales? Or does it fuck with Kanye been ranting
and raven for about the last ten years now, what
has it fucked with?
Speaker 1 (55:57):
You know what?
Speaker 2 (55:57):
Because he's still around here, random Raven.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
He like, again, he's been rand and raving for about
the last ten years.
Speaker 3 (56:05):
What has it from the time he started jumping on
the stages and said motherfucking bushing him didn't like black people.
Speaker 1 (56:12):
And all that crazy shit, what has it stopped? Financially? Financially,
what has it stopped?
Speaker 2 (56:22):
It ain't really stop nothing. Speaking of financially, you know,
Jay said he lost almost two hundred million dollars because
you know, he's suing that girl. He's like, has he
has a lossuit going on with the girl who accused
him of rape and that attorney right right right, and
he's going after them. Ole said he lost two hundred
(56:44):
million dollars messing with that man, like because of that
all that.
Speaker 3 (56:48):
Yeah, because you gotta figure business deals and investors and
people like that are gonna be afraid to fuck with
you on certain shit so you can have deals on
the table. Nigga worked millions and people are gonna pull
out certain shit, you get.
Speaker 2 (57:04):
It just just because of the word, not necessarily because
it's true or no facts behind it. They just go
this is themselves because don't nobody want to get caught
up in the beginning.
Speaker 3 (57:15):
That's like you, you sitting on a you sitting on
a billion couple of billion dollar corporation. You're finna invest
in this dude, and you fina hand this dude one
hundred million. Right before you finish hand him one hundred million,
you hear an allegation of rape and all this stupid
shit with Puffy and whatever. Whatever, you're finna give him
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a hundred million.
Speaker 2 (57:37):
You know what, Probably not, man, it probably wouldn't be
a good business move.
Speaker 1 (57:42):
That's what you're gonna say.
Speaker 3 (57:44):
At this time, we're gonna hold off and we're gonna
see how this played out, and then maybe on in
the future down the road, will will look back into
this venture. But at this time I don't want to
invest a hundred million getting into a motherfucker who somebody
say rape them, that that ugly.
Speaker 2 (58:06):
Ho hoves go sue the ship off this woman. Man,
he's a serious whether whether if whether it comes out true,
I mean not true, and you didn't do it whatever,
Just the stain of of of me going through with
the deal while this is going on, it's gonna have
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me being frowned upon by certain people, like like he
supposedly did this and you gave him a hundred million,
Like how dare you? Like you invest in rapists and
shit like that. So now I can't do that shit.
I'm gonna keep my one hundred million right now.
Speaker 3 (58:47):
And like I said, maybe down the road will come
back around when it's when the funk then died out
and not too many people or you know, but while
this whole thing is going on, and you might not
be involved or it might be false allegations. But with
the puffy shit and then all this other shit, I
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can't get my hands on. I can't touch that hot
potato right now.
Speaker 2 (59:13):
And that's why I really think they need to start
having stifferd penalties for people with these false claims of
slander people's names and then you know, coming out with
stuff just to try to gain some money for monetary games.
I think those people need to have criminal charges brought against.
Speaker 3 (59:29):
Them what some people do when it comes to blackmail
and doing shit like that. But that's the new aspect
of shit today. The new aspect of shit is it
don't have to be true. All I have to do
is bring up the accusations that it might have happened,
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and it's gonna it you know it didn't happen, but
then there's gonna be a motherfucker that tell you maybe
you just want to pay this motherfucker off about five
or ten million because you.
Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
They fuck there. You see the shit going on with
Shannon Shot right.
Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
Now, I'm saying you don't want that stain because look
at what happens in the backlash of just the accusation.
Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
There ain't been no court coming out yet.
Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
Everything is just being settle settled because once it comes out,
these million dollar motherfuckers, they ain't gonna want to fuck
with you.
Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
So just think about it. Get a bit five million,
so she just go away.
Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
If you saying did nothing happen and everything was consentu fine,
but but the stain of going through the process is
gonna fuck you because people are gonna start doing this
with your contracts.
Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
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Speaker 1 (00:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Hey, you know what some funny shit is though. It's
this woman I guess that's tripping on this little kid
in the park, right, a white woman, white woman, right,
and she went off on a kid or whatever, and
some dude some other brother recorded the right action. Foo.
I guess you know, she was dropping the N word
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multiple times, you know, call him a little nia and
he recorded her. You know that woman who raised six
hundred thousand dollars already.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Well, from what I heard, there was a.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
It's on some you know, white supremacist groups and people
who support you.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Know her.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Whatever she you know, whatever she believes in whatever. So
it's a lot of those people who raise money for her.
That's how she's she's made. She's they they've raised over
seven hundred thousand dollars for her, a few few extremist groups,
white supremacists, people like that, you know, So you know.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
This is crazy, man. I guess this happened at Minnesota, right,
I wonder why is the stuff like this don't ever
happen in our neck of the wood.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Well, first of all, you gotta try to figure out
and understand what is the raising of the money for
what is she potentially.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Was gonna lose her job, gonna have to.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Relocate, you know, you know what actually is the money
being raised?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Well, I guess because she now has to move because
she has been so big that she has to move
right now. And it's like even they even found out
what she works out at. I guess this is in Rochester, Minnesota.
And the kid that she was the kids, the kid
is at the autistic Yeah, so she went off on
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an autistic kid. Ah, And then this is crazy. I'm
not gonna going to playing a video and everything else
like this. I noticed that people are getting more and
more uncomfortable then with really we're really using racial ship.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
You know, well, you know.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
It ain't that people been getting coming, people being comfortable
with the ship for a long time.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Now you get me.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
It's just that, you know, it's frowned upon more, you know,
because it's now you know, social media.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
There we go, It's all good, keep talking, you know, social.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Media and ship you know has elevated, you know, certain ship.
