The Hi-C Interview

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We like to welcome everyone to another episode of the
Gangster Chronicles podcasts, and this one is special. Right here,
one of my good friends from the city of Compton, California,
a lot of pivotal hits under his belt, considered the lection.
You know what I'm saying. It made a lot of records. Man.
He runs with a producer by the name of DJ

(00:20):
Quick that's a pretty decent producer and it's a home
right now. He's a fucking genius. Um, we got my
good friend high seat in the house. Cross. What's up? Man?
What's up still? Man? Just killing man. I've been waiting
to get you in here forever. Man. Man, this feels
crazy because you're my bro. We talked like every day,
like you know, yeah for sure. And that's why sometimes
we're doing these interviews, man, with people that you're real

(00:41):
cool with because all you're doing is having a conversation
and you know everything about that person. But you asked
him about stuff you already knew. So, Man, this is
special because you don't give a lot of interviews. I
think I've only seen like a couple of interviews on
your online There was people like I saw you did
one with Tony a yeah, and I think you're doing
with some baker. Yeah, that's the only that's that's it.

(01:02):
That's it. No social media at all. So when I
told the people and um, I did a post and said, hey,
I'm about to get high to see in the studio,
I had like, man, maybe liked people in the thread, man,
which is a lot. So you're real popular out there. Man,
I'm gonna have to do one of my like like
Kevin Durant is something. Give me one of them ghosts
and burners accounts and ship. You have to rocking and

(01:25):
rocking like that. You have too, dog, because people love
you out there and they want to hear from you. Man.
I love him back for show. So we could go
way back to the beginning. Since you don't do a
lot of interviews, how when you when you first start rapping, Man,
I had to be I don't want to say probably
if I had to take a guess, and it's not accurate,

(01:46):
but I want to say probably about thirteen fourteen years old,
somewhere around there, because a lot of people don't know.
You don't write your reps down on paper. Everything you
do is kind of like a freestyle. Yeah. Yeah, Like
I said, I sit there and think about it and
think about it, and it's almost like I treated like
a rehearsal, you know, like if you're going to school
or something you had to play that you wanted to recite.

(02:08):
And you know one of the Martin Luther King plays
that she was a part of when you was holding
the M and the M is for you know. So
I just felt like I wanted to have my hands free.
I wanted to be able to express myself using my hands.
A lot of us do. So I was like, man,
let me just start kind of like remembering, like, you know,
by the time we all in the studio, because we
all be you know, it'd be groups of us in

(02:29):
the studio, and by the time dudes finished, right and
their ship, I'm sitting there thinking about, Okay, I wanted
in there like this and I want to end it
like this. And you know, don't get me wrong. When
I first started, I had like no books and ship
that I used to write down. And I remember in
high school I had this like fold or a couple
of folders, man, and I don't know where the hell
they went. I think somebody got me or I probably

(02:52):
to misplace them. Ships or whatever, but nor I might
have some fire in there, like and you know, when
you got that ship, you can't get it back because
you wrote it down to a certain rain and you
can't remember exactly what it is. So I was like, damn,
I don't want to lose some more notebooks, you know,
So you just start keeping everything up beside the brain,
you know. Um, so you mentioned that you've got rapping,

(03:15):
start rapping real early's Quick producing there. Yeah, Quick was
doing most of the like Quick was more of a
producer than he was a rapper man. People don't really
know that. Like he was really uh DJ quick mix,
So he was doing all the beats for you early on. Um,
he was like I was messing around with stuff, you know,
on my own or whatever, you know, how to get

(03:36):
down or whatever. So but he was like he had
that ship downpat Like he would take the cheapest piece
of equipment or the like lower level piece of equipment
and just make wonders out of that ship. Like he
got every he squeezed every juice out of that limit
like he can't, you know, Like he just knew how
to take something and just make that ship just sound

(03:57):
real real good man. Yeah, because a lot of the
early recordings, you guys doing the mix tapes and stuff
on those Roodium Squat Meat mixed tapes. Yeah, they were
doing on four tracks, right, that was done on the
four track. That was Steve you the Rest in Peace
and Tony. Yeah. Yeah, those them ships took a long
time to do. That's how I ended up meeting like
Easy and Dr Dre you know, from from doing the

(04:17):
Roodium stuff too. Yeah, because you go back a long
way and you still look young as hell. Oh man,
think you know, always look like a kid. Every time
I see you. I got I gotta kick up, man,
I gotta kick the gym. Man, come on, man, you
know I'm you know, that's where i'd be at, and
that's what I want to go into. Man, when did
you When did the crew get together? Like when did
you start hooking up with Quick Second and nothing? All

(04:37):
those guys, well ship, most of us went to school together.
Quick stayed around the corn We from the same neighborhood
or whatever. So man, you already know so we you know,
Quick stayed around the corner and we was like real
tightest friends and just used to ride dirt bikes. Man,
like the stuff you see now when the dudes on
the dirt bikes. We was riding dirt bikes man, a

(04:58):
long time ago, like just in the streets and doing
our ship dirt by ride and just doing what you know,
the normal badass little kids was doing. And Quick was
over there doing this thing. I had another dude that
I used to work with, not work with, but just
make music, like just sunking around with with the turntables.
His name was Sean Whitehurst, so white Hurst mixed Master
white we used to call them. Used to blend all
the ship, and we had the reverbs and we didn't

(05:20):
really have drum machines back there, so we would just
get down off the instrumentals and then we started like
you know, everybody was doing their little ship. Back then
it was like ballers and they was making money and
they'll give us, giving like a hundred dollars just to
make a tape for him and say their name and
the tape because they wanted to impress the girls and ship.
So they'd be like, man, I'll be like, hell yeah,
I'll take this hunted. Like to me, it was like god,

(05:41):
damn young, you know, looking at the Hunter, it was
like back then, it was like God damn. That was
a lot. So take the hunters say their name in
there and you know, ship like that, and they wanted
their own little That's when the sound systems in the
car was real big, like need to shake your house
like two fifteens and ship off beating down the blocks.
They had their name in the tape, and then we

(06:01):
just kind of started like that and were with this
talk about eighty something. That's one of the sound systems.
That's my first Kelly. People have like five thousand watching
their trunk and you just like gorillas trying to get
over the Yeah, man, they ship in the cars. Man,
sometimes did it take your breath like you're feeling the
base in your chest and your eye lashes wiggling this ship.

(06:23):
You'd be like, god damn, but niggas is really into
that sound ship and putting you know, doing personalized tapes
and ship. You know, it was it was like the
thing you know so quick was always nice then, well
yeah I always had it's always had a talent and
just a gift for that ship. Yeah, so y'all get together,
y'all doing the mixed tapes and everything like that, and
y'all got the whole cruise. I notice y'all appeared on

(06:45):
each each other's joints, like, y'all will hear you on
second to none stuff out here? Second to none on
your stuff out here? Quick on your stuff, and vice versa.
So around what time did you get your first because
you was working with Steve, you don't rest in peace? Yeah,
I went to the Aldier man my boy, my, my
my dog man. He just recently passed away man the
uh my boy baby and b b me and bb um.

(07:08):
He was like craft man, come up to the road
and swap swap me with me. And I was like,
what's up there? He was like, man, I'm looking for jobs,
like we can get some money up there. And I
was like, no, ship. He was like yeah, So I said, man,
you sure. We caught the bus up there and put
up at the roodeum and he went. I think he
was working with some dude that did that, sold weights
and the weightlifting equipment and ship like that. So I

(07:30):
ran into this dude that sold pants like his name,
you know, named George, a little short French guy, and
Ship took like smooth with the ladies. He sold women clothing.
So I was like, all right, I'm gonna get a
job with him, helping him, you know, sell clothes or whatever.
And so I used to always hear this music coming
from this this stand, you know. She we was just

(07:51):
attracted to music or whatever. I used to hear this
music and I'm like, man, they're playing some ship over there.
I gotta go see what's going on, you know. So
I went over there and I saw Steve Yano, and
then I end up probably meeting Tony a like a
little bit later on. But I'm looking at still. I'm thinking,
you know, when I pull up over there, it's gonna
be some black dude or whatever. I look at Steve.

(08:11):
Steve Yano is Asian dude, long hair and ship like this.
His wife, you know, Asian shout out the suit. She
that's that's still a homie, man. So I'm looking at
him like man. But one thing about Steve norm you
can't judge a book by its cover, because this dude
knew every fucking record, every name of a record, who

(08:31):
made the record. Kind of like quick dude, Like we
would be riding and quickly do the same thing, like,
oh that's such and such you made this, and that's
the keyboard player from Janna where the Bernie, Well, he
just know all the ship. You know. Steve Yano was
the same way, Hey, you need to use this break
and do this and this and that. He was just
the king of the Vinyl So a lot of people
used to gravitate towards him to get their records. And

(08:53):
back then, you know, we just to sample a lot
of ship off a break beats and we'll go through
all kinds of cratesive records just to find that little
break so we can sample that ship to wrap too.
So Steve had all these old school records, and the
long story short, I just started telling him like, look, man,
I get down. I wrapped, you know, and I've saved
of some money to take my uh take my little
project to the black Hole studios. Back in the day,

(09:15):
that was a little black hole. So I found out.
I went in there and made me some little ship.
It was some little cool ship or whatever. It wasn't
really then I let him motherfucker here today. But it
was like some little ship, you know, Like I went
in there and stretched out and then he heard some
of my ship and he was like, okay, you're serious.
But I'm like yeah, I'm like this is my ship,
you know, And then I only that, Like I played

(09:35):
Alto saxon junior high then I played a little bit
of high school. So I was always into music, man,
just always into it. A lot of people don't know
because you produce yourself too. Yeah, you're you're a producer,
very good producer. Did you ever um at some point
what made you decide I'm gonna focus more on my
rapping than making the beat because you was doing both
for a while, right, Yeah, But it was primarily because

(09:57):
you never really put yourself out there as a producer.
No ever did, man, Because I feel like when I
do something like when I'm producing, I feel like it'll
be like if I'm working with you to be telling
made for me and you to get down on, or
if it's something for me like you know, like I
would out with my producing stuff, I feel like it's
more of a vogue, like a frequency, like a lower

(10:18):
level higher level vibe or whatever we into or whatever
we're shooting for at the moment. So I felt like
I wouldn't want to go and just do a whole
bunch of beats and ship for somebody else that probably
wouldn't understand where I'm coming from, you know, if that
makes sense, like this is what I'm feeling on this
or this is what I'm feeling on that. So I
just kind of like let like quick and then don't

(10:41):
get me wrong, quick is like to master at that ship.
So when he do the ship on the SP two,
if he can do that ship so quick and he
made it effortless, and it was like ship, that's you.
That's what you do. Like if we're playing baseball, you
the picture. I'm the catcher of the second baseman. We
got a short stop. I don't need to be doing
everything I can. Let him get down, you get what
I'm saying, Just stretch out on what I can do.