But it's it ain't like it's uh like we a
stranger to motherfuckers calling us the N word. I mean,
we call each other niggas as as a gesture of
friendship or homey ship or whatever. What's up my nigga?
Speaker 1 (03:55):
What's up? Won't? We won't. But you know.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Now that we got the Internet and shit is being broadcast,
that the light has frowned upon because it is you know,
in terms when it's used upon different races, it's it's
it's racial.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
You feel me.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
So you know, I'm just picturing the grown ass woman
though calling a little artistic kid out of his name,
and if I would have been at her through some
hot coffee on that picture, well.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
You gotta understand. Well then you see now that comes
into play of what your retaliation would cost you. You know,
now that's physical retaliation. Now you facing jail time and
lawsuits because you know, somebody done called you out your
name or call the kid out the name something that
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we're not strangers to. You feel me, ain't nobody stranger
that shit mo Funck. And then it depends on what
neck of the woods you're living in, because there are
those types of places that you know, you can find
yourself in, those type of communities that are you know,
predominantly Caucasian based, and you know, if you happen to,
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you know, find yourself upon those type of communities, then
you're gonna have to deal properly with some of the
repercussions of what they think of of us. You feel
they've been thinking that's a long time still you've given.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, you know what, I don't know if I through
no hot coffee on her, man, but I ought to
definitely check that bit. Her name is Charlie Little Hendrix,
I guess, and she's saying that you need to relocate
her family due to the response to the video. And
I noticed many they haven't been you know, we've always
had racist motherfuckers in this country, right as long as
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me and you've been walking deserving before us, right. But
I do believe that white folks are more comfortable than
ever was showing they as.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Well.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
You know, like I said, a lot of people feel
that certain laws protect them in the right of believing
in what they believe in.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I mean, you know, we.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Have a shit set up to where you know, we
have racial crimes and shit like that. But I guess
people be feeling like in her aspect as the freedom
of speech allows her to call the motherfucker you know,
a nigga. You know, she feels in her basis and
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how she was raised in the community she supports and
the people that supports her, and what she believe in.
She has that right to say that word if she
wants to, like, you know, shit is you know, she
feeling like what what it's if I can call the
motherfucker that if I want to shit?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, we evidently she did, and she's about to be
rewarded for it. She's about for sure to be rewarded
for this race. You said, seven hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Now, I mean, like I said, unfortunately, like you know,
it's still people who believe in that shit, you get me.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
It's people who still you know.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Great grandparents and grandparents who you know, in embedded in
them in the history of what they believe in, and
it's just passed on and they're still communities and people
who have the right to have these groups. You see,
you know, niggas dressing up in their uniforms going out
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to protest that certain shit. So there's definitely still communities
and people across the globe who are in support of
that shit, and so they feel they probably feeling like
she's a hero to them.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
It me they hate us, that bad man hate it
scrowm as a motherfucker dog.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Is is? Is it? Like you said?
Speaker 3 (08:09):
But is that support welcome in the black community as
on the same aspect. You know, if if you were
living in a in a white community and called a
motherfucker out of eight, you know, you called a motherfucker
that motherfucker word, or you know, something that they don't
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like or they despise. What the what the what the
black community be in support of raising money to help
you relocate your family in the situation of you might
be caused harm or you know, it might be some
bullshit going down. Do you think it would work vice versa.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
See, that's the thing, I don't know, you know what
I think we would get like the fuck up, I
think we would have issues.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Do you think do you think the homies in the
black community would get together and raise over seven hundred
thousand dollars to donate to you if you was in
the in the in the in the same situation.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
You know what, I don't know, man, because the little
boy's family has raised six hundred thousand so far. The
little boy there was the victim of this white woman.
His family has raised six hundred thousand. The family told him,
you know, people stopped giving them. They shut it down,
you know. And what were they raising money for? Well,
I guess somebody started raised decided to raise money on
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their behalf. Let me see how I tell you right now?
They had decided to raise money on behalf of this
kid write some organization. Let me see. Let me tell
you right now. H uh huh. Because the guy that
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that busted out, right, But the guy that busted her out,
they found out that he had a criminal pass or
whatever the this is stuff he's been exonerated on, right. Uh,
So he's had a little bit of backlashing. I guess
they were raising money for, you know, the wellness of
the little boy or whatever. This is how I feel
(10:12):
about all this stuff. Man. I don't even know if
we honestly will ever get through this racism shit. Man.
I think people feel the fuck the way they feel,
and that's what it is. I won't go as far
as to say that we no longer have in America
as black people, African Americans, whatever you want to call it,
but we will say that we got to start kind
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of just kind of hanging with our own I'm all
about like creating our own shit. Man. I'm thinking like,
and I'm nowhere and everybody any meanings racist? Man, I
got white family members, right, But I do think that
America has su you time again that there's more motherfuckers
that think a fucked up way than not. You feel
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what I'm saying. I think a lot of people of
staying hiding, and when they get a chance to be
anonymous with their racism, they exercise that. If it me
and them sending some money to some bis that don't
cut up, they do that. If it means them voting
for a motherfucker that's go putting certain laws in place
that could possibly impede me and you or hurt people
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like me and you, I think they win it, especially
if they can do it behind closed doors. And so
I really think, you know, to conquer that, man, I
think that we need to start supporting our own. We
need to start supporting black businesses, and we just stopped needed.
We need to stop supporting motherfuckers that don't fuck with us.
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I don't know why people can't understand that. Man. If
they don't fuck with us over at Target, stop shopping
at Target, they don't support us over at If they
acting a certain way to us at this place, stop
supporting them. Yeah, I mean, I guess, But that's that's
that's a that's a strong commitment for you know, people
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to make when you know some people are addicted to
the walmarts and the Targets and these these these uh
these places you feel me.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
So sometimes it might be hard, you know. You you
might tell people let's boycott and let's do this and that,
but most of the time motherfuckers is you know, That's
why I be saying. You know, you could talk a
good one to people, but it's hard to get people
to join in and follow along, you know what I'm
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saying when when they're comfortable with those vices, you feel me.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Yeah, now you being Have you ever experienced racism.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
If I ever experienced, I mean I've experienced racism to
the point of uh racial profiling, you know, being a
young black kid or a young y.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah, we don't all feel that. I'm talking about somebody
just coming out.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
I've never had to deal with that, you know, Thank
God that you know, I've been able to h stay
amongst my peers, so to speak. I've never put never
been in a situation to where I've encountered, uh, those
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type of people, you know, because you we come I
come from a different walk of life. You get me,
and I might not be necessarily the person that somebody
might want to express their racial you know, their racial
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feelings towards you give me. Yea with us, we're going
on tours and going to different towns and sections, and
you know, always having security and homies with you. I've
never uh come across someone who has been that blatant
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to just call us niggas or or you know, step
out of line on some racial ship, because you know,
in my earlier days that might have turned into physical
violence for someone.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
You give me.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I think I've seen I've had situations, man, when I
was younger, right, especially living in Ohio to where I've
had guys roller buck calling this, you know, screaming in
the word out the window or whatever like that. I
actually had an incident one time. We was in the
Taco bell meaning the Homies, right, and we was with
one of the Helmies, and the white homie knew karate
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like this dude really was a fool with it, right.
That was the homy right right. And these white folks
in there, I think they was at some Kinch State
University students. They was in there, you know, saying derogatory shit,
but in a different language, laughing, and he knew that,
and he said, why don't you pussy said like say
it in English. So we got into a melee in there.
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When I tell you that homies was kicking people upside
the head, I'm talking about bras dudes. You know. We
gave them white folks the business in there. We almost
went to jail for that though, even though they started it,
even though they kind of threw the first punch, we
ended it, but we almost went to jail. They didn't
give a fuck about us talking about what they said
or this and that. They didn't give a damn. So
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hell Yeah, I've experienced that type of stuff, and I
think would make it more crazy about states like California.
I think it's a whole bunch of white folks to
feel that way out here. But they know if they
go to Lakewood, Comped, the Long Beach anywhere talking that shit,
they might get s lived. That white woman would have
said some shit like that in Gonzales Park or somewhere
like that, she'd have got her ask.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
But you know they're gonna and that's one thing about
you know, their kind, they gonna stay in their community.
What it is is you have to be careful about
venturing into their neck of the woods, because they damn
sure ain't gonna come to our neck of the woods.
They ain'tn't come to count They ain't gonna come to
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Watch or South Central or or or the spots in
Chicago or New York or wherever it's vicious. They gonna
stay amongst themselves, now, you know, because being out of bounties,
being slipping, and you know, they want to be comfortable
in their own skin. So that's why they stay in
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their surroundings. It's it's just that when we you know,
as African Americans, as Black people feel that we have
the right to stay anywhere the fuck we want to,
that we can afford, or we can whatever whatever. You know, Uh,
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it's it's us venturing into their nigative woods. It's where
you are forced to deal with the recu repercussions of
racism still because unfortunately, just like I had to tell
my son, you know, it still exists.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
You get me, you know it's out there.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
You know, you can't be naive to the fact that
even though you're black and proud and you know you
can whoop a motherfucker's ass or that type of aspect
you feeling, they feel just as strongly about. Hey, you know,
if it's a nigga in my neck of the woods,
and if I'm feeling a certain way.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
You know, I'm gonna yell it out.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
You know, no telling what led up to the situation
of her blurting out that shit you feel me to
someone's kid. Yeah, well evidently she said the little boy
wanting her kid's bag or whatever. Again, this kid you
talking about an autistic kid. I have a nephew that's
on the spectrum, right, and sometimes they'd like to do
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little things like my nephew if he makes you ate.
He would come up and just touch your hands. You
feel what I'm saying, that's how he kind of you know,
that's what he does. You know, like he'd come up
and touch my hands and grab my fingers whatever, I
hold his hand or whatever. I just think, man, for
people to treat a child that way, Man, it shouldn't
be a place in society for nothing like that, because
you know, white, black, green, and whatever a child.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
As a child.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah, and again we we are.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
We are acceptable to certain shit because we feel as
adults we've come out of a lot of shit being
black men. But like I said, some people just feel
comfortable about the blatant, you know, racism that there is. Uh,
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some people just feel strongly about that shit. Like I said,
you can get on the internet any day and see
racism matter as full as you know. There's groups, there's websites,
there's blogs. You know, it's just unfortunately, you know, it's
something that we have we've had to come through. We
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feel strongly as a people about who we are as
black people. You know, we can stand up for ourselves. Now,
We'll whoop the motherfucker ass. And I dare you to
say some shit but like again, these are people who
feel strongly in their beliefs.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Of they don't like us, you get me.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
And so for uh, you know, for you know, like
you're saying, for it to be the situation of the
little kid going in somebody's bag or whatever, which is
which is? You know, you have to understand, uh, the
the mentality of the child on the spectrum. So who
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knows she not knowing. But still it's not a case
of her, you know, blatantly just calling him out his name, uh,
not knowing what the what the situation is. You know again,
you know the thing is possible. She feel comfortable, And
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I'm gonna say this ship, I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah, because you know what, bro, I've had situations to
where I might be in the strummer, right, had a
situation to where a little white boy and threw like
a little car, one of them little toy cars. He
threw it at me. Right, it didn't hurt, nothing kind
of hit me. What was I gonna do? All off
and slept the shout out the little boy a little kid.