(11:03):
Not now who was officially in the crew, I'm gonna
try to name him off to him if I missed anybody, Yeah,
you got a second and then you got quick yep,
of course I see you. Then we had Homie mars
Burg well before magg was the only one that wasn't
from the city. But we put him on real early

(11:24):
in the game, like A and G. Just always been
good with the with another dude that produced to like
produced his ass off, write his own wraps. But he
was just like more like a real like rapper, rapper.
You know what I'm saying. That nigga can spit. He
got bars, you know, so shut off to MG. That's
my partner. I had to get him in there because
he's another dude to stay off the spot. Like hell yeah,

(11:47):
social media just around yep. Yeah. So we met G
later on and then um after G Sugar sugar Free
was sugar free, you know, like you know, that's that's
the whole We can get into that though, but we
go go through the whole thing. YEA Free came in
and then Massy was rested. Peace. That's my little nigger man.

(12:08):
Marsburger was like when our dudes that was upcoming like
but fast though, like he was, you know, doing this
ship he was. He was pushing a line heavy line on. Yeah,
he was hungry. Yeah, he was coming up fast. Mars
Burger and I gotta mention my homeboy me and then
gave me my first check, one of the guys gave
my first check because I got my first piece of
money through you. And then Black Tone got me my

(12:31):
first placement as a producer. Shout out black Yeah, shout
off Black Tone, and Black Tone is doing well now
he had a stroke. Yeah, yeah, he's recovering doing you know,
doing pretty good. We talked on occasion and ship so
man speedy recovery to black and Man for show. Okay,
so we go going to the phase man to where

(12:52):
you up at the Roodeum, And I don't think a
lot of people, especially the young people, they recognized the
significance of the Roodeum to West Coast hip. I would
say the rohodium and the compatence whapped meat are the
two hubs for Southern California hip hop, especially back in
the eighties. A lot of people got they start out
those two, you know, comptence whapped meat, not the rodium.

(13:12):
I would say, even more so the rodium because the
rodium was before the comptence wapped me. Yeah, no, you're right,
especially if if it wasn't before, but the music was before. Definitely, Yeah,
for sure. Because you mentioned seeing Dr Dre up there, Yeah,
for sure. Dr Dre would be up there hust on
his stuff, the world class wrecking crew at the time,
and the easy up there. That's how many an easy Matt,

(13:35):
You're easy, That's what I was going to. How did
you guys not wind up on Ruthless Records. That's that's
that's a big question. That's a good question though, because
I honestly thought, like back in the day, like when
we was getting down me and Quick and all, it
was like we really thought that was like because you know,
like just imagine kids from the city that didn't know

(13:57):
the industry at all too much. But we just know
what we see in front of us, which is, you know,
Ruthless Records that we see on the label. We don't
know how big it is or who owned it, or
this and this and that, and it was like Death Jam,
of course, it was just all of the what was
the other label? I think it was like a sleeping

(14:17):
bag and fourth and Broad this ship that we didn't
really know if we didn't know who was what or whatever.
But we also knew the bigger labels, you know, but
back then, the bigger labels catered to stuff like, you know,
the stuff that our parents are listened to, like Al
Green and Teddy Pendergrass and you know, Michael Jackson all
the ship that you know that people listened to. So
we didn't really know like the hip hop ship like

(14:38):
until Death Jam, you know, certain months came out, so
We was figuring, like, you know, damn, we want to
be down with Ruthless, but Ruthless was doing their own thing,
going through their own distribution channels. So we ended up
landing where we landed. Thank god, it was cool. You know,
you haven't been a lot of recording sessions and everything. Man,
what's the craziest thing you don't ever seen? The apping? Man?

(14:59):
Oh man, you mean like some turn up ship turning
up anything like that, especially you know y'alls some of
them death throw recording sessions. You heard about him And
I don't even know if it was at the studio,
but just for instance, you know your boy good niggas.
So I ain't gonna say no names or whatever, but

(15:20):
I heard. I heard it was the instance where Motherfucker's
is getting ready to make a move or whatever. And
they was in the hotel, right, so you know the hotels,
you know they have plush safe in the hotel, and uh,
you know, they was in the hotel and uh should

(15:43):
supposedly have put his ship in the in the um
safe in this big room. And some of the homies
went up there to go have a meeting with him.
So I ain't gonna say they name, you know, because
you know what I'm saying, I love at homies. I
don't want to make it look like we're making fun
of motherfucker's. But they went up there to have a
meeting with him, and she was up there, a couple
of the homies or whatever, and the safe was open

(16:05):
and it's those those safe you know that in the room,
the big black safe, and so the uh and this
is all what I heard. I'm telling the story because
of off of what I heard. So niggas know what
they did. Whatever. So it was jury and the safe.
You know, he'll take his jury off through it in
the safe or whatever. So after the meeting, they had

(16:26):
a meeting blah blah blah, this and this and that.
So a couple of the homies was about to leave
and a phone ring and his fat boy he said,
you know, she said, hey, come back, would be a
real quick and they could tell the way he said it,
it sounds like some bushit. It was like oh, Ship
and the homies was with him, and Ship was like,

(16:47):
what's going on? What? What? What? And he was like,
oh man, they want us to come back. And the
home was like, man, why what's going on? What's happening.
So the niggas double back and coming to the hotel room.
Motherfucker just got on their head and was like, man,
where my ship at. I was like, what ship? Man?
My jury missing? And he was like just grabbing motherfucking

(17:09):
And from what I hear them, they picked him up
off the ground. Darth Vader and the boy I'm talking
about it ain't no little nigga neither, but like ready
to tear here I'm talking about, was on his head.
You hear me still there? Yeah, then I you know,
calling him up and ship like some real ship, like, man,
where my ship at? Because back then, you know, like

(17:29):
some of that ship is like easily like five hundred
thousand dollars worth the fucking jury, you know what I'm saying,
rollies and ship plushed out or whatever the stuff. No, not, no,
let me finish the story. This is what's crazy. So
they got on the nigger man and I'm talking about
pressing nigga and about the I don't know if they
took off on him, but he was he was sucked up,

(17:49):
like you know, pressing real hard. And my nigga the
type of nigga that ain't gonna do no ship like that.
So you know, the other homie was like, man, hold on,
hold on, man, the homie don't do no ship like that, right,
And they didn't grab the nigga up. And I heard
they probably like slap him up a couple of times
or whatever. I'm just telling the story how I heard it.
But the nigg got, you know, he got, he got

(18:11):
some ship. That's when death Row was at his at
his finest, you know what I mean, the safe home.
He was like, man, hold on, hold on all this
motherfucking jewelry. They still you want to hear the funny ship,
the slid off of the velvet pillow behind the pillow
and the black safe, and the ship was always in

(18:32):
the safe the whole time when they moved the pillow
like man, it's right thereze and the HOPI just he
was just like all right, damn it. Didn't even apologize.
It was like all right for sure and just let
the niggas go on. So it was definitely some ship
going on back in the studios back in the day. Dude,

(18:54):
try to fight back anything. Hell no, you can't fight
back big still, I'm telling you're what I'm saying on me.
Death Row at his prime, full strength. It's better to
take that little swallow your pride. You walk out a
love full stress, shooting a few dollars for the inconvenience.
The inconvenience is nigger. You made it up out of here.
And when I thought, you stole my ship, what I'm saying,

(19:17):
And then it was another answers where the home? You
know what I'm talking about? But I can. I ain't
gonna say no names or whatever. But somebody had Bootleg
to take and it was a real big artist coming
up by the death Road that got the tape. I
don't know. See if I say too much, they're gon
connect the dots. But it was a real big artists,

(19:40):
a real big artist coming up by the death row.
He said, many fingers I put up, okay, okay, okay,
I got you, and the audience can see that. Yeah.
So it was a real big artist. And somehow one
of the dudes, one of the homies, end up getting
the tape. And I heard was Bootleg and the ship
or did some ship that they weren't supposed to do.
And Quick might have spoke on this, and one of

(20:01):
the records Bootleg the all lines on me, y'all gonna
listen to that right there. But yeah, but that was
one of them come on to you know, come up
here the Red Room. They call it the Red Room meetings.
And then you got his ass told the pieces. And
this is another big nigger, another big nigger. Yeah, I

(20:23):
think I knew the initials to this name. Should I
say the initials? Yeah? I won't say this will be yall, y'all,
we had to do your homework on this one right here. Now,
I got so much ship, you got to bring me
back on. I got so much ship, crazy man, y'all,
you want to look out for part two right here,
because we've got some ship going on. We got some
other ship we gotta talk to you all about. You know,
this real ship though. You know this ship ain't homey

(20:44):
got you know, but I mean by right like you
Bootleg and nigga ship, you taking money out of it,
you know, ta the nigga his pockets out of kids, myles?
Why am I like Nigga going the studio, blood sweating
tears doing this ship for motherfucker just to take it
and bootlegged and give it to a motherfucker so you
could d you had nothing to do with this ship
like I understand why dude was man like that. So

(21:05):
then you got in that red room and boy, I
want to ask you about another whooping. If she was
around for this whooping? Um, and this this got to
do with her own, boy bet, because you know Sama,
I just called Mosama, Osaman them on what the few
people's ask open the thing and we could talk about this. Um,
what was the name of that label? Man? That that

(21:27):
that Osama And then was messing with Oh the you're
talking about the Shepherd Lane, No, not shepperd Lane, this bungalow. Yeah,
what was my man's name up there? Oh? Yeah, you
know his name? But a little executive I saw the
homeboy Sama was in the meeting. He was talking about

(21:50):
let's get some stuff off the table, and dude kind
of got smart and got the taste slapt out of
his mouth back. And that's how I used to go
back in the day. Let's go back to day you
talked back. He was getting slapped a rounds toe up.
And that's kind of the reason why, Like they always
asked me, why I don't get into like putting out
a lot of dudes or you know, producing other artists
and ship like that, and It's kind of rare that

(22:11):
you see a dude that's really about this ship, that
really have that drive and really want to stay in
the studio. I really want to sleep in the stayn
care if they shave or take a bath. Them the
kind of niggas I wanted. I didn't want to Nigga
win like we did. We slept on the studio floor.
Niggas that that won't take a bath for three days.
But I'm gonna write this song. I'm gonna finish this song.