I just kept it pushing, you know what I mean?
Some pairs you know, the mom said, oh I'm sorry,
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and went on about her business. I wasn't tripping, Yeah,
because who knows, you know what I'm saying. Uh yeah,
you like some people you I don't know. I don't know,
Like I said, uh, I just think we losing our
mind in this country. And I know you heard about
this one man, the brother Rodney hitting junior man who
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ran over the who ran over the police officer behind
his son getting shot.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
No, what's what's what's that?
Speaker 2 (21:47):
You haven't heard about that? Eight?
Speaker 1 (21:49):
I ain't heard about that one.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Okay, this brother Ridney hitting junior and his son was
shot dead by police right the night before and he
just got denied bond and killing the sheriffs deputy. You know,
after the disturbance in court. His son was evidently in
some kind of incident in the stolen car whatever. I
don't quite know the full details of it, right, but
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what it was, the police say his son had a
gun whatever, which they can't see on the body camp
for them, so they shot him right. Oh, boy was
so mad he went after the next day and ran
over a deputy. Now say that I've heard a few
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people say that it was the same guy that shot
his son. One I've heard that it wasn't the same
I heard. He just went and got a motherfucker. Right.
If you would have saw this brother walking court man
with all these it was a whole bunch of shrifs
like standing in the road beside him, and he walked
between them motherfuckers just goooning that. They asked like, yeah,
I do I do something? This man is traumatized behind
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his son getting killed. He wasn't having it, but he's
gonna whack the motherfucker. Now here's my thing? Where do
I understand that father's anger? Do I understand this? Ain't
you damn right? If somebody did something to any one
of my kids, ain't no telling what I would do,
ain't no telling what she would do? You probably this
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man probably have lost his mind, a step who had
a mental break for short, right, But I see him
making no difference, right. But I think it would have
been viewed differently had it actually been the motherfu that
shot his son. He's going to ring the motherfucker over.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yeah, that's that's tough right there.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Yeah, it's real tough.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Fuck that they recovered the gun that they said the
kid had.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
No and they don't have bodycam footage here. There is
shooting hip to it. I'm gonna I'm gonna read. I'm
gonna give it a low down on it. Rodney Hing Jr.
Who authorities say intentionally hitting killed in Ohio sheriff's deputy
with a car after his son was fatally shot by police,
but remained in jail without bond while he a wasted
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trial and the murder chars King Jr. Was the ninth
bond of the Twoday court hearing in Cincinnati. He has
charged with aggravated murder for the main second killing of
Hamilton County shriff Deputy Larry Henderson. There would be an
order of the man with no bond. He is a
shorter safety of the defender and any mental health treatment
that he can be granted. Hamilton County Judge Tyrone Yates
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said the hearing is the things the building in the
case that began last week in Cincinnati, police shot and
killed Hnton Junior's son. Police said eighteen year old Ryan
Hendon was one of four men who were fleeing at
the officers found him in a stolen car, and that
he was armed when he ran. Hing Junior's attorney Clyde
Bending the second end of the plea of not guilt
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on his client's behalf and request Dell. During the two
his hearing, Bennett asked for him Junior not to be
thought of as a cop killer, but a person with
mental illness. I don't think he was a cop killer.
I think he's not in his right mind, Ben said,
And I think he should be treated like any other
mentally ill person that commits a crime under the auspicies, control,
and authority of a mental defense in that condition. After
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the hearing begins, the turbans erupted in the gallery and
Hiding Jr. Was rushed out of the courtroom by law enforcement.
The man yelled, I just want my brother to see me.
The hearing resumed after the man was esported out and
Hing Jr. Was brought back into the courtroom. Bennett told
Jameson for his acknowledgement, the man was not hitting Junior's brother.
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So if you would have sort of look on these
police officers face, hey, you know how they are while
nobody kills one of their own, right, I'm surprised one
of them guys didn't pull a gun out. They hokster
man to shoot that dude. The way they was looking at.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Her, they didn't have a chance, because you definitely would
have they would have roughed him up, you know what
I'm saying, once they got a hold of him.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
I mean, that's kind of yeah, it's deep.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Yeah, that that's a hard one right there, because as
a father with a son, you know, there's there's no
extent or length that you wouldn't go through to protect
your son.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
And you know only you know the morale of your son.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
It's unfortunate that you know, like I said, we don't
know what kind of lifestyle he was living. I mean,
because for them to turn around and say he was
with other dudes in a robbery and all that shit.
But the thing is you you you don't have evidence
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of a weapon and you don't have bodycam footage. So
that's what makes it suspicious on a father's behalf. You
give me, I had no answers to why you shot
my son. You you saying like you know and your
your your evaluation of your son is like, my son
ain't robbing no motherfucking body, you know what I'm saying.
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And he definitely had no pistol unless you know your
son is in that lifestyle. So that's gonna that's gonna
fuck up ship right there. Uh, And then when you
looking for answers there or none, you give me why
you shoot my son? You say he had a gun,
but there's no gun found, and then you had no
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Now we got no body cam footage, So I don't
know what the fuck y'all did. Y'all could have just
jumped out and just start shooting my son on the
active being on the aspect of being you know, paranoid cops.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, it's a whole bunch of look at and especially
you know with this brother, I do think it's a
mental illness thing. Man. You know, it's so much wrong
on both sides of this. Right, you got the police
once a youn' gunning down a brother they said they
had a gun, that didn't have a gun, right, and
you got to sheriff that has lost his life. You
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feel what I mean that that you know he's not
coming home in his family now. I just think that
whenever you had a loss of life on both sides,
it's just a bad thing. I do think this is
a mental illness thing on out and I hope that
they don't look at this as a personal thing because
I think this man on had a mental break. He
lost his.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Son, well, definitely out of a mental break. If it's
thart process was, I'm gonna go out here, and who
knows what it is. I don't want to say that
they was planned. He could have been he could have
been fucking rolling around one day and just seeing the police,
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you know, and and just snapped.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
You get me.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
My answer, because that's that's traumatic. You know, that's on
any parent losing their kid in the situation of being
shot and killed, you know, you know, and to be eighteen.
You get me that that's devastating. I be devastated if
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something happened to my son, somebody shot and killed my
son at eighteen years old.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
I don't know what to deal with it.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
I don't know, you know, I just hoping pray that
you know, I'm gonna rebut that man, that me and
you ever have to go through some shit like that,
because I don't know how I processed that.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Right, and so it's hard to say what his thought
process was.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
And for the fact that you know, most of the
times you deal with these situate, these these parents who
deal with that aspect of their child going through that
gang life and being murdered and a drive by and
not getting answers or whatever. You know, this man had
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the police killed him.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
You get me. So you already gotten you know, there's
already that.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
That love hate, you know, relationship that we as black
people have with the police.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
You get me.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
A feeling being felt racial profile as a as a
as a black man, and now knowing what you might
have had to go through as a young motherfucker with
the police. You just knowing in this day and age,
you got an eighteen year old son, you could just
imagine that situation right there.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
So man, and I imagine they you know, that's what
I think God, that cats like me and you had
certain attributes and talent and opportunities to allow us to
take our kids out of those type of situations.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Yeah, because it's it's it's you can't prevent it. You
get me.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Growing up in the neighborhoods, you know, you gravitate to
niggas in the neighborhood. You know, those be the niggas.
You play football with the niggas, You ride bikes with
the niggas. You you know, uh go to school with
from from from elementary on up to high school and
(31:51):
and and so it's hard to escape that when you're
living in the neighborhood. It's a it's almost like a
right the passage. You get me, And most of the
time it don't even have to be family family affiliated.
You get me or my brother was in the gang
(32:13):
and then my cousin and wut you want? Sometimes just
growing up in the hood and befriended niggas from your childhood.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
You know, a shit nigga.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
We was in the second grade together, fifth grade together,
seventh grade together, tenth grade together, and then we live
in around the corners from each other, in the same community,
same neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Like I said, sometimes it's just to write a passage.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Yeah, and you figure like this, right, our sons was
raising suburbs, right, you know, places to where they can
go to the movies at night, and just certain stuff
wouldn't happen because your son could have been just an
xority ride with some catching stolen car about man, he
could have just been up. How many times have you
(33:01):
found yourself cut up in situations? Dog to where was
some dumb shit that she wasn't even aware of? Motherfucker
homie ride by pick you up in a car that stolen.
You don't want nothing. Body you just cruising. Next thing
you know, he jumping out the car and everybody's running
and you running. There are so many ways, man, we
could have been cut up in the same situations coming up. Man.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Man, I used to always even though you know, you
try to raise your kids in different communities than what
we was raised in, I still didn't put past nothing.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
You feel me.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
I used to always tell them, watch out who you
hang around. Don't be a follower, be a leader. You
know shit, you know, because they're still motherfuckers, may be
feeling like because of where you live, shit might be
easier to get away with or get into.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
You feel me.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
So I used to always tell them, you know, That's
why I used to always try to keep them occupying
you get me. That was one way I felt like,
not in a sense of controlling, but I was able to,
you know, vouch for and see a lot of shit
(34:25):
you're getting. I saw the kids you was going to
school with. I saw the kids that you was hanging around.
Because I'm there mostly all the time, you're getting I'm
gonna pick you up from school. You know, when you're
in elementary school, when you get to motherfucking intermediate school.
You know, I'm your football coach. So once you get
(34:50):
out of school, you around me from the time. You know,
you go to practice all day and then by time
practice over we get home nine o'clock, it's time to
go to bid your friends. You developed through school and
through fucking playing sports, so I was able to be
a part of that. You know, growing up in the hood. Shit,
(35:13):
my influences was the niggas on the corner. It wasn't
the niggas out, you know, playing sports with and shit,
even though I tried that aspect. But growing up in
the hood were just moms and my sister and he
influences what I saw on the block. You know, it
wasn't it wasn't. It wasn't hard for me to get
(35:36):
into the gang lifestyle because I was influenced by that.
So you have to be careful about, you know, your
surroundings and where you live in and all that. And
people don't think that, but being a product of your
environment is big. Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
It's everything, man, And that's why I thought it was
still important.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Man.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
I made it actually, when I became my father, I
made it my mission to move my kids upbout the
neighborhood where they would never have to be subject to
certain things because it's just ante occurrence. Man, that's not occurrence,
you know, And you know they're sticking to man that
they didn't you know that this kid had a gun. Again,
(36:19):
there's no gun on the body cam fat you know footage.