(22:31):
And these days, man to me, excuse me, but it's
it's just hard to find that drive. And dudes these
days they want that ship overnight. They want to be like,
oh I just got a record deal and they're gonna
go buy Jerry on the second day, Like Nigga, We
was in that motherfucker Jerry curl, dried out, breath stinking,
and they smell like whatever the funk. We smell like

(22:53):
two day old, what the fuck? But we're trying to
get this this that word roll. Like Tupac come in
there at my fucking manuty and quick and told me
stories about like Tupac running both of the studios and
ship like he'd coming there and funk with this beat
Quick was doing, and then funk with the other producer. Man.
I think it was Johnny one of them or dre

(23:15):
track or whatever. He was going back and forth, and
Quick said he had hit his cigarette and ship and smoked.
Go take a break, but he will not leave that
motherfucker because his work ethic was just something crazy, bro.
And I just feel like, yeah, I feel like, if
if dudes ain't giving me that energy, bro, I ain't
gonna waste my money or my time to be trying

(23:35):
to produce one of fucker's ain't hold people's hand. That's
why I'm not really into like doing that whole thing, man.
And I know it's some dope talent out there, but
it's just that's just not my I'm gonna tell you
for real, man. Digital Soapbox has a record label. Yeah, yeah,
we got a record label. The actually got some little
funding to a dog. And I would just rather go
back and miss with the O G S like you

(23:57):
missed with past like eight, because y'all gonna do what
it takes, man, yea take we go going there. It's like,
I'm gonna tell you, ain't nothing worse. I had an
artist before man, and I'm not with the babysitting stuff.
So I booke time. I booked time, and I go
up there about like the time it's time. It is
like from four to nine. I got a book from
four to nine, so I let artists do their thing.

(24:18):
I don't police nobody because obviously I signed you. I
think you're doping up the handle business. I go up
to the studio, man at six o'clock. Mine, you've been
up there since four. I go up there. Studio reeks
of marijuana bottles everywhere, and I'm like, okay, let me
hear the music. I'm expecting my Beagle Press playing and
I'm hear some incredible stuff. Oh, we ain't got started yet.

(24:39):
We're getting the vibe. I said, what that vibe cut off?
I said, man, you know what shut this ship down? Man?
Never will do it again, man, because you know what
you up here playing? Yeah. Man, See that's the one
thing I miss about ship. Like to get you in
there when the doors open. If it's game on and
you wanted the players think you better be playing, You
better be hooping, you better be rocking, you better be

(25:00):
doing something, because we ain't wasting no bread there's too
many other motherfucker's that's in the line that's trying to
eat too. If you're not gonna eat while you with
your turn, they can move out the way. And that's
just that's just how I go. Man. Yeah, man, you know,
so we can take a break real quick and we
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(25:23):
So your first record deal was actually on Disney. Yeah,
that ship was on Disney bro And that's what we
gotta make a whole movie documentary on the first rapper
on Disney and after me, they changed that ship to
Hollywood Records, like they wanted to be in the rap game,
but they didn't really want to, like the association, because like,

(25:45):
why did y'all sign me and give me all this money?
One thing they did they failed me. They laced me up,
they kept my pockets right, they giving it a check
just to shut me up sometimes because I'd be in
there complained and this ship, it's like and Peter Returnal
was the president at the time time. He's the lawyer
on Dr Dre ship right now. You know Dr Dre
and M and them. I think he had something to
do with the dre Beast deal. You know, Peter turn

(26:07):
of course. Yeah, so heavyweight. Hell yeah, Michael Eisner at
the time was over everything. So I'm like, they signed,
you know, they know where we come from. Quick was
doing his deal that Profile second, and I was doing Profile.
I think AMG was doing Select. I think it was
Select Records or whatever. It's the beauty of it. We

(26:28):
all had our own individual deals, but we was already
like Votron, we was already clicked up. But everybody to
get their individual back and none of them pockets was
deeper than that Disney ship. You know what I'm saying.
Hell yeah, no, I mean, boy, the fucked up some
good money. Just you talk about Disney Man. So at

(26:48):
that time, I'm pretty sure they wanted to kind of
censor a lot of your material. Yeah, they wanted everything
to be kind of clean. Yeah, that's exactly what they wanted.
You know what I'm saying, Because you didn't hear a
whole bunch of Kurt your earlier records. I mean, it
was a bunch of cursing on my records. That's kind
of what we like. We'll make jokes sometimes now, like
well compared to today, in comparison to what they doing

(27:10):
to day, it was kind of lightweight back then. I
won't say. I won't say it was lightweight, but I'll
say if it was different, but that it was different.
It was different, It was different stuff. Yeah, we was
more like street party, let's have some fun, let's hit
the street, let's you know, party turn up or whatever.

(27:30):
And they still do the same ship today, but it's
just in a different way, you know. Yeah, you sold
a lot of records with this hell. Yeah, and that's
when they wasn't really tracking ship, you know, like sound
scan wasn't really That's when they was the bootleg ship
was heavy. So a lot of this ship was bootleg.
But yeah, we did good with him. Yeah, because I
think you would sound scanning something like three hundred thousand copies, Yeah,

(27:52):
probably more so you figured efficiently. Now, Yeah, if you
signed scanning three hundred something body across, you probably sold
back in that time people on this and how big
the bootleg and stuff with you might have sold six
seven thousand, Oh yeah, for sure. Definitely. That's to me,
that was easy. And I love the fact that Disney
put me in like like the soundtracks of and seeing

(28:13):
a man. Certain movies that I was working with, like
South Center, like certain movies I had action to, like
getting in and putting my music in these these movies
and soundtracks and stuff like that, because of course it
was Disney, but they'll link me up a certain stuff.
And then you know, I was getting breaks like like
the Chris Rock ship, the cbfour movie. Yea doing a rapping,

(28:34):
me doing a rapping, and Daddy, I was doing a
rapping from step to sonic from doing the other part
of this ship. Yeah, straight out of low Cash and
all that swept for my balls and shout out to
Chris Rock right now. You know he hot right now
because all that controversial ship. But um, and then I
did another soundtrack for Chris Rock on that head of State.

(28:55):
I think it was called some movie or something. I
put one of my ships in there. So when I
catch up with Chris Man, we got a holler. Bro. Yeah,
for sure, you did a lot of pivotal stuff. Let
me ask you this man, this during the time. Man,
we're talking about the eighties right now, and in the
eighties it was just a whole another level as far
as gangsterism and the streets people was really gang banging,

(29:16):
and Quick was one of the first correct me if
I'm wrong. Quick was one of the first people to
really start kind of like banging the wax a little
bit because he would throw a little stuff in there. Yeah,
he would throw a little subliminal stuff in the records
and kind of let you know what it is. You
know on the mixtapes, you know, Ship the tape, you know,
the hood tape. So he just you know, we just

(29:38):
let it be known. And then after that it was
becoming kind of like, you know, the dudes that was
kind of stepping up because back then it ain't gonna
lie bro. It was just kind of hard to just
really get out there and just kind of put yourself
on the front line like that because it was really
like motherfucker's that will come and test your ship, you
know what I'm saying. So you do ship nowadays, and

(30:00):
it's still bad, don't get me wrong, but it's not
cameras everywhere back then like it is today. You can't
sucking sneeze or take a leak on the side of
a building without the motherfucker filming you now. But back
then and then it comes slide on you and do whatever,
and they don't know who did it until you know
what I'm saying, Like some of the greatest rappers alive,

(30:21):
they still don't. You know, it's unsolved. But right now,
dudes got cameras everywhere, they're actually doing ship on camera.
That's why I don't really rock with the social media
shipped too much, like taunting motherfucker's on cameras and motherfucker's
running up on people trying to get points and cloud
are doing the get shipped to people on camera. That's
just not my lane. I don't feel it. But if
that's what niggas do, I respect that. But it was

(30:43):
just different back then, bro. So when you said some ship,
you had to really stand on some ship. It wouldn't
like now because, um I see a lot of people
that claim they pie rouse their bloods and this and
crips and they're not necessarily really like that and they
can kind of get away with it. But back then,
you really had to stand on. You had to be
a man and where the read yeah, hell yeah, you

(31:04):
have to especially being a blood Hell yeah, you already
know back then because y'all plush, y'all king in the
time that where everybody has seemed like was crips at
the time. That's hey, the family back back and you
know I had family. I got family out of town
from the South and ship and they used to be
concerned about me and ship because they heard I was
running in the streets and they was like, you're not
You're not running, You're not. Uh. They all they thought

(31:25):
it was crip. Mean, they thought krip mean everything. You
know what I'm saying, crip was the Mexican Games. Crip
was that they didn't know, you know, you're not you're
not what you're not doing the crypt now like now
the what were doing. But they didn't understand it. This ship,
but it was it was it was hard back then
to be you know. Now, did y'all ever have any
conflict with that, like because people know him, y'all it

(31:49):
was part rouge time. Yeah, you best God there right,
let's talk about it. Man. We was the only one.
We was like the first ones to come out and
just they knew we wasn't you know, like they heard
a lot of the ship and what we was dressed
like and what we was wearing. They know we wasn't
you know, we wasn't no crips. They know exactly what
was going on. And it was like dudes that that,

(32:10):
like you said, the dudes from out of town that
probably heard somebody to say something. And then you have
some real niggas, Like I mean, it was one of
those things I think, if I'm not mistaken, we was
kind of like the first ones from from that side
to really go out and tour and people be known like, okay,
them niggas is dogs and you know the other niggas.

(32:31):
Looks like we were just torn, toring torn and everywhere
we go where some other. Back then before all the ship,
all the ship got twisted up. Norm all the bloods
have respect for each other, loved each other. It used
to be a thing where dudes and say blood love
you know what I'm saying. And it was like I
can go to San Diego, pull up on the dog
and just share break bread or whatever. I can go

(32:54):
from anywhere and it was like, come on, blood, let's
you know who. It was cool, like, man, the nigga
gout for you. But now they beet with each other
something terrible. I remember at that time, man, I remember
at that time that bloods would look out for bloods
and crips would look out for crips, and now it's
the thing man that wears more bloods killing bloods now,
and there's more crips killing crips. What do you think man?