They say it's real graining and blurry that you can't
see nothing right. And I'm not one of those people
that hate the police, man, but it seemed like we
do drop disproportionately.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
As as as as I said, growing up in the
community like Compton and the stories you you hear as
a child, or what you see or what you're able
to you know, uh, what you're able to witness for
yourself now with the help of documentaries and you know,
(37:02):
youtubes and internets and whatever, we as black people have.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
A sour taste in our mouth behind police.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
That's why I you know, listen to this though bro
On cross examination by Bennett, BB said he would assume
Hiding Junior's source of the agitation, as Bennett put it,
was watching the body camera video. Nelson argued him Jors
in his current state is a giant mental health question
mark has clear and present danger and possessed impose the
(37:40):
substantial risk of physical hard and law enforcement officers into
the public is evidenced by his conduct. While Ben pointing
out that Hinting Juniors lacks any previous felt in conventions,
live in the area, and has family ties to judge
fort him to be held without bond, find it very
difficult to figure out how there could be any decision
based on what they said that would protect the public
(38:02):
and the defendant under these circumstances. Jay said his next
courdidate is May twelve.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
I kind of agree with the judge.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
I think, in this mental state, man, who's to say
he won't get out and go run over twenty more people? Right?
This man is pissed off, he's you don't know what
state he's in. But I wouldn't keep him in jail.
I would put him somewhere for mental evaluation. That's what
he should be. You tell you, you know, when a
person is sick, you take him to the hospital, right right,
this man is probably experienced in grief. He has never
(38:33):
filed in his life before. Dog they said, the man
don't have no This is not a man who's just
been fucking up this whole life. This is a man
who lost his son and he's probably experience of grief
to the tenth power.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Yeah, but they not on But because of the fact
that he's killed a police officer, they're not going to
go We're not going to give you no mental route.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Get me, We're not you know, they're not gonna.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
He could have did anything but killed a police officer,
you get me. He could have ran over a you know,
or went out and you know, killed the person that
you I mean, I don't know, but killing the police
officers on a different level of of of of what
(39:28):
they see fit. And we're not going to let you
ride a mental case when you then killed a police officers.
It's not going to work. So unfortunately, I'm pretty sure
his mental state was broken for the fact that first
(39:50):
of all, my son is dead. Second of all, he
was killed by a police officer. Third, we as black
people already have a bad outlook on the police as
far as killing black people. So there you have another
case of the police, you know, doing bodily harm to
(40:14):
another young black man.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
You know, we've seen the cases over and over again.
Then it shit.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
You can keep naming the issues you got no bodycam footage.
Where's the gun that you said? So, where's the pistol?
If you're saying he drew down on you and he
had a gun, where's the body Oh so all of
a sudden, nobody cam footage is grainy as blurry, but
(40:44):
there should be a weapon still, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Exactly, And I would be remiss to say that this
dad probably wouldn't have acted that way had he so
is soon pull out a gun. But I'm imagining this
man looking at body cam for he's wondering why they
shoot my gun? He posed no danger to them? Why
did they kill my son?
Speaker 3 (41:05):
I mean, yeah, that's that's that's you know, that's most
of the time, anytime the police is involved in a
in a in a shooting where there's a victim of
of of minority issues, you get me Blacks, Mexicans. It's
(41:26):
always the question of why you get me? Isn't that
so common with us that it's almost too common?
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Bro?
Speaker 3 (41:38):
When it when it involves the police and the victim
of color, it's always the aspect of why, and people
speak up on well, he wasn't no crazed as maniac
or his mental state. You know a lot of times
he was mentor or you know, the police didn't understand
(41:59):
he had a prime or whatever. H No, I mean
it's always question, like I said, when it comes to
the so so like for him and his mental status.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
You never know.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
But they're not going to give him the pleasure of
going to a mental institution and you know, working over
the aggravations of him dealing with these These are the
people who killed my son. And I'm deal with and
(42:35):
answer questions every day to why, and nobody can give
me answers, you get me. So Yeah, like I said,
I'm not gonna say that he premeditated to go out
and fuck that they killed my son. I'm finna kill
one of them, you get me. He could have been
(42:57):
driving down the street one day, had a break down,
saw police and just snapped.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
So yeah, yeah, and that's my thing. Hey, it's a
sad situation.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Man.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
I feel sorry man for that brother. I feel sorry
for his family. I feel feel sorry for the officer
that got ran over dog. You know, it's a lot
of people that's gonna be damaged by this. It ain't
none of it good, you.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Know, Yeah, because you know, I'm pretty sure the dude
had a family the officer. And you know, if if
he wasn't involved in this tragedy, uh, that just make
him an innocent victim.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
You get me.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
And that's what I'm saying. You know, I try to
tell Glasses and I tell people be careful on putting
false narratives out there. Glasses told me, no, that was
the man that they shot his son. Dude, First of all,
that wasn't the man that shot his son. The man
that shot his son would have been placed on administrative
lead peop wouldn't have been off the directing no traffic
the next day. I don't think me not. You feel
(44:06):
what I'm saying. He wouldn't have been out there just
directing traffic the next day.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
You know, this was this is this was an incident
of of like what they call crimes of passion. Like
I didn't plan to kill a motherfucker. I didn't plan
on a motherfucker getting hurt. It's just that I was
so overwhelmed with grief and then I'm I'm I'm probably
(44:33):
sitting at a light, you know what I'm saying, grieving
so bad and and and can't deal with the motherfucking
pressure of it. And then there before me is a
motherfucker out directing traffic.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
And that's exactly.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
That's no different of of you being in the courtroom
and they got the motherfucker who then killed your son
on the mother fucking you know, sitting in the shit
and you're gonna snap, You're gonna try to get to
that motherfucker. We've seen it numerous times on crime shows.
Motherfuckers killer relative or a son or a daughter, and
(45:15):
the daddy or the brother or somebody coming there and
the first thing they do is take a leap of
faith to try to get their hands on the motherfucker.
So who knows how dad was feeling about the loss
of his son.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
And you know, you were smart, dude, bro, just by
seeing that that whole thing was a particular homicide. Lets
you know right there that he wasn't probably planning on
killing nobody. He was driving so that officer and just
want to hit his ads.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
Yeah, it's like you're saying, it's a spare of the
moment crime and passion. I'm in the heat of passion
type shit, like I didn't wake up this morning and
going I'm finna just go you get me.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
Like when you do stuff like that, you always a
state you can get guns real eas it. You got
access to gun, I please it or right, But but
still look at the way that the crime that went down.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
It was a traffic type of shit where nigga was
out directing traffic and he got hit. You know, the
nigga didn't wake up this morning like I'm finna drive
around and look for motherfuckers directing traffic and whoever I find,
I'm finna.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
Just get me. No.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
I woke up grieving missing my son, having real hateful,
real you know, towards the police department. I'm not getting
no answers. I'm grieving, I'm grieving, I'm so hurt. I
don't know what the fuck to do. I'm at that
point of no return, like I don't know these motherfucking
(46:59):
now my mother. The fucking hatred towards the police is
just getting more and more and more as every day
passes with no answers of why my son was killed.
And now I just happened to be able to stop
light and the motherfucker's directing traffic and I'm and it
just overwhelms me to where, yeah, because I can't see
(47:23):
him trying to execute that crime and know he gon
get cut. Right he was planning it, I would have think, Okay, man,
I'm gonna get my art and I'm gonna get my
ear fifteen. I'm just gonna post up on this building
across street and the police station, and as soon as
I do, come on, I'm gonna go them have it.
But I'm gonna be three blocks up the roads.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
You know.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
Yeah, a lot of times the motherfuckers with plans planning
to get away, right, Yeah, you don't.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
I'm not gonna plan some shit out to get caught.
If I'm planning some ship, I plan to get the
fuck away. So you know, if if if I just
wake up this morning, jump in my car and decide
like fuck it, I see somebody.
Speaker 1 (48:08):
And that's it, then.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
There's there's there's a chance I'm gonna get caught at
the scene, or a motherfucker gonna follow me, or they
got a description of the.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
Vehicle and all that.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
You know, when you make a plan, you plan to
go scott free, or you plan to get away with
the crime. So it's gonna be thought out a little
bit more than just you know, barreling through an intersection
and taking somebody's life.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
You get me that that's that's not a plan.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Yeah, it's said, man, it's said, you know what I
want to ask you though, Man, you know, prayers man
for that man and his family. Man, and they share
his family as they go through this ordeal, man, because
this is quite one of the most fun the things
I don't seen in the world. Though. It's just said, like.
Speaker 3 (49:04):
I said, it's it's a it's a fucked up situation.
And like I said, I've had run ins with the police. Uh,
so I can understand, uh as a father, his his
blatant hatred towards the situation.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (49:22):
But then again, you know, a motherfucker who got up
this morning to go you know, direct traffic probably wasn't
thinking like today a motherfucker finn come through here and
hit me and take me away from my family and kids.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
And they said the dude exactly, And they said the
dude had been in the force for a long time,
so if he were doing traffic duty, that meant he
was like at that stage of his career to where
he's doing kickback stuff. He cat.
Speaker 3 (49:52):
I'm winding down, you know, out here patrolling and looking
for drug dealers and gang bangers and doing all that shit.
I'm doing traffic stops and motherfucking directed traffic when lights
and accidents go down.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
So you know, like.
Speaker 3 (50:11):
It's just unfortunately, I said, We've had our runnings with
the police. We've had, you know, difficult situations of just
being a black man and getting profiled and you know
and all that.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
But you know, I know dudes who are police officers.
You know, I've coached with dudes whose.
Speaker 3 (50:31):
Sons have played on my teams who have been officers,
and you know, you've gotten no dudes and dudes have
been cool. You know, It's unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
I grew up in a.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
Time where you know, gang banging and being black and
being profiled in the area where which was considered.
Speaker 1 (50:53):
You know, hostile is what I had to go through.
But you know, I don't I.
Speaker 3 (51:00):
Don't consider you know, where I live or where you
know I raised my son that I'm gonna go through
a situation of being at the liquor store getting profiled
or whatever. I look to be treated as a regular.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
You know, man, you feel me color of my skin,
you know.
Speaker 3 (51:22):
So, Uh, nobody wishes that motherfucker who got up and
punched the clock this morning lose their life because you
said it's unfortunate. He just happened to be a part
of a membership. You get me. That's like, you know,
not to make jokes, but that's just like game life.
(51:45):
You feel me, Nigga, come when smoked one of the
homies ship were gonna go through, and unfortunately, if you're
part of that, that game, you might lose your life.
You it might you you might not beating who came
through and killed the homie, but you're still representing from
(52:05):
over there. So if we come through and you just
happen to be a motherfucker out there, you gonna get
caught too. Bully, Bully don't got no name. You feel me,
you're part of that motherfucker is set. So one of
y'all did it, and that's unfortunately. You know, That's how
(52:27):
my man looked at it, you know, And I think
it was some I think it was some spur of
the moment. But man, in our last few minutes, man,
I want to get into something a little bit lighter.
You've been in the entertainment game a long time, man,
do you think the Kanye is.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
Losing it a little bit as far as what his
rants and all. Yeah, like it don't like something's mentally
wrong with him.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
I mean, everybody you know, uh.
Speaker 3 (52:58):
Has had you know, has questioned his his his state
since the passing of his mother. You get me, And
we don't know, you know, how what that did to
his mental state. A lot of people have he and
(53:22):
shit that goes on. I don't know if the nigga
taken drugs or you know, we don't know if he's
just whatever. There hasn't been any real professional diagnosis of
his condition, you get me. So people let Kanye be
(53:42):
and just let him run his mouth, because again, he
is a nigga sitting on a billion dollars. So a
lot of times when you're in those positions, people that
you rant for some reason.