(33:17):
Being one of them dudes that was that's really a
veteran of the streets. A lot of people don't never
bring your name up. But she was a real gangster.
You know what I'm saying. You're a real gangster, you
know what I mean. It was a real gangster. Of course,
we've grown men now, got children and you know, responsibilities
and stuff. So ain't nobody running the streets like they was.
But during that time, have you ever had an incident

(33:39):
on the road where you really thought it was gonna
go down? Man, we had a whole bunch of fucking
incidents like that ship quick talking about in the record,
just Liketen like being shot at this ship coming out
the back of the show, and the dude like, just
for instance, one night we're doing the show and I've
seen the dude had on this green never forgive a
color you had on green? With his change this ship

(34:00):
he was doing this thing or whatever. Then he was
in the show and joined the show singing our ship
and I think that was San Antonio. I'm not if
I'm not mistaken. Dude party and they had a couple
of his homies with him. I don't remember who exactly
was with him, but long story short, bro, we came
out and dude was laid out man shotting the dome

(34:23):
like somebody got him and domed him out there, and
he was like damn. And then we was trying to
get out the building. Some motherfuckers started shooting at us.
We had to throw the vest on quick and some
of our our team was with us security and ship
and homies and start shooting back at them. And we
got in the van. We had EMC Breed with his
man and EMC Breed manager was like, what the funk

(34:44):
going on? Y'all? This ship is real. This dude jumped here.
I think he had on a white suit. He jumped
on the ground and was laying under a van and
got up. I was like, man, y'all, motherfucker's crazy this
And then we was like, man, this this kind of high.
Go homie, when you're pushing this line, you know what
I'm saying, And not that we was pushing in the
line like that of banging on niggas, but they just
knew where we was from, you know what I'm saying,

(35:04):
So it was just made it a little bit harder. Yeah,
let's talk about this. And ironically, I wish I had
the homie up here today. You know, eight was from Tragnew.
Eight was from Tragnew. Y'all from Tree Top, y'all local
to each other. You're both from Compton. When the beef

(35:24):
started with him and quick, how intense did that get
for the whole camp? Man? To be honest, it was
one of those things to where, man, I don't even
know like how the ship kind of really got kicked off,
But it was one of those things to where it
didn't really it wasn't no different from the regular day
to day ship with us, you know what I'm saying,
because that's what we used to think about Compton, man,

(35:47):
And you know, Norman, because you haven't been out there
with us a million times. And ship Compton got so
many goddamned hoods. It's not that big, and it's it's
overflowed with hoods and congested with different hoods. If you
go on this side of the street, you in this hood.
If you go down this way, you and this head.
So we kind of just kept it pushing. It was

(36:09):
just everyday protocol for us. You know what I'm saying,
until we run into somebody. You know what I'm saying,
You know that ship though we ain't really we ain't
losing no sleep. I'm sure they ain't losing no sleep.
But if you run into him, we're gonna address the situation,
you know what I'm saying, Like, Hey, what's happening. And
then when we saw him in the airport and ship,
I thought it was cool, Like Quick said, you know
what I'm saying, we've seen him and the nigga was

(36:30):
on some big boy ship and I wasn't even gonna
let it go down like that. We was. It was
a few of us, and I think he was by
itself for somebody with one person. And then he didn't
rush him or nothing like that, because we don't do
that ship. You know what I'm saying. It's like, if
you want to take the faith, and then can take
the faith if that's what you want to do right now.
But they talked or whatever, exchange numbers and I think
he changed his number and that's what kind of made

(36:51):
Quick even matter, Like you know, what I'm saying, like
we're supposed to be like when he said, you change
a little deeper number. Back then niggas had pages, so
he kind of changed his number. I think that's what happened.
I'm not sure though. And the thing is, man, those
sixty ways since usually be so tuchi that he might
not have changed his number being on some stuff. It
might not have had number because I changed my number

(37:12):
all the time, That's what I'm saying. So you never
knew what the fun. You know, we don't know what
the fun is going on. But at that time, it's
like motherfucker's young, full of testosterone. You know, we want
to be the king of the hill, just like they
want to be the king of the hill. Niggas know
he had crept, they know we from where we're from
or whatever. So it's it's like that tension. Everybody already

(37:34):
looking at it like, Okay, you know, I'm motherfucker at
at school. When you see a motherucker about the fight,
you're like, oh, motherfucker's like they're doing all this ship,
like let's see what the like. Motherfucker's just wanted to
see what was gonna happen to me? And it was
like no difference from like every dayhood ship. You know,
yeah for sure, and that's what goes on. The one
thing I do want to say, Eight has always let
it be known I see my nigga, you know, chill

(37:57):
to shout out chill. Yeah, you know, there's some good cats, man.
And that one thing I do think is cool is
that that stuff did get resolved. And I'm still waiting
to hear that eight and DJ Quick album. Man, that
that collaboration, you know what I mean. I think it
would be dope. I think would be dope, and I
think right about now it's something that we definitely could
make happen. I think the world is still ready for that.

(38:19):
Hell yeah, you know, I think the world is still
ready for that. And they also also here they also
ready to hear some new music from High See. Why
do you wait so long in between songs man to
put our projects? Man? You know what, like we do
songs man, and at the time of the ship, just
be right, I could play some ship right now. We
got that. Ain't nobody heard a few things that ain't

(38:39):
nobody heard that. People will be like, man, what the
funk you doing? It's dope, ist fucking this and this
and that, and sometimes we just work on ship and
just put it to the side or never come out
and start working on some new ship. Like you know,
you know how the good ship you've been in the studio. Yeah, well,
you know what what's funny man about that is like
when we put let Me Know out that really it

(39:00):
was four years old already, and the music is so good.
It's timeless. It doesn't have no time stamps on or
nothing like that, to where you can hear one of
your records four years from now and it still sounds
current and not believe that's because you guys are such
great musicians. It's music and it's not tied into no trendy.
Ship is not tied into no stuff that's going on.

(39:21):
It's like you guys always recreating your own thing. That's man,
we do, man, And that that record, that particular record
you're talking about. Man, we were sitting in a quick
living room and just sucking around. This Nick in his
boxers and we're over there just fucking around with some ship.
He's comfortable, we at the house chilling, and we just

(39:41):
started sucking around. And everybody hear that song and be like, man,
is that a sample offer, you know, is it Rogers
that you know they think is a Zapp or somebody
or you know, Roger Troutman or whatever the funk they
think it is. But no, this is some ship that
I think it did like straight, you know, just genius
thinking and this me coming up with the hooks or

(40:02):
whatever and ideas. That's one thing I love about the Click.
We always threw ship at each other lines, hooks, choruses,
you know, like when you're a groupy like man, I
don't know, try to say this or do this or
what you think about that? Like, no, we ain't doing
that like that, you know what I'm saying that It
was just always that good like camaraderie, you know what

(40:23):
I mean, Like just team effort of putting out some
good ship. Yeah, for sure. And I don't think when
people mention top producers. A lot of people on the
West always mention Quick's name and they top five. But
a lot of people outside the West they always named
Dr Dre and you know a few other people. But
Quick as as Quick is not just a great producer,

(40:46):
he's also a great engineer, also a great song writer.
He does everything well. Everything He does everything well because
a lot of hooks, y'all having on records to beat
him singing. A lot of people don't know. They don't
know NIGGI gets saying like the old Rigard prior said,
and they have to saying to get some puzzy. So
I want to ask you about a few people in
the crew. Man, Um, how did Masburg rest in peace?

(41:10):
Coming to the Fold? I want to hear the whole story. Man,
Moss bird Man, Baby bird Man. That's that's man, that's
my dude. I missed Masburg. Massburg came into the fold.
Black Tone had the shop, the baseball car store. You
know Black always keep a couple of businesses here. He
had the beauty salon this story. You know, Black always
getting that check. So um, he came up there and

(41:35):
I don't know if it was one of the homies
from Campanello, somebody brought him up there or whatever. And
he had a little demo, man, and I never forget
it was off of Michael Jackson. The doe dude did
the doe dude? Dude? What is that with? Uh? Smooth criminal?
You yep, smooth criminal. And he did a song off
of that, and you you gotta know Mossberg is like

(41:59):
six five normal, what was the six four and six
five ship to ninety but almost then the three and
big boy, you know what I'm saying, Like big intimidating,
like but young though, and he was like and serious
as fun, and I just like how he was serious.
And he went by Johnny Burnt, like Johnny Burns and
he had this song some something, Mr Johnny Burns is

(42:21):
the real list this then the like he just changed
it all up, and I was kind of like, man,
this niked man. He I funk with him because out
of all the ship you could have sampled what you did.
He took Michael Jackson and did the ship off of
Michael Jackson, but looking like serious, like yeah I did
Michael Jackson. I saw Mallsburg was like, yeah I did

(42:43):
Michael Jackson. What's up? And the nick ain't gonna say
that to him ship? Like you know what I'm saying,
Like because that nigga is bought his ship, you know
what I'm saying. And I kind of used to smirking
like did Michael Jackson. But Mallsburg was hard as fun,
so we kind of I just I took a liking
to him. Since then I love him, like man, he
was like down to like say, you know, because I'm
the type of nigguy. I like Michael Jackson too, Like, uh,

(43:06):
my cousin and his girlfriend got in my car, one
of my cars and ship. You know, I do the
car shipped too, So I got a car business or whatever.
I got my own dealership like ship, so I keep car.
I'll be in all kinds of ships. So they got
in one of my cars and I had a Michael
Jackson CD in there, and they fell out laughing because
they thinking like, oh, like crows ain't never listened to

(43:26):
Michael Jackson. He's supposed to listen to. This was years ago,
Like oh all you know hard Ship. I'm like, they
go like, that's one of the best sounding albums, one
of the best ever. Yeah, hell yeah. So I'm like
the funk when I listening to Michael Jackson. So by
Massy doing that, I was like, they could go head,
let's see what you got. And then we just took
him in and just grew a liking to him. Yeah

(43:47):
for sure, And he got behind them quick beats in
the rest man. That's yeah, that'ship history after that. But
actually y'all did more songs together than anybody else, right, Yeah,
me and Massy did we We didn't do We didn't
get a chance to do all of the song. Like
I said, we got Ship that ain't even came out
or whatever, and Ship, but we do so much Ship
norm You're like, we get in there and just get
the working bro, and then when Ship get divvied up,

(44:09):
or we want to put this on this album, do
this on that album? Like, um, Ship, that's how I go.
Because he was on his way man, and then um,
he was murdered on the fourth of July weekend? Correct
ye and michaelrect How how did that impact the whole camp?
If fucked everybody up? Bro? Until this day, until this day,

(44:30):
I really don't go nowhere on the fourth of July.
I can't get the ship out of my head. Like
it's I don't even like to go nowhere on the
fourth Bro, y'all Remember when it was fourth of July
and I started running with y'all? Remember Black Tone and
called me and said, hey, where are you at. You said,
I'm at the crib. He said you should probably stay there,
and he said, don't go nowhere on the fourth. To
this day, I don't think none of y'all going nowhere
on the fourth of July. Yeah, but I just don't

(44:52):
my my spirit be down. I don't know, it's just
don't get me wrong. I like the Independence Day and
like the kids and ships. Some of them don't even
know the back story, they too young or whatever, but
it's still bothered me to this day. Man. And if
I come out on the fourth, it's a rare occasion
that I come out on the four. I just like
the chill, you know, because you a l A and
ship and this with us. It could be fireworks and

(45:14):
then it could be it could be a blammber. It
could be anything. You know what I'm saying. It could
be a grenade. Niggas out here be OsO bullshit, So
it could be. You don't know what the funk going
on now? Who came in? Sugar Free came in before
Masbro right, Yeah, Free came in before Mosburg. That's the
one I want to know. How did y'all discovered sugar free?
Who discovered sugar free? Man? I'm gonna tell you, Like this,

(45:37):
Black Tone has sugar free and sugar Free had a
sugar Free? Was Royal Rock or the Pure Pimp and
he had, uh man, I can't think of my boy
that was producing, but it was Tones, uh Tone people
was producing. He had a different producer and just to
be real, like Black and Quick wasn't really speaking at

(45:59):
the time, wasn't seeing eye the eye or whatever. And
I got that Black. I'm like, man, I like sugar
Free and he was like yeah, this and this and that.
So Tone did a couple of songs. Don't even he
was working on ship and um, you know, like Tone,
we all from the same neighborhood or whatever. So I
was going back too quick and I was like, man, Quick,
you need to hear this ship, this sugar Free ship,

(46:20):
and I don't. He heard it and he was like, oh, yeah,
that sound kind of cool. It reminds me of like
like the Homie, you know, like Earl Ship like forty
and he was like, yeah, I got that vibe. He
was like. I was like yeah, it's like, no, you
really need to hear this naked get down and seen.
So not trying to take the credit to my own horn,
but I got the niggas kind of like squash. The
differences of a settled without Quick end up coming to

(46:43):
the Black Tone Mom's house, in Compton and start working
on free Ship. Right there. The niggas got a vibe
and it just kind of took off ever since. Then
changed his name to Sugar Free. And I told the
story before though about to get your money while you bush.
And I was done in my studio in North Hollywood
and ship Quick was in my shower. He said, he

(47:03):
was in my shower and he heard my pipes. You know,
the pipes when you're trying to off, they go cuck cuckoo.
And he said, the pipes was going clo clo, cuck
clu cuck cuck cuck clu cu cu cu cucko. The
nikka hopped out of my shower. And you know, I
got showers and a couple of showers in the spot
or whatever. Sw I'm in my ship just doing me
or whatever, and I got equipment everywhere so we can

(47:25):
just get up and rock. Because I kept the North
Hollywood studio spot some otherfucker's I'll contact where I lay
my head at with my family and how you know,
you know that ship, I won't know everybody you know
and there, so I kept that ship up there like that,
Quick jump out the shower, bloom boo bloom bloom bloom
boom bloom bloom bloom bloom bloom bloom boom bloom boom boom.

(47:47):
And when he started working with that ship, bro I said,
God damn almost funked up now because I told quick.
I was like, nigga, don't get that ship to nobody.
That's your new ship. You're back. You know, this is
the new you're back on. And he was just rocking
with you know, quicker, go for a beat. You here
that my fucking rocket for forty eight dollars straight like,
and then again I'm just bobbing my head to it

(48:08):
like this ship. It's hard like this the ship. So
the nigger free came over and he said, some ship
a couple of lines, take times out of pimp you
a house and you still won't know you want overuse.
But man, this nigga starts saying this ship me and
quickly like that at each other, like hell no, this

(48:29):
this niked beat like to this day, right off the
record in the club today it's still goes off like
it's like it's back in the nineties. Yep, it still
goes off. So y'all got all this stuff going on, man,
And and that that, and I think that's a big
thing A lot of fans want to know. And I say,

(48:52):
week as I was around doing them times, we could
have had one of the most powerful cruise of all
the time was everybody was on dog. Hell yeah, we
still can. And all ninas had to do is put
their differences to the side and just power up and
just do the ship like it's easy to do ship
when you're doing it with a crew and you ain't
got a late three verses on your song, you know
what I'm saying, you recording on him? You know this
ship Still if I got to do three verses, I

(49:14):
got to sit there and write three verses to a song.
But if I'm doing a song like I put you
on my album, I'm gonna do the first verse, Big
still gonna do the second one, and Free or Quick
might do to you know what I'm saying, the second
to none and AMG might come and do this and
it makes the ship easier. And then like I said,
we get the exchange ideas and bounce it off of
each other and ship like we always do. Because at

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one time, I know, at one time Quick was doing
some stuff with death Row because he had this situation
with Priority Records. Profile. Yeah, it was a profile. Yeah,
he was a profile, and I think he was making
a transition from profile to airs to something like that,
and they weren't letting him release no music. Yeah, it
was something going on. I ain't gonna sit in here
in a line about it. I don't remember exactly what

(49:56):
was going on, but it was a transition between profile
and then ARISTI with Claude Davis. He was, you know,
because I know what I was gonna ask about this.
He was doing a lot of stuff with death Row
at that time. For sure, he was doing some stuff
with death Row. And I know we speak on it,
or we cannot speak on it, but you know, this
was the Gangster Chronicles. We got to ask about it

(50:16):
at one time. And I ain't gonna say what it
was behind everything, but one time y'all wound up outside
the gates of death Row Records, and it was because
of you that didn't go down. You saw somebody knew
you and they was like craw with the hill going on,
and y'all was cool. But she was the reason why
it didn't really go as bad as it could have.

(50:37):
I'm gonna say part of the reason why But you know,
when we went up there, man, it was just a
lot of a lot of fucking like tempers was flaring
and and honestly, man, we went up there and it
was like it was one of those things to where
like if it if it would have been like a
car backfiring or anything like a nigga would have shot

(50:57):
of firework off the ship that went real left Norman.
She could have went bad home because Niggas was up
there strapped up. Niggas is up there. And then we
found out later though I heard I don't know if
that's true, but some niggas is on the roof, you
know what I'm saying. Else So we was on the
outside of the gate, you know, black Tone for sure.

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A couple of the homies. I don't even want to
get on, you know if they But we was out
there with the with the hoovers with the groove. The
groove was with us on our side, and then we
was looking on the other side of the gate and
it was some of the homies too. So when the
homies see me, he was like, man, what's up? Man?
He said, Man, I'm up here and I don't even

(51:39):
know what the fun going on. They just called me
and I said, yeah, Ship, we just got the call
to like, you know what I'm saying. You know, wh
niggas get that call. So we're like we're there and
ship and um man, dude, Like I don't know. It
was just one of the things to like, like, bro,
we we're the same type of niggas, you know what
I'm saying, So we're not gonna be pressed. We're not

(52:01):
trying to press, but we're the same type of motherfucker.
So we wanted to see what's happening, Like what's good
is the niggas Do we have to squabble up? Because
I'm looking for the nigg of my size, you know,
I'm I'm there. I'm probably like one of the shortest
niggas there. I'm like, okay, I'm gonna get down with him.
I remember one of the homies from the Groove, uh,
I think his name was Boom. He wanted to get

(52:22):
down with Bounchy because then nigga about the same size.
And I just like how the ship was going far
as that aspect of it, Like it wasn't know, like, oh,
I'm looking for the weakest link or I'm trying to
pick on the little with nigger type of ship and
and uh niggas had you know, strapped up ship and
they and they waste bands and they. I mean, it
could have got crazy, norm But Nigga is just really

(52:44):
kind of knew, like, Okay, you you're working with some
real niggas. They know we're some real niggas, and we're
gonna let this ship. We're gonna figure this ship out
and straightening out. And we end up getting that shipped straight, bro.
But it could have went left it. That was. That
was a real story. Like people talking about the ship online,
but it was a real story. Like it was a
real story. And you know, we ain't gotta mention the

(53:06):
whole bunch of people's names and stuff like that, but
I knew it could have went down. That was. That
was a scary time. Oh yeah, for sure. And I'm
talking about broad daylight man. And they were saying that
the police was driving by and then motherfucker' wouldn't even stopped.
They were scared, like they looked at the ship. It
was like so it was just a big It was
all out in the middle of the street like that.
It was by the gates, you know, Wilshire it was

(53:28):
by the gate. You know what the old death Row
ship used to be. Yeah, because we used to go
to death Row. Like Nigga's talk all the death Row ship.
But if he wasn't going to the to the death
Row that was on the train tracks that I think
that was a Canamn or whatever studio. That was the
Red Road. We haven't been all up through the motherfucker,
you know what I'm saying. So and Nigga's weren't doing
that back then. They wasn't really doing the death Row ship. Yeah,

(53:49):
not know for the record, Tony should did it make peace?
Eventually it was all good. Oh yeah, for sure, it
was all good. And I'm gonna say this bro, And
I never really said this ship on camera, But sug
Is is a cool nigga bro. Like he one thing
about ship. He will go straight in your situation out.
He will go figure out what's going on. A good nigga.

(54:09):
And like always, niggas used to be like hey man
called fat Boy fat Boy, that's what you know, the
little nickname, or niggas before they called him Simon or
whatever because Simon said to do something that niggas to
do it or whatever. But shug was always a cool
like me and Shugar always had the best relationship because
he big old nigg and he always said, what's up, littlenigga,
Like like we was at the gate when the ship
was about to go down. The nigga came out the

(54:29):
gate that came to me and you know, tap me
on the starting like I guess he was checking to
see what kind of strapping or whatever. But what's up,
little nigga? I was like, what, man, what's the going on?
If you wis got all this ship going on from
the same you know niggas homies and ship you know so,
but he always been a good nigga. Now the thing
is to me, just my this is just my opinion. Normal.