Speaker 2 (54:03):
Yeah, they said he went off on Piers Morgan on
his show, and I wonder sometimes how this is impacting
his record seals, if they are impacting his record seals.
Speaker 3 (54:12):
I know, I don't need to sell a record. I
already got a billion dollars. What else do I need
to do at this point? I'm just doing shit to
be doing it, you get me. And that's what he does.
He does shit just to be doing it. When you
and nigga that's sitting on a billion dollars when you
a nigga that's sitting on five hundred million dollars, Like, like,
(54:38):
what do you really need to do?
Speaker 2 (54:40):
Ever?
Speaker 1 (54:41):
Again?
Speaker 3 (54:42):
If you have someone that's in your just one motherfucker
who's smart enough to know, let me do this, let
me put this up, let's do this, let me do this.
You know somebody like you, For instance, if you was
around a motherfucker who was sitting on a billion dollars
and they people thought they was crazy as fucking all
(55:06):
kind of whatever whatever, but you had the mind state
you have as.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
A good dude, there's always gonna be some security.
Speaker 2 (55:15):
You get me.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
Nigga's never gonna go broke. It's always gonna you get
me this this.
Speaker 3 (55:22):
I don't give fuck if the nigga never sold another
record or made another teny shoe. He has made enough
motherfucking money to where if there's the right person around.
Speaker 1 (55:33):
They're gonna keep that shit going forever. You feel me?
Speaker 3 (55:38):
So, like, really, like when you say, does it fuck
with his record sales? Or does it fuck with his
shoe sales? Or does it fuck with Kanye been ranting
and raven for about the last ten years now, what
has it fucked with?
Speaker 1 (55:57):
You know what?
Speaker 2 (55:57):
Because he's still around here, random Raven.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
He like, again, he's been rand and raving for about
the last ten years.
Speaker 3 (56:05):
What has it from the time he started jumping on
the stages and said motherfucking bushing him didn't like black people.
Speaker 1 (56:12):
And all that crazy shit, what has it stopped? Financially? Financially,
what has it stopped?
Speaker 2 (56:22):
It ain't really stop nothing. Speaking of financially, you know,
Jay said he lost almost two hundred million dollars because
you know, he's suing that girl. He's like, has he
has a lossuit going on with the girl who accused
him of rape and that attorney right right right, and
he's going after them. Ole said he lost two hundred
(56:44):
million dollars messing with that man, like because of that
all that.
Speaker 3 (56:48):
Yeah, because you gotta figure business deals and investors and
people like that are gonna be afraid to fuck with
you on certain shit so you can have deals on
the table. Nigga worked millions and people are gonna pull
out certain shit, you get.
Speaker 2 (57:04):
It just just because of the word, not necessarily because
it's true or no facts behind it. They just go
this is themselves because don't nobody want to get caught
up in the beginning.
Speaker 3 (57:15):
That's like you, you sitting on a you sitting on
a billion couple of billion dollar corporation. You're finna invest
in this dude, and you fina hand this dude one
hundred million. Right before you finish hand him one hundred million,
you hear an allegation of rape and all this stupid
shit with Puffy and whatever. Whatever, you're finna give him
(57:35):
a hundred million.
Speaker 2 (57:37):
You know what, Probably not, man, it probably wouldn't be
a good business move.
Speaker 1 (57:42):
That's what you're gonna say.
Speaker 3 (57:44):
At this time, we're gonna hold off and we're gonna
see how this played out, and then maybe on in
the future down the road, will will look back into
this venture. But at this time I don't want to
invest a hundred million getting into a motherfucker who somebody
say rape them, that that ugly.
Speaker 2 (58:06):
Ho hoves go sue the ship off this woman. Man,
he's a serious whether whether if whether it comes out true,
I mean not true, and you didn't do it whatever,
Just the stain of of of me going through with
the deal while this is going on, it's gonna have
(58:27):
me being frowned upon by certain people, like like he
supposedly did this and you gave him a hundred million,
Like how dare you? Like you invest in rapists and
shit like that. So now I can't do that shit.
I'm gonna keep my one hundred million right now.
Speaker 3 (58:47):
And like I said, maybe down the road will come
back around when it's when the funk then died out
and not too many people or you know, but while
this whole thing is going on, and you might not
be involved or it might be false allegations. But with
the puffy shit and then all this other shit, I
(59:08):
can't get my hands on. I can't touch that hot
potato right now.
Speaker 2 (59:13):
And that's why I really think they need to start
having stifferd penalties for people with these false claims of
slander people's names and then you know, coming out with
stuff just to try to gain some money for monetary games.
I think those people need to have criminal charges brought against.
Speaker 3 (59:29):
Them what some people do when it comes to blackmail
and doing shit like that. But that's the new aspect
of shit today. The new aspect of shit is it
don't have to be true. All I have to do
is bring up the accusations that it might have happened,
(59:51):
and it's gonna it you know it didn't happen, but
then there's gonna be a motherfucker that tell you maybe
you just want to pay this motherfucker off about five
or ten million because you.
Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
They fuck there. You see the shit going on with
Shannon Shot right.
Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
Now, I'm saying you don't want that stain because look
at what happens in the backlash of just the accusation.
Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
There ain't been no court coming out yet.
Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
Everything is just being settle settled because once it comes out,
these million dollar motherfuckers, they ain't gonna want to fuck
with you.
Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
So just think about it. Get a bit five million,
so she just go away.
Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
If you saying did nothing happen and everything was consentu fine,
but but the stain of going through the process is
gonna fuck you because people are gonna start doing this
with your contracts.
Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
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