(54:50):
If you borrow something from shig if you asking Ship
for money, are you trying to come up on Shigar
Are you trying to get it to me? If you
asking for something, that that's when the ship get a
little bit tricky, because Sugar is the type of saying, Hey,
I'm gonna get you, I'm gonna put you in the studio,
or I'm gonna give you. You know, you need to
you know, Ship, you need to go do this and

(55:10):
this and that that might slide it to you. But
the first he wanted his bread back, and the first
time he called you and he said, hey, we're doing
this uh Oprah Winfrey show and you need to come perform.
Oh man, I'm I'm down in Uh my car ain't
working and this and that all right? All right, blood,

(55:31):
when you get up there again, you might get the
ship slapped out of you might. Yeah, but I'm just saying,
you're making the deal with the think of that. Ain't
fucking around of playing those games, you know what I'm saying,
So you gotta definitely know what the deal is you're
dealing with. Yeah, And that's just and I ain't necessarily
saying borrow money, but I'm just saying, if you ask
him for something and you yeah, he's gonna deliver, so

(55:54):
he expects the same in return. Bro. And that's the
only thing I've seen with that's just once again my
assessment of it and ship. You know, I think that's
most people's assessment from what I hear, because I'm hearing
that anybody that did have a problem with Sugar, when
you check the back story, they don't got money from him,
they don't try to take advantage of them somehow, and
he just wasn't going for oh not at all. And
to be honest with you, the way the music in

(56:14):
the three is designed, you need a sugar night and
you need a Tony laying around. Yeah, And I want
to touch on Black Tone a little bit because Tone
don't never really get the credit he deserved as far
as being an executive because at one time he had
had his label on the streets. Hell yeah, and no
I ain't. Once again, I'm doing the interview, but bro,
I'm not too my own horn. But Tone was like

(56:35):
more of a dude that was getting He had his
own businesses in the eighties, Bro, like the car shops
and all this ship. Tone do business like. He was
a businessman in the beginning. But the Nigga street you know,
Tone was like you know ship like they called him
Osama being lad. That's that's black black hat businesses. He
wasn't even thinking about the record ship. And I used

(56:56):
to always tell him he was like raw man, funk
this music. Man, I don't want to be dealing with
all these weird you know, don't say everybody he's a
buster as then you know that man ain't dealing with
all these buster as, weird niggas and ship like the
Man the niggas, and I'm like, Black, you got too
much influence out here on these streets, Homey, you gotta
do something. And He's like, man Crawf, I don't feel
like dealing. I'm end up slapping the shoot out. You know.

(57:17):
I'm blo. I'm gonna slap the shoot out of one
of you. Keep up playing with me, I said, tone, No, bro,
And I was the one that norm that I kept.
I kept. I was in the nigga ear in the
nigga ear. Well, that's why I'm asking you about the
crow because for y'all to don't know out there, Craft
should have been named the Fixer. A lot of situations
that got resolved, a lot of situations that got fixed

(57:38):
was him behind the scenes, really convincing somebody not to
make that next move or to make that next move
for show Man. And that's just how I am in
my harbor. I'm I feel like, you know, piece the
nigga by the ship. But if I can bring peace
or squat some ship or just some stupid ship, did
this nigga say something about your mama? No, didn't He
can say nothing about your mama, knowing that the nigga did.
I'm just that type of nigga that try to dare

(57:59):
the ship for it escalate. But I was pushing the line, Black,
you need to do this, do this. So he ended
up just getting into the ship. That's how the Sugar
Free you know, Wallsburg was it there for a time? Man?
That um Lane Way and death Rog almost got linked
up in any kind of way. Was there some talks
to that um man? You know what, I like, like, uh,

(58:24):
Black and Sugar you should talk, you know what is
cool whatever? Black and Sugar used to talk. And I
don't even know if I was I think Black told me.
I don't even know if I remember the whole story,
but Black told me I was kind of like one
of the first ones to kind of get them to
talk because we heard something. I forgot what should had
of something? Black and I'm like, man, this should and

(58:44):
he was like man who and this and this and
that and knowing that his people stayed on the east
side or whatever, and the twins and all that. I
don't know how the ship win, but we always was
in the mix with each other, and I think they
used to talk about trying to do something together and
and you know, like when you deal with two of
the funders, that's just the juggernauts of the era. They're
gonna respect each other like gentlemen. You know, real niggas

(59:07):
moved like gentlemen, and ship don't be don't know all that,
but I think they always had to think of like
I'm gonna do my ship over here, this is my empire,
and should had this empire already, And that's kind of
how it always been. But I knew it was kind
of probably some talks are like like should always be
like man, bt you know, bet blood come over with me,
understand ship and like, I don't know, but I know

(59:29):
it was some talks, But I don't know if how
far that ship was sometimes to the realist king sit
in the same room, you know, some some sometimes it
just don't happen like that, man, And I know it
was a lot of success throughout the years. Man, what's
the most what's the biggest moment that you remember? Man?
Just music wise, from the whole crew, what's the biggest moment? Uh? Man,

(59:50):
one of the biggest moments I could say that was
like just to me, that was dope. Like it was
just a moment, man, it was like, God damn this ship.
It's like live when we did the Summer Jam or
one of them, I think it was Summer Jam and
the LDD bars came out. You've seen that footage, the
old footage over and we was all out and that

(01:00:12):
it was just like you looked to the back of
the crow. You couldn't stop seeing motherfucker's. That's how many
people was there where it was just waves and waves
and waves of people. It was just waves and motherfucker's
And it was like when they came out, they knew
all of the high Sea Ship, they knew all of
the Second and None ship, they knew all of the
a MG ship. Of course, they knew all the quick ship.

(01:00:33):
And then they didn't even think that the Nigga would
bring out eld bars. And when the eld D bars
came out, it was like, I swear I saw girls
in the crowd naked. That's what I thought I saw.
I ain't gonna lie, was throwing their paintings on. Like
this ship was crazy and it was like one of
those moments to where and normally you know how I move, man,
I'd be most of the time I'd be by myself

(01:00:54):
or whatever. But I'm always humble and and I really
feel like it's a blessing and then continue blessed and
to be in the game like that, you know, to
make it. I feel like I tell people sometimes it's
like hitting the lotto, if you hit the lot of
you and this ship. A lot of motherfucker's dope motherfucker's
never made it for sure, never made it, Just like
playing ball. The badest motherfucker's don't make it because the

(01:01:14):
niggers probably can't read or they got to get a
you know, some system that they made those and they've
gotta have an A plus to be average or whatever,
which to me don't want. Some people just don't want
to buy by the bullshit, because whenever you're in music,
sports there's a lot of bullshit. It is bro and
to me sometimes I think it's the way to level
the play and feel like why I got to be
a scholar. If I know how to shoot this ball

(01:01:36):
or I know how to you know, do Hooper write
this song? I don't need to be getting no straight
they I don't need to know rocket science to do
this ship. You know what I mean, I do what
I do good, and I don't be no fucking dummy
and let people rip you off and take your money.
But to me, it was like, okay, I'm not gonna
let him get this scholarship because he didn't carry this
particular grade average, you get what I'm saying. But he
dope as fucked. So now he comes to motherfucker with

(01:01:58):
less talent might your white boy, It's like, okay, you
can get this, you know, because you're you're a scholar
or a student, but you can't boop like him. But hey,
it's a spot for you, m So you know I
should go. Man, Yeah for sure. You know. One of
the things that we will say about black tone, you know,
we gotta have the black people always talking about the

(01:02:20):
negative that somebody do right, but black tone man, like
I said, he got me my first check as far
as my first place. Man, you got me my first
piece of money, you know, like you know, coming to
business and everything and taking me on the road and everything.
And you know what they asked me about Noir, the
Malibu is most wonted? Is that big steal in there
when you was on the on the movie. Yeah you
got me, Yeah, I went up there and Um, I

(01:02:43):
never will forget that day. I went up there with
you on some hanging out stuff. You was like norm
with audition, and that's when they had to let's go
in the room kind of battling each other. Yeah, we
got to go in there, and I wanted to wash
Chenie's ass, you know, because Chene was in there. He
was talking about some being and I don't even remember
Cheney being there shout out, that's my boy. Many was

(01:03:05):
up there, man, you know, you know, thank god I
wound up getting that feature. You know what I mean,
you're in that moment. That was a nice look check
at text that we're still getting to this day. Yeah,
we still get that check, you know, we still get them. Yeah,
to this day, man, we get them checks. Man. It
was a bunch of cats up there that day. That's
how I am. Man. I if I can make some bread,
I'm a break bread with tommies. That's how I'd be, like,

(01:03:27):
you know, yeah, for sure, man, And I want to
go back because I think we got to talk about this. Man.
Y'all linked up at the Rodium. That's for your first
man's Yeah, when did y'all decide? When did y'all start
making records together. Man, I'm gonna be honest. When I've
seen Tony like start scratching and mixing, and he knew

(01:03:47):
a ship because when you look at tone, it's like
back especially back then, I'm like, I don't know if
this motherfucking no, you know, like, do he really like
you know how like we was young, you know, you're
sizing my fuck up, just like this ship with the
street ship, like you you can see how the nigga
walk or how you move or how you how you act,
Like Okay, this is this is real one rka cool.
This ain't even affiliate like kind of like that. So

(01:04:10):
I kind of just looked at him and I was like,
I don't know if if I don't know if he
really you know, got it, you know what I'm saying.
So the motherfucker start mixing and doing this little shit.
I'm like, God damn, this is motherfucking though. And he
knew how to blend records and he was scratching and
ship and I'm like, oh, hell yeah, I'm gonna funk
with him. And we just started recording. Man, and I
went to Womanton went to his house, and it just

(01:04:33):
took it from there. Man, we just kind of build
a relationship. Yeah, So he was from a real because
at that time Womanton was women want to be played with,
you know women. So for Shure, like we was out
there doing ship and we just took it from there. Bro.
It was like he impressed me, bro, like with some

(01:04:54):
of his mixing skills and like the ship he could
do with scratching this and that, and then his producing
and he just had a knowledge of ready to get
all of like the like the oldie type of hits
and ship. And I was kind of like the first
one that because my thing is like I like to
paint pictures and tell stories and ship like that. So
he was the type that will find this like Okay,
let's just do this or this and this will go

(01:05:16):
good with that and just putting ship together on the
mix tapes. And also like when that motherfucker was doing
the mix tapes, that's when you know he got ice cube.
I think to get down on one um dre easy,
the one we do easy e uh. Like man, everybody
like you said that was coming here looking for vinyl
and ship like that. You know what crazy thing about

(01:05:41):
that Crows is you always had a really really huge
Mexican audience. Yeah, you know, like Parks said, it wouldn't
be La without the Mexican So shut out to all
the Mexican armies. This out there doing a thing, and
I think something that was real genes that you did.
You know Mexicans love the oldies. Yeah, they loved most
cats loved. Yeah, what made you all decide the sample?

(01:06:03):
I'm not your puppet man? Who who was that man?
I think we started off doing that ship on the
mix tape, and the reaction of the response that we
got from that ship, from the mixtape version of it,
it was like it was automatic. It was like we
got to do this on the recording and go in
the studio and do it professionally. And we did it
at uh uh Audio Achievements. I think it was Donovan's student.

(01:06:29):
We did n w A was doing and they had
the top notchi equipment and I got to look at
some of Dr Dre ship and seeing that Dre, I've
seen what you was doing, Dre years ago. This nigger
had and I could tell it now because I know
drein even tripping away. He had an eight oh eight
that was meetied up and if people don't understand, you

(01:06:49):
don't understand, don't even think about it. But the mid
cable to a fucking eight oh eight, and I'm like, this,
dude is not playing like every time that eight oh
eight hit, it's coming right out the machine. It was fresh.
I'm that's how they should be sounded so cracking. But
we went in there to record I'm Not Your Puppet
and came out with that sound. That's why I sound
like sonically clear and ship like that. It was like

(01:07:11):
one of those records that that everybody was like, man,
when it's coming out. We had to do it, so
shot the video at the Rhodium. It was just automatic
as dope. Dog. Do you think that's your biggest record
to date? I think it is, bro, I really think
it is. I really think that's, like, you know, one
of the biggest records today that that I did. And

(01:07:32):
just you know, all the features that we did on
each other ship, Like on quick album we got Medley
for a v like Snoop Me and Snoop was on
the air and g like all of us the older
bars like them records like people don't hardly know about.
But I was just thinking about that the other day,
like all the features that we did with different motherfucker's. Man,
it's like we got so much ship. Bro, Yeah, we
we definitely. Man, Well, I'm gonna do everybody. I'm gonna

(01:07:55):
go outside. I'm gonna go over Cross House one day
and I'm gonna go in to vote y'all and I'm
gonna steal all them songs he got that he don't
want nobody to hear, because I'm gonna tell y'all he
got some heaters in there. Man, for sure, Are we
ever go get any more high seat music? Man? You
know what I really be feeling like? You know when
I get that inch norm you know how we are
we gyminizing ship, get that itch man and that ship

(01:08:18):
turned on and you get that creative juice, you just might. Man,
that's one thing about You're not gonna put a record
out before his time. And you just don't go on
the studio for the sake of going to the studio.
Hell no, because I ain't pressed like that. Like to me,
when you're pressing and you're trying to do this, and
you gimmicky and you want to do I gotta do this,
or I gotta do that or or motherfucker's that try

(01:08:39):
to bait motherfucker's into a battle and ship. I've never
been that type of motherfucking Oh did he say something
about me? Or did he? Was he dissing me? I
gotta diss him, like all that old bullshit to me.
And if that's how you live, don't get me wrong,
that's more power to you. But I don't look around
like that. I do it when that ship feel good
and it feels natural, like let me get in here

(01:08:59):
and this is it I feel like doing at the time. Yeah,
for real, man, And you've always been consistent with that too,
always been consistent with that. I remember when I came
with my first album and I like you. He was like, Norman,
you've got one got one time to put your first record.
You need to do this and that over again. I
was mad, but I went back and you did, man,
and I appreciate you for that. And I remember that

(01:09:19):
ship like yesterday you called me, was like, I got
ten songs, I'm ready. I'm like, norm, hold on, you're
gonna do ten songs three times before you're gonna do
ten songs five times. You're gonna have fifty of the
motherfucker's before and then you called me back. Remember what
you said? He was like, yeah, crawf right, because I
don't even like that other ship. I did something. I'm like,
you should hear this new ship, and I'm like, damn,
nor got some ship. Yeah I did, man. You know what,

(01:09:42):
that's one of my biggest regrets. Dogs. I think when
you're younger, you're getting the race for time, especially when
you start hitting that twenty nine thirty year old mark.
You get this kind of like thinking that I need
to put this out before I get you old, because
you know hip hop, man, it's a young man's game.
It is. But now you've got brothers like Hole he
fifty something, he's still out there tearing down microphone. You

(01:10:05):
got the Whoop Tang class. They're still putting up music
and you know some of them acting. I think it
comes to a thing. Man, when you get older, you
start expressing your creativity in different ways that because you
the growth. Yeah, it's growth. It's like it's like I
don't have no desire now to put out no records
or nothing like that. Dude, I think this is my
thing right now, like creating content. No, that's and you

(01:10:26):
you're smashing this ship. No, I'm like, I tell everybody,
man still got this ship cracking. But to me, no,
let me let me just say this, or I ask
you a question, like I understand why people retire in sports.
So they want them to retire because your reflex is
your quick twitch muscles and ship like that. You can lose,
you know, you lose mobility, you get injured. You can

(01:10:48):
fund yourself up in the in the music game, or
or or the hip hop game, or any genre of music. Like,
why do we have to retire because season now I'm
gonna even say, oh that we veterans. My throat didn't
get like, I still I speak well. I feel like
I'm intell intelligent enough to make songs. I can do this.

(01:11:11):
I can still create. So I ain't gotta go out
here and jump or slam dunk or run no motherfucking
uh for two in the forty or do whatever the
fuck you know what I'm saying. So why do they
put this label on us? It's hip hop? Like we
got to do that. I know the attention span and
the lifespan of some of the hip hop ship is short,
but you look at that bands like the Stones or

(01:11:33):
Chicago and motherfucker's love them. Bro, even answer it for
you Cross right now. You know what I believe it is, Bro.
I think it's something that within our people, our culture, right,
Black people don't respect um. I'm trying to find the
right word. They don't respect maturity almost because if you

(01:11:53):
look at the average brother today that's online. You know,
some of these guys online, these dudes anywhere from forty
five years old acting like little kids. They acting like
the nineteen eighteen year olds, um and and I almost
think that's an insult to the younger generation because some
of these people is more immature than my five year

(01:12:15):
old niece. You know what I'm saying. They have like
they act like on the level they almost like borderline.
If you looked at him, you would say, Man, are
these people retarded? Because that's just what they do. You've
got a lot of people and I think us as
Black people, man had always come back to the Willie
Link stuff. We hate to see We hate to see
the next man shine rather than applaud, you know, rather
than applaud because theoretically, I think the older people get,

(01:12:39):
the better they bars get. They've seen more, they've been
around the world, you know, they've got more experience. So
I think that's why. Now you can probably hear some
of jay Z's best music. You hear some of what's
that kid's name? Being the kid? But he older dude, Man,
I think he was signed to brock Nation. Man, that
dude is a beast. Though I can't think of his name.
He only put out one album. But that dude is

(01:13:02):
in his fifties. Man, he row looking sugar free, sugar
free Damn Nick sugar Freed almost got a resurgence going
now and sugar free in his fifties and he's nasty. Man.
To me, it should always be about your music, man,
you know, change change as that. If he ain't in

(01:13:23):
his fifties, he's up there, And I think, man, what
it is is that you just got to create a
character like Snoop Dogg is probably the biggest rapper of
all time brand wise. You know everybody knows Snoopy Snoop
ain't no Spring Chicken. But he's going forever being able
to go on stage and make music. I think because
he's always stayed in character. I think that's all you
gotta do is just stay in your character. Too short.

(01:13:44):
I was listening to too short when I was sixteen
and seventeen years old, too short still making the same
music and might wrong to have a hit record on
yours and short dog is dope, man, it's forty is
the same way we was on the road with him
when he was going out man and watching uh forty
and short man like sing their songs and the whole
crowd responding no word for word. And then I'm sitting

(01:14:07):
up here looking at the forty his features and ship
like he got all this ship at the time, and
ship and all that. But then he jumped on the
ship with I don't funk with you, like all this
new ship, and it's like he touching both both worlds.
You know what I'm saying. The same thing was Short
when he was doing the ship, but you know what
he was doing, the collaborations and the features and ship
like people funk with him like just off the rip, bro,

(01:14:30):
Like it's crazy how they gravitate towards them dudes. Man, Well,
I think what's happening now man, that you're getting the
resurgence because you've got a lot of younger kids, the
casts in their twenties, five years old, twenty six, They
grew up listening to that that they grew up. So
now they've got an opportunity to collab with one of
their favorite artists. And I think that's how I was going.

(01:14:51):
Because Forty Steele got barrows. You can't tell me he
forty can't wrap no more because he years old or
whatever's the time. I don't at that ship bro and
a voice ain't slow down. My throat still good, And
I think it should be a personal choice, man, because
I still right wraps for a lot of people. I don't.

(01:15:12):
You know. Of course, I can't just put it out
there and say what else necessarily because you gotta keep
stuff on the low. But I write a lot of stuff,
and I'll actually write my dopest stuff. It's like because
I've been more places of sound, experience more things, and
I'm talking from a place of what I know versus
when I was you know, when I was broke, I
was talking about having money I've never seen. And now

(01:15:33):
get a little bit me. You didn't went to Japan
and ship together. You haven't been on the other side
of the motherfucking O. For sure, have experienced some things
that's gonna stay over thein't Japan? You know what I'm saying,
don't talk about this ship. Nor we don't need to
talk about dog. Some stuff we don't need to talk about.
But I know Japan. The thing about Japan, man, is
they treat you like you a guy over there. We

(01:15:55):
went over there, man, they was treating Crawford like Crawford
was getting treated like a king over there. Crazy and
they like the second album I did. It was like
really like one of the big albums over there that
they funk with, and I appreciate it. I'm ready to
go back now when you're already bro in China. You
know China as well. China got some ship too, o
for sure. But one of the things I'm gonna start doing, Bro,

(01:16:16):
we gonna start doing over here digital Soapbox is we
gotta streaming network coming to twenty four hour music channel
that's coming out like um, I think we launched in September,
late September, early October. One of the things we're doing,
it's gonna be kind of like MTV was, but it's
gonna be all hip hop, all hip hop and rap.
You know, we gonna be showing our podcasts on that.
We got original series we're doing. But one of the

(01:16:38):
things that I am bringing back, man, is we gonna
start shooting music videos to classic classic songs. We actually
go go get artists, and we got a couple of
people that's re recording classic albums like, um, we got
eight He's gonna re record straight Up Menace, you know
the album. He's gonna record the album. And Uh. One
of the things we talked about doing was like taking

(01:17:00):
a song like growing Up in the Hood that's a
classic and putting scarface on there and shooting a whole
new video for it and just bringing it to this
whole new generation because a classic is gonna always be
a classic. You don't matter time with this, bro, It's
gonna always be climates. And one of the things I
always gonna holid at you about is doing redoing one
of your classic albums. That's easy, the same music, doing
a thing, but just getting different features on their different look.

(01:17:23):
You know what I'm saying. I think that would be dope. Man.
That's easy to do because I got my own masses,
you know, on the ship, So you know that's what
I want to do. When you do that, I want
to be the anchor on the on the video ship,
you know. MTV used to have I forgot my man name.
Used to be the anchor. He used to be on
everything and be like this is the videos and tune in.
Sure I got you his anchor on there. I've been

(01:17:43):
telling you everything I'll do. You included in on bro man,
let's rock. You know what I'm saying. And I appreciate
you coming down and sit down will be the day dog.
Y'all don't know this interview don't been a long time
in the making. But Crawford really was a big busy guy.
He's a busy got got a lot of business is
going on. We got a car dealership, different stuff like that. Man,

(01:18:04):
a lot of stuff going on. So y'all be on
the lookout, man, because I'm gonna you know, he like
to lock nest monster. He only come out of the
water every few years. But I'm just trying to pull
them out a little bit more. Yeah, I'm gonna come
out a little bit more. And I'm working with me,
no family, my loved ones. I can come out and
be safe, you know, man, Yeah, for sure, And um,
I know you don't got no social media channel, so
I guess when people see you, they gets running to you.

(01:18:26):
For sure. I haven't got no social media to give
you off of my guy, y'all. Just so I don't know,
y'all get out of my guests on the gangs of
chronicles page or whatever. Relate the message, just good messages,
and I relate the message. Man. So is it anything
out there that, man, that you want to lead to
the people? Man before we jump up off of here, man, Man, honestly, bro,

(01:18:46):
I just I like to hear new ship. I like
to hear a new vision, a new direction of ship.
So what I want to say to just just this
ship right here, man. Far as like the music in
the streets, and I'm starting to notice that the streets
and more tied into the music now, and it's more like,

(01:19:09):
you know, like I hear the term that they're using.
It's not our term, but the gang gang. You've heard
them say that ship, you gang gang, Like we don't
say that ship out here, and it's not not no
knock on it or whatever. But we used to hit
niggas up like, hey, where you froming? You bang? You
you bang? Are you gang? That same ship? Whatever? But
I'm starting to see a lot of that ship is

(01:19:31):
entwined into the culture. Man, And It's just one of
those things to where you gotta really, to me, be
about that ship and know what you're doing before you
start doing all this ship bro. And if you're not
really about that, like, you don't need the funk with
that to be up. You got dudes like um like
uhn J Cole. That's to me like a cool niggas

(01:19:54):
that wrap their ass off. That's doing very well without saying, Hey,
I'm from blank blank blank A care I'm affiliated with this.
You got dudes that's that's in the ship, like the
homie from from the neighborhood, but here about that ship,
y g that's that's the homie, say from the same
neighborhood or whatever, but he about that ship. Those are

(01:20:14):
two different artists on two different paths. But you could
tell that this dude is about the ship because that's
what he talked about. J. Cole is about that ship
and that's what we talked about. So to me, I
want dudes to find a lane. I wish they would
find a lane. Don't just talk about the same ship.
How many times we're gonna be in the street, how
many times we're gonna do this, how many times I

(01:20:35):
want to hear some new ship. I want to hear
some ship like when Wu Tang came out and it
was just like a crewe motherfucker's doing something different. They
took the karate ship and made a whole motherfucking career
out exactly. That's what I'm looking for. What I'm saying.
You know what's funny about you saying that I was
telling somebody. The other thing is when do we go
get another bone thug, you know, just somebody to come

(01:20:59):
out with something that's so different. I'm waiting on that
ship now, That's what I'm like. So that's like I'm
gonna close with kind of with that ship. And I'm
really surprised at how And it's no not because a
nigga from where he fund we did the whole street
ship or whatever, like you said, we don't grow man
and business ship now, but I'm surprised at how like

(01:21:24):
they're making this this street ship so like acceptable and
it's cool and this and that, and it's just so
like to me, it's kind of like water down or sugarcoated,
like just like the gang ship like that's and then
it reaches out of out of California like I don't.
I don't want that ship to be out in the South.

(01:21:45):
I don't want that ship to be on the East Coast,
and I don't want that shipped to be you get
what I'm saying. No, don't get me wrong, because it's
my fucker's that then put it on the line. It's reputable,
reputable motherfucker's in every city restate. But it's just a
certain way that you carry let their own way. Like
when I go down to New Orleans, I don't want

(01:22:07):
to see no crips and bloods down. I want them
doing their stuff and calling us whoa and doing their thing.
What I'm saying, because that's the coach or let me
get some of that culture. Let me get some of that.
The East Coast, let me get some of that, you
know what I'm saying. That the the up North ship,
let me get some of that that Chicago, let me
get you know what I'm saying. It's like, but we
can do that ship without being you know, funked up

(01:22:28):
towards each other, turning up on each other or whatever,
because the Nigga is still then touched all these different cities.
And like I said before, but like we talked about
at the death Row Ship. The real nigga recognized. The
real nigga we pull up in any hood. We ain't
coming to disrespect, and we ain't coming to say all
we in your hood, this and this and that. We
come with respect. So when you come out here, you're

(01:22:49):
gonna get the same respect from us. You get what
I'm saying. But we want to go to Chicago and
get the Herald's chicken. We want to go to uh
to uh St. Louis and ship and go into into
the Pink Slip. The pink slip, I heard clothes down.
That's a stress. I don't the real nigga know what
I'm talking about. But you know what I'm saying. You
want to go over there and get your your experiences.
Like you said, you want to go to the quarters

(01:23:10):
and get you some Benyat's. And you know what I'm saying.
You want to keep you want to keep the coachure authentic.
It's like, you know, the crypton blood and stuff is
a West Coast thing. And not to say that the
brothers in Kansas City, because they're doing it. They've been
doing it since the eighties. Now at this point, you know,
you know they've been banging out there for thirty or
forty years now, and I think what happened was the

(01:23:31):
old dope routes. They kind of went out there and
they brought their coature out there, the different people and
that kind of just still the test of time and
stayed out there. But I hope people stay authentic to
what their culture real. And I think that's what you're saying.
That's exactly what I'm saying, bro, because I'm honestly norm
I'm the nigger that was in content. But I listened

(01:23:51):
to a lot of hip hop from from fucking um
KRS one two UM, I mean everybody, bro, like uh
j Ice, I mean dudes that's back in the day
g rap I listened to all that ship. Bro. I
was one of them to Slick Rick all the ship
that was kind of like the master aththing. I mean

(01:24:13):
a lot of New York. I was influenced by a
lot of the East Coast ship honestly, Bro. And it
was like to meet them dudes was just dope and
how they create ship. My nigga j Ruda Dammager and
that was one of your biggest New York was one
of your biggest York for sure, man, they funked with me. Man.
And it's it's funny like when I see a couple

(01:24:33):
of dudes, Like sometimes I run into method Man and
he would be like high seat, you know, Like we'll
be like yeah and he's like oh yeah, like he
give me that, Like uh, like I heard you, you know,
like the nod and ship. So I'm like, you know,
we was listening to their ship. We was influenced by it.
Now it seem like it's just the l A ship
is like touching everybody for us? Is you know the

(01:24:54):
street culture ship man? And I just I'm just looking
at it, like, bro, if that's not really you lead
that ship along, Let the real nicks do that. There's
other ways to get your bread. You know what, Before
you go, I'm gonna ask you this question, Bro. You
can answer it whether you want to or not. What
do you think about the whole thing where cats, certain
cats is going online trying to expose cats for snitching

(01:25:15):
and all that type of stuff. Man, you think that's dangerous? Man,
then who ship we gotta hold? Look, it's a whole
another motherfucking five guy. But it's like to me, I'm
gonna say it like this like the old people used
to tell us, if you can't do the time, don't
do the crime. So if you're getting out here fucking
around and you know some ship, don't look at what

(01:25:36):
you're gonna gain or what you're about to win. Look
at what you jeopardize. And then you're about to leave
your kids behind? Are you about to leave somebody behind
or your son behind or whoever the fuck because you
got in this moment, or you got in your feelings
or you wanted to try some dumb ship or some
stupid ship, think about what you're gonna lose before you
think about what you're gonna gain or what you're about

(01:25:57):
to do, and turn up. And I'm saying that to
say it won't put you in a position to where
you have to get down on somebody or you have
to snitch on somebody, because you know how to go.
When they started saying, oh, well, hey you're looking at
are you looking at thirty? And most mothercker's like thirty?
I can't do thirty? So such as such, did Black

(01:26:20):
Black Blake x y Z. You know what I'm saying.
When they started hitting them with the big jersey numbers,
this ship, the oh you got you looking at fifteen,
but the real motherfucker's nor Hey you're looking at twenty.
Come on with it, Come on, that's that's the way
to be. But but what do you think as far
as cats going online and actually pointing people out. Man,

(01:26:45):
it's a tricky situation because you pointed. But look at
what you just said, right, you point the nick out
for snitching. But what you're doing when you're pointing the
figure you snitched on the snitch. Because what I was
always told bro, you know uncles man, they stayed in
the penitential and they told me this exactly. They said, Man,
if you go expose somebody, you gotta be willing either

(01:27:08):
handle your business or don't say nothing at all. It
was one of them things like handle your business that
don't say about So I feel I agree he right
about that, because if I'm saying this nigga snitching, I'm
snitching that he's snitching. Yeah for real. And if I
know he funked up, you know what, the best bet,
the best thing to do is my best bet, stay though,

(01:27:29):
fuck away from this knee Like I don't funk with
you affiliated like you can't call me as I'm just
yeah for real and there it is. And y'all be
on the lookout man, because Crowt don't say it to me.
You can't want to show. I got witnesses. We gotta.
We got a lot of people to listen to this man.
So y'all, I got witnesses. Now crossing when I hit
you up and say, hey, man, I got the shooting

(01:27:49):
schedule ready, we're about to do this thing. I want
to do something on the roadeum for sure. Man, Let's
do it big. Still. You know I love you, man.
You the only nigger that could put me out the
cut man and just make me come out. Man, whenever
you call them coming, you do. You put up the
best thing on me for shore. So y'all heard him,
and we out of here. Hell yeah,

